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• 9[00:05:17] <toruvinn> b6s3d, apt-cache search apt-cache search libwxgtk
• 10[00:05:19] <toruvinn> oops
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• 12[00:05:24] <toruvinn> b6s3d, well you know what, though.
• 13[00:05:46] <toruvinn> b6s3d, it appears i do have those packages in wheezy. you're probably on jessie?
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• 17[00:07:12] <b6s3d> Wonderful Thank you toruvinn
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• 31[00:10:26] <winsen> SerajewelKS: what is the command line to know what is my network card? is this correct? replaced-url
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• 37[00:12:07] <format_c> winsen, dmesg | grep eth
• 38[00:12:24] <winsen> SerajewelKS: I wonder if my "etc/network.interfaces" is not corrupted. so I need to create a new one? or just have to remove old lines?
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• 45[00:13:53] <winsen> SerajewelKS: did you take a look to pastbon? is that correct? apart from eth0 that I need to verify.
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• 48[00:14:08] <winsen> *on pastbin...
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• 51[00:15:24] <Gerowen> Does Debian or other Linux systems support compressed NTFS partitions?
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• 55[00:17:57] <missmbob> Gerowen: yes. ntfs-3g supports it
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• 61[00:20:22] <format_c> winsen, you have to remove the \n in your file. They just represent a newline. Also purch the leading and trailing spaces.
• 62[00:20:42] <Gerowen> Was just curious, my laptop runs Windows 10 and I just picked up a 1 TB portable USB drive, but our home server runs Debian and wasn't sure if it would work if I wanted to connect the drive directly to the server. Thanks!
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• 64[00:21:23] <winsen> format_c: can you pastbin a new to me please?
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• 69[00:22:19] <winsen> format_c: is this correct: replaced-url
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• 72[00:22:25] <Connnor> Hi guys could anyone answer what I'm sure is an easy question
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• 75[00:22:56] <Connnor> So I'm in the recovery interactive shell on d
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• 77[00:23:20] <format_c> winsen, yes this looks reasonable
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• 79[00:24:22] <winsen> format_c: ok thanks so need to make static ip? do you think I can keep it even once I reinstall network manager and I can use either?
• 80[00:24:25] <Connnor> And I want to copy my home to my hard drive on sdb1 2 or 3
• 81[00:24:46] <winsen> *then I can use either?
• 82[00:25:34] <format_c> /etc/network/interfaces is AFAIK not involved if network manager takes over control. How to configure a static IP using the interfaces file is very simple:
• 83[00:25:36] <format_c> man interfaces
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• 94[00:28:28] <winsen> format_c: ok. So you confirm that I can use either without disabling each of them.
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• 100[00:29:24] <winsen> format_c: ...and I can configure IP later.
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• 102[00:29:38] <winsen> *static ip
• 103[00:29:51] <SquadGoals> hello. i have a question. if i have a custom kernel (that i built on top of debian btw) how do i make it so this custom kernel also gets debian's security updates and patches? i want to stay up to date with debian's security updates and patches
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• 105[00:29:59] <winsen> format_c: I 'll try now. brb
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• 107[00:30:07] <format_c> What's your intention with network Manager?
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• 109[00:30:33] <format_c> You can do nearly everything in both. the one is a text file the other is a GUI
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• 149[00:49:43] <v1s> sorry not sure if some one responded I just got dc
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• 158[00:51:23] <format_c> vls repeat your question
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• 161[00:52:28] <v1s> I have 2 wifi interfaces I had one working fine with hostapd then I wanted to install wicd to manage the other but not working any one know how to disable wicd from taken over both interfaces
• 162[00:52:31] <SquadGoals> v1s, yo
• 163[00:52:31] <SquadGoals> repeat
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• 165[00:52:37] <v1s> yes
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• 167[00:54:04] <v1s> i have wlan0 setup with hostapd
• 168[00:54:19] <v1s> and want to use wicd to manage wlan1
• 169[00:54:34] <v1s> but it seems to interfere with hostapd
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• 187[01:05:11] <climjark> hello all!
• 188[01:05:33] <jaimbo> Hi guys, I am having a problem a webserver running on a Debian VM. Basically whenever I open port 80 and point it to the webserver, the webserver suddenly starts making loads and loads of external DNS requests to random sites
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• 190[01:06:29] <format_c> jaimbo, which webserver? Config?
• 191[01:06:54] <jaimbo> Apache2, and sorry for a silly question, but what do you mean config?
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• 197[01:08:36] <jaimbo> At this point I pretty much only use it as a reverse proxy for pointing subdomains at various services running on other VM's
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• 201[01:10:52] <ghaberek> jambo: are you opening port 80 using NAT on your firewall? it sounds like you're being polled on port 80 and the server is trying to reverse DNS the incoming requests.
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• 205[01:12:26] <jaimbo> I'm just opening port 80 on my router and forwarding traffic to the local ip of the VM
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• 222[01:19:35] <ghaberek> Right, that's what I figured. I think you're getting requests from random IP address, like a botnet or something. I've experienced before myself.
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• 224[01:20:52] <ghaberek> Try changing the incoming port on the router to something else. I typically use 8000 or 8080. See if those outgoing DNS requests drop off after that.
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• 255[01:41:41] <fff> When will Wayland replace Xorg?
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• 326[02:30:25] <bazhang> as in a kernel module?
• 327[02:31:06] <jim> I'm not sure yet what form nftables takes... if it's anything like iptables, there are a bunch of modules
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• 329[02:31:49] <jim> also there exists the executable iptables... is that similar as well?
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• 333[02:33:48] <jim> (a bit of background... there was a package in debian (removed before jessie) called ipmasq... I grabbed the source, it was missing lsb tags, I added them, it's been working in jessie ever since... what I want to do is add nftables support to it)
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• 342[02:38:23] <jim> I dunno yet if it's feasable... I dunno how iptables and nftables differ... or whether there can be a 1-1 correspondence between rules that are generated by ipmasq for iptables, and rules for ipmasq that could be generated for nftables
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• 369[02:54:12] <yakamo> anyone know much about the linux tcp vunrability thats being talked about if its patch in debian?
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• 387[03:11:00] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
• 388[03:11:16] <TomTomTo1> you can check the status here.
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• 446[03:43:43] <kevin-leptons> hi everybody :)
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• 492[03:54:58] <jim> kevin-leptons, hi
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• 514[04:13:47] <_rubik> Hey guys, How do I find the ip I need for remote ssh access?
• 515[04:13:53] <_rubik> ** on my server
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• 518[04:15:05] <shyam-id-au> Is it possible to align the screen with software instead of the buttons on the monitor?
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• 521[04:15:48] <_rubik> shyam-id-au: ????
• 522[04:16:36] <lpodn> _rubik, ifconfig
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• 525[04:18:03] <shyam-id-au> _rubik: I was messing around with xrandr.
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• 527[04:18:12] <_rubik> lpodn: So I fun /sbin/ifconfig -a and I get the eth0 inet address. Connection refused. I'm also pretty sure this isnt the right address.
• 528[04:18:38] <_rubik> shyam-id-au: Wait so what do you want to do??
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• 531[04:19:17] <shyam-id-au> _rubik: I want to move the screen around with software instead of the buttons on my monitor.
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• 533[04:20:05] <_rubik> shyam-id-au: What do you mean by move? Your screen should show up on the monitor?
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• 535[04:20:38] <shyam-id-au> _rubik: Yes, but part of it is kicked off to the side.
• 536[04:20:55] <_rubik> shyam-id-au: Then you arnt using the correct resolution in arandr.
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• 540[04:22:53] <lpodn> _rubik, try this
• 541[04:22:56] <lpodn> myip="$(dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com)"
• 542[04:22:58] <_rubik> lpodn: Yeah it comes out as a 10.x.x.x number. Thats not correct
• 543[04:23:06] <lpodn> echo "My WAN/Public IP address: ${myip}"
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• 545[04:23:56] <shyam-id-au> _rubik: None of the available resolutions are high enough, and when I experiment with higher resolutions it kicks the screen to the side.
• 546[04:24:55] <_rubik> lpodn: Ok Ill try connecting with that. Is there an easier way to get that??
• 547[04:26:14] <_rubik> lpodn: Yeah It does what it always does. A blinking cursor on new line. Nothing more. Any ideas as to what this could be? (ssh user@that_ip)
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• 550[04:26:38] <_rubik> shyam-id-au: Im so lost. What res monitor are you using?
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• 552[04:29:07] <shyam-id-au> _rubik: IDK, it's 15.5x27.5 inches?
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• 554[04:29:47] <_rubik> shyam-id-au: That isn't terribly helpful. And the question you are asking doesn't make much sense. Why does this concern the buttons on your monitor?
• 555[04:30:57] <shyam-id-au> _rubik: I don't want to use the buttons on the monitor because I have a KVM switch hooked up to it, and would have to fiddle with them every time I switch between systems.
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• 557[04:31:54] <_rubik> shyam-id-au: You say none of the resolutions are high enough which I have a hard time believing unless youre on an ultra wide. Have you got the aspect ratio correct?
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• 562[04:35:03] <shyam-id-au> _rubik: Aspect ratio is good at 1440x900, but when I try to scale it to a higher resolution it causes problems. Xrandr says the max is 8192x8192 but I couldn't get it to work, and the highest available option 1600x1200 stretches things...
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• 564[04:36:08] <_rubik> shyam-id-au: I cannot help you in that case. Can anyone else?
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• 577[04:45:19] <shyam-id-au> Xrandr can adjust the screen brightness, so I just thought it would be possible to reposition as well...
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• 581[04:46:18] <Strykar> does 8.5 still use kernel 3.16.7?
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• 583[04:48:07] <shyam-id-au> Strykar: I only have 3.16.0-4-amd64
• 584[04:48:38] <Strykar> damn, why does my linode VM show 4.4.0
• 585[04:49:21] <missmbob> probably backports. backports is now up to 4.6
• 586[04:49:27] <missmbob> ,v linux-image-amd64
• 587[04:49:28] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; sid: 4.6+74; stretch: 4.6+74
• 588[04:51:12] <themill> btw, judd's "kernels" commands includes both the uname -r and package version of the kernel actually available which the metapackage does not.
• 589[04:52:56] <themill> historically, the kernel in testing and the metapackage in testing have often had completely different versions too, which was the original motivation for writing the kernels command.
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• 613[05:10:41] <catbeard> what's the package for 'zcat'
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• 619[05:13:58] <themill> catbeard: gzip; you should already have that installed.
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• 621[05:14:59] <catbeard> nvm, gzip is installed
• 622[05:15:18] <catbeard> but exigrep is trying to zcat with the wrong path
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• 624[05:15:34] <catbeard> Can't exec "/usr/bin/zcat": No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/exigrep line 229.
• 625[05:15:36] <catbeard> Unable to zcat mainlog.10.gz: No such file or directory
• 626[05:15:41] <catbeard> it's at /bin/zcat
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• 631[05:20:33] <themill> catbeard: which version of exigrep is this (exim4-base package)
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• 633[05:21:04] <themill> exigrep searches $PATH for the correct location (it uses `which zcat`)
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• 651[05:34:26] <Guest66019> Plese help me add the Taiwan repo replaced-url
• 652[05:35:15] <themill> you're missing "main" from the list of components
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• 654[05:36:15] <Guest66019> themill: replaced-url
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• 656[05:36:21] <themill> better
• 657[05:36:22] <Guest66019> IS this ^ correct
• 658[05:36:47] <themill> you're also missing "deb " at the beginning of the line
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• 660[05:37:08] <Guest66019> E: Type 'replaced-url
• 661[05:37:22] <Guest66019> themill: ^^
• 662[05:37:23] <themill> you're also missing "deb " at the beginning of the line
• 663[05:38:01] <themill> You should also remove the # at the beginning of line 6 (for security.debian.org)
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• 665[05:38:47] <jak2000> hi all
• 666[05:38:59] <Fr_Dae> guest
• 667[05:39:05] <Fr_Dae> what is you DE ?
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• 671[05:40:23] <Fr_Dae> Guest66019
• 672[05:40:45] <Guest66019> themill: replaced-url
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• 675[05:41:42] <jak2000> wich why: apt-get install visudo not intsall? E: Unable to locate package visudo
• 676[05:42:03] <Fr_Dae> jak2000 just pat
• 677[05:42:04] <Fr_Dae> apt
• 678[05:42:26] <Fr_Dae> replaced-url
• 679[05:42:29] <Fr_Dae> add this
• 680[05:42:49] <Fr_Dae> and apt update && apt install -f
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• 682[05:43:19] <themill> jak2000: visudo is in the sudo package
• 683[05:43:24] <Fr_Dae> apt update ; apt full-upgrade && apt autoremove
• 684[05:43:28] <Fr_Dae> for clean update
• 685[05:43:43] <themill> Guest66019: you've got a typo in "non-free" somewhere
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• 688[05:44:16] <Guest66019> Fr_Dae: Done ! Thanks
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• 690[05:44:25] <jak2000> apt update && apt full-upgrade && apt autoremove
• 691[05:44:26] <jak2000> ?
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• 693[05:45:07] <Fr_Dae> on debian 8 or Ubuntu 14.04 you don't have nessesary use apt-get, juste apt work fine =)
• 694[05:45:38] <themill> doesn't make much difference though
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• 696[05:46:40] <jak2000> apr-get install sudo ?
• 697[05:47:14] <themill> with fewer typos, yes.
• 698[05:47:22] <Fr_Dae> just apt install dude
• 699[05:47:33] <Fr_Dae> you have color and progress bar
• 700[05:48:31] <jak2000> ok
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• 702[05:51:08] <jak2000> then reprhasing: in a clean server: 1) change: replaced-url
• 703[05:51:12] <jak2000> righ? i am ok?
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• 707[05:53:06] <Fr_Dae> reprhasing ?
• 708[05:53:48] <Fr_Dae> i don't use sudoer on my debian, i use on user, and i install on root session
• 709[05:54:11] <Fr_Dae> i don't have see this is a server, i guess is just a Debian user
• 710[05:54:11] <jak2000> how to?
• 711[05:54:41] <Fr_Dae> root terminal (graphical) or TTF1
• 712[05:54:50] <Fr_Dae> or logons => login Root
• 713[05:54:53] <Fr_Dae> =)
• 714[05:55:04] <Fr_Dae> but i use more my Lubuntu desktop
• 715[05:55:39] <jak2000> i am on terminal
• 716[05:55:44] <jak2000> can you help me?
• 717[05:55:53] <jak2000> i want make user: jak same as root user
• 718[05:55:54] <jak2000> how to
• 719[05:56:03] <Fr_Dae> what exactly do you waht doing ?
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• 722[05:56:18] <jak2000> install a clean server
• 723[05:56:37] <Fr_Dae> i'm not sure it's safe, and i don't know nothing on server install sorry
• 724[05:56:38] <jak2000> 1) want create a user with root privileges
• 725[05:56:41] <jmcnaught> jak2000: do you mean that you want the jak user to be able to use sudo?
• 726[05:56:48] <jak2000> yes
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• 728[05:56:58] <jak2000> i know with visudo right?
• 729[05:56:58] <jmcnaught> jak2000: "adduser jak sudo"
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• 731[05:57:37] <jmcnaught> jak2000: the sudo group is already in /etc/sudoers, so if you add a user to the sudo group, they can use sudo. the user must log out and log in again
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• 734[05:57:59] <jim> jak2000, you already have one
• 735[05:58:10] <jak2000> ok. other thing
• 736[05:58:24] <jak2000> wich FREE dinamic client recommend me? noip?
• 737[05:58:52] <jim> client that does what exactly?
• 738[05:59:17] <Hi||ary> using nano here... trying to copy a line... what is "M-6"? I get that paste (^U) is ctrl+u, but what is "M-6"?
• 739[05:59:28] <jmcnaught> jak2000: there are clients packaged in Debian, search from them with apt-cache/aptitude search. Use a service that is supported by one of the packaged clients
• 740[05:59:29] <jak2000> in noip.com i create a FREE domain sample: jak.noip.me (in debian i can install a client for renew the ip)
• 741[06:00:12] <jmcnaught> Hi||ary: the M stands for meta, which is often Alt on PC keyboards
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• 746[06:02:47] <Hi||ary> jmcnaught, thanks. works on my debian system but not my openbsd system. shall inquire in #openbsd
• 747[06:02:59] <catbeard> themill: how would i do that
• 748[06:03:03] <catbeard> get the version
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• 752[06:04:08] <man_in_shack> anyone tried using vanilla jessie on a raspberry pi? :)
• 753[06:04:40] <jim> 2.4 families on theverage
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• 755[06:05:33] <dionysus69> how do disable default governor so I activate tlp?
• 756[06:06:03] <dionysus69> cpu freaquency shows very weird stuff, cpu is mostly over 2.6 ghz
• 757[06:06:04] <jim> man_in_shack, you'll want to ask specific and detailed questions that lead to you getting what you want
• 758[06:06:46] <man_in_shack> just reading the wiki page
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• 761[06:07:43] <man_in_shack> turns out my pi is v1, and vanilla deb won't work on it
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• 763[06:08:00] <jim> how do you know that?
• 764[06:08:44] <man_in_shack> because wiki says so :P
• 765[06:08:50] <stoned> I have Asahi Kasei Microsystems Co., Ltd AK5370 USB logitech microphone which work in pavucontrol and kmix/alsamixer, and when I talk I see the green bar going up and down. But chrome/chromium/firefox etc. have no access to the microphone it seems, mic doesn't work. Google chrome tells me that there is no mic or something
• 766[06:09:08] <man_in_shack> replaced-url
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• 770[06:10:32] <jim> ok, what doesn't work exactly?
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• 772[06:10:56] <stoned> mic works, but not in browsers.
• 773[06:11:39] <jmcnaught> stoned: other programs can use it?
• 774[06:11:53] <stoned> yes
• 775[06:11:57] <man_in_shack> he did just say it works in pavucontrol ...
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• 779[06:12:37] <jim> which presumably means it works in pulse audio
• 780[06:12:46] <jmcnaught> it is worth asking if other programs than pavucontrol can use it...
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• 782[06:14:00] <jim> howbout audacity, qtractor, ardour?
• 783[06:14:08] <stoned> Works in audacity
• 784[06:14:32] <jmcnaught> okay. have you tried restarting the browsers while the mic is plugged in?
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• 786[06:15:46] <stoned> hang on
• 787[06:15:48] <stoned> I foudn something
• 788[06:16:04] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 790[06:16:07] <stoned> This setting
• 791[06:16:19] <stoned> It was on default, I selected the usb mic. lets see
• 792[06:16:21] <AheadOfHisLinux> lol hi murfjr
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• 794[06:17:36] <jmcnaught> stoned: looks like chromium settings. For me in Firefox when I go to a page that requests the microphone the browser prompts me and I can select which mic is used. noscript and similar add-ons can interfere with this
• 795[06:21:09] <jak2000> why cant install anything ? replaced-url
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• 798[06:22:59] <jim> jak2000, try apt update
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• 800[06:23:59] <jak2000> :(
• 801[06:24:00] <jak2000> replaced-url
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• 805[06:25:14] <jim> ls -ld /tmp
• 806[06:25:50] <jak2000> drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 Aug 12 00:06 /tmp
• 807[06:26:02] <jim> that looks fine
• 808[06:26:56] <jak2000> yes
• 809[06:26:59] <jak2000> restart the server?
• 810[06:27:11] <jmcnaught> jak2000: can you do "ls -l" on the files it complains about in lines 5 and 7 of replaced-url
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• 813[06:27:58] <jak2000> -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 May 19 2015 /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
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• 816[06:28:23] <jak2000> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 148217 Jun 4 09:26 /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.tw.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_Release
• 817[06:28:39] <jak2000> -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 Aug 18 2015 /var/lib/dpkg/lock
• 818[06:30:25] <jim> cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 822[06:32:34] <jmcnaught> jak2000: okay the permissions look normal.
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• 824[06:34:07] <jak2000> then why cant instal :(
• 825[06:34:14] <jim> maybe you don't have nc installed?
• 826[06:34:37] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 827[06:35:18] <jim> ok, so you do :)
• 828[06:36:31] <jim> those two cdroms, do you still need em?
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• 830[06:37:06] <jim> you have two cdrom drives?
• 831[06:37:15] <jak2000> not
• 832[06:37:21] <jak2000> its a vps server
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• 835[06:37:54] <jmcnaught> jak2000: is the hostname actually localhost?
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• 837[06:38:46] <jim> the vg is named localhost-vg
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• 839[06:39:22] <jak2000> yes localhost
• 840[06:39:27] <jak2000> i want change to swItsol2
• 841[06:39:52] <jim> (you asked about rebooting before, I don't think rebooting will fix this)
• 842[06:40:10] <jmcnaught> jak2000: replaced-url
• 843[06:40:54] <jim> curious about: df /
• 844[06:41:44] <jmcnaught> jak2000: you can delete the /var/lib/apt/lists directory and then "mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ; apt-get update"
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• 847[06:42:28] <jak2000> jim: replaced-url
• 848[06:43:44] <jim> so you have about 10g on /, and maybe 15% is used...
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• 850[06:43:51] <jim> not bad
• 851[06:43:58] <k_sze[work]> What's the default working directory of init.d services?
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• 854[06:44:26] <jim> I would think that would vary
• 855[06:44:38] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 856[06:44:40] <jak2000> :(
• 857[06:45:26] <jmcnaught> k_sze[work]: /
• 858[06:45:42] <jim> try: touch /root/hello
• 859[06:45:56] <k_sze[work]> jmcnaught: thanks
• 860[06:46:07] <jmcnaught> k_sze[work]: you can also set WorkingDirectory= to whatever you want with systemd. see systemd.exec(5)
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• 865[06:49:00] <perepujal> jak2000: what about mount?
• 866[06:49:03] <jak2000> jim, jmcnaught?
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• 870[06:50:53] <jim> jak2000, (about this termbin thing... [[pastebin
• 871[06:50:57] <jim> oops
• 872[06:51:02] <jim> jak2000, (about this termbin thing... you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999"
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• 874[06:51:55] <jim> can you do... mount | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 878[06:53:43] <jim> jmcnaught, as you must have guessed too, the root fsck must have produced an error, so it remounted ro
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• 881[06:54:56] <jak2000> replaced-url
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• 883[06:56:10] <jak2000> restarted and test again
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• 888[06:57:28] <jim> is this normal... tmpfs on /sys/fs/cgroup type tmpfs (ro,nosuid,nodev,noexec,mode=755)
• 889[06:58:13] <jak2000> wich is the package of utils? see: make: gcc: Command not found
• 890[06:58:36] <jim> that would be build-essential
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• 895[07:00:12] <jak2000> thanks
• 896[07:00:14] <jim> that looks like the only ro
• 897[07:01:11] <jim> welcome... is build-essential installing? were you able to "update"?
• 898[07:01:38] <jmcnaught> jim: the cgroup mount is normal
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• 902[07:02:57] <jim> I can't see anything wrong with the mount and don't know where those "read only filesystem" messages were coming from
• 903[07:03:02] <Xin> I switched from ubuntu to debian last night
• 904[07:03:06] <Xin> and ive never been happier
• 905[07:03:49] <jak2000> i am updating now
• 906[07:03:50] <jak2000> thanks
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• 908[07:04:33] <jim> hmmm... I couldn't find anything wrong... so rebooting did do it?
• 909[07:04:44] <jak2000> yes
• 910[07:05:24] <jim> were you in the live cd or something like tha?
• 911[07:05:45] <jak2000> not
• 912[07:05:48] <jak2000> its a vps
• 913[07:05:54] <jak2000> on cloudatcost.com
• 914[07:06:05] <jim> how does it get installed?
• 915[07:06:22] <jak2000> i only choose debian image
• 916[07:07:14] <jmcnaught> jak2000: some of those VPS provided debian images are modified in various ways from a standard Debian install
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• 918[07:07:21] <jim> which it then wrote onto your 10 gigs... and you just had to reboot it... hmmm
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• 924[07:09:10] <jim> jak2000, you just today got this thing?
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• 933[07:13:22] <jak2000> yes
• 934[07:13:31] <jak2000> i am continue working thanks
• 935[07:13:31] <jak2000> friends
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• 942[07:16:01] <jak2000> only edit /etc/hostname right?
• 943[07:16:03] <jim> jak2000, you may wish to take a backup at some point
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• 947[07:18:17] <jak2000> ok
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• 950[07:20:44] <jak2000> why the error on line 2: replaced-url
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• 953[07:24:43] <SebastianRasor01> What's the easiest way to get rid of all of the unneeded applications in a new installation of Debian with Gnome?
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• 958[07:28:42] <perepujal> jak2000: do you just edited /etc/hostname? you may want to call "hostname yourchoosedname" until next reboot
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• 961[07:30:18] <rozie> jak2000: /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts - these are files you need to edit
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• 967[07:33:47] <lovelypink> replaced-url
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• 979[07:38:24] <SebastianRasor01> Anyone? It seems so simple.
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• 985[07:39:36] <jak2000> how to know wich version of jessie i have?
• 986[07:39:41] <jak2000> 10.1
• 987[07:39:43] <jak2000> 10.2 ?
• 988[07:40:26] <SlazO> cat /etc/debian_version
• 989[07:40:29] <SlazO> I guess..
• 990[07:40:47] <SlazO> or lsb-release
• 991[07:41:03] <jak2000> thanks
• 992[07:41:05] <jak2000> 8.5 ?
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• 994[07:41:12] <SlazO> correct :)
• 995[07:41:20] <jak2000> its debian 8
• 996[07:41:23] <jak2000> but wich release?
• 997[07:41:38] <SlazO> yeah, 8.5 is the latest point release
• 998[07:41:46] <nkuttler> !8.5
• 999[07:41:46] <dpkg> Debian 8.5 was released on June 4, 2016. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at replaced-url
• 1000[07:41:49] <jak2000> and release?
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• 1002[07:42:12] <SlazO> I don't know what do you mean..architecture?
• 1003[07:42:19] <SlazO> 8.5 is the latest point release
• 1004[07:42:36] <jak2000> ok and the version?
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• 1006[07:42:53] <nkuttler> version of what
• 1007[07:42:59] <SlazO> I don't get it..
• 1008[07:43:24] <SlazO> try hostnamectl, it gives you more detailed info or install lsb-release and run lsb_release -da
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• 1010[07:44:50] <jak2000> SlazO: replaced-url
• 1011[07:44:57] <jak2000> see ask me for a version of debian?
• 1012[07:45:15] <nkuttler> jak2000: why would you not use the packaged db?
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• 1014[07:46:30] <jak2000> nkuttler how to
• 1015[07:46:36] <jak2000> tech me please
• 1016[07:46:50] <nkuttler> !tell jak2000 about debian-handbook
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• 1019[07:48:05] <SlazO> apt-get install mariadb or something like that. You can search for mariadb packages by apt-cache search mariadb
• 1020[07:48:28] <SlazO> but mariadb has repositories for its packages.
• 1021[07:48:54] <jmcnaught> jak2000: replaced-url
• 1022[07:49:18] <SlazO> I think you are confused..cuz 10.1, 10.2 and 10.0 are the version of mariadb..not debian
• 1023[07:49:35] <jak2000> E: Unable to locate package mariadb
• 1024[07:49:52] <SlazO> search for it by apt-cache
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• 1026[07:50:43] <SlazO> maybe it is mariadb-server or somethin like that. I'm not on debian now
• 1027[07:50:45] <SlazO> replaced-url
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• 1029[07:51:07] <jak2000> :) sudo apt install mariadb-server
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• 1094[08:29:40] <Geom`> hi.. i made a script to rsync and used inotify to auto run the said script. how/where can i see the message (the echo command) when it runs?
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• 1100[08:34:58] <Strykar> Geom`, don't use echo in scripts that are auto run, use tee and log to a file
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• 1103[08:36:18] <Geom`> Strykar: ah ok.. i thought i can it in my monitor when it triggers
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• 1110[08:40:52] <Strykar> Geom`, in some twisted way you could but that's what tee was made for
• 1111[08:42:04] <babilen> (you could then tail -f that file)
• 1112[08:43:43] <BenNZ> Geom`: you could use notify-send , depending on what you need to do of course
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• 1121[08:50:39] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1129[08:56:14] <SlazO> hi
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• 1190[09:32:31] <Bish> hi, how do i get current ruby on debian ( please don't rvm, and similiar )
• 1191[09:33:18] <babilen> current as in?
• 1192[09:33:23] <babilen> "apt-get install ruby"
• 1193[09:33:25] <Bish> as in stable
• 1194[09:33:31] <Bish> debian doesn't give me stable
• 1195[09:33:39] <babilen> Oh, Debian stable is very stable
• 1196[09:33:41] <Bish> well it does give me "debian stable", but not ruby-stable
• 1197[09:33:45] <babilen> (as in 'versions don't change')
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• 1199[09:34:04] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, install the package. if its to outdated for you and you are on jessie pull it from testing or unstable. if thats still to outdated build ruby yourself
• 1200[09:34:22] <Bish> Lowl3v3l: okay, how do i install unstable?
• 1201[09:34:27] <babilen> No, don't pull in packages from testing or unstable into stable
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• 1203[09:34:34] <babilen> Really don't
• 1204[09:34:36] <Lowl3v3l> babilen, why not?
• 1205[09:34:36] <Bish> (and how can i see which version is unstable)
• 1206[09:34:42] <babilen> judd: v ruby
• 1207[09:34:43] <judd> Package: ruby on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.5; wheezy: 1:1.9.3; jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.3.0+4; sid: 1:2.3.0+4
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• 1209[09:35:12] <babilen> Lowl3v3l: Because it breaks the system and will cause Bish all sort of pain
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• 1211[09:35:12] <Bish> judd: ? what is that supposed to mean?
• 1212[09:35:26] <Bish> babilen: im gentoo user, breaking systems is my life
• 1213[09:35:45] <Bish> my desktop system is nearly 100% testing, im loving it
• 1214[09:35:53] <Lowl3v3l> babilen, well i never experienced problems with this^^
• 1215[09:36:05] <Bish> now pls :D tell me how to get a unstable/testing version of ruby
• 1216[09:36:06] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, then have you thought about just switching branches?^^
• 1217[09:36:12] <babilen> It is a much better idea to track a testing/unstable mix (/msg dpkg tum) or unstable directly. Another option would be to just develop against the packaged version, use a local/self-managed installation in /usr/local or to use a distribution that packages 2.3.* in a released version
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• 1220[09:36:23] <Bish> Lowl3v3l: in this case, i only need ruby ( and maybe mysql )
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• 1222[09:36:41] <Bish> it's a customer server, so i don't want to experiment, but i have no clue how to do it in debian
• 1223[09:36:48] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, mysql might be a bit problematic, dunno how much dependencies it pulls.
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• 1225[09:36:57] <babilen> Bish: Those are the versions of the "ruby" packages in Debian (judd is a bot)
• 1226[09:36:58] <Bish> :( well i can live with olde mysql
• 1227[09:37:04] <Bish> but not with older ruby
• 1228[09:37:07] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, and if you dont want to experiment... dont. Then just build ruby yourself and be happy.
• 1229[09:37:09] <babilen> judd: v mysql
• 1230[09:37:10] <judd> No package named 'mysql' was found in amd64.
• 1231[09:37:14] <babilen> judd: v mysql-server
• 1232[09:37:15] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.5.47-0+deb6u1; wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.49-0+deb8u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.50-0+deb7u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.5.50-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.50-0+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 5.6.30-1~bpo8+1; sid: 5.6.30-1; stretch:
• 1233[09:37:16] <judd> 5.6.30-1; experimental: 5.7.13-1~exp1
• 1234[09:37:26] <jelly> Bish, then the answer is simple -- use ruby 2.1 from the distro, any other components will the much harder to manage
• 1235[09:37:26] <babilen> You can grab 5.6 from jessie-backports
• 1236[09:37:28] <Bish> Lowl3v3l: but isn't that kinda bypassing package management?
• 1237[09:37:55] <Bish> jelly,babilen: i already decided i will use a newer version, help me doing it, or not
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• 1239[09:37:59] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, you mean like throwing in packages from another branch is? yeah;)
• 1240[09:38:01] <willemb> Hi guys. This might be ancient history for a lot of you, but can anyone remember the issue with intel e1000e on 82574l chipsets 'causing network blipping'?
• 1241[09:38:10] <Bish> Lowl3v3l: now, this one was about "compiling it"
• 1242[09:38:17] <willemb> as described here: replaced-url
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• 1244[09:38:30] <jelly> Bish, build from source, then. Using packages from a newer debian will make a bigger mess
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• 1246[09:38:52] <Bish> jelly: okay, will do
• 1247[09:39:00] <Bish> still that sounds messy :(
• 1248[09:39:03] <babilen> Bish: I *did* help you and listed appropriate options. If this is a system that is meant to be used in production then tracking testing or unstable is obviously not an option
• 1249[09:39:13] <jelly> Bish, yeah, but that's your choice
• 1250[09:39:21] <Bish> yeah well, debian is not my choice
• 1251[09:39:24] <willemb> The resolution described on the site is all good and well if you have the issue on a couple of machines, but we have dozens, if not hundreds
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• 1253[09:39:29] <babilen> You can use a supported and tested version and simply develop against that
• 1254[09:39:37] <Lowl3v3l> babilen, i completely agree for production environments
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• 1259[09:40:13] <babilen> Bish: I also mentioned that you might want to use a different distribution if using ruby 2.3 from official repositories is your primary goal
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• 1262[09:42:21] <Geom`> thanks Strykar, all works now :)
• 1263[09:42:47] <Strykar> yw
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• 1265[09:43:07] <Bish> babilen: customer server, as i said
• 1266[09:43:47] <babilen> Bish: Then talk to your customer and tell them that the platform they chose comes with ruby 2.1
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• 1268[09:44:09] <babilen> We can't change reality .. that's the way it is.
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• 1280[09:46:36] <Bish> THINGS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME
• 1281[09:46:51] <Bish> debian is the way it is~~
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• 1285[09:48:59] <Bish> cannot understand how people can deal with this, but maybe it's me not accepting industry standards which have their reasons
• 1286[09:49:10] <Bish> but i couldn't live with 1version, eat it or die
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• 1288[09:50:27] <Johann> Bish: yes its a huge problem, thats why tool like rvm and co exist
• 1289[09:50:27] <Bish> once wpa_supplicant couldn't connect to a certain network, i found that the bug was in that specific version, and tried desperately to change it
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• 1291[09:50:36] <Bish> i'd rather die
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• 1294[09:51:09] <Bish> Johann: yeah, well, i used rvm last time i did this thing
• 1295[09:51:13] <Johann> but the problem here is more with ruby
• 1296[09:51:14] <Bish> it was a pain in the ass, too
• 1297[09:51:24] <Bish> how is that a ruby problem, not on earth
• 1298[09:51:29] <babilen> dpkg: stable
• 1299[09:51:29] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.5); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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• 1301[09:51:40] <SebastianRasor01> What's the easiest way to get rid of all of the unneeded applications in a new installation of Debian with Gnome?
• 1302[09:51:50] <babilen> Bish: That ^ is stable. If you don't want that then don't use a stable Debian release.
• 1303[09:52:05] <Bish> babilen: customer server
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• 1305[09:52:38] <babilen> Bish: You mentioned that before. It still doesn't change reality. I sincerely wonder what you are expecting us to do
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• 1310[09:53:14] <bittin> replaced-url
• 1311[09:53:20] <Johann> Bish: there ar eno such problem with perl because perl dev take a long time making sure perl is retrocompatible allowing for more maintenable packages
• 1312[09:53:26] <babilen> bittin: No spam please
• 1313[09:53:41] <bittin> babilen: sorry just a tip did not mean to spam
• 1314[09:53:42] <Johann> ruby on the other hand breaks all every version
• 1315[09:53:54] <babilen> bittin: Might want to share that in #debian-offtopic
• 1316[09:53:57] <Lowl3v3l> SebastianRasor01, doing a plain install and dont installing the gnome metapackages butonly the stuff you want/need
• 1317[09:54:03] <Johann> i love ruby but its a hell to maintain even a simple program so that it would work with many versions on many distros
• 1318[09:54:05] <bittin> babilen: alright
• 1319[09:54:22] <Johann> you have to rely on tools like rvm on every distribution
• 1320[09:54:29] <SebastianRasor01> Lowl3v3l, How do I do that? I'm new to the whole linux thing.
• 1321[09:55:10] <SebastianRasor01> Would I just complete the installation without checking gnome?
• 1322[09:55:41] <Lowl3v3l> SebastianRasor01, oh okay. then you might want to take a look at the wiki entries for apt first and start removing uncessary packages one by one, because i dont suppose you ar well versed enough in the terminal to do a minimal install^^
• 1323[09:56:02] <Johann> yes, you can choose an other window manager or choose to use no window manager at all
• 1324[09:56:04] <jelly> SebastianRasor01, yes, make sure no desktop environment is selected on the task selector page in the installer
• 1325[09:56:28] <Lowl3v3l> SebastianRasor01, this would be the faster way, yes. then you land in a text-mode environment ( if you dont install an other DE) and then install the packages that you want need instead of the "all in one"-metapackage
• 1326[09:56:40] <SebastianRasor01> Alright, and alright
• 1327[09:56:40] <Bish> babilen: i just want to get my hate heard
• 1328[09:56:49] <SebastianRasor01> So that would just be gnome-core, right?
• 1329[09:56:55] <SebastianRasor01> Or is more stuff needed?
• 1330[09:57:23] <Bish> wow, i never installed ruby as easy as compiling it
• 1331[09:57:26] <Bish> LFS > debian
• 1332[09:57:31] <babilen> Bish: There is no point .. This is a technical support channel. Take it elsewhere if you want to rant or just work constructively on solutions. What you want can't be done and there is nothing we can do to change that.
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• 1336[09:58:00] <Lowl3v3l> SebastianRasor01, i do not know what you need and i am not a gnome user myself. i'd assume you at least want the gnome terminal and stuff so try reading on it beforehand ;)
• 1337[09:58:27] <SebastianRasor01> Alright, im running a comletely fresh install atm so I dont have much to lose
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• 1339[09:58:50] <Bish> babilen: well i feel better, that is a point for me
• 1340[09:59:06] <SebastianRasor01> I have all the files I need on my flash drive
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• 1347[10:03:15] <dionysus69> debian testing is awesome!
• 1348[10:03:39] <hiram> unstable too
• 1349[10:03:44] <dionysus69> nope its not
• 1350[10:03:45] <hiram> :)
• 1351[10:03:57] <dionysus69> everything works fine so far ^.^
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• 1353[10:04:03] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1354[10:04:03] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1355[10:04:16] <hiram> yeah, it will soon be broken, that's the idea
• 1356[10:04:32] <dionysus69> ok ok lets see
• 1357[10:04:48] <hiram> my kde is not good, i'd say
• 1358[10:04:53] <hiram> it's flickering
• 1359[10:05:04] <hiram> tried to find bug reports on this, but only very old on the same bug
• 1360[10:05:28] <hiram> that kinda decreases my hope
• 1361[10:05:33] <hiram> but that's ok
• 1362[10:05:41] <hiram> sid is a bad boy
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• 1366[10:06:44] <hiram> thank you
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• 1371[10:08:51] <Bish> have i been kicked :o, can't see it in console
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• 1377[10:09:31] <willemb> How can I get a working version of the e1000 driver for 82574L chipsets from a package. I can't manually compile it on each machine on my network?
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• 1416[10:32:42] <Barbo> labas
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• 1418[10:32:50] <hiram> is there someone who could provide an invite to #debian-next?
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• 1420[10:34:03] <babilen> hiram: You don't need one. The channel is on irc.oftc.net however and not here on freenode
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• 1422[10:34:43] <hiram> ah yeah, didn't read it -.-
• 1423[10:34:49] <hiram> thanks
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• 1456[10:54:11] <Bish> is it easy to switch debian versions, or will i have to install configure a new image?
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• 1458[10:54:38] <dionysus69> i would advise reinstall
• 1459[10:54:47] <Bish> bleh
• 1460[10:54:51] <SlazO> u mean upgrading?
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• 1462[10:55:25] <Bish> yes
• 1463[10:55:30] <babilen> Bish: Switching between which versions?
• 1464[10:55:35] <babilen> You can't downgrade
• 1465[10:55:43] <SlazO> you don't have to reinstall
• 1466[10:55:44] <Bish> definetely want upgrade.
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• 1468[10:56:05] <Bish> im on 8.5, is that old?
• 1469[10:56:08] <babilen> The upgrade process is documented in the release notes of the respective release and typically rather painless
• 1470[10:56:20] <SlazO> no, 8.5 is the latest release
• 1471[10:56:24] <babilen> 8.5 is the latest stable release
• 1472[10:56:24] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, 8.5 is the actual jessie atm.
• 1473[10:56:45] <Bish> WHAT DATE IS IT? jk.
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• 1475[10:56:51] <babilen> ...
• 1476[10:56:57] <Bish> hm.. is it easy to get to something unstable?
• 1477[10:57:14] <Bish> well, i tried to live with mysql 5.5, but i can't, i need a way to upgrade
• 1478[10:57:19] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1479[10:57:35] <SlazO> you can switch to unstable or testing if u want to
• 1480[10:57:35] <babilen> Bish: You can grab 5.6 from jessie-backports
• 1481[10:57:43] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, you do NOT want to run sid on a production system. MAYBE stretch/testing but NOT sid.
• 1482[10:57:49] <dionysus69> you should read this Bish replaced-url
• 1483[10:57:55] <babilen> testing is also a bad idea
• 1484[10:58:04] <rozie> hi. I'm looking on replaced-url
• 1485[10:58:21] <babilen> Bish: Just use Ubuntu xenial and be done with it
• 1486[10:58:21] <SlazO> man, it's funny that I read bi*ch instead of Bish. Dammit
• 1487[10:58:23] <rozie> there's mention, that If you?ve curl 7.34.0 or later, you can test whether HTTP/2 is working by running:
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• 1489[10:58:41] <rozie> I have curl 7.38.0 from Jessie
• 1490[10:58:48] <rozie> when I try to run the command I get
• 1491[10:59:07] <Bish> babilen: customer server
• 1492[10:59:08] <rozie> curl -k -v --http2 replaced-url
• 1493[10:59:10] <rozie> curl: (1) Unsupported protocol
• 1494[10:59:32] <Bish> Lowl3v3l: why?
• 1495[10:59:40] <rozie> so curl in Jessie is built without http/2 support?
• 1496[10:59:43] <babilen> Bish: You keep repeating that. Then *speak* to your customer about their system. Tracking testing or unstable is not an option.
• 1497[11:00:22] <babilen> I mean .. sure .. you can do it, but the boxes won't be stable and will require constant work
• 1498[11:00:25] <Bish> babilen: you keep repeating saying things that imply to change the system, but i am on debian, and i am in a debian support channel as you pointed out
• 1499[11:00:41] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, because neither sid nor testing are made to run production systems, might get broken, are not guaranteed to be api and abi compatible and lots of other reasons.
• 1500[11:01:10] <Bish> SlazO: it's actually comming from "bash", i initially joined irc because i had a bash scripting problem
• 1501[11:01:14] <Bish> maybe that helps
• 1502[11:01:23] <babilen> Bish: Your primary requirement seems to be that you need Ruby 2.3 and MySQL 5.6. The latter can be achieved on jessie, but the former can not. My recommendation is to use Ubuntu xenial which comes with these versions in a supported release.
• 1503[11:01:26] <Bish> Lowl3v3l: well, no risk no fun?
• 1504[11:01:52] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, you keep bragging about customers and production systems. what is wrong with you? or are you trolling?
• 1505[11:02:11] <babilen> "no risk, no fun" is not an approach you typically want to take when dealing with production servers. In particular if you run them for someone else.
• 1506[11:02:24] <babilen> Anyway, there is nothing to add.
• 1507[11:03:08] <Bish> Lowl3v3l: why would i brag, i am a small light, babilen just keeps telling me things to do to the server, which i am not willing
• 1508[11:04:08] <Bish> no i am not trolling, but i feel like being on mysql 5.5 is like a time machine, and having a "stable" like that has more disadvantages then advantages, i really don't want to start flamewars, but you keep asking me these questions
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• 1511[11:04:14] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, then do the one responsible thing : go to your customers and tell them debian stable AND ruby 2.3 together is impossible in in any maintainable manner-
• 1512[11:04:16] <Bish> can i get mysql 5.6 on jessie, if yes, how?
• 1513[11:04:18] <babilen> You either change your requirements or pick a platform that satisfies those requirements
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• 1515[11:04:55] <babilen> Bish: Check the backlog for things I've said about MySQL.
• 1516[11:05:08] <Bish> i already compiled ruby from source, i am happy with that, mysql is remaining
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• 1518[11:05:14] <Bish> babilen: you said it's possible, yes, but not how
• 1519[11:05:23] <babilen> I did elaborate on that about an hour ago
• 1520[11:05:29] <babilen> Just pull it from backports
• 1521[11:05:38] <Bish> well, i got kicked, so i don't have a log :3
• 1522[11:05:47] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, which is NOT a maintainable manner, as is clearly pointed out by one article you were linked to.
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• 1524[11:06:00] <Bish> well, what can go wrong?
• 1525[11:06:16] <Bish> mysql 5.6 is mysql wherever it runs, or not?
• 1526[11:06:39] <babilen> I guess that Lowl3v3l was referring to your manual ruby installation
• 1527[11:06:49] <Lowl3v3l> babilen, yes
• 1528[11:07:09] <fozniku> Bish: replaced-url
• 1529[11:07:15] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, simple : you end up with wasting the time and resources of your customers because you build an unmaintainable mess that is likely to break.
• 1530[11:07:18] <babilen> Lowl3v3l mentioned " go to your customers and tell them debian stable AND ruby 2.3 together is impossible in in any maintainable manner-" before, in case you missed that, Bish
• 1531[11:07:31] <babilen> fozniku: NO
• 1532[11:07:54] <Bish> yes yes, but i already had customers.. and i always done it .. it never broke
• 1533[11:08:00] <Bish> atleast not because of versions
• 1534[11:08:07] <Bish> just the debian server is new
• 1535[11:08:33] <Bish> testing is worse than unstable, right?
• 1536[11:08:35] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, oh yeah "nothing happened until now..." is a great way of thinking.
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• 1538[11:08:54] <Lowl3v3l> god. people i am giving up. i am officially capitulating.
• 1539[11:08:57] <babilen> I suggest we move on as it seems obvious that we won't agree on this and that Bish will go ahead and build a system we would consider to be unmaintainable and insecure.
• 1540[11:09:06] <Bish> i am sorry to cause you so much pain
• 1541[11:09:18] <Lowl3v3l> babilen, sounds like a great plan
• 1542[11:09:44] <Bish> i hope you will get your sleep tonight, knowing that people like me exist :D
• 1543[11:10:28] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, oh i already know people doing insanely idiot things run nearly all of our IT.
• 1544[11:11:18] * Bish can't see how actually using "new" software breaks things
• 1545[11:12:03] <Bish> ruby and mysql, which are my 2 requirements, call their software stable way above what this distribution does
• 1546[11:12:35] <babilen> "stable" in the context of Debian simply means "not changing"
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• 1550[11:12:51] <babilen> It has nothing to do with "working" or "secure"
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• 1552[11:13:09] <babilen> If that is not what you want then Debian stable is not what you want
• 1553[11:13:16] <babilen> It's as easy as that
• 1554[11:13:17] <Bish> yeah i get that.. but unmaintainable is an expression that is harder than that
• 1555[11:13:37] <Rubas> Hello, I would like to know which approaches you take to backup a webserver based on Debian 8 - backupping users, databases and etc.
• 1556[11:14:12] <Rubas> I know this is not a simpel question, and I am not looking for the silver-bullet
• 1557[11:14:49] <Lowl3v3l> Bish, "will break either scripts or system at the next stable update" is what i would call unmaintainable, sry ;)
• 1558[11:14:51] <babilen> Rubas: There are various approaches to backups and it depends on your requirements. You might want to look into tools such as dirvish, backuppc, bacula, ...
• 1559[11:15:02] <Rubas> babilen: thank you!
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• 1562[11:16:31] <babilen> Rubas: borg backup might also be of interest
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• 1565[11:17:05] <babilen> Rubas: Then there are various options you have with filesystem/disk snapshots (in particular if you are running VMs)
• 1566[11:17:47] <Rubas> babilen: The backups are mostly on a VPS, in case the VPS dies (or gets hacked), it should be possible to recover it with a old backup without much hazzle
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• 1568[11:18:06] <Rubas> babilen: The backup file will of course be on a remote server
• 1569[11:18:06] <babilen> Sure, that's the typicaly scenario :)
• 1570[11:18:29] <Rubas> babilen: thank you :) I will look into borg, dirvish and backuppc and bacula
• 1571[11:18:41] <Rubas> One more question, will this also recover mysql-dbs and settings?
• 1572[11:19:00] <babilen> Rubas: They are tools that stand for a larger class of backup tools
• 1573[11:19:33] <babilen> Rubas: You could look into using innobackupex for MySQL and then creating backups of those backups (i.e. copying the files away after applying logs)
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• 1575[11:20:07] <babilen> It's in percona-xtrabackup
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• 1591[11:27:01] <JustinHitla> on that page: replaced-url
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• 1593[11:27:44] <jelly> JustinHitla, you got cut at > if it was build using closed source software its n[...]
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• 1597[11:28:17] <aimless> hi all, I would like to compile opencv 2.4.13 for arm on my debian stretch. When I enter the cmake command I get the message that arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++-4.6 coudn't be found, same for gcc. On the system, gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf vers. 4:6.1.1-1 is installed.
• 1598[11:29:13] <aimless> why do I still get that error msg? Is the package not of the right version?
• 1599[11:29:41] <Lowl3v3l> aimless, have you installed the g++ for your prefix? looks like you have the c, but not the c++, compiler
• 1600[11:30:11] <aimless> Lowl3v3l, yes c++ is also installed.
• 1601[11:30:35] <jelly> ,v libopencv-dev --arch armhf
• 1602[11:30:36] <judd> Package: libopencv-dev on armhf -- wheezy: 2.3.1-11+deb7u1; jessie: 2.4.9.1+dfsg-1+deb8u1; sid: 2.4.9.1+dfsg-2; stretch: 2.4.9.1+dfsg-2; experimental: 3.0.0+dfsg-1~exp7
• 1603[11:30:59] <Bish> can somebody tell me how i can completely reconfigure mysql?
• 1604[11:31:01] <aimless> I've also tried to install g++-4.6-arm-linux-gnueabihf but that package seems to be a very old one and hence, can't be installed.
• 1605[11:31:06] <Bish> like what dpkg does, or whatever?
• 1606[11:31:09] <Khudher> Hello, I have suspension problems (sometimes) usually when i use my computer for a long time ( maybe because of some software), my RAM is 12GB and my swap is 17GB, but the dmesg log tells that it can't find the hibernation image although i suspended to ram not to disk I have already installed the appropriate drivers for display and also, when i reboot laptop and try to suspend, it works, but after hours of using it, it doesnt
• 1607[11:31:20] <jelly> aimless, I'd start with: apt-get build-dep opencv
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• 1613[11:34:51] <aimless> jelly, oh my dear, 484MB of archives need to be downloaded...
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• 1616[11:35:19] <Bish> when i installed mysql, debian showed my a shiny configuration dialog, if i reinstall it doesn't come anymore, what dO!?
• 1617[11:35:36] <SynrG> dpkg-reconfigure
• 1618[11:35:41] <SynrG> also, removing is not purging
• 1619[11:35:50] <Bish> SynrG: i did that AND, it does something but not show the dialog
• 1620[11:36:07] <Bish> so i want purging?
• 1621[11:36:25] <SynrG> probably didn't reconfigure the package that actually owns those configs
• 1622[11:36:49] <JustinHitla> aimless: "oh my dear, 484MB of archives", what ? slow dial-up ?
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• 1624[11:37:01] <Bish> woo~ i actually like that
• 1625[11:37:50] <SynrG> well, you could look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql*.templates
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• 1627[11:38:07] <SynrG> that would tell you which package is the one with the questions that you want reasked
• 1628[11:38:14] <SynrG> and use dpkg-reconfigure on that
• 1629[11:38:28] <SynrG> (the package name you discover, i mean ... obviously not the filename)
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• 1631[11:39:57] <aimless> JustinHitla, no, I was just a bit confused, that such a big archive has to be installed additionally.
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• 1637[11:42:42] <aimless> actually I thought that you can just download the opencv package, insall the compiler, perhaps still additionally arm packages and that's it... Afterwards you would be able to compile opencv for arm.
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• 1640[11:44:42] <jelly> aimless, that's exactly what build-dep pulls in, the compiler and all the extra headers and libraries needed to build opencv the way debian builds it
• 1641[11:44:46] <jelly> !build-dep
• 1642[11:44:47] <dpkg> build-deps are the packages you need to compile a package. "aptitude build-dep package-you-want-to-build" will install them, or use mk-build-deps (equivs package) to have undo-able build-dep installation. If using <uupdate> or <ssb> to update a package, you will likely need additional -dev packages. You can «/msg judd builddeps package».
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• 1644[11:45:07] <jelly> dpkg, tell aimless about package rebuild
• 1645[11:45:11] <jelly> dpkg, tell aimless about uupdate
• 1646[11:45:43] <aimless> jelly, well I downloaed the archives but I've still the same issue. arm-linux-gnueabihf-g++-4.6 (also gcc) was not found in the path.
• 1647[11:45:44] <jelly> in theory, going from 2.4.9 packaging to 2.4.13 shouldn't be too difficult
• 1648[11:46:14] <jelly> debian probably patches it up to use the default g++, not some old 4.6
• 1649[11:46:29] <jelly> or uses the right build params
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• 1656[11:49:28] <SynrG> aimless: probably worth having a look at the patches & debian/rules from the debian source pkg
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• 1664[11:54:54] <nickenchuggets> morning
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• 1673[12:01:14] <babilen> nickenchuggets: Okay, how can #debian help with that?
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• 1675[12:01:40] <nickenchuggets> not at all, so I went to #debian-offtopic
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• 1703[12:18:51] <earthian> Hello, I am building a new server from some old parts I had around. I have a problem where a fresh and light Jessie installation keeps freezing at a random time after booting up and sometimes during booting process. There are no error messages just a freeze. I have tested memory with memtest86+ and it passed without errors, the hard disks seems to be OK too - 2x 500GB in MD RAID1. I suspect that maybe the fault is in CPU or the Chipset - how do
• 1704[12:18:54] <earthian> I test these in Debian?
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• 1708[12:19:48] <Rubas> babilen: thank you :)
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• 1711[12:20:46] <babilen> Rubas: You are welcome .. what did you decide?
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• 1713[12:20:50] <sep> earthian, how long did the memtest run ? overnight ?
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• 1716[12:21:14] <Rubas> babilen: I havn't decided anything yet, I just wrote down what you said - and I will research it more the upcoming week :)
• 1717[12:21:23] <Rubas> I have some problems with a server, which I am fixing right now first :)
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• 1720[12:22:08] <babilen> Rubas: Alright! Just keep in mind that for each of those tools there are a number of alternatives that might be worth looking into as well .. I just mentioned some typical and good ones that somewhat exemplify difference approaches to backups
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• 1722[12:22:25] <babilen> *different
• 1723[12:22:38] <earthian> sep, yes overnight for several hours
• 1724[12:22:44] <earthian> Should I leave it longer?
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• 1726[12:22:58] <earthian> There was one pass only
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• 1728[12:24:11] <sep> i usualy let it run 3-4 passes. but if it crases often in debian then it should show up quick in memtest as well if that was the culprit
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• 1730[12:24:40] <sep> no overheating problem ? good cooler, properly mounted with right amount of cooling paste ?
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• 1733[12:25:07] <aimless> jelly, it seems that the cmake of the toolchain want's to have the compiler versions 4.6. Is there a way to install such a old compiler versions on debian stretch? I've just tried with archive.debian.org...
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• 1742[12:28:43] <hean01> Hi, I need some help from someone with insight in debian policies wrt add-on software, eg. software from third part opensource / proprietary. Is there anything written about this topic ?
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• 1746[12:31:09] <SynrG> hean01: does debian have policies about it? i don't think so. i don't know of any. the closest thing is social contract paragraph 5.
• 1747[12:31:26] <SynrG> replaced-url
• 1748[12:31:40] <Penix> hean01: the policy manual has sections regarding non-free and contrib
• 1749[12:31:44] <Penix> hean01: replaced-url
• 1750[12:32:07] <SynrG> but that's not really what most people would mean when they refer to "third party"
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• 1752[12:33:02] <SynrG> there exists software not in main, contrib or non-free that can run on Debian. there are no policies about that. informally, here on irc, we will simply tell you we don't give support for it here.
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• 1754[12:34:32] <hean01> SynrG: I have found that one can't package a add-on using dkpg due to lintian policies.. Therefore there must be something that actually defines that this is not ok..
• 1755[12:34:48] <hean01> SynrG: any idea where i can dig for information around this topic ?
• 1756[12:34:59] <SynrG> one can package anything, policy-compliant or not.
• 1757[12:35:17] <SynrG> one is free to distribute one's non-policy-compliant software from a third-party repository if one wishes
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• 1761[12:35:33] <SynrG> this, however, has nothing to do with "policies against third-party software"
• 1762[12:35:47] <SynrG> so you seem to be mixing up the issues.
• 1763[12:35:53] <SynrG> what are you really trying to ask?
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• 1765[12:36:47] <SynrG> hean01: Penix already linked the only reference you need. read the Debian Policy manual if you want to know what our packaging policies are.
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• 1767[12:36:55] <SynrG> hean01: that applies to what goes into *Debian*
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• 1769[12:37:16] <SynrG> it is not binding for people packaging stuff outside of Debian. however, it's still a good idea to follow if you don't want to break people's systems.
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• 1772[12:38:00] <hean01> SynrG: I have read it. The problem is the out-of-the box experience when installing a thirdparty dpkg which stores data in opt. Due to one can override the lintan error for dir-or-file-in-opt
• 1773[12:38:26] <hean01> s/can/can't
• 1774[12:38:29] <hean01> override
• 1775[12:38:42] <hean01> This will show a nasty dialog about bad software
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• 1778[12:39:46] <hean01> The definition for this behaviour is the lintian vendor profile shipped by debian ftp-master-auto-reject.profile which both debian and ubuntu inherits
• 1779[12:40:00] <SynrG> so, override the profile?
• 1780[12:40:09] * SynrG is not sure
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• 1782[12:40:35] <hean01> I can't override profile, lintian is runned before installation of package
• 1783[12:41:00] <jelly> hean01, where do users see that nasty dialog?
• 1784[12:41:37] <hean01> jelly: xdg-open package.deb, running dpkg -i package works due to no lintian is runned
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• 1786[12:41:50] <SynrG> replaced-url
• 1787[12:41:52] <SynrG> seems relevant
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• 1789[12:42:10] <jelly> hean01, wow, what does xdg-open actually do on your system?
• 1790[12:42:43] <SynrG> hean01: if you are a vendor, it appears you should provide a lintian vendor profile. however, i'm hazy on the details, only having skimmed that page.
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• 1795[12:43:23] <jelly> wasn't lintian only supposed to run at build and/or upload time, not install
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• 1797[12:43:36] <Penix> yeah. I'm more out of the loop on packaging than I thought...
• 1798[12:43:47] <hean01> SynrG: yes but thats the moment 22, everyone that wants to install this add-on package needs to manually "place a file in dir" to remove nag box about bad software
• 1799[12:43:49] <jelly> is this something new (like 2005+ new)
• 1800[12:43:49] <SynrG> jelly: maybe a layer of protection against clicking malware?
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• 1802[12:43:57] <hean01> is there a way to do this in the correct way ?
• 1803[12:44:04] <jelly> SynrG, my malware installs with /usr prefix!
• 1804[12:44:18] <SynrG> well, s/malware/stupid stuff/
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• 1806[12:44:33] <SynrG> obviously won't thwart *clever* malware :)
• 1807[12:44:44] <hean01> ok so it boils down to, not debi
• 1808[12:45:35] <SynrG> hean01: i don't understand "place a file in dir". surely a package can provide the vendor profile in the right location?
• 1809[12:45:49] <hean01> Ok, can anyone tell me why dir-or-file-in-opt and dir-or-file-in-etc-opt is not overrideable ?
• 1810[12:46:10] <SynrG> maybe look at the changelog for answers to that
• 1811[12:46:16] <SynrG> and/or old bugs relating to the change
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• 1815[12:46:31] <SynrG> this is getting less and less interesting to me :)
• 1816[12:46:38] <hean01> :)
• 1817[12:47:00] <SynrG> a) it's about packaging (see #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net about that) and b) it's about packaging third-party software (i'm more interested in Debian, really)
• 1818[12:47:03] <jelly> how did I manage to click-install google chrome on ubuntu without this nonsense, then
• 1819[12:47:04] <babilen> debi runs lintian on packages it is about to install?
• 1820[12:47:15] <SynrG> hean01: i think i've given enough clues for you to research and find a solution now.
• 1821[12:47:49] <SynrG> jelly: perhaps it provides the correct vendor policy file? :)
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• 1823[12:48:25] <SynrG> that's what i've been saying is needed, but hean01 seems to think there's some "Catch 22" here. however, it would be silly to provide for this in lintian if it were impossible for a vendor to deploy in their packages.
• 1824[12:48:56] <Penix> hean01: is this debian, or actually ubuntu?...
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• 1827[12:49:04] <SynrG> and indeed, examining some other third-party packages as to how they do it is a legit approach
• 1828[12:49:11] * jelly would still like to know which actual component does lintian checks at install time
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• 1830[12:49:39] <jelly> strace -efork,execve -s255 xdg-open blah.deb
• 1831[12:49:43] <babilen> I haven't seen that either, but then stick to apt* on the cli
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• 1837[12:49:48] <jelly> -f of course.
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• 1840[12:50:44] <jelly> unless it does some dbus api call, then strace is not useful :-\
• 1841[12:51:24] <SynrG> jelly: the gdebi package description says it does scan with lintian. but lintian is Recommends only. presumably you could just remove lintian from your system and then those checks wouldn't run
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• 1846[12:52:27] <babilen> Interesting .. so it complains about errors or warnings ?
• 1847[12:52:57] <SynrG> dunno. and i found nothing helpful in the changelog of gdebi explaining the rationale ...
• 1848[12:52:58] <hean01> yes
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• 1851[12:53:16] <SynrG> so i guess the next step is comments in the code / commit messages
• 1852[12:53:29] <hean01> replaced-url
• 1853[12:53:30] <hean01> related
• 1854[12:53:33] <babilen> Weird. But then you might argue that the kind of people that use gdebi are the kind of people interested in seeing those warnings
• 1855[12:53:54] <hean01> babilen: yes if they are valid..
• 1856[12:53:57] <SynrG> yeah. gdebi is very much geared towards people installing third-party stuff
• 1857[12:54:06] <hean01> babilen: how is a package installing files in /opt a bad software
• 1858[12:54:18] <SynrG> so for those users, knowing it's crap in advance (and exactly how it is crap) is a good thing
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• 1860[12:54:23] <babilen> It's not compliant with the Debian policy (which is exactly what lintian checks)
• 1861[12:54:33] <jelly> ah, so it's gdebi.
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• 1863[12:54:42] <babilen> hean01: So .. you can't install those packages at all?
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• 1865[12:55:06] <hean01> babilen: perfect.. yes, and wher can i find info about storing files in /opt is bad
• 1866[12:55:16] <g00se> I'm finding it difficult to find squeeze packages. Can someone please kindly show me a link?
• 1867[12:55:19] <hean01> babilen: yes i can, dpkg works fine, anything that just doesnt do lintian checks
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• 1869[12:55:36] <babilen> hean01: But gdebi is not able to install them?
• 1870[12:55:49] <SynrG> hean01: it's bad with respect to *Debian* policy
• 1871[12:55:56] <SynrG> packages from Debian must not install anything there
• 1872[12:56:02] <SynrG> that is reserved for vendor software
• 1873[12:56:06] <Penix> replaced-url
• 1874[12:56:09] <SynrG> hence my suggestion you use a vendor profile
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• 1876[12:56:27] <SynrG> as I said, Debian policies are not binding on software outside of Debian
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• 1878[12:56:28] <hean01> SynrG: yes and this package im doing is a vendor package. and a vendor profile needs to be in place before a lintian passes
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• 1880[12:56:37] <hean01> which means, i can provide it with my package
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• 1882[12:56:42] <SynrG> hean01: so what's the problem? make a vendor profile that's installed before your package
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• 1884[12:57:18] <Penix> from the bug report: lintian 2.5.2 allows vendor profiles to to declare some tags as non-overridable
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• 1887[12:58:13] <hean01> Penix: yes, but a debian profile defines specificall dir-or-file-in-opt can be overreidden..
• 1888[12:59:05] <hean01> Penix: i already provide a profile for other errors, which works fine and get overrideen. but dir-or-file-in-opt and dir-or-file-in-etc-opt shows up as erros even if specified to be overriden..
• 1889[12:59:13] <SynrG> hean01: so step 1: install the vendor profile deb. step 2: install the deb
• 1890[12:59:22] <SynrG> hean01: step 1 can be skipped if you're not using gdebi
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• 1893[12:59:39] <SynrG> or else you can tell your users "you can ignore this scary message" in the install instructions?
• 1894[12:59:42] <hean01> SynrG: yea thats a nice out-of-the-box experience.. i woudl rather keep the bad software nag dialog..
• 1895[12:59:51] <SynrG> fair enough
• 1896[12:59:57] <hean01> No its not
• 1897[13:00:00] <SynrG> but you can install your vendor profile with the package.
• 1898[13:00:09] <hean01> SynrG: no you cant!!! moment 22
• 1899[13:00:16] <SynrG> gdebi is *not* the recommended way to install software on a Debian system!
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• 1901[13:00:25] <hean01> lintian runs before package is intalled
• 1902[13:00:30] <SynrG> implement it properly as a third-party repo
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• 1904[13:00:39] <g00se> Where to get Squeeze packages?
• 1905[13:01:00] <SynrG> signed by you. and publish your apt key so the user knows they're getting secure updates from you
• 1906[13:01:13] <Penix> g00se: replaced-url
• 1907[13:01:16] <Penix> g00se: archive
• 1908[13:01:19] <g00se> Thanks
• 1909[13:01:19] <SynrG> cf. google-chrome. *they* do it this way
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• 1911[13:01:39] <SynrG> what makes you a special snowflake that you need to support it some other way?
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• 1914[13:02:58] <babilen> And gdebi refuses to install those packages?
• 1915[13:03:24] <SynrG> i don't understand your objection to my statement "but you can install your vendor profile with the package." yes, yes you can. it just won't help the user the first time.
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• 1917[13:03:32] <SynrG> after that, they can gdebi to their heart's content
• 1918[13:03:46] <g00se> Penix: Oops. The packages link is broken. replaced-url
• 1919[13:03:55] <SynrG> archive.debian.org
• 1920[13:04:03] <babilen> dpkg: archive
• 1921[13:04:04] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
• 1922[13:04:16] <jelly> g00se, both squeeze and squeeze-lts are there ^^
• 1923[13:04:39] <Penix> g00se: read the rest of the page. archive.debian.org
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• 1931[13:06:23] <Penix> hmm. I wonder if there is an archive of older apt/dpkg factoids that have been pruned
• 1932[13:06:52] <babilen> hean01: My impression is that you would rather like to provide a proper repository for your users or ask them to use dpkg to install the package. If gdebi refuses to install them if lintian throws a tantrum I'd argue that that's a bug in gdebi (as most of the packages you'll install through it will not necessarily comply with the Debian policy)
• 1933[13:07:03] <SynrG> hean01: what you're butting heads with here is a matter of philosophy. Debian is designed to distribute software in a way that's fundamentally different from other OSes, whose model is to allow installation from random untrusted sources. however, Debian does provide for an excellent way for third-party vendors to participate in the model: you can provide a third-party repo. many vendors do this. some, however, don't, and they end up with users
• 1934[13:07:03] <SynrG> suffering poor user experience as a result.
• 1935[13:07:06] <babilen> hean01: You could also package your vendor policy in a different .deb and depend on that
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• 1937[13:07:13] <g00se> To be clear, i'm not looking for an image. I'm looking for firmware packages
• 1938[13:07:20] <g00se> (non-free)
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• 1940[13:07:40] <Penix> g00se: which you will find in the links/pages we have mentioned
• 1941[13:07:41] <babilen> dpkg: snapshot
• 1942[13:07:41] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 1943[13:07:45] <babilen> g00se: ^
• 1944[13:09:12] <SynrG> hean01: additionally, some distros (notably, Ubuntu) have bought into the "app store" model which is popular on some platforms these days. it, too, offers a sort of solution to the "how to enable users to install software from random third-party sources"
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• 1947[13:11:09] <SynrG> hean01: i don't find gdebi's approach unreasonable. *something* has to establish "installing this questionable-looking stuff from this third-party source is actually ok". doing the lintian checks gives some sort of assurance about this. your typical software installed via gdebi has not been very thoughtfully offered up by the random sites that distribute it that way. smarter third-party software vendors do offer their software via repos. go do a
• 1948[13:11:09] <SynrG> little survey of stuff out there on the web and you'll see.
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• 1951[13:11:56] <babilen> My opinion is that gdebi should make sure that it only warns about lintian errors it genuinely cares about. Given that the entire usecase of that program is the installation of third-party packages that are unlikely to comply with everything in the Debian policy the current behaviour is, IMHO, buggy
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• 1954[13:12:18] <jelly> I'm not sure appropriating build/upload time checks for install/runtime is sane at all
• 1955[13:12:24] <babilen> It's not
• 1956[13:12:30] <SynrG> babilen: that's a reasonable argument. file a bug?
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• 1958[13:12:52] <jelly> because debian is a "universal operating system", you should be able to install anything without it making a huge fuss
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• 1960[13:13:00] <SynrG> (or meaybe hean01 should file it, being the one most impacted by it)
• 1961[13:13:05] <babilen> :)
• 1962[13:13:11] <jelly> *vigorous nod*
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• 1964[13:13:21] <g00se> replaced-url
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• 1967[13:13:38] <babilen> g00se: Which package are you looking for?
• 1968[13:14:05] <g00se> firmware-ralink, firmware-atheros
• 1969[13:14:30] <jelly> g00se, did you enable squeeze sources.list and added the non-free section?
• 1970[13:14:39] <babilen> g00se: Which version?
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• 1972[13:14:56] <g00se> I have to download them manually. No network. i386
• 1973[13:15:07] <babilen> Which version do you need?
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• 1977[13:15:20] <g00se> Squeeze i386
• 1978[13:15:29] <jelly> deb replaced-url
• 1979[13:15:29] <jelly> deb replaced-url
• 1980[13:15:29] <babilen> Which version of the package is that or don't you know?
• 1981[13:15:46] <g00se> Not sure
• 1982[13:15:55] <jelly> g00se, which kernel are you targeting?
• 1983[13:16:24] <babilen> replaced-url
• 1984[13:16:40] <g00se> I'm probably going to have to get that too since these wireless modules are prob not in current kernel
• 1985[13:17:11] <babilen> Can't you upgrade that box to wheezy or, even better, to jessie?
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• 1987[13:17:24] <g00se> How - without net?
• 1988[13:17:38] <babilen> g00se: You can search for packages on replaced-url
• 1989[13:18:02] <babilen> g00se: Not network after installing the firmware?
• 1990[13:18:06] <babilen> *No
• 1991[13:18:14] <jelly> you want to match the firmware with the actually running kernel version. If that's 2.6.32-ish from squeeze, then the pacakge version above is okay. If you have a newer kernel you may prequire newer firmware...
• 1992[13:18:48] <jelly> g00se, so, what does "uname -a" or at least "uname -r" say on that system?
• 1993[13:18:50] <maziar> i connect my camera HDMI output to my Debian laptop, and i want to record it, how should i do it?
• 1994[13:18:59] <g00se> I think i just might abandon the box after getting network working. Kernel 2.5.x (not high enough)
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• 1996[13:19:04] <jelly> 2.5?
• 1997[13:19:08] <g00se> ish
• 1998[13:19:22] <Penix> maziar: you laptop has hdmi *input*?
• 1999[13:19:32] <jelly> g00se, write the exact output of "uname -a" please
• 2000[13:19:40] <g00se> I might have installed a backported one which is a bit higher. Shall go and check
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• 2002[13:21:03] <babilen> 2.5 ?!
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• 2004[13:21:53] <missmbob> babilen: ish. pay attention ;)
• 2005[13:21:57] <Penix> 2.5 would be a backport for sarge or woody
• 2006[13:22:15] <babilen> Well .. lets see what it actually is :)
• 2007[13:22:21] <babilen> missmbob: hehe
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• 2010[13:22:56] <osfe> Hi there. How do you configure recently used files in kde, please ?
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• 2012[13:23:09] <Penix> osfe: huh?
• 2013[13:23:12] <osfe> I'd like to exclude files from hidden folder from the result
• 2014[13:23:17] <g00se> Yay! Better than i thought - 2.6.32-5-686
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• 2016[13:24:05] <jelly> that's a normal squeeze kernel, okay, so the fw linked above ought to work
• 2017[13:24:07] <babilen> g00se: Grab the package, install it and upgrade to wheezy then jessie
• 2018[13:24:41] <SynrG> maziar: without a capture card with hdmi-in, it cannot be done.
• 2019[13:25:13] * jelly steals two negatives from SynrG
• 2020[13:25:16] <SynrG> maziar: e.g. something like replaced-url
• 2021[13:25:17] <g00se> Thanks guys. I'll get the wireless nic working first
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• 2111[14:09:00] <g00se> The good news is that i was able to install the wireless nic in Squeeze. Bad news is that action was prob based on misdiagnosis: that my nic had crapped out. I've just discovered that no installed package (of signif) has the substring 'work'. So it looks like my squeeze (Xfce) has no networking!
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• 2114[14:10:00] <g00se> Squeeze-xfce is meant to have NetworkManager isn't it?
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• 2149[14:29:42] <Lionyx> how do I get libreoffice 5?
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• 2151[14:30:26] <bazhang> Lionyx, why not ask in #libreoffice
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• 2153[14:32:30] <Lionyx> bazhang: because I wanna get it in debian as a debian package? I'd like to know if there's another repo with libreoffice 5 instead of 4.3 i'm currently using.
• 2154[14:32:48] <Lionyx> And how to install it.
• 2155[14:33:15] <brontosaurusrex> Lionyx: backports
• 2156[14:33:19] <nkuttler> ,v libreoffice
• 2157[14:33:20] <judd> Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u8; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u5; jessie-backports: 1:5.1.5~rc2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:5.1.5~rc2-1; sid:
• 2158[14:33:21] <judd> 1:5.2.0-1
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• 2162[14:34:14] * figlfdev actually installed libreoffice 5 yesterday (from petget-- in jessie)
• 2163[14:34:23] <figlfdev> though i would sooner use backports
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• 2185[14:39:19] <Lionyx> and how to use backports?
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• 2188[14:40:33] <figlfdev> add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list
• 2189[14:41:23] <figlfdev> replaced-url
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• 2192[14:42:56] <aimless> how can I install an old package? I've appended "replaced-url
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• 2194[14:43:39] <figlfdev> thats trickier
• 2195[14:43:53] <figlfdev> you can try apt-pinning to an older version and then remove the new one
• 2196[14:44:04] <Lionyx> tks
• 2197[14:44:09] <figlfdev> though i dont do that so i cant tell you if it works-- only that you can mess things up that way
• 2198[14:44:23] <figlfdev> and by "mess up" i mean just end up with installs that sometimes work
• 2199[14:44:36] <figlfdev> this works, that doesnt, this does etc
• 2200[14:45:00] <g00se> Can someone please take a look at this (all too?) short list of installed net packages in Squeeze+xfce and explain if there's something missing that might have caused networking to fail? replaced-url
• 2201[14:45:17] <babilen> aimless: Could you provide more information about what you are trying to do? (e.g. apt-cache policy output for the package, your installation attempts, ...)
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• 2203[14:45:46] <g00se> That was grepped on the case-insensitive substring 'net'
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• 2206[14:46:30] <g00se> My goal: to get recently-failed networking to work again
• 2207[14:46:38] <babilen> aimless: If you are tracking stretch you are probably also looking for #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where we support testing and unstable
• 2208[14:46:47] <figlfdev> wireless or wired?
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• 2210[14:46:58] <babilen> g00se: What did you change? How do you configure your network?
• 2211[14:47:17] <g00se> I don't recall changing anything
• 2212[14:47:36] <g00se> I can't remember now if NetworkManager is meant to be installed
• 2213[14:47:46] <figlfdev> usually
• 2214[14:48:02] <g00se> Yes, i thought so. Even with Squeeze
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• 2216[14:48:20] <figlfdev> if you have a cable you can probably dhclient eth0 to get back online
• 2217[14:48:21] <g00se> There's no package network-manager in that list
• 2218[14:48:33] <aimless> babilen: I try to install gcc-4.6 as well as g++-4.6 on my stretch system
• 2219[14:48:41] <g00se> Tried that flg
• 2220[14:49:23] <aimless> babilen: I need it to compile opencv for arm. As far as I've seen, the version is determined by the toolchain.
• 2221[14:49:24] <babilen> aimless: That isn't in stretch at all
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• 2225[14:50:17] <babilen> (but in wheezy)
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• 2229[14:51:06] <babilen> aimless: You probably want to compile that software with the standard version of gcc (a new one just entered, which might make things trickier)
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• 2231[14:51:23] * g00se is going to boot a Wheezy live and see what happens
• 2232[14:51:35] <babilen> You wouldn't build it for stretch then
• 2233[14:52:24] <babilen> judd: v libopencv-dev
• 2234[14:52:25] <judd> Package: libopencv-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3.1-11+deb7u1; jessie: 2.4.9.1+dfsg-1+deb8u1; sid: 2.4.9.1+dfsg-2; stretch: 2.4.9.1+dfsg-2; experimental: 3.0.0+dfsg-1~exp7
• 2235[14:52:31] <babilen> g00se: fwiw, ^
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• 2238[14:53:57] <babilen> (also on armhf and armel)
• 2239[14:54:04] <aimless> babilen: I don't wanna build it for the desktop but for my cellphone i.e. for an arm processor
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• 2244[14:54:55] <babilen> Okay, why did you pick the version from wheezy then?
• 2245[14:55:28] <aimless> cuz from the toolchain the gcc/g++ version 4.6 is required.
• 2246[14:55:51] <babilen> Which toolchain?
• 2247[14:55:54] <aimless> hence I try to install that on (unfortunately) stretch.
• 2248[14:56:02] <aimless> opencv arm toolchain... mom..
• 2249[14:56:18] <aimless> arm-gnueabi.toolchain.cmake
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• 2254[14:58:27] <aimless> babilen: see replaced-url
• 2255[14:59:08] <babilen> aimless: opencv doesn't require that and I don't know what "arm-gnueabi.toolchain.cmake" actually refers to.
• 2256[14:59:15] <aimless> on the 5th line the version is set to 4.6. The cmake is part of the downloaded opencv package.
• 2257[14:59:41] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 2262[15:00:51] <babilen> But nvm, if you manage to do whatever it is you want to do on wheezy then fine :)
• 2263[15:01:10] <aimless> that cmake is in the opencv-2.4.13 folder under /platforms/linux/ and is, as far as I understood, needed to compile opencv for arm.
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• 2267[15:02:51] <babilen> Where did you get that data from?
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• 2269[15:03:09] <babilen> Debian has 2.4.9.1 and 3.0.0
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• 2271[15:03:52] <babilen> But as you are obviously not targeting Debian this is moot anyway. If you need gcc 4.6 then build it on wheezy, but I would be surprised if you need that version
• 2272[15:04:05] <babilen> (given that Debian can build it just fine on stretch and sid)
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• 2274[15:04:16] <aimless> replaced-url
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• 2280[15:05:56] <babilen> aimless: I don't think that #debian is the best place for support .. try #opencv or the channel of whatever platform you are building for.
• 2281[15:06:13] <babilen> You can, naturally, build it on wheezy
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• 2285[15:08:30] <aimless> k, I thougth it is an issue with the installed version, so I placed it here. But now I'll switch to #opencv channel. Otherwise I'll set up a wheezy. Nevertheless, thanks a lot for your help!
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• 2290[15:10:19] <babilen> aimless: I still don't think that you actually need gcc 4.6, but ask upstream (as you are using their code)
• 2291[15:10:23] <babilen> Good luck!
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• 2293[15:12:34] <simbalion> does anyone know how to disable pop-up notifications in xfce?
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• 2299[15:16:49] <bibble> somewhere in GUI settings. was able to change the display time; they took too long to disappear
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• 2306[15:20:14] <simbalion> bibble: no I want to kill them completely. They should not appear at all.
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• 2319[15:25:18] <bibble> simbalion: think where the time delay settings were, could also disable.
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• 2323[15:25:37] <simbalion> bibble: No
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• 2350[15:37:21] <moldy> hi
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• 2354[15:38:19] <moldy> i am trying to follow this documentation: replaced-url
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• 2358[15:39:08] <moldy> ah, maybe this was because i used the debootstrap from grml...
• 2359[15:39:20] <moldy> i guess that was not a good idea?
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• 2367[15:43:03] <moldy> oh, actually it seems my sources.list was bad
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• 2398[15:56:09] <swi> Hello.
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• 2401[15:57:50] <swi> I have a strange problem. I'v write three files in /etc/network/interface.d/ for each of ethernet interfaces. On boot networking.service complain that it failed to bring up one of them. But in `ip a s` and `ip r s ` i see all of my addresses and routes. What can be wrong? Or i can just ignore it ?
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• 2405[15:59:59] <Engys> Will we need a Kernel Patch for Jessie? replaced-url
• 2406[16:00:53] <babilen> Engys: replaced-url
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• 2410[16:01:40] <babilen> Engys: And yes, there will be a patch.
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• 2414[16:03:02] <Engys> babilen good to know .. thx!
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• 2469[16:25:02] <verm1n> what will be the new tcp_challenge_ack_limit ?
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• 2484[16:30:24] <choice> ~/.bashrc is not automatically sourced when logging in via ssh?
• 2485[16:30:25] <apt> ...but /.bashrc is already something else...
• 2486[16:31:01] <choice> Do I have to put "source ~/.bashrc" in /etc/bash.bashrc?
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• 2488[16:31:51] <rlange> choice: login shells do not automatically source .bashrc
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• 2491[16:32:19] <rlange> put the source statement in your .profile or .bash_profile (whichever you use)
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• 2494[16:33:33] <choice> rlange: Where? in ~/ or in /etc/?
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• 2496[16:33:49] <rlange> ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile
• 2497[16:33:57] <choice> rlange: I have none of these
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• 2499[16:34:03] <choice> rlange: They will be sourced on login?
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• 2501[16:34:15] <rlange> yes
• 2502[16:34:20] <choice> rlange: So I should "mv .bashrc .bash_profile" ?
• 2503[16:34:35] <rlange> «man bash» for more info
• 2504[16:34:36] <rlange> no
• 2505[16:34:45] <rlange> .bashrc serves a different purpose
• 2506[16:34:54] <derenir> someone is actually trying to hack me these last days and the tcp hack appeared.... How dangerous is it?
• 2507[16:34:55] <rlange> it's really only supposed to contain things for interactive shells
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• 2509[16:35:38] <rlange> choice: so you might want to make sure there is a guard in your .bashrc that returns at the top of the script if it's a non-interactive shell
• 2510[16:35:52] <choice> rlange: Now I'm confused :)
• 2511[16:35:58] <rlange> i think the default .bashrc in /etc/skel/ has an example of how to do this
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• 2520[16:39:39] <rlange> choice: read the man page for bash (specifically, the INVOCATION section) for more info on the different shell config files
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• 2535[16:42:39] <rlange> but the short answer for you is, create a new ~/.bash_profile, and put in it something like "source ~/.bashrc" and the logout and log back in
• 2536[16:43:04] <rlange> cat /etc/skel/.profile
• 2537[16:43:06] <choice> rlange: How is that different from renaming .bashrc to .bash_profile?
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• 2539[16:43:57] <rlange> if you read the man page I specified, you will understand, but the short answer is that those two files are supposed to have different contents and are executed at different times
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• 2543[16:45:03] <rlange> btw, you can simply copy /etc/skel/.profile to ~ and it should do the sourcing for you
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• 2545[16:45:20] <choice> ".bash_profile is executed for login shells, while .bashrc is executed for interactive non-login shells"
• 2546[16:45:35] <choice> What is an "interactive non-login shell"?
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• 2548[16:45:52] <choice> Holy shit, I see it.
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• 2551[16:45:58] <rlange> interactive means you can type at it (as opposed to a shell instance opened by a script)
• 2552[16:45:59] <choice> So yeah, both files should do the same.
• 2553[16:46:10] <choice> I wonder why there is a distinction.
• 2554[16:46:31] <rlange> well, login shells are executed when you want a fresh session
• 2555[16:46:50] <rlange> they sometimes contain things you want to happen only once per session
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• 2559[16:47:30] <choice> So I'll do this: echo 'source ~/.bashrc' > .bash_profile
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• 2564[16:48:38] <rlange> choice: you might want to copy the .profile file from /etc/skel/ since it contains some if statements to check if the .bashrc file exists before attempting to source it
• 2565[16:48:39] <choice> Seems to work.
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• 2567[16:48:49] <choice> It exists.
• 2568[16:49:05] <choice> Otherwise, why would I want to source it :)
• 2569[16:49:27] <dersand> i edited my "launch options" in grub to reset root pw(added init=/bin/bash). i changed my password and thought i could exit the terminal with "exit". Then i got a kernel panic message. how serious is this?
• 2570[16:49:27] <rlange> well, in case you accidentally delete it it will keep your shell from puking at you
• 2571[16:50:01] <choice> rlange: And it would be right to puke at me.
• 2572[16:50:18] <choice> rlange: I would *want* to know if I accidentally delete it.
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• 2584[16:54:33] <Zumochi> Hi, I'm trying to allow a system-ish user to reload a process controlled by supervisor vya the sudoers file, but I can't seem to be able to get the syntax quite right
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• 2586[16:55:24] <Zumochi> Under user privilege specification, I have now user DOMAIN=(user)NOPASSWD:RESTART
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• 2588[16:55:55] <Zumochi> Cmnd_Alias RESTART = /usr/bin/supervisorctl restart my-site
• 2589[16:56:23] <Zumochi> And Host_Alias DOMAIN = my-domain.fqdn
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• 2592[16:56:49] <Zumochi> I still get that my user is not allowed to execute /usr/bin/supervisorctl
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• 2598[16:59:04] <vayaconspade> Debian has become my muse in life. Everything revolves around Debian. I'm ignoring my wife and kids to sit and run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade as often as I can. Halp.
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• 2600[16:59:52] <han-solo> vayaconspade: That's fantastic
• 2601[17:00:10] <vayaconspade> lol
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• 2604[17:00:56] <Zumochi> vayaconspade: save time, alias apt-get update to au and apt-get upgrade to ag!
• 2605[17:01:00] <Zumochi> au && ag
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• 2607[17:01:11] <vayaconspade> That's great advice.
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• 2609[17:01:47] <sslb> How do I chroot into a xen domU? I've mounted the LV and I can "chroot mnt/ /bin/bash" but not sure if I need to mount /proc or anything else as I will be re-installing grub. A recent dist-upgrade killed the boot loader.
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• 2612[17:02:37] <han-solo> Zumochi: what's the fun in that? :)
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• 2615[17:03:14] <rlange> Zumochi: I think (user) should be (root) or (ALL) in your line. What you have currently says user may run RESTART without password on DOMAIN as user, which seems tautological
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• 2617[17:04:07] <vayaconspade> I just looked up tautology using an IRC bot dictionary script (that I wrote).
• 2618[17:04:13] <vayaconspade> It's a needlessly repeated whatever.
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• 2636[17:10:08] <Zumochi> rlange: yes indeed! I found that out as well :)
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• 2638[17:10:33] <Zumochi> I find the sudoers syntax to be documented in a rather unfriendly way
• 2639[17:11:04] <greycat> Zumochi: it's not just you.
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• 2641[17:11:18] <Zumochi> Took some time to figure out what goes where in XXX=(YYY)ZZZ:AAA
• 2642[17:12:12] <Zumochi> XXX = domain, YYY is user that will run behind sudo (not the user invokingsudo, ZZZ is a optional parameter (e.g. NOPASSWD), AAA is the command
• 2643[17:12:16] <choice> That * excludes files that start with a dot is such a pain...
• 2644[17:12:19] <Zumochi> I hope I'll forever remember
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• 2646[17:12:30] <choice> How can you make "du *" work on all files?
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• 2649[17:12:46] <greycat> choice: in bash, shopt -s dotglob
• 2650[17:12:46] <Zumochi> choice: du * ./.* ?
• 2651[17:13:00] <choice> let me try...
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• 2653[17:13:07] <greycat> choice: (and if you want to undo that afterward, shopt -u dotglob)
• 2654[17:13:24] <choice> greycat: That would undo it even if it was set before...
• 2655[17:13:36] <choice> greycat: I dont want my "du" command to mess up the shell in any way :)
• 2656[17:13:49] <Zumochi> You can just specify multiple targets to du
• 2657[17:13:51] <greycat> Then do it in a subshell. (shopt -s dotglob; du *)
• 2658[17:14:13] <choice> Zumochi: That als includes stuff like ./../some/stuff :)
• 2659[17:14:23] <choice> greycat: Let me try that...
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• 2661[17:14:50] <Zumochi> Huh?
• 2662[17:14:56] <Zumochi> hmm
• 2663[17:15:05] <choice> greycat: Seems to work :)
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• 2665[17:15:16] <Zumochi> It doesn't seem to include stuff above my current dir for me
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• 2668[17:15:35] <choice> Zumochi: It does here.
• 2669[17:15:50] <choice> Is there a bash bot here so we can try?
• 2670[17:16:04] <Zumochi> Well I use zsh so that might effect things :)
• 2671[17:16:05] <greycat> Not here, but you can do it in #bash.
• 2672[17:16:13] <greycat> Or /msg shbot # your commands
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• 2674[17:17:08] <Zumochi> choice: you're right, it does include the parent folder in bash
• 2675[17:17:13] <choice> yeah
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• 2677[17:18:00] <choice> I have the feeling, 95% of the time when coders try to make programs intelligent, they cause problems.
• 2678[17:18:08] <greycat> Someone always tries to make a glob that matches all files including dot files. It always ends badly. This is why bash has the dotglob option. Also note that the behavior of ls and "dot files" was originally a *bug* in Unix. It just never got fixed. Now it's a "feature". :(
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• 2680[17:18:29] <choice> Ha :)
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• 2684[17:19:27] <greycat> The intent of the original feature was to suppress "." and ".." only. They took a shortcut and only checked the first character. Now it's too old to fix.
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• 2686[17:19:53] <choice> So not one of those "Let's make this more intelligent" bugs.
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• 2689[17:20:11] <choice> Is Linus or Richard to blame for this?
• 2690[17:20:13] <Zumochi> lol
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• 2692[17:20:53] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2695[17:21:22] <han-solo> why isn't there a movie about unix->linux gensis :)?
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• 2697[17:21:33] <han-solo> 'not enought controversy?
• 2698[17:21:34] <choice> By the way ... do "." and ".." make sense in the first place?
• 2699[17:21:45] <zlhgo> how to prevent resolv.conf overwrited by network-manager?
• 2700[17:21:57] <choice> Well, maybe they do. Kind of debatable I guess.
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• 2703[17:22:17] <greycat> han-solo: not enough explosions
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• 2705[17:22:24] <han-solo> yeah
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• 2707[17:23:08] <Zumochi> greycat: thanks for the link :P
• 2708[17:23:22] <han-solo> it's too bad, since none would sue anyone about copyrights and all :)
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• 2718[17:26:37] <sebastian_> yes!
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• 2720[17:26:40] <sebastian_> finally!
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• 2722[17:26:49] <sebastian_> connected to irc via dial up 56k
• 2723[17:26:49] <sebastian_> >croatia internet
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• 2728[17:27:01] <sebastian_> awesome
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• 2734[17:28:50] <choice> Nice
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• 2767[17:43:50] <greycat> Is there any easy way to make apt-get tell me *which* site it is stuck on when it simply hangs at "100% [Waiting for headers]"?
• 2768[17:44:31] <greycat> I suspect it's security.debian.org because I have results from replaced-url
• 2769[17:45:11] <binia> hi
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• 2771[17:45:39] <binia> anyone using isc-dhcp-server? getting an error its not configured to listen on any interfaces but its all there
• 2772[17:46:16] <greycat> Is that configured in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server or somewhere else?
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• 2775[17:47:34] <binia> greycat its in deafults and dhcpd.conf has hardware and static ip of host added
• 2776[17:47:48] <binia> network block is also added
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• 2781[17:49:01] <greycat> Yeah, seems to be hanging on security. Now it's showing "Get:4 replaced-url
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• 2785[17:49:58] <binia> replaced-url
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• 2791[17:51:40] <cisc> Hi, I'm trying to boot a Dell PowerEdge 2950 using the firmware-8.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso image -- after install, it completes, reboots and I then get stuck in a Grub Rescue screen
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• 2853[18:24:43] <b6s3d> how do i install system settings on debian ?
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• 2873[18:33:38] * greycat waits impatiently for security.debian.org to start working again
• 2874[18:34:16] <mtn> b6s3d: which desktop are you using?
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• 2881[18:35:45] <donald> how can I isolate from every network a guest system with the virtualization sofwares kvm and virt manager?
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• 2883[18:36:35] <binia> i use irtualizor but it doesnt like to be hoste don deian
• 2884[18:36:41] <binia> virtualizor*
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• 2891[18:39:00] <b6s3d> mtn i am installing gnome-control-center
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• 2893[18:39:21] <mtn> b6s3d: so you are running gnome?
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• 2901[18:41:51] <mtn> b6s3d: that is a yes/no question
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• 2905[18:43:19] <jhutchins> !tell cisc about fixgrub
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• 2907[18:43:29] <jhutchins> !tell cisc about uefi
• 2908[18:44:02] <jhutchins> donald: Don't give it a nic.
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• 2914[18:46:46] <b6s3d> mtn lxde
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• 2918[18:47:17] <mtn> b6s3d: ok, not sure how well the gnome control center is going to work. have you tried it yet?
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• 2921[18:48:52] <b6s3d> dosn't work
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• 2925[18:50:17] <b6s3d> what system setting software will work mtn?
• 2926[18:50:39] <mtn> b6s3d: the arch linux wiki might give you some ideas of what to use with lxde
• 2927[18:51:29] <mtn> b6s3d: of course if you install one of the more complete desktops you will have system settings by default ;)
• 2928[18:52:33] <bibble> Using 'netstat -pantuc', openvpn connection is visible, but none of the external http connections it's making.
• 2929[18:52:42] <bibble> How to view openvpn traffic ?
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• 2931[18:52:51] <teraflops> view?
• 2932[18:53:21] <bibble> ...see external connections a vpn tunnel is making/forwarding
• 2933[18:53:30] <teraflops> it's enctrypted, tcpdump/wireshark
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• 2935[18:53:56] <bibble> Ah, wireshark, thanks teraflops
• 2936[18:54:03] <teraflops> that's not the traffic, look at the tun/tap devices
• 2937[18:54:15] <teraflops> and openvon server and client logs
• 2938[18:54:25] <bibble> Ah, OK.
• 2939[18:54:37] <sypher> bibble: You won't see that because the connection isn't coming from the openvpn server itself. It's just forwarding packets. Netstat will not display that.
• 2940[18:54:58] <teraflops> not sure if you can decrypt the traffic if you have the certificate though
• 2941[18:55:10] <bibble> Ah, see. really surprised.
• 2942[18:55:26] <sypher> teraflops: No. Ephemeral DH.
• 2943[18:55:34] <teraflops> bibble: sorry what's your issue i just joined and I have no buffer
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• 2946[18:56:26] <`Kevin> iftop ngrep tcpdump on the device, depending on your configuration hitting the device directly it will not be encrypted
• 2947[18:56:29] <sypher> bibble: Not surprising at all. netstat shows connections and listeners on the local system, not for forwarded packets. Functions as designed.
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• 2950[18:56:36] <bibble> sypher: teraflops , when users ssh-proxy their browsers, can view then http website connections they make using netstat. But now their using openvpn, netstat shows nothing.
• 2951[18:56:47] <teraflops> `Kevin: yeah something like that
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• 2953[18:56:58] <teraflops> bibble: ah
• 2954[18:56:59] <sypher> bibble: ssh-proxy initiates connections from the local system. Openvpn is just forwarding packets from one interface and out another.
• 2955[18:57:16] <bibble> Aaaaaahhh
• 2956[18:57:26] <sypher> bibble: If you tcpdump the openvpn server's external interface, you can see some information. Depending on how you have forwarding set up, you might be able to isolate by openvpn client IP, or not.
• 2957[18:57:41] <teraflops> sypher: so if you do a bridge and sniff there?
• 2958[18:58:05] <sypher> teraflops: That might work.
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• 2960[18:58:31] <sypher> teraflops: If you configure IP forwarding without NAT, you can sniff off of the server's egress interface.
• 2961[18:59:02] <teraflops> hmm I have openvpn in bridge mode … but it's friday ^
• 2962[18:59:04] <bibble> Currently masquerading, iptables.
• 2963[18:59:23] <sypher> bibble: Then you'll only see post-masq data, which will obfuscate source IP, but still show you traffic.
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• 2965[19:00:03] <bibble> OK, cool. Thanks sypher , teraflops !! :)
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• 2968[19:00:29] <teraflops> bibble: np, good luck
• 2969[19:00:46] <bibble> <3
• 2970[19:01:00] <Darkhunter> Hi guys, I have got script, that I need to run ssh remotely and from that remote to run server on server, which is running this script. I have got issues with publickey auth...It doesn't authorise me.
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• 2972[19:01:23] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2974[19:02:12] <bibble> 'ssh -o 'Proxy: nc %u %h' user@host1' .. something like that Darkhunter ?
• 2975[19:02:23] <Darkhunter> greycat: I don't need help with ssh...
• 2976[19:02:26] <greycat> if you're using proxy commands, just go straight to #openssh
• 2977[19:02:37] <Darkhunter> I have publickey auth only
• 2978[19:02:44] <Darkhunter> Okay, I will try that
• 2979[19:02:50] <greycat> Darkhunter: You just said "I have got issues with publickey auth"
• 2980[19:03:08] <Darkhunter> greycat: But I can connect to that server without issues
• 2981[19:03:15] <Darkhunter> greycat: But not from that command
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• 2983[19:03:53] <Darkhunter> Command is ssh root@remoteserver -t -p 9022 "ssh -t root@myserver-p 9022"
• 2984[19:03:57] <greycat> I have no idea what you're saying, but maybe someone in #oenssh will understand you.
• 2985[19:04:06] <Darkhunter> I can log in from my server to remote server and I can log in from remote server to my server
• 2986[19:04:07] <greycat> #openssh
• 2987[19:04:13] <bibble> replaced-url
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• 2989[19:04:26] <bibble> $ ssh -o ProxyCommand="nc -X 5 -x localhost:9150 %h %p" server.example.org
• 2990[19:04:41] <Darkhunter> I don't use proxy
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• 2992[19:05:18] <bibble> Ah. Thought you meant you were trying to execute script on host2 through host1
• 2993[19:05:33] <greycat> Nobody knows what he's asking.
• 2994[19:05:38] <bibble> :)
• 2995[19:05:45] <greycat> Maybe BasketCase from #openssh will be able to read his mind. He's very sharp.
• 2996[19:05:59] <Darkhunter> Yes
• 2997[19:06:11] <Darkhunter> Sorry...I know
• 2998[19:06:14] <teraflops> heh
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• 3001[19:07:17] <Darkhunter> So maybe better: I have got script and I need to do this: Command is ssh root@remoteserver -t -p 9022 "ssh -t root@myserver-p 9022" but it doesn't let me go through publickey auth. I can log in to remote server and I can log in from remote server to my server without issues.
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• 3010[19:12:34] <bibble> Darkhunter: maybe you're trying trying to jump through one to the other, which uses your client key. ..When you're doing it normally, you're using the client key to host 1, then host 1's key to host 2.
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• 3013[19:12:52] <greycat> He's getting help in #openssh, so you might want to go there if you want to join in.
• 3014[19:12:54] <bibble> Is the client key & host 1 key the same or different ?
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• 3016[19:13:05] <bibble> Ah, see.
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• 3018[19:13:18] <Darkhunter> bibble: It works normally
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• 3022[19:13:53] <bibble> does host 2 have your desktop public key ?
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• 3025[19:14:30] <greycat> He claims that "remote" (the intermediate) has its own keys with no passphrase.
• 3026[19:14:50] <greycat> I really suggest not splitting his attention between the two channels.
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• 3028[19:15:22] <bibble> See. Then he can't jump through, only login, then login, like he normally does.
• 3029[19:15:25] <bibble> Right.
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• 3056[19:21:41] <allamoox> any idea how can I let my dpkg ignore this error replaced-url
• 3057[19:21:53] <allamoox> !dpkg
• 3058[19:21:53] <dpkg> it has been said that dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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• 3060[19:22:09] <allamoox> !dpkg errpr
• 3061[19:22:11] <allamoox> !dpkg error
• 3062[19:22:22] <greycat> if you're going to try random factoids, please use /msg dpkg
• 3063[19:22:34] <allamoox> ok. sorry
• 3064[19:22:43] <allamoox> do u have a clue greycat ?
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• 3068[19:23:49] <greycat> 3. package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
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• 3070[19:24:03] <greycat> If you want to install i386 packages, you need to add multiarch support first.
• 3071[19:24:06] <greycat> !multiarch
• 3072[19:24:06] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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• 3084[19:29:11] <bibble> simbalion: did you manage to stop them all ?
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• 3087[19:30:15] <allamoox> Thank you it works
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• 3105[19:36:57] <funkadelic> is there a debian guide for using cryptsetup/dm-crypt/luks?
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• 3187[20:23:15] <jhutchins> does rsync -ap do something different from rsync -a?
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• 3189[20:23:45] <greycat> -a, --archive archive mode; equals -rlptgoD (no -H,-A,-X)
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• 3198[20:27:17] <dive-o> How does one exclude certain packages from unattended-upgrade ?
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• 3212[20:36:17] <AvatarA> dive-o, see /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
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• 3233[20:44:38] <chrislamp> hello all! I have a gnome plugin (system-monitor) that shows me graphically the RAM and CPU activity even around 30 seconds before. When I login again after the screensaver, I see that the CPU was working on full and then because of my action if became idle again. Am I hacked? Thank you very much
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• 3244[20:48:53] <funkadelic> has debian patched this? replaced-url
• 3245[20:49:36] <greycat> Not yet.
• 3246[20:49:43] <greycat> Use the sysctl workaround.
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• 3254[20:51:39] <b6s3d> i have two graphicards in my puter, how do i enable number two output?
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• 3264[20:55:05] <funkadelic> chrislamp, sudo apt-get install htop tell me which process is using the most CPU
• 3265[20:55:17] <funkadelic> just run htop
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• 3268[20:56:00] <chrislamp> yes - but - as I said the CPU load (and aparently the process) disappears once I touch my PC
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• 3270[20:56:58] <greycat> ssh into it from another host while it's in screensaver-is-running mode and see what's happening
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• 3272[20:58:36] <funkadelic> chrislamp, you can also get the PID's of all of the processes, then match the PIDs of the processes with PIDs in netstat to figureout what program is using what network connections and who is connected to you try netstat -tap or netstat -aoN | grep ESTABLISHED
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• 3277[21:00:00] <chrislamp> thanks greycat! I will try that
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• 3281[21:00:16] <chrislamp> thank you funkadelic but I have networking issue, only CPU
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• 3283[21:00:25] <chrislamp> *don't
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• 3285[21:00:38] <Epakai> b6s3d: i don't know if this is optimal solution, but i use it for a usb video card. run 'xrandr --listproviders' then use those provider numbers to run 'xrandr --setprovideroutputsource <second card#> <main card#>' then you can use a utility like arandr to enable outputs and setup the display placements
• 3286[21:00:44] <funkadelic> chrislamp, i only suggested that you check the network connections because you were concerned with being hacked.
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• 3288[21:00:58] <greycat> (The most likely outcome is that your screen saver is one of those stupid fancy ones that churns the CPU to draw pretty crap on your screen. But you can investigate to be sure.)
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• 3291[21:01:45] <Epakai> b6s3d: with this setup your main card does all the rendering, display is directly copied to the second, so it's probably somewhat slow, but i have usb video card, so it's slow anyway
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• 3294[21:02:14] <no_gravity> Hmm... I'm in ssh / screen and somehow stuff froze. Any thing I can do about it?
• 3295[21:02:35] <greycat> Start with ctrl-Q.
• 3296[21:02:46] <no_gravity> Ha! That worked!
• 3297[21:02:50] <greycat> If that doesn't work, try resetting the screen-terminal-window with Ctrl-A Z
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• 3299[21:02:59] <no_gravity> What is CTRL-Q?
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• 3301[21:03:02] <greycat> XON
• 3302[21:03:08] <no_gravity> XON?
• 3303[21:03:09] <greycat> The opposite of Ctrl-S (XOFF).
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• 3311[21:04:34] <no_gravity> "XOFF is used by a receiving device as a way to let the transmitting device know it needs to stop transmitting"
• 3312[21:04:37] <no_gravity> Holy Moly
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• 3314[21:06:51] <funkadelic> brb
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• 3317[21:08:50] <chrislamp> how I can answer to a specific user like you do? I mean the red color that appears when you answer to me?
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• 3319[21:09:35] <greycat> That is just your client highlighting strings.
• 3320[21:09:51] <no_gravity> chrislamp: <---- just like that
• 3321[21:10:22] <chrislamp> so every time I have to type the exact name and then : ?
• 3322[21:10:27] <greycat> He simply typed your name, or more likely tab-completed it.
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• 3324[21:11:09] <greycat> Most sane clients will tab-complete by filling out the rest of the name, then a colon, then a space.
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• 3326[21:11:27] <chrislamp> greycat, sdfsdf
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• 3328[21:11:38] <chrislamp> the TAB worked! thanks!!
• 3329[21:11:58] <chrislamp> i am using Xirc
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• 3335[21:13:26] <rapha> Hi!
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• 3337[21:14:21] <rapha> I recently saw a "safe" way of adding sid sources into stretch somewhere but now I can't find it anymore. Does somebody here know?
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• 3339[21:14:39] <greycat> Whatever you saw was a lie.
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• 3341[21:14:55] <greycat> (Or you misunderstood it.)
• 3342[21:15:06] <rapha> greycat: "safe" meaning that you had to tell apt explicitly that you want to install something from sid
• 3343[21:15:26] <greycat> It is NEVER SAFE to install any binary package from sid, even if you use GOD DAMNED STUPID PINNING.
• 3344[21:15:30] <greycat> Just FORGET PINNING!
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• 3346[21:15:46] <rapha> go fuck yourself greycat
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• 3348[21:15:51] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3349[21:15:58] <missmbob> okay
• 3350[21:16:11] <greycat> He was off topic anyway, so it's no big loss.
• 3351[21:16:36] <SpeedyG> hah
• 3352[21:16:52] <SpeedyG> greycat's on a roll again ^_^
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• 3355[21:17:26] <greycat> But really, the alternatives are that I slam the hammer down on pinning IMMEDIATELY (result: he stormed out), or we have a 40 minute debate about pinning in which case the result is likely "no change in user's behavior".
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• 3360[21:18:19] <SpeedyG> true, pinning is a 'nice' feature if you really know what you're doing and all.. but to call it safe....
• 3361[21:18:23] * greycat wonders if apt-get update is ever going to work again :(
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• 3366[21:24:45] <chrislamp> when I use Chromium I have enable the feature that when i reopen the program to show me the last opened tabs. Is there any trick to not load all of them in the background because it severe slows down the PC?
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• 3369[21:26:10] <greycat> Close some of them before you exit chromium?
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• 3371[21:26:42] <greycat> Keep the non-urgent ones in "favorites" or "bookmarks" or whatever and only open them on demand?
• 3372[21:26:48] <transhuman> how do i tell the domain a dns server is distributing to a debian box if I am using static ip. ... does this show up in /etc/resolv.conf automatically
• 3373[21:27:06] <greycat> transhuman: your default search domain is in /etc/resolv.conf usually with the word "search" before it
• 3374[21:27:30] <greycat> transhuman: this only applies to hostnames that you specify without a domain, which should be rare if you aren't doing a bunch of LAN stuff
• 3375[21:27:58] <greycat> transhuman: also, you meant "a DHCP server is distributing", I suspect.
• 3376[21:28:12] <transhuman> yes its just kind of wierd the home router doesnt have a field to specify the dns server domain even though it distributes ip to clients
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• 3378[21:28:37] <transhuman> and has dns server settings
• 3379[21:28:40] <greycat> That's because 99% of home users don't have a LAN to speak of. They only care about resolving Internet hostnames like replaced-url
• 3380[21:28:45] <transhuman> and keeps track of the clients
• 3381[21:29:07] <greycat> My plastic router at home gives me "search: Belkin"
• 3382[21:29:11] <transhuman> so its like half assed dns
• 3383[21:29:22] <transhuman> ah ok looks like mine might be HOME
• 3384[21:29:29] <greycat> If you want a DNS domain to cover hosts on your LAN, you will have to set that up yourself.
• 3385[21:30:08] <chrislamp> greycat, this is a good idea but really I would prefer the way the firefox works: It loads all the tabs without loading all the stuff of them in the background
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• 3388[21:30:37] <missmbob> chrislamp: ask #chromium if there's some trick
• 3389[21:31:01] <transhuman> my other cheap router at least had a field for this
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• 3391[21:31:06] <transhuman> thanks greycat
• 3392[21:31:27] <chrislamp> thanks missmbob
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• 3401[21:35:45] <autofsckk> /j debian-es
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• 3411[21:39:11] * greycat wishes apt-get update would at least cache the responses that WORK, so they wouldn't have to keep downloading over and over and over just because security.debian.org keeps failing.
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• 3434[21:51:02] <jhutchins> greycat: Just comment security out for a run.
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• 3443[21:57:18] <Strykar> how do you search backports with the bot here?
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• 3445[21:57:54] <nicknight> hi
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• 3447[21:58:07] <greycat> Strykar: /msg judd v pkgname
• 3448[21:58:15] <greycat> and various other commands
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• 3452[21:59:39] <Strykar> greycat, ty
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• 3460[22:03:57] <nicknight> hello
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• 3476[22:10:18] <SerajewelKS> should it work to use a TLS-secured proxy with https_proxy? that is: https_proxy=replaced-url
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• 3478[22:10:38] <SerajewelKS> AFAICT tools like wget don't even look at the scheme of the proxy URL and try to make an unencrypted HTTP request to the proxy
• 3479[22:10:39] <donald> how to isolate a guest machine system virtualized by kvm and virt manager?
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• 3482[22:11:08] <sypher> donald: Isolate as in...?
• 3483[22:11:37] <donald> sypher: from any type of network
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• 3485[22:11:47] <sypher> donald: Don't add a vNIC to it?
• 3486[22:11:50] <donald> against any type of network
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• 3488[22:12:06] <SerajewelKS> curl seems to do the same thing
• 3489[22:12:08] <donald> I don't know
• 3490[22:12:17] <donald> just block every connection
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• 3492[22:12:25] <SerajewelKS> seems connecting to HTTPS proxies isn't well-supported :(
• 3493[22:12:46] <SerajewelKS> donald: just don't give it a virtual NIC
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• 3497[22:13:59] <donald> NIC?
• 3498[22:14:04] <SerajewelKS> network card
• 3499[22:14:11] <donald> ok
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• 3506[22:17:59] <Strykar> how do I set FQDN with systemd?
• 3507[22:18:44] <greycat> Um. What.
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• 3510[22:19:02] <greycat> Your hostname goes in /etc/hostname
• 3511[22:19:41] <greycat> If you want to have a secret "look at me I'm so cool I have dots in my name" FQDN that is known only to you and not to any other computers, you can add it in /etc/hosts but only if you do it just exactly right.
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• 3513[22:19:56] <greycat> I wouldn't recommend bothering to do that.
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• 3519[22:22:11] <greycat> The name by which *other computers* know you is defined in DNS by mapping from a domain name (for which you spend a chunk of real money each year) to an IP address.
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• 3523[22:23:05] <capsloth> debian stretch was delayed 2 months to launch with linux 4.10 LTS, but the next LTS linux kernel will be 4.9..
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• 3525[22:24:09] <capsloth> the two month delay will still remain?
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• 3528[22:25:03] <Strykar> greycat, I'd like hostname -f to print the fqdn
• 3529[22:26:27] <hiram> Strykar: you could do that with resolv.conf
• 3530[22:26:49] <hiram> Strykar: does the domain really exists?
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• 3533[22:27:31] <Strykar> yes
• 3534[22:28:13] <hiram> Strykar: take a look at the manpages of the resolvconf
• 3535[22:28:16] <hiram> Strykar: man resolv.conf
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• 3537[22:28:25] <hiram> I think that's what you looking for
• 3538[22:28:40] <hiram> thus your hostname will be the content of /etc/hostname
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• 3541[22:28:46] <hiram> as-is
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• 3543[22:29:02] <hiram> and you can ask the dns client to add the domain name if I'm not mistaken
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• 3545[22:29:26] <hiram> I did something like that on a server
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• 3551[22:30:20] <hiram> not sure, though, what hostname -f would print, but I believe it's gonna work
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• 3553[22:30:37] <Sabotender> greetings, does anyone have experience using dd to completely clone a drive in here?
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• 3555[22:31:00] <greycat> The fun thing about computers is they do not care about your beliefs.
• 3556[22:31:00] <Lowl3v3l> Sabotender, isn't it kinda self explanatory?
• 3557[22:31:06] <Sabotender> I need a bit of help. I am currently booted into a live cd, with both drives installed and ready
• 3558[22:31:16] <hiram> greycat: indeed haha
• 3559[22:31:27] <Lowl3v3l> Sabotender, read the manpage twice.
• 3560[22:31:31] <hiram> greycat: i hope it continues this way
• 3561[22:31:32] <Sabotender> Lowl3v3l: unfortunately not. I am reading stuff about block sizes and im not sure which to choose
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• 3564[22:31:51] <hiram> greycat: computers having consciousness kind of disturbs me
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• 3570[22:32:27] <Lowl3v3l> Sabotender, replaced-url
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• 3573[22:33:10] <hiram> Sabotender: man dd. -> "dd if=/dev/XXX of=file.img" or somthing like that
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• 3576[22:33:44] <Sabotender> hiram: im copying one disk to another, no image
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• 3578[22:33:57] <Lowl3v3l> Sabotender, and beware : run sync after dd^^
• 3579[22:34:34] <Strykar> running domainname prints none, and it appears to pick it from /etc/hosts which is now updated
• 3580[22:34:39] <donald> flaf:actually I want to blcok every connection from the guest to the host or to internet directly
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• 3582[22:35:10] <greycat> Strykar: domainname is an *NIS* command. You do not want this.
• 3583[22:35:24] <Strykar> ah I see, thanks. hostname -f prints correctly now
• 3584[22:36:10] <Sabotender> Lowl3v3l: sync? does this verify that the copy was successful?
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• 3586[22:36:30] <Lowl3v3l> Sabotender, man sync will tell you^^
• 3587[22:36:30] <missmbob> Sabotender: sudo dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K conv=noerror,sync
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• 3589[22:37:00] <missmbob> Sabotender: replaced-url
• 3590[22:37:05] <Sabotender> OH i see
• 3591[22:37:09] <Sabotender> danke
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• 3593[22:37:42] <Sabotender> my mobile phone was cutting off some of the switches
• 3594[22:37:44] <Sabotender> :-P
• 3595[22:37:47] <Sabotender> small screen
• 3596[22:37:59] <hiram> greycat: i will try just to ask for help now, forgot i was on a "big tank" with big fishes, was just checking out if irc was alive, hopefully yes haha
• 3597[22:38:12] <hiram> greycat: i don't want to be embarassed anymore
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• 3604[22:41:56] <Sabotender> Lowl3v3l: is it normal for the cursor to freeze while it is working?
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• 3607[22:42:33] <Lowl3v3l> Sabotender, depends on how much load your system has while working i suppose? of course i dont really know
• 3608[22:42:53] <netcrash> Hello, not sure if this is the channel for the question I did try netfilter, but if anyone knows... If I have a iptables rule that says -d HOST-A -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT # will this be making packets with the source of HOST-A accepted if there was a connection?
• 3609[22:42:58] <netcrash> WinstonSmith: 2
• 3610[22:43:05] <netcrash> WinstonSmith: sorry
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• 3612[22:44:39] <Sabotender> hmm. that was amazingly fast
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• 3614[22:45:57] <Sabotender> okay I guess its time to try to boot, brb
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• 3627[22:48:54] <LazyAngel> Hi, 'apt-key list' gives me 'gpg: mpi too large for this implementation...' any idea how to solve it?
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• 3631[22:50:03] <nickk> hi
• 3632[22:50:06] <nickk> 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.5.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20160604-15:35' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
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• 3700[23:24:58] <nickk> hi how can I install firefox from source in debian ?
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• 3702[23:26:56] <donald> I found the NIC configuation tool but there is not any botton to block the network.
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• 3706[23:27:51] <nickk> hi this room dull :(
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• 3708[23:29:24] <`Kevin> you dont get what you need in 4 minutes from volunteers and you troll?
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• 3711[23:30:39] <nickk> kevin me ??
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• 3713[23:30:47] <nickk> `Kevin: ??
• 3714[23:31:12] <hassoon> 'sup
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• 3721[23:35:32] <nickk> hi debianss
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• 3723[23:35:59] <xaotutti> hello, i have a problem with using keynoard binds in putty (using tmux), do anyone know how to fix that?
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• 3734[23:39:12] <drjuls> Hello! Can anyone tell me how to install rar package in debian 8.5? here speaks not find
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• 3736[23:39:36] <tlolczyk> Is it possible to specify that apparmor not to run any program that does not have a profile?
• 3737[23:40:35] <drjuls> tlolczyk: in terminal with "apt-get"
• 3738[23:40:49] <format_c> drjuls, what do you mean by "install rar package"?
• 3739[23:40:53] <tlolczyk> drjuls: How?
• 3740[23:41:06] <format_c> do you mean how to extract it?
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• 3744[23:42:23] <drjuls> for example : I would like to extract / compress a .rar file, but can not do it because I have not installed rar
• 3745[23:42:29] <missmbob> drjuls: unrar is in non-free. so you need to have non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list (might as well add contrib) and then apt-get update and apt-get install unrar
• 3746[23:42:51] <format_c> here you go
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• 3749[23:43:15] * Sabotender dances
• 3750[23:43:20] <Sabotender> moo 🐮
• 3751[23:43:31] <drjuls> missmbob: unrar I managed via apt -get, but not rar
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• 3753[23:43:58] <Sabotender> the dd command was successful! I had to wrestle with OS X in order to be able to actually expand the partition, but I was even able to complete that!
• 3754[23:44:10] <Artox> \o everybody; wanted to throw in a question that jsut came up while working on a package: what is the best approach to supply information that is only known at build-time to a postinst script from the rules file?
• 3755[23:44:14] <missmbob> drjuls: so apt-get install rar
• 3756[23:44:25] <missmbob> Sabotender: yay
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• 3762[23:45:14] <Sabotender> yay indeed :-p
• 3763[23:45:17] <Artox> my guess is rename to .postinst.in, then use sed to create the final ones
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• 3766[23:45:52] <Sabotender> and now I can instal a full version of debian in my VM, complete with cinnamon as my window manager...though I should use lxde
• 3767[23:46:34] <missmbob> cinnamon is de not wm. so is lxde. but who cares :P
• 3768[23:46:58] <Sabotender> oops, pardon me
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• 3770[23:47:34] <Sabotender> desktop environment
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• 3772[23:48:08] <Sabotender> missmbob: soooo X11 would be a WM?
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• 3775[23:49:36] <missmbob> Sabotender: no. something like icewm, fvwm, sawfish, metacity
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• 3777[23:50:16] <Sabotender> lol oh dear. See I just use linux, I don't know all the terminologies, im definitely no expert
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• 3781[23:52:12] <missmbob> Sabotender: add xfce to your list of DE to try. in my opinion it's better than lxde but it's all subjective
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• 3784[23:53:02] <Sabotender> lol just the other day I was recommended lxde over xfce
• 3785[23:53:15] <missmbob> Sabotender: try them all. there's no limit :P
• 3786[23:53:25] <missmbob> Sabotender: then pick whatever you like best. or dislike the least.
• 3787[23:53:27] <Sabotender> gotta catch em all eh
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• 3799[23:57:50] <Sabotender> is 8GB a decent size for a VM disc image for debian?
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• 3809[23:58:48] <donald> how to disable networking from kvm on virt manager?
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• 3813[23:59:42] <missmbob> Sabotender: i'd go ten. i have 7G used right now minus /home on my laptop
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