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17 [00:15:16] <hans_> mimi89999, nice, i also got a 1950.. `ping
45.62.204.82` and you're pinging one
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60 [00:49:55] <Psil0Cybin> opic
61 [00:50:32] <Schilder> hi all
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125 [01:40:05] <de-facto> Quick question: Buster (server) root on
mSATA SSD (Samsung Evo 960 1TB), trying to reduce write on EXT4: is
this mount expected to cause any problems with debians mechanisms
(e.g. apt et al)? /dev/sda2 on / type ext4
(rw,noatime,discard,errors=remount-ro,commit=600,data=ordered)
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271 [03:44:34] <jim> de-facto, I dunno, you may wish to put a
spinning hd in there, for backups, swap, and maybe also home dir
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276 [03:47:57] <de-facto> jim, not possible
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281 [03:49:20] <de-facto> its a router and debian 10 inside lxc
container with openwrt kernel, there is only this one partition
/dev/sda2 on / type ext4
(rw,noatime,discard,errors=remount-ro,commit=600,data=ordered)
282 [03:49:22] <jim> oh ok... well, the good thing is you have
plenty of space
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284 [03:49:32] <de-facto> yes 800 GB :)
285 [03:50:10] <de-facto> question is if there are any problems
to be expected with buster and usual server setups with
"noatime"
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289 [03:50:32] <tp43_> I am on debian, I have gjs version 1.4.
How can I get 1.5?
290 [03:50:47] <jim> you may wish to mount /var, /usr and
possibly also /home on separate partitions
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295 [03:51:24] <jim> tp43_, gjs is the package name?
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302 [03:53:38] <de-facto> jim why separate partitions? i dont
understand
303 [03:53:55] <de-facto> that would only restrict me with space
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307 [03:55:42] <tp43_> de-facto, cause if it get full, they all
dont get full. Putting eggs in separate baskets.
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309 [03:56:54] <de-facto> but if i have separate partitions the
the propability raises of one getting full (e.g. /var) in comparison
to just one big partition
310 [03:58:40] <jim> de-facto, mainly, you want to protect the /
partition from filling up, which could cause problems
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313 [03:59:31] <de-facto> hmm but i also expect problems when
/var or /usr is full.
314 [03:59:55] <jim> with /var, you want it big enough so it can
store all the packages of an upgrade to debian 11
315 [04:00:03] <de-facto> there will never ever be any more space
than this 800 GB partition
316 [04:00:26] <jim> /var also contains logs
317 [04:00:36] <de-facto> I never understood that separation of
partitions, ok maybe /home for reinstall but everything else is
beyond me
318 [04:00:44] <de-facto> there is logrotate
319 [04:00:50] <de-facto> and i mounted /var/log in tmpfs
320 [04:01:14] <de-facto> gets rsynced to /var every day
321 [04:01:17] <jim> ok, so you don't want to keep logs?
322 [04:01:30] <de-facto> yes i do, but not constantly write to
ssd
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326 [04:02:10] <de-facto> ,v gjs
327 [04:02:11] <judd> Package: gjs on amd64 -- jessie: 1.42.0-1;
stretch: 1.46.0-1+b2; buster: 1.54.3-1; bullseye: 1.54.3-1+b1; sid:
1.54.3-1+b1; experimental: 1.57.4-1
328 [04:02:16] <jim> the samsung drive you mention is pretty good
with writes
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332 [04:02:42] <jim> de-facto, you could try to backport the one
in bullseye
333 [04:02:47] <de-facto> tp43_, maybe its in backports from
buster?
334 [04:03:00] <jim> ,checkbackport gjs
335 [04:03:01] <judd> Backporting package gjs in
sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
buster.
336 [04:03:25] <jim> so you could backport it if you want
337 [04:03:38] <de-facto> jim yes i know, i just want to make
write as less as possible, plus i want to have maximum flexibility
with space hence the one partition
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340 [04:05:02] <jim> to give you an idea... I fit everything
I've done for like 20 years in 400g
341 [04:05:16] <jim> (that's -just- /home/jim)
342 [04:05:58] <de-facto> yeah this one will be a server e.g.
with nextcloud et al
343 [04:07:07] <jim> then you definitely want to protect /
344 [04:07:15] <de-facto> mediawiki, minidlna, maybe
ldap/prosody/dovecot et al
345 [04:07:15] <jim> it's going to be a remote?
346 [04:07:29] <de-facto> yes its an mSATA in a router
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349 [04:08:14] <de-facto> it runs openwrt on 100GB btrfs and
800GB ext4 is for debian buster in lxc container
350 [04:09:37] <de-facto> if / is full for debian i just kill the
lxc container :)
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352 [04:09:58] <de-facto> i easily can fix stuff from the openwrt
system which still should be happily running
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356 [04:13:42] <de-facto> if it really is a reoccurring problem
id rather work with flexible quota on users than having hardcoded
partitions which i could not easily change without copying a load of
data
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367 [04:19:53] <jim> de-facto, ok, I think that could work too
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561 [07:22:38] <jim> hi... I installed lilypond on a pretty fresh
install of buster, trying to print the generated pdfs, acts like a
font isn't installed... since there's not a dependency on
the font, I'd have to ask, which font do I install?
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565 [07:26:09] <jim> actually did some testing, I found that
okular displays the generated pdfs fine, but when I display them in
firefox, it looks like a font isn't installed
566 [07:28:09] <jim> one problem is, okular won't print to
my remote cups printer
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569 [07:30:52] <jim> now it looks good... weird, it looks fine
now, prints fine... and I didn't do a damn thing
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571 [07:31:59] <Habbie> annoying when that happens
572 [07:32:12] <Habbie> because now you don't know what to
expect next time
573 [07:32:21] <jim> it was annoying before it worked fine...
574 [07:32:35] <jim> right that's true
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644 [08:36:16] <srged> hi. im getting this error while trying con
connect my android to my pc...........
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683 [09:06:12] <pragomer> hi. is there an easy way to load a sql
database in debian, analogue like the windows portable app
"xampp portable"? perhaps as appimage? without setting up
a full xamp environment?
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692 [09:12:27] <ayekat> pragomer: what's the goal?
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694 [09:13:05] <ayekat> sqlite stores databases as files, so for
"portable" solutions, that's rather convenient - but
then again, it depends on the requirements you've got
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711 [09:20:58] <pragomer> ayekat: hi.. the thing is.. we are a
little group and have a media wiki knowledge database. now I wanted
to create a kind of "portable" snapshot of our knowledge
to carry it with us. I did not find a solution to export ALL
articles from mediawiki, so my thought was to just take
712 [09:21:23] <pragomer> the database and run it on our laptops;
some use windows, some use linux, so I thought about xampp
713 [09:21:57] <Habbie> so you want to run mediawiki on the
laptop, with a copy of the database?
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715 [09:23:54] <Unit193> If you wanted to create a smaller (and
more portable) wiki, dokuwiki would seem to fit the bill better than
mediawiki but that could just be my opinion.
716 [09:23:55] <pragomer> Habbie: yes that the goal.. beeing able
to export all our articales to any other standard format (html, pdf,
etc) would be better, but I dont think theres an easy solution for
this
717 [09:24:24] <pragomer> Unit193: thanks, good point. Unfort. we
are running mediawiki since a few years..
718 [09:24:40] <Unit193> Ah, I see.
719 [09:24:58] <Habbie> well, mediawiki is available via apt-get
720 [09:25:06] <Habbie> but i don't know if it sets itself
up automatically
721 [09:26:05] <winny> pragomer:
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723 [09:26:31] <winny> it's not perfect, but maintains
presentation in a way that keeps it usable offline
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725 [09:27:36] <winny> it also supports searching
726 [09:27:59] <winny> used it against this without a problem
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727 [09:28:04] <pragomer> Habbie: ui, did not know that mediawiki
is in apt get. Thanks
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729 [09:29:26] <pragomer> winny: mm.. these tools are a great
idea. I also already thought of wget or httrack... but the problem
ist, the sites are not accessable in browser directly as we have to
input username and password
730 [09:29:48] <winny> it's a local copy, so it doesn't
require authentication, afaict
731 [09:30:08] <pragomer> mm, ok.. fair point. I am going to try
this instantly
732 [09:30:11] <winny> ymmv, haven't used with password
protected mediawikis
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745 [09:39:41] <pragomer> ps: btw.....debian 10 kde is by far the
most exciting and best os ever on this planet :-) :-)
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751 [09:44:45] <klys> pragomer, what do you like about it?
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753 [09:45:13] <pragomer> winny: xowa did not start well:
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758 [09:46:51] <pragomer> klys: I like debian because its the
origin, I like stable because of stability (and newer apps are not
an issue anymore since appimages & co...).... and I like kde
plasma because I think its the most "mature" DE... i know
all other DEs very very well.. worked a lot with them.. but since
plasma 5 its the most proffessional and mature DE these days...
759 [09:47:06] <winny> pragomer: might have to install some deps,
or find a debian package :( I think it just worked when i had tested
awhile back on archlinux (yuck), but that was awhile ago
760 [09:47:18] <klys> pragomer, what kind of results are you
seeing?
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762 [09:47:26] <astronavt> how do you manage appimages? manually?
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764 [09:48:34] <pragomer> astronavt: yes, manually. I have them
all in my nextcloud drive, added my path
/home/user/Nextcloud/appimages to my index / launcher and thats it..
I use about 5-10 appimages regularly.. so that good to handle
manually
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766 [09:49:14] <astronavt> that actually sounds pretty convenient
767 [09:49:21] <pragomer> astronavt: it is ;-)
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770 [09:51:01] <klys> pragomer, I use konsole a fair bit, just am
curious what you've pulled together with your desktop.
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772 [09:52:05] <pragomer> klys: this is a complete fresh install
of debian 10 kde.. literally 5 days old
773 [09:52:08] <klys> recently tho I've had to make a black
webpage to form the konsole background so I can read all the chats.
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776 [09:53:13] <winny> pragomer:
replaced-url
777 [09:53:17] <winny> maybe.
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781 [09:54:55] <funabashi> Hi guys can anyone be nice and help me
with source.list, apt-get update doesnt work .. thanks
replaced-url
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787 [09:58:15] <Haohmaru> "stretch/sid" o_O
788 [09:58:20] <pragomer> winny: will try thank. thanks so much
for your help
789 [09:58:32] <winny> hope it works out, silly error messages
are lame :)
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799 [10:02:31] <astronavt> funabashi what does `cat /etc/issue`
report?
800 [10:02:39] <astronavt> or `cat /etc/os-release`
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804 [10:03:17] <funabashi> ubuntu
805 [10:03:46] <astronavt> ...idk sorry
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807 [10:04:24] <ayekat> funabashi: is that still that weird
ubuntu-debian-mix from a few days ago?
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810 [10:05:12] <funabashi> yep
811 [10:05:22] <Haohmaru> eww
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813 [10:05:39] <Haohmaru> y u do dis
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827 [10:09:00] <funabashi> i know its creppy release but i want
this. and i know you guys can solve this problem for me.
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833 [10:10:03] <SPiRiT__> paste
834 [10:10:04] <Haohmaru> yeah, in theory almost everything in
linux can be "fixed" ;P~
835 [10:10:08] <SPiRiT__> *oops sorry
836 [10:10:10] <bendem> "you can solve this problem for
me", "I'm doing something really dumb and I expect
someone to fix it for me without me doing anything".
That's not how free support works
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840 [10:10:41] <Haohmaru> funabashi if we can solve it then YOU
can solve it too ;P~
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849 [10:14:30] <bendem> funabashi, tbf, the error is clear,
you're missing keys. Add them maybe?
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851 [10:16:00] <klys> iow just copy paste from stackoverflow you
can use apt-key that way
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857 [10:19:29] <pragomer> winny: the unpacked folder of xowa does
not contain any file named ecplipse.ini. Any tips further?
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860 [10:20:45] <winny> try launching it with env SWT_GTK3=0
path/to/script
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862 [10:21:26] <Haohmaru> is that a mistyped
"eclipse.ini" maybe?
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865 [10:21:52] <winny> nah, it's not eclipse, but similar
error
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868 [10:22:57] <pragomer> winny: this worked :-) thank you so
much
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870 [10:23:15] <winny> no problem :)
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875 [10:25:03] <padarc> kinda new to debian/linux, is there any
"database" where can i look up soundcards who are no issue
now and in the future? (like, no problems with drivers in the
future/good support, everything is working etc) ... my onboard chip
unfortunately has a known issue where the mic sounds horrible.
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877 [10:25:42] <tarzeau> padarc: can you tell your soundcards
lspci output?
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879 [10:26:35] <tarzeau> padarc: i know of
replaced-url
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883 [10:30:22] <padarc> tarzeau: ah thats a nice page, thanks
very much. I'll look into it.
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887 [10:32:08] <padarc> tarzeau: i really dont know exactly what
it is, here's the output:
replaced-url
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889 [10:32:57] <darxun> irssi
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895 [10:34:42] <pragomer> winny: perhaps you have one last idea..
xowa lets me read from my database-dump:
replaced-url
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902 [10:35:41] <Habbie> pragomer, you have a mysqldump instead of
a mediawiki dump, then?
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905 [10:36:17] <McErroneous> I installed Knoppix 6.7, instead of
debian squeeze
906 [10:37:20] <pragomer> Habbie: yes, exactly.. I exported via
phpmyadmin
907 [10:37:32] <Habbie> pragomer, then you need to import into
mysql directly
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909 [10:37:42] <Habbie> pragomer, making sure you don't mess
up user accounts in the process etc.
910 [10:38:09] <McErroneous> How do i install
"update-grub" on debian ?
911 [10:38:25] <pragomer> import into mysql... I think that a bit
above my skills.. :-( I not very familier with databases
912 [10:38:41] <McErroneous> or maybe the package was renamed ?
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918 [10:39:45] <McErroneous> apt-cache search
"update-grub" was not successful...
919 [10:40:16] <winny> pragomer: yeah you want a mediawiki dump
instead of a sql dump
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921 [10:41:13] <winny> not sure but i think it can crawl
mediawiki via its api too, been a little while
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926 [10:43:04] <ratrace> McErroneous: it's part of
grub2-common package on debian
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929 [10:43:39] <winny> pragomer: looks relevant
replaced-url
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931 [10:45:31] <McErroneous> ratrace: thx...
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960 [11:07:47] <bendem> McErroneous, if you don't have that
command, maybe there is a reason? You sure you're using grub?
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968 [11:10:10] <humpled> they seem to be using a live distro
based on debian 6
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971 [11:11:28] <planetmaker> hi, I probably miss the obvious...
why does bash tell me it doesn't find the executable?
replaced-url
972 [11:13:42] <bendem> planetmaker, did that directory get
recreated by another process while your shell was open?
973 [11:14:43] <bendem> I have this kind of weird behavior when I
have a shell in a directory, and another shell rebuilds the thing,
deleting an recreating it. "cd $(pwd)" fixes it
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976 [11:16:34] <planetmaker> no other concurrent shell processes
are running at that time
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979 [11:17:41] <ratrace> planetmaker: some command called from
that shell script does not exist ; this error can be rather
unintuitive
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983 [11:18:04] <ratrace> planetmaker: probably invalid shebang
line
984 [11:18:15] <planetmaker> the file called is an ELF binary,
also by its file header in hex view
985 [11:18:50] <colo-work> planetmaker, what does `ldd` tell you
about the file?
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987 [11:19:35] <planetmaker> not a dynamic executable
988 [11:19:42] <colo-work> it's possible that it's for
a different arch that your system cannot execute; iirc, you get this
confusing/misleading error by your shell/ld then
989 [11:20:13] <planetmaker> hm... *that* might be correct...
32bit vs. 64bit. I shall investigate. Any way I can see the arch it
was built for?
990 [11:20:20] <colo-work> planetmaker, also, ask `file` about
the executable, and check if your arch and kernel support that kind
of executable
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992 [11:21:04] <planetmaker> aye... 32bit binary. My system is
64bit. Thanks! I guess I'm in for some further installations
993 [11:21:17] <ratrace> if it were an ELF for wrong arch, the
error message would be "Exec format error", not bash
complaining
994 [11:21:30] <planetmaker> hm
995 [11:21:31] <ayekat> 32-bit binaries should run fine on 64-bit
machines, though
996 [11:22:06] <ratrace> in the pastebin, bash is complaining, so
that means there's a shell involved in that
"executable", probably its shebang line wrong (when using
env in it), or another command called from it
997 [11:22:08] <planetmaker> only if you installed support for
32bit binaries / multi-arch?
998 [11:22:10] <colo-work> ayekat, only if you have the 32bit
userland support installed
999 [11:22:22] <colo-work> planetmaker, yes.
1000 [11:22:28] <Habbie> it could also be a 32 bit binary for an
entirely different architecture
1001 [11:23:07] <ayekat> ratrace: it's a binary/ELF
executable, so it shouldn't have any shebang
1002 [11:23:14] <planetmaker> ratrace, there's no shebang,
it's not a shell file... so no shebang
1003 [11:23:28] <Habbie> plpcan you show full 'file'
output?
1004 [11:23:31] <Habbie> oops
1005 [11:23:35] <Habbie> planetmaker, can you show full
'file' output?
1006 [11:23:53] <planetmaker> powerpc-604-linux-gnu-gcc: ELF
32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically
linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.24,
BuildID[sha1]=1492fb666263cbbe26eaefcf20237937b3caec29, stripped
1007 [11:24:01] <Habbie> ok, and you're on amd64?
1008 [11:24:04] <planetmaker> yep
1009 [11:24:16] <Habbie> then that should indeed be a matter of
installing the right 32 bit support packages
1010 [11:24:26] <Habbie> like, libc-i386 perhaps?
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1012 [11:24:56] <Habbie> sorry, libc6-i386
1013 [11:24:57] <ayekat> well, certainly the linker
(/lib/ld-linux.so.2)
1014 [11:25:08] <Habbie> ayekat, yeah, it's in libc6-i386
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1016 [11:25:21] <Habbie> and then ldd should maybe work
1017 [11:25:32] <planetmaker> I hope so. Seems to have done the
trick @ Habbie: $ ./powerpc-604-linux-gnu-gcc
1018 [11:25:32] <planetmaker> powerpc-604-linux-gnu-gcc: fatal
error: no input files
1019 [11:25:32] <planetmaker> compilation terminated.
1020 [11:25:41] <Habbie> oh nice
1021 [11:25:45] <kosarials1> on winehq they dont answer me
1022 [11:25:46] <planetmaker> it has its own ldd for that arch
1023 [11:25:56] <planetmaker> thanks a lot, guys :)
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1027 [11:26:28] <Habbie> planetmaker, that's not what i meant
with ldd, but that's fine, good luck crosscompiling :)
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1029 [11:27:11] <planetmaker> ty. Will have ... obscure piece of
hardware... alas... RT capable and space-proof :P
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1033 [11:28:30] <kosarials1> The guy on Discord cant help me. I
have the same error
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1036 [11:30:34] <BCMM> kosarials1: what's your actual
question? i think i might have connected since you asked it
1037 [11:30:55] <ayekat> they haven't asked a question yet
1038 [11:31:36] <rotaticus> ... i think it's part of the
problem
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1040 [11:31:52] <kosarials1> I need help to install Wine on Debian
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1042 [11:32:45] <BCMM> kosarials1: what have you tried so far?
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1044 [11:33:01] <BCMM> (it's important to know if you're
already started mixing winehq packages with debian's own
packages)
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1046 [11:33:27] <rant> ,i playonlinux
1047 [11:33:29] <judd> Package playonlinux (contrib/otherosfs,
optional) in buster/amd64: front-end for Wine. Version: 4.3.4-1;
Size: 933.6k; Installed: 2920k; Homepage:
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1048 [11:33:52] <kosarials1> @judd is that 4 me
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1050 [11:34:03] <BCMM> judd's a bot
1051 [11:34:05] <rant> 1) this is not twitter 2) judd is a bot
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1054 [11:34:42] <rant> nobody is "tagged" using the
"@" symbol.. this is IRC you highlight someone by putting
their nick at the beginning of a line
1055 [11:34:51] <rant> kosarials1: like this
1056 [11:35:49] <rant> kosarials1: if you just need to install
wine, its as simple as apt install wine
1057 [11:36:04] <rant> if you want to play with different wine
versions, playonlinux makes that easy
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1061 [11:36:49] <kosarials1> i need wine only to run some exe
programs that i dont find on linux
1062 [11:37:15] <ayekat> kosarials1: what programs in particular?
1063 [11:37:23] <rant> yes well there are no gaurantees they will
all work, and exe files may also be dos programs which require
something else like dosbox
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1066 [11:38:06] <BCMM> kosarials1: have you installed software on
debian at all? are you familiar with apt?
1067 [11:38:27] <kosarials1> ayekat a creepypasta game
(google.exe, mixlr (that i can stream Smash Spot), and two games for
now
1068 [11:38:32] <BCMM> kosarials1: you can install wine just like
any other software available in debian (unless you've already
messed it up by manually installing stuff from different places)
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1071 [11:39:21] <kosarials1> witch packadges is the manager the
right
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1076 [11:40:17] <ayekat> ,i wine
1077 [11:40:17] <rant> @.@
1078 [11:40:18] <judd> Package wine (otherosfs, optional) in
buster/amd64: Windows API implementation - standard suite. Version:
4.0-2; Size: 130.6k; Installed: 189k; Homepage:
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1079 [11:40:25] <ayekat> kosarials1: also:
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1081 [11:41:44] <kosarials1> ok i will try it
1082 [11:41:45] <BCMM> kosarials1: unless you have a special
reason not to, you should just use the wine packages included in
debian
1083 [11:41:55] <BCMM> kosarials1: you can type `sudo apt install
wine` in your terminal
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1085 [11:42:12] <kosarials1> on solydxk isnt the wine included
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1087 [11:42:51] <rant> dpkg, solydxk
1088 [11:42:51] <dpkg> SolydX and SolydK are GNU/Linux
distributions <based on debian>. They are not supported in
#debian, use #solydxk on irc.freenode.net instead.
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1090 [11:44:15] <kosarials1> in hexchat is open this chat
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1093 [11:44:48] <BCMM> kosarials1: ok, but you're not using
debian
1094 [11:44:55] <lope> why does ubuntu have the rssh package, but
debian does not?
1095 [11:45:01] <lope> I've even added the non-free repo
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1097 [11:45:15] <smsimeon> since no one has packaged it
1098 [11:45:26] <BCMM> it's in sid and oldstable
1099 [11:45:28] <lope> balls
1100 [11:45:39] <smsimeon> also, for anyone following my openvpn
troubles yesterday
1101 [11:45:45] <kosarials1> Solydxk based on Debian
1102 [11:45:55] <ayekat> !based on debian
1103 [11:45:56] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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1104 [11:45:56] <smsimeon> Snort apparently sets default ports
with service tuning profiles
1105 [11:46:00] <lope> I went through all this effort to change my
container from Ubuntu 18.04 to debian buster because it's
"newer"
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1107 [11:46:12] <lope> yes, thanks I know what ubuntu is
1108 [11:47:05] <ayekat> lope: that was to kosarials1, not you :-)
1109 [11:47:13] <kosarials1> I am the only person in the solydxk
chat. They have canncelled the support in the own chat
1110 [11:47:21] <lope> ayekat, thanks :P
1111 [11:47:28] <BCMM> kosarials1: bad support is a reason not to
use a distro
1112 [11:47:48] <smsimeon> also, the source appears to be
available here
1113 [11:47:49] <smsimeon>
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1114 [11:47:52] <BCMM> have you considered switching to debian?
1115 [11:47:59] <BCMM> smsimeon: stretch is oldstable now
1116 [11:47:59] <smsimeon> you should be able to wget the package
and build from source
1117 [11:48:01] <ayekat> kosarials1: yeah, if you rely on other
people helping you, you may want to pick a distro where there *are*
people to help you
1118 [11:48:03] <lope> why is rssh not in buster, when it was
apparently in Jessie?
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1119 [11:48:13] <BCMM> smsimeon: that would be a clunky way of
doing it
1120 [11:48:16] <BCMM> !simple sid backport
1121 [11:48:16] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install
build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source
packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation
options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid
see <uupdate>.
1122 [11:48:16] <smsimeon> yeah, I know, but I'm just trying
to offer him a solution
1123 [11:48:24] <smsimeon> its what I would do
1124 [11:48:38] <BCMM> smsimeon: that's the easier way to do
what you're describing ^
1125 [11:48:52] <smsimeon> tbh Debian has been really stable for
me with that approach
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1128 [11:49:13] <smsimeon> yeah, I'm kind of an old geezer
when it comes to UNIX like systems in general
1129 [11:49:21] <lope> smsimeon, that's weird!
1130 [11:49:49] <lope> why is rssh in Jessie and Stretch, but not
buster?
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1132 [11:50:31] <koollman> lope: most likely not maintained
actively, or someone missed the timeframe
1133 [11:50:42] <lope> :_(
1134 [11:50:46] <lope> back to ubuntu I guess
1135 [11:50:46] <smsimeon> Only thing that's killed debian
for me throughout the years is adding ubuntu repos, therefore making
a franken-Debian (I was young)
1136 [11:50:57] <BCMM> koollman: stuff can stay in unstable, under
those circumstances?
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1138 [11:51:18] <koollman> BCMM: yes. removal takes more time
1139 [11:51:20] <lope> rssh doesn't appear to be in sid
either
1140 [11:51:27] <BCMM>
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1141 [11:51:38] <lope> How can a most basic necessity like rssh
not be in buster?
1142 [11:51:40] <ayekat> lope:
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1143 [11:51:51] <smsimeon> also, in order to mimick the function
of rssh
1144 [11:52:01] <smsimeon> you could just use sudoers rules
1145 [11:52:01] <koollman> lope: well, no one cared enough,
apparently
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1147 [11:52:18] <BCMM> lope: rssh is a "basic
necessity"?
1148 [11:52:23] <lope> smsimeon, not really
1149 [11:52:31] <koollman> BCMM: well, it's useful. but, no
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1151 [11:52:41] <lope> BCMM, yes, if you want to allow a user to
do remote file copies without shell access
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1155 [11:53:02] <BCMM> lope: i would say the sane way to achieve
that is to just require that users use sftp
1156 [11:53:15] <koollman> BCMM: very different, though
1157 [11:53:17] <lope> sftp is basically scp, no?
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1160 [11:53:24] <lope> what about rsync
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1162 [11:53:27] <BCMM> lope: no. sftp is its own protocol
1163 [11:53:41] <lope> BCMM, everyone has been telling me that
sftp is just scp
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1165 [11:53:49] <smsimeon> You could just add a rule to sudoers
that says that every command for a user requires privileged access,
except rsync
1166 [11:53:51] <lope> basically sftp === ssh2
1167 [11:54:10] <lope> smsimeon, oh, that sounds brilliant
1168 [11:54:10] <koollman> lope: it's not
1169 [11:54:23] <BCMM> smsimeon: um... what?
1170 [11:54:28] <lope> smsimeon, can you please show me an
example?
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1172 [11:54:52] <smsimeon> you'd need SELinux for that iirc
1173 [11:55:01] <BCMM> smsimeon: sudo lets you run certain
commands as other users. you can't use sudoers to restrict what
commands users can run under their own account...
1174 [11:55:45] <ratrace> don't forget you can limit a ssh
session to a single command via the keyfile
1175 [11:55:46] <BCMM> lope: there are basically two ways to move
files over ssh. number 1 is to basically ssh to the server, open a
shell, and run some command in the shell that will pipe data back to
you
1176 [11:55:46] <koollman> although I'm not clear about rssh
status. is it removed and packages.debian.org still list it in
unstable, or is it present and tracker.debian.org is missing
something ? :)
1177 [11:55:49] <smsimeon> yeah, you're right
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1179 [11:55:57] <BCMM> lope: number 2 is to use sftp, the
dedicated file transfer subsystem in ssh
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1181 [11:56:06] <smsimeon> I got confused with allowing
passwordless access to only some commands
1182 [11:56:12] <smsimeon> and forbidding others
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1184 [11:56:21] <BCMM> you can enable sftp without allowing any
shell access or any remote commands
1185 [11:56:23] <koollman> oh, I think I understand. it's
removed but one version lingers on debport
1186 [11:56:24] <BCMM> ForceCommand internal-sftp
1187 [11:56:24] <koollman> sad
1188 [11:57:30] <BCMM> the only real downside of this is that
rsync relies on being able to execute an rsync process on the server
1189 [11:57:47] <smsimeon> ratrace, doesn't the keyfile run
that command automatically on connecting though?
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1191 [11:58:05] <ratrace> smsimeon: afaik no
1192 [11:58:47] <koollman> BCMM: sftp is much less efficient than
rsync in many situations. although it's not too hard to
reproduce the same idea. but it's sad to have to rediscover all
exploits deriving from misconfiguration :)
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1199 [11:59:50] <smsimeon> oh cool, it seems you're right,
ratrace
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1236 [12:27:30] <Bushmills> BCMM: what about scp, doesn't
that count as #3?
1237 [12:27:45] <Bushmills> or, rsync over ssh?
1238 [12:28:45] <lope> BCMM, how does one setup a sftp server in
debian?
1239 [12:29:02] <lope> What package(s) do I need to install and
configure?
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1241 [12:29:28] <lope> Once done, will Windows/Mac FileZilla (sftp
client) work?
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1246 [12:30:38] <BCMM> lope: sftp is set up by default when you
install openssh-server. you need to take additional steps if you
want sftp-*only*
1247 [12:30:47] <BCMM> and yes, filezilla works with pure ssh
servers
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1249 [12:30:53] <BCMM> sorry, pure sftp servers
1250 [12:31:03] <buhl> good morning everyone! i have a debian 10
desktop (originally debian 6 or 7; upgraded continuously since then)
which has developed an odd tic: on reboot it tries to start GDM,
fails, then hangs with a message "Resuming from
hibernation," followed by an fsckd-cancel-msg -- this despite
it not actually having gone into hibernation. i also note that if i
switch virtual consoles & back with noresume & noresume2 set
then it seems to kick
1251 [12:31:03] <buhl> GDM2 into action. very odd. any ideas how
to resolve? i suspect my only real choice is to just back everything
up & reinstall afresh
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1257 [12:32:30] <BCMM> lope: this looks like a decent guide.
ignore the chroot stuff if you want.
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1259 [12:32:41] <zamuro> Most likely you still have gdm config
lingering somewhere. Either you install gdm again and run a
dpkg-reconfigure gdm or locate whatever config you might have and
delete it
1260 [12:32:50] <BCMM> the chroot bits are an optional extra, to
prevent users accessing any files outside their home directories.
makes it feel a bit more like an old-school ftp setup.
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1264 [12:33:36] <lope> BCMM, thanks, I'll play around with
internal-sftp
1265 [12:33:41] <lope> options in sshd_config
1266 [12:33:56] <lope> BCMM, thanks, will look
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1273 [12:35:23] <BCMM> lope: the relevant bit is ForceCommand -
that prevents the user from selecting their own command to run
1274 [12:35:37] <Bushmills> lope: as a side note, most graphical
file manager in linux support working with remote locations by
connecting with sftp
1275 [12:35:37] <lope> BCMM, yeah, I see
1276 [12:35:46] <lope> will play around with it
1277 [12:36:04] <BCMM> lope: i don't think you actually need
to switch from the external sftp binary to internal-sftp. iirc, the
reason for doing that is that it works inside a chroot
1278 [12:36:10] <lope> Bushmills, thanks bud. My clients are all
Mac/Windows at the moment
1279 [12:36:26] <Bushmills> there's winscp
1280 [12:36:44] <lope> BCMM, well in the guide they recommend
Subsystem sftp internal-sftp
1281 [12:37:13] <BCMM> in the guide, they're doing chroot...
but chroot might be a good idea for your setup anyway. i don't
really know what your goal is.
1282 [12:37:34] <lope> and the manual says: Alternately the name
internal-sftp implements an in-process SFTP server. This may
simplify configurations using ChrootDirectory to
1283 [12:37:34] <lope> force a different filesystem root on
clients.
1284 [12:37:45] <lope> Sorry about all the \n from the manual.
1285 [12:38:39] <lope> anyway, I'll play around with it and
see what happens, will let you know how it works out.
1286 [12:38:45] <lope> Bushmills, thanks, aware of WinSCP
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1290 [12:39:22] <lope> BCMM, yes, chroot is desirable, will try it
without first just to see what the default is (curiosity) then will
try ChrootDirectory
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1308 [12:50:18] <haba713> hi! after upgrading from stretch to
buster chromium based browsers cannot access microphone. i've
tested with chromium, chrome, iridium and vivaldi. browser asks
permission for using the microphone but after allowing the
microphone does not work. firefox works fine. has anyone got the
same problem?
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1346 [13:14:44] <HicksD> check message logs when you try to access
it, maybe apparmor is denying it?
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1350 [13:17:29] <Abdullah> Do we have vim (with python support
enabled) in testing? or I can compile it and set it on hold by
myself?
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1367 [13:19:41] <jim> Abdullah, debian/rules generally runs the
configure script... download the source and see
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1402 [13:38:13] <haba713> HicksD: there's no apparmor
messages related with this issue in syslog / daemon.log.
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1418 [13:45:35] <haba713> maybe its this one:
replaced-url
1419 [13:45:36] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1441 [14:13:41] <linarcx> Guys, i want to install `fonts-iosevka`.
But it's not in the repos. What should i do?
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1446 [14:17:33] <Bushmills> download it (presumably as ttf), add
it to a fonts directory. Or use an already installed similar
alternative.
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1449 [14:19:08] <centrix> Is there an equvalent of heirloom-mailx
for Deb 10?
1450 [14:19:18] <linarcx> Bushmills: Hmm.. Is there any
un-official repo that hold this package?
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1453 [14:20:11] <Bushmills> not to my knowledge. but people are
free to create unofficial repos and put them online, therefore there
may well be some.
1454 [14:20:24] <lope> BCMM, Bushmills: so I got sftp working
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1456 [14:20:34] <lope> But whenever I try add the line
ChrootDirectory /home/foo
1457 [14:20:34] <Bushmills> that's good
1458 [14:20:36] <lope> it goes to shit
1459 [14:20:41] <lope> Can't connect
1460 [14:21:00] <lope> the ssh server starts okay, but clients
can't connect
1461 [14:21:13] <Bushmills> not at all? or just not with specific
paths?
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1463 [14:21:34] <lope> Well, perhaps I need to set a default path
in filezilla of /home/foo
1464 [14:21:36] <lope> will try that.
1465 [14:21:42] <lope> it literally won't connect though
1466 [14:21:56] <Bushmills> well, essentially, if you can ssh, you
can also sftp or scp
1467 [14:22:22] <Bushmills> if neither works, review your
authentication method or setup
1468 [14:22:52] <Bushmills> you probably want key authentication
for sftp
1469 [14:22:54] <BCMM> Bushmills: not always the case. the sftp
subsystem can be disabled, or misconfigured, or not installed (the
latter being common on dropbear servers)
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1471 [14:23:15] <BCMM> lope: can you pastebin relevant parts of
your sshd_config?
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1473 [14:23:24] <ratrace> lope: the manpage lists specific
restrictions you nee for the ChrootDirectory
1474 [14:23:42] <Bushmills> BCMM: while that's true, it all
required extra steps apart from simply installing opensshd
1475 [14:23:45] <ratrace> ie. owned by root, not writable by group
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1477 [14:23:55] <BCMM> Bushmills: on debian, that is indeed
correct
1478 [14:24:41] <BCMM> lope: are you using internal-sftp? if
you're using the external binary /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server,
it won't work in a chroot
1479 [14:24:58] <BCMM> (because the user sshd process won't
have access to that binary)
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1497 [14:30:13] <lope> BCMM, thanks. The relevant parts are:
1498 [14:30:14] <lope> Subsystem sftp internal-sftp
1499 [14:30:15] <lope> Match User sftp-test
1500 [14:30:15] <lope> ForceCommand internal-sftp
1501 [14:30:15] <lope> ChrootDirectory /home/sftp-guy
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1504 [14:30:33] <ratrace> lope: srsly, as if you never used irc
before
1505 [14:30:52] <lope> If I comment out ChrootDirectory, then the
client can connect, if the ChrootDirectory line is there, he
can't connect
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1507 [14:31:07] <lope> ratrace, only 4 short lines bro, chill
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1509 [14:31:19] <BCMM> !pastebin
1510 [14:31:20] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
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1512 [14:31:38] <ratrace> lope: did you constrain the chroot
directory (/home/sftp-guy) to be owned by root and not writable by
anyone else?
1513 [14:31:51] <ratrace> lope: it was more than 5, thus the kick
1514 [14:31:59] <lope> ratrace, the /home/sftp-guy dir is owned by
sftp-guy
1515 [14:32:07] <ratrace> lope: right, it needs to be owned by
root
1516 [14:32:19] <ratrace> read the manpage for sshd_config,
ChrootDirectory option, first sentence
1517 [14:32:22] <lope> ratrace, I want the user to be able to RW
though?
1518 [14:32:26] <lope> k
1519 [14:32:34] <ratrace> lope: you can't in the chroot root
1520 [14:32:45] <ratrace> pre-create the dirs the user can write
to
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1522 [14:33:02] <lope> can the user RW to a subdir of the chroot?
1523 [14:33:12] <ratrace> yes
1524 [14:33:19] <lope> oh, that's fine then
1525 [14:33:49] <ratrace> the constraint is that the
ChrootDirectory must be owned by root, which means the user
can't do any modifications in the ChrootDirectory itself, but
yes, it can in user-owned subdirectories
1526 [14:34:16] <ratrace> trick is, you need to pre-create the
subdirs, as the user can't mkdir in the ChrootDirectory
1527 [14:34:56] <lope> fair enough, trying it out
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1537 [14:37:16] <lope> it works :)
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1539 [14:37:23] <lope> thanks ratrace, BCMM
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1541 [14:39:27] <BCMM> ratrace: what's the rationale behind
that restriction? is it because the user might be able to break out
of the chroot by moving the directory, if they owned it?
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1549 [14:43:54] <lope> is nobody always 65534 ?
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1553 [14:44:51] <EmleyMoor> nobody is the highest possible number
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1555 [14:45:17] <BCMM> EmleyMoor: what is 65535 used for, then?
1556 [14:45:19] <lope> well, it's not really
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1558 [14:45:39] <lope> because containers etc with limited access
get their UID's starting at 100k
1559 [14:45:44] <ratrace> BCMM: I think so, yes, double-chroot
trickery can break out, something along those lines
1560 [14:45:59] <lope> so for example UID 1000 on a container is
101000 on the host
1561 [14:46:05] <lope> which is > 65534
1562 [14:46:19] <lope> And then nobody in a container would be
165534 I guess
1563 [14:46:28] <pipp8> Hi, all, just updated from 9 to 10 and
openvpn stopped routing(it works I'm able to connect to it but
I cannot go outside) I'm lost, some suggestion?
1564 [14:46:30] <BCMM> EmleyMoor; lope:
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1567 [14:47:06] <lope> thanks
1568 [14:47:07] <han-solo> pipp8: cannot go outside as in `not
able to ping google.com` ?
1569 [14:47:09] <hans_> how the frick does df conclude that
1999309373440 bytes is approximately 1.1T? shouldn't it be
~1.9T?
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1570 [14:47:24] <BCMM> it's not the highest possible number,
and you can't rely on it in general
1571 [14:47:36] <lope> hans_, what's 0.9T between friends?
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1573 [14:48:05] <Bushmills> pipp8: is that reflected in your
routing table?
1574 [14:48:05] <BCMM> lope: 65534 is the default in debian, but
an administrator could conceivably change that on their system
1575 [14:48:14] <hans_> if it was a 32bit system, i might have
blamed 32bit ints, but it's a 64bit system
1576 [14:48:30] <dvs> hans_, because we're not hard drive
manufacturers. 1K = 1024 bytes
1577 [14:49:08] <Habbie> no
1578 [14:49:11] <Habbie> that's not why
1579 [14:49:18] <Habbie> try du -h --apparent-bytes
1580 [14:49:22] <Habbie> eh
1581 [14:49:23] <pipp8> han-solo, no, when I'm connected to
vpn I cannot ping google from my client. I can ping it from server
1582 [14:49:24] <Habbie> try du -h --apparent-size
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1585 [14:49:46] <BCMM> dvs: that doesn't come close to
covering the difference, though
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1587 [14:50:03] <Habbie> the difference is that the file is about
40% sparse
1588 [14:50:06] <pipp8> Bushmills, do u mean client side?
1589 [14:50:15] <hans_> dvs, 1999309373440/1024 = 1952450560
kilobytes, /1024 = 1906690 megabytes, /1024 = 1862 gigabytes...
1590 [14:50:26] <Habbie> hans_, du -h --apparent-size
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1592 [14:50:29] <BCMM> dvs: 1,024^4 = 1,099,511,627,776
1593 [14:50:34] <Bushmills> pipp8: correct. client must have a
reason to route through openvpn. is that the case?
1594 [14:50:58] <hans_> huh, i get the expected 1.9T with du -h
--apparent-size
1595 [14:51:08] <Habbie> yes
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1597 [14:51:13] <BCMM> i can't see any reason for a TB to be
more than 1.1 trillion bytes
1598 [14:51:17] <Habbie> --bytes implies --apparent-size
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1600 [14:52:28] <BCMM> Habbie: any chance this is a sparse file?
1601 [14:52:41] <hans_> so.. 0.8TB or so of that file is probably
just sparse null bytes?
1602 [14:52:43] <Habbie> BCMM, i said sparse above - it's
that or perhaps a compressing filesystem
1603 [14:52:45] <Habbie> hans_, likely
1604 [14:52:53] <BCMM> Habbie: sorry, i meant to highlight hans_
1605 [14:52:56] <Habbie> BCMM, ah :)
1606 [14:53:01] <hans_> that's impressive of zstd
1607 [14:53:05] <BCMM> hans_: that's a very common thing to
do with filesystem images
1608 [14:53:12] <hans_> because that file was made with `zstd
--decompress file.zstd`
1609 [14:53:25] <hans_> does gzip do that too?
1610 [14:53:39] <hans_> create sparse bytes when the extracted
data is all zeroes?
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1612 [14:53:53] <Habbie> the gzip manpage does not mention it
1613 [14:53:58] <Habbie> (the zstd manpage does mention it)
1614 [14:54:01] <Habbie> so i don't know
1615 [14:54:01] <BCMM> hans_: so if this is e.g. an image of a
~2TB filesystem that's about half full, as long as the empty
space is zero'ed out, it can be represented as a sparse file
1616 [14:54:11] <Habbie> you could always use dd to re-sparse it
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1618 [14:54:25] <hans_> +1 for zstd!
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1620 [14:54:40] <Habbie> :)
1621 [14:54:48] <BCMM> hans_: how did you compress and extract the
file exactly?
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1623 [14:55:06] <BCMM> i don't think gzip natively does
sparseness, but tar should, for example.
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1626 [14:55:16] <BCMM> oh sorry you already said the answer above
1627 [14:55:31] <OS-51066> msg /NikServ IDENTIFY Tweetybird3434!@
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1630 [14:55:37] <Habbie> tar also has the ability to store
sparseness
1631 [14:55:43] * dvs steals a password!
1632 [14:55:45] <hans_> BCMM, i compressed it like this: sudo dd
conv=noerror,sync iflag=fullblock bs=10M if=/dev/sdc | zstd -6 -z -
| ssh orescue@49.62.204.82 "dd bs=10M iflag=fullblock
of=ratma.disk.zstd6.zstd status=progress"
1633 [14:56:08] <Habbie> the point is how you uncompressed it, not
how you compressed it :)
1634 [14:56:33] <hans_> BCMM, i decompressed it like this: zstd
--decompress --threads=$(nproc) -o decompressed.image --keep
ratma.disk.zstd6.zstd
1635 [14:56:47] <BCMM> hans_: looks like sparse output is default
when the output is a file
1636 [14:57:03] <BCMM> see man zstd
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1677 [15:24:17] <wwilliam> Hello can anyone help to tell me what
is wrong for information this share mounts from windowze boxes
without askin for user name or pw.
1678 [15:24:19] <wwilliam>
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1679 [15:24:22] <wwilliam> thank you.
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1698 [15:37:01] <jhutchins> wwilliam: Use a credentials file.
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1704 [15:38:56] <wwilliam> jhutchins: I get the same result.
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1706 [15:39:57] <BCMM> wwilliam: what sort of server are you
using? windows? samba? some NAS appliance?
1707 [15:41:33] <greycat> BCMM: for what it's worth,
we've been trying to figure out what the hell wwilliam is doing
in #bash for almost a whole year now, and we're not much closer
to figuring it out than when we started.
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1710 [15:42:11] <greycat> He consistently refuses to give ANY
useful info, and he's a complete help vampire.
1711 [15:43:33] <BCMM> i'll probably just dump the only good
thought i've got and go and do something else, then. wwilliam;
try sec=something
1712 [15:44:25] <BCMM> sometimes NAS boxes need ancient forms of
password hashing that samba won't try by default any more
1713 [15:44:41] <wwilliam> is a nas according to the guy that
handles that BCMM
1714 [15:44:57] <wwilliam> he said is using cifs
1715 [15:45:02] <greycat> reminds me of /msg dpkg jessie samba
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1717 [15:45:50] <wwilliam> his words "srvnjnas1001 is
configured for a windows share CIFS"
1718 [15:45:53] <BCMM> greycat: yeah, pretty much that (but for
outdated servers instead of outdated clients)
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1724 [15:47:35] <BCMM> wwilliam: well, if you're very sure
that the username, password and domain are correct, look in your
mount.cifs for possible values of sec=
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1727 [15:48:01] <wwilliam> ok Thank you.
1728 [15:48:02] <BCMM> if the server is old and stupid, you
probably need sec=ntlm
1729 [15:48:14] <wwilliam> testing that.
1730 [15:48:27] <BCMM> (and if you're using kernel >=3.8,
that's no longer the default)
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1732 [15:49:20] <wwilliam> Kernel is 4.4.178-94.91
1733 [15:49:42] <wwilliam> and using that sec gave me the same
permission denied.
1734 [15:49:56] <wwilliam> i will test with all the secs.
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1737 [15:51:44] <ratrace> wwilliam: that's not debian, is it?
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1739 [15:52:28] <greycat> From past discussions with him, he has
some OpenSUSE systems, some Debian systems, and many many Windows
systems. He uses Windows on his desktop, and doesn't really
understand Unix.
1740 [15:52:33] <wwilliam> not this one
1741 [15:52:44] <wwilliam> Suse
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1743 [15:53:07] <ratrace> greycat: oh another one of those
people..... *goes back to work*
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1751 [15:55:32] <BCMM> wwilliam: opensuse presumably has an irc
channel of it's won
1752 [15:55:50] <wwilliam> happens in debian also
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1754 [15:56:07] <wwilliam> i tried #cifs but is non existent.
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1762 [15:59:51] <hans_> does Buster support LXC 3.0?
1763 [16:00:12] <Habbie> ,v lxc
1764 [16:00:13] <judd> Package: lxc on amd64 -- jessie-security:
1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u6; stretch:
1:2.0.7-2+deb9u2; bullseye: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.3-8; buster:
1:3.1.0+really3.0.3-8; sid: 1:3.1.0+really3.0.3-8
1765 [16:00:29] <greycat> version strings are hilarious
1766 [16:00:38] <Habbie> yes
1767 [16:00:40] <ratrace> heh, 3.1.0-but-srsly-this-is-3.0.3
1768 [16:00:41] <Habbie> and sad
1769 [16:00:46] <hans_> wtf
1770 [16:00:51] <han-solo> it's sad `shutter` didn't
make it to buster. Understandable but, none is working on it, right
?
1771 [16:01:00] <hans_> shutter?
1772 [16:01:10] <han-solo> the screen capture util
1773 [16:01:12] <greycat> !shutter
1774 [16:01:16] <greycat> ,v shutter
1775 [16:01:17] <judd> Package: shutter on amd64 -- jessie:
0.92-0.1+deb8u2; stretch: 0.93.1-1.3
1776 [16:01:34] <themill> 1.1.0~beta0+really1.0.0~rc0+devel1-2 or
0.0~git20190103.40eba7e+really0.0~git20181023.b4e2780-3 are my
favourites in buster....
1777 [16:01:57] <greycat>
replaced-url
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1779 [16:02:10] <greycat> "ROM; depends on obsolete GNOME2
libraries, inactive upstream"
1780 [16:02:18] <han-solo> Yeah
1781 [16:02:23] <ratrace> iirc, those "really" packages
are usually post-release downgrades when some serious bugs are
discovered after release
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1785 [16:03:11] <tarzeau> han-solo: you know scrot?
1786 [16:03:17] <themill> ratrace: upload, not release
1787 [16:04:40] <ratrace> themill: what do you mean?
1788 [16:04:45] <han-solo> tarzeau: nope, now i just settle with
`spectacle` which is fine, but not as good as shutter
1789 [16:05:02] <themill> ratrace: these are not changes that were
made after release
1790 [16:05:07] <tarzeau> never heard of both. prefer scrot and
feh
1791 [16:05:20] <astronavt> fim > feh because fim works in tmux
in the linux console
1792 [16:05:42] <han-solo> tarzeau: Okay. Let me see
1793 [16:06:09] <tarzeau> astronavt: cacaview also works in
console
1794 [16:06:20] <astronavt> good to know
1795 [16:06:29] <astronavt> wait thats ascii
1796 [16:06:29] <greycat> what does "shutter" do
that's special, and why does it use GNOME2 libraries?
1797 [16:06:39] <astronavt> fim actually displays images
1798 [16:06:48] <tarzeau> astronavt: so does cacaview, with
colors!
1799 [16:06:50] <rotaticus> catimg also works in console
1800 [16:06:53] <tw> How can I delete this file?
replaced-url
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1804 [16:08:19] <greycat> tw: undo the chattr -i part first.
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1806 [16:09:03] <ratrace> greycat: then i guess post-release
changes like these are only in ubuntu, like intel-microcode that
seriously broke things some months ago
1807 [16:09:07] <greycat> tw: ... or, this is file system
corruption, in which case you want to fsck this device and maybe the
file'll go away on its own, or be moved to /lost+found, or at
least be touchable.
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1809 [16:09:25] <tw> it's filesystem corruption. This is
postfsck.
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1811 [16:09:52] <tarzeau> does unlink sometimes work instead of
rm?
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1813 [16:10:14] <greycat> he didn't even *try* rm, or
didn't show it if he did
1814 [16:10:23] <netcrash> I have uninstalled icingaweb2 and did a
purge, rm -Rf /etc/icingaweb2 ; and did a new apt install icingaweb2
. the directory now does not get created , what can it be?
1815 [16:10:42] <tw> greycat: didn't show it, it doesn't
work.
1816 [16:10:52] <tw> neither does unlink =/
1817 [16:11:05] <tarzeau> tw: but rm doesn't tell "it
doesn't work", ever :)
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1819 [16:11:25] <tw> if only that were true.
1820 [16:11:35] <tw> Operation not permitted
1821 [16:11:45] <tarzeau> that's completely different to
"it doesn't work"
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1825 [16:12:47] <greycat> tw: is this being done over NFS, or any
other network file system, or is it being done to one of these
ridiculously overengineered things like btrfs or ZFS?
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1827 [16:12:56] <tw> local filesystem, ext4.
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1831 [16:13:52] * tarzeau likes btrfs with compression, and xfs too
1832 [16:14:31] <greycat> Well, unlink(2) shows 4 reasons you can
get EPERM ("Operation not permitted"), and as near as I
can guess, the most likely one is the last one, "The file to be
unlinked is marked immutable or append-only."
1833 [16:14:42] <tw> Why would lsattr return EPERM for root?
1834 [16:14:54] <greycat> unlink(2) shows 4 reasons.
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1836 [16:15:11] <tarzeau> tw: what does ls -lad . say?
1837 [16:15:18] <greycat> now what the hell does lsattr do...
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1840 [16:15:47] <greycat> Doesn't list any system calls in
the man page, so I guess you'd have to strace it.
1841 [16:15:57] <tw> tarzeau: the normal, d 755 2 root root 4096
jul 30 09:55 .
1842 [16:16:13] <greycat> why on earth would you not just PASTE
the one line of output
1843 [16:16:23] <tw> because it's vnc and I can't copy
1844 [16:16:34] <tw> ipmi
1845 [16:17:25] <han-solo> command | curl -F 'f:1=<-'
replaced-url
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1849 [16:17:57] <ratrace> ... | nc termbin.com 9999
1850 [16:18:21] <han-solo> wait
1851 [16:18:22] <han-solo> Yeah
1852 [16:18:24] <han-solo> use that
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1854 [16:19:03] <greycat> are you able to create and remove a new
file in this same directory?
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1856 [16:20:26] <tw> yes, that works fine, both touch & rm
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1858 [16:21:41] <vsayikiran> hi I am buying new micprocessor
online and asked my vendor if processor is new unboxed one. He
replied that "processor is used for teardown". I tried
searching meaning(both literal and technically) of this phrase in
google but no help. Please some native speakers help me to
understand what it means.
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1860 [16:22:01] <Habbie> vsayikiran, i don't know what that
means
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1863 [16:22:21] <han-solo> What does that even mean ? :/
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1865 [16:22:27] <greycat> sounds like it's NOT "new
unboxed"
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1867 [16:22:44] <Habbie> it certainly sounds like it's not
new, no
1868 [16:22:49] <greycat> if I'm even guessing what you mean
by "new unboxed"
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1872 [16:23:53] <vsayikiran> greycat: new unboxed means that which
is packed and not opened or not installed. so buyer will be using it
for first time
1873 [16:24:26] <tw> So you mean "new in box"?
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1875 [16:24:49] <vsayikiran> tw: yes brand new directly shipped
from manufacturer to vendor
1876 [16:25:22] <tw> vendor you contacted said used.
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1881 [16:26:13] <uRock> Whenever I run ClipGrab I get a TLS
initialization error. This app worked fine in another distro. Any
ideas on what may be causing the error in Debian Buster?
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1886 [16:26:48] <greycat> buster's libssl configuration is a
lot more strict by default than stretch's was
1887 [16:27:06] <greycat> zless
/usr/share/doc/libssl1.1/NEWS.Debian.gz
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1889 [16:27:34] <greycat> you could double-check whether ClipGrab
is using libssl1.1 but that's my first guess
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1891 [16:27:54] <uRock> I will check that out. Thanks greycat
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1895 [16:28:47] <pagetelegram> Using a Getac b300 and the track
pad keeps sticking, where consistently I have to tap the pad to get
the mouse cursor to move.
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1905 [16:32:30] <volter> For some reason I am not clever enough to
figure out how to schroot after a failed sbuild. Can somebody
enlighten me?
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1911 [16:34:10] <netcrash> How can I force a package to reinstall
a configuration directory?
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1914 [16:34:45] <tarzeau> netcrash: completely remove it first,
including the configuration directory, then install it?
1915 [16:35:24] <uRock> greycat, is there any service I need to
restart after editing openssl.cnf or is it automatic?
1916 [16:35:45] <netcrash> tarzeau: already tried that ,
didn't work
1917 [16:36:03] <tarzeau> netcrash: which package is that?
1918 [16:36:34] <greycat> uRock: presumably it would depend on the
programs involved
1919 [16:36:52] <brabo> did you purge or uninstall?
1920 [16:37:09] <uRock> Just ClipGrab, which is a standalone app
run from a downloaded exe
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1924 [16:37:48] <netcrash> tarzeau: icingaweb2
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1928 [16:39:30] <netcrash> brabo: I removed it , then purged
1929 [16:39:36] <tarzeau> netcrash: what configuration directory
are you missing?
1930 [16:39:43] <netcrash> icingaweb2
1931 [16:39:49] <netcrash> /etc/icingaweb2
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1933 [16:41:56] <tarzeau> netcrash: what about doint it yourself,
looking at
replaced-url
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1935 [16:42:23] <tw> regarding my unremovable file, these are my
caps
replaced-url
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1938 [16:43:14] <greycat> Could be. Are you sure fsck actually
*ran* (the file system has to be unmounted, or at worst read-only,
for fsck to be able to run). You might also need to repeat it.
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1943 [16:46:41] <uRock> Rebooted but still getting error. Just
going to run it in a VM.
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1946 [16:48:00] <tw> greycat:
replaced-url
1947 [16:48:06] <tw> says it ran.
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1950 [16:48:21] <tw> I forced a recheck as well.
1951 [16:49:08] <greycat> that looks like a superficial scan, not
an actual run of fsck
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1953 [16:49:40] <greycat> How did you "force a recheck"?
1954 [16:49:49] <tw> with -f
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1956 [16:50:02] <greycat> last time I checked, -f is not a shell
command
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1958 [16:50:16] <tw> e2fsck -f /dev/mapper/v1-root
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1961 [16:50:48] <greycat> so you rebooted in some kind of rescue
system first...?
1962 [16:51:02] <tw> stretch installer in rescue mode
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1986 [17:05:53] <tw> buster installer doesn't have e2fsprogs
by default.
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1990 [17:06:09] <tw> ls
1991 [17:06:12] <tw> err, sorry.
1992 [17:06:25] <KaffeeKatrin> how much time should I usually plan
for updating a desktop from stretch to buster?
1993 [17:06:34] <tarzeau> KaffeeKatrin: dpkg -l
1994 [17:06:43] <tarzeau> |wc -l says how much ?
1995 [17:06:58] <ksk> KaffeeKatrin: depends on the number of
installed packages, and your hardware. also what tarzeau says.
1996 [17:07:01] <smsimeon> I have come full circle:
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1998 [17:07:28] <smsimeon> I'm trying to reverse engineer a
program I wrote a long time ago, since I forgot its access
credentials
1999 [17:07:42] <tarzeau> up to 1 year old machine, 1-2 hours
(~2000 packages), 3 years 2-3 h, 5 years 3-4 h
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2001 [17:08:19] <KaffeeKatrin> tarzeau: 4288
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2004 [17:09:16] <KaffeeKatrin> thanks, that's already useful
to make an educated guess
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2006 [17:09:42] <KaffeeKatrin> is on a SSD
2007 [17:09:51] <KaffeeKatrin> \/
2008 [17:09:53] <KaffeeKatrin> /
2009 [17:09:56] <KaffeeKatrin> aaah
2010 [17:10:02] <KaffeeKatrin> I shouldve just wrote root
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2014 [17:10:31] <trek00> hello, anyone know how to disable kernel
lockdown on /dev/mem? I would like to not reinstall grub, I need it
only for a short time. thank you!
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2023 [17:15:49] <volter> Hm, now I think I can log in and I can
see the leftovers of my build attempt, but the build-dep packages
seem to be gone. Maybe I need another setting in the rc file.
2024 [17:16:41] <volter> (Though I'd be surprised)
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2026 [17:18:00] <ksk> trek00: eh, what are you trying to do?
2027 [17:18:30] <tw> An interesting note, linux 4.19 from the
buster installer returns ENODATA instead of EPERM for lsattr and
chattr.
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2032 [17:19:12] <tw> I think fundamentally, this fs is toast and I
should stop messing with it and do a restore from backups.
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2037 [17:19:29] <trek00> ksk: i wrote a patch to radeontop,
because with secure boot enabled it does not run on amdgpu driver,
but I want to test again the /dev/mem path to be sure it still
running fine
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2047 [17:26:25] <Habbie> ,v pgtune
2048 [17:26:26] <judd> No package named 'pgtune' was
found in amd64.
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2050 [17:28:58] <ksk> mhhm, I have a question regarding
"base64"; If I do "echo foo | base64" Im getting
a different encoded value compared to entering "foo" into
replaced-url
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2053 [17:29:47] <ksk> underlying problem is I need to encode a
token for a service, and cant get it to work. they have an example
workflow using that web-service, but I cannot make my local base64
generate the same values...
2054 [17:29:47] <trek00> ksk: it seems the website is omitting the
final padding
2055 [17:29:49] <Kadigan> Cg== adds a Linux newline
2056 [17:29:56] <ksk> ah! many thanks :)
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2059 [17:30:19] <trek00> Kadigan: you are right :)
2060 [17:30:19] <Habbie> echo -n foo | base64
2061 [17:30:26] <greycat> printf is safer than echo -n
2062 [17:30:35] <greycat> printf %s foo | base64
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2087 [17:41:29] <spacefrog> hello
2088 [17:41:50] <spacefrog> is dvd1 sufficient to install a
minimal installation?
2089 [17:42:17] <greycat> Yes. It's more than enough.
2090 [17:42:37] <spacefrog> thanks
2091 [17:42:38] <greycat> You could use the smaller netinst (CD
sized) images, if you wish.
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2093 [17:43:08] <spacefrog> i have plenty of bandwidth :)
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2095 [17:44:10] <spacefrog> i just wish we had faster mirrors in
western Canada
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2105 [17:51:55] <spacefrog> i can't believe i'm sticking
to centos/fedora
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2112 [17:55:05] <ratrace> we can't either
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2115 [17:56:46] <spacefrog> i know this is off topic, but i have
centos running on a server, and fedora fails miserably when i try to
install it in kvm
2116 [17:57:03] <Habbie> why not ask in #centos or #fedora?
2117 [17:57:49] <Bushmills> maybe because there wasn't a
question :)
2118 [17:57:58] <Habbie> i may have shot too soon
2119 [17:58:01] <Habbie> but i'm pretty optimistic
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2121 [17:58:40] <spacefrog> centos works fine, it's fedora
that sucks balls
2122 [17:58:55] <Habbie> there's no need for that language
2123 [17:59:16] <spacefrog> apologies
2124 [17:59:16] <greycat> it's definitely off topic here
2125 [17:59:25] <spacefrog> debian installs just fine
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2147 [18:10:09] <teclo-> evening, ntpdate always tells me "no
server suitable for synchronization found" with all servers I
try to use
2148 [18:10:20] <teclo-> what is the next step ?
2149 [18:10:33] <Habbie> configure ntpd, chrony or
systemd-timesyncd correctly instead
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2152 [18:12:23] <trek00> teclo-: or rdate :)
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2159 [18:16:35] <ratrace> ntpdate is deprecated
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2163 [18:20:59] <jhutchins_wk> ratrace: Yes, but it still works.
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2165 [18:21:43] <jmcnaught> systemd-timesyncd should be working
out of the box unless there's another ntp daemon installed
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2167 [18:22:11] <jhutchins_wk> jmcnaught: Last I checked it only
syncs on boot.
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2172 [18:23:50] <spacefrog> they want me to try a live-dvd
(desktop) :)
2173 [18:23:55] <jmcnaught> jhutchins_wk: really? why would it
keep running then?
2174 [18:23:55] <spacefrog> i'm sticking to this
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2197 [18:27:13] <jhutchins_wk> jmcnaught: Because systemd.
2198 [18:27:14] <no_gravity> Strange, VirtualBox is suddenly not
working anymore. Tells me "Kernel driver not installed".
2199 [18:27:17] <no_gravity> Any ideas how that can be?
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2205 [18:27:42] <jhutchins_wk> no_gravity: Perhaps you upgraded
the kernel?
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2208 [18:27:52] <no_gravity> jhutchins_wk: Aha ... that could be!
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2212 [18:28:20] <jhutchins_wk> no_gravity: You can set it up with
dkms so it auto-compiles if you upgrade.
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2219 [18:28:56] <no_gravity> jhutchins_wk: Right now I'm
trying to figure out how to do it manually.
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2222 [18:29:15] <Dwarf> After upgrading to buster it seems my
iptables is positively borked
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2224 [18:29:48] <jhutchins_wk> !iptables
2225 [18:29:49] <dpkg> [iptables] The user-space process used to
administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about
<netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up
iptables, see
replaced-url
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2228 [18:30:22] <jhutchins_wk> Dwarf: Check the release notes, I
think the interface changed.
2229 [18:30:23] <Dwarf> Actually, it seems my kernel is not in
tip-top shape
2230 [18:30:33] <jmcnaught> jhutchins_wk: 'timedatectl
timesync-status' shows a poll interval, it doesn't just
work at boot.
2231 [18:30:36] <Dwarf> I should have 4.19 but I'm running
4.18 for some reason
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2234 [18:30:53] <Dwarf> Thanks for the link jhutchins_wk
2235 [18:31:01] <no_gravity> I'll try 'apt reinstall
virtualbox' ..
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2237 [18:31:35] <ratrace> jhutchins_wk: apparently, it
doesn't work that well... from the upstream:
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2242 [18:32:25] <no_gravity> That just barks up a bunch of errors
...
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2245 [18:32:45] <no_gravity> Trying 'apt resinall
virtualbox-dkms' ...
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2251 [18:33:30] <no_gravity> Looks like 'apt resinall
virtualbox-dkms' solved it!
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2313 [18:46:12] <jhutchins_wk> jmcnaught: Ok, it's been
updated since I last looked then.
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2321 [18:48:38] <jhutchins_wk> jmcnaught: Seems like it
didn't do drift adjustments though.
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2325 [18:48:48] <jhutchins_wk> That might have changed too.
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2457 [20:02:38] <infinity_> if i want to find the package that
provides the perl module Constant.pm, how would I do that?
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2459 [20:03:00] <nkuttler> infinity_: apt-file find Constant.pm
2460 [20:03:20] <infinity_> tnx
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2470 [20:07:58] <no_gravity> What is a good way to see how much
disk access is going on=?
2471 [20:08:33] <ratrace> no_gravity: iotop; iostat (from sysstat)
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2473 [20:08:57] <no_gravity> iotop seems to be popular
2474 [20:09:34] <no_gravity> top can't show disk access at
all?
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2476 [20:10:03] <ratrace> i think it can; htop definitely can
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2479 [20:10:20] <no_gravity> Well, top is not htop.
2480 [20:10:57] <jhutchins_wk> Top will show you changes in usage,
but not very dynamicaly. If you're using swap you'll see
it change.
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2482 [20:11:17] <no_gravity> jhutchins_wk: usage? of the disk?
2483 [20:11:29] <ratrace> ah, looks like it can't; bsd top
can, that's what threw me off scent
2484 [20:11:32] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah.
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2486 [20:12:17] <no_gravity> jhutchins_wk: Where?
2487 [20:13:03] <jhutchins_wk> That's right, it's just
swap that it shows.
2488 [20:13:18] <no_gravity> Trying to wrap my head aroun iotops
"TOTAL disk write" and "ACTUAL disk write"...
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2490 [20:14:08] <ratrace> no_gravity: total cumulative vs
currently sampled methinks
2491 [20:14:50] <no_gravity> ratrace: I don't think so.
2492 [20:15:02] <no_gravity> Both numbers jump around too much for
that to be true.
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2494 [20:15:31] <ratrace> no_gravity: thankfully the manpage
explains
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2499 [20:17:07] <no_gravity> Sounds like "actual" is
actual disk activity.
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2501 [20:17:40] <no_gravity> While "total" is the amount
of data send to the kernel "please write this to disk".
2502 [20:17:43] <ratrace> where do you even see "actual"
.... there's only "total" and "current2
2503 [20:17:54] <no_gravity> ratrace: On top.
2504 [20:17:55] <ratrace> %s/2/"/
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2506 [20:18:04] <ratrace> no_gravity: it says "current"
not "actual"
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2509 [20:18:16] <no_gravity> ratrace: Not for me.
2510 [20:18:48] <ratrace> no_gravity: which debian?
2511 [20:18:59] <no_gravity> ratrace: 8
2512 [20:19:02] <no_gravity> ratrace:
replaced-url
2513 [20:19:16] <ratrace> oh, you're still on 8
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2535 [20:24:40] <no_gravity> Yup
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2550 [20:28:53] <Big_Aziz> Hello
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2561 [20:32:32] <BCMM> Big_Aziz: hi
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2566 [20:35:48] <Big_Aziz> BCMM, hi :)
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2572 [20:36:24] <wachbirn> #debian
2573 [20:36:49] <joepublic> Yes. You are here.
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2575 [20:37:02] <wachbirn> sorry..my bad
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2580 [20:42:04] <cclein> Hello, I have an old iMac 5,1 that
I'm trying to install 10.0 on. It has a 32bit uefi and 64 bit
processor. I have configured a usb drive to boot the 64bit
installation with 32bit uefi. Is there a way to install debian using
msdos/grub and not uefi? I ask this because booting a non mac os on
this computer does not initialize the video adapter.
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2588 [20:48:49] <BCMM> cclein: it should work with uefi
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2591 [20:50:57] <cclein> BCMM: I am able to boot properly, but I
need to install in legacy mode. an msdos partition table. I think I
just need to pull the drive and recreate a partition table in msdos
mode.
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2596 [20:53:22] <cclein> I'm trying an EFI install now for
fun. But I don't think the gpu will be initialized properly.
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2605 [20:59:28] <cclein> BCMM: I can confirm that the gpu is not
initialized. Will try an msdos part table.
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2623 [21:05:40] <BCMM> why do you need to boot in legacy mode?
does the system firmware even have bios emulation?
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2630 [21:07:45] <jmcnaught> cclein: there are special debian-mac
ISO images for older Macs, are you using one of those images?
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2643 [21:12:28] <cclein> BCMM: It does I believe. I was trying to
get rEFInd to work. It has a OSX_version_spoof to get the graphics
initialized but I could never get it to work right.
2644 [21:12:50] <cclein> jmcnaught: I was not aware of those. I
will try that out.
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2647 [21:13:22] <jmcnaught>
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2655 [21:16:16] <cclein> jmcnaught: I don't know if I can
boot that image from USB. The DVD is toast. Will give it a try.
Thanks.
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2659 [21:17:21] <jmcnaught> cclein: Debian ISO images are hybrid
images that can be written to a USB device (don't write it to a
partition) and booted, that said I don't know about Macs
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2662 [21:20:07] <cclein> jmcnaught: the old ones have issues with
the iso format I think. I made this boot stick with unetbootin,
which worked ok.
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2665 [21:20:37] <jmcnaught> !unetbootin
2666 [21:20:38] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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2680 [21:33:42] <Filystyn> helo
2681 [21:33:46] <Filystyn> so im back with same problem
2682 [21:33:48] <Adalid_Negro> Good afternoon, after installation
of debian 10, I had an screen with fsckd-cancel-msg but it never
ends
2683 [21:33:54] <Adalid_Negro> someone knows about that_?
2684 [21:34:01] <Filystyn> debian is cancer that breaks as fuck
2685 [21:34:16] <Filystyn> Why can't you make the packets
work
2686 [21:34:28] <Filystyn> apt --fix-broken is total shit
2687 [21:34:35] <Filystyn> ok enough complain
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2689 [21:34:49] <Filystyn> i need to fix the packet chaos
2690 [21:34:54] <Filystyn> udev is down lol
2691 [21:35:07] <Adalid_Negro> show us your sources.list
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2693 [21:35:47] <Filystyn> deb
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2694 [21:35:48] <Filystyn> deb
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2695 [21:35:48] <Filystyn> deb
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2696 [21:36:06] <greycat> If you expect us to do anything, we need
to know what problem you're having, on what version of Debian,
and any relevant details (what the error messages say, etc.)
2697 [21:36:17] <Filystyn> im on stretch ( i was )
2698 [21:36:21] <Filystyn> im trying to update to buster
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2700 [21:36:53] <Filystyn> The following packages have unmet
dependencies:
2701 [21:36:53] <Filystyn> dmsetup : Depends: libdevmapper1.02.1
(>= 2:1.02.138) but 2:1.02.137-2 is installed
2702 [21:36:53] <Filystyn> udev : Depends: libudev1 (= 241-5) but
232-25+deb9u11 is installed
2703 [21:36:53] <Filystyn> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt
--fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
2704 [21:36:57] <Adalid_Negro> how did you that change?
2705 [21:37:07] <Filystyn> i swpaed stretch to buster
2706 [21:37:13] <Filystyn> apt update
2707 [21:37:16] <Filystyn> apth upgrade
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2709 [21:37:20] <Filystyn> apt dist-upgrade
2710 [21:37:23] <Filystyn> ;-)
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2713 [21:38:25] <samuk> fresh install of buster on thinkpad, no
ethernet socket. need to install realtek wifi driver, put it on usb.
Can't install as 'sam' user as not in sudo,
can't install sudo package as not in sudo. Ideas?
2714 [21:38:26] <Filystyn> running that stupid apt fix
2715 [21:38:30] <Filystyn> wait a sec
2716 [21:38:35] <Adalid_Negro> ok, well if you want I could help
you to finish your upgrade
2717 [21:38:41] <Filystyn> Errors were encountered while
processing:
2718 [21:38:42] <Filystyn> udev
2719 [21:38:42] <Filystyn> initramfs-tools-core
2720 [21:38:42] <Filystyn> initramfs-tools
2721 [21:38:42] <Filystyn> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned
an error code (1)
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2723 [21:38:46] <Adalid_Negro> it's not your solution
2724 [21:38:53] <jmcnaught> samuk: become root with 'su
-l' and the root password
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2726 [21:38:58] <Filystyn> well crap
2727 [21:39:04] <EoflaOE> samuk: Can you log in as root and add
yourself to sudoers?
2728 [21:39:08] <samuk> can't install as root as
'ldconfig is not found in path or is not executable
2729 [21:39:09] <jmcnaught> Filystyn:
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2730 [21:39:14] <Filystyn> I am on root dude
2731 [21:39:14] <greycat> !Buster su
2732 [21:39:14] <dpkg> The <su> command changed in buster:
it no longer overrides the PATH variable. See
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2733 [21:39:22] <greycat> Filystyn: different user.
2734 [21:39:34] <Filystyn> ssh is not working because udev uis not
working
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2736 [21:39:38] <Filystyn> im on last ssh hehe
2737 [21:39:42] <Filystyn> if this fuck up
2738 [21:39:45] <Filystyn> im fucked
2739 [21:39:47] <joepublic> "Dude I am totally root"
does not address the path issue.
2740 [21:39:47] <Filystyn> got it ?
2741 [21:40:21] <greycat> Filystyn: what does "apt install
udev" say?
2742 [21:41:03] <Filystyn> breaks hard give me sec to copy
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2744 [21:41:45] <samuk> jmcnaught thanks that did it..
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2746 [21:42:32] <Filystyn> and apt having hard time with &>
savethis
2747 [21:42:37] <Filystyn> im trying to figure sec..
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2749 [21:43:23] <greycat> apt install udev 2>&1 | nc
termbin.com 9999
2750 [21:43:59] <BCMM> Filystyn: "if this fuck up im
fucked" sounds like a good reason to calm down and start
listening to people...
2751 [21:44:12] <greycat> he's being cooperative so far
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2753 [21:46:05] <Filystyn>
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2754 [21:46:17] <greycat> well that's not a good sign
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2759 [21:46:50] <greycat> oh, it *does* work in lynx despite that
outrageously large random-looking URL
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2761 [21:46:59] <samuk> so when installing it gave a message you
need xyz blah blah wifi driver, I couldn't install it as it
wasn't installed (no ethernet) how do I find out what driver I
need for the onboard wifi now it's properly installed (giving
up on usb realtek)
2762 [21:47:10] <Filystyn>
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2763 [21:48:12] <coruja> Filystyn, See "systemctl status
systemd-udevd.service" and "journalctl -xe" for
details.
2764 [21:48:14] <greycat> so the fundamental error is that an
attempt to restart the udev service fails, and it says to See
"systemctl status systemd-udevd.service" and
"journalctl -xe" for details.
2765 [21:48:15] <trek00> I have installed grub-efi-amd64-signed,
but after that it enabled kernel lockdown even if I don't have
enabled secure boot in the bios: can I temporary disable lockdown
with a kernel command line? the sysrq + x method is disabled
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2767 [21:48:35] <Filystyn> Failed to lower RLIMIT_NOFILE's
soft limit to 1K: Function not implemented
2768 [21:48:40] <Filystyn> they give back same thing
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2771 [21:49:08] <jmcnaught> samuk: you can see which firmware
files you're missing with 'dmesg | grep -i firmware'
(as root), then search for that file
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2772 [21:49:40] <BCMM> samuk: did the message say
"driver" or "firmware"
2773 [21:49:44] <BCMM> ?
2774 [21:50:31] <Filystyn> iwas adviced to simply reboot but if
that wont work rip. no control.
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2776 [21:51:01] <greycat> Filystyn: is this system
"real" or virtual? If it's virtual, what kind of
virtualization is it, on what kernel?
2777 [21:51:16] <Filystyn> VPS Linux server 3.2.7 #1 SMP Mon Feb
20 20:05:53 MSK 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2778 [21:51:32] <coruja> uah, stone-age
2779 [21:51:45] <Filystyn> actualy it was 2.6 recently but i asked
them to change it
2780 [21:51:45] <greycat> That's clearly a non-Debian kernel,
and it's *right* on the borderline of the minimum kernel for
buster.
2781 [21:51:59] <jmcnaught> trek00: what do you mean by kernel
lockdown?
2782 [21:52:11] <Filystyn> yeah 3.2 is minimum
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2784 [21:52:32] <BCMM> Filystyn: ... are you trying to
"upgrade" from a different distro to debian?
2785 [21:52:42] <Filystyn> from stretch to buster
2786 [21:52:46] <Filystyn> not different distro
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2791 [21:52:56] <greycat> He's trying to upgrade stretch to
buster on a VPS running a wheezy-age but non-Debian kernel.
2792 [21:53:18] <trek00> jmcnaught: trying to access /dev/mem the
kernel tell me: Lockdown: /dev/mem,kmem,port is restricted; see
replaced-url
2793 [21:53:23] <|xD|> OT: do i need old AM4 cpu when I have to
upgrade bios on mainboard for ryzen 3000?
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2795 [21:53:43] <greycat> I tried googling what you said about
RLIMIT_NOFILE but I suspect you didn't give us the exact error
message, because I'm not seeing any real matches.
2796 [21:53:49] <coruja> Filystyn, so poke your service provider
to provide a more recent kernel, having read about that error i
found out it's caused by limitations of vserver
templates/images
2797 [21:53:51] <Filystyn> I fail to understand how is that *non
debian kernel*
2798 [21:53:51] <greycat> The closest I found was #865449
2799 [21:53:52] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2802 [21:54:28] <Filystyn> coruja i just said I asked few days
earlier to upgrade 2.6 to 3.2 or higher
2803 [21:54:50] <Filystyn> if debian fails on 3.2 why does it
request minimum 3.2 ?
2804 [21:54:52] <jmcnaught> |xD|: try asking in ##hardware
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2806 [21:55:14] <greycat> Filystyn: Debian kernels have VERY
different version numbering. It's immediately obvious. And it
may be OK -- Debian does support running on non-Debian kernels, but
the burden is on you to make sure all the stuff you need in the
kernel is in the kernel.
2807 [21:55:18] <coruja> someone offering those old kernels as
'service' should be wiped from the market soon imho
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2809 [21:55:43] <greycat> A regular wheezy kernel looks like Linux
ebase-fla 3.2.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.96-3 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2810 [21:56:22] <Filystyn> so it asks form debian 3.2 but goes
with flow with every 3.2
2811 [21:56:22] <Filystyn> k
2812 [21:56:47] <Filystyn> Honestly if service is critical I
expect to run as much as possible and pass some report/log what ever
2813 [21:56:53] <Filystyn> instead of blowing up
2814 [21:57:01] <Filystyn> because a function did not exist
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2816 [21:57:08] <Filystyn> or what ever crap.
2817 [21:57:20] <Filystyn> how to go back to strech now
2818 [21:57:24] <Filystyn> is it possible ?
2819 [21:57:24] <greycat> coruja: what search results did you
find?
2820 [21:57:53] <coruja> greycat, same as yours and a forum thread
at debianforum.de
2821 [21:58:02] <trek00> Filystyn: upgrading the kernel via apt is
not feasible?
2822 [21:58:09] <jmcnaught> trek00: is this happening at boot?
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2824 [21:58:23] <greycat> He's in some sort of VPS (he
didn't tell us which kind) where he doesn't control the
kernel.
2825 [21:58:43] <trek00> jmcnaught: no, I need to access /dev/mem
to debug mapped device registers
2826 [22:00:02] <Filystyn> does udev have conf file i can change
2827 [22:00:13] <Filystyn> like tell it to not *use* the function
it;'s trying to use
2828 [22:00:28] <Filystyn> that is the easiest solution i guess
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2830 [22:00:55] <Filystyn> i see udev.conf
2831 [22:01:06] <jmcnaught> trek00: you said 'sysrq + x'
did you mean 'alt-sysrq + x'?
2832 [22:01:13] <Filystyn> and it's empty
2833 [22:01:14] <trek00> Filystyn: what function is missed?
2834 [22:01:25] <Filystyn> well not empty but not much
2835 [22:01:40] <Filystyn> Failed to lower RLIMIT_NOFILE's
soft limit to 1K: Function not implemented
2836 [22:01:52] <trek00> jmcnaught: yes if i press alt+sysrq+x it
tells me: sysrq: SysRq : This sysrq operation is disabled.
2837 [22:02:19] <Filystyn> trek the error message is not clear
2838 [22:02:23] <coruja> Filystyn, may we see your
/etc/security/limits.conf ?
2839 [22:03:00] <greycat> OK, I think I finally found
coruja's result:
replaced-url
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2842 [22:03:20] <Filystyn>
replaced-url
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2844 [22:03:52] <coruja> greycat, why haven't you asked me, i
just thought you weren't interested in it ;)
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2848 [22:05:38] <Mathisen> anyone mind checking one thing for me.
is virtualbox-6.0 package broken for anyone else on buster. dep
problems for me
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2851 [22:06:10] <trek00> Filystyn: I think udev is calling
setrlimit_closest(RLIMIT_NOFILE) that could require linux 4.5
2852 [22:06:19] <Filystyn> i guess i just need to override some of
default udev.conf options vide this one option
2853 [22:06:24] <greycat> Looks like the German user had the same
issue with a non-Debian 3.16 kernel, and didn't pursue it far
enough to find an answer.
2854 [22:06:36] <greycat> Although I'm using google's
translation, so I could be missing something.
2855 [22:06:48] <Filystyn> trek where do you find the default
udev.conf ?
2856 [22:06:58] <greycat> /etc/udev
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2858 [22:07:04] <Filystyn> no thats not there
2859 [22:07:13] <Filystyn> udev.conf ovverrides default
2860 [22:07:22] <trek00> Filystyn: it is not something
configurable, it should be in the source code
2861 [22:07:35] <Filystyn> ihm
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2863 [22:07:45] <Filystyn> still if there is no call to function
it should be ok
2864 [22:07:46] <Mathisen>
replaced-url
2865 [22:07:59] <Filystyn> it breaks when reaches it so it's
more of script play
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2867 [22:08:25] <hans_> does debian's crontab support
`@weekly` ?
2868 [22:08:37] <greycat> man 5 crontab
2869 [22:08:56] <greycat> "man crontab" gets you
crontab(1) which is a different page (for the command-line tool)
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2871 [22:09:20] <Filystyn> trek can you psate the function name
again
2872 [22:09:22] <coruja> Filystyn, i just thought of setting the
demanded limit of 1k yourself but i don't know if this works or
even is a good idea
2873 [22:09:25] <hans_> yes it does, thanks ^^
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2877 [22:11:05] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: libcurl3 and libvpx4
packages don't exist in buster as far as I can tell. Where is
this virtualbox-6.0 package from?
2878 [22:11:20] <trek00> Filystyn: systemd already had these
problems with rlimit
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2879 [22:11:20] <Filystyn> setting does nothing it runs all be
default probz
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2882 [22:12:12] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, hmmm im just using standard
repos.. >>
replaced-url
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2886 [22:12:54] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: what about files in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? virtualbox is not in buster.
2887 [22:13:08] <ratrace> ,v virtualbox
2888 [22:13:09] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 --
jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib:
4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib:
5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.10-dfsg-2
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2890 [22:13:24] <Filystyn> maybe i should just remove udev and use
mdev?
2891 [22:13:42] <trek00> Filystyn: are you able to recompile the
udev package after commenting a line?
2892 [22:13:49] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, my bad and thanks... yes i
had an old one in there not even for buster :) deb
replaced-url
2893 [22:13:54] <Mathisen> il sort it now
2894 [22:13:56] <Filystyn> trek i could ofc
2895 [22:14:09] <Filystyn> but running compiled by my self packet
ugh
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2897 [22:14:27] <Filystyn> this would probably explode after some
time ;-)
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2899 [22:14:37] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: glad you figured it out. For
what it's worth I like virt-manager and libvirt/KVM which is in
Debian still.
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2901 [22:14:55] <greycat> Filystyn: I think the crisis is enough
to justify trying whatever trek00 has in mind, just long enough to
get you to a stable state
2902 [22:15:08] <trek00> Filystyn: if you use dpkg-buildpackage it
will produce the same package you can download
2903 [22:15:26] <Filystyn> ok. just a sec. I can just download
esyly the source?
2904 [22:15:38] <Filystyn> with some dpkg command?
2905 [22:15:39] <trek00> apt-get source udev
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2907 [22:15:42] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, i use virtualbox for
phpvirtualbox .. i have used virt-manager in the past but im not
sure if there is any web interface ?
2908 [22:15:42] <greycat> If VPS containers are going to start
blowing up when people upgrade to buster, we definitely want to know
all we can about it.
2909 [22:16:10] <Filystyn> You must put some 'source'
URIs in your sources.list
2910 [22:16:13] <greycat> Filystyn: you need "deb-src"
lines as well as "deb" lines
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2913 [22:16:38] <greycat> basically, every deb line, just
copy/paste it, and change deb to deb-src on the copy
2914 [22:16:45] <Filystyn> k
2915 [22:16:51] <jmcnaught> Mathisen: there's cockpit
(cockpit-machines) new in buster but I haven't tried it.
virt-manager can also manage remote hosts over ssh.
2916 [22:17:04] <CaptainDusty> s/deb/deb-src/g - what could go
wrong.
2917 [22:17:27] <CaptainDusty> (Please don't do that..)
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2919 [22:17:33] <CaptainDusty> (As in; my example)
2920 [22:17:39] <BCMM> CaptainDusty: ... install gentoo?
2921 [22:17:49] <CaptainDusty> BCMM: >.< lol
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2923 [22:18:21] <Mathisen> jmcnaught, il check it out
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2927 [22:19:25] <Filystyn> ok i got teh source i think
2928 [22:19:38] <trek00> Filystyn: when done, you should have
unpacked udev on the current directory
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2930 [22:19:58] <trek00> Filystyn: something like systemd-240
2931 [22:20:09] <Filystyn> tho seems there was some little problem
let me paste
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2933 [22:21:24] <Filystyn>
replaced-url
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2936 [22:22:15] <Filystyn> anyway i got it in dir ( moved to some
empty place )
2937 [22:22:26] <trek00> Filystyn: you should install dpkg-dev and
build-essentials
2938 [22:22:27] <Filystyn> i got systemd241
2939 [22:22:29] <greycat> you need to do it in a place where you
have write permissions and enough space
2940 [22:22:45] <greycat> unlike "apt install",
"apt source" puts stuff in $PWD
2941 [22:22:56] <Izoughe> I'm having trouble getting docker
to work on a debian 9 VM, and it seems like the issue is something
broken with cgroups. Docker was working, but then I accidentally
filled up the host machine's disk drive, and after freeing up
space, trying to run docker gives " docker: Error response from
daemon: cgroups: cannot find cgroup mount destination: unknown.
2942 [22:22:56] <Izoughe> " What's a good way to start
diagnosing an issue with cgroups?
2943 [22:23:05] <trek00> Filystyn: then remove the directory
systemd241 and do again apt-get source udev
2944 [22:23:27] <greycat> trek00: udev is part of systemd, so
it's expected to have a systemd-xxx directory
2945 [22:23:27] <Izoughe> I reinstalled docker and that
didn't change anything, so I'm pretty sure the issue
isn't related to docker specifically
2946 [22:24:10] <trek00> greycat: it was failed to unpack
2947 [22:24:14] <Filystyn> k
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2949 [22:24:45] <Filystyn> tho i dont have build-essentials
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2951 [22:24:50] <Filystyn> i installed dkpg-dev
2952 [22:24:56] <trek00> Filystyn: sorry build-essential and
fakeroot
2953 [22:25:32] <greycat> "apt-get build-dev udev" would
be the canonical next step
2954 [22:25:51] <Filystyn> ok
2955 [22:25:54] <Filystyn> i got the source
2956 [22:26:01] <trek00> Filystyn: if you don't mind, I
already wrote a little guide for that
replaced-url
2957 [22:26:02] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
2958 [22:26:03] <Filystyn> now where was the line i need to
fix/comment out ?
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2960 [22:27:05] <trek00> Filystyn: you should edit the
src/udev/udev-event.c file and comment the full line of
rlimit_nofile_safe in the function udev_event_spawn
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2962 [22:27:21] <trek00> Filystyn: it should be the line 646
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2965 [22:28:02] <Filystyn> yeah i got it
2966 [22:28:07] <Filystyn> should i leave header alone
2967 [22:28:08] <Filystyn> ?
2968 [22:28:10] <Filystyn> probz yeah
2969 [22:28:13] <trek00> Filystyn: then to compile it you need
many packages to be installed: if you want to remove them later you
need to create a list
2970 [22:28:28] <trek00> Filystyn: don't touch other lines
2971 [22:28:41] <greycat> If you'
2972 [22:28:43] <Filystyn> just commented it
2973 [22:28:54] <Filystyn> ok i got it
2974 [22:29:02] <greycat> If you're not especially short on
space, you might want to leave the dev packages installed for a
while, 'cause I don't know how deep this rabbit hole is
going to go.
2975 [22:29:03] <Filystyn> now i build it i guess?
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2977 [22:29:24] <trek00> Filystyn: you need the apt-get build-dep
systemd step
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2979 [22:29:46] <trek00> Filystyn: then you can do
dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us
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2981 [22:30:11] <Filystyn> no packet build-dep
2982 [22:30:32] <greycat> build-dep is the verb, not a package
name
2983 [22:30:58] <Filystyn> ok but where i run the apt-get
build-dep systemd
2984 [22:31:02] <Filystyn> anywherE?
2985 [22:31:05] <greycat> anywhewre
2986 [22:31:06] <Filystyn> its just to get the libs ye?
2987 [22:31:16] <greycat> *-dev packages in general, yes
2988 [22:31:32] <Filystyn> k it's downloading
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2990 [22:33:39] <Filystyn> seems all was downloaded
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2992 [22:34:08] <Filystyn> now i need to point dpkg to build the
packet
2993 [22:34:15] <greycat> then the dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us
should work
2994 [22:34:23] <Filystyn> just go to dir with source or ?
2995 [22:34:24] <greycat> you run that inside the systemd-xxx
directory as yourself
2996 [22:34:29] <Filystyn> k
2997 [22:34:44] <Filystyn> its compiling
2998 [22:35:19] <trek00> Filystyn: good, it could break on tests,
but I have the command line to get rid of them if needed
2999 [22:35:29] <Filystyn> k man
3000 [22:35:37] <Filystyn> the linker lines are killing my eyes
3001 [22:35:53] <Filystyn> and other cc options
3002 [22:36:23] <trek00> Filystyn: it will stop if broken,
don't mind to read :)
3003 [22:36:47] <Filystyn> seems this will take some time
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3005 [22:37:43] <Filystyn> ill talk about that debian kernel thing
with the provider later
3006 [22:38:31] <greycat> It sounds like it's more of a
"needs 4.x" than "needs a Debian kernel config"
thing at this point, but we're still testing and exploring.
3007 [22:38:33] <Filystyn> trek did you just grep -R that line ?
3008 [22:39:10] <Filystyn> should i not uninstall udev before
compilation?
3009 [22:39:16] <Filystyn> kind of kit me
3010 [22:39:19] <Filystyn> hit*
3011 [22:39:26] <greycat> wait to see if it builds cleanly first
3012 [22:39:31] <Filystyn> ok
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3017 [22:43:25] <trek00> Filystyn: when you install the new
packaged built, it will automatically remove the old one
3018 [22:43:42] <Filystyn> ok we are close to 100%
3019 [22:43:47] <greycat> overwrite, rather than remove
3020 [22:43:59] <greycat> removing udev would be not-good
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3022 [22:44:04] <trek00> Filystyn: yes i've done some rgrep
to find the exact location, systemd source is.. large
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3033 [22:50:22] <Filystyn> and tests failed - few
3034 [22:50:40] <Filystyn> Ok: 487
3035 [22:50:40] <Filystyn> Expected Fail: 0
3036 [22:50:40] <Filystyn> Fail: 23
3037 [22:50:40] <Filystyn> Unexpected Pass: 0
3038 [22:50:40] <Filystyn> Skipped: 4
3039 [22:50:40] <Filystyn> Timeout: 1
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3043 [22:50:49] <Filystyn> ops sry
3044 [22:50:56] <trek00> Filystyn: well you can disable them with
sed -i 's/\(main(.*) {\)/\1 return 0;/' src/test/test-*.c
3045 [22:51:26] <Filystyn> you mean just to cp this line
3046 [22:51:35] <Filystyn> not sure how to sue it ;-)
3047 [22:51:51] <trek00> Filystyn: then do dpkg-buildpackage -b
-uc -us -nc
3048 [22:51:55] <Filystyn> k
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3050 [22:52:31] <Filystyn> sed: -e expression #1, char 19:
unterminated `s' command
3051 [22:52:47] <Filystyn> hope it keeps .o files ;-)
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3053 [22:53:09] <trek00> Filystyn: you cut&pasted correctly
the sed line?
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3057 [22:53:47] <Filystyn> seems i did
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3059 [22:54:40] <trek00> Filystyn: copy it from
replaced-url
3060 [22:54:41] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
3061 [22:55:26] <Filystyn> worked
3062 [22:55:35] <trek00> Filystyn: pay attention to add -nc to
buildpackage to not lose the .o files
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3064 [22:56:11] <Filystyn> yeah i did still lots of tests and
probz still soem time will pass
3065 [22:56:18] <Filystyn> i hope he wont rebuild all .o ;-)
3066 [22:56:20] <Filystyn> i realy do
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3072 [22:59:05] <Filystyn> 9 test failed
3073 [22:59:05] <Filystyn> lol
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3075 [22:59:38] <Filystyn> and we have like 2x more tests now
*passed*
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3078 [22:59:54] <trek00> Filystyn: I don't know how to really
disable these tests
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3080 [23:00:22] <Filystyn> can't i just like hehe go with the
flow and have 9 failed tests ?
3081 [23:00:28] <trek00> Filystyn: it's ugly that the package
can't be built if it doesn't pass all the tests
3082 [23:00:46] <Filystyn> or at leats if it would tell me wich
test
3083 [23:00:49] <Filystyn> i could somwhow manually
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3085 [23:00:55] <greycat> can you just comment out something in
debian/rules so it doesn't run them at all?
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3088 [23:01:36] <trek00> greycat: probably, but which line? :)
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3093 [23:02:22] <trek00> Filystyn: anyway you should have an udevd
binary now
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3095 [23:02:53] <Filystyn> ok
3096 [23:03:08] <Filystyn> if i have binary we can ignor test hue
3097 [23:03:10] <trek00> Filystyn: I don't remember where,
but it should be there a build directory
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3099 [23:04:15] <Filystyn> ok lets assume i find the dir how to
tell dpkg to update udev
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3101 [23:05:09] <greycat> if you're going for the raw udev
binary, you wouldn't go through the dpkg layer...
3102 [23:05:28] <trek00> Filystyn: no, actually it can't
build a package if these tests are not passed, but you can backup
your original udev, then copy over the new udev binary and see if it
runs fine
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3104 [23:06:30] <Filystyn> no really ill just try to manualy find
the failed tests
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3106 [23:07:05] <Filystyn> saving resoults to file for now
it's only 9 tests
3107 [23:07:06] <trek00> Filystyn: they should be written in the
build log something like buil/meson-log
3108 [23:07:08] <Filystyn> taht fail
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3112 [23:09:40] <Filystyn> 453/514 test-sd-device-monitor FAIL
0.01 s (killed by signal 6 SIGA
3113 [23:09:40] <Filystyn> BRT)
3114 [23:09:54] <Filystyn> got it
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3116 [23:10:27] <Filystyn> now i guess i need to go and change
source y ?
3117 [23:10:34] <Filystyn> Assertion 'loopback =
udev_device_new_from_syspath(NULL,
"/sys/class/net/lo")' failed at
3118 [23:10:35] <Filystyn>
../src/libsystemd/sd-device/test-udev-device-thread.c:26, function
main(). Aborting.
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3120 [23:11:05] <trek00> Filystyn: the sed line you entered
before, should added a return 0 at the start of the main function of
any test, I don't know why they fail
3121 [23:11:26] <Filystyn> ill just go check manualy for now im
writing down lines ;[)
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3127 [23:13:13] <trek00> Filystyn: if it is not the case, just add
a return 0; at the start of the main function of these failed tests
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3130 [23:14:17] <Filystyn> ji will just comment out assertion that
shoudl do
3131 [23:14:44] <trek00> Filystyn: it should run fine
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3136 [23:15:28] <Filystyn> k
3137 [23:15:31] <Filystyn> right i see
3138 [23:16:03] <Filystyn> the problem is like this:
3139 [23:16:07] <Filystyn> ./systemd-hwdb unexpectedly printed no
warnings
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3141 [23:17:11] <trek00> Filystyn: I can't help on this
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3143 [23:17:35] <trek00> Filystyn: systemd is out of my knowledge
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3146 [23:18:29] <Filystyn> its ok
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3152 [23:19:46] <trek00> Filystyn: another option is to donwload
build and install an older version of udev, like the 232: it does
not contain the rlimit stuff
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3154 [23:21:17] <trek00> Filystyn: you can download the three
files directly from
replaced-url
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3157 [23:23:36] <Filystyn> nah ill fix the crap by my self. 8
warning now
3158 [23:23:43] <Filystyn> 2ez
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3162 [23:27:11] <Filystyn> 7 tests ok this is fine rest is in same
manner
3163 [23:31:53] <Filystyn> some return null or are void that is
probably why you can't catch all with pesky script
3164 [23:32:48] <trek00> Filystyn: right there are many types of
tests included
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