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• 1[00:00:13] <jasonwc> c-c I am saying that I understand why stable shouldn't be mixed with testing or unstable
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• 4[00:00:55] <jasonwc> c-c I wasn't suggesting that you were wrong. I was asking for your opinion. I apologize if my comments came off as suggesting otherwise.
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• 11[00:02:11] <c-c> jasonwc: well you will have to apt a little to find out. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it deadlocks apt/deps
• 12[00:02:13] <jasonwc> n4dir: I'm actually fine running Stretch but there's a Catch-22 wherein ZFS won't work on Jessie without Grub from Unstable and OpenPHT (without docker or something like it) won't run on Stretch. From what I'm reading, compiling it will be a nightmare.
• 13[00:02:15] <c-c> I really go now
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• 15[00:02:41] <jasonwc> c-c Sorry for offending you. It really wasn't my intention. I appreciate the help you provided.
• 16[00:02:58] <psychoticwarrior> grub-install /dev/sda
• 17[00:03:00] <c-c> np np
• 18[00:03:00] <psychoticwarrior> update-grub
• 19[00:03:05] <psychoticwarrior> update-initramfs -u
• 20[00:03:24] <TomTomTosch> jasonwc: what are you trying to do right now? backport grub or fix your dependency conflict issues?
• 21[00:03:33] <n4dir> jasonwc: ah, i see. my fault then
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• 23[00:04:02] <jasonwc> TomTomTosch: Whichever is easier. I have no strong preference between Jessie and Stretch. I would like to use ZFS as root and have a working OpenPHT. That's about all.
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• 27[00:04:32] <jasonwc> TomTomTosch: I have been running Debian Stable for years and haven't had to backport packages. So, I'm asking for advice.
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• 30[00:05:04] <jasonwc> TomTomTosch: The easiest route is probably going with LVM+mdadm for rootfs on Jessie. Then everything "just works"
• 31[00:05:13] <jasonwc> But I did this, in part, to try ZFS on root
• 32[00:06:08] <TomTomTosch> jasonwc: if you already are in an inconsistent state you can either do a full upgrade or try to downgrade the packages from unstables, that you already installed. this could be more time-consuming, but it's your decision, which release you want to use.
• 33[00:06:10] <jasonwc> TomTomTosch: The dependency conflict issue should be fairly easy to test in a VM. I'm just worried it will cause unforeseen issues in the future.
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• 35[00:06:23] <TomTomTosch> s/unstables/unstable/
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• 38[00:07:23] <jasonwc> TomTomTosch: I actually can simply rollback to Jessie with a single commmand - zfs rollback RPOOL/root/debian@pre-stretch
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• 40[00:07:32] <jasonwc> TomTomTosch: and this is why I want ZFS :p
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• 43[00:08:15] <jasonwc> TomTomTosch: I chose the "full upgrade" path last night, and now the system is fully Stretch. I then discovered the incompatibility with OpenPHT.
• 44[00:08:26] <jasonwc> But I can return to Jessie with a reboot to initramfs and a zfs rollback
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• 47[00:09:54] <`Kevin> jasonwc: you could stick with stretch and run PHT in a docker container
• 48[00:10:08] <jasonwc> I've never used Docker before
• 49[00:10:12] <jasonwc> What's the downsides?
• 50[00:10:37] <jasonwc> So, it's basically a container with OpenPHT and all its required deps seperate from the main system?
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• 52[00:10:42] <`Kevin> i prefer containers to keep my base OS clean/lean etc, you just have a bit of a learning curve
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• 57[00:11:19] <teraflops> why docker? why not e.g systemd-nspawn?
• 58[00:12:21] <`Kevin> teraflops: sure ive not used it yet, ive been in the docker boat using mesos+marathon thats all :)
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• 62[00:13:21] <teraflops> `Kevin: np it's just stretch has an up to date systemd version and nspawn does not require installing additional sw
• 63[00:13:23] <`Kevin> jasonwc: its a bare minimum OS install in a container using something such as debootstrap or a public debian image if you must .. then instructions such as apt-get install package1 package2 etc... then you can execute the container which runs whatever daemon
• 64[00:13:24] <jasonwc> Kevin: Is this what I want? replaced-url
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• 67[00:14:11] <jasonwc> so, the code is still running natively, but it's basically running from its own OS container - keeping the main OS clean
• 68[00:14:26] <jasonwc> Sorry - I'm reading Wiki, but I haven't done anything with containers before
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• 70[00:14:29] <`Kevin> teraflops: thanks ill look into that :)
• 71[00:16:31] <`Kevin> jasonwc: start small to understand whats going on, build something really basic replaced-url
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• 73[00:17:04] <jasonwc> Plex actually releases official Docker images for the server - just not the client
• 74[00:17:05] <jasonwc> replaced-url
• 75[00:17:10] <jasonwc> I have the server running on Jessie
• 76[00:17:18] <jasonwc> interesting stuff
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• 79[00:17:55] <`Kevin> graphical clients are a bit more work in containers due to X but its doable
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• 82[00:18:26] <jasonwc> makes sense
• 83[00:18:38] <jasonwc> Thanks for the advice
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• 86[00:19:17] <`Kevin> yep goodluck . <- afk
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• 134[00:37:57] <guest|72488> hi
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• 138[00:38:35] <guest|72488> what's the best ( easy to install ) KDE wheezy?
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• 140[00:39:08] <n-iCe> kde-full ?
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• 142[00:40:24] <guest|72488> i'm really aiming at having it ready for mempo..which is btw when?
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• 146[00:40:51] <n-iCe> guest|72488: what?
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• 158[00:46:23] <guest|72488> n-Ice: i want mempo and it requires wheezy, so which wheezy is the easiest, and when mempo is ready for prime time?
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• 161[00:46:43] <n-iCe> no idea what mempo is, sorry
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• 163[00:47:34] <somiaj> wheezy is quote old, so don't know if something is under current development it needs such an old version of debian
• 164[00:47:37] <somiaj> ,v mempo
• 165[00:47:43] <judd> No package named 'mempo' was found in amd64.
• 166[00:48:26] <guest|72488> replaced-url
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• 169[00:49:07] <rudi_s> guest|72488: Forget it and use something else. Reading the wiki page sounds very much like the project is dead.
• 170[00:49:18] <guest|72488> been on hold
• 171[00:49:52] <guest|72488> weird...was so promising...what's next best?
• 172[00:49:57] <somiaj> ,v mempo-deb
• 173[00:49:58] <judd> No package named 'mempo-deb' was found in amd64.
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• 176[00:50:27] <rudi_s> guest|72488: What exactly are you looking for?
• 177[00:50:59] <guest|72488> rudi_s: pretty much all that mempo has been aspiring to be
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• 179[00:51:30] <somiaj> guest|72488: I'd ask on #mempo about current status, a lot of that info on that page is outdated (made before the jessie release)
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• 197[01:06:28] <plujon> What version of Debian are the binary packages on snapshot.debian.org compiled against?
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• 201[01:07:30] <plujon> E.g. replaced-url
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• 247[01:38:43] <jasonwc> c-c: I just tried doing the ZFS on Root tutorial in a VM, but installed all grub's dependencies from jessie before intalling grub from Stretch. It worked. It didn't require any depeendencies from Stretch at all.
• 248[01:38:53] <jasonwc> VM booted from ZFS root w/o issue as well
• 249[01:39:06] <jasonwc> so, I guess this is one of those easy cases
• 250[01:39:56] <c-c> so, what happens on next grub update?
• 251[01:40:01] <c-c> 8D
• 252[01:40:43] <jasonwc> I can always pin it so that it doesn't upgrade
• 253[01:41:24] <jasonwc> And it's using the Stretch version, so it should only upgrade for targeted bug fixes or security updates - once the dependencies are installed it shouldn't upgrade those. Presumably.
• 254[01:41:36] <c-c> what if zfs requires grub update
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• 256[01:41:54] <c-c> well, who knows, maybe it will work great
• 257[01:42:11] <jasonwc> Yeah, then I'm screwed, but I think in this case it was just a matter of using a version of Grub that understands ZFS.
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• 259[01:42:20] <c-c> I often have to remove and reinstall when updates bump old libs or something
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• 261[01:42:38] <c-c> I guess snapshots take the risk out
• 262[01:42:52] <jasonwc> c-c I was able to cleanly upgrade to Stretch with the grub from unstable
• 263[01:42:55] <jasonwc> I tested that last night
• 264[01:43:13] <jasonwc> once on stretch it shouldn't matter since the install will then be pure
• 265[01:43:19] <jasonwc> but something could change to break that
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• 267[01:44:10] <c-c> yeah just get openpht version for your target release
• 268[01:44:14] <ScottE> stretch should be fine, just have to watch out when the kernel ABI changes and it takes awhile for updated zfs and spl DKMS packages to get updated. Same problem as for nvidia-dkms
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• 274[01:47:06] <jasonwc> ScottE: Yeah, there's a bug report for ZFS on that issue. 0.6.5.9 supports kernels through 4.9, so it shouldn't be an issue if using the stock kernel on Stretch. Only becomes an issue if you're using a kernel from backports as well.
• 275[01:47:26] <DesertRock> I’m attempting to update from 6 to 8. I’m getting this error replaced-url
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• 279[01:48:07] <ScottE> jasonwc: good point, stock kernel should be just fine
• 280[01:48:21] <c-c> DesertRock: ok, did you do dist-upgrade twice, or just edit the sources.list?
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• 282[01:50:05] <DesertRock> c-c: Yeah, I did upgrade once, got a package error, investigated it, removed it, and now am getting this one. To upgrade I edited sources.list and then ran apt-get upgrade
• 283[01:50:12] <ScottE> Although the kernel is still a moving target in stretch, so I have run into this (understandable and expected at this stage, in testing)
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• 286[01:50:55] <c-c> DesertRock: lets recap. You did dist-upgrade, then apt-get update and upgrade. Then, edited sources.list?
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• 290[01:53:07] <DesertRock> Haha, nope. 1) Edited sources.list 2) update 3) upgrade 4) error on mime-support, removed it 5) failing on startpar now. *) scattered apt-get install -f because I saw it suggested in similar cases.
• 291[01:53:59] <c-c> DesertRock: I recommend you backup your files (home), and install Debian Jessie from image.
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• 294[01:54:29] <DesertRock> c-c: Fair enough. Is there a particular reason? I just want to know more of why I’m doing something before I do it.
• 295[01:54:44] <c-c> replaced-url
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• 299[01:55:59] <DesertRock> c-c: where should I look in there for why I need to reinstall now?
• 300[01:56:13] <c-c> Also, I guess I would attempt: if lazy: 0. backup everything. 1. apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. If 1 works, reboot, and then redo 1.
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• 303[01:57:40] <c-c> DesertRock: basically from the above link the backup, 4.4.4, 4.4.5, then 4.4.4 again to ensure it worked.
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• 306[01:58:37] <DesertRock> Makes sense, doing that now
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• 312[02:01:36] <c-c> DesertRock: just make sure you end up in debian stable called Jessie :D
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• 315[02:02:17] <DesertRock> c-c: thats the goal :D
• 316[02:02:36] <DesertRock> Just glad I backed up before all of this, just wish I had a snapshot of the box
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• 320[02:06:32] <c-c> DesertRock: if in doubt, stop.
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• 322[02:07:07] <c-c> Backup. Then proceed again.
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• 325[02:08:24] <DesertRock> c-c: yeah, no kidding
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• 328[02:09:37] <DesertRock> So, I just got an error that only happens “in theory” (unless I’m misreading the manpage) replaced-url
• 329[02:10:15] <DesertRock> Going to try to install just that package
• 330[02:11:07] <DesertRock> Which fails install -f needs to get run
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• 338[02:16:23] <DesertRock> Seems like perhaps I should just do a reinstall
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• 340[02:17:53] <Guifle> hello everyone, I used tar -xvf for an .xz file of 1gb size, and the process stopped for lack of space, since the resulting file was 70gb! what should I suspect here?
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• 365[02:44:13] <benaiah> I'm having trouble getting the Dyalog APL keyboard enabled in Debian. I installed Dyalog with dpkg, which the website seemed to indicate should install the layout. The /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/apl file exists. localectl list-x11-keymap-layouts doesn't have an apl entry, though. any ideas?
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• 370[02:46:01] <Atm0spher1c> would it make sense to run testing, and when it becomes stable just change the sources?
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• 372[02:46:31] <Atm0spher1c> old machines on wheezy, i dont want to upgrade twice.
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• 377[02:48:38] <somiaj> you have to, you can't upgrade from wheezy to stretch without going through jessie
• 378[02:48:49] <somiaj> if you are going to reinstall you can install stretch directly.
• 379[02:49:02] <somiaj> (well you can, but it is not recomended)
• 380[02:49:49] <akkad> is there a 64bit userland for arm64?
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• 386[02:51:17] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj, that's what i was going to do. just install testing
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• 390[02:51:35] <somiaj> Atm0spher1c: I would wait for the release, unless you don't worry about timely security support
• 391[02:51:35] <Atm0spher1c> so then I can just simply change sources to jessie when it comes out?
• 392[02:51:53] <somiaj> what do you mean, jessie is already released.
• 393[02:52:04] <akkad> aarch64 == amd64?
• 394[02:52:11] <akkad> arm64 rather
• 395[02:52:22] <Atm0spher1c> meant stretch
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• 397[02:52:39] <Atm0spher1c> or whatever it is
• 398[02:52:45] <somiaj> why change your sources, just make them stretch to the first place, you actually probably don't want 'testing' as your sources anyways
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• 401[02:54:18] <hiexpo> hola all
• 402[02:54:22] <Atm0spher1c> somiaj, oh right of course
• 403[02:54:27] <Atm0spher1c> ya, i think that'll work
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• 408[02:58:41] <J1sy> Hello system got install nw i want to install the wares that cöme with the full install
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• 411[02:59:01] <somiaj> nw?
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• 414[03:00:19] <J1sy> The base system
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• 418[03:01:25] <J1sy> Black and white no gui
• 419[03:01:27] <jsw_> J1sy, You might be looking for Synaptic Package Manager if you use a GUI, or aptitude/apt-get if you use command line.
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• 422[03:02:14] <somiaj> you can run tasksel as well
• 423[03:02:27] <J1sy> I log in to be greetd by terminal
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• 426[03:02:46] <hiexpo> does it say Hello Friend?
• 427[03:02:49] <jsw_> Are you *trying* to install a GUI? Cause Tasksel is what you want in that case.
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• 429[03:04:19] <J1sy> The system has no DE, TRYD SELECTING KDE IT kept failing
• 430[03:04:31] <somiaj> sounds like you don't have a network setup
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• 432[03:04:49] <somiaj> I would first see what you need to setup the network, start with what type of network/card
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• 437[03:06:15] <J1sy> That failed too,i am not worried i got no internet i download the 3 disks for full install
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• 442[03:08:41] <J1sy> Being greeted by a screen of black and white is annoying and irritating
• 443[03:09:01] <jsw_> When you installed, did you tell it to not install a GUI?
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• 445[03:09:16] <jsw_> Part of the normal install process is to run Tasksel, and the default *is* to install a GUI. Gnome I believe.
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• 447[03:09:27] <somiaj> you aren't being clear, and some of us like the base install. What install image did you use exactly.
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• 450[03:09:45] <jsw_> If you have the disks and you do want a GUI, I would just reinstall and make sure the Desktop option is checked when you reach the tasksel step.
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• 452[03:10:03] <J1sy> I tryed selecting kde it wanted internet of which i dnt have
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• 454[03:10:15] <somiaj> we asked what install image did you use
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• 457[03:11:22] <J1sy> Disk 1 so far
• 458[03:11:31] <awal1> use dvd1
• 459[03:11:43] <awal1> if no internet access durring install
• 460[03:12:17] <jsw_> Perhaps somiaj meant are you using Debian Stable, Testing, or Unstable? If you don't know, you're probly using Stable.
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• 462[03:13:15] <awal1> J1sy, do you have access to internet (wired/wifi) durring install?
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• 465[03:14:04] <somiaj> dvd1 shouldn't require anything more to install the desktop
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• 468[03:15:26] <awal1> dv11 includes all the DE available (gnome, kde, xfce, mate, cinnamon, lxde) replaced-url
• 469[03:15:40] <jsw_> I'm not familiar with disk-based install but perhaps the KDE portions are on the 2nd disk?
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• 477[03:18:44] <awal1> replaced-url
• 478[03:18:56] <awal1> dvd1, cd3
• 479[03:19:02] <awal1> kde
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• 491[03:30:25] <semitones> uuhhh... how do you quit vi when you're in byobu inside of putty? esc doesn't work
• 492[03:31:58] <themill> Ctrl+[ should also switch back to command mode
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• 497[03:36:41] <semitones> thanks
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• 521[03:46:46] <piklu> I have a very strange issue happnening, I installed xrdp, but than I had to reinstall it, since than it is not creating the service files in /etc/init.d - not sure what is going on
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• 523[03:48:33] <psychoticwarrior> did u try to run updatedb
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• 539[03:57:57] <Epakai> !confmiss
• 540[03:57:57] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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• 543[03:59:14] <Epakai> piklu: ^
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• 554[04:05:05] <hiexpo> psychoticwarrior, purge it thn reinstall it
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• 557[04:06:29] <piklu> Epakai : Thanks tons
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• 597[04:37:32] <sim590> How do I show packages depending on a target package? The equivalent of `aptitude why <package>` with apt-*.
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• 605[04:40:27] <sim590> just found apt-cache rdepends...
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• 633[04:59:41] <Iridos> sim590, there's also apt-rdepends if you install it… which can also go the other way
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• 644[05:08:12] <Iridos> funny… I also thought missing init.d files are missing configuration file… but except for the ucf managed ones, I couldn't find how one shows what the config files of a package actually are
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• 653[05:13:56] <sim590> I had some kept packages so I did `apt install <kept packages>`. However, now it removed some packages I need...
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• 655[05:14:15] <sim590> How can I install the packages I need and let apt do the job of downgrading packages it needs to downgrade.
• 656[05:14:17] <sim590> 6
• 657[05:14:19] <sim590> ?
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• 660[05:15:06] <BenNZ> sim590: depends on what packages you mean , and why it needs to downgrade them
• 661[05:15:35] <sim590> For instance, when I do apt install python3-pyqt5, I get this: replaced-url
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• 663[05:16:13] <BenNZ> sim590: whats the output of apt-cache python3-pyqt5
• 664[05:16:15] <Iridos> and downgrades aren't supported because packages can't really do that
• 665[05:16:24] <BenNZ> apt-cache policy python3-pyqt5
• 666[05:16:58] <sim590> replaced-url
• 667[05:17:28] <Iridos> try using aptitude
• 668[05:17:32] <BenNZ> apt-cache policy libqt5designer5
• 669[05:17:45] <BenNZ> and the same for qtbase-abi-5-7-1
• 670[05:17:52] <sim590> replaced-url
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• 673[05:18:46] <Iridos> anyway, if you're on testing/unstable… you're supposed to know how to deal with all kinds of package dependency issues because they are part of testing testing
• 674[05:19:15] <sim590> replaced-url
• 675[05:19:32] <Iridos> but anyway, try using aptitude, it has a more complex dependency solving mechanism
• 676[05:19:51] <BenNZ> ok so do you want the one from testing or experimental
• 677[05:20:00] <sim590> Iridos: I have just started. We all have to start at some point, so that's where I am now.
• 678[05:20:16] <BenNZ> \you need to choose a version and use that
• 679[05:20:37] <sim590> BenNZ: a version for what package?
• 680[05:20:38] <BenNZ> or at least use some form of package pinning
• 681[05:20:49] <BenNZ> sim590: i meant as in stable testing or experimental
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• 684[05:21:37] <sim590> I want the packages that will let me install python3-pyqt5 back. I need this for running my browser...
• 685[05:21:42] <Iridos> there is that… but then using stable is a much more recommended, as it doesn't break on its own all the time
• 686[05:22:12] <BenNZ> if you have to ask , then yeah use stable
• 687[05:22:18] <sim590> Iridos: stable is old as the dinausors... I have identified multiple packages which are just so old I can't use them...
• 688[05:22:43] <Iridos> like what
• 689[05:23:06] <sim590> ranger, awesome, qutebrowser, ... I can go on and on.
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• 691[05:23:53] <Iridos> an ncurses file manager? seriously?
• 692[05:23:56] <sim590> I don't need to be conviced to use older software. I just want to know how to resolve this.
• 693[05:24:12] <Iridos> well, I told you what you can try ages ago
• 694[05:24:16] <sim590> Iridos: Yes. Seriously.
• 695[05:24:46] <Iridos> there is not much else, but go down the dependencies manually if aptitude cannot do it
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• 699[05:26:20] <sim590> Is aptitude doing things apt-get cannot do? Can't I just use some flag with apt-get so that it installs packages and downgrades some other packages and present me with the solution and ask me if I want it or not?
• 700[05:26:22] <Iridos> judd, versions
• 701[05:26:23] <judd> (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
• 702[05:26:31] <Iridos> libqt5designer5
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• 704[05:26:44] <Iridos> meh, lag
• 705[05:26:55] <Iridos> judd, versions libqt5designer5
• 706[05:26:56] <judd> Package: libqt5designer5 on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 5.3.2-3~bpo70+5; jessie: 5.3.2-3; stretch: 5.7.1-1; sid: 5.7.1-1
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• 710[05:30:09] <Iridos> you can install a specific version of a package with apt-get install package=version
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• 713[05:30:42] <Iridos> dpkg, partial downgrade
• 714[05:30:43] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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• 716[05:31:21] <Iridos> of course, I skipped saying again that downgrades aren'T really a thing, as upstream only supports upgrade paths, not downgrade paths
• 717[05:31:25] <Iridos> dokg downgrade
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• 733[05:39:35] <sim590> Iridos: going into aptitude and pressing 'g' (which was written to be standing for install, upgrade, download, ...) it uninstalled somewhat important packages replaced-url
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• 735[05:39:50] <sim590> wtf
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• 737[05:40:40] <Iridos> if you request an operation from the commandline just like you would with apt-get, it asks you "is that solution ok for you?" and you can choose one out of many
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• 739[05:41:23] <sim590> I can't find the package anymore.
• 740[05:41:33] <sim590> in aptitude, it's not listed. It was listed in the first place.
• 741[05:41:44] <sim590> now I only have python3-pyqt5-dbg
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• 745[05:43:58] <sim590> nvm. The interface is not intuitive at all.. But w/e.
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• 747[05:44:14] <ktechmidas> What package contains "netstat" on debian?
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• 749[05:44:45] <ktechmidas> I'm searing for it but I can't find anything... and it's not in the repo under something nice like "netstat" :D
• 750[05:45:17] <Iridos> ktechmidas, you can find it with dlocate bin/netstat (or dpkg -S instead of dlocate) … or using apt-file if it's not installed… it's in net-tools
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• 753[05:47:17] <ktechmidas> Iridos: thanks :) found it
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• 757[05:47:34] <ktechmidas> it wasn't installed which was the issue... not sure why
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• 759[05:48:50] <Iridos> install apt-file for cases like that
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• 762[05:51:57] <Iridos> sim590, also #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is focusing on testing/unstable… not that they'd have a magic wand for messed up dependencies… but for all problems happening because new packages bring them in, that's the place to go
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• 769[05:55:13] <Iridos> also… I'd actually like to have a mess like this to look at… we were working off and on on something to visualize dependencies… but I'd want some cases with conflicts to see how you can show something useful from the graph
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• 772[05:56:10] <Iridos> but this is 6am and I woke up at 4… so I'm much too tired to think about how to get that state transferred… maybe the status file in /var/lib/dpkg/status + the sources.list files?
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• 801[06:10:10] <sim590> I had this same sort of problems 2-3 years ago when I first started with debian. I couldn't resolve these problems and I went onto Archlinux and never had any problems then. Plus, I was running up to date software. Now, I tell myself I'll come back and give a try to debian and unserstand the branching system, but it seems that after 2-3 years, I get the same problems and I still cannot resolve them. I'm
• 802[06:10:12] <sim590> forced to think that debian packaging is just a mess if you want to get up to date packages.
• 803[06:12:23] <Digz> debian isn't meant to have latest/newest, it prefers the most stable packages for a lot longer than other debian based releases.... ubuntu is much newer, so is mint, and there are a dozen other releases probably. Since I use debian primarily as a server, I don't mind it having the most stable version of everything, and I will update the things that I want updated myself.... but thats just my opinion.
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• 811[06:24:34] <piklu> That is the exact reason I love debian !!!
• 812[06:24:47] <piklu> No broken shit here
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• 826[06:42:24] <RebelCoder> Guys, is LXDE desktop still being developed ? LXQt a replacement for it or something ?
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• 828[06:43:10] <RebelCoder> I want to install Deboan with LXDE on an old system as it seems to be the fastest Desktop
• 829[06:43:18] <RebelCoder> *Debian
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• 835[06:45:43] <BenNZ> RebelCoder: lxde isnt the fastest or the lightest , but lxde is no longer maintained and lxqt replaces it
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• 838[06:46:25] <RebelCoder> BenNZ, ok... good to know
• 839[06:46:29] <RebelCoder> what is the fastest then ?
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• 841[06:46:47] <icez> using a window manager by itself rather than a complete environment
• 842[06:46:52] <BenNZ> well depends on your work flow
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• 845[06:47:15] <RebelCoder> i would need a full desktop i guess..
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• 848[06:47:42] <RebelCoder> I always use KDE an all my PCs...
• 849[06:47:52] <BenNZ> try xfce , might want to play with the default theme
• 850[06:47:56] <RebelCoder> But got a cheep Lenovo mini PC
• 851[06:48:18] <RebelCoder> Hmmm XFCE seems to be still havier then MATE or LXDE
• 852[06:49:19] <icez> well mate is basically gnome2
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• 855[06:50:55] <somiaj> I would say xfce is lighter than mate, though depending on what additional features you use could seem similar
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• 861[06:55:37] <RebelCoder> Thank you, guys for the info
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• 883[07:08:09] <dunderproto> Where can I find the public key for verifying debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso?
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• 885[07:09:20] <dunderproto> Also, am I correct in understanding that even the debian xfce live iso has no proprietary blobs/software in it?
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• 888[07:13:23] <theraspberry> dunderproto: debian keyring
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• 901[07:20:30] <dunderproto> theraspberry: thanks, will look into it
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• 985[08:21:27] <bahax> Hi, I'm very frustrated :( I run Debian and I have a problem with mono and text rendering, I found multiple discussions about it and how it's solved on MacOs but I can't seem to solve it on my Debian, help please :(
• 986[08:21:27] <bahax> replaced-url
• 987[08:21:27] <bahax> replaced-url
• 988[08:21:27] <bahax> replaced-url
• 989[08:21:28] *** bahax was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 991[08:22:18] <bahax> Hi, I'm very frustrated :( I run Debian and I have a problem with mono and text rendering, I found multiple discussions about it and how it's solved on MacOs but I can't seem to solve it on my Debian, anybody have experience and can help please :(
• 992[08:22:26] <bahax> replaced-url
• 993[08:22:30] <bahax> replaced-url
• 994[08:22:34] <bahax> replaced-url
• 995[08:22:57] <bahax> it seems a problem with permission on pango
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• 997[08:23:51] <bahax> as described here: replaced-url
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• 1002[08:25:46] <bahax> as described in the solution, I changed ownership of /opt/Unity to my user, and that didn't solve the problem
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• 1041[08:42:35] <bahax> I created this thread to ask for help: replaced-url
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• 1299[10:26:07] <unborn> ,v droidcam
• 1300[10:26:08] <judd> No package named 'droidcam' was found in amd64.
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• 1329[10:37:21] <LiuYan> debhelper: help
• 1330[10:37:45] <bazhang> LiuYan, thats a chan bot
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• 1335[10:38:36] <LiuYan> bazhang: okay, thanks. zhang ba ?
• 1336[10:38:57] <bazhang> LiuYan, debian support issue?
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• 1346[10:40:47] <LiuYan> bazhang: i have same issue of bug #849630 : #849630 libmyodbc: Programs using it fails with floating point exeption
• 1347[10:40:48] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1363[10:54:10] <afx_> Hello! Anyone tried cisco packet tracer on jessie 64 ? I am thinking of following this guide replaced-url
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• 1376[10:57:28] <jelly> afx_: can that thing be downloaded without an account?
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• 1380[10:58:02] <afx_> jelly, let me check
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• 1383[11:00:14] <afx_> jelly, replaced-url
• 1384[11:00:47] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 1386[11:01:37] <tobiasBora> I'd like to install CUDA on my debian to proceed fast blender computations. However on NVIDIA website I cannot find a debian version, only an ubuntu version. Shall I use it ?
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• 1389[11:03:27] <babilen> tobiasBora: We typically recommend to install nvidia drivers from the repository.
• 1390[11:03:32] <babilen> judd: v nvidia-cuda-dev
• 1391[11:03:33] <judd> Package: nvidia-cuda-dev on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.2.9-2; wheezy-backports/non-free: 5.5.22-6~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 6.0.37-5; jessie-backports/non-free: 7.5.18-4~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 8.0.44-3; sid/non-free: 8.0.44-3
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• 1393[11:04:02] <babilen> tobiasBora: That would be the cuda dev libs, while you can get information on how to install drivers on replaced-url
• 1394[11:04:11] <tobiasBora> babilen: Hum ok I was looking for cuda* package, forgot the nvidia...
• 1395[11:05:07] <tobiasBora> If I'm using now my Intel card (optimus...), if I install nvidia driver will it switch all my system to the nvidia card ?
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• 1397[11:07:55] <tobiasBora> (What I'd like to know is a "headless" gpu config)
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• 1403[11:10:34] <tw> you can see if bumblebee fixes it. it's what games use to switch gpus. I don't know if there is a debian package.
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• 1408[11:11:36] <afx_> bumblebee works for me
• 1409[11:12:01] <afx_> with nvdia 760MGT and intel hd4000
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• 1411[11:12:19] <tobiasBora> What is the difference between bumblebee and primus ?
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• 1414[11:13:17] <tobiasBora> nevermind
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• 1417[11:14:11] <tobiasBora> So I just need to install sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus nvidia-cuda-dev, add myself to the bumblebee group, and I'll have a working CUDA ?
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• 1425[11:19:52] <afx_> tobiasBora, for me it was this : replaced-url
• 1426[11:20:18] <afx_> someone here has to review that , as I am not a debian expert
• 1427[11:20:46] <afx_> but like I said this worked with the gpus mentioned before
• 1428[11:20:59] <afx_> Also I am using jessie 64
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• 1441[11:29:06] <iveqy> Hi,
• 1442[11:29:22] <iveqy> I've written a startup script. replaced-url
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• 1445[11:30:15] <iveqy> running the script with /etc/init.d/ble start works fine but when I try to start it with serveice ble start nothing happens and journalctl -n20 only shows success.
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• 1459[11:39:14] <andre144k> hello all
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• 1461[11:39:54] <andre144k> how can i get informations about "memory" in used by programs+libs (withoud cache/buffers) ?
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• 1463[11:40:22] <andre144k> gnome is showing "7,8gb" in use - free says under "used" "80gb"
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• 1467[11:41:26] <tobiasBora> afx_: Ok thank you !
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• 1470[11:43:46] <tobiasBora> andre144k: Why don't you run a "du -d 1 /" on / folder, and sum all the weight of the folders you need ? (I think you can include nearly everything except the /var folder, but I'm not an expert)
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• 1472[11:44:13] <andre144k> i mean ram memory
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• 1476[11:47:15] <RebelCoder> Hello. Is there a Debian 9 ISO available yet ??
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• 1484[11:48:51] <themill> !install stretch
• 1485[11:48:52] <dpkg> The best way to install Debian 9 "Stretch" is probably using the current release candidate of the installer images. replaced-url
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• 1488[11:50:08] <RebelCoder> Will LXQt be on the list of Desktops in this image ?
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• 1490[11:50:29] <RebelCoder> I mean, during the install...
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• 1493[11:51:49] <rock> PYTHON
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• 1495[11:51:49] <rock> How To Install Python 3 and Set Up a Local Programming Environment on Debian 8 / kali linux 2016.2
• 1496[11:51:49] <rock> BYrockstardevil
• 1497[11:51:50] <rock> vist here for FULL IINFORMATION ::-- replaced-url
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• 1500[11:53:19] <userro> rip
• 1501[11:54:15] <userro> what does "frozen" mean?
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• 1503[11:55:29] <jelly> !freeze
• 1504[11:55:29] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
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• 1506[11:56:54] <userro> thanks
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• 1519[12:03:04] <uniTosch> hello, I'm having trouble connecting to eduroam wifi. network manager tries to connect then asks me to repeat my credentials, because authentification failed. i tripple checked, it's 100% correct. tried both 3.16 and 4.9, using the network manager applet. my chipset and journalctl output while trying to connect: replaced-url
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• 1522[12:03:42] <uniTosch> * tried both 3.16 and 4.9 kernels.
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• 1525[12:04:49] <uniTosch> i'm also using the certificate proided by my institute.
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• 1527[12:05:41] <themill> uniTosch: is your login name in the right form? eduroam often uses a different login name to normal
• 1528[12:06:41] <uniTosch> themill: yes, i tried both my username and username@win.tu-berlin.de, same result.
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• 1539[12:12:18] <babilen> uniTosch: And you followed the instructions on replaced-url
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• 1548[12:15:00] <tobiasBora> I cannot make optirun working
• 1549[12:15:12] <tobiasBora> $ optirun blender
• 1550[12:15:14] <tobiasBora> [ 455.467314] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver
• 1551[12:15:42] <uniTosch> babilen: no, i used the general instructions replaced-url
• 1552[12:16:04] <babilen> (assuming you read German)
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• 1555[12:16:33] <babilen> It is, most likely, due to you having chosen the wrong "Innere Legitimierung"
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• 1572[12:22:17] <uniTosch> babilen: ha, thanks a lot. i had to install the certificate correctly and run update-ca-certificates. works now :)
• 1573[12:22:39] <babilen> uniTosch: Splendid :)
• 1574[12:22:52] <babilen> Enjoy free wifi all around Europe!
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• 1576[12:23:13] * babilen wonders how Brexit will affect eduroam
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• 1579[12:24:33] <babilen> Ah, not at all
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• 1610[12:41:04] <snowkrash> hi
• 1611[12:41:07] <snowkrash> what does AuthenticationMethods "publickey,password" "publickey,keyboard-interactive"
• 1612[12:41:16] <snowkrash> keyboard interactive mean?
• 1613[12:41:31] <snowkrash> is that sentence right that way?
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• 1624[12:44:38] <snowkrash> is this supported by debian?
• 1625[12:44:42] <snowkrash> 2 factor auth
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• 1630[12:47:03] <tobiasBora> Grr
• 1631[12:47:13] <tobiasBora> I cannot make nvidia working with bumblebee
• 1632[12:47:19] <tobiasBora> It tolds me that I have no drivers
• 1633[12:47:23] <Walex> snowkrash: 'keyboard-interactive' is not 2-factor, but there are various ways to do 2-factor
• 1634[12:47:44] <tobiasBora> but nvidia-driver is installed at version 375.39-1 500
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• 1642[12:56:51] <grauzikas2> hello, can some one explain how to fix this problem? replaced-url
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• 1648[13:02:27] <snowkrash> do you recommend to use tripwire?
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• 1658[13:06:16] <davencyw> hello
• 1659[13:06:20] <tobiasBora> Does anyone knows how I could update all my system, except the texlive distribution ? (I don't have the time to update the XX Go of my texlive distro)
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• 1662[13:08:01] <davencyw> i have updated my nvidia drivers to a broken version (i guess) and now tried to reinstall the drivers, if i boot, just a shell opens to log in.. and then i can execute startx but then i get just another shell where i can launch some programs but not all.. but my normal window manager (i3) is not working..
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• 1664[13:08:26] <uniTosch> grauzikas2: works for me. you can also try downloading it using a browser.
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• 1667[13:09:32] <tobiasBora> davencyw: Did you remove X11 when you removed the nvidia drivers ?
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• 1669[13:10:14] <davencyw> tobiasBora, i dont think so
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• 1678[13:11:05] <davencyw> tobiasBora, i removed xorg stuff (is this the same?) but reinstalled it again
• 1679[13:11:15] <CeBe> tobiasBora: you need to put the packages on hold: replaced-url
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• 1681[13:11:32] <snowkrash> Walex, ok, well i just talked about public key plus password but i think i understood now
• 1682[13:11:44] <snowkrash> Walex, do u recommend tripwire for debian?
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• 1684[13:12:30] <Flashdown> Hello together, I have a debian stretch server which is ad integrated using samba with kerberos. Today I faced a situation where in /var/tmp/ files have been written beginning with krb5_somestring which filled up /var/tmp and because of this kerberos failed. I remember that today a colleague was logged in using local console and logged in as root for some time. I am trying to figure out what special situation causes these files to
• 1685[13:12:51] <Flashdown> any ideas? normally that folder uses 1.6 MB out of 100 MB
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• 1687[13:13:23] <tobiasBora> CeBe: Thank you !
• 1688[13:13:26] <uniTosch> davencyw: if you use startx and no dm, you would usually create an ~/.xinitrc with exec i3 in it. have you done that?
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• 1693[13:14:26] <davencyw> uniTosch, i had a dm before, but that is gone as well..
• 1694[13:14:36] <tobiasBora> davencyw: Well, usually you don't want to remove the xorg stuff... After I'm really not an expert, so I don't have better idea that purging every nvidia* packages, and reinstall your gnome/xfce/kde/whatever environment.
• 1695[13:15:06] <davencyw> i think i can generate an x config file with the nvidia settings
• 1696[13:15:11] <Flashdown> Is this the right place to ask or should I go to a samba/ Kerberos channel?
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• 1698[13:15:24] <`slikts> what's better, dnsmasq or bind if I just want dns, not dhcp?
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• 1702[13:16:03] <tx> What for?
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• 1704[13:16:11] <`slikts> dns forwarding and setting local domains
• 1705[13:16:22] <`slikts> it'd run on a rpi so needs to be lightweight
• 1706[13:16:37] <tx> multiple domains?
• 1707[13:16:39] <tx> (local)
• 1708[13:16:51] <`slikts> yes, sharing machine names
• 1709[13:16:59] <`slikts> in lan
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• 1711[13:17:24] <tx> oh right, so just the one
• 1712[13:17:27] <jolt> `slikts: I would use dnsmasq in 99 percent of those cases, thats very lightweight and easier to maintain
• 1713[13:17:27] <tx> computer1.foo
• 1714[13:17:29] <tx> computer2.foo
• 1715[13:17:29] <petn-randall> !raspbian
• 1716[13:17:29] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 1718[13:17:43] <tx> I'd use dnsmasq, yeah.
• 1719[13:17:52] <`slikts> tx: thanks, that makes sense
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• 1721[13:18:05] <jolt> `slikts: Especially since you can have dnsmasq look at the hosts-file instead of setting up a full zone
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• 1724[13:18:12] <`slikts> oh, cool
• 1725[13:18:15] <tx> Which can be in a PITA.
• 1726[13:18:20] <tx> (zone files)
• 1727[13:18:32] <jolt> (bind in general :D
• 1728[13:18:39] <`slikts> I've used both before, just thought that there might be an another alternative
• 1729[13:18:48] <tx> there's powerdns
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• 1731[13:18:58] <`slikts> sounds scary
• 1732[13:19:01] <tx> but I would still use dnsmasq, the set up lends itself to it
• 1733[13:19:08] <tx> as it is quite simple (and so is dnsmasq)
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• 1736[13:19:26] <`slikts> hopefully the rpi is fast enough to handle dns forwarding...
• 1737[13:19:34] <tx> for sure
• 1738[13:19:48] <`slikts> you'd think that, but in my experience it's almost always disappointingly slow
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• 1740[13:19:52] <`slikts> even shell over ssh is slow on it
• 1741[13:20:03] <jolt> `slikts: Thats not a big job, dont worry about it
• 1742[13:20:14] <tx> is this over wifi?
• 1743[13:20:16] <`slikts> no
• 1744[13:20:27] <tx> hm, which pi?
• 1745[13:20:56] <`slikts> 1 model b iirc
• 1746[13:21:01] <`slikts> yeah
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• 1748[13:21:21] <tx> Ah right, you may need to run raspi-config (or get it and run it if you are using debian debian)
• 1749[13:21:25] <davencyw> ok wow, i got it! the missing piece war lightdm
• 1750[13:21:27] <tx> to set the memory share ratio and clock rate
• 1751[13:21:32] <tx> they all use 10/100 ethernet though.
• 1752[13:21:42] <`slikts> the network is 100 base t
• 1753[13:21:48] <`slikts> so that's fine
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• 1755[13:22:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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• 1757[13:22:55] <`slikts> so far the pi has failed as an htpc (xbmc), a web server and a mc server :)
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• 1759[13:23:37] <BluesKaj> kodi works well here on my rpi3
• 1760[13:23:56] <`slikts> this is pi 1
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• 1762[13:24:24] <BluesKaj> yeah , a bit much for the 1
• 1763[13:24:34] <c-c> zxd dstat
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• 1776[13:26:42] <rgr> recommendations for incremental back up solution? I have currently a rsync setup but each rsync updates the backup potentially overwriting previous good backup. So ideally something with forward/back increment snapshots.
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• 1780[13:27:52] <bzed> rgr: restic, borg-backup, obnam
• 1781[13:27:56] <bzed> rgr: backuppc
• 1782[13:28:01] <rgr> rsnapshot?
• 1783[13:28:08] <bezaban> rdiff-backup for something similar
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• 1785[13:29:12] <petermolnar> hi #debian, a quick question: xfce4-volumed doesn't seem to exist in stretch (9 rc2) as a package, yet it's shown in sid as debports; is anyone aware of the reasons? I can't find anything on this.
• 1786[13:29:24] <bzed> rgr: rsnapshot should work well, too. if you want tome real dedpu and encryption, use somthing else
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• 1788[13:30:09] <tx> petermolnar: replaced-url
• 1789[13:30:27] <tx> :(
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• 1793[13:30:58] <petermolnar> hm. maybe replaced-url
• 1794[13:31:01] <tx> tldr: It was removed because it depends on gstreamer 0.10.
• 1795[13:31:02] <bzed> petermolnar: replaced-url
• 1796[13:31:03] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1799[13:31:54] <petermolnar> thank you; the reasoning sound legit, but a bit annoying not to have it :/
• 1800[13:32:33] <tx> surely there is a functional alternative
• 1801[13:32:38] <tx> as xfce4 is still packaged
• 1802[13:32:44] <petermolnar> not really
• 1803[13:33:00] <petermolnar> I stand corrected, I haven't found one yet
• 1804[13:33:10] <petermolnar> which fully replaces it's functionality
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• 1808[13:34:00] <tx> are you using it to map media keys to behavior?
• 1809[13:34:07] <tx> (volume up, pause, play etc.)
• 1810[13:34:20] <petermolnar> that is easy to fix, the notify-send is the problematic part
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• 1813[13:34:48] <petermolnar> xfce4-volumed has some tricky workaround to support gauge display like the power manager for brightness
• 1814[13:35:14] <tx> So what isn't working?
• 1815[13:35:20] <tx> Notifications for media changes?
• 1816[13:35:32] <tx> or notify-send itself? :P
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• 1819[13:37:28] <petermolnar> media key mapping is ok with application shortcuts mapped to Xf86 and amixer; however, there are not notifications about the volume any more. if you map notify-send to the key as well, the xfce4-notifyd doesn't support gauge values, therefore on every keystroke it will send a new notification; this isn't the case with volumed, which handled this gracefully, just like the power manager for the brightness.
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• 1821[13:37:57] <petermolnar> now, I could create a wrapper, using libnotify directly, but that's hackier than xfce4 usually is :)
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• 1825[13:39:44] <tx> the response I am getting is "Use xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and pavucontrol instead."
• 1826[13:40:10] <tx> " with the advent of xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin for the panel, you don't need xfce4-volumed anymore, because it can show notifications by itself."
• 1827[13:40:13] <tx> it's a christmas miracle!
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• 1831[13:41:23] <petermolnar> that requires an xfce4-panel, which I'm not running at the moment (I'm using tint2). No need for sarcasm, this, for me, is a regression in modularity.
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• 1835[13:41:57] <petermolnar> and just asking if anyone is aware of an actual replacement; a panel plugin is not one.
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• 1841[13:42:30] <tx> Ah right, I was not aware you weren't using a non bog-standard setup of xfce.
• 1842[13:42:42] <tx> panel is usually assumed.
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• 1848[13:44:05] <tx> petermolnar: in terms of non-xfce specific alternatives, volumeicon may be one.
• 1849[13:44:06] <petermolnar> anyway, I'll take a look at replaced-url
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• 1852[13:44:33] <tx> replaced-url
• 1853[13:44:35] <tx> no worries.
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• 1884[13:54:45] <puzzlingWeirdo> does anyone know how I can prevent chromium from asking forthe keyring password everytime it starts? I don'tuse it and it's a pain
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• 1887[13:55:16] <c-c> uninstall keyring
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• 1889[13:55:59] <BluesKaj> disable wallet if you don't use it, puzzlingWeirdo
• 1890[13:56:04] <puzzlingWeirdo> thanks
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• 1893[13:57:26] <puzzlingWeirdo> how do i do that BluesKaj ?
• 1894[13:57:41] <puzzlingWeirdo> isn't it needed for anything else? c-c
• 1895[13:57:53] <c-c> Do you need it for something?
• 1896[13:58:26] <puzzlingWeirdo> c-c: not that i know of, but where are the debian release keys stored?
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• 1898[13:59:34] <`slikts> can I use iface eth0 inet dhcp and override just the dns servers?
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• 1903[14:01:20] <c-c> puzzlingWeirdo: I think you would do well to visit a search engine more
• 1904[14:01:41] <c-c> - Note - it may well be some component on your system depends on gnome-keyring -- I wouldn't know.
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• 1907[14:03:29] <c-c> --> $ apt-cache depends gnome-keyring
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• 1910[14:04:37] <c-c> argh. typoed that ^
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• 1913[14:04:47] <c-c> 8) $ apt-cache rdepends gnome-keyring
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• 1920[14:06:41] <BluesKaj> yeah, i'm a kde guy so wallet setting access is different for me
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• 1922[14:07:39] <c-c> - also you can install apt-rdepends package
• 1923[14:07:55] <puzzlingWeirdo> yeah got it, cannot remove it, and there's also no clean way to disable it
• 1924[14:07:58] <puzzlingWeirdo> for chromium
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• 1927[14:08:19] <c-c> puzzlingWeirdo: I think you didn't visit the search engine enough
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• 1931[14:09:54] <BluesKaj> puzzlingWeirdo: there is a method iirc, surely you'll find a fix if you search doogle
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• 1933[14:10:10] <puzzlingWeirdo> c-c: there's a bunch of "insert blank passwords" and "right click here and go to preferences" solutions, but I don't actually have access to a full gnomeUI
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• 1935[14:10:41] <BluesKaj> google eveen ;-)
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• 1948[14:19:27] <puzzlingWeirdo> right, this is just fucking annoying
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• 1950[14:19:46] <ychaouche> o/
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• 1956[14:20:59] <puzzlingWeirdo> ./\
• 1957[14:21:08] <puzzlingWeirdo> ahh damn
• 1958[14:21:19] <puzzlingWeirdo> wanted to give you legs mate
• 1959[14:21:20] <zykotick9> puzzlingWeirdo: i assume you have autologin enabled with your DM? i believe if you login in "properly" it would remove the issue.
• 1960[14:21:43] <puzzlingWeirdo> zykotick9: i'm running qubes
• 1961[14:21:56] <zykotick9> puzzlingWeirdo: i have no idea what that is...
• 1962[14:22:17] <puzzlingWeirdo> it's a virtual machine, and as far as i know it's using a startx with no password
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• 1965[14:22:24] <zykotick9> puzzlingWeirdo: oh, so NOT debian then...
• 1966[14:22:33] <puzzlingWeirdo> it is debian
• 1967[14:22:43] <puzzlingWeirdo> a debian virtual machine
• 1968[14:23:43] <petn-randall> !based on
• 1969[14:23:44] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1974[14:24:07] <kInOzAwA> puzzlingWeirdo: wrong channel to ask about that. create your own issue to qubes mailing-list instead.
• 1975[14:24:19] <puzzlingWeirdo> problem solved thanks
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• 1978[14:24:49] <puzzlingWeirdo> anyway, it appears that --password-store can be used with chromium
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• 2002[14:37:18] <StrongBit> hello
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• 2004[14:37:39] <StrongBit> why is service networking restart not using /etc/network/interfaces?
• 2005[14:37:47] <StrongBit> or if it is using
• 2006[14:37:53] <StrongBit> it simply uses something else
• 2007[14:37:57] <ychaouche> hello StrongBit
• 2008[14:38:00] <StrongBit> at the final config
• 2009[14:38:01] <StrongBit> hello
• 2010[14:38:07] <c-c> StrongBit: because you didn't describe the problem sufficiently in ##linux
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• 2012[14:38:42] <StrongBit> @c-c: wtf yes very funny I can see you are in both sides
• 2013[14:38:42] <BluesKaj> StrongBit: do you still use network-manager?
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• 2015[14:39:12] <StrongBit> no I don't think so
• 2016[14:39:18] <StrongBit> I think I removed it
• 2017[14:39:29] <c-c> replaced-url
• 2018[14:39:37] <missmbob> !tell StrongBit -about crosspost
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• 2021[14:40:26] <StrongBit> !tell missmbob to go fuck himself\herself
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• 2028[14:41:32] <babilen> Unacceptable
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• 2105[15:07:09] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
• 2106[15:07:14] <JyZyXEL> "DebianStretch contains the KDE Frameworks 5.22, Plasma 5.6 and Applications 16.04 "
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• 2116[15:11:29] <DexterF> hi
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• 2121[15:12:37] <DexterF> say I want to clone a machine 100 times and all of them are supposed to have individual hostnames and ssh keys. now I could mount the image, modify it etc but I guess that dragon has been slain before?
• 2122[15:12:59] <DexterF> is there a mass deployment solution?
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• 2143[15:18:16] <puzzlingWeirdo> configuration manager? saltstack
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• 2145[15:18:25] <puzzlingWeirdo> #salt
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• 2147[15:18:32] <puzzlingWeirdo> DexterF:
• 2148[15:19:20] <puzzlingWeirdo> it's configured in python - so if you know that..
• 2149[15:19:21] <tw> DexterF: if you aren't already using a cfg management package (and you should be), remove the ssh host keys from the image and they'll get automatically regenerated. The easiest way to get the hostname depends on your existing infrastructure, whether it be latching on to the hostname DHCP hands out, DNS PTR lookup on the IP, polling/registering with LDAP/AD, etc.
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• 2158[15:20:58] <Iridos> there was a tool in debian to help you work on multiple nodes at the same time… it opened a terminal for each of the nodes and would duplicate your typing input on all of them
• 2159[15:21:03] <Iridos> and I forgot what it was called
• 2160[15:21:10] <tw> pssh is one of them
• 2161[15:21:38] <Iridos> this one opened terminals… which I disregarded at the time, because it doesn't scale to 500 node4s
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• 2163[15:22:31] <Iridos> hm, maybe that's it
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• 2167[15:23:22] <saiju> Hi All, my Debian 8 root partition / was occupying 98% space . I did apt-get clean and restated apache as some log files got deleted while apache was running. Now i have 62% space. /proc filesystem is still taking space , Please advice how to fix this?
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• 2170[15:23:39] <ychaouche> hey #debian
• 2171[15:23:42] <Iridos> no, I'm already using pssh regularly… that's something else
• 2172[15:23:59] <ychaouche> Anyone familiar with missing postfix logs ?
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• 2174[15:24:07] <Iridos> saiju, /proc isnt't taking up space, it's virtual
• 2175[15:24:18] <ychaouche> some of the postfix logs are absent from syslog and mail.log
• 2176[15:24:21] <missmbob> saiju: you probably have a large /var/log
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• 2180[15:25:05] <ychaouche> they belong to qmgr and smtpd. I was running them chrooted, unchrooted them, restarted postfix and rsyslog, but still nothing from them in the logs.
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• 2186[15:26:42] <ychaouche> (details : replaced-url
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• 2192[15:30:23] <saiju> missmbob Iridos : /var/log is taking 4.2MB only. These are the services which are running replaced-url
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• 2197[15:31:32] <Iridos> I already told you that /proc is purely virtual. forget about it
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• 2199[15:31:43] <Iridos> (or read up on it, what it is)
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• 2201[15:32:26] <Iridos> run "man proc" and read on it
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• 2203[15:33:11] <saiju> Iridos: Yeah , correct. How can i check which process is consuming / partition .
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• 2208[15:34:23] <Iridos> dpkg, disk space
• 2209[15:34:23] <dpkg> hmm... disk space is df1 shows a summary of the disk space used and free across all file systems. Use "cd /foo && du -hx --max-depth=1 | sort -h" to see which subdirectories of /foo are using lots of space, or use the graphical X tool gdmap or the ncurses tool ncdu -x. For space used by installed Debian packages, ask me about <sort by package size>.
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• 2215[15:37:28] <frostschutz> mount --bind / /mnt/root && ncdu /mnt/root
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• 2230[15:45:08] <plasmoduck> anyone know how I can change only the mate menu icon without changing the entire icon theme?
• 2231[15:45:08] <plasmoduck> <plasmoduck> the icon theme I am using sets the menu to the mate icon, but i want the gnome footprint icon, or a debian icon, or anything.
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• 2257[15:57:53] <psychoticwarrior> whats up
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• 2267[16:01:14] <Zad> hello there! is there a way to install n virtual machines at a time?
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• 2269[16:01:37] <plasmoduckk> n?
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• 2277[16:03:46] <plasmoduckk> Zad: what do you mean n?
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• 2282[16:04:56] <plasmoduckk> hmm
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• 2289[16:06:17] <Zad> plasmoduckk, install several VMs at a time on a host machine
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• 2291[16:07:01] <Zad> I don't mean selecting 'create a new vm' and running parallel installs. I mean using one install medium and have it install multiple VMs at a time
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• 2297[16:07:34] <plasmoduck> not that I know of
• 2298[16:08:36] <TheSin> anyone have any hints or ideas why I would have this in my logs over and over, it's the only server I manage that has it other of 14 servers replaced-url
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• 2300[16:08:55] <TheSin> only diff on this server it that it runs dovecot, but I"m not sure how dovecot could be at fault for this
• 2301[16:09:59] <plasmoduck> ShalokShalom, shalom my friend!
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• 2324[16:19:49] <psychoticwarrior> im jewish too. shalom!
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• 2382[16:39:38] <jasonwc> How do I change the default Desktop Environment for a user? I have created a user with no password, enabled auto-login and passwordless login, and created a custom xsession that opens OpenPHT so that the system basically operates like an appliance while allowing me to use ZFS as a backup server in the background. Everything works except that the user's default desktop environment is Cinammon
• 2383[16:39:38] <jasonwc> - not the custom OpenPHT .desktop I created.
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• 2386[16:40:11] <plasmoduck_> [Chris Garvin, cyberphreak] hey
• 2387[16:40:11] <jasonwc> I want the system to automatically login user openpht with the custom .desktop I setup
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• 2392[16:41:38] <greycat> jasonwc: traditionally, you would put "exec something" in the user's ~/.xsession file and pray that you are using a DM that reads that file.
• 2393[16:41:50] <greycat> Where "something" is the magic start command for whatever DE you wanted that user to use.
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• 2414[16:46:29] <ddrescue> greetings nixlings :)
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• 2422[16:49:10] <jasonwc> greycat so, in this case exec openpht, since i have an openpht.desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions?
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• 2425[16:49:37] <greycat> I don't know what openpht is.
• 2426[16:49:47] <georgia> Have any of you looked into Vault 7? I want to know if I should be concerned.
• 2427[16:49:55] <jasonwc> greycat it's just what i named my custom session
• 2428[16:50:05] <jasonwc> openpht is a fork of Plex Home Theater
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• 2431[16:50:51] <greycat> Well, you can try it. If that doesn't work, then you'll need to figure out what the command is to start openpht correctly.
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• 2436[16:51:58] <georgia> In case you aren't aware what I'm referring to replaced-url
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• 2449[16:55:54] <petn-randall> georgia: Not really related to Debian.
• 2450[16:56:00] <petn-randall> georgia: See /topic
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• 2456[16:57:25] <ddrescue> Hi everyone, 2 days ago i run into a issue where im not sure about how to bypass and fix it. at the weekend i've been creating my first uefi bootstick and successfully installed debian on a uefi laptop (dell lat e5550). my system is split on 4 devices which are usb32gb for /root ; usb16gb for / ; microSDcard32gb for /efiboot /var /usr ; hdd500gb for SWAP & /hfiles . since that laptop has no cd/dvd drive i had to install via usb. aft
• 2457[16:57:28] <georgia> I think it's a development/security issue. It's good to be proactive before these exploits are... exploited. It might be more suited for debian off-topic though.
• 2458[16:57:38] <ddrescue> the usb boot stick and the drivesnames has changed
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• 2460[16:57:48] <ddrescue> after a reboot i gets a initprompt
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• 2465[16:59:12] <ddrescue> the problem is that the kernel is not recognizing the microSDcard so the partitions cant be mounted
• 2466[16:59:31] <jasonwc> greycat: I tried all these methods and none work.
• 2467[16:59:34] <jasonwc> greycat replaced-url
• 2468[16:59:41] <greycat> Oh god, it's gdm.
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• 2470[16:59:50] <greycat> Ugh bleh. Good luck.
• 2471[16:59:51] <jasonwc> greycat If I choose the session I want in gdm3 it works fine
• 2472[16:59:53] <johnkeates> god's display manager
• 2473[16:59:53] <ddrescue> BUT at boot time the sdcard device gets noticed, because the EFI is actualy booting from the dev
• 2474[17:00:04] <ddrescue> YES jason
• 2475[17:00:04] <jasonwc> greycat I am not attached to gdm, I can use something else
• 2476[17:00:10] <ddrescue> jason you are absolutely right
• 2477[17:00:32] <ddrescue> but i checked the kernel before on the same distro in a live enviroment
• 2478[17:00:40] <ddrescue> and the card has been successfully recognised
• 2479[17:01:09] <greycat> So yeah, with gdm, you have to set up the .xsession file *AND* you have to click a stupid thing to get it to act like a normal display manager and read the .xsession file in the first place.
• 2480[17:01:23] <georgia> do you have i3 installed?
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• 2482[17:01:32] <georgia> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager should work
• 2483[17:01:45] <greycat> He just wants to change the DE for one specific user.
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• 2485[17:01:49] <georgia> and then startx
• 2486[17:01:57] <greycat> And he is using gdm, not startx.
• 2487[17:02:10] <jasonwc> greycat will lightdm work?
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• 2489[17:02:25] <greycat> lightdm should read .xsession by default without you having to click "be normal", yes.
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• 2494[17:03:16] <georgia> wdm can switch DEs as well, and "remember" last session.
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• 2505[17:10:28] <ddrescue> where can i change the /dev/"name" (sdx) so my boot enviroment is in line again ? i figured out that the install usb bootstick had sda and when its unplugged the next devices gets mounted as sda wich is a big problem because it messes up entire boot of the system ?!? :/
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• 2509[17:11:31] <frostschutz> ddrescue, you don't change the /dev/sdx name. it's first come first serve. don't rely on these names, use uuid/label instead
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• 2512[17:12:33] <ddrescue> moin frostschutz, danke fuer die antwort, also sollte ich die device labels aendern ? habe den devices noch garkeine gegeben da ich davon ausging das dies bei linux ueberfluessig ist und sich nur windoze systeme daran orientieren ^^
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• 2516[17:13:23] <ddrescue> das problem ist das die bootbezeichnung waehrend der installation festgelegt wurde (uefi) und wenn der kernel startet das alles hinfaellig zu sein scheint
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• 2521[17:13:56] <missmbob> !de
• 2522[17:13:56] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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• 2525[17:14:11] <ddrescue> ooh , im sorry ;D baaaad habit of mine lol
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• 2529[17:14:44] <ddrescue> frostschutz , you got me ?
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• 2533[17:15:55] <tocix> wew this chatroom makes polari hang :D
• 2534[17:16:07] <ddrescue> eeeew
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• 2537[17:16:32] <frostschutz> ddrescue, Are you new to Linux? Basically any modern distro/install uses UUID for everything by default, there's no reason for you to be concerned about device names. Everything should work regardless which "drive letter" your drives end up with
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• 2539[17:16:48] <ddrescue> there are 0000 0010 kinds of people , those who can read binary and those who cannot
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• 2542[17:17:14] <greycat> Maybe he's *old* to Linux, and is thinking of the way things used to be back in the 1990s.
• 2543[17:17:48] <tocix> There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand hexadecimal, and F the rest.
• 2544[17:18:03] <ddrescue> aaalright , no frostschutz im not new , but i must say even debian has changed a lot in the past ;) im privately on bsd home ^^
• 2545[17:18:12] <ddrescue> so what could be my issue
• 2546[17:18:35] <greycat> Your issue is that you think /dev/sdXn is a valid way to refer to a disk in an fstab file.
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• 2548[17:18:37] <ddrescue> if it is not the naming of the devices wich my system think it is
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• 2550[17:19:07] <ddrescue> so having a look into fstab cant be wrong you say ?
• 2551[17:19:34] <ddrescue> `hey grey , you got manners XD
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• 2553[17:19:41] <ddrescue> dont blame me
• 2554[17:19:59] <frostschutz> what IS your issue? what's the error message? what are you doing, which commands are you using, what's not working?
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• 2559[17:21:42] <frostschutz> you didn't explain that at all. a device being detected as sda (after original sda was unplugged) doesn't cause any problems by itself. That's completely normal...
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• 2568[17:23:43] <ddrescue> at fristboot im hanging in the initramfs console the error msg is mmc0 unknown controller version (3) i801_smbus :00:1f.3: failed to enable smbus dev (-16)
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• 2570[17:23:59] <ddrescue> mmc0: turning execution failed
• 2571[17:24:07] <ddrescue> gave up waiting for root dev
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• 2573[17:24:58] <ddrescue> frostschutz i did explained more precisely after i joined here [16:57] <ddrescue> Hi everyone,
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• 2577[17:25:45] <ddrescue> btw ALERT! /dev/sdd1 does not exist. dropping to a shell
• 2578[17:26:06] <aleph-TA> does anyone have an idea as to why my DNS would stop working around every 5 hours while using openvpn in a network namespace?
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• 2580[17:26:39] <greycat> Did you try asking #openvpn yet?
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• 2584[17:27:33] <aleph-TA> not yet, i was thinking it's more of a linux issue. i'll try that though
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• 2586[17:28:03] <aleph-TA> thanks for the tip
• 2587[17:29:14] <ddrescue> any sugguestions ?
• 2588[17:30:38] <petn-randall> ddrescue: Yes, use UUIDs.
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• 2601[17:36:02] <jasonwc> greycat: gdm3 actually worked better. I couldn't event get lightdm to auto-login a user.
• 2602[17:36:24] <lszyba1> Hello, I have an issue with my laptop. The mouse keeps moving. How can I "in terminal" see who is moving the mouse: Choice are: Touch screen, touch pad, logitec usb/wireless mouse. ? Would anybody know how I can watch the mouse input source? or which program would that be?
• 2603[17:36:35] <jasonwc> greycat: For now I set Cinammon to autostart OpenPHT which works fine. However, it would be nice to have OpenPHT setup to start in its own session - less memory usage and nothing running in the background
• 2604[17:36:56] <jasonwc> works with gdm3 but I have to manually login to set the correct session type
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• 2652[17:54:11] <Delf> Reading the manuals but I don't understand much. Is there a way to use pam to limit the number of GDM sessions certain user can has?
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• 2656[17:55:54] <armin> is there a commandline ipv6 calculator available in debian?
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• 2666[17:59:48] <jhutchins> Delf: The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: replaced-url
• 2667[17:59:58] <jhutchins> Delf: Not sure it will help, but possible.
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• 2669[18:00:11] <ddrescue> lszyba1 , check the ssh if theres a ctive session, other way would be to write a c prog that filters you the stdout of the device you want and list it into a > any.txt
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• 2671[18:00:42] <Delf> jhutchins: Not sure if the link is actually broken or if it's just me. "replaced-url
• 2672[18:01:14] <ddrescue> but you will propably get assembler code or binary , can be helpful but i doubt you want that
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• 2675[18:02:02] <tw> lszyba1: look at xinput and xev. They both allow reading lots of display events from the root window.
• 2676[18:02:28] <ddrescue> but does it list i/o ?
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• 2679[18:03:01] <jhutchins> Delf: gdm.conf - Max Sessions, but it's not per-user.
• 2680[18:03:06] <ddrescue> and isnt it a x service so x has to run for xinput to work ?
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• 2684[18:03:36] <jelly> Delf: it's not just you, seems TLDP's domain expired
• 2685[18:03:41] <jhutchins> Delf: I suspect your DNS, loads fine here.
• 2686[18:03:45] <tw> ddrescue: you can use both from the terminal remotely using the DISPLAY env variable.
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• 2688[18:03:57] <ddrescue> aah nice , thanks tw
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• 2695[18:04:30] <jelly> jhutchins: which IP does replaced-url
• 2696[18:04:40] <Delf> jhutchins: If that's the case, do you mind giving us the ip# :D
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• 2699[18:05:15] <jhutchins> jelly: 152.19.134.41
• 2700[18:05:30] <jelly> Updated Date: 2017-03-07T13:21:04Z
• 2701[18:05:30] <jelly> Creation Date: 2002-03-07T14:16:34Z
• 2702[18:05:31] <jelly> Registry Expiry Date: 2017-03-07T14:16:34Z
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• 2704[18:05:56] <jhutchins> jelly: I see their registration expired at 14:16 GMT
• 2705[18:05:59] <jelly> jhutchins: you can thank your caching dns for that
• 2706[18:06:00] <Delf> jhutchins: Are you using a cache proxy? :P
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• 2708[18:06:31] <jhutchins> Delf: Not that I know of. Google Fiber Router is the local DNS, it probably caches.
• 2709[18:06:33] <Delf> Can't access the correct content even with the ip#
• 2710[18:06:52] <jelly> Delf: you can temporarily put "replaced-url
• 2711[18:06:57] <jelly> mind the typo
• 2712[18:07:18] <jhutchins> Delf: Probably name-based.
• 2713[18:07:26] <Delf> replaced-url
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• 2715[18:07:39] <jelly> that won't work, use the hosts file workaround
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• 2721[18:08:34] <greycat> Or you can get google's cached copy.
• 2722[18:08:45] <jelly> now what I'd really worry about is if archlinux' wiki was dns-gone
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• 2726[18:09:24] <Delf> Thanks!
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• 2733[18:11:10] <Delf> Can't find anything related to what I want in the guide :(
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• 2738[18:13:13] <jelly> jhutchins: google does all sorts of interesting workarounds with their public dns resolvers and presumably their customer stuff as well, some of those technically break dns (like keeping records past TTL) but make their users happier
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• 2745[18:15:44] <jhutchins> This user is happy.
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• 2748[18:16:20] <jhutchins> Delf: gdm.conf - Max Sessions, but it's not per-user.
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• 2751[18:18:37] <missmbob> jhutchins: wow (i dont use gdm)...i wonder wth they were thinking not being per-user
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• 2753[18:19:02] <jhutchins> missmbob: More oriented toward a thin-client system.
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• 2755[18:20:37] <jhutchins> /etc/security/limits.conf will limit by group or user.
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• 2784[18:29:28] <Delf> jhutchins: I tried the limits.conf, but it does not differentiate between ssh session or gdm
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• 2787[18:30:42] <Delf> I needs to limit the number of gdm sessions for specific users only. Running multi-seat setup and when the same user logs in two seats simultaneously, things become strange
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• 2822[18:43:56] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 2824[18:44:08] <tobiasBora> I'm looking for a very simple thing:
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• 2830[18:45:22] <tobiasBora> I would like a program which allows me to send tasks through ssh to lot's of machines where I'm not administrator in a "queued" way.
• 2831[18:45:28] <tobiasBora> Maybe I'm not really clear
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• 2834[18:46:30] <tobiasBora> The idea is that I put in a file all my possible entries "42 \n100 \n160..."
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• 2836[18:46:44] <tobiasBora> In another file I put the list of all the ssh machines I would like to use
• 2837[18:47:33] <tobiasBora> The I give to the program a command to run that takes the above entries as entry
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• 2839[18:47:41] <Delf> tobiasBora: I would use tmux and task-spooler
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• 2841[18:48:15] <tobiasBora> (in my case it's a blender command that do a render), and then broadcast the tasks to every nodes.
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• 2847[18:51:06] <lkn> tobiasBora, ansible
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• 2849[18:51:34] <lkn> ansible allows you to execute commands on multiple servers using ssh
• 2850[18:51:47] <tobiasBora> lkn: Yes, but I want also queue, I can't find queues in ansible
• 2851[18:51:58] <lkn> what do you mean by queue?
• 2852[18:52:13] <lkn> with ansible you can provide playbooks, so called list of commands ( queues ? )
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• 2855[18:52:45] <greycat> I think he means he only wants to run 5 at a time, and when one finishes, launch another.
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• 2860[18:53:11] <greycat> Maybe he's load-balancing 100 jobs against 5 workstations or something. It would help if he were more specific.
• 2861[18:53:50] <decuser> Just upgraded to stretch- everything is swell, but when i rebooted- no kde started. Wound up having to reinstall sddm to get it working.
• 2862[18:54:26] <decuser> Which took some digging since I thought I was using kdm :)
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• 2867[18:55:16] <tobiasBora> lkn: Well, let s be a set of command, I'd like that all the s commands are run at least once, by one of the n servers. Is it what playbooks are ?
• 2868[18:55:41] <tobiasBora> greycat: Yes, it's the idea
• 2869[18:55:52] <tobiasBora> to explain what I want to do (it will be clearer):
• 2870[18:56:27] <tobiasBora> I have a scene that I would like to render using blender. However every frame of the movie takes 30s to render, so it takes ages to have my whole movie.
• 2871[18:56:28] <greycat> I don't use ansible, but my understanding is that it's more suited for "I want to run these 174 commands on each of my remote servers"
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• 2877[18:56:56] <tobiasBora> Blender provides a way to run a command like "do the render from frame X to frame Y".
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• 2880[18:57:18] <tobiasBora> So the idea is that I cut all the frame into bunch of 10 frames (about 5mn to run)
• 2881[18:57:24] <tobiasBora> all the frames*
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• 2883[18:57:38] <greycat> tobiasBora: this is not something I've ever used before, but maybe dsh? I've heard people mention it.
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• 2886[18:58:06] <tobiasBora> Delf: I tried to understand task-spooler, but not sure to understand everything for now
• 2887[18:58:15] <decuser> This time seems ok.
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• 2889[18:59:03] <Delf> tobiasBora: Did you read the manual? after installing task-spooler, you needs to do "man tsp" for whatever confusing reason
• 2890[18:59:11] <greycat> Or if all else fails, you can cobble together something using GNU parallel or xargs -P
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• 2898[19:01:13] <tobiasBora> greycat: I don't see any queue thing inside dsh
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• 2904[19:02:57] <tobiasBora> Delf: I don't see any ssh access to task-spooler, so I have troubles to understand how it can be used by the nodes (by the way, the user (me) does not have a computer with a global address, he can be beside a NAT)
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• 2906[19:03:24] <greycat> You would include the ssh in your commands.
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• 2915[19:05:09] <tobiasBora> ahhhh
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• 2917[19:06:09] <tobiasBora> like if, instead of keeping one connection, I always create a new connection... It's not very optimised, but since my tasks are quite long to run it's a good idea !
• 2918[19:06:26] <greycat> Yeah, this is a low-budget approach.
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• 2920[19:07:13] <tobiasBora> greycat: Delf: is it in the debian repo ? I can't find it
• 2921[19:07:31] <greycat> What?
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• 2924[19:09:49] <greycat> Is _what_ in the Debian repo?
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• 2927[19:10:20] <Delf> We're probably not talking about the same thing
• 2928[19:10:39] <greycat> Many different solutions have been proposed. I don't know which one he's asking about.
• 2929[19:10:51] <Delf> task-spooler is in the Debian repo
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• 2931[19:11:14] <greycat> so are dsh and parallel, and of course xargs is in the base system
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• 2937[19:11:53] <Delf> We wouldn't ever suggest something outside the Debian repo… would we?
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• 2940[19:13:07] <greycat> Sure.
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• 2949[19:15:57] <tobiasBora> Delf: I was talking about task-spooler
• 2950[19:16:25] <greycat> ,v task-spooler
• 2951[19:16:26] <judd> Package: task-spooler on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.3-1; jessie: 0.7.4-1; stretch: 1.0-1; sid: 1.0-1
• 2952[19:16:27] <tobiasBora> hum wait
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• 2955[19:16:50] <tobiasBora> hum sorry, don't know why I didn't find it ^^'
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• 2957[19:17:15] <tobiasBora> But their is a problem with task-spooler :
• 2958[19:17:24] <Delf> tobiasBora: Spelling is a matter of life/death! :)
• 2959[19:17:28] <tobiasBora> I need to provide at the beginning which server is supposed to do what
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• 2961[19:18:28] <tobiasBora> so it makes ts pretty useless because "the hard part" is to deal with the fact that all the tasks does not last the same amount of time, and also some nodes are slower than others
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• 2967[19:20:12] <Delf> tobiasBora: You want list of commands, passed to servers, and which server depends on which server happens to be not doing any work?
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• 2986[19:30:58] <baphomet`> How do I search for backdoors in the debian software?
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• 2997[19:35:52] <jelly> baphomet`: how do you search for backdoors anywhere?
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• 2999[19:37:18] <abrotman> walk around the back
• 3000[19:37:38] <`Kevin> what a broad question :|
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• 3008[19:41:06] <babilen> Would be easy to fine one if the rules of the game allow one to open them also
• 3009[19:41:12] <babilen> *find
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• 3012[19:42:14] <Noetic> any i3 users here?
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• 3040[19:54:43] <tobiasBora> Delf: Well I don't want that at then end only three servers works, while the others have finished since 40mn
• 3041[19:55:36] <tobiasBora> Delf: so yes, I want that the command is send to a server A only if A does not already work
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• 3043[19:56:06] <tobiasBora> it's like very basic parallel computation
• 3044[19:56:14] <greycat> And task-spooler can't handle that?
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• 3046[19:56:22] <Delf> tobiasBora: I understand what you want but I don't know how to do it :(
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• 3048[19:56:55] <greycat> If there are no pre-made tools that do this, you may end up writing your own.
• 3049[19:57:11] <greycat> You can look for REALLY BASIC hints on replaced-url
• 3050[19:57:38] <tobiasBora> greycat: Well I think I will need to do that yes ^^ But I'm afraid that for tonight it's a bit late.
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• 3053[19:58:50] <tobiasBora> but hopefully all my tasks are nearly finished so it will be ok
• 3054[20:00:04] <Delf> Running a multi-seat setup and trying to prevent same user from logging into two seats simultaneously. I don't want to deny them ssh of course… otherwise /etc/security/limits.conf would do the trick.
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• 3056[20:00:40] <Delf> would have done the trick. But it denies ssh too so I can't use that
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• 3073[20:05:03] <Ferris-> Hi! I'm trying to update a vnc box from debian squeeze to wheezy or something more modern
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• 3079[20:06:47] <Ferris-> i've changed the repositories out. The update throws a few errors. It still thinks it's squeeze, though I've already run dist-upgrade
• 3080[20:06:57] <Ferris-> i'm scared to restart it or any such thing at this point heh
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• 3085[20:07:33] <Ferris-> also update/upgrade and whatnot
• 3086[20:07:48] <mtn> Ferris-: did you follow the release notes to upgrade?
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• 3088[20:09:05] <mtn> !squeeze->wheezy
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• 3092[20:10:39] <Ferris-> I'll try!
• 3093[20:10:42] <mtn> Ferris-: replaced-url
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• 3095[20:11:00] <mtn> Ferris-: same applies if you keep going to newer releases
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• 3111[20:16:48] <Ferris-> mtn: It wants me to assure that all packages are not marked for removal
• 3112[20:16:55] <Ferris-> i'm not sure how that works
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• 3114[20:17:15] <Ferris-> i mean aptitude -v wasn't hard to guess, but now i have somewhat of a ui
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• 3121[20:18:46] <Ferris-> oh. What happened was i hit the letter g and it deleted stuff.
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• 3131[20:25:43] <nezZario> guys
• 3132[20:26:02] <ambient> Howdy, I am running Debian 8.7 stable, and want to upgrade to SID, is a reinstall the best option or can I switch repos?
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• 3187[20:45:44] <ambient> Howdy, I am running Debian 8.7 stable, and want to upgrade to SID, is a reinstall the best option or can I switch repos?
• 3188[20:45:47] <ambient> I have been running Jessie for a few months now
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• 3191[20:46:10] <jhutchins> ,v firefox
• 3192[20:46:11] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0.1-3~bpo80+1; sid: 51.0.1-3; experimental: 52.0~b9-1
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• 3194[20:47:13] <topyli> ambient: i would first make backups of course, then see if the upgrade goes well. if it doesn't, you just start fresh
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• 3198[20:48:15] <topyli> just switch your repos to testing first, then sid. make backups and pray
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• 3200[20:49:20] <topyli> the best way to install sid is to install stable first anyway and then upgrade
• 3201[20:49:47] <ambient> topyli, It is not like I can just go to advanced options at boot and pick another version, it is an all-or-nothing proposition
• 3202[20:49:55] <ambient> ?
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• 3204[20:50:12] <ambient> Like after the upgrade
• 3205[20:50:34] <ambient> I did a kernel upgrade and that did not work out so I switch to earlier kernels that do
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• 3208[20:51:13] <topyli> the installer doesn't propose options to you. you install stable and upgrade
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• 3212[20:52:15] <topyli> so you install as little as you can, basic system only. then change your repos and upgrade. only then you'll install whatever desktops or applications you like
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• 3216[20:52:55] <ambient> topyli, I read that it is best to upgrade on a fresh install. An install that has been there a few months is asking for trouble...is this so?
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• 3219[20:53:29] <greycat> There is virtually no difference between stable-three-months-ago and stable-today.
• 3220[20:53:38] <greycat> That's what stable means.
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• 3222[20:54:03] <topyli> ambient: i don't know the truth, but i like to do fresh installs in that situation. then just recover your backups and enjoy
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• 3224[20:54:15] <topyli> greycat: exactly
• 3225[20:54:33] <ambient> greycat, I think the author may have been referring to the fact that a lot of packages are pulled in that have to be mitigated
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• 3227[20:54:52] <greycat> Yes, the size/number of packages can be an issue, but not the age.
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• 3230[20:55:13] <greycat> As long as you aren't skipping an entire release.
• 3231[20:55:15] <ambient> I install a lot of stuff for audio/video/graphics. It was suggested that for some programs, it is better to go with sid
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• 3236[20:56:19] <topyli> ambient: right now i'm chatting on my audio workstation or studio or whatever. it is what i would call a "production" or a "critical" system. so i always use stable, there are backports available if you really feel your libreoffice is too old
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• 3238[20:56:45] <topyli> ambient: on my laptop, i run the latest stuff because it's not "critical"
• 3239[20:57:26] <ambient> topyli, I was thinking the way you do, but on the Ardour channel, they were pointing out that some lv2 plugins on stable are ancient
• 3240[20:57:49] <topyli> they may be
• 3241[20:58:13] <ambient> Calf Studio Gear kept crashing, but I heard that is normal for calf
• 3242[20:58:15] <topyli> of course, you'll add the kxstudios repositories there and have the latest multimedia crap
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• 3246[20:59:25] <topyli> ambient: join #kxstudio and ask them what they think. they're frienly people and artists and geeks
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• 3248[21:00:10] <ambient> topyli, I am just a newb
• 3249[21:00:21] <ambient> I am trying to understand all this, thanks for the advice though
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• 3288[21:11:52] <topyli> ambient: that's fine. everybody's a newbie at first
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• 3290[21:12:33] <RebelCoder> Hey guys. for some odd reason, after a fresh install there is no Battery indicator available and I can;t find it
• 3291[21:12:37] <RebelCoder> I use LXQt
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• 3297[21:13:24] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 3305[21:15:07] <topyli> tobiasBora: just speak. "hello" is nothing on irc
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• 3307[21:15:32] <topyli> "don't ask permission to ask a question" as they say
• 3308[21:15:46] <tobiasBora> topyli: Yes I know, but I need some time ti write my question ;)
• 3309[21:15:55] <topyli> oh ok
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• 3315[21:17:05] <tobiasBora> I upgraded this afternoon, and I don't know why, icedove now pop's up when I open it with a message telling me If you see this message box something went wrong while
• 3316[21:17:07] <tobiasBora> adopting your Icedove profile(s) into the Thunderbird
• 3317[21:17:18] <tobiasBora> profile folder!
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• 3320[21:18:42] <tobiasBora> oh it's ok
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• 3340[21:25:35] <ewew> Hi. Is there a place where i can download autopsy 4 ?
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• 3342[21:26:40] <BluesKaj> !warez
• 3343[21:26:40] <dpkg> it has been said that warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. replaced-url
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• 3345[21:27:24] <ewew> you could say its not available for linux-
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• 3349[21:30:07] <MacFloss> Hi, currently I have an application running on a server and it is exporting the display to a thin client. When the application start "appears" automatically in the client.
• 3350[21:30:27] <MacFloss> I want to improve the bandwidth used compressing X protocol.
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• 3353[21:30:59] <MacFloss> I did it in the past with ssh -XC... but I don't want to connect from the client, I mean, I want to continue "sending" X from the server. Any ideas?
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• 3361[21:35:44] <ngong> I would need some help with a Debian package. What dpkg -l reports differs from what is on my system
• 3362[21:36:05] <ngong> dpkg -l antrl* reports, that I have 2.7.7 on my system. When I start /usr/bin/antlr it reports Version 1.33MR33
• 3363[21:36:05] <dpkg> ii antrl* reports, that I have 2.7.7 on my system. When I start /usr/bin/antlr it reports Version 1.33MR33 3.3-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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• 3372[21:37:15] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$ apt-cache search --names-only antrl
• 3373[21:37:15] <greycat> wooledg@wooledg:~$
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• 3377[21:41:37] <ngong> greycat: replaced-url
• 3378[21:41:44] <semitones_> Hey there -- I installed a version of debian jessie to act as a home server, and I've got a few basic questions -- like how can I track the temperature and fan speed, and is it possible to turn off power to unnecessary pci and pcie cards at startup?
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• 3380[21:42:04] <greycat> You typoed it.
• 3381[21:42:07] <semitones_> Ideally I would find a good guide and start reading that, but one that is based in the systemd world and all that
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• 3384[21:42:45] <greycat> So, start with ls -ld /usr/bin/antlr
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• 3386[21:43:48] <ngong> greycat: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 345696 Feb 14 2010 /usr/bin/antlr
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• 3390[21:45:24] <greycat> Not an alternatives thing? Dunno.
• 3391[21:45:55] <ngong> greycat: how to check?
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• 3394[21:46:32] <greycat> You just did. It's not -> /etc/alternatives/antlr3 or anything like that.
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• 3399[21:49:03] <ngong> ls -la /etc/alternatives | grep antlr -- gave no result
• 3400[21:49:08] <Phoenix007> resolv.conf is rewritten after every reboot, debian fresh install, dns-nameservers in interfaces, but it won't write them in resolv.conf, keeps overwritten with some ipv6 nameserver
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• 3405[21:50:30] <Phoenix007> apt-get install resolvconf does not help either ...
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• 3414[21:52:03] <Phoenix007> debian does not like static ip addresses or dns addresses seems ...
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• 3422[21:53:05] <greycat> By default on a DHCP client system, resolv.conf is overwritten every time the DHCP client daemon updates your IP address. There are various ways to stop that from happening.
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• 3425[21:53:19] <greycat> Installing resolvconf is absolutely NOT one of the ways I would choose.
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• 3427[21:54:13] <greycat> !override dns
• 3428[21:54:14] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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• 3432[21:54:36] <ngong> greycat: when I just do "/usr/bin/antlr" I get replaced-url
• 3433[21:54:38] <Phoenix007> I want to use my vm as a server and needs static addresses, raspbian does all like a charm, but my pi died, so now I'm trying debian inside a vm ...
• 3434[21:54:53] <greycat> I don't have it installed. I've never even heard of it.
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• 3437[21:55:21] <Phoenix007> raspbian is debian for a Raspberry PI.
• 3438[21:55:52] <greycat> Oh, it's small. Lemme try installing it.
• 3439[21:56:03] <ngong> greycat: antlr: the most popular parser generater
• 3440[21:56:09] <greycat> ... fuck me.
• 3441[21:56:12] <greycat> WHICH PACKAGE IS IT
• 3442[21:56:31] <ngong> antlr
• 3443[21:56:44] <greycat> $ dpkg -L antlr | grep bin/
• 3444[21:56:44] <greycat> /usr/bin/runantlr
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• 3447[21:57:10] <Phoenix007> I'll try editing dhclient.conf
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• 3449[21:57:17] <greycat> ngong: Which release of Debian are you on?
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• 3451[21:57:42] <ngong> greycat: thank you, one step further: runantlr shows 2.7.7
• 3452[21:57:52] <ewew> Can someone explain what exactly means ipos,opos and rescued in ddrescue ?
• 3453[21:57:57] <greycat> ngong: also, what does "dpkg -S /usr/bin/antlr" say?
• 3454[21:58:08] <ngong> 2.7.7.
• 3455[21:58:29] <ngong> but /usr/bin/antlr is in the way
• 3456[21:58:41] <greycat> That does not look like the output of dpkg -S
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• 3458[22:00:32] <ngong> greycat: dpkg -L antlr | grep bin/ leads to runantlr, not antlr
• 3459[22:00:41] <greycat> 15:57 greycat> ngong: Which release of Debian are you on?
• 3460[22:00:43] <greycat> 15:57 greycat> ngong: also, what does "dpkg -S /usr/bin/antlr" say?
• 3461[22:01:15] <ngong> uname -a says: Linux rolf29 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 3466[22:02:18] <greycat> judd, file usr/bin/antlr
• 3467[22:02:21] <judd> Search for usr/bin/antlr in jessie/amd64: pccts: usr/bin/antlr
• 3468[22:02:29] <ngong> greycat: /dpkg -S /usr/bin/antlr says: pccts: /usr/bin/antlr
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• 3470[22:02:49] <greycat> Right, so that's where your /usr/bin/antlr is coming from.
• 3471[22:03:01] <ngong> greycat: ??
• 3472[22:03:04] <greycat> ,v pccts
• 3473[22:03:05] <judd> Package: pccts on amd64 -- jessie: 1.33MR33-6; wheezy: 1.33MR33-6; sid: 1.33MR33-6+b2; stretch: 1.33MR33-6+b2
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• 3476[22:03:22] <greycat> You have both antlr (/usr/bin/runantlr) and pccts (/usr/bin/antlr) installed.
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• 3478[22:05:01] <unborn> ,v gedit
• 3479[22:05:03] <judd> Package: gedit on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-1; jessie: 3.14.0-3; sid: 3.22.0-2; stretch: 3.22.0-2
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• 3482[22:05:16] <ngong> greycat: let me repeat: I have antlr 2.7.7 installed which gives runantlr, while pccts by itself installs antlr which gets in the way of runantlr. Right?
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• 3484[22:05:35] <greycat> I don't know what "gets in the way" means. I don't know anything about these programs.
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• 3486[22:05:59] <unborn> is there any way to get gedit 3,22,0-2 on jessie? possibly without any edits to gnome it self?
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• 3488[22:06:40] <ngong> greycat: I tried to build srcML, which needs antlr 2.7.7 to be installed. When I run make, antlr 1.33 is invoked and leads to a failure.
• 3489[22:06:48] <towo`> unborn, no, is not
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• 3491[22:07:22] <unborn> towo`: thats what I was afraid.. then I will wait till stretch will be out. thanks for your help
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• 3494[22:07:53] <greycat> ngong: Are you supposed to correct the Makefile to invoke runantlr instead of antlr? Are you supposed to symlink $HOME/bin/antlr to /usr/bin/runantlr? I literally know NOTHING about these packages.
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• 3506[22:09:43] <Phoenix007> fresh install debian (cli only, no gui): resolv.conf keeps being overwritten and inside it some ipv6 nameserver (I don't use ipv6)
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• 3508[22:10:05] <ngong> greycat: replaced-url
• 3509[22:10:06] <Phoenix007> Whatever solution google gave me ... it does not work ...
• 3510[22:10:07] <Dagger> there shouldn't be any problem with using a v6 nameserver though?
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• 3512[22:10:16] <somiaj> Phoenix007: if you can't figure out what is overwriting that, resolvconf or openresolv may help you.
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• 3516[22:11:37] <TechSmurf> Got a weird one.. fuse stopped working on one of my systems. Modprobe won't load it, throws an error at dmesg: fuse: Unknown symbol setattr_prepare (err 0)
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• 3518[22:11:54] <Phoenix007> somiaj: installing resolvconf did not help either. Will try openresolv. It's strang that a fresh install installs something that keeps overwriting resolv.conf ...
• 3519[22:12:17] <greycat> It's normal for DHCP clients to constantly overwrite resolv.conf.
• 3520[22:12:41] <TechSmurf> Googling suggests this has to do with upgrading the package or upgrading the kernel or both, without having rebooted to load the new kernel.
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• 3522[22:12:47] <greycat> If you don't like the editing dhclient.conf approach, there's always the brute force "chattr +i resolv.conf" sledgehammer.
• 3523[22:12:56] <Phoenix007> I've configured a static ip-address, I don't use DHCP addresses ...
• 3524[22:13:03] <TechSmurf> Hoooowever... rebooting isn't an option.
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• 3527[22:13:39] <greycat> Phoenix007: did you remember to kill the dhclient daemon?
• 3528[22:13:50] <ewew> anyone ?
• 3529[22:14:00] <greycat> (alternative, ifdown eth0 before you edit interfaces; alternative, reboot)
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• 3531[22:14:48] <Phoenix007> greycat: How do I do that ? I've just started using linux for 7 day's ... :s
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• 3533[22:14:53] <somiaj> Phoenix007: you may have to configure resolvconf to set a static nameserver, openresolv wno't just work without configuration either.
• 3534[22:15:06] <greycat> Phoenix007: ps auxw | grep dhc
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• 3538[22:15:32] <Dagger> the DNS server is probably coming from RDNSS... but really we're a bit past the point of "I don't use v6". it's time to be using it
• 3539[22:16:02] <greycat> Dagger: uh huh. Yeah, sure.
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• 3542[22:16:34] <greycat> Every couple years I see one of those web sites where you test to see whether you have IPv6 and every time, it says No, I do not.
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• 3544[22:17:10] <Dagger> greycat: congratulations. but the person we're talking to *does* have v6
• 3545[22:17:29] <Phoenix007> I never used ipv6, my provider does not do ipv6 and I don't use a tunnelbroker or something ...
• 3546[22:17:32] <jasonwc> greycat: In case your curious, I was able to get gdm3 to autologin with a passwordless user and then load a custom session with just OpenPHT (Plex Home Theater). The key was this - replaced-url
• 3547[22:17:46] <jasonwc> greycat: The other howtos said to modify .dmrc which no longer does anything
• 3548[22:18:03] <greycat> jasonwc: your original question led me to believe that you did *not* want the system default X session to change....
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• 3550[22:18:40] <jasonwc> greycat: Must have been some confusion then. I was trying to change from the default (cinammon) to my custom session with just OpenPHT.
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• 3552[22:19:11] <greycat> 10:39 jasonwc> How do I change the default Desktop Environment for a user?
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• 3555[22:20:02] <jasonwc> greycat: My word usage was not precise. I meant session - i.e. the *.default selections in /usr/share/xsessions
• 3556[22:20:10] <Dagger> Phoenix007: you mean Ziggo? it looks like they do (what IP is it that you're getting in /etc/resolve.conf? if it's one belong to your ISP then that's a pretty strong hint that they do v6)
• 3557[22:20:31] <greycat> jasonwc: the relevant part is "for a user". You actually wanted system-wide, so the previous suggestion to use update-alternatives would also have worked.
• 3558[22:20:55] <somiaj> Phoenix007: if you are getting ipv6 from dhcp, your network at least has some things configured for it.
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• 3560[22:21:11] <jasonwc> greycat: Actually, the howto I linked is for a user. Each user has their own config file with its own default. I made the change per user. I didn't want to do it system wide.
• 3561[22:21:20] <jasonwc> I want my main user to login to a normal desktop (Gnome)
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• 3563[22:22:23] <greycat> OK then.
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• 3567[22:23:13] <jasonwc> greycat: In any case, it was easy to accomplish. The problem appears to be poor documentation.
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• 3569[22:24:27] <wateva> help, i can't upgrade pkg login 1:4.2-3+deb8u1 cause /bin/sh being locked by /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc and /usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11. what to do?
• 3570[22:24:28] <Phoenix007> Ziggo does ip6, but only for bussines, not for home customers ... they can't / won't get it working ...
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• 3573[22:26:04] <greycat> /bin/sh should be a symlink. I can't see how that would be "locked".
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• 3577[22:27:12] <wateva> greycat: sorry noob question. but it gives error unable to install new version of `/bin/su': Device or resource busy
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• 3579[22:27:30] <ewew> Does someone know ?
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• 3581[22:27:35] <greycat> sh and su are very different.
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• 3584[22:28:22] <{alexanderrr> hi
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• 3586[22:28:48] <{alexanderrr> i want a little help... how to open /mnt/config/login.cgi
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• 3593[22:29:45] <greycat> wateva: if /bin/su (NOT /bin/sh) is being fucked with by your desktop environment, what I would do is log out of the desktop environment, and do that upgrade on a text console.
• 3594[22:29:55] <{alexanderrr> i want a little help... how to open /mnt/config/login.cgi i use putty on telnet
• 3595[22:30:04] <tw> {alexanderrr: there is no such file on a standard debian system. that cgi file could be anything at all.
• 3596[22:30:39] <wateva> greycat: doh my bad. should of looked it carefully. tq
• 3597[22:30:47] <{alexanderrr> ok but i just want to open this file is my ip cammera to see the password
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• 3599[22:31:50] <tw> {alexanderrr: that's way outside of the scope of #debian.
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• 3612[22:33:53] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 3623[22:38:35] <teraflops> not really
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• 3628[22:41:05] <Phoenix007> Does any one know which process is changing resolv.conf .. I want to kill that process ... it can't be this hard I think ?
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• 3631[22:41:32] <Dagger> as I hinted, it's probably rdnssd
• 3632[22:41:46] <Dagger> but unless there's actually a problem, just leave it alone. it's perfectly fine to use a v6 DNS server...
• 3633[22:42:04] <greycat> Phoenix007: did ps auxw | grep dhc show anything?
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• 3635[22:42:35] <Phoenix007> I'm just rebooting ... give you an answer in a minute ...
• 3636[22:42:46] <TechSmurf> How can I downgrade my installed kernel modules back to 3.2.81-1? The packages no longer appear to be in the repo...
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• 3639[22:43:02] <Klaus_Dieter> Phoenix007: resolvconf it is mostly.
• 3640[22:43:21] <somiaj> TechSmurf: what version of debian are you using? Why don't you want the current kernel with the security fisxes?
• 3641[22:43:23] <greycat> Klaus_Dieter: dhclient will do it directly even if resolvconf is not installed
• 3642[22:43:27] <somiaj> ,kernels
• 3643[22:43:28] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.13-1); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-2)
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• 3645[22:43:33] <TechSmurf> somiaj: because I can't reboot this production system.
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• 3649[22:44:02] <somiaj> TechSmurf: well the kernel has security issues you may want to deal with, but you can see if the old packge is in /var/cache/apt/archives or check snapshot.debian.org
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• 3651[22:44:09] <TechSmurf> and now the system is borked because someone thought it was a fabulous idea to overwrite modules being used by the running kernel
• 3652[22:44:10] <Phoenix007> ANSWER (ridle to me): rooot 674 0.0 0.2 12728 2200 tty1 S+ 20
• 3653[22:44:30] * TechSmurf nods
• 3654[22:44:49] <Phoenix007> ANSWER (ridle to me): root 674 0.0 0.2 12728 2200 tty1 S+ 20:33 0:00 grep dhc
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• 3658[22:45:18] <klaas> what could be the reason that I can't mail other local users on a newly installed debian jessie? I get "Unrouteable address" errors
• 3659[22:45:35] <greycat> Phoenix007: OK, it's not running currently.
• 3660[22:45:44] <greycat> assuming that was the only non-header line
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• 3662[22:46:18] <greycat> So if you've removed all the crazy shit like resolvconf and avahi (?) and network-manager (?) then your resolv.conf might be safe now.
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• 3664[22:47:15] <Phoenix007> network-manager is not installed, resolvconf I deïnstalled, avahi I don't know ...
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• 3666[22:47:35] <greycat> Did your resolv.conf change unexpectedly this time?
• 3667[22:48:06] <Phoenix007> Yep, this time it showed the google dns server ... 8.8.8.8
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• 3669[22:48:13] <TechSmurf> somiaj: Looks like snapshot might cover my needs. Thanks :)
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• 3671[22:48:26] <Phoenix007> But it's a pain in the but to get this shit working ...
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• 3675[22:49:23] <Phoenix007> It does not take dns-nameservers from /etc/network/interfaces .... (4 hour's wasted ... :( )
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• 3677[22:49:48] <greycat> Once you disable all the crazy automatic overwriting you can just edit /etc/resolv.conf and leave it, and you're done.
• 3678[22:50:11] <greycat> I don't use the chattr +i approach myself, but some people do, and I don't blame them.
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• 3680[22:50:23] <greycat> It's WAY simpler, conceptually.
• 3681[22:50:29] <Phoenix007> It's hell ... this is not what I expect from I fresh clean CLI install ...
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• 3685[22:51:52] <Phoenix007> I will edit the resolv.conf again, change it and see if it sticks after a reboot ...
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• 3690[22:53:03] <PryMar56> Phoenix007, systemctl disable resolvconf
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• 3692[22:53:16] <towo`> Phoenix007, could it be, your system is using systemd-resolved?
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• 3696[22:54:19] <PryMar56> oh, you uninstalled resolvconf
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• 3698[22:54:57] <Phoenix007> fresh installed, I don't know, I'm a noob ... I'm coming from Windows 10 ... (which is far easyer to configure networking ...)
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• 3700[22:55:08] <topyli> this is probably a faq by no, but please bear with me. i just installed jessie yesterday. I don't do TV, so i depend on streaming. I installed chromium, but neither widevine or pepper-flash will install, the installer fails. with flash, it simply cannot download the needed file, and with chrome-widevine, it fails to find the correct file as well
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• 3702[22:55:23] <topyli> just complaining, don't worry :)
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• 3704[22:55:55] <somiaj> topyli: the pepperflash package is broken, so you'll have to manually install it. widevine doens't work with chromium, you'll have to get google-chrome's package for that.
• 3705[22:56:06] <somiaj> topyli: google-chrome's package from google may just work for both
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• 3708[22:56:36] <Phoenix007> My change of resolv.conf sticked !!! Yeah !!!
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• 3710[22:57:05] <missmbob> topyli: this is a good script to install peppper flash replaced-url
• 3711[22:57:32] <topyli> somiaj: basically you're saying i might as well install chrome :)
• 3712[22:57:46] <missmbob> topyli: not if you use that script. no need for chrome
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• 3715[22:58:29] <topyli> thanks missmbob
• 3716[22:58:37] <topyli> i will check that out
• 3717[22:58:56] <unborn> ,v judd
• 3718[22:58:57] <judd> No package named 'judd' was found in amd64.
• 3719[22:59:21] <unborn> okay how come b0t reply here on chan but not in pm?
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• 3723[22:59:43] <unborn> does anyone know what I am doing wrong ? according to /msg to bots
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• 3727[23:00:43] <greycat> You need to type /msg judd v pkgname
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• 3730[23:01:05] <topyli> missmbob: frankly, i don't even know why i care about browsers being free, there are pretty much none. maybe epiphany or qupzilla or whatever these small contenders are
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• 3732[23:01:12] <unborn> greycat: ah so no /query judd package name?
• 3733[23:01:42] <greycat> You can also use /query judd, if you prefer that.
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• 3735[23:01:53] <greycat> Learn to IRC.
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• 3738[23:02:39] <topyli> on freenode, i think these days msg is pretty much the same as query
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• 3740[23:02:55] <unborn> okay greycat /msg judd v package name worked instantly. query somehow did not.. I will use /msg judd v package-name. thanks for your help
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• 3742[23:03:01] <TechSmurf> somiaj: Got working kernel modules back via snapshot. Thanks for the assist :)
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• 3748[23:06:02] <unborn> topyli: sure.. but I ain't write that b0t and there is not freaking manual how to use that b0t.. when you ask, finally op will give you correct answer with side not to learn irc.. i would say write the wiki how to use that b0t but again.. im glad to use it.. don't care about anything else I ain't asked..
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• 3752[23:07:17] <Verity> replaced-url
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• 3754[23:07:25] <Verity> I followed these step by step very carefully 3 times and it fails
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• 3756[23:07:37] <Verity> any ideas? c++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus)
• 3757[23:08:08] <Verity> ok
• 3758[23:08:11] <Verity> I dont have enough memory?
• 3759[23:08:14] <Verity> how can I compile this
• 3760[23:08:26] <greycat> Running out of memory is one possibility, yes.
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• 3763[23:08:53] <dannyLopez> I have this crontab, but dont work, any idea why? replaced-url
• 3764[23:09:21] <Verity> how can I fix this?
• 3765[23:09:27] <Verity> this vps has low ram, 128mb
• 3766[23:09:40] <greycat> Fuck that, compile on your home computer.
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• 3768[23:09:46] <greycat> Then upload the compiled program.
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• 3772[23:10:23] <greycat> (or on any other system that has the same arch and the same release of Debian)
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• 3778[23:11:49] <Verity> I can't
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• 3782[23:12:43] <Verity> greycat, I need a solution to build on the machine
• 3783[23:12:50] <greycat> There is no solution.
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• 3785[23:13:20] <greycat> Get another VPS with more memory and compile on that one, then move it over. Or get a computer of your own.
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• 3787[23:14:03] <semitones> Hey, what program would I use to look at temperature, fan speeds, and sensor readings on a debian server?
• 3788[23:14:06] <Verity> what about swap?
• 3789[23:14:16] <Verity> or making it usel ess ram
• 3790[23:14:32] <greycat> If it's OpenVZ, you literally CAN NOT USE SWAP.
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• 3792[23:14:42] <greycat> If it's something else, you tell me. Can you?
• 3793[23:14:44] <dannyLopez> This crontab dont work, any idea why? replaced-url
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• 3797[23:16:13] <greycat> dannyLopez: what is the error?
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• 3799[23:16:21] <rattking> semitones: sensors.. its in the lm-sensors package
• 3800[23:16:34] <semitones> rattking, thanks!
• 3801[23:16:43] <dannyLopez> Not wors, not do the copy.
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• 3807[23:17:57] <greycat> dannyLopez: read the email that it sends you with stdout+stderr. Or find the entries in the /var/log/whatever file.
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• 3825[23:22:00] <dannyLopez> greycat: The mail show me the vervose of crontab -e
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• 3850[23:28:01] <kurse> I did a very stupid thing over the past few days and unfortunately I am not sure which stupid action resulted in this, but I can no longer use systemd or upstart to restart services like nginx or uwsgi. When I try to do sudo service nginx restart I now get the error Restarting nginx (via systemctl): nginx.serviceFailed to get D-Bus connection: Failed to
• 3851[23:28:01] <kurse> connect to socket /run/systemd/private: No such file or directory
• 3852[23:28:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1716
• 3853[23:28:06] <kurse> any ideas or help?
• 3854[23:29:03] <kurse> I am using the latest version of Debian as well.
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• 3873[23:38:18] <Verity> greycat: I can't beleive that
• 3874[23:38:31] <Verity> why cant it just use less ram
• 3875[23:38:33] <Verity> this is an outrage
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• 3888[23:46:09] <dfrey> Verity: Why can't you build on a different machine?
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• 3896[23:49:59] <Verity> dfrey, its YCM for vim
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• 3898[23:50:12] <Verity> C family completion
• 3899[23:50:26] <Verity> there is a poackage but I'm not sure if its up to date
• 3900[23:50:29] <Verity> and it seemed like it did nothing
• 3901[23:50:35] <Verity> also wasnt sure if it would conflict withvundle
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• 3919[23:55:55] <jhutchins> Not having any luck connecting Windows 10 to my Debian CUPS printer.
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• 3922[23:56:27] <jhutchins> Any search involving Windows 10 turns up a bunch of spam results like "install driver updater"
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• 3929[23:57:54] <Verity> dfrey,
• 3930[23:57:57] <Verity> any ideas for me?
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• 3932[23:58:02] <Verity> I've been trying for 4 days
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