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• 2[00:02:43] <slick> teraflops i am sure
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• 4[00:03:09] <teraflops> slick: then I have no idea tbh
• 5[00:03:39] <slick> tried manually symlinking it
• 6[00:03:46] <slick> that didnt work as well
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• 10[00:06:28] <teraflops> slick: do you have display-manager.service symlinked to anything?
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• 12[00:07:11] <slick> yes, lightdm
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• 14[00:07:50] <teraflops> :S
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• 16[00:08:02] <teraflops> slick: give try to dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
• 17[00:08:58] <slick> alright i will
• 18[00:09:18] <slick> i gtg thanks for the assistencd
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• 34[00:15:48] <wmchris> Hi, I need some help with openvpn on my Debian machine. Pretty sure its not openvpn related, more a problem with my bridging and Debian itself. Openvpn connects fine, but I can't ping the openvpn server or the client from within the bridge. Firewall is disabled, comp-lzo is enabled on client and server. I dunno how I could debug this, because my log files and my routing tables look fine
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• 39[00:16:55] <wmchris> Iptables is completely flushed, so no firewall on it either.
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• 44[00:23:03] <Brigo> wmchris, wireshark
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• 47[00:24:29] <wmchris> never used Wireshark by an ssh connection and tbh - I'm not skilled enough to interpret these log files :(
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• 49[00:26:29] <wmchris> But seems like I don't need to use Wireshark, because I can see in the openvpn verbose output that a ping is send using TCP.... But nothing gets to the other side.
• 50[00:26:32] <Brigo> wmchris, anyway, my first guess would be the routing.
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• 53[00:27:16] <wmchris> Thought so by myself, but the routing tables look fine
• 54[00:27:42] <wmchris> replaced-url
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• 56[00:28:21] <teraflops> wmchris: you do openvpn in bridge mode?
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• 58[00:28:26] <wmchris> yes
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• 60[00:29:04] <wmchris> bridge tcp tap
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• 63[00:29:23] <teraflops> openvpn in tcp mode, not udp?
• 64[00:29:33] <wmchris> yes
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• 68[00:29:53] <teraflops> well I have a similar setup but udp and works pretty well
• 69[00:30:28] <teraflops> wmchris: mind sharing the ouput of ip a ?
• 70[00:30:32] <teraflops> output
• 71[00:30:35] <wmchris> On server or client?
• 72[00:30:42] <teraflops> on server and client
• 73[00:30:52] <wmchris> Client is OS X, doesn't have the ip command sadly
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• 75[00:31:13] <teraflops> whatever lists the ip addresses an devices
• 76[00:31:25] <teraflops> ipconfig?
• 77[00:31:28] <wmchris> replaced-url
• 78[00:31:30] <wmchris> ifconfig
• 79[00:31:32] <teraflops> ok
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• 82[00:31:57] <wmchris> replaced-url
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• 85[00:34:06] <wmchris> Tunnel is enabled right now, openvpn is connected, but still can't ping
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• 93[00:38:47] <wmchris> I had such setups working in the past, too. But It just doesn't work on this machine as host. But I really need to forward one of the public ips to another machine :/
• 94[00:40:15] <teraflops> wmchris: looks fine at least tap master is br1 and you get a proper ip in the client
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• 96[00:40:33] <teraflops> so looks like a routing issue
• 97[00:40:45] <teraflops> can you ping from the server to the client?
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• 100[00:41:14] <wmchris> I can't ping, but I see on the openvpn that the ping is sent thru the tunnel and received on the server, but never answered
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• 105[00:43:09] <teraflops> wmchris: no idea y have big bridge there too with a bunch of :1 :2, you have to debug your routing
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• 107[00:43:28] <teraflops> you^
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• 110[00:44:04] <wmchris> replaced-url
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• 112[00:44:49] <wmchris> teraflops: this bridge is the public server, was eth0 before, just added the bridge because in the end this is what I want to tunnel -> an public ip of eth0 to the client
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• 115[00:46:47] <wmchris> teraflops: and still the routes look fine, the ping seems to be transmitted, so I think the problem is the bridge itself :(
• 116[00:48:37] <teraflops> wmchris: what's the addressing on the client lan?
• 117[00:48:56] <wmchris> Sorry what do you mean with addressing?
• 118[00:49:00] <teraflops> it's same as in the address pool the server is offering?
• 119[00:49:05] <wmchris> (English is not my native lang)
• 120[00:49:27] <teraflops> 192.168.10/24 172.16.0.0/16 ?
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• 122[00:49:54] <wmchris> my network ip on my client is 10.0/16, bridge is 172.18.0/24
• 123[00:50:03] <teraflops> oh , ok
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• 125[00:50:42] <wmchris> And as I said, I can see the ping traveling from my client to the openvpn and be written to the bridge, but then it vanishes...
• 126[00:51:28] <teraflops> wmchris: you said you iptables -F ?
• 127[00:51:43] <teraflops> you need at least 3 iptables rules
• 128[00:52:02] <wmchris> Iptables -F is completely empty
• 129[00:52:18] <wmchris> It full flushed and everything is set to accept.
• 130[00:52:21] <teraflops> iptables -A INPUT -i tap0 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -i br0 -j ACCEPT and iptables -A FORWARD -i br0 -j ACCEPT
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• 132[00:52:55] <teraflops> changing the device names for matching yours obv
• 133[00:53:20] <wmchris> Done, still same
• 134[00:54:03] <teraflops> wmchris: did you read (or re-read) replaced-url
• 135[00:54:12] <wmchris> What really makes me nervous is the fact, that ifconfig on the SERVER doesn't show TAP0
• 136[00:54:50] <wmchris> Teraflops: yes I used this document for setting up openvpn.
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• 138[00:55:54] <wmchris> I don't get tap0 on the list (ifconfig) but I get it when I mention it directly (ifconfig tap0)
• 139[00:55:55] <teraflops> apart from that I still think you are facing routing issues, but I cannot help you troubleshooting this because it's too late here and my routing fu is really bad
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• 143[00:56:13] <wmchris> :(
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• 145[00:56:18] <teraflops> wmchris: on the client?
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• 147[00:56:22] <wmchris> server.
• 148[00:56:34] <teraflops> ah ifconfig
• 149[00:56:40] <teraflops> use ip command
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• 151[00:57:30] <teraflops> oh well you cant its osx
• 152[00:57:32] <wmchris> Tbh I don't know how my routing could be wrong. Both sides show the route for the subnet 172.18.0 correctly.
• 153[00:57:37] <teraflops> I have no idea on the client side
• 154[00:57:51] <wmchris> The client display tap0 without any problem. Server displays it on ip a.
• 155[00:58:02] <wmchris> BUT
• 156[00:58:06] <teraflops> wmchris: well it look slike routing issues to me
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• 158[00:58:15] <wmchris> Ip a tells me tap0 as DOWN, albeit its connected right now
• 159[00:58:34] <teraflops> having an ip from a iptunnel is not the same as being able to ping both sides
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• 161[00:59:23] <wmchris> I think I found the issue, but not the solution...... Tap0 is down on the server.
• 162[00:59:41] <wmchris> So openvpn is receiving it, but never forward it to the network itself.....
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• 168[01:01:23] <teraflops> wmchris: if youre using the script they suggest check all is ok
• 169[01:01:33] <teraflops> the bridge up thingy
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• 171[01:02:15] <wmchris> Yes I use this script, albeit modified it a lil bit because the bridge is set up in etc/network/interfaces.
• 172[01:02:47] <wmchris> And there is the error.
• 173[01:02:50] <wmchris> Found it!
• 174[01:02:52] <teraflops> wmchris: I do have in my /e/n/i replaced-url
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• 176[01:03:30] <wmchris> The problem is indeed that "for t in $tap; do ifconfig $t 0.0.0.0 promisc up done" was not executed correctly
• 177[01:03:58] <teraflops> so it was a routing issue at the end :P
• 178[01:04:07] <wmchris> So the tap interface was not set up and openvpn could not forward the packages.
• 179[01:04:20] <teraflops> glad you figured it put
• 180[01:04:34] <teraflops> out^
• 181[01:05:07] <wmchris> Thank you very much for your help :)
• 182[01:05:17] <teraflops> np
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• 220[01:40:21] <wmchris> What would be the correct iptables setup if I want to redirect everything from an virtual interface like br0:1 to another ip (DMZ) ?
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• 223[01:41:03] <missmbob> wmchris: ask #netfilter
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• 269[02:02:28] <phinux_> hello
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• 272[02:03:17] <Rackham> *Nix
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• 276[02:04:10] <phinux_> i'm new to linux and was, just installed it 2 days ago. i wanted to know how i would go about removing the 340 driver installing the latest nvidia driver
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• 286[02:09:11] <abrotman> phinux_: using which version of Debian?
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• 292[02:10:10] <phinux_> abrotman: jessie
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• 296[02:12:04] <phinux_> the wiki shows 'apt-get purge nvidia.'
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• 304[02:16:55] <phinux_> ...but can i just mark it for removal using synaptic package manager?
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• 341[02:44:39] <ee1> Hey guys. I have some problem extracting a file that ends with .libvirt. It says "could not open Whonix-gateway.libvirt archive type not supported" so I guess my extract program I'm using is not good enough
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• 348[02:47:15] <hpil_> Hello
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• 351[02:48:05] <hpil_> Is there any way to disable ipv6 properly? I tried doing it through network manager but despite turning ipv6 off through the GUI, doing ifconfig shows that eth0 is setup with an ipv6 address
• 352[02:48:26] <Dagger> ...you shouldn't be disabling v6 at all
• 353[02:48:47] <Dagger> maybe if we were still in 2007, but we're not. we're long past the point where that's reasonable
• 354[02:48:55] <hpil_> Well, i should, because it makes my internet nearly unusable
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• 356[02:50:10] <hpil_> replaced-url
• 357[02:50:45] <hpil_> I've confirmed that queries with aaaa do time out. It's easier to turn off ipv6 at this point than it is to figure out a DNS that actually works
• 358[02:51:13] <hpil_> So, is there a way to turn off ipv6 properly?
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• 362[02:51:42] <Dagger> the proper fix then is to use a working DNS server
• 363[02:51:51] <Dagger> Google run public DNS servers that work well for a lot of people
• 364[02:52:13] <hpil_> I'm happy to hear that that's the proper fix. I want an easy fix. How do i properly disable ipv6?
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• 371[02:56:28] <hpil_> Welp, using open DNS doesnt help either
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• 374[02:58:52] <phinux_> Help please, everytime i reboot my pc my bluetooth mouse works but my bluetooth headphones do not, they will connect but will not show as a playback device until i restart the bluetooth daemon
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• 376[02:59:41] <phinux_> on debian jessie
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• 448[03:41:19] <nine_milli> i have a weird request my nerds
• 449[03:41:36] <nine_milli> i want to use javascript to download the first google image on a search term
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• 464[03:55:08] <screamslash> is there a command line program that monitors net up/down in real time similiar to htop does for proccesses?
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• 482[04:09:54] <micros> does each wireless network interface need its own wpa_supplicant.conf (differently named) or can two network interfaces be configured for two different wifi networks and point to the same wpa_supplicant.conf file from within /etc/network/interfaces?
• 483[04:12:19] <dvs> micros, I don't see why two different connection can't use the same .conf file.
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• 510[04:37:42] <micros> dvs - how do you specify which network is for which interface ?
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• 514[04:39:15] <micros> when wpa_supplicant is launched (presumably from the hint in /etc/network/interfaces, it specifies which interface. but if the wpa_supplicant.conf has two networks in it, then its like saying that either network (with some priority) is OK for that interface; but the same file being used on a different network interface would effectively have it connect to the same networks as well. this is
• 515[04:39:15] <micros> different than two files, each with one network in it and having the interfaces file configure each interface with its own wpa_supplicant configuration file
• 516[04:39:34] <dvs> micros, if they are referring to two difference networks, then you need two different conf files.
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• 532[04:47:37] <gam3r> hi, how can i change the system clock without change the hardware clock please ??
• 533[04:48:47] <ryouma> gam3r: date(1)?
• 534[04:49:08] <gam3r> when i set the clock on my debian with date --set , the hardware clock change ! and when i reset my hardware clock, the debian system clock is always change
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• 536[04:49:35] <ryouma> ok, dunno
• 537[04:50:42] <gam3r> ryouma: juste for try ^^ > if i active the local rtc it already change my hardware clock ??
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• 541[04:53:26] <gam3r> i have get this error one time... but i have lost the solution :'(
• 542[04:54:35] <gam3r> *i have already
• 543[04:55:43] <gam3r> no help :'( ?
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• 564[05:14:51] <jscoder> Could anyone recommend a GUI tool/frontend for imaging disks, full disk backup, including partition table?
• 565[05:17:50] <TinkerTiger> Sorry, not I. I usually spend to much time destroying them.
• 566[05:18:21] <jscoder> heh
• 567[05:18:38] <jscoder> only thing I see is partimage which has a curses frontend by the looks of it
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• 569[05:19:18] <jscoder> so far I don't see anything that wraps around the lower level utils and offers a gparted like frontend
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• 573[05:20:58] <TinkerTiger> Yeah. Hopefully some of the lurkers has something. Part of my last job was destroying sensative information and I'm usually doing so many things that I haven't used that sort of thing since Norton Ghost.
• 574[05:21:39] <firef1y> Hey, what the heck is rpcbind?
• 575[05:22:17] <firef1y> and why has it opened port 111 on my machine?
• 576[05:22:47] <jscoder> its kind of like a dns utility for RPC
• 577[05:23:28] <firef1y> and what exactly is RPC?
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• 579[05:24:15] <firef1y> looks like some kind of C-based remote control for machines on the network.
• 580[05:24:24] <firef1y> why the heck would I want it installed?
• 581[05:24:25] <jscoder> remote proceedure call, its a protocol used for programs to communicate on a network without complex networking
• 582[05:25:20] <TinkerTiger> If you turn it off, the computer probably loses network connectivity.
• 583[05:25:45] <jscoder> if you are absolutly sure you don't need to communicate with other machines on your network for any reason, like file sharing, print sharing, or some other kind of client/server stuff then you probably don't need it
• 584[05:25:48] <tw> it's usually for out-of-band nfs.
• 585[05:25:53] <tw> (rpcbind)
• 586[05:26:02] <tw> like acls in nfsv3
• 587[05:26:41] <firef1y> tw: hmm. looks like I installed NFS a while ago.
• 588[05:27:04] <firef1y> don't have any running NFS systems on my network right now, though.
• 589[05:27:12] * TinkerTiger is corrected. :)
• 590[05:27:34] <tw> you probably don't need it then. Turn it back on if you find something is broken.
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• 593[05:32:21] <jushur> jscoder: gnome-disks can make full .img of a drive or partition.
• 594[05:33:59] <TinkerTiger> For me, I use dd for everything. GUIs just slow me down!
• 595[05:35:37] <jushur> jscoder: i use that and a ssd in a hardware encrypted usb case, and boot with the fedora livecd for those systems i backup. to backup installs before upgrading them.
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• 597[05:36:02] <jscoder> yeah well I'd ordinarily use dd as well but I want something someone less familiar can undo later
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• 599[05:36:42] <jscoder> basically I want to use this HDD laying here and I have no idea what machine it went to, so I'm gonna image it, erase it, and save the image file in case someone notices it missing
• 600[05:36:45] <jscoder> heh
• 601[05:37:25] <jscoder> looks like it was used last about six months ago, and seems to have some kind of windows on it
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• 604[05:38:57] <jushur> just take the disk out and put a ssd in there instead? :D
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• 606[05:39:30] <jushur> oh, didnt read the "lying here" part.
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• 608[05:40:10] * TinkerTiger hehs.
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• 610[05:40:20] <jscoder> yeah, found it in the drawer, have no idea what it's for, could go to any number of machines laying around.. many of these desktops use laptop sized hdds as well so I don't even know if it goes to a laptop or a desktop
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• 614[05:40:47] <jscoder> I just need a hdd until I can order another one, and I don't want to listen to someone bitching if it was important
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• 616[05:41:18] <TinkerTiger> I was like that when I took over my current job. Now, I'm like, eh, by the time I give up this job, servers will be done differently anyway.
• 617[05:41:31] <tw> could always look in the windows event logs for the hostname. if it was a domain computer or you use inventory management, that should be pretty significant.
• 618[05:41:36] <jscoder> windows users have weird sentiments about their HDDs even when they don't have crap on them..
• 619[05:43:03] <TinkerTiger> I have such high server demand at work that I use a Raspberry Pi2.
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• 621[05:43:56] <jscoder> I just ordered an orange pi lite.. those orange pi are pretty nice looking. They have ones with much more hardware than the raspi models for less money
• 622[05:44:44] <TinkerTiger> I was given an Orange Pi Zero, which I'm running Debian Server on.
• 623[05:44:51] <TinkerTiger> 3D printed a case for it.
• 624[05:46:15] <jscoder> I plan on mostly using it to move data around from one device to another, simple tasks
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• 626[05:46:15] <TinkerTiger> Thing about the OrangePi is that the documentation is terrible. I can't even find some things, not even in the Chinese.
• 627[05:47:11] <jushur> Ii bought a tv box, octacore 8gig ram, and a chipset that can handle 4K video. is the size of 2 stacked cd cases. have a custom linux install on it. wireless mouse/keyboard i use it as my travel computer. is very nice to be able to use a device that is your own. just plug it into a TV/Monitor
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• 629[05:49:14] <jscoder> I hope I don't need documentation, I never needed documentation for hardware and I hope it stays that way. The only time you need documentation is if you're actually hacking it
• 630[05:50:05] <jscoder> I'm just looking for something real cheap and simple I can hook to my tv, that can read my various data storage devices and move/rename files and crap like that
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• 632[05:51:34] <jscoder> if I can also occasionally use it to rip dvds, transcode files, and maybe do some classic game emulation, then that would be cool too
• 633[05:52:01] <jushur> jscoder: it should probably work decent for that, that orange pi. recommend to place it in a good case if you gona move it arounda lot. preff one that you can snap cables in place o they dont move around/break it.
• 634[05:53:18] <jscoder> the crap I ordered from china a couple hours ago said it came with a Orange Pi Lite, acrylic case, heatsink, sd card, wireless keyboard/mouse (small handheld gadget), and a power cable (without the USB power supply)
• 635[05:53:45] <jscoder> it looked to me like the Orange has full sized HDMI rather than the mini hdmi the Raspberry Zero has
• 636[05:53:58] <TinkerTiger> Agreed. I'm too much of a tinkerer sometimes. I was looking at the possibility of using the OPiZero as part of a sensor package I'm building.
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• 638[05:54:37] <TinkerTiger> OrangePiZero has no HDMI. Not a fair comparison. :)
• 639[05:54:57] <jscoder> I was looking at the OPiZero but it doesn't come with HDMI like the RPI zero, so I went with the OPi Lite
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• 641[05:55:15] <jscoder> its basically the same but has wifi and hdmi
• 642[05:55:43] <TinkerTiger> Yeah, some of the OrangePI PCs could be useful.
• 643[05:55:54] <TinkerTiger> Like the lite.
• 644[05:56:20] <TinkerTiger> When my EeeBox dies, which I'm surprised it hasn't already, then I might consider something like that.
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• 651[06:00:29] <TinkerTiger> I went from giant, high-powered full towers to now I want small, quiet and nearly invisible. As long as it can run Debian! I have a deChromed-Chrombook that also run Debian which I travel with.
• 652[06:02:05] <jscoder> I'm trying to survive without any computer, but most these things I have can't do basic filemanagement.. my bluray can rip cds and crap but can't name the files, or delete files or anything
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• 654[06:02:48] <jscoder> I just bought a cheap chinese handheld media player that can at least delete files, but can't rename them, and can only record audio from the fm radio or mic
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• 656[06:03:50] <jscoder> the only cheap device I seen so far that can record video is a DTV box that records to USB, but again, no file management features, so you still need something computer-like just to do basic organizational tasks
• 657[06:05:17] <TinkerTiger> I'll probably die waffle-faced.
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• 662[06:08:47] <kion> what is the Stretch equivalent of "sudo netstat -tvnlp" ?
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• 666[06:11:17] <jscoder> according to p.d.o stretch has both sudo and netstat
• 667[06:12:12] <kion> jscoder, I think they dropped netstat for a newer program "ip" maybe? I am not sure, and wanted the experts to tell me
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• 670[06:13:23] <jscoder> there very well may be changes to the defaults, but the programs are still available. I'd check to see if sudo and netstat are installed and if not, install them
• 671[06:14:39] <jscoder> stretch isn't released yet officially afaik, and I haven't tried it, but the "ip" command isn't really anything new
• 672[06:15:24] <jscoder> its also not really a replacement for netstat
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• 674[06:16:44] <_rub1k> hey all. what package provide dpkg-reconfigure?
• 675[06:17:27] <nine_milli> YO
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• 677[06:17:59] <jscoder> _rub1k: you need to be root to use that
• 678[06:19:00] <_rub1k> jscoder: oh Im dumb
• 679[06:19:11] <pacha> _rub1k: there is a package called apt-file, use that with `apt-file search dpkg-reconfigure` and it will look it up for you
• 680[06:19:13] <jscoder> yeah, its far more likely you're not root than you don't have debconf installed
• 681[06:19:44] <pacha> jscoder: yeah, that one. debconf, cdebconf and debconf-i18n here in my box
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• 683[06:21:04] <jscoder> _rub1k: it's ok, this is IRC, you only have to type
• 684[06:21:08] <jscoder> :-P
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• 686[06:23:53] <_rub1k> yeah. for some reason deb is registering my JIS keyboard as ANSI and I can't seem to fix that
• 687[06:26:10] <jscoder> I think you may want to reconfigure loacales
• 688[06:26:14] <jscoder> !locale
• 689[06:26:14] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
• 690[06:26:23] <jscoder> !locales
• 691[06:26:24] <dpkg> Use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. See also <mac locales>. replaced-url
• 692[06:26:52] <_rub1k> jscoder: I figured it out. It was as simple as using setxkbmap jp
• 693[06:28:12] <jscoder> cool, cause I sure got no experience with japanese hardware other than the sony playstation :-P
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• 695[06:28:41] <_rub1k> this is my first JIS board. It will certainly take some getting used to
• 696[06:29:53] <jscoder> idk when it comes to computers, in my experience it's simpler to just use english.. unless of course you don't speak it :-P
• 697[06:30:24] <pacha> are you learning Japanese?
• 698[06:30:57] <_rub1k> well it's not actually a japanese keyboard. it's just the JIS layout.
• 699[06:31:05] <_rub1k> hhkb pro JP to be exact
• 700[06:31:44] <pacha> oh, no I just wanted some guidance. I am learning with Rosetta Stone and would like some opinions
• 701[06:31:55] <jscoder> I've been working on russian lately myself. I like learning other languages, I just dont like trying to make technology work with em :-P
• 702[06:32:25] <pacha> Privet
• 703[06:32:25] <pacha> my ex-gf was Russian
• 704[06:33:00] <_rub1k> pacha: I was actually considering learning. So maybe you'll have to give me some guidance some day
• 705[06:33:21] <TinkerTiger> I could learn 4 additional languages for my current job and it wouldn't be enough.
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• 707[06:33:40] <pacha> she told me to learn Ukranian Russian instead of Russian Russian, I hope I am clear
• 708[06:33:48] <jscoder> the only language I'd ever struggled with besides russian was portugese. For russian I started using audio lessons, and I started catching on fast. it was the alphabet that confused me, there were 7 letters somehow resembling an N that didn't make a sound like it. heh
• 709[06:33:49] <TinkerTiger> I've been recommended DuoLingo, for language learning, howeever.
• 710[06:34:20] <pacha> TinkerTiger: Rosetta for desktop is better
• 711[06:34:32] <pacha> I speak Spanish, English, French and some basic Japanese
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• 713[06:35:16] <TinkerTiger> I ran away from Rosetta when i was looking at a new license for my organization. The money they wanted was 1/4 of my budget.
• 714[06:35:27] <pacha> jscoder: Cyrillic its called
• 715[06:36:42] <jscoder> pacha: yes, well I tried learning it starting with the alphabet and grammar like I'd done with spanish, french, latin, and I couldn't get past the pecularity of the alphabet
• 716[06:37:07] <TinkerTiger> I learned Spanish, a little German and Cantonese. I need Hmong and at least one dialect of Arabic.
• 717[06:37:15] <uxfi> hello
• 718[06:37:21] <jscoder> uxfi: greetings
• 719[06:37:28] <TinkerTiger> Hello!
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• 721[06:37:41] <uxfi> heya
• 722[06:37:53] <bazhang> hi
• 723[06:38:01] <jscoder> Bonjour, bienvenido, guten tag.. etc.. :-P
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• 725[06:38:12] <pacha> moshi moshi
• 726[06:38:24] * uxfi hands a coffee to all
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• 728[06:39:31] <jscoder> really I now believe starting with just listening and repeating is better method for new languages
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• 731[06:40:11] <pacha> jscoder: I learnt Spanish because of my gf, she is from Argentina, another ex was from France and I learnt it there. Living 2-3 months in a different place with a new language is better than studying it for a year.
• 732[06:40:36] <jscoder> because I see many languages have peculiar differences in the way they are written that will choke you up. In english an apostrophe can form an optional conjunction, in french it's not optional, its grammatical
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• 734[06:40:41] <pacha> I speak better Spanish than English because I spent too much time there
• 735[06:42:05] * TinkerTiger teaches English as his day job.
• 736[06:42:18] <jscoder> another difference is silent letters in french.. they can alter based on usage.. C'est la vie, the 'st' is silent, but in C'est a dire. the 's' is silent and the 't' isn't heh.. then you have some words that could have different numbers of silent letters and it makes no difference gramattically whether you put them there or not
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• 738[06:42:46] <_rub1k> TinkerTiger: if you don't mind me asking... where do you teach english?
• 739[06:43:01] <jscoder> took me a long time to realize its easier to just learn by listen and repeat first with a new language, then worry about reading and writing later
• 740[06:43:20] <pacha> are you one of those guys go to China/Korea/Japan and teach to children?
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• 742[06:43:31] <TinkerTiger> _rub1k, a small, local non-profit.
• 743[06:43:39] <uxfi> jscoder; ah how old are you now?
• 744[06:43:41] <uxfi> since you learned?
• 745[06:43:44] <uxfi> English I mean
• 746[06:43:47] <_rub1k> I mean like. what country?
• 747[06:44:05] <TinkerTiger> Midwest United States.
• 748[06:44:22] <jscoder> I'm mid 30s now, and English is my native language. I was required to take French, Spanish, German and Latin when I was about 12
• 749[06:44:27] <uxfi> oh thats not old
• 750[06:44:31] <pacha> TinkerTiger: you should consider going to China or somewhere there, English teachers are in need
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• 752[06:44:53] <_rub1k> Oh gotcha. I for some reason I thought you were going to say Japan. It seems like ex-pats teaching english in tokyo is a common theme
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• 754[06:45:15] <jscoder> I have a cousin that lives in japan and teaches english
• 755[06:45:23] <TinkerTiger> pacha, While they are, I am also taking care of a person who has multiple chronic conditions. She can not travel and I will not leave her here unsupported.
• 756[06:45:34] <pacha> _rub1k: China is the new cool place. A friend is living there making loads of money and is cheap too
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• 758[06:46:01] <pacha> TinkerTiger: Sorry didn't know about that
• 759[06:46:22] <TinkerTiger> _rub1k, my step-sister isn in Peru, probably teaching.
• 760[06:46:42] <TinkerTiger> pacha, you would have no way of knowing.
• 761[06:47:01] <pacha> TinkerTiger: I lived in Lima for some time
• 762[06:47:09] <uxfi> where are you all from?
• 763[06:47:34] <pacha> uxfi: everywhere, born in the US and left when I was 5
• 764[06:47:35] <vvor> the big blue planet
• 765[06:47:45] <uxfi> hehe
• 766[06:47:50] <TinkerTiger> pacha, I like to joke that I'm from a foreign country, but really it's called California.
• 767[06:48:16] <pacha> TinkerTiger: it sucks not having a fixed place. I dont own a property and I never had a home
• 768[06:48:58] <TinkerTiger> pacha, I get that. I don't own a home, but then again, I don't feel the need to. My home is where I am. It's certainly not with my family.
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• 770[06:49:49] <TinkerTiger> I was born in California, partially educated there, now I live in the medwest. I teach English, writing and free open source software. ;)
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• 772[06:50:12] <pacha> TinkerTiger: I want to have a property of my own, anywhere I know I can return if I ever go homeless again.
• 773[06:50:22] <pacha> renting sucks because it is not your place
• 774[06:50:59] <TinkerTiger> I moved so much that 'your place' doesn't have the same meaning to me.
• 775[06:51:34] <uxfi> where are you now pacha
• 776[06:51:55] <pacha> TinkerTiger: I dont like that. I moved from the US when I was 5, then Spain, UK, France, Italy, all of South America, Australia, China, back to South America
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• 779[06:52:05] <pacha> uxfi: a small town in Argentina
• 780[06:53:11] <pacha> uxfi: Rivadavia, San Juan
• 781[06:54:11] <TinkerTiger> pacha, oh, I understand. I really do.
• 782[06:54:41] <uxfi> gotcha
• 783[06:55:01] <uxfi> what's that place in Argentian that is the biggest avenue i nthe world?
• 784[06:55:07] <pacha> TinkerTiger: I am trying to get my things together and buy a house somewhere, but the economy and the housing market sucks here. I am young though
• 785[06:55:12] <pacha> (25)
• 786[06:55:13] <uxfi> Avenida de something
• 787[06:55:20] <TinkerTiger> My step-sister suffers from the same condition, except she's not ready to settle in yet. She left the US when she was 19. Off to Israel, Australia, South Africa, Peru.
• 788[06:55:24] <pacha> uxfi: Avenida General Paz
• 789[06:55:27] <uxfi> thats it
• 790[06:55:33] <uxfi> Have you been there?
• 791[06:55:37] <pacha> uxfi: near Obelisco and 9 de Julio
• 792[06:55:41] <uxfi> ya
• 793[06:55:46] <uxfi> thats it
• 794[06:55:47] <pacha> uxfi: yeah, I love Buenos Aires. went everywhere
• 795[06:55:53] <uxfi> great
• 796[06:55:55] <uxfi> I should visiit
• 797[06:56:24] <pacha> uxfi: San Telmo is my favorite part, Microcentro too. I spent a lot of time here
• 798[06:56:33] <uxfi> ah
• 799[06:57:01] <jscoder> you could always move to Guatamala, a country with plenty of fresh water and you can go there with little money and be rich :-P
• 800[06:57:15] <pacha> uxfi: I would to live there if it were less chaotic, lots of riots and the economy is garbage, if you are not rich just go to visit.
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• 804[06:57:38] <pacha> I would love to live*
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• 808[06:58:16] <uxfi> Gotcha pacha
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• 812[06:58:47] <TinkerTiger> If I did move out of the US, I would teach more people Linux. It's hard here!
• 813[06:59:51] <pacha> TinkerTiger: if you come here and if you are white/blonde, or you have European looks, you can do whatever you want
• 814[06:59:52] <jscoder> if you wanna go tech, Guatamala probably isnt a good idea then, the illiteracy rate is really high, Brazil and Poland are on the rise
• 815[07:00:46] <TinkerTiger> jscoder, Literacy is literally what I do.
• 816[07:01:40] <pacha> the thing about South America is the level of ignorance there is. if you are civilized and can operate machines/computers you can get a decent job and decent income
• 817[07:02:26] <jscoder> ah, well Brazil just started getting heavy into internet a few years ago, there are still lots of small countries in central america with high illiteracy and weak tech infrastructure to develop
• 818[07:03:07] <pacha> I know people that had literally millions of dollars and they lived in shitty houses because they dont see past basic construction. they could be living in huge villas, but they are ignorant on that regard
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• 820[07:03:25] <jscoder> and unlike a lot of the african countries with those issues, they have plenty of fresh water and are less volitile
• 821[07:03:31] <TinkerTiger> I consider myself a high-tech person but I'm not one of those people who flip out when the power goes out. I can generate my own power, if need be.
• 822[07:03:46] <pacha> I know a guy from Holland that made a fortune here building "European-style" houses (which probably are middle-class houses there) and made a fortune because it is the best thing that you can get here
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• 827[07:05:31] <pacha> my dad made his fortune here with irrigation systems, he brought the technology from the US and people here gave him money to develop them. the same could be said with IT
• 828[07:06:42] <TinkerTiger> In case you haven't heard, we have a literacy problem, especailly media literacy, here in the US.
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• 832[07:07:42] <pacha> TinkerTiger: I am not alarmed. What do you mean with media literacy?
• 833[07:07:54] <TinkerTiger> Twelve years ago, I nearly jumped out of my second floor apartment window and wnt dark, but now I'm doing all right. My life is stressful, but I'm doing good where I am.
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• 835[07:08:38] <jscoder> heh, watch CNN
• 836[07:08:46] <TinkerTiger> pacha, being able to determine what is real fact and what is fake news/opinion/conjecture.
• 837[07:09:34] <pacha> TinkerTiger: that makes sense
• 838[07:09:37] <jscoder> who needs media literacy when we got Donald Trump to tell us what's fact and fiction :-P
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• 841[07:10:30] <TinkerTiger> No one has ever been able to tell me what is fact or fiction. Not even Plato.
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• 843[07:11:04] <TinkerTiger> DJ T-Rump certainly isn't qualified to even attempt it.
• 844[07:11:17] <pacha> do people hate Trump?
• 845[07:11:44] <TinkerTiger> I don't hate him. Some people do. Some want to have his baby.
• 846[07:11:55] <jscoder> of course not, everyone loves him, he tells everyone how great they are and how he's gonna make america great again.. how can you not love that?
• 847[07:12:18] <jscoder> he's perfected the art of using words without saying anything
• 848[07:12:31] <pacha> jscoder: I am totally disconnected from world events, thats a good thing.
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• 850[07:13:56] <jscoder> well if you ever had the occasion to observe how dumb GWB sounded, you'd just have to know that Dondald Trump makes him look like Steven Hawking or Einstien or something
• 851[07:14:45] <jscoder> I'm not saying the man is a moron, I'm just saying he sure as hell nails the role on TV :-P
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• 853[07:15:53] <jscoder> They asked him to show some modesty during the conventions when he was running for President, and his response was that he took out a small loan of a million from his dad to start his business.
• 854[07:16:21] <roobi> Currently created a deb file with dkms mkdeb and I get the error: { Moving built files to /var/lib/dkms/facetimehd/0.1/deb...mv: cannot stat '/tmp/dkms.uTJ7Bv/facetimehd-dkms_0.1_amd64.deb': No such file or directory
• 855[07:16:22] <roobi> }
• 856[07:16:34] <roobi> Which I understand... but I also dont understand why...
• 857[07:16:36] <roobi> Any ideas?
• 858[07:16:42] <pacha> jscoder: here everyone hates the US and the US foreign policy, I have witnessed a lot of US flag burnings. Argentina basically is a US colony though
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• 860[07:17:26] <TinkerTiger> Let's get back on topic. ;)
• 861[07:17:28] <jscoder> roobi: you should probably include the command you ran.
• 862[07:17:36] <jscoder> we can move to #debian-offtopic
• 863[07:17:43] <roobi> dkms mkdeb -m facetimehd -v 0.1 --source-only
• 864[07:17:50] <pacha> sorry, got to go anyways. see you
• 865[07:17:58] <roobi> mkdsc worked fine
• 866[07:18:04] <TinkerTiger> pacha, peace.
• 867[07:18:33] <roobi> Im following: replaced-url
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• 874[07:24:41] <anku> hi
• 875[07:25:01] <anku> need help in selecting new kernel to upgrade into
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• 881[07:27:09] <jscoder> anku: why do you need to upgrade to a new kernel?
• 882[07:27:54] <anku> wl driver is looding speed, i think the newer kernel will have a solution
• 883[07:28:02] <anku> loosing*
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• 887[07:28:40] <jscoder> what does it say when you run uname -r
• 888[07:29:09] <anku> 3.16.0-4-686-pae
• 889[07:29:33] <jscoder> anku: you may also want to check dmesg to see if the driver is outputting any messages that may indicate the problem
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• 891[07:30:23] <anku> something like this? "wl_notify_roaming_status+0xb6/0x130 [wl]"
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• 895[07:30:48] <jscoder> anku: what kind of CPU do you have? cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model\ name | uniq
• 896[07:31:11] <jscoder> yes. those sorts of messages are what I was referring to
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• 899[07:32:15] <jscoder> anku: have you ever built a linux kernel before?
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• 904[07:34:58] <jscoder> heh
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• 906[07:35:21] <jscoder> guess there is no surprises when someone complaining about wifi times out
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• 930[07:50:22] <anku> @jiscoder model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU N3540 @ 2.16GHz
• 931[07:50:50] <jscoder> anku: you can install a newer kernel from backports or build your own
• 932[07:50:52] <anku> sorry got disconnected........ this is what i am suffering from :(
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• 934[07:50:59] <anku> how/
• 935[07:51:01] <anku> ?
• 936[07:51:03] <jscoder> anku: yes, I was not surprised to see you time out
• 937[07:51:06] <jscoder> !backports
• 938[07:51:07] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
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• 943[07:53:08] <anku> i have read "replaced-url
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• 945[07:53:52] <jscoder> anku: echo "deb replaced-url
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• 947[07:54:13] <jscoder> anku: yes, well that is why I asked you about uname -r and your cpu type.. because uname -r says your
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• 949[07:55:04] <jscoder> "flavor" is 686, but your cpu can actually support the amd64 flavor
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• 951[07:55:47] <anku> i did "apt-cache search linux-image" and got scared from the result :), thanks
• 952[07:55:54] <jscoder> anku: the amd64 is 64bit, where as the 686 is 32bit. your cpu supports 64bit but is backwards compatible with 32bit
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• 954[07:56:28] <jscoder> anku: without adding the backports, you will not get a newer kernel, as debian jessie is frozen and only gets security fixes
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• 957[07:56:50] <jscoder> anku: with packports you can get 4.9 I believe is the latest in backports
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• 960[07:57:13] <anku> yes,
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• 1016[08:23:42] <dunderproto> Is there a security hardened version of debian out there?
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• 1029[08:31:06] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1040[08:39:50] <TinkerTiger> Security hardened? I hadn't heard of it but if you follow some pretty simple rules, it's going to be pretty hardened anyway.
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• 1050[08:43:56] <TinkerTiger> There's Kali Linux for penetration testing but I don't know which branch it's on.
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• 1150[09:48:00] <jelly> dunderproto: there isn't. Some hardening features are becoming defaults, slowly.
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• 1154[09:49:12] <jelly> (Kali is a derivative distro, it's a tool to test and probe security issues, not really more secure in daily use itself)
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• 1158[09:51:33] <nix64bit> whats a good developer laptop that uses the least propriety sw/
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• 1163[09:53:14] <missmbob> basically get the best thinkpad you can afford
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• 1165[09:54:32] <nix64bit> thinkpad? i will search
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• 1173[09:56:44] <p0rt> nix64bit, I'm using thinkpad x220 atm
• 1174[09:56:45] <vvor> dunderproto: I'd argue tahs kali is the exact opposite of a security hardened version, it has all the software you probably do not want on a secure server.
• 1175[09:57:09] <p0rt> there will be probably libreboot for it at the end of this year
• 1176[09:57:25] <p0rt> and I'm using an x60 too, which also has libreboot
• 1177[09:57:32] <dunderproto> vvor: Yes, I think kali linux is more for testing, not for servers
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• 1179[09:58:00] <p0rt> While x60 is a little bit old, x220 still does an awesome job
• 1180[09:58:25] <p0rt> I'd say that it's better than a lot of laptops that you can buy these days
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• 1182[09:58:41] <nix64bit> thanks
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• 1185[09:59:14] <p0rt> just remember to put an atheros card in it, since intel cards use non-free firmware ;)
• 1186[09:59:27] <missmbob> i've bought 4 of them. they're great. always refurb from ebay
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• 1189[10:00:11] <p0rt> missmbob, it amazes me, that a 11 year old laptop is still usable these days
• 1190[10:00:11] <nix64bit> I am developing for a guy who imports them, wil have a word with him
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• 1192[10:00:27] <p0rt> (I'm talking about x60)
• 1193[10:00:38] <p0rt> good luck then!
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• 1201[10:01:50] <nix64bit> atheros wifi card? do i have to meddle with the hw?
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• 1204[10:02:09] <nix64bit> I dont mind I am actually a h/w person
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• 1210[10:02:53] <p0rt> nix64bit, just unscrew the palmrest and old wifi card
• 1211[10:03:04] <p0rt> 10 minutes and you're set
• 1212[10:03:11] <nix64bit> tx tx tx
• 1213[10:03:41] <jelly> nix64bit: you'll need to meddle if your goal is maximum freedom with a thinkpad from 2012 like x220, vendor bios has a whitelist of allowed minipcie cards
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• 1215[10:04:52] <jelly> if you can live with intel wifi that needs firmware loaded, and hope disabling "Intel AMT" in BIOS is enough, then that's it
• 1216[10:05:21] <jelly> ask ##ibmthinkpad channel for details
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• 1224[10:07:38] <vvor> nix64bit: just remember #ibmthinkpad is china made today :-)
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• 1226[10:07:53] <missmbob> everything is made in china
• 1227[10:07:56] <vvor> for good & bad...
• 1228[10:08:17] <vvor> yep... but...
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• 1230[10:10:43] <jelly> two hashes.
• 1231[10:10:48] <jelly> ##ibmthinkpad
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• 1293[10:50:43] <dcpc007> hi, is it a real problem to update Wheezy -> Stretch ? We never upgrade to Jessie (not enought time ...)
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• 1297[10:51:08] <missmbob> dont do that. go to jessie first
• 1298[10:51:44] <dcpc007> an immediate double upgrade possible ?
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• 1300[10:52:03] <missmbob> it's a quick way to break your system
• 1301[10:52:17] <jelly> dcpc007: packages carry extra code to make a release upgrade work from release N-1 to release N. After N that code is removed.
• 1302[10:52:52] <dcpc007> the it's possible to change sources.list to go jessie, reboot and then change for stretch and upgrade ?
• 1303[10:52:57] <dcpc007> and after test ...
• 1304[10:52:58] <jelly> dcpc007: no
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• 1307[10:53:23] <dcpc007> but i'm staring an internal email to say that +2 versions will lead to application version problems ...
• 1308[10:53:50] <jelly> dcpc007: either do each release upgrade step by step, or make a fresh installation and migrate data and custom apps.
• 1309[10:53:52] <dcpc007> i anticipate +1 vesion 2years ago (like take Tomcat 7 and not Tomat 6 during migration old server -> debian 7)
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• 1312[10:54:22] <dcpc007> what is step by step ? i describe an upgrade in 2 steps 2 mins ago ?
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• 1316[10:55:02] <jelly> dcpc007: you described changing sources.list. A release upgrade is a process that does quite a bit more than that.
• 1317[10:55:05] <dcpc007> i'm checking the LTS support .. i'm near sure of the internal answer ...
• 1318[10:55:16] <dcpc007> change source.list + upgrade i wrote
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• 1320[10:55:48] <jelly> <dcpc007> the it's possible to change sources.list to go jessie, reboot and then change for stretch and upgrade ?
• 1321[10:56:36] <jelly> but yeah. You do want to follow the procedure as described in release notes, there may be extra steps, and things to take care of.
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• 1324[10:56:48] <jelly> dpkg: wheezy->jessie
• 1325[10:56:49] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
• 1326[10:56:56] <jelly> and then
• 1327[10:57:00] <jelly> dpkg: jessie->stretch
• 1328[10:57:01] <dpkg> Remember that Debian 9 "Stretch" is still pre-release and that security support will not always be timely. Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <stretch release notes> replaced-url
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• 1331[10:57:30] <jelly> dcpc007: that part about reading the upgrade chapter is not optional
• 1332[10:58:08] <missmbob> especially the part about it breaking your apache
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• 1334[10:58:32] <jelly> apache will break on its own :-)
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• 1339[10:59:35] <jelly> I just did a lenny->squeeze and squeeze->wheezy one after another on a legacy system this Saturday
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• 1342[11:00:47] <missmbob> why didnt you keep going?
• 1343[11:01:02] <dcpc007> ha i've heard about apache 2.2 -> 2.4 change many things (i only start apache install a few monthes ago .. and all in 2.2 then ...)
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• 1345[11:01:31] <dcpc007> no mention of apache in the upgrade doc for jessie
• 1346[11:02:00] <missmbob> replaced-url
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• 1348[11:02:32] <jelly> then the app would need like 15hours to rebuild some internal stuf for jessie, so my plan to go straight to stretch didn't pan out
• 1349[11:02:40] <jelly> dcpc007: yes mention.
• 1350[11:02:40] <dcpc007> i plan to have some problem on /etc/init.d/ scripts locally modified (like tomcat7 launched by another user with software_group
• 1351[11:02:59] <jelly> 2.2 -> 2.4 is a huge mention
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• 1353[11:03:19] <dcpc007> arf ok, was on upgrading page ..
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• 1355[11:03:39] <dcpc007> ok
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• 1357[11:04:29] <dcpc007> then we'll have to read the double inforamtion pages and see what we'll need ... i already cry
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• 1361[11:07:41] <dcpc007> and think we'll stay in Wheezy for more time ...
• 1362[11:07:51] <jelly> TYL: technical debt
• 1363[11:08:01] <dcpc007> boring, near never see systemd until now ...
• 1364[11:08:30] <jelly> if you don't care about learning systemd, you can delay that bit and keep using sysvinit in jessie
• 1365[11:08:33] <jelly> (and stretch0
• 1366[11:08:40] <jelly> !jessie sysvinit
• 1367[11:08:41] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
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• 1369[11:10:02] <dcpc007> i would learn systemd .. same in centos ... still in v6 but start to install centos 7 for specific recent applicaion and it's systemd too
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• 1371[11:10:24] <dcpc007> then problem when i need to work on it 2 month after read only the basics :)
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• 1381[11:17:57] <dcpc007> i send an email with LTS info and version notes .... will see if they react
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• 1414[11:38:35] <thinker> hi
• 1415[11:38:46] <thinker> can i use grsecurity instead of app armor ?
• 1416[11:38:51] <thinker> Is it possible?
• 1417[11:38:53] <thinker> how
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• 1420[11:41:04] <ikonia> thinker: try not spamming multiple channels with the same question,
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• 1452[12:10:07] <dka> can anyone help me correct my Yaml for the multiline : replaced-url
• 1453[12:10:21] <dka> I have ussie when I do cat <<EOF >~/.ssh/config ...
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• 1461[12:13:41] <dka> can anyone help me correct my Yaml for the multiline : replaced-url
• 1462[12:14:08] <FinalX> how is that a debian thing? and why post it twice in a couple of minutes?
• 1463[12:14:19] <FinalX> try a yaml channel instead
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• 1519[12:45:12] <jelly> dka: what's that config file for?
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• 1527[12:47:24] <dka> it's for gitlab-ci
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• 1530[12:48:11] <jelly> ,v gitlab-ci
• 1531[12:48:12] <judd> No package named 'gitlab-ci' was found in amd64.
• 1532[12:48:22] <jelly> dka: what's the package name for that
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• 1536[12:49:15] <lix>  fir
• 1537[12:49:20] <jelly> dka: if it's not packaged in Debian, consider asking the upstream channel
• 1538[12:49:24] * lix oups. - disregard
• 1539[12:49:24] <jelly> -alis- #gitlab 522 :GitLab | replaced-url
• 1540[12:49:25] <jelly> -alis- #gitlab-ci 2 :See #gitlab for GitLab CI help
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• 1549[12:55:26] <refeaime1> Hello guys.
• 1550[12:55:42] <refeaime1> How can i copy all files from ~/ including .* ones?
• 1551[12:56:06] <refeaime1> rsync?
• 1552[12:56:06] <refeaime1> Or first make an tar or cpio archive?
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• 1556[12:58:10] <koollman> refeaime1: rsync would work. many other options would work too
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• 1560[12:59:28] <refeaime1> koollman: so rsync will be enouth? Ok, readin manual... Thank you
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• 1568[13:07:31] <refeaime1> Also... Could someone help with cron.
• 1569[13:07:31] <refeaime1> crontab is empty, but cron is spaming by emails
• 1570[13:07:38] <refeaime1> run-parts: /etc/cron.hourly/enable_secalerts exited with return code 22
• 1571[13:07:43] <abrotman> there are many crontabs
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• 1575[13:11:14] <bitlan> Hi, I wanna create machine only for DHCP server (I mean any newtork devices will be set this machine as ip-helper). What should I set as listening interface?
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• 1579[13:13:04] <Mazhive_one> hello guys having some issues with my debian 7 i have a huge /var/log/debug file about 5gig so probably i have some problem ,...
• 1580[13:13:11] <jelly> bitlan: eth0? How many network cards do you have in there?
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• 1582[13:13:24] <refeaime1> abrotman: how to view them all?
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• 1584[13:13:59] <jelly> refeaime1: you already know /etc/cron.hourly/enable_secalerts generates a failure result, so check that script
• 1585[13:14:14] <refeaime1> jelly: thx
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• 1587[13:14:37] <jelly> Mazhive_one: did you look what most log lines in there are generated by
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• 1589[13:15:09] <Mazhive_one> yep 99% is bandwidth_out
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• 1592[13:16:08] <Mazhive_one> it is getting this big in like 2 maybe 3 weeks
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• 1594[13:17:06] <Mazhive_one> server kernel: [143626.789220] BANDWIDTH_OUT:IN= OUT=eth0 SRC= it seems it logs the ssh connection from my home to this server ( debian 7
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• 1600[13:20:14] <Mazhive_one> ah i see i have my logs on debug on default can i make a maximum size untill it rotates ??
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• 1605[13:21:26] <refeaime1> replaced-url
• 1606[13:21:26] <refeaime1> Here is what in cron.hourly
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• 1613[13:26:59] <Mazhive_one> Jelly:would a 1073741824bytes (1G) be oke to eventually debug a possible problem ?? out of the logs
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• 1622[13:32:39] <jelly> Mazhive_one: so change and adapt your iptables logging rules, or set up log rotation to be done more often
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• 1626[13:33:33] <jelly> Mazhive_one: these are not default, you've installed a firewall tool or set up iptables in some other way manually
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• 1638[13:38:01] * dan hi
• 1639[13:38:06] <nix64bit> there was a bug with ubuntu awhile back that didnt rotate the logs. I ran out of disk space before I realized
• 1640[13:39:12] <jelly> can vim have a split screen showing two files?
• 1641[13:39:23] <nix64bit> jelly: of course
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• 1644[13:40:49] <jelly> :split, :vsplit and ^w
• 1645[13:41:03] <nix64bit> :sp file.x
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• 1647[13:41:22] <nix64bit> or :vs
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• 1652[13:42:39] <nix64bit> you might need to map some keys to switch between
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• 1657[13:44:11] <sergi`> Hi. How do I switch to stable from testing when current testing becomes stable? is it enough to replace testing with stable in sources.list everywhere?
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• 1659[13:45:35] <Mazhive_one> jelly: thanx for your advice ill look into it.. and i think i figured it out..
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• 1665[13:50:31] <babilen> sergi`: Using 'stable' is not a good idea as you'll upgrade to the next 'stable' release right away in the future. Just use the actual name, namely 'stretch' and you should be fine.
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• 1667[13:51:16] <babilen> Ensure that you have security repositories, stretch-updates and, if you wish, proposed updates configured also
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• 1673[13:53:10] <jelly> nix64bit: ^w Left and ^w Right are enough for now, thanks
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• 1679[13:56:47] <nix64bit> jelly: i am just starting with vim as an ide
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• 1682[13:57:12] <nix64bit> Can feel the power under the hood
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• 1816[14:57:27] <Mazhive_one> can some one give me an advise on ---- is it advisable to give replaced-url
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• 1833[15:06:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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• 1896[15:41:08] <jcelerier> hello :) I'm working on a software that's seeing more and more usage, and I'd like to know at which point it would be meaningful to try to submit it to debian
• 1897[15:41:43] <jcelerier> (and also if a potential maintainer would be interested)
• 1898[15:42:52] <missmbob> !rfp
• 1899[15:42:52] <dpkg> Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See replaced-url
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• 1902[15:43:25] <themill> jcelerier: given that it's mostly about scratching itches, RFPs don't often get people interested
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• 1904[15:44:38] <jcelerier> thanks, looking at the link
• 1905[15:44:40] <VentGrey> hola
• 1906[15:44:40] <Classsic> hi, somebody know how create custom iso from installation?
• 1907[15:44:42] <jcelerier> s
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• 1909[15:44:48] <Classsic> Hola :-)
• 1910[15:44:48] <VentGrey> no we dont know
• 1911[15:44:59] <VentGrey> what u doing?
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• 1916[15:46:04] <jcelerier> wow, there are currently 3180 requested packages in the queue...
• 1917[15:46:08] <missmbob> Classsic: i told you the other day. replaced-url
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• 1919[15:47:07] <Classsic> yes, but this tool keep user files?
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• 1921[15:47:53] <themill> jcelerier: it's not a queue
• 1922[15:47:58] <missmbob> just install to usb as target
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• 1925[15:49:55] <abrotman> There used to be "bootcd", no idea if that's still viable
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• 1929[15:52:07] <Classsic> ok, I try with remastersys, work great, and then with systemback
• 1930[15:52:41] <Classsic> but doesn't work with efi mixed
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• 1958[16:12:23] <armin> anyone a clue what exactly the "VmPeak" line in /proc/*/status is telling? is it safe to assume that when i have a process there that has a value of 17gb here, there was a point in time where that process used 17gb of memory?
• 1959[16:12:26] <aZz7eCh> hi guys ... jelly and another guy were helping me a few days ago trying to work out how to get gnome to launch on this new little netbook i have. At some stage he linked me an iso to try ~ firmware-testing-amd64..yada ... any one tell me where I can find this iso each day for updates ?
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• 1961[16:13:24] <armin> aZz7eCh: replaced-url
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• 1964[16:14:38] <aZz7eCh> oh i see... looking at that link now ... my immediate question is ... if this file hasn't been updated, then there wont be any firmware fixes for me in the daily "testing" build ?
• 1965[16:15:00] <armin> aZz7eCh: quite frankly, i don't know.
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• 1971[16:15:40] <bezaban> aZz7eCh: yeah, last posted 06.05, if that date doesn't change than there will be no difference and hence no fixes
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• 1973[16:16:13] <bezaban> or so I assume, thinking about it there could be non-free packages aquired from repositories
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• 1975[16:16:29] <bezaban> and not just bundled in the iso
• 1976[16:16:38] <bezaban> doesn't sound very debiany though
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• 1978[16:17:01] <jelly> aZz7eCh: there are weekly builds for testing d-i, go up the directory tree
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• 1982[16:18:23] <aZz7eCh> okay nice so there is a new one... alright i'll just hit it up weekly. thanks. i'll bookmark it
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• 1988[16:20:15] <jelly> you can see there's also a stretch_di_rc4/
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• 1990[16:20:35] <aZz7eCh> yeah, whats that ?
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• 1996[16:24:37] <aZz7eCh> just try it, he says. Okay.
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• 1999[16:26:12] <wash> Hi. I recently updated a debian system from pre-systemd era to unstable. My modprobe.d file that blacklists pcspkr now seems to be ignored. Is there some new location where modules should be blacklisted?
• 2000[16:26:29] <missmbob> !debian-next
• 2001[16:26:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2012[16:31:52] <dontknow> stretch will be stable at june 17 ^^
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• 2014[16:32:39] <missmbob> we know the /topic
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• 2017[16:34:33] <eimis> does anyone know what the digits mean in [nnnn:nnnn] output by iptables-save? :OUTPUT ACCEPT [589:51271]
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• 2019[16:35:16] <missmbob> eimis: if no one responds try #netfilter
• 2020[16:35:41] <eimis> I will. Thanks
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• 2027[16:41:35] <jelly> eimis: just counters.
• 2028[16:41:44] <jelly> :INPUT ACCEPT [3385735942:2799154863666]
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• 2030[16:42:02] <eimis> jelly: so I can basically set them to [0:0] with no side effect?
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• 2032[16:42:06] <jelly> yes
• 2033[16:42:20] <eimis> thank you for the info.
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• 2041[16:45:29] <shtrb> Is there a list of event locations for the stretch release , or it is not something globally orgenized ?
• 2042[16:45:46] <shtrb> "Strech out parties"
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• 2052[16:53:00] <BluesKaj> shtrb, seems to be a well kapt secret with only a few hints about the release date, "sometime this summer" was one I saw
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• 2054[16:53:25] <shtrb> lol
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• 2057[16:54:00] <jelly> !release party
• 2058[16:54:00] <dpkg> [release party] a Debian Event for celebrating Debian release. See replaced-url
• 2059[16:54:06] <BluesKaj> kapt=kept
• 2060[16:54:14] <shtrb> thanks
• 2061[16:54:21] <jelly> BluesKaj: see topic
• 2062[16:54:40] <jelly> there's a tentative date now
• 2063[16:55:20] <BluesKaj> someone mentioned june 17th
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• 2065[16:55:36] <missmbob> they announced it on mailing lists a couple days ago
• 2066[16:55:43] <shtrb> That the same date I can see in MLs last night
• 2067[16:56:52] <BluesKaj> yeah ETA 2017-06-17 in the topic dialog
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• 2084[17:05:11] <s00x> hey, I installed my rootsfs on one partition, while /home on another one. I've just check etc/fstab and I'm wondering why / is "ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1" instead of defaults
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• 2105[17:16:38] <jelly> s00x: that's normal for /
• 2106[17:16:49] <jelly> I don't remember the reasoning
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• 2128[17:33:37] <s00x> jelly: thx!
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• 2142[17:43:01] <MCMic> There is no package for bashmount for debian anywhere?
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• 2145[17:44:21] <FinalX> MCMic: I'm not even sure as to what that is
• 2146[17:44:36] <MCMic> replaced-url
• 2147[17:44:53] <MCMic> A great tool for mounting and unmounting from shell without headaches
• 2148[17:45:02] <uxfi> hellos
• 2149[17:45:09] <hays> i can't get out to the internet from my vps (running debian). can someone help me with this? here is ifconfig: replaced-url
• 2150[17:45:15] <MCMic> replaced-url
• 2151[17:45:15] <FinalX> those kinds of small projects often are not packaged in the main debian repo's unless they release them themselves and submit them
• 2152[17:45:29] <FinalX> well, you have to ask the developer then.
• 2153[17:45:44] <MCMic> Pretty sure he got something else to do :-)
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• 2155[17:46:08] <FinalX> as do the Debian-maintainers than building packages for small projects of developers that don't release anything for Debian..
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• 2157[17:46:12] <FinalX> you can build it yourself...
• 2158[17:46:18] <FinalX> (the package, I mean)
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• 2160[17:47:18] <FinalX> also, it hasn't seen releases since 2014, and there's 2 open issues .. 1 of them since 2014 as well, not exactly current debian stable material
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• 2162[17:48:11] <MCMic> Yeah anyway installing manually I was just asking if anyone knew of a package somewhere since I was surprised there was non
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• 2164[17:48:13] <MCMic> none
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• 2168[17:49:38] <dunderproto> Is there an easy way to re-install/upgrade debian on a system that already has debian?
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• 2176[17:52:31] <jhutchins> dunderproto: Debian has one of the smoothest upgrade paths of any distro.
• 2177[17:52:44] <jhutchins> dunderproto: What's your actual goal?
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• 2181[17:54:09] <jhutchins> MCMic: Most people just learn to use the mount command - not very difficult.
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• 2183[17:54:33] <MCMic> It’s not difficult, it’s just a pain
• 2184[17:54:35] <jhutchins> MCMic: Most DEs have a built-in automount, although they tend to mount things read-only.
• 2185[17:54:44] <jhutchins> MCMic: I don't agree.
• 2186[17:54:53] <MCMic> This is for a computer with no screen, used through ssh
• 2187[17:54:59] <jhutchins> mount -t fs /source /target
• 2188[17:55:12] <MCMic> /target: file not found
• 2189[17:55:15] <jelly> dunderproto: if there's an older release installed, you can follow the release upgrade process, or you can do a fresh installation just like on any other machine
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• 2191[17:55:28] <dunderproto> jhutchins: I have a box with debian on it and would like to perform a clean install, but I was wondering if there was a way to skip using a usb disk/dvd
• 2192[17:55:29] <jhutchins> MCMic: Use brain. Use existing mout point or create one.
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• 2194[17:55:38] <MCMic> jhutchins: Yeah, as I said, it’s a pain
• 2195[17:55:50] <MCMic> Why do that when there is a handy tool for this?
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• 2197[17:55:54] <jhutchins> MCMic: You have a very low threshold.
• 2198[17:56:12] <MCMic> I know I can do the same thing with 5 command, the point is exactly that: do in 1 command instead of 5
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• 2202[17:56:16] <jelly> dunderproto: install guide shows a "debootstrap" way of installing debian from an existing booted linux
• 2203[17:56:25] <jhutchins> MCMic: I don't know how the tool could make it any easier other than creating the mount point, which only takes a moment's thought. Several are available by default.
• 2204[17:56:30] <jelly> dunderproto: it can be a bit tricky, esp. the first time you do it
• 2205[17:56:45] <jhutchins> MCMic: I seldom use more than one command. Very rarely two.
• 2206[17:56:57] <jelly> !install guide
• 2207[17:56:57] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
• 2208[17:57:18] <jhutchins> dunderproto: A "clean" install would require "clean" disk space, but an upgrade can be done in place.
• 2209[17:57:26] <jelly> jhutchins: mkdir is hard
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• 2211[17:57:39] <MCMic> jhutchins: The tool: Lists the partitions and their label, shows which one are already mounted, allows to mount one easily (and creates the folder if needed), allows to unmount as easily once you’re finished
• 2212[17:57:41] <jhutchins> jelly: Typing letters is hard.
• 2213[17:57:48] <jelly> !
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• 2215[17:58:02] <jelly> ;-)
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• 2228[18:02:31] <jelly> apparently writing your own piece of software when there's none doing EXACTLY what you want is not so popular these days
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• 2231[18:03:41] <Igel> anyone running new Ryzen cpu?
• 2232[18:03:54] <Igel> (on jessie, or on stretch)
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• 2234[18:03:57] <teraflops> Igel: just ask
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• 2236[18:04:48] <teraflops> polls are a bit annoying, so ask your real question if any
• 2237[18:04:58] <Igel> no no, i have no question other than that. i'm seeing some post-install things.. making me question if bumping from jessie to stretch will fixthem (doing that now)
• 2238[18:05:22] <mtcjayne> Can anyone explain to me the behavior of using "set interfaces tunnel tun0 local-ip 0.0.0.0" as opposed to specifying an IPv4 address?
• 2239[18:05:41] <Igel> i'm seeing ~3 load average across what, 16 cores.. dead idle, fresh reboot.. reboot seems to take quite a bit of time, and i saw (very early during init) some SMP Oops stuff..
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• 2244[18:07:10] <Igel> first i thought it was obviously just raid first boot sync
• 2245[18:07:40] <AvatarA> try the kernel from jessie-backports Igel
• 2246[18:07:48] <jelly> Igel: which kernel?
• 2247[18:07:52] <AvatarA> no need to update the whole distro
• 2248[18:08:06] <jelly> !bdo kernel
• 2249[18:08:06] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
• 2250[18:08:07] <Igel> aah i hadn't thunk about that
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• 2252[18:08:45] <Igel> its fine its fine, its really, i just built this box... i like stretch.
• 2253[18:08:48] <jelly> make sure to grab any firmware your system needs from jessie-backports as well, the versions of firmware usually need to match with kernel
• 2254[18:09:12] <Igel> theres def some post.install things not working as well..
• 2255[18:09:24] <jelly> but stretch is close to being ready so that's not a bad option either
• 2256[18:09:33] <Igel> something fishy going on.. box shouldnt be this lagged/bottlenecked
• 2257[18:09:43] <Igel> oh yeah
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• 2259[18:10:05] <Igel> i bumped jessie to stretch a couple months ago on lenovo carbon x1
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• 2261[18:10:33] <Igel> kde plasma desktop is remarkably nice
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• 2263[18:11:00] <Igel> anyways.. the apt dist-upgrade is stuck on Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 2264[18:11:03] <dontknow> Igel, it is more stable than kde neon
• 2265[18:11:11] <Igel> oh?
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• 2271[18:15:09] <jelly> dontknow: isn't that the same thing
• 2272[18:15:27] <dontknow> no
• 2273[18:15:28] <Igel> Introducing KDE neon - The latest and greatest of KDE community software packaged on a rock-solid base.
• 2274[18:15:54] <dontknow> jelly, it is based on ubuntu
• 2275[18:15:56] <jelly> oh, neon's kde's own "distro" image
• 2276[18:15:58] <Igel> whats w/ this ubuntu requirement
• 2277[18:16:02] <Igel> ughk
• 2278[18:16:04] <Igel> nope.
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• 2280[18:16:20] <Igel> ubuntu desktop's are -never- stable
• 2281[18:16:37] <teraflops> plasma and rock solid on same sentence does not compute ^
• 2282[18:16:41] <dontknow> yeah jalways trouble
• 2283[18:16:52] <jelly> that may or may not be correct, but is irrelevant in here in any case
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• 2286[18:17:45] <Igel> agreed, yet.. i think we the world needs a competitor to gnome
• 2287[18:18:14] <Igel> and ubuntu for that matter
• 2288[18:18:26] <jelly> kde4 on jessie has been pretty stable for me on hardware at work (intel gpu, ivy bridge, and amd 5450 gpu, too). It's been absolute shit on an older system at home, with either westmere intel gpu, or nvidia 720gt
• 2289[18:18:59] <jelly> so i can't blame plasma for plasma behaving like crap on one system, and working nice on another
• 2290[18:19:55] <Igel> aah , i see the topic
• 2291[18:20:04] <Igel> ETA next month for stretch
• 2292[18:20:21] <teraflops> and nvidia blob can be a pain in the ass if you want wayland
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• 2300[18:22:22] <jelly> blob is still massively more stable even with my aging cards (220gt or 720gt), but I'm pretty surprised with amd gpu with free drivers also being very very stable
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• 2302[18:24:07] * Igel still starring at Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 2304[18:24:22] <Igel> crazy...
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• 2307[18:24:45] <teraflops> Igel: sorry for being offtopic, what was your issue?
• 2308[18:24:51] <Igel> nada
• 2309[18:25:11] <Igel> same topic, future of software and stability with hardware heh
• 2310[18:25:31] <Igel> did a Ryzen install, some RAID-1 in the mix.. Jessie
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• 2313[18:25:57] <Igel> some installs have been busted re: /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/mdadm.postinst configure 3.3.2-5+deb8u2
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• 2315[18:26:20] <teraflops> shiny new hw? you better pick a newer kernel and firmware
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• 2317[18:26:25] <Igel> yeap
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• 2436[19:01:03] <glick> i cant change the background wall paper
• 2437[19:01:08] <glick> i click on the different papers but nothing happens
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• 2446[19:03:17] <Igel> ok the hang was solved by adding GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER="true" in /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober
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• 2448[19:03:34] <Igel> but, only for the update-grub hang.. other ones.. yeah, i thin its kernel related re: SMP
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• 2450[19:03:47] <glick> anyone experience that in Stretch
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• 2454[19:05:47] <glick> anyone?
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• 2456[19:07:39] <Igel> negative
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• 2459[19:08:54] <glick> negative what?
• 2460[19:08:58] <glick> negative you cant change it
• 2461[19:09:03] <glick> or negative you can change it
• 2462[19:09:06] <glick> are you running stretch
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• 2464[19:10:03] <mtn> glick: make a new user, login as the new user. do you still have the same problem?
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• 2472[19:13:15] <glick> ok i guess its a known bug
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• 2474[19:14:27] <mtn> glick: do you still have the problem as a new user? yes or no?
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• 2479[19:15:20] <glick> mtn, i havent tried, im running something right now that i dont want to interrupt
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• 2482[19:15:39] <glick> mtn, what do the two cases mean?
• 2483[19:15:42] <mtn> glick: then how do you know it is a known bug, or a bug at all?
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• 2486[19:16:40] <Igel> cool, bumped jessie to stretch, 4.9.0-3-amd64, loadavg: 0.07
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• 2489[19:17:28] <glick> mtn because its a reported bug on google, a lot of people have it apparently
• 2490[19:17:36] <glick> and it worked with stable
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• 2495[19:18:07] <jelly> glick: if it works as a fresh user: it's a corrupted config somewhere in your home that's preventing it; if it doesn't work with a fresh user: might be an actual bug in code
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• 2498[19:18:50] <jelly> the first one could be a bug as well, but of a slighlty different kind and it would point the developers where to look at
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• 2517[19:27:56] <duckx0r> Is there a channel for cinnamon?
• 2518[19:30:17] <jelly> !cinnamon
• 2519[19:30:17] <dpkg> Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>. replaced-url
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• 2521[19:30:39] <jelly> not any the bot knows of, try /msg alis list cinnamon
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• 2523[19:31:20] <duckx0r> jelly, maybe #linuxmint. Thanks.
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• 2537[19:34:26] <dionysus69> hey
• 2538[19:34:53] <dionysus69> can anyone help me setup a script running environment? would involve bash :\ with which I am not familiar with
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• 2542[19:35:44] <jelly> your interactive shell is a "script running environment", what do you need to set up?
• 2543[19:35:55] <jelly> !goal
• 2544[19:35:55] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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• 2546[19:36:00] <dionysus69> a ruby script environment
• 2547[19:36:16] <jelly> what does that mean
• 2548[19:36:40] <dionysus69> check if git is installed if not install it and clone repo then tar xvf some package move to home, copy some file into ~/bin/ and source .profile
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• 2550[19:36:48] <dionysus69> stuff like that, but I need to automate it :)
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• 2553[19:37:07] <jer0me> bash/shell script is pretty good at that
• 2554[19:37:10] <dionysus69> oh well, then setup rvm and install ruby stable
• 2555[19:37:32] <dionysus69> yes I am up for using bash but could someone of you help me with it?
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• 2557[19:37:54] <dionysus69> I dont even know basics of bash programming flow
• 2558[19:38:19] <dionysus69> I couldnt even figure out variable increment to terminate while loop
• 2559[19:38:52] <teraflops> dionysus69: then youre at the wrong place
• 2560[19:39:00] <dionysus69> #bash ? :D
• 2561[19:39:19] <jelly> yeah
• 2562[19:39:28] <teraflops> Sure and read some stuff
• 2563[19:39:37] <jer0me> maybe start with something like replaced-url
• 2564[19:39:38] <dionysus69> I like this channel more :P and people are friendly like you are one of them :D
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• 2566[19:40:46] <duckx0r> It's still off topic though
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• 2570[19:42:11] <dionysus69> btw
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• 2572[19:42:19] <jer0me> dionysus69: learning some shell scripting fu should not be a waste of time. However, if you are looking into reusing this script, you might as well look at provisioning tools, such as ansible.
• 2573[19:42:21] <dionysus69> i use .profile for startup scripts
• 2574[19:42:41] <dionysus69> but the tut you just posted jer0me clearly says that if .bash_profile is found, .profile is not used.
• 2575[19:43:05] <dionysus69> I actually have .bash_profile but why is .profile still the prior one to be executed at startup?
• 2576[19:43:47] <dionysus69> this is the first line of .bash_profile [[ -s "$HOME/.profile" ]] && source "$HOME/.profile" # Load the default .profile
• 2577[19:44:23] <dionysus69> does this actually run first but then it just runs .profile?
• 2578[19:45:11] <dionysus69> anyways, I ll take a look at ansible thanks
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• 2744[20:55:53] <glick> hey for tor connectivity do i want socks4 or socks5 connectivity to localhost
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• 2756[20:59:52] <stemid> but you can use that tor dns proxy, I forget its name.
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• 2808[21:23:20] <mitki> is the log bugged?
• 2809[21:23:34] <mitki> I mean replaced-url
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• 2830[21:30:23] <jelly> !seen apt
• 2831[21:30:23] <dpkg> apt <ibot@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17d 1h 37m 52s ago, saying: 'greycat: i forgot does not know which repositories'.
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• 2833[21:30:37] <jelly> mitki: buggy? Possibly.
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• 2835[21:31:02] <uxfi> hey jelly
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• 2843[21:32:37] <jelly> May 18 05:50:55 <-- apt has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) seems to match last time those public logs got updated
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• 2845[21:32:55] <jelly> hey you
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• 2849[21:36:38] <mitki> uuh thank you
• 2850[21:36:39] <mitki> RIP
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• 2872[21:42:09] <ludoviko> /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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• 2900[21:51:16] <e-Jim> Hello there. Do you know if there are plans to upgrade Firefox ESR to version 52 in Jessie. I see that even in Stretch the package is in version 45, which will soon go End-Of-Life. If you don't know, is there any easy way for me the search the info?
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• 2902[21:52:03] <missmbob> no. newer versions require rust, which jessie cant support
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• 2910[21:55:05] <e-Jim> missmbob: Are you sure about the ESR version? I saw that there is a package of ESR 52 (but not for the current stable) for Jessie on mozilla.debian.net
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• 2913[21:55:49] <missmbob> m.d.n mentions the rust thing
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• 2917[21:58:42] <oo_miguel> sensors (from lm-sensors, with the coretemp kernel module loaded) reports each time identical core temperatures which can not be correct
• 2918[21:59:03] <e-Jim> Damn. Do you know if Rust is supported on stretch?
• 2919[21:59:09] <oo_miguel> ... and the reported values change between restarts
• 2920[21:59:19] <oo_miguel> what might be causing this?
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• 2923[21:59:46] <missmbob> e-Jim: i dont use mozilla. try it
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• 2931[22:01:49] <e-Jim> missmbob: I will!
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• 2979[22:22:38] <rdz> hey all. i created an mdraid with only 4 from 6 available disks. the remaining two disks are now marked as spare. I had a conceptual misunderstanding when setting up the array and thought those two would be the parity disks..
• 2980[22:22:58] <rdz> however, what i want to have is to use 6 disks in the RAID-6 array instead of only 4
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• 2983[22:23:25] <rdz> is there a way to online include the disks marked as spares into the existing array?
• 2984[22:23:32] <toruvinn> spares are not active disks, they're in there just so you can easily put them to work should one of your active drives fail
• 2985[22:23:36] <toruvinn> rdz, i think youy wanted missing, not spare
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• 2987[22:24:34] <rdz> toruvinn, what do you mean by "missing"? i think i wanted to not use spares at all, using level 6 will all available disks
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• 2989[22:27:39] <toruvinn> rdz, "missing" in place of a device name when you create an array creates the array with a device, well, missing. an empty slot for something you'll add later.
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• 2992[22:29:46] <rdz> seems like md allows to dynamically increase the number of used devices
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• 2994[22:30:37] <toruvinn> --grow, should be
• 2995[22:30:45] <toruvinn> not sure if for raid6 though... possibly
• 2996[22:31:17] <rdz> toruvinn, hm... it didn't complain about the level but about the fact that it is still in resync
• 2997[22:31:38] <rdz> so i have to wait.. unless there is a way to stop resync and do the reshape anyway
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• 3000[22:32:02] <toruvinn> > Currently supported growth options including changing the active size of component devices and changing the number of active devices in Linear and RAID levels 0/1/4/5/6
• 3001[22:32:08] <toruvinn> so should be fine
• 3002[22:32:13] <rdz> cool
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• 3007[22:34:06] <toruvinn> rdz, so if i remember mdadm correctly, next time it's something along the lines of mdadm -C /dev/md1 -n 6 -r 6 /dev/sd[abcd]1 missing missing
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• 3010[22:34:56] <toruvinn> you may wanna specify bitmap, different superblock (-e) version, etc. also names (-N iirc). but the point is "missing" is valid in place of a device name
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• 3012[22:35:23] <toruvinn> of course it wouldnt work with -l 0 (also, -l not -r)
• 3013[22:35:32] <rdz> ah...
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• 3015[22:35:38] <toruvinn> (it's for "level" not for "RAID" ;-) glad I have man mdadm1)
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• 3018[22:36:04] <toruvinn> also md raid is lovely, to be honest. i much prefer it even to hardware raid. not to mention the, erm, portability.
• 3019[22:36:12] <toruvinn> just move the drives to another PC, voila. it works. ;-)
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• 3023[22:36:58] <rdz> yeah... i just converted a 3ware raid-6 to JBOD and mdraid level 6
• 3024[22:37:12] <rdz> didn't set it up with mdadm directly, but with the debian installer
• 3025[22:37:20] <rdz> and wasn't quite sure what it was asking me
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• 3030[22:38:26] <toruvinn> rdz, you should be able to easily remove those spares, set the number of spares to 0 and grow the array to -n 6
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• 3033[22:38:45] <toruvinn> rdz, though i have to say, i never played with raid5 nor 6 in mdadm.
• 3034[22:38:47] <rdz> apparently not when it is doing a resync
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• 3036[22:39:02] <toruvinn> i was thinking of getting 6 8TB or 10TB drives to do that, but their price is still a bit too high :-<
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• 3067[22:54:27] <ThePortWhisperer> hello
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• 3069[22:54:52] <ThePortWhisperer> having an issue running apache that seems linked to some inability of systemd to mount /tmp/
• 3070[22:54:59] <ThePortWhisperer> replaced-url
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• 3073[22:55:31] <ThePortWhisperer> anyone have ideas on fixing this
• 3074[22:55:45] <zykotick9> ThePortWhisperer: kali isn't supported in #d...
• 3075[22:56:07] <zykotick9> !kali
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• 3078[22:57:01] <ThePortWhisperer> -_-
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• 3131[23:22:41] <aZz7eCh> is jelly still about ? :P
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• 3177[23:37:32] <aZz7eCh> well if you come back >> jelly << and can remember back to this little unit i'm trying to get debian installed on .. I tried the testing from 26, and the new firmware one - both same result unfortunately. however ... just now, out of curiosity ... i plugged the hdmi monitor into the unit, and powered it on. ... blow me down if it didn't boot straight into gnome in 2 seconds... both the netbook, AND the monitor - both at correct high resolutions.
• 3178[23:37:33] <aZz7eCh> I figured, great, while i'm in here, i'll disable the second display, and that way hopefully its now told to just use the netbooks ... shutdown and restart ... damn. black screen again.
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• 3181[23:37:57] <aZz7eCh> can this new information shed any new hopeful possibilities
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• 3184[23:38:56] <aZz7eCh> and yes i tried the rc4 aswell
• 3185[23:39:52] <aZz7eCh> obviously gnome is clapping out trying to do something with hdmi on bootup but finding no monitor attached? is there some way i can tell it not to bother with it ?
• 3186[23:40:19] <cef> aZz7eCh: what machine? and what kernel?
• 3187[23:40:40] <aZz7eCh> cef: a newish dell 11 3162
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• 3189[23:40:57] <cef> aZz7eCh: intel video?
• 3190[23:41:02] <aZz7eCh> sorry for being a noob but i have no idea what kernel
• 3191[23:41:06] <aZz7eCh> yep intel video
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• 3195[23:41:36] <cef> are you using jessie or stretch?
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• 3198[23:41:44] <aZz7eCh> weekly RC4 is the current installed version of debian mate - sorry to be slightly off channel.
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• 3200[23:41:55] <aZz7eCh> i presume if i go back to stable - we'll be having the same discussion
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• 3202[23:42:51] <cef> to check which kernel: uname -a
• 3203[23:42:51] <aZz7eCh> first time off stable ever to be honest - trying everything to get it working on this little thing
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• 3209[23:44:15] <aZz7eCh> uname -a netted: Linux Dell 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.25-1 (2017-05-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 3213[23:45:24] <cef> yup.. onll 4.9.x all the way to 4.11 has a bunch of issues around intel video. 4.11.2 or 4.11.3 kernel has a fix for some of these. unfortunately it's so new it's not even in experimental yet (last i looked yesterday)\
• 3214[23:45:43] <aZz7eCh> ahhhh darn
• 3215[23:45:48] <aZz7eCh> so no way to fix ?
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• 3217[23:46:51] <aZz7eCh> i mean - once i have it booted i can unplug the hdmi and go about my business
• 3218[23:46:58] <aZz7eCh> cant carry a monitor around with me tho lol
• 3219[23:47:02] <AlexLikeRock> GNUs
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• 3221[23:49:20] <cef> aZz7eCh: you can either build your own kernel, or there are some "work arounds" I've seen. I don't have the details though sorry. afaik it's the intel i965 driver & the kernel not behaving together, tho it might be specifically when the machine has more than one video driver (eg: intel/nvidia combo).
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• 3226[23:51:20] <cef> aZz7eCh: I have a similar problem in that I have a PC that works fine if I don't put another video card in it.. if I put in a different video card, nothing works with the current kernel. have to remove the card and fall back to built in video.
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• 3228[23:51:52] <cef> aZz7eCh: and there's no backports available yet, cos stretch (which is what you're using) isn't actually released yet.
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• 3231[23:53:20] <cef> aZz7eCh: might be worth asking on #debian-next on oftc.net tho.. that's the best place to ask questions re: Stretch. I know these sorts of issues have come up in convo there before, so maybe someone there can suggest a workaround.
• 3232[23:54:01] <aZz7eCh> k
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• 3236[23:55:44] <cef> aZz7eCh: sorry I can't help any more. :/ Tho it's not even 8am here and I've only just started my first coffee -> not quite 100% awake.
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• 3239[23:56:20] <cef> aZz7eCh: I have seen people mention that issue tho a few times, not just in debian but in a few other distros.. so it's not just you. ;)
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