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• 2[00:00:21] <somiaj> grep _apt /etc/passwd
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• 5[00:00:57] <somiaj> jcob: here is the output I get, _apt:x:108:65534::/nonexistent:/bin/false -- add that user to your system, for some reason it was not added. I am unsure if the uid needs to be 108 or not
• 6[00:01:17] <jcob> somiaj: Thank you!
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• 13[00:04:58] <somiaj> jcob: I would use useradd, but you can manaully edit the files, also edit /etc/shadow -- _apt:*:16779:0:99999:7:::
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• 20[00:09:12] <jhutchins> This needs to happen within the chroot btw.
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• 39[00:20:58] <spacebison> Hello, how do I disable the gnome dark theme in applications like eog and totem? The switch in the gnome tweak tool does nothing.
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• 45[00:26:48] <jhutchins> spacebison: Gnome knows what's best for you.
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• 47[00:27:40] <spacebison> So it seems
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• 59[00:35:27] <tboston> can anyone tell me why I only see old version of packages when doing "apt search pkgname"?
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• 61[00:36:00] <tboston> something like icinga2-bin/oldstable 2.1.1-1 amd64
• 62[00:36:16] <tboston> although there should be icinga2-bin 2.8.*
• 63[00:37:07] <tboston> gotta mention that this is not my server and I barely use debian
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• 65[00:39:34] <spacebison> tboston, probably an older release of Debian.
• 66[00:39:50] <tboston> spacebison: it is jessie
• 67[00:40:09] <tboston> and the version I am looking for is in the packages file of the icinga repo
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• 74[00:45:51] <spacebison> Then you'll probably have to install from the icinga repo.
• 75[00:46:33] <spacebison> Debian is geared towards stability over bleeding edge.
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• 77[00:47:01] <spacebison> So that's why the packages tend to be older.
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• 81[00:51:06] <tboston> spacebison: I added the icinga repo, will I have to tell debian to actually use it?
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• 85[00:53:06] <spacebison> tboston, to your sources list? Then do an apt-get update and reinstall icinga. Although be aware you may run into some issues if the dependacies are out of date as well.
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• 89[00:53:43] <tboston> spacebison: I did apt update, when I search for icinga, I still get the old versiomn
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• 96[00:58:07] <CashDash123> How should I end this? replaced-url
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• 98[00:58:19] <CashDash123> on my ./sourcelist?
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• 101[00:59:51] <spacebison> tboston, It looks like the icinga repo has the old version as well.
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• 105[01:03:47] <tboston> spacebison: true, but how can I choose the newer version here?
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• 121[01:14:14] <tuxsvr> what is the proper way to disable Progressbar and Color for apt
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• 146[01:31:54] <R0b0t1`> Hello, this is kind of software specific, but I think the problems I am having are due to changes in how mysql and phpmyadmin are packaged for Debian Stretch
• 147[01:32:02] <R0b0t1`> I am trying to follow replaced-url
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• 149[01:32:32] <R0b0t1`> However there was no "root" phpmyadmin user by default, the name was "phpmyadmin." This user is created in a menu that seems to be asking for the MySQL account.
• 150[01:32:56] <R0b0t1`> When I attempt to CREATE DATABASE mailserver I receive #1044 - Access denied for user 'phpmyadmin'@'localhost' to database 'mailserver'
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• 152[01:33:37] <R0b0t1`> I've tried searching for the error and looking at the "databases" tab but there is no way apparent to me to change this configuration or grant phpmyadmin's administrator account privileges to MySQL
• 153[01:33:47] <R0b0t1`> I don't mind editing this in to a configuration file anywhere
• 154[01:34:01] <R0b0t1`> But it seems like it should be taken care of by the configuration script
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• 160[01:38:15] <R0b0t1`> Alternatively is there a root user and password I am not aware about set for phpmyadmin?
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• 193[02:00:57] <sveta> R0b0t1`: how did you login as phpmyadmin user ?
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• 196[02:01:28] <R0b0t1`> replaced-url
• 197[02:01:45] <R0b0t1`> sveta: I think the issue is that the administration interface is set up to not allow root to log in my default
• 198[02:01:50] <R0b0t1`> I can't find the setting for this
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• 200[02:02:11] <R0b0t1`> I did remember how to add tables with the monitor, but I'd still like more information if you have any idea on what to search
• 201[02:03:41] <sveta> R0b0t1`: see replaced-url
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• 215[02:10:54] <R0b0t1`> sveta: Thanks
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• 227[02:15:34] <Vigdis> hi, I have a stretch system running and I want to a disk and I plan to use lvm to manage this new disk, lsblk says sdb 8:16 0 465.8G 0 disk, can I just us pvcreate /dev/sdb or do I need to partition it? replaced-url
• 228[02:15:42] <Vigdis> I want to add a disk*
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• 238[02:21:21] <sveta> R0b0t1`: did it work?
• 239[02:21:50] <R0b0t1`> Well... now that I know why I can't log in I didn't change it
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• 241[02:21:55] <R0b0t1`> All the DBs were added via the monitor
• 242[02:22:00] <R0b0t1`> Logged in "locally" over SSH
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• 244[02:22:16] <R0b0t1`> So it does make me wonder about the veracity of the security advice they're following
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• 301[03:06:34] <CashDash123> How do I add this: replaced-url
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• 303[03:08:06] <somiaj> that is an older package, do you really need a newer firefox than firefox-esr?
• 304[03:08:32] <CashDash123> somiaj, They have version 57+
• 305[03:08:41] <CashDash123> there too
• 306[03:09:00] <xalen> CashDash123: replaced-url
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• 309[03:09:49] <somiaj> if wanting a newer firefox, just download the static linked binary from mozilla's offical site and install it in $HOME
• 310[03:10:06] <somiaj> the package is most liekly not built for stretch
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• 313[03:12:55] <xalen> CashDash123: You migh be better off installing it from the sid repos, setting Apt to prioritize strech for every package but Firefox, which will be installed and updated from the sid repos
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• 316[03:14:07] <CashDash123> Why can't I just install it using the .deb?
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• 318[03:14:25] <somiaj> you do not want to mix sid and stretch repos. The upstream binary works just fine. It will most likely be provided via backports once the whole rust situation gets sortted out and the packages migrate to testing
• 319[03:14:51] <R0b0t1`> I hate to ask another general question again, but on this step of setting up Postfix/Dovecot/Roundcube, I receive a "403 forbidden" from the webserver: replaced-url
• 320[03:14:53] <somiaj> until then just use the upstream prebuilt binary.
• 321[03:15:03] <R0b0t1`> So I am wondering what may have changed from jessie to stretch
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• 323[03:15:40] <sveta> check the webserver logs
• 324[03:15:42] <R0b0t1`> If anyone knows a better place to ask I will go there, but generally the response I've gotten in the project's IRC channels now and in the past is "go ask the distribution maintainers" because they don't want to figure out how it is configured
• 325[03:15:44] <R0b0t1`> Hmm
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• 330[03:17:35] <R0b0t1`> sveta: All from a single access - replaced-url
• 331[03:17:41] <R0b0t1`> I'm not sure how to interpret that
• 332[03:17:47] <xalen> CashDash123: You can, but you might not get updates. Here: replaced-url
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• 341[03:19:23] <CashDash123> xalen, I come from The Land of Gentoo it doesn't matter much anyways it's a 13-14 year old lappy
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• 343[03:19:36] <R0b0t1`> I do not see anything roundcube related, but that sounds like it is denied due to roundcube CGI but that makes no sense
• 344[03:19:43] <R0b0t1`> I am looking through the roundcube apache.conf
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• 347[03:20:27] <sveta> R0b0t1`: see replaced-url
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• 352[03:21:28] <sveta> R0b0t1`: if you find that /etc/roundcube/apache.conf needs to be updated, report a bug against te package
• 353[03:21:35] <sveta> R0b0t1`: the
• 354[03:21:39] <R0b0t1`> sveta: I found something similar on the Apache Wiki
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• 357[03:22:22] <CashDash123> xalen, Keeps older things in stable IE: Firefox 52.01 (Last I checked,and Kernel 4.12.12)
• 358[03:22:24] <xalen> CashDash123: I see. Still, it's nice to save the time. Have you decided what you're gonna do?
• 359[03:22:38] <R0b0t1`> sveta: replaced-url
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• 361[03:22:45] <R0b0t1`> Thanks, I think I have enough to ask #httpd
• 362[03:23:01] <CashDash123> xalen, I'll just install it in the $HOME directory
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• 365[03:23:21] <sveta> R0b0t1`: ok
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• 371[03:26:03] <Friend_of_Pandas> Hello. My 9.3 crashed, now it hangs on the "/dev/sda5 : clean, 313619/20373504 files,3077329/81488640 blocks" message. What should I try next?
• 372[03:27:06] <awal1> Friend_of_Pandas, remove 'quiet' from cmdline, you may get more info at that blocking point
• 373[03:27:17] <CashDash123> Does the newer Firefox Version reduce the overhead on i686 machines?
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• 375[03:28:18] <Friend_of_Pandas> awal1: I edited GRUB to say "ro nomodeset quiet" and booted, it booted to a blank gray screen.
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• 384[03:34:00] <CashDash123> I forgot how to add programs to the MATE Launcher?
• 385[03:34:22] <CashDash123> *Applications/Programs
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• 387[03:34:30] <somiaj> create a .desktop file and drop it somewhere in $HOME, I'd have to look up the location
• 388[03:34:36] <Friend_of_Pandas> Oddly enough, I was able to get in from root command line with startx.
• 389[03:34:48] <Friend_of_Pandas> but then what to do, don't know.
• 390[03:35:02] <somiaj> so xorg runs as root but not as a normal user?
• 391[03:35:16] <CashDash123> Like I could've sworn there was a way to do it with a gui
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• 393[03:36:49] <Friend_of_Pandas> somiaj: normal boot hangs infinitely (or at least for 30 minutes), recovery mode -> startx works.
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• 396[03:37:21] <somiaj> Friend_of_Pandas: try to run startx as a normal user
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• 407[03:49:02] <Friend_of_Pandas> somiaj: pardon my idiocy, how do you suggest i get to a normal command line?
• 408[03:50:18] <Friend_of_Pandas> awal1: without quiet, as you suggested, it now hangs at ""Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes..."
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• 424[04:02:58] <Nawab> i hav main,contrib n non-free in the repo, at all three
• 425[04:03:02] <Nawab> so
• 426[04:03:19] <Nawab> i was gonna install steam,but it says tht the package cant be found
• 427[04:03:24] <Nawab> idk
• 428[04:03:29] <Nawab> help pls
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• 432[04:05:53] <awal1> ,v steam
• 433[04:05:54] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
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• 435[04:06:18] <awal1> Nawab check debian wiki abbout how to
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• 437[04:07:20] <awal1> be careful, you may end with a broken system bcoz of multiarch and steam probably broken
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• 456[04:26:56] <somiaj> Friend_of_Pandas: I would first disable your display manager by putting 'false' as the single line in /etc/X11/default-display-manager, and then see if xorg will run as a normal user (running startx as a user, not root)
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• 458[04:27:30] <somiaj> but first I would disable the display manager, and go from there.
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• 484[04:41:47] <precise> Hey guys, was there a recent change with the net-utils package or something? Why can I not run ifconfig as a standard user anymore? Is something in my install borked?
• 485[04:42:09] <precise> *net-tools
• 486[04:43:14] <phogg> precise: ifconfig is in sbin which is not in a non-rot user's PATH. This has been the case for a long time.
• 487[04:43:54] <Friend_of_Pandas> somiaj: with the false added, it gives some new "failed to start GNOME display manager" messages but still hanging at the "Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes..." like it did when i disabled quiet in grub
• 488[04:44:09] <xalen> They're considered old. You can still use them, but you have to install them. They suggest ss to replace netstat, ip to replace ifconfig, and so on...
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• 491[04:44:26] <precise> phogg: I... I could have sworn I've run the ifconfig tool as standard user before, like a million times... huh
• 492[04:44:30] <precise> Maybe I'm too tired :P
• 493[04:44:39] <precise> xalen: I've heard that, just never looked into it
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• 495[04:44:42] <precise> I guess it's about time
• 496[04:44:57] <phogg> precise: a long time ago it was in the default PATH. Like... ten years maybe? It's been a while.
• 497[04:45:07] <precise> phogg: Nah man, we are talking a month ago
• 498[04:45:13] <precise> 0_o
• 499[04:45:17] <phogg> precise: maybe on a different distro?
• 500[04:45:24] <xalen> They give good enough reasons for the change. Still... I don't like the "new" tools. ifconfig ftw
• 501[04:45:30] <precise> I did run Ubuntu for years before Debian....
• 502[04:45:53] <precise> Anyone know if that change in Debian made its way to Ubunut?
• 503[04:45:54] <phogg> precise: Your name absolutely did NOT give that away. Nope.
• 504[04:46:00] <precise> phogg: lmao
• 505[04:46:19] <precise> phogg: Was setting up Precise Pangolin on a Dell Precision
• 506[04:46:24] <precise> It felt appropriate
• 507[04:46:31] <phogg> xalen: I'm with you on that. If they want to replace ifconfig and give it new syntax the new tool needs to also be called ifconfig.
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• 517[04:51:20] <xalen> And they have some details that are a bit annoying. e.g, using "ss -tunap" instead of "netstat -ntlupda" gives more or less the same info, but columns aren't properly aligned. It's a detail, but if I have to see that often on my server... nope, no thanks
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• 538[05:07:23] <blorp> hi all, please, I'd like to connect my notebook to my aoc tv through hdmi connection. but aoc tv doesn't recognize debian OS. Please, how to idenfity which driver or firmware I need to install on it ?
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• 545[05:10:53] <phogg> xalen: for me it's OS portability, too. You wont find ip or ss on Solaris.
• 546[05:11:33] <blorp> please, should I use 'firmware-linux-nonfree (= 0.43)' for this purpose, or are there any other more specific package for AOC TV ?
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• 555[05:16:56] <xalen> blorp: could you be more specific about your TV? is it from a particular series? what do you see when you plug it?
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• 557[05:18:50] <blorp> Hi xalen, in this case, when I connect my laptop with debian stretch 9.3, I only see the basic desktop background screen, but can't see the menus, bottoms and can't manage Debian. I use mate interface
• 558[05:19:17] <blorp> I don't know which series does it belong, xalen
• 559[05:19:24] <blorp> but can check about the model
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• 562[05:20:15] <xalen> blorp: Oh, but that means it does recognize Debian. It's just a display adjustment issue.
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• 565[05:21:00] <blorp> yes, xalen, but all the rest of the desktop environment isn't seen... do you have any idea about how to fix this issue, xalen ?
• 566[05:21:06] <blorp> Please
• 567[05:22:04] <somiaj> Friend_of_Pandas: many times it is the thing right after the last output you see that is causing the problem. maybe if you have a persistant journal (create the directory /var/log/journal) you could get slighty moredetails, but if it isn't xorg, I am unsure what could be having troubles.
• 568[05:22:13] <xalen> I usually adjust it with Fn+Fx, x being one of the keys from F1 to F12 that has the display icon
• 569[05:22:47] <CashDash123> Wow the new Firefox feels lighter on the 2gb of ram single core laptop I'm using
• 570[05:22:49] <xalen> But I assume you've tried that
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• 573[05:23:54] <blorp> no xalen, in fact, I haven't tried it yet
• 574[05:24:27] <xalen> blorp: good. Give it a shot, then. If that doesn't work, we'll try something else
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• 576[05:25:22] <blorp> fine xalen, thanks for help ! Let me try it now
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• 592[05:30:45] <blorp> well, xalen, it didn't give any result here, only the blue debian screen remains here
• 593[05:31:04] <blorp> the wallpaper that I selected for my laptop
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• 595[05:31:23] <blorp> the mouse cursor is seen too
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• 597[05:32:04] <blorp> the 'alt + tab ' fucntion does work too
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• 600[05:33:59] <xalen> You can still see everything on your laptop's screen, correct?
• 601[05:35:00] <blorp> directly through laptop screen, yes, xalen
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• 603[05:35:58] <xalen> on control center > display settings, what options do you have?
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• 605[05:36:24] <blorp> let me remember this path... it is from mate, ok ?
• 606[05:36:38] <blorp> yes, it is
• 607[05:36:41] <xalen> There should be a "mirror output" or something like that
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• 611[05:37:28] <blorp> I see references about aoc, xalen
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• 614[05:39:31] <xalen> blorp: Is there anything you can change that might solve it? (I can't reproduce it, as I only have MATE on a VM)
• 615[05:39:52] <incal> I have a SDHC card from a Lumix camera, when I mount it I get the hole filesystem structure but when I ls the dir where the actual photo files, are I get "cannot stat", "input/output error"
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• 617[05:40:07] <xalen> Can you do something like "set as mirror"?
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• 620[05:41:59] <blorp> I selected
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• 622[05:42:16] <blorp> aoc intl 32 hdmi and it was seen on tv
• 623[05:43:16] <xalen> so it worked?
• 624[05:43:50] <blorp> I didn't see 'set as mirror', xalen
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• 627[05:44:58] <blorp> now, I saw mirror screens and it's working, xalen !
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• 630[05:46:05] <blorp> the debian and all applications in tv aoc are running fine now, xalen
• 631[05:46:19] <blorp> but only sound is not recognized in tv
• 632[05:46:32] <blorp> I have the sound from laptop itself, only
• 633[05:47:08] <xalen> blorp: good to know! Now the sound on MATE must be adjusted on sound settings. You have to select the proper hardware
• 634[05:47:46] <blorp> ok, xalen, let me see that. thank you ?
• 635[05:48:12] <xalen> blorp: on control center > sound, should be a tab named "hardware". There you have a menu to choose profile and you should see "something something HDMI"
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• 640[05:52:15] <blorp> I saw it, but it's not available in 'hardware' menu. on control center, xalen, unfortunately
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• 650[05:56:09] <blorp> thank you for great support, xalen !!!
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• 653[05:58:22] <xalen> blorp: no problem, enjoy!
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• 656[05:59:28] <blorp> see you xalen :)
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• 663[06:03:36] <CashDash123> Firefox 57 is awesome on my single core!
• 664[06:03:59] <Voldenet> firefox 57 is awesome on my 0 cores
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• 666[06:04:47] <CashDash123> Voldenet, I'm just messing around with it though it's one of my more powerful ones
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• 681[06:14:45] <rant> Firefox's big issue was treating the ram like an open buffet
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• 689[06:18:01] <CashDash123> Yeah now I can multiple tabs open and it feels faster
• 690[06:18:20] <CashDash123> epically with 2gb of ram
• 691[06:19:15] <R0b0t1`> Does anyone have a recommendation of where I might go for help with roundcube?
• 692[06:19:36] <R0b0t1`> I created a user per replaced-url
• 693[06:19:40] <rant> M C Escher?
• 694[06:19:57] <R0b0t1`> Postfix delivers mail, but it doesn't seem to ever make it to dovecot
• 695[06:20:24] <R0b0t1`> The only error is: AUTHENTICATE PLAIN: Authentication failed. in /usr/share/roundcube/program/lib/Roundcube/rcube_imap.php on line 193
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• 702[06:22:57] <dondelelcaro> dpkg: status
• 703[06:22:57] <dpkg> Since Sun Dec 24 05:20:52 2017, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 2m 5s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 91712 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 0.52/0.06 child 0/0
• 704[06:23:06] <dondelelcaro> hrm. that's useless
• 705[06:23:14] <rant> heh
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• 710[06:25:26] <Rusty1_> practice makes perfect dondelelcaro
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• 714[06:28:35] <dondelelcaro> dpkg: status
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• 716[06:28:58] <rant> all the bots have been having issues.. not just dpkg
• 717[06:29:05] <dondelelcaro> that's better
• 718[06:29:19] <dondelelcaro> well, dpkg and debhelper are on the same machine which just died
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• 720[06:29:39] <dondelelcaro> but anyway, that seems to work better now
• 721[06:29:39] <rant> I'd set /notify on them all since the problems began and apt and judd have been disappearing too
• 722[06:29:47] <dondelelcaro> ah, could be
• 723[06:30:04] <dondelelcaro> well, they're definitely being run on a shoestring
• 724[06:30:12] <rant> couldnt seem to find Tim Riker.. idk what nick he's using these days or if he's even coming on anymore
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• 727[06:31:46] <dondelelcaro> hrm; judd is themill's IIRC. Not sure who is running apt right now
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• 729[06:32:06] <dondelelcaro> but anyway, it's holidays, so things are definitely on a best-effort basis right now
• 730[06:32:19] <rant> I havent talked to Tim in ages. I check his website once in awhile to see what he's up to.. still holding my breath on that cell phone he's suppose to be designing
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• 732[06:34:41] <rant> ~test
• 733[06:35:08] <themill> I wouldn't bother with apt
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• 735[06:35:26] <themill> dselect: smite rant
• 736[06:35:27] * dselect smites rant with a plague of frogs
• 737[06:36:17] <rant> ah.. I didnt know about that one
• 738[06:36:45] <themill> rant: dselect runs on a backup of dpkg's db; apt is just whatever was in the database a decade or more ago
• 739[06:37:11] <rant> yeah thats about how long its been since I seen/heard from Tim Riker
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• 743[06:40:14] <rant> themill: whats the trigger char for dselect?
• 744[06:40:28] <themill> :moo
• 745[06:40:35] <themill> ;moo
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• 747[06:40:47] * themill looks at the config
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• 749[06:40:53] <rant> I take that as an idk :P
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• 754[06:43:04] <themill> %cookie me
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• 756[06:44:56] <rant> I wonder wth is going on.. dpkg, debhelper, and dselect all just reconnected
• 757[06:45:07] <rant> its like all the bots are having issues as of late
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• 759[06:45:39] <themill> should be %
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• 761[06:46:18] <rant> and I didnt see debhelper auto-op even though my notify shows it rejoining 7 min ago
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• 794[07:13:38] <R0b0t1`> rant: Recently the Gentoo bot went down
• 795[07:13:50] <R0b0t1`> rant: Someone has dispatched a cadre of elite hackers to target FOSS infrastructure
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• 797[07:14:02] <R0b0t1`> We must be on our toes
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• 799[07:15:06] <rant> I dont think that phrase really applies
• 800[07:15:18] <rant> most of us are on our cheeks
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• 804[07:17:39] <rant> besides the gentoo bot was probably just being recompiled :P
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• 814[07:24:41] <somiaj> rant: the bots are fine.
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• 819[07:27:25] <rant> now they are, except apt anyhow
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• 825[07:33:36] <somiaj> their host underwent a change.
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• 889[08:45:17] <jmd> There is a comment in /etc/sudoers "Allow members of group sudo to execute any command"
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• 891[08:45:54] <jmd> I am a member of "sudo" but sudo refuses to allow me to execute any commands.
• 892[08:46:03] <somiaj> jmd: by default on debian, the sudoers file will give any member of the sudo group full root access, so users can simplay 'adduser username sudo' and not have to modify anything.
• 893[08:46:20] <somiaj> jmd: did you logout and back in after you added yourself to the group? Does the output of 'groups' say sudo?
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• 895[08:47:17] <jmd> Yes I did logout and log in again.
• 896[08:47:43] <jmd> "groups" says that I am not a member of sudo, but "grep ^sudo /etc/group" says that I am.
• 897[08:48:10] <somiaj> are you sure you fully logged out? If you are running inside of xorg, you have to fully logout, not just open up a new terminal
• 898[08:48:20] <somiaj> jmd: run 'su - username' then enterin your password, then run groups again.
• 899[08:48:52] <somiaj> su - username will force a full login(), and you should see yourself added to the group. If not maybe you have a syntax error in /etc/group
• 900[08:49:08] <jmd> I don't know what "fully" logged out means. I terminated the X session and started a new one. I didn't reboot if that's what you mean.
• 901[08:49:39] <jmd> su - username seems to do the trick.
• 902[08:49:44] <somiaj> jmd: so you didn't fully log out.
• 903[08:49:54] <jelly> logging out of X ought to be enough
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• 905[08:49:57] <somiaj> when you terminated the xsession, you went back to a tty, did you run 'startx' again
• 906[08:50:06] <somiaj> only if using a display manager.
• 907[08:50:17] <jelly> assuming one uses a DM
• 908[08:50:39] <jmd> I thought startx was run by the display manager.
• 909[08:50:40] <somiaj> if using startx, you'll have to 'exit' and get a login screen, login again, then run startx.
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• 911[08:51:21] <somiaj> jmd: anyways, after you terminated x, did you login in again using the display manager?
• 912[08:51:29] <jmd> somiaj: Yes.
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• 914[08:52:39] <somiaj> could there be something going on with the non setuid xorg and a display manager not fully logging the user out. This does seem strange, but forcing a login seems to do it. Anyways, I'm unsure what is going on then.
• 915[08:53:06] <jmd> Anyway su - jmd fixed it, so thanks v. much.
• 916[08:53:32] <somiaj> jmd: a reboot should fix it then. I'm unsure why loging out and relogging in via the display manager is not refreshing your groups.
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• 941[09:42:03] <monsterminds> hi
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• 945[09:42:15] <xalen> howdy
• 946[09:42:22] <monsterminds> xalen?
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• 948[09:42:31] <monsterminds> you see my mesej
• 949[09:42:33] <xalen> monsterminds?
• 950[09:42:38] <monsterminds> yeah
• 951[09:42:55] <xalen> why wouldn't I see your message?
• 952[09:43:03] <monsterminds> how loong you use hexchat
• 953[09:43:11] <monsterminds> im new here
• 954[09:43:17] <somiaj> !chat
• 955[09:43:18] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
• 956[09:43:34] <monsterminds> ops sorry
• 957[09:43:43] <somiaj> monsterminds: mainly pointing out this is a debian support channel. and there are lots of different irc clients one can use to connect to the network.
• 958[09:43:48] <xalen> monsterminds: you can go to #debian-offtopic
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• 961[09:44:03] <monsterminds> okay
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• 963[09:44:17] <somiaj> monsterminds: you may find other channels here on the freenode network more useful for what you would like to talk about. ##chat is also another social channel, if you are just looking to chat
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• 1045[10:44:34] <temy> Hello, shouldn't the guidelines be search-engine friendly? What about if I use DuckDuckGo? :)
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• 1048[10:45:14] <bazhang> temy, great one for #debian-offtopic
• 1049[10:45:19] <jmd> temy: I agree. firefox should be patched in debian to remove Google as the default search engine.
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• 1051[10:46:19] <jmd> bazhang: I don't see anything in /topic to suggest that it's subject which may not be discussed here.
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• 1053[10:46:40] <awal1> firefox-esr uses duckduckgo yet, if not wrong
• 1054[10:47:08] <temy> Well, I don't mean firefox-esr, I mean the guidelines of #debian
• 1055[10:47:38] <temy> Probably "search" would be a better term?
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• 1065[10:52:45] <jelly> temy: I'm not sure what in those 200-ish characters is worth being searchable
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• 1068[10:53:55] <awal1> hum, you meant "use a/your search engine" instead of "google" in dpkg topic :D
• 1069[10:54:12] <temy> awall: Exactly :)
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• 1072[10:55:18] <jelly> I'm not going to add more words to that factoid when the meaning is obvious already
• 1073[10:55:50] <bazhang> dpkg, merry christmas
• 1074[10:55:51] <dpkg> merry christmas!
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• 1082[10:58:38] <temy> jelly: It is not a big deal to me if it is not going to be changed, either way is good to me (in fact I would like to see "google" now a generic term)
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• 1092[11:03:58] <jmd> temy: 15 years ago I would have agreed with you. But today I don't like the idea of promoting Google more than we have to.
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• 1134[11:22:23] <yang> I tried "pavucontrol" and speakers are not muted
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• 1223[12:07:23] <mcghostware_> hi guys pretty new to linux and just fired up debian as a base OS impressed so far is this the best place for support when i need it?
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• 1227[12:07:59] <pie3> are you working on any python based project?
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• 1231[12:09:31] <riskox> mcghostware: this is a good place, yes, although you should try looking for answers in the manpages and via web search before you ask in irc, in general
• 1232[12:09:49] <mr__tea> mcghostware_: #windows
• 1233[12:09:50] <mr__tea> :))
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• 1236[12:10:53] <mcghostware_> yes i do try everywhere first but its good to know that i have here as a backup. I promise I wont be in every 5 mins shouting help what is sudo. lol
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• 1239[12:13:12] <mcghostware_> I am new to irc channel also so it would not be my first port to call but I do love the learning experience Debian 9 seems great to use so far i have been trying loads of distros I think i will settle on Debian as my base though
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• 1246[12:19:15] <mr__tea> mcghostware_: nice :)
• 1247[12:19:29] <mr__tea> raspbian is cool as well for the raspi if you like that
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• 1249[12:20:21] <mr__tea> raspi -> raspberry pi
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• 1251[12:23:45] <mcghostware_> mr_tea i will have a look at that thanks I do a lot with Android devices so I have been trying to find the best one for doing Android dev work I had a look at the FWUL distro by XDA its got a lot of the stuff I need but you cant make it a permanent OS just yet best can get is a persistent mode booting from USB
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• 1256[12:28:21] <watom> hey. how i prevent ssh to clear the terminal after login?
• 1257[12:29:12] <watom> i don't get the lastlogin also
• 1258[12:29:21] <watom> and i get an empty line before the prompt...
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• 1261[12:30:25] <pie3> r = requests.get("replaced-url
• 1262[12:30:25] <pie3> <fChanX> print(r)
• 1263[12:30:25] <pie3> <fChanX> print(r.text)
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• 1265[12:30:39] <pie3> can you help me to convert it to get the same result without python?
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• 1314[13:08:53] <rant> pie3: um... what?
• 1315[13:09:19] <rant> pie3: links2 -dump "replaced-url
• 1316[13:09:22] <rant> you mean that?
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• 1322[13:13:25] <pie3> rant: it didnt work
• 1323[13:13:31] <pie3> just gave a prompt >
• 1324[13:13:38] <SirLagz> pie3: what are you trying to do?
• 1325[13:13:50] <pie3> SirLagz: i am trying to see page source
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• 1327[13:13:59] <SirLagz> pie3: but why?
• 1328[13:14:07] <pie3> is it same as "GET" request?
• 1329[13:14:13] <SirLagz> yes
• 1330[13:14:19] <pie3> SirLagz: i do things without reason
• 1331[13:14:23] <pie3> for curiosity
• 1332[13:15:00] <SirLagz> pie3: right.
• 1333[13:15:04] <SirLagz> wget or curl
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• 1336[13:15:55] <pie3> SirLagz: can you advice how to do it with wget/curl
• 1337[13:16:03] <pie3> what is links2 -dump for?
• 1338[13:16:23] <SirLagz> pie3: wget <url> ?
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• 1340[13:16:42] <pie3> ? needed?
• 1341[13:16:46] <SirLagz> no
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• 1345[13:17:17] <pie3> SirLagz: it didnt work as expected
• 1346[13:17:35] <SirLagz> pie3: define it didn't work
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• 1348[13:17:53] <pie3> it gave result someyhing like this
• 1349[13:17:54] <pie3> "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
• 1350[13:17:55] <pie3> Length: unspecified [text/html]
• 1351[13:17:55] <pie3> Saving to: ‘index.html’
• 1352[13:17:57] <pie3> index.html [ <=> ] 13.85K --.-KB/s in 0.08s
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• 1354[13:18:01] <SirLagz> lol
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• 1357[13:18:35] <babilen> Looks as if pie3 wants to use curl or read up on wget's options
• 1358[13:19:05] <SirLagz> babilen: indeed.
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• 1412[13:58:55] <rant> yeah if they just wanted the source, they could just wget/curl the page
• 1413[13:59:23] <rant> links2 -dump or most text browser's -dump option is if you want the actal page, not the source
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• 1426[14:09:07] <SirLagz> rant: who knows what he actually wanted...since he never told us
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• 1476[14:37:33] <dokma> Kernel loaded 8192 module for my 8188 RTL wifi adapter and it does have an 8188 version. I wouldn't mind if my WIFI connections wasn't randomly dropping.
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• 1478[14:38:03] <dokma> Is kernel being smart for loading a better driver or is it going dog on stupid?
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• 1494[14:51:13] <rant> dokma: modinfo should be able to show you the devices supported by a driver, and lspci/lsusb should be able to show you the vend/prod id of your adapter
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• 1509[15:00:59] <gribouille> hi
• 1510[15:01:14] <gribouille> someone here?
• 1511[15:01:43] <dvs> !ask
• 1512[15:01:43] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1515[15:02:53] <gribouille> how can I know which packages have been added, removed or renamed between jessie and stretch?
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• 1521[15:09:19] <bolt> gribouille: what would such a list be used for?
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• 1532[15:12:31] <gribouille> bolt, to know the changes betwen the two releases
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• 1534[15:13:59] <pie3> what are your coding project are about?
• 1535[15:14:05] <pie3> can you share that active code/project?
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• 1538[15:14:51] <gribouille> who?
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• 1540[15:16:42] <pie3> you gribouille if possible
• 1541[15:17:08] <somiaj> gribouille: most packages have changed at some level, by being newer versions.
• 1542[15:17:48] <dvs> gribouille, It depends what you already have installed. There are literally thousands of packages in the distribution.
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• 1544[15:19:10] <gribouille> dvs I just need to know if a package foo in jessie can be installed in strech with the same name
• 1545[15:19:48] <somiaj> gribouille: in general we suggest that you don't install a jessie package in stretch, but this maybe possible for some packages.
• 1546[15:20:25] <somiaj> by this sounds like an xy-problem. Why do you want to install a jessie package in stretch? What package is it? What are you trying to achive?
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• 1548[15:20:43] <dvs> use a backport if possible
• 1549[15:21:03] <gribouille> somiaj, that's not what I want to do. I just need to know if the packages in jessie are still available in strech
• 1550[15:21:23] <bolt> gribouille: i have no idea what you're doing, but if you want to look up packages by name, simply go to packages.debian.org
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• 1552[15:21:38] <dvs> gribouille, you want to know if you can install a package from stretch into jessie
• 1553[15:21:45] <bolt> gribouille: if you're making some automated installation script or whatever and trying to port it over to jessie, simply try it in a virual machine
• 1554[15:21:59] <somiaj> gribouille: depends on the package, not all packages in jessie are in stretch. You would have to ask that on a package by package question.
• 1555[15:22:12] <bolt> s/jessie/stretch/
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• 1559[15:22:59] <bolt> actually, you wouldn't even need something as fancy as a vm. use a chroot
• 1560[15:23:18] <somiaj> gribouille: in general most will be, but any package that has an RC bug and no one to fix it was removed from stretch.
• 1561[15:23:20] <bolt> then you could even grab a list of your current packages, stuff it in the chroot and attempt to install the same ones. you'll get your answers
• 1562[15:23:41] <somiaj> gribouille: so again, be specific. What software are you wondering is in stretch?
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• 1567[15:26:28] <gribouille> somiaj, I have hundreads of packages installed
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• 1570[15:28:08] <somiaj> gribouille: more likely thousands, but that is beyond the point. Most of them are libaries or dependencies that don't really matter. Many things have alternatives. You can as indicated create a test system, upgrade the test system to stretch to see what changes affect you. In most cases there is alternative software that can be used.
• 1571[15:29:20] <somiaj> but thousands of users have upgraded from jessie to stretch and had all the software they needed avaiable. But this is never 100%, software projects get abandonend, and though debian keeps them around as long as they are still working, once they have rc bugs they maybe removed.
• 1572[15:29:44] <gribouille> ok
• 1573[15:29:53] <somiaj> The only real major package I can recall from jessie -> stretch is virtualbox was removed, but you can get this from stretch-backports, so that is only a slight difference.
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• 1577[15:30:52] <somiaj> gribouille: this is partly why debian supports old stable for a year after the release, to give admins the time to test things, and be able to plan upgrdaes.
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• 1596[15:46:11] <gribouille> aptitude search "~ahold" and dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$' don't give the same results
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• 1599[15:47:41] <somiaj> aptitude and dpkg use different means to hold a package.
• 1600[15:48:04] <gribouille> somiaj, that's a great idea ;-)
• 1601[15:49:03] <somiaj> though in stable why are you holding so many packages? Packages shoudlnt' be changing that much in a frozen system, and you do want security updates
• 1602[15:49:26] <somiaj> if you are using hold to keep older versions of packages around from a pervious release, you may want to think of a more 'debian way' to deal with this siutation.
• 1603[15:49:32] <gribouille> somiaj, I just hold two
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• 1607[15:51:30] <somiaj> I think aptitude might now honor dpkg status, but apt may not honor aptitude holds, but unsure on the detail. Seems there is a bug about this
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• 1609[15:52:19] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 1627[16:02:57] <jhutchins> On a newly built server I get 1002
• 1628[16:03:25] <jhutchins> my desktop gets 1739
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• 1631[16:04:15] <somiaj> 2310 packages here or so on my desktop system
• 1632[16:04:36] <dvs> lots of grissel!
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• 1641[16:13:45] <SuperTramp83> 1403 \o/ Now, what do I win?
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• 1650[16:18:24] <sdk> Q: Eh I'm trying to change the sensitivity of my trackpoint (Thinkpad E450)
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• 1748[17:31:16] <aloo_shu> Merry ##Xmas, Everybody!
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• 1760[17:40:51] <julius_> hi
• 1761[17:41:21] <julius_> i need the current kernel headers for my running kernel, i tried: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) but of course i get: E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-4.9.0-1-amd64 why is that?
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• 1763[17:42:44] <Mathisen> apt install linux-headers-amd64
• 1764[17:43:03] <julius_> it does install -13
• 1765[17:43:09] <julius_> but i need .9
• 1766[17:43:12] <julius_> .13 i mean
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• 1771[17:44:36] <Mathisen> have you updated but not rebooted into new kernel or something ?
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• 1776[17:46:02] <julius_> no but im getting the .13 right now
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• 1830[18:23:59] <pie3> is there any markdown editor prebuilt?
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• 1860[18:47:38] <nathani> How do I remove all partitions using the debian manual installer?
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• 1874[18:57:32] <ompaul> pie3: run this command and read up on the various tools. apt search markdown editor
• 1875[18:58:11] <ompaul> nathani: you start an standard install and when it gets to the partition window delete the existing.
• 1876[18:58:24] <ompaul> nathani: and then stop if that is what you want to do
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• 1897[19:10:48] <OS-32106> /msg NickServ REGISTER QipMazDai11022 ginromdam@gmail.com-address>
• 1898[19:10:55] <OS-32106> /msg NickServ REGISTER QipMazDai11022 ginromdam@gmail.com-address
• 1899[19:10:57] <ompaul> game over
• 1900[19:11:01] <OS-32106> ((
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• 1913[19:21:19] <julius_> hehe
• 1914[19:21:52] <rant> anyone know more about this warning? "/etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc: Warning: /etc/resolv.conf is not a symbolic link to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf" I get the gist of it that apparently handling of dns stuff has changed, but it doesnt seem to effect anything that I can tell
• 1915[19:22:50] <rant> I've been ignoring it, but I figure I should probably learn what is going. :P
• 1916[19:22:56] <peterS> rant: guessing this just means the resolvconf package won't work. I don't use the resolvconf package, don't know if you do - you can uninstall it if you know you don't need it
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• 1918[19:23:43] <rant> I'll have to look it up and see what it is.. I just use dhcp which assigns me a dns address.. and dns works.. I'm not running any services or anything
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• 1921[19:24:21] <rant> considering I dont know what it is, and don't seem to need it.. I wonder why it got installed...
• 1922[19:24:28] <peterS> yeah resolvconf wants to be your thing to update DNS dynamically via DHCP and PPP and other such things ... but I'm not sure if it's actually required for dhclient to do that
• 1923[19:24:44] <peterS> well, various other packages 'Recommend' it, not sure if anything actually hard-depends on it
• 1924[19:24:53] <rant> and furthermore why it didnt create the link it keeps bitching about :P
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• 1927[19:25:52] <rant> I typically see it when I'm running my wlan script that ifup/downs my wireless when it flakes out
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• 1929[19:26:04] <peterS> I'd read both files, /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf, and see if the one seems more up to date and correct than the other
• 1930[19:26:38] <peterS> if /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf seems up to date and correct, I'd just create the link yourself: ln -fs resolvconf/run/resolv.conf /etc
• 1931[19:26:43] <rant> happens right after I recieve the dhcpack
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• 1933[19:27:33] <peterS> right - if resolvconf is installed, it gets run by things like dhclient at that point
• 1934[19:28:35] <nathani> thanks ompaul
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• 1939[19:31:30] <rant> seems /etc/resolveconf/run/resolve.conf is up to date but /etc/resolve.conf links to /run/resloveconf/resolve.conf and both files have the same date and checksums are identical.
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• 1944[19:33:45] <rant> which I dont feel like examining it entirely now, but it seems this would be a bug in /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc because it is only suppose to notify the user if the file it updates is not the one that is pointed to by /etc/resolv.conf and it seems both are being updated
• 1945[19:34:55] <rant> I'm still running jessie cause I my connection is flaky and upgrading would be a pain, so its not a big deal.. I was just curious
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• 1950[19:37:40] <peterS> rant: so ... I'm guessing the file in /run/ is a symlink to the one in /etc/resolvconf/
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• 1956[19:38:26] <rant> peterS: no they are both text files that are identical
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• 1959[19:38:45] <rant> I'd checked that thinking the same thing when the checksums where the same
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• 1962[19:39:18] <rant> I'd have to read the update.d/libc script in detail and strace to be absolutely sure whats going on
• 1963[19:39:32] <rant> not really THAT curious :P
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• 1992[19:56:45] <addy-fe> hello,,
• 1993[19:57:08] <addy-fe> how to make ~/.profile file executed on login?
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• 2000[20:02:08] <NetTerminalGene> i installed gnome. it told me there are new updates today. i clicked it and it opened software center. but there is nothing there. so i did apt-get upgrade and it told me there is linux upgrade. so i installed that way
• 2001[20:02:57] <NetTerminalGene> what is going on?
• 2002[20:03:49] <NetTerminalGene> anyone use gnome here?
• 2003[20:03:59] <NetTerminalGene> what can you tell me about that
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• 2006[20:05:12] <addy-fe> software-center bug maybe..
• 2007[20:05:33] <NetTerminalGene> >.<
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• 2009[20:06:33] <annadane> NetTerminalGene, "anyone" is vague. better to ask your real question
• 2010[20:06:39] <annadane> ah, i see your question
• 2011[20:06:41] <annadane> missed it before
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• 2017[20:07:41] <annadane> right, it sounds like a bug
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• 2021[20:10:59] <NetTerminalGene> any other can confirm that bug?
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• 2025[20:14:07] <addy-fe> unfortunately, i use bspwm
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• 2031[20:16:24] <Rusty1_64> !anyone
• 2032[20:16:25] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 2034[20:17:42] <annadane> Rusty1_64, wrong context
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• 2036[20:17:52] <annadane> anyway, i don't know what the name of the gnome software center package is
• 2037[20:17:59] <annadane> i'm not sure if it's already been reported on the bts
• 2038[20:18:12] <annadane> i think it's just "gnome-software-center"?
• 2039[20:18:33] <annadane> ah, it's gnome-software
• 2040[20:18:35] <annadane> so let me check
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• 2042[20:20:05] <annadane> NetTerminalGene, you can also take a peek at replaced-url
• 2043[20:20:36] <annadane> but it absolutely sounds like not intended behavior and i'm not sure how one could fix it
• 2044[20:20:49] <annadane> (you can obviously just use the terminal for now as a workaround)
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• 2047[20:22:36] <NetTerminalGene> yeah
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• 2049[20:23:03] <NetTerminalGene> gnome is buggy
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• 2051[20:23:32] <annadane> part of the problem with these bug reports is that a number of them say "testing" so it's hard to know whether they affect current stable as depending on when the report was filed, stretch was testing
• 2052[20:23:39] <NetTerminalGene> i installed dash to dock addon from repos. it is also buggy
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• 2054[20:23:44] <annadane> but the reports themselves may offer potential fixes
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• 2058[20:27:38] <annadane> (same issue with unstable actually)
• 2059[20:27:44] <somiaj> NetTerminalGene: you are using only stretch repos? You didn't mix anything? (just double checking)
• 2060[20:27:50] <annadane> sadly not every bug that gets reported is fixed
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• 2062[20:28:18] <somiaj> debian isn't bug free, it is frozen, so it means it gives you an expected experience, with may include some behavior
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• 2064[20:29:40] <NetTerminalGene> somiaj, only stretch repos
• 2065[20:30:45] <NetTerminalGene> it looks like no one use gnome
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• 2068[20:32:06] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: i use gnome on a laptop and a tower, they both work flawlessly.
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• 2070[20:32:29] <NetTerminalGene> LtL, did you get update today?
• 2071[20:32:36] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: yes
• 2072[20:32:45] <NetTerminalGene> installed with software center?
• 2073[20:33:06] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: i use the command line, always.
• 2074[20:33:12] <NetTerminalGene> ahha
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• 2079[20:35:00] <somiaj> NetTerminalGene: trandtiionally the comand line tools for apt have always been the best, so it might be few people use the gui application center.
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• 2081[20:37:11] <NetTerminalGene> LtL, do you use dash to dock addon?
• 2082[20:37:23] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: no
• 2083[20:37:44] <NetTerminalGene> i couldn't bear without that addon.
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• 2089[20:38:53] <NetTerminalGene> LtL, so you always chose your application by moving your mouse to corner?
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• 2092[20:39:44] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: sometimes
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• 2094[20:40:12] <NetTerminalGene> LtL, do you have big monitor?
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• 2096[20:40:58] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: easier to just press the meta key, and type in the search box rather than scroll through apps
• 2097[20:41:21] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: 22 inch i think
• 2098[20:41:28] <NetTerminalGene> i was talking about windows
• 2099[20:41:34] <NetTerminalGene> application windows
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• 2101[20:42:34] <NetTerminalGene> it reguires two click instead of 1
• 2102[20:42:59] <NetTerminalGene> with addon you can choose any app with one click
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• 2104[20:43:29] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: ok thanks
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• 2128[20:59:27] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: to be accurate i rarely double-click on anything, i have my ways. Anyway, i'm in terminals all day
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• 2134[21:01:13] <NetTerminalGene> LtL, you use shortcuts?
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• 2141[21:04:04] <LtL> NetTerminalGene: i have one symlink to firefox on the desktop, by shortcuts yah everybody has/uses shortcuts in one way or another.
• 2142[21:04:45] <NetTerminalGene> i think you got me wrong
• 2143[21:05:49] <LtL> 'shortcut' = ambiguous
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• 2146[21:09:16] <inter> after some system updates i reboot and my tray is full of this stuff: replaced-url
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• 2154[21:19:47] <ChunkzZ> can anyone help me? I have setup samba and trying to see it in thunar but it just shows "windows" network and nothing else, it worked on the same system but with ubuntu but now I'm on debian stretch...
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• 2156[21:21:04] <ChunkzZ> my samba config.. replaced-url
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• 2165[21:26:02] <jhutchins> ChunkzZ: A samba setup would show as a Windows network.
• 2166[21:26:13] <ChunkzZ> jhutchins, nah it doesn't.
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• 2168[21:26:34] <ChunkzZ> jhutchins, Failed to retrieve share list from server: No such file or directory
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• 2170[21:27:20] <jhutchins> ChunkzZ: smbclient -L \\workgroup or -L \\server
• 2171[21:27:26] <Mathisen> ChunkzZ, does it work if you manual type the full smb://path in thunar ?
• 2172[21:28:24] <ChunkzZ> jhutchins, Connection to workgroup failed (Error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL)
• 2173[21:28:27] <ChunkzZ> Mathisen, nah
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• 2175[21:29:35] <ChunkzZ> it worked with the same config on ubuntu 16 but now I'm on stretch :/
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• 2177[21:31:46] <ChunkzZ> Mathisen, sorry, yes it does.. if I type smb://192.168.0.25/ayescott5350/ it works. jhutchins
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• 2186[21:36:24] <Mathisen> ChunkzZ, i kinda have the same problem as you
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• 2188[21:36:42] <ChunkzZ> really Mathisen?
• 2189[21:37:03] <Edan777> what is your problem ChunkzZ?
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• 2192[21:38:24] <Mathisen> ChunkzZ, yes and smbtree does also display everything correct right ?
• 2193[21:38:56] <ChunkzZ> smbtree doesn't display anything Mathisen
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• 2195[21:41:35] <ChunkzZ> Mathisen, do you know how to mount the share in fstab?
• 2196[21:41:37] <Mathisen> ok we dont have same issue then as that shows correct for me, it just thunar that dont play along for me
• 2197[21:41:41] <ChunkzZ> I'm having a problem with that too.
• 2198[21:42:00] <ChunkzZ> Mathisen,^
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• 2204[21:44:36] <Mathisen> this is my smb.conf atleast replaced-url
• 2205[21:44:45] <Mathisen> looks strange as i took out all commented lines
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• 2209[21:45:19] <ChunkzZ> Mathisen, do you know how to mount the share in fstab?
• 2210[21:45:25] <jarlaxl> I had problems too, I created new conf from default on replaced-url
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• 2213[21:46:00] <ChunkzZ> jarlaxl, you might have an answer.. ?
• 2214[21:47:13] <ChunkzZ> both my samba config and fstab are here replaced-url
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• 2216[21:47:33] <Mathisen> ChunkzZ, no i have not tried that, but why not just make .sh script for mounting everything and put in your .bashrc as alias or zsh if you use that
• 2217[21:47:37] <Mathisen> i do that and works fine
• 2218[21:47:49] <Mathisen> that way nothing complains if im not connected to the smb netowrk
• 2219[21:48:00] <ChunkzZ> Mathisen, I'm using deluge to download to the network you see that's why
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• 2221[21:48:24] <Mathisen> i dont see the problem
• 2222[21:48:28] <ChunkzZ> jarlaxl, Mathisenm both my samba config and fstab are here replaced-url
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• 2225[21:51:49] <donofrio> my remmina look blue (only remmina does this) replaced-url
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• 2228[21:51:59] <donofrio> the blue one is me remoting to my work desktop, the proper color version was me taking a screenshot of the workstation though windows 10 to show what it should look like...
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• 2231[21:52:25] <ChunkzZ> yay done it! :D
• 2232[21:52:35] <Mathisen> ChunkzZ, and the solusion was ?
• 2233[21:52:38] <donofrio> replaced-url
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• 2236[21:53:25] <ChunkzZ> Mathisen, add this to fstab: //192.168.0.25/ayescott5350 /media/meh cifs username=msusername,password=mspassword,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm 0 0
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• 2238[21:54:06] <Mathisen> ok, il skip fstab as it comes with problems if share is not found
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• 2240[21:54:36] <somiaj> you can put in a flag to tell systemd to not panic if the mount fails
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• 2242[21:55:20] <somiaj> also you may not want to have your password in fstab, but you can use a seperate file to put the password in that you can restrict permsions on
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• 2248[21:56:31] <Mathisen> i know about the file for username,pass but what about the flag ? how to add that one ?
• 2249[21:57:39] <somiaj> I'll have to look it up, one second
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• 2252[21:59:11] <somiaj> the option is 'nofail', "With nofail, this mount will be only wanted, not required, by local-fs.target or remote-fs.target. This means that the boot will continue even if this mount point is not mounted successfully."
• 2253[21:59:28] <Mathisen> nice, thanks for the info
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• 2268[22:05:43] <doublehp> if one module fails loading from /etc/modules, does debian try to load following lines or not ?
• 2269[22:05:44] <ChunkzZ> I'm trying to run this command usermod -aG sudo *name* but it says usermod not found?
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• 2276[22:09:30] <doublehp> forget it, I was logged on the wrong machine
• 2277[22:11:27] <mnuhmnuh> doublehp: echo $PS1 "($?) $(hostname) ${PWD}_ " # :-)
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• 2280[22:12:36] <doublehp> mnuhmnuh: :(){ :|: & };:
• 2281[22:13:15] <mnuhmnuh> looks like a shell bomb to me.
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• 2284[22:14:11] <doublehp> mnuhmnuh: this command is recommended in a tutorial to check correct behaviour of watchdog ...
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• 2323[22:35:52] <donofrio> anyone here know why my remmina 1.2.0 is blue in rdp mode
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• 2327[22:37:29] <spande> I seem to have run into systemd or apt bug during dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch (replaced-url
• 2328[22:37:30] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2330[22:38:20] <bravvve22> hi,i'v installed dovecot under debian jessie,with postfix,i can not get is started using ssl,and without ssl i cant connect to errors are here replaced-url
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• 2332[22:39:16] <spande> I am wondering how to get past the barf "addgroup: The group `systemd-journal' already exists as a system group. Exiting."
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• 2339[22:42:26] <spande> I have /var/cache/apt/archives/systemd_232-25+deb9u1_amd64.deb sitting around
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• 2344[22:44:28] <somiaj> spande: you can edit the script that is causing the problem in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, and comment out the offending line.
• 2345[22:44:33] <somiaj> then run dpkg --configure -a
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• 2347[22:48:36] <spande> somiaj: where can I find the pre-removal script for package systemd ?
• 2348[22:49:08] <somiaj> I just told you, it is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/
• 2349[22:50:08] <somiaj> usually packagename.prerm
• 2350[22:50:30] <spande> thanks, found. Now checking
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• 2357[22:53:46] <somiaj> you can also just put an 'exit 0' at the top of the script to get things to install correctly, but note things the script should have done may not have been done and you'll have to deal with that, but at least the package will be installed and not half-installed
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• 2361[22:55:02] <spande> heh, I wanna keep it clean. Just trying to make sense of how the prerm script is barfing
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• 2365[22:58:03] <spande> what does "subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" mean? Does it mean the pre-removal script was installed by a subprocess (and had an error) ?
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• 2367[22:58:25] <somiaj> yes
• 2368[22:58:52] <somiaj> all scripts need to return an exit 0 (sucess) code or dpkg will throw an error and leave the package half-configured
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• 2370[22:59:09] <spande> "Failed to stop lib-init-rw.mount: Unit lib-init-rw.mount not loaded" is the next output. That is not an error, correct?
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• 2372[22:59:44] <somiaj> usually the actual error is a few lines above that
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• 2374[23:00:03] <spande> "addgroup: The group `systemd-journal' already exists as a system group. Exiting." is the output after that. Is that the error ?
• 2375[23:00:10] * spande looks a few lines above....
• 2376[23:00:32] <somiaj> It could be, I'm unsure if add group gives an non 0 exit code on that, it would be
• 2377[23:00:49] <somiaj> so search the script for the addgroup line, and comment it out, try again.
• 2378[23:01:03] <somiaj> (it could be a warning that is still exiting 0, but it wont' hurt as a starting point)
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• 2381[23:01:40] <somiaj> spande: wait you said after? look before the error code, or just paste the whole output at paste.debian.net, usually best to have it all
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• 2383[23:02:26] <spande> last output before halt is indeed the systemd-journal line
• 2384[23:02:58] <somiaj> still best to just paste the full output, it saves time when getting help.
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• 2386[23:03:22] <spande> replaced-url
• 2387[23:03:49] <spande> grep systemd-journal /etc/group returns: systemd-journal:x:102:
• 2388[23:03:58] <somiaj> yea you have much bigger problems.
• 2389[23:04:03] <somiaj> why are you trying to remove systemd?
• 2390[23:04:03] <spande> aieee
• 2391[23:04:14] <somiaj> look at line 11
• 2392[23:04:37] <spande> I don't particularly want to remove systemd. I just wanted to dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch
• 2393[23:05:15] <somiaj> so you must have some packages or sources installed that are causing apt to think systemd package should be removed. So the error is not with the actual package, but with your system thinking it needs to remove systemd.
• 2394[23:05:51] <somiaj> this is usually called by thrid party sources and our packages installed, or some strange pinning or hold packages you have setup.
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• 2396[23:06:06] <somiaj> what is the output of 'dpkg -l | grep systemd'
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• 2398[23:07:42] <spande> dpkg --get-selections when I was at jessie still (after apt-get update; apt-get upgrade) was: replaced-url
• 2399[23:07:42] * dpkg selects spande's pr0n collection
• 2400[23:08:44] <spande> output of 'dpkg -l | grep systemd' is: replaced-url
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• 2402[23:09:24] <somiaj> spande: what does 'apt-get install systemd' do?
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• 2405[23:10:34] <somiaj> spande: lets try to get systemd upgraded to stretches version, then rerun dist-upgrade, and make sure you look at the package lists before continuing. Again paste them to get others eyes on them.
• 2406[23:11:23] <spande> somiaj: complains about breaks of ifupdown udev and virtualbox-guest-x11: replaced-url
• 2407[23:12:18] <somiaj> spande: virtualbox was removed from stretch, (this is due to orcal policy and security support, you can get it from backports, but doesn't have security support from the debian security team, but new backports will be made avialble as security issues aries, abit slightly slower than secuirty)
• 2408[23:12:39] <somiaj> anyways, you may want to remove virtualbox packages, and then reinstall them from stretch-backports after the upgrade.
• 2409[23:12:40] <spande> I'll remove virtualbox, thanks
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• 2413[23:15:23] <spande> I keep my nose clean and don't break debian if I can help it. So, I'm very unfamiliar with using apt-get with -f option. Do you suggest I use it like apt suggests?
• 2414[23:16:13] <somiaj> it is a common suggestion here, but make sure you read the output before hitting yes.
• 2415[23:16:32] <somiaj> basically this will ask apt to try to fix the problem. It can sometimes figure it out, others we have to manually do it.
• 2416[23:17:02] * spande gathers courage...
• 2417[23:17:25] <somiaj> it won't do anything unless you say yes, so it can't do no harm to see what it thinks should be done
• 2418[23:18:43] <spande> apt-get agrees with you about removing virtualbox: replaced-url
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• 2420[23:19:09] <spande> looks quite sensible to me
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• 2423[23:19:57] <somiaj> yup, I would say yes
• 2424[23:20:07] <somiaj> seems that virtualbox package just caused a hickup in the upgrade
• 2425[23:20:21] * spande optimistically goes for (Y)
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• 2428[23:21:28] <spande> whew. got to the end prompt. Anything special to do now?
• 2429[23:22:00] <somiaj> seems like it was sucecesfull
• 2430[23:22:11] <somiaj> maybe run apt-get dist-upgrade again to see if everrything was upgraded.
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• 2433[23:22:54] <spande> I did get some dpkg messages before I reached the end prompt: replaced-url
• 2434[23:23:43] <somiaj> unsure what that means, would want to see the full output, but if you saw no errors, it should be fine.
• 2435[23:24:15] <somiaj> it might just be it had to deconfigure and reconfigure some packages related to systemd in fix
• 2436[23:24:40] * spande it's 'cos I'm still on old kernel, with old devices from jessie.
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• 2438[23:25:46] <spande> apt did recommend rebooting when convenient to replace the running dbus-daemon.
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• 2440[23:26:12] <spande> and later installed a new udev.conf
• 2441[23:26:12] <somiaj> anyways, if apt-get dist-upgrade has you fully upgraded, I htink all is fine now.
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• 2445[23:26:39] <somiaj> I would be prepared for a resuce on boot, just to be safe, but things look fine to me
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• 2447[23:26:59] * spande does an apt-get dist-upgrade first....
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• 2449[23:27:42] <spande> 2GB of packages still to go...
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• 2452[23:28:03] <somiaj> ahh yea, well hopefully everything goes well now.
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• 2464[23:33:48] <funsin> /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
• 2465[23:33:55] <donofrio> found my issue, replaced-url
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• 2467[23:34:32] <VlanX> Hello. My debian server with Stretch 9.0 doesnt feel like booting up with functioning network. To be more specific, as soon as the system boots up, all the NICs are powered down. ifup eno1 or similar, doesnt work. What should I do?
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• 2470[23:36:31] <somiaj> VlanX: well ifup would only work if you had a valid configuration in your /etc/network/interfaces file
• 2471[23:37:35] <VlanX> somiaj: I belive I do have a valid configuration
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• 2475[23:39:14] <somiaj> care to share more detials, what is the output of 'ip a', and your interfaces file.
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• 2484[23:42:55] <VlanX> somiaj: not a lot easy when u don't have network access :(
• 2485[23:43:13] <VlanX> btw I belive this is not Debian's fault
• 2486[23:43:20] <VlanX> It's a ctually a distribution of PVE
• 2487[23:43:34] <VlanX> and I strogly belive they have fuicked up
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• 2490[23:43:52] <jhutchins> VlanX: It would be helpful to know what network hardware it is, what chipset (lspci -nn).
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• 2492[23:44:46] <somiaj> VlanX: so things to check, output of ip a, see if the interfaces are actually showing up. Second, dmesg -- look for any errors/warnings reqlted to the actual hardware for the itnerfaces, including firmware, and then last the interfaces file.
• 2493[23:44:49] <jhutchins> VlanX: Some sort of pre-packaged game server?
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• 2498[23:46:23] <VlanX> jhutchins: Proxmox virtual environment
• 2499[23:46:47] <VlanX> I've always installed it, but now this goddamned 5.0 version has this weird problem
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• 2501[23:47:12] <VlanX> no errors on dmesg and the HW is fine because with another version it works OK
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