• 0[00:00:04] <trek00> yurakeshi: host is using the same nvidia device?
• 1[00:00:23] <trek00> yurakeshi: or better, nvidia module is loaded on host?
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• 3[00:01:22] <trek00> raidghost: it depends, are you using ldap?
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• 8[00:02:43] <raidghost> trek00: running freedombox thingy
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• 11[00:03:00] <raidghost> so not sure if the freedombox thingy uses ldap
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• 13[00:03:49] <yurakeshi> trek00, didn't try switching the passed device, gonna try it, ty. Host is using for now, but I don't want it to anymore. I'm thinking about uninstalling all nvidia drivers from host, could it make my life easier?
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• 17[00:05:12] <trek00> raidghost: i think you could safely avoid ldap questions thus, but keep a note about the package is actually asking this question, may be you need to reconfigure at a later point
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• 20[00:06:17] <trek00> yurakeshi: i think you can't pass a device to guest if it is already in use on host, you could try to unload nvidia modules and try again
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• 27[00:08:41] <yurakeshi> trek00, I tried blacklisting all nvidia modules, but my problem now it's not even passing the device to the guest. Only setting up the vfio-pci ids already gives me a black screen on host. Last time I tried setting up a KVM, even if vfio didn't claimed the device, I could boot host normally
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• 33[00:10:12] <trek00> yurakeshi: i'm not using vfio, but in theory setting the vfio ids will tell vfio module to take on this device, conflicting with nvidia drivers
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• 35[00:10:58] <yurakeshi> uhmm, I see the point, makes sense
• 36[00:11:06] <trek00> yurakeshi: you can modprobe -r nvidiamodulename and then modprobe vfio with pci ids
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• 41[00:11:55] <yurakeshi> modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia_drm is in use
• 42[00:12:16] <yurakeshi> before uninstalling, I'm gonna try blacklist it all again and try it one more time
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• 44[00:13:01] <trek00> yurakeshi: lspci -k is your friend here
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• 48[00:13:26] <trek00> yurakeshi: it tell you what module is actually using this device (nvidia or vdio)
• 49[00:13:39] <yurakeshi> trek00, it's nvidia, that I checked
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• 52[00:14:24] <trek00> yurakeshi: you'll check again after blacklisting, to know if it was fine :)
• 53[00:14:37] <Agafnd> i'm trying to figure out if i should file a bugreport or not
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• 55[00:14:49] <yurakeshi> trek00, yeap, but only after boot, right?
• 56[00:14:50] <trek00> Agafnd: about what software and what issue?
• 57[00:15:11] <trek00> yurakeshi: yes
• 58[00:15:23] <Agafnd> cat; zenity --text-info --editable; cat # trek00, first cat works fine, after zenity, the other cat says "cat: -: Resource temporarily unavailable"
• 59[00:15:38] <Agafnd> restart bash, cat works fine again
• 60[00:16:13] <yurakeshi> trek00, I reboot so much with black screen, that's why I wanted the safe img backup lol, at least now I don't have to fix the boot with an usb live =P
• 61[00:16:35] <trek00> yurakeshi: ;)
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• 63[00:16:54] <yurakeshi> trek00, if I just blacklist nvidia and don't setup vfio-ids, should the intel GPU come up?
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• 65[00:17:07] <yurakeshi> is it a valid middle test?
• 66[00:17:23] <trek00> Agafnd: i haven't zenity installed, it seems it closes standard input, as the second cat says
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• 69[00:17:48] <Agafnd> trek00: oddly, cat /dev/stdin still works
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• 71[00:18:12] <trek00> yurakeshi: yes, if intel gpu is not blacklisted
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• 76[00:19:09] <trek00> Agafnd: what you mean reastart bash? close the terminal? or exit a subshell?
• 77[00:19:44] <yurakeshi> boooooot, here I go again!
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• 79[00:20:14] <Agafnd> trek00: seems like any new bash process will fix it
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• 81[00:21:29] <trek00> Agafnd: can you try this? cat; sh -c 'zenity --text-info --editable'; cat
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• 86[00:22:13] <Agafnd> trek00: still gives resource temporarily unavailable
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• 88[00:23:37] <raidghost> trek00: seems like i have to reinstall debian with latest and install the freedombox again
• 89[00:23:38] <trek00> Agafnd: last try: zenity --text-info --editable; ls -l /proc/self/fd
• 90[00:23:45] <raidghost> it went to hell
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• 92[00:24:09] <trek00> raidghost: there are error messages?
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• 95[00:24:39] <raidghost> trek00: no errors.
• 96[00:25:00] <trek00> raidghost: why to reinstall then?
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• 101[00:25:57] <raidghost> trek00: I dont have time for troubleshoot. Since at my parents house right now.
• 102[00:26:11] <raidghost> Gonna travel back to my apartment in some days.
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• 107[00:26:58] <Agafnd> trek00: replaced-url
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• 112[00:28:30] <trek00> Agafnd: it seems correct, i don't know what is the issue and don't have zenity installed, but i think you could open a bug report for this, it's not really what is excepted
• 113[00:28:48] <Agafnd> okay thanks
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• 115[00:29:51] <trek00> Agafnd: another try if you don't mind: zenity --text-info --editable </dev/null >/dev/null; cat
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• 118[00:30:37] <Agafnd> oh, well that...works?
• 119[00:30:47] <Agafnd> but kinda defeats the purpose of that command
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• 121[00:30:53] <trek00> Agafnd: please include that to the bug report too
• 122[00:30:56] <Agafnd> which is supposed to print to stdout
• 123[00:31:02] <Agafnd> ah okay
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• 127[00:32:21] <trek00> Agafnd: may be useful too, to understand if is a problem with standard input or output; you could run this command omitting first </dev/null and then >/dev/null (first is stdin, the other stdout)
• 128[00:33:43] <Agafnd> hm </dev/null works but >/dev/null does not
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• 132[00:34:13] <trek00> Agafnd: well probably zenity incorrectly closes its standard output
• 133[00:34:21] <Agafnd> ah
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• 135[00:34:56] <Agafnd> also </dev/null is a nice workaround, i'm gonna put that in this script i'm working on...
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• 139[00:36:26] <trek00> Agafnd: good that helps :)
• 140[00:36:30] <Agafnd> oh wow i think it even affected reportbug
• 141[00:36:40] <Agafnd> sensible-editor failed >.>
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• 143[00:37:28] <trek00> Agafnd: try on a newly opened terminal
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• 145[00:37:34] <Agafnd> yeah
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• 175[00:57:28] <Agafnd> replaced-url
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• 196[01:11:44] <mallxs> i'm doing a jessie -> stretch but it breaks on apache: pls see replaced-url
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• 205[01:15:35] <TTT> hi, sorry for a bit offtopic question. Are there any on-line cloud storage/backup solutions that would allow me to access the storage as a block device? Like linux NBD. Or a remote FS. Or that have a Fuse FS that would allow something.
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• 215[01:17:35] <ratrace> TTT: pretty much any "cloud hosting" company worth their weight in salt offers that
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• 217[01:18:00] <humpled> worth their weight in salt?
• 218[01:18:48] <ratrace> humpled: replaced-url
• 219[01:18:49] <TTT> I don't think things like google drive or backblaze or mega or pcloud do that, do they? I'm looking for something cheap, say ~2 TB for under 10 USD/month
• 220[01:18:58] <TTT> performance can be slow-ish
• 221[01:19:15] <humpled> yes but
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• 224[01:19:33] <ratrace> TTT: i have no idea about those services, i'm just telling you that every cloud hosting company offers "cloudy" block storage
• 225[01:19:57] <ratrace> there's also S3 and Rackspace's object store, for which exist FUSE clients
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• 228[01:20:45] <ratrace> humpled: do you know how much a hosting company weighs? a lot. all that conrete an HVAC steel and batteries and gennies, that's a lot of mass.
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• 230[01:20:57] <humpled> no one would be paid their weight in salt
• 231[01:21:02] <ratrace> %s/conrete an /concrete and/
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• 235[01:21:27] <ratrace> humpled: you sir don't know what you're talking about.
• 236[01:22:11] <humpled> i just don't know what you are talking about
• 237[01:23:02] <ratrace> humpled: i linked you the explanation of the phrase
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• 239[01:23:21] <ratrace> it's very old. you see in the ancient times salt was very, very very expensive. right up there with gold if not more
• 240[01:23:24] <humpled> i know the phrase
• 241[01:23:35] <humpled> you just changed it
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• 243[01:23:56] <ratrace> changed how
• 244[01:24:22] <TTT> Amazon EBS is quite expensive, ~60 USD/month for cheapest option
• 245[01:24:31] <TTT> for ~2 TB
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• 247[01:25:38] <ratrace> TTT: you can always rent a 2x4 TB server from, say, Hetzner and host it yourself
• 248[01:25:51] <ratrace> you can get one for 30-40 €
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• 251[01:26:19] <TTT> that's what I'm thinking, or using hetzner storage offers, they do have 2TB of storage for ~10 USD/month
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• 254[01:28:29] * extor has a sources.list file from a year ago that was apparently created when squeeze was stable and when presumably buster was testing. With the system not having been touched for a year, what needs to be changed in the sources.list before running apt update in order to result in either a stable squeeze or a stable buster system replaced-url
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• 256[01:29:57] <tds> extor: er, squeeze was a long time before buster was testing
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• 258[01:30:21] <tds> squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie -> stretch -> buster
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• 262[01:30:45] <geek1011> !sources.list
• 263[01:30:45] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 268[01:32:13] <extor> tds, I am not sure if this is unsupported here in the chan but I am trying to remaster a knoppix live DVD and convert it into something that is currently stable, such as buster or even squeeze because july 6th or so the apt system broke due to updates I think
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• 282[01:38:38] <extor> Should I add contrib and non-free after main for those three lines, so as to not break packages which possibly drew upon those repos?
• 283[01:39:12] <extor> since my old sources.list had main contrib non-free in front of every line
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• 290[01:42:22] <jadax> I have 3 DisplayPort displays, 1/2/3. When I boot the system number 3 is the primary one but I want number 2 to be primary. I can set it with xrandr but after reboot 3rd one is primary again. How do I switch permanently?
• 291[01:42:27] <jadax> it's Xorg not Wayland
• 292[01:43:01] <extor> Oh my. That worked so smoothly. I didnt get any errors. All it says is that a few thousand packages are upgradable and I need to run apt list --upgradable to see them
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• 298[01:45:55] * extor is running apt-get upgrade now aftger apt-get update
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• 310[01:56:27] <carlino3> how can i remove completely a package and all their related files?
• 311[01:56:40] <carlino3> i'm using apt remove --purge but still some configuration files out there
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• 317[01:59:23] <extor> I use apt-get --purge remove
• 318[01:59:28] <extor> not sure if there's a difference
• 319[01:59:48] <extor> I also did an apt autoremove afterwards
• 320[01:59:57] <carlino3> lets see
• 321[02:00:02] <carlino3> maybe the autoremove is what i want
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• 399[02:54:11] <novembre> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian bullseye/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6800K CPU @ 3.40GHz (1.20GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (11.5 GiB Free) Swap: 15.5 GiB Total (15.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 2.2 TB / 4.4 TB (2.2 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Hawaii XT / Grenada XT [Radeon R9 290X/390X] @ Intel Corporation Xeon E7 v4/Xeon E5 v4/Xeon E
• 400[02:54:11] <novembre> 3 v4/Xeon D DMI2 • Uptime: 5h 20m 37s
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• 427[03:15:00] <mallxs> dracut: line 1624: warning: should this scare me ?
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• 439[03:23:51] <ksk> extor: wich package?
• 440[03:24:39] <ksk> extor: also, sometimes there are things like "pkg-config" which hold configs of "pfk"
• 441[03:24:44] <ksk> eh "pkg*
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• 444[03:25:28] <zellfaze> Is there a simple way to connect to wifi automatically on a headless system?
• 445[03:25:50] <ksk> zellfaze: you did read the wifi article on the debian wiki yeT?
• 446[03:26:10] <karlpinc> extor: Traditionally, aptitude removed dependent packages when you do a remove, whereas apt-get does not and you would manually use deborphan (iirc) to find such dependencies which are no longer needed.
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• 449[03:26:28] <karlpinc> extor: I don't know what apt does.
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• 452[03:27:42] <zellfaze> ksk: I did. And I am not really sure what I am doing wrong there.
• 453[03:27:46] <karlpinc> extor: Looks like 'apt autoremove' does what you'd want, although perhaps on a global basis rather than per specifically removed package.
• 454[03:27:49] <ksk> apt autoremove does that just fine karlpinc
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• 456[03:28:04] <zellfaze> I've created a wpa_supplicant file, and modified /etc/network/interface
• 457[03:28:16] <zellfaze> Albeit wrongly apparently. xD
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• 459[03:28:50] <karlpinc> ksk: Is there a feature for removing packages installed because they were "suggested" when the package which lead to the suggested installation is removed?
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• 461[03:30:03] <galaxie> Hi, I inherited a computer with Jessie installed. I'm trying to update but apt-transport-https isn't installed. How do I manually download the proper package? What's the link to the repo?
• 462[03:30:18] <karlpinc> zellfaze: If you want help we need specifics. (See the <errors> factoid.)
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• 464[03:30:38] <karlpinc> galaxie: Are you following the upgrade instructions in the release notes?
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• 467[03:31:01] <galaxie> karlpinc: I'm not upgrading just yet, just want to update.
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• 469[03:31:16] <Bert> /msg NickServ REGISTER <B!@ckDyn@m1t399> <michael.gilbert71@yahoo.com>
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• 474[03:31:32] <karlpinc> galaxie: They never updated via http? (guess not....)
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• 476[03:31:55] <galaxie> karlpinc: They're complaining even though there doesn't seem to be any reference to https.
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• 479[03:32:30] <karlpinc> galaxie: You may need to see: replaced-url
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• 481[03:33:18] <karlpinc> galaxie: Well, you _could_ change your sources.list to just use http.
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• 483[03:33:44] <karlpinc> galaxie: Note that you can't upgrade jessie->buster. You need to jessie->stretch->buster
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• 485[03:34:03] <karlpinc> galaxie: And be sure to follow the upgrade instructions in each release's release notes.
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• 488[03:34:57] <zellfaze> karlpinc: Right. Fair enough.
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• 490[03:35:24] <zellfaze> When I get around to the wpa_supplicant step to test my connection I get an error: ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEXT]: Invalid argument
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• 492[03:35:41] <zellfaze> And sometimes I don't even get that far.
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• 495[03:36:01] <zellfaze> On a number of occasions iwlist has just returned no access points.
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• 497[03:36:28] <karlpinc> zellfaze: It would probably be best to pastebin your configs. Maybe the logs. And surely tell us what you are typing.
• 498[03:36:30] <karlpinc> !paste
• 499[03:36:30] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 501[03:36:47] <karlpinc> zellfaze: Has it ever worked?
• 502[03:37:02] <zellfaze> karlpinc: Thanks you. I am so flustered, I should have known to do that.
• 503[03:37:08] <zellfaze> It has once or twice this evening.
• 504[03:37:18] <zellfaze> I got it connected earlier, but rebooted to see if it would stay connected.
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• 506[03:37:27] <zellfaze> Lemme try to get some stuff pastebinned.
• 507[03:37:40] <karlpinc> zellfaze: I'm not especially good with wireless, I poke mine with a stick until it works.
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• 510[03:38:20] <zellfaze> karlpinc: Good. Because I feel like I am punching my head against a wall. xD
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• 516[03:44:00] <zellfaze> karlpinc: I don't have logs yet, gonna have to grab a flash drive, but I have my configs pastebinned. I have been writing instructions to ensure that I can rebuild this machine too, so I will include those
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• 519[03:44:19] <zellfaze> Instructions: replaced-url
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• 521[03:44:46] <zellfaze> /etc/network/interfaces (only lines added from default): replaced-url
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• 523[03:45:05] <zellfaze> /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf: replaced-url
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• 543[03:59:02] <zellfaze> This is syslog: replaced-url
• 544[03:59:51] <zellfaze> And dmesg: replaced-url
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• 549[04:00:52] <zellfaze> And I apparently misread karl earlier and thought he said he was good with wireless, not that he wasn't.
• 550[04:00:55] <zellfaze> xD
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• 555[04:06:44] <galaxie> /close
• 556[04:06:54] <galaxie> Extra space..
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• 597[04:33:21] <zellfaze> I got it!
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• 600[04:33:46] <zellfaze> I was missing auto wlo1 to bring my wireless up.
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• 614[04:41:48] <Shariff> Hi there
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• 616[04:42:54] <Gerowen> What is the correct method for running a simple script at startup, in this case to launch a Minecraft server? In the past I've used rc.local, but it is disabled by default, so if there's a better way to do it, I would rather learn that.
• 617[04:43:08] <Shariff> I've just installed rasbian lite which is based on Debian Buster.. and want to configure my network for a static IP... I've found some resources describing what to do, like edit /etc/network/interfaces. .. but none of the examples are like what I have.. my files are completely empty with the exception of some comments.. is my network configured elsewhere.. how do I check? :)
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• 622[04:48:58] <Shariff> And other resources reference altering /etc/dhcpcd.conf over /etc/network/interfaces .. where should I go?
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• 625[04:54:54] <dvs> !raspbian
• 626[04:54:54] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 631[04:57:02] <Shariff> Oh, I'm sorry.. didn't mean to make that mistake :)
• 632[04:57:13] <Shariff> Thanks for having your bot tell me
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• 638[05:02:25] <ilikeyou> Ive been looking around for Debian funding info. Is there an active list of contributors somewhere? I see google contributes a bunch. Wondering what the benefit is for them..
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• 1041[07:39:22] <alkisg> In which channel is it more appropriate to ask questions about debian packaging?
• 1042[07:39:58] <alkisg> #debian-mentors?
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• 1044[07:40:42] <alkisg> Yup sorry it says so in replaced-url
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• 1050[07:49:51] <annadane> !next
• 1051[07:49:51] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1085[08:23:28] <jadax> do you know how to set primary display permanently? I use xrandr --output DP2 --primary but when I reboot another display is set to primary
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• 1089[08:26:26] <diogenes_> jadax, here is a good tutorial: replaced-url
• 1090[08:27:10] <jadax> I just found out there's no virtualbox on debian 10
• 1091[08:27:13] <jadax> what a surprise
• 1092[08:28:18] <diogenes_> .v virtualbox
• 1093[08:28:55] <diogenes_> .i virtualbox
• 1094[08:29:05] <diogenes_> hmm
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• 1097[08:30:48] <jadax> diogenes_ this tutorial uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d - I don't have that directory on debian 10...
• 1098[08:30:54] <jadax> seems debian 10 changed a lot of stuff
• 1099[08:31:06] <jadax> things don't work out of the box
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• 1101[08:32:59] <diogenes_> jadax, that directory needs to be created.
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• 1114[08:39:41] <jadax> I played with GUI and I got to a point where after logging in - my primary display is correct
• 1115[08:39:47] <jadax> bu log-in screen appears on different screen
• 1116[08:39:49] <jadax> which is weird
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• 1119[08:41:11] <diogenes_> that's why thar guy explains xorg way is better.
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• 1149[09:08:58] <jadax> have you used buster/virt-manager?
• 1150[09:09:07] <jadax> I'm used to Virtual Box but it's not supported on buster
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• 1154[09:11:34] <jadax> I know there's that: replaced-url
• 1155[09:11:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1156[09:12:07] <jadax> but I still don't fully understand why they wouldn't add virtualbox to debian 10; If I'm installing brand new debian 10 and I want brand new (latest) Virtual Box, why would I care about older releases?
• 1157[09:12:20] <jadax> just give me the latest one that's fine and block the older ones, that's totally ok
• 1158[09:12:25] <jadax> don't have to remove whole virtualbox package
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• 1163[09:16:13] <alkisg> jadax: because 6 months later a new virtualbox will come out that will address security issues but will depend on newer tools that won't be backportable
• 1164[09:16:23] <alkisg> So then the buster vbox will end up having security issues
• 1165[09:16:31] <jadax> so it breaks forward compatibility, right?
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• 1167[09:17:01] <alkisg> ...it has security issues, not sure if you can call that "breaking of forward compatibility"
• 1168[09:17:15] <jadax> I read your sentence 3 times, I get it now
• 1169[09:17:45] <jadax> does virt-manager offer similar user experience to virtualbox?
• 1170[09:17:46] <alkisg> Previously, virtualbox backported security fixes to "stable releases"; now they say "get the newest one", which isn't appropriate to debian
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• 1172[09:17:53] <alkisg> Yeah, it's similar
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• 1174[09:18:06] <jadax> I need it for development machine
• 1175[09:18:08] <jadax> nothing critical
• 1176[09:18:20] <jadax> thinking out loud now, should I get vbox vs virt-manager
• 1177[09:18:32] <jadax> if I don't care *that much* about security as I'm not running any servers on it
• 1178[09:18:35] <jadax> just local dev box
• 1179[09:19:03] <jadax> but then I don't like hacking debian, I like it nice and clean
• 1180[09:19:09] <jadax> working 100% of the time as it's supposed to
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• 1182[09:19:19] <jadax> not 99.9
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• 1184[09:20:39] <jadax> I'm actually fine just using ssh + vnc for that VM
• 1185[09:20:58] <jadax> so virt-manager howerver bad it could be I think will do just fine for such a simple task
• 1186[09:21:43] <jadax> here is the kicker, I keep VM image on ntfs drive shared with windows (dual boot host)
• 1187[09:22:08] <jadax> could I have virtualbox on Windows that will work off the same VM image (iso/vmdk/whatever else) ?
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• 1190[09:23:46] <alkisg> jadax: if you use sparse files as images ("vmdk=>fixed size" in virtualbox), you can boot them from any virtualization suite and from any os
• 1191[09:24:41] <jadax> vmdk is the one that can dynamically resize unlike raw, right?
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• 1193[09:24:55] <alkisg> fixed size vmdk IS raw
• 1194[09:25:06] <alkisg> But if it's a sparse file, it doesn't need extra space
• 1195[09:25:10] <alkisg> (google about sparse files)
• 1196[09:25:24] <jadax> I see
• 1197[09:26:09] <jadax> is vmdk good format to go with? I have bunch of SSD storage available for my disposal, so that's not a concern
• 1198[09:26:28] <jadax> I would definitely like the ability to run same VM off Debian and Windows
• 1199[09:26:40] <alkisg> The raw format can be booted in kvm, vbox, vmware, whatever, even in bare metal
• 1200[09:27:09] <alkisg> It's the most compatible one, if you don't mind taking care of the space issues possibly with sparse files
• 1201[09:27:37] <alkisg> bbiab
• 1202[09:28:08] <jadax> I wonder what the space issues could be
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• 1204[09:28:51] <jadax> like filesystem putting some small files into the space where the VMDK sits?
• 1205[09:29:00] <jadax> and then VMDK grows and here's the problem - some other files are there already
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• 1207[09:29:05] <jadax> so then it all gets fragmented?
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• 1212[09:33:02] <jadax> virt-manager wizzard only allows me to create raw or qcow2 volume
• 1213[09:33:07] <jadax> no vmdk no nothing else
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• 1239[09:41:01] <alkisg> jadax: it's just a different extension; you can name .raw however you like, vbox uses -flat.vmdk for them
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• 1243[09:42:47] <jadax> let's say I name it raw as that's what virt-manager likes
• 1244[09:43:02] <jadax> would I be able to plug it directly to vbox on Win later as is without extra conversions?
• 1245[09:43:07] <alkisg> Yup
• 1246[09:43:19] <jadax> sweet!
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• 1248[09:43:23] <alkisg> A "registration" step is always necessary, to tell vbox where to find the disk, but no conversion
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• 1250[09:43:52] <jadax> I'm putting that raw on top of NTFS volume
• 1251[09:43:58] <jadax> so both, win and debian can access it
• 1252[09:44:03] <alkisg> Sure
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• 1255[09:46:11] <jadax> “The emulator may not have search permissions for the path”
• 1256[09:46:28] <jadax> apparently virt-manager doesn't like the fact that my new raw image sits on the NTFS drive
• 1257[09:46:47] <jadax> instead of /var/lib/libvirt/images
• 1258[09:46:55] <alkisg> Wrong ntfs mount permissions
• 1259[09:47:01] <alkisg> If you only allow the user, then the system can't find it
• 1260[09:47:11] <jadax> what am I missing with the mount?
• 1261[09:48:01] <alkisg> jadax: I need to go back to packaging for a while; re-summarize that mount question so that others in the channel may answer...
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• 1266[09:50:14] <jadax> I can't paste my mount here :/
• 1267[09:50:48] <jadax> /dev/sda6 on /media/user/0B5DA12C1282341D type fuseblk
• 1268[09:50:48] <jadax> rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
• 1269[09:50:52] <jadax> that's better!
• 1270[09:51:17] <jadax> apparently something is off with this mount - my virt-manager says “The emulator may not have search permissions for the path”
• 1271[09:52:06] <jadax> and alkisg claims mount is incorrect - am I missing some flag? I mounted it actually through debian's 'Files' GUI thing (is it nautilus btw?)
• 1272[09:52:24] <jadax> I should probably add it to /etc/fstab if I'm planning on keeping VM images there
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• 1296[10:15:20] <jadax> I'm still stuck configuring virt-manager's access to that NTFS drive
• 1297[10:15:40] <jadax> I created whole /etc/fstab entry
• 1298[10:15:55] <jadax> UUID=0BADA11C1242351D /mnt/ntfs ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=000,dmask=027,fmask=137,uid=1000,gid=1000,windows_names 0 0
• 1299[10:16:07] <jadax> but that's not enough for virt-manager
• 1300[10:16:35] <jadax> virt-manager keeps saying same thing over and over, "The emulator may not have search permissions for the path /mnt/ntfs/"
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• 1334[10:43:40] <eaxxae> Is library genesis down/dead ?
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• 1338[10:47:18] <magic_ninja_work> jadax, what is your fstab line ?
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• 1343[10:48:22] <jadax> magic_ninja_work UUID=0BADA11C1242351D /mnt/ntfs ntfs defaults,nls=utf8,umask=000,dmask=027,fmask=137,uid=1000,gid=1000,windows_names 0 0
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• 1346[10:50:03] <magic_ninja_work> jadax, try a simple line, like this one: UUID=64A0B1AEA0B18758 /mnt/Storage ntfs defaults 0 2
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• 1350[10:52:22] <jadax> ok, let me reboot
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• 1352[10:52:56] <magic_ninja_work> jadax, no need
• 1353[10:53:22] <magic_ninja_work> just do sudo umount /mnt/ntfs
• 1354[10:53:26] <magic_ninja_work> sudo mount -a
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• 1357[10:54:38] <jadax> hey, that worked
• 1358[10:54:46] <jadax> my Ubuntu VM kicked-off
• 1359[10:54:52] <magic_ninja_work> :)
• 1360[10:54:59] <jadax> thanks!
• 1361[10:55:21] <magic_ninja_work> replaced-url
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• 1363[10:56:04] <magic_ninja_work> generally, when configuring something start with the defaults / suggested defaults, then tweak it only as you need. If something doesn't work, change it back before going forward.
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• 1373[11:07:31] <BenLue> why i cant execute a2ensite in buster, cmd not found :(
• 1374[11:07:38] <BenLue> Apache2 is installed
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• 1393[11:22:50] <humpled> BenLue check the full path
• 1394[11:22:55] <humpled> !buster sudo
• 1395[11:23:04] <humpled> hmm,
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• 1397[11:25:46] <ZaZaGX> hmm
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• 1399[11:25:54] <ZaZaGX> !buster
• 1400[11:25:54] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06. "Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see replaced-url
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• 1425[11:39:25] <humpled> wait, Buster is a dog, cool
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• 1427[11:40:37] <ZaZaGX> ya
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• 1434[11:43:01] <BCMM> humpled: have you seen the default wallpaper in buster?
• 1435[11:43:22] <humpled> nope, maybe i should get round to upgrading
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• 1438[11:43:58] <BCMM> there is a hidden dog replaced-url
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• 1441[11:46:38] <alkisg> Heh, I hadn't noticed the hidden dog in the wallpaper! :D
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• 1489[12:21:27] <ZaZaGX> i don't see the hidden dog
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• 1491[12:22:00] <at0m> ZaZaGX: its head left of debian sign
• 1492[12:22:11] <ZaZaGX> ohhh
• 1493[12:22:27] <ZaZaGX> it must be buster
• 1494[12:23:14] <at0m> BCMM: fun find, and fun wallpaper, too =) (i don't use any so couldn't have seen)
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• 1505[12:29:39] <ZaZaGX> wb
• 1506[12:30:09] <ZaZaGX> ilikeyou, are you using the free protonvpn?
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• 1518[12:41:01] <Azlux> O.O funny
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• 1525[12:45:15] <brutser> is there any benefit for me to install debian on ZFS filesystem?
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• 1531[12:49:55] <Bushmills> login screen also show the head: replaced-url
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• 1533[12:51:29] <jadax> what's good notepad++ alternative for debian 10?
• 1534[12:52:17] <Bushmills> what features of notepad++ are important to you?
• 1535[12:52:45] <jadax> multiple tabs and the fact that I can easily create them and they get preserved during reboots
• 1536[12:52:49] <jadax> no need for me to save anything
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• 1538[12:53:19] <bad_cat> afaik vim has tab support and can save sessions
• 1539[12:53:25] <jadax> I use it for quick notest often times, scratch-pad
• 1540[12:54:55] <jadax> geany is available on debian, haven't used that before
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• 1542[12:56:43] <humpled> geany has persistent tabs and some good features
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• 1545[12:59:39] <jadax> it doesn't persist tabs for me
• 1546[13:00:06] <jadax> if I have a tab with some text in it and don't explicitly save that file - geany after closing and openning won't have that file contents anymore
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• 1551[13:02:34] <humpled> so it changes the file without asking you
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• 1555[13:02:48] <jadax> well, it asks me to save the file on exit
• 1556[13:02:51] <jadax> I just hit no
• 1557[13:02:56] <jadax> and then as I open geany again - the file is gone
• 1558[13:03:07] <jadax> but that's the exact feature notepad++ has
• 1559[13:03:16] <jadax> I can close it with 20 tabs unsaved
• 1560[13:03:23] <jadax> and once I reopen all tabs are back
• 1561[13:03:31] <jadax> in other words, notepad++ saves them somewhere internally
• 1562[13:03:35] <jadax> but it doesn't bother me to do so
• 1563[13:03:54] <humpled> yes it changes the files you had, without asking you
• 1564[13:04:16] <Bushmills> intending to use it as full editor, or just for notes taking?
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• 1567[13:05:06] <jadax> just notes
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• 1570[13:05:32] <Bushmills> maybe a "note it" type of toolbar app. for example, xfce4-notes
• 1571[13:05:46] <jadax> I'm on debian 10 gnome (xorg)
• 1572[13:05:53] <humpled> yes i had something similar to that, can't remember its name though
• 1573[13:05:53] <jadax> xfce4 stuff probably won't work
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• 1575[13:06:02] <Bushmills> it probably will
• 1576[13:06:30] <Bushmills> dependencies aren't that many, no need for complete xfce4 desktop environment
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• 1581[13:07:35] <Bushmills> for gnomem there's something like zim, but I'm not sure about persistent tabs
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• 1586[13:10:40] <Bushmills> (those survive restarts of app, but no idea how they behave when rebooting in the middle of editing)
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• 1591[13:12:50] <Bushmills> Being able to link to other tabs by simply writing their name in any other note, wiki style, makes cross referencing notes a breeze
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• 1594[13:15:02] <Bushmills> oh, i lied. Names need to be in CamelCase
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• 1598[13:17:33] <jadax> I tried to install notepadqq through snap; it installed but I couldn't start it
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• 1681[14:09:06] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
• 1682[14:09:06] <dpkg> Sorry kreyren, you're not online.
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• 1685[14:09:27] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
• 1686[14:09:27] <dpkg> Yes, kreyren, you are online.
• 1687[14:09:56] <kreyren> i have problem on livedvd of debian replaced-url
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• 1689[14:10:05] <kreyren> ideally expecting to use different directory for this action
• 1690[14:10:49] <kreyren> diogenes_, used your instructions btw and runtime is dependant on bootable media, will investigate later
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• 1694[14:13:25] <kreyren> or disable it somehow to prevent making initrd images
• 1695[14:13:33] <kreyren> (hotfix)
• 1696[14:13:42] <diogenes_> kreyren, i did that with live iso, not the dvd ones.
• 1697[14:14:17] <kreyren> diogenes_, used replaced-url
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• 1699[14:14:36] <kreyren> tried to add toram option which results in same issue for said configuration
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• 1701[14:15:38] <diogenes_> kreyren, this is the iso i used: replaced-url
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• 1704[14:16:28] <kreyren> diogenes_, seems to be the same excluding xfce DE
• 1705[14:16:58] <kreyren> to clarify: expected to have this on usb stick, allow boot and once that is finished -> disconnect usb stick
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• 1717[14:22:26] <kreyren> diogenes_, trying it again
• 1718[14:23:02] <diogenes_> ok
• 1719[14:23:36] <kreyren> grub-efi-amd64 expected?
• 1720[14:23:38] <kreyren> for `sudo apt install grub-efi-amd64` ?
• 1721[14:23:41] <kreyren> wait
• 1722[14:23:45] <kreyren> for `sudo grub-install --no-uefi-secure-boot --removable --target=x86_64-efi --boot-directory=/tmp/usb-live/boot/ --efi-directory=/tmp/usb-efi /dev/sdc`
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• 1724[14:24:56] <diogenes_> if ythat's how i did.
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• 1726[14:25:59] <kreyren> grub2 package doesnt have x86_64-efi -> deduced grub-efi-amd64 assuming it using grub2 based on apt output
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• 1728[14:26:15] <kreyren> > grub-efi-amd64 - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-AMD64 version)
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• 1736[14:31:36] <kreyren> noticed difference in grub.cfg, trying to boot now
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• 1765[14:58:17] <kreyren> diogenes_, same issue
• 1766[14:59:00] <diogenes_> for me it worked.
• 1767[14:59:18] <kreyren> for me it depends on the bootable media
• 1768[14:59:25] <kreyren> if disconnected it outputs I/O error
• 1769[14:59:31] <kreyren> even with toram option
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• 1773[15:01:09] <diogenes_> kreyren, the most likely you need a different approach, to make a filesystem.squashfs in /live which will include all the packages and configurations you might need.
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• 1777[15:02:39] <kreyren> diogenes_, doubt it seems to be mounting /dev/sdb3 on / -- overlay on / type overlay (rw,noatime,lowerdir=/run/live/rootfs/filesystem.squashfs/,upperdir=/run/live/persistence/sdb3/rw,workdir=/run/live/persistence/sdb3/work)
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• 1780[15:03:23] <kreyren> /dev/sdb3 on /run/live/persistence/sdb3 type ext4 (rw,noatime)
• 1781[15:03:35] <diogenes_> you can't mount squashfs rw
• 1782[15:03:44] <kreyren> o.O
• 1783[15:04:26] <kreyren> /dev/sdb3 on /usr/lib/live/mount/persistence/sdb3 type ext4 (rw,noatime)
• 1784[15:04:42] <kreyren> diogenes_, meaning?
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• 1786[15:05:23] <diogenes_> kreyren, sorry i'm on 2 chats so can't fully focus on neither :)
• 1787[15:05:31] <kreyren> diogenes_, np, ty for info
• 1788[15:05:45] <diogenes_> no problem.
• 1789[15:05:47] * kreyren rebooting
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• 1802[15:13:02] <samba35> i want to check whcih cpu support some specific version of feature set /like vt-d 3.0 is supported which cpu ?
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• 1833[15:27:48] <ZaZaGX> hi
• 1834[15:28:09] <greg___> Hi all
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• 1838[15:29:09] <blackop> Hi. I newly installed debian 10 and at first boot it is stuck at “Resuming from hibernation”
• 1839[15:29:15] <blackop> what should i do?
• 1840[15:29:41] <blackop> By the way i am connected here from mobile
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• 1843[15:30:55] <blackop> Pc is not connected to internet since i couldnt config the network
• 1844[15:31:05] <diogenes_> blackop, rat grub menu press 'e' and remove the line resume=UUID=... and press ctrl+x
• 1845[15:31:13] <diogenes_> at*
• 1846[15:31:26] <blackop> Let me try
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• 1849[15:32:07] <blackop> I dont see resume=UUID
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• 1851[15:33:08] <blackop> Linux /boot/wmlinuz-4.19.0.5-amd64 root=UUID=....
• 1852[15:33:11] <humpled> what do you see?
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• 1854[15:34:38] <blackop> if [ x$feature_platform_search.... then search - - no-floppy - - fs-uuid - - set=root ....
• 1855[15:34:46] <alkisg> blackop: that hibernation message is normal and may NOT be related to hibernation; try removing "quiet" from the cmdline, to see any other error messages
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• 1857[15:35:14] <alkisg> replaced-url
• 1858[15:35:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1859[15:35:15] <blackop> ....... ro quiet
• 1860[15:35:24] <blackop> Is that what you mean?
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• 1865[15:36:31] <blackop> How can i remove it? I am total newbie
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• 1868[15:36:55] <blackop> It says F2 for command line.
• 1869[15:36:59] <alkisg> After you pressed "e" and saw "quiet" you press the delete key to delete the word "quiet" and you press f10 to boot
• 1870[15:37:08] <alkisg> or ctrl+x, whatever it says there
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• 1872[15:37:51] <blackop> After i press “e” some parameters came on screen. I dont know how to edit
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• 1874[15:38:33] <diogenes_> blackop, make a pic with your hone and upload to imgur
• 1875[15:38:37] <diogenes_> let's see what you see.
• 1876[15:38:37] <blackop> there is no “quiet” alone. It exists at the end of linux /boot/lvmlinuz .... lind
• 1877[15:38:46] <diogenes_> phone*
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• 1879[15:38:49] <blackop> ok wait
• 1880[15:39:09] <blackop> I hope i dont disconnect here
• 1881[15:39:59] <Nothing4You> is it possible to have /etc as a separate mount point if the fstab is synced to initramfs?
• 1882[15:40:15] <blackop> replaced-url
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• 1885[15:40:51] <humpled> is 'verbose' still relevant
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• 1888[15:41:51] <blackop> It is old laptop. I faced some issues with ubuntu 18.04 64bit but not boot problems.
• 1889[15:42:03] <blackop> i wanted to try debian
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• 1896[15:43:26] <ZaZaGX> did you try the new ubuntu 18.04.3?
• 1897[15:43:42] <blackop> Yes
• 1898[15:43:51] <ZaZaGX> ohhh
• 1899[15:44:01] <diogenes_> blackop, navigate with keyboard arrow keys in front of quiet and remove it, then press ctrl+x
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• 1901[15:44:05] <blackop> I deleted quiet at the end of line but still same
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• 1904[15:44:24] <diogenes_> and now when it stuck, make another screeshot
• 1905[15:44:27] <blackop> Maybe it didnt save my delete?
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• 1907[15:44:45] <blackop> Oh no quiet is still there
• 1908[15:44:55] <blackop> How can i save after delete?
• 1909[15:45:53] <diogenes_> it will still be there when you reset and reboot, after you delete it, press f10 or ctrl+x and it will boot showing some text on the screen instead of debian logo
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• 1911[15:46:01] <diogenes_> and once it stuck male anothe screenshot
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• 1913[15:46:16] <blackop> Ok
• 1914[15:46:23] <diogenes_> make*
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• 1916[15:47:07] <humpled> is 'verbose' still relevant or is 'systemd.show_status=1' the thing now?
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• 1921[15:48:24] <blackop> Here the screenshot replaced-url
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• 1926[15:49:23] <alkisg> blackop: what happens if you press enter at that point?
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• 1928[15:49:33] <blackop> Nothing happens
• 1929[15:49:40] <alkisg> The screen doesn't scroll up?
• 1930[15:49:48] <blackop> No
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• 1932[15:50:12] <blackop> Is it because my laptop is old?
• 1933[15:50:20] <blackop> Old hardware and old gpu
• 1934[15:50:21] <alkisg> Could be graphics/xorg/wayland issues... it's late in the init stages there
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• 1936[15:50:43] <alkisg> In grub, try advanced options => recovery mode
• 1937[15:50:48] <blackop> I have old bad gpu - ATI mobility radeon x1300
• 1938[15:50:55] <humpled> how old is it? mine is 11 years and runs xfce but i wouldn't try gnome
• 1939[15:51:08] <blackop> 13 yrs old ThinkPad T60
• 1940[15:51:16] <diogenes_> yeah ^^^^ gnome is bad choice
• 1941[15:51:18] <humpled> oh nice
• 1942[15:51:43] <blackop> I set default debian desktop which is gnome i think
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• 1944[15:52:32] <humpled> how much ram?
• 1945[15:52:44] <blackop> it said press Ctrl D to continue. But it showed up blank black screen. Nothing comes up
• 1946[15:53:02] <blackop> humpled 4gb put but chipset supports max 3gb
• 1947[15:53:56] <blackop> alkisg black screen..
• 1948[15:54:07] <blackop> In recovery mode
• 1949[15:54:07] <alkisg> blackop: don't continue; put the password
• 1950[15:54:07] <humpled> hmm your urls are transformed to a much shorter version after loading
• 1951[15:54:29] <roflbot> hi guys, have not used cd-rom in several years, but found som CDs that I want to rip. For some reason cdparanoia -Q tells me that "Drive is neither a CDROM nor a WORM device". What am I doing wrong?
• 1952[15:54:42] <blackop> Should i reinstall and choose xcfe?
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• 1954[15:55:00] <alkisg> blackop: do a little try with the recovery mode first
• 1955[15:55:06] <alkisg> Put the password when it asked you
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• 1958[15:55:14] <blackop> Btw it was SATA in compatible mode when i installed but later i changed to AHCI in bios
• 1959[15:55:16] <alkisg> Then you should get a shell prompt; there, type: startx
• 1960[15:55:42] <blackop> alkisg for some minutes nothing comes.. still black screen
• 1961[15:56:04] <alkisg> blackop: you need to reboot, and when it says "put password or type ctrl+d", you need to type the password
• 1962[15:56:04] <roflbot> ahh seems like I need to load some kernel modules, sg sr_mod or something
• 1963[15:56:14] <alkisg> blackop: If you wait without rebooting, you'll wait for ever
• 1964[15:56:17] <blackop> Oh ok
• 1965[15:57:12] <blackop> alkisg finally in command line as root
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• 1968[15:57:24] <alkisg> blackop, there, try: startx
• 1969[15:57:30] <alkisg> Does that do anything?
• 1970[15:58:00] <blackop> Corrupted splash screen for a second then black screen
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• 1972[15:58:23] <alkisg> When you installed, did you use the live cd with graphics, or the text mode installer?
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• 1974[15:58:31] <blackop> before that i saw something says urandom 7 warnings
• 1975[15:58:44] <roflbot> modprobing sg and sr_mod did not do anything, probably had them already.
• 1976[15:59:03] <blackop> i used usb with netinstallation and no graphics install
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• 1978[15:59:24] <blackop> i used text mode install
• 1979[15:59:40] <ZaZaGX> oh
• 1980[15:59:44] <alkisg> OK so it's possible that this card just won't display neither xorg nor wayland; reboot, get the recovery shell again, and type: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 3 VGA
• 1981[15:59:51] <alkisg> Does it mention "driver in use" there?
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• 1983[16:00:13] <ZaZaGX> my lenovo didn't support the netinstall. i had to use the DVD-1 on a usb flash drive to install debian 10
• 1984[16:00:34] <ZaZaGX> the netinstall gave me a black screen, and it won't load
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• 1988[16:02:01] <blackop> alkisg No such PCI access method: 3 (see ‘-A help’ for a list)
• 1989[16:02:20] <blackop> ZaZaGx which model of lenovo?
• 1990[16:02:35] <alkisg> blackop: you misstyped, read it again
• 1991[16:02:56] <alkisg> Maybe you got this wrong: |
• 1992[16:03:01] <alkisg> It's a vertical bar
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• 1994[16:03:45] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
• 1995[16:03:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1996[16:03:58] <ZaZaGX> I have that
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• 1999[16:05:26] <ZaZaGX> its newer
• 2000[16:05:47] <blackop> Ah
• 2001[16:05:54] <blackop> replaced-url
• 2002[16:06:17] <blackop> I thought it is “l” but it should be “|”
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• 2004[16:06:24] <alkisg> blackop: yes, you type "l" lambda instead of | vertical bar
• 2005[16:06:46] <alkisg> Vertical bar is: shift + \
• 2006[16:06:49] <blackop> my keyboard is not english
• 2007[16:06:51] <alkisg> (usually)
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• 2010[16:07:25] <blackop> It is shift-;
• 2011[16:07:56] <blackop> I will take screenshot
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• 2013[16:08:07] <mallxs> In gnome-flashback , how do i make that a click in a window takes focus ?
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• 2016[16:09:17] <blackop> alkisg replaced-url
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• 2019[16:10:30] <blackop> Am i here or dropped?
• 2020[16:10:56] <humpled> you're here
• 2021[16:11:10] <blackop> Ok. On mobile i cant be sure..
• 2022[16:12:26] <humpled> dpkg ping
• 2023[16:12:26] <dpkg> pong
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• 2025[16:12:35] <alkisg> You might need to enable "vesa" or "nomodeset" to make it work, but it will require detailed instructions, I don't know if there's a link for them here...
• 2026[16:13:06] <alkisg> Googling for debian "1002:7149" doesn't yield any recent results ;)
• 2027[16:13:07] <blackop> :( why is it so hard
• 2028[16:13:25] <alkisg> Too old ati card :)
• 2029[16:13:51] <blackop> But why linux ignoring old hardwares..
• 2030[16:14:01] <blackop> Laptop is still like a monster
• 2031[16:14:08] <blackop> Very capable
• 2032[16:14:24] <alkisg> They can't spend days to test hardware that they don't even have; maybe an older version will boot out of the box
• 2033[16:14:32] <alkisg> Try some live cds and see which one shows graphics
• 2034[16:15:03] <blackop> Can i try with my usb stick?
• 2035[16:15:11] <blackop> I dont have cd of debian
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• 2037[16:15:14] <alkisg> Sure
• 2038[16:15:27] <blackop> But it didnt give me option to try.
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• 2040[16:16:04] <blackop> Let me check the menu again
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• 2042[16:16:21] <blackop> No try option
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• 2044[16:16:36] <blackop> Graphical install
• 2045[16:17:03] <alkisg> replaced-url
• 2046[16:17:12] <blackop> install- advanced options-accessible high constrast installer menu
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• 2049[16:17:27] <ZaZaGX> nosetmode is easy
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• 2051[16:17:40] <ZaZaGX> i did it before. are you trying to install a graphic driver?
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• 2053[16:18:06] <blackop> ZaZaGx yes but old graphic card
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• 2055[16:18:37] <blackop> It is grandgrandgrand father of your X1 :p
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• 2057[16:19:13] <blackop> And x1 is step grandson since it s not real thinkpad lol
• 2058[16:20:31] <ZaZaGX> Well, i'm not sure. when the grub appears. you type in "e"
• 2059[16:20:55] <ZaZaGX> i did it on ubuntu back than. but i didn't try it for Debian
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• 2067[16:22:26] <blackop> I will try live cd but later. I need to download it from other laptop
• 2068[16:22:29] <ZaZaGX> do you see the sh?
• 2069[16:22:49] <blackop> what sh?
• 2070[16:23:03] <ZaZaGX> sorry i meant splash
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• 2074[16:24:00] <blackop> I saw it in recovery mode when typed startx for a second but corrupted screen then came up with black screen
• 2075[16:24:01] <ZaZaGX> first, when you bootup from grub, did you type in the 'e'
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• 2078[16:24:18] <blackop> yes i did but e didnt help
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• 2080[16:24:35] <blackop> i did what alkisg told me
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• 2082[16:24:53] <ZaZaGX> did you see quiet splash?
• 2083[16:25:09] <blackop> No
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• 2085[16:25:34] <ZaZaGX> okay, well i did this in the past. i'm not sure if its relevant
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• 2088[16:25:42] <ZaZaGX> it was on Ubuntu
• 2089[16:25:48] <ZaZaGX> geez, he left
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• 2091[16:26:36] <rawtaz> hi. i have a docker container based on buildpack-deps:stretch-scm and in it i've ran apt-get update, apt-get install nodejs nodejs-legacy , but for some reason i dont have npm installed. wherever i look it seems like npm should be installed with nodejs. what am i missing?
• 2092[16:27:07] <rawtaz> to be clear; both `node` and `nodejs` runs fine, but there's no such command `npm` , nor does `find / -iname npm` find anything relevant.
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• 2094[16:28:06] <Bushmills> apt install npm
• 2095[16:28:20] <SerajewelKS> rawtaz: nodejs in stretch and stretch-backports doesn't depend on npm. in buster it's suggested.
• 2096[16:28:24] <SerajewelKS> it's a separate package
• 2097[16:28:50] <ZaZaGX> alkisg, ya there?
• 2098[16:28:55] <rawtaz> Bushmills: there's no such package
• 2099[16:28:56] <alkisg> ZaZaGX: yup?
• 2100[16:29:08] <Bushmills> ,v npm
• 2101[16:29:09] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; stretch-backports: 5.8.0+ds6-2~bpo9+1; bullseye: 5.8.0+ds6-4; buster: 5.8.0+ds6-4; sid: 5.8.0+ds6-4
• 2102[16:29:22] <rawtaz> ah, perhaps i need to add the strech-backports repo then?
• 2103[16:29:48] <Bushmills> if you're on stretch, then that sounds like a plna
• 2104[16:29:49] <Bushmills> plan
• 2105[16:29:58] <ZaZaGX> alkisg, i have instuctions for nosetmode. but its for Ubuntu. not sure if its the same for debian
• 2106[16:29:59] <rawtaz> this is the base docker container im using: replaced-url
• 2107[16:30:04] <rawtaz> Bushmills: will try that, thanks
• 2108[16:30:07] <rawtaz> SerajewelKS: thanks!
• 2109[16:30:11] <ZaZaGX> after than you are supposed to install the drivers for the graphic card
• 2110[16:30:14] <alkisg> ZaZaGX: it's called nomodeset; if he ever comes back, tell him :)
• 2111[16:30:58] <ZaZaGX> replaced-url
• 2112[16:31:07] <ZaZaGX> sorry i mean nomodeset
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• 2114[16:31:44] <ZaZaGX> maybe you can pass it to him.
• 2115[16:31:49] <rawtaz> should i use strech-backports or buster-backports?
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• 2118[16:32:30] <Bushmills> as it's in buster, i doubt you can find it in buster backports
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• 2120[16:33:18] <rawtaz> i mean; foo-backports means "packages backported [in]to foo", not "packages backported from foo"?
• 2121[16:33:23] <ZaZaGX> alkisg, is it accurate? or not
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• 2123[16:34:14] <alkisg> ZaZaGX: I don't know, but since he left, there's not much point in it...
• 2124[16:34:19] <Bushmills> that's right
• 2125[16:34:58] <rawtaz> cheers
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• 2129[16:35:41] <ZaZaGX> alkisg, well... i am going to sign off. if he comes back. you can give him that link and to tell thats how you nomodeset and than install the ati graphic card via terminal
• 2130[16:35:44] <Bushmills> but nobody is likely to backport 5.8.0+ds6-4 (bullseye & sid) to buster when there's 5.8.0+ds6-4 in buster
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• 2132[16:35:59] <alkisg> ZaZaGX: I don't think there's an ati driver for so old cards
• 2133[16:36:05] <alkisg> Anyway, bye :)
• 2134[16:36:17] <ZaZaGX> lol oh wells
• 2135[16:36:17] <rawtaz> Bushmills: indeed. ok, so it happens that packages are "backported" from older to newer versions as well?
• 2136[16:37:27] <Bushmills> that may happen, yes, if older version is in stable
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• 2138[16:37:41] <rawtaz> ok
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• 2140[16:38:11] <rawtaz> is there any naming convention for sources.list.d? im thinking stretch-backports.list for the filename otherwise
• 2141[16:39:05] <Bushmills> unambiguous or otherwise telling names are preferred
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• 2143[16:39:29] <rawtaz> ok :)
• 2144[16:40:08] <Bushmills> !hard
• 2145[16:40:08] <dpkg> Yes. It's hard.
• 2146[16:40:19] <Bushmills> oops, wrong channel :)
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• 2148[16:40:57] <rawtaz> haha
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• 2160[16:47:37] <EdePopede> does debian provide a simply human friendy tool to show mouse events? no, not xev. user friendly. nothing that needs to be embedded in a script using tcl/tk or similar to make it usable.
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• 2162[16:48:19] <EdePopede> something like windows had since the 90s in the mouse setting dialog. show the mouse states, show the double or triple click.
• 2163[16:48:33] * Bushmills googles that funny term "windows"
• 2164[16:48:34] <EdePopede> erm, button states
• 2165[16:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1539
• 2166[16:49:05] <EdePopede> a software written by a company in a city in Murica, i think it is called Redmond
• 2167[16:49:32] <Bushmills> ah. program loader for mostly recreative software
• 2168[16:50:04] <EdePopede> well at least it doesn't follow DIN's definition for "Betriebssystem" (Operating System)
• 2169[16:50:33] <Bushmills> in mouse settings of graphical desktop environments is often a "double click" test
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• 2171[16:50:39] <EdePopede> simply for being far too bloated and running a lot of crap without real need
• 2172[16:50:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> I remember the built-in playtime limit. It would suddenly stop working if you had enough, a great reminder to go outside and enjoy life.
• 2173[16:50:55] <EdePopede> dammit. so xfce (at least on stretch) is missing that one.
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• 2175[16:52:38] <humpled> there is synclient -l
• 2176[16:54:09] <Bushmills> the "enough" indicator visually styled reminiscent of the sky outside?
• 2177[16:55:17] <rawtaz> well, it seems that stretch has nodejs v4, while npm in stretch-backports requires nodejs v6. so ill have to install nodejs from backports too
• 2178[16:55:50] <Bushmills> ,v nodejs
• 2179[16:55:51] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; bullseye: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; buster: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; sid: 10.15.2~dfsg-2; experimental: 12.8.0~dfsg-2
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• 2181[16:56:53] <rawtaz> wow, huge version difference between stretch and buster
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• 2185[16:57:11] <EdePopede> bullseye before buster is highly irritating. not the first time i observe this, is it a template thing?
• 2186[16:57:26] <blackop> alkisg replaced-url
• 2187[16:57:28] <Bushmills> and backports. looks like they skipped a few major release numbers
• 2188[16:57:43] <blackop> it disables ATI gpu at the boot.
• 2189[16:58:12] <blackop> Failed to load gpu firmware
• 2190[16:58:33] <blackop> If i install debian again with only xcfe not gnome does it work?
• 2191[16:58:34] <humpled> :|
• 2192[16:59:03] <humpled> i don't think that will help
• 2193[16:59:03] <alkisg> blackop: try installing the firmware (ask here if you don't know how; sorry busy atm)
• 2194[16:59:16] <alkisg> "failed to load radeon/R520_cp.bin"
• 2195[16:59:17] <blackop> ok
• 2196[16:59:27] <blackop> Thanks
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• 2198[16:59:59] <blackop> Dear debian, how can i install my old ATI mobility radeon x1300 firmware?
• 2199[17:00:27] <blackop> it fails to load radeon/R520_cp.bin
• 2200[17:00:34] <blackop> replaced-url
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• 2204[17:01:19] <blackop> My gpu code name suppose to be RV515 why showing R520 i dont know. Maybe same family
• 2205[17:01:37] <rawtaz> hm, how can nodejs conflict with nodejs-legacy in this case? replaced-url
• 2206[17:01:51] <rawtaz> not sure why it cares - nodejs-legacy is just a symlink package
• 2207[17:02:14] <m0rd3cai> I just got my radeon 600 series working. had to enable non free repo and install firmware-amd-graphics and firmware-linux-nonfree
• 2208[17:03:24] <Bushmills> apt depends nodejs - probably says "collides with nodejs-legacy"
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• 2210[17:04:13] <Bushmills> ah, because "replaces ..."
• 2211[17:04:30] <blackop> m0rd3cai is that older than mine?
• 2212[17:04:42] <rawtaz> Bushmills: `apt -t stretch-backports depends nodejs` does say nodejs conflicts with nodejs-legacy. hm could it be that nodejs in backports contain the symlink in nodejs-legacy perhaps?
• 2213[17:04:51] <blackop> i found something here: replaced-url
• 2214[17:05:12] <m0rd3cai> blackop: im not sure off top of my head. Id have to look.
• 2215[17:05:15] <rawtaz> i should probably just install nodejs then and skip legacy
• 2216[17:05:28] <ilikeyou> ZaZaGX: was afk sorry. yes free version. Ur asking cus of the disconnects lol
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• 2218[17:05:32] <blackop> deb replaced-url
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• 2220[17:05:46] <blackop> I will try this
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• 2224[17:06:26] <Bushmills> rawtaz: there's "factual reason" and "formal reason" - that a conflict is reported, is due to "formal reason", that is, because it's listed as colliding with
• 2225[17:06:42] <m0rd3cai> i would check there for your card.
• 2226[17:06:44] <m0rd3cai> replaced-url
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• 2229[17:06:58] <Bushmills> for why it's stated as colliding with, the package contents may have to be examined
• 2230[17:07:15] <m0rd3cai> all supported models are listed there
• 2231[17:07:34] <rawtaz> Bushmills: yeah. hopefully the fact that nodejs is said to replace nodejs-legacy might mean that nodejs provides the `node` binary or symlink this time :)
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• 2234[17:08:17] <rawtaz> Bushmills: it seems to. i did `apt -t stretch-backports install --no-install-recommends nodejs npm` and now have working `node`, `nodejs`, `npm` :)
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• 2243[17:10:44] <Bushmills> no challenge if things work straight away
• 2244[17:10:49] <rawtaz> true hehe
• 2245[17:10:52] <blackop> My gpu family R500 series exist in the packages
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• 2247[17:11:00] <blackop> but i dont know how to install
• 2248[17:11:04] <rawtaz> i hope soon microsoft updates their container to use buster instead
• 2249[17:11:07] <blackop> what command should i use?
• 2250[17:12:03] <rawtaz> apt install firmware-amd-graphics?
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• 2252[17:12:14] <m0rd3cai> apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics
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• 2254[17:12:44] <m0rd3cai> or sudo apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics
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• 2256[17:13:02] <Bushmills> aptitude install install firmware-amd-graphics
• 2257[17:13:14] <Bushmills> (just a single "install")
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• 2259[17:13:53] <blackop> Package “firmware-amd-graphics” has no installation candidate
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• 2261[17:14:20] <Bushmills> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
• 2262[17:14:21] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-security/non-free: 20161130-5~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-1~bpo9+2; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; bullseye/non-free: 20190717-1; sid/non-free: 20190717-1
• 2263[17:14:32] <Bushmills> non-free ... add to sources.list
• 2264[17:14:38] <blackop> How?
• 2265[17:14:59] <humbot> thought you just did that
• 2266[17:15:04] <rawtaz> are you on buster?
• 2267[17:15:05] <m0rd3cai> blackop: replaced-url
• 2268[17:15:09] <Bushmills> using an interactive sources.list customisation frontend. aka "text editor"
• 2269[17:15:11] <blackop> Yes
• 2270[17:15:28] <blackop> in installation i guess i didnt say Yes to nonfree
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• 2272[17:15:47] <blackop> the problem is i cant boot in desktop
• 2273[17:15:53] <blackop> i m in recovery mode now
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• 2275[17:16:00] <blackop> as root
• 2276[17:16:02] <rawtaz> you dont need to. you just need to add one or two lines to a file in your filesystem
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• 2278[17:16:22] <blackop> I dont know how to do that. I am newbie
• 2279[17:16:43] <humbot> and also a network connection will be needed
• 2280[17:16:49] <m0rd3cai> you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and append non free to the end of each repo. read the article i posted.
• 2281[17:16:55] <blackop> What if i start installation again and say Yes to nonfree?
• 2282[17:17:09] <blackop> i connected via ethernet at the moment
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• 2287[17:17:40] <Bushmills> sources.list is in /etc/apt
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• 2291[17:17:50] <Bushmills> !sources.list
• 2292[17:17:51] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 2293[17:18:14] <user_> need help with `cp: error writing '/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new': No space left on device` on livedvd of debian -> deduced that said pathname is mounted as readonly squashfs
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• 2296[17:18:40] <Bushmills> behind "main", add "contrib non-free" (no quotes) - "contrib" may not be needed.
• 2297[17:18:55] <kreyren> need help with `cp: error writing '/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new': No space left on device` on livedvd of debian -> deduced that said pathname is mounted as readonly squashfs
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• 2299[17:19:02] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
• 2300[17:19:02] <dpkg> Sorry kreyren, you're not online.
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• 2302[17:19:16] <humbot> heheh
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• 2304[17:19:19] <kreyren> need help with `cp: error writing '/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new': No space left on device` on livedvd of debian -> deduced that said pathname is mounted as readonly squashfs
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• 2306[17:19:26] <kreyren> dpkg: ping
• 2307[17:19:26] <dpkg> Yes, kreyren you are either online or you are not... replaced-url
• 2308[17:21:06] <trek00> kreyren: why do you want to copy initrd on a live linux?
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• 2312[17:21:54] <kreyren> trek00: mostly bcs i broke FCC on PCB that is used by disks
• 2313[17:21:56] <kreyren> then SPEED
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• 2317[17:22:18] <blackop> i added non free at the end all the lines
• 2318[17:22:20] <kreyren> *FFC
• 2319[17:22:30] <blackop> i did apt update but failed to fetch
• 2320[17:22:42] <blackop> could not resolve deb.debian.org
• 2321[17:22:44] <trek00> kreyren: well, I think you can't write to squashfs
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• 2323[17:23:06] <kreyren> trek00, figured that much, any way to tell dpkg to use different location for initrd or disable it ?
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• 2325[17:23:44] <trek00> kreyren: I think you need to create a persistent live usb stick, then you can modify it
• 2326[17:23:58] <humbot> they want to boot to ram
• 2327[17:24:06] <kreyren> trek00, tried that already replaced-url
• 2328[17:24:15] <humbot> maybe they could explain it better
• 2329[17:24:19] <kreyren> if disconnected -> I/O err
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• 2331[17:24:36] <kreyren> humbot, yep O.o
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• 2333[17:24:56] <humbot> ;)
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• 2336[17:25:43] <humbot> if you can't find someone who knows about this here, you might have to ask in debian-live on oftc, or in a knoppix channel or look at their docs
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• 2338[17:26:00] <kreyren> asked in debian-live but none seems to answer
• 2339[17:26:19] <kreyren> looked at docs already and it confused me even more O.o
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• 2341[17:26:44] <kreyren> i guess i could mount something on it
• 2342[17:27:04] <kreyren> nah i cant nwm
• 2343[17:27:05] <blackop> replaced-url
• 2344[17:27:31] <trek00> kreyren: I don't remember details about live usb sticks, but I remember that with the persistence enabled, you could write directly to the unionfs, like to /boot and but you can never write to squashfs, it is read-only only :)
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• 2346[17:28:15] <trek00> blackop: yes it's good
• 2347[17:28:37] <blackop> But Could not resolve deb.debian.orh
• 2348[17:28:38] <blackop> orh
• 2349[17:28:40] <blackop> org
• 2350[17:28:55] <humbot> i guess they need to remake an initrd which will pass on to the squashfs loaded to ram instead of on the device, and still use the overlay on top of that
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• 2352[17:29:12] <kreyren> blackop, `ping google.com` returns true?
• 2353[17:29:17] <kreyren> if not configure /etc/resolv.conf
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• 2356[17:29:37] <blackop> name or service not known
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• 2358[17:30:02] <kreyren> configure /etc/resolv.conf then .. you want nameserver <ipv4/ipv6> alike nameserver 1.1.1.1
• 2359[17:30:13] <kreyren> !resolv.conf
• 2360[17:30:13] <dpkg> /etc/resolv.conf is a resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It is written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>.
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• 2362[17:30:44] <trek00> kreyren: you can blacklist/configure you modules than try update-initramfs -u
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• 2364[17:31:12] <kreyren> trek00, checking
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• 2366[17:33:25] <kreyren> trek00, elaborate?
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• 2369[17:33:55] <kreyren> humbot, seems that it needs to write in `/lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new` so it woudn't probably help to remake initrd
• 2370[17:34:19] <kreyren> like nvidia-driver needs access there to make module etc..
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• 2372[17:34:43] <trek00> kreyren: you need to rebuild initrd for some reason?
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• 2377[17:35:25] <no_gravity> Just noticed that CTRL+D closes the current screen window. Why does that happen?
• 2378[17:35:37] <kreyren> trek00, dpkg want to do it for nvidia-driver
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• 2381[17:35:45] <trek00> no_gravity: ctrl+d means EOF, end of file
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• 2383[17:36:24] <kreyren> trek00, replaced-url
• 2384[17:37:17] <no_gravity> trek00: Oh, so bash which is listening to stdin thinks "ah, end of input. nothing more to do. let's die."?
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• 2389[17:38:21] <trek00> kreyren: we should figure out at first why initramfs-tools is trying to write to /lib/live/mount/medium/live/initrd.img.new and not /boo/initrd.img
• 2390[17:38:30] <trek00> no_gravity: exactly
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• 2392[17:38:49] <no_gravity> trek00: Interesting. Thanks!
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• 2396[17:41:44] <trek00> kreyren: can you paste the output of mount ?
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• 2398[17:42:13] <kreyren> trek00, replaced-url
• 2399[17:42:22] <EdePopede> it is still not possible to have a working mouse in text terminal while X is running?
• 2400[17:42:38] <EdePopede> oh wait. i could test the mouse from the other pc...
• 2401[17:42:51] <humbot> findmnt is nice
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• 2405[17:43:55] <B|ack0p> hi again.. finally on irssi now
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• 2408[17:44:24] <humbot> on a live usb the kernel and initrd are not in the squashfs
• 2409[17:44:29] <EdePopede> wth. it is a mouse without a cable. moving the cursor worked instantly, but i had to wait for clicks?
• 2410[17:44:48] <B|ack0p> i added non free packages and ran update but no change.. still boot stuck at Resuming from hibernation
• 2411[17:45:01] <trek00> kreyren: you had not enabled persistence, it may be a problem with upgrades/packages installation
• 2412[17:45:10] <B|ack0p> still gpu firmware not loaded..
• 2413[17:45:25] <trek00> kreyren: actually it is trying to write to RAM, but it consumed all the space
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• 2415[17:46:40] <humbot> you need to install the packages previously mentioned now B|ack0p, linux-firmware-nonfree is one i think
• 2416[17:48:08] <trek00> B|ack0p: what vga card do you have?
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• 2419[17:49:08] <B|ack0p> trek00: old ATI mobility radeon x1300
• 2420[17:49:18] <trek00> EdePopede: to use mouse on textual console, you need gpm instlled
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• 2422[17:49:37] <trek00> B|ack0p: you need apt install firmware-amd-graphics
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• 2424[17:50:01] <B|ack0p> let me try
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• 2426[17:50:29] <EdePopede> trek00: i know, but iirc it doesn't work with X running? didn't have the situation for nearly 2 decades now, so no idea
• 2427[17:50:34] <B|ack0p> unable to locate packages
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• 2430[17:51:02] <humbot> here doesn't mention it replaced-url
• 2431[17:51:08] <kreyren> trek00, RAM has 19G free space
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• 2434[17:51:16] <trek00> EdePopede: me too i don't use gpm anymore, but it should coexists fine with X
• 2435[17:51:20] <kreyren> trek00, persistence flag in kernel cmdline?
• 2436[17:51:23] <EdePopede> or is it possible to use a 2nd mouse with gpm alongside? attaching the other one only made the normal mouse behaving jealous again, but else works
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• 2439[17:51:33] <trek00> kreyren: yes
• 2440[17:51:56] <kreyren> trek00, i was trying persistence_path but i try persistence too, any way to fix this from runtime atm?
• 2441[17:52:10] <trek00> B|ack0p: well, after adding non-free to sources.list, you need apt update
• 2442[17:52:14] <humbot> here it says it's supported replaced-url
• 2443[17:52:27] <B|ack0p> trek00: i did already
• 2444[17:52:40] <trek00> kreyren: no idea, live usb sticks are black magic :)
• 2445[17:52:47] <kreyren> o.O
• 2446[17:52:59] <B|ack0p> added non free to the sources list
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• 2448[17:53:04] <kreyren> or any way to load it without squashfs ?
• 2449[17:53:06] <B|ack0p> and ran update
• 2450[17:53:08] <trek00> B|ack0p: on buster?
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• 2452[17:53:16] <B|ack0p> trek00: yes debian 10 buster
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• 2454[17:53:55] <humbot> sorry i linked the jessie package by mistake, buster says the same
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• 2456[17:54:20] <B|ack0p> i added `contrib non-free` at the end of each lines
• 2457[17:54:22] <B|ack0p> after `main`
• 2458[17:54:36] <B|ack0p> 6 lines there are
• 2459[17:54:55] <B|ack0p> can i enable mouse here? i cant use it
• 2460[17:55:10] <B|ack0p> to copy-paste
• 2461[17:55:28] <Bushmills> you could, but it a: needed another package, and b: depended on the console editor whether it will be any good
• 2462[17:55:41] <trek00> kreyren: you can try to mount -oremount,size=5G /usr/lib/live/mount/medium
• 2463[17:55:42] <Bushmills> copy paste would do in about any editor
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• 2466[17:56:05] <Bushmills> you'd add package gpm
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• 2471[17:56:30] <kreyren> trek00, O.O
• 2472[17:56:36] <trek00> B|ack0p: apt-cache search -n firmware | grep amd is empty?
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• 2475[17:57:02] <kreyren> trek00, seems to work O.o
• 2476[17:57:15] <trek00> kreyren: then try again to install nvidia, but without persistence you will need to reinstall it every time
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• 2478[17:58:16] <kreyren> df -h
• 2479[17:58:19] <kreyren> mb
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• 2481[17:58:34] <kreyren> trek00, solved ^^ thanks ^^
• 2482[17:58:42] <trek00> good :)
• 2483[17:59:36] <B|ack0p> trek00: WARNING: apt doesnt have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
• 2484[17:59:44] <Bushmills> just informative
• 2485[17:59:54] <trek00> B|ack0p: but we are not scripting now ;)
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• 2487[17:59:55] <B|ack0p> apt-cache returned with this warning
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• 2489[18:00:15] <kreyren> ^ someone should change that warning on INFO it's misrepresenting
• 2490[18:00:25] <trek00> B|ack0p: you actually have problems adding non-free repository, as it can't find amd package
• 2491[18:00:28] <Bushmills> "ote:"
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• 2494[18:00:31] <Bushmills> "note:"
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• 2496[18:00:42] <B|ack0p> trek00: what can i do? :(
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• 2498[18:00:57] <B|ack0p> for days i am trying to get a stable linux.. i tried ubuntu and failed. now debian
• 2499[18:01:03] <Bushmills> you forgot to "apt update"
• 2500[18:01:08] <B|ack0p> Bushmills: i did
• 2501[18:01:20] <B|ack0p> and apt -y upgrade as well
• 2502[18:01:55] <EdePopede> > O0o.oops(): [daemon/add_mouse.c(90)]: Use -m device -t protocol [-o options]!
• 2503[18:02:01] <EdePopede> wth is the 1337 crap?
• 2504[18:02:20] <Bushmills> apt show firmware-amd-graphics
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• 2507[18:03:02] <B|ack0p> Bushmills: returned with a lot of amd list
• 2508[18:03:07] <Bushmills> apt install firmware-amd-graphics
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• 2510[18:03:09] <B|ack0p> i cant scroll up
• 2511[18:03:15] <trek00> EdePopede: it can't find mouse
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• 2513[18:03:38] <Bushmills> that "show" was jus tto make sure that editing sources.list and update was successful
• 2514[18:03:44] <EdePopede> trek00: no, that pseudo timestamp at the start of line
• 2515[18:03:53] <B|ack0p> firmware-amd-graphics already newest 20180114-1
• 2516[18:04:10] <EdePopede> had it before in the tty, didn't even see that the 2nd character is a 0
• 2517[18:04:11] <B|ack0p> 20190114-1 8
• 2518[18:04:12] <Bushmills> means you have it installed
• 2519[18:04:13] <trek00> EdePopede: source code file with line number
• 2520[18:04:16] <B|ack0p> yes
• 2521[18:04:25] <B|ack0p> but still it fails to load ati gpu at boot
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• 2523[18:04:42] <EdePopede> trek00: no
• 2524[18:04:56] <trek00> B|ack0p: do you have installed xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ?
• 2525[18:04:57] <B|ack0p> and stuck at Resuming from hibernation
• 2526[18:05:01] <trek00> EdePopede: good
• 2527[18:05:09] <B|ack0p> trek00: i did install mesa driver
• 2528[18:05:15] <B|ack0p> let me show u which
• 2529[18:05:41] <Bushmills> then it may be time to try (as user, not as root) to run startx
• 2530[18:06:04] <B|ack0p> apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati
• 2531[18:06:39] <Bushmills> (startx is in package xinit, in case you don't have it)
• 2532[18:06:41] <B|ack0p> i installed packages and driver as root
• 2533[18:06:57] <EdePopede> oh, there's a dedicated channel. nice.
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• 2535[18:07:21] <B|ack0p> what can i do?
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• 2539[18:08:21] <Bushmills> explore your personal limits, maybe?
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• 2543[18:10:27] <trek00> B|ack0p: what error message you get?
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• 2550[18:11:39] <B|ack0p> finally i logged in
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• 2553[18:11:51] <trek00> good! :)
• 2554[18:11:51] <B|ack0p> but why is this terminal has white background instead of black?
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• 2557[18:12:03] <Bushmills> depends on "this"
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• 2559[18:12:07] <trek00> B|ack0p: it depends by the terminal setting
• 2560[18:12:14] <trek00> B|ack0p: what terminal?
• 2561[18:12:16] <B|ack0p> is it white by default?
• 2562[18:12:20] <B|ack0p> debian terminal
• 2563[18:12:24] <B|ack0p> debian 10
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• 2565[18:12:25] <Bushmills> other answer may be "because you didn't change its settings"
• 2566[18:12:54] <B|ack0p> is it white by default?
• 2567[18:12:59] <trek00> B|ack0p: update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator
• 2568[18:13:00] <humbot> you made it to the desktop B|ack0p ?
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• 2570[18:13:13] <Bushmills> xterm -bg blue
• 2571[18:13:16] <B|ack0p> humbot: yes finally! ?(
• 2572[18:13:19] <B|ack0p> :)
• 2573[18:13:20] <humbot> \o/
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• 2577[18:14:02] <B|ack0p> trek00: still white.. should i close and open again?
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• 2579[18:14:12] <humbot> fantastic, for a bit there i thought it wasn't going to work
• 2580[18:14:17] <B|ack0p> by the way debian 10 is running slower than i expected
• 2581[18:14:21] <trek00> B|ack0p: no, it's not windows ;))))
• 2582[18:14:23] <B|ack0p> humbot: me too
• 2583[18:14:32] <B|ack0p> trek00: but still whit
• 2584[18:14:34] <B|ack0p> white
• 2585[18:14:37] <humbot> newest windows driver seemed to be from 2015 for windows 7
• 2586[18:14:38] * extor has a sources.list file from a year ago that was apparently created when squeeze was stable and when presumably buster was testing. With the system not having been touched for a year, what needs to be changed in the sources.list before running apt update in order to result in either a stable squeeze or a stable buster system replaced-url
• 2587[18:14:47] <magic_ninja> I'm trying to use krunner to run a command
• 2588[18:14:48] <trek00> B|ack0p: please to tell me the output of command i sent you
• 2589[18:14:56] <magic_ninja> it doesn't seem to want to
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• 2593[18:15:30] <humbot> my terminal changed i think when i switched desktop theme to dusk
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• 2595[18:15:39] <humbot> but that is xfce :þ
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• 2597[18:15:40] <dvs> !tell extor about release notes
• 2598[18:15:41] <magic_ninja> Warning: Could not start program 'rspithos' with arguments 'rspithos'.
• 2599[18:15:47] <magic_ninja> Warning: execve: Exec format error
• 2600[18:15:51] <B|ack0p> trek00: replaced-url
• 2601[18:16:01] <B|ack0p> why is it so slow? :/
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• 2604[18:16:13] <trek00> B|ack0p: may be gnome?
• 2605[18:16:17] <B|ack0p> maybe..
• 2606[18:16:24] <B|ack0p> ubuntu gnome was faster
• 2607[18:16:29] <trek00> B|ack0p: you can try xfce
• 2608[18:16:29] <B|ack0p> but bad graphics
• 2609[18:16:50] <magic_ninja> Ubuntu's gnome was probalby newer. IIRC there were a ton of bug fixes in recent versions.
• 2610[18:17:05] <B|ack0p> ok
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• 2612[18:17:26] <B|ack0p> another thing i am next to modem but when i say search network it cant find any connection wireless
• 2613[18:17:32] <Bushmills> which program is slow?
• 2614[18:17:42] <B|ack0p> i am currently on terminal/irssi
• 2615[18:17:58] <Bushmills> hard to say what is slow with generalized statement "debian is slow" or "gnome is slow"
• 2616[18:17:59] <B|ack0p> and firefox is open i guess
• 2617[18:18:01] <trek00> B|ack0p: may be you need drivers for you wifi too?
• 2618[18:18:09] <Bushmills> well, use a faster terminal
• 2619[18:18:18] <B|ack0p> trek00: definitely.. intel pro ..
• 2620[18:18:19] <Bushmills> many use xterm or rxvt
• 2621[18:18:19] <B|ack0p> something
• 2622[18:18:20] <trek00> Bushmills: gnome is slow :)
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• 2624[18:18:44] <Bushmills> gnome is an agglomeration of parts
• 2625[18:18:51] <Bushmills> some may be slower than others
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• 2627[18:18:54] <humbot> maybe it's a GL problem with the driver
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• 2630[18:19:17] <B|ack0p> how can i install intel wifi drivers/
• 2631[18:19:17] <B|ack0p> ?
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• 2633[18:19:29] <B|ack0p> and change this terminal color? it will make me blind
• 2634[18:19:43] <m0rd3cai> apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
• 2635[18:19:49] <Bushmills> xterm -bg "#333333"
• 2636[18:19:53] <m0rd3cai> if its intel wireless
• 2637[18:19:57] <trek00> Bushmills: libgtk themes are slow, gnome shell is slow.. it leaks memory, it runs javascript in the main thread... too many things to count
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• 2641[18:21:53] <B|ack0p> it s laggy
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• 2645[18:22:41] <Bushmills> many like mate or xfce4 as replacement for gnome
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• 2647[18:22:57] <cbthree> i installed Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) on my samsung chromebook 3 and everything works just fine. The only issue i have is that the microphone does not work, that is: no audio input from built in microphone. Can anyone help me overcome this problem?
• 2648[18:23:10] <cbthree> chtrt5650 is my audio device
• 2649[18:23:11] <m0rd3cai> Xfce4 for the win. I got rid of Gnome couple years ago and ive been real happy with xfce4
• 2650[18:23:16] <Bushmills> partly because they prefer the "old" gnome user interface, partly because those are zippier
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• 2653[18:23:37] <m___> back with wifi! thanks all for your help :)
• 2654[18:23:39] <Bushmills> cinnamon is also enjoying growing popularity
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• 2658[18:24:35] <trek00> cbthree: it seems unsupported: replaced-url
• 2659[18:24:38] <black0p> i better use xfce or something because i noticed some annoying
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• 2661[18:25:08] <m0rd3cai> black0p: definitely recommend xfce. alot easier to customize. much more lightweight.
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• 2663[18:26:07] <black0p> very laggy
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• 2665[18:26:13] <black0p> apt-get install xfce/
• 2666[18:26:14] <black0p> ?
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• 2668[18:26:24] <dvs> ,v xfce4
• 2669[18:26:25] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- jessie: 4.10.1; stretch: 4.12.3; bullseye: 4.12.5; buster: 4.12.5; sid: 4.12.5
• 2670[18:26:25] <Bushmills> mind the trailing "4"
• 2671[18:26:47] <trek00> black0p: you have an old card, whatever desktop you will use, remember to disable compositing!
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• 2674[18:27:04] <black0p> ok
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• 2676[18:27:33] <black0p> sudo apt install xfce4
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• 2678[18:28:21] <cbthree> trek00, the microphone *does* work on several chromebook models but it seems my chromebook audio device is somewhat problematic when it comes to the microphone
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• 2682[18:29:24] <black0p> another thing. how can i get this grub menu? > replaced-url
• 2683[18:29:38] <black0p> i dont want grub with background. this blue one is cool
• 2684[18:30:07] <Bushmills> interesting, popcon finds that gnome is on the descend, and has been for a few years: replaced-url
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• 2690[18:32:41] <black0p> brb reboot
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• 2692[18:33:18] <trek00> Bushmills: nice, it lost 1/3 of users in 3 years replaced-url
• 2693[18:33:25] <humbot> don't forget the goodies
• 2694[18:34:10] <trek00> cbthree: there are error messages? alsamixer shows your mic?
• 2695[18:34:36] <cbthree> how can i find out?
• 2696[18:34:40] <EdePopede> Bushmills: tried to compare against kde, mate... not even kde seems really relevant?
• 2697[18:34:47] <Bushmills> trek00: seems that there's still hope
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• 2700[18:35:09] <Bushmills> plasma-desktop is stagnating, at numbers lower than xfce4
• 2701[18:35:13] <trek00> cbthree: sometimes inspecting /var/log/syslog you can see some messges related to your hardware
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• 2711[18:42:15] <trek00> replaced-url
• 2712[18:42:17] <trek00> :)
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• 2714[18:45:19] <ilikeyou> pulled this from another channel. for the kde ppl: replaced-url
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• 2716[18:46:01] <Bushmills> none gaining really hard. looks like everyone is waitung for the new killer-environment
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• 2718[18:46:13] <trek00> ilikeyou: these .desktop files introduced by redhat/freedekstop/xdg
• 2719[18:47:10] <ilikeyou> hmm i c
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• 2722[18:47:22] <trek00> Bushmills: it seems xfce+cinnamon+mate is where gnome users gone
• 2723[18:47:27] <B|ackop> xcfe is super fast
• 2724[18:47:35] <B|ackop> feels like 20 yrs ago lol
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• 2726[18:47:49] <Bushmills> trek00: indeed, and also quite expected
• 2727[18:47:55] <B|ackop> icons/style looks too ancient
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• 2729[18:48:06] <trek00> ilikeyou: to make desktop simpler, like windows, many security holes will be opened, like windows :)
• 2730[18:48:44] <OerHeks> ilikeyou, old news, already fixed in KDE Frameworks 5.61.0
• 2731[18:48:44] <EdePopede> nothing against (optional!) directory specific settings, but desktops really shouldn't trying to copy all the crap windows (or apple) did during the last 20 years. or 30.
• 2732[18:48:49] <trek00> B|ackop: try another theme :)
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• 2734[18:49:06] <B|ackop> i like it. it suits on my old laptop :p
• 2735[18:49:08] <Bushmills> B|ackop: cinnamon looks more modern than xfce4, while still being quite fast. seems to have taken a lot from compiz desktop
• 2736[18:49:17] <B|ackop> but i wanna change grub background
• 2737[18:49:19] <trek00> EdePopede: totally agree
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• 2739[18:49:38] <B|ackop> Bushmills: it is ok. i need to get use to debian and xcfe then i can change things
• 2740[18:49:47] <ilikeyou> trek00: sad but true :(
• 2741[18:49:49] <B|ackop> first how can i change grub background?
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• 2744[18:50:22] <humbot> in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub
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• 2746[18:50:30] <B|ackop> replaced-url
• 2747[18:50:39] <B|ackop> i want this default one without background
• 2748[18:50:40] <B|ackop> it is cool
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• 2751[18:50:54] <B|ackop> humbot: i checked that but there s no line about background
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• 2754[18:51:30] <Bushmills> wasn't it enough to simply remove the background image?
• 2755[18:51:33] <humbot> oh that is not gfxmode
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• 2757[18:51:54] <Bushmills> sorry, long time ago that i did make grub boot menu minimal.
• 2758[18:52:02] <B|ackop> here is my /etc/default/grub : replaced-url
• 2759[18:52:17] <trek00> B|ackop: may be uninstall grub-splashimages
• 2760[18:52:22] <B|ackop> how?
• 2761[18:52:27] <cbthree> dillo, a web browser which most of my fellow GNU/Linux users call abandonware (last version was released over 4 years ago) is in the official debian repo but netsurf is not. netsurf latest version was released less than a month ago and the one before that was released in August last year
• 2762[18:52:43] <dvs> B|ackop, or uncomment GRUB_CONSOLE?
• 2763[18:52:46] <trek00> B|ackop: apt remove grub-splashimages
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• 2765[18:53:19] <B|ackop> ok
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• 2768[18:53:33] <B|ackop> which one? uncomment GRUB_CONSOLE or remove splash image?
• 2769[18:53:59] <trek00> cbthree: surf is in buster
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• 2771[18:54:10] <ilikeyou> grub-customizer worked for me, if i may say. GUI, if ur ok with it..
• 2772[18:54:11] <cbthree> surf?
• 2773[18:54:14] <Bushmills> get rid of images
• 2774[18:54:22] <dvs> B|ackop, up to you but I think GRUB_TERMINAL=console will get you the look in your picture
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• 2776[18:54:35] <B|ackop> let me try
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• 2778[18:54:53] <cbthree> trek00, surf is not replaced-url
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• 2780[18:55:14] <B|ackop> by the way is there on screen indicator symbols like as gnome on xcfe for volume up/down?
• 2781[18:55:18] <trek00> cbthree: sorry, get confused by names
• 2782[18:55:21] <B|ackop> mute ..etc ?
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• 2785[18:56:21] <humbot> there's a panel plugin
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• 2787[18:56:33] <Bushmills> volume indicators when pushing hardware volume buttons exist and show (cinnamon), so they can presumably show with xfce4 too
• 2788[18:57:08] <humbot> oh the shaded temporary display works yes
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• 2790[18:57:35] <Bushmills> looking like replaced-url
• 2791[18:57:42] <B|ackop> Bushmills: not showing. it was one of the problems i faced in ubuntu-gnome.
• 2792[18:58:11] <B|ackop> Bushmills: how can i get it working?
• 2793[18:58:32] <Bushmills> i did nothing for those, came configured by default
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• 2795[18:59:20] <B|ackop> i dont know why is it a problem for me.. in ubuntu i couldnt get them working either..
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• 2797[18:59:20] <Bushmills> how to enable in xfce4, if that's necessary, I have no idea.
• 2798[18:59:29] <trek00> cbthree: it seems that netsurf does not support javascript like dillo: have you ever try firefox with javascript disabled? it's really fast
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• 2800[18:59:36] <B|ackop> on this old laptop only. on other laptops they are working
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• 2802[19:00:22] <trek00> B|ackop: there is a configuration window on xfce, with all the plugins (like volman) if i remember right
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• 2804[19:00:26] <Bushmills> old laptop here too
• 2805[19:00:39] <Bushmills> (if 7 or 8 years can be called "old")
• 2806[19:00:48] <B|ackop> what about 13 yrs old? :p
• 2807[19:00:51] <B|ackop> ancient maybe lol
• 2808[19:01:07] <B|ackop> trek00: i am checking. thx
• 2809[19:01:18] <trek00> if a computer runs fine it can't be ancient, it's only well tested ;)
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• 2812[19:01:55] <Bushmills> matter of terms used. I'd usually not refer to my devices as "old" even though others would
• 2813[19:02:01] <humbot> “The Thinkpad hotkeys aren't all handled the same way : Some are captured as ACPI, some aren't”
• 2814[19:02:06] <B|ackop> i couldnt find xcfe configs..
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• 2816[19:02:33] <B|ackop> humbot: my other thinkpads hotkeys working fine on ubuntu but not this one
• 2817[19:02:33] <trek00> B|ackop: it's at the top of menu
• 2818[19:02:35] <Professor1> hello
• 2819[19:02:48] <Professor1> can someone help me with a console script
• 2820[19:02:57] <Bushmills> how should we know?
• 2821[19:03:00] <cbthree> trek00, web pages were displayed way better in netsurf. dillo is very lacking in features and browsing with it is very infuriating sice it does not display most webpages properly
• 2822[19:03:02] <trek00> Professor1: sure, ask and wait
• 2823[19:03:33] <Professor1> bconfig = {basebet: 0.00000002, wait: 700};
• 2824[19:03:34] <Professor1> hilo = 'lo';
• 2825[19:03:34] <Professor1> stopped = false;
• 2826[19:03:34] <Professor1> multiplier = 2.00;
• 2827[19:03:34] <Professor1> rollDice = function()
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• 2832[19:03:54] <Bushmills> !paste
• 2833[19:03:54] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 2834[19:03:59] <Professor1> that is the script
• 2835[19:04:10] <Professor1> ok
• 2836[19:04:24] <trek00> cbthree: I never tried netsurf, but there are so many bugs on web rendering engines, that i can't trust browsers without large userbase, disabling javascript on firefox you'll get more than 10x improvement
• 2837[19:04:53] <Bushmills> shell scripts don't like decimal points in arithmetic expressions
• 2838[19:04:55] <trek00> Professor1: what language?
• 2839[19:05:58] <Professor1> replaced-url
• 2840[19:06:14] <trek00> cbthree: to be honest there are many things to disable on firefox :) replaced-url
• 2841[19:06:17] <Bushmills> start script with a hashbang
• 2842[19:06:20] <cbthree> trek00, dillo has been abandoned and netsurf is currently/actively being developed
• 2843[19:06:26] <Bushmills> !hashbang
• 2844[19:06:26] <dpkg> i heard shebang is the "hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w". replaced-url
• 2845[19:06:31] <Professor1> it is a script you paste into your browsers console for ther casino site freebitco.in
• 2846[19:06:40] <trek00> Professor1: this is javascript, running under nodejs may be?
• 2847[19:06:57] <Professor1> i think java script, yes
• 2848[19:07:09] <Professor1> heard of pascal and cobalt b4
• 2849[19:07:20] <Professor1> so the script, bets a minimum
• 2850[19:07:31] <trek00> Professor1: it's really out of scope here
• 2851[19:07:40] <Professor1> usually, you would declare a variable, basebet and assign it a value
• 2852[19:07:58] <trek00> cbthree: i was talking about firefox (with javascript off)
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• 2858[19:10:13] <Professor1> all i know is that you can paste it into the developer tools> console, then you press enter and it works
• 2859[19:10:18] <Professor1> it is javascript
• 2860[19:10:27] <cbthree> a friend who i believe runs archlinux on his Pentium 4 (yes, Pentium 4) is very happy with netfsurf. Firefox was unbearably slow and for all purposed unusable, used to constantly crash on the Pentium 4 with and without javascript enabled.
• 2861[19:10:29] <Professor1> i want to add a basebet to the program
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• 2864[19:11:12] <trek00> cbthree: you should try to disable javascript on firefox and you get netsurf comparable performances
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• 2866[19:11:29] <Professor1> i can give you some other examples of these console scripts if you like
• 2867[19:11:44] <trek00> cbthree: sorry I read now last sentence
• 2868[19:11:45] <Bushmills> I had some instability issues with netsurf too. That was on ARM SBCs
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• 2870[19:12:09] <Professor1> i remember netscape navigator gold 3.02
• 2871[19:12:19] <Professor1> has a webpage builder on it
• 2872[19:12:27] <m0rd3cai> quick question, if a private key was deleted and I still have the private part of the key, it is possible to create another public key based on the private key?
• 2873[19:12:35] <cbthree> trek00, he did disable javascript on Firefox and still it was dead slow and unstable. Remember, it is a Pentium 4 we are talking about.
• 2874[19:12:36] <m0rd3cai> public key deleted*
• 2875[19:12:46] <Professor1> i uploaded a picture of YODA from starwars on the replaced-url
• 2876[19:13:14] <Professor1> replaced-url
• 2877[19:13:15] <Bushmills> m0rd3cai: "private key was deleted and I still have the private part of the key" - i guess you'll have to device whether or not it was deleted
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• 2879[19:13:32] <Professor1> goto this website and use the ' Bip 39 ' to get your public ket
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• 2881[19:13:41] <Professor1> or replaced-url
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• 2884[19:13:54] <cbthree> Professor1, and i remember mosaic. What is your point?
• 2885[19:14:18] <Bushmills> m0rd3cai: if public key was used anywhere, you can retrieve it from there. If it wasn't, just create a new key pair
• 2886[19:14:26] <Professor1> aww.. its just a good browser i thought. browsers now a days dont have webpage editors
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• 2888[19:15:00] <m0rd3cai> Bushmills: yes i messed the explanation. Public key was deleted from pc on accident. I still have the private portion of the key (saved in the router for admin access). Can i rebuild the public key with the private portion of key. the only issue with just creating a new one is being locked out of 4-5 systems locked down by that key.
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• 2890[19:15:26] <Bushmills> get the public key from one of those 5 systems
• 2891[19:15:52] <Bushmills> as long as you have the private key, you still have access
• 2892[19:15:57] <Professor1> I believe something like a bip 39 will work for your old public key. doesn't it list all possible key combinations
• 2893[19:16:15] <Professor1> i dunno
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• 2895[19:17:40] <m0rd3cai> Bushmills: ok, ill give that a shot when I get onsite. thanks
• 2896[19:18:04] <Professor1> Always keep a paper copy of yuor crypto keys
• 2897[19:18:31] <Bushmills> yes, an stick it to the wall, where everybody can take a photo of it
• 2898[19:18:51] <oiaohm> Bushmills: replaced-url
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• 2900[19:19:03] <Bushmills> oiaohm: -> m0rd3cai
• 2901[19:19:10] <humbot> oh my
• 2902[19:19:33] <trek00> Bushmills: paper copy of crypto keys is a good think may be closed with a physical key
• 2903[19:20:09] <oiaohm> m0rd3cai: replaced-url
• 2904[19:20:29] <humbot> blackop uncommented GRUB_TERMINAL=console and never came back :o
• 2905[19:20:31] <oiaohm> m0rd3cai: the pem file is not just the private key is the pair.
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• 2907[19:20:58] <oiaohm> Bushmills: sorry about the opps.
• 2908[19:21:13] <Bushmills> no problem, nobody got hurt
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• 2915[19:25:46] <m0rd3cai> oiaohm: i will have to check for the .pem as of this moment I can only find the private key contents saved in my router.
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• 2917[19:27:18] <oiaohm> m0rd3cai: you do have to check if that private key is a pem fire all not.
• 2918[19:27:28] <oiaohm> fire/file
• 2919[19:27:57] <Professor1> Always save your keys on a piece of paper, not just on electronics
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• 2926[19:32:27] <trek00> Professor1: I agree, always print your keys and seal them in a locked strongbox
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• 2933[19:34:14] <Professor1> there are different ways to store your keys electronically, but on a piece of paper is the other way
• 2934[19:34:51] <Professor1> you can store it electronically 100 different ways, doesn't mean the infor cant be lost. watch out for the city wide blackout
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• 2947[19:43:00] <rant> I sew mine into the waist band of my underwear with a read thread in binary.. over for a 1, under for a 0 :D
• 2948[19:43:09] <rant> s/read/red/
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• 2950[19:44:43] <Nothing4You> is there something like netfilter-persistent + iptables-persistent for nft?
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• 2953[19:47:22] <Bushmills> Nothing4You: I write firewall commands to file including the commands, then load that file from interfaces or whatever is meant to activate or add to those rules
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• 2955[19:48:09] <Bushmills> Seems to me easier to maintain compared to a snapshot of current firewall configuration
• 2956[19:49:17] <Nothing4You> i mean it's mostly a wrapper for iptables-save anyways
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• 2958[19:50:27] <Nothing4You> with nftables i guess i have to do something like `nft list ruleset > /etc/nftables.conf` in addition to including "!/usr/sbin/nft -f\nflush ruleset" at the top
• 2959[19:50:55] <trek00> Nothing4You: may be this help you? replaced-url
• 2960[19:51:30] <trek00> Nothing4You: nft -f ruleset.nft could do the trick
• 2961[19:51:38] <Nothing4You> trek00: that's just for loading
• 2962[19:51:55] <Nothing4You> i'm looking for the "intended" way of persisting current rules
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• 2964[19:53:21] <trek00> Nothing4You: in same wiki, may be ebtables-nft-save?
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• 2969[19:54:41] <SerajewelKS> i use scripts to generate an nft config and pipe it to nft -f -
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• 2971[19:55:16] <SerajewelKS> it's easier to maintain for me; i can use variables and other shell tools to auto-generate multiple sections
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• 2973[19:55:57] <trek00> SerajewelKS: I totally agree, it's simpler to audit
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• 3015[20:23:09] <rant> I dont even get a chance to read whats on the screen and think about the answer before it pops the damn question up again
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• 3057[20:44:10] <galaxie> Hi, I'm attempting to upgrade from Jessie to Stretch. I acquired an older machine and it had Jessie backports in the sources.list. Didn't work. I replaced it with what I assume is the right URL (archive.debian.org), but then it's giving "Updates for this repository will not be applied" - should I worry about Jessie backports at all?
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• 3059[20:44:27] <asymptotically> i think that you should remove the backports from your sources.list
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• 3061[20:44:51] <galaxie> asymptotically: So it's not important for upgrading at this step?
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• 3063[20:45:31] <humpled> jessie-backports no longer exists
• 3064[20:46:02] <trek00> galaxie: backports are newer version of packages ported to older debian version, so if you upgrade debian, you'll get these newer versions without the need of a backport
• 3065[20:46:03] <galaxie> humpled: I can see that, I just was wondering if the archive would help with upgrading a few packages first or something.
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• 3067[20:46:32] <galaxie> trek00: Ah, OK, that makes sense now.
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• 3072[20:48:22] <cbthree> trek00, buster-backports repo features quite a few packages whose names are not at all familiar to the vast majority of debian users. Moreover, linux 5.x is nowhere to be found there.
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• 3113[21:16:23] <B|ack0p> hi
• 3114[21:17:03] <diogenes_> hi
• 3115[21:17:05] <B|ack0p> when i set the time for my location clock is disappearing from the top panel xfce.
• 3116[21:17:39] <B|ack0p> i remove clock and re-add again then it appears but when i reboot it changes the clock back to default time not my location
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• 3120[21:19:02] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, that's a bug and here is the workaround that worked for me, you set the locationa nd whatever then, you don't close the properties dialog but just log out and log back.
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• 3122[21:19:21] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: is that the solution? O.o
• 3123[21:19:28] <B|ack0p> odd solution lol
• 3124[21:19:32] <B|ack0p> but ok if it works
• 3125[21:19:59] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, yes that's odd because if you close properties dialog, the clock disappears and you lose all the settings.
• 3126[21:20:02] <diogenes_> weird bug.
• 3127[21:20:08] <B|ack0p> another problem with location/keyboard layout that how can i put language selection bar in top panel?
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• 3129[21:20:27] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: is that bug related with xfce only?
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• 3131[21:20:37] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, add keyboard layout plugin to the panel.
• 3132[21:20:52] <B|ack0p> hmm let me check
• 3133[21:21:03] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, that bug is related to that clock plugin, there is a better one called orage, you can try that one.
• 3134[21:21:27] <B|ack0p> where can i choose language? there is no language in default items
• 3135[21:21:36] <B|ack0p> when i try to add to panel-1
• 3136[21:21:51] <B|ack0p> i dont know to put/install plugins :/
• 3137[21:21:57] <diogenes_> you need to set the languages in the settings > keyboard first
• 3138[21:21:58] <B|ack0p> i am new in debian and xfce
• 3139[21:22:15] <B|ack0p> i did. i added 2 keyboard layout
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• 3141[21:22:35] <diogenes_> ad now, tight click on the panel > panel > add new items
• 3142[21:22:53] <diogenes_> look for Keyboard Layouts
• 3143[21:22:56] <B|ack0p> panel preferences > panel-1 > add items ?
• 3144[21:23:14] <diogenes_> yes to the panel you want.
• 3145[21:23:20] <B|ack0p> there s no language bar
• 3146[21:23:25] <B|ack0p> nothing about language
• 3147[21:23:40] <diogenes_> screenshot
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• 3149[21:24:04] <B|ack0p> ok
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• 3152[21:24:37] <B|ack0p> lol i cant even take screenshot.. it needs another addon i think
• 3153[21:24:47] <B|ack0p> not much ready apps like ubuntu
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• 3155[21:24:56] <diogenes_> hit insert
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• 3157[21:25:00] <diogenes_> or print
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• 3159[21:25:22] <diogenes_> host to imgur
• 3160[21:25:54] <B|ack0p> i have prtscr button but there is no app to take screenshot in debian :p
• 3161[21:25:57] <B|ack0p> fresh installed today
• 3162[21:26:06] <B|ack0p> and i dont know how to use debian ..
• 3163[21:26:13] <diogenes_> ok open terminal
• 3164[21:26:19] <B|ack0p> ok
• 3165[21:26:39] <diogenes_> run: xfce4-screenshooter
• 3166[21:26:41] <B|ack0p> i am familiar with ubuntu because it is easy but debian is a bit complicated for me
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• 3168[21:27:06] <diogenes_> it's not about distro
• 3169[21:27:13] <diogenes_> it's about desktop environment
• 3170[21:27:26] <B|ack0p> :~$ xfce4-screenshooter
• 3171[21:27:26] <B|ack0p> bash: xfce4-screenshooter: command not found
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• 3173[21:27:42] <diogenes_> sudo apt install xfce4-screenshooter
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• 3175[21:28:10] <B|ack0p> ok wait.. i will take screenshot
• 3176[21:28:14] <jhutchins> ,v roundcube
• 3177[21:28:15] <judd> Package: roundcube on amd64 -- stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u3; stretch-security: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-4+deb9u3; bullseye: 1.3.8+dfsg.1-2; buster: 1.3.8+dfsg.1-2; sid: 1.3.8+dfsg.1-2; experimental: 1.4~rc1+dfsg.2-1
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• 3179[21:28:29] <B|ack0p> no luck
• 3180[21:28:32] <B|ack0p> doesnt take
• 3181[21:29:08] <diogenes_> did you install?
• 3182[21:29:15] <B|ack0p> yes
• 3183[21:29:21] <diogenes_> run: xfce4-screenshooter
• 3184[21:29:25] <diogenes_> in terminal
• 3185[21:29:27] <B|ack0p> ok
• 3186[21:31:20] <humbot> mine works on the PrtSc key
• 3187[21:32:07] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: replaced-url
• 3188[21:32:17] <B|ack0p> humbot: everything is buggy for me on this old laptop :/
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• 3192[21:33:13] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, now look at mine: replaced-url
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• 3194[21:33:33] <Mathisen> B|ack0p, sudo apt install xfce4-goodies
• 3195[21:33:38] <diogenes_> and i repeated several time, the name of the plugin is Keyboard layout and not language
• 3196[21:33:40] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: i cant open imgur images..
• 3197[21:33:51] <diogenes_> read what i said ^^^
• 3198[21:33:53] <B|ack0p> blocked here..
• 3199[21:33:55] <B|ack0p> ok
• 3200[21:34:09] <diogenes_> and use some vpn if you want.
• 3201[21:34:13] <jhutchins> That's odd. Maybe I never noticed before, but it seems like tap-to-click isn't working.
• 3202[21:34:51] <B|ack0p> ok
• 3203[21:34:53] <diogenes_> jhutchins, yes, because buster comes woth no synaptic driver, i had to install that one to get tap-to-click.
• 3204[21:35:51] <jhutchins> Another odd thing, aptitude upgrade just installed a new kernel. I tought that required full-/dist-upgrade
• 3205[21:36:33] <jhutchins> Stretch, with synaptic installed.
• 3206[21:36:49] <diogenes_> jhutchins, what DE?
• 3207[21:36:54] <jhutchins> I think I'll reboot. xfce
• 3208[21:37:03] <B|ack0p> i installed goodies..
• 3209[21:37:13] <B|ack0p> xfce is really ugly lol
• 3210[21:37:29] <Mathisen> xfce is ugly as default but really easy to customize
• 3211[21:37:31] <jhutchins> I think I did too, and I don't find it ugly. Gnome yes.
• 3212[21:37:32] <diogenes_> jhutchins, replaced-url
• 3213[21:37:38] <Mathisen> you should have more panels now if you installed goodies
• 3214[21:38:04] <B|ack0p> i put keyboard layout in panel it shows big country flag. it would be nice just letters like `EN` or `DE` `FR` instead of flag
• 3215[21:38:08] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, fire up a live manjaro and you can see how beautiful xfce can be, you wn't even tell that is xfce.
• 3216[21:38:10] <jezebel> dist-upgrade is about whether your installed packages will be removed
• 3217[21:38:16] <jhutchins> Goodies installed as well.
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• 3219[21:38:47] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, right click and properties and Show layout as: text
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• 3221[21:39:12] <B|ack0p> if i can install manjaro as a pack i would like to try. earlier i installed a theme but icons were lacking so it looked like an old patched cloth
• 3222[21:39:25] <jhutchins> diogenes_: I got burned badly enough by mandrake that I have no interest in manjaro. That distro has always put appearance over function.
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• 3224[21:39:37] <humbot> i always change the word 'Applications' in the panel to 'menu'
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• 3226[21:39:50] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: cool thx for that. now it shows text only
• 3227[21:39:52] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, herw is how you try it in your browser: replaced-url
• 3228[21:39:56] <diogenes_> just click start
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• 3232[21:40:26] <B|ack0p> ok
• 3233[21:40:32] <diogenes_> jhutchins, i don't like it either, just how they theme xfce is cool i thought.
• 3234[21:41:24] <B|ack0p> another issue with pulse audio is when i push volume buttons on my keyboard it doesnt show up on screen display. but when i set volume in pulse audio itself manually it shows up.. how can i make my keyboard buttons show on screen display on?
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• 3238[21:43:01] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, go to settings > notifications > applications and see if volume control is enabled.
• 3239[21:43:12] <diogenes_> enable them all.
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• 3241[21:44:03] <jezebel> if you're using pulseaudio. check the panel plugin settings
• 3242[21:44:13] <Mathisen> also make sure you have pavucontrol installed
• 3243[21:44:36] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: yes it is enabled
• 3244[21:45:10] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, now right click on the volume icon > properties > show notifications ...
• 3245[21:45:12] <humbot> it did say on the wiki that not all keys seem to be recognised by acpi
• 3246[21:45:17] <B|ack0p> jezebel: in panel plugin settings it is also enabled " enable keyboard shortcuts for volume control
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• 3248[21:45:34] <B|ack0p> also show notifications is enabled too
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• 3250[21:45:56] <B|ack0p> humbot: in ubuntu i had acpi faulty maybe it effects on debian too :/
• 3251[21:46:09] <B|ack0p> but it works on windows with proper drivers
• 3252[21:46:13] <jezebel> are you on a laptop?
• 3253[21:46:16] <B|ack0p> yes
• 3254[21:46:19] <B|ack0p> thinkpad
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• 3256[21:46:27] <jezebel> have you tried googling what other people have odne with your model to set things up?
• 3257[21:46:44] <B|ack0p> i found something about that but couldnt manage it working
• 3258[21:46:46] <B|ack0p> let me show u
• 3259[21:46:53] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, you can try to boot the system with different acpi_osi combinations and maybe you're lucky to get everything working.
• 3260[21:46:53] <karlpinc> B|ack0p: It is possible that you need non-free firmware? Do the logs say anything?
• 3261[21:47:19] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
• 3262[21:47:25] <jezebel> i'm on a x230, running xfce, the multimedia keys work
• 3263[21:47:30] <B|ack0p> karlpinc: where can i check logs?
• 3264[21:47:41] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: how? in bios?
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• 3266[21:47:54] <diogenes_> B|ack0p, in grub menu.
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• 3268[21:49:15] <B|ack0p> here how that guy managed to work on screen display with volume buttons: replaced-url
• 3269[21:49:25] <B|ack0p> diogenes_: i dont know how to do that
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• 3271[21:49:51] <B|ack0p> jezebel: i have x230 too it is quite new comparing my t60
• 3272[21:50:37] <B|ack0p> i have t400 too i am sure everything would work on it without problem.. but t60 is somehow buggy
• 3273[21:50:43] <B|ack0p> even it is excellent machine
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• 3279[21:53:49] <Insanity_> Anyone here having issues with Steam + vulkandriverquery (proc). Each time I launch steam, it launches that proc which uses a steady 25% cpu power without actually running a game
• 3280[21:54:05] <Insanity_> I can just kill that proc each time I launch steam and everything runs just fine...
• 3281[21:54:13] <jezebel> B|ack0p… so which is it that you're having issues with? the t60? have you seen this? replaced-url
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• 3288[21:56:29] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
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• 3291[21:56:55] <jezebel> also look on replaced-url
• 3292[21:56:56] <B|ack0p> jezebel: we were reading same thing
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• 3297[21:58:11] <B|ack0p> volume up/down/mute doesnt work
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• 3299[21:58:35] <B|ack0p> i am not sure if screen brightness have onscreen display
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• 3301[21:58:49] <B|ack0p> i dont see bluetooth icon on top panel
• 3302[21:59:06] <B|ack0p> i didnt test it yet
• 3303[21:59:21] <B|ack0p> i installed nonfree intel wifi driver today and wifi working
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• 3305[21:59:55] <B|ack0p> i should test about 10 Fn key combinations.. i dont think i can get all of them working
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• 3317[22:00:56] <B|ack0p> if i can get on screen indicator symbols working i will be happy by now
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• 3321[22:01:28] <jezebel> you're not the first and wont be the last :)
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• 3323[22:01:51] <B|ack0p> first about?
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• 3325[22:02:21] <Cyb0ti> on screen indicator symbols
• 3326[22:02:22] <B|ack0p> i struggled a lot on this old laptop :p for me not that old but linux community thinks it is ancient lol
• 3327[22:02:57] <jezebel> installing debian on that hardware :)
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• 3330[22:03:33] <B|ack0p> i expected debian gives better solution than ubuntu :p
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• 3339[22:04:58] <Bushmills> maybe your machine is, after all, "old" indeed :)
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• 3343[22:05:23] <B|ack0p> yes i am getting use to it :/
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• 3347[22:06:02] <B|ack0p> but still i expect better support for old machines from Linux..
• 3348[22:06:03] <jezebel> some things will require workarounds, like key mapping or utility scripts
• 3349[22:06:06] <B|ack0p> it is not windows at all
• 3350[22:06:09] <jezebel> always been that way
• 3351[22:06:11] <cbthree> Bushmills, my machine is less than 2 years old but so far i haven't been able to solve the problem i reported
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• 3355[22:07:05] <jezebel> in the absence of manufacturer support, linux hardware support is predicated on someone knowledgable spending the time/energy to get it working ;)
• 3356[22:07:13] <Bushmills> recent machines can cause problems sometimes indeed, especially when support for specific hardware isn't there yet, or still buggy/incomplete
• 3357[22:07:43] <B|ack0p> right..
• 3358[22:07:50] <jezebel> just because it's old, doesnt mean it will work :D
• 3359[22:08:05] <B|ack0p> lol
• 3360[22:08:12] <Bushmills> it's often a good idea to avoid the very last of hardware available if you plan to use it with Linux
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• 3363[22:09:20] <jezebel> you have more chances there will be someone if you're using popular hardware like thinkpads though
• 3364[22:09:41] <B|ack0p> is there a tool to check installed devices and not working devices like device manager in windows?
• 3365[22:09:52] <B|ack0p> to show if their drivers installed properly
• 3366[22:10:02] <B|ack0p> and see problematic devices
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• 3368[22:10:07] <Bushmills> or you look what's inside the machine. some stuff is better supported than others
• 3369[22:10:29] <cbthree> Bushmills, my machine is not the latest hardware!
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• 3375[22:11:38] <Bushmills> then our ideas of what defines the age of a machine may differ
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• 3377[22:12:06] <B|ack0p> this is my full spec: replaced-url
• 3378[22:12:07] <Bushmills> possible difference between purchasing and developing/building
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• 3380[22:12:46] <jezebel> define 'working'
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• 3384[22:14:23] <Bushmills> "the machine transfers energy to its surroundings" :)
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• 3386[22:14:41] <jezebel> oh i meant B|ack0p's question
• 3387[22:14:58] <Bushmills> glad to help out
• 3388[22:15:14] <B|ack0p> to see which devices causing problem in linux
• 3389[22:15:49] <B|ack0p> u know in windows there is device manager which shows device list and drivers.. if there is devices without driver it shows as unknown device
• 3390[22:16:01] <jezebel> it depends, but check your kernel logs i guess
• 3391[22:16:09] <B|ack0p> var/log ?
• 3392[22:16:17] <jezebel> /var/log/messages
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• 3400[22:17:51] <jezebel> kern.log if you wanna be more specific
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• 3402[22:18:39] <joepublic> liquid hydrocarbon fuel can be used to cause a given machine to transfer energy to its surroundings, though this is rarely optimal
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• 3404[22:19:08] <Bushmills> but it's work in a thermodynamical sense
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• 3406[22:19:24] <Bushmills> that doesn't say anything about efficiency
• 3407[22:19:48] <Bushmills> justs about increasing entropy
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• 3409[22:20:52] <joepublic> I have an AMD FX that gets pretty hot, too.
• 3410[22:21:33] <Bushmills> it has a sticker on it saying "the end of the universe is nigh"
• 3411[22:21:50] <joepublic> well, for various definitions of "nigh"...
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• 3413[22:22:30] <B|ack0p> kern.log is large file, i couldnt paste it
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• 3440[22:36:22] <trek00> B|ack0p: to get a list of your devices you can use lspci -k and you can check if most important things (audio, video, network, usb) have a kernel module loaded
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• 3443[22:37:00] <jhutchins> Turns out the solution on stretch/buster is to REMOVE synaptic and install libinput and Xev
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• 3451[22:43:34] <B|ack0p> in kern.log there are some warnings and failures
• 3452[22:43:40] <B|ack0p> trek00:
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• 3455[22:45:12] <B|ack0p> replaced-url
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• 3458[22:46:26] <trek00> B|ack0p: it seems it's all working
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• 3469[22:50:45] <B|ack0p> and the solution is : replaced-url
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• 3471[22:51:00] <B|ack0p> finally volume buttons working!
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• 3473[22:51:36] <B|ack0p> cat /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_all_mask > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_mask
• 3474[22:52:41] <B|ack0p> does it show same on screen display for screen brightness in your systems?
• 3475[22:52:53] <B|ack0p> or there is not for brightness already?
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• 3478[22:54:00] <coruja> B|ack0p, maybe you want to install hardinfo (or something similar), a gui system/hardware monitor tool
• 3479[22:54:15] <B|ack0p> maybe
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• 3492[22:59:15] <B|ack0p> hardinfo shows OPenGL unknown
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• 3498[22:59:55] <B|ack0p> brb to reboot
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• 3521[23:07:20] <B|ack0p> 2 issues; 1- it doesnt save my command `cat /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_all_mask > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/hotkey_mask`
• 3522[23:07:30] <B|ack0p> it disables hotkeys after reboot
• 3523[23:07:38] <B|ack0p> i had to apply the command again to enable it
• 3524[23:07:52] <B|ack0p> 2- keyboard layout plugin on top panel doesnt change layout..
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• 3535[23:14:13] <trek00> B|ack0p: is the module loaded? lsmod | grep thinkpad_acpi
• 3536[23:14:32] <B|ack0p> let me check
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• 3541[23:15:34] <B|ack0p> trek00: replaced-url
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• 3543[23:16:16] <galaxie> Upgrade to Stretch worked flawlessly, or, at least, I haven't found anything wrong yet.
• 3544[23:17:07] <trek00> B|ack0p: don't know why it need this workaround then
• 3545[23:17:57] <B|ack0p> at the end of the article he applied new commands which enables screen brightness hotkeys as well.. it is fantastic to get it working but i dont know how to save all of those
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• 3549[23:18:30] <trek00> B|ack0p: which url? :)
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• 3551[23:18:51] <B|ack0p> trek00: replaced-url
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• 3553[23:18:53] <B|ack0p> this one
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• 3555[23:19:03] <B|ack0p> guy solved the problem with hotkeys
• 3556[23:19:13] <karlpinc> galaxie: May as well go to buster.
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• 3558[23:19:15] <B|ack0p> also 2-3 Fn combinations working
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• 3560[23:19:21] <B|ack0p> not all but some
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• 3563[23:20:18] <B|ack0p> i would like to thank him :) he mentions that not sure if it saves the configs because he didnt reboot yet. no update about it..
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• 3567[23:20:46] <B|ack0p> so as i tested after reboot all the settings disappearing
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• 3576[23:24:12] <roflbot> I have problems using two different usb cdroms on my debian machine. Tested on a raspberry pi now, and works great. What could be stopping it from working on my main computer? cdparanoia -Q just tells me that "Drive is neither a CDROM nor a WORM device" while on the raspberry with raspian it works as expected.
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• 3584[23:25:43] <jhutchins> roflbot: define "using". Define CDROM - drive or disk? Define "works".
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• 3590[23:28:17] <trek00> B|ack0p: it seems there was a bug marked as fixed #521280 about these hotkeys, anyway you can put workaourd commands to rc.local (before the exit 0 line)
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• 3593[23:28:18] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3594[23:28:46] <trek00> B|ack0p: /etc/rc.local
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• 3601[23:30:11] <B|ack0p> trek00: there s no /etc/rc.local should i create one?
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• 3603[23:31:33] <humpled> the proper answer is probably no, use systemd,
• 3604[23:31:45] <humpled> but we don't know about that so yes
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• 3606[23:32:08] <B|ack0p> :~$ ls -l /etc/rc.local
• 3607[23:32:08] <B|ack0p> ls: cannot access '/etc/rc.local': No such file or directory
• 3608[23:32:49] <humpled> create it as root, start with #!/bin/sh -e and end with exit 0
• 3609[23:32:57] <trek00> sorry may be systemd acts different,anyone knows how to add a command at boot?
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• 3613[23:35:47] <trek00> humpled: thanks :)
• 3614[23:36:31] <B|ack0p> let me try
• 3615[23:36:40] * B|ack0p brb to reboot
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• 3617[23:37:08] <BCMM> roflbot: can you pastebin dmesg output when you plug it in?
• 3618[23:37:09] <jhutchins> !rc.local
• 3619[23:37:09] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local may be used to run simple commands at boot time. It exists by default in jessie or older; in stretch you need to create it. Don't forget the <shebang> and be sure to chmod 755 it. rc.local is considered a hack, a stopgap, or a temporary band-aid; see <systemd>
• 3620[23:37:39] <BCMM> roflbot: a common problem with USB CD drives is that they technically draw more power than allowed by the USB spec, so the only work on some USB ports
• 3621[23:38:02] <BCMM> if you have usb3 ports, try it on one of those
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• 3627[23:39:55] <jhutchins> BCMM: We don't even know if he's talking about discs or external drives at this point. Yeah, some external USB drives have dual cables so they can draw on two ports, or a separate power supply.
• 3628[23:40:11] <roflbot> BCMM: I thought that at first, but then I got a old-school bulky cdrom with its own power supply.
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• 3633[23:41:07] <roflbot> the first I tried was normal usb-powered one
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• 3638[23:42:53] <deadmarshal> hi. how can I install open gl 4.1 on debian 10?
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• 3645[23:46:20] <asarch> I was doing a dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb on a USB stick however I had to interrupted (Ctrl+Z) and now I get "[ 5695.131040] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is on" every time I inserted the stick. How could I re-enable rw?
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• 3649[23:47:54] <BCMM> roflbot: ah, you're talking about a problem *disc*, not a problem drive?
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• 3651[23:48:13] <trek00> asarch: may be the simpler way is to reboot
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• 3653[23:48:29] <trek00> deadmarshal: what gpu?
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• 3656[23:50:17] <roflbot> no, a usb cd-rom, two actually, both do not work on my computer, with any disk. While on the rasberry - no problem
• 3657[23:50:52] <roflbot> I tried to modprobe sg sr_mod, but did not change anything, probably had the modules loaded already
• 3658[23:51:06] <deadmarshal> trek00: my gpu is ati hd turks 6670
• 3659[23:51:08] <trek00> asarch: may be i found another way, hdparm -r0 /dev/sdb
• 3660[23:51:15] <deadmarshal> asus
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• 3667[23:52:53] <trek00> deadmarshal: you need to install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
• 3668[23:53:16] <trek00> deadmarshal: and firmware-amd-graphics
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• 3671[23:53:41] <trek00> deadmarshal: replaced-url
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• 3673[23:54:16] <B|ack0p> laptop hinge got broken :/
• 3674[23:54:17] <deadmarshal> trek00: I already have both of them
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• 3676[23:54:44] <B|ack0p> old thinkpad couldnt resist more
• 3677[23:55:32] <trek00> roflbot: do you have usb3? you can check with lspci -k | grep xhci
• 3678[23:55:56] <trek00> deadmarshal: libgl1-mesa-dri is installed?
• 3679[23:56:19] <roflbot> xhci_hcd in use
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• 3681[23:56:56] <trek00> roflbot: is the usb cable attached to usb ports? (the blue ones)
• 3682[23:57:11] <trek00> roflbot: usb3 ports (blue)
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• 3685[23:57:38] <trek00> B|ack0p: :/
• 3686[23:57:44] <deadmarshal> trek00: yes it's installed
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• 3688[23:58:06] <roflbot> trek00: Im not 100% sure if I tried both usb3 and usb2 ports actually
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• 3691[23:59:39] <trek00> deadmarshal: what this command says? glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
• 3692[23:59:47] <karlpinc> trek00: Possibly he needs the non-free firmware? (I'm always harping on this, but it always catches me.) Sorry for not reading the backhistory.
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