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0 [00:00:11] <storrgie> BCMM and LtL fresh installs, both have
same class graphics card (one is a thinkpad t470 other is t480, both
with integrated graphics)
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6 [00:02:03] <LtL> storrgie: i can boot my t530, what info can
i help with from my laptop on a fresh stretch install
7 [00:02:25] <LtL> fresh as in when stretch released.
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62 [00:36:00] <candle24> deleting nvidia drivers and rebooting
didnt help, how can I find and delete all backports packages?
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64 [00:38:24] <LtL> candle24: aptitude search
'?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F
'%100p' # this will show all installed backported packages
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80 [00:51:03] <candle24> LtL: it seems like I dont have any
backports packages installed anymore, what else could be causing the
issues in dependencies
81 [00:51:46] <candle24>
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86 [00:55:03] <storrgie> LtL, not so much that, just confused as
to why gdm defaults to X11 on this system
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91 [00:58:00] <LtL> candle24: apt-get autoclean ; apt-get
autoremove ; apt-get -f install ; dpkg --configure -a
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99 [01:02:42] <LtL> candle24: if the problem persists do,
aptitude why-not packagename
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102 [01:03:09] <candle24> LtL: will try that thank you a lot for
the help
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104 [01:03:25] <LtL> candle24: good luck and welcome
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112 [01:09:21] <candle24> LtL: aptitude downgraded few
dependencies and it started working yay!
113 [01:09:38] <LtL> candle24: nice
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124 [01:22:47] <Kobaz> so... getting random dns failures
125 [01:23:19] <Kobaz> it's the typical... "host works
but ssh doesn't"
126 [01:23:51] <Kobaz> and it's commpletely random... not
sure what to debug.... i've checked the obvious like nsswitch
and etc
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128 [01:25:09] <SerajewelKS> Kobaz: what about "getent host
foobar.com"
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131 [01:25:41] <Kobaz> Unknown database: host
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133 [01:25:56] <themill> hosts
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135 [01:26:27] <Kobaz> ah
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137 [01:26:29] <Kobaz> interesting
138 [01:26:40] <Kobaz> okay so that works. never knew about that
one
139 [01:26:50] <Kobaz> but dns is working for now... but
it'll probably break in a few minutes
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141 [01:27:33] <Kobaz>
replaced-url
142 [01:27:36] <Kobaz> basically it's that problem
143 [01:27:45] <Kobaz> except i AM using FQDNs
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156 [01:34:31] <woenx> SerajewelKS: Hey, remember me?
157 [01:34:46] <Kobaz> memberberries
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159 [01:35:22] <woenx> haha
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171 [01:40:13] <woenx> SerajewelKS: a few days ago we expanded
the filesystem of an RAID1 array. However, for some reason, only one
of the two disks are currently in the array, and the second one
complaints that it is "not large enough to join array".
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174 [01:42:40] <Kobaz> mdadm raid?
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176 [01:43:30] <Kobaz> woenx: first of all... do you have
backups?
177 [01:43:46] <woenx> Kobaz: yes I have
178 [01:43:53] <Kobaz> mdadm raid or lvm?
179 [01:43:58] <Kobaz> or are you mixing both?
180 [01:43:59] <woenx> but I'd rather not lose data
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183 [01:44:06] <woenx> just RAID
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188 [01:44:16] <Kobaz> soooooo... mdadm?
189 [01:44:40] <Kobaz> LVM can do raid as well... so it makes a
difference
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191 [01:44:44] <woenx> drive /dev/md0 is composed by drives
/dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdd1
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194 [01:44:50] <Kobaz> okay so md
195 [01:44:56] <woenx> yes mdadm, although an old version....
196 [01:44:58] <Kobaz> pastebin your cat /proc/mdstat
197 [01:45:10] <Kobaz> also pastebin fdisk -l
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199 [01:45:31] <woenx>
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201 [01:45:56] <Kobaz> and also pastebin mdadm --detail /dev/md0
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203 [01:46:40] <woenx> and the fdisk
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204 [01:47:04] <Kobaz> your server is called Box?
205 [01:47:05] <Kobaz> hehe
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208 [01:47:16] <woenx>
replaced-url
209 [01:47:21] <woenx> Original, isn't it?
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211 [01:47:48] <woenx> it actually has a story... it started as a
pentium2 in a shoebox that has been upgraded over time
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213 [01:48:04] <Kobaz> hahahaa
214 [01:48:35] <woenx> now it's a core2duo with 4gb of ram,
I think
215 [01:48:35] <Kobaz>
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216 [01:48:37] <Kobaz> need onf ot hose
217 [01:48:39] <Kobaz> oooo core2
218 [01:48:40] <Kobaz> upgrade
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220 [01:49:24] <woenx> it looked like that when I first ran it,
all scattered over my desk, before I put everything in the shoebox (
and becoming a fire hazard)
221 [01:49:32] <Kobaz> i just built a xeon L5420
222 [01:49:37] <Kobaz> dual processor
223 [01:49:42] <woenx> nice
224 [01:49:43] <Kobaz> putting together a new storage server
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226 [01:50:01] <Kobaz> the processor is like 10 years old
227 [01:50:02] <Kobaz> but
228 [01:50:07] <Kobaz> you dont need much to spin disks
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230 [01:50:44] <woenx> exactly. Even a raspberry pi can work for
a basic NAS, if you are not very picky
231 [01:50:55] <Kobaz>
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232 [01:51:18] <woenx> that's a big case...
233 [01:51:55] <Kobaz> holds 12 drives in the bottom, plus
it's got 6, 5.25 bays which can fit two four bay drive
enclosures
234 [01:51:59] <woenx> wow
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236 [01:52:13] <Abdullah> so what's the latest kernel? I
wanna test secure boot with some different kernels to find if my
hook will work or I'll end up hitting my laptop ;-)
237 [01:52:28] <Kobaz>
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238 [01:52:28] <Abdullah>
replaced-url
239 [01:52:34] <Kobaz> looks like 5.0-rc3
240 [01:52:49] <Abdullah> I don't wanna compile Kobaz
I'm not on gentoo
241 [01:52:55] <Kobaz> if you want a packaged kernel, check
experimental
242 [01:53:08] <Kobaz> i don't want to be compiled either
243 [01:53:33] <Abdullah> from kernel.org you can source.
244 [01:54:11] <Abdullah> Just tried to sign kernel which I had
with my own keys and it booted with secure boot enabled
245 [01:54:34] <Abdullah> but I wanna make sure if I get an
upgrade, it should automate it
246 [01:54:43] <Kobaz> so umm
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248 [01:54:56] <Kobaz> woenx: you said... [19:44:44]
<woenx> drive /dev/md0 is composed by drives /dev/sdb1 and
/dev/sdd1
249 [01:55:02] <woenx> yes
250 [01:55:07] <Kobaz> sdb is 500 GB
251 [01:55:14] <Kobaz> i think you want to add in sdc
252 [01:55:17] <woenx> but I can seem to add /dev/sdd1 to the
array now that it has been enlarged
253 [01:55:24] <Abdullah> and I really missed the debian wiki
tutorial on it. what the hell, how much community we have and no
proper guide oni t
254 [01:55:33] <Kobaz> sdc is your other 4TB drive
255 [01:55:41] <Kobaz> you can't mirror a 4TB and a 500GB
256 [01:55:42] <woenx> sorry, yes, /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1 I
meant
257 [01:55:53] <Kobaz> unless you make a 500GB partition on it to
mirror
258 [01:55:58] <Kobaz> okay haha
259 [01:56:05] <woenx> sdc1 is already in the raid, but I can
seem to add sdd1
260 [01:56:07] <Abdullah> They want me to use shim or some other
thing I wanna use my own keys.
261 [01:56:19] <Abdullah> and I was successfully able to boot
with my own keys.
262 [01:56:29] <Kobaz> why do you have GPT on one drive and msdos
disk label on the other
263 [01:56:45] <Abdullah> I just wanna make sure if I get an
upgrade it should sign the kernel with my keys
264 [01:56:52] <woenx> Kobaz: by the way, last week, that RAID
was 750GB, and I (with some help) expanded it to 4TB now that I
substituted the two hard drives for larger ones)
265 [01:57:06] <Kobaz> you can't make a 4TB partition with
an msdos disk label
266 [01:57:08] <woenx> so this is the situation right after
expanding the partition
267 [01:57:12] <Kobaz> change /dev/sdd to GPT
268 [01:57:21] <Kobaz> recreate the partition, and add it into
the mirror
269 [01:57:30] <Kobaz> it's not active anyway so you wont
lose any data
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271 [01:57:37] <Kobaz> clear the MD signature on the drive as
well
272 [01:57:44] <Kobaz> make SURE You're operating on the
correct drive
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274 [01:57:56] <Kobaz> but redo /dev/sdd from scratch, and that
will fix your problem
275 [01:58:15] <Kobaz> dev/sdd1 63 1465144064 732572001 83 Linux
276 [01:58:20] <Kobaz> dev/sdc1 1 4294967295 2147483647+ ee GPT
277 [01:58:27] <woenx> how would you do that, to make sure it has
exactly the same parameters as sdc1?
278 [01:58:32] <woenx> I see
279 [01:58:46] <Kobaz> use sfdisk
280 [01:58:58] <Kobaz>
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281 [01:59:14] <Kobaz> sfdisk -d /dev/sdd > part_table
282 [01:59:16] <woenx> oh, nice, I'll check it out
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284 [01:59:25] <Kobaz> er wrong way
285 [01:59:29] <Kobaz> save sdc
286 [01:59:34] <Kobaz> sfdisk -d /dev/sdc > part_table
287 [01:59:43] <Kobaz> and then put part_table onto sdd
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289 [02:00:16] <woenx> oh, but: WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition
Table) detected on '/dev/sdc'! The util sfdisk
doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
290 [02:00:24] <whislock> sgdisk.
291 [02:00:25] <Kobaz> ah, oh yeah
292 [02:00:40] <woenx> probably brcause i'm using an old
version of sfdisk
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296 [02:02:05] <Kobaz> gdisk
297 [02:02:08] <Kobaz> that's funny
298 [02:02:12] <Kobaz> fdisk -> gdisk
299 [02:02:15] <Kobaz> i get it!
300 [02:02:30] <Kobaz>
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301 [02:03:01] <woenx> so sgdisk instead of sfdisk, right?
302 [02:03:12] <Kobaz> gdisk
303 [02:03:15] <Kobaz> plain old gdisk
304 [02:03:20] <Kobaz> there's no s in it
305 [02:03:24] <whislock> sgdisk is to gdisk what sfdisk is to
fdisk.
306 [02:03:47] <woenx> I see
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308 [02:04:01] <woenx> "The second command randomizes the
GUID on the disk and all the partitions. This is only necessary if
the disks are to be used in the same machine, otherwise it's
unnecessary." --> Should I be worried about this?
309 [02:04:21] <Kobaz> yes
310 [02:04:25] <Kobaz> you need new uuids
311 [02:04:27] <woenx> ok
312 [02:04:31] <whislock> sgdisk -R <destination disk>
<origin disk> ; sgdisk -G <destination disk>
313 [02:04:32] <woenx> but just for the new partition, right?
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315 [02:04:38] <Kobaz> correct, for the new one
316 [02:04:48] <woenx> ok
317 [02:04:55] <whislock> woenx: Look at what I just typed.
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320 [02:05:12] <woenx> whislock: thanks
321 [02:05:17] <Kobaz> right you can use sg for the
non-interactive way
322 [02:06:20] <woenx> ok, done
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324 [02:06:28] <woenx> so now I should be able to add that disk
to the array...
325 [02:06:33] <woenx> well, partition
326 [02:07:08] <Kobaz> yeah
327 [02:07:12] <Kobaz> when it's the same size
328 [02:07:15] <Kobaz> it'll work at lot better
329 [02:07:28] <woenx> mdadm: /dev/sdd1 is larger than /dev/md0
can effectively use. Add --force is you really want to add this
device.
330 [02:07:35] <woenx>
¥’‘ó'»¬
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332 [02:07:38] <woenx> arg
333 [02:07:40] <Kobaz> yeah sure
334 [02:07:43] <Kobaz> that's perfectly fine
335 [02:07:46] <woenx> should I force it?
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337 [02:07:51] <Kobaz> yeap
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339 [02:08:01] <Kobaz> it just wont use the end of the drive
340 [02:08:03] <Kobaz> you can't anyway
341 [02:08:03] <woenx> mdadm: re-added /dev/sdd1
342 [02:08:06] <woenx> I know
343 [02:08:26] <woenx> yaya
344 [02:08:27] <Kobaz> Partition 1 does not start on physical
sector boundary.
345 [02:08:29] <Kobaz> on /dev/sdc
346 [02:08:31] <woenx> yay, it's resyncing
347 [02:08:32] <Kobaz> so that's why
348 [02:08:40] <woenx> it's going to take a few hours though
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350 [02:08:45] <woenx> aha
351 [02:08:55] <Kobaz> your stuff doesn't line up
352 [02:08:58] <Kobaz> but that's okay
353 [02:09:06] <Kobaz> you'll take a itty bitty performance
hit
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355 [02:09:19] <woenx> yes, it's fine
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357 [02:09:42] <Kobaz> like literally microscopic, becase
it'll only affect reads of the first sector
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359 [02:09:44] <woenx> by the way, what is this: bitmap: 3/4
pages [12KB], 524288KB chunk ?
360 [02:09:52] <woenx> (in /proc/mdstat )
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362 [02:10:02] <Kobaz> that's new output actually first time
i'm seeing that
363 [02:10:03] <Kobaz> what kernel?
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365 [02:10:29] <woenx> ehhhh 2.6.32-openvz-042stab133.1-amd64 #1
SMP Thu Aug 16 13:17:56 MSK 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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367 [02:10:34] <Kobaz> oh
368 [02:10:35] <Kobaz> haha
369 [02:10:45] <Kobaz> something specific with openvz then
370 [02:10:49] <woenx> yes
371 [02:10:50] <Kobaz> that's not normal output
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373 [02:11:02] <woenx> ok
374 [02:11:17] <Kobaz> so, you do container stuff?
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378 [02:11:32] <Kobaz> lxc is REALLY AWESOME by the way
379 [02:11:36] <Kobaz> if you want to modernize
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383 [02:12:12] <Kobaz> and you can use a kernel that's not
10 years old
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386 [02:12:39] <woenx> Yes, I've been thinbking about that
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388 [02:12:49] <woenx> but I have to asses the pros and cons
389 [02:13:12] <woenx> but yes, I've had some compatibility
issues because of the old and custom kernel
390 [02:13:38] <Kobaz> ah
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392 [02:14:23] <Kobaz> just started playing with some lxc stuff a
few days ago and this is going to really streamline our production
deployments
393 [02:14:34] <woenx> I'll see if there an easy to way to
port virtual machines from openvz to lxc
394 [02:14:38] <woenx> aha
395 [02:14:42] <Kobaz> i'm tired of doing apt-get
dist-upgrades on production servers. so we're going to deploy
app containers
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397 [02:15:34] <Kobaz> we use virtualbox for vmx
398 [02:15:37] <Kobaz> but
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400 [02:15:46] <Kobaz> probably going to migrate a lot of this
stuff to lxc
401 [02:15:55] <Kobaz> tremendously more light weight
402 [02:16:34] <woenx> aha
403 [02:16:40] <woenx> yes
404 [02:16:54] <woenx> is there a gui (or web interface) for lxc?
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407 [02:17:22] * rant barfs
408 [02:17:25] <Kobaz> looks like proxmox
409 [02:17:26] <Kobaz> but
410 [02:17:27] <Kobaz> honestly
411 [02:17:32] <Kobaz> the management is so easy
412 [02:17:33] <Kobaz> you dont need it
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415 [02:17:40] <rant> heh
416 [02:18:04] <rant> Kobaz: that was impressive
417 [02:18:07] <Kobaz> haha
418 [02:18:20] <Kobaz> thanks! i try my best to entertain
419 [02:18:29] <SlidingHorn> Kobaz - Try to keep your thoughts on
fewer lines to prevent that in the future :)=
420 [02:18:35] <rant> never seen anyine trigger flood protwction
typing
421 [02:18:51] <rant> !enter
422 [02:18:51] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
423 [02:18:53] <Kobaz> but anyway.... lxc is ridiculously
easy.... create, start, attach, kill
424 [02:19:00] <pagetelegram> woenx: maybe try looking into these
deb recommendations: dbus-user-session pinentry-gnome3 tor apparmor
btrfs-tools lvm2
425 [02:19:32] <maxrazer> Is there any menu lancher I can use
with DWM for listing applications using the .desktop files?
426 [02:19:42] <maxrazer> In categories and all that.
427 [02:20:28] <maxrazer> Something that can run with a tiling
window manager.
428 [02:20:34] <SlidingHorn> maxrazer: as far as I'm aware,
anything that's going to separate things into categories is
going to pull in a lot of extra libs, etc. Might want to stick with
dmenu or rofi
429 [02:20:52] <rant> maxrazer: deskmenu maybe
430 [02:21:09] <Abdullah> maxrazer: rofi can do that but I forgot
it
431 [02:21:28] <maxrazer> I've heard of Rofi and Kupfer, but
I don't think they are categorized and use .dekstop files.
432 [02:21:29] <woenx> pagetelegram: thanks
433 [02:21:39] <Abdullah> they do
434 [02:21:49] <Abdullah> atleast rofi did it for me in past
435 [02:21:57] <maxrazer> Oh, ok. I thought they were like dmenu.
436 [02:22:14] <rant> ,depends deskmenu
437 [02:22:15] <judd> Package deskmenu in stretch/amd64 --
depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.2.5), libcairo2
(>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>=
2.2.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0),
libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxext6.
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439 [02:22:44] <pagetelegram> ,weather 60651
440 [02:23:10] <SlidingHorn> pagetelegram: Cold & windy.
that'll be $5
441 [02:23:44] <pagetelegram> lol, forgot what the bot syntax
was.
442 [02:26:03] <OerHeks> inxi -wxxx
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452 [02:38:39] <karlpinc> rwp: Thank you.
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477 [03:05:57] <SerajewelKS> woenx: just saw your messages -- did
you get help here?
478 [03:06:53] <SerajewelKS> woenx: i'm getting ready for
bed early (have night shift with the baby tonight)
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481 [03:07:00] <SerajewelKS> woenx: so i'll be available for
just a bit
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483 [03:08:48] <SerajewelKS> woenx: the fdisk output is a bit
suspicious
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486 [03:09:15] <SerajewelKS> woenx: can you show me the parted
"print" output for sdc and sdd?
487 [03:09:29] <SerajewelKS> woenx: my guess is that since sdd
doesn't have a compatibility msdos label, the kernel
didn't probe it or something...
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489 [03:10:03] <SerajewelKS> woenx: "blockdev --getsz"
on sdc1 and sdd1 would also be helpful
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510 [03:19:35] <Abdullah> No rule to make target
'../../certs/test-signing-certs.pem', needed by
'certs/x509_certificate_list'. Stop.
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519 [03:24:10] <beepnboop-> i'm so sick of this garbage
distro, tlp stopped working for the 10th thousand time
520 [03:24:39] <beepnboop-> why cant this distro just work and
stop breaking shit every week or two
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522 [03:25:22] <themill> Glad you've got an alternative,
bye!
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529 [03:30:05] <dvs> The only time I see an install breaks is
when people want to try sns.
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534 [03:30:35] <beepnboop-> i have no idea why it dose this shit
over and over and over
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536 [03:31:02] <whislock> !sns
537 [03:31:02] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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556 [03:39:51] <Whiskey`> herm
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567 [03:50:45] <rant> themill: someone had asked the other day
about the claim in dpkg's factoid that linux hasn't been
able to properly boot with sysvinit since 2003, I noticed you were
the last to modify that factoid.. do you know of a reference for
that claim?
568 [03:51:28] <rant> I dug around a bit, couldnt find anything
related to it
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571 [03:53:12] <woenx> SerajewelKS: parted print output:
replaced-url
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573 [03:54:53] <woenx> SerajewelKS: blockdev and more:
replaced-url
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575 [03:55:29] <woenx> SerajewelKS: it seems that it should be
fine now. the new partition is still syncing. I'll check
tomorrow morning when it will have finished.
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578 [03:55:54] <woenx> SerajewelKS: oh, it seems to have finished
now. good
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585 [04:03:18] <SerajewelKS> woenx: oh i thought you said it
refused to add the other disk?
586 [04:03:40] <SerajewelKS> woenx: the second paste you gave
indicates that it's done syncing
587 [04:03:44] <SerajewelKS> oh you said that
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589 [04:04:15] <SerajewelKS> it probably just had to catch up on
changes since the array was started without the other disk.
that's where that write intent bitmap is useful! it only had to
sync the chunks that changed.
590 [04:04:27] <SerajewelKS> it's probably worth figuring
out why it failed to start automatically though
591 [04:04:37] <SerajewelKS> well, started degraded anyway
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593 [04:04:53] <SerajewelKS> you said something about it not
adding the other disk because it wasn't big enough. how did you
resolve that?
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595 [04:08:35] <SerajewelKS> oh i see, editing the partition
table. but i thought we did that when growing the array? theres
fuckery afoot.
596 [04:09:08] <SerajewelKS> glad it is working for the moment,
though
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600 [04:10:19] <SerajewelKS> you might make sure that none of the
other disks have a GPT with a 4TB partition... maybe last time we
edited the wrong disk, though i'm not sure how we would have.
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615 [04:25:04] <woenx> SerajewelKS: I checked fdisk and mdadm and
it seems to be all fine.
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622 [04:32:12] <woenx> Well, I think Iḿ going to close this for
today
623 [04:32:16] <woenx> goodnight everybody
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688 [05:42:05] <pagetelegram> is wpa-cli depreciated? got
suppliment installed and no wpa-cli?
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716 [06:00:48] <rant> ,find bin/wpa-cli
717 [06:00:52] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
718 [06:01:07] <rant> ,find bin/wpa-cli jessie
719 [06:01:12] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
720 [06:02:07] <rant> wth.. my touchpad is suddenly not clicking
on anything :P
721 [06:02:48] <rant> ,find wpa-cli
722 [06:02:54] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
723 [06:03:01] * rant shrugs
724 [06:03:13] <rant> I was gonna search p.d.o but no clicky
725 [06:03:43] <themill> it's _ not -
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727 [06:03:52] <themill> ,find bin/wpa_cli
728 [06:03:57] <judd> Search for bin/wpa_cli in stretch/amd64:
wpasupplicant: sbin/wpa_cli
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730 [06:04:08] <rant> ah, there you have it..
731 [06:04:20] <rant> themill: any word on my earlier question?
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733 [06:05:49] <rant> in re:
734 [06:05:52] <rant> !sysvinit
735 [06:05:52] <dpkg> sysvinit is an essential package providing
System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init) required to boot a
Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . As
of sysvinit 2.88dsf-3, concurrent (parallel) booting is the default
when <dependency based startup> is enabled. sysvinit
hasn't been able to correctly boot the Linux kernel since 2003,
which is why alternatives have been actively pursued.
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738 [06:06:35] <pagetelegram> can I easily go from systemd to
sysvinit?
739 [06:06:52] <rant> yeah, as easily as going from debian to
devaun :P
740 [06:07:27] <rant> I was trying to figure out if anyone had a
citation for that comment about sysvinit not being able to correctly
boot linux
741 [06:07:42] <rant> themill was last one to modify that
factoid.. thought they might know
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743 [06:09:57] <themill> doesn't mean I wrote that bit of it
though... and it was last edited 5ish years ago
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750 [06:11:49] <themill> I assume the 2003 comment is referring
back to a new requirement with the 2.6 kernel
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752 [06:13:46] <themill> as enumerating devices because
non-deterministic an event-based model for boot was basically
required but instead the cracks were papered over with all manner of
udev hackery.
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759 [06:20:37] <Abdullah> Linux ak 5.0.0-rc3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed
Jan 23 07:13:22 PKT 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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772 [06:29:59] <t3st3r> its wpa_cli, not wpa-cli...
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775 [06:31:19] <pagetelegram> !# thank you...simple things like
that
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779 [06:38:48] <pagetelegram> setup another console deb though on
usb thumb from another laptop....I installed grub on the thumb and
now when I try to boot I get "Missing OS" /
"Operating System Not Found." is this an easy fix?
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782 [06:41:12] <Abdullah> what's your problem?
783 [06:41:21] <Abdullah> what you wanna achieve?
784 [06:42:15] <pagetelegram> Abdullah....just want to learn so I
can be more functional with terminal
785 [06:42:51] <pagetelegram> Terminal has become my playland for
last two weeks.
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787 [06:43:50] <Abdullah> pagetelegram: are you really interested
in it?
788 [06:44:00] <Abdullah> what you just said
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790 [06:46:02] <pagetelegram> Yes, I can get more done quicker
and the terminal is less distractions and taskswitching not forcing
the brain to multitask.
791 [06:47:34] <Abdullah> I don't know much about grub. As I
never installed it myself.
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814 [07:05:32] <Jmabsd> Does KVM-QEMU need a separate package to
UEFI-boot the guest??
815 [07:08:24] <Jmabsd> Ah,
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817 [07:10:52] <pagetelegram> Any tool for console only debian
that can use screen buffer and capture it to a bitmap or some
graphic format? Something that does not require me to fill my hard
drive with X11 stuff?
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819 [07:12:39] <well_laid_lawn> pagetelegram: have a look at
fbgrab
820 [07:13:34] <pagetelegram> ^ thanks :)
821 [07:13:41] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
822 [07:14:01] <Jmabsd> aha, the "ovmf" package
contains AMD64 UEFI guest firmware.
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828 [07:18:10] <pagetelegram> wow this works great! just point it
to the tty # and filename....love it!
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831 [07:19:05] <well_laid_lawn> there are more fb* programs
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845 [07:26:53] <amvodf> I wanted to switch from xterm from my
xfce install to stterm and I did apt-get install stterm. But it
seems that there is no config.h file in my system after I checked
with "sudo find / -name "config.h"
846 [07:27:28] <amvodf> I don't know if it's wise for
me to just do make install instead.
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852 [07:32:37] <well_laid_lawn> I'd pull from github any
program I'd have to build
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872 [07:48:42] <amvodf> well_laid_lawn, what place do you usually
store the files when you mannually install program? $HOME,
/usr/local/src , /usr/src a mix of all therm?
873 [07:49:33] <dka> How can I loop until IP:port is not
responding using bash ?
874 [07:49:34] <well_laid_lawn> amvodf: I have made a ~/build dir
for different programs I build
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883 [07:54:14] <madrik> Greetings.
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894 [08:00:37] <well_laid_lawn> amvodf: I have made a ~/.bin/ dir
that I added to the start of $PATH for the exxecutables I have built
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911 [08:21:36] <foobiebletch> debian rules!
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917 [08:25:42] <amvodf> suppose I want this program to work for
all users including root, I would have to put it in /usr/local/src
and /usr/local/bin ?
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922 [08:33:50] <furrymcgee> yes I think /usr/local/... according
to filesystem hierarchy standard but in debian this is no shell
default path for all users, usually you build a package to install a
program in a system directory with apt or dpkg
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927 [08:39:47] <amvodf> furrymcgee, this is what I installed
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928 [08:40:16] <amvodf> in particular the
stterm_0.8.1.orig.tar.gz, I don't know how important is
stterm_0.8.1-2.dsc and stterm_0.8.1-2.debian.tar.xz
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933 [08:41:00] <amvodf> I then created a ~/build folder and
unzipped and untarred the ball.
934 [08:42:14] <amvodf> Doing apt-get source stterm , only
suggests me to go use git.
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936 [08:42:42] <amvodf> Ultimately I decided to just download the
.tar.gz file.
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938 [08:43:21] <furrymcgee> if you want to build a package in
debian see apt source --build hello for example
939 [08:43:45] <furrymcgee> this git message is annoying
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943 [08:46:09] <amvodf> I was shocked when I did apt-get install
stterm, I didn't recieve configuration files for it.
944 [08:46:10] <themill> It's giving you extra information
about how to get newer sources. Most people want that
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949 [08:48:24] <oskie> ok, so I have 'apt-cache show'
output for some package - how can I figure out what to put for
Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins to allow this package?
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951 [08:49:28] <amvodf> themill, is there a command for me to
verify the checksum of the .dsc file and .tar.xz ? I think I am
using md5sum command wrong.
952 [08:49:34] <furrymcgee> themill: there is
/usr/bin/debcheckout if you want that
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955 [08:49:56] <themill> furrymcgee: apt can't know what you
want, hence it informs you
956 [08:50:17] <furrymcgee> apt is not source code management
957 [08:50:38] <themill> we should delete the source command from
it entirely then
958 [08:50:53] <amvodf> So apt-src is redudant?
959 [08:51:09] <furrymcgee> no
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970 [08:52:58] <furrymcgee> maybe git devs want it to be
redundant
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1045 [09:46:42] <SpeedyG> would it be possible to install samba
from etch or sarge on lenny (not yet considering the dependency
hell, just wanna know if its possible_
1046 [09:46:56] <SpeedyG> ls
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1049 [09:50:17] <PaddyF> SpeedyG: if you go that path via
debootstrap, yes
1050 [09:50:26] <SpeedyG> ok, thanks :)
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1060 [09:57:55] <ghoulsblade> hi! looks like i discovered a intel
skylake microcode cpu bug that breaks rtcwake, it is solved by bios
update AsRock H110M-DGS P7.30 -> P7.70 which updates microcode,
should i report this somewhere to save other people analysis work ?
details here so far :
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1061 [09:58:32] <tarzeau> ghoulsblade: absolutelyl,
bugs.debian.org/intel-microcode probably
1062 [09:59:07] <tarzeau> ghoulsblade: wait, what version of
debian? stable? maybe it's fixed in testing or sid already?
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1064 [10:00:25] <ghoulsblade> debian stretch, i weird behavior for
rtcwake, updated my bios, and now rtcwake works correctly, the bios
changelog mentions microcode updates but doesnt give details
1065 [10:01:15] <ghoulsblade> not sure if its something that is
fixable by debian versions, seems like a bug in the cpu microcode
itself
1066 [10:01:31] <ghoulsblade> or does debian update the microcode
?
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1068 [10:02:12] <apollo13> yes
1069 [10:02:33] <apollo13> see the intel-microcode package
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1073 [10:03:56] <ghoulsblade> oke, i will email the infos to the
Maintainers for intel-microcode listed in that bugtracker and let
them decide
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1132 [10:41:43] <Resilience> I have some NTFS partittions wit
physical errors, os there some how to mark those faulty sectors to
not be used by the FS?
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1142 [10:45:03] <SwedeMike> Resilience: filesystems typically
expect the physical device to not have errors and do re-mapping of
bad sectors when they're written again. Any device not doing
this is faulty and should be replaced. So no, generally filesystems
don't do what you're asking.
1143 [10:45:38] <Resilience> sweedI thought there was some how to
mark the sectors as faulty
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1148 [10:46:39] <SwedeMike> Resilience: if you write to them they
will probably not be faulty again. If writes to them fail, then you
need to replace the drive.
1149 [10:46:56] <rant> well... technically SMART takes care of
that already
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1152 [10:47:09] <Resilience> SwedeMike, how Can I write to them?
1153 [10:47:19] <rant> but yes, if the drive has bad sectors you
need to backup and get a new drive ASAP
1154 [10:47:23] <Resilience> rant, smart is given me errors
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1156 [10:47:31] <Resilience> rant, ok
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1158 [10:48:07] <rant> na, that's smartd which might as well
be called dumb.. heh
1159 [10:48:26] <rant> SMART is on the drive itself.. and
automatically fixes these problems
1160 [10:48:28] <SwedeMike> Resilience: I'd recommend to use
gddrescue to image the drive to a file on a larger drive, just to
make sure you have a backup. Then you can image it back to the drive
again, which will overwrite everything including the bad blocks.
Then you can fsck the volume to work out if any files etc are
damaged.
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1165 [10:51:14] <rant> Resilience: there is a utility badblocks
for ext filesystems, but equiv utils for ntfs are not available, you
have to use windows.. but you really should backup and get a new
drive
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1171 [10:54:17] <Resilience> SwedeMike, rant thanks
1172 [10:54:42] <Resilience> rant, may I eun some of that utils
from wine? I suppose yes, right?
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1176 [10:55:59] <rant> Resilience: you could lookup some bomb
specs, make a homemade pipe bomb and shove it up your rear end but
it doesnt make it a good idea :P
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1178 [10:57:32] <rant> which that idea is to you, what your idea
is to the data on that drive :P
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1184 [11:06:04] <Resilience> rant :P
1185 [11:06:23] <Resilience> SwedeMike, what id gddrescue fails?
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1193 [11:09:01] <SwedeMike> Resilience: well, that means your
drive is completely broken and your data is lost.
1194 [11:09:25] <SwedeMike> (depending on how it fails of course)
1195 [11:09:27] <rant> eh.. completely is a bit rash..
1196 [11:09:40] <rant> does it sound funny?
1197 [11:10:04] <Resilience> SwedeMike, drive only has a few bad
sectors
1198 [11:10:35] <SwedeMike> Resilience: then most likely gddrescue
will not fail, it'll just not be able to read those sectors.
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1200 [11:10:37] <rant> not like as in like Chris Rock funny, but..
y'know not like a normal soft purr of a hdd
1201 [11:10:50] <Resilience> SwedeMike, ok
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1212 [11:15:42] <jim> Resilience, you may wish to get a new
drive... and, restore from backups
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1227 [11:21:55] <petn-randall> booyah: Apparently, though I
don't know how that even works before finishing the download.
1228 [11:22:17] <booyah> petn-randall: what a massive cockup
:&
1229 [11:22:49] <booyah> too bad sign is on checksum file, not on
given 1 package
1230 [11:22:52] <booyah> would make it easier, but still
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1232 [11:23:34] <booyah> dpkg could be made to re-verify signature
on it's own. then use as dpkg-secure foo.deb
--signed-checksum-file SUMS.sha256
1233 [11:23:34] <dpkg> booyah: You are person #2 to send an
unparseable request
1234 [11:23:57] <booyah> and make all tools like apt call
dpkg-secure
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1238 [11:24:34] <booyah> then bug in just one of apt/dpkg is not
enough to execute such attack (without access to trusted GPG keys)
1239 [11:24:48] <themill> that's much harder for key rotation
though
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1241 [11:25:12] <booyah> or move to normal foo_0.1.2+3.deb.asc
format
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1243 [11:25:27] <themill> same problem with key rotation
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1245 [11:25:46] <booyah> themill: how exactly? dpkg-secure could
be given two sets of acceptable GPG keys
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1247 [11:25:54] <themill> worse, actually
1248 [11:26:08] <Resilience> rant, I will be getting a new drive,
but, why it would a bad idea to ran with wine a badblock program for
windows?
1249 [11:26:13] <themill> you've got to go around re-signing
all the previously built .debs every couple of years
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1251 [11:26:38] <themill> and different releases get signed with
different keys but can have the same .debs
1252 [11:27:00] <booyah> themill: well then the old waym but make
dpkg recheck it
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1255 [11:27:48] <rant> Resilience: because these programs are PART
of windows and if you have them you already have windows.. and wine
is NOT windows it is a reverse engineered approximation of their ABI
that cannot be relied upon to not blow your arse off like a pipe
bomb in your rear..
1256 [11:29:15] <Resilience> rant My windows was statrted very
long ago, before-spectre times, and it is not patched agains it
so... that's why I was thinking about wine
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1258 [11:29:58] <rant> ugh.. you got an OS holier than swiss
cheese and you're worried about spectre?
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1262 [11:31:43] <rant> don't use NTFS from now on is my
advice.. get your data off the drive.. get a new drive.. and if you
wanna TRY a stop-gap until you can get a new drive use windows..
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1265 [11:33:56] <trysten> My system load is at 4.0 but nothing is
using CPU in top. Where to look next?
1266 [11:34:16] <Greyztar> Is there a guide somewhere on how to
connect to captive portal,im using firefox on debian
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1268 [11:35:11] <trysten> Greyztar: my firefox automatically
detects it. Maybe try going somewhere
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1272 [11:35:49] <SwedeMike> trysten: you can check if you have
processes in D state
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1274 [11:36:47] <Greyztar> trysten: ok
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1284 [11:41:15] <trysten> SwedeMike: yes, I do have some zombies.
Should that be putting my load factor so high? It's up to 6 now
>.>
1285 [11:41:29] <SwedeMike> trysten: any process in D state adds 1
to your load.
1286 [11:41:40] <SwedeMike> trysten: load is "processes
waiting to run".
1287 [11:42:05] <SwedeMike> so if you have 6 hung processes
waiting for the kernel to complete the API call, then you will have
6 in load with almost no CPU utilisation at all
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1291 [11:43:44] <trysten> SwedeMike: Ah, I see. Thank you for
explaining. I was freaking out over nothing, which is what zombies
tend to cause. Any tips to relieve this problem from un-reliable
sshfs mounts?
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1295 [11:45:06] <SwedeMike> trysten:
replaced-url
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1299 [11:47:53] <trysten> SwedeMike: Of course, configure ssh. Ha
thanks again
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1326 [12:06:18] <rant> rebooting is for sissies and windows users
:P
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1328 [12:07:22] <petn-randall> Err, you do you, rant :)
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1417 [12:54:22] <wr> installed network-manager but don't have
systray icon, what package brings it?
1418 [12:55:12] <rant> idk, be less specific... or maybe tell us
what Desktop Environment you are using
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1424 [12:59:26] <rant> or not... there are only 7 of them, not to
mention how many OTHER panels have notification areas.. its probably
network-manager-gnome, or not depending on what you're using
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1437 [13:08:40] <wr> rant, gnome
1438 [13:08:53] <rant> ,i network-manager-gnome
1439 [13:08:54] <judd> Package network-manager-gnome (gnome,
optional) in stretch/amd64: network management framework (GNOME
frontend). Version: 1.4.4-1+deb9u1; Size: 988.0k; Installed: 6070k;
Homepage:
replaced-url
1440 [13:10:07] <rant> wr: according to the screenshot above,
I'd say that's what you're looking for
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1442 [13:10:47] <wr> rant, as i said i have it installed, i also
have wicd is it because of it can't see systray icon?
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1445 [13:11:39] <rant> I strongly recommend you remove all wicd
packages.. I like the idea of it, but its horrible, broken, and not
worth fooling with.
1446 [13:11:40] <deadrom> hi
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1448 [13:12:20] <rant> wr: as for the systray icon, if its
installed, it would also have to be running and you'd have to
have a place for it to show up..
1449 [13:12:33] <rant> deadrom: you need help with something?
1450 [13:12:56] <deadrom> need to shrink ntfs partition.
ntfsresize says "error in fs, chkdsk /f in windows and reboot
twice". can't get the disk *easily* into a windows machine
right now. any other way to fix it?
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1453 [13:13:48] <rant> well, if there really is an error.. then
you risk data corruption.. safest way to resize a windows fs is to
chkdsk and defrag in windows first..
1454 [13:13:56] <wr> rant, when i installed debian xfce i
didn't have network-manager and none worked so i installed wicd
and it works, but to return to network-manager-gnome get no
interface on change so loose wifi
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1456 [13:16:04] <rant> deadrom: however you could attempt to fix
it with the ntfsfix command
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1458 [13:16:29] <rant> ,find bin/ntfsfix
1459 [13:16:33] <judd> Search for bin/ntfsfix in stretch/amd64:
ntfs-3g: bin/ntfsfix
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1461 [13:17:39] <rant> wr: yes well you probably need to service
stop wicd and service start network-manager
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1465 [13:18:20] <rant> if that makes it pop up, then you will need
to make the change persistent..
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1467 [13:18:45] <wr> rant, yes i know, is it because of that
systray icon not appearing?
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1527 [14:05:47] <wr> is xfce4-xfapplet-plugin available on any
debian package?
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1529 [14:06:01] <wr>
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1542 [14:12:13] <wr> how can i install xfce4-xfapplet-plugin on
debian xfce?
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1552 [14:15:34] <themill> isn't that long since dead?
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1555 [14:16:50] <petn-randall> IIRC you should need this since
wheezy.
1556 [14:16:59] <petn-randall> IIRC you shouldn't need this
since wheezy.
1557 [14:17:00] <wr> themill, after network-manager-gnome install
on my debian xfce cant see it's systray icon, maybe need that
plugin on panel
1558 [14:17:19] <petn-randall> Ah, an xy problem :)
1559 [14:17:29] <petn-randall> wr: No, that works fine without.
1560 [14:18:35] <wr> petn-randall, i also have wicd, so...
1561 [14:18:55] <themill> having both is rarely a good thing
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1563 [14:19:54] <wr> themill, i know, but after stopping one could
not get network-manager-gnome systray, wanna remove wicd but would
get out of wifi
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1607 [14:53:04] <pragomer> hi, I would like to start the program
"atom" (the editor) with a special gtk theme. This line
works from terminal:
1608 [14:53:14] <pragomer> Exec=GTK_THEME=Adapta-Nokto atom
1609 [14:53:43] <pragomer> but it doesnt work as a desktop starter
or from within filezilla. Is there another solution to select a
specific gtk theme to just one program?
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1646 [15:17:36] <wwilliam> Hello any document on how to join a
windows domain with stretch? thank you.
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1660 [15:22:23] <jhutchins_wk> !samba
1661 [15:22:23] <dpkg> Samba is a Unix implementation of Windows
file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol).
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1663 [15:23:19] <jhutchins_wk> wwilliam: Documentation mostly
focuses on servers rather than clients, but the client aspect is
there.
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1674 [15:30:35] <wwilliam> jhutchins_wk: Thank you will read
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1676 [15:31:59] <jhutchins_wk> wwilliam: My own knowledge of it is
badly out-of-date.
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1679 [15:34:17] <wwilliam> OK...
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1755 [16:13:18] <uio> Hi, just created a LUKS usb. What is up with
the root-only lost+found folder??
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1761 [16:14:25] <petn-randall> uio: What about it?
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1763 [16:14:41] <colo-work> uio, that's where files recovered
by fsck will end up in
1764 [16:14:41] <uio> It's empty, I didn't put it
there..
1765 [16:14:48] <uio> So it's normal?
1766 [16:14:58] <uio> Should I just totally leave it only?
1767 [16:14:59] <colo-work> yes
1768 [16:15:02] <uio> *alone?
1769 [16:15:06] <colo-work> yes
1770 [16:15:11] <uio> Okay.
1771 [16:15:20] <uio> Just checking :)
1772 [16:15:38] <petn-randall> uio:
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1777 [16:15:57] <uio> I just found out that gnome-disks can make
LUKS usbs. Very easy to use!
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1783 [16:16:07] <cusco> mkfs creates it, I always delete it
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1793 [16:18:36] <uio> petn-randall,
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1794 [16:19:01] <deadrom> how do I remove grub from an mbr without
losing the parition table?
1795 [16:19:42] <jelly> deadrom: you install some other boot code
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1803 [16:22:30] <deadrom> jelly: disk is not supposed to boot
anymore, I'd rather like no boot code at all
1804 [16:24:01] <deadrom> backup partition table, zero first MB up
to partition, create ols table?
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1828 [16:35:21] <Bjornn> I have a USB that I was running debian
on, it was booting but at some point it stopped booting. Now I would
like to be able to browse it for some files but it doesn't give
me access to certain directories. what would be the method to access
all of these directories?
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1830 [16:35:49] <petn-randall> uio: We tend to teach people how to
fish instead of giving them a fish. So we expect that you do your
own cursory search for an answer before asking in the channel, or a
mailing list, or any other support space.
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1832 [16:36:00] <EoflaOE> deadrom: Is your hard drive MBR? or GPT?
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1834 [16:36:51] <petn-randall> uio: And if the answer to your
question is the first hit on Google, I'm going out on a limb
and guessing that you didn't do any research before asking.
1835 [16:36:54] <Bjornn> I do not know
1836 [16:37:12] <Bjornn> I'll try to figure that out.
1837 [16:37:36] <greycat> Bjornn: fdisk -l
1838 [16:37:46] <greycat> "Disklabel type" line
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1841 [16:40:33] <Bjornn> ahh. I see it.
1842 [16:40:36] <Bjornn> it says dos
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1846 [16:42:35] <greycat> "dos" and "MBR" mean
the same thing in this case
1847 [16:43:12] <Bjornn> the os recognizes it as a linux drive
with rights, which I was a little surprised by
1848 [16:43:25] <jhutchins_wk> Bjornn: Are you browsing it as
root, or through a GUI?
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1852 [16:43:56] <Bjornn> GUI
1853 [16:44:10] <Bjornn> that's the issue I guess.
1854 [16:44:10] <jhutchins_wk> There ya go.
1855 [16:44:26] <uio> petn-randall, You went out on a non-existant
limb.
1856 [16:44:30] <jhutchins_wk> Bjornn: The issue is probably that
some system directories are root-only.
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1859 [16:45:15] <Bjornn> dumb question I guess but how do I launch
my file manager as root?
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1864 [16:46:29] <uio> petn-randall, Secondly, I think that if one
keeps such a narrow notion of what 'giving a fish' vs
'teaching to fish' that such realms as Debian will remain
closed, and reserved for those who undestand tech well. How can one
reconcile such closedness and the Freedom that Linux proclaims?
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1868 [16:47:23] <jhutchins_wk> Bjornn: That's not a good
idea. Running GUI apps as root can make your system unusable.
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1870 [16:47:50] <jhutchins_wk> Bjornn: Use the console. If you
really need a file browser, use something like mc.
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1873 [16:48:31] <Bjornn> ok. thanks to all.
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1877 [16:52:21] <petn-randall> uio: You have a very peculiar
definition of "closedness". This isn't special to
Debian that people giving support for free expect you to do a minute
of your own research before taking some of their time.
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1890 [16:56:45] <jelly> uio, petn-randall: sometimes a volunteer
has time to explain well known info as it comes up in the
conversation. Sometimes you'll get a response not unlike
"RTFM"
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1900 [17:00:07] <petn-randall> Point taken. I should have framed
that in a less affronting way.
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1904 [17:01:19] <jhutchins_wk> uio: Linux isn't a
least-common-denominator system. You have to be willing to learn in
order to use it.
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1907 [17:01:49] <Bjornn> true that
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1918 [17:05:24] <EdePopede> i have the impression it was easier in
the past. all i had was a cd with some doc packages and a book which
draw a line from "what and why is linux" to
"what's all this stuff and how to use it". and just
some 100mb of packages available. now i'm glad i didn't
have the whole internet to choose from.
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1928 [17:11:56] <acidtripper> MM? have never been easy
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1931 [17:12:20] <acidtripper> but it has evolved
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1934 [17:13:31] <shtrb> Does anyone know or have information about
the apt vulnerability, and what are the metigations ?
1935 [17:13:41] <gedia> Hello all. Is there a way to manually mark
a package as "Provided"? Or is my only option to use
apt-mark to mark it as manually/automatically installed?
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1941 [17:14:46] <shtrb> Sorry - this
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1946 [17:15:51] <avu> shtrb: the original post about the issue -
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1947 [17:16:25] <shtrb> Sorry, and thank you
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1987 [17:28:09] <shibboleth>
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1993 [17:29:09] <shibboleth> ydays news, sure. but this is what
happens when you begin over-engineering for shits and giggles
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2046 [17:56:18] <JordiGH> I haven't done `apt upgrade` in a
couple of weeks, but I just did it today and it seems really big.
2047 [17:56:22] <JordiGH> Something happened?
2048 [17:57:05] <JordiGH> /etc/kernel/postinst.d/dkms:
2049 [17:57:05] <JordiGH> Error! Bad return status for module
build on kernel: 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (x86_64)
2050 [17:57:05] <JordiGH> Consult
/var/lib/dkms/open-vm-tools/10.1.5/build/make.log for more
information.
2051 [17:57:07] <JordiGH> Hmmmmm....
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2058 [18:00:40] <petn-randall> JordiGH: How "big"?
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2061 [18:00:49] <JordiGH> 400 megs.
2062 [18:01:29] <petn-randall> So 1 or 2 large packages?
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2065 [18:01:52] <JordiGH> No, it was a big list, hold on, let me
check the logs.
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2068 [18:03:23] <JordiGH> There's some stuff that pisses off
vrms here:
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2069 [18:04:18] <JordiGH> I was wondering if some security flaw
required a large rebuild or something.
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2073 [18:04:46] <JordiGH> Also, nice, apt logs history. This is
still a new development for me.
2074 [18:04:52] <petn-randall> JordiGH: I see a new kernel from
backports, so that would explain it.
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2078 [18:05:35] <JordiGH> Erm, how do I see which linuxen I have
installed?
2079 [18:05:41] <shtrb> where does apt log history ?
2080 [18:05:56] <JordiGH> shtrb: The expected location!
2081 [18:05:59] <JordiGH> /var/log/apt
2082 [18:06:35] * shtrb facepalms
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2084 [18:07:16] <JordiGH> For your sake or mine?
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2087 [18:07:51] <shtrb> mine, it was obbious and I didn't
think checking there before asking
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2089 [18:12:03] <JordiGH> I wonder if my uptime is worth trying to
get ksplice to work. Is ksplice still a thing?
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2091 [18:14:01] <gedia> Am I right in thinking that when pointing
"apt install" to a local .deb file, the
"Provides" list of the deb is not processed?
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2099 [18:23:07] <gedia> OK, I don't get it. dpkg --status
ifupdown2 prints: "Provides: ifupdown". But running
'apt install ucapr' will remove ifupdown2 and install
ifupdown. Is this expected behaviour?
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2104 [18:25:24] <jmcnaught> gedia: is ucapr a package from Debian
or from a third party repo? I can't find a ucapr package, you
might need to the people who provide the package why it acts like
that
2105 [18:26:06] <gedia> jmcnaught: I meant ucarp, sorry, typo
2106 [18:26:28] <gedia> But ifupdown2 is built from sources
2107 [18:26:40] <gedia> Because I needed some bugfixes in the
latest release
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2113 [18:30:48] <jmcnaught> gedia: i have ifupdown2 installed
here, and if I run "apt-get -s install ucarp" it does not
try to remove ifupdown2 or install ifupdown
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2117 [18:32:31] <Spec> Heya. I'm looking into setting up
libpam-google-authenticator. I see some documentation on how to set
it up so only users with the .google-authenticator file in their ~
will require MFA, and in this way service accounts can avoid MFA
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2120 [18:33:11] <Spec> However, I would like to set up pam such
that only service accounts belonging to a specific group can avoid
MFA, and all other accounts require it (and if .google-authenticator
is missing, their account will simply be inaccessible)
2121 [18:33:23] <Spec> Know of any good documentation on
configuring pam in this way? :)
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2125 [18:34:35] <jmcnaught> gedia: sorry i'm wrong, i'm
using ifupdown still. However you could check to see if you have any
installed packages that provide ifupdown with "aptitude search
~i~pifupdown"
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2140 [18:45:01] <acidtripper> is the apt vulnerability fixed on
debian stable??
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2145 [18:46:12] <LtL> acidtripper: if i read correctly, yes. apt
version 1.4.9 is fixed.
2146 [18:46:30] <jhutchins_wk> ,v apt
2147 [18:46:31] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security:
0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4;
jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.8;
stretch-proposed-updates: 1.4.9; stretch-security: 1.4.9; buster:
1.8.0~alpha3.1; sid: 1.8.0~alpha3.1
2148 [18:46:35] <jmcnaught>
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2149 [18:46:42] <gedia> jmcnaught: if you mean ~i~Pifupdown, then
only ifupdown2 is listed (because of the Provides directive)
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2151 [18:47:21] <acidtripper> so.. if you have security repos
disabled.. you'r vulnerable
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2153 [18:47:34] <acidtripper> such stupid thing.. to don't
merge it on common resos..
2154 [18:47:36] <acidtripper> repos
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2156 [18:48:16] <LtL> acidtripper: to not keep a proper
sources.list is 'more' stupid.
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2158 [18:48:49] <greycat> "if you have security repos
disabled.. you'r vulnerable" is a true statement, so
don't disable them. Simple.
2159 [18:49:09] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, there's some user
responsibility when it comes to security.
2160 [18:50:16] <greycat> Do note that the security sources *are*
included by default at installation time, unless you install without
a network. So, you have to kinda go out of your way to disable them.
2161 [18:50:45] <greycat> I still hate how the "I had no
network so I get no sources.list not even commented out" thing
works, though.
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2165 [18:51:48] <acidtripper> it's common to install without
network since in debian-nonfirmware most wlan firmwares aren't
included...
2166 [18:52:03] <greycat> It SHOULD NOT be common.
2167 [18:52:19] <nsrafk> Hi. Im a total newbie. I have a box with
root and absolutely no clue about where to start or end. I basically
just need the box for openssh, znc, oidentd. Do any of you have a
quick-start guide or smth that i need to do?
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2169 [18:53:20] <greycat> That said, I do wish the no-network
sources.list would be constructed with the proper contents commented
out, and then two or three lines of plain English comments above
that saying "You installed without a network, so these sources
are disabled. If you've got a network now, you should uncomment
these."
2170 [18:54:09] <gedia> jmcnaught: sorry, power issues, might have
missed a couple msgs
2171 [18:54:25] <acidtripper> greycat, that's why sometimes i
argue.. there are things i don't like
2172 [18:54:35] <acidtripper> for example not including any fuckn
app in install cd
2173 [18:54:49] <acidtripper> you can run cfdisk, o common used
apps when chrooting on a machine
2174 [18:54:54] <jhutchins_wk> !handbook
2175 [18:54:54] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is
at
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2176 [18:54:56] <acidtripper> cant*
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2178 [18:55:22] <nsrafk> thanks jhutchins_wk
2179 [18:55:27] <jmcnaught> gedia: I don't think you missed
any messages. Personally I'm taking a food break after making
too many dumb mistakes :) I hope you figure it out
2180 [18:55:42] <gedia> thanks :-)
2181 [18:56:03] <nsrafk> Quite a lot of info to dig for this basic
stuff i need to do :O
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2186 [18:57:11] <jhutchins_wk> nsrafk: People often say that linux
has a steep learning curve. There's a lot to learn at the very
beginning. It can be overwhelming, but once you hit your stride
it's very rewarding.
2187 [18:57:48] <jhutchins_wk> !user's guide
2188 [18:57:49] <dpkg> If you are looking for manuals, guides and
procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the
administrator's view and others - see
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2193 [18:59:53] <nsrafk> I can imagine. I just want a somewhat
secure box with a single useraccount where i'm able to run znc
and a couple of other basic things. It's a jungle. I have the
basic knowledge being a regular user of a box
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2195 [19:00:45] <nsrafk> i can install and config different apps
but when i encounter errors becuase of some basic systemwide apps
not installed im friggin lost :D
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2197 [19:00:59] <shtrb> nsrafk, just disconnect from the network
and you will be safe (poewr included)
2198 [19:01:21] <nsrafk> touche
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2212 [19:09:47] <jhutchins_wk> nsrafk: If you use the apt tools
(apt, apt-get, aptitude) they should resolve dependencies for you.
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2214 [19:10:29] <jhutchins_wk> nsrafk: In most linux distros,
it's not a matter of hunting down packages, downloading, and
installing them. You use the package management system to pull down
programs and requirements and install them automatically.
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2220 [19:13:02] <jhutchins_wk> ,v wine
2221 [19:13:03] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4;
jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.7-2~bpo8+1; stretch:
1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 3.0.3-2~bpo9+1; sid: 3.0.4-1; buster:
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2255 [19:33:37] <uio> Is there a way to chech the sha256sum of a
package from github? Namely
replaced-url
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2257 [19:33:54] <aaii> Hi, If i install debian with netinstall ,
this install for me WM or DE auto or before install ask me about
install them or not?
2258 [19:34:26] <aaii> (Windows Manager & Desktop Environment)
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2262 [19:35:55] <karlpinc> aaii: The installer will ask you
whether you want to install a desktop (which comes with a window
manager), and provide a list of choices. You can choose many or
none.
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2265 [19:37:12] <karlpinc> uio: openssl sha256 < somefile
2266 [19:37:21] <aaii> karlpinc, in expert mode? or in normal
mode?
2267 [19:37:28] <greycat> there's also a sha256sum command
2268 [19:37:38] <karlpinc> aaii: It is often best to use the
unofficial installer with non-free firmware included.
2269 [19:37:53] <karlpinc> aaii: In normal mode.
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2271 [19:38:13] <n4dir> thing is: during installation you will
install the "task" of the choosen desktop-environment,
that is: much more than if you just do, for example, "apt-get
install xfce" after installation.
2272 [19:38:24] <karlpinc> !firmware images
2273 [19:38:24] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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2276 [19:39:09] <karlpinc> aaii: Although you can install
"tasks" (or uninstall them) after installation if you want
to do that.
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2278 [19:39:13] <aaii> karlpinc, i want install debian for a
server :| should i install nonfree? software
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2281 [19:39:48] <uio> karlpinc: Yes, thanks I had done that... but
I find no sum against which to compare it, like from github for
example....
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2283 [19:40:16] <karlpinc> aaii: That's a personal choice.
But some hardware requires non-free firmware to work. So unless you
want to replace hardware you sometimes have no choice but to install
non-free firmware.
2284 [19:40:40] <aaii> karlpinc, yeah right , thanks
2285 [19:40:44] <karlpinc> aaii: Non-free software is a larger
catagory, and the installer will ask you if you want to have it
available for installation.
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2291 [19:42:12] <karlpinc> uio: They may have a file with sums you
can download, or ...? I don't know github that well. It's
a github question.
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2326 [19:59:41] <uio> Is it a bad idea to use pip in su?
2327 [19:59:51] <karlpinc> uio: Very bad.
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2329 [20:00:25] <uio> karlpinc: Why?
2330 [20:00:40] <uio> karlpinc: I just installed a package with
pip in su...
2331 [20:00:49] <uio> karlpinc: termdown namely...
2332 [20:00:53] <karlpinc> uio: #python will tell you about it.
But basically: Use either apt (apt-get/aptitude/etc) and install
debian packages or create python virtual environments and use pip in
the virtual environment.
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2334 [20:01:15] <uio> karlpinc: Will anything get broken though?
2335 [20:01:45] <karlpinc> uio: Using pip as root mixes
python's packaging system with Debian's packaging system.
2336 [20:02:07] <korki> which is always fun :)
2337 [20:02:07] <karlpinc> uio: Yes. Because debian is expecting
one set of software verions/etc. and pip another.
2338 [20:02:18] <uio> karlpinc: Could I just use in under as user?
2339 [20:02:26] <karlpinc> uio: So mixing them breaks things.
2340 [20:02:40] <karlpinc> uio: The right way is to make a python
virtual environment and use pip in it.
2341 [20:02:54] <karlpinc> uio: As a user.
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2361 [20:10:24] <Jemt> Hi. Regarding the security issue with apt
and redirects (replaced-url
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2364 [20:10:55] <Jemt> deb
replaced-url
2365 [20:11:01] <Jemt> Does that look right ?
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2373 [20:15:07] <Jemt> I changed "stable/updates" to
"jessie/updates" and added "contrib" and
"non-free" at the end
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2375 [20:15:54] <LtL> Jemt: run apt-get update it will more than
likely tell you if it's correct
2376 [20:16:12] <petn-randall> Jemt: stable is not jessie. jessie
is oldstable for 1.5 years now.
2377 [20:16:16] <petn-randall> closer to 2.
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2379 [20:16:26] <petn-randall> Jemt: Are you running stretch or
jessie?
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2381 [20:17:20] <Jemt> Version 8.11
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2385 [20:17:34] <Jemt> Jessie
2386 [20:17:40] <Jemt> petn-randall
2387 [20:18:16] <petn-randall> then "stable/updates"
pointed to stretch/updates for the last 2 years.
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2389 [20:18:42] <Jemt> Yes, I know. My question is, will "deb
replaced-url
2390 [20:18:53] <LtL> Jemt: it should work, try it
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2392 [20:19:15] <greycat> He wrote old stable in his original
question. I *think* that when he wrote "changed stable
to..." he means changed from what was written in the
instructions for stretch, not what was in his file.
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2394 [20:19:44] <Jemt> Thanks LtL. This is a production server -
I'm very afraid to break it. I'd better clone it first and
spawn a new server from the snapshot to test with.
2395 [20:19:47] <petn-randall> ooh, that makes more sense.
2396 [20:19:56] <jhutchins_wk> It's also possible he had
"stable" in his sources.list but hadn't done an
update.
2397 [20:19:58] <Jemt> greycat: Exactly :)
2398 [20:20:08] <petn-randall> Jemt: The worst that can happen is
that you get an error and change the settings back again.
2399 [20:20:20] <Jemt> Oh, okay - thanks :-)
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2401 [20:20:44] <jhutchins_wk> Jemt: Always good to have a
snapshot or some other backup.
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2403 [20:21:12] <Jemt> Yes :)
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2407 [20:22:57] <jhutchins_wk> Jemt: Probably a good idea to plan
on spinning up a new VM for stretch and eperiment with migrating
apps/applications to that.
2408 [20:23:54] <Jemt> Well, I'm not planning on upgrading to
Debian 9 today. I just want the latest security updates
2409 [20:24:16] <Jemt> So I don't expect anything to break if
the update is successful
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2411 [20:25:02] <LtL> Jemt: i doubt apt-get update will harm
anything, if it errors then apt-get clean and find another way.
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2414 [20:26:00] <jhutchins_wk> Jemt: I'm just suggesting you
plan to do that work.
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2416 [20:26:30] <jhutchins_wk> I've had to deal with a couple
of environments where the OS went out of support but servers were
still in production.
2417 [20:26:31] <Jemt> LtL: Great, glad to hear that :)
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2422 [20:27:01] <Jemt> jhutchins_wk: Good idea :)
2423 [20:27:03] <jhutchins_wk> Did jessie have apache 2.4?
2424 [20:27:28] <LtL> jhutchins_wk: pretty sure it did yeah
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2426 [20:27:53] <greycat> ,v apache2
2427 [20:27:54] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u13; jessie:
2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12;
stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u6; buster:
2.4.37-1; sid: 2.4.37-1
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2429 [20:28:00] <greycat> Yup.
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2433 [20:28:27] <jhutchins_wk> Thank you greycat.
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2435 [20:29:00] <Jemt> Have anyone experienced problems with the
switch from MySQL to MariaDB when upgrading to Debian 9.x ?
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2438 [20:29:51] <greycat> the two things I noticed are on
replaced-url
2439 [20:29:54] <Jemt> - Or any other common problems with LAMP
configurations
2440 [20:30:00] <Jemt> Thanks
2441 [20:30:08] <greycat> we occasionally see people asking
questions about it in here, implying that they had some issues, but
I don't know their details
2442 [20:30:09] <jhutchins_wk> The only problems I've seen is
with databases from 5.1 trying to migrate to 5.7
2443 [20:30:50] <jhutchins_wk> Actually they were pre-5.1 dbs.
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2446 [20:31:07] <Jemt> Okay, sounds good
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2467 [20:39:39] <amvodf> Anyone know the location of changing the
terminal emmulator?
2468 [20:39:45] <amvodf> the default one
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2472 [20:40:18] <amvodf> I've tried looking online for some
guide on this, and the .bashrc, and reading the README file for the
terminal I want to switch to.
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2475 [20:41:17] <greycat> The only thing that remotely qualifies
as "the remote one" would be update-alternatives --config
x-terminal-emulator
2476 [20:41:25] <greycat> But your particular WM or DE may not use
that mechanism.
2477 [20:41:37] <greycat> err, "the default one"
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2499 [20:49:40] <yokowka> heavenO, everysoul!! how to clear system
from garbage and viruses??
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2504 [20:50:01] <greycat> reinstall
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2506 [20:50:18] * petn-randall waves at yokowka.
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2509 [20:51:32] <yokowka> petn-randall, waves??
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2511 [20:51:49] <petn-randall> yes, I waved with my hand to greet
you.
2512 [20:51:50] <jhutchins_wk> amcorreia: If you mean the one in a
desktop environment, just call a different one.
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2515 [20:54:38] <jhutchins_wk> amvodf: You can just call a
different emulator, or your environment might have a "Preferred
Applications" setting like XFCE does.
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2517 [20:55:39] <amvodf> jhutchins_wk, Oh thanks.
2518 [20:55:52] <amvodf> I tried greycat 's suggestion and it
works
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2528 [20:59:18] <deadrom> can one read the harddisk of say the HP
gen7 microserver onboard RAID controller from linux? the
server's board died, raid1. I think pseudo-raid, not sure.
2529 [20:59:21] <jhutchins_wk> As usual in Linux, more than one
way to do it.
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2532 [20:59:57] <jhutchins_wk> deadrom: That would be a question
for HP.
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2535 [21:00:32] <joepublic> There is a saying "don't
throw out the baby with the bathwater." Meaning don't
throw away what's valuable along with what's worthless.
However, in the case of your operating system and software, You have
*another* baby on the install media/repositories so it's no
problem. Plenty of babies.
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2563 [21:12:41] <rant> I am having some serious technical
differences with this Stretch/MATE box here.. currently I've
managed to open firefox and open a print dialog but nothing can be
clicked on but the stuff inside the print dialog.. the cancel/print
buttons, close button, MATE panel, everything else in the whole GUI
is not working except I can change tabs in this print dialog and
interact with widgets in it
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2565 [21:13:31] <rant> prior to this, I had to start firefox from
the apps menu because the launcher on the panel and all other panel
applets weren't working just the apps menu.. desktop wasnt
responsive, nothing. its like only certain parts of the UI are
working at a time
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2567 [21:13:57] <rant> yet from SSH nothing seems to be wrong..
there is no resource starvation nothing that I can see
2568 [21:14:16] <Hackwar> hi folks, I'm working with an rpi3+
here and have raspbian stretch lite installed. I'm then running
ansible to setup an OpenSlides server. The rpi is supposed to be
connected to a projector and display a website, thus I install an
x-server and midori, but when I reboot then, it hangs on either
"Starting Terminate Plymouth Boot Screen". or
"Starting Hold until boot process finishes up" Anybody got
an idea?
2569 [21:14:19] <rant> I even just switched the hdd to completely
different hardware
2570 [21:14:35] <rant> to rule out that it was anything wrong with
the computer itself
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2574 [21:15:59] <rant> even as I press the power button, a
shutdown dialog comes up but I can't click on or move it
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2576 [21:16:18] <rant> its clicking THROUGH it to the print dialog
underneath
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2579 [21:17:16] <rant> Hackwar: go to #raspian we do not support
it here
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2581 [21:18:11] <amvodf> The .dsc of a source package doesn't
have to be necessarily be signed by the maintainer?
2582 [21:18:38] <amvodf> I've been checking
replaced-url
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2585 [21:19:41] <amvodf> It was mainted by paride, by signed by
Adam Borrowski
2586 [21:19:53] <amvodf> but signed by Adam Borrowski
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2591 [21:21:53] <GNU\colossus> woah
2592 [21:22:03] <GNU\colossus> base-files got upgraded here just
this moment
2593 [21:22:10] <GNU\colossus> is 9.7 going to happen this
weekend?
2594 [21:22:15] <GNU\colossus> ot this week, even?
2595 [21:22:17] <GNU\colossus> or*
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2597 [21:23:04] <greycat> looks like it
2598 [21:23:37] <GNU\colossus> then I'll re-schedule a number
of reboots, I guess :)
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2601 [21:25:09] <Hackwar> rant: ok. It is a bit quiet there, going
to see if I can solve this on my own.
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2708 [22:26:16] <amvodf> In .deb files they typically contain 2-3
files like .dsc files, and .tar.gz , and orig.tar.xz f?
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2710 [22:26:39] <greycat> you are mixing up .deb and Debian
sources
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2712 [22:27:04] <greycat> a .deb is a Debian binary package, and
will not contain the .dsc or -orig.tar.gz
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2717 [22:31:40] <acidtripper> hehe, just release 9.7 seems they
took apt bug seriously
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2719 [22:32:02] <acidtripper> and im in agreement
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2723 [22:34:07] <amvodf> I am trying to configure my stterm. I did
apt-get install stterm, and I received the binary, but no
configurations. Because of that I decided to go to debian sources,
in hopes of getting the configuration file config.h , and I saved
all three files from
replaced-url
2724 [22:34:31] <amvodf> I then did the typical make and make
install.
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2726 [22:35:38] <amvodf> All good, I have the config.h file. Then
I set x-terminal-emulator to stterm.
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2731 [22:37:03] <amvodf> But whenever I try to editing my config.h
file in ~/buil/stterm-0.8.1 and save, close terminal, restart
terminal, the configurations I did in the config.h doesn't show
in the terminal.
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2736 [22:39:24] <amvodf> greycat, is putting those debian sources
file in my home directory bad practice?
2737 [22:39:28] <amvodf> files
2738 [22:39:36] <greycat> you can put whatever you want in your
home directory
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2745 [22:41:39] <jhutchins_wk> amvodf: What user does stterm run
as? Does that user have permissions to read the config file?
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2747 [22:42:00] <jhutchins_wk> amvodf: Have you looked at the docs
in /usr/share/doc/stterm*?
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2769 [22:51:53] <mutante> if i edit files in
/etc/apt/preferences.d/ and then run 'apt-cache policy"
and i see the "Pinned packages" section at the bottom of
it.. a) why do i see 2 random packages i pinned but not the others?
b) what actually updates the info.. apt-get update , right?
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2773 [22:52:57] <mutante> i dropped a file, ran apt-get update..
look at policy and expect it to show up.. does not.. instead the 2
existing ones are now shown twice.. ehm
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2803 [23:04:23] <amvodf> jhutchins_wk, my user account has read
and write privileges over the config.h file. I also checked that
file in /docs before and there is a README file which has 34 lines.
I don't know if it will help in trying to make my stterm
configuration work.
2804 [23:04:27] <amvodf>
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2829 [23:15:32] <amvodf> Today I learned: Suckless programs
usually don't have config files >.<
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2837 [23:24:47] <jhutchins_wk> amvodf: Like any documentation, the
files in /usr/share/doc vary a lot. Sometimes you'll see just a
blank template with no information at all. Sometimes, MySQL for
instance, there's essential information about the root and
admin account passwords.
2838 [23:25:22] <Tarrasquero> friends update topic → 9.7
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2852 [23:31:42] <EdePopede> does this affect only apt or also
other apt-* tools? namely apt-get
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2855 [23:32:16] <karlpinc> amvodf:
/usr/share/doc/<packagename/README.Debian.* is always worth
looking at.
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2857 [23:32:50] <EdePopede> ok, apt-get is part of the package
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2862 [23:35:38] <karlpinc> That was pretty nice. All it took to
upgrade from 9.6 to 9.7 was base-files.
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2870 [23:41:04] <kale> is there a tool in debian to help doing
network design, im thinking like dia
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2874 [23:43:19] <jhutchins_wk> EdePopede: Fromm what I've
heard it's only apt that's affected. Should be fixed now
though.
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2876 [23:44:32] <EdePopede> ah thanks. i used apt only once and
then it didn't keep the deb in the cache :(
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2881 [23:48:35] <violentE> I'm able to connect (stay
connected) to my VPN when connected via cli but if I conect with the
network-manager then it connects, then stops shortly after. I
haven't created any new config files, but I can't figure
out how to resolve this
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2898 [23:58:26] <lispmacs> is the 9.7.0 amd64 netinst iso
available somewhere? I'm only seeing the 9.6 one
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