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12 [00:08:43] <mrjpaxton> Question: How would I report an out of
date Debian package? (I'm also asking for Unstable in
#debian-next, but haven't gotten a response back yet.)
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16 [00:10:00] <Bushmills> "out of date" in buster?
17 [00:10:39] <saptech> mrjpaxton, just a thought. mailing list,
email the maintainer etc
18 [00:10:46] <dvs> mrjpaxton, raise a ticket for that package?
19 [00:10:57] <saptech> yea, bugzilla
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23 [00:13:47] <mrjpaxton> Okay. Yeah, it's for
telegram-desktop. There's quite a bit of features that are
unsupported. Thing is, I've tried out the Flatpak version of
it, but the problem is that it freezes when opening a file, so
I've filed a bug on Github for that one, too.
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28 [00:15:53] <saptech> check bugzilla, maybe a ticket has
already been done with ideas
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30 [00:17:01] <Bushmills> buster to sid all have same version of
telegram-desktop
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32 [00:18:12] <Bushmills> there's 1.7 which has been
uploaded to experimental - but don't hold your breath until
that trickles down
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35 [00:18:49] <Bushmills> (if it ever will)
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38 [00:19:57] <Bushmills> (means: not much use reporting that)
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43 [00:23:25] <mrjpaxton> Okay... Well I sent an E-mail to the
maintainer asking about it, anyway.
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319 [03:00:48] <kiwi_36> guys why am i getting "-bash:
cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on
device"?
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321 [03:01:33] <rant> kiwi_36: probably because you cannot create
a temp file for a heredoc because there is no space left on the
device
322 [03:02:02] <kiwi_36> rant: how can i figure out what's
using all this space?
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324 [03:03:16] <rant> kiwi_36: well, first check the output of df
-Th and verify.. chances are your rootfs is full
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327 [03:03:56] <kiwi_36> rant: it says /dev/vda1 is 100%
328 [03:04:13] <rant> kiwi_36: and that is the rootfs?
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330 [03:04:20] <kiwi_36> yeah
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332 [03:04:39] <kiwi_36> i.e. "/"
333 [03:04:48] <rant> kiwi_36: and do you have other filesystems
like /var or /usr?
334 [03:06:19] <rant> kiwi_36: what is the size of this
filesystem?
335 [03:06:39] <kiwi_36> it says /usr is 11GB, and /var is 27GB
336 [03:06:40] <kiwi_36> even though / is 12GB
337 [03:07:10] <kiwi_36> should be 12GB
338 [03:07:32] <kiwi_36> rant: oh let me restate that, i think
/var is actually 5G
339 [03:07:40] <rant> I am not sure if you answered my questions
or not
340 [03:07:52] <kiwi_36> i ran it a second time with "sudo
du -sh /var", and that gave me 27G
341 [03:07:53] <rant> I am asking you if everything is all on the
rootfs or if you have seperate filesystems
342 [03:08:40] <kiwi_36> rant: everything is in vda1 (part /)
343 [03:08:54] <rant> normally I'd recommend ncdu or baobab
but I can't do that in this case cause your fs is already full
and you can't install anything
344 [03:08:54] <kiwi_36> (not totally sure what you're
asking)
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346 [03:09:26] <rant> I am trying to gather the nature of your
situation..
347 [03:09:42] <kiwi_36> rant: yeah i get "no space left on
device" when i try to install ncdu
348 [03:09:45] <rant> it is possible to make other filesystems
and mount them onto the rootfs
349 [03:10:08] <wuseman> Maybe you can wipe /home/user/.cache or
/tmp to get some freespace
350 [03:10:12] <rant> if for example you had a vda2 mounted on
/var then the size of /var is irrelevant to the rootfs being full
cause /var isn't part of the rootfs
351 [03:10:21] <themill> kiwi_36: do you have a separate /home
too there?
352 [03:10:40] <rant> we cant know what to investigate if we
don't know what all is on the rootfs and what its overall size
is
353 [03:10:49] <themill> (a pastebin of "df -h" would
be useful to see)
354 [03:11:17] <rant> if "everything" is on rootfs and
its only 12GB you quite simply need to redo the whole system.. cause
you just simply did not allocate enough space
355 [03:11:25] <kiwi_36> i have a "debian" user in
/home
356 [03:11:29] <kiwi_36> 3.2G
357 [03:11:52] <themill> kiwi_36: no-one is asking about du, it
would be better to see "df -h"
358 [03:12:00] <rant> kiwi_36: df -Th | nc termbin.com 9999
359 [03:12:53] <kiwi_36>
replaced-url
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361 [03:13:29] <themill> that is not at all consistent with the
info you previously provided
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363 [03:14:06] <rant> kiwi_36: you simply do not have enough
space on this system.. check /var/cache
364 [03:14:27] <kiwi_36> sorry my filesystem knowledge is very
basic, it's a bit confusing
365 [03:14:48] <rant> kiwi_36: is this a desktop system with a
GUI?
366 [03:14:58] <kiwi_36> rant: nope, it's an openstack
instance
367 [03:15:10] <rant> ah..
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370 [03:17:14] <rant> well that changes things a bit.. a desktop
install would take 3-6GB and need twice that just to have enough
space to do a dist-upgrade. but for a basic server type system or
something for a specific purpose you can probably get away with a
12GB rootfs
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372 [03:18:16] <rant> kiwi_36: we do still have problems with the
info you've provided, /usr cannot be 11GB and /var 5GB if they
are both on the rootfs which is only 12GB
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375 [03:18:40] <kiwi_36> yeah i think i maybe was using the wrong
command to get those values
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377 [03:18:48] <rant> and /usr should not be 11GB nearly 100% of
the rootfs on its own if you have no X or Desktop Environment
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379 [03:19:52] <themill> .o0( looking at different machines,
perhaps )
380 [03:20:19] <kiwi_36> definitely ran those commands on my vm
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382 [03:20:29] <kiwi_36> does du -sh give directory size?
383 [03:20:40] <rant> yeah, I'm not familiar with what
exactly openstack is.. there are so damn many similar technologies
now I'm not very familiar with them
384 [03:20:51] <rant> but does seem like you're confusing
output
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389 [03:22:25] <kiwi_36> ok let me update my values: ~ = 3.2G,
/var = 5.5G, /usr = 1.5G
390 [03:22:31] <kiwi_36> these are du -sh values
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394 [03:25:01] <Church-> So question, do I need to use apt-daily
or can I just set a cron/timer to call unattended-upgrades at a
certain time? And secondally is there an easy way to validate
it's completed running?
395 [03:25:53] <rant> kiwi_36: do you have the nc command?
netcat?
396 [03:26:21] <kiwi_36> rant: not installed unfortunately
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398 [03:26:27] <kiwi_36> maybe i can free up some space
399 [03:26:53] <rant> kiwi_36: thats ok, do you have sudo
configured to allow you to run commands as root?
400 [03:27:00] <kiwi_36> yeah
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402 [03:27:18] <rant> kiwi_36: do you have to type a password
each time?
403 [03:27:38] <kiwi_36> nope, using ssh
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406 [03:27:57] <rant> for i in /*/; do sudo du -sh
"$i"; done
407 [03:28:08] <rant> paste that on paste.debian.net
408 [03:28:40] <rant> if you have to type the password each time
you run sudo, you'll need to sudo -v first to avoide typing
your password on each iteration of the loop
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411 [03:30:40] <rant> kiwi_36: /var/ and ~/ seem to be where your
disk space are, which is common
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413 [03:31:01] <kiwi_36> rant:
replaced-url
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416 [03:31:44] <rant> kiwi_36: what is this vm used for?
417 [03:31:56] <kiwi_36> running a small chat application
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419 [03:32:01] <kiwi_36> but it makes daily backups
420 [03:32:13] <rant> kiwi_36: do /home/ ?
421 [03:32:23] <rant> kiwi_36: erm, to /home ? the backups?
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423 [03:32:49] <kiwi_36> yeah to /home, but i cleaned up my
backups directory a week or so ago, so now it's very small
424 [03:33:00] <rant> cause I see no reason for the 3GB or more
on /home, thats a bit ridiculous.. but if you're backing up
there, that makes sense
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426 [03:33:18] <kiwi_36> rant: ~/backups is 300M
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429 [03:33:55] <rant> kiwi_36: well then that is one problem, you
got something possibly logs that are insanely huge in /home/
430 [03:34:05] <rant> kiwi_36: sudo du -sh /var/*/ should narrow
down the other issue
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433 [03:35:05] <rant> sounds to me like this small chat
application is buggy or misconfigured cause no "small
application" should've ran away and filled a 12GB volume
434 [03:36:04] <kiwi_36> yeah i properly need to comb through
each directory and see what's taking up all this space
435 [03:36:35] <rant> you got about 2.5GB in /home/ unaccounted
for and /var is probably 4-5GB larger than it should be
436 [03:37:18] <rant> I'd check /var/cache, /var/cache/apt/,
and /var/log/ first
437 [03:37:29] <rant> downloaded packages sit in
/var/cache/apt/archives
438 [03:37:51] <rant> they aren't needed and can be removed
manually or with an apt clean or apt-get clean
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440 [03:38:33] <kiwi_36> rant: ah.....
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442 [03:38:38] <kiwi_36> lol /var/log is 5.2G
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444 [03:38:40] <rant> I have a full desktop install and my entire
/var is only 1.7GB
445 [03:39:01] <rant> yes you have a buggy or misconfigured piece
of software that filled your system with logs it would seem
446 [03:39:15] <kiwi_36> i remember now, i found this last week,
totally forgot about /var/log
447 [03:39:18] <abrotman> or an actual problem being logged
448 [03:39:24] <kiwi_36> can i remove /var/log?
449 [03:39:28] <kiwi_36> or clear it?
450 [03:39:30] <rant> abrotman: out of space on / :D
451 [03:40:10] <rant> kiwi_36: you /can/ but as abrotman says,
you might want to figure out what the problem was that something
felt the need to log 5GB worth of info on
452 [03:40:28] <rant> to do that, you gotta have a look at the
logs
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456 [03:43:45] <kiwi_36> rant: doing that now, seems like
it's an error with my application
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458 [03:44:17] <kiwi_36> but at least i know what's causing
all my space to be used up, so thanks for helping me figure that out
;)
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568 [04:55:04] <jim> SerajewelKS, hi... are you around?
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573 [04:58:33] <rant> jim: my buffer shows you were conversating
around this time yesterday and were told that they are a sysadmin on
east coast, and would most likely be active during normal business
hours.. this however is not a social channel, if you have an issue
you can just ask a question and keep personal contact in personal
messages or social channels
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576 [04:59:05] <rant> its 11pm on the east coast, its not during
normal business hours
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578 [04:59:31] <rant> its during the time people working normal
hours would be asleep or heading to bed
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591 [05:07:10] <jim> rant, ok. I am given to understand that some
sound card hardware has those 3.5mm sockets that flip a bit
somewhere when something's connected to them... I'm
looking to find out how to read those bits
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594 [05:08:08] <rant> jim: well the jack is physically a switch..
the part that connects to the tip of the jack is pushed back when
its inserted and when that happens it moves off one contact onto
another
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597 [05:08:40] <rant> jim: so it's not like its a software
thing you can control.. its a physical switch
598 [05:08:52] <jim> understood. can the driver read that?
599 [05:09:10] <jim> I didn't ask to control it, just to
read it
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601 [05:09:30] <k_sze> Is it possible that the version of
binutils in Debian Buster is still affected by this bug?
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602 [05:09:45] <rant> hmm.. well I suppose it could, but I guess
it would depend on the hardware
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604 [05:10:33] <rant> cause on some machines jacks are also
multi-function.. my laptop only has one.. and its both input and
output.. but doesn't switch between the two, it just supports
jacks with 3 and 4 contacts
605 [05:10:55] <rant> i.e. can't be just a microphone port..
has to be a headset with mic
606 [05:12:18] <jim> so, the #alsa folks have a script that
collects data about the system it's run on, including those
bits... when I present the output of that script on a pastebin, some
folks were able to read that listing and determine where I had my
headphone plug connected
607 [05:12:32] <jim> so it's not just a theory, it's
fact
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609 [05:13:32] <rant> yes, things like the alsa utils show if
something is plugged in on most hardware so I guess its doable
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611 [05:15:19] <rant> jim: bottom line for here is, this is not a
debian support question.. its kernel/alsa development related.. if
you have a legit concern, try lkml, or alsa channels
612 [05:15:36] <jim> SerajewelKS has demonstrated pretty
extensive knowledge about the sound driver, and has been helping me
get through this
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614 [05:16:13] <rant> yeah well, you can't use this channel
for that.. if someone /wanted/ to make themselves available to milk
their knowledge they'd give you a means to do so..
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618 [05:16:43] <rant> for more in depth development type things
you serve yourself and everyone else best if you use a development
channel or mailing list
619 [05:16:55] <rant> more detailed stuff is much better done on
mailing lists anyhow
620 [05:16:56] <jim> you were not part of that conversation, so I
guess you don't have that information
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623 [05:17:19] <rant> I have the most recent stuff.. I dont keep
logs but I have a buffer, and saw the last night's conversation
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625 [05:17:40] <rant> and the channel /is/ pubilically logged if
need be
626 [05:17:47] <rant> dpkg, logs?
627 [05:17:47] <dpkg> Logs are what you should always check when
you have a problem, they live in /var/log/ . For #debian logs, ask
me about <irclog>.
628 [05:17:55] <rant> dpkg, irclog?
629 [05:17:55] <dpkg> from memory, irclog is #debian on
<freenode> is logged at
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630 [05:18:51] <rant> thats my point, things where anyone would
have to have seen old convo and use extensive knowledge is beyond
the scope of this channel
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633 [05:20:21] <jim> maybe you should just /ignore me and
you'll never be bothered with this again
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637 [05:23:35] <jim> I'm getting support for software that
is distributed by debian, so in my view it's legit
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655 [05:37:49] <rant> yes, I know you view it that way, and
I'm trying to tell you its not helping you or anyone else.
I've been here decades and never ignored anyone, I'm not
gonna start now. Folks sit here expecting when they see activity in
this channel for it to be a question they can weigh in on.. so
having things outside the scope not only lessens the ability to
support more apropo questions, but its not getting you the
656 [05:37:55] <rant> help you need and in a timely fashion
657 [05:38:08] <rant> mailing lists are surprisingly quick in
response and reach a wider more advanced audience..
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659 [05:40:01] <rant>
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660 [05:40:40] <rant> your line of questioning is
hardware/kernel/alsa related, it is not debian user related in even
the most remote sense as you asked no question related to debian use
of such things
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686 [05:59:16] <petn-randall> rant: If they run Debian, users are
free to ask whatever they want about their system in this channel.
This includes the Linux kernel and alsa stack provided by Debian.
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690 [06:00:59] <rant> I am not questioning their freedom to do
so, I am saying that trying to milk individual users via this
channel even when they're not active and not asking specific
questions but wanting to carry on in depth development debates are
better suited for other means
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692 [06:03:13] <jim> all I said was "are you here"
693 [06:03:40] <jim> what is it you're trying to protect?
694 [06:03:45] <rant> I'm not trying to argue here..
I'm just trying to tell you how to get better served without
developing potentially disruptive habits
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697 [06:04:22] <rant> you could've sent a private message
for that, and you can contact developers who can carry on the kinds
of detailed conversations you are looking for
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699 [06:04:43] <rant> most of them prefer to do so on mailing
lists at their leisure
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701 [06:05:08] <ZaZaGX> hello
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704 [06:06:10] <jim> I'd advance that (a) my habits are my
business, and (b) habits that have not formed yet are vaporware.
having said that, thanks for suggesting ways that would better serve
me
705 [06:06:13] <nefsation> hi there
706 [06:06:23] <jim> ZaZaGX, hi
707 [06:06:36] <ZaZaGX> i just got the debian 10 to work on my
laptop
708 [06:06:41] <jim> nefsation, hi too
709 [06:06:50] <ZaZaGX> it took like gave up like 3 times lol
710 [06:06:53] <jim> ZaZaGX, works good?
711 [06:07:01] <nefsation> im having some trouble after upgrading
my home server to buster
712 [06:07:25] <nefsation> ill be really happy if someone points
me in the right direction
713 [06:07:35] <jim> nefsation, ok, tell us (in some detail) what
the trouble is
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715 [06:07:52] <nefsation> 0k
716 [06:08:19] <nefsation> i had owncloud running very well until
updated the server
717 [06:08:33] <jim> "some trouble", so multiple
issues?
718 [06:08:44] <nefsation> now occ tells me that php7.3 isnt
supported for this usage
719 [06:09:12] <nefsation> i tried many ways to downgrade all php
packages but no luck
720 [06:09:32] <nefsation> @jim yeah, kind of
721 [06:09:41] <jim> nefsation, just to make sure... you're
not coding in php... are you?
722 [06:09:48] <nefsation> nope
723 [06:10:02] <nefsation> just running deluge web and owncloud
724 [06:10:14] <jim> ok, so you just want the thing to work, no
matter which php is installed
725 [06:10:20] <nefsation> yeah
726 [06:10:23] <ZaZaGX> yeah, it works better than Ubuntu 19.04
727 [06:10:34] <ZaZaGX> its more faster and stable
728 [06:11:08] <jim> ZaZaGX, I happened to notice it runs faster,
after installing both
729 [06:11:10] <nefsation> but the thing is, cant install any
other version correctly but 7.3
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731 [06:12:04] <nefsation> i chose fedora for my laptop, cinnamon
desktop works great
732 [06:12:10] <jim> hmm. what I'm wondering is why
it's claiming that 7.3 is not supported "for this
usage"
733 [06:12:40] <nefsation> owncloud doesnt support any php
version above 7.2
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735 [06:13:19] <jim> ohh, it's owncloud that doesn't
support 7.3?
736 [06:13:26] <nefsation> ill be afk for a minute, brb
737 [06:13:28] <nefsation> yeah
738 [06:13:48] <nefsation> cant downgrade packages
739 [06:14:04] <jim> ok... do you have a backup?
740 [06:14:05] <ZaZaGX> jim, oh yeah. well, i have used Ubuntu
for years now. it seems like Debian did a good job with buster
release
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743 [06:15:51] <nefsation> i can make one for the db, thats the
unwanted option
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745 [06:16:45] <jim> nefsation, so you see that's a
conflict... debian won't let you downgrade while owncloud
won't let you upgrade... I'd say that (while debian has
many positive attributes) debian is presently not a good choice for
this particular application
746 [06:18:06] <jim> it's unfortunate that you don't
have a complete filesystem backup, maybe if you did, you could
restore from it
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748 [06:19:35] <jim> nefsation, or rather, it's either
debian that's not appropriate, or it's owncloud
that's not appropriate... your choice :)
749 [06:20:08] <nefsation_> well
750 [06:20:19] <nefsation_> everything went well untill update
751 [06:20:47] <nefsation_> so in my opinion its me the one
conflicting with themself
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753 [06:21:06] <jim> I'll also note in passing that php has
a history of not being developed in a stable way... also a history
of invalidating millions of lines of code on a periodic basis
754 [06:21:28] <nefsation_> so im not the first
755 [06:21:33] <nefsation_> hahaha
756 [06:21:37] <jim> no, of course not
757 [06:23:06] <nefsation_> ill laugh because irony
758 [06:23:33] <jim> (in comparison, other languages are not so
unstable, including in their development... in particular an old
language, TCL, has developers that are extremely careful to not
invalidate any code
759 [06:23:51] <nefsation_> mmmm
760 [06:24:03] <jim> and they've been very successful at it.
so php and tgheir developers don't have an excuse for this
761 [06:24:17] <nefsation_> is there any other option? like other
private cloud solution
762 [06:24:17] <Deihmos> is there a way to get the network
connection speed on a headless debian server?
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764 [06:24:43] <Deihmos> on windows i can see if i cam connected
100 Mbps or 1Gbps. Is there a way to see it on debian?
765 [06:24:50] <Deihmos> couldn't find anything online
766 [06:25:04] <jim> I guess you'd have to measure the speed
of a known-size file transfer?
767 [06:25:12] <nefsation_> <Deihmos> you mean negotiated
bit rate?
768 [06:26:09] <nefsation_> use ethtool
769 [06:26:29] <BazookaTooth> Deihmos: iftop, slurm, darkstat,
plenty of others i am forgetting
770 [06:27:19] <BazookaTooth> the actuall connection would be
something else. hence nefsation_'s question
771 [06:27:22] <nefsation_> <BazookaTooth> ntop iftop and
others, but ethtool does exactly that
772 [06:27:32] <Deihmos> ok. I guess there isn't anything
that is already built in
773 [06:28:02] <BazookaTooth> nefsation_: you had already
mentioned it tho :)
774 [06:28:02] <nefsation_> youre an apt command away from
getting that package
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776 [06:28:22] <rant> <nefsation_> doing this will lead
people to think you are quoting them
777 [06:28:39] <nefsation_> rant sorry
778 [06:28:51] <nefsation_> im not used to irc yet
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780 [06:29:13] <rant> nefsation_: no worries, just letting you
know.. highlighting is best done with the nick at the beginning of
the line without the < and with a single delimiter like a , or :
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783 [06:29:40] <BazookaTooth> well arch had some clown using
colors earlier so.. no biggie
784 [06:29:46] <nefsation_> rant : thanks for the advice
785 [06:29:46] <jim> nefsation_, like this <----
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787 [06:30:02] <jim> with a comma or a colon
788 [06:30:25] <nefsation_> jim, its allways a pleasure to learn
789 [06:30:28] <BazookaTooth> gotta bring back that efnet mirc
look
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791 [06:30:46] <rant> nefsation_: most clients do it
automatically with tab completion, I just type ne and press tab and
it does it automatically for me
792 [06:31:23] <nefsation_> im using hexchat for the first time
in a long time
793 [06:31:32] <BazookaTooth> :)
794 [06:32:33] <nefsation_> well, anyone knows a good way to
backup files from db? mysql
795 [06:32:49] <rant> you should export them first
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797 [06:33:12] <Deihmos> anyone did a backup using acronis?
798 [06:33:38] <Deihmos> i normally use clonezilla but not being
able to mount an image isn't good
799 [06:33:41] <rant> I'm no SQL/DB expert but I do know
that you should always export the files first as I've worked on
situations where people just copied the files then tried using them
on a different db version and it didnt work
800 [06:33:57] <rant> exporting makes files capable of being
properly imported on other db versions
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803 [06:34:45] <rant> ,popcon acronis
804 [06:34:46] <judd> No package named 'acronis' was
found.
805 [06:35:14] <Deihmos> acronis true image. it can be used from
bood to create an image
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807 [06:37:48] <rant> Deihmos: yeah, not seeing anything like
that in debian.. you could make this relevant by asking something
like "How can I foo in Debian so I can bar and baz?"
808 [06:37:50] <nefsation_> rant, 0k ill read about it. Hence im
the only admin here i dont think it would be a problem. less than
1gb or so
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811 [06:39:03] <rant> nefsation_: yeah well I'm strongly
advising this.. there many other reasons I cant accurately
articulate why you want to export the DB and import it back rather
than just backup the files
812 [06:39:23] <nefsation_> well
813 [06:39:31] <rant> I can't because I'm not that
knowledgeable about DB as I avoid them whenever possible, I prefer
to use sqlite as its simpler :P
814 [06:39:36] <nefsation_> actually i just want the files back
815 [06:40:03] <nefsation_> saw phpmyadmin for that purpose
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818 [06:40:32] <rant> heh, I personally would never see adding
PHP into an equation as a simplification :P
819 [06:41:09] <nefsation_> i think i dont have that option at
this time
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825 [06:45:02] <kreyren> which package provides XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
on debian?
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827 [06:46:55] <nefsation_> just for the record. on debian 10,
adminer is the way to backup mysql db.
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830 [06:48:56] <jim> nefsation_, some dbs have a command that
reads everything in the database and produces an sql listing, which
when run on an empty database, loads the database with the earlier
content
831 [06:49:00] <kreyren> nwm it's debian-next issue with
openrc
832 [06:49:03] <alkisg> kreyren: systemd-logind?
833 [06:49:26] <kreyren> alkisg, nah systemd-pam apparently based
on
replaced-url
834 [06:49:31] <nefsation_> jim, ill look into it
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837 [06:51:15] <alkisg> kreyren: yeah, systemd-pam is part of
systemd-logind
838 [06:51:20] <jim> nefsation_, take a look at this:
replaced-url
839 [06:51:40] <kreyren> alkisg, i see what is the alternative
for openrc for this?
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841 [06:51:42] <kreyren> Consolekit2 ?
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843 [06:52:18] <alkisg> kreyren: no idea, I'm not using
openrc and I'm actually depending on systemd on all the
packages I'm writing from now on...
844 [06:52:33] <kreyren> ehw
845 [06:52:50] <alkisg> Having to care about 1000+ ways to do one
things, makes programmers unable to do simple tasks without spending
months
846 [06:53:42] <kreyren> doubt
847 [06:54:05] <kreyren> openrc makes it usually way easier
depending on the usecase :p
848 [06:54:07] <alkisg> See how much time you'll need to
make it work in your pc; then multiply 100 times, you'll see my
point :)
849 [06:54:25] <alkisg> Then also try to care about other init
systems too
850 [06:54:44] <kreyren> it works pretty might out of the box on
gentoo and exherbo.. it's complicated on debian since it's
using systemd partially
851 [06:54:58] <alkisg> That's because gentoo developers did
spend those months
852 [06:55:02] <kreyren> otherwise you just make the runscript
and leave it be xD no need to care about other 100 stuff
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854 [06:55:27] <kreyren> alkisg, gentoo developers are not
responsible for packaging you build it from source
855 [06:55:29] <alkisg> It's not just one runscript. How
about information like "who is logged in currently? is it safe
to unmount x user's sshfs home dir?"
856 [06:56:10] <alkisg> Anyways, it would take time to convince
you that supporting various init systems takes time :)
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858 [06:56:17] <alkisg> So I won't attempt it :)
859 [06:56:29] <nefsation_> i was afk for a sec and you all are
discussing about systemd and openrc?
860 [06:56:32] <nefsation_> nice
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865 [07:00:07] <kreyren> alkisg, > "who is logged in
currently? < -> afaik you have session manager for that, `is
it safe to unmount x user's sshfs home dir?"` - just use
umount lol?
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868 [07:00:53] <alkisg> kreyren: you're missing the point, I
mean "systemd has APIs that some programs need and may decide
to depend on them"; and I'll stop at that.
869 [07:01:06] <kreyren> w/e
870 [07:01:33] <kreyren> just make quality code and keep it
open-source and i'm gut
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883 [07:14:44] <jim> kreyren, if you ever feel like you'd
like a detailed overview on systemd, man systemd happens to be a
good read (I was surprised by this)
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891 [07:18:40] <ZaZaGX> hmm, not sure if this debian 10 laptop
better life is better than Ubuntu 19.04.. the debian 10 seems to
drain more power
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894 [07:20:01] <rant> yes well, some would say Ubuntu is an
ancient african word for "can't install/configure
debian" :P
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897 [07:20:40] <DerL> hey rant
898 [07:21:40] <ZaZaGX> i thought Ubuntu installs more easier lol
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900 [07:23:07] <DerL> ZaZaGX: supposed to be
901 [07:23:09] <DerL> not always
902 [07:23:44] <ZaZaGX> yeah, sometimes it might not work
903 [07:24:24] <DerL> ZaZaGX: try installing ubuntu beaver on a
15 yr old printer
904 [07:25:13] <DerL> debian has better chance of working- and
that'd be a strech ;)
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907 [07:25:32] <ZaZaGX> hmm,
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910 [07:27:50] <kreyren> jim, eh?
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922 [07:36:41] <kreyren> ,v consolekit2
923 [07:36:42] <judd> No package named 'consolekit2'
was found in amd64.
924 [07:36:47] <kreyren> hug!
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936 [07:55:21] <kreyren> How do you add `Release.gpg` i forget
937 [07:55:25] <kreyren> ;-;
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939 [07:56:55] <kreyren> W: GPG error:
replaced-url
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953 [08:07:00] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
954 [08:07:01] <dpkg> Yes, kreyren you are either online or you
are not...
replaced-url
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962 [08:11:40] <nefsation__> ping
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967 [08:17:38] <enri> ola amigos
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978 [08:25:52] <kreyren> ola
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986 [08:29:14] <joepublic> ola a todos.
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1025 [08:45:26] <jim> kreyren, not sure, but people might feel
devuan is different from debian, in ways they're not aware of,
so answers they might give would be guesses (and so not helpful to
you)
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1029 [08:47:31] * jim is not even sure how similar they are (or if
they're exactly the same, differing only in which sets of
packages are installed from debian's archive)
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1032 [08:47:59] * alkisg guesses they modify popular packages that
don't have sysvinit units, to manually include them
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1039 [08:49:58] <alkisg> Can anyone manage mksquashfs -regex to
exclude things under ^/proc/.*$ ? This works, but it also excludes
/other/dir/proc/.* ...
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1042 [08:50:48] <rant> !br
1043 [08:50:48] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês.
Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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1046 [08:53:05] <rant> devaun is different from debian in ways us
Americans are all too aware of.. it offers init freedom very much
the same way the US offers freedom.. you are free to use any init
system you want, except systemd :P
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1051 [08:56:35] <luna> Signed up as #1 for the Debian Day in
Stockholm
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1052 [08:57:13] <EoflaOE> luna: Nice
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1060 [09:04:53] <nefsation__> so
1061 [09:05:08] <nefsation__> idk if its interesting to you
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1064 [09:05:38] <nefsation__> but my owncloud files werent
encrypted
1065 [09:06:03] <nefsation__> im copying files to another folder
now
1066 [09:06:19] <nefsation__> anyone has used seafile?
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1082 [09:17:14] <rant> ,popcon seafile-daemon
1083 [09:17:15] <judd> Popcon data for seafile-daemon: inst: 521,
vote: 237, old: 221, recent: 63, nofiles: 0
1084 [09:17:30] <rant> ,popcon seafile-cli
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1086 [09:17:31] <judd> Popcon data for seafile-cli: inst: 177,
vote: 49, old: 107, recent: 21, nofiles: 0
1087 [09:17:35] <rant> ,popcon seafile-gui
1088 [09:17:36] <judd> Popcon data for seafile-gui: inst: 453,
vote: 207, old: 189, recent: 57, nofiles: 0
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1091 [09:18:02] <rant> nefsation__: yes, apparently folk have used
it
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1096 [09:19:22] <nefsation__> folk, can you tell me about your
experience? im looking for an owncloud replacement
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1099 [09:19:55] <nefsation__> (im not going to reinstall that
server no matter what)
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1104 [09:20:42] <rant>
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1107 [09:21:01] <rant> or other such things.. usage polls and
testimonials aren't really within the scope of this channel
1108 [09:21:46] <rant> you can either google and read reviews and
comparisons online, or perhaps go to a channel specific to such
software and ask questions about it
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1111 [09:23:05] <gggg> Hi there libcurl4 is causing an issue
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1113 [09:23:15] <gggg> virtualbox-5.2 : Depends: libcurl3 (>=
7.16.2) but it is not installable
1114 [09:23:15] <gggg> Recommends: linux-headers-generic but it is
not installable or
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1126 [09:25:49] <rant> gggg: you either need to get a package that
works, or use equivs to make a metapackage that satisfies the
dependency
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1128 [09:26:22] <rant> ,v virtualbox
1129 [09:26:23] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 --
jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib:
4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib:
5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.10-dfsg-2
1130 [09:26:49] <gggg> buster is my version
1131 [09:27:02] <rant> and where did you get the package you are
trying to install?
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1135 [09:27:13] <gggg>
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1136 [09:27:41] <gggg> I figured I could try the stretch package
1137 [09:27:52] <gggg> Is virt-manager the same as virtualbox?
1138 [09:28:13] <rant> no
1139 [09:28:16] <rant> ,i virt-manager
1140 [09:28:17] <judd> Package virt-manager (admin, optional) in
buster/amd64: desktop application for managing virtual machines.
Version: 1:2.0.0-3; Size: 884.9k; Installed: 6770k; Homepage:
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1141 [09:28:25] <rant> ,depends virt-manager
1142 [09:28:27] <judd> Package virt-manager in buster/amd64 --
depends: dconf-gsettings-backend | gsettings-backend, python3:any,
python3-gi, python3-gi-cairo, python3-dbus, python-requests,
librsvg2-common, python3-libvirt (>= 0.7.1),
gir1.2-libvirt-glib-1.0, gir1.2-gtk-vnc-2.0, gir1.2-gtk-3.0 (>=
3.10), gir1.2-vte-2.91, gir1.2-libosinfo-1.0, virtinst (>=
1:2.0.0-3).
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1144 [09:28:57] <gggg> thanks
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1146 [09:29:19] <rant> gggg: you can use the upstream package
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1149 [09:29:50] <gggg> of virt-manager?
1150 [09:29:53] <rant> gggg:
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1151 [09:30:00] <gggg> I've been told that a few times is
that safe?
1152 [09:30:09] <gggg> Mixing distros
1153 [09:30:13] <gggg> -Mixing packages
1154 [09:30:20] <alkisg> Ouch, no virtualbox in buster? Meh
1155 [09:30:42] <rant> virtualbox hasn't been included in
debian in quite awhile, but has been available as a backport
1156 [09:31:22] <rant> dpkg, why isn't virtualbox in buster?
1157 [09:31:23] <dpkg> rant: I'm not sure, is it larger than
a breadbox?
1158 [09:31:42] <gggg> lol
1159 [09:31:52] <rant> its a virtualbox, not a breadbox you silly
bot
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1161 [09:32:18] <rant> dpkg, why isn't virtualbox in testing
1162 [09:32:18] <dpkg> virtualbox is not in testing for the
reasons listed in
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1163 [09:33:59] <gggg> "I would like to see it in Debian, but
since people working for Oracle might risk to get punished for not
following the Oracle policy, I think we are not sure we can continue
giving a CVE free package for Stable Releases."
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1166 [09:34:39] <gggg> 2015 lol
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1168 [09:35:04] <nefsation__> thank you all for the support
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1170 [09:35:18] <nefsation__> im going to bed now
1171 [09:35:21] <gggg> seems like virtualbox is a goner for good
1172 [09:35:23] <rant> iirc its due to the fact that the upstream
only supports the current version
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1174 [09:35:33] <rant> I just use the upstream packages
1175 [09:35:37] <nefsation__> maybe tomorrow ill let you know how
it went
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1183 [09:37:52] <kreyren> jim, meh seems that devuan is not that
fast on updates so i'm seting up franken
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1210 [09:52:01] <ZaZaGX> hi
1211 [09:52:08] <jim> hi
1212 [09:52:30] <ZaZaGX> whoa, your a staff member
1213 [09:52:47] <jim> kreyren, how do you mean franken?
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1215 [09:53:10] <jim> ZaZaGX, not freenode, ##linux staff
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1217 [09:53:22] <ZaZaGX> oh ok
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1220 [09:54:47] <jim> ZaZaGX, what's new? everything working/
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1222 [09:54:49] <jim> ?
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1228 [09:56:27] <kreyren> jim, using debian + devuan repos,
because debian is incompetent for systemd-less system
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1230 [09:56:46] <alkisg> If it was easy to do it with debian,
devuan wouldn't exist :)
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1236 [10:02:00] <ZaZaGX> oh yeah
1237 [10:02:08] <ZaZaGX> just gotta complain about the battery
life
1238 [10:02:34] <ZaZaGX> it seems to drain more compared to Ubuntu
19.04. but the Debian 10 does seem more smoother and faster
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1243 [10:07:25] <ZaZaGX> Downer, how is the mullvad vpn working
for you?
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1250 [10:13:05] <ZaZaGX> hi Makaveli7
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1252 [10:16:17] <jim> ZaZaGX, could it be that the debian is
running more stuff in the background?
1253 [10:17:40] <ZaZaGX> not sure
1254 [10:18:00] <ZaZaGX> i believe the newer Ubuntu 19.04 is using
a more updated Kernel
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1257 [10:18:13] <ZaZaGX> thats why it saves more battery
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1260 [10:20:21] <k_sze> Has anybody had problems building Python
3.7.6 with optimizations under Debian Buster?
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1266 [10:24:10] <Makaveli7> hello ZaZaGX
1267 [10:24:32] <ZaZaGX> i heard good things about Mallvad vpn,
how is it?
1268 [10:25:06] <Makaveli7> no complaints so far. it's fast,
it has a kill switch and netflix works
1269 [10:25:16] <Makaveli7> I'm using it via wireguard
1270 [10:25:27] <BCMM> k_sze: what do you mean? like, compiling
the interpreter with different cflags?
1271 [10:25:48] <k_sze> BCMM, different options passed to the
`configure` script.
1272 [10:26:50] <k_sze> Python's `configure` script has a
`--with-optimizations` option that will perform profile-guided
optimizations during the build.
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1274 [10:27:35] <ZaZaGX> i just googled wireguard. still not sure
what it is
1275 [10:27:37] <EoflaOE> Makaveli7: Is Mallvad vpn paid or free
1276 [10:28:30] <Makaveli7> it's paid
1277 [10:28:43] <colo-work> "a kill switch"?
1278 [10:28:52] <k_sze> BCMM: I tried that on Raspbian Buster
(which is largely Debian Buster for armv7, for the Raspberry Pi
series of single board computers):
replaced-url
1279 [10:28:54] <EoflaOE> Makaveli7: OK. A subscription?
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1281 [10:29:31] <ZaZaGX> i use ProtonVPN. it offers free vpn but
the speed is basic
1282 [10:29:42] <ZaZaGX> i decided to pay for it
1283 [10:29:56] <BCMM> k_sze: how did you do that? did you just
download python sources from upstream, or did you start by modifying
debian's source package?
1284 [10:29:59] <Makaveli7> yes you can get subscription
1285 [10:30:07] <EoflaOE> ZaZaGX: Nice. I use that, but not able
to pay. It delivered enough speed.
1286 [10:30:09] <BCMM> (or raspbian's source package, if
that's different in any way)
1287 [10:30:10] <k_sze> python sources from upstream
1288 [10:30:10] <Makaveli7> I got it for a month to try
1289 [10:30:18] <EoflaOE> Makaveli7: Nice.
1290 [10:30:21] <k_sze> directly from python.org
1291 [10:30:30] <BCMM> k_sze: any particular reason not to try
using your distro's source package?
1292 [10:30:56] <BCMM> k_sze: the objective is to change configure
options, not to get a newer version, right?
1293 [10:30:57] <ZaZaGX> i got the bundle. Protonmail and
ProntonVPN. instead of paying 15 bucks. it cost 12 bucks a month
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1295 [10:31:46] <Makaveli7> that's nice. I heard about
protonvpn
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1301 [10:33:24] <BCMM> k_sze: that way, if there's some weird
tweak needed to make it build on debian, you can get a copy
that's already had that done
1302 [10:33:25] <ZaZaGX> so wireguard has stronger security?
1303 [10:34:58] <BCMM> ZaZaGX: wireguard is relatively new, so is
considered to be a bit less audited than some other solutions.
however, the protocol is also much simpler than some other vpns, and
it uses existing encryption standards
1304 [10:35:05] <Makaveli7> I don't think it's about
security. it's just faster and has lesser code than openvpn
1305 [10:35:11] <BCMM> so there's kind of not a lot of places
that a security bug could hide
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1307 [10:35:33] <ZaZaGX> oh ic
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1310 [10:36:22] <k_sze> BCMM: it's for both, but mostly for
the configure options: the deb package in Raspbian is built without
optimizations.
1311 [10:36:42] <k_sze> Which kinda sucks, as the Raspberry Pi
itself is already not terribly fast.
1312 [10:36:45] <BCMM> k_sze: have you built anything from a
debian source package before?
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1315 [10:37:16] <k_sze> No, never tried.
1316 [10:37:44] <k_sze> You mean I should try building with
Debian's source instead of Python.org's source?
1317 [10:38:10] <ZaZaGX> man, i'm starting to think i pay
more for my VPN
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1319 [10:38:43] <rant> ZaZaGX: I am not even following the convo
but that sounds ridiculous
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1322 [10:39:08] <rant> you would know whether or not you were
paying more for something, its not something you'd need to
start to think
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1324 [10:39:31] <BCMM> k_sze: any package in debian's own
repository has to exist as a "source" package. you
can't just upload a build that some developer managed to
compile once on their own system
1325 [10:40:16] <rant> that includes binary data.. you have to
provide the means for the generation of the data
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1327 [10:40:47] <BCMM> k_sze: debian binary packages are
automatically built by debian's build servers. this is how
raspbian is able to exist - by almost completely automatically
compiling debian source packages for the Pi's specific arm
microarchitechture
1328 [10:41:05] <g0zzy> Can anyone think of anything that boots
UEFI and has memtest on it? I want to test this RAM before
installing Buster.
1329 [10:41:27] <rant> g0zzy: memtest is built into the linux
kernel, has been for a long time
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1331 [10:41:40] <rant> g0zzy: you just pass a kernel parameter at
boot
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1333 [10:41:48] <ZaZaGX> would debian testing
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1335 [10:42:04] <ZaZaGX> would debian bullseye testing be a good
choice?
1336 [10:42:11] <BCMM> k_sze: so if you want to modify a package
on your system, your best starting point is probably the source
package, because it can automatically be built in to a working
binary. if you use a source package properly, you don't have to
engage in trial-and-error to work out how to make the package build
on your system
1337 [10:42:20] <BCMM> because the source package is already set
up to build with a single command
1338 [10:42:23] <g0zzy> Ah great
1339 [10:42:41] <kreyren> Why does my debian system takes +- 60
sec to trigger any command ?
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1341 [10:42:47] <kreyren> seems to hit a treshold of some kind
1342 [10:43:09] <kreyren> removed policykit-1 iirc
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1344 [10:43:51] <BCMM> k_sze:
replaced-url
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1347 [10:45:21] <k_sze> BCMM, I see. I'll check that out,
thanks.
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1349 [10:47:09] <g0zzy> rant: Any idea on how NOT to miss the
results though? ;)
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1368 [10:56:41] <alkisg> rant: how do you invoke memtest? I'm
trying with: kvm -m 512 -kernel vmlinuz -initrd initrd.img -append
"memtest break=top root=/dev/null"
1369 [10:56:41] <alkisg> ..and I get the initramfs shell, but no
memtest running...
1370 [10:57:14] <ZaZaGX> anyone tried debian edu? i wonder how it
is
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1375 [11:04:10] <alkisg> Ah it seems to be a silent one that
finishes in 1 second...
1376 [11:04:41] <alkisg> dmesg | grep memtest says: early_memtest:
# of tests: 17
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1380 [11:06:53] <kreyren> Fixed the issue by removing systemd it
got pulled somehow
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1392 [11:11:31] <ZaZaGX> looks like everyone is asleep
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1394 [11:12:09] <kreyren> What is the sane way to resolve this on
debian?
replaced-url
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1398 [11:14:35] <kreyren> ideally apt should fetch newer version
of the same package and prefer debian if the version is same
1399 [11:16:24] <ratrace> kreyren: there's #devuan
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1402 [11:17:11] <ratrace> !don't break debian
1403 [11:17:12] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is
replaced-url
1404 [11:17:30] <kreyren> ratrace, that's apt specific not
devuan issue
1405 [11:17:50] <kreyren> and my debian is used to beeing broken!
i have the power
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1407 [11:18:25] <ratrace> kreyren: but using devuan repos is not
supported here
1408 [11:18:56] <g0zzy> alkisg: where did you see any docs?
I've just been doing memtest=9 (It didn't work)
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1410 [11:19:35] <alkisg> g0zzy: I didn't find any docs :D
then I read the source, memtest.c, and I tried memtest=1000000,
which delayed a lot, so then I tried plain "memtest",
which did 17 passes
1411 [11:19:46] <alkisg> g0zzy: dmesg | grep memtest => tells
you if it ran or not
1412 [11:19:50] <kreyren> ratrace, the question was about managing
different repos on apt
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1415 [11:20:03] <kreyren> -> debian issue assuming apt beeing
made by debian
1416 [11:20:04] <alkisg> g0zzy: I guess if it finds an error, only
then it stops and prints it
1417 [11:20:15] <ratrace> kreyren: no it's not. you have a
conflict from using unsupported repo
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1419 [11:21:13] <g0zzy> This is what i found:
replaced-url
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1423 [11:22:40] <kreyren> ratrace, and i'm asking how do i
resolve that ocnflict on **APT** where apt is not devuan's
issue
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1425 [11:22:57] <kreyren> just help me dammit -.- i know
debian's phobia from frankendebian
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1435 [11:25:03] <ZaZaGX> heh frankendebian
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1437 [11:25:20] <g0zzy> alkisg: So what about combining what you
tried with that?
1438 [11:25:21] <BenNZ> ratrace: i had the same issue updating
stable to buster recently
1439 [11:25:38] <BenNZ> ratrace: altho i was using debian repos
1440 [11:26:00] <alkisg> g0zzy: I don't understand what
you're asking; I've read kernel parameters before and I
did make memtest work properly, it just was not as useful as I
expected; what is your question?
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1446 [11:27:51] <g0zzy> How i should invoke it. 1 pass in my
experience takes many minutes
1447 [11:27:58] <kreyren> ratrace, fine be anti-gnu then i figure
it out eventually -_-
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1450 [11:28:24] <alkisg> g0zzy: you're talking about a
"memtest86 binary pass"; the internal memtest call takes a
few msec
1451 [11:28:27] <ratrace> kreyren: lol, i'm anti-gnu?
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1453 [11:28:41] <kreyren> yep for not helping me with this
configuration
1454 [11:28:46] <kreyren> thats like definition of anti-gnu
1455 [11:28:49] <alkisg> g0zzy: that's what confused me too
initially, I was expecting to see an interface that would take
minutes for each pass etc
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1459 [11:29:11] <g0zzy> Yes memtest86
1460 [11:29:14] <alkisg> g0zzy: if you tried it, you should
already have it in dmesg, as I said, what's the output of this:
dmesg | grep memtest
1461 [11:29:33] <alkisg> g0zzy: yes, the kernel memtest is NOT
memtest86; a completely different thing
1462 [11:29:35] <BenNZ> ratrace: i get this error , W: Conflicting
distribution:
replaced-url
1463 [11:29:47] <BenNZ> warning i should say
1464 [11:30:35] <g0zzy> Right. m86 has disappeared from EFI boot
menus by the looks
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1470 [11:31:26] <alkisg> g0zzy: afaik it was never there, as
it's proprietary. You can download the free commercial version
of memtest.efi from
replaced-url
1471 [11:31:48] <alkisg> The open source version is a much older
one, that doesn't support efi
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1473 [11:32:05] <g0zzy> I see, thanks
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1475 [11:32:10] <alkisg> np
1476 [11:32:20] <Kocane69> Anyone got an idea how I can
troubleshoot why on earth systemctl disappears from my Debian 10
install?
1477 [11:32:40] <Kocane69> Seemingly out of nowhere. Yesterday I
ran reinstall of it and it started working again but now today its
gone...
1478 [11:32:52] <ayekat> Kocane69: misconfigured $PATH?
1479 [11:33:48] <Kocane69> ayekat shouldn't it exist in
/bin/systemctl still?
1480 [11:34:12] * ayekat connects to a debian machine
1481 [11:34:14] * g0zzy now needs to get it on a stick
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1483 [11:34:44] <ayekat> Kocane69: yes, at least on buster it
should be there
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1486 [11:35:15] <Kocane69> ayekat it's gone...
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1489 [11:35:17] <alkisg> Kocane69: what's the output of: dpkg
-L systemd | grep /bin/systemctl
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1492 [11:35:40] <Kocane69> alkisg: /bin/systemctl
1493 [11:35:49] <alkisg> Try debsums -s, sounds fishy...
1494 [11:35:51] <alkisg> Maybe disk issues
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1496 [11:36:08] <ratrace> BenNZ: can you pastebin your
sources.list?
1497 [11:36:22] <ayekat> files shouldn't just randomly
disappear in /bin - something is definitely weird
1498 [11:36:27] <ayekat> maybe a botched usrmerge install
1499 [11:36:32] <mpodien> Is it possible to continue reading with
less where you left off after a reboot? is this possible using
dtach? do socket files survive a restart?
1500 [11:37:10] <BenNZ> ratrace: the issue is because the server
uses buster backports in the release file instead of testing , not
much i can do about it except use buster in my sources
1501 [11:37:16] <Kocane69> alkisg: what does debsums -s do?
1502 [11:37:55] <alkisg> Kocane69: it checks all the files in your
system (or in the specified packages) against their initial md5sums,
so it's a good indication of debian installations that are
broken due to bad disks
1503 [11:38:02] <alkisg> E.g. it would report /bin/systemctl
missing
1504 [11:38:22] <alkisg> So if you see that it will report tens of
broken files, it's a disk issue; etc
1505 [11:38:46] <BenNZ> ratrace: sources
replaced-url
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1507 [11:39:12] <Kocane69> alkisg alright.. right now it's
just listing a ton of "changed file"
1508 [11:39:13] <kreyren> fixed the issue by renaming the release
since Release file in testing-backports is using bullseye instead of
testing.. suck it ratrace!
1509 [11:39:37] <alkisg> Kocane69: did you pass the -s parameter?
pastebin a few lines...
1510 [11:39:50] <ratrace> kreyren: forgot your meds today?
1511 [11:40:07] <kreyren> ratrace, fetching my drugs atm
1512 [11:40:12] <alkisg> Kocane69: debsums -s, when ran as root,
should ideally display nothing
1513 [11:40:15] <Kocane69> alkisg: yeah I did. It stops with
missing files in some kernel drivers, and in the end "debsums:
missing file /bin/systemctl (from systemd package"
1514 [11:40:20] <Kocane69> Oh..
1515 [11:40:40] <alkisg> Kocane69: pastebin the output, so that we
see how bad it is
1516 [11:40:46] <ratrace> kreyren: you'll still break your
debian if you try using devuan packages
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1519 [11:40:58] <kreyren> ratrace, that is expected
1520 [11:41:05] <kreyren> i can fix conflicts
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1526 [11:43:25] <ratrace> kreyren: why would you even want to do
that btw, what do those packages offer that you can't do in
debian, or can't use devuan straight?
1527 [11:43:43] <kreyren> ratrace, yep since debian is unable to
handle my openrc configuration
1528 [11:44:01] <kreyren> since i need consolekit2 and some
maintained version of openrc
1529 [11:44:20] <kreyren> but also i need fast updated by debian
for rest of the packages
1530 [11:44:30] <kreyren> *fast updates of packages on debian
1531 [11:44:36] <ratrace> so then why don't you use devuan
straight?
1532 [11:44:47] <ratrace> ah
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1534 [11:45:33] <kreyren> ratrace, since it's slower on
updates and i woudn't be able to ask debianers since debian
community is bigger
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1536 [11:45:59] <kreyren> + i want to include it in bedrock linux
later so that it woudn't have to use multiple stratum for one
apt-based distro
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1542 [11:49:09] <kreyren> ratrace, just try to not be an asshole
next time :p
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1545 [11:49:33] <Kocane69> alkisg:
replaced-url
1546 [11:49:45] <Kocane69> Basically a ton of garbage about what
Im guessing is my TV Tuner driver in the kernel
1547 [11:49:57] <Kocane69> aside from that only systemctl seems to
be missing.
1548 [11:49:57] <ratrace> kreyren: what with, telling the truth?
what you're trying to do is very much unsupported here
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1552 [11:52:26] <ayekat> calling people assholes if they tell you
that you're asking questions in the wrong place seems more
asshole-y to me
1553 [11:52:31] <alkisg> Kocane69: it seems like your disk has
started being corrupted since 4.16... I'd suggest an fsck while
the disk isn't in use, then reinstallation of all broken
packages, and when you finally have debsums -s clean and fsck clean,
monitor it for a few days in case it errors again,
1554 [11:52:31] <alkisg> btw, do you see any disk or ATA errors in
dmesg?
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1560 [11:54:34] <kreyren> ratrace, i agree that devuan is not
supported here and offtipic, apt specific issues are very relevant
1561 [11:54:42] <kreyren> *but apt specific..
1562 [11:55:13] <ayekat> but devuan might have made changes to apt
(or packaged it differently), and thus it may behave differently
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1564 [11:55:41] <afidegnum> hello, using debian with i3, when i
ran start_navicat is not able to run. $PATH is not exported, part of
the script is not run even with sudo. what can i do? here is the
installation script
replaced-url
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1566 [11:56:24] <ayekat> it's like asking for ubuntu help -
sure, it uses mostly the same tools, but who knows how the default
config differs from debian?
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1568 [11:59:00] <ratrace> kreyren: my argument was that your
problem stems from trying to use non-standard repos; you
wouldn't have it if you used standard, supported repos;
that's all
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1570 [12:00:21] <kreyren> fair enough, but you should still
provide the help needed with it if end-user wants to use this
configuration instead of screaming 'not supported'..
1571 [12:00:44] <ratrace> kreyren: and if you think that's
being an ass, perhaps you'd like to invite entire Freenode to
seek support in #debian? it's all linux anyway, amirite? ;)
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1575 [12:01:12] <EmleyMoor> What's your issue with the
supported repos?
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1578 [12:02:31] <kreyren> ratrace, nah only if their question is
debian-specific
1579 [12:02:46] <kreyren> where apt is debian's issue since
debian is creator of apt.
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1581 [12:02:59] <kreyren> and active maintainer afaik
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1583 [12:05:54] <ayekat> kreyren: debian is the creator of apt the
*software*, but devuan is the maintainer of apt the *package* - the
debian maintainers have no control over how devuan has packaged or
configured apt on devuan
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1588 [12:06:30] <kreyren> ayekat, that only makes it relevant for
both and i'm using debian's apt
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1596 [12:09:40] <ayekat> kreyren: no, it still doesn't make
it relevant for both - and using debian's apt doesn't mean
there isn't still devuan-specific configuration lying around on
your system
1597 [12:10:22] <ayekat> if you know the specific differences, and
you ask an apt-related question that is not a support question,
it's fine to ask here
1598 [12:10:23] <kreyren> ayekat, in that case it would made it
relevant for both devuan and debian if said system is using
configuration from debian and devuan
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1601 [12:10:45] <kreyren> ayekat, note that mensioned question was
on pure debian pre-merge to devuan
1602 [12:10:54] <kreyren> *pre-merge to frankendebian
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1604 [12:11:23] <ayekat> kreyren: no, because debian people
don't know anything about devuan configuration - so if you
mix'n'match configs, only devuan people will know (if any
at all)
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1608 [12:12:14] <ayekat> and that apt output there showed that it
was at least partially configured for using devuan repos
1609 [12:12:24] <kreyren> ayekat, in which case i would ask devuan
for that specific question and expect any helpful info from debian
1610 [12:12:54] <kreyren> since devuan and debian share simmilar
configuration for me to draw concludion to find solution
1611 [12:13:07] <ratrace> they don't though
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1614 [12:14:17] <kreyren> like i understand that you dont like
frankendebian users in general since it makes it difficult to help
them, but i dont see a reason why woudn't you provide said help
so that i would be able to use debian's part of my franken for
my usecase..
1615 [12:14:45] <kreyren> ratrace, afaik only init is different
and i'm currently running openrc on debian from debian which is
pain to use..
1616 [12:14:54] <kreyren> rest is pretty much same or very
simmilar
1617 [12:15:00] <ayekat> kreyren: oh that's simple: because
even on debian, mixing distro releases is unsupported
1618 [12:16:04] <ayekat> if you mix stretch repos with buster
repos, expect things to break (someone linked to the
"don't break debian" article) - the same applies to
mixing different releases from different *distros*
1619 [12:16:23] <kreyren> ayekat, but you have testing debian
which literally needs pinning from stable, experimental etc.. to
work around present issues + it's anti-gnu since gnu encourages
to support every configuration of system
1620 [12:16:44] <Kocane69> alkisg: i'm not seeing any disk
errors regarding to my system SSD i don't think.. however I am
seeing some on one of the disks in my zfs pool
1621 [12:17:02] <kreyren> ayekat, breakage is expected i can work
around that usually and when i can't i expect to ask here or on
#debian-next to get more info to fix said issue
1622 [12:17:13] <Kocane69> alkisg: is there any way I can scan the
disk while it's in use?
1623 [12:17:31] <alkisg> Kocane69: dunno, I'm not using zfs
1624 [12:17:44] <kreyren> else you are turning this into LFS hell
even when i am LFS user it's still annoying, wastes time and is
harmful to FOSS..
1625 [12:17:49] <ayekat> kreyren: pinning stable/experimental
falls into the same category - you can do it, but expect things to
go awry at some point
1626 [12:17:53] <Kocane69> alkisg: oh the zfs is irrelevant to
this, it's only for storage, not system.
1627 [12:18:06] <alkisg> Kocane69: I don't know of any proper
way to fsck ext4 online
1628 [12:18:09] <ayekat> also, I'm gonna stop, because now it
gets just religious
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1630 [12:18:45] <ratrace> it's just a lot of noise ; or else
we could invite all users of ubuntu and debian derivates to ask here
; they all use apt after all
1631 [12:19:16] <ratrace> (which was the original statement ;
devuan uses apt so #debian is relevant to ask about unsupported use
case)
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1640 [12:20:43] <Kocane69> alkisg: hm, okay. I guess I can make it
run a fsck on boot.. the trouble is that the server is remote
1641 [12:20:50] <Kocane69> no IPMI or anything.
1642 [12:21:13] <kreyren> ratrace, you already have most of the
debian's community helping ubuntu plebs because the solutions
are simmilar.. and it should be taken as relevant since devuan can
NOT help with debian-specific issues and vice-versa
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1644 [12:21:55] <ratrace> if they are, then they're
supporting in #ubuntu and relevant derivative channel ; otherwise
this cahnnel would be very very noisy
1645 [12:22:22] <ayekat> also, devuan *should* be able to help
with debian-specific issues, since they're the one applying the
changes to debian
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1648 [12:22:53] <alkisg> Kocane69: I don't know how to
properly fsck -f automatically on boot even on cases where user
input is needed (fsck -a refuses to fix errors) without user input;
I think you should re-ask this question in this channel without
directing it to me, so that anyone may answer
1649 [12:22:56] <ratrace> kreyren: and speaking of asses, the only
ass here is you, demanding support for very much unsupported
configuration ; you're literally demanding and calling
"ass" anyone who points that out ;
1650 [12:23:00] <kreyren> ayekat, assuming that devuan's
community on irc is almost 10 times smaller and i'm prefering
debian packages over devuan i doubt it
1651 [12:23:06] <g0zzy> alkisg: Thanks
1652 [12:23:09] <alkisg> np
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1656 [12:24:30] <ayekat> kreyren: "the community of my distro
is too small" is an age-old (and invalid) argument - if lack of
community support is an issue for you, you may need to pick a
different distro
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1658 [12:24:41] <kreyren> ratrace, i'm calling you ass for
assuming it beeing devuan issue even when it was debian issue since
said system was running 100% debian packages at the time of question
and you insisted on asking in #devuan which was provided beeing not
relevant assuming conflict within the apt and it's
configuration for testing naming on debian repository..
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1661 [12:25:28] <ayekat> kreyren: also, again, you can ask apt
questions here - but if you ask about an unsupported case (which is:
mixing repos from different distros), you can't expect help
here
1662 [12:25:33] <ratrace> kreyren: it cannot be debian issue when
you're using unsupported third party repos ; why is that so
hard to understand
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1664 [12:26:48] <ratrace> same if you pointed at an Ubuntu PPA
(hey, it's all apt, amirite) and then demanded help over some
package that fails to install :: i mean... duh...
1665 [12:28:09] <kreyren> ayekat, which is acceptable assuming it
beeing unsupported but said question was 100% debian's issue
and even if it was frankendebian then any form of help should be
encouraged assuming debian's repositories and software used..
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1667 [12:28:41] <ayekat> kreyren: no, that issue there was related
to using one of their repositories: "expected testing but got
beowulf"
1668 [12:28:55] <ayekat> it's like... 100% devuan
1669 [12:29:09] <kreyren> ayekat, it was since it was also blocked
by testing-backports which needs bullseye-backports
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1674 [12:30:46] <kreyren> and it was still using 3rd party repos
on debian.. i doubt you would sent me to WINE with this issue if i
ware using their repos.. -> i'm wasn't using devuan at
the time of asking
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1676 [12:31:37] <themill> kreyren: that's enough, thanks.
1677 [12:31:37] <alkisg> I think the point of argument is: (1) how
can I add a ppa? (2) instructions (3) breakage ==> people here
don't want to even support (2), before it gets to (3), and
it's their right to do so. It's not a channel for
supporting "any kind of usage of debian software", but
only "supported usage of debian software"
1678 [12:31:45] <kreyren> themill, ok
1679 [12:32:18] * kreyren goes back to breaking debian
1680 [12:33:02] * ayekat just noticed they were already here in March
with a weird ubuntu/debian/bedrock/gentoo mix
1681 [12:33:56] <kreyren> ayekat, i'm messing with it for
longer xD but it was never a problem providing support for it on
debian.. in #gentoo developers pretty much get ptsd from seeing my
portage configuration and refuse to help
1682 [12:34:39] <Kocane69> If I use forcefsck in / to run a fsck
on reboot, does anyone know if it saves the output somewhere?
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1684 [12:35:27] <jelly> kreyren, while Debian purports itself to
be a "universal operating system", and that means you
should be able to install any sort of software on it, some ways of
getting said software are better and some are worse, some more
likely to cause problems with other components, and some less likely
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1686 [12:36:01] <Kocane69> alkisg: isn't it weird that a
command like reboot also disappears?
1687 [12:36:17] <kreyren> jelly, i was asked to stop and i
don't want to block #debian with this issue we can move in
#debian-op or something.. your info is noted
1688 [12:36:18] <Kocane69> I reinstalled systemd, rebooted server
and the systemctl/reboot is once again gone..
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1691 [12:37:34] <jelly> or irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-next, since
I see bullseye mentioned
1692 [12:37:37] <kreyren> Kocane69, afaik fsck should be in syslog
or you need to configure it to be saved in /var/log/fsck afaik
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1697 [12:39:15] <ayekat> Kocane69: so systemctl is the only
executable missing?
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1702 [12:40:00] <ayekat> ah wait, no, there are some kernel
modules missing as well
1703 [12:40:17] <Kocane69> ayekay: and reboot
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1705 [12:42:15] <ayekat> Kocane69: how did you run fsck? if it was
through a service, it should be in the journal
1706 [12:42:26] <Kocane69> ayekat I created forcefsck in / and
rebooted.. it's a remote system.
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1708 [12:43:21] <ayekat> Kocane69: what do you mean with
"created forcefsck in /"?
1709 [12:44:38] <jelly> ayekat, typically it means running
"touch /forcefsck" or an equivalent
1710 [12:44:40] <Kocane69> ayekat: well according to my googling,
created a file named forcefsck in root will force a fsck on next
reboot
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1712 [12:45:12] <jelly> !forcefsck
1713 [12:45:12] <dpkg> To instruct your system to execute
<fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful
for checking the root filesystem for errors (via
/etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to
shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include
"forcefsck" at the kernel command line.
1714 [12:45:24] <jelly> okay, that's a bit outdated...
1715 [12:45:33] <Vanfanel> Hi!
1716 [12:46:16] <J_C> Vanfanel: hello there
1717 [12:46:26] <jelly> there's also a systemd-specific way
of doing it via a boot parameter, I can't remember it right now
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1721 [12:47:19] <themill> initscripts still do it though from
rcS.d
1722 [12:48:04] <ayekat> huh, didn't know about that
forcefsck... TIL
1723 [12:48:26] <Vanfanel> I am trying to do an apt-get update on
a chrooted "stretch" system, but it gets stuck at
"Waiting for headers". The system has internet access and
name resolution works. I can even ping to "deb.debian.org"
with no problems at all. But still, its stuck at 0% in that
"waiting for headers" message. Any idea on what the
problem could be?
1724 [12:48:40] <kreyren> Can i use variables in sources.list ?
like `deb $url blah blah`
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1732 [12:52:22] <ayekat> kreyren: from what I see in
sources.list(5), no
1733 [12:52:51] <kreyren> `E: Malformed line 1 in source list
/etc/apt/sources.list (type)` yep.. :(
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1736 [12:52:58] <ayekat> (apart from $(ARCH), that is)
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1739 [12:53:52] <Kocane69> jelly: or I can throw in
"fsck.mode=force" in the kernel parameters, no? I still
can't figure how I can see the result of it, though.
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1744 [12:57:06] <Vanfanel> I can even wget files from github,
etc... but apt-get update is stuck at "waiting for
headers". My sources.list contains just this one: "deb
replaced-url
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1749 [12:59:21] <themill> Vanfanel: do you have firewalling that
might get in the way? apt uses SRV records and then goes off to a
CDN, it doesn't do http to deb.debian.org
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1756 [13:02:14] <Vanfanel> themill: the system is accessed via
chroot, since its an ARM64 debian stretch system. It has no
firewalls. The host system also does not have any firewalls to my
knowledge: its a Lubuntu system on x86_64. How can I know if theres
something on my network that could be causing the apt-get update
fail on the chrooted arm64 system? Any tests I can do?
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1769 [13:04:43] <Vanfanel> themill: the hosts system can do
apt-update with no problems at all, too
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1771 [13:04:49] <Vanfanel> *host
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1800 [13:12:34] <ubq323> will bumblebee break if I upgrade to
buster?
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1807 [13:14:15] <Psyndrome> Is there a simple way to remove
multiple packages at once?
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1813 [13:16:39] <ayekat> Psyndrome: apt autoremove pkg1 pkg2
pkg3...
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1816 [13:17:47] <themill> s/auto//
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1825 [13:19:10] <ubq323> or purge, i guess
1826 [13:19:22] <Psyndrome> cant i copy all that history from
synaptic manager somehow?
1827 [13:19:37] <Psyndrome> They are so many
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1829 [13:19:47] <themill> what are you really trying to do?
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1831 [13:20:03] <ubq323> ^
1832 [13:20:07] <Psyndrome> well i installed a bunch of stuff and
i dont need them
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1834 [13:20:21] <Psyndrome> They are in the history but are so
many to click one by one
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1836 [13:20:24] <themill> vague questions get vague answers
1837 [13:20:31] <jelly> Kocane69, ideally you'd see all the
logs of things done during initramfs times somewhere in journal
after boot, including fsck, but I can't test or confirm if
that's true for debian 10 right now
1838 [13:20:48] <Vanfanel> themill: I found a possible solution
online, that consisted on chmod 666 /dev/null. Now I am not stuck at
"waiting for headers" anymore, but I get instead an error
with Release.gpg
1839 [13:21:04] <ubq323> seems like an
replaced-url
1840 [13:21:05] <themill> Vanfanel: oh, now that's
unexpected.
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1843 [13:21:30] <jelly> Vanfanel, /dev/null SHOULD be 0666 by
default
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1846 [13:21:55] * themill wonders if it's not a device
1847 [13:22:05] <jelly> that would be fun
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1850 [13:22:52] <Vanfanel> jelly: well, its a chrooted enviroment,
no idea on why its 0660 but it was
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1856 [13:23:54] <Vanfanel> themill: now I get "Terminate
called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
": what(): random_device::random_device(const std::string&)
1857 [13:24:08] <jelly> Vanfanel, show ls -ld
/dev/{null,zero,full}
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1859 [13:24:44] <Vanfanel> jelly: root@teclast:/# ls -ld
/dev/{null,zero,full}
1860 [13:24:44] <Vanfanel> /bin/ls: cannot access
'/dev/zero': No such file or directory
1861 [13:24:44] <Vanfanel> /bin/ls: cannot access
'/dev/full': No such file or directory
1862 [13:24:44] <Vanfanel> -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 56 Aug 1 11:14
/dev/null
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1864 [13:24:50] <themill> o0
1865 [13:24:55] <jelly> Vanfanel, your chroot is incomplete and/or
broken
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1867 [13:25:09] * themill is teh winnar
1868 [13:25:16] <jelly> !win themill
1869 [13:25:16] <dpkg> Congratulations, themill! You have won the
time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
1870 [13:25:26] <themill> \o/
1871 [13:25:28] <EoflaOE> Congrats themill
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1874 [13:25:49] <jelly> Vanfanel, is this chroot on a crappy
android device?
1875 [13:25:49] <Vanfanel> jelly: the same system boots and works
perfectly in "native" mode... maybe I am not doing the
chroot process well?
1876 [13:25:50] <Psyndrome> Most of them are also separated so the
autoremove option is not listed
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1878 [13:26:07] <Vanfanel> jelly: nope, its a Raspberry Pi 3
system, debian aarch64
1879 [13:26:08] * jelly squints at "teclast"
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1881 [13:26:27] <Vanfanel> jelly: the host is a teclast, yes
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1883 [13:26:40] <Vanfanel> but the system is meant to run on a Pi3
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1885 [13:27:07] <themill> before chrooting in, you need to mount
/dev (and possibly other things) inside the image
1886 [13:27:11] <jelly> either bind-mount /dev or make a minimal
static /dev inside the chroot.
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1889 [13:27:47] <Vanfanel> themill: take into account that the
host is x86_64 and the chrooted system is aarch64...
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1892 [13:28:17] <Vanfanel> themill: do I still to bind-mount /dev?
1893 [13:28:53] <jelly> Vanfanel, if makedev is installed inside
chroot, do "rm /dev/null" and then "/sbin/MAKEDEV
std"
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1895 [13:29:06] <jelly> ^ an alternative to bind mounting /dev
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1898 [13:29:45] * jelly has not had to deal with a static /dev in a
while and may not remember the right MAKEDEV incantation
1899 [13:30:09] <Vanfanel> also, I did "mount --rbind /dev
dev/" after chrooting. Isnt that bind mounting /dev?
1900 [13:30:17] <ubq323> Psyndrome: how did you install these
packages? if they are all dependencies or installed automatically
then there's an easier way to get rid of them (for instance)
1901 [13:30:28] <Vanfanel> or should I do differently BEFORE
chrooting?
1902 [13:30:38] <jelly> Vanfanel, after chrooting inside chroot?
That won't do much.
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1906 [13:31:41] <jelly> you'd need to do that in the chroot
dir, but outside of chroot.
1907 [13:32:06] <Psyndrome> They are fonts and i installed them
just by clicking one by one in synaptic manager and very few of them
was linked as multiple
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1909 [13:33:37] <ubq323> does synaptic allow you to un-click them
one by one?
1910 [13:35:35] <Psyndrome> yes but i have to search them one by
one
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1912 [13:35:54] * kreyren merged beowulf on his debian with openrc and
it runs like a charm
1913 [13:37:29] <Vanfanel> jelly: I understood the problem. Once I
bind mounted /dev, I had the same /dev contents that the host system
has. Now everything works.
1914 [13:37:41] <Vanfanel> jelly: thanks for your help!
1915 [13:37:57] <Vanfanel> themill: thanks a lot! Its solved now!
:)
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1920 [13:41:44] <Kocane69> jelly: i really cannot get any output
from this fsck
1921 [13:42:07] <Kocane69> I can easily install other packages and
use them, but if I install systemd there goes a minute then
systemctl exe disappears again
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1923 [13:42:49] <themill> Vanfanel: no worries, have fun with it
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1925 [13:43:52] <Kocane69> hands down weidest issues I've had
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1927 [13:44:11] <andre144k> hi all, i have follow bash-script, how
to get "i-1" inside for-loop?
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1929 [13:45:11] <andre144k>
replaced-url
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1933 [13:45:51] <msdoos> thank god the wetter applet is finally
working again! thanks thanks
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1935 [13:46:02] <msdoos> (updated to 10)
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1937 [13:46:26] <andre144k> when possible without external tools
like bc
1938 [13:46:36] <humpled> for i in $(seq $TOP -1 $BOTTOM); do
1939 [13:46:52] <jim> andre144k, do you have i?
1940 [13:47:00] <humpled> there's probably better ways,
definitely other ways
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1944 [13:47:09] <andre144k> jim,
replaced-url
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1946 [13:47:21] <abrotman> There's a #bash for that
1947 [13:47:30] <andre144k> ah thank you
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1949 [13:47:52] <ZaZaGX> hi
1950 [13:47:57] <jim> hi
1951 [13:48:20] <ZaZaGX> omg, don
1952 [13:48:28] <ZaZaGX> don't you ever sleep
1953 [13:48:39] <jim> don?
1954 [13:49:18] <ZaZaGX> jim
1955 [13:49:32] <abrotman> ZaZaGX: Do you need help with Debian?
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1957 [13:49:48] <jim> I do
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1959 [13:49:57] <ZaZaGX> yea i do
1960 [13:50:03] <abrotman> jim: you need lots of help :)
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1963 [13:50:43] <jim> abrotman, well I'm trying to deal with
sound, alsa, pulse and jackd...
1964 [13:50:45] <jelly> the professional kind of?
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1966 [13:51:14] <abrotman> apparently so :)
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1968 [13:52:26] <jim> what I want to do is change it from alsa
<==> pulse to alsa <==> jackd <==> pulse
1969 [13:52:58] <jelly> if you prefer jack why use pulse at all?
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1971 [13:53:29] <jim> jelly, for youtube and vlc (at least) which
now go to pulse
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1973 [13:53:47] <abrotman> youtube via the browser?
1974 [13:53:53] <jim> yeha
1975 [13:53:56] <jelly> I'm pretty sure vlc has jack in its
dozen audio output plugins
1976 [13:53:58] <jim> yeah
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1980 [13:56:17] <ZaZaGX> how long is debian buster supported up
too?
1981 [13:56:29] <jim> so about that... I've been stopping
pulse with systemd, then starting jackd, and it starts, but when I
try a jack client (like jack_metro), I don't hear it (so jack
isn't connecting to the right thing, or the headphone plug
isn't connected to the right jack)
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1984 [13:57:04] <Fox> ZaZaGX: next 5 years
1985 [13:57:09] <ZaZaGX> oh ok
1986 [13:57:15] <jelly> jim, supposedly pulseaudio detects jackd
and routes audio there automatically, does this not happen for you?
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1990 [13:57:52] <jim> I stop pulse, so it isn't detecting
anything
1991 [13:57:56] <jelly> jim, which debian release is this?
1992 [13:58:03] <jim> buster
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1995 [13:58:30] <jelly> jim, and is your pulseaudio running as a
user unit or global for some reason
1996 [13:58:35] <abrotman> This sounds like a lot of unnecessary
work?
1997 [13:58:39] <jelly> yes.
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1999 [13:59:10] <jim> well I think as a user unit, I think this
because I'm able to stop it as my user
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2003 [14:01:18] <jelly> jim, is pulseaudio-module-jack installed?
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2010 [14:03:44] <jim> it is now, I installed it about 2 hours ago
2011 [14:03:51] * kreyren hides
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2018 [14:06:07] <jim> jelly, are you thinking alsa <==>
pulse <==> jackd or alsa <==> jackd <==> pulse?
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2025 [14:08:04] <alkisg> Kocane69: is that remote system
virtualized, or bare metal?
2026 [14:08:25] <jelly> jim, the latter. Before you stop
pulseaudio, what does it say about where sound can go? pacmd
list-sinks
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2029 [14:09:03] <Psyndrome> I did it by using the help of a text
editor... :D
2030 [14:09:23] <jim> I think it's running now...
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2035 [14:11:03] <jim> jelly,
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2038 [14:11:40] <jelly> jim, so you only have hdmi and spdif
outputs, no analog?
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2040 [14:12:10] <jelly> that... seems unusual.
2041 [14:12:35] <jelly> jim, where does your sound normally go,
how are those speakers connected?
2042 [14:12:39] <jim> how are you getting that so fast?
2043 [14:13:22] <jim> jelly, I plugged into the jack that at the
time was outputting from a youtube video
2044 [14:13:44] * jelly reads
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2046 [14:14:15] <jim> but that was at least a couple years ago, I
was using cadence
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2048 [14:14:56] <jim> but after reinstalling buster, I decided to
not go with cadence, since it's not a debian package
2049 [14:14:56] <jelly> I would think setup from a couple years
ago does not seem relevant for current issue
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2053 [14:15:32] <jim> probably, but it was working up until about
2 weeks ago
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2058 [14:16:44] <jim> that's when I did a apt autoremove, and
I guess that screwed things up for cadence (which probably
doesn't have its package metadata right)
2059 [14:17:33] <jim> after that, I could bring up the cadence
panel but the user interface elements on that panel were all grayed
out
2060 [14:17:43] <Psyndrome> Thanks for the suggestions see you
2061 [14:18:07] <jim> after that experience, I thought, no more
cadence
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2065 [14:19:19] <jim> and at least, it's been working
consistantly
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2070 [14:21:26] <jim> but now I want to add jackd back so the
other pieces work the way they did
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2084 [14:30:37] <jim> if I use pasuspender to start jack, when
pulse tries to find the sink, will it find the jackd and connect to
it?
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2091 [14:34:14] <andi_> hello can somebody be so polite and
pastebin the content of apt-get --print-uris --yes install wine |
grep ^\' | cut -d\' -f2 >downloads.list the
download.list file?
2092 [14:34:33] <andi_> i don' thave a debian installation on
my hands and need some packages for a offline install
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2095 [14:35:07] <alkisg> I think you'd also need to specify
which debian version
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2103 [14:36:14] <jim> andi_, ok, you don't have debian
installed? do you want to?
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2106 [14:36:23] <andi_> Debian Gnu/Linux 9 4Kernel 4.9.144-3
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2108 [14:36:45] <andi_> i have a debian installation up and
running i just don't have access to the internet on the machine
2109 [14:36:51] <jim> and the machine is not connected to the net/
2110 [14:37:00] <jim> so no
2111 [14:37:32] <jim> andi_, ther's apt-zip and apt-offline
2112 [14:37:37] <andi_> yeah sadly i don't have a debian with
internet availible
2113 [14:38:02] <Kocane69> alkisg: turns out it was due to some
idiotic scripting of mine in a monit conf.. not sure why I didnt
notice it before now since it's been a while since I made that
script. All in all, pretty embarresing but atleast the disk is OK
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2115 [14:38:26] <Kocane69> and thanks for the assistance!
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2117 [14:38:50] <alkisg> Kocane69: heh, strange that it was
modifying all those kernel modules though; anyway, nice to hear you
found it
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2119 [14:40:23] <jim> andi_, what prevents you from connecting?
2120 [14:40:55] <andi_> jim: system-admin :)
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2125 [14:44:48] <kilobyte_ch> I'm trying to build a minimal
debian rootfs for Arm. For that I'm using multistrap. With
Debian 9 this works. But with Debian 10 I'm getting conflicts
with multiple packages:
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2127 [14:45:32] <opv> hi all. i would like to disallow /dev/tcp
access to bash
2128 [14:45:39] <opv> do i understand it correctly that i would
have to recompile the binary?
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2130 [14:46:04] <greycat> Why do you want to prevent that, and how
do you intend to prevent the users who WANT to use that shell
feature from simply bringing their own bash?
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2133 [14:46:49] <opv> server hardening
2134 [14:46:56] <greycat> *plonk*
2135 [14:46:59] <colo-work> :D
2136 [14:46:59] <opv> users cannot bring in their own bash if they
have nothing to transfer files with
2137 [14:47:20] <colo-work> as long as they have a stdin and a
stdout, they can "transfer files"
2138 [14:47:35] <opv> true dat
2139 [14:47:39] <colo-work> (and a writable filesystem location
anywhere)
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2143 [14:51:35] <epony> OpenBGPD 6.5p1 portable: released August
1st, 2019 [
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2167 [15:01:40] <BCMM> opv: will you also stop them from writing a
python script that access tcp, for example?
2168 [15:01:53] <BCMM> opv: or one of many, many other ways?
2169 [15:02:27] <BCMM> cutting off individual interfaces to a
capability you don't want them to use is the wrong way to go
2170 [15:02:37] <opv> BCMM: yeah, you're right
2171 [15:02:44] <BCMM> opv: what *do* you want these users to be
able to do?
2172 [15:03:01] <opv> nothing :D
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2174 [15:03:09] <BCMM> opv: so... don't give them accounts?
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2176 [15:03:30] <opv> i don't have control over potentially
vulnerable web applications, to name an example
2177 [15:04:32] <BCMM> i don't understand...
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2179 [15:04:43] <BCMM> oh i see
2180 [15:04:56] <BCMM> post-exploitation mitigation or somesuch
2181 [15:05:04] <opv> correct
2182 [15:05:13] <BCMM> i'd been imagining this as giving
shell accounts to users for a specific purpose, and trying to stop
them using it for other purposes
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2184 [15:05:27] <opv> my bad. shoulda been clearer
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2188 [15:06:23] <karlpinc> opv: There's probably something
radical you can do with SELinux. :-|
2189 [15:06:24] <BCMM> opv: but yeah, if somebody malicious gets a
shell, there's a million and one ways they could open a tcp
socket
2190 [15:06:31] <opv> i assume i could use tools like apparmor or
SEL to prohibit the
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2191 [15:06:57] <half-beard> ratrace, would you be able to advise
me please on getting my new ubuntu install to be bootable?
2192 [15:07:05] <greycat> ask #ubuntu
2193 [15:07:11] <half-beard> sorry I meant debian
2194 [15:07:19] <half-beard> lol
2195 [15:07:22] <greycat> *plonk*
2196 [15:07:30] <ratrace> and where did you pick me out of....
2197 [15:07:33] <karlpinc> !errors
2198 [15:07:33] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error
messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and
it's also useful to know exactly what command you're
typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is
often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized
errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a
pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
2199 [15:07:35] <greycat> So it's going to be one of THESE
days, is it.
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2202 [15:07:50] <half-beard> sorry I use both so I mix up the
names at times
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2205 [15:08:47] <half-beard> this is what I've done: GPT1:4M
Grub. GPT2:40G Windoze, GPT3:512M ext4 /boot, GPT4 LUKS. Then I
mounted luks as myluks then created a zfspool on that. Then created
a 10G ZVol in the zpool and formatted it with ext4 Now Debian is
busy installing in that.
2206 [15:08:57] <karlpinc> opv: A good first step is to not allow
the
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2209 [15:09:29] <half-beard> When the install is done, before I
reboot I'll create a ZFS filesystem, then rsync the root
install to that.
2210 [15:09:44] <half-beard> Then I need to setup /etc/crypttab
such that it boots
2211 [15:09:46] <opv> karlpinc: i'd love to, but it needs to
be able to write cache files etc for the running CMS
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2213 [15:10:09] <ratrace> half-beard: why on earth would you use
zfs to create a zvol to format as ext4 to install debian into? o.O
2214 [15:10:37] <half-beard> ratrace, the debian installer
doesn't want to install to a ZFS
2215 [15:10:40] <ratrace> i am also not aware of grub or any
initramfs facility being able to pivot root to a zvol
2216 [15:10:44] <half-beard> but it will install into a ext4 zvol
2217 [15:10:50] <ratrace> yeah, no.
2218 [15:10:51] <karlpinc> opv: Easiest is to isolete every app in
it's own VM, or some such. If something gets broken into then
the damage is limited.
2219 [15:10:55] <ratrace> i never heard of this setup
2220 [15:10:58] <half-beard> I will get rid of the zvol
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2222 [15:11:09] <half-beard> Some ZFS guy told me he did this
2223 [15:11:11] <ratrace> half-beard: just debootstrap with proper
zfs datasets
2224 [15:11:33] <ratrace> half-beard: then you'd have to ask
that some zfs guy to help you with that quite unorthodox (if even
possible at all) setup :)
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2228 [15:12:14] <half-beard> well, if I rsync the fresh install
into zfs, would that not be the same end result as debootrapping?
2229 [15:12:38] <ratrace> half-beard: kinda, just make sure you
adjust fstab, network and other configs, watch out for clashing
UUIDs
2230 [15:12:53] <half-beard> hmm
2231 [15:13:06] <karlpinc> half-beard: The problem might be grub.
Somehow the boot loader has to find the kernel (Although you do have
a separate /boot so....)
2232 [15:13:10] <ratrace> you'll need zfs-initramfs package
for root on zfs
2233 [15:13:32] <half-beard> ratrace, thanks, will install that
2234 [15:14:00] <half-beard> ratrace, do you have an example
/etc/crypttab that I can refer to for getting my luks partition
decrypted on boot
2235 [15:14:07] <ratrace> half-beard: but that's "zfs
dataset", not zvol ; i don't think zvols are supported by
initramfs-tools
2236 [15:14:12] <half-beard> (this is is a workstation, not a
dropbear thing)
2237 [15:14:23] <opv> karlpinc: absolutely, we already do that.
now looking at how to improve the situation
2238 [15:15:02] <half-beard> ratrace, just to clear any
miscommunication, the zvol is temporary, it's only while
I'm installing.
2239 [15:15:07] <ratrace> half-beard: "sda3_crypt UUID=....
none luks" adjust where necessary, man crypttab for info on
columns
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2242 [15:15:21] <ratrace> half-beard: no, zvol is a permanent
block device
2243 [15:15:29] <half-beard> ah damn, the installer crashed. Okay
debootstrap it is
2244 [15:15:45] <half-beard> ratrace, I maent I'd remove it
after rsync, before I reboot
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2254 [15:20:34] <ratrace> half-beard: btw which live/rescue env
are you using, which has zfs available?
2255 [15:20:52] <half-beard> need to reboot
2256 [15:21:12] <half-beard> i installed ZFS into the live
environment
2257 [15:21:19] <half-beard> need to reboot cos this live
environment is borked
2258 [15:21:32] <ratrace> debian live env?
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2274 [15:26:41] <half-beard> I'm going to give KDE a go on
buster.
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2276 [15:26:47] <jim> half-beard, here's what you don't
understand yet... there have been a lot of projects that try to take
what debian started, and try to add, repurpose, reshape or otherwise
change it... and debian is already a fairly large distribution...
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2279 [15:27:40] <half-beard> jim, in relation to?
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2282 [15:28:22] <jim> half-beard, if you're running one of
the projects that are derived from debian, there's a hidden
expectation that the person you'd be asking to help you, knows
the derived project equally... and that's a big expectation
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2285 [15:29:47] <jim> half-beard, what dist do you run now, or do
you want to run?
2286 [15:29:49] <ratrace> difference between ubuntu and debian,
for zfs, is that zfs packages pre-built zfs ; debian needs dkms, and
currently there's a bug which requires you to install packages
in very specific order, spl-dkms first, then zfs-dkms, then
zfsutils-linux, which fails, modprobe zfs, then apt install -f ;
none of that is needed on ubuntu
2287 [15:30:03] <ratrace> so if this is really ubuntu, the above
recommendation would fail
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2290 [15:30:33] <greycat> And yet, people still somehow think
"Hot damn, I want to do this!~"
2291 [15:30:39] <greycat> Astonishing.
2292 [15:30:48] <ratrace> but then ubuntu's zfs is different,
patched to support a range of kernels and zfs versions
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2294 [15:30:57] <jim> ratrace, oh, ubuntu has yet another
packaging system?
2295 [15:31:07] <ratrace> greycat: well it's a bug :) only
apt install zfsutils-linux should suffice normally
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2297 [15:31:24] <ratrace> jim: ?
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2299 [15:31:34] <BCMM> opv: was going to suggest something on
those lines... if there's a finite white-list of functions that
something should perform, restrict it on that basis, rather than
attempting to blacklist specific malicious actions
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2301 [15:31:57] <jim> greycat, frankly, I was fairly surprised
that debian has added additional packaging systems... I would have
thought that was fairly insane
2302 [15:31:59] <ratrace> %s/zfs packages pre-built zfs/ubuntu
packages pre-built zfs/ lol
2303 [15:32:10] <tarzeau> why do people want zfs?
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2305 [15:32:20] <greycat> That's what I'm wondering too.
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2307 [15:32:28] * tarzeau is happy with xfs and btrfs (for the
compression part)
2308 [15:32:37] <kreyren> Looking for zoom software on debian
2309 [15:32:42] <jim> I don't know and not really wondering
at the moment :)
2310 [15:32:49] <tarzeau> and exfat
2311 [15:33:00] <tarzeau> kreyren: homepage of it?
2312 [15:33:03] <greycat> I think it's something related to
SNS.
2313 [15:33:07] <colo-work> tarzeau, because, for instance,
replaced-url
2314 [15:33:13] <kreyren> tarzeau, nah something that is able to
zoom on something on screen
2315 [15:33:31] <tarzeau> kreyren: a magnifier?
2316 [15:33:41] <kreyren> tarzeau, correct
2317 [15:33:43] <ratrace> people want zfs because they perceive
btrfs as broken ; and it's really about "why do people
want a CoW volume manager that protects against bitrot and has easy
to use snapshots"
2318 [15:34:10] <kreyren> tarzeau, ideally something that
doesn't follow mouse cursor so that i could use 8K scren
resolution for better workflow
2319 [15:34:33] <kreyren> tarzeau, and something that is full
screen
2320 [15:34:45] <tarzeau> kreyren: you've got an 8k screen?
2321 [15:34:58] <kreyren> tarzeau, yep
2322 [15:35:05] <kreyren> not currently in use tho
2323 [15:35:19] <tarzeau> because with linux it'd be of no
use, right :)
2324 [15:35:23] <greycat> I've seen a bunch of talk about zfs
so far, and AT NO POINT while reading any of it did the words
"easy to use" ever cross my mind.
2325 [15:35:26] <tarzeau> it's even hard to use 4k screens
with linux
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2328 [15:35:51] <kreyren> tarzeau, usecase is for xorg --scale
option so that i can zoom into 1080p on demand
2329 [15:35:53] <ratrace> greycat: "zfs snapshot
datasetname@snapshotname" what's easier than that? :)
2330 [15:35:56] <kreyren> or in 4K on demand
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2334 [15:37:34] <kreyren> ratrace, ideally using shortcut to zoom
in cursor's current position, but never follow mouse cursor..
2335 [15:37:52] <ratrace> I got a 35" curved AOC screen ; I
deliberately did not want 4k because I did not want to need a
magnifying glass (a literal, physical one), to hunt down what it
says on the screen :) 8k? if that thing is not at least 60"
then you'll need a microscope, not a magnifying glass
2336 [15:38:17] <ratrace> kreyren: maybe you meant tarzeau ? ;)
2337 [15:38:25] <kreyren> ratrace, yep sorry
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2339 [15:38:54] <tarzeau> we're with 32" 2560x1440 or
something like that
2340 [15:40:42] * kreyren confused
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2343 [15:42:29] <tarzeau> people can work without magnifying glass
with that resolution/size
2344 [15:43:44] <humpled> alt+mousewheel zooms sometimes
2345 [15:44:30] <hwm4rgs> i use 3800x1800 on 13" daily with
KDEs DPI scaling
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2347 [15:44:36] <hwm4rgs> and 125% default zoom in chrome
2348 [15:44:51] <tarzeau> i only have hidpi with retina hardware
2349 [15:45:01] <tarzeau> (and software)
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2358 [15:46:57] <wuseman> lmao, 3800x1800 on a 13" screen?
You must have eyes like an eagle, must be very small text
2359 [15:46:59] <kreyren> tarzeau, i can, but it's better
with it
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2368 [15:52:10] <Kocane69> Anyone got a suggestion for the best
way to adjust permissions on /dev/dri/card0 and /dev/dri/renderD128?
2369 [15:52:32] <Kocane69> Their groups are video and render but I
think execute permission is needed, and missing.
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2376 [15:58:04] <ratrace> Kocane69: for startx launched xorg?
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2384 [16:02:30] <Kocane69> ratrace it's just a server, where
I need em for hardware accelerated transcoding
2385 [16:02:31] <Kocane69> vaapi
2386 [16:02:50] <Kocane69> I guess a startup script that chmod 666
on the files could help but...
2387 [16:03:51] <ratrace> or put the user that needs access to
them, in those respective groups
2388 [16:03:52] <greycat> Kocane69: in Debian, management of the
ACLs of hardware device nodes (sound cards and such) is done during
login by the systemd stuff.
2389 [16:04:34] <greycat> Kocane69: Logins are tied to a concept
called "seats", etc. A console login is supposed to grant
access to the console hardware. An ssh login is not.
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2399 [16:13:06] <alkisg> They're not chmod'ed
/chown'ed by udev anymore?
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2404 [16:14:38] <choff> hi guys, i am confuse about how to change
locales in debian testing, i am following that
replaced-url
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2407 [16:17:26] <LtL> choff: use 'su -' to become root,
for now use /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure
2408 [16:17:48] <BCMM> is there a factoid for the change in su
behaviour?
2409 [16:17:53] <greycat> !buster su
2410 [16:17:54] <dpkg> The <su> command changed in buster:
it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See
replaced-url
2411 [16:18:06] <BCMM> ah, thanks
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2417 [16:20:31] <choff> LtL: thanks, it works!!
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2419 [16:20:46] <LtL> choff: welcome
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2422 [16:21:24] <LtL> Church-: be sure to read the factoid above.
2423 [16:21:35] <gamblr> anybody from nevada?
2424 [16:22:04] <tarzeau> !dir
2425 [16:22:04] <dpkg> wrong OS, foo. CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP
WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1
2426 [16:22:22] <tarzeau> meanwhile there's /bin/dir
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2428 [16:22:36] <tarzeau> comes from coreutils. i wonder why
2429 [16:22:57] <tarzeau> !pwsh
2430 [16:23:54] <greycat> dir(1) is GNU only, not POSIX... I can
only guess it was written to help DOS users adjust to their new
environment gently, but who knows
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2434 [16:25:42] <Wulf> gamblr: 7.7E9 people on the planet, 3E6
people in Nevada. 1538 people here. A (too simple) formula would be
3E6 / 7.7E9 * 1538 = 0.6. Assuming that most people here are not
from Asia and Nevada is a reasonable location for #debian people,
there is a really high chance. So let's assume "yes".
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2440 [16:27:27] <LtL> Church-: sorry about that.
2441 [16:28:37] <kreyren> !paranoia
2442 [16:28:37] <dpkg> methinks paranoia is good for you, or
doesn't mean they aren't out to get you, or you should
assume they are, though
2443 [16:28:50] <kreyren> meh
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2446 [16:29:39] <half-beard> ratrace, interesting. is that
specific order of when you install ZFS stuff on debian an issue for
booting?
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2448 [16:30:30] <ratrace> half-beard: no, that's just bug in
packaging
2449 [16:31:17] <half-beard> jim, well I've been running
18.04 as my development machine's OS because it seems to be
most compatible with most software I've wanted to install, then
debian for all my containers, VMs, embedded devices, chroots on
android and dedicated servers
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2451 [16:31:56] <half-beard> but now 18.04 is old and I feel that
ubuntu users are not particularly technical and have been enjoying
the level of expertise in #debian type of conversations
2452 [16:32:08] <half-beard> So I'm thinking to run Buster
KDE for my dev machine now
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2455 [16:32:54] <jim> half-beard, does that mean you're going
to wipe/reinstall?
2456 [16:33:01] <half-beard> jim, have already wiped
2457 [16:33:10] <half-beard> I'm in a live thing now hehe
2458 [16:33:14] <half-beard> nomans land
2459 [16:33:23] <half-beard> :_(
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2461 [16:33:34] <alkisg> You can move * to /old-installation, and
install over that, no need to wipe before install...
2462 [16:33:37] <ratrace> half-beard: just go debian 100% ; ubuntu
is making up another NIH tool nobody else is gonna use, for zfs with
zsys
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2465 [16:34:03] <half-beard> alkisg, I've been thinking of
trying root on ZFS
2466 [16:34:11] <half-beard> so that's why I wiped
2467 [16:34:15] <jim> I would have suggested you back up first...
but, here we are...
2468 [16:34:23] <half-beard> Also the possibility of a 40G windoze
partition for Overwatch
2469 [16:34:29] <alkisg> I'm thinking of migrating a school
from ubuntu to debian. Apart from the firmware and adding
contrib/non-free to sources.list, what else should I keep in mind?
2470 [16:34:32] <jim> do you have buster installation media?
2471 [16:34:40] <jhutchins_wk> Strange to receive a point release
notice more than a month in advance.
2472 [16:35:08] <ratrace> alkisg: that ubuntu has a lot of
ubuntu-specific kernel patches for hardware enablement
2473 [16:35:27] <alkisg> (the school computer lab will be
maintained by the IT teacher, I'll only help when they have
issues...)
2474 [16:35:28] <half-beard> ratrace, what method do you recommend
for installing buster on zfs?
2475 [16:35:44] <ratrace> half-beard: debootstrap
2476 [16:36:04] <half-beard> ratrace,
replaced-url
2477 [16:36:06] <alkisg> ratrace: thanks; I guess I'll see
that part upon installation... are peripheral devices like
printers/scanners/usb sticks affected?
2478 [16:36:13] <half-beard> do you mean with the above guide?
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2480 [16:37:01] <jhutchins_wk> alkisg: Do some test machines
first, see what you're actually dealing with rather than trying
to anticipate everything through speculation.
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2483 [16:37:51] <alkisg> jhutchins_wk: we using ltsp, so we only
install to 1 machine and netboot all others; I'll see about
hardware compatibility when I do that first installation; I was
wondering about other things that I won't see in the first
hour...
2484 [16:38:38] <alkisg> E.g. at some point gnome was using
cantarell in debian, and didn't even have greek glyphs; I filed
a bug report about it 5+ years ago but I'm not sure if it was
solved...
2485 [16:38:45] <ratrace> half-beard: i suppose so ; i
haven't read it in detail though at a glance it looks a bit....
overreaching
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2488 [16:38:55] <horribleprogram> sshing into my Debian just hangs
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2491 [16:39:25] <ratrace> horribleprogram: and if you use -v on
the client side? where does it stop
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2494 [16:40:32] <horribleprogram> Authenticataed to 192.168.0.10
([192.168.0.10]:22) ... a few debug1's ... debug1: sending env
LANG = en_CA.UTF-8
2495 [16:40:47] <horribleprogram> ohh after a few seconds
2496 [16:40:58] <horribleprogram> packet_write_wait: Connection to
192.168.0.10 port 22: Broken pipe
2497 [16:41:25] <horribleprogram> systemctl status ssh ->
active (running)
2498 [16:41:39] <horribleprogram> i just updated my OS through the
stupid ass GUI notification thingy
2499 [16:41:42] <horribleprogram> and it stopped working
2500 [16:41:44] <ratrace> horribleprogram: and journalctl -u
ssh.service ?
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2503 [16:42:41] <horribleprogram> Aug 01 10:39:43
horribleprogramDebian sshd[2176]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session
opened for user horribleprogram by (uid=0)
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2505 [16:43:15] <horribleprogram> lemme try restarting the service
2506 [16:43:24] <half-beard> ratrace, I thought it looked a bit
overboard
2507 [16:43:42] <half-beard> ratrace, what are the basic steps you
perform when you do a debian zfs install?
2508 [16:44:16] <half-beard> ratrace, would you say a debian live
ISO is required or could I do it from an ubuntu one? since it's
debootstrapping, ubuntu live should work?
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2513 [16:44:44] <half-beard> I'd be debootstrapping buster
onto the zfs
2514 [16:44:58] <ratrace> half-beard: essentially you need section
"2.4b LUKS", you don't need a separate bpool,
separating /var and friends into datasets is okay, but you'll
need legacy mounts, systemd has a race condition since it takes
zfs-mount.service to mount if not legacy
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2516 [16:45:13] <ratrace> half-beard: ubuntu live is okay
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2518 [16:45:38] <half-beard> ratrace, by legacy mounts do you mean
/etc/fstab?
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2520 [16:45:54] <ratrace> half-beard: yea
2521 [16:46:32] <ratrace> zfs is a .... weird kitchen sink.
normally you don't use mount(8) with it, but its own commands
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2523 [16:47:02] <half-beard> Yeah, I'm currently questioning
why I should even run root on ZFS at all
2524 [16:47:04] <ratrace> for that, there's a
zfs-mount.service that mounts the datasets, but that service is
started after systemd requires /var, /usr and other important bits,
thus you need legacy mounts via fstab which are done much earlier in
boot
2525 [16:47:09] <half-beard> makes life a lot more complicated
2526 [16:47:32] <half-beard> Perhaps I should just stick with LVM
for my roots and just keep using ZFS for VM's
2527 [16:47:42] <ratrace> half-beard: zfs on linux is pretty much
broken ; especially due to its license, its future compatibility
with the linux kernel is questionable
2528 [16:47:49] <ratrace> half-beard: btrfs ain't that bad
2529 [16:48:13] <half-beard> yeah, I'm thinking because zfs
on linux is so uncertain... I like being able to boot reliably.
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2532 [16:48:27] <half-beard> I'd rather use ZFS for VM's
and so on.
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2535 [16:48:42] <half-beard> At least if there's an issue I
can still boot.
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2537 [16:49:07] <ratrace> it'll be interesting to see how zfs
goes with debian 10.1 ; it incldues 4.19.38+ kernel which breaks
zfs, which needs simd patched out ::: there's a patch with
newer fixes for 5.x and ported kernels, dunno if it'll be
included, it's deemed "new feature"
2538 [16:49:22] <ratrace> so yeah... interesting times ahead for
zfs on debian
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2549 [16:56:17] <jhutchins_wk> What's wrong with ext4?
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2551 [16:57:29] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: no interesting features
like compression, snapshots, bitrot protection
2552 [16:58:05] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, but it works. LVM if you want
snapshots. compression is a minefield.
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2554 [16:58:48] <ratrace> lvm snapshots are very buggy and
functionally not the same as CoW snapshots ala btrfs/zfs
2555 [16:59:01] <ratrace> why is compression a minefield?
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2558 [16:59:40] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: Because you have a
deliberately unrealistic notion of available space based on
projected compression efficiency.
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2560 [16:59:54] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: you havent' used zfs
then :)
2561 [17:00:02] <ratrace> zfs is used by many
professional/enterprise storage appliance vendors ; albeit based on
FreeNAS :: on FreeBSD ZFS reigns supreme
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2565 [17:01:08] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: on btrfs compression is
hard to track because btrfs deals with extents and can actually have
very mixed profiles within single filesystem (single, dup, raidX,
...)
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2567 [17:01:31] <ratrace> zfs does no such thing and works at
block level, with vdevs, and can easily track free space,
compression
2568 [17:02:01] <ratrace> but then your vdev is fixed, you
can't enlarge it etc... so it's a balance of features ;
can't have both
2569 [17:02:26] <bindi> half-beard: nothing uncertain about
zfsonlinux
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2589 [17:10:57] <GenTooMan> I am using debian Buster, I was
attempting to run nrsc5 when I received this mess "Please fix
the device permissions, e.g. by installing the udev rules file
rtl-sdr.rules", whereas I know where the rules are etc.
it's weird they aren't already their as I installed the
drivers...
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2594 [17:11:43] <petn-randall> GenTooMan: Which package is this?
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2598 [17:13:50] <GenTooMan> petn-randall rtl-sdr/Software defined
radio receiver for Realtek RTL2832U (tools)|librtlsdr0/Software
defined radio receiver for Realtek RTL2832U
(library)|librtlsdr-dev/Software defined radio receiver for Realtek
RTL2832U (development)
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2602 [17:15:58] <petn-randall> Maybe the udev rules have some side
effects? Might be documented in the README.Debian.
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2606 [17:19:01] <GenTooMan> hmmm I don't remember this
problem in stretch well the rules are located in /lib/udev/rules.d I
will reread the rules debian documentation, it's weird because
I found the RULES (searching) file but it's not installed.
I'll have to reinit udev too.. argh.
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2665 [17:50:47] <half-beard> bindi, what I meant about the
uncertainty, is that you might find your system doesn't boot
after an upgrade
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2667 [17:50:58] <half-beard> not that it won't work in the
long term. I know it will.
2668 [17:51:04] <half-beard> anyways, gonna reboot
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2724 [18:38:44] <grobi> hello !:)
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2728 [18:40:50] <grobi> since some days the trackpoint buttons of
my t420 or right- and middle- mouseclick doesn't work any
longer.
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2732 [18:42:01] <grobi> could this probably be due to one of the
last update and upgrade of stretch ?
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2736 [18:45:54] <diogenes_> grobi, it could.
2737 [18:46:04] <Vanfanel> /msg NickServ identify brightblade
2738 [18:46:07] <Vanfanel> oops, sorry
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2740 [18:46:39] <diogenes_> Vanfanel, cobgrats, now we all know
your password :)
2741 [18:46:46] <diogenes_> cobrats*
2742 [18:46:47] <grobi> diogenes_: did you experience the same??
2743 [18:46:55] <Vanfanel> diogenes_: yeah, so it seems XD
2744 [18:47:08] <diogenes_> grobi, no i don't because i never
upgrade.
2745 [18:47:18] <grobi> :)
2746 [18:47:22] <msdoof> yeah it is great, that also happened to
me and it was the same password as my e-mail-account and i did not
change after posting it to irc :)
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2748 [18:47:59] <grobi> do you have any hint, where to look?
2749 [18:48:47] <diogenes_> grobi, apt list --installed | grep
synaptics
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2751 [18:48:51] <diogenes_> what do you get?
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2753 [18:49:58] <grobi> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI
interface. Use with caution in scripts.
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2755 [18:50:10] <diogenes_> is that all?
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2758 [18:50:45] <grobi> yes
2759 [18:51:01] <Vanfanel> I am having a strange problem with a
minimal Debian buster install: apt-get says "Unable to acquire
the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another
process using it?", but the system just booted and there are no
graphical frontends to apt in this system. If I delete
/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend, apt-get creates it again when I run it,
and fails.... any idea?
2760 [18:51:10] <diogenes_> grand now: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
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2762 [18:51:21] <diogenes_> sorry grobi ^^^^
2763 [18:51:57] <EoflaOE> Vanfanel: Pastebin the output of fuser
/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
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2765 [18:52:13] <grobi> x11
2766 [18:52:26] <diogenes_> grobi, ok now: sudo apt install
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
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2770 [18:53:34] <grobi> diogenes_: i did
2771 [18:53:35] <alkisg> Vanfanel: automatic updates? is apt
running on boot? check with ps
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2774 [18:53:49] <diogenes_> grobi, now reboot and it should be
fine.
2775 [18:54:11] <grobi> ok, fine thank you diogenes_ :)
2776 [18:54:28] <diogenes_> no problem, hopefully it worked :)
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2781 [18:54:50] <Vanfanel> EoflaOE: fuser
/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend does not show anything
2782 [18:54:57] <Vanfanel> the file DOES exist, however
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2785 [18:55:28] <EoflaOE> Vanfanel: Can you try the same command
but with sudo in the beginning?
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2787 [18:55:31] <Vanfanel> alkisg: there is not automatic updates
or any other service running apt automatically. The lock file is
created WHEN I run apt
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2789 [18:55:51] <Vanfanel> EoflaOE: I am root, its the only user
on that small system I am building
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2791 [18:56:22] <Vanfanel> EoflaOE: it seems the lock file is
created when I run apt... not before
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2793 [18:56:41] <Vanfanel> but it causes apt (well, dpkg) to fail
2794 [18:56:49] <alkisg> Vanfanel: what file system are you using?
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2797 [18:56:58] <Vanfanel> alkisg: EXT4
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2799 [18:57:52] <Vanfanel> strangely enough, it does not happen on
a chrooted session to the same rootfs: if I am chrooted, apt works
well
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2801 [18:58:40] <Vanfanel> could it be kernel-related? I had to
build a custom small 4.19 kernel and disabled a lot of filesystem
options
2802 [18:58:49] <jmcnaught> Vanfanel: is the unattended-upgrades
package installed?
2803 [18:59:05] <Vanfanel> jmcnaught: nope
2804 [18:59:23] <alkisg> Vanfanel: play with the "flock"
command to see if locks work fine
2805 [18:59:34] <Vanfanel> as I said, the lock seems to be created
by apt itself...
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2808 [19:01:27] <ratrace> Vanfanel: "I had to build a custom
small 4.19 kernel and disabled a lot of filesystem options" ::
like what?
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2813 [19:02:58] <grobi> diogenes_: it did not work..
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2815 [19:04:13] <diogenes_> grobi, then create a new user, it
might be some misconfigs and if it works with the new user, then the
problem lies in your /home/user/.
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2817 [19:04:32] <grobi> aha ok
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2823 [19:06:36] <Vanfanel> ratrace: like EXT4 ACCESS CONTROL
LISTS, Security labels, encryption, debugging... no one of these was
needed with an Stretch system for APT/DPKG to work
2824 [19:08:35] <Vanfanel> alkisg: flock seems to work fine.
Anything special to try?
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2838 [19:19:56] <Akuw> what software is there to copy iso to usb?
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2843 [19:24:36] <grobi> diogenes_ it also didn't work with
the new user so it is possibly not a misconfig..
2844 [19:24:59] <jhutchins_wk> Vanfanel: Does ps ax | grep apt
show anything?
2845 [19:25:01] <jhutchins_wk> ?
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2847 [19:25:05] <jhutchins_wk> ?
2848 [19:25:14] <jhutchins_wk> Gah, sorry.
2849 [19:25:45] <Vanfanel> jhutchins_wk: no, I tried just in case
some scrip/service/whatever was using apt, but no, the lock is
created only when I manually run apt
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2851 [19:26:58] <jhutchins_wk> Vanfanel: Can you try apt-get?
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2853 [19:27:13] <Vanfanel> jhutchins_wk: I have tried several
times, with the same result
2854 [19:27:31] <jhutchins_wk> Vanfanel: It soulds like something
could be wrong with the database.
2855 [19:27:49] <jhutchins_wk> Vanfanel: It's creating the
lock, crashing, and not cleaning up.
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2857 [19:28:30] <jhutchins_wk> I don't understand what you
said about chroot though, are you building a new system from an old
one, or are you chroot'ing to / ?
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2866 [19:33:50] <Vanfanel> jhutchins_wk: I am chrooting to the /
of a system I am creating from debootstrap, the target system is
aarch64
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2874 [19:39:26] <useretail> hey guys, how to fix broken apt?
i'm getting libgl1 : Depends: libglx0 (= 1.1.0-1) but it is not
going to be installed, but it's installed
2875 [19:39:44] <useretail> libgl1-mesa-glx : Depends:
libglx-mesa0 but it is not going to be installed
2876 [19:39:50] <useretail> libkf5coreaddons5 : Breaks:
libkf5auth5 (< 5.54) but 5.28.0-2+deb9u1 is to be installed
2877 [19:39:56] <useretail> Breaks: libkf5globalaccel-bin (<
5.54) but 5.28.0-1 is to be installed
2878 [19:40:01] <useretail> libkf5crash5 : Breaks:
libkf5globalaccel-bin (< 5.54) but 5.28.0-1 is to be installed
2879 [19:40:07] <useretail> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve
generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
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2881 [19:40:37] <jmcnaught> useretail: please use
replaced-url
2882 [19:40:40] <jmcnaught> !bat
2883 [19:40:40] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2885 [19:41:07] <ZaZaGX> Debian 10 is my new favor linux base
operating system
2886 [19:41:25] <dvs> why?
2887 [19:41:36] <weedloser> lol
2888 [19:41:49] <dvs> just curious
2889 [19:41:55] <useretail> jmcnaught, sure, sorry about that
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2891 [19:42:26] <ZaZaGX> Well, in the Big Bang Theory sitcom.
Sheldon Cooper says its Ubuntu is his favor.
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2893 [19:42:36] <weedloser> hahahah
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2895 [19:42:50] <ZaZaGX> you can even youtube it
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2899 [19:43:41] <weedloser> sheldon cooper from big bong theory is
my favourite technology advisor
2900 [19:43:58] <Kocane> Anyone using ZFS on Debian who can help
me figure out how to ensure that ZFS pool is mounted before a
service start? Should [Unit] After = local-fs.target
zfs-import.target be sufficient?
2901 [19:44:01] <dvs> O_O
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2904 [19:46:30] <useretail> here is complete pastebin:
replaced-url
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2906 [19:46:49] <useretail> is there a command that allows to
re-install package and/or fix cache?
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2913 [19:49:48] <jmcnaught> useretail: which release of Debian is
this?
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2915 [19:51:04] <useretail> it was debian 9 which is unable to
upgrade itself to 10 because of dependency problems
2916 [19:51:25] <Ede|Popede> is there something like diff for
strings instead of lines?
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2920 [19:51:39] <useretail> so it's 9 with 60-70% packages
from 10
2921 [19:51:57] <jmcnaught> useretail: so you are in the middle of
the stretch→buster upgrade? Can you make pastes of the rest of
the information requested by dpkg in the !bat factoid?
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2931 [19:56:34] <useretail> jmcnaught,
replaced-url
2932 [19:56:38] <useretail>
replaced-url
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2941 [19:59:15] <jmcnaught> useretail: so are you partway through
a Debian 9 to 10 upgrade? What does "apt upgrade" want to
do? Also I strongly recommend to use codenames in your sources.list
('buster' not 'stable')
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2948 [20:01:24] <useretail> jmcnaught, 9 upgraded, 1 newly
installed, 0 to remove and 770 not upgraded. Need to get 414 MB/417
MB of archives.
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2950 [20:01:54] <jmcnaught> useretail: did you do "apt
full-upgrade" (also were you following the upgrade instructions
in the release notes?)
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2953 [20:02:48] <useretail> jmcnaught, no, only apt upgrade. i
can't upgrade those 770 packages because of the dependency
errors
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2955 [20:04:10] <jmcnaught> useretail: can you show the output of
'apt full-upgrade' so we have a clearer idea of what you
mean?
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2974 [20:20:40] <useretail> jmcnaught, it's running now. will
show output asap
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2980 [20:26:48] <Vanfanel> Could recent versions of DPKG depend on
some obscure kernel option on which it did not depend before?
Related to file locking, since thats what I am having problems wit
2981 [20:26:52] <Vanfanel> *with
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2991 [20:31:10] <karlpinc> I'm curious why debootstrap does
not install the "locales" package. (My chroot was unhappy
until I installed locales and did a dpkg-reconfigure.)
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2993 [20:32:38] <vlt> karlpinc: debootstrap without --include=...
only installs a very basic system.
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3001 [20:40:21] <alkisg> karlpinc: if you chroot and use LANG=C or
C.UTF-8, it shouldn't be unhappy, even without locales
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3003 [20:40:57] <greycat> "unhappy" means it worked well
enough that you were able to chroot in and install the locales you
wanted
3004 [20:41:34] <greycat> somewhat different from "not
working"
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3024 [20:49:18] <Vanfanel> It seems flock was not working well
after all :( I left FILE LOCKING API deactivated in the kernel.
Stupid thing to do!
3025 [20:49:28] <Vanfanel> Thanks to all who tried to help me
3026 [20:49:39] <Vanfanel> apt-get is working now!
3027 [20:49:39] <alkisg> :)
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3029 [20:50:07] <Vanfanel> building custom small kernels is a can
or worms :D
3030 [20:50:15] <Vanfanel> an eeeeendlesss can or worms
3031 [20:50:24] <Vanfanel> but its fun,somehow
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3033 [20:51:04] <sid> I have a problem with chromium on debian sid
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3035 [20:51:37] <sid> No extensions work and keep crashing
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3038 [20:52:15] <alkisg> Vanfanel: with the stock jessie kernel,
I'm getting only 8 MB RAM used right after boot, how much
smaller do you need it, or is it about space, not RAM?
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3041 [20:52:37] <Vanfanel> alkisg: its about space, not RAM :P
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3043 [20:53:13] <alkisg> oki
3044 [20:53:14] <Vanfanel> alkisg: also, I use buster, not jessie,
with a 4.19 kernel
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3046 [20:53:36] <alkisg> Yeah, it was the one that I remembered
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3048 [20:53:49] <alkisg> I imagine 4.19 won't need a lot more
3049 [20:53:59] <alkisg> But since it's space, not ram, nvm
3050 [20:54:07] <jhutchins_wk> alkisg: Probably a good idea to
upgrade to at least stretch soon.
3051 [20:54:42] <jhutchins_wk> alkisg: After releases get too
stale it gets hard to get support upgrading them.
3052 [20:54:45] <alkisg> jhutchins_wk: I have about 20 vms, I want
to be able to test software in various distro/versions...
3053 [20:54:54] <jhutchins_wk> Hm
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3055 [20:55:34] <jhutchins_wk> alkisg: Well, good of you to keep
supporting the old releases then.
3056 [20:55:44] <alkisg> :)
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3080 [21:09:22] <grobi> diogenes_: also on a new user the middle-
and the right- click buttons of the thinkpad trackpoint won't
work
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3083 [21:09:57] <diogenes_> grobi, what DE?
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3088 [21:10:31] <grobi> is there a possibility to test if they
work at all??
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3090 [21:10:46] <grobi> meinst du auf deutsch?
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3092 [21:11:13] <dvs> What Desktop Environment
3093 [21:11:18] <dvs> (DE)
3094 [21:12:18] <diogenes_> and there is a possibility, if it
worked in the previous version before upgrading then write a usb
with the previous version and boot a live session.
3095 [21:12:21] <grobi> aha :) i use two things xfce (my default)
but mostly i use my i3wm session
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3158 [21:47:54] <ILikeTrainsBecau> I like trains
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3160 [21:49:54] <ILikeTrainsBecau> I REALLY like trains
3161 [21:49:59] <ZaZaGX> Sheldon Cooper likes trains
3162 [21:50:07] <ILikeTrainsBecau> I guess
3163 [21:50:08] <ILikeTrainsBecau> so
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3169 [21:54:48] <ZaZaGX> that person was weird
3170 [21:55:06] <greycat> And also offtopic. For future reference,
discussion of trains goes to #debian-offtopic.
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3175 [21:58:01] <vishal> could someone point me to a URL for the
debian 10 default kernel config? (x86_64 fwiw)
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3180 [22:00:46] <vishal> alternatively cat /boot/config-$(uname
-r) | dpaste or so should work too from anyone running debian 10
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3182 [22:02:29] <greycat>
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3185 [22:02:55] <vishal> thanks greycat!
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3191 [22:05:39] <vishal> greycat: hm, that seems incomplete? (only
246 lines)
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3194 [22:05:51] <vishal> are there other sources that append to
this?
3195 [22:06:30] <vishal> Ah I see config/config in that hierarchy
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3200 [22:09:02] <greycat> I have no idea how it works. It was the
first thing I found.
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3206 [22:10:13] <vishal> I *think* I found everything I was
looking for in the configs dir. A pastebin from someone running it
on amd64 would be nice for confirmation though.
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3208 [22:10:40] <diogenes_> the config is also present in the
.disk dir on debian iso.
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3210 [22:11:28] <vishal> right, I didn't have an iso or an
install on hand, I figured someone here must be running it that I
can snag a paste off
3211 [22:11:43] <diogenes_> vishal, wait i'm uloading it.
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3213 [22:12:33] <diogenes_> my bad, it's not in the .disk but
in the live/ dir.
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3220 [22:15:11] <diogenes_> vishal, ok here:
replaced-url
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3222 [22:15:22] <diogenes_> 8638 lines.
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3227 [22:17:31] <vishal> diogenes_: thanks!
3228 [22:17:41] <diogenes_> yw
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3235 [22:21:33] <TradeGirl97> +++ Anyone wants trading? Add me and
let's trade nudes:::
replaced-url
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3238 [22:22:05] <diogenes_> again trains
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3254 [22:29:41] <n00buser> when booting debian 10 i see a message
"resuming from hibernation" and after that black screen
with cursor
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3258 [22:30:22] <n00buser> any ideas where to look?
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3265 [22:31:26] <n00buser> how to disable hibernation and do a
fresh boot?
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3268 [22:33:03] <humpled> so you don't get to log in at all?
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3270 [22:33:46] <n00buser> humpled, sddm starts, but i don't
see login screen
3271 [22:34:04] <nunllk> one question regarding debian install: I
am installing on a clean pc without any OS installed but still the
installer says that he found "other os installed in BIOS
mode", why?
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3273 [22:35:27] <diogenes_> n00buser, /ect/default/grub remove the
resume=xxx line and then sudo update-grub
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3275 [22:35:42] <diogenes_> /etc/default/grub*
3276 [22:35:50] <nunllk> im using the graphical installer
3277 [22:36:00] <nunllk> what do i do to achieve what u are
suggesting?
3278 [22:36:01] <Bushmills> nunllk: a remainder of a previously
installed OS - it's partition may still be there, and Debian
installer concludes from its presence that there must be another
system
3279 [22:36:16] <nunllk> i disconnected all other drives
3280 [22:36:21] <nunllk> only the clean drive is connected
3281 [22:36:52] <Bushmills> any partitions on that clean drive?
3282 [22:36:56] <n00buser> diogenes_, well, there's no such
line
3283 [22:36:58] <diogenes_> nunllk, because bios still keeps
it's record on that drive i suppose.
3284 [22:37:06] <nunllk> no partitoons on the drive
3285 [22:37:09] <nunllk> fully wiped
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3287 [22:37:54] <n00buser> nunllk, you may have other drives (just
guessing)
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3289 [22:38:02] <nunllk> i wrote zeros to the drive that is
conncted
3290 [22:38:08] <nunllk> and no other drive is connected
3291 [22:38:19] <diogenes_> n00buser, you checked
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=?
3292 [22:38:29] <nunllk> the only sata cable on my board is the
one coming from the clean, wiped drive
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3294 [22:38:35] <greycat> nunllk: I'd let it finish the
install, then see what the GRUB menu says it found
3295 [22:38:39] <nunllk> the mssd i put out too
3296 [22:38:39] <n00buser> diogenes_, it says only
"quiet"
3297 [22:38:53] <diogenes_> n00buser, what DE?
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3299 [22:39:02] <nunllk> i want to make sure that i am installing
clean
3300 [22:39:14] <nunllk> and i cant explain myself why debian
installer is popping that warning
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3303 [22:39:34] <nunllk> so only remainings of old systems could
be in bios
3304 [22:39:37] <nunllk> i guess?
3305 [22:39:51] <diogenes_> nunllk, are you installing in uefi or
legacy mode?
3306 [22:39:55] <nunllk> in uefi
3307 [22:39:57] <greycat> again, the easiest way to find out what
it found, is to look and see what it writes to the GRUB menu
3308 [22:40:00] <humbot> how did you make the installer?
3309 [22:40:01] <n00buser>
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"
3310 [22:40:10] <diogenes_> nunllk, then make sure your drive is
gpt formatted.
3311 [22:40:23] <n00buser> diogenes_, if that's what
you're asking
3312 [22:40:26] <nunllk> you mean the clean wiped drive?
3313 [22:40:38] <nunllk> or the installer usb stick?
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3315 [22:40:42] <diogenes_> n00buser, DE=Desktop Environment
3316 [22:40:49] <n00buser> diogenes_, KDE
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3318 [22:41:30] <nunllk> ok i will reformat usb and give the wiped
drive gpt
3319 [22:41:32] <nunllk> then test again
3320 [22:41:38] <humbot> maybe if a usb installer was made with a
3rd party tool instead of cp or dd, it would look like an OS
3321 [22:42:28] <nunllk> what is the recommended way of making
netinst usb stick?
3322 [22:42:33] <nunllk> im on debian now too
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3324 [22:42:51] <dvs> nunllk, either cp or dd
3325 [22:42:59] <nunllk> k
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3328 [22:44:20] <mtn> n00buser: when it stops booting, does
ctrl+alt+f3 work?
3329 [22:45:07] <diogenes_> n00buser, you can try to disable swap
and see if you get the same thing.
3330 [22:45:09] <n00buser> mtn, it starts sddm and after that
stops. yes
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3332 [22:45:28] <mtn> n00buser: it sounds like a video driver
problem. did you change drivers?
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3335 [22:47:29] <n00buser> mtn, i already tried nouveau.modeset=0
and update-grub. nothing
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3337 [22:47:53] <mtn> n00buser: did you change drivers? or is this
a new install?
3338 [22:47:53] <n00buser> diogenes_, a comment in /etc/fstab
enough?
3339 [22:48:07] <diogenes_> yes
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3341 [22:48:24] <n00buser> diogenes_, no changes
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3343 [22:48:50] <diogenes_> did you reboot?
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3347 [22:49:29] <n00buser> diogenes_, sure. after reboot it even
remembers cursor position :)
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3349 [22:49:46] <diogenes_> do you dual boot with win btw?
3350 [22:49:47] <n00buser> mtn, no. it was apt full-upgrade
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3353 [22:50:05] <mtn> n00buser: were you running the nvidia
driver?
3354 [22:50:06] <n00buser> diogenes_, no, just debian 10
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3356 [22:50:17] <diogenes_> also disable session save.
3357 [22:50:18] <n00buser> mtn, yes
3358 [22:50:45] <diogenes_> and clear the sessions.
3359 [22:50:48] <mtn> n00buser: it didn't build the nvidia
module and you need to reinstall the driver
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3361 [22:51:09] <n00buser> diogenes_, any hints how to do this?
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3363 [22:51:43] <diogenes_> rm ~/.cache/sessions
3364 [22:52:02] <diogenes_> rm ~/.cache/sessions/*
3365 [22:52:03] <n00buser> mtn, but i see the cursor
3366 [22:52:29] <mtn> n00buser: you will see that without the
nvidia driver working.
3367 [22:54:35] <Vanfanel> Do you guys know where is the
"Debian GNU/Linux 10" message printed on ttys?
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3369 [22:55:04] <Habbie> Vanfanel, do you mean /etc/issue ?
3370 [22:55:11] <n00buser> mtn, how to check if driver is loaded?
3371 [22:55:18] <Vanfanel> Habbie: quite possibly, thanks!! :)
3372 [22:55:26] <Habbie> Vanfanel, also /etc/issue.netthen
3373 [22:55:29] <Habbie> Vanfanel, also /etc/issue.net then
3374 [22:55:40] <Habbie> Vanfanel, also 'man issue' then
:)
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3376 [22:55:55] <mtn> n00buser: I install inxi and run: inxi -Gx
3377 [22:56:00] <n00buser> diogenes_, no changes
3378 [22:57:29] <n00buser> mtn, it says driver: nvidia v:340.107
3379 [22:57:59] <mtn> n00buser: I still think the driver needs to
be reinstalled. why not try it?
3380 [22:59:00] <n00buser> mtn, well, it's proprietary +
obsolete and is not available from debian repos anymore
3381 [22:59:05] <nunllk> fixed!
3382 [22:59:12] <nunllk> i made usb stick with dd
3383 [22:59:20] <nunllk> and gave the clean disk gpt partition
scheme
3384 [22:59:26] <nunllk> ty boyz xD
3385 [22:59:29] <diogenes_> n00buser, then only 3 things that come
to mind are: 1) look in /etc/X11/ and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for any
suspicious configs 2) rename ~/.config folder 3) sudo apt purge
nvidia*
3386 [22:59:42] <mtn> n00buser: did you try booting with nomodeset
in grub?
3387 [22:59:45] <greycat> I see lots of packages with
"nvidia" and "340" in their names.
3388 [22:59:53] <nunllk> btw
3389 [22:59:56] <Vanfanel> Habbie: Do you happen to know what
service allows CTRL+ALT+Fn TTY changing??
3390 [22:59:59] <nunllk> do you recommend using LVM?
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3392 [23:00:24] <greycat> Vanfanel: That's the Linux kernel
itself, but it's configured by some voodoo deep inside
systemd...
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3395 [23:01:02] <Vanfanel> greycat: thing is, I have disabled
every uneeded service, and now I can NOT change to different TTYs
3396 [23:01:10] <greycat> E.g. Ctrl-Alt-F8 takes me to tty8 but
there is nothing *running* on tty8, so I just get the black screen
with cursor.
3397 [23:01:31] <greycat> So the actual
switching-of-virtual-consoles is done by Linux itself, and the lack
of anything running there is (not) done by systemd units.
3398 [23:02:17] <greycat> And there is probably some way to tell
Linux "only support 6 virtual consoles, not 24" or
whatever. I do not happen to know what that might be.
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3405 [23:05:25] <n00buser> greycat, my chipset is not supported in
newer versions of proprietary drivers
3406 [23:05:42] <n00buser> mtn, just tried. nothing
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3410 [23:07:16] <greycat> /etc/default/console-setup has
ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]"
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3412 [23:07:27] <Vanfanel> greycat: I have fixed the problem. I
dont use static TTYs, so I only have those enabled as services by
me. And I had forgot to enable the tty2 :D
3413 [23:07:29] <Vanfanel> thanks!!
3414 [23:07:37] <greycat> which may or may not control the number
of gettys that get spawned, who the heck knows
3415 [23:08:20] <greycat> I also know that getty@.service is
involved somehow.
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3418 [23:10:08] <Habbie> Vanfanel, as was basically said -
it's a kernel feature, but it relies on those ttys actually
having something running, which these days is indeed managed by
systemd
3419 [23:10:13] <Vanfanel> greycat: if the static ttys are
disabled, well, only those launched by getty@.service are spawned
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3443 [23:28:36] <n00buser> diogenes_, just did all 3 steps, no
changes
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3447 [23:30:03] <Akuw> i just created a yumi usb boot debian but
cant boot
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3450 [23:31:02] <Akuw> i used 2 diferents USB pendrives
3451 [23:31:06] <Akuw> none cant boot
3452 [23:31:16] <Akuw> is the first time it happen
3453 [23:31:39] <Akuw> i used 2 diferent software to create
booteable usb pendrive
3454 [23:31:45] <n00buser> Akuw, you should dd the iso to your usb
drive
3455 [23:31:46] <Habbie> Akuw, have you booted from usb on that
machine before?
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3458 [23:32:17] <Akuw> i am trying in 2 diferent, one laptop and
server
3459 [23:32:29] <Akuw> both has boot from USB configures
3460 [23:32:44] <Akuw> i made this many tmes, but now is not
possible to boot
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3463 [23:32:55] <n00buser> Akuw, use dd to transfer the image to
usb
3464 [23:33:15] <n00buser> or check with another usb
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3467 [23:34:09] <nunllk> anyone hint me to the package for
mainboard chipdrivers for AB350?
3468 [23:34:10] <Akuw> this --> dd if='debian.iso'
of=/dev/sdc bs=4096
3469 [23:34:45] <greycat> I prefer a larger block size, 64k or
more
3470 [23:35:17] <n00buser> Akuw, yes
3471 [23:35:19] <greycat> or you could just use cp and let it
choose the block size
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3473 [23:36:44] <Akuw> why using yumi or rufus i cant boot?
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3475 [23:36:55] <greycat> !rufus
3476 [23:36:56] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
3477 [23:37:14] <greycat> !yumi
3478 [23:37:14] <dpkg> yumi is probably a tool that can make
bootable usb device. It is not recommended for use with Debian
CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual
ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid
images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>
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3483 [23:40:59] <nunllk> firmware-amd-graphics,
firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-misc-nonfree firmware-realtek and
nvidia-driver included all drivers i needed
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