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11[00:04:15] <Pr0metheus> jmcnaught found what i was looking for : fsarchiver
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38[00:13:48] <jmcnaught> Pr0metheus: cool, i'm not familiar with that tool but there are dozens of methods to backup/restore. Whichever tool you use I recommend testing that restoration works like you expect it to. Backups that don't restore aren't worth having :)
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55[00:18:34] <careta> hey guys
56[00:18:40] <careta> anyone here knows about dbus and apparmor?
57[00:18:49] <careta> I'm having problems getting Virtualbox to work properly under apparmor
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134[00:59:21] <tharkun> What is the maximum number of files a subdirectory can store?
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144[01:05:20] <tharkun> Disregard, I'm nowher near the limits of the FS
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157[01:11:39] <none> hi
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160[01:11:57] <none> i have a strange problem with the xscreensaver package
161[01:12:19] <none> i am using debian jessie
162[01:12:27] <tharkun> !tell none enter
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164[01:12:35] <tharkun> !tell none about enter
165[01:12:37] <none> xscreensaver is too old
166[01:12:48] <TomTomTosch> why is it too old?
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168[01:13:00] <none> it is the 5.30 version
169[01:13:02] <tvon> has it gone to carousel?
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171[01:13:09] <markybob> none: that doesn't answer the question
172[01:13:37] <TomTomTosch> none, it covers my screen just fine. what makes it too old for you? ;D
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174[01:14:51] <none> it shows me an error message "warning this version of xscreensaver is VERY OLD. Please upgrade it "
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177[01:15:05] <markybob> !snss
178[01:15:05] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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180[01:15:15] <TomTomTosch> oh, great. it's that day again :D
181[01:15:45] <none> it is a version of september 2014. TomTomTosch: it is too old because we are now in 2016 and it does have serious bugs
182[01:15:55] <markybob> none: that's because jessie froze in 2014
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184[01:16:11] <markybob> none: no, that's how debian stable works. once frozen it stays that way until the next release
185[01:16:35] <markybob> none: serious bug fixes and security fixes are patched. that's it.
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187[01:17:12] <TomTomTosch> none, what serious bugs did you experience?
188[01:17:27] <none> markybob: so i have to switch to testing to have the working version ? ( i need a secure way to have screen locked, and this version has a serious bug that makes it totally unuseful)
189[01:17:48] <markybob> none: it is secure. security bugs ARE patched and fixed
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192[01:18:03] <markybob> none: just no version bump. small tiny fixes
193[01:18:12] <TomTomTosch> none, so... what bug are ou talking about? :D
194[01:18:18] <none> TomTomTosch: if you use this version, you lock the screen with a vga cable (2 monitors) connected, it unlocks if somebody unplug the vga cable
195[01:18:37] <upp> hello i have a new install of debian 8.2 and when i run python meterpreter, and write a long line, the python interpreter crash
196[01:18:43] <upp> is that a know bug?
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198[01:19:11] <markybob> none: no it doesn't. i have an up to date debian with two monitors
199[01:19:33] <markybob> none: what you read about that version doesn't have anything to do with what happens in debian
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202[01:20:47] <markybob> none: debian backports security fixes, you see
203[01:20:59] <none> markybob: what version are you using ?
204[01:21:03] <jmcnaught> none: are you experiencing this bug?
205[01:21:15] <\ni> just in case it's Aprils 1 ppl (at least in this part of the globe)
206[01:21:20] <TomTomTosch> upp, you run the python interpreter?
207[01:21:30] <markybob> none: jessie. 5.30-1+deb8u1
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209[01:21:51] <none> i am going to test it right now.
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211[01:21:53] <TomTomTosch> upp, the one packaged for debian and not a custom build?
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213[01:22:08] <upp> TomTomTosch: i mean python 2.7
214[01:22:42] <none> the problem is, the lock frame was normal until today. But now it is larger and contains a warning about the fact that it is an old version. How is it possible ? o.O
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218[01:23:19] <markybob> none: no one knows what you did. i don't get that warning.
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220[01:23:47] <none> is there a sort of "debian pastebin" for screenshots ?
221[01:23:58] <none> i can upload a screeshot ..
222[01:24:10] <TomTomTosch> upp, maybe you can find something here that is similar to your case: replaced-url
223[01:24:12] <aarcane> so I'm in a bit of a strange dilemma. I can't find openvswitch-switch.service file anywhere.. but I need to set an override so that it runs between network-pre.target and network.target
224[01:24:17] <aarcane> running debian 8
225[01:24:24] <markybob> none: is the problem that you have a real security problem that you've tested or that you're paranoid about a warning that it's old?
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230[01:26:46] <none> markybob: i am trying to understand WHY i see this warning now and not a few days ago. And i am also going to test the cable thing, in minutes ..
231[01:28:05] <markybob> ,checkbackport xscreensaver
232[01:28:11] <judd> Backporting package xscreensaver in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual.
233[01:28:15] <markybob> none: if you're really paranoid ^^
234[01:28:43] <jmcnaught> aarcane: some Debian packages don't have .service units yet. systemd has a feature where it dynamically converts LSB init scripts into service units (making it backwards compatible with init scripts). There's probably a /etc/init.d/openvswitch-switch. You could make your own service unit and put it in /etc/systemd/system
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236[01:29:11] <somiaj> none: what software was upgraded between now and a few days ago? Part of being frozen is you shouldn't get software upgrading like that. Only other issue is a configuration change.
237[01:29:22] <somiaj> none: what piece of software is giving you this warning?
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239[01:30:01] <aarcane> jmcnaught, would I need to replicate the content of the LSB init script, or just add some before and after information?
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241[01:30:26] <gbeapo> CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. CHRISTEL CAN'T FINISH GMS. CHRISTEL CAN'T CURB STAFF ABUSE. CHRISTEL CAN'T RUN FREENODE ANYMORE! VOTE JZK! magenbrot THX1138 iszak vvande adamg xcpop DandyPandy_ break19 Psy-Q mz| bearface dArK_IcE jamie- sc_ seg Darcy Merixer shootbird Cueball abrotman prussian ths phate408 DeeEff LordDeath SM0TVI copec cherry_l1n eshlox eoli3n sputnik KNERD EnergyCoffee siloxid MrGeneral cerebro_ BearPerson Katharsis Fusl Zharf Anarchic mavhq wa
242[01:30:26] <gbeapo> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!aedinius obserd programmerq necronian thurstylark ircnode0 refx_ nebg_ zinx root4 Immanuel skule tapout jcara Guest41646 ceny infratom jhuebner Arroyo1010 somiaj TyrfingMjolnir moov grawity damentz_ Jurkki Dr_Disk clyster sparkleunicorn Guest49825 led_belly_ GGMethos PlasmaStar thunderrd_ Getafix74 julius hobbyquaker Echo6 vagarwal_ nevyn di
243[01:30:26] <gbeapo> CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. CHRISTEL CAN'T FINISH GMS. CHRISTEL CAN'T CURB STAFF ABUSE. CHRISTEL CAN'T RUN FREENODE ANYMORE! VOTE JZK! simonlnu Werring MrAlexandr0 Sammy8806 pugfantus defarge moov macrobat Elysia bfit Tr4sK donnoc ryouma Cabanossi ksx4system ephemer0l AJ_Z0 dayten alexbligh1 p8m skylite padawin_ autofsckk babard kimico infernix BlackPanx vincent_c tyler-baker Strife89|Quassel t0mb0- JRHaigh doebi movic Andreas33 mw patterson sc_ abra0 bxz ko
244[01:30:26] <gbeapo> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!relipse2 Zambezi deshka ceptor tokage rebrec sc0 cyris212 mz| grawity ghenry tulphoon systemd0wn noPW_TQM Quimby rpcope devel valeriusN babard LordDeath paulbarker abra0 oberstein spaceone AbyssOne Slumlord_ tcpman xnrand sewerinspector vivid Synthase_ riku1 kcj beatdown Anarchic mrMute root4 NyanCat NoteOn ]3n19m4[ Uninstall eki Siema Jonuz
245[01:30:26] <gbeapo> CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. CHRISTEL CAN'T FINISH GMS. CHRISTEL CAN'T CURB STAFF ABUSE. CHRISTEL CAN'T RUN FREENODE ANYMORE! VOTE JZK! Daniel0 rhizome simonlnu mateusz Piggy _jack_ ThomasJ JeremyE77 donofrio mrkebab nkuttler wewlad Ssquidly Ring0` Guest94552 sinseer magnulu riex _guios kbtr tdfischer trench elge Uninstall dvs Furai skule AciD` scubacuda Radex hanshenrik_ break19 Jojan keith4 cyphix abec0 arodrigu mrMute hns coruja karlpinc DandyPandy_ tattol
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248[01:30:45] <bearded> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!Slumlord_ Zambezi dijenerate Sh4d03_ Krakakanok diodesign Whathisname dpkg vkngpmhc markybob tolkor NickyP Guest94552 abec0 Puree judd Darcy chromas Keew_ blingrang ChrisH kodapa holmgren nse reveal mr_daemon kriskropd rOss^64 XDS2010 DrWeissbrot jmcnaught Neobenedict rdz livinskull Gm4n SerajewelKS jelly zupzupper Subfusc petemc batrick Spr1ng Ma
249[01:30:46] <bearded> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!Andocromn satbyy irc-5225225 pfote nse GegenRung r00twayne nickdastain ujjain jareth_ Piper-Off petan solarnetone mjolrin THX1138 RichiH mugimaru nurupo bezaban Dr-Shadow enki sander85 gniourf iflema Dagger Brian- zanshin koltrast asterismo_m cuddly_wumpums thedudez0r K4k ephesius roger_rabbit LordDeath yves_del_harlow edwardly mrlase NightMonkey
250[01:30:46] <bearded> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!littlebear guardian cwillu_at_work chen lmcloughlin rstone vindelschtuffen cerebro_ ]3n19m4[ pvoigt DonVitoCorleone Jarus pentiumone133 enoch85 cyberspace- afk11 blueness armin pfoo tabakhase GhostInTheShell robingr alexbligh1 nickle tlolczyk deetwelve fcharton hank53 floyin Ormm ajcrowe krion Lipp_ rhizome mossman_ mactimes_ kalebo EmleyMoor Ener
251[01:30:46] <bearded> CHRISTEL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FOSS CODE CONTRIBUTION. WHY IS THIS PERSON INTERESTED IN RUNNING FREENODE? VOTE FOR JZK ON STAFF ELECTION DAY! SpaceKoo- fred``` VampiricPadraig yusukesuzuki Ooze paperd av0idz bin_bash superusr well_laid_lawn Miga tobias1 boubou Sleepy63 TheReverend403 brizz xanadu_ dataio warraymos soee RobinC dings misiek200m kenneth piklu hyfrehyfre chimeracoder mr_daemon SM0TVI noname sander85 olegfusion nanoha-sama arodrigu peterS b
252[01:30:46] <bearded> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!phorce1 lbatalha_ Malinux {41444d494e} chachasmooth_ DeeEff filisko soahccc Guest94552 eki planetmaker Keridos Noturno Zyferus sendq teeteewhy Hydroxide devtea SerajewelKS distortedvoice DLmass Keew_ cbmuser JmZ_ dimon_ totonika_ Granis guardian JRHaigh beatdown johnnyfive n-st open-future Xjs|moonshine BinBasher Tr4sK skylite cydrobolt H4ndy reve
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254[01:30:55] <jmcnaught> aarcane: you could probably call the init script in the service unit's ExecStart=
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256[01:31:01] <premover> WHY CAN'T CHRISTEL MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO FINISH GMS? NOBODY RESPECTS CHRISTEL. CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. VOTE JZK. nighttime esaym153 CL Kobra Klumben fenns harmaahylje dave0x6d yacc_ k0nsl grim4593 linuxthefish ajcrowe Otyg Guest62885 Cerise_ Soul_Eater raspbeguy rob796 ckuehl ZeroBrea_ Orphis cy8aer Iridos rosseaux Jurkki Arroyo1010 Ishaq glitch13 musca JasonSW Tier__ James_T gonyere phrozen77 sewerinspector Amanas ephesius keevil_ K4k
257[01:31:01] <premover> CHRISTEL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FOSS CODE CONTRIBUTION. WHY IS THIS PERSON INTERESTED IN RUNNING FREENODE? VOTE FOR JZK ON STAFF ELECTION DAY! misiek200m SirLagz mete| ploopkazoo mastokley thurstylark hyfrehyfre CyberJacob meLon kam270 sysanthrope elge jaythelinuxguy Tier__ Saturn812 eir AlwaysHigh dreamon_ Synthase_ livcd Tachaikowsky mavhq Fistandantilus open-future blommer pugfantus lala Asoka ArchDuke AimHere vincent_c and
258[01:31:01] <premover> WHY CAN'T CHRISTEL MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO FINISH GMS? NOBODY RESPECTS CHRISTEL. CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. VOTE JZK. azizLIGHT DLange iflema elmcrest swaechter Dr_Disk Dinduks ws2k3 simonlnu thiagoss solarnetone deetwelve medicalwei sparetire_ brizz Katharsis debhelper gacekjk Xc3ls10r transhuman_ nighty- denisk sparkleunicorn TheReverend403 hank53 wyre mindstorm linuxthefish gigetoo FierceDeityLink petan Guest28258 BiGBOi croddy Bercik mad
259[01:31:01] <premover> CHRISTEL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FOSS CODE CONTRIBUTION. WHY IS THIS PERSON INTERESTED IN RUNNING FREENODE? VOTE FOR JZK ON STAFF ELECTION DAY! pbn ghenry himuraken rodarmor noid- azizLIGHT Ricardo__ mindstorm ThomasJ sewerinspector stnly FlamesOfEternity Pymous AsadH pfote DaIRCKing riex javak rednul amcorreia Jikan heinrich5991 basic` sussudio AndroidVaan Snakes JamesHa peer69_ dasher^0_o donnoc PhilSliderS moetunes Doo her0
260[01:31:01] <premover> CHRISTEL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FOSS CODE CONTRIBUTION. WHY IS THIS PERSON INTERESTED IN RUNNING FREENODE? VOTE FOR JZK ON STAFF ELECTION DAY! danieli tallbarr electro33 pushpop hohl AndroidVaan eb0t rosseaux Pseudo elysium pfote JackPH kbtr p_quarles CyberJacob wiak teeteewhy marko Saturn812 johnny0 cerebro_ unwanted heinrich5991 ArexR jareth_ js9600 Sloucher H4ndy slax0r Johann robotroll nhandler c0fe_machine drewdavis alexa
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262[01:31:02] <filisko> lol
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264[01:31:05] <bookdealer> CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. CHRISTEL CAN'T FINISH GMS. CHRISTEL CAN'T CURB STAFF ABUSE. CHRISTEL CAN'T RUN FREENODE ANYMORE! VOTE JZK! snow_bckspc Cork Granis Apeiron` Devastator tyll fred``` careta jelly M0ulin guardian keevil_ lf94 Lakii frazr beelion milobit deathleff nb-ben jeezy belowzero mxtm aarcane movic marcoslater squarecircle ix007 l0xas turfrex ScottE p0g0 thorrr _jack_ Fistandantilus pbn epsilon teeteewhy Olipro Ticho_ olegfusion kyle__ HelloShitt
265[01:31:05] <bookdealer> WHY CAN'T CHRISTEL MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO FINISH GMS? NOBODY RESPECTS CHRISTEL. CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. VOTE JZK. qdk nicdev` BlackPanx trobotham thallera1 vaelen marcozink Immanuel bxz xKoren duracrisis karstensrage bedouin_ korhojoa ancky KpuCko Dreamix kitallis Brutix_ tvon jareth_ Kamilion disposable vkngpmhc rootd00d yan__ monty Lakii gr8ron aZz7eCh programmerq vila WebDawg Druid kbtr AsadH Tyrant_ NotJimCarrey alexbligh1 Ishaq Zerant ghenry marcoslater M
266[01:31:05] <bookdealer> WHY CAN'T CHRISTEL MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO FINISH GMS? NOBODY RESPECTS CHRISTEL. CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. VOTE JZK. dustpuppy chimeracoder tokage TriJetScud rstone semajnz denisk f4cl3y teraflops Kulrak Rockj altin r0ryy walking skapunker mdorenka Amun_Ra azmodeus desrt totonika_ sidmo_ crank1988 Sick JonathanD ajcrowe TsukiRa1 JasonSW Zumochi mechfrog VampiricPadraig beelion stunder akitada Sciuro bfit RaiNerTsuFal Apeiron` clion dataio autofsckk BackEndCoder k
267[01:31:05] <bookdealer> CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. CHRISTEL CAN'T FINISH GMS. CHRISTEL CAN'T CURB STAFF ABUSE. CHRISTEL CAN'T RUN FREENODE ANYMORE! VOTE JZK! volter magyar free_speech raspbeguy Jojan Sthebig Dev0n_ mypapit betaboon thebwt spaceone zerick simonlnu crank1988 freanux [BNC]dimitry7 Fjorgynn FierceDeityLink BackEndCoder calebwill rsully lss9 DrOwl ghoti Cybertinus Kobaz MrHyde Xanthor analyser ectospasm axk4545 mr_daemon spleen mukmuk deetwelve CL zymurgy Werring Stardus
268[01:31:05] <bookdealer> CHRISTEL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FOSS CODE CONTRIBUTION. WHY IS THIS PERSON INTERESTED IN RUNNING FREENODE? VOTE FOR JZK ON STAFF ELECTION DAY! stealthii Scotteh suckawha hinderaker rdz rednul Ard1t lakcaj heinrich5991 platschi jhuebner heurist danieli f4cl3y babilen l0xas heap_ tinyhippo Ooze jesopo KindOne scardinal nyuszika7h ceptor bdeferme cherti sukaeto boubou tobias1 sparty zwox moonlight tabris|away xKoren hoxu[thor] rosten simonlnu Dreamix S
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272[01:31:06] <ceny> ...
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274[01:31:14] <cydrobolt> !ops
275[01:31:14] <asterismo_m> mdfer
276[01:31:14] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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278[01:31:17] <bridoon> CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. CHRISTEL CAN'T FINISH GMS. CHRISTEL CAN'T CURB STAFF ABUSE. CHRISTEL CAN'T RUN FREENODE ANYMORE! VOTE JZK! Dreamix spaxx pythonsnake ribasushi k_apo yoh spleen desrt yusukesuzuki peterrooney pugfantus mete| nugit Nach0z Dan_au soahccc netengio_ NoteOn ColtonDRG cyris212 egos_ monpocchi tokage antonp crank1988 vindelschtuffen blazed_ sunnid zack6849 cherti gonyere catsup Guest43739 afx237 Haxxa Attoy CrazyTux[w] chalcedony Druid jesop
279[01:31:17] <bridoon> CHRISTEL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FOSS CODE CONTRIBUTION. WHY IS THIS PERSON INTERESTED IN RUNNING FREENODE? VOTE FOR JZK ON STAFF ELECTION DAY! penguinguru sinseer Zerant xcpop BackEndCoder none rpcope programmerq Elysia Tempesta RagingComputer ELLIOTTCABLE zymurgy anonnumberanon sysanthrope tswett SPF necronian na1rb MonsterKiller_ r3m terabit tomaw shad0VV sunnymilk taylorbyte Fusl Ool Eryn_1983_FL Joost hobbyquaker churnd tlund axk4545 hexagoxel KN
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281[01:31:17] <TheReverend403> Who's christel?
282[01:31:19] <Malinux> what's going on?!
283[01:31:21] <hanshenrik_> CENY CANT CODE LOLFUCK
284[01:31:22] <NyanCat> !ops assholes
285[01:31:22] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nyancat complains about: assholes
286[01:31:23] <shootbird> who's bernie?
287[01:31:23] <cydrobolt> !ops spam
288[01:31:24] <DrDoofenshmirtz> !ops spam
289[01:31:28] <none> somiaj: xscreensaver
290[01:31:28] <filisko> :S
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292[01:31:31] <shootbird> !ops berniesupporters
293[01:31:32] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: shootbird complains about: berniesupporters
294[01:31:36] <hanshenrik_> lol
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296[01:31:45] <Scotteh> ah of course
297[01:31:49] <NyanCat> after the 4th, 5th or 6th time of spam iterations i'm surprised that there isn't some sort of automatic intervention script
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299[01:31:52] <basic`> i personally <3 christel
300[01:31:52] <TheReverend403> Why are you spamming the ops, it's clearly already being handled at the network level lmao
301[01:31:52] <truantship> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!jeddi darxun Trieste rtur Akufen pentiumone133 MrDetonia vandox NaStYdoG ToBeCloud Maikel Subfusc manningx IdleGandalf shootbird betaboon lrvick Internet13 CosmicRay egos_ moonlight Stummi Junaos_ Noskcaj Stanto seg shifty relipse PryMar56 p8m mcfrisk iooner MrAlexandr0 axc1298 DrWeissbrot emlow ujjain Puree tulphoon iou
302[01:31:52] <truantship> CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. CHRISTEL CAN'T FINISH GMS. CHRISTEL CAN'T CURB STAFF ABUSE. CHRISTEL CAN'T RUN FREENODE ANYMORE! VOTE JZK! edwardly hN3 Gm4n enki Lione Lipp_ KakuRoze JamesHa ignasio ws2k33 rootd00d edog breitenj ploopkazoo wolfmitchell Tempesta Wug Seldon case39 zBob dustpuppy mns manningx mx204 madmattco Guest50706 geekthattweaks m4rCsi_ Kyoshiro ledixus tristero ckuehl Guest27224 ustreamer-81981 martintrojer sparetire_ cyp
303[01:31:52] <truantship> CHRISTEL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FOSS CODE CONTRIBUTION. WHY IS THIS PERSON INTERESTED IN RUNNING FREENODE? VOTE FOR JZK ON STAFF ELECTION DAY! bin_bash tswett evilman_work Xoib Dagger CowboyNeal Sigyn Cork duoi DeeEff ashnur Xjs|moonshine zupzupper bemawi pelegreno McLive int0x27h misprint_ ohljo well_laid_lawn IdleGandalf TheOne1 topi` r0ryy mrlase peterS swym goberle_ Stanto berceanu_ coolmadmax OneM_Industries rvchangu- mec
304[01:31:52] <truantship> WHY CAN'T CHRISTEL MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO FINISH GMS? NOBODY RESPECTS CHRISTEL. CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. VOTE JZK. wolfmitchell Fusselkater Kulrak cy8aer APLU Cork jareth_ Dewi pelegreno alexandros_c Guest27224 Helheim vagarwal_ Vjetar hust921 ujjain Louis atomi kanzure hobbyquaker glitch13 K1rk Qann CyberJacob paperd mantsid diytto zwiep` Windows98 Iiiak Tyrant_ ashka boxrick1 m4rcu5_ PatienceZero mpmc oberstein sz0 kloeri lbatalha_ n-st
305[01:31:52] <truantship> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!crash_ drewdavis LeandroLuiz jeezy darxmurf joelpet galeido LargerMon cuddly_wumpums oberling squarecircle beatdown zykotick9 n0ok mgodzilla t0m0 t0mb0- Emmanuel_Chanel cheapie sweatsuit digilink papey Rockj ashka raphyduck mete| hohl yusukesuzuki Bryanstein pbrzozow- pitelpan jeremie__ benaiah Willis timmu breitenj Void
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308[01:31:56] <Scotteh> what a quality user
309[01:31:56] <cashbox> CHRISTEL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FOSS CODE CONTRIBUTION. WHY IS THIS PERSON INTERESTED IN RUNNING FREENODE? VOTE FOR JZK ON STAFF ELECTION DAY! MrBy JPT grassass cyris212 B[]rG monpocchi Bert_2 dbristow peterrooney michaelni olblak CustosL1men acrocity berndj felon- xnrand Xoib dayten ChanServ seprob Guest43739 grim4593 Sammy8806 Emmanuel_Chanel elky daemonkeeper FlamesOfEternity Laris husqar Hobbyboy dgncn Rymax99 qoreQyaS apt hyfrehyfre FoolishO
310[01:31:56] <cashbox> CHRISTEL DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FOSS CODE CONTRIBUTION. WHY IS THIS PERSON INTERESTED IN RUNNING FREENODE? VOTE FOR JZK ON STAFF ELECTION DAY! ParkerR blaisebool keevil_ technohehl kbtr ejcx semajnz Fusselkater Internet13 imrekt nanoha-sama drewdavis ckuehl Hello71 danmackay rootd00d zymurgy pentiumone133 Modeuse datasmurf infernix nathanhi j3roen polyphagia cliluw petemc pastures1 n13z aibot tobias1 metaKin lmoreira xKoren percY- Redfoxmoon reli
311[01:31:56] <cashbox> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!ZodoTurtle WebDawg harmaahylje Sammy8806 Log1x unlike Dewi dimon_ Sleepy63 rgr WangDang detha WakiMiko egos_ nirel tomaluca95 Dreamix Katharsis Pucilowski Hello71 jamesc TiCPU testi judd dgncn micronn Xoib mdel onur Guest43739 ^v diytto screedo asterismo_m xar- hobbyquaker CustosL1men pushpop Amun_Ra totokaka sukaeto upp elky brabo pastures
312[01:31:57] <cashbox> WHY CAN'T CHRISTEL MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO FINISH GMS? NOBODY RESPECTS CHRISTEL. CHRISTEL CAN'T CODE. VOTE JZK. Strogg brizz screedo terabit denisk osxi_ SynrG goberle_ eoli3n cvr Scotteh CosmicRay Helheim topi` t0mb0- freakyy tomocha__ devec0 tyler-baker siloxid keevil_ ephemer0l manningx mindstorm tikun eshlox tulphoon pbrzozow- Madgod xcpop snoogie_ jhuebner pipeep Iridos Furai teclo- Rurd2di noodle cherry_l1n shingouz Cabanossi at0m dbristow p0rt Sh4d
313[01:31:57] <cashbox> SPB IS AN ENEMY OF FREE SOFTWARE. SPB WILL STEAL YOUR CODE. SPB CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO RUN FREENODE. VOTE JZK 2016!Ool umbSublime crazydiamond BaW xSmurf Amplificator nbb rogst siloxid blueness ghostdog mibo firztspawn ptx0 jamesc jbenhaim sweatsuit gmichael azizLIGHT Quimby binwiederhier jeddi bradjones stew shifty krion papitfx Fusselkater kbtr pkv Ricardo__ Doo tabris|away datasmurf ChrisH jcara DonVitoCorleone DXR meLon heurist pfote terxx _KaszpiR_
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315[01:32:00] <aibot> get the wrong idea. you want to attend the funeral in simi valley, california, but the president who is this person interested in running streams
316[01:32:05] <none> markybob: i have just tested it. plugged and unplugged the vga cable while screen was locked ..
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318[01:32:06] <ashka> welp
319[01:32:07] <Asoka> SPAM!!!!!!!
320[01:32:10] <MrDetonia> huh
321[01:32:11] <hanshenrik_> shootbird, the f does this spam have to do with "berine supporters" ?
322[01:32:14] <none> markybob: it works ok
323[01:32:16] <vindelschtuffen> Don't you think you're making your candidate look bad to the users in this channel?
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326[01:32:26] <systemd0wn> Jeesh. I'm getting bombarded with election day spam in the mail, telephone and now IRC? lol
327[01:32:26] <tokage> NyanCat: yeah shouldn't be too hard if somebody always highlights everyone D:
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329[01:32:33] <Miga> lol..
330[01:32:35] <somiaj> none: do you have security sources in your sources.list, what is the output of apt-cache policy xscreensaver (use paste.debian.net)
331[01:32:36] <shootbird> hanshenrik_: similar tactics when disrupting the free exchange of ideas. please research/google, thx.
332[01:32:37] <markybob> none: right. like i said, debian backports security fixes. so what you read online doesn't apply
333[01:32:40] <\ni> ...
334[01:32:42] <PatienceZero> it's the way of the yank
335[01:32:48] <TheReverend403> seriously tho, who's christel?
336[01:33:01] <NyanCat> christel is the main person on freenode yo
337[01:33:02] <basic`> a freenode operator
338[01:33:06] <shootbird> christel is an ircop
339[01:33:17] <TheReverend403> oh
340[01:33:18] <none> xscreensaver:
341[01:33:18] <none> Installed: 5.30-1+deb8u1
342[01:33:18] <none> Candidate: 5.30-1+deb8u1
343[01:33:18] <none> Version table:
344[01:33:18] <none> *** 5.30-1+deb8u1 0
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346[01:33:19] <somiaj> no need to carry on about the spam. freenode staffers seem to be dealing with it, this is not the channel to talk about it.
347[01:33:44] <dave0x6d> Thanks.
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349[01:33:46] <shootbird> no doubt
350[01:33:50] <basic`> here’s a topic change
351[01:33:51] <shootbird> get em outta here folks!
352[01:33:55] <basic`> i’m moving drupal.org infrastructure to debian 8
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354[01:34:05] <basic`> it’s a work in process, but it’s happening. Very happy with it.
355[01:34:12] <NyanCat> is that more secure than what you have right now
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357[01:34:42] <basic`> not sure about security, but it’s newer
358[01:34:52] <somiaj> basic`: on centos before?
359[01:35:01] <basic`> yeah, centos 6
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363[01:37:19] <MaBunny> guys is debian a good platform for pentesting?
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367[01:37:52] <MaBunny> im thinking about buying a 64gb pendrive and setting up my lab
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369[01:38:03] <somiaj> MaBunny: over usb3?
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371[01:39:02] <TomTomTosch> kali is usually the tool of choice for pentesting. but you will find the same tools for debian.
372[01:39:02] <MaBunny> no,my computer is old
373[01:39:07] <MaBunny> somiaj,usb2
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375[01:39:36] <MaBunny> but it will support usb3,ive decided what to buy
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377[01:39:55] <somiaj> MaBunny: I'd suggest using a live system as oppose to installing on a usb drive, as it can speed things up. debian live + persistance could do that for you.
378[01:39:56] <MaBunny> well,i heard somewhere not to use Kali
379[01:40:22] <MaBunny> live system as in?
380[01:40:27] <MaBunny> in hard drive?
381[01:40:32] <somiaj> MaBunny: depends on what it is you want to do and support you will want/need. Only issue with kali to me is it isn't supported here
382[01:40:40] <somiaj> MaBunny: no using a live system (like a system that can be run from a cd)
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384[01:41:11] <Rurd2di> cashbox please dont spam everyone in chat
385[01:41:17] <somiaj> MaBunny: a live system boots the rootfs/os into memeory this way it dosen't have to make as many repeated calls to the harddrive for read/writes (nice if you have a slow drive or can't read/write)
386[01:41:19] <Rurd2di> kind of annoying dude
387[01:41:41] <MaBunny> isnt ok
388[01:41:44] <MaBunny> ok
389[01:42:01] <somiaj> MaBunny: debian as a whole set of tools for building a live system and some premade ones
390[01:42:39] <somiaj> note live systems may run better, but you have to do extra work to set them up to be persistance.
391[01:43:36] <markybob> it's a total PITA to set up to be honest :P
392[01:43:36] <aarcane> jmcnaught, I added a custom .service file as you suggested, but systemd-analyze still generates the old graph. Is there somethign I need to do to update that graph manually?
393[01:43:48] <MaBunny> somiaj,so which part of the debian partition do i modify?can you give me a hint
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396[01:44:58] <MaBunny> well,in my current system,i hav set up wireshark as a normal user,and hav been learning how to use it for 3 days :)
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398[01:45:16] <defanor> a network question: if /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth1/proxy_arp is set to 1, and eth1's netmask is set to 255.255.255.252, it'll make the system to respond to any ARP requests that aren't about addresses from its /30 network, right?
399[01:45:18] <MaBunny> i think i can add the required tools to make it into a lad
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402[01:46:44] <recubant> FREENODE IRCOP INCOMPETENCE AND ABUSE BROUGHT YOU THIS MSG. PLEASE FIND A BETTER HOME FOR #debian. MY APOLOGIES FOR THE INTERRUPTION! lord_zoo Andreas33 DLmass mRokita_ platschi Axton JelmerD Piper-Off hexagoxel kmh vinci ignasio noPW_TQM olblak rkj_ chachasmooth_ denisk Ticho_ Sciuro SunGod- M0ulin acidchild devster31 j` well_laid_lawn WangDang Kyoshiro RickyB98 McLive kalebo Guest64733 MarkusMagnusson oskie VirtouZ bemawi jager krups dreamon_ rosten p
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404[01:46:44] <recubant> FREENODE IRCOP INCOMPETENCE AND ABUSE BROUGHT YOU THIS MSG. PLEASE FIND A BETTER HOME FOR #debian. MY APOLOGIES FOR THE INTERRUPTION! goberle_ Jarus giraffe estan_ llimeht_ boubou PhonicUK BiGBOi NightMonkey iNs_ dings alfred__ hyfrehyfre k^ Caelum Messenger_bird qoreQyaS Spr1ng dreamon_ holmgren rax- Bercik hobbyquaker j4son MrFrood stew Immanuel markovh Amplificator aibot Aebian nanoha-sama devec0 dayten cherti axk4545 krthnz runejuhl p0rt axc1298 mib
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407[01:46:44] <recubant> FREENODE IRCOP INCOMPETENCE AND ABUSE BROUGHT YOU THIS MSG. PLEASE FIND A BETTER HOME FOR #debian. MY APOLOGIES FOR THE INTERRUPTION! slax0r JasonO Zambezi s00pcan Guest62885 gnugr distanto1igin Tulah CrazyTux[w] Getafix74 ajcrowe programmerq cnu- noname sbine EnergyCoffee pvoigt WakiMiko pushpop anbz Spitfire TomasCZ Raden pseubodot cydrobolt obserd Starduster phorce1 Arrowmaster Sigyn pflanze Ryushin zw01 Klumben iflema tobinski___ bazhang ColtonDRG t
408[01:46:44] <recubant> FREENODE IRCOP INCOMPETENCE AND ABUSE BROUGHT YOU THIS MSG. PLEASE FIND A BETTER HOME FOR #debian. MY APOLOGIES FOR THE INTERRUPTION! heap_ katymoe dinoocch Ssquidly jonbryan roge p0g0 bn` kInOzAwA Axton sc0 pizduley magyar PhilSliderS tugrik PhonicUK jpalmer slax0r filisko Treylis ELLIOTTCABLE root4 VeggieMeat mirton holmgren matthiaskrgr Learath2 [BNC]dimitry7 MrFrood mavhq krups mossman_ FluidDruid Xjs|moonshine gnugr stapler117 thallera1 markybob se
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410[01:46:47] <aibot> freenode ircop incompetence and abuse brought you this msg. please find a tut about using dd ...it really is rather straightforward
411[01:46:52] <DrDoofenshmirtz> !ops spam
412[01:46:53] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: drdoofenshmirtz complains about: spam
413[01:46:58] <[BNC]dimitry7> what?
414[01:47:03] <NyanCat> somiaj: freenode is doing a great job and all but can you please do something about them being able to do it
415[01:47:05] <NyanCat> in the first place
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423[01:48:18] <MaBunny> what was tht shit about??
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426[01:49:27] <bin_bash> lol
427[01:49:38] <bin_bash> gr8 script
428[01:49:38] <brabo> MaBunny: best to ignore it. giving any attention to spammers makes it worth to them ;)
429[01:49:43] <Starduster> +ban recubant
430[01:50:33] <johskar> The retard spammer even apologise for the interruption? lol! oh well xD
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437[01:51:59] <fuzzy-logic> +1 themill
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444[01:57:37] <npo> rip
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451[01:59:59] <PatienceZero> info npo
452[02:00:20] <npo> rip
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454[02:00:35] <PatienceZero> nice repeatspam
455[02:00:44] <npo> sry
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457[02:01:10] <npo> i was ripping beacuse it appears that you might have misplaced a '/' character, exposing the fact that you were querying freenode about me
458[02:01:20] <npo> i was just joshin' around
459[02:01:22] <PatienceZero> No, you were being a smartass.
460[02:01:25] <npo> true
461[02:01:27] <PatienceZero> There's a difference.
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463[02:01:57] <npo> did you think i was one of those spammer guys from earler
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465[02:03:13] <PatienceZero> GFY
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470[02:04:16] <cafuego> Such friendly.
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474[02:06:47] <jim> so much hostility
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477[02:08:21] <npo> wow seriously
478[02:08:26] <npo> extremely hostile for no goddamn reason
479[02:09:51] <themill> please move on
480[02:10:35] <BinBasher> o/ bin_bash
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484[02:11:54] <tharkun> themill: Is dpkg factoids still open for anyone to edit?
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497[02:14:37] <BinBasher> been a while since I've seen you.
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504[02:16:52] <ghormoon> hi, can I somehow easily switch logical sector size? I've got a case where some disks from other system show up 8x bigger partitions because they're detected wrong in usb caddy
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523[02:24:29] <karlpinc> ghormoon: What command are you using to report parition size?
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527[02:26:07] <ghormoon> fdisk (or even the kernel itself complains it's after end of disk)
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530[02:26:53] <ghormoon> fdisk shows them 8x bigger, kernel truncates the first andignores the rest because they're after end of disk, so I can't mount /dev/sdXY
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532[02:26:59] <markybob> ghormoon: i actually had the same problem today. had to use dd to reset the disk
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536[02:27:43] <ghormoon> I need to read the data :) worst case I know I can take the partition table and reduce all the sector counts /8 and hope it was correctly aligned
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539[02:28:09] <markybob> oh i had backups so i didn't give a fuck. didn't look into it much :/
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541[02:28:13] <ghormoon> but if it wasn't I'll need to move with the partitions back and forth and also there's big space for user error
542[02:28:26] <ghormoon> this is rommates disk from a system he fucked up :)
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544[02:29:11] <bmomjian> I was having a weird problem on Jessie where during reboot, the OS would sometimes crash and restart. I couldn't find anything in the server logs showing the cause. However, 30 minutes of reboots this morning was not able to reproduce the problem.
545[02:29:25] <ghormoon> now I'm dding it on my NAS so I can play with the image and have a backup in case I'll fuck up (zfs snapshots will doo good in this case if i'll be messing only with the partition table :)))
546[02:30:02] <ghormoon> but I'd prefer if there was a manual way to say the logical sector size is 512B and I didn't have to go through this
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548[02:30:06] <Iridos> ghormoon, on the other hand, nothing makes you have backups like having lost all your data
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550[02:30:59] <ghormoon> yeah, he doesn't deserve a rommate with 5tb free on a nas box to copy his broken disks :D
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552[02:31:40] <ghormoon> he came with two 1tb disks to rescue, it will be fun if he didn't do it with the spare space :)
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556[02:33:40] <RoyK> backups are for cowards (tm)
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563[02:37:19] <polyzen> why is there output missing when i use -print0 with find o.O
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569[02:39:06] <polyzen> also when i -ls
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600[02:53:18] <tharkun> If I choose the automated install on the debian installer will I get a minimal install or will I get a graphical environment?
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620[03:00:08] <karlpinc> ghormoon: You might look through the kernel parameter docs and see if there's not something you can frob there. Or there might possibly be something in /sys/. I don't really know. Maybe google is your friend?
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624[03:01:08] <karlpinc> bmomjian: Lordy. Perhaps try running memtest86+ overnight in case it's a ram issue? Do you have ecc ram?
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638[03:08:20] <orangey> Hello all!
639[03:08:20] <orangey> In my migration from i386 to amd64 in jessie, I seem to have lost systemd somewhere.. it gives "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1" I'm sure this is because I forgot to either install or configure a package properly somewhere.. any hints?
640[03:08:20] <orangey> aha.. maybe systemd-sysv
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643[03:09:11] <somiaj> orangey: how are you migrating arches?
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652[03:14:13] <bmomjian> I have ECC ram, and in fact one of the boots halted on an ECC error at boot time
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655[03:14:18] <bmomjian> which I found kind of odd
656[03:14:27] <bmomjian> these are Xeon CPUs
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659[03:14:57] <bmomjian> I thought an ECC error would show a kernel message, not a crash/reboot
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674[03:22:05] <Guest77538> Hello friends! I'm having trouble with wifi. Though I've installed iwlwifi and firmware-iwlwifi, network manager doesn't acknowledge that I have any wifi devices
675[03:22:07] <bmomjian> The crash was 13 seconds from boot, so it feels like the X11 startup crashed the server or something, but again, I couldn't reproduce it this morning.
676[03:22:45] <Guest77538> I'm certain that iwlwifi is the proper driver for my chipset
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679[03:24:00] <bmomjian> Last var/log/message line before the crash was: tracker-extract; Tracker-WARNING **: Sparql update was:
680[03:24:02] <Guest77538> I tried setting up wlan0 manually in /etc/network/interfaces, and tried other network managers (wicd and connman), but this still didn't help
681[03:24:02] <Guest77538> any help is much appreciated!
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694[03:27:50] <TomTomTosch> Guest77538 'lspci -nnk | grep -A 2 Network' to paste.debian.net please.
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703[03:31:11] <dvs> Guest77538, it's because you have wlan0 entry in you interfaces file, network manager will not try and detect it.
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705[03:33:00] <Guest77538> TomTomTosch, replaced-url
706[03:33:38] <Guest77538> dvs, I only put it there afterwards in order to see if I could get around using networkmanager and configure it myself. It is no longer there
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708[03:34:28] <TomTomTosch> Guest77538, the kernel module isn't loaded. try 'modprobe iwlwifi'
709[03:35:03] <Guest77538> TomTomTosch, I have done this and nothing changes
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712[03:35:31] <Guest77538> I notice also that dmesg | grep iwl shows nothing
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716[03:36:43] <MaBunny> guys is the newest version of debian still 8.3 jessie?
717[03:36:52] <markybob> MaBunny: yes
718[03:36:53] <dvs> yes
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721[03:37:25] <MaBunny> when will it change to a new version,im redownloading the iso to be careful
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723[03:38:12] <TomTomTosch> Guest77538, no errors? nothing in kern.log? this driver is the correct one for your device.
724[03:38:37] <karlpinc> MaBunny: You don't need to download a new version. Any Jessie installer will install 8.3, or whatever's latest.
725[03:39:08] <MaBunny> okie,but its bcoz of tht mouse-moving thingie
726[03:39:13] <MaBunny> problem
727[03:39:22] <karlpinc> MaBunny: (Assuming you enable the network on install.)
728[03:39:35] <MaBunny> yeah i kno tht,netinst
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731[03:39:52] <Guest77538> TomTomTosch, grepping for "iwl" in kern.log gives nothing
732[03:39:54] <MaBunny> i hav one for the amd64,might install tht one too
733[03:39:58] <markybob> MaBunny: you would do yourself a service to look it up yourself. debian.org would've shown you. it's that easy.
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736[03:40:20] <Guest77538> If the firmware/driver stuff is all good, why can't networkmanager create a wlan0?
737[03:40:34] <MaBunny> well,im buying a new 64 gb pendrive this month,so i wanted to ask *just
738[03:40:54] <TomTomTosch> Guest77538, the module isn't loaded from what you've shown me.
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740[03:43:17] <Guest77538> How can I load the module if modprobe isn't working?
741[03:43:26] <markybob> Guest77538: you realize he's telling you to install firmware-iwlwifi and reboot?
742[03:43:47] <Guest77538> I've already installed firmware-iwlwifi and rebooted
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746[03:44:34] <markybob> MaBunny: you might get another 8.4 in a few months. you've got a while.
747[03:45:15] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, the next point release will not fix your mouse.
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749[03:45:51] <Guest77538> I notice /etc/modules is empty but for comments; could this cause the issue?
750[03:46:47] <markybob> MaBunny: what does uname -a say?
751[03:47:16] <jmcnaught> TomTomTosch: MaBunny: well point releases do sometimes come with bug fixes and even backported features, but it's not something i'd count on
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753[03:48:15] <TomTomTosch> Guest77538 no. /etc/modules is for autoloading the module. if modprobe does not work, something is wrong.
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755[03:49:44] <TomTomTosch> Guest77538, the entry could be in /etc/modprobe.d/
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759[03:51:46] <Guest77538> TomTomTosch, replaced-url
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767[03:54:23] <MaBunny> srry guys had gone to the shop nearby,didnt read what you told to me
768[03:54:37] <markybob> Guest77538: maybe pastebin apt-cache policy
769[03:54:40] <Guest77538> Also, lsmod | grep iwlwifi lists iwlwifi (used by none) and cfg80211 (used only by iwlwifi)
770[03:54:43] <TomTomTosch> Guest77538, well, it should be there. 'dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi' please.
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772[03:55:01] <MaBunny> heres what uname says: Linux titty 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) i686 GNU/Linux
773[03:55:19] <MaBunny> idu any of it
774[03:55:45] <markybob> of course it's called titty
775[03:55:54] <MaBunny> >_>
776[03:56:00] <MaBunny> i named it myself
777[03:56:05] <markybob> MaBunny: you could try using the 4.3 kernel from backports
778[03:56:07] <TomTomTosch> duh ;D
779[03:56:09] <Guest77538> TomTomTosch, markybob, replaced-url
780[03:56:27] <MaBunny> would tht solve my problem?
781[03:56:50] <MaBunny> what does the 4.3 kernel do?tht the current one doesnt
782[03:56:50] <markybob> MaBunny: i have no idea. i don't know what mouse you have or your "thingy" problem
783[03:56:58] <markybob> MaBunny: trying to help with the minimal you give
784[03:57:07] <MaBunny> ok thnx
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787[03:57:21] <MaBunny> ok ill add a mouse in my buying list too :)
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789[03:57:47] <MaBunny> will a recent mouse help? actually this one is being used for nearly 10 years
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793[03:58:02] <MaBunny> since my dad brought a computer to the house
794[03:58:05] <markybob> MaBunny: backports.debian.org/Instructions/
795[03:58:05] <markybob> MaBunny: probably
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797[03:59:17] <markybob> MaBunny: so yes, get a new mouse
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800[03:59:30] <TomTomTosch> Guest77538, are you using the 3.16 kernel?
801[03:59:39] <MaBunny> well,if tht solves this problem then lets be it,ill buy one
802[03:59:55] <MaBunny> thnx for your help markybob,TomTomTosch
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805[04:00:24] <Guest77538> TomTomTosch, yes, I am
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809[04:01:02] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: does "iw list" output anything useful?
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813[04:01:29] <Guest77538> jmcnaught, it outputs literally nothing
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816[04:02:49] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: and if you were to "modprobe -r iwlwifi" (which removes/unloads the module) and then "modprobe iwlwifi" do you get any errors (on the screen, or in the dmesg output)?
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823[04:04:22] <Guest77538> jmcnaught, nope, no errors
824[04:04:55] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: anything mentioned about iwlwifi in dmesg at all after the "modprobe iwlwifi"?
825[04:05:00] <Guest77538> there's some output from cfg80211 that seems to happen when I reload iwlwifi, but that makes sense considering it's the one module in lsmod that uses it
826[04:05:13] <Guest77538> No, nothing at all
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828[04:05:38] <Guest77538> In fact, dmesg | grep iwlwifi gives no output
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834[04:06:37] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: did this computer come with this wifi adapter or did you install it? Is there a hardware wifi kill switch (I don't think this would be it, but grasping)
835[04:07:15] <TomTomTosch> there is also modprobe -v for a more verbose output.
836[04:07:18] <Guest77538> jmcnaught, it came with this adapter, and when I boot to windows 10 wifi works just fine
837[04:07:29] <Guest77538> I tried modprobe -v, it still printed nothing
838[04:07:59] <TomTomTosch> maybe it's worth trying the backports kernel and firmware-iwlwifi ?
839[04:08:13] <markybob> i thought i said that :P
840[04:08:15] <HarveyPwca> If that command is providing no output then you either don't have the iwl driver installed and/or running.
841[04:08:25] <TomTomTosch> markybob, oh, missed that.
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843[04:09:07] <markybob> TomTomTosch: maybe it didn't come through. i'm on cell phone tether afterall
844[04:09:27] <Guest77538> Sorry, with -v I only tried modprobe, not modprobe -r; here's the proper output: replaced-url
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848[04:11:25] <Guest77538> Also there is a keyboard switch for enabling/disabling wifi, but I assumed that was just some custom windows driver
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850[04:12:14] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: the switch is worth a try i guess. I have a similar card that uses the same driver (different model though) and this is the output of "lsmod | grep iwl" for me, is yours similar? replaced-url
851[04:12:51] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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853[04:13:32] <Guest77538> jmcnaught, my lsmod looks the same but for the presence of iwldvm and mac80211
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856[04:15:56] <Guest77538> Could it be helpful to install iwldvm?
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858[04:16:28] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: that's interesting, but honestly i don't know if it's just a difference between our cards. maybe if you "modprobe -r iwlwifi" again, and then "modprobe iwldvm && modprobe iwlwifi"?
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860[04:18:07] <Guest77538> now this is interesting: replaced-url
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864[04:19:37] <TomTomTosch> Guest77538 'lspci -nnk | grep -A 5 Network'
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866[04:19:48] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: it looks more like mine now.
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868[04:21:18] <Guest77538> TomTomTosch, replaced-url
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874[04:23:23] <TomTomTosch> still no luck. have to go though. good luck, hope you get it fixed.
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878[04:24:16] <Guest77538> Thank you!
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883[04:24:52] <jonathan_zz> is there any way to backup files over a network efficiently while storing it remotely as an archive? This very obvious scenario seems not to be catered for.
884[04:25:08] <jonathan_zz> I don't have the local space (there) to create an archive first.
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888[04:26:20] <jonathan_zz> what I'm implying is a form of rsync really that compares not against a live filesystem, but one stored in an archive.
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895[04:29:55] <Guest77538> Does anyone have any idea what the underlying problem could be for me, though? The modules are loaded, but I can't get an interface
896[04:30:11] <jonathan_zz> actually tar could create incremental archives on an NFS share since it creates a separate file to record the contents. Then the next time it could create increments based on that file, without having to read the entire remove archiive.
897[04:30:37] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: at this point it's probably worth trying a newer kernel from jessie-backports
898[04:31:13] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel"
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901[04:32:41] <jonathan_zz> omg I have a vpn between two different hosts, one of which is in my network. I merely needed to add a route to it and I can reach the remote host over the VPN :O.
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904[04:33:27] <jonathan_zz> to tinkering whatsoever, it worked immediately :O.
905[04:33:33] <jonathan_zz> no*.
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915[04:36:58] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: note that if you've installed any drivers using DKMS (like nvidia, fglrx) that you'll want to make sure you get the linux-headers-amd64 package from backports as well
916[04:37:11] <Guest77538> jmcnaught, I'm adding jessie-backports to my sources.list right now
917[04:37:28] <Guest77538> ..ah, no, I haven't, but I probably want that too
918[04:37:32] <Guest77538> thank you!
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923[04:39:01] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: if you didn't need linux-headers-amd64 before you won't need them now, but i've seen people forget them, reboot and suddenly no graphics.
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931[04:46:57] <Guest77538> jmcnaught, I upgraded from jessie-backports to linux 4.4, but I'm getting a lot of warnings about possible missing firmware for module r8169
932[04:47:22] <Guest77538> considering that's that does my ethernet, which is my only access to the outside world from linux, I am nervous
933[04:47:37] <dvs> Guest77538, you also need the firmware from backports.
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935[04:48:10] <jmcnaught> Guest77538: you'll want firmware-realtek (and firmware-iwlwifi) from backports
936[04:48:47] <Guest77538> I just grabbed firmware-realtek, let me check if apt-get was smart enough to get firmware-iwlwifi
937[04:49:18] <Guest77538> I don't think so
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946[04:53:27] <Guest77538> mmk, I think I got it all set up properly, so I'm going to chance a reboot! If I don't come back you'll know my ethernet broke~
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980[05:12:21] <markybob> i guess it broke :P
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982[05:12:44] <jmcnaught> i prefer to think they don't need our help anymore
983[05:14:02] <dvs> ...or the computer blew up
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985[05:14:29] <markybob> i've actually had dell's catch fire at work. literally. multiple times.
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1024[05:39:07] <maher> I've set the ip forward flag in sysctl.conf but I still don't seem to be forwarding packets - any advice?
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1027[05:40:27] <cafuego> Did you apply the change?
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1030[05:41:13] <maher> cafuego: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward gives 1
1031[05:41:21] <maher> cafuego: do i need to set up some iptables rule?
1032[05:41:46] <cafuego> maher: Cool. Anything in the FORWARD chain when you check iptables?
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1034[05:42:39] <maher> cafuego: no
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1037[05:44:32] <maher> cafuego: replaced-url
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1039[05:48:08] <maher> cafuego: ok - i added an iptables rule and now it works - but I didn't have one before and it worked... how did it ever work?
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1051[05:53:21] <charlie__> jmcnaught, hi! I was that guest from earlier. Upgrading the kernel went poorly. o.o
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1054[05:53:34] <Nouv> Going to be installing Debian for the first time in a few hours. I have 2x gtx 780 ti, which drivers should I be using?
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1056[05:54:12] <charlie__> upon booting I fall into an initramfs ash shell after getting error messages about some missing ehci-orion module
1057[05:54:13] <jmcnaught> charlie__: :/ sorry to hear that. Can you provide details or logs of what happened?
1058[05:54:45] <cafuego> maher: Honestly? No idea :-)
1059[05:54:54] <jmcnaught> charlie__: were there errors about the initrd while apt-get was installing the kernel?
1060[05:55:04] <aedinius> Nouv: probably the non-free nvidia drivers. don't expect much, there isn't much SLI support that I'm aware of
1061[05:55:08] <jmcnaught> charlie__: or about depmod or anything like that?
1062[05:55:20] <charlie__> idk where logs would even be saved? I managed to get back by booting to a live CD, getting the names of the initrd and vmlinuz files, rebooting, and editing the grub entries by hand
1063[05:55:35] <charlie__> I don't recall any errors, no
1064[05:55:59] <cafuego> charlie__: If the problem is ehci, the logs probably don't get saved (it's the SATA controller driver)
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1066[05:57:10] <Nouv> aedinius What, there aren't free drivers?
1067[05:57:22] <jmcnaught> charlie__: do you know if you are booting with UEFI or BIOS? Out of curiousity, you didn't happen to use unetbootin or some other GUI tool to put te installer image on USB stick, did you?
1068[05:57:25] <maher> cafuego: thanks....
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1071[05:58:30] <charlie__> UEFI. Nah, I just burned the debian netinst iso to a cd and booted to it
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1076[05:59:50] <jmcnaught> charlie__: okay. can you access /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages on the Debian system?
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1080[06:01:01] <charlie__> I mean, I can get to them now, but I've booted to the 3.16 kernel, so wouldn't those logs have been wiped?
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1082[06:01:11] <charlie__> if they were even there in the first place, like cafuego said
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1086[06:01:32] <cafuego> charlie__: if they were written, info was appended, not replaced.
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1088[06:03:21] <aedinius> Nouv: There are, but I don't know if they support your card that well
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1090[06:03:38] <Nouv> aedinius hm alright, I'll ask around in ##linux, thanks
1091[06:04:20] <aedinius> sdfsdfsdf
1092[06:04:20] <aedinius> sdf
1093[06:04:24] <aedinius> damn it
1094[06:04:25] <aedinius> Ignore that
1095[06:04:35] <cafuego> No!
1096[06:04:39] <aedinius> Nouv: I'm looking it up now to see how well it supports it
1097[06:04:40] <cafuego> I will interpret it!
1098[06:04:49] <Nouv> aedinius Thank you!
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1101[06:04:58] <aedinius> cafuego: Loosely translated it means "why the hell did my wireless drop out?"
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1106[06:05:52] <charlie__> I think I'm just going to revert to the 3.16 kernel for now; I'm not finding much useful about this ehci-orion issue
1107[06:05:54] <aedinius> Nouv: Try the free driver (nouveau). Your chip is listed, see how performance is. Keep in mind SLI doesn't really work well on Linux
1108[06:06:00] <charlie__> unless anyone has ideas
1109[06:06:05] <aedinius> Nouv: replaced-url
1110[06:06:19] <Nouv> aedinius I'll check it out, thanks!
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1112[06:06:49] <jmcnaught> charlie__: ehci would be a USB controller. It sounds to me like the initrd did not get generated properly, which is normally handled automatically by a hook called by the package manager
1113[06:07:07] <aedinius> Nouv: TLDR just install it. See if it works. If it doesn't work well, enable non-free and install nvidia-driver. *shrug*
1114[06:07:09] <jmcnaught> charlie__: you could review/paste the contents of /var/log/apt/term.log
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1116[06:07:19] <Nouv> aedinius When you say non-free
1117[06:07:23] <aedinius> Nouv: licensing
1118[06:07:27] <Nouv> aedinius ahhh
1119[06:07:38] <aedinius> free as in speech, not as in beer
1120[06:07:38] <cafuego> not libre
1121[06:07:44] <Nouv> aedinius Right, thanks
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1123[06:08:03] <Nouv> aedinius Does that driver have better performance though? I'm not so interested in if it's free or not, just need stability
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1125[06:08:11] <aedinius> Nouv: They should both be stable.
1126[06:08:23] <Nouv> aedinius I'll try them both then, thank you!
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1128[06:08:41] <aedinius> Nouv: I would bet nouveau would be stabler. nvidia will have much better performance (depending on how old the card is)
1129[06:08:51] <Nouv> hm alright
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1131[06:10:14] <charlie__> jmcnaught, looking at term.log I think you're right, though it didn't give any errors; I just updated initramfs, so I'm going to try it again now
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1135[06:13:30] <charlie__> so, yeah, it didn't work
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1138[06:15:42] <jmcnaught> charlie__: so you're booting the stock 3.16 kernel again? Any different output about iwlwifi or "firmware" in dmesg output?
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1140[06:16:15] <charlie__> jmcnaught, no, not yet; I just tried something to fix the initrd that didn't work
1141[06:16:21] <charlie__> I'm about to revert to 3.16
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1149[06:20:08] <aedinius> Nouv: I run the non-free driver on my desktop (nvidia 680) and I have yet to have a problem.
1150[06:20:26] <Nouv> aedinius I'll go with that first then, thanks
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1154[06:25:44] <jim> does anyone know where kvm would put a boot image? (I have a debian netinst I want to write to a usb)
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1160[06:29:11] <Guest8811> jmcnaught, I think I just successfully downgraded to 3.16
1161[06:29:16] <jim> got it... virt-manager's edit -> connection details -> images had the path
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1163[06:29:52] <Guest8811> all I did was install the old versions of linux-image-amd64, firmware-iwlwifi, and firmware-realtek, then deleted the 4.4 initrd and vmlinuz images and ran update-grub
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1166[06:30:11] <Guest8811> I'm asking if that's not all because now my trackpad doesn't work
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1169[06:33:48] <TomTomTosch> Guest8811, you seem to have all the luck.
1170[06:34:12] <jmcnaught> Guest8811: i wouldn't manually delete stuff installed by apt. It would have been better to remove the packages, which you could/should still do if you don't want them. Take a look at the output of "aptitude versions ~i~nlinux-image", there will probably be a linux-image-amd64 metapackage (which you want at version 3.16+63) as well as a "linux-image-4.4.0-0.bpo.1-amd64" that you want to remove
1171[06:34:48] <TomTomTosch> Guest8811, 'modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse' doing something?
1172[06:35:01] <jmcnaught> Guest8811: make sure that the Installed version reported by "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" is 3.16+63, otherwise apt-get will keep installing the 4.4 one from backports
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1175[06:36:56] <Guest8811> jmcnaught: yeah, you're right, just removed that package. apt-cache says 3.16
1176[06:37:16] <Guest8811> TomTomTosch: I know right? I'm about to try the psmouse thing
1177[06:37:54] <Guest8811> yeah, didn't work
1178[06:38:26] <karlpinc> Guest8811: You will want to purge them, not just remove them, to get rid of the images in /boot/.
1179[06:38:52] <jmcnaught> Guest8811: you might also want to make sure that firmware-iwlwifi and firmware-realtek are not the backports versions anymore as well.. i don't know if they're compatible with the older kernel or not
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1181[06:40:19] <Guest8811> karlpinc: good call, I still had some leftover stuff, thanks!
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1183[06:40:43] <Guest8811> jmcnaught, I think they're the right versions now? aptitude versions only has an i next to the stable one
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1185[06:40:50] <Guest8811> idk if I need to purge these too though
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1188[06:41:31] <TomTomTosch> it doesn't matter, just saves some space.
1189[06:41:57] <Ouroboros> if /etc/auto.master says +auto.master, which file is that?
1190[06:42:08] <jmcnaught> Guest8811: "aptitude search ~c" will show you packages removed but not purged. if the list looks reasonable, "aptitude purge ~c" (review the list again)
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1192[06:42:53] <jmcnaught> Guest8811: however you don't want the firmware packages purged, you just want the jessie non-backports versions installed :)
1193[06:43:21] <Guest8811> awesome, thanks!
1194[06:43:33] <Guest8811> everything seems alright on that front
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1197[06:43:57] <Guest8811> though lspci doesn't seem to have my trackpad anymore, so that's fun
1198[06:43:59] <Ouroboros> i mean, that seems like a circular def since presumably the path is /etc
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1202[06:45:29] <jmcnaught> Guest8811: lspci used to list it? maybe it's usb and lsusb will show it?
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1204[06:47:22] <Guest8811> I think so? I'm not entirely sure, but I think so. And lsusb doesn't show it :|
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1208[06:49:52] <TomTomTosch> Guest8811, 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep -iB1 synaptics' should show.
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1210[06:50:43] <Guest8811> TomTomTosch, there's no output
1211[06:51:29] <Guest8811> also just looking through /proc/bus/input/devices I don't see my trackpad anywhere
1212[06:51:43] <TomTomTosch> Guest8811, well, that sucks.
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1214[06:52:16] <Guest8811> Yeah.
1215[06:52:18] <TomTomTosch> Guest8811, reboot, try again?
1216[06:52:29] <Guest8811> yeah, I guess? xD
1217[06:52:32] <Guest8811> brb
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1220[06:53:33] <TomTomTosch> we didn't fix one thing but we broke something completely different. awesome x)
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1227[06:54:59] <charlie__> nope >_<
1228[06:55:14] <charlie__> still no touchpad
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1230[06:55:33] <jmcnaught> charlie__: welcome back. is this a fairly new laptop? did you pour water on it before? :P
1231[06:57:17] <charlie__> jmcnaught, I literally got it in the mail yesterday >.<
1232[06:57:49] <charlie__> what's especially frustrating is that it was working fine until I tried to get wifi working
1233[06:58:26] <TomTomTosch> but it still works in windows?
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1235[06:58:49] <jmcnaught> charlie__: i'm surprised older kernel works better than the newer one then. are you still getting any messages about initrd? during boot? If you paste your entire dmesg output maybe some friendlies here will look for errors
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1240[07:00:12] <Ouroboros> yeah, i still dont understand how these network mounts were created: there is nothing in /etc/fstab or /etc/auto.master
1241[07:01:30] <charlie__> TomTomTosch, I haven't tried, now I'm scared to o.O
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1243[07:01:52] <charlie__> jmcnaught, I haven't noticed any messages, but I'll pastebin my dmesg anyway
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1249[07:03:10] <charlie__> replaced-url
1250[07:03:28] <charlie__> I hope there's nothing sensitive in there
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1255[07:07:28] <jmcnaught> charlie__: nah it's just kernel messages. You do have a bunch of ACPI errors near the start that I don't undestand, could be worth searching as clues. And some USB errors near the end
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1258[07:08:01] <charlie__> Yeah, I saw those, and I am just as confused
1259[07:09:39] <charlie__> honestly I've been messing with this linux install for 12 hours or so and I'm just realizing I haven't eaten in two days, so I think I'm going to go do that and then sleep
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1263[07:11:29] <charlie__> that said, though, this morning I didn't have a working bootloader, so I guess it's progress!
1264[07:11:42] <Ouroboros> you know that xckd about progress
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1266[07:12:25] <charlie__> replaced-url
1267[07:12:59] <charlie__> oh wait no yeah this one replaced-url
1268[07:13:16] <jmcnaught> charlie__: get some self-care in, you'll figure this out. If this is a fresh install you could try doing the reinstall again with a notebook and write down every error/warning/non-standard step that you take
1269[07:13:56] <charlie__> Yeah, maybe
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1273[07:14:46] <charlie__> oh shit wait a second
1274[07:15:41] <charlie__> ok yeah I just realized I had homework due 15 minutes ago
1275[07:15:56] <charlie__> welp
1276[07:16:17] <charlie__> This linux-based suffering is surprisingly fun, considering xP
1277[07:16:39] <charlie__> Fare thee well~
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1289[07:20:02] <Ouroboros> argh
1290[07:20:24] <Ouroboros> cant unmount crap on win, cant mount crap on debian, what a day
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1293[07:22:11] <simonlnu> fsck it?
1294[07:22:32] <Ouroboros> no, i cant mount it because no root
1295[07:22:43] <Ouroboros> but it seems some other people were able to, so i am not sure how
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1308[07:30:52] <Ouroboros> and my ssh client is so out of date, i cant connect to half the machines :)
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1313[07:37:46] <tty0_> XScreenSaver lock window in jessie started saying "this version too old"
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1324[07:42:46] <TomTomTosch> tty0_ does not matter, it's still perfectly fine.
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1328[07:44:06] <TomTomTosch> tty0_ this warning has no meaning for debian systems.
1329[07:44:47] <tty0_> yeah, but it is confusing ... I was on ttyN and went back to X, and saw this ... the reaction was wtf!?
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1331[07:45:36] <tty0_> Thanks TomTomTosch. Havn't looked in the code. What is the point of this?
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1333[07:46:24] <TomTomTosch> tty0_ the upstream dev felt like implementing a feature that checks if the version is older than 12 months. no idea why.
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1341[07:48:50] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
1342[07:48:51] <tty0_> Bool senescent_p (void) in replaced-url
1343[07:50:04] <tty0_> ... it has a long comment
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1347[07:52:05] <TomTomTosch> jmcnaught, what a nice guy...
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1352[07:55:16] <jmcnaught> i already didn't use xscreensaver, but this would be enough to get me to stop. i've read his blog before though, i like him when he's ripping on walled gardens. oh well.
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1357[07:58:35] <slax0r> hi, my left alt key has started behaving differently, i.e. in irssi when I press left alt+3, instead of switching to the 3rd window I get a superscripted 3, ³, also in terminal, before if I pressed left alt+3 I would get a (args: 3) prompt, now it also just prints superscripted 3, where can I check what has been changed?
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1361[07:59:40] <bkpark> slax0r: that sounds like 8-bit thing issue. what kind of terminal emulator are you using?
1362[07:59:46] <slax0r> bkpark: xterm
1363[08:00:04] <bkpark> if you ctrl+right click (might be middle click) in your terminal ...
1364[08:00:10] <bkpark> you should see some menu options.
1365[08:00:26] <bkpark> try selecting/unselecting some of them, like 8-bit character or something like that.
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1367[08:01:18] <slax0r> there is only 8-bit controls, unticked
1368[08:01:23] <slax0r> ticking it makes no difference
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1370[08:01:58] <bkpark> hm. i'm on Windows right now ... let me see if there's a way i can run xterm without having to reboot.
1371[08:02:13] <slax0r> replaced-url
1372[08:02:20] <slax0r> that's my xterm config
1373[08:02:26] <slax0r> if it helps anything
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1378[08:03:50] <bkpark> this might be relevant: replaced-url
1379[08:04:00] <slax0r> be back in a sec, osrry
1380[08:04:01] <slax0r> sorry*
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1385[08:06:58] <bkpark> seeing same advices in most places, replaced-url
1386[08:07:23] <bkpark> and i thought unticking the 8-bit thing was the same thing as the edits they are suggesting (just for current session).
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1389[08:09:49] <slax0r> alright, back bkpark let me check those links
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1392[08:10:37] <bkpark> they are all recommending you to add this line: replaced-url
1393[08:10:40] <bkpark> oops.
1394[08:10:50] <bkpark> recommending you to add this line: XTerm*eightBitInput: false
1395[08:10:52] <diogenes_> Anyone here manage to get the Android Binder driver running on their Debian system?
1396[08:12:05] <slax0r> bkpark: eightBitInput false did the trick, thanks!
1397[08:12:13] <tty0_> how can i update (override) package, and get the version from backports? aptitude -t jessie-backports install xscreensaver does not work (i guess because the pkg is already installeD)
1398[08:12:24] <bkpark> ah, o.k. glad it worked (still not sure why unticking the option didn't work).
1399[08:12:41] <slax0r> bkpark: do you maybe also know why Pragmata Pro font has such a large character spacing?
1400[08:12:56] <bkpark> o.O never heard that font before.
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1402[08:13:28] <bkpark> oh. it's a monospaced font ...
1403[08:13:37] <jmcnaught> tty0_: does "apt-cache policy xscreensaver" say there's a version in backports?
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1405[08:14:11] <bkpark> replaced-url
1406[08:14:14] <slax0r> bkpark: yeah, but it doesn't render right
1407[08:14:23] <tty0_> jmcnaught: It does not :) thanks!
1408[08:14:25] <bkpark> idk, this doesn't look all that wide-spaced to me ...
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1412[08:15:07] <tty0_> ... I thought all from testing goes to backports
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1414[08:15:24] <jmcnaught> tty0_: unless the Debian maintainer decides to remove this message, you'll either need to learn to ignore it, or use something other than xscreensaver.
1415[08:15:37] <slax0r> bkpark: normally it isn't no, but on my system I get like 2-3 pixels space on each side of a wide letter, like w or m i.e.
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1417[08:16:06] <jmcnaught> tty0_: nah, only some stuff gets into backports, and it's best usually to only take a few packages from there, they're not covered by the security team the same way stable is
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1421[08:18:30] <bkpark> hm. i guess i don't really have an idea, although this image seems to show fir amount of spacing around all letters: replaced-url
1422[08:18:41] <bkpark> s/fir/fair
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1426[08:19:11] <slax0r> bkpark: no problem, I can just stick to hack :)
1427[08:19:12] <ghormoon> karlpinc: I've been googling that long and didn't find a way to do that except changing the partition scheme :(
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1509[09:13:29] <CyberJacob> Somebody mention me?
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1511[09:15:05] <jelly> CyberJacob: there was a highlight spammer yesterday
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1531[09:31:08] <pfote> ah, spammer
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1632[10:28:27] <jim> can I set my default arch to amd64 when it was i386?
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1652[10:37:33] <jelly> jim: short answer no
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1655[10:38:18] <rudi_s> jim: Not easily. Debian is "only" multilib (so libraries for multiple architectures) but not really multiarch (binary in multiple architectures). So you'd have to install all binaries for amd64 on the live system without breaking it which is a difficult task.
1656[10:38:24] <rudi_s> Easiest option is to reinstall the system.
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1658[10:39:23] <jim> yeah, tried that in the first place... from an 8.3 amd64 netinstall
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1664[10:42:55] <MyWay> is there any reason it's not multiarch?
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1667[10:43:48] <jim> they're a good ways towards that
1668[10:44:00] <jelly> MyWay: it's a much harder goal to achieve
1669[10:44:07] <MyWay> ah
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1688[10:49:00] <ghormoon> hi, I've jsut stumbled upon a segfault in mysql-workbench, but the stacktrace both starts and ends in libc. is that more likely a mysql workbench bug or library bug? i.e., where to search for it and possibly report it? :) trace: replaced-url
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1695[10:50:04] <Iridos> aiiiiie... pastebin.com detects adblock and punishes you with comic sans?
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1711[10:51:44] <Iridos> ghormoon, well... maybe becomes clearer with the monster of libc6-dbg?
1712[10:51:54] <ghormoon> I've not even noticed until you told me :D
1713[10:52:02] <Iridos> /o\
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1716[10:52:24] <ghormoon> I've quite got used to that everyone uses comic sans where inapropriate, so I didn't care :D
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1718[10:52:30] <jelly> Iridos: no, their love for fontage spreads to adblockless users as well
1719[10:52:39] <Iridos> /o\
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1722[10:53:01] <mx204> Heh, I'm watching "The Social Network" and to be honest, it's somewhat believable.
1723[10:53:29] <Iridos> maybe I should make/print a T-shirt saying "I printed my thesis in Comic Sans"
1724[10:53:55] <ghormoon> I've never finished my thesis, maybe if I'll retry I can try that :D
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1726[10:55:24] <ghormoon> I've installed libc6-dbg and made that crash again, but the output looks the same
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1728[10:56:27] <Iridos> did you add the top libc6 line as an april's fool?
1729[10:56:53] <ghormoon> no?
1730[10:57:08] <ghormoon> but I've googled some mysql workbench crashes and some of them had it too
1731[10:58:40] <ghormoon> like this one: replaced-url
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1734[10:59:02] <ghormoon> but others I've found didn't have it, there was some mysql workbench line first
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1741[11:00:48] <dagerik> replaced-url
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1746[11:01:23] <ghormoon> it crashes on tunnig a query. I'e tried setting limit 0 and it doesn't crash then, maybe itdoesn't like some of the data it receives?
1747[11:01:43] <bkpark> wheezy .. that sounds super old.
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1749[11:02:18] <ghormoon> with limit 1 it runs, with limit 30 it crashes immediately (even though the query takes 30-45seconds to return data)
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1753[11:03:12] <bkpark> so, i guess jessie is the current stable.
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1755[11:03:23] <bkpark> it says: There are packages available for Debian 8 "Jessie", Stretch and Sid.
1756[11:03:56] <bkpark> i'm guessing Stretch is current Debian testing, so, dagerik, i would guess it should work fine?
1757[11:04:26] <bkpark> given how recently jessie was released, testing shouldn't be too different from jessie, if you want to use jessie, rather than testing.
1758[11:04:48] <ghormoon> I remember that I've once tried to pull in steam back on wheezy and broke everything because I needed to bring in newer glibc. BAD idea
1759[11:05:05] <dagerik> im on testing which is stretch
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1762[11:06:58] <ghormoon> that should have new enough glibc, but I didn't try
1763[11:07:12] <bkpark> so if you have non-free repository in your list already, you ought to be able to follow steps starting from #2, "Enable Multi-Arch..."
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1767[11:08:06] <bkpark> if not, you should have this line in your sources.list, except change "httpredir" to an actual repo link? and change "jessie" into "stretch": deb replaced-url
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1770[11:09:17] <ghormoon> hm, interesting, once it didn't crash but say "malformed packet", reruning the query killed it anyway
1771[11:09:57] <ghormoon> but it's not in data, I've done create table pokus as query (in mysql commandline) and then select * from pokus in workbench and that works
1772[11:10:35] * bkpark wishes there would be a Debian relaese that would be supported *forever*.
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1774[11:10:40] <Iridos> you could run it through valgrind... but I don't expect much to come out in addition to the backtrace
1775[11:10:51] <Iridos> likely, though, that it won't segfault in valgrind
1776[11:10:56] <bkpark> recently had to upgrade from ... hm. i think i upgraded *to* wheezy. i forget what i was upgrading from.
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1778[11:11:28] <Iridos> well, it won't, because valgrind emulates all commands, I think... and a free of memory that isn't yours isn't fatal if it's only emulated (IIRC)
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1780[11:12:03] <Iridos> bkpark, from squeeze
1781[11:12:39] <bkpark> ah. yes. that sounds right. :)
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1784[11:13:37] <bkpark> i still haven't rebooted the system, so i don't know if the new fancy kernel images will work right. :|
1785[11:14:59] <ghormoon> I still don't get how may backtrace both start and end in libc
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1803[11:25:06] <hydractinian> UPTIME: STOP KLINE??? teeteewhy pugfantus nikola austin987 cyberspace- MyNameIsJared Tristan-Speccy Nitori PhilSliderS anonnumberanon Scurz Krakakanok winem_ civillian Dantey kam270 iszak beisner tokage Lione ghormoon therock247uk evilicey_ robingr beastie_ sc0 ZeroBrea_ malf Ooze bezaban amospalla Amanas scubacuda bn` binwiederhier relgar hassoon qoreQyaS FoolishOwl eir Sigyn boudiccas kooldavi p0g0 Redfoxmoon babilen calebwill CompWiz
1804[11:25:06] <hydractinian> UPTIME: STOP KLINE??? MyNameIsJared zupzupper SpeedyG cuddly_wumpums himiko clopez NaStYdoG moop solarnetone ParkerR enkrypt ChanServ RoyK pfoo Meow-J enki Orphis FierceDeityLink Sammy8806 SPF tomocha__ stiivo1 Nouv bier_ tydel ajcrowe TimWolla kedare mz| Miga relgar Zarthus ix free_speech spacebison weltzooo at0m jeddi thedudez0r ariZon_a hns waynr lift JesseWalling lf94 dataio adamg rax- geekthattweaks l3archos
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1813[11:25:51] <bito> UPTIME: STOP KLINE??? mactimes_ bazhang Neobenedict busch rstone stakewinner00 SunGod- Rymax99 systemd0wn rozie guampa yaume Kobra p0g0 Defaultti Samouy tobiasBora crazydiamond marko shifty themill James_T jpleau beelion clopez vigilvindex_ mt kini nickle fnkr sparetire_ Knaldgas topi` sewerinspector vinzv darkman glebihan jhuebner BackEndCoder oberstein FluidDruid koollman BeamWatcher noPW_TQM thebrush anbz roge Nothing4You xKoren prussian
1814[11:25:51] <bito> UPTIME: STOP KLINE??? Malvo tswett kriskropd umbSublime acidchild hicks_ dualbus maoli egos_ Stanto NeonSynth AimHere Trellmor Cork TmvC Nouv AciD` AJ_Z0 totokaka kam270 Modeuse epsilon kingkong|Q bpsecret f4cl3y Cloudish_ xingu steri rikai pinnen krups gusnan platschi gardar- baks Zerant tugrik Xoib JRHaigh churnd sypher WARBIRD199 jmcnaught damentz debhelper cybrNaut ohithere noid- jthomas Guest39588
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1820[11:26:06] <Pr0metheus> ?
1821[11:26:17] <Doo> ?
1822[11:26:18] <DalekSec> Just some spam, ignore it.
1823[11:26:22] <uptime> Sorry about that ^
1824[11:26:32] <Pr0metheus> np
1825[11:26:34] <Doo> :(
1826[11:26:35] <Neobenedict> (Spam is off topic on freenode.) <- worlds most passive agressive /kill message
1827[11:26:43] <pfote> :-)
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1837[11:30:49] <f4cl3y> just noticed!
1838[11:30:52] <f4cl3y> sorry guys!
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1846[11:34:30] <Pr0metheus> i mounted a ntfs partition in fstab and used uid=1000, now i do properties and user=me, group=root, should i change the group too?
1847[11:34:31] <balance> hi
1848[11:34:43] <balance> how can I disable acl temporarily?
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1855[11:36:51] <Walex> balance: perhaps with 'mount -o remount,...'
1856[11:37:17] <Walex> Pr0metheus: that is up to you really. Depends what you want to achieve.
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1862[11:38:14] <balance> Walex, oh, okay, that's unexpected.
1863[11:38:33] <Walex> Pr0metheus: I usually set the group to myself too. Also considere the 'inherit' option to NTFS mapping.
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1865[11:39:25] <Pr0metheus> walex: i want to have full access to the disk, use it as a user
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1875[11:44:08] <akar> anyone here? is it possible to run lxc on qemu/kvm virtual machine?
1876[11:44:16] <akar> hust try it out thou
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1884[11:45:48] <akar> s/hust/just/
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1901[11:53:10] <rafalcpp> anyway debian home is on OFTC... (re spam)
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1922[12:03:43] <projectile> FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE IS KINDLY ASKING #debian TO FIND A BETTER IRC NETWORK. dimir bpsecret nirel CapsAdmin damentz Exagone313 ArexR sander85 johnny__ sobkas bin_bash moov Ard1t nbb Atlas boudiccas Louis Lione LiENUS Curlybear tonythomas dtcrshr Joost olblak gniourf Cybertinus bkpark Druid Getafix74 Mortumm microfracture MyWay phogg EmleyMoor ksool Lildirt abrotman prussian infernix vkngpmhc Dan_au Martyn rkj_ karimb PMT Celelibi Poppabear Eryn_
1923[12:03:43] <projectile> FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE IS KINDLY ASKING #debian TO FIND A BETTER IRC NETWORK. unlike tremon LoRez kline BalTun qknight cyboman33 fred``` ksool monpocchi wadadli_ netengio_ q3aql winem_ p3rs3us Brutix_ H4ndy deathleff netkat nyuszika7h analyser blueness Scotteh BarthezZ_ babilen dings gebjgd fnkr Brian- terxx mypapit OsakaFoo ipxman ephesius yokel salih-emin fenns runejuhl KNERD darkman Qann k^ jmcnaught Guest28258 JesseWalling iNs_ wych nbb tpana
1924[12:03:43] <projectile> FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE IS KINDLY ASKING #debian TO FIND A BETTER IRC NETWORK. blueness dataio ELLIOTTCABLE crayon iNs_ roguelazer jwd_ teeteewhy thebrush D-Boy beisner ChanServ freetos crank1988 asdflea enoch85 dfrey kenneth papitfx pkiller trewas jthomas keekz Ad1_RnR ajcrowe Eryn_1983_FL aborrero shingouz cafuego calvin_ IdleGandalf uptime sidmo benaiah SunGod- dmiller_ analyser gusnan PhonicUK Azelphur SlaGTaTs Darcy nezZario JackPH Katharsis
1925[12:03:43] <projectile> FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE IS KINDLY ASKING #debian TO FIND A BETTER IRC NETWORK. spotter ectospasm gagrio|trng Emmanuel_Chanel sukaeto pron sep AimHere Exagone313 cyphase liamsmith cyphix mdorenka vkngpmhc Aebian unforgiven512 chachasmooth himiko jackburton dreamon__ yokel Hau_MI ws2k3 ismaris dualbus kyle__ Granis indrora warraymos TheOmega MrDetonia Guest43739 mechfrog Lildirt arodrigu hust921 bzed Mmike Belkaar flexoboto m4rCsi_ devster31 Stanto
1926[12:03:43] <projectile> FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE IS KINDLY ASKING #debian TO FIND A BETTER IRC NETWORK. chen Hachya jback Xjs|moonshine evade skule MrGeneral nkuttler thebrush dbristow Otyg fossrox Nnavd rhizome DaIRCKing Slashman glitch13 cedvan msn gr8ron himiko Hydroxide solarnetone Colti giraffe JeremyE77 creat Doo thunderrd_ babilen tolkor NaPs JohnDoh teraflops KNERD aedinius sonOfRa Fusl yan__ Dr4k3 mjolrin Xenthys Dagger aralmelintang neomorphix ephesius Curlybear
1927[12:03:43] <projectile> FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE IS KINDLY ASKING #debian TO FIND A BETTER IRC NETWORK. ghoti phantomik noahfx rumpole ghormoon beisner GJ_ vincent_c rOss^64 Wug arodrigu pitelpan serban LargerMon jercos Avasz detha Rymax99 cheapie cuqa_ chrisc devel j3roen danmackay upils n-st penguinguru Dewi metaKin ipxman tremon insidious Strife89|Quassel Meow-J Quimby misiek200m Gm4n tulphoon andatche_ Baudelaire {41444d494e} piklu at0m pkv freanux finchd Louis alreec
1928[12:03:44] <projectile> FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE IS KINDLY ASKING #debian TO FIND A BETTER IRC NETWORK. cstine_ somiaj Scurz edwardly maoli shahri pbrzozow- digastricus breitenj bdeferme ejcx DaIRCKing Zumochi zerick madmattco morphis_ xtream1101 necronian Nik05 vindelschtuffen lrvick Quick_Wango ujjain TheOne1 bezaban Ring0` noodle Dadou akar DrDoofenshmirtz sbine pentiumone133 pushpop sparty cisc churnd Tier__ Stummi nicdev` elge luckman212 Guest49825 internat jor Whisk
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1931[12:04:12] <babilen> But .. we did?
1932[12:04:14] <karimb> wtf?
1933[12:04:22] <Ad1_RnR> procyon: don't spam
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1939[12:04:32] <unharmfully> FREENODE STAFF INCOMPETENCE IS KINDLY ASKING #debian TO FIND A BETTER IRC NETWORK. testi blueness gagrio|trng bertbob Amun_Ra digastricus riddle zupzupper Afforess Strogg FoolishOwl APexil BinBasher Rn86 fossrox llimeht_ msantana clopez hays mrMute adi sndb thuk ausbin komp Epakai Hobbyboy pollox_ heurist Sphax t0xic geekthattweaks NightMonkey sparkleunicorn berndj indrora phy1729 Tegu Igel marens copec papey amospalla Puree ejcx asterismo_m2 enkrypt c
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1944[12:04:44] <XeonSquared> that guy again?'
1945[12:04:49] <salih-emin> lel
1946[12:04:49] <uptime> Indeed.
1947[12:05:02] * XeonSquared sighs
1948[12:05:04] <babilen> uptime: ta
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1951[12:05:44] <Dewi> before spam, always check whether your message is completely incomprehensible
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1975[12:15:00] <aricz> Hi, trying to install debian from SD-card.. this is what we get after hardware-detection: "[!!] Scan hard drives for an installer ISO image"
1976[12:15:24] <aricz> we have a .iso image on the SD-card.. the installers doesn't find it
1977[12:15:26] <aricz> -s
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1979[12:15:39] <aricz> anyone have a clue how to fix this?
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1981[12:16:44] <teraflops> aricz: tried.in expert mode and loading all the shit (modules) when prompted?
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1983[12:17:01] <aricz> do you know how to set expertmode from boot?
1984[12:17:06] <teraflops> Yes
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1986[12:17:34] <aricz> ok, what is it? because we have to do this "install vga=off console=ttyS0,115200" .. we're trying to install debian on an old ebox-3100
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1988[12:17:41] <aricz> "install expert" ? :)
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1990[12:18:03] <teraflops> Expert mode
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1992[12:18:17] <aricz> thanks, we'll try now
1993[12:18:24] <teraflops> An entry in grub prompt
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1996[12:20:20] <aricz> we get the same error
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1998[12:20:32] <Pr0metheus> my system temporarily freezes for 5 seconds, it either has to do with the network or the hard disks. I see that it loads firmware r8169 instead of r8111 for my network card, how can i change this?
1999[12:20:37] <aricz> "boot: install vga=off console=ttyS0,115200" ..
2000[12:20:38] <teraflops> aricz: I can't remember exactly but the step is something like load additional modules and a huge list appears
2001[12:20:40] <aricz> err
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2003[12:20:46] <aricz> "boot: install expert mode vga=off console=ttyS0,115200" ..
2004[12:20:50] <aricz> hmm ok
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2006[12:21:24] <teraflops> Well in case you are able.to boot the installer :p
2007[12:21:29] <aricz> hehe yeah
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2009[12:21:59] <aricz> but I find it strange it's asking for an .iso
2010[12:22:09] <aricz> might be it looks for a specific .iso too..
2011[12:22:17] <aricz> since it doesn't fetch the .iso we put there.. hmhm
2012[12:22:35] <teraflops> aricz: hiw did you prepare the installation media?
2013[12:22:59] <teraflops> How
2014[12:23:00] <aricz> downloaded a imagefile somewhere (can find link if needed) and then good old 'dd' to copy it over to the sd-card
2015[12:23:06] <aricz> a/an
2016[12:23:26] <teraflops> aricz: but does the installer prompt?
2017[12:23:28] <aricz> it boots, gets us into textmode installer.. choose language, keyboard.. hardware detection starts
2018[12:23:30] <petemc> cp more reliable than dd
2019[12:23:37] <teraflops> aricz: ah. Ok
2020[12:23:47] <aricz> then it starts asking for an .iso image
2021[12:23:52] <teraflops> petemc: cat more reliable than cp
2022[12:24:02] <petemc> you think?
2023[12:24:06] <teraflops> Yeah
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2025[12:24:11] <petemc> how so?
2026[12:24:15] <aricz> "No installer images were found."
2027[12:24:22] <teraflops> Faster
2028[12:24:45] <petemc> ..
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2030[12:26:07] <teraflops> aricz: im not used to the installer since I prefer deboostrap but maybe the indtaller is missing your sdcard controller
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2033[12:26:18] <teraflops> Im just guessing
2034[12:26:20] <aricz> yeah
2035[12:26:26] <aricz> we've been guessing for about 1 week now
2036[12:26:29] <aricz> bachelor project.. haha
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2038[12:26:35] <aricz> installing a linux distro ffs..
2039[12:26:35] <teraflops> aricz: there are firmware non free images too
2040[12:26:37] <aricz> and we're stuck
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2042[12:26:48] <aricz> but the ebox-3100 is a strange x86-unit..
2043[12:27:10] <teraflops> aricz: i.dont know whats that thing though
2044[12:27:15] <balance> I have a 2 files in a dir: one called foo the other foo.bat - is it possible that the foo one is for linux plattforms and the foo.bat is for windows?
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2048[12:28:37] <petemc> balance: did you look inside the files?
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2050[12:28:54] <aricz> replaced-url
2051[12:29:09] <teraflops> Unless a typo bat files are a windows thing
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2053[12:29:27] <teraflops> Foo.bar/foo.bat 😃
2054[12:29:41] <balance> petemc, yes, foo is just a php script and foo.bat is something I don't really recognize - so I guessed is some batch stuff. :P but Im a bit confused atm
2055[12:29:44] <balance> teraflops, ok ty
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2062[12:31:41] <jmcnaught> aricz: if you want to try expert mode it's under advanced in the boot menu, or add "priority=low" to the kernel command line
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2065[12:33:22] <jmcnaught> aricz: is it failing at the "detect and mount cd-rom" step?
2066[12:34:51] <aricz> jmcnaught, that's an error we've had for the last 5 days
2067[12:34:56] <aricz> today we managed to get the .iso-error instead
2068[12:35:05] <aricz> but, nice, someone knows about the cd-rom error
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2071[12:35:22] <is_null> hi all, is there any way to tell dpkg-buildpackage to add epoch to the version ?
2072[12:35:25] <aricz> hmm.. priority low.. will try, thank you
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2074[12:37:01] <aricz> jmcnaught, what can be done with the "detect and mount cd-rom" step?
2075[12:37:10] <jmcnaught> aricz: i don't know if priority low will help with this specific problem. There is some documentation about this step here: replaced-url
2076[12:37:13] <aricz> because that's what we try when we boot from USB-stick and try to install debian to the SD-card on the ebox-3100
2077[12:37:32] <aricz> priority low got us directly into the configmenu
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2079[12:37:50] <aricz> try/get
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2085[12:38:23] <jmcnaught> aricz: so it looks like it will actually look for .iso files on mounted filesystems
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2089[12:39:24] <aricz> yeah, and we have debian-netinst-something.iso there
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2091[12:39:55] <aricz> but it doesn't find it.. or maybe it doesn't see it as valid
2092[12:39:55] <jmcnaught> aricz: and if you switch to tty2 you can find that file?
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2095[12:40:18] <aricz> the file is on the SD-card.. and on USB-stick
2096[12:40:22] <aricz> we scan both
2097[12:40:28] <oqui> hi guys I've created a script that runs as a service from ubuntu's /etc/init.d/skeleton script. However, when i start it /etc/init.d/myscript start, it hangs. It does not output anything and it doesn't return the command prompt like the other init.d scripts do. What am i mixing
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2100[12:40:45] <aricz> not sure what you mean by switching to tty2 though.. but we copied the file over to both mediums
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2106[12:42:16] <jmcnaught> aricz: oh.. i guess if you're on a serial console you can't switch to a virtual terminal. does the .iso file exist as a file on a ext2/3/4 or fat filesystem, or have you used "dd" to copy it directly to the USB stick and SD card. From what I'm reading in the install manual, it will look for .iso files on filesystems
2107[12:42:57] <aricz> that's what we're going to chec now :) ext2/3/4 ..
2108[12:43:11] <aricz> check..
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2112[12:44:07] <jmcnaught> aricz: refer to that link, it talks about how/where it looks for the iso file. If you haven't read the rest of the install manual, now would be a good time. It'll take less than 5 days :)
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2119[12:45:04] <aricz> yeah, I will read through it, thank you for your time and help! :)
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2125[12:45:47] <ghormoon> when doing a loop mount from file, can I override blocksize somehow? or my only option is to fix the partition table?
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2149[12:53:25] <ghormoon> I've gave up on kernel or kpartx and made that manually with losetup and offsets, but nest time, is there and easier way? :D
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2164[13:01:38] <dagerik> why does cat /tmp/a | while read h;do ssh $h "id";done stop after first ssh?
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2190[13:08:07] <sussudio> ...
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2200[13:11:52] <babilen> dagerik: First: You want #bash, Second: Make that "while read h;do ssh $h "id";done < /tmp/a"
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2202[13:12:32] <Iridos> but that doesn't answer the question
2203[13:12:52] <babilen> It doesn't, no
2204[13:12:59] <babilen> But it helps
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2212[13:16:05] <Iridos> funnily this works: for h in $(cat a); do ssh $h hostname; done ; and so does the while loop if it just contains an echo
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2220[13:21:09] <ksk> Iridos: how about dsh? :)
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2232[13:31:47] <Iridos> ksk, that's not the point... this is something that should have worked
2233[13:31:59] <Iridos> dagerik, can you ask that in #bash? if you don't, I will
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2241[13:34:23] <ksk> whats the original question? why such a loop does not work sometimes? it has to do with subshells and ssh itself
2242[13:34:38] <cisc0> hello
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2248[13:36:42] <hrob> hi
2249[13:36:53] <hrob> I have a broken disk am now using testdisk - photorec to raw extract some files from it
2250[13:37:05] <hrob> its taking rather long -- may take 500 days
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2252[13:37:55] <ksk> hrob: sounds like your disk is broken. not much you can do (besides from investing $$$ for professional recovery, which might or might not work)
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2254[13:38:12] <hrob> every few minutes there is a high pitch sound, maybe spinup, and dmesg reports "usb 6-5: reset high-speed USB device number 3 using ehci-pci"
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2256[13:38:39] <Iridos> ksk, this will be enjoyable to ask in #bash, specially because of replaced-url
2257[13:38:41] <hrob> ksk: yes I think if this continues for another few hours, I'll send it for pro recov
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2259[13:39:13] <hrob> ksk: but I noticed some tricks that pro recovery tools use -- they can map the disk, roughly identifying which sectors / heads on the disk are having issues
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2261[13:39:28] <hrob> ksk: they call this bitmapping I think
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2264[13:39:57] <hrob> that method can afterwards avoid bad sectors / heads on the disk and first recover those that are working fine
2265[13:40:22] <hrob> I was only wondering if there are better tools on linux / debian for raw recovery
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2267[13:41:21] <hrob> ksk: I get the feeling that TestDisk PhotoRec is working a little too hard to recover files in an area that is clearly too slow
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2270[13:43:41] <jmcnaught> hrob: i'm not any sort of an expert in data recovery, but you should consider using gddrescue to make an image of the drive and use tools like testdisk and photorec on the image
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2272[13:44:25] <hrob> jmcnaught: right!
2273[13:44:43] <hrob> jmcnaught: I did find mention of that -
2274[13:45:14] <hrob> jmcnaught: would image copying be more sparing on reads - I hope, not taking 500 days :)
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2277[13:46:24] <jmcnaught> hrob: that's part of it, and also it means you get more retries, because you can then make a copy of the image to work on. if you end up doing more harm than good, you can make another copy of the image.
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2279[13:47:08] <hrob> jmcnaught: great, would I be right, that I can chose only to recover a sector range of the disk?
2280[13:47:28] <hrob> I suspect that some sector ranges are working too slow - maybe on a damaged head
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2284[13:48:23] <jmcnaught> hrob: like i said i'm not a data recovery expert, you'll have to check the gddrescue documentation. and think about your backups strategy ;)
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2286[13:48:37] <hrob> cheers !
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2288[13:49:06] <jmcnaught> hrob: good luck, i hope you get it all back
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2291[13:49:42] <hrob> my mother in law - lol -- those portable drives are way too big now -- they are 2 TB man!
2292[13:50:02] <hrob> why doesn't WD invent a raided portable drive?
2293[13:50:12] <hrob> this is just too much
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2295[13:51:32] <jelly> hrob: you can always get two of their 2.5" 3TB devices
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2299[13:52:40] <hrob> jelly: yes... glue them to gether with ducktape and give back to my mother in law :)
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2348[14:08:57] <obo> hello
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2351[14:09:42] <obo> I would like to know if changing umask to 002 in /etc/login.defs is ok
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2353[14:10:01] <obo> I would like to use set gid bit to share a directory with multiple users
2354[14:10:02] <obo> thanks
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2374[14:17:13] <dontknow> xscreensaver showed me a warning "please upgrade xscreensaver. this version is very old. WTF. debian jessie. anyone experienced something like this?
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2377[14:17:47] <dontknow> does it connect to internet?
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2379[14:20:41] <jelly> ,v xscreensaver
2380[14:20:42] <judd> Package: xscreensaver on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.11-1+b1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.11-1+deb6u11; wheezy: 5.15-3; wheezy-security: 5.15-3+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.15-3+deb7u1; jessie-security: 5.30-1+deb8u1; jessie: 5.30-1+deb8u1; stretch: 5.34-1; sid: 5.34-1
2381[14:21:16] <jelly> dontknow: builtin easter (well, april1st) egg?
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2383[14:22:13] <jelly> judd: bug 819703
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2385[14:22:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2386[14:22:23] <dontknow> jelly, seriously? i have no idea. it showed the warning at the boot. xscreensaver popup appeared
2387[14:23:29] <dontknow> reading
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2390[14:26:20] <jelly> some lovely messages both from upstream and debian, there
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2395[14:27:18] <jelly> I guess least annoying approach may be to switch xscreensaver to be managed like clamav or other volatile packages, if API/ABI allows
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2398[14:28:32] <dontknow> jelly, how does it know the package is old? does it connect to internet and call home?
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2405[14:33:03] <Iridos> heh
2406[14:33:06] <Iridos> dagerik, replaced-url
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2408[14:34:19] <jelly> dontknow: I guess you can read the source and find it out
2409[14:34:33] <jelly> I suspect timestamp check.
2410[14:34:33] <dontknow> but i can't
2411[14:34:37] <jelly> can't?
2412[14:34:49] <dontknow> i don't know programming
2413[14:34:52] <jelly> so what?
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2418[14:35:19] <dontknow> so how can i read and understand source code
2419[14:35:59] <jelly> teach yourself.
2420[14:36:05] <dontknow> lol
2421[14:36:16] <dontknow> great suggestion really
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2423[14:36:20] <jelly> it's not rocket science
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2427[14:37:09] <dontknow> let me learn in 1 minute if it connects the internet or not
2428[14:37:25] <wodim> hello, why does php-cli depend on php7.0-cli when php5-cli is also reasonable?
2429[14:38:10] <themill> wodim: because the job of that package is to depend on the most recent version
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2433[14:38:34] <jelly> dontknow: ok, I'll be blunt: you can check the source, or you can ask someone else to do it for you. That's not going to be me tho, I feel it's out of scope of tech support channel
2434[14:39:04] <dontknow> jelly, what is the alternative for xscreensaver on xfce
2435[14:39:22] <dontknow> it is better to get rid of it
2436[14:39:35] <awal1> xscreensaver1
2437[14:39:43] <dontknow> lol
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2440[14:39:59] <awal1> its in backports only
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2445[14:40:46] <dontknow> awal1, wtf is xscreensaver1?
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2447[14:41:07] <dontknow> seriously?
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2449[14:41:22] <denartha> at a guess id say its a kind of screen saver
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2452[14:41:58] <f0f4r> scp cars.sql_2016-04-01-14:42:39.gzip bckhotsej@172.16.0.10:/backups/db/
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2455[14:42:09] <awal1> dontknow, apt-cache, aptitude search; rmadison...
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2457[14:42:19] <f0f4r> ssh: Could not resolve hostname cars.sql_2016-04-01-14: Name or service not known
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2462[14:42:44] <f0f4r> this only happen on 7.9
2463[14:42:50] <themill> f0f4r: do you really have a : in the filename?
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2471[14:43:36] <f0f4r> themill: yes
2472[14:44:01] <themill> f0f4r: as per the man page for scp, explicitly make it a filename (./cars.sql_etc). Or use sftp instead
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2475[14:44:17] <Lionyx> Hello! With elinks and links2, I have trouble to access SSL certificated sites. Is there any easy way to set this up? Some +ssl precompiled package maybe? tks Using Jessie 8.3 here.
2476[14:44:27] <f0f4r> themill: thanks, I will try using ./
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2480[14:46:03] <f0f4r> themill: thanks, it works using ./ in front of filename
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2483[14:46:50] <themill> f0f4r: yeah, it stops scp from thinking it might be in the form machine:pathname since the machine name can't start with ./
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2503[14:54:28] <balance> how can I disable acl for a directory? Do I really have to mount it with the noacl flag? Can't I set it somehow differently?
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2505[14:55:42] <msn> One of the servers I connect to is using an SSL certificate with no intermediate certificate (though its needed) I have tried adding the intermediate certicate using update-ca-certificates and dpkg-reconfigure ca-certifcates after copying it into /usr/share/ca-certifactes/export. The certificate is detected but is not used by the system at all and smtp connections fail with Unknown Certiifcate
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2516[14:59:54] <dontknow> what screen locker can i use alternative to xscreensaver. it doesn't have to have screensaver
2517[15:00:12] <dontknow> on xfce
2518[15:00:29] <AngeFede> xflock4
2519[15:00:56] <msn> you could go to commandline and use vlock -a
2520[15:01:16] <rozie> dontknow: what's the problem with xscreensaver?
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2523[15:01:50] <dontknow> rozie, it shows warning says "this version is old please upgrade"
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2526[15:02:42] <dontknow> AngeFede, thnaks
2527[15:03:09] <Strogg> w
2528[15:03:12] <rozie> doesn't sound like a good reason to switch to another program ;)
2529[15:03:21] <Strogg> erf. *switches windows one to the right
2530[15:03:54] <dagerik> running a full rkhunter check with puppet seems awkward. because each system change by puppet would trigger a warning
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2536[15:05:21] <dontknow> rozie, what if it calls home to check version number and spy on user
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2538[15:06:25] <rozie> it's open source, you don't have to guess, you can check :-)
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2541[15:06:58] <dontknow> ugh right!
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2543[15:07:05] <balance> I'm trying to get a directory wher acl isn supported, I did mount --bind -o noacl test test2 but I can still set acl in test and then in test2 it's also set. is the mount wrong?
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2557[15:12:43] <dontknow> is it advisable installing lightdm and lightlocker on xfce?
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2565[15:16:54] <rozie> lightdm is OK IMO and WM independent
2566[15:17:02] <rozie> like every login manager
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2568[15:17:16] <rozie> I use lightdm with LXDE
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2571[15:18:10] <dontknow> rozie, light locker?
2572[15:18:13] <AngeFede> so I do with lxde or fluxbox
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2577[15:19:54] <fred1807> how do I know the adress (/dev/sda) of a pen drive I just connected?
2578[15:20:23] <towo^work> dnesg
2579[15:20:26] <towo^work> dmesg
2580[15:20:30] <winem_> dmesg
2581[15:20:36] <winem_> ok, was too slow
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2583[15:20:45] <fred1807> is there a more clean output than dmesg ?
2584[15:20:55] <towo^work> fdisk -l?
2585[15:21:01] <fred1807> not mounted
2586[15:21:06] <towo^work> what's wrong with dmesg?
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2588[15:21:13] <towo^work> fdisk -l nedds no mount
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2590[15:21:18] <towo^work> *needs
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2596[15:22:26] <towo^work> dmesg | grep sd could be more usefull then plain dmesg
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2598[15:23:58] <fred1807> thank you
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2608[15:26:38] <moonwolf1> does lightspark plugin work with chromium browser?
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2618[15:30:26] <towo^work> moonwolf1, no, since chromium has no npapi
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2623[15:32:01] <moonwolf1> so it have do be pepper flash then?
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2626[15:33:01] <towo^work> if you want flash in chromium, yes
2627[15:33:10] <moonwolf1> ok thanks
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2632[15:35:51] <mx204> What about flash in Debian/KDE Firefox? I search for "flash" in plugins and I get nothing.
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2639[15:38:19] <STRADEDEDEDEDE> Ciao a Tutti!!!
2640[15:38:36] <tripout> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree don't work?
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2643[15:39:40] <tripout> mx204, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree don't work?
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2645[15:40:21] <mx204> I get "Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate"
2646[15:40:31] <Iridos> he forgot the !list ... what's the world coming to.
2647[15:40:34] <tripout> after installation u habe to restart your browser
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2652[15:41:46] <awal1> ,v flasplugin-nonfree
2653[15:41:46] <tripout> Iridos, don't understand. help me to make this world a better place. ^^
2654[15:41:47] <judd> No package named 'flasplugin-nonfree' was found in amd64.
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2658[15:42:44] <mx204> I'm on a amd64 also but no package seems to be out there.
2659[15:42:47] <r6ku> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
2660[15:42:48] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1
2661[15:43:15] <awal1> mx204, that non free olugin is in contrib section, not in main
2662[15:43:41] <awal1> add contrib in your sources file
2663[15:44:30] <jelly> mx204: there is no supported flash for linux any more, except the 64bit pepper plugin that comes with google chrome
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2666[15:45:08] <mx204> Okay, I'll do that. Thank you for the info.
2667[15:45:09] <jelly> so basically the flashplugin-nonfree script is useless now, unless you really want to download some known-to-be-outdated piece of software
2668[15:45:26] <jelly> ,v pepperflash-nonfree
2669[15:45:27] <judd> No package named 'pepperflash-nonfree' was found in amd64.
2670[15:45:38] <awal1> it gets "security" updates until april 2017
2671[15:45:44] <jelly> sorry, it's pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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2673[15:45:56] <jelly> awal1: wasn't it 2016?
2674[15:46:04] <awal1> 17
2675[15:46:30] <mx204> So pepperflash is basically the same thing as true flash?'
2676[15:46:42] <awal1> thats for chromium
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2678[15:46:54] <fmerges> does someone manages to save an annotated PDF with Okular, debian jessie here?
2679[15:46:56] <jelly> it is "true" flash, but built with an API specific for chrome and chromium
2680[15:47:00] <mx204> So it doesn't work with Firefox?
2681[15:47:29] <jelly> mx204: there's a yet-another-wrapper to make it work with a 64bit firefox.
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2683[15:47:33] <awal1> ,v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
2684[15:47:34] <judd> Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.4-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.4-3; stretch/contrib: 0.3.4-3
2685[15:47:37] <jelly> ^^
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2688[15:48:14] <awal1> mx204, add backports repository and install pepper for chromium and freshplayer for iceweasel
2689[15:48:21] <awal1> works fine
2690[15:49:09] <mx204> Boy, that seems like a real problem. I may find a work around but it's something that might turn off a lot of people to Debian if they can't use Firefox with Flash.
2691[15:49:16] <awal1> when you update the pepper package, freshplayer is updated too
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2694[15:49:45] <moonwolf1> mx204: if you search for flash or pepper flash and get nothing, you must add contrib non free repos in source list
2695[15:49:47] <awal1> thats firefox concern, not debian project, sir
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2697[15:50:33] <awal1> mozilla, i mean ^
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2699[15:50:37] <tortib> I'm trying to use xrandr for my two monitors I run xrandr --output DVI-I-2 --left-of DVI-I-1 ; but it keeps putting the monitor i want as a primary to the left of the secondary monitor, so I have to move my mouse to the right to get to the 2nd display.
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2702[15:51:13] <tortib> I want my primary monitor to be to the right of my secondary monitor
2703[15:51:24] <themill> fmerges: depends on what you mean by "save"
2704[15:51:25] <mx204> awal1, I certainly understand that but in the long run it really is a Debian problem when people get frustrated because Firefox won't really run correctly in the OS.
2705[15:51:25] <tortib> no matter which command i try with xrandr i can't get it to play nice
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2707[15:51:52] <fmerges> themill: i want to save as PDF so i can share the documents with the annotations
2708[15:52:04] <themill> fmerges: okular can't do that
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2710[15:52:24] <themill> annotations are only for the local user
2711[15:52:50] <awal1> mx204, it runs perfectly
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2714[15:53:05] <mx204> Not without Flash.
2715[15:53:06] <feyruz> hello, is there a debian release with third party drivers?
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2719[15:53:28] <tripout> mx204, you have to sudo nano /etc/apt/souces.list and add "deb replaced-url
2720[15:53:31] <moonwolf1> feyruz: no
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2722[15:53:37] <fmerges> themill: suppose to be able to do that with poppler
2723[15:53:39] <awal1> mx204, visit debian wiki web site and learn about about all that
2724[15:53:48] <feyruz> moonwolf1: my wifi card is not recognised during installation
2725[15:53:49] <themill> fmerges: that doesn't mean that okular can
2726[15:54:09] <feyruz> I think that is because its driver is not included in the 'pure' versions of debian
2727[15:54:13] <moonwolf1> feyruz: if you mean non free you must add contrib non free repos to your source list
2728[15:54:17] <r6ku> feyruz: there are install images with firmware on them replaced-url
2729[15:54:23] <fmerges> themill: replaced-url
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2731[15:54:30] <feyruz> r6ku: thats what I was looking for!
2732[15:54:32] <feyruz> thanks
2733[15:54:34] <awal1> tripout, updating i guess you frogot 'update' ;)
2734[15:54:39] <fmerges> themill: Since Okular 0.15 you can save annotations directly into PDF files...
2735[15:55:03] <mx204> Okay, that's fine but I think most aren't using IRC or going through much work to find those types of things. Anyway, I appreciate your answers! :)
2736[15:55:07] <tripout> compared to other distributions i found it hard to get debian running...
2737[15:55:40] <tripout> awal1, yeah forgot it. thanks :)
2738[15:55:57] <awal1> tripout, that makes youan active user, not a passive one ...
2739[15:56:18] <moonwolf1> tripout: it might seem hard in when first running it, but the more you run debian the more you learn
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2741[15:56:43] <awal1> and the more you like it and get attached to it :P
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2744[15:57:04] <tripout> moonwolf1, yes that's true and that's one reason why i'm using it...
2745[15:57:20] <moonwolf1> awal1: agree
2746[15:57:40] <tripout> also i really appreciate it's stability and compability compared to other distributions
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2748[15:58:13] <themill> fmerges: oh, that's new and very nice. And yes, it works for me.
2749[15:58:57] <fmerges> themill: it does? can you tell me what do you have installed. I have 0.20.2
2750[15:59:14] <fmerges> fmerges: debian jessie...
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2757[16:00:24] <tripout> mx204, the nonfree package is btw. the adobe flash plugin... but it's an old version that's only getting security updates because adobe stopped linux support.
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2760[16:00:40] <tripout> please correct me if i'm wrong
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2764[16:01:06] <themill> fmerges: 0.20.2 of what?
2765[16:01:26] <themill> ,v okular jessie
2766[16:01:27] <judd> Package: okular on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.14.2-2
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2772[16:02:34] <fmerges> themill: okular -v
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2774[16:03:14] <fmerges> themill: 4:4.14.2-2 installed too, but saving to pdf is not working it saves it like a okular file
2775[16:03:21] <fmerges> themill: with pdf extension...
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2777[16:04:11] <mx204> tripout, it's somewhat odd that Linux in general seems to be getting more popular (according to some web pages) and yet software support seems to be going down.
2778[16:04:21] <themill> fmerges: what does "like a okular file" mean?
2779[16:05:00] <fmerges> themill: well its a okular file, a ziped file
2780[16:05:11] <themill> I have no idea what an okular file is.
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2787[16:06:14] <fmerges> themill: its a file that contains the annotations so you can send it to someone
2788[16:06:24] <fmerges> themill: instead of having only the annotations in your .kde folder
2789[16:06:31] <themill> fmerges: how are you saving the pdf?
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2792[16:06:43] <mx204> Why would Adobe quit supporting Firefox Flash in Linux?
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2795[16:07:19] <fmerges> themill: i go to File > Save as > write the file with an .pdf extension added to the name
2796[16:07:39] <themill> saving as a different file name?
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2799[16:08:27] <fmerges> themill: no just extension..
2800[16:08:29] <fmerges> let me try
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2802[16:08:50] <fmerges> themill: na.. still the same
2803[16:09:07] <themill> ah, you're opening some exported archive in the first place, not a PDF?
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2806[16:09:18] <feyruz> I have installed Debian 8 jessie on my system and later foolishly added the testing repo to my apt sources list (in order to upgrade the Gnome to then latest version). Now I have a system which is probably mixed with unstable testing packages and sometimes it crashes when using certain applications.
2807[16:09:36] <fmerges> themill: yes, i have a .okular file and i want to open and save to pdf with annotations..
2808[16:09:41] <feyruz> is there a way to tell Debian to rollback to stable versioned packages
2809[16:09:46] <themill> feyruz: no
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2811[16:09:50] <feyruz> :(
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2813[16:10:01] <feyruz> themill what is the best way for me to fix this
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2815[16:10:11] <themill> fmerges: I've quite obviously never tried that, but this would be the key difference
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2823[16:11:04] <tortib> ux
2824[16:11:17] <fmerges> themill: ok i got something i just saved it as 't' without extension, then it picks it as a zip archive and when i open it there is a pdf and some xml files
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2829[16:11:43] <fmerges> themill: the pdf has the annotations, so i guess it was something that did the guy that mailed me the .okular file..
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2837[16:13:24] <themill> fmerges: yeah, it's not the most useful looking archive
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2840[16:14:10] <tripout> mx204, if you're a new linux user, you can start with other distributions as well, because there are some other 's that are a lot more beginner friendly... there you also don't have to care about the installation of a nonfree plugin because it's preinstalled. try ubuntu, mint, or manjaro (but that's arch based).
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2849[16:17:48] <sappel34> feyruz: "downgrade" to stable is possible. follow explanations in this answer (applies to jessie also): replaced-url
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2853[16:18:07] <Martyn> Good morning
2854[16:18:16] <Martyn> What happened with #Freenode and Debian yesterday?
2855[16:18:36] <mx204> tripout, thanks for the advice. I'm not all that new to Unix/Linux but sometimes it's still a frustrating GUI to me. This is my first try at Debian but I've used Red Hat, Ubuntu, Solaris & others in the past.
2856[16:18:53] * bmomjian got kicked of Freenode for 4 hours yesterday for some reason.
2857[16:19:14] <fmerges> themill: thanks!
2858[16:19:22] <feyruz> sappel34: investigating
2859[16:19:29] <feyruz> thank you!
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2861[16:19:43] <jthomas> feyruz i'd love some sort of snapshot-in-time, system-restore type option in the Linux world, to roll to a specific package set. I've never seen this tho
2862[16:19:51] <sappel34> feyruz: i did the same once without any problem...
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2869[16:21:34] <feyruz> jthomas: that would be great really, wish I had that option
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2872[16:24:15] <hexnewbie> I was upgrading an Ubuntu server, and I noticed aptitute is localised (in Bulgarian). On my Debian systems, only apt-get happens to be localised. I can't seem to find any aptitude l10n or i18n package - what am I missing, or is this an Ubuntu-only thing?
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2880[16:27:11] <hexnewbie> Hm, is the existence of gettext databases like /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/aptitude.mo a thing introduced with a recent Debian version? Because those seem to be missing on this rather dated Ubuntu machine.
2881[16:27:12] <Fjorgynn> what
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2891[16:29:07] <hexnewbie> Strangely enough, those exist in lenny
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2925[16:43:34] <Iridos> hexnewbie, compare versions between ubuntu and debian... also: aptitude changelog aptitude (and possibly aptitude changelog apt or the like)
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2932[16:46:02] <hexnewbie> Iridos: Yeah, thanks. I did those, it seems Ubuntu's aptitude is the version from wheezy, but Debian is having .po files, Ubuntu isn't. OTOH, Debian versions have .po files as far as I could go, so probably Ubuntu are doing something awkward (like using apt-get .po files or whatever). There simply isn't localisation for aptitude :)
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2952[16:51:54] <vadmeste> Hello. Anyone is able to see the GIF of this link ? replaced-url
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2955[16:53:11] <markybob> vadmeste: go to mozilla.debian.net and get a fancy new firefox
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2958[16:53:28] <mx204> Hmm, I have 45.0.1 Firefox in Debian. Maybe check for updates.
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2961[16:54:44] <TomTomTosch> mx204, you have said fancy new firefox that is not in main. one has to install that first.
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2963[16:55:35] <mx204> Yeah, I installed it from the Mozilla web page as I remember.
2964[16:55:58] <mx204> A few days ago.
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2970[16:59:27] <vadmeste> markybob: thanks..
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2978[17:01:29] <Iridos> vadmeste, it's really replaced-url
2979[17:01:32] <Walakea> will the firefox ba availible in stable?
2980[17:01:42] <Walakea> or can i just live with iceweasel?
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2982[17:02:02] <jthomas> iceweasel works fine but it doesn't get updates like the official Mozilla does
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2984[17:02:30] <jthomas> and Mozilla Ff won't be in the repos until some license disagreements are worked out or are changes
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2986[17:02:51] <jthomas> I always start with Iceweasel and after a while I give in to Ff
2987[17:03:01] <TomTomTosch> firefox is in the repos, just not for stable. and iceweasel does get updates.
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2989[17:03:11] <jthomas> oh that's cool to know Ff is in there
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2991[17:03:13] <jthomas> now
2992[17:03:38] <jthomas> but does Debian Stable get updates for Iceweasel to match the current Ff release?
2993[17:03:56] <jthomas> It seems far less frequent in my experience
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2997[17:05:31] <mx204> Does anyone know why Firefox/Mozilla has a licensing problem?
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3000[17:05:53] <markybob> mx204: because they were dumbasses. they changed their minds, thus firefox now in repos
3001[17:06:00] <TomTomTosch> jthomas, it gets security fixes. replaced-url
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3006[17:06:46] <epsilon> only seamonkey aka iceape has been dropped from security
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3009[17:06:53] <markybob> mx204: basically you couldn't change *anything* and use their logo/name.
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3013[17:07:36] <hashworks> Hi! We're starting a debian machine with kvm and use a kernel and initrm which isn't in the VM disk. Can I safely remove the kernel and /boot from the guest VM?
3014[17:07:54] <mx204> markybob, But isn't Firefox open source. Why rename to Iceweasel as the name for a lesser software?
3015[17:07:58] <tty0_> (jthomas: and Mozilla Ff won't be in the repos until some license disagreements are worked out): replaced-url
3016[17:07:59] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3021[17:08:26] <markybob> tty0_: it's already there. replaced-url
3022[17:08:40] <markybob> jthomas: ^
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3025[17:09:34] <mx204> Yeah, I'm using Firefox now but it took a little looking around to find it for Debian.
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3031[17:10:24] <markybob> mx204: because debian needed to make changes. no other choice back then. that's changed.
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3033[17:10:43] <mx204> In 8.3.0 it didn't show up as something as a defualt choice.
3034[17:11:06] <TomTomTosch> debian takes free software rather seroius and does not compromise. it's more important than convenience.
3035[17:11:30] <mx204> Okay. That's good.
3036[17:11:51] <TomTomTosch> mx204, it didn't show up as default because it's not a default. iceweasel is still.
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3039[17:13:21] <mx204> TomTomTosch, I just wouldn't want to use Iceweasel since I have a few plugins that work with Firefox such as a email notifier & such.
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3046[17:16:15] <mx204> Plus, it somewhat bothers me that Mozilla Firefox is just renamed to Iceweasel because what's the point?
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3048[17:16:55] <mx204> Outdated updates & problems.
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3050[17:17:58] <markybob> mx204: you need to understand the reason. it's not just renamed.
3051[17:17:58] <mx204> I've never started Iceweasel and never will.
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3055[17:18:30] <markybob> mx204: mozilla wouldn't allow us to backport security fixes (changes) to stable. that's not okay
3056[17:18:30] <mx204> Well, I just don't trust it.
3057[17:18:53] <markybob> mx204: you can have you misinformed opinion all you want.
3058[17:19:12] <AimHere> Debian mods a lot of it's packages. Iceweasel was one where the upstream supplier wanted a name change
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3061[17:19:42] <AimHere> If you don't trust iceweasel, why should you trust the rest of Debian
3062[17:20:12] <AimHere> locate -i Changelog.Debian.gz | wc -l -> 1853(!)
3063[17:20:23] <abrotman> mx204: that was Mozilla's decision
3064[17:20:26] <abrotman> !why iceweasel
3065[17:20:26] <dpkg> Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. Mozilla Corp revoked the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See replaced-url
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3067[17:20:38] <mx204> markybob, Okay, that's cool. Maybe I have to look into it a bit more. But some of my my plugins said they wouldn't work with with Iceweasel.
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3071[17:21:26] <TomTomTosch> mx204, probably because it's an older version. iceweasel /is/ firefox.
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3075[17:21:49] <jthomas> some plugins also seem to check the browser identity and will refuse, I've noticed
3076[17:21:57] <AimHere> If it truly didn't work with iceweasel, that would just likely be features removed for non-DFSG-compliance reasons or browser identification issues
3077[17:22:03] <jthomas> bunch o bullsht but it's true
3078[17:22:15] <Avasz> !iceweasel vs firefox
3079[17:22:15] <dpkg> The main difference between iceweasel and firefox is the icon. The rendering engine is the same, the preferences are the same, the handling of plugins like flash is the same. Ask me about <iceweasel doesn't work> <iceweasel user-agent> <why iceweasel> <iceweasel backports>.
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3083[17:22:50] <TomTomTosch> well, the mozilla merketplace does not care much for the DFSG.
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3085[17:22:57] <AimHere> I'm sure there's a variation of the old 'weasily identified' joke in here somewhere, but it may be too contrived to use
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3088[17:23:52] <TomTomTosch> mx204, you are free to use what you feel comfortable with. you have many options. iceweasel is not forced upon you.
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3090[17:24:56] <Cook> I have a dell san and a debian server how can I connect to the san and share the drives via smb? is there a tut?
3091[17:24:57] <mx204> I know that and thank you TomTomTosch but in the end I'd like to use Firefox for the plugins.
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3093[17:25:20] <abrotman> then install FF, we don't need to have a discussion about it
3094[17:25:30] <abrotman> But we can't support you with their installer
3095[17:26:05] <mx204> Alright.
3096[17:26:39] <mx204> Jeez.
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3099[17:28:48] <Iridos> mx204, the iceweasel in debian stablee is the firefox-lts (i.e. long-time support) version... that the lts version is older than "current" firefox is the main cause for differences you see.
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3102[17:29:29] <jelly> Iridos: firefox esr
3103[17:29:34] <Iridos> ops, esr
3104[17:29:40] <Iridos> same difference, though
3105[17:29:53] <jelly> they're going to switch esr to 45esr soon (before May)
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3107[17:31:32] <mx204> I guess sometimes I worry about someone copying some software and then leaving or or adding stuff such as Firefox be it Windows or Debian.
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3109[17:32:42] <mx204> I'd guess it's better to have Mozilla Firefox than Iceweasel.
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3111[17:32:57] <jthomas> that's everyone's concern which is why the code is free and open, but not everyone can vet the code so we kinda need to rely on someone to make society move forward
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3113[17:34:18] <mx204> jthomas, Why bother though when Mozilla aleready did it?
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3117[17:34:54] <jthomas> because of license concerns with the redistribution of their product. it's still there for you to use, go for it
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3119[17:35:25] <mx204> Okay.
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3121[17:36:00] <Cook> I have a san and a debian server how can I connect to the san and share the drives via smb? is there a tut?
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3129[17:39:07] <mx204> It just seems like Iceweesel is a lesser web browser than Firefox like for plugins & stuff.
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3151[17:46:58] <pial> dmesg is showing this warning "Your BIOS is broken and requested that x2apic be disabled.Use 'intremap=no_x2apic_optout' to override BIOS request."
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3170[17:50:19] <jimbosss> Hi, after I kill a process, it starts itself back up right after, is there a way to prevent it from automatically starting ? Thank you.
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3173[17:50:41] <pial> or does it refer to Xen Virtualization kind virtualization?
3174[17:50:41] <greycat> Figure out what is restarting it. It could be systemd, sysvinit, some locally-installed service manager, etc.
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3199[17:57:28] <jimbosss> Im sorry, but im not really experienced with these things. Mind elaborating a little on how would I go about it ?
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3203[17:58:16] <greycat> What process is it? What version of Debian is it?
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3212[18:00:51] <KNERD> jimbosss: you can do "kill -9 xxxx"
3213[18:01:08] <greycat> That will NOT prevent the respawning which is occurring on behalf of some manager process.
3214[18:01:21] <greycat> It will also potentially break things by preventing cleanup.
3215[18:01:33] <KNERD> i usually have success with using that
3216[18:01:50] <KNERD> bt yes it is a bit harsh
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3225[18:03:41] <jeff1> is bash the default shell in debian
3226[18:04:04] <Iridos> for users, yes
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3230[18:04:36] <greycat> Bash is the default user/interactive shell, and dash is the default /bin/sh for boot scripts etc.
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3232[18:05:56] <Iridos> mmh, he asked the same for ubuntu less than a minute later
3233[18:06:11] <Iridos> guess that's quicker than looking it up
3234[18:06:17] <greycat> If he's going to ask that for every operating system, it will take him a while.
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3237[18:06:34] <greycat> He'll probably get a lot of wrong answers along the way, too. This is IRC after all.
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3239[18:07:08] <Akuw> i am getting Err replaced-url
3240[18:07:14] <Iridos> seems one of the few legitimate reasons for crossposting, though
3241[18:07:16] <greycat> squeeze is archived.
3242[18:07:42] <Iridos> dpkg, squeeze sources.list
3243[18:07:42] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
3244[18:07:51] <greycat> That's not correct.
3245[18:07:58] <greycat> Oh. Wait. Maybe it is...
3246[18:08:11] <greycat> I don't know about that combo of archive and lts though.
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3249[18:08:39] <Iridos> dpkg, factinfo squeeze sources.list
3250[18:08:39] <dpkg> squeeze sources.list -- created by stew <~stew@freenode/staff-emeritus/stew> at Wed Jan 12 02:35:56 2011 (1906 days); last modified at Tue Mar 8 20:28:13 2016 by jelly!jelly@pdpc/supporter/active/jelly; it has been requested 862 times, last by Iridos, 57s ago.
3251[18:08:53] <Iridos> surely jelly makes no mistakes
3252[18:09:38] <greycat> I got one of my squeeze boxes working (post-lts) with deb replaced-url
3253[18:09:56] <greycat> I don't know if that's the best thing I could have done but it made the errors stop.
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3255[18:10:06] <Akuw> replaced-url
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3259[18:10:40] <Aorious> Hi, How can I solve the following error, upon shutdown? 'systemd_shutdown[1]: failed to finalize DM devices, ignoring' Also, attempting to check syslog, it seems that logging ends before this occurs.
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3266[18:13:29] <Iridos> greycat, one is the archived squeeze, the other the archived squeeze-lts (+ security updates - arch!=amd64/i386)
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3268[18:13:50] <greycat> They didn't merge the LTS stuff into the squeeze archive? :(
3269[18:14:36] <greycat> Aorious: this is the second time I've seen that question, but there is no indication what PROBLEM you are actually trying to fix. It says "ignoring". Is this not just a harmless warning?
3270[18:15:45] <Akuw> greycat: replaced-url
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3273[18:16:18] <greycat> ... and? Did dpkg's answer work?
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3275[18:16:46] <Akuw> Err replaced-url
3276[18:17:11] <greycat> You did not read dpkg's answer.
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3278[18:17:16] <greycat> It should be archive, not http.
3279[18:17:41] <Akuw> then
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3282[18:18:25] <greycat> jelly's/dpkg's answer is slightly broken. I get "E: Release file expired, ignoring replaced-url
3283[18:18:38] <greycat> So that would explain why I only had the first line, not the second one.
3284[18:19:33] <Aorious> greycat: I guess it is seemly harmless, however I would still like to learn the source of this error message.
3285[18:19:40] <Akuw> replaced-url
3286[18:21:01] * greycat leaves the squeeze-lts line in, just in case it starts working some time in the future
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3294[18:25:06] <kion> Just curious, is it possible to install something-backports from synaptic?
3295[18:25:18] <kion> I mean the GUI
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3299[18:27:45] <Aorious> kion: I found that the Package menu can Force Version on a package, however this does not automatically resolve issues with dependencies.
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3305[18:30:26] <Aorious> kion: The option is greyed out, until you hightlight an installed package.
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3315[18:33:36] <Akuw> greycat: how can i fix?
3316[18:34:07] <greycat> Use the sources that dpkg said to use. Here, I'll re-paste it for you from my own squeeze box.
3317[18:34:10] <greycat> deb replaced-url
3318[18:34:13] <greycat> deb replaced-url
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3321[18:35:18] <greycat> The second one currently generates an error. You can ignore that error.
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3323[18:35:48] <greycat> I guess if you didn't do your squeeze-lts updates before Feb 29, you're fucked.
3324[18:36:10] <TomTomTosch> -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false lets you ignore that :3
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3326[18:36:27] <greycat> C++ programmers. *shudder*
3327[18:37:00] <greycat> Can you put that in sources.list or does it have to go in apt.conf.d or something?
3328[18:37:18] <greycat> Would be especially good if you can just put it in sources.list so it only applies to *one* line, not all lines.
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3332[18:38:04] <TomTomTosch> that one you can pass as option to apt-get. otherwise apt.conf.d. not sure if there is a different way.
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