23[00:12:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
66[00:52:06] <aphorise> I'm using virtualbox and trying to
set the date to a particular point in the past with `timedatectl` -
I've tried a lot of things including `timedatectl set-local-rtc
false` - yet a few seconds after having all RTC, universal &
Local times set it reverts back to the current time... can anyone
suggest what else it may be?
67[00:52:53] <aphorise> RTC tims remains as I want - but not
local & universal times... even though I have syn disabled.
78[01:02:04] <somiaj> aphorise: systemd contains a ntp daemon
by default, and in general you don't want to change the time of
your system. Why do you want to change the date?
79[01:02:31] <somiaj> ,i faketime
80[01:02:32] <judd> Package faketime (utils, optional) in
buster/amd64: Report faked system time to programs (command-line
tool). Version: 0.9.7-3; Size: 14.3k; Installed: 36k; Homepage:
replaced-url
81[01:02:41] <somiaj> aphorise: ^^ could that work for your use
case?
82[01:02:44] <aphorise> somiaj not without reason - I'm
doing some testing that's date / time related.
83[01:03:07] <aphorise> will check that faketime thanks
86[01:03:46] <somiaj> look at/disable
systemd-timesyncd.service, though expect other things to get
made/complain/notwork if your time goes to much out of sync
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88[01:04:26] <aphorise> I tried disabling that already had no
effect
98[01:06:07] <somiaj> and you don't have any other ntp
daemons running, 'dpkg -l | grep ntp'
99[01:06:19] <somiaj> aphorise: maks points the service at
/dev/null and prevents it from running under any circumstance.
100[01:06:45] <russw> I'm having weird problems in some
applications where mousewheel events are getting picked up
intermittently. running buster, Any ideas on how to fix? been
looking at evdev vs libinput, but don't really know enough.
101[01:06:54] <somiaj> enable/disable sets if it runs at boot,
start/stop is for services that continousually run, some services
are triggered by hooks, so stopping ti wont' help, masking it
prevents if rom ever running
105[01:08:05] <somiaj> russw: if the application is not getting
the event (or only gets it sometimes), this could mean your window
manager/de is getting in the way.
106[01:09:00] <russw> looking into xev now... thanks
129[01:21:47] <russw> Interestingly it is an issue only with
some applications, but not all. For example, Geany mousewheel event
pickup is 100% perfect (like with xev). Sublime and Wing have
issues. Wing uses scintilla... not sure about Sublime. Wonder if it
is there?
159[01:38:20] <somiaj> russw: might be something to do with
those particular applications, maybe see if anyone else has reported
a similar bug. But it shoulds like the events are getting sent to
the applications just fine, maybe the applications can't deal
with them if they come to fast
161[01:38:39] <somiaj> russw: also some apps have this idea of
double click, so if they recieve two events in a short enough time
it is a double click not a single click, and thus different behavior
171[01:41:49] <russw> that last bit is my guess as to what is
happening, since the wheel events come through as buttonpress and
buttonrelease
172[01:42:55] <somiaj> Yea, from an X point of view there is
nothing special about the mouse wheel, it is just two more buttons
(or more depending on the wheel), and the app has to deal with them
correctly
173[01:43:13] <somiaj> and it sounds like since some apps do
this correctly, the problem lies in the app and not the hardware,
xorg, windowmanager
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178[01:49:01] <russw> definitely odd behaviour though. Most apps
are fine and get every single measured dedent change in the
mousewheel without issue. Sublime and Wing are the the only to
problems so far.
179[01:49:13] <russw> (and I spend most of my day in those...
sigh)
180[01:51:51] <somiaj> start with bug reprots against those
apps, if youd ont' find one file one.
181[01:51:59] <russw> already done :)
182[01:52:15] <somiaj> Depending on the app, some prefer you
report to debian, and debian pushes upstream, others appear filing
to upstream directly
185[01:56:57] <russw> just switched mice and it is much better.
This probably means it is the time between ButtonPress and
ButtonRelease. Maybe too fast on the problematic mouse?
186[01:57:41] <somiaj> could be, I have had mice do that, in
this case wonder if it is just poor coding and if events come to
fast the app discards them
195[02:07:01] <russw> Just to close on this (for interest's
sake), the problematic mouse *does* advertise a "faster"
mousewheel response as a gaming thing, so that matches the theory...
and does seem to indicate it isn't just marketing (time from
finger action to ButtonRelease is actually shorter!).
204[02:13:01] <somiaj> russw: well at least you know it is
working as designed, but yea could be poor code is setup assuming
events at a normal mouse rate
228[02:37:44] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install
build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source
packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation
options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid
see <uupdate>.
267[02:54:01] <somiaj> ChiLLabiS: If you want to run
testing/sid, there is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, and various
guides on how to do that. Thigns will break, you will encounter
grave bugs, and if you don't understand debian that well it may
not be what you want.
268[02:54:34] <somiaj> It could be debian is not the distro for
you, but you can run the development version of debian if you like,
just expect less help and things to break from time to time.
269[02:54:35] <ChiLLabiS> Okay thanks for the warning. I'll
stay with buster and backports then
282[02:57:51] <somiaj> invra: sounds like an error you made, it
is probably a link from /etc/systemd/system/-.mount -> /dev/null
283[02:58:12] <somiaj> invra: do you see such a file in
/lib/systemd/system? Do you have any lines in /etc/fstab that could
be creating such a mount unit?
287[02:58:55] <BalooRJ> One thing I will say about the Debian
backports though...there are some packages that I do not understand
why they're in every Debian distro but stable
295[03:01:02] <somiaj> invra: systemctl status -- -.mount <-
that works for me, seems to be my / file system, though unsure why
it is called just -.mount
303[03:02:46] <somiaj> invra: systemctl unmask -- -.mount then
run the status command again
304[03:03:43] <invra> somiaj: the only thing i did after install
is, install dmraid and mdadm.. then when i saw one was messing with
the other i removed dmraid with apt remove dmraid. thats all i did
in the install i got basically
305[03:04:29] <invra> dont know if it can actually help somehow
to figure out anything... but thats pretty much the only thing i did
309[03:05:31] <somiaj> invra: yea I'm not sure why that is
masked, but did unmasking it do anything? I don't use raid, so
unsure if the mount units generated from /etc/fstab would be
different int hat case, I just see that on my system -.mount is
generated from /etc/fstab and is related to my root fs. is /dev/sda5
your root fs, or is your root fs on some raid?
310[03:05:58] <somiaj> on a raid system isn't the root file
system on some other device?
311[03:06:37] <invra> somiaj: i never generated a fstab, i
skipped the grub installation part as i manage my grub from a
different install.. the fstab is copy pasted from my other distro..
onlt changes are ofcourse the btrfs subvolumes
332[03:10:58] <invra> hmm why would it differ sorry i am getting
lost there
333[03:11:56] <somiaj> is this system a dual boot? Or a
different system?
334[03:12:06] <somiaj> UUID changes from file system to file
system, and needs to match
335[03:12:27] <invra> UUID remain the same unless you format or
change the partitions or decide to change the uuid manually... but
if that would be the case then all OS's would have the UUIDs
changed
336[03:12:47] <invra> at least that is my understanding on UUIDs
338[03:13:05] <somiaj> I think the issue is I don't know
btrfs here as I don't use it. I didn't realize you could
have multiple filesystems under the same btrfs volume
339[03:13:14] <invra> its a 5 boot
340[03:13:22] <somiaj> I would think that you would need a
unique UUID for each root fs for each os you boot.
341[03:13:29] <invra> no
342[03:13:37] <invra> subvolumes are handled different
343[03:13:38] <cyveris> No two filesystems on the same system
should have the same UUID.
344[03:14:31] <somiaj> yea, that is where I was confused,
didn't realize that you were using the same main file system
with subvolumes, it could be that systemd when dealing with these
subvolumes isn't creating the mount units normally, so it
creates -.mount to be the whole /dev/sda5 volume, then masks it
because the actual root file system is a subvolume.
345[03:14:42] <invra> somiaj: look at my /dev/sda5 (btrfs
filesystem) with btrfs subvolumes.
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346[03:15:00] <invra> every @xxx is a different subvolume within
the same filesystem
347[03:15:18] <somiaj> so when systemd creates a mount unit for
UUID=.... which is /dev/sda5, it calls it -.mount, but this is not
your root file system, so it masks it and then assigns another unit
to the subvolume.
349[03:15:36] <somiaj> you might want to look into how systemd
works with btrfs, subvolumes, and generating the mount units.
350[03:16:21] <invra> it super weird.. its the only distro
causing this out of those you see ther in my last paste... i think
the problem was generated with the installation of dmraid and mdraid
353[03:17:34] <somiaj> outside of this error, do thigns seem to
be working fine? Maybe check to see if on the other systems that
-.mount is a masked unit for your btrfs volume /dev/sda5, and the
issue is whatever is trying to activiate that unit vs systemd's
naming of it.
354[03:18:08] <invra> somiaj: no other system has this :/
355[03:18:28] <invra> might be a bug with mdraid specific to
this version?
356[03:18:31] <somiaj> are you sure you just never noticed that
unit, I dind't ralize -.mount was a unit until you got that
error
357[03:18:49] *** k4nz1 is now known as k4nz
358[03:21:19] <invra> well no i am not 100% sure to be honest.
ill investigate.. weird is that on the debian install i get that
error only when i run apt update,upgrade... if the same error was
happening on lubuntu i am pretty sure it would be spitting out the
same error. only differenc eis that in ubuntu i never installed the
two raid array "managers" at once... so i think the
problem is that... systemd masking that service cause
359[03:21:20] <invra> dmraid and mdadm are "overlapping
tasks" is that even a thing?! not sure if you get the idea
361[03:22:37] <somiaj> it could be that you did something that
confused your system to think that -.mount is your root fs, can you
give an output of all your mount units
362[03:23:09] <invra> sure, here you go
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368[03:25:19] <somiaj> well it does look like the generated
units are all masked, so the issue isn't that -.mount is your
rootfs, or that it is masked, it is whatever is trying to do
something to it over DBUS
369[03:25:38] <somiaj> do you know what triggered this error, or
does it occur every so often.
377[03:28:01] <somiaj> invra: anyways, thanks for discussing
this with me, I'm learning a bit, but not sure if I'm
helping much.
378[03:29:29] <invra> thank you
379[03:29:42] <invra> ill see if people at #systemd have any
idea on this.
380[03:30:20] <somiaj> and rebooting didn't fix the
problem? Anyways appears something on your system is masking all the
units creatd from fstab, but I don't see why.
381[03:30:38] <somiaj> but those units seem normal, as they
exist on my system too (though the -.mount name confused me at
fisrt)
382[03:30:49] <invra> i didnt reboot yet
383[03:30:58] <invra> well i rebooted earlier before we started
the talk
400[03:41:53] <somiaj> invra: seems something masked a lot of
units, one user said gparted, maybe your raid commands masked the
units for saftey but never unmasked them.
403[03:42:27] <somiaj> so wonder if there is some systemd saftey
when essing with mount units that mask them, and then in your case
something happend and they stayed mask, where a reboot just fixed it
404[03:42:27] * invra remembers the good old sysvinit and runit
405[03:43:03] <somiaj> I do to, I like systemd. Sometimes it
does things in unstandard/strange ways that I don't know enough
as to why, but overall I like systemd for service mangament than
/etc/init.d/ scripts and run levels
409[03:44:41] <invra> i dont know,it is pretty good but i feel
it is such a big project that it might need more time to mature.
410[03:45:23] <somiaj> I think parts of it are mature, but more
stuff keeps being added. Anyways, let me know if #systemd provides
any insight as to why those .mount units were masked
411[03:46:32] <invra> i will.. i pastebined the whole log to
them. hopefully they know where to look at. i must go to bed now.
apreciate your help
549[06:25:55] <saeia> Hi, I've attempted to google my
problem, multiple times. But I believe my syntax could be incorrect,
leading me away from the solution. I used smxi to install Opera,
There is no line for it in my sources file, but when i attempt to
use apt upgrade it always gives me a message about expecting an
stretch deb but the line wherever it is, has been added for Sid.
550[06:26:16] <saeia> I've managed to delete its key, but
that did not remove the line.
551[06:26:58] <saeia> I found a deb line in Synaptic, but not
one in sources.
566[06:47:23] <somiaj> (well I guess a direcotry is a type of
file, but it will contain multiple files, unsure if nano shows this)
567[06:47:54] *** Quits: BalooRJ (~baloo@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
568[06:48:10] <somiaj> also, you should give us the command you
typed and the full output at paste.debian.net
569[06:48:55] <saeia> I've been running 2k12 R2 for a few
years now. It finally got too full of cancer. I left debian around
Jessie, I apologie, haha.
570[06:50:01] <somiaj> so you aren't even running debian,
then you are in the wrong splace
571[06:50:04] <somiaj> !based on debian
572[06:50:05] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
573[06:50:45] *** Quits: jvava (~jvava@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
578[06:54:35] <saeia> Um, I'm not asking about another
Linux distro. I'm asking about Debian Stretch. Windows Server
2012 isn't a linux distro and it doesn't have a source
file.
593[07:07:16] <saeia> I am. Thanks. Running Debian stretch. Is
there another channel specifically for OldStable Debian, or am I in
the correct channel, Somiaj?
594[07:09:39] <saeia> Because Windows Server doesn't have a
sources.list.d. Wasn't asking about that. Just attempting to
make small talk about my ignorance.
595[07:12:56] <somiaj> oh I thought you said you left debian.
Oldstable is supported here, though we often suggest desktop users
upgrade to current stable, as old stable is loosing offical security
support soon (though LTS will keep it going longer, though focus
more on server side). Webbrowers end up loosing the support the
fasest.
597[07:16:23] <saeia> I like living in 2018. Things seemed alot
brighter back then. haha.
598[07:16:47] <somiaj> !stretch
599[07:16:47] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current
<oldstable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17.
"Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see
replaced-url
600[07:17:06] <saeia> I was close!
601[07:17:28] <saeia> !sarge
602[07:17:28] <dpkg> Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux
3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on
2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should
upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from
the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>,
<sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here:
replaced-url
603[07:17:32] <somiaj> Hmm, I'm surpsied that didn't
give the approximate end of life, but debian LTS makes debian
releases have about 5 years of support, but from the desktopsize,
having a vulunable browser is the biggest drawback
604[07:17:41] <somiaj> here is an example
605[07:17:45] <somiaj> !wheezy
606[07:17:45] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable>
release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04:
replaced-url
607[07:17:59] <saeia> !jessie
608[07:18:00] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current
<oldoldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25.
Security support ended 2018-05-17, repos removed from mirrors around
2019-03-24, except for <jessie-lts>. Jessie is the cowgirl in
Toy Story 2. See
replaced-url
609[07:18:23] <somiaj> !jessie-lts
610[07:18:23] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8
"Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will
receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via
<jessie/updates> until June 30, 2020 for a 5 year lifetime
total. See
replaced-url
617[07:23:42] <somiaj> my only suggestion if running stretch as
a desktop, is probably get your browser from upstream, either
google-chrome or download the current firefox and run it from $HOME
623[07:29:08] <saeia> Yeah Chrome doesnt seem to work very well.
I've been using firefox. I'm so happy to have flash again.
Windows versions of Browsers dont run flash anymore.
656[07:42:31] <somiaj> the issue with the newer kernel was
probably making sure the nivida driver built for it, but your
hardware sounds fairly new, the kernel and nvidia driver from
backports may help
663[07:43:47] <saeia> running bleeding edge hardware and debian
might cause a snafu...
664[07:43:48] <somiaj> you to install the linux kernel, headers,
and nvidia driver from buster-backports
665[07:43:51] <warsoul> basically new
666[07:44:34] <warsoul> somiaj dont know to do that
667[07:44:39] <warsoul> :s
668[07:44:42] *** Quits: Main_ (~secntech@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
669[07:44:53] <somiaj> !buster-backports
670[07:44:54] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Bullseye (Debian
11) but recompiled for use with Buster (Debian 10) can be found in
the buster-backports repository. See
replaced-url
671[07:45:22] *** Quits: flayer (~flayer@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
672[07:45:37] <warsoul> ok
673[07:45:37] <saeia> !bdo
674[07:45:38] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly
backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for
the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable
(<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian
developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read
replaced-url
675[07:46:07] <somiaj> bascailly follow the instructions at that
link, then apt -t buster-backports install linux-image-amd64
linux-headers-amd64 nvidia-driver
698[07:53:48] <saeia> do it all at once with sudo.
699[07:53:55] <warsoul> ok
700[07:54:26] <saeia> good luck. I hope its safer then it was in
the past.
701[07:55:04] <saeia> but, I'm definitely the cause of
every one of my Debian's breaking haha.
702[07:55:29] <warsoul> Run "nvidia-installer
--uninstall"?
703[07:55:54] <somiaj> umm, you shoudln't be using the
upstream binary from nvidia to install the driver, that could
explain some problems you are having
716[07:59:57] <somiaj> warsoul: Hmm, maybe the
nvidia-installer-cleanup took out the driver you were currently
using, mgiht need to boot up into a console, and do it form there.
717[08:00:07] <somiaj> but I think your issues are around
getting the driver from nvidia.com
719[08:01:53] <somiaj> where are you runnign this, did you
reboot, could ti be that the last thing didn't actually freeze,
but frezing where you did, it would leave the lock file around.
729[08:07:25] <f-a> hello. When I am root, if I `fdisk` I get
«command not found». I need to `/usr/sbin/fdisk` to
invoke it. Is that expected? (I installed only the base system at
first)
730[08:07:28] <somiaj> warsoul: what does cat
/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend return?
733[08:07:42] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by
default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su
-l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at
all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put
"ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See
replaced-url
734[08:07:47] <somiaj> f-a: learn to use su correctly, (:
735[08:08:31] <warsoul> cat: return: No such file or directory
779[09:00:59] <daniel-s> I know that
DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive is an option, but when you get up to
that screen (interactively) "keep your current version" is
the default.
780[09:01:37] *** semeion is now known as mnemonic
837[10:15:20] <ksk> daniel-s: sounds a little insane to default
to the package maintainers version :P
838[10:16:24] <ksk> daniel-s: it seems force-confnew ist what
you are looking for?
839[10:17:00] <ksk> from man dpkg: confask: If a conffile has
been modified always offer to replace it with the version in the
package, even if the version in the package did not change (since
dpkg 1.15.8). If any of
840[10:17:04] <ksk> --force-confnew, --force-confold, or
--force-confdef is also given, it will be used to decide the final
action.
841[10:17:24] <ksk> best look up the three and their differences
:)
876[10:54:27] <themill> sandman13: no, this is about the status
of packages, not configuration files. Packages are not merely
"installed" or "not installed", there 8 states
that the package can be in depending on what is being done to it.
See "Package States" towards the top of dpkg(1).
877[10:55:45] <themill> --auto-deconfigure means that dpkg will
move reverse-deps from "installed" back to
"half-configured" during the removal. It can then
reconfigure them later. "configured" means running the
maintainer scripts with the relevant action.
886[10:56:49] <themill> this is only really used by apt to be
able to remove packages and then install new packages and have dpkg
appropriately deal with the status of dependencies
945[11:30:56] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
1013[12:36:24] <TyZef> hi guys, how are you? it's 5days now,
from a netinstall without gui, only OpenBox, i am not able to bring
up my wifi interface. i prefer to use wpasupplicant.
1161[14:38:51] <joaquimBg> I apologize for raising such a
sensitive issue. my nephew had his android invaded by anonymous
threat messages after protesting offensively against the american
government, showing that android has backdoors, what about debian?
1162[14:41:44] <annadane> none that we know of
1163[14:41:56] <Ede|Popede> joaquimBg: hard to keep up backdoors
in fully openscourced software
1164[14:42:02] <annadane> also, that
1165[14:42:17] <annadane> possible in principle, just less likely
1179[14:47:09] <dvs> pileofstraw, it has to be installed once
1180[14:48:59] <pileofstraw> I am in a machine right now, one of
many, where I dist-upgraded from Stretch to Buster, and I can
confirm apt upgrade and apt dist-upgrade have no jobs to do
1181[14:49:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1354
1182[14:49:11] <pileofstraw> and apt-cache policy
firmware-misc-nonfree says it is not installed
1183[14:49:35] <pileofstraw> sources file: deb
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1184[14:49:58] <pileofstraw> I can't understand why its
missing
1185[14:50:00] <annadane> a package has to be installed or be a
new dependency of an existing installed package, it won't just
install itself
1186[14:50:40] <dvs> also...
1187[14:50:41] <pileofstraw> Ah so even using non-free sources
there's nothing in debian that would necessarily depend on this
firmware pack and so it just wouldn't show up.
1188[14:50:43] <dvs> !ftp.debian.org
1189[14:50:43] <dpkg> ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror
for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was
donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use
this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you, ask
me about <mirrors>. See
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1190[14:51:07] <pileofstraw> thank you for the clarification
1308[16:21:40] <BalooRJ> Anyone had any luck running the Plexamp
AppImage in Debian 10 Buster? I keep getting this error when I run
it, for disclosure I have checked the file itself to run as an
executable.
"[13499:0430/101838.641913:FATAL:setuid_sandbox_host.cc(157)]
The SUID sandbox helper binary was found, but is not configured
correctly. Rather than run without sandboxing I'm aborting now.
You need to make sure that /tmp/.mount_PlexamdmSbkr/chrome-sandbox
1309[16:21:40] <BalooRJ> is owned by root and has mode 4755.
1327[16:28:25] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on
Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not
supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>.
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1328[16:28:29] <greycat> *plonk*
1329[16:28:31] <zazagx> i can't remove this. even with
apt-key del last-8-keys
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1397[17:13:43] <greycat> f8e4: if all of the things in
/etc/systemd/system/ are symlinks, then you (the administrator) have
not created any local unit files on this system
1399[17:14:39] <greycat> that directory is used for both your
local unit files (of which you apparently have none), *and* the
symlinks that constitute local configuration (masking, etc.) of the
standard units
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1435[17:35:00] <f8e4> greycat why i wonder: unit files in the
path cant be disabled: Warning: Can't execute disable on the
unit file path. Proceeding with the unit name.
1437[17:35:30] <greycat> The syntax is "systemctl disable
unitname"
1438[17:35:35] <greycat> I have no idea what you typed.
1439[17:36:06] <han-solo> there's mask...
1440[17:36:20] <f8e4> got it. i typed the full path. its fine
now.
1441[17:36:24] <greycat> "mask" is best used sparingly
1442[17:36:51] <han-solo> disable is used to not run it an boot.
Just so, if it wasn't clear
1443[17:37:02] <han-solo> greycat: Yeah
1444[17:37:10] <han-solo> to f8e4
1445[17:37:28] <f8e4> sudo cd/mv not found why? sudo bash
-c'mv' is ugh
1446[17:37:55] <greycat> cd is a shell builtin. you can't
execute a shell builtin as an execve() program.
1447[17:38:23] <greycat> if you want a temporary root-shell in
which you can cd around and have working tab completion and so on,
use sudo -s, or sudo -i
1470[17:57:29] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym'
contain the symbols required for debugging executables and
libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages
that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb
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1471[17:58:41] <simplicius> I don't find one specific for
gtk
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1579[19:20:26] <gvth> Hi; I have to install Debian on an old
netbook with a "VIA C7-M Processor 1000Mhz" but cannot
find out whether it takes 32- or 64-bit instructions. Any idea?
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1588[19:23:14] <cast4dx> diogenes_, i said already that I
followed this guide:
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1589[19:23:35] <cast4dx> diogenes_, when i execute your command I
get the uncommented autologin-user=myuser line as expected
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1591[19:24:21] <diogenes_> cast4dx, well you think i have the
time to read all the things you read?
1592[19:24:25] <somiaj> gvth: wiki says that processor is about
2005. I'd say go with 32bit, but I am not familar with that
processor so don't know for sure.
1593[19:24:45] <cast4dx> diogenes_, yes otherwise you
shouldn't be helping, because your help is useless in that case
1594[19:25:13] <somiaj> cast4dx: diogenes_: asked for exact
output to check something, you should run the command and provide
the output.
1599[19:25:55] <diogenes_> cast4dx, in this case you're
wrong because i'm giving you the solution which 100% works if
you didn't mess up your cofings.
1600[19:26:04] <gvth> somiaj: thanks
1601[19:26:47] <cast4dx> you must be thinking that everyone here
who asks a question is a complete newbie and don't know how to
find a string inside a file
1603[19:27:13] <cast4dx> especially when i had modified that
string by uncommenting it before as per official docs
1604[19:27:52] <cast4dx> i was expecting to someone indicating me
what logs to check , because re-checking the config i made is
pointless
1605[19:28:13] <somiaj> gvth: in gneral most 64bit also supported
32bit, so 32bit is just the safest for that age.
1606[19:29:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1351
1607[19:29:06] <somiaj> cast4dx: I missed you said that.
1608[19:29:20] <JustTheDoctor> right now when i run * */2 * * *
/bin/sh /votesystems/pnd-relaunch.sh > /var/log/cron-pandacoin it
replaces the file each time, if i add another > so its like * */2
* * * /bin/sh /votesystems/pnd-relaunch.sh >>
/var/log/cron-pandacoin will it keep the previous contenet and write
new?
1610[19:29:41] <somiaj> cast4dx: in general it is useful for us
to double check things as we don't know what a user has done,
but I'm unsure what log lightdm would use, you have tried using
journalctl on the lightdm service?
1612[19:29:58] <greycat> JustTheDoctor: >> means append,
yes
1613[19:30:17] <somiaj> cast4dx: you can sometimes get info by
just doing 'systemctl status lightdm' and see what sort of
messages the display manager has spit out and systemd has logged.
1614[19:30:28] <cast4dx> somiaj, well i've checked syslog
and /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log but haven't found anything
that could indicate a problem
1618[19:32:18] <cast4dx> somiaj, actually checking systemctl
status gave some progress now, thank you. I see the errors (that
havent appeared in the above mentioned log files)
1622[19:33:42] <somiaj> cast4dx: journalctl can also give you
info, with systemd, systemd logs the stdout and stderr of the
process, and journalctl (systemctl status) give you ways to get this
info quickly (I really need to learn journalctl better myself)
1623[19:34:34] <cast4dx> yeah it was giving errors related to PAM
that's why it didn't appear in the lightdm logs probably
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1637[19:44:08] <cast4dx> ah well that error related to PAM was me
entering an invalid password once before i logged in, so i guess the
problem can't be diagnosed easily
1638[19:44:55] <cast4dx> escpeially when the same config works on
an os on a bare metal hw
1639[19:46:25] <cast4dx> i guess the only way would be trying
some other alternative to lightdm, since i am trying to resolve this
a week already without success
1647[19:49:18] <somiaj> cast4dx: do you see the errors appearing
in /var/log/auth.log, since you wanted auto login, checking
authentication seems natrual.
1649[19:49:35] <somiaj> cast4dx: though iw ould just get use to
using sytemd/journald better to debug things, it really is quite
powerful once you get use to it.
1651[19:51:19] <ratrace> gvth: wikipedia disagrees
1652[19:51:40] <ratrace> also, VIA != Core i5 .... are we now
talking about something else?
1653[19:52:19] <somiaj> they were saying how their current amd64
install, the dmidecode line didn't state 65-bit under
characteristicts. Maybe older chips dont' fully report that in
the dmidecode?
1654[19:52:30] <gvth> ratrace: My main laptop has a first
generation Core i5 and another one I am setting up for my mother as
a typing machine has a VIA CPU
1655[19:52:35] <somiaj> so this wasn't about the processor
they wanted to install on, but the one they are currently running.
1674[19:59:37] <DammitJim> I'm not seeing that behavior on
my servers, though
1675[19:59:37] <simplicius> where do I find this
libgtk-3-0-dbgsym ?
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1677[19:59:47] <DammitJim> so, we were doing maintenance on the
primary DNS
1678[20:00:28] <DammitJim> and then had to shut it down.. for the
period of time it was down, the applications trying to make web
requests to other servers in my network kept printing host not found
1679[20:00:53] <greycat> sounds like your "secondary"
was not working, and you didn't know it, because the
"primary" had been so reliable
1680[20:00:56] <DammitJim> I wonder if I have something
configured wrong
1681[20:01:12] <DammitJim> interesting
1682[20:01:20] <DammitJim> I guess I"m going to have to
create my own lab to test it again
1683[20:01:48] <greycat> dig @ip.of.secondary.server A
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1693[20:02:39] <DammitJim> greycat, is nslookup not a good idea?
1694[20:02:54] <greycat> nslookup was deprecated about 20 years
ago... it's a laughing stock...
1695[20:03:03] <DammitJim> oh man!!!!
1696[20:03:11] <DammitJim> I'm going to dig from now on,
then
1697[20:03:25] <ratrace> or drill if you prefer unbound and its
tools
1698[20:03:39] <greycat> I use "host" for quickies, and
"dig" for most real digging, unless I use
"dnsqr" or something, but that's not a common tool.
1699[20:04:00] <ratrace> dig is pretty much the swiss knife of
dns analytics
1700[20:04:10] <ratrace> ya dig?
1701[20:04:11] <DammitJim> dig sounds reasonable (I've used
that but haven't shaken off nslookup)
1702[20:05:51] <tyzef> hi guys! how are you? how can I know if my
wifi card is properly recognized, drivers properly installed, and
working properly? any idea? any tutorial? thank you !
1703[20:07:28] <tyzef> trek00, greycat, my problem of last day is
that my wifi never come UP... I guess thats why I could congratulate
in
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1716[20:11:06] <dvs> tyzef, try "iwlist wlan0 scan" to
see if it can see any WiFi networks. Replace "wlan0" with
whatever you WiFi device name is.
1717[20:11:17] * sney hands somiaj a g
1718[20:11:20] <somiaj> !dbgsym
1719[20:11:21] <dpkg> Packages that end in '*-dbgsym'
contain the symbols required for debugging executables and
libraries. The dbgsym packages are automatically generated packages
that are in a separate archive; add a line like "deb
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1748[20:16:42] <greycat> Also "nslookup" is a bot
keyword, so we can't have an nslookup factoid, or a factoid
that *begins* with nslookup. Except there is one. You just
can't read it.
1751[20:17:12] <dpkg> "nslookup localhost" is
"<reply> localhost is
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1752[20:17:16] <joepublic> so, nslookup seems to still be in use,
at least amongst irc bots
1753[20:17:34] <greycat> The IRC bot version causes almost as
many problems as the BIND version.
1754[20:17:57] <greycat> hmm, let's see if we can...
1755[20:18:22] <greycat> dpkg, don't use nslookup is
<reply>The nslookup command is deprecated, and has many known
bugs and problems. See <replaced-url
1756[20:18:22] <dpkg> greycat: okay
1757[20:19:43] <greycat> dpkg, forget but nslookup
1759[20:20:00] <simplicius> E: Unable to locate package
libgtk-3-0-dbgsym
1760[20:20:15] <ham5urg> I'm beginning with an fresh
standard installation and now I replaced exim4 with msmtp-mta. AFAIK
any 'user' who wants to send an email, needs ~/.msmtprc.
That is Ok for user root and any process which runs under root. But
what about cron, it runs under user message+. Do I need to create
for any 'user' an extra email-home-dir? How is it handled
with exim4 in the standard-inst.?
1770[20:22:39] <tyzef> by the way, my wifi card is a Qualcomm
Atheros AR9285... issues are there on the web, I am looking at
1771[20:24:13] <sney> that's ath9k, it doesn't need
firmware and usually works very well, though it's 802.11n only
1772[20:24:41] <dvs> It's a PCIe card
1773[20:24:42] <somiaj> tyzef: do you have firmware-atheros
installed from non-free, some atheros cards need firmware.
1774[20:24:52] <sney> !ath9k
1775[20:24:52] <dpkg> ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary
HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN
devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from
userspace. See
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1776[20:25:18] <somiaj> oh nevermind, this one actually does not
need additional firmware.
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1778[20:25:29] <tyzef> well thanks
1779[20:25:39] *** Quits: Kon (~Kon@replaced-ip) (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
1786[20:29:31] <somiaj> tyzef: it is worth a try, easy enough to
revert if it dosen't help.
1787[20:30:12] <tyzef> ok, thanks
1788[20:30:27] <somiaj> tyzef: I don't like how they
don't give a better description of what errors they encounterd
for this fix, but I see no harm in trying it nut
1835[21:01:55] <oxek> I spotted this is available:
linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64/stable 4.19.98-1+deb10u1 amd64
[upgradable from: 4.19.98-1]
1836[21:02:05] <oxek> but when I do `apt changelog
linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64` I get an error
1837[21:02:15] <oxek> how can I find out the changes in that
package?
1838[21:02:27] <somiaj> Kurogane: okay now I need 'apt
policy pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 ...' where pkg1, pkg2, pkg3, ... are the
names of every package listed in the orriginal output you shared.
1840[21:03:32] <somiaj> Kurogane: oh wait, did you give me the
full output of apt policy, it looks like it got cut off, the last
line should not be origin deb.
1844[21:05:07] <somiaj> the last line looks cut off, which makes
me think you have more lines that got cut off to, either way, if it
was only the last line, I still need the output requested above
1863[21:12:19] <somiaj> Kurogane: this is most likely to some
third party package being installed from outside the debian repos.
Since it appears your sources seem fine, this could take a bit to
track down.
1865[21:12:59] <cybercrypto> Hi there, is there any software/tool
to probe/scan my current RAM DIMM slots and tell me the installed
memory frequency in Mhz?
1866[21:13:06] <sney> Kurogane: you could install aptitude and
try 'aptitude why-not perl'
1867[21:13:20] <somiaj> Kurogane: that last line being only deb.
(and not deb.debian.org) is strange, I wonder what is going on with
your system.
1868[21:14:23] <sney> cybercrypto: dmidecode has a lot of that
information
1869[21:14:26] <somiaj> anyways, all packages in debian buster
should be installable, but so far I'm not seeing anything that
points to what the issue could be, except that strange
'deb.' output, which I'm unsrue why it is there.
1870[21:14:47] <somiaj> cybercrypto: lshw is also a all in one
tool that tells you a lot about all hardware on your system.
1874[21:15:44] <somiaj> Kurogane: if you are installing aptitude
for sney, you may want to see if aptitude can install the packge for
you, sometimes its logic can resolve things apt can't. But so
far I am not seeing anything that points to the conflict, you may
have to start diging into this until you find the exact package on
your system causing the conflict.
1880[21:18:02] <somiaj> Kurogane: also I think sney is onto
something, perl might be the package having trouble, Im'
personally surprised it isn't already installed.
1898[21:21:10] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
1899[21:21:27] <sney> !msg the bot
1900[21:21:27] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in
a private message as much as possible. Instead of using
"!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about
<topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg
topic". See <bot help> and
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1901[21:21:35] <somiaj> Kurogane: anyways, this is indeed
strange, the fact you cannot install perl (and it wasn't
installed already), is something that shouldn't be happening,
but it look slike we have to dig down a rabbit hole to figure it
out.
1902[21:22:02] <invra> interesting ty
1903[21:22:09] <sponix2ipfw> sney: oh.. I see what you did there
:)
1904[21:22:45] <Kurogane> normal install via usb
1905[21:22:53] <somiaj> Kurogane: okay, 'apt policy
init-system-helpers adduser perl-base' what is that output?
1918[21:26:21] <somiaj> but this does look like a frankendebian
problem, you have mixed packages from stable and testing, and have
found yourself in a broken state. I personally suggest reinstalling
testing at this point, and not mixing things in the future.
1919[21:26:37] <somiaj> arg reinstalling stable at this point...
1920[21:27:40] <somiaj> You might be able to manually downgrade
perl-base and any other package from testing you have hiding no your
sustem and be able to recover it, but our policy is basically we
can't and don't support mixing like you have done.
1923[21:27:48] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
1927[21:30:28] <somiaj> this is why we tell people to never mix
repos, you think you are just installing one package, but you
aren't and this one package has basically put your system in a
broken state
1928[21:30:36] <somiaj> YOu should have installed the kernel +
firmware from backports.
1930[21:32:29] <somiaj> (well the depends of that one package, it
upgrded perl-base and removed perl, and is the cause of all of these
problems. A reinstall is the safest way to ensure you dont'
have any other issues from this, though someone could track down and
try to manually fix this)
1937[21:35:04] <somiaj> Kurogane: the bot dpkg gave info on how
to try to manually downgrade stuff. But you could have other
problems hiding, my advise is reinstall and don't mix in the
future. As you may run into other hidden problems in the future if
you don't
1938[21:35:22] <jmcnaught> perl-base is priority required and
also marked as essential, so apt probably won't let you remove
it.
1952[21:43:30] <Kurogane> somiaj, yes but i need to know here i
can download .deb, but anyway i find it installed seems now is with
buster perl-base another problem come then i did "apt
--fix-broken install" now i'm able to install again.
1954[21:44:42] <Kurogane> Not sure if other package come in
future, but better now i think i going to reinstall system but i
going to backup first because i can't do right now.
1965[21:52:59] <Kurogane> i not want to install aptitude that is
why i not tested, but if i can use apt well either way other time i
test it (better not use again)
1968[21:54:26] <greycat> Are you that low on disk space? aptitude
only takes about 4.5 MB. (Even that is much larger than I expected,
but still, small by today's standards.)
2027[22:24:16] <sponix2ipfw> greycat: so, that will notify you if
it feels you need a reboot - and only when it feels so ? Not just a
daily reminder based on time ?
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2049[22:31:57] <sponix2ipfw> greycat: I am pretty simple minded.
And have also just consumed a few shots of Jack. Doesn't take
much to confused me at the moment :)
2056[22:42:26] <oxek> what about the checkrestart utility from
debian? Does it do the same thing?
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2058[22:43:13] <greycat> !checkrestart
2059[22:43:14] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it,
checkrestart is a program that tries to determine if there are
processes requiring a restart after a system upgrade. It is part of
the debian-goodies package.
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2066[22:46:42] <tyzef> guys, something disturb me... I can do a
netinstall and get all data downloaded from my wpa wifi network...
and after the install done+reboot... plop! no more wifi..... so one
question come to my mind, what netinstall use to connect to my wpa
wifi during the install???
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2251[23:17:05] <brutser> hi guys! if i use qemu-kvm, if i have a
debian guest (on a debian host), the left buttons on the mouse (one
is assigned as the BACK button) do not work
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2253[23:19:19] <tyzef> dvs, the answer of dpkg -l firmware\* is
very strange
2254[23:19:29] <brutser> i notice QEMU emulates a PS/2 for the
mouse so that only allow LEFT mIDDLE and right buttons for the
mouse?
2255[23:19:34] <tyzef> ok two are there
2256[23:19:42] <brutser> is there no known workaround?
2264[23:21:42] <sponix2ipfw> brutser: well, if using something
like virt-manager you can easily pass through a USB Mouse, emulate
one or similar with a few "clicks"
2265[23:21:51] <dvs> tyzef, and that's why your wifi
doesn't work.
2266[23:22:02] <greycat> the one that starts with ii is
installed. the one that starts with un is not.
2267[23:22:25] <brutser> sponix2ipfw: yea i am using
virt-manager, but adding a generic USB mouse does not change it
2268[23:22:35] <tyzef> so only firmware-linux-free 3.4 is
installed then
2269[23:22:51] <brutser> and passthrough the USB mouse is a bit
tricky as then i need to shutdown the guest in order to get my mouse
back no?
2270[23:22:57] <dvs> tyzef, yes
2271[23:23:18] <tyzef> ok thank you guys !
2272[23:23:39] <tyzef> I will work on it, what ever comes up I
will inform you
2273[23:23:42] <sponix2ipfw> brutser: pretty sure it will show up
in both places just fine -- try it :)
2274[23:23:55] <lupulo> tyzef, you could donwload the firmware
and install
2289[23:26:19] <brutser> at least then i know it's possible
alltogether
2290[23:28:21] <sponix2ipfw> brutser: not sure, I haven't
used qemu-kvm recently with virt-manager. And I am a simpleton that
is likely to use any advanced mouse functions to notice this issue
anyway lol
2291[23:29:08] <tyzef> well lulupo thanks i do it
2292[23:29:11] <lupulo> tyzef, a lot of people use a wifi usb
which doesn't require firmware.
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2294[23:29:27] <lupulo> or a usb-ethernet
2295[23:29:38] <tyzef> hey
2296[23:30:06] <greycat> Or an ethernet that's built into
their motherboard, and oh by the way, it's not a freakin'
laptop.
2308[23:35:31] <ws2k3> i got a dir with this name
J�ngstentraining 4-6 Jahre how can i rename this folder? cause the �
sign is pretty weird some script are failing on it
2309[23:35:44] <tyzef> my router I have two ways to connect to
the network... with cable or wifi... with cable it work, not with
wifi
2310[23:35:49] <dvs> tyzef, I haven't heard of any ethernet
adapter that needs firmware