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9 [00:06:04] <LinuxGuy2020> I just discovered these older
release archives.
replaced-url
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11 [00:06:55] <LinuxGuy2020> It woudnt make much sense to not
also have the packages somewhere otherwise the jigdo files are
completely worthless.
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15 [00:08:48] <dvs> Like
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17 [00:09:42] <dvs> Like
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18 [00:11:40] <LinuxGuy2020> I found them. Thanks.
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20 [00:11:54] <dvs> !next
21 [00:11:55] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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91 [00:55:01] <tgunr> anyone using netatalk for configuring a
time machine volume? I sure would like to see you config files,
spent all afternoon and I cannot get the volume to mount rw on the
the client macs. Mode is always 500 after Time Machine connects.
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105 [01:08:25] <altker128> tgunr: Have you tried with something
like FreeNAS to make sure it's not a macOS issue?
106 [01:09:09] <tgunr> no, don't have the resources for
another machine
107 [01:09:24] <tgunr> found a way to use samba, trying that
108 [01:10:09] <altker128> I never used TimeMachine but used
macOS with netatalk for years without issues
109 [01:10:34] <altker128> I've switched to Samba/SMB3 since
I needed interoparability with Linux & Windows machines
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115 [01:13:18] <tgunr> using timemachine on Samba?
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124 [01:19:39] <eb0t> hey when i issue command users on
debian....it lists same user multiple times depending how many
terminals i have open
125 [01:19:51] <eb0t> on other systems normally jsut lists each
user once
126 [01:20:08] <eb0t> so i can see which users are on the ssystem
not how many sessions the user has
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128 [01:22:20] <eb0t> i suppose it just takes everything from
/var/run/utmp
129 [01:22:28] <eb0t> nothing i can do about it really
130 [01:24:59] <HUMPLED> strange
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132 [01:26:46] <nyov> never heard about 'users' - but
that seems a lot less useful than 'who'
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166 [01:55:55] <horribleprogram> Ian Murdock AMA
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187 [02:12:26] <burrows> sometimes when I update my system I see
"User sessions running outdated binaries..." and it lists
currently running outdated binaries that need restarting. Is there a
command I can type to see that same list that "apt" uses?
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191 [02:17:34] <jmcnaught> burrows: it's probably
needrestart-session
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199 [02:23:55] <burrows> jmcnaught: package
"needrestart-session" depends on a lot of packages, and
apt lists them without those dependencies
200 [02:24:11] <eb0t> nyov who is much better thanks
201 [02:26:51] <eb0t> debian lists tty and pts
202 [02:26:57] <eb0t> other system just lists 1 tty
203 [02:27:04] <eb0t> that explains it
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207 [02:31:20] <burrows> found the command btw, it's
"sudo needrestart", thanks jmcnaught for pointing me in
the right direction
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225 [02:52:58] <phil_azing> I just installed debian under WSL on
windows 10. Does this area cover that use case?
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246 [03:07:39] <altker128> phil_azing: Are you running into
issues with Debian on WSL?
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254 [03:14:21] <terrible> hello it is possible to rename one
folder and all the files inside that folder with the mv command??
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263 [03:22:05] <Tom-_> terrible, there's a perl-based rename
command in Debian somewhere
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265 [03:22:13] <Tom-_> !rename
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268 [03:22:41] <Tom-_> dpkg, prename
269 [03:22:41] <dpkg> prename is probably a utility to rename
files based on perl expressions including regular expressions, e.g.
«prename s/JPG/jpg/ *». prename is often also available
as /usr/bin/rename but that is not guaranteed -- calling it prename
will mean you get a command not found error rather than accidentally
calling the wrong rename with bad consequences.
270 [03:23:06] <Tom-_> but, to answer your original question, no.
mv doesn't do that all in one command
271 [03:24:49] <terrible> Tom-_: but prename is not installed by
default right???
272 [03:25:47] <Tom-_> it is
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275 [03:27:11] <terrible> actually i dont have it installed i
found it in the repos list
276 [03:27:41] <terrible> gprename and rename both arent
installed by default and are in the repos list
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278 [03:29:46] <Tom-_> hmm well i assumed that perl was installed
by default because it's in standard and i assumed a lot of
things depended on it
279 [03:30:11] <Tom-_> and prename is in perl on my Debian
stretch-based system
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286 [03:36:44] <terrible> Tom-_: ok thank you tom
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288 [03:39:58] <Tom-_> you're welcome
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298 [03:54:03] <altker128> terrible: There are some cool renaming
/ dupe finding programs out there as well
299 [03:55:13] <terrible> altker128: any of those programs are
installed by default??
300 [03:55:27] <terrible> and what are the names of them
301 [03:55:28] <terrible> ???
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304 [03:57:24] <somiaj> for what purpose?
305 [03:57:34] <phil_azing> I went away to research WSL. My issue
is urbackup fails in what I suspect is the WSL Debian area of disk.
I suspect it is relates to perl having both a sys and a Sys
directory.
306 [03:58:02] <somiaj> rename works and has simple syntax, if
you have subdirectories of your subdirectory, this can get a little
more complicated, also depends on the format of the files
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308 [03:59:43] <phil_azing> Windows shows
\\wsl$\Debian\usr\lib\x86_64-linux-gnu\perl\5.24.1\Sys and
\\wsl$\Debian\usr\lib\x86_64-linux-gnu\perl\5.24.1\sys and I think
urbackup is confused by case change
309 [03:59:47] <terrible> somiaj: what i trying to do is to
remane one folder and all the files inside that folder with the mv
command but is not possible one folk here told me one solution the
rename command
310 [03:59:56] <altker128> terrible: Not by default
311 [04:00:18] <altker128> terrible: dupeguru is one (GUI) ,
fdupes (CLI)
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313 [04:00:44] <altker128> terrible: fslint (to find duplicates)
314 [04:00:49] <altker128> terrible: fslint (to find duplicates,
GUI)
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316 [04:02:00] <altker128> phil_azing: Hrm, sorry, I have nothing
to comment on that, no experience with WSL
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321 [04:04:53] <terrible> altker128: ok
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331 [04:18:11] <phil_azing> I found some info at
replaced-url
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334 [04:19:00] <phil_azing> and at
replaced-url
335 [04:19:29] <phil_azing> WSL looks like a mess to me
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346 [04:26:39] <scaredysquirrel> um yes how do I compile Weston
6.0.1 after compiling Wayland 1.17.0?
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348 [04:26:55] <scaredysquirrel> I put Wayland in $HOME/bin
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351 [04:28:15] <m4ch1n3znc> that waylandthing will replace
Xorg/Xserver in future?
352 [04:28:42] <Primer> phil_azing: I tried to move from cygwin
to WSL, but pids in WSL != PIDS on windows
353 [04:28:47] <Primer> So things like ssh agents don't work
354 [04:29:14] <somiaj> m4ch1n3znc: that is the plan, though it
is taking its time, though buster will use waylend by default with
gnome.
355 [04:29:40] <Haxxa> Hey Guys I need some advice I am getting
lots of kernel panics from USB Passthrough, someone was telling me
that this is common depending on the hardware and I'm best to
use the host instead or use another server, thoughts?
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360 [04:32:20] <m4ch1n3znc> passthrough from host to kvm guest?
361 [04:32:33] <Haxxa> yes
362 [04:32:53] <Haxxa> m4ch1n3znc, with a usb webcam used for IP
camera
363 [04:33:09] <m4ch1n3znc> try avoid un/pluging while host is
running with an rull for passthrough
364 [04:33:22] <m4ch1n3znc> *guest
365 [04:33:51] <Haxxa> m4ch1n3znc, its never unplugged its a
server
366 [04:33:57] <m4ch1n3znc> set a rule for certain device plug it
to host then boot guest
367 [04:34:29] <jmcnaught> scaredysquirrel: 'apt-get
build-dep weston' would install what is required to compiled
the weston package, then presumably you follow the instructions in
the INSTALL or README in the weston tarball
368 [04:34:30] <m4ch1n3znc> yes but the guest may detect device
un/replug it
369 [04:35:05] <m4ch1n3znc> when you set a rule for a device it
should prevent that when guest releases device its pluged into host
370 [04:35:10] <jmcnaught> scaredysquirrel: by the way how do you
intend to run weston, in a tty?
371 [04:35:16] <m4ch1n3znc> and try downgreade from usb3 to 2
372 [04:35:20] <scaredysquirrel> jmcnaught: um yes in a tty
373 [04:35:28] <scaredysquirrel> but I wanna have Weston built as
my user
374 [04:35:37] <scaredysquirrel> Debian doesn't have Weston
6
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376 [04:36:07] <somiaj> scaredysquirrel: the suggestion
wasn't to isntall debian's weston, but to use debians
source package to install the build depends.
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378 [04:36:16] <scaredysquirrel> mhm
379 [04:36:42] <m4ch1n3znc> hey but anyway why an ip cam needs
passthrough to vm?
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381 [04:37:09] <jmcnaught> scaredysquirrel: also please
don't crosspost, it's impolite (/msg dpkg crosspost)
382 [04:37:16] <m4ch1n3znc> why guest doesnt access the cam over
ip
383 [04:38:10] <scaredysquirrel> lol lol lol MATE 1.22
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393 [04:46:36] <Primer> Does anyone here know how iwlwifi picks
the firmware file it loads? I check the intel site and the driver
for this card use -34 firmware, but dmesg shows -38 being loaded.
Both exist in /lib/firmware, so I figure they are not mutually
exclusive.
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395 [04:47:13] <Primer> This wifi fails to resume from suspend.
It's the one annoying thing about this great new laptop.
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400 [04:48:07] <m4ch1n3znc> wlan firmwares are in non-free
firmware packages
401 [04:48:21] <m4ch1n3znc> firmware-<chip_manufacturer>
402 [04:48:27] <m4ch1n3znc> apt-cache search ^firmware-
403 [04:48:32] <Primer> Indeed
404 [04:48:35] <m4ch1n3znc> eg firmware-atheros
405 [04:48:43] <Primer> The question was, how does the driver
pick which it loads
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410 [04:49:13] <Primer> [83932.014747] (NULL device *): firmware:
direct-loading firmware iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode
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413 [04:50:19] <Primer> Mine's the 9560, which should be
using iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode, according to Intel's
file for the model, from their site
414 [04:50:24] <m4ch1n3znc> think in detail its individual for
each driver but the firmwares seem to be all in /lib/firmware/
415 [04:50:43] <Primer> Yup, they are. Both are.
416 [04:51:22] <Primer> Both iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-38.ucode
and iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-34.ucode (as well as
iwlwifi-9000-pu-b0-jf-b0-41.ucode)
417 [04:51:41] <m4ch1n3znc> my atheros wlan has e.g an option
"modprobe use_dev_fw=1"
418 [04:51:59] <m4ch1n3znc> if its set then it loads the
firware-dev variant file
419 [04:52:12] <m4ch1n3znc> else the regular
420 [04:52:35] <m4ch1n3znc> seems that its hardcoded for my
device in ath9k_htc kernel module
421 [04:52:56] <m4ch1n3znc> the paths
422 [04:53:21] <m4ch1n3znc> *modprobe ath9k_htc
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424 [04:53:54] <Primer> modinfo iwlwifi doesn't list
anything equivalent
425 [04:55:10] <m4ch1n3znc> yeah would think they are usually
hardcoded, my device is an exception cuz firmware is opensource and
there is also an development firmware variant but the drivers are
not ment to play around with diffrent files
426 [04:55:20] <Primer> I don't even know if changing this
will make a difference...just need this to resume from suspend.
Maybe I should test to make sure this actually works in windows...
427 [04:55:26] <m4ch1n3znc> you can backup and rename versions to
that one that is loaded
428 [04:55:34] <m4ch1n3znc> or symlink it
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430 [04:56:19] <Primer> yeah, I thought of that. I'll test
windows first. Hate to think it's an actual hardware issue, but
who knows.
431 [04:56:30] <m4ch1n3znc> but think the wlan module is ment to
run with only one certain version of fw
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434 [04:56:51] <Primer> Except this one drives all sorts of
different cards
435 [04:56:57] <m4ch1n3znc> certain module version for certain fw
version
436 [04:57:08] <Primer> And I imagine it loads the firmware based
on the PCI ID
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438 [04:57:42] <Primer> Gonna test windows just to check that box
439 [04:57:44] <m4ch1n3znc> no the module is loaded that way and
the fw path is hardcoded in the module
440 [04:57:54] <m4ch1n3znc> i guess think
441 [04:58:01] <Primer> modinfo does list a bunch of firmware
files
442 [04:58:11] <Primer> So yeah, that makes sense
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540 [06:53:32] <ozfalcon> Currently I have a ram disk setup from
fstab. How would I make this a zram disk instead?
541 [06:53:54] <somiaj> just modify fstab with the correct
options, or write a systemd unit file.
542 [06:54:08] <somiaj> but systemd just turns enteries into
systemd .mount units
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545 [06:55:13] <ozfalcon> Can you point to any references.
Whenever I google zram/fstab all I get is setting up zram for swap.
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547 [06:56:10] <somiaj> Unsure on the details, I would start with
by manually mounting one with the mount command, then you'll
know what to add to fstab.
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549 [06:57:02] <somiaj>
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559 [07:03:22] <somiaj> ozfalcon: a brief read of that says it is
a bit more complicated than a normal device, you'll have to
load the module, set the size of the disk, make a file system on it,
then mount the file system.
560 [07:04:42] <ozfalcon> So have a zram entry in fstab may not
be possible?
561 [07:05:20] <somiaj> ahh I found a way to do it with udev
rules, so you might be able to 1) write a udev rule that will set
the drive size and create a file system on it when the module is
laoded.
562 [07:05:34] <somiaj> 2) load the module in /etc/modules
563 [07:05:53] <somiaj> 3) then have an entry in fstab, provided
the module is loaded and udev does its thing first, it might be
possible to do
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565 [07:06:38] <somiaj>
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566 [07:06:47] <somiaj> also you need to adjust for the number of
zram devices you want.
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569 [07:09:12] <ozfalcon> Actually, I may just do it via a
script. Then I don't have it allocated unless I'm going to
use it (Usually just for compiling in).
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596 [07:34:08] <ozfalcon> I'm trying to use zram for an ext2
partition, But I cant seem to get zram to even work......?
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598 [07:35:52] <ozfalcon> sudo modprobe zram
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602 [07:36:12] <ozfalcon> works ok and there is now
/sys/block/zram0
603 [07:36:31] <ozfalcon> but sudo echo 1048576
>/sys/block/zram0/disksize
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605 [07:36:50] <ozfalcon> fails with bash:
/sys/block/zram0/disksize: Permission denied
606 [07:36:55] <ozfalcon> wtf
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608 [07:37:45] <jpw> you can't use sudo and > in
combination
609 [07:38:06] <jpw> the redirection will work as your current
user not using the elevated permissions
610 [07:38:25] <ozfalcon> oh then in brackets?
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613 [07:38:34] <jpw> use "echo 1048576 | sudo tee
/sys/block/zram0/disksize"
614 [07:39:50] <ozfalcon> ok will try that
615 [07:40:43] <ozfalcon> ok that works. Didn't know about
tee before either.
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620 [07:43:17] <ozfalcon> ok, I have created a ext2 filesystem -
But it doesn't show in my filemanager (nemo).
621 [07:43:20] <ozfalcon> hmmm
622 [07:43:48] <jpw> can't help with that unfortunately
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624 [07:45:49] <jpw> also, any particular reason you are using
ext2?
625 [07:46:08] <jpw> i would encourage you to use something more
modern
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628 [07:47:02] <ozfalcon> Simply because it's not a journal
file system.
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630 [07:47:50] <jpw> you can turn journaling off on ext4.
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634 [07:49:04] <ozfalcon> yes, I read that. But I just wanted to
get them zram disk working to start with.
635 [07:49:21] <jpw> fair enough
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638 [07:50:31] <ozfalcon> Gota go for a while. Will be back at
& asking probably more Q's it later
639 [07:50:47] <ozfalcon> Thanks for your help sofar.
640 [07:50:52] <jpw> np :)
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647 [07:58:06] <rant> is there a way in software to change the
colors a printer actually uses? I got an hp printer here that has 4
seperate ink cartridges and isnt printing black.. seems the
printhead needs replaced, I'd ideally for the time being until
that gets fixed either make it print say dark blue or composite all
3 colors to make black or something
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654 [08:00:40] <somiaj> there might be, but you may have to go
get into the details of a .ppt or whatever the print files that cups
uses are to confuse it
655 [08:00:59] <somiaj> Might be easier to just export the
document to html, and make the text blue
656 [08:01:19] <rant> yeah easier for you or me.. we know wth
we're doing :P
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659 [08:02:12] <somiaj> but I don't think there is any easy
way to do that, though I am hesitant to say it is not possible, but
finding the documentation to do that might be hard, you may ahve to
become a cups expert first.
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661 [08:02:41] <rant> I did manage to get it to print black again
dripping water into the black head and cartridge but its all messed
up.. I think the head is more than just clogged, seems damaged
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663 [08:03:18] <rant> it seems odd cause when I told HPLIP to
print a test page from stretch, it printed the grey gradient fine
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665 [08:03:30] <rant> yet it printed none of the text
666 [08:03:38] <somiaj> As an aside, I wouldn't fix the
inkjet printer, get a laser printer, they are cheap enough these
days. The brother I have is wirless, you can get toner caterages
that print 500+ pages on amazone for about $15, and the thing only
cost like $60 (doesn't do color though, but unless you drop the
dough I don't think it is worht doing color)
667 [08:04:03] <rant> we'd have to save up to be broke
around here.. $15 would get a new print head :P
668 [08:04:33] <somiaj> yea, I just got tired of print caterages
that cost as much as a printer. You could get a whole new printer
for $20-25
669 [08:04:46] <rant> I do like laser better myself cause I dont
print often and inkjets are a waste cause they need to be used
frequently
670 [08:05:15] <rant> I used to have an HP LaserJet 4si but gave
it away cause I got tired of lugging the beast around and servicing
it
671 [08:05:46] <jpw> somiaj: that's usually because the
cart's that come with new printers are only partially full.
672 [08:05:58] <somiaj> Yea, I was happy when we switched, so
much less hassle, and saves money in the long run, but yea, if money
is tight, it would be nice to try to do it cheaply, have you tried
to take it apart and clean the jets?
673 [08:06:39] <rant> I haven't taken it apart yet.. its
gonna be a bit of an ordeal.. its an all in one printer and seems to
use hex screws
674 [08:07:15] <rant> HP OfficeJet 4620
675 [08:07:34] <rant> I been just using a wet paper towel and
squeezing it to drip water down into the head
676 [08:07:40] <rant> that got it printing a little bit
677 [08:07:54] <somiaj> maybe a hair dryer to heat it up a bit
too?
678 [08:08:15] <somiaj> though I guess if ink is dry and clogged,
heat might not do much
679 [08:08:38] <rant> its used frequently.. its my fathers and he
does corier work and prints out paperwork regularly
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684 [08:09:46] <rant> so idk how the ink would just dry up like
that.. thats something I see more often with my use.. cause I am
lucky if I print 6 times a year
685 [08:10:48] <rant> thats one of the real good things about a
laser printer you can let it sit around for years then just send it
a print job and I'll print fine
686 [08:11:06] <rant> an ink jet you can't really let sit
even a couple weeks without using it
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689 [08:11:49] <m4ch1n3znc> also stupid ink cardrides are
expensiver then the printer
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691 [08:12:38] <EdePopede> lamps as giveaways and MMF with the
oil
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693 [08:13:11] <rant> yeah well I doubt my father pays for the
ink :P
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695 [08:14:12] <rant> I think he's becoming a kleptomaniac..
stole a salt shaker from long john silvers when we were there
yesterday
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697 [08:14:56] <rant> and if you seen the spice rack in his
kitchen, he def didnt need any salt
698 [08:14:59] <somiaj> becareful, he might need a kindney and
your probably compadable...
699 [08:15:18] <rant> I got two brothers
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701 [08:15:34] <EdePopede> oh, that's the reason why i
stopped using my deskjet one day. empty cartridge, ok. but dry ink?
nope. i remember it was a bit of a mess with the drivers back then,
there were 3 or so, none supporting all of the features. what's
the situation nowadays?
702 [08:16:09] <rant> pretty much anything HP just works (tm)
cause they release linux software that makes it so
703 [08:16:31] <rant> HPLIP is included in debian, its an all in
one hp printer/scanner driver and toolkit
704 [08:17:03] <EdePopede> oh. nice. also color? not that i plan
to use it, that pseudo black is just horrible.
705 [08:17:12] <somiaj> It can be a pain to track down the right
.ppt (.ppd?) whatever file, but once you do that most things just
work.
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707 [08:17:44] <somiaj> sometimes the generic ones work just fine
(easy case) others you have to go get it from the manufacture which
can be a bit of a pain
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709 [08:17:57] <rant> I have 3 HP printers here and I do nothing
but open HPLIP toolbox, hit the green + icon and select the
connection method, usb, network, etc, and it auto detects everything
710 [08:18:00] <somiaj> (since they don't just give you the
.ppd file but often binaries and stuff with it)
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712 [08:18:31] <rant> I've probably used half a dozen or so
different hp printers with HPLIP and had no issues printing or
scanning
713 [08:18:34] <somiaj> Yea, with hp I have good luck, often
times the generic ones work too (what I often use over the hp ones)
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715 [08:18:56] <rant> now the faxing.. I'm not so sure that
works..
716 [08:19:03] <agris> hello, I'ved followed the
instructions exactly at
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717 [08:19:11] <agris> [....] Starting LXC network bridge:
:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/lxc-net: 1: /etc/default/lxc-net:
USE_LXC_BRIDGE: not found
718 [08:19:12] <rant> I tried faxing over wifi with hplip and I
dont think it went through
719 [08:19:24] <agris> as well as a bunch of other gibberish
720 [08:20:32] <somiaj> agris: are you using the bridge they call
lxcbr0?
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722 [08:20:52] <agris> somiaj, yes, I put lxcbr0 in there
723 [08:21:14] <somiaj> agris: I mean have you configured your
network (/etc/network/interfaces) and have the bridge up, you sould
see it in 'ip a'
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725 [08:21:46] <agris> yes, the bridge is up
726 [08:21:58] <somiaj> I also note that one of the examples
calls the bridge br0 not lxcbr0
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728 [08:22:18] <agris> isnt that for bridging to a physical port,
not using lxc-net
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731 [08:23:23] <somiaj> from my understanding, lxc-net needs a
bridge to bind too, so you need to setup a bridge
732 [08:23:41] <somiaj> I don't think it matters if you call
it lxcbr0 or br0, but you need to be consistant in the naming.
733 [08:24:16] <somiaj> but maybe I'm missunderstanding and
just went into the next section.
734 [08:24:18] <agris> somiaj, I need to setip lxcbr0 manually in
/etc/network/interfaces? I thought it was supposed to do that
automaticly
735 [08:24:39] <somiaj> yea, nevermind me, I didn't realize
I went into a second method in the wiki
736 [08:25:39] <somiaj> yea, if you are following the wiki, you
might want to next paste the error(s) into google, see if that helps
give you some clue
737 [08:26:03] <agris> somiaj, I already tried that
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739 [08:26:07] <somiaj> maybe someone with lxc expereince
(I've only used an actual bridge via libvirt/kvm) can help
better than I can. You could also look for an lxc channel which may
have more experience.
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743 [08:30:58] <somiaj> agris: hmm, found somewhere that you
might actually need to add some lines to /etc/network/interfaces.
Did you add the block about lxcbr0 to /etc/network/interfaces?
744 [08:31:52] <agris> no
745 [08:32:58] <agris> just the server's own static v4 and
v6 on eth0
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748 [08:33:33] <somiaj> So your goal is just to get up
theindependent bridge which uses masquerading?
749 [08:33:43] <somiaj> seems I keep getting other hits in google
750 [08:33:49] <agris> for right now yes
751 [08:33:59] <agris> then add public ipv6 later
752 [08:34:07] <agris> really? where
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755 [08:34:53] <SpacePenguin> agris: how did you install lxc?
756 [08:35:01] <somiaj> anyways, did you set up various things in
/etc/lxc/default.conf
757 [08:35:04] <agris> apt install lxc
758 [08:35:06] <somiaj>
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759 [08:35:29] <somiaj> it seems to suggest you need to set up
some lxc.network.type = veth, lxc.network.link = lxcbr0, etc
760 [08:35:37] <SpacePenguin> i would suggest you use the new LXD
instead
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762 [08:36:11] <somiaj> anyways best of luck, sounds like someone
here actually knows what they are talking about. (:
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764 [08:36:27] <agris> so in /etc/lxc/default i have type=veth,
link=lxcbr0, flags=up, and hwaddr-00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx
765 [08:36:41] <agris> SpacePenguin, LXD?
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767 [08:37:18] <SpacePenguin>
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768 [08:37:30] <SpacePenguin>
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770 [08:37:39] <SpacePenguin>
replaced-url
771 [08:37:48] <SpacePenguin>
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776 [08:38:28] <SpacePenguin>
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777 [08:38:58] <SpacePenguin> You should have enough info in
those links to get you going
778 [08:38:59] <agris> SpacePenguin, Debian doesn't support
LXD
779 [08:39:11] <SpacePenguin> install it using snap
780 [08:39:23] <agris>
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781 [08:39:34] <SpacePenguin> apt install snapd
782 [08:39:37] <SpacePenguin> then
783 [08:39:42] <SpacePenguin> snap install lxd
784 [08:39:51] <SpacePenguin> reboot
785 [08:40:05] <agris> Why do I need a daemon for a package
manager, and why would I install a second package manager atop of
APT?
786 [08:40:05] <SpacePenguin> then configure lxd with
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788 [08:40:13] <SpacePenguin> lxd init
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790 [08:41:04] <SpacePenguin> the guys behind lxd are the same
that made lxc
791 [08:41:25] <SpacePenguin> they recommend using the snap
package
792 [08:41:54] <agris> I"m sorry, I'm not interested in
running experimental or unsupported software
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794 [08:42:13] <SpacePenguin> it's stable software...
795 [08:42:19] <agris> I also have an existing LXC infrastructure
and containers I want to import into this new host
796 [08:42:38] <agris> maybe when Debian supports it
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798 [08:45:04] <agris> I also have a strong distrust of Conical
software
799 [08:45:20] <SpacePenguin> ah..
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801 [08:45:53] <SpacePenguin> it is free software so..
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803 [08:46:22] <agris> Since they started including spyware in
their software, and have been unable to produce a stable operating
system for a while new, constantly swapping components in and out.
sysv, upstart, systemd, xorg, wayland, gnome2, unity, gnome3
804 [08:46:53] <ayekat> it's also "upstream
packaged" - some people prefer distro maintainers/packagers
sitting between upstream and your machine :-)
805 [08:46:58] <agris> I'm really just trying to get LXC
working on stable
806 [08:47:31] <agris> if anything i'm probably going to
upgrade to FreeBSD jails and ZFS subvolumes in the future, but
that's not for a while
807 [08:47:37] <SpacePenguin> judge lxd by it's own merit,
but anyway I was just trying to help
808 [08:47:40] <SpacePenguin> gl
809 [08:47:48] <agris> thank you for your help SpacePenguin
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815 [08:51:37] <agris> I'm beginning to wonder if the
documentation may not be correct for debian stable
816 [08:52:16] <agris> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/lxc-net
seems to complain about every single entry in /etc/default/lxc-net
with " not found"
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820 [08:54:51] <ayekat> the information seems to be in line with
other information found around the web, though
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823 [08:55:15] <agris> could putting spaces before and after =
break it?
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826 [08:56:16] <agris> hmm
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828 [08:56:22] <agris> that may have been it
829 [08:56:38] <agris> the config file isn't space and tab
tolerant
830 [08:56:59] <ayekat> that's very likely (it looks like
shell syntax, after all) :-)
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832 [08:57:46] <agris> fooey, and least starting and stopping
lxc-net no longer spits out garbage, but containers still not
grabbing ips
833 [08:57:52] <agris> maybe a reboot
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839 [08:58:50] <agris> is that what's being used here? shell
scripts?
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845 [09:01:45] <agris> hmm
846 [09:01:46] <agris> ok
847 [09:01:49] <agris> so this is strange
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849 [09:02:31] <agris> so lxc-net is trying to start before
netfilter starts
850 [09:02:43] <agris> and therefor things break
851 [09:03:11] <agris> I can attach into a container, manually
run dhclient and thigns work
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858 [09:09:53] <altker128> agris: lxc networking can be a bit
tricky to setup
859 [09:10:02] <agris> yeah
860 [09:10:17] <altker128> Here's what I do
861 [09:10:22] <agris> I think it's more of a bug in the
init system though
862 [09:10:28] <altker128> 1. Edit /etc/default/lxc-net to have
863 [09:10:30] <altker128> USE_LXC_BRIDGE="true"
864 [09:10:45] <agris> altker128, go on
865 [09:10:50] <altker128> 2. Edit /etc/lxc/default.conf
866 [09:10:51] <altker128> lxc.network.type = veth
867 [09:10:53] <altker128> lxc.network.link = lxcbr0
868 [09:10:54] <altker128> lxc.network.flags = up
869 [09:10:56] <altker128> lxc.network.hwaddr = 00:16:3e:xx:xx:xx
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872 [09:11:41] <altker128> agris: Edit 3.
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/lxc-net ; comment out anything with
LXC_BRIDGE, net, IPV6, etc
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877 [09:18:32] <ozfalcon> How do I mount with public read write
access. It's always owned by root.....?
878 [09:20:09] <ozfalcon> (I'm tring to mount a zram disk
ext2 partitiion as general read write)
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883 [09:22:03] <blackflow> ozfalcon: umask=000 in mount/fstab
options, or just chmod after mounting
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886 [09:25:40] <ozfalcon> -o umask=000 gives me an error.
887 [09:26:13] <ozfalcon> is this correct? sudo mount -o
umask=000 /dev/zram0 /media/zram
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889 [09:26:30] <blackflow> ozfalcon: what error?
890 [09:26:44] <ozfalcon> mount: /media/zram: wrong fs type, bad
option, bad superblock on /dev/zram0, missing codepage or helper
program, or other error.
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892 [09:27:26] <blackflow> ozfalcon: oh my bad, yes, umask is not
a global option but fs specific.... you'll have to chmod after
mounting I suppose.
893 [09:29:53] <ozfalcon> ok that will do
894 [09:30:09] <ozfalcon> chmod 777 /media/zram
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897 [09:31:38] <ozfalcon> One more thing, Once I have mounted it
- It shows as "Volume" in my file manager. How do I label
the partition?
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900 [09:32:22] <blackflow> ozfalcon: you can label the
filesystem, with e2label for ext2
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902 [09:34:47] <ozfalcon> Doesn't want to display the label
name. It's just called "Volume" when I mount it.
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907 [09:35:21] <ozfalcon> Also tried label when creating the
filesystem and same problem.
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917 [09:41:44] <blackflow> ozfalcon: sounds like something
specific to the file manager you're using
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921 [09:47:11] <ozfalcon> Shows the same in Thunar & Nemo.
Strange
922 [09:48:35] <ozfalcon> e2label definatly shows
"zramdisk" as the label. But not the file managers.
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925 [09:52:19] <blackflow> ozfalcon: maybe the managers are
caching something. or if there's gvfs involved. try unmount,
destroy and recreate the block device and fs, label it _before_ you
first touch it with a file manager
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957 [10:19:43] <miskatonic> may systemd be avoided on buster?
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962 [10:28:20] <blackflow> miskatonic: apt install devuan
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1176 [13:45:41] <dmr> hello
1177 [13:46:09] <dmr> someone uses buster rc on a daily basis?
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1197 [14:02:28] <dmr> blackflow, any issues til now? anything that
is not working properly?
1198 [14:03:31] <blackflow> dmr: nope, none so far
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1200 [14:05:24] <dmr> blackflow, thanks
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1203 [14:06:50] <nevivurn> Hi, I'm trying to write something
that checks if the executing user has sudo privileges using sudo -v.
I'd also like to not prompt the user for a password in the case
they do have sudo privileges. Any recommendations?
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1209 [14:07:48] <nevivurn> I tried something like sudo -v
</dev/null, but it prompts the user all the same.
1210 [14:10:56] <blackflow> nevivurn: how about -n ?
1211 [14:11:25] <blackflow> then again keep in mind that
"sudo privilege" is not really a boolean (on/off) thing.
various rules can allow various modes of using sudo, for a user.
1212 [14:12:14] <nevivurn> Oh, I was messing around with -A and
SUDO_ASKPASS, but that seems much better thanks.
1213 [14:13:16] <nevivurn> Yeah, but it's mostly for
informational purposes when I log into systems just to remind me
whether I have root access on that particular server or not, so a
few false positives should be fine.
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1215 [14:17:03] <blackflow> "root access" is equally
vague, as you always have it.
1216 [14:17:22] <blackflow> perhaps you should test against
particular privileged operations you want to achieve?
1217 [14:19:49] <jezebel> fwiw, if you're in a root shell
(i.e. your EUID == 0), the bash prompt will show # instead of $ if
you have \$ in PS1
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1250 [14:48:38] <Haxxa> In Debian 10 I can't seem to add a
user with the same name as a group.
1251 [14:48:44] <Haxxa> root@Traccar:~# adduser traccar
1252 [14:48:46] <Haxxa> adduser: The group `traccar' already
exists.
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1254 [14:49:31] <JPT> useradd might be capable to do that
1255 [14:49:47] <JPT> adduser creates a group with the same name
for the new user
1256 [14:50:02] <JPT> (unless i mixed these two up again, in that
case it's the other way around)
1257 [14:50:04] <Haxxa> JPT ah I see
1258 [14:50:30] <Haxxa> JPT nah your right thanks
1259 [14:50:38] <Haxxa> should give better error msg imo
1260 [14:50:41] <JPT> You're welcome
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1342 [15:55:43] <nine_> hi
1343 [15:55:44] <nine_> ,
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1383 [16:25:37] <Muyfret> i want to change my /etc/login.defs to
have a more strict umask
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1385 [16:26:19] <Muyfret> i'd like to try 027. does this mean
i chmod 640
1386 [16:26:25] <Muyfret> and all will be fine?
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1389 [16:28:35] <Muyfret> im' not really a server. but i
dont' have multiple other user accounts
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1407 [16:38:56] <Muyfret> welp i chmodded my cups too
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1429 [16:49:31] <cybercrypto> debian buster is one step closer :-)
nice!
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1486 [17:25:10] <elm_> I have a problem with libreoffice: the
spellchecker does not work for en-gb
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1488 [17:25:25] <elm_> This even though I have installed
libreoffice-l10n-en-gb
1489 [17:26:37] <velix> What's the normal "sh" in
Debian? Is it dash?
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1491 [17:26:53] <elm_> no it should be bash
1492 [17:26:53] <velix> yes, it is
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1494 [17:27:01] <elm_> really?
1495 [17:27:02] <velix> elm_: man sh => dash
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1497 [17:27:13] <nkuttler> sh points to dash
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1499 [17:27:16] <nkuttler> !dash
1500 [17:27:16] <dpkg> dash (formerly Debian Almquist shell) is a
<POSIX> compliant shell, smaller than <bash> and offers
faster script execution (decreasing boot time). dash is the default
/bin/sh since the Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" release. To check
if your existing scripts will work with dash, use checkbashisms from
<devscripts> and see
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1501 [17:27:45] <velix> okay, now I need to figure out, how to do
cut -d $'\t' in Dash ;)
1502 [17:28:01] <annadane> i've gotten bash by default but
that's after installing standard system utilities, so...
1503 [17:28:09] <annadane> default shell, not default sh
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1507 [17:28:39] <nkuttler> velix: or just run your script with
bash..
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1511 [17:29:24] <velix> nkuttler: Actually, I want to be portable
to FreeBSD. Switching the script to bash would fix the problem for
sure.
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1514 [17:30:20] <Muyfret> how do i get all the packages i've
installed in one debian system and reinstall them but in another?
1515 [17:30:41] <BCMM> velix: cut isn't a shell built-in, at
least on dash and bash
1516 [17:30:52] <Voldenet> Muyfret: apt list –installed
1517 [17:30:54] <Voldenet> erm
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1520 [17:30:59] <Voldenet> apt list --installed
1521 [17:31:07] <nkuttler> BCMM: seems more about passing \t
1522 [17:31:13] <BCMM> oh right, sorry
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1525 [17:31:58] <BCMM> velix: also, bash isn't in the default
install of freebsd. a *lot* of users have installed it for the
comfort of people who are familiar with it, but it's not
mandatory
1526 [17:32:06] <nkuttler> velix: fwiw, cut -d\<tab> works
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1528 [17:32:58] <velix> nkuttler: bad for scripting... bash wants
"cut -d $'\t'"
1529 [17:33:09] <Muyfret> is worth upgrading the linux kernel away
from Linux 4.9.0-8-amd64?
1530 [17:33:25] <BCMM> but dash doesn't do very much much
beyond being posix-compliant, so a script written for dash generally
ought to just work the same on bsd's sh
1531 [17:33:32] <nkuttler> velix: works fine in bash too
1532 [17:33:47] <velix> nkuttler: wait, you mean "tab"
as real keypress?
1533 [17:33:49] <BCMM> ,v linux-image-amd64
1534 [17:33:50] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 --
jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u5;
stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7;
stretch-backports: 4.19+105~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+105; sid: 4.19+105
1535 [17:33:52] <nkuttler> velix: yes
1536 [17:33:59] <Voldenet> Muyfret: oh, and if you want to install
/exactly/ the same packages, but only those installed manually, then
`apt-mark showmanual` will do the job
1537 [17:34:00] <velix> nkuttler: nah, I don't want this in
scripts, sorrry. But thanks :D
1538 [17:34:01] <BCMM> Muyfret: if you don't have any
problems, just stick with the kernel Debian gives you
1539 [17:34:21] <Voldenet> there might be some differences if you
install stuff on different versions of repo
1540 [17:34:23] <nkuttler> velix: doesn't matter where it
runs.. it just works..
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1542 [17:34:31] <somiaj> Muyfret: Does all your hardware work with
the 4.9.0 kernel?
1543 [17:34:46] <BCMM> Muyfret: you can get a newer kernel from
backports if you want, and it's useful if, for example, your
graphics card isn't supported on the stable kernel
1544 [17:34:55] <velix> nkuttler: I can't even enter
<tab> via putty ;)
1545 [17:34:55] <somiaj> Muyfret: though you should update to the
4.9.0-9-amd64 kernel so you get all recent security fixes.
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1547 [17:35:09] <nkuttler> velix: get a better terminal
1548 [17:35:16] <Muyfret> oh my
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1550 [17:35:56] <somiaj> Muyfret: in general you want to stick
with the stock kernel in your debian release to ensure you get
security fixes, and provided you don't have hardware that needs
a newer kernel, there is often little reason to upgrade it (besides
keep up with the security patches on the 4.9 kernel)
1551 [17:36:02] <BCMM> Muyfret: but sticking with debian's
default kernel is basically the more supported option, so i'd
do that if everything is working
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1556 [17:39:21] <Muyfret> i think i mistakenly purged that 4.9.0.9
kernel
1557 [17:39:27] <Muyfret> how to add back?
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1559 [17:40:20] <somiaj> Muyfret: install the linux-image-amd64
metapackage, this will keep you on the current kernel
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1564 [17:43:04] <Muyfret> ok brb
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1566 [17:44:06] <velix> nkuttler: Also doesn't work: sh -c
"printf 'a\tb' | cut -s -d `echo -e '\x09'`
-f 2"
1567 [17:44:45] <nkuttler> velix: ask the channel
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1569 [17:45:01] <velix> nkuttler: dash? linux?
1570 [17:45:05] <velix> nkuttler: maybe #linux is better. Thanks
1571 [17:46:33] <somiaj> velix: what is your goal with this
script? Why not jsut use bash? #!/bin/bash at the top
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1573 [17:46:47] <velix> somiaj: Okay, let me start at the
beginning. Let me type.
1574 [17:47:39] <somiaj> There is no requirment you have to make
scripts compadabile with dash, just that on debian #!/bin/sh points
to dash
1575 [17:48:25] <velix> somiaj: A friend of mine is working on
FreeBSD. I don't know, which shell he's using and I cannot
ask him, since he's sleeping for about 12 hours. Rewriting the
script to bash isn't a problem and it would sove all problems.
But I want to make it portable, since I don't know, how many
shells FreeBSD comes with. At lest, Debian comes with two. So it
wanted to make it portable somehow, taht I don't have to care
about the shell. EVERY works, but cut with
1576 [17:48:25] <velix> delimiter tab. So switchting to Bash
isn't really needed.
1577 [17:48:48] <velix> s/(EVERY)\1THING/
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1580 [17:49:27] <annadane> i think freebsd uses dash by default
1581 [17:49:32] <annadane> or, no, sorry i don't remember
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1583 [17:49:58] <velix> I think, the only portable solution is
nkuttlers <tab> keypress.
1584 [17:50:26] <somiaj> I think freebsd usually has bash
installed, but csh or zsh I think are quite common and maybe zsh is
default
1585 [17:50:30] <somiaj> you could ask #freebsd on that.
1586 [17:50:55] <somiaj> But if you aren't sure what shells,
then yes, making it dash compadiable should be close enough, in
general you should make it POSIX compadable
1587 [17:51:21] <velix> somiaj: Really, I always would to bash.
Actually, I'm always doing bash ;)
1588 [17:51:32] <velix> somiaj: but only this time, I want to go
portable. Okay, let me ask in #freebsd
1589 [17:52:05] <somiaj> I'm not positive on the freebsd
front, but it seems many freebsd users I know are not using bash
1590 [17:52:32] <somiaj> though I think both zsh and csh are more
feature rich than dash, but portability POSIX is what you want to
aim for, since all shells *should* support that standard
1591 [17:53:02] <somiaj> debian uses dash for the system because
it is just must faster and a lot of bash features are not needed for
scripts run in non-interactive shells
1592 [17:53:19] <velix> uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh wait
1593 [17:53:28] <velix> seems like tab is default ;)
1594 [17:53:59] <velix> YES :D
1595 [17:54:11] <velix> So I can make it portable just be leaving
out the delimiter :D
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1597 [17:55:33] <annadane> "Linux® users are often
surprised to find that Bash is not the default shell in FreeBSD. In
fact, Bash is not included in the default installation. Instead,
FreeBSD uses tcsh(1) as the default root shell, and the Bourne
shell-compatible sh(1) as the default user shell."
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1603 [17:57:50] <Habbie> annadane, freebsd's sh and
debian's dash are pretty similar though
1604 [17:58:02] <han-solo> bash should be everywhere
1605 [17:58:05] <somiaj> ahh it is tcsh, yea I was fairly sure it
wasn't bash, but forgot what it was
1606 [17:58:14] <Habbie> han-solo, well, it's not :)
1607 [17:58:15] <somiaj> many like bash, but many despise it
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1609 [17:58:21] <han-solo> Habbie: Yeah, :)
1610 [17:58:26] <Habbie> for portable shell scripting i prefer
perl or python
1611 [17:58:35] <Habbie> sed and awk are hard to use portably too
1612 [17:59:21] <han-solo> in fact, bash and python should be
preinstalled on all linux distributions :)
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1614 [18:00:42] <somiaj> but freebsd is not linux, tough bash has
been and is farily standard in the linux world. Those who don't
use it (which I know many) have to install/change their default
shell
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1622 [18:07:14] <Habbie> han-solo, yet there are many that
don't even do that
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1625 [18:09:29] <velix> Oh no... he's also using cut -d
'|' :(
1626 [18:09:43] <velix> That's why I like monopols.
1627 [18:09:48] <velix> bash for all!
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1633 [18:13:17] <nkuttler> velix: it's the same... \|
1634 [18:13:50] <velix> nkuttler: It doesn't need escaping,
just tried on bash and dash. -d '|' works.
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1647 [18:24:29] <Henry151> hi folks
1648 [18:24:59] <Henry151> i'm trying to install hplip-3.19.6
to get support for a printer not supported by 3.16.11
1649 [18:25:37] <Henry151> i'm getting A required dependency
'pyqt4-dbus (PyQt 4 DBus - DBus Support for PyQt4)' is
still missing -- even though I have already installed python-qt4 and
python-qt4-dbus
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1651 [18:26:39] <jmcnaught> ,v hplip
1652 [18:26:40] <judd> Package: hplip on amd64 -- jessie:
3.14.6-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; stretch-backports:
3.18.12+dfsg0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2; sid:
3.18.12+dfsg0-2; experimental: 3.19.1+dfsg0-1
1653 [18:27:04] <jmcnaught> Henry151: did you try
3.18.12+dfsg0-2~bpo9+1 from stretch-backports?
1654 [18:27:15] <somiaj> Henry151: where did you get this 3.19.6
package?
1655 [18:27:32] <Henry151> jmcnaught: no somiaj: from the
sourceforge page for hplip
1656 [18:27:57] <somiaj> so you are trying to build it from
source?
1657 [18:28:21] <Henry151> i downloaded the tar.gz file and
extracted it somewhere and ran the "hplip-install" file
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1659 [18:29:14] <somiaj> try doing 'apt build-dep hplip'
to get all the build dependencies, that is probably what you are
missing
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1661 [18:30:02] <Henry151> thanks somiaj
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1664 [18:31:34] <Primer> jmcnaught's suggestion is better
1665 [18:31:44] <Henry151> that "apt build-dep" command
is cool, never seen it before.. unfortunately i am still getting the
same error on running hplip-install ... maybe I should try
jmcnaught's suggestion
1666 [18:32:03] <Henry151> can somebody remind me how i do that?
enable stretch-backports in my sources.list somehow, right?
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1668 [18:32:09] <c4pt>
replaced-url
1669 [18:32:12] <Primer> Henry151: exactly that
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1671 [18:32:59] <Henry151> a line like
"http:/ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib
non-free" or so?
1672 [18:33:25] <Henry151> i haven't really installed any
backports before except once a long time ago
1673 [18:33:26] <Primer> Henry151: yes, take the lines you already
have for stretch, copy then, and add -backports to stretch (pretty
much)
1674 [18:33:44] <LtL> Henry151: its very easy,
replaced-url
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1676 [18:34:03] <Henry151> ok. Then i have to run a different apt
install command with a .... -T ? to tell it to pull the backport
version, right? oh thanks LtL i'll just read there.
1677 [18:34:16] <Primer> no, just apt update and apt install hplip
1678 [18:34:21] <Primer> you should get the one from backports
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1680 [18:34:23] <Henry151> oh great, easy
1681 [18:34:25] <Henry151> thank you
1682 [18:34:43] <LtL> Henry151: yes you need to specify -t
stretch-backports for any package to backports
1683 [18:35:21] <somiaj> Primer: though they said 4.18 won't
support it
1684 [18:35:41] <somiaj> oh wait, they said they haven't
tried, not that it won't support it
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1687 [18:36:34] <Primer> hrmm, I don't recall having to
specify -t to isntall packages from backports, once the repo was
added to sources
1688 [18:36:46] <somiaj> you have to
1689 [18:37:06] <LtL> Primer: you absolutely must specify it
1690 [18:37:15] <somiaj> otherwise one would upgrade to
stretch-backports packages automatically with apt upgrade, which
would cause all sorts of problems. One should only install packages
from backports they explicity specificy
1691 [18:37:30] <Henry151> got it
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1695 [18:39:05] <Henry151> thanks guys i am now seeing my printer
:) you rock
1696 [18:39:09] <LtL> example using apt or apt-get, apt-get -t
stretch-backports install "package"
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1700 [18:39:29] <Primer> Ok, I see now. I followed a guide for zfs
root which had me pin the zfs pacakges to backports before
installing
1701 [18:39:32] <somiaj> Henry151: if you run into cases where you
need newer softare, looking in stretch-backports is nice, but stick
to the offical stretch packages if at all possible.
1702 [18:39:50] <Primer> So when it came time to install them, -t
was not used
1703 [18:39:53] <somiaj> Primer: that shouldn't be needed,
once it is installed, it will autmoatically get upgrades from
stretch-backports
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1705 [18:40:06] <Primer> somiaj: No, just saying this is the
source of my confusion
1706 [18:40:23] <somiaj> yea, I was just poitning out for future
use, that extra step of pinning is unneeded
1707 [18:41:34] <Primer> yeah, good to know
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1709 [18:42:31] <LtL> /me thinks over use of backports is probably
a leading cause of dist-upgrade failures, keep it simple $
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1711 [18:43:14] <somiaj> It has, but often it is due to other
things besides just backports, though backports are not nicely
tested for the upgrade path
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1714 [18:45:36] <Primer> I'm trying to get my wifi to resume
from suspend. rfkill list doesn't even show it on resume. I
have to hit the airplane button twice to get it back. In windows
this works fine. Anyone have any thoughts about this?
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1717 [18:47:34] <Primer> I've tried using the -34 firmware
(the default beint -38), as well as -41 (this flat out doesn't
work). I know there are newer firmware files, but these require
newer drivers. I'm wondering if anyone is maintaining a
separate driver for intel wifi, like a repo with one
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1719 [18:48:01] <somiaj> sometimes cerntain wifi cards are
problemmatic, have you checked dmesg?
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1721 [18:48:07] <Primer> all day
1722 [18:48:31] <Henry151> hmm... now that i've succeeded in
updating my hplip version, "lpinfo -m" doesn't seem
to show the ppd file for my scanjet 7500 anymore, where it did with
the old version
1723 [18:48:32] <Primer> If I force remove the module and
re-insert it, it'll work
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1725 [18:48:38] <Primer> but that seems awefully ghetto
1726 [18:48:44] <somiaj> It use to be (though unsure what is
needed now) is you could have your system bring down the wifi,
remove the module, before the susupend, then reload the module and
bring the wifi backup after the suspend if the hardware is having
trouble with resume.
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1730 [18:49:19] <LtL> Primer: a 'systemctl restart
networking.service' may work, albeit not 'fixing'
anything.
1731 [18:49:22] <somiaj> there use to be a file you could just
list the modules youw anted this done with, and the suspend/resume
would do it automatically. with pm-utils it was fairly straight
forward, unsure where such a file is now though.
1732 [18:49:29] <Primer> LtL: it doesn't
1733 [18:49:47] <somiaj> (though restarting the networking.service
is kinda strange), ifup/down would be better to use
1734 [18:49:50] <Primer> somiaj: ahh this is something I've
not explored. Very useful. Thanks!
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1746 [18:52:43] * nicholscpg1 S3xyL1nux ?
1747 [18:52:58] * nicholscpg1 oky great ;P
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1752 [18:55:20] <somiaj> Primer:
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1754 [18:55:38] <Primer> somiaj: yup, already in place, testing
now
1755 [18:55:49] <somiaj> seems you can create a unitfile that
works with the sleep.target, so it is run with sleep and then stoped
with resume, this way you can just automatically remove/add module
as part of the suspend.
1756 [18:55:58] <Primer> I actually was pursuing hibernation,
which I just tested...and worked...totally surprised!
1757 [18:56:15] <dstaring> I have a Raspberry Pi with Raspbian.
It's apparently identical to Debian. What is the correct way to
do either of these things? 1. Enable auto-maintain mode of the
machine, so that I never have to think about or deal with security
patching? 2. Check if there are any security updates to anything
installed (or the OS itself)?
1758 [18:56:16] <somiaj> I just cna't keep up with all the
new places to do things
1759 [18:56:20] <somiaj> !raspbian
1760 [18:56:20] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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1761 [18:56:25] <somiaj> dstaring: ^^ we dont' support
raspbian here
1762 [18:57:01] <dstaring> somiaj: Not even when it's
identical to Debian?
1763 [18:57:08] <somiaj> dstaring: it is not identicial to debian
1764 [18:57:14] <somiaj> !based on debian
1765 [18:57:14] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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1766 [18:57:22] <dstaring> Sigh... WHY can't two people EVER
say the same thing? It's always conflicting answers.
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1768 [18:57:54] <dstaring> Debian itself doesn't run on RPIs,
I guess?
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1770 [18:58:04] <somiaj> raspbian makes changes to debian (at the
core level) to make it run on the pi, so you should use their
support community
1771 [18:58:23] <somiaj> It runs on some, but only certain ones
and it takes a bit more work to install
1772 [18:58:51] <somiaj> raspbian patches the kernel and does
things to make debian run on the pi, as such they are changing
things, we just have a standard policy that we are a debian support
community
1773 [18:59:27] <somiaj> (you might try ##linux, though it would
be nice if there was a debian-based-linux generic support channel,
no one wants to really deal with all the different based on debian
distros and debug things on them)
1774 [18:59:41] <dstaring> It's hopeless to get sensible
replies there.
1775 [18:59:46] <dstaring> They don't read anything I type.
1776 [18:59:51] <dstaring> They are like AI robots.
1777 [18:59:52] <somiaj> I think you need the more expensive rpi
that supports armv7 or something liek that to install the debian arm
port on.
1778 [19:00:02] <dstaring> My RPI is first-generation.
1779 [19:00:17] <somiaj> yea, same with mine, can't run
debian on it, I need the raspbian custom patches
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1789 [19:04:15] <somiaj> dstaring: anyways look at
unattended-upgrades (use google and read the docs for support if
raspbian is being quiet), you may also find that searching the
forums or mailing lists maybe better ways for support with some
communities.
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1796 [19:08:15] <Habbie> debian in fact runs on all pis, but
it's very slow on the first generation
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1798 [19:08:34] <Habbie> it does involve some kernel work, yes -
for example, taking the kernel from raspbian
1799 [19:09:26] <Habbie> somiaj, can you make changes in dpkg?
#raspberrypi is a better support channel for raspbian
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1802 [19:11:25] <somiaj> Habbie: and raspberrypi supports
raspbian? Well I don't consider not using a debian stock kernel
working on debian, but yea, that is the main thing that one needs to
change in my experience.
1803 [19:11:32] <somiaj> #raspberrypi I mean
1804 [19:11:42] <Habbie> yes, #raspberrypi gets a lot of raspbian
questions
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1806 [19:11:45] <Henry151> so, is hplip 3.18.12 newer than hplip
3.18.9 ? seems obvious that 12 is bigger than 9 and therefore
newer... but i've been wrong before
1807 [19:11:49] <Habbie> and in general appears to be more
responsive than #raspbian
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1809 [19:12:17] <Habbie> in fact, #raspberrypi is where i've
seen dstaring ask questions over the last week
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1811 [19:12:32] <somiaj> dpkg: raspbian =~ s/#raspbian/#raspbian
(or #raspberrypi)/
1812 [19:12:33] <dpkg> somiaj: OK
1813 [19:12:36] <somiaj> !raspbian
1814 [19:12:36] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support.
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1815 [19:12:40] <Habbie> Henry151, .12 is newer according to
debian numbering rules
1816 [19:12:45] <Habbie> somiaj, thanks
1817 [19:12:58] <Habbie> the site appears to support https now
1818 [19:13:00] <Habbie> while you're at it :)
1819 [19:13:04] <Henry151>
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1821 [19:13:19] <somiaj> dpkg: raspbian =~ s/http:/https/
1822 [19:13:20] <dpkg> OK, somiaj
1823 [19:13:22] <Habbie> ta
1824 [19:13:29] <somiaj> dpkg: raspbian =~ s/https/https:/
1825 [19:13:30] <dpkg> somiaj: OK
1826 [19:13:31] <Henry151> i've tried a number of different
approaches here, hp-setup seems to have the same list of models as
the cups admin page
1827 [19:13:35] <somiaj> !raspbian
1828 [19:13:35] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support.
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1829 [19:14:36] <Henry151> if i ever get a raspberry pi i'm
going to install regular debian on it instead of raspbian, just so i
can get support from this awesome channel :P
1830 [19:14:52] <somiaj> Habbie: Though it is probably best we
verify with an op of #raspberrypi that we redirect raspbian users
there, since i'm unsure if it is an offical raspbian support
channel or not.
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1832 [19:15:00] <Habbie> somiaj, i am an on in #raspberrypi
1833 [19:15:03] <Habbie> oops
1834 [19:15:05] <Habbie> somiaj, i am an op in #raspberrypi
1835 [19:15:09] <Habbie> somiaj, you can check that with chanserv
1836 [19:15:14] <somiaj> ahh well in that case, (:
1837 [19:15:17] <Habbie> :)
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1841 [19:18:11] <Primer> Sigh, so this is still the official
"fix" for this issue:
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1842 [19:18:17] <kreyren> seems that blender is broken in debian
buster
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1843 [19:18:25] <Primer> Windows can do this, so Linux should be
able to do so as well
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1845 [19:18:46] <Primer> kreyren: apt update
1846 [19:18:56] * austendlu7 passes austendlu7 a cold HEIN✩EKEN to #mirc
1847 [19:19:10] <somiaj> Primer: it might be some issue with the
acpi standards in which are not often followed and windows has
drivers provided by the manfuactor around this. Also double check
your firmware settings, and see what modes/toggles you have for acpi
(sometimes there is a non-windows os option)
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1849 [19:19:21] <kreyren> Primer, lol.. seems that my crobjob to
update repos hugged up ty
1850 [19:19:35] <Primer> kreyren: np
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1852 [19:19:58] <somiaj> austendlu7: please turn off that emote
here
1853 [19:20:03] <Primer> somiaj: yes, everything I'm
experiencing points to ACPI. Where are said firmware settings?
1854 [19:20:18] <somiaj> Primer: traditionally aclled the bios, or
what you hit f2 or something at boot to enter setup
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1857 [19:20:26] <Primer> I also have an issue with my
touchpad...also attributed to ACPI
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1861 [19:20:45] <Primer> somiaj: sigh, I was hoping that's
was not what you meant
1862 [19:20:51] <kreyren> Primer, afaik if it's ACPI issue
there is not really much that linux can do assuming it beeing BIOS
issue?
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1864 [19:21:19] <Primer> but some actual firmware settings in
debian, i.e. make _this_ file load, not this other one...my
/lib/firmmware has 3 files for iwlwifi, yet only one is ever used
1865 [19:21:47] <Primer> kreyren: well, one would also assume that
if it works in windows, that whatever is happening is being handled
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1867 [19:22:08] <Primer> And that working in Linux would be just a
matter of accounting for the same thing
1868 [19:22:12] <somiaj> it is more likely the mobos
firmware/bios. acpi is another standard that is rarely followed
fully, and manufactures just make software for windows to make it
work
1869 [19:22:16] <kreyren> Primer, if it works in windows it's
because your bios is manufactured to work only on windows.. i have
simmilar issues on my system
1870 [19:22:26] <kreyren> i'm trying to resolve it by using
coreboot/libreboot atm
1871 [19:22:42] <somiaj> yea, often times manufactures don't
make 'fixes' and submit them to the linux kernel to work
around their buggy hardware
1872 [19:23:02] <Primer> kreyren: What problems, if I may ask?
here it's touchpad stops working after a while, comes back some
times, and wifi doesn't work on resume
1873 [19:23:04] <somiaj> but windows, the standard drivers include
all of these fixes.
1874 [19:23:22] <Primer> msi gs65 laptop
1875 [19:23:23] <rant> Primer:
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1876 [19:23:24] <kreyren> not really.. my BIOS is deprecated in
2013 and has issues even on windows.. Asus fuc* you
1877 [19:23:27] <somiaj> Primer: I would first double check acpi
configuration options, sometimes just toggling these can help linux
work.
1878 [19:24:04] <somiaj> basically you disable all the special
windows only things that conflict with linux, and this helps
somethings
1879 [19:24:12] <Primer> rant: yup, mine points to -38, but
I've forced -34 by replacing the file in /lib/firmware. The
driver loaded it, but the problem persisted.
1880 [19:24:41] <kreyren> Primer, did you check FOSS alternatives
to your BIOS?
1881 [19:24:57] <rant> Primer: my point is, the driver covers 764
different pieces of hardware and has over 30 different firmwares
1882 [19:25:15] <somiaj> the kernel just tries to pick the best
one
1883 [19:25:16] <kreyren> based on coreboot's source it seems
to be easyish to interpret depending on SuperIO
1884 [19:25:29] <Primer> somiaj: I have this in my boot cmdline:
acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2009"
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1886 [19:25:52] <somiaj> maybe changing that can help too,
I'm unsure on what those acpi_ options doo
1887 [19:26:01] <Primer> kreyren: I only started looking into it
today. Not too encouraging.
1888 [19:26:29] <Primer> kreyren: unless you could point me to
something helpful?
1889 [19:26:31] <somiaj> aslo it doesn't sound like a iwlwifi
firmware issue, it sounds like a bios/firmware/acpi issue which is
requing you hit the airplane mode button (this talks to the firmware
not the os) to get it back
1890 [19:26:32] <kreyren> Primer, i would suggest you to check
coreboot most of it's code can be used to provide alternative
bios.
1891 [19:27:02] <kreyren> Primer,
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1892 [19:27:07] <somiaj> though be careful, my understanding is
coreboot doesn't support a lot of hardware, though maybe it
changes, or I'm thinking of libreboot which only works on a
small subset of laptops.
1893 [19:27:12] <Primer> somiaj: I agree. The fact that there
exists newer firmware for this driver leads me to believe there is
an out-of-tree package out there somewhere I can try
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1895 [19:27:39] <Primer> But I've yet to find it.
Intel's site has 'drivers', but they seem to be old
1896 [19:27:44] <somiaj> Primer: it is your mobos firmware that
seems to be the problem. Are you running the current firmware as
provided by your manufacture?
1897 [19:27:55] <Primer> Plus, this is the "killer"
version of their hardware...
1898 [19:27:57] <kreyren> Primer, also make sure that you have
intel-microcode package if it's intel system it has some
compatibility tweaks for ACPI
1899 [19:27:57] <somiaj> I don't think userland firmware is
going ot help here in any way
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1901 [19:28:13] <Primer> somiaj: yeah, latest BIOS, dated like 1
month ago even
1902 [19:28:13] <kreyren> simmilar for AMD but i didn't test
them
1903 [19:28:14] <somiaj> (though that is going to be cpu not mobo)
1904 [19:28:22] <somiaj> but still recommended
1905 [19:28:41] <kreyren> Primer, if BIOS is beeing maintained you
can possibly ask the manifacturer to fix these issues
1906 [19:29:05] <Primer> hahaha that'd imply that I
understand the issues
1907 [19:29:16] <Primer> I just know it's broken and want it
fixed
1908 [19:29:57] <Primer> I remember having a wifi card that
wasn't supported in the kernel tree, so I had to download an
out of tree driver, and make it
1909 [19:30:06] <Primer> Basicallty dkms, but manual
1910 [19:30:30] <somiaj> Yea, but here it isn't that the wifi
card isn't supported, it is that it puts it into some deep
sleep as part of the suspend
1911 [19:30:30] <kreyren> some manufacturers are linux friendly
and willing to fix these issues like dell from what i was told
1912 [19:30:33] <kreyren> give it a try
1913 [19:30:56] <somiaj> and you have to manually tell the
firmware to bring it back (hitting the airplane mode button, which
goes directly to the mobos firmware, and not the os), so it
isn't the os not bring it back, its the mobos firwmare
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1915 [19:31:30] <Primer> somiaj: I'm going on the fact that
newer firmware exists for this card, and the driver needs to support
said updated firmware. I presume the driver that does with the -43
firmware (which I've seen) exists.
1916 [19:31:33] <somiaj> which is quite common these days, often
those fn+special buttons are intruptied by the firmware on the
machine, not the os
1917 [19:31:59] <Primer> that makes no sense in the context that
it works on windows
1918 [19:32:16] <Primer> I'm not hitting any buttons there.
It just comes back on when I lift the lid
1919 [19:32:20] <somiaj> Primer: and you have the current firmware
and kernel from stretch-backports -- again I don't think it has
anything to do with the wifi card/firmware. And the reason it
isn't working in linux, is linux doesn't send the correct
wake signal tot he firmware for it to bring the wifi out of sleep
1920 [19:32:28] <Primer> somiaj: no, I'm on testing
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1922 [19:32:55] <somiaj> again, manufactures go though lots of
extra work to ensure things work on windows, this doesn't
always carry over to working on linux, unless users report problems.
1923 [19:33:11] <somiaj> but still go look at the firmware
settings in your machiens setup, see if there are things you can
toggle.
1924 [19:33:21] <Primer> There's really not much to see there
1925 [19:33:30] <Primer> Unless you can think of something
specific
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1927 [19:34:10] <somiaj> it totally depends on the firmware and
what is avaialbe, The other options is see if there are various
other acpi_foo options you can send the kernel that could help acpi
work better with your laptop.
1928 [19:34:30] <Primer> I don't profess to know how this
crap works, but I'd imagine an updated driver with updated
firmware might just do the things you're talking about, i.e.
talk to the mobo firmware properly
1929 [19:34:44] <Primer> Which is why I want to pursue loading an
updated driver + firmware
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1931 [19:35:18] <Primer> somiaj: presumably, the options I pasted
to you earlier are exactly that. I've seen no other combination
of acpi options provided to address this issue
1932 [19:35:26] <somiaj> I don't think it is the wifi driver,
I think it is the kernel resume from hibernate causing the issue,
hence looking at acpi_foo options vs the intel iwlwifi firmawre. The
card is working just fine, the mobo is just not bring it back up
after supsend until you manually tell it to.
1933 [19:35:43] <somiaj> there are more such options, you may have
to look into other options
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1936 [19:36:10] <Primer> I realize there are more options. I think
that people would have figured this out by now and reported options
that work, but I'll keep looking. thanks
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1938 [19:36:44] <somiaj> each laptop/mobo is different, because
acpi implications are often buggy
1939 [19:36:44] <Primer> this particular model is the 2019 model
though, i9, 9880 CPU, nvidia 2070, quite modern
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1941 [19:36:58] <somiaj> yea, might be once the newer 5.x kernels
come in the problem gets fixed too
1942 [19:37:32] <Primer> the touchpad issue is actually my main
issue, but I perceive that as harder to fix, so I'm leaving
that for last
1943 [19:37:51] <Primer> There libinput-debug simply stops
reporting gestures
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1948 [19:38:02] <Primer> then magically starts out of the
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2054 [20:55:03] <Harm133> Hi guys, I'm trying to work with a
timed systemd service but am getting unexpected behavior. I want a
script to run every 10 seconds but its running at seemingly 10 - 20
seconds. Pastebin of service/timer files and script :
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2055 [20:56:34] <Habbie> AccuracySec=
2056 [20:56:35] <Habbie> Specify the accuracy the timer shall
elapse with. Defaults to 1min.
2057 [20:56:37] <Habbie>
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2060 [20:59:04] <Harm133> Habbie That seems to be it :) ! Tyvm!
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2062 [21:02:39] <Habbie> Harm133, np!
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2083 [21:28:24] <Suzanita98> Hello. I am going to start my Live
show in a few minutes. I have 2 free vip invitations left (normally
$14.99/30 minutes). Enter now if you are interested and write in the
chat "Free Invite" --->
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2084 [21:28:25] <Suzanita98> Hello. I am going to start my Live
show in a few minutes. I have 2 free vip invitations left (normally
$14.99/30 minutes). Enter now if you are interested and write in the
chat "Free Invite" --->
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2126 [21:56:18] <trackanddirt> At this point for those of you
running NVMe M.2s, do you RAID1 boot drives anymore?
2127 [21:56:37] <Habbie> trackanddirt, what does one have to do
with the other?
2128 [21:56:55] <trackanddirt> Failure rates
2129 [21:57:01] <Habbie> right
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2133 [21:57:51] <trackanddirt> Is that not valid?
2134 [21:58:30] <trackanddirt> If it a non-critical, why bother at
this point?
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2137 [21:59:49] <johnjay> true or false: space/del behave the same
in the info reader program as PageUp/PageDown
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2164 [22:24:23] <HelloShitty> Hello
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2172 [22:27:22] <HelloShitty> Is it possible to see an HDD UUID
that is shared via Samba server in my home wireless network?
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2181 [22:29:51] <m4ch1n3znc> HelloShitty, im not familiar with
samba but i would guess folders or filesystems are shared and not
physical device
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2183 [22:30:35] <HelloShitty> that means it cannot have an UUID?
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2187 [22:32:20] <OerHeks> all you find in your logs about smb and
UUID, is your administration, not send to or used on the internet
2188 [22:33:15] <HelloShitty> OerHeks: who said I'm going to
send anything over the internet?
2189 [22:33:21] <HelloShitty> I'm just making a question
2190 [22:34:06] <HelloShitty> Just for you to know, I'm just
sharing an external device over my home wireless netwoek
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2200 [22:45:58] <OerHeks> same answer, no?
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2254 [23:25:12] <wondiws> how do I rebuild /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2255 [23:25:13] <wondiws> ?
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2258 [23:26:18] <humpled> usually with sudo update-grub, why what
have you done with it?
2259 [23:27:03] <wondiws> humpled, changed ext2 to ext4
2260 [23:27:11] <wondiws> and thereby the id has changed as well
2261 [23:28:03] <humpled> okayy, didn't know that was
possible :þ
2262 [23:28:12] <humpled> will you be changing /etc/fstab too?
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2264 [23:28:21] <wondiws> humpled, ofcourse
2265 [23:28:39] <wondiws> humpled, it still boots, altough I get
an error because of the ID, but maybe that is fixed now
2266 [23:28:47] <humpled> gl
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2270 [23:32:20] <Tom-_> i liked his nickname
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2288 [23:48:38] <wondiws> when I do update-grub, grub is installed
to the MBR, how can I install it in the boot record of partition
/dev/sda2?
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