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• 2[00:00:30] <HelloShitty> Or this is not supposed to be encrypted with a GPG like key file?
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• 9[00:07:41] <finn0> Which package does this "[drm:intel_pipe_update_end [i915]] *ERROR* Atomic update failure on pipe A (start=459165 end=459166) time 152 us, min 763, max 767, scanline start 760, end 768" bug belongs to? probably kernel.
• 10[00:07:58] <somiaj> that is the kernel
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• 15[00:10:15] <ross`> Okay, I think I specifically figured out what the problem is
• 16[00:10:24] <ross`> systemd-modules-load[391]: modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia-current not found in directory /lib/modules/4.19.0-4-amd64
• 17[00:10:27] <karlpinc> HelloShitty: What are you trying to do? (LUKS is for encrypting devices.) If you want to send something to someone and encrypt it, you encrypt it with their public key. They decrypt it with their private key.
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• 19[00:10:36] <finn0> Is there a way to search bug by using string(for example I want to see all bugs which contains a strings either in subject or body) in bugs.debian.org database? other than replaced-url
• 20[00:10:40] <ross`> how do I ensure that the correct nvidia drivers are in my active modules directly
• 21[00:10:43] <ross`> directory
• 22[00:11:18] <HelloShitty> karlpinc: no. I want to create a small encrypted volume so that I can save there some private data
• 23[00:11:46] <HelloShitty> for instance, I encrypt a text file wihch contains info about me, for instance
• 24[00:12:00] <HelloShitty> and then I'll move it into that encrypted volume
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• 27[00:12:33] <HelloShitty> And I was trying to encrypt that volume with a key file
• 28[00:12:41] <HelloShitty> but maybe I'm misunderstanding the concept
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• 30[00:13:07] <themill> finn0: bug titles yes, but not within bugs
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• 32[00:13:15] <HelloShitty> I thought this keyfile could be a GPG pair of keys that woul ask me my password to decrypt the volume
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• 34[00:13:28] <HelloShitty> but maybe it's not supposed to be like that
• 35[00:13:59] <HelloShitty> maybe it is supposed to be more like you have a password in a file and encrypt the volume with the password inside that file
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• 39[00:15:38] <ross`> How do I see what files were created on my filesystem for a given package
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• 46[00:18:23] <EdePopede> ross`: dpkg-query -L $package
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• 48[00:18:32] <zoredache> HelloShitty: probably would use cryptsetup for that, with luks or something
• 49[00:18:43] <HelloShitty> :s
• 50[00:18:43] <EdePopede> and then there may be config files and the like created by the install scripts
• 51[00:18:47] <HelloShitty> That's what I'm using
• 52[00:19:32] <zoredache> ah, didn't seen enough history I guess.
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• 55[00:19:39] <HelloShitty> yeah
• 56[00:19:48] <HelloShitty> I'm using LUKS to encrypt a volume
• 57[00:19:56] <HelloShitty> but I was trying to encrypt it with a key file
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• 59[00:20:05] <HelloShitty> but I might have misunderstood the concept
• 60[00:20:19] <HelloShitty> I thought it would accept a GPG like key file
• 61[00:20:25] <ross`> EdePopede: thank
• 62[00:20:41] <HelloShitty> and I was asking here if I should provide the private key or the public key for this volume encryption
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• 64[00:20:52] <HelloShitty> but probably this is not the way it is supposed to be made
• 65[00:21:10] <HelloShitty> maybe it's just a password in a file in plaintext that should be used to encrypt the volume
• 66[00:21:11] <zoredache> your 'key' file should probably just be a file full of random data, the key possibly could be encrypted, but it might require some additional steps to present the unencrypted version of the file to cryptsetup
• 67[00:21:47] <HelloShitty> I know that several key files can be used
• 68[00:21:52] <HelloShitty> I think I read that from man pages
• 69[00:22:07] <HelloShitty> but probably not in the sense I thought it was supposed to be one
• 70[00:22:13] <HelloShitty> s/one/done
• 71[00:22:26] <HelloShitty> I'll investigate further tomorrow
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• 73[00:23:38] <EdePopede> ross`: btw, dpkg-query -S $file gives you just the opposite: the name of a package
• 74[00:23:48] <ross`> cool!
• 75[00:24:08] <zoredache> HelloShitty I usually just do something like `dd if=/dev/random of=/externalmedia/keyfile bs=16k count=1` for my keyfiles
• 76[00:24:14] <finn0> themill: Thanks for reply. Mail-archive of bugs (replaced-url
• 77[00:24:35] <HelloShitty> yeah, I di that too first for testing
• 78[00:24:39] <HelloShitty> but then I thought
• 79[00:24:56] <HelloShitty> this is kind of the same as if I provide plain text password via terminal and memorize it
• 80[00:25:06] <HelloShitty> the only difference is the lack of randomness
• 81[00:25:31] <HelloShitty> that's why I thought that maybe the keyfile could be my GPG key file
• 82[00:25:41] <zoredache> HelloShitty: well that is partly why I put it on external media. So it is only online when I mount the system
• 83[00:25:46] <HelloShitty> but then I thought "but which one? Public or private"?
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• 85[00:26:08] <HelloShitty> ok
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• 87[00:26:19] <HelloShitty> I see now I minsunderstood the concept
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• 89[00:27:16] <zoredache> you could probably generate that random key and encrypt it with gpg, then have some kind of script that uses gpg to unencrypted and present the unencrypted version at the time you mount.
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• 92[00:30:26] <mojikun> when buster comes out, can i just change the sources.list to point to buster, and apt update, apt full-upgrade?
• 93[00:31:13] <horribleprogram> mojikun: what's buster?
• 94[00:31:38] <mojikun> damn demian
• 95[00:31:45] <mojikun> debian the new ubuntu
• 96[00:31:47] <finn0> somiaj: Can I report about a bug for which I don't have information like steps to reproduce it, what's the affect on system etc?
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• 98[00:32:02] <horribleprogram> mojikun: no like what is Debian Buster?
• 99[00:32:24] <mojikun> i don't understand the question
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• 103[00:35:13] <horribleprogram> What's the difference between Stretch and Buster?
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• 105[00:35:29] <horribleprogram> the repos in the sources.list?
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• 107[00:37:11] <EdePopede> horribleprogram, that's my "main" entry > deb replaced-url
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• 109[00:37:26] <EdePopede> buster doesn't use "stretch" there of course
• 110[00:38:25] <EdePopede> !codenames
• 111[00:38:25] <dpkg> Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7) jessie (8) stretch (9) and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. replaced-url
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• 126[00:58:00] <annadane> mojikun, there'll be release notes
• 127[00:58:19] <annadane> in *general* i guess the way is generally apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade
• 128[00:58:28] <dvs> *gasp*
• 129[00:58:57] <annadane> horribleprogram, debian stretch is the current stable version and debian buster will be the next one, due to release on july 6
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• 131[01:01:57] <somiaj> finn0: the harder it is to reproduce the bug, the less like your bug report will get any traction. But you can report a bug.
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• 134[01:04:32] <annadane> also you're not the first person to ask that either
• 135[01:04:40] <annadane> how hard is it to google "debian buster"
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• 138[01:07:05] <Henry151> hmm... looks like i'm running 60.7.1 , thanks for the heads up.
• 139[01:07:16] <Henry151> that was wrong channel
• 140[01:07:21] <Henry151> but I have questions here too
• 141[01:07:54] <Henry151> i'm running firefox-esr and it is 60.7.1 on my debian system. Any idea when that will be upgraded to 60.7.2 ?
• 142[01:08:19] <Henry151> concerned about recent vulnerabilities patched in 60.7.2
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• 144[01:09:08] <somiaj> when the security team gets it ready, and they often work on how grave they consider the security issues.
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• 146[01:09:32] <somiaj> If you have a cve for the vulns you can check the security tracker or the bug reports to see things.
• 147[01:09:35] <somiaj> ,v firefox-esr
• 148[01:09:36] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 60.6.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-updates: 60.6.3esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-security: 60.7.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.7.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.7.0esr-1; sid: 60.7.0esr-1; stretch-security: 60.7.1esr-1~deb9u1
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• 151[01:10:15] <Henry151> so it looks like i'm getting mine from stretch-security , i think
• 152[01:10:37] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 154[01:11:18] <somiaj> it might be soon, since they have it in sid. Sometimes they do multiple fixes at once, depending on how sever the consider the vulnability.
• 155[01:11:21] <Henry151> that's the thing i heard about and wanted to be sure i was protected from, yep.
• 156[01:11:31] <finn0> somiaj: It seems like I've figured out which package causes issue but problem is that package is not from debian offical repo. Later, I'll confirm that after uninstalling package.
• 157[01:11:35] <Henry151> cool. Sid is like "testing" right?
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• 159[01:11:58] <finn0> Still, should I report a bug?
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• 161[01:12:26] <somiaj> Henry151: no, sid is unstable. Anyways, just wait, the security team does keep on top of these things, but there is sometimes a delay (and as I said it often depends on how sever and impacting the vulns are)
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• 163[01:12:37] <Henry151> cool.
• 164[01:13:16] <annadane> sid is always unstable. testing changes codenames depending on what the next stable is called
• 165[01:13:26] <Henry151> ok.
• 166[01:13:41] <somiaj> finn0: yea, make sure it is a bug in the offical repo, and the most current version of the package.
• 167[01:13:58] <Henry151> do advanced users sometimes do something to tell their debian system, "use everything from stretch, but, for firefox-esr, use the version from sid"?
• 168[01:14:14] <Henry151> or is that just not really done.
• 169[01:14:22] <ice__> any PyQt5 pythonists in here?
• 170[01:14:22] <somiaj> no, advanced users knownot to mix stable and testing/unstable.
• 171[01:14:26] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 172[01:14:26] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is replaced-url
• 173[01:14:43] <Henry151> ha
• 174[01:14:52] <somiaj> Henry151: ^^ users should at least know that, and the general rule is do not install packages from testing/unstable in stable.
• 175[01:14:58] <Henry151> i've broken my debian more times than I would like to remember... I try not to anymore.
• 176[01:15:35] <Henry151> i used to always want the "state-of-the-art latest version" of everything but I finally decided I would be happier using a stable operating system
• 177[01:16:16] <Henry151> so I'm on stretch now and been very happy with it.. I'll just turn on noscript for a few weeks until they get this security fix implemented.
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• 188[01:21:30] <annadane> Henry151, you're more than welcome to just download mozilla's firefox and use that
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• 190[01:21:40] <annadane> i downloaded the .tar and extracted it to my home directory
• 191[01:21:55] <annadane> you don't have to use ESR in stable
• 192[01:22:35] <Henry151> ah, thanks annadane
• 193[01:22:41] <Henry151> i can do that easily enough.
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• 195[01:23:13] <annadane> ESR even breaks one of my extensions for being too old, so forget that noise
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• 198[01:24:08] <Henry151> i have been using esr for ages, i kinda forget why even.. I remember i googled "what's the difference between firefox and firefox-esr" a long time ago and whatever i read, i decided "ok i'll use esr" and i've been using it now for a couple years as my primary browser.
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• 201[01:26:02] <annadane> not that using firefox from mozilla will necessarily fix the security bug you're inquiring about, if you're happy with ESR then use it
• 202[01:26:06] <annadane> i'm just saying you don't have to
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• 204[01:26:58] <gfp76> gfp
• 205[01:27:46] <Henry151> i'm not going to, I'm happy enough just knowing that would be the right way to switch my firefox version (as opposed to mixing different versions of debian in my sources list or such)
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• 212[01:33:57] <usney> how can I have screen and rtorrent start and system bootup together?
• 213[01:34:24] <usney> how can I have screen and rtorrent start at*** system bootup together?
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• 218[01:37:13] <LtL> replaced-url
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• 220[01:38:07] <somiaj> LtL: Correct, but firefox is not included in the debian stable repos, so those using firefox from the debian repos in stable need to wait for the security team (which seems like this is a high vuln so I expect it will be soon)
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• 222[01:38:34] <LtL> somiaj: correct.
• 223[01:40:25] <Henry151> phantomcircuit: debian sid (unstable) is currently using 60.7.2
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• 225[01:40:32] <Henry151> wrong room again.
• 226[01:40:35] <Henry151> ciao
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• 228[01:41:01] <LtL> /me says channel, not 'room.'
• 229[01:41:14] <dvs> !room
• 230[01:41:14] <dpkg> CHANNEL!
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• 232[01:41:17] <dvs> damn
• 233[01:41:20] * Henry151 is less accurate than LtL
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• 244[01:47:05] <Henry151> so
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• 246[01:48:32] <Henry151> if i did just download the latest version from mozilla, and I extracted the tar.bz2 archive somewhere, and it's now sitting there as a folder called "firefox" that's full of all kinds of different stuff
• 247[01:48:56] <Henry151> can i put a symbolic link in /usr/local/bin/ so that when i run "firefox" it will run?
• 248[01:49:09] <met> ,v firefox
• 249[01:49:10] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- sid: 67.0-4
• 250[01:50:09] <LtL> Henry151: get firefox from mozilla.org and unpack it ~/
• 251[01:50:52] <Henry151> like i would imagine it would be as simple as.. ln -s /path/to/new/firefox/that/i/just/downloaded/from/mozilla.org/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox
• 252[01:51:02] <Henry151> LtL: i did..
• 253[01:51:22] <Henry151> i unpacked it in ~/Downloads/newest_firefox/ though
• 254[01:51:33] <Henry151> i could move it around to wherever
• 255[01:51:43] <LtL> ln -s /home/$USER/firefox/firefox /home/$USER/firefox/firefox # i use home dir
• 256[01:51:52] <LtL> err
• 257[01:52:03] <LtL> ln -s /home/$USER/firefox/firefox /home/$USER/Desktop
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• 259[01:52:31] <Henry151> why are you putting it at /home/$USER/Desktop ? i don't understand
• 260[01:53:15] <LtL> Henry151: its installed in my home dir, thats just a symlink on my desktop to launch it
• 261[01:53:21] <Henry151> oh
• 262[01:53:29] <Henry151> well i don't use my desktop that way at all
• 263[01:53:46] <Henry151> i use mod+d to open the launcher thing at the top of my screen, and type the name of the thing i want to run
• 264[01:54:06] <Henry151> usually if i want to be able to run something that way, i just put a symlink to it, in /usr/local/bin/
• 265[01:54:15] <Henry151> but i am not sure if that will "override" the default firefox or not
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• 267[01:55:00] <abrotman> !mdn
• 268[01:55:00] <dpkg> For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at replaced-url
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• 270[01:55:21] <annadane> eww
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• 272[01:56:53] <annadane> /usr/local/bin won't override the firefox-esr stored in presumably /usr/bin/firefox-esr
• 273[01:57:07] <annadane> but AFAIK it'll share the .mozilla folder you have in $HOME
• 274[01:57:18] <annadane> unless you set both up with separate profiles
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• 279[02:00:36] <LtL> My default is FF 67.0.4 in $HOME I don't recall doing anything special to make it default, firefox-esr is still installed also.
• 280[02:01:01] <Henry151> well i usually run esr as firefox-esr , and just don't use firefox
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• 284[02:01:23] <Henry151> but i wanted to make it so that /usr/bin/firefox is replaced by the version of firefox that i just downloaded from mozilla
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• 286[02:01:40] <at0m> annadane: they'll still source the same .mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini. it's up to the user to then select the correct profile. (though i admit i used same profiles for both, and didn't notice oddities)
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• 288[02:01:59] <Henry151> so i was thinking if i put a "firefox" symlink in /usr/local/bin/firefox that it would temporarily replace /usr/bin/firefox until such time as i delete the symlink
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• 290[02:02:18] <Henry151> just wanted to make sure that i was doing it right
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• 292[02:04:06] <annadane> i'm kind of tired so sorry for not following along atm
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• 294[02:04:22] <LtL> Henry151: a dist-upgrade may get tripped up by that, i don't know. I do know buster won't mess with my $HOME, it didn't with jessie-stretch
• 295[02:06:15] <Henry151> hm
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• 301[02:06:49] <Henry151> i'm just gonna forget about it
• 302[02:06:52] * Henry151 just forgets about it
• 303[02:07:36] * Henry151 opens up esr again and continues with his web-browsing like he never even heard about the vulnerability
• 304[02:07:52] * annadane falls asleep
• 305[02:08:37] <LtL> !coffee annadane
• 306[02:08:37] * dpkg decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for annadane, courtesy of ltl
• 307[02:09:20] * Henry151 writes down "say !coffee $nick to anybody who complains of being tired"
• 308[02:09:32] <annadane> anyway i can't live without replaced-url
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• 310[02:10:39] <annadane> mozilla's also reasonably good at *not* having newer versions of their browser suck
• 311[02:10:44] <annadane> so i'll take the improvements
• 312[02:10:45] <Henry151> i heard about that. considered trying it out but never did actually. It must be nice. the person i was speaking with about it was saying that it messed them up, because it has slightly different behavior than actual vim, and so they got habits from it that messed them up while trying to actually use vim.
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• 315[02:12:17] <annadane> the transition to firefox quantum killed vimperator and now with firefox versions older than, what, 64? tridactyl won't work either
• 316[02:12:22] <annadane> so, like, what do you want
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• 324[02:17:48] <LtL> I try to avoid add-ons and browser extensions beyond a script blocker in the browser, and a codec or two
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• 328[02:20:20] <LtL> /me steers back into the on topic lane
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• 340[02:32:53] <zophyx> oh my
• 341[02:34:11] <cybercrypto> oh
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• 343[02:38:44] <annadane> my
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• 346[02:40:16] <ross`> replaced-url
• 347[02:40:47] <ross`> replaced-url
• 348[02:41:07] <ross`> Anyone know what might cause that?
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• 350[02:44:09] <LtL> ross`: #nvidia channel is very good at this.
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• 352[02:44:33] <tux_> replaced-url
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• 354[02:44:50] <tux_> does that look okay? ^^
• 355[02:44:55] <LtL> ross`: i'm not running you off, be aware.
• 356[02:45:37] <jmcnaught> tux_: systemd has a User= directive that you can use instead of using 'su tux…' in ExecStart
• 357[02:45:57] <usney> how do I do that jmcnaught ?
• 358[02:46:00] <usney> I am tux
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• 361[02:47:15] <jmcnaught> usney: put a line that says User=tux in the [Service] section
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• 364[02:47:47] <usney> then get rid of su -c"
• 365[02:47:48] <usney> ?
• 366[02:47:54] <jmcnaught> usney: yeah
• 367[02:48:19] <usney> so do everything the same except for the su tux -c?
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• 369[02:49:32] <jmcnaught> usney: I've never tried to launch screen on boot like this (only ever used it interactively). Is the point so that you can attach to the screen session and interact with rtorrent (I also don't use this)
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• 374[02:52:14] <jmcnaught> usney: replaced-url
• 375[02:52:26] <jmcnaught> usney: is this for stretch, or buster?
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• 378[02:53:45] <jmcnaught> usney: because apparently the rtorrent in buster has a daemon mode which wouldn't require you to use screen
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• 380[02:54:40] <tux_> it is for stretch jmcnaught
• 381[02:54:47] <tux_> I reinstalled stretch
• 382[02:56:34] <ross`> LtL: Thanks!
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• 384[02:57:47] <tux_> replaced-url
• 385[02:58:24] <tux_> jmcnaught I decided to wait until buster comes out
• 386[02:58:31] <jmcnaught> tux_: did you look at the example I linked on the arch wiki?
• 387[02:59:04] <jmcnaught> tux_: or maybe check out deluged or transmission-daemon
• 388[03:00:13] <tux_> I tried using transmission it is to hard for me to setup jmcnaught
• 389[03:00:31] <tux_> rtorrent is easier for me
• 390[03:00:48] <jmcnaught> tux_: I just use transmission-gtk on my desktop
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• 392[03:01:06] <tux_> I have never been able to successfully use any other remote torrent app
• 393[03:01:20] <tux_> so I just use ssh screen and rtorrent
• 394[03:01:37] <tux_> to securely manage torrents
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• 396[03:02:51] <tux_> I am looking for a remote solution that restarts after reboots from upgrades
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• 398[03:03:38] <tux_> I would like to get emails of what got installed though do you know how to set that up? I mean not local emails but on the web like gmail or outlook?
• 399[03:04:27] <tux_> thank you so much jmcnaught for the example in the arch wiki
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• 401[03:05:15] <tux_> I probably would have ran into the rtorrent lock problem thanks jmcnaught for that script
• 402[03:05:19] <cybercrypto> tux_: Do you want to run dpkg for listing packages installed and get the output sent to you via email? Sorry I did not get it correctly.
• 403[03:06:16] <tux_> yes I would like after each time my debian machine does an unattended updates I would like to get sent an email of what was installed
• 404[03:06:36] <tux_> to my web email not local email
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• 408[03:07:33] <cybercrypto> tux_: well... not sure if is that exactly what you want... but I manage to do that long ago using perl module for mail (smtp and smtps)
• 409[03:07:54] <cybercrypto> tux_: you can send to any mail address you want, even the local ones.
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• 411[03:08:06] <tux_> cool
• 412[03:08:11] <tux_> tutorial link?
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• 414[03:08:46] <cybercrypto> tux_: I am also thinking... you can do that esier compared to perl, with python.
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• 416[03:09:02] <tux_> yes I learned a little python
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• 418[03:09:12] <tux_> but I have forgotten much
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• 420[03:09:23] <cybercrypto> tux_: uff.... long ago... dont recall by heart... allow me to check old hard disk.
• 421[03:09:45] <tux_> okay thank you
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• 424[03:10:43] <cybercrypto> tux_: found two links that may guide you in the journey... perhaps it will trigger back your developer skills :-)
• 425[03:10:50] <cybercrypto> replaced-url
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• 427[03:11:22] <cybercrypto> tux_: I preffer realpython instead... chek it out
• 428[03:11:27] <cybercrypto> replaced-url
• 429[03:11:43] <jmcnaught> tux_: what you need is to configure a Mail Transport Agent (MTA) on the server that will forward mail to root@localhost to your personal email address. The default MTA on Debian is exim4, but there are simpler ones like msmtp-mta or ssmtp.
• 430[03:12:33] <cybercrypto> tux_: make sure you get all the inputs from unnatended upgrades piped to a log file, then trigger your python to parse and send it to external email addrees using smtplib.
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• 433[03:15:14] <cybercrypto> jmcnaught: I agree, using an MTA is also an option... but it will be another service in tux box, just to send a mail once in a while.
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• 436[03:18:03] <jmcnaught> I'd say that if you have an account on a mail server that will allow it, configuring a null mailer MTA would be the easiest, certainly easier than writing custom Python script
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• 442[03:21:20] <tux_> I guess I can just ssh login and read the logs
• 443[03:21:25] <tux_> :)
• 444[03:21:47] <tux_> but how do I just search for the updates in the mail log?
• 445[03:22:39] <tux_> pipe it to grep or something?
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• 447[03:22:45] <jmcnaught> tux_: just look at the logs in /var/log/unattended-upgrades
• 448[03:22:56] <tux_> cool thanks jmcnaught
• 449[03:23:15] <annadane> speaking of, does unattended upgrades tell you when you need reboots? or do you just have to check the logs manually
• 450[03:24:13] <jmcnaught> I don't use unattended-upgrades, but I also don't have very many systems that I need to keep up to date
• 451[03:24:30] <annadane> i don't think i ever will either, for my desktop
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• 454[03:26:22] <LtL> annadane: I don't do unattended, but I do like the needrestart package.
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• 456[03:26:59] <annadane> see, i know needrestart exists
• 457[03:27:03] <annadane> i just... haven't used it
• 458[03:27:09] <annadane> i probably should
• 459[03:27:10] <LtL> needrestart is part of a larger package, i just install needrestart
• 460[03:27:28] <tux_> what does needrestart do?
• 461[03:27:33] <annadane> it's not, you're thinking of checkrestart
• 462[03:27:42] <annadane> it checks for outdated binaries
• 463[03:28:22] <LtL> tux_: any upgrades completed it will advise you as to what could need restarting, and will do it for you if you wish.
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• 465[03:28:51] <tux_> oh so you don't have to do a full reboot? LtL
• 466[03:29:18] <LtL> it can run any time you want also. you rarely need a full reboot.
• 467[03:29:41] <annadane> full reboots are basically what, kernel + microcode updates
• 468[03:29:52] <cybercrypto> tux_: just a sec, please
• 469[03:29:57] <annadane> but for example upgrading virt-manager would require you to restart the service for it
• 470[03:30:50] <LtL> kernel + firmware = reboots, anything else can be restarted
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• 473[03:31:01] <jmcnaught> dbus also needs a reboot
• 474[03:31:02] <LtL> most anything else
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• 478[03:32:21] <tux_> I am going to restart but my other connected irc user will still be here however so I will still see posts. I want to see if that unit service works.
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• 480[03:33:22] <annadane> meh
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• 482[03:33:28] <annadane> i'll install needrestart i guess
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• 510[03:57:53] <cybercrypto> tux_, you there?
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• 512[03:58:21] <usney> I am
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• 514[03:58:31] <usney> I am tux also cybercrypto
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• 519[04:00:27] <cybercrypto> usney: ok
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• 521[04:00:41] <usney> do you need to tell me something?
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• 523[04:01:34] <usney> the other issue I was working on is not working journal -xe says something about ufw and my network card's name
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• 525[04:01:56] <usney> the systemd unit script me and jmcnaught were working on
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• 529[04:04:23] <usney> I think perhaps I need to have the unit script start after this other unit script
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• 533[04:05:37] <tux_> I am back cybercrypto
• 534[04:05:40] <cybercrypto> usney: yeap, here is an example using python for sending external mail to google.
• 535[04:05:52] <cybercrypto> tux_: replaced-url
• 536[04:06:05] <usney> thanks
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• 538[04:07:18] <cybercrypto> tux_: you will get reject by Google, if your settings are blocking 'non-secure-apps'. SO I recommend you to change it on the google website (you will have the link when you try to login) and send a test message to yourself.
• 539[04:08:38] <cybercrypto> tux_: from there, you will just need to create a dummy google account (dont think you will be using your personal one.. it is up to you) and enhance the python script to get the debian unnattended log file contents, into you 'message' variable.
• 540[04:08:53] <cybercrypto> tux_: good luck and have fun"
• 541[04:08:55] <cybercrypto> tux_: good luck and have fun!
• 542[04:09:26] <plouj> where can I find a working mirror of replaced-url
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• 550[04:16:05] <plouj> nvm, found it at replaced-url
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• 552[04:17:45] <zoredache> plouj: the buster/sid link seems to be fine
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• 573[04:36:28] <tux_> jmcnaught replaced-url
• 574[04:37:44] <Kremator> folks, historically what made debian differentiate from other distro's back in its beggining? was APT the major player making Debian well.... begin Debian?
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• 577[04:38:40] <annadane> i wasn't around for it but yes, people liked apt
• 578[04:38:59] <annadane> but tux_ does have a support question and #debian-offtopic is a better place for discussion
• 579[04:39:00] <zoredache> don't think apt was added until like 2.2ish? I know I switched From redhat because of RPM hell though
• 580[04:39:21] <Kremator> annadane, which were the diff between slackware (back then) and let's say debian 2
• 581[04:39:28] <annadane> dunno
• 582[04:39:35] <dvs> It's because debian does a lot of testing and doesn't update packages willy-nilly
• 583[04:39:46] <Kremator> zoredache, exactly, i want to know what made debian differentiate from other distros back in its early versions
• 584[04:39:57] <annadane> #debian-offtopic
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• 586[04:40:31] <Kremator> annadane, oh c'mon it is distro related and nobody is asking a tehcnical question at the moment
• 587[04:40:44] <Sveta> Kremator: tux_ is.
• 588[04:40:47] <zoredache> not sure why a question about Debian is offtopic for #debian.
• 589[04:40:57] <annadane> i said tux_ had a question
• 590[04:41:03] <annadane> otherwise i'd probably let it slide
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• 594[04:43:04] <zoredache> tux_: may need to add more context to his question. I am not sure people in the channel are all going to try to scroll back over the last hour to follow everything. Maybe by adding the current systemd until to the past or something. Maybe needs to add the output if they run the command directly at a shell.
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• 596[04:44:43] <tux_> replaced-url
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• 598[04:48:57] <zoredache> why forking?
• 599[04:49:56] <ross`> I fixed my nvidia issues by manually upgrading to 430
• 600[04:50:00] <ross`> and by downgrading my kernel
• 601[04:51:01] <ross`> 418.74 is failing to load nvidia_drm into the kernel on boot for 4.19.0-4-amd64 and 4.19.0-5-amd64
• 602[04:51:47] <usney> ? zoredache
• 603[04:52:28] <zoredache> usney: just trying to understand why your unit is forking. Not sure I understand why you would have that
• 604[04:55:40] <usney> dunno I copied the unit from arch wiki like jmcnaught recommended to do
• 605[04:56:29] <zoredache> Anyway so are there any screen sessions running right now? What happens if you just run the screen command directly?
• 606[04:56:44] <jmcnaught> usney: the unit examples on the arch wiki might not actually be that great, but presumably they worked for someone. Did you try running the ExecStart= command directly in your shell?
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• 608[04:57:01] <usney> no
• 609[04:57:05] <usney> let me try
• 610[04:57:19] <zoredache> My screen+interactive units look more like this. replaced-url
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• 613[04:57:53] <zoredache> Maybe try adjusting your ExecStart to just fire off /bin/bash temporarily instead of rtorrent
• 614[04:58:24] <zoredache> See if you can just get a basic shell working in a screen session
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• 616[05:00:06] <zoredache> though mostly I have switch over all my usage to tmux these days
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• 625[05:07:34] <KoSakash98> I am super horny & already wet. Join & watch my Live and let's have fun together. Free for the next 3 members. The fun is guaranteed!! Link ---> replaced-url
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• 661[05:27:44] <usney> hey guys I solved my issue I will pastebin what I did jmcnaught cybercrypto zoredache
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• 667[05:31:28] <usney> I rebooted and it worked
• 668[05:31:33] <usney> yay!
• 669[05:31:38] <usney> I solved it all on my own
• 670[05:32:18] <annadane> what's the command again...
• 671[05:32:27] <annadane> damnit
• 672[05:32:37] <usney> what command?
• 673[05:32:55] <annadane> like the "congratulations, user" thing dpkg has
• 674[05:33:30] <annadane> !win usney
• 675[05:33:30] <dpkg> Congratulations, usney! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
• 676[05:33:34] <annadane> there it is
• 677[05:35:17] <Psi-Jack> heh
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• 680[05:38:33] <tux_> I am usney too
• 681[05:38:40] <tux_> here is how I solved my issue
• 682[05:38:55] <tux_> I slightly modified the unit script from arch wiki
• 683[05:38:57] <tux_> here it is
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• 685[05:39:28] <tux_> save it in /etc/systemd/system/rtorrent@.service
• 686[05:39:31] <tux_> replaced-url
• 687[05:39:44] <tux_> use a text editor like nano
• 688[05:39:54] <tux_> then after you save it
• 689[05:40:13] <pingfloyd> usney: you've taken your first step into a larger world.
• 690[05:40:30] <tux_> systemctl enable rtorrent@tux
• 691[05:40:47] <tux_> enter your password
• 692[05:40:50] <tux_> then reboot
• 693[05:40:56] <tux_> then it works
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• 695[05:41:01] <tux_> ya
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• 718[05:48:00] <blastwave> curious if anyone has any world class slow hardware running Debian sid.
• 719[05:48:43] * blastwave thinking about a hand crank babbage machine or better
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• 722[05:50:01] <jmcnaught> usney: that ExecStop=/bin/kill -9… I would see if you can successfully stop the service without that line (comment it out) or at least remove the -9
• 723[05:50:15] <jmcnaught> !kill9
• 724[05:50:15] <dpkg> No, no, no! Don't use kill -9. It doesn't give the process a chance to clean up after itself. First try kill -15; then try kill -2; then try kill -1.
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• 729[05:51:52] <jmcnaught> usney: if you comment out ExecStop= you'll also want to comment out KillMode=none)
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• 737[05:56:03] <usney> jmcnaught when I reboot it gives me two processes running for rtorrent
• 738[05:56:18] <usney> how do I set it up to kill old processes properly?
• 739[05:56:25] <usney> after that it should work fine
• 740[05:56:41] <usney> two screen processes
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• 742[05:57:01] <usney> oh I am being dumb
• 743[05:57:10] <usney> I need to kill screen
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• 749[05:59:14] <blastwave> anyone know how to set a better console font in buster or sid ?
• 750[05:59:32] <jmcnaught> usney: I would try commenting out the lines ExecStop= and KillMode= and seeing if you can still stop the service with "systemctl stop rtorrent@tux"
• 751[05:59:33] <blastwave> am currently getting 80x25 orso
• 752[06:00:11] <a0z> blastwave: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
• 753[06:00:28] <blastwave> a0z: beauty ... let me try that right now
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• 830[07:16:29] <moss> is there a bug in stretch irssi-plugin-otr
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• 906[08:50:17] <zero_> !parrot
• 907[08:50:17] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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• 911[08:51:17] <finn0> I'm getting this "atkbd serio0: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xab on isa0060/serio0). atkbd serio0: Use 'setkeycodes e02b <keycode>' to make it known." warning in my kernel ring lots of time. Here output of dmesg replaced-url
• 912[08:51:20] <finn0> help me with that?
• 913[08:52:07] <finn0> I found a similar bug report on bug.debian.org (replaced-url
• 914[08:52:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 938[09:08:24] <danielparks> Hey! When I bind to [::1]:3005 I don't seem to get 127.0.0.1:3005 as well. This is on debian 8. /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only is 0. I’ve also tried BindIPv6Only=both in systemd. If I explicitly bind to 127.0.0.1:3005 I can connect to it.
• 939[09:08:31] <danielparks> Any ideas?
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• 941[09:11:36] <finn0> Or, is it because of wrong key mapping? I found a article on stackexchange replaced-url
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• 948[09:14:57] <richard_w> Is there a way to build debian source packages without installing build deps? (same effect as "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa")
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• 950[09:15:41] <lupulo> finn0, from gnome-terminal -> man xmodmap
• 951[09:15:49] <themill> richard_w: what is stopping you doing so?
• 952[09:16:16] <lupulo> finn0, debian is not un*x, it is GNU/Linux from Stallman definition
• 953[09:16:33] <richard_w> themill: I occasionally get errors from debuild complaining about missing build deps
• 954[09:16:43] <themill> such as?
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• 956[09:16:57] <lupulo> finn0, un*x is not free and stackexchange has profit interests
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• 958[09:17:37] <lupulo> finn0, nowdays X hasn't that philosophy
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• 963[09:20:08] <richard_w> themill: Can't find the log right now. So dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa shouldn't require builddeps? I may have been mistaken here
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• 965[09:20:45] <lupulo> finn0, replaced-url
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• 968[09:21:23] <themill> richard_w: you probably want -nc there too
• 969[09:21:49] <themill> and -d
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• 973[09:23:26] <richard_w> themill: I see. Thank you!
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• 980[09:29:05] <jelly> finn0: does this happen only after a suspend/resume cycle?
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• 1048[10:14:06] <finn0> jelly: no, I've tried couple of minutes ago
• 1049[10:14:21] <finn0> lupulo: I didn't get it ("nowdays, X hasn't that philosophy")? could you rephrase it?
• 1050[10:14:31] <jelly> they're gone
• 1051[10:14:56] <Habbie> that's okay
• 1052[10:15:50] <finn0> jelly: are you talking about lupulo?
• 1053[10:16:08] <jelly> yes. lupulo left a couple mintes back
• 1054[10:16:27] <finn0> lupulo: Thanks for wonderful article and clearing my misconception about GNU/Linux.
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• 1056[10:17:18] <jelly> finn0: btw you have other stuff in that dmesg that may be more pressing, like those sata errore; then agian those might be a consequence of suspend/resume
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• 1059[10:17:54] <jelly> finn0: if there are firmware updates for your hardware you might try applying them and see if anything changes
• 1060[10:18:02] <Habbie> wow, that faq is really bad
• 1061[10:19:04] <finn0> Habbie: do you have better article on that? If so, please provide a link.
• 1062[10:19:19] <Habbie> i don't
• 1063[10:19:23] <Habbie> but there are several lies in this one
• 1064[10:20:22] <finn0> Habbie: for example. I'm new to Linux.
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• 1066[10:20:39] <Habbie> for example, that you'd have to pay a fee to use 'Linux' in the name of something
• 1067[10:21:04] <Habbie> it's also a very subjective article
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• 1072[10:23:57] <finn0> Habbie: As far as I remember Linux is register trademark of Linux Foundation that's why we've pay fee to use it. "It's also a very subjective article" That's fine.
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• 1074[10:24:11] <r1nt3c__> ls -l
• 1075[10:24:15] <r1nt3c__> sorry misstake
• 1076[10:24:18] <Habbie> finn0, you think debian pays?
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• 1079[10:25:27] <finn0> Habbie: I've no idea.
• 1080[10:25:33] <Habbie> ok
• 1081[10:25:36] <Habbie> well nevermind :)
• 1082[10:27:11] <Marbug> Hi, I installed zfsultils-linux on debian10 with kernel 4.19 (default) but I needed to upgrade to the kernel 5 for some issues I had with thunderbold. Although whenever I search for zfsutils-linux I still can find it, but whenver I do apt install it says the package can't be found. Can that be related to the kernel ?
• 1083[10:27:36] <finn0> jelly: There is no firmware update for my hardware.
• 1084[10:29:18] <jelly> ,v zfsutils-linux
• 1085[10:29:19] <judd> Package: zfsutils-linux on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u1; sid/contrib: 0.7.13-1; experimental/contrib: 0.8.0-2
• 1086[10:29:40] <jelly> dpkg, tell Marbug about contrib
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• 1088[10:30:18] <Marbug> jelly I followed replaced-url
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• 1090[10:31:06] <Marbug> at the moment I have buster, buster/updates, stretch and experimental (this last was needed for the newer kernel)
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• 1092[10:31:47] <Marbug> and like mentioned in the wiki, I used the preference.d to only select the package from that feed
• 1093[10:31:59] <r1nt3c__> clear
• 1094[10:32:07] <jelly> Marbug: I have no idea. Show the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy zfsutils-linux" and your failing command
• 1095[10:32:27] <Marbug> okido 1 minute
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• 1098[10:32:54] <finn0> jelly: From few days, I'm trying to fix all warnings and errors present in my system. Do you have any idea why am I getting "sata error"?
• 1099[10:34:21] <finn0> jelly: *ata: serror
• 1100[10:34:22] <Marbug> jelly replaced-url
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• 1102[10:35:24] <jelly> Marbug: you're mixing repos for debian 9 and debian 10, is that intentional or leftovers?
• 1103[10:36:06] <Marbug> jelly It was a fresh insall, and I used the other repos as it was the only one I found o get zfs working
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• 1105[10:36:24] <jelly> Marbug: that's not a supportable setup
• 1106[10:36:33] <Marbug> I see jelly
• 1107[10:36:40] <Marbug> so I need to remove the strech ones ?
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• 1109[10:37:28] <jelly> Marbug: go with full buster and comment out any stretch-related repos, and any pinning for those, as a good first step toward sanity
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• 1114[10:37:56] <Marbug> so also stretch-backports?
• 1115[10:38:11] <jelly> yes.
• 1116[10:38:32] <Marbug> and if I don't find the repo for a package I need, I need to compile it myself from scrach ?
• 1117[10:38:52] <klys> is buster frozen today?
• 1118[10:39:12] <jelly> klys: it's been frozen for 6 months now
• 1119[10:39:18] <klys> o cool
• 1120[10:39:55] <klys> I wonder if anyone needs testing
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• 1122[10:40:21] <Marbug> so jelly I removed all those other repos, and I still have the same issue, he policy is now much shorter
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• 1124[10:40:35] <Marbug> although, on the zfs wiki, hey only menion he stretch
• 1125[10:40:52] <finn0> jelly: And I can't report a bug unless and until I don't find which package causes it and how to reproduce it. Is it good idea to ask for help on debian-users mailing list?
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• 1134[10:46:07] <jelly> finn0: it's not a package that generates keypresses, it's a piece of hardware and/or the accompanying driver
• 1135[10:46:21] <jelly> the package would be linux kernel.
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• 1137[10:46:50] <jelly> Marbug: probably because the wiki assumes you have Debian stable installed, and stretch is stable right now
• 1138[10:47:13] <jelly> Marbug: did you remove apt preferences as well?
• 1139[10:47:28] <jelly> Marbug: and what fails to work after that?
• 1140[10:47:46] <Marbug> I'm running an apt upgrade as there where a few packages which can be upgraded (a few zfs ones)
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• 1142[10:48:17] <Marbug> I removed all the preferenced.d and accidently removed the pinning of my kernel 5 😅, but apparenbtly it's not uninstalling it so i's good :)
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• 1145[10:48:37] <Marbug> when I ran the reinstall command again it still couldn't find he zfsutils-linux package
• 1146[10:49:02] <Marbug> at he moment building the spl kernel module
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• 1148[10:49:12] <finn0> jelly: What do you suggest? Should I seek more help(on mailing list)? or, report bug.
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• 1151[10:52:23] <Marbug> well I'm still encounering the E: Internal Error, No file name for zfsutils-linux:amd64 issue :(
• 1152[10:53:03] <Marbug> ok nvm it's for all the zfs packages mm
• 1153[10:54:39] <Marbug> replaced-url
• 1154[10:54:46] <Marbug> it doesn't make sense :/
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• 1156[10:54:55] <Marbug> or is he package somewhere cached?
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• 1174[11:03:39] <jelly> Marbug: run an "apt-get update" and "apt-get -f install" and show the output.
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• 1177[11:04:06] <jelly> Marbug: is your / or /var mountpoint on an unusual filesystem type, like btrfs?
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• 1179[11:04:58] <Marbug> jelly nope, I actually removed all the zfs packages, and ran the install of zfsutils-linux and zfs-dkms again, and now it didn't mentioned that it couldn't find the package anymore, so I think we mlight be good!
• 1180[11:05:08] <Marbug> if it would fail, I will try your suggestion :)
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• 1185[11:08:23] <xongle> Hello, I've just bought a Jabra Evolve headset. Does anyone know how to get it to work under Debian?
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• 1187[11:10:02] <jelly> finn0: I'd search the web for the same message from other people who run linux on the same hardware (brand, model) first
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• 1191[11:10:34] <jelly> finn0: next thing I might do would randomly try a newer kernel
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• 1194[11:11:40] <booyah> there are new exploits from yesterday in Firefox. why I do not see them reported on security debian?
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• 1196[11:13:26] <booyah> CVE-2019-11708 that is reported in firefox on replaced-url
• 1197[11:13:59] <finn0> jelly: I'm digging on internet. I'm noticing this warning message from many months(probably at time of installation).
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• 1199[11:14:15] <Habbie> booyah, you can track it here replaced-url
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• 1201[11:14:54] <booyah> Habbie: so debian.org/security is more about the FIXED security bugs?
• 1202[11:15:02] <Habbie> booyah, yes
• 1203[11:15:07] <booyah> Habbie: where to track (mailin-list and RSS) known vulnerabilities in debian then?
• 1204[11:15:26] <Habbie> booyah, i don't know
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• 1208[11:17:30] <jelly> !tracker of doom
• 1209[11:17:30] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
• 1210[11:18:52] <Marbug> so jelly apparently it keeps on failing replaced-url
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• 1220[11:22:18] <jelly> Marbug: it's quite possible you're going to need a newer version of zfs dkms (kernel module source) to go with your newer kernel
• 1221[11:22:31] <jelly> Marbug: what do dkms logs say?
• 1222[11:22:56] <jelly> > Consult /var/lib/dkms/zfs/0.7.12/build/make.log for more information.
• 1223[11:23:04] <jelly> ,v zfs-dkms
• 1224[11:23:05] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.12-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.12-2+deb10u1; sid/contrib: 0.7.13-1; experimental/contrib: 0.8.0-2
• 1225[11:23:50] <Marbug> I'm not sure where I can find the dkms logs? or is that in dmesg ?
• 1226[11:24:04] <Marbug> bu maybe you are correct, and maybe I need to go he the experimental 0.8
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• 1228[11:25:32] <jelly> Marbug: line 59 of your last paste
• 1229[11:26:13] <jelly> dkms is a framework to automate building kernel drivers for drivers that come in source code format
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• 1232[11:26:51] <jelly> all installed foo-dkms try to rebuild their kernel modules every time a new kernel is installed
• 1233[11:27:11] <Marbug> ooooh ok!
• 1234[11:27:33] <Marbug> lets wait for the current install to finish a,nd I'll check that logs
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• 1236[11:28:04] <jelly> I have no idea how smart it is to mix different versions of zfs userspace packages and zfs-dkms
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• 1239[11:28:38] <jelly> you will have to consult zfs-on-linux people for that or hope someone in here has a clue
• 1240[11:29:05] <jelly> Marbug: there's a #zfsonlinux channel
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• 1243[11:30:24] <Marbug> yes jelly I asked here oo but didn't got a reply, alhough maybe now I have some reply
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• 1245[11:30:49] <Marbug> bu the log which was a bi hidden between the lines shows me indeed the issue: /var/lib/dkms/zfs/0.7.12/build/module/icp/asm-x86_64/sha1/sha1-x86_64.o: warning: objtool: sha1_block_data_order()+0x11: unsupported stack pointer realignment
• 1246[11:31:05] <Marbug> I'll check if I can get the experimental to work, and otherwise I fear that I will need to wait :(
• 1247[11:31:23] <Marbug> ah so apparenly it can work on the kernel 5 :)
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• 1255[11:38:30] <nifker> when I open mumble on debian buster I get no sound from mumble but other applications suffer(i.e. the sound sounds really like its crackling) e.g. replaced-url
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• 1269[11:45:04] <nifker> ok nevermind its not on the track
• 1270[11:45:17] <nifker> but it only happens with the ALC1220
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• 1275[11:50:29] <Marbug> jelly I got 0.8 installed without errors on the kernel 5 :)
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• 1284[11:57:11] <stevenm> hey do I need nftables, netfilter-persistent or both?
• 1285[11:57:21] <stevenm> it seems both install a systemd service
• 1286[11:57:43] <stevenm> but obviously netfilter-persistent isn't a utility for setting up rules
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• 1288[11:59:37] <JPT> netfilter-persistent sounds like a tool to save active nftables rules into a file, so they can be reloaded after a reboot
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• 1291[12:00:01] <JPT> there's something similar for iptables - not sure about the package name, but it provides the tools "iptables-save" and "iptables-restore"
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• 1293[12:00:33] <ksk> might just be in the iptables package?
• 1294[12:00:58] <ksk> (Yes, it is)
• 1295[12:01:21] <Habbie> yes
• 1296[12:01:33] <JPT> In Debian testing, there is "iptables-persistent" :)
• 1297[12:01:50] <Habbie> debian testing ships the iptables-save manpage but not the tool
• 1298[12:02:20] <JPT> Well - if you really care about keeping your ruleset across reboots, make sure to set up a mechanism that takes care of that for you. :)
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• 1301[12:03:50] <Zesk> Hello, do you know if OCFS2 is still interesting to use with DRBD nowaday?
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• 1307[12:07:17] <mojikun> ian murdock the forefather of matt murdock
• 1308[12:07:26] <mojikun> creator of debian
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• 1312[12:09:05] <ksk> oh, buster. sorry then :)
• 1313[12:09:26] <nifker> how do I search for a file for a package?
• 1314[12:09:41] <ksk> of a package? "dpkg -L $pkg" lists pkg its contents
• 1315[12:09:54] <ksk> "dpkg -S /some/file" shows which pkg a file belongs to
• 1316[12:10:00] <ksk> nifker: man dpkg
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• 1350[12:41:31] <jaydemir> trying to play a copy-protected DVD but once I get past the main menu it stops playing. I have libdvd-pkg installed. Is there any other package I would need?
• 1351[12:41:47] <anikras> hi, I would like to use rsync to copi one directory except two sub directories
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• 1353[12:42:26] <anikras> someone knows if I need a relative path or absolute on exclude option in rsync ¿
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• 1364[12:48:46] <ksk> anikras: man rsync? you can feed it with patterns to exclude
• 1365[12:49:43] <ksk> "excludes file matching PATTERN" - I would say you could do both and relative pathes, depending on how you build the pattern.. ;)
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• 1379[12:57:45] <ksk> yo. can anyone tell me about the status of wireguard (in buster?) Is it cool to use?
• 1380[12:57:48] <ksk> ,v wireguard
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• 1382[12:57:50] <judd> Package: wireguard on amd64 -- sid: 0.0.20190406-1
• 1383[12:57:55] <ksk> mhhm.
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• 1387[12:59:22] <ksk> Do you have some suggestions to a private VPN solution if I find openvpn certificate managment quite exhausting? :x
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• 1401[13:07:01] <Habbie> ksk, wireguard appears to be popular now
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• 1403[13:07:16] <Habbie> ksk, note that openvpn can also work with a single shared key
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• 1406[13:08:01] <ksk> mhhm, yeah, that might be a valid option, thanks.
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• 1410[13:09:37] <ksk> wireguard.com suggest to just install it from upstream (and includes some apt-pinning), might also give that a try.
• 1411[13:09:47] <ksk> eh, to install it from unstable
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• 1416[13:15:20] <anikras> ksk, yes I can used --exclude={'dir1','dir2',....}
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• 1460[13:46:51] <ksk> mhhmkay, wireguard seems to work really easy on a "ubuntu/lxd/debian" <-> "windows" scenario. took me like 5min to set it up.
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• 1478[14:02:27] <litb> hello all
• 1479[14:02:37] <litb> will building an installer also build all packages from source?
• 1480[14:02:55] <litb> we want to build our complete debian distribution from source
• 1481[14:03:11] <litb> does it make sense to follow the instructions at replaced-url
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• 1483[14:04:54] <jelly> litb: it won't. the udeb packages in "download required udebs" are already binary
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• 1486[14:05:32] <jelly> > Here are the steps to build debian-installer and download required udebs.
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• 1488[14:06:02] <litb> hmm, i read that as meaning "the required udebs for the build-system". too bad
• 1489[14:06:43] <litb> jelly, we use debian in the embedded field and want to make sure that one can re-build the distributed debian using the source code that we provide alongside
• 1490[14:06:57] <jelly> if you want to build everything from source, look at replaced-url
• 1491[14:07:07] <litb> jelly, therefore, we thought it would make sense to get all the deb-src of all packages and build them somehow
• 1492[14:07:51] <litb> jelly, ahh, thanks!
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• 1495[14:08:02] <litb> hope it will work automatically ^^
• 1496[14:08:04] <jelly> as you can expect it's quite a bit more work
• 1497[14:08:12] <litb> hmm
• 1498[14:08:33] <litb> we also thought that maybe yocto or buildroot is more suited for this. but then, debian is very easy to use for the developers
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• 1514[14:17:26] <litb> jelly, hmm, the bootstrapping page reads like it doesn't require the system to build already. but we can afford being on that system already. is there an easier way then?
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• 1533[14:22:42] <jelly> litb: rebuilding _everything_ is way out of my comfort zone, try asking in #debian-bootstrap over on irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org
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• 1538[14:24:52] <jelly> litb: bootstrapping is typically used for completely new architectures, if you're on the same architecture but still want to rebuild stuff for your distro, you can probably use debian's native build tools based on buildd
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• 1544[14:28:35] <jelly> ,v bareos
• 1545[14:28:36] <judd> Package: bareos on amd64 -- jessie: 14.2.1+20141017gitc6c5b56-3+deb8u3; stretch: 16.2.4-3+deb9u2; buster: 16.2.6-5; sid: 17.2.7-2
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• 1547[14:28:51] <jelly> ,v bacula
• 1548[14:28:52] <judd> Package: bacula on amd64 -- jessie: 5.2.6+dfsg-9.3; stretch: 7.4.4+dfsg-6; stretch-backports: 9.4.2-1~bpo9+1; buster: 9.4.2-2; sid: 9.4.2-2
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• 1551[14:29:59] <litb> jelly, seeing how there are cycles like this, according to DebianBootstrap: qt → poppler → cups → qt , it seems difficult to imagine it's an easy affair
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• 1590[14:59:39] <Soo_Slow> what s the better linux screen recorder - obs or simplescreenrecorder? In terms of both features and user-friendliness
• 1591[15:00:01] <petn-randall> Soo_Slow: Try them both and decide for yourself.
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• 1635[15:41:16] <CuteAlien> Hi! I've updated to Debian 9 this week and now it takes very long getting from login-screen (kdm) to a working desktop (kde). systemd-analyze seems to blame networking.service replaced-url
• 1636[15:41:37] <CuteAlien> my etc/network/interfaces are: replaced-url
• 1637[15:42:03] <CuteAlien> My setup is - connected per cable to dsl-router. Nothing else.
• 1638[15:42:29] <CuteAlien> I'm not very familiar with network setup - so if anyone has a hint what might be going on or what I could do I'd welcome it.
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• 1661[15:57:33] <petn-randall> CuteAlien: Can you paste your output of `systemd-analyze critical-chain` to replaced-url
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• 1663[15:58:03] <petn-randall> CuteAlien: Does eth0 immediately get a lease?
• 1664[15:58:51] <petn-randall> You can check that in the logs in /var/log/syslog.
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• 1666[15:58:53] <CuteAlien> critical-chain: replaced-url
• 1667[15:59:23] <themill> also, shouldn't that all happen in parallel to login, and can systemd-analyze actually see what is happening between kdm login and responsive session?
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• 1670[15:59:55] <themill> CuteAlien: encrypted $HOME?
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• 1672[16:00:05] <greycat> I suspect the DHCP delay is ongoing while the login is happening.
• 1673[16:00:08] <CuteAlien> themill, I don't know. I only found out about systemd-analyse from some random internet post about similar troubles. But it kinda fits the time-span.
• 1674[16:00:32] <petn-randall> That wait time is before kdm gets started, though, so that's not your issue (but maybe a separate one).
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• 1678[16:03:09] <CuteAlien> petn-randall, but it doesn't take 20 seconds to get kdm started.
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• 1680[16:03:54] <petn-randall> Right, it should take close to 30 seconds according to that graph.
• 1681[16:03:55] <CuteAlien> uhm.. or maybe I should stop time on next-reboot, didn't feel so long.
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• 1683[16:04:25] <CuteAlien> yeah, kde-login to start of desktop ~ 40 seconds.
• 1684[16:05:00] <themill> I wonder if there's a kde thingy of some sort that is trying to talk to the network during login'
• 1685[16:05:04] <petn-randall> Note that systemd only measures the time until kdm, not until your desktop is started. That is something that kdm would log.
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• 1689[16:06:18] <CuteAlien> hm, I'll be back in a moment - rebooting and counting time until kdm. Then I can also have a fresh syslog (curretnly not sure which part to paste there fro lease of eth0.
• 1690[16:06:19] <CuteAlien> brb
• 1691[16:06:21] <themill> s/would/could/ I think
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• 1700[16:13:10] <f8e3> what external notebook screen do you recommend that works out of the box / is compatible with debian?
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• 1703[16:13:38] <f8e3> i currently have aoc+displaylink driver, and i am not willing to reinstall that stuff again.
• 1704[16:13:45] <jhutchins_wk> f8e3: I'm not aware of any monitor compatibility issues.
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• 1707[16:14:18] <CuteAlien> OK, you were right - it's the time until kdm has started (cricital chain says 33sec this time, hand-stopped 37s). So the time kdm to KDE-desktop is not related to this (was 1 minute this time).
• 1708[16:14:21] <f8e3> the aoc E1659FWU should work out of the box?
• 1709[16:16:26] <petn-randall> CuteAlien: You can remove the eth0 entry in /etc/network/interfaces and configure it via network-manager, which would shave off a few seconds. But for the login issue you'll have to check the session logs.
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• 1712[16:18:31] <f8e3> (if y have a rec. or one running and satisifed feel free to mention it)
• 1713[16:19:42] <petn-randall> f8e3: What do you mean with notebook screen? Do you mean a regular screen plugged in via VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort?
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• 1715[16:19:52] <petn-randall> *external notebook screen
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• 1718[16:20:18] <f8e3> usb (or other) but portable with powersupply only from notebook
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• 1721[16:21:41] <CuteAlien> petn-randall, thanks. I'll try to figure it out. my syslog for last boot (in case you can see that eth0 lease information): replaced-url
• 1722[16:21:49] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: You think Network Manager is faster than an interfaces config?
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• 1724[16:22:33] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: I sometimes is, especially if you have a lot of pre-up/post-up scripts.
• 1725[16:23:28] <CuteAlien> Where can I find sessions scripts which might give a hint about KDE startup time troubles?
• 1726[16:23:37] <CuteAlien> session logs I mean
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• 1734[16:30:41] <pingfloyd> CuteAlien: ~/.xsession-errors
• 1735[16:30:50] <CuteAlien> pingfloyd, thx
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• 1742[16:34:04] <ctcx> When using dd to write an ISO to USB device, does it turn read-only, or stills writable?
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• 1754[16:41:34] <jhutchins_wk> ctcx: It's still writable, but it's not a standard filesystem that you can make changes to. What are you actually trying to do?
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• 1758[16:44:37] <ctcx> Write the Debian installer ISO to USB using dd.
• 1759[16:44:49] <greycat> then why are you asking what you are asking
• 1760[16:45:17] <ctcx> Because of stupid, and fear.
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• 1762[16:45:20] <ctcx> Sorry.
• 1763[16:46:03] <greycat> if you want to use the USB device for something else after you're done installing Debian from it, you'll probably need to redo the partition table from scratch, and then recreate file system(s)
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• 1766[16:46:33] <ctcx> Yes, I thought so.
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• 1773[16:47:47] <ctcx> I was just uneasy as in, after doing that, whether the Debian installer "partition" would still be totally writable. But given comment above, I guess not
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• 1775[16:49:04] <clemens> aaa3
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• 1781[16:50:40] <ctcx> greycat: do you think this replaced-url
• 1782[16:51:15] <greycat> Why would you ask me? I have no idea. I use CDs.
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• 1784[16:51:49] <ctcx> Didn't know. Sorry sir.
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• 1787[16:54:06] <ctcx> I also use CDs/DVDs, but realized not long ago that I contribute to pollution each time I need to get new versions of stuff, even if using re-writable disks
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• 1789[16:54:35] <ctcx> (and USB drives run a bit faster than disks...)
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• 1792[16:55:03] <humbot> a lot of these multiboot tools come and go ctcx, distros vary in exactly how they make isos and boot from them
• 1793[16:55:16] <greycat> In my case it's not a series of separate economic/ecologic decisions. I already *have* the stack of CDs. I've had 'em for a really long time.
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• 1797[16:56:00] <humbot> it's hard to say if this one will work, but it's not too hard to learn how to use syslinux and hack things around a bit to make it work
• 1798[16:56:01] <greycat> Most of them end up being used to create audio CDs, but a few get used for writing Debian installer images.
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• 1807[16:59:14] <humbot> i only just remade a debian 8 openbox usb which had run on and off as a normal installation with updates and data in persistence
• 1808[16:59:34] <annadane> i get frightened of CDs on principle due to the fact they can get scratched
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• 1810[16:59:59] <Tom-_> Usually the laser can shine through scratches
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• 1812[17:00:32] <annadane> it's also just really satisfying popping in a USB stick
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• 1825[17:05:20] <ctcx> syslinux seems to not been updated in a long time...
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• 1828[17:05:30] <themill> ctcx: I've never seen any of these "multi installers on one device" approaches work well with the Debian installer. You tend to get a slightly broken installer that just falls over and stops working at some late stage in the installation process
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• 1830[17:06:08] <greycat> if you're serious about pursuing it, I suggest the #debian-boot channel on OFTC
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• 1838[17:08:35] <ctcx> themill: perhaps because incorrect parameters in grub entry?
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• 1845[17:10:00] <zodd> what happened to DBD/DBI Ruby packages? They seem to be in Jessie, but not more recent.
• 1846[17:10:21] <greycat> if you know the package name you can look it up on the tracker
• 1847[17:10:51] <somiaj> ctcx: I think you would want to rebuild the installer image and use something like syslinux to do the actually booting. I've seen various methods for doing this with the live image.
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• 1851[17:12:23] <somiaj> ctcx: replaced-url
• 1852[17:12:47] <ctcx> Thanks. Reading
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• 1854[17:12:54] <theteju> Hey guys,, I need help,, My Firefox install is messed up on Debian 9 kde.
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• 1859[17:13:25] <somiaj> ctcx: now you may want to adjust it so you can then put all that info in some image file as opposed to a partition on the disk, but the hybrid state of the debian installer makes it really hard to chain boot the .iso as shipped.
• 1860[17:13:33] <theteju> I undestand,, asking for such support is not a valid question. as I tried to tamper with default install.
• 1861[17:13:43] <zodd> theteju, three options: try to fix it, create new profile, reinstall firefox
• 1862[17:13:57] <somiaj> theteju: well how did you install firefox?
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• 1864[17:15:09] <theteju> extract firefox.tar.gz file to /opt/firefox directory and then symbolic link to firefox-esr
• 1865[17:15:15] <Soo_Slow> does anybody there use openbox? Is possible to make it automatically undecorate (e.g hide window's title and buttons) all maximized windows?
• 1866[17:15:22] <theteju> that is how i installed it.
• 1867[17:15:28] <greycat> theteju: the first part of that sounds perfect, but symlink from /usr/local/bin/firefox instead of firefox-esr
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• 1872[17:15:56] <somiaj> theteju: I think that was your problem, the symbolic link it to firefox-esr, you don't want touch or overwrite files dpkg manages...as greycat said
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• 1875[17:16:37] <theteju> MY browser is working,, its just that,, it does not play any sound.
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• 1877[17:16:51] <greycat> upstream firefox does not have ALSA support, if that's what you're trying to do
• 1878[17:16:53] <greycat> it only supports Pulse
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• 1881[17:19:13] <ctcx> ^ did ALSA really became old? Or was it just another crappy decision of Mozilla?
• 1882[17:19:25] <theteju> greycat : I think I have pulse audio... The only reason I went with custom install is because.. Banking website kept throwing warning about browser being old. that was scary
• 1883[17:19:27] <greycat> It seems to be unique to Mozilla.
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• 1886[17:20:07] <greycat> ALSA works fine in google-chrome-stable
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• 1889[17:20:31] <somiaj> ctcx: it is more pulse became defacto in all desktops and it is easier to support one thing than two.
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• 1892[17:20:45] <netcrash> ctcx: I believe pulse works with alsa under the hood
• 1893[17:20:47] <somiaj> ctcx: so sure, crappy decision by mozilla, but the one they made.
• 1894[17:20:48] <theteju> Greycat : true.. chrome works flawless
• 1895[17:21:07] <somiaj> (they don't seem to care about those not using gnome/kde/or some desktop, like it is unheard of to run a minimial window manager anymore)
• 1896[17:21:17] <ctcx> netcrash: indeed, I have done that before.
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• 1899[17:21:48] <somiaj> Yea, pulse is on top of alsa, and offers feature alsa doesn't, hence desktops all switched to it. Finally a sound daemon that didn't disapear like all the other ones though time
• 1900[17:22:00] <themill> (chrome also prefers to use pulse)
• 1901[17:22:15] <ctcx> Anyway, I ended up preferring Pale Moon
• 1902[17:22:58] <ctcx> It even -still- respects privacy more than Firefox
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• 1904[17:24:06] <somiaj> My looking at palemoon ended once I saw a lot of the authors non-free stances on the changes.
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• 1906[17:25:08] <ctcx> somiaj: what do you mean, if I may ask?
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• 1908[17:25:45] <somiaj> ctcx: the main one was him forcing some distro to remove it from their repos because they changed something he didn't like.
• 1909[17:25:59] <somiaj> and in general I try not to support non-free software
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• 1911[17:26:51] <theteju> Let me guess : step 1 , remove /opt/firefox directory as root : step 2 - Purge firefox ; step 3 : reinstall ? Or should I just ignore and watch videos on chrome ... :)
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• 1914[17:27:25] <jmcnaught> ,wnpp palemoon-browser
• 1915[17:27:25] <greycat> You said you thought you were using Pulse. The first step would be to confirm, one way or the other, whether you are *actually* using Pulse.
• 1916[17:27:25] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1918[17:28:12] <greycat> If it turns out you're using Pulse, but upstream firefox still can't do audio, then you would want to diagnose why.
• 1919[17:28:19] <ctcx> somiaj: "try not to support non-free software". But palemoon is free... Or did I misunderstood something?
• 1920[17:28:34] <greycat> ctcx: the line right above that
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• 1923[17:29:03] <somiaj> ctcx: the branding is not, check the bugreport judd linked, it links to the bugg that cuased lots of trouble in openbsd.
• 1924[17:30:12] <ctcx> ohh
• 1925[17:30:23] <somiaj> ctcx: replaced-url
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• 1930[17:33:36] <somiaj> so anyways at a miminimum debian would have to rebrand it, which was a pain with iceweasel and I doubt anyone wants to deal with that. Plus the palemoon dev their rubed me the wrong way I will never use palemoon as a result.
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• 1940[17:35:20] <ctcx> "Branding"? The "Pale Moon" brand?
• 1941[17:35:24] <ctcx> I'm surprised, given palemoon is indeed open source...
• 1942[17:35:26] <greycat> "My app requires very precise library versions because I'm using parts of the libs that don't work very well, and I'm dodging bugs left and right" is exactly the sort of thing that snaps/flatpaks were built for, I think.
• 1943[17:35:43] <ctcx> Or I'm not understanding things about branding...
• 1944[17:36:01] <greycat> ctcx: the author is placing restrictions on the use of the software, or on its name.
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• 1948[17:37:19] <somiaj> basically debian would not be able to link it to the libs in the stable release (debian policy doens't like this) and debian will not be able to patch it (again debian will not like this) if they use the palemoon branding. So any matainer would have to basically make a fork of the project.
• 1949[17:37:21] <ctcx> Master greycat, this is why I got hooked to your advises
• 1950[17:37:32] <ctcx> (and I do work to not be annoying)
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• 1962[17:46:07] <gjt343> Are ER Diagrams standard practice to use in tech? Just found liquidcharts but wanted to see if anyone else knows of free / easy software for a newb.
• 1963[17:46:32] <greycat> since I've never heard of an "ER Diagram" I'm going to guess they're not very standard
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• 1965[17:46:53] <greycat> I can't even guess any expansion of the ER other than Emergency Room.
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• 1971[17:48:53] <jmcnaught> gjt343: did you check out dia?
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• 1975[17:49:45] <gjt343> jmcnaught, no, haven't seen that yet. I saw there's an option in DBeaver but can't figure out how to use it. Liquidcharts looks a bit better to use. I'll check it out though, thanks.
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• 1977[17:50:59] <theteju> Interesting : Pavucontrol ,, volume for AudioIPC server was very very low
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• 1979[17:51:25] <theteju> turned it up and problem solved
• 1980[17:51:31] <greycat> \o/
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• 1983[17:52:25] <gjt343> greycat: Are you working for a tech company? I'm relatively new to programming but trying to expand my knowledge and ER diagrams look like they would simplify building things out a lot if used properly
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• 1991[17:55:40] <greycat> !er diagram
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• 1996[17:56:01] <gjt343> !ERD
• 1997[17:56:02] * greycat shrugs, goes back to all the other things he's doing
• 1998[17:56:04] <ayekat> this, maybe? replaced-url
• 1999[17:56:27] <greycat> so it stands for "Entity Relationship"? Wow, that sounds like managerspeak.
• 2000[17:56:46] <gjt343> yes, Entity Relationship
• 2001[17:56:58] <greycat> or the kind of thing a C++ programmer would need to deal with the insane gobbledygook of Object Oriented (as presented by C++) Programming
• 2002[17:57:01] <ayekat> I think we were taught this in some class in high school at some point - and I was just puzzled by the fact that something like that is standardised and all, down to even the smallest little line you draw
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• 2004[17:57:20] <ctcx> Just until now I came to know what "ER" meant in that TV series (even though I never watched that)
• 2005[17:57:29] * ayekat .oO(... or was that UML diagrams? I can't keep those things apart...)
• 2006[17:57:52] <greycat> Well, I'm working in the medical field, so Emergency Room is obviously the first answer I come up with.
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• 2010[17:58:15] <greycat> Although most people here seem to prefer ED (Emergency Department).
• 2011[17:59:00] <NetTerminalGene> is there a command removing package with its dependencies without doing autoremove?
• 2012[17:59:22] <greycat> no
• 2013[17:59:37] <ayekat> ... autoremove exists for precisely that
• 2014[17:59:48] <somiaj> NetTerminalGene: aptitude does autoremove automatically
• 2015[18:00:21] <NetTerminalGene> necessary packages will be removed if i do autoremove
• 2016[18:00:28] <gjt343> ED like Erectile Dysfunction?
• 2017[18:00:31] <NetTerminalGene> i have dependency hell
• 2018[18:00:33] <somiaj> though I always like to look over the list (why autoremove exists) to ensure that something I wno't doesn't go
• 2019[18:00:53] <somiaj> NetTerminalGene: that sounds like another problem alltogether
• 2020[18:01:07] <greycat> gjt343: which is why I still prefer "ER" ;-)
• 2021[18:01:47] <gjt343> greycat: Yes, these acronyms are all very confusing. Well, I guess I'll skip this whole ER Diagram thing for now. One less thing for me to worry about learning.
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• 2023[18:02:10] <gjt343> although it does look useful. Probably file it in my pile of things to learn for later
• 2024[18:02:27] <greycat> Any tool can be useful, for the right job.
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• 2026[18:02:56] <greycat> Just make sure you understand the difference between the jobs of "writing this program" or "presenting my proposal for this program to $BOSS".
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• 2028[18:03:47] <greycat> (or "$CLIENT", I am guessing, with emphasis on the $ part)
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• 2036[18:06:13] <subcool> ok. stupid Q. - when i connect via wireless and ethernet, my computer acting like ethernet is the ONLY place internet might come from.
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• 2039[18:06:48] <subcool> ethernet is adhoc to another computer, im trying to transfer things over AND remain online.
• 2040[18:06:54] <greycat> there's only one default route
• 2041[18:07:14] <subcool> when i setup the adhoc network, i put the gateway as being my router.
• 2042[18:07:15] <jhutchins_wk> subcool: Unless you make the effort to bond the two channels together, one of them is going to be the default, and that will usually be the wired one.
• 2043[18:07:27] <subcool> how do i make it wireless?
• 2044[18:07:34] <greycat> change the default gateway
• 2045[18:07:41] <jhutchins_wk> subcool: Find out how to set a manual route.
• 2046[18:07:52] <subcool> for the wireless?
• 2047[18:08:05] <jhutchins_wk> subcool: THROUGH the wireless.
• 2048[18:08:06] <greycat> There is only ONE default gateway. It is for EVERYTHING.
• 2049[18:08:20] <subcool> ok....
• 2050[18:08:21] <jhutchins_wk> subcool: Don't just ask us for a formula, you need to understand what you're doing.
• 2051[18:08:22] <greycat> There is not "a default gateway for the wireless, and a default gateway for the ethernet".
• 2052[18:08:29] <gjt343> greycat: Yes. I get it, though ER Diagrams look a whole lot easier to learn than the actual programming itself. There is however a function I saw in liquidcharts that looks super useful. If you draw the diagrams up with the proper relationships you can export them and they will auto-write the code for you. Kind of like cheating in a way.
• 2053[18:08:41] <subcool> i think yall are confused.
• 2054[18:09:19] <somiaj> subcool: I think you are confused. If you don't like the default routes, you have to reconfigure them.
• 2055[18:09:35] <subcool> my Wireless is setup as DHCP, my wireless is MANUALLY setup to be adhoc, for which i put the Gateway to the address that lies on the wireless network.
• 2056[18:09:45] <jhutchins_wk> It is possible to set a route for a specific address.
• 2057[18:09:46] <somiaj> subcool: maybe start by looking at 'ip r'
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• 2059[18:10:04] <gjt343> greycat: I apologize btw, I totally posted this question in wrong channel anyways.
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• 2061[18:11:07] <subcool> somiaj, im not confused
• 2062[18:11:39] <subcool> default via 192.168.2.1 dev wlan0 proto dhcp metric 600
• 2063[18:11:40] <subcool> 192.168.2.0/24 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.3 metric 600
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• 2065[18:12:08] <subcool> LIek its supposed to be. WHen i plug in the ethernet cable... ill lose internet.
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• 2068[18:13:39] <subcool> i just lost internet - now im back. -
• 2069[18:13:40] <subcool> replaced-url
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• 2072[18:14:35] <subcool> brb
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• 2085[18:21:40] <subcool> back.
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• 2088[18:22:15] <subcool> Ok, so... am i still confused?
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• 2090[18:22:33] <subcool> or is this a bit more?
• 2091[18:23:58] <subcool> Both Nics have my router as a gateway, and both nics are on different networks. I was once told that the computer is trying to find the gateway VIA the route its not on. - SO.. Thus my further confusion. How do i make the Wifi Network the Default Gateway.
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• 2105[18:29:45] <whislock> Don't have two default gateways.
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• 2109[18:31:28] <subcool> I asked someplace else. - got an answer. i wasnt confused. - like i said.
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• 2113[18:31:55] <whislock> If you have two default gateways, you are confused, whether you claim to be or not.
• 2114[18:32:05] <subcool> i dont have two gateways. i have 1
• 2115[18:32:08] <subcool> 192.168.2.1
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• 2117[18:32:29] <whislock> And that is configured on how many NICs?
• 2118[18:32:34] <whislock> You said, previously, two.
• 2119[18:32:41] <whislock> Thus, you have two default gateways.
• 2120[18:32:52] <subcool> My question was how do i setup my nics' so that they understand that.
• 2121[18:32:58] <whislock> You don't.
• 2122[18:33:03] <whislock> Because that's not a sane configuration.
• 2123[18:33:13] <subcool> ok.. so- we are still dancing on this subject.
• 2124[18:33:16] <subcool> and i have an answer
• 2125[18:33:20] <subcool> that worked
• 2126[18:33:28] <subcool> is currently working
• 2127[18:33:31] <whislock> Okay. It's still not a sane configuration, no matter how you've fudged it.
• 2128[18:33:38] <subcool> thats why i asked.
• 2129[18:33:50] <subcool> but 'im confused'
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• 2131[18:34:01] <subcool> no- you all were confused. - and assumed
• 2132[18:34:07] <subcool> thats all there is to it.
• 2133[18:34:13] <whislock> I read what you typed.
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• 2135[18:34:24] <subcool> if you dont understand, ask. i can rephrase.
• 2136[18:34:59] <whislock> I understand perfectly that you want to specify the same default gateway on two different interfaces on two different subnets.
• 2137[18:35:23] <subcool> eitherway, you can see the dancing going on here. - i asked ONCE - someplace else, and was quickly answered
• 2138[18:35:40] <subcool> whislock, no- see. exactly. no- i just put it on both networks so EVERYONE would understand where to go.
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• 2142[18:36:07] <subcool> thus- how do i set it up, so that i can have BOTH nics running, and still reach the internet.
• 2143[18:36:13] <subcool> Easy -- EASY ---- EASY answer
• 2144[18:36:16] <subcool> not YOUR CONRUSED
• 2145[18:36:24] <subcool> - YOU ONLY NEED ONE NIC WITH A GATEWAY ADDRESS
• 2146[18:36:32] <subcool> FIXED
• 2147[18:36:39] <whislock> "Don't have two default gateways."
• 2148[18:36:42] <whislock> That was the first thing I said.
• 2149[18:36:48] <jmcnaught> just drop it please
• 2150[18:36:52] <whislock> So... You are, evidently, confused.
• 2151[18:36:55] <subcool> jmcnaught, im in
• 2152[18:37:00] <whislock> Dropped.
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• 2156[18:38:14] <choice> Is there a reason not to rename /etc/apache/sites-available/000-default.conf to default.conf?
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• 2158[18:38:33] <whislock> As long as the sites-enabled symlink is adjusted accordingly, not that I know of.
• 2159[18:38:49] <choice> whislock: Will adjust it of course.
• 2160[18:38:51] <jhutchins_wk> choice: The 000 assures that it gets read first.
• 2161[18:38:54] <whislock> ^
• 2162[18:39:12] <whislock> Was about to say, if your sites are order-dependent, watch out for that.
• 2163[18:39:21] <choice> Ok
• 2164[18:39:26] <choice> I think they are not order dependant.
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• 2166[18:39:48] <whislock> default may have "global" configuration elements in it that need to be read first, as jhutchins said.
• 2167[18:39:49] <vvor> Do not think! verify :)
• 2168[18:40:08] <jmcnaught> Or, don't change stuff you don't need to.
• 2169[18:40:30] <vvor> Yep...
• 2170[18:40:31] <choice> I only have default.conf and default-ssl.conf
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• 2172[18:41:07] <choice> They both define LogFormat, CustomLog and ErrorLog etc
• 2173[18:41:15] <choice> Can I delete that from one of the files?
• 2174[18:41:32] <jmcnaught> choice: what are you trying to accomplish?
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• 2176[18:41:56] <choice> jmcnaught: A clean config that is easy to understand and maintain.
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• 2178[18:42:54] <jmcnaught> choice: you read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz ?
• 2179[18:43:19] <choice> jmcnaught: I read that daily.
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• 2182[18:44:40] <jmcnaught> choice: well you can organize /etc/apache2 however you want. I generally try to leave default files unmodified so I don't get asked about them during upgrades. You don't even really need to have the 000-default.conf site enabled if all of your sites are configured from different files.
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• 2184[18:45:07] <choice> jmcnaught: There are no different files. Only default.conf and default-ssl.conf
• 2185[18:45:17] <choice> I think I will rename default.conf to 000-default.conf again.
• 2186[18:45:21] <choice> So that it is read first.
• 2187[18:45:38] <choice> And then remove the overlapping sections like Log definition from default-ssl.conf
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• 2189[18:46:14] <jmcnaught> choice: the idea with Debian's directory structure is you create a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ for each site you want to host. Each of those files would have a <VirtualHost> definition in it, and can be toggled on/off with a2ensite and a2dissite
• 2190[18:46:54] <choice> jmcnaught: That's not how I organize it.
• 2191[18:47:15] * greycat never quite understood the "turning off" part... like, do they assume you're a middleman for multiple independent site-holders, and you turn off their sites if they don't pay?
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• 2194[18:49:23] <nuuuciano> the order of users in the passwd file is always the same? I mean, if we change passwords, the order remain listed as creation time?
• 2195[18:49:31] <jmcnaught> choice: that's what it's designed to accomodate, separate config files for each site
• 2196[18:49:46] <choice> Define "it".
• 2197[18:50:03] <jmcnaught> choice: the way that Debian's apache2 package organizes /etc/apache2
• 2198[18:50:22] <greycat> The only time the ordering of lines in /etc/passwd matters is if you define multiple users with the same UID.
• 2199[18:50:24] <choice> Maybe. I don't organize it that way.
• 2200[18:51:06] <greycat> And changing password doesn't actually touch the /etc/passwd file at all. It only touches /etc/shadow.
• 2201[18:51:21] <jmcnaught> choice: you don't have to, but if you use it that way you can get away without modifying any of the conffiles provided by the package, and not have to worry about conffile questions during an upgrade
• 2202[18:52:07] <choice> I have had all my hosts in 000-default.conf and default-ssl.conf for years now and never got questions.
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• 2205[18:52:54] <greycat> That sounds unusual, but if it works for you, that's what matters.
• 2206[18:53:18] <choice> If I got questions, I surely replied with "Leave my files alone, bitch!".
• 2207[18:53:26] <choice> Not sure why any update should touch my configs.
• 2208[18:53:39] <karlpinc> choice: The problem with that is that you can't see recommended changes to the default configs.
• 2209[18:53:54] <karlpinc> choice: Not a big deal, but helpful at times.
• 2210[18:53:57] <choice> karlpinc: Why would a security update want to change my config?
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• 2213[18:54:29] <karlpinc> choice: Could happen. Mostly happens with major release upgrades.
• 2214[18:54:34] <jmcnaught> choice: it's usually major release dist-upgrades where conffiles might change, and where you want to minimize the amount of interaction required for the upgrade
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• 2216[18:54:40] <choice> karlpinc: Major release upgrade of what?
• 2217[18:54:52] <greycat> A security update that wants/needs a config change is *rare*, but it has happened with Samba. And possibly with BIND 9, not sure about that one.
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• 2219[18:55:26] <choice> jmcnaught: I don't never upgrade debian to a new major version. I just copy my files over to a new VM with the new version.
• 2220[18:55:28] <nuuuciano> greycat, thanks a lot!
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• 2223[18:56:09] <jmcnaught> choice: heh well you're missing out on one of the great features of Debian, the ability to upgrade from release to release
• 2224[18:56:24] <choice> jmcnaught: Maybe. I don't know. I never do it.
• 2225[18:56:29] <choice> And I don't plan to :)
• 2226[18:57:06] <choice> All files that are *mine* are written and edited by *me* and *me* only.
• 2227[18:57:12] <choice> I don't want scripts to touch them.
• 2228[18:57:15] <karlpinc> Upgrading from major release to major release is way easier than migrating everything to a new box, assuming you follow the instructions in the release notes.
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• 2231[18:58:23] <choice> karlpinc: I need to know how to deploy the system to a new machine anyhow.
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• 2245[19:03:22] <jhutchins_wk> choice: The modular config files are not required for apache, it's possible to have a monolithic config.
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• 2251[19:04:34] <alyx> hi, am I correct in my interpretation that debian/kfreebsd is dead now?
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• 2254[19:04:54] <jhutchins_wk> !kfreebsd
• 2255[19:04:54] <dpkg> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures since Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns. replaced-url
• 2256[19:05:20] <alyx> oh neat
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• 2261[19:07:02] <annadane> yeah i've heard so many people say "i always install fresh"
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• 2263[19:07:20] <annadane> or that "release upgrades break" when there's also a bunch of people who say release upgrades are fine
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• 2267[19:07:25] <annadane> guess those folks just didn't do it properly
• 2268[19:07:43] <greycat> It's a choice that some people make, although it's not a common choice in Debian, since one of Debian's main strengths is a supported in-place release upgrade path.
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• 2272[19:08:12] <somiaj> well fwiw, my stretch->buster upgrade was painless, took about 20mins, no errors (though I have a minimual system and only had to upgrade about 1000 packages)
• 2273[19:08:13] <karlpinc> choice: I tend to keep symlinks to everything I've touched in /usr/local/ to keep track of what's custom in case I need to migrate. Others use revision control, or just do everything in ansible etc. It'd be fun, but I find it a bit of overkill.
• 2274[19:08:24] <velix> !timetobuster
• 2275[19:08:29] <somiaj> !buster release
• 2276[19:08:29] <dpkg> Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (replaced-url
• 2277[19:08:36] <velix> somiaj: yipee.
• 2278[19:08:53] <velix> somiaj: Wait, there is no pre-release party?
• 2279[19:09:04] <choice> karlpinc: I never touch anything in /usr/local/
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• 2281[19:09:19] <greycat> /usr/local is for *you*, the administrator, to use as you see fit
• 2282[19:09:29] <greycat> if you choose to do nothing, that's fine
• 2283[19:09:33] <karlpinc> choice: No, everything I've touched anywhere is made a symlink in /usr/local/.
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• 2285[19:10:03] <themill> /usr/local is also the place to put things when you want to break packages.
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• 2287[19:10:15] <karlpinc> choice: So I can look at /usr/local/ and see what's been done.
• 2288[19:10:36] <somiaj> and there are tools like stow to help manage local stuff in /usr/local
• 2289[19:10:47] <choice> karlpinc: You mean you touch /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf and then you put a symlink to it in /usr/local/ to remember you touched it?
• 2290[19:10:48] <karlpinc> (I often keep the originals in there too, so that I can diff.)
• 2291[19:10:54] <karlpinc> choice: Yes.
• 2292[19:11:08] <choice> karlpinc: Why /usr/local/?
• 2293[19:11:25] <karlpinc> choice: Because that's where the system does nothing.
• 2294[19:11:29] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: Fresh install has long been the only way to do RPM distros.
• 2295[19:11:54] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: It's also recommended for servers, because you don't have extended downtime while you upgrade, configure, and bugfix.
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• 2298[19:11:57] * karlpinc always allocates a whole day to do a migration on an rpm system.
• 2299[19:12:09] <choice> karlpinc: I never touched /usr/local/ but I see a bunch of stuff in there. So I guess the system *does* something in there.
• 2300[19:12:24] <greycat> what do you see?
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• 2302[19:12:38] <karlpinc> choice: It has a bunch of empty dirs, to "mirror" the system ones.
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• 2304[19:12:57] <karlpinc> !fhs
• 2305[19:12:58] <dpkg> Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See replaced-url
• 2306[19:13:10] <choice> greycat: Gazillion of things. Even a dir called "games" \o/
• 2307[19:13:17] <choice> karlpinc: They are not empty.
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• 2309[19:13:26] <somiaj> choice: if you do source installs, ./configure, make, make install, that stuff is often put in /usr/local too
• 2310[19:13:55] <choice> somiaj: So just another chaotic directory full of insanity :)
• 2311[19:14:15] <jhutchins_wk> replaced-url
• 2312[19:14:18] <greycat> choice: if you can name one of the files, someone might be able to guess where it came from. And ls -l will show you the modification time, which may give you a hint when it was done.
• 2313[19:14:19] <denebola> :)
• 2314[19:14:21] <somiaj> not at all, it is as greycat pointed out, a place for a system adminstor to put local stuff that is not part of dpkg/apt.
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• 2316[19:14:49] <greycat> choice: (an actual file, *not* a basic infrastructure directory)
• 2317[19:14:57] <somiaj> It is as clean/chaotic as you want to make it. Offical debian packages will not put stuff in /usr/local, so only thrid party or stuff outside of debian is put there.
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• 2321[19:16:07] <choice> greycat: /usr/local/bin/composer
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• 2324[19:16:34] <somiaj> choice: that is something you installed either with a .deb that isn't part of debian, or some other method.
• 2325[19:16:44] <choice> somiaj: Yes, I guess so too.
• 2326[19:17:11] <greycat> Well... there's a package named "composer" which is "a dependency manager for PHP". It's possible you, or someone else with root, installed a "newer version" of that on your system.
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• 2328[19:17:24] <choice> Here is one that sounds more like Debian is the source: /usr/local/bin/apt
• 2329[19:17:36] <greycat> Debian is absolutely not the source of that.
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• 2331[19:17:45] <choice> I wonder where it comes from
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• 2333[19:17:51] <choice> It contains some python3 code.
• 2334[19:17:52] <somiaj> choice: again, offical debian packages will never put a file in /usr/local
• 2335[19:17:52] <greycat> Maybe you did a backup of /usr into /usr/local?
• 2336[19:17:56] <jhutchins_wk> choice: dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/apt
• 2337[19:18:00] <choice> greycat: no backup
• 2338[19:18:21] <jhutchins_wk> malware replacing apt.
• 2339[19:18:30] <karlpinc> Well, migrating to a new VM when buster arrives will sure clean up /usr/local/. :)
• 2340[19:18:31] <greycat> Let's hope not.
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• 2342[19:18:44] <choice> jhutchins_wk: Ah, it was linux mint. That's why it is on my desktop but not on my server.
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• 2345[19:19:08] <somiaj> yea, you may find that your system is just to messy to upgrade and a clean install is needed (also if you don't nkow why these files are there, you may have other problems)
• 2346[19:19:14] <karlpinc> This is the one advantage of migration, you have to decide what to move.
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• 2348[19:19:40] <somiaj> choice: well we cannnot say what other distros like linux mint choose to do.
• 2349[19:19:55] <choice> somiaj: Sure not.
• 2350[19:20:23] <choice> On the Debian machine, there is only /usr/local/composer
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• 2353[19:20:38] <choice> And as greycat guessed, that's probably from installing a newer composer version via an external script.
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• 2378[19:31:29] <CuteAlien> OK, finally found something to make booting up faster. Replacing "auto eth0" with "allow-hotplug eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces did speed up things by 15 seconds. Network still seems to work.
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• 2380[19:32:23] <greycat> That change allows things that would have waited for the network to just assume "there's no network", and move on.
• 2381[19:32:56] <greycat> If you have anything like an NFS server that expects and requires a functional network infrastructure in order to start up correctly, that'll break it. If you don't, you might be OK.
• 2382[19:33:30] <greycat> If I were in your position, I'd still want to figure out why the network (presumably the DHCP negotiation) takes so long.
• 2383[19:34:04] <CuteAlien> hm, no, got nothing like that. Thanks for info. And yeah - I wish I could figure out stuff like that, but spend several hours on it already - I just got no clue about those things :-(
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• 2385[19:35:43] <hawken> what kind of switch is it connected to?
• 2386[19:35:50] <CuteAlien> just dsl-router
• 2387[19:35:59] <CuteAlien> EasyBox 804
• 2388[19:36:00] <hawken> mmm ok
• 2389[19:36:14] <hawken> if it was some managed switch it could have a 15 sec forward delay
• 2390[19:36:51] <hawken> but idk, if you need to network mount stuff then those 15 seconds are worth it
• 2391[19:37:15] <CuteAlien> It's a desktop system. No local network.
• 2392[19:38:06] <CuteAlien> Just PC + internet with cable on dsl-router.
• 2393[19:38:09] <hawken> glad you found a workaround tho
• 2394[19:38:15] <CuteAlien> yeah, me too :-)
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• 2396[19:39:29] <greycat> systemd-analyze critical-chain tells me "networking.service @5.808s +6.291s" here, which I can totally live with
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• 2398[19:40:03] <CuteAlien> I had 18s. Could have lived with it as well, but living faster now :-)
• 2399[19:40:46] <greycat> also "ifupdown-pre.service @312ms +5.448s" but I don't know what that is yet...
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• 2404[19:42:30] <hawken> usually a combination of the dhclient logs in daemon.log and dmesg will tell what's happening. in dmesg it should notify when the link is ready and the dhcp log logs the attempts to get an address
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• 2406[19:43:39] <greycat> 18 seconds is not a *really* long time, so it's possible that the DHCP server's response is just slow
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• 2412[19:45:35] <CuteAlien> is there a way to see response time without rebooting?
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• 2416[19:46:21] <hawken> dig into your logs, see what happened in the past :)
• 2417[19:46:26] <greycat> Read the logs. hawken named two places to look. There's also journalctl -u networking.service
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• 2421[19:46:42] <CuteAlien> yeah, the problem is the logs expect that you know this stuff
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• 2426[19:46:59] <hawken> CuteAlien: you might need to know about grep
• 2427[19:47:03] <hawken> grep dhclient
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• 2429[19:47:07] <hawken> (for dhcp log)
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• 2431[19:47:21] <hawken> and grep ens2 or whatever the interface is called in kern.log or dmesg :)
• 2432[19:47:22] <CuteAlien> my knowledge is dhcp gets ip. That's it. All other message - as long as there is no warning.. uh, yeah.
• 2433[19:47:38] <greycat> There are time stamps.
• 2434[19:48:05] <hawken> it'll be somewhat obvious when dhcp spits out the same message multiple times, "hellooo...? anybody theerre...?"
• 2435[19:48:23] <hawken> and in dmesg you're looking for something like link is ready
• 2436[19:48:35] <CuteAlien> the DHCPDISCOVER messages?
• 2437[19:48:44] <greycat> I think journalctl -u networking.system will be an easier starting point
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• 2439[19:48:52] <hawken> CuteAlien: yea
• 2440[19:48:56] <greycat> yes, DHCPDISCOVER is one of the things you want
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• 2444[19:51:42] <CuteAlien> it has 2 of those messages in a row with a 6second pause and the only difference is the interval number is 6 first and 11 second time.
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• 2446[19:52:11] <greycat> And what does that tell you?
• 2447[19:52:18] <CuteAlien> yeah, that's my problem - nothing.
• 2448[19:52:38] <greycat> Think about it. Your system sent a DHCPDISCOVER at the 6 second mark, and another at the 11 second mark.
• 2449[19:52:44] <hawken> ok let me explain it then
• 2450[19:52:59] <hawken> dhcpdiscover... ok if I don't get anything in 6 seconds I try again
• 2451[19:53:09] <greycat> 11 minus 6 is ...?
• 2452[19:53:11] <hawken> dhcpdiscover.. now I'll wait 11 seconds before trying again
• 2453[19:53:33] <greycat> hawken: no, these are timestamps, not interval lengths
• 2454[19:53:34] <CuteAlien> but doesn't tell why it discovers nothing I suppose
• 2455[19:53:37] <hawken> ah
• 2456[19:53:46] <CuteAlien> and yeah - looks like time-stamps (compared to timestamp in front)
• 2457[19:53:58] <greycat> Your system sent a DHCPDISCOVER message, and waited, and nothing happened. 5 seconds later, it sent another one.
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• 2459[19:54:42] <hawken> now you just need to find the timestamp when the link became ready and see how the dhcp messages correlate with that :D
• 2460[19:55:06] <greycat> Or better yet, find out why the DHCP server did not respond to the first request.
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• 2462[19:55:35] <hawken> with his setup, that's on the territory of asking isp what's up
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• 2464[19:55:41] <hawken> maybe the isp box is just shitty
• 2465[19:55:58] <hawken> presumably this is a LAN and the router is the dhcp server
• 2466[19:56:05] <greycat> If the DHCP server is on the other end of a remote link, then yeah, that would explain many things.
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• 2468[19:56:10] <CuteAlien> I doubt it (dual-boot system... only one OS has troubles).
• 2469[19:56:49] <hawken> I don't think windows waits on link, the issue may still be there but you don't really have a reliable way of knowing..?
• 2470[19:57:08] <greycat> I won't even try to guess what Windows does
• 2471[19:57:15] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. I read elsewhere that there was a vulnerability in vim or something that would allow systems with it to get hacked unless patched? Is this true?
• 2472[19:57:16] <CuteAlien> Yeah, maybe similar as now with the hotplug
• 2473[19:57:24] <hawken> does your ip start with 192.168 or 10. or 172. ?
• 2474[19:57:35] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
• 2475[19:57:36] <CuteAlien> 192.168
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• 2477[19:57:49] <hawken> then I think the router is the dhcp server
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• 2479[19:58:21] <CuteAlien> but first discover is on 255.255.255.255 - only after that it requests the 192.168
• 2480[19:58:34] <CuteAlien> and that one takes long (the 255.255)
• 2481[19:58:35] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: patching is strongly recommended, but it's not vulnerable in the default configuration.
• 2482[19:58:38] <hawken> heh.. in norway those boxes are often referred to as jallarouter
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• 2484[19:58:54] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, will an update do it?
• 2485[19:58:55] <greycat> 255.255.255.255 is a broadcast to the entire network
• 2486[19:59:11] <hawken> CuteAlien: so it works like this.. first it sends to any ip address (255.255.255.255) hey do we have a dhcp server? then when the router answers it can send a targeted request to the router
• 2487[19:59:12] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: yes, it's patched in stretch and in buster, just do the normal upgrade
• 2488[19:59:20] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, done.
• 2489[19:59:21] <greycat> (and jessie wasn't vulnerable to begin with)
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• 2491[19:59:47] <hawken> gotta go :)
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• 2493[20:00:10] <CuteAlien> ok, I assume shitty provider. Got it working now for my case anyway. On to next troubles ;-)
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• 2495[20:00:53] <greycat> (it's your local router, not the ISP)
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• 2497[20:02:25] <CuteAlien> greycat, OK. If you got any ideas I'll give it a shot. But it's fine this way as well now.
• 2498[20:04:03] <jhutchins_wk> CuteAlien: No reason not to set a static address and eliminate the dhcp call.
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• 2500[20:04:40] <greycat> yeah, that would be an obvious solution, since this is a home network under your control
• 2501[20:04:58] <CuteAlien> sure. If that's possible.
• 2502[20:05:22] <greycat> hopefully your DHCP address pool doesn't occupy the *entire* subnet address space (or hopefully you can configure it not to), and you can just pick a static address in the subnet address space but outside the DHCP pool
• 2503[20:05:56] <CuteAlien> I can pick a static - no problem. Just have to figure out how to do that.
• 2504[20:06:33] <greycat> Most home routers have a web interface. Connect to that, authenticate with whatever name/password you use for this router, navigate the web interface, figure it out.
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• 2507[20:06:52] <CuteAlien> ah, so nothing I set on Debian side.
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• 2513[20:09:00] <greycat> That would be the SECOND step, after you figure out how your DHCP address space is configured.
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• 2559[20:40:37] <DammitJim> if I want to use inotifywait... is that something that I just need to run on boot so it runs all the time?
• 2560[20:41:04] <greycat> It's a program that you run for a specific purpose, in a specific way.
• 2561[20:41:24] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
• 2562[20:41:40] <DammitJim> I'm trying to monitor that no new files are placed in a particular directory
• 2563[20:41:50] <DammitJim> if there is a new file placed there, I am triggering an email
• 2564[20:42:02] <greycat> That phrasing is a problem. You can't monitor for the *lack* of a thing.
• 2565[20:42:13] <DammitJim> sorry
• 2566[20:42:27] <DammitJim> that's very very badly explained
• 2567[20:42:38] <greycat> You want this monitoring to be forever and ever, from boot to shutdown, every time you boot?
• 2568[20:42:38] <karlpinc> DammitJim: "incron" can be helpful.
• 2569[20:42:41] <DammitJim> I'm trying to monitor for a new file
• 2570[20:42:42] <DammitJim> LOL
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• 2572[20:42:51] <DammitJim> si greycat !
• 2573[20:42:59] <DammitJim> incron? I've heard of incron... hhhmmm
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• 2576[20:43:13] <greycat> Then yes, you would probably write a service to do it, and turn it on.
• 2577[20:43:29] <greycat> This sounds like a bizarre project, though.
• 2578[20:43:40] <DammitJim> it's a 1 off, yes (for the test environment...
• 2579[20:43:49] <DammitJim> I have proper monitoring in prod, but have no licenses for test
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• 2581[20:44:01] <DammitJim> [so, I thought I could kind of script that
• 2582[20:44:04] <jhutchins_wk> We do that kind of thing a lot here. If file, process.
• 2583[20:44:05] <DammitJim> maybe that's the flaw
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• 2585[20:44:15] <DammitJim> jhutchins, with incron?
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• 2587[20:44:43] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: I'm not real sure. Could just be conditional code that runs periodically.
• 2588[20:44:50] <DammitJim> oh
• 2589[20:45:06] <DammitJim> yeah, that was the alternative (I was going to set up a cron job that runs every 5 minutes to check the directory for a new file
• 2590[20:45:14] <greycat> *sigh*
• 2591[20:45:16] <DammitJim> I just like the idea of inotify LOL
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• 2593[20:45:41] <karlpinc> DammitJim: I've used incron with web uploads. The webserver does the upload and puts the file in a directory, and maybe creates a control file. incron runs a script that takes the processing from there. Isolates the world-facing web server from the internals.
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• 2595[20:46:18] <CarlFK> is there an apt-get option to get this from there? voctomix-outcasts (0.9.1-1) experimental; urgency=medium
• 2596[20:46:30] <karlpinc> DammitJim: A cron job might be called for in any case. Inotify events are not _guarenteed_.
• 2597[20:46:52] <karlpinc> !tell CarlFK about ssb
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• 2599[20:47:39] <DammitJim> oh gosh, yes! inotify events are NOT guaranteed... I forgot about that part
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• 2601[20:48:36] <CarlFK> karlpinc: is that a very long and complicated "no" or did I miss it?
• 2602[20:50:12] <karlpinc> CarlFK: You can't mix releases. Backport instead. Or use "stow", or something else.
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• 2604[20:51:10] <karlpinc> CarlFK: My guess is that the package will get out of experimental and into sid when testing is released in about 2 weeks.
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• 2606[20:52:08] <greycat> "experimental" packages are meant to be installable on unstable, though. Not to work, mind you, but to be installable.
• 2607[20:52:28] <jelly> sometimes not even that
• 2608[20:53:00] <greycat> What's the opposite of cherry-picking, without the positive connotations... booger-picking? You can booger-pick a single experimental package. From unstable. Because you want your unstable system to be even MORE unstable.
• 2609[20:53:15] <annadane> nitpicking
• 2610[20:53:18] <CarlFK> yes - that. how?
• 2611[20:53:24] <annadane> er, no, i'm stupid, never mind
• 2612[20:53:25] <greycat> !experimental
• 2613[20:53:25] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
• 2614[20:53:45] <CarlFK> im about to reinstall the os, so perfect time to test something flaky
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• 2628[21:00:15] <Lady_Aleena> Has anyone come up with a raster to vector image converter yet?
• 2629[21:00:45] <greycat> I would imagine so.
• 2630[21:01:33] <Lady_Aleena> I can make png files easily, but svg is a pain in the butt. I would love to convert png to svg.
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• 2635[21:03:04] <greycat> if Google and DuckDuckGo can't find it, maybe ask ##imagemagick or some other dedicated image processing channel
• 2636[21:03:54] <karlpinc> Lady_Aleena: I've been using inkscape to make new svg files, FWIW.
• 2637[21:03:56] <jmcnaught> Inkscape has a "trace bitmap" feature under its path menu
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• 2639[21:04:46] <Lady_Aleena> karlpinc, InkScape's interface is intense and the top left corner of the image is not 0,0 for a new file.
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• 2641[21:05:49] <karlpinc> Lady_Aleena: Dunno about 0,0. Does it matter whether you save as an inkscape SVG or a standard SVG?
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• 2644[21:06:54] <karlpinc> Lady_Aleena: Anyhow, I would prefer dia, but it seems less and less maintained. And it's in python 2 and I see no movement towards python 3. My vague impression is that dia is on that long slow road to bitrot.
• 2645[21:07:00] <Lady_Aleena> karlpinc, it is that I have only used MS/Kolour Paint programs, so I am not comfortable with anything else.
• 2646[21:07:21] <jelly> going from pixmap to vector is always going to be tricky
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• 2648[21:07:39] <lope> Why is `who -a` showing me a single internet IP for 3 different users who are logged in, that definitely have different IP's?
• 2649[21:07:57] <karlpinc> I know how it is. When learning something new I try to pick something that I'll want to stick with. Long ago that started to mean "not proprietary software".
• 2650[21:08:17] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: tried vectormagic.com yet?
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• 2653[21:08:56] <karlpinc> lope: Perhaps there's an intermediate proxy?
• 2654[21:08:58] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I haven't tried anything like that yet.
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• 2656[21:09:30] <karlpinc> lope: proxy/jump host
• 2657[21:09:48] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: what _have_ you tried then?
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• 2659[21:10:27] <Lady_Aleena> I tried one site, can't remember which on once, and it lost most of my colors.
• 2660[21:10:49] <lope> karlpinc, how can I see the IPs of the users who are currently connected?
• 2661[21:10:53] <lope> via ssh?
• 2662[21:11:02] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, trying the site you recommended now.
• 2663[21:11:03] <lope> `who -a` is only showing my IP
• 2664[21:11:09] <lope> but there are other users logged in
• 2665[21:11:29] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: it was literally the first result for replaced-url
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• 2668[21:11:46] <lope> `who -a` shows my IP next to users who are actually logged in, who are not me. I am not logged in as those users.
• 2669[21:11:54] <jelly> (ok, I may have searched for "vectorize pony images" first)
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• 2671[21:12:52] <jelly> lope: w
• 2672[21:12:53] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, this isn't a big deal. Also, it looks like vectormagic.com loses some lines.
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• 2675[21:13:19] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: you WILL have to guide any tool like that to get better results
• 2676[21:13:25] <lope> jelly: `who -w` shows my IP next to every user
• 2677[21:13:36] <greycat> he did not say "who -w". he said "w".
• 2678[21:13:38] <lope> but if I check /var/log/auth.log I can see the REAL IP's of the users
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• 2682[21:14:09] <jelly> lope: and what does w say? Pastebin the output.
• 2683[21:14:20] <greycat> please wait 5 minutes while he fakes the output
• 2684[21:14:37] <lope> w shows the shells that the users are connecting (which is correct)
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• 2686[21:14:44] <lope> But it shows my IP next to all of the users
• 2687[21:14:51] <jelly> lope: can you show the actual output?
• 2688[21:14:59] <lope> oh dang. it is me!
• 2689[21:14:59] <greycat> Nope, the other response. "I won't show you, but I will type some random English words that my mind came up with while I looked at it."
• 2690[21:15:02] <lope> sorry
• 2691[21:15:22] <jelly> !win lope
• 2692[21:15:22] <dpkg> Congratulations, lope! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
• 2693[21:15:47] <lope> I forgot I'm debugging both of their connections in different ways in other tabs
• 2694[21:15:59] <karlpinc> greycat: (Don't knock looking. :)
• 2695[21:16:00] <lope> Sorry guys
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• 2699[21:17:00] <lope> I got confused because I literally saw the one guy working on the VM
• 2700[21:17:13] <lope> But in between the time I saw him working, and then I checked, he had logged out
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• 2702[21:19:01] <karlpinc> Don't get confused, get angry! (That way you can blame someone else.)
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• 2712[21:25:14] <jhutchins_wk> Lady_Aleena: I would look at imagemagick/graphicsmagick. I know they support svg, don't know if they'll convert but usually they can do any output they understand.
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• 2715[21:26:02] <greycat> generating a vector image from a bitmap isn't a "conversion" in the same sense as generating a jpeg from a png
• 2716[21:26:43] <jhutchins_wk> gimp can probably import png and export it as svg.
• 2717[21:26:47] <greycat> it would require a very dedicated, sophisticated tool, which would be doing a lot of guesswork
• 2718[21:27:13] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins_wk, greycat suggested that earlier. 8)
• 2719[21:27:22] <greycat> it's like generating a recipe from a plate of food
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• 2721[21:28:20] <Voldenet> If you need something to rasterize svg, resvg is nice
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• 2724[21:28:55] <Lady_Aleena> Voldenet, wrong direction, I want to vectorize raster.
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• 2726[21:29:07] <Voldenet> Oh, taking that back then
• 2727[21:29:22] <Lady_Aleena> Voldenet, that's okay.
• 2728[21:29:34] <Voldenet> I remember using inkscape for stuff like that, but it was extremely manual still
• 2729[21:30:07] <Lady_Aleena> Also guys, this is not a "I need it now" thing. I'm just looking into it for a project I will be starting next month after Buster drops.
• 2730[21:30:15] <annadane> he-who-almost-shall-not-be-named
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• 2734[21:33:34] <Lady_Aleena> I'm a little sad that graphviz isn't more sophisticated.
• 2735[21:33:49] <rant> Lady_Aleena: replaced-url
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• 2737[21:34:20] <rant> thats only in sid arm64 :-/ but seems to be the key needed to use imagemagick to do it
• 2738[21:34:33] <rant> otherwise you wind up with HUGE images
• 2739[21:34:56] <rant> replaced-url
• 2740[21:35:11] <jelly> what you say, svgs with lots of squares? :-)
• 2741[21:36:01] <rant> jelly: circles actually
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• 2743[21:36:17] <rant> looks like development stalled on that project like 15 years ago
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• 2745[21:36:49] <jelly> rant: that makes some sense as well
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• 2754[21:40:47] <rant> replaced-url
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• 2759[21:41:57] <Lady_Aleena> Graphviz output replaced-url
• 2760[21:42:15] <rant> ,i potrace
• 2761[21:42:16] <judd> Package potrace (graphics, optional) in stretch/amd64: utility to transform bitmaps into vector graphics. Version: 1.13-3; Size: 76.0k; Installed: 181k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2762[21:42:39] <rant> seems to be the most actively developed debian solution, can apparently be used directly or through inkscape
• 2763[21:43:34] <rant> says if you want color, to use inkscape cause potrace grayscales everything, but inkscape can seperate the colors and recompile them afterward
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• 2771[21:46:26] <karlpinc> I think it'd be less work to just draw SVG. In inkscape: put a grid on the drawing surface and snap to grid, To draw boxes use the rectangle tool, to draw lines use the freehand tool -- without dragging, just clicking, to put arrows on the ends use the object option that puts things on the ends of paths, text tool does text. Not so bad.
• 2772[21:46:57] <karlpinc> Don't forget to snap your text to the grid (snap buttons are down the right hand side of the page)
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• 2776[21:48:03] <rant> Lady_Aleena: this may be of interest to you replaced-url
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• 2778[21:48:38] <Lady_Aleena> I'm taking notes.
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• 2781[21:50:20] <jurrehart> hi all, a question a friend of mine has some trouble with a Debian 8 machine , it has dual HDD in SaftwareRaid 1 , wich is unable to boot. By using a resue image I was able to mount the disk (md2) and it sees that the following folders dissapeared "boot, root, bin , sbin, etc" Could this be a filesystem corruption ?
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• 2788[21:52:56] <rant> sounds to me like whatever you mounted was not the rootfs
• 2789[21:53:15] <rant> and also that you're dutch/danish would be my guess..
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• 2791[21:55:04] <jurrehart> the system in question has a single partition, and yes
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• 2793[21:55:17] <jurrehart> .. Belgian
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• 2796[21:55:59] <karlpinc> Lady_Aleena: I learned all of the above doing a diagram for 2 hours yesterday. I believe that "bounding boxes" would also be useful but don't know how to use them. I used the offical inkscape.org docs, and stackexchange for help.
• 2797[21:56:49] <karlpinc> jurrehart: If you mount the disks separately do they both show the same problem? (Are there backups?)
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• 2800[21:58:41] <HelloShitty> Guys, I have a question (please sen dpkg to my pvt, I like him)
• 2801[21:58:49] <HelloShitty> xD
• 2802[21:58:59] <jurrehart> karlpinc: we were able to extract the data needed from the server as the data was present in /var and that folder was still there
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• 2804[21:59:42] <HelloShitty> What is the difference between /dev/urandom and /dev/random?
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• 2806[22:00:00] <rant> HelloShitty: the u
• 2807[22:00:07] <jurrehart> karlpinc: with mount disks separately do you mean mount the /dev/sda2 instead of the /dev/md2
• 2808[22:00:09] <greycat> HelloShitty: man 4 random
• 2809[22:00:22] <rant> HelloShitty: /dev/urandom is less random, more uniform.. it outputs faster but contains less random information
• 2810[22:00:27] <greycat> The short answer: if you have to ask, always use /dev/urandom.
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• 2813[22:00:41] <greycat> rant: it's not "less random" any longer. Hasn't been for many years.
• 2814[22:00:51] <karlpinc> jurrehart: Yes. Just wondering. I'd expect them to be the same, but maybe one is bad and somehow the system can't tell.
• 2815[22:01:13] <rant> greycat: hmm.. more than 6 years?
• 2816[22:01:16] <HelloShitty> ok, going to see if man page can answer me
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• 2818[22:01:56] <jurrehart> karlpnic: tried with one of them but gave me --> mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'
• 2819[22:02:13] <greycat> rant: You'd have to ask ##Linux for the dates.
• 2820[22:02:19] <karlpinc> jurrehart: You could also install smartmontools and ask smartctl if it the disks think they are bad.
• 2821[22:03:05] <karlpinc> jurrehart: I don't know how to get around that error, although I'm sure there's a way.
• 2822[22:03:33] <burrows> when is Debian 10's official release date?
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• 2824[22:03:35] <greycat> rant: also, random(4) points to random(7) but it looks like random(7) is WAY out of date, and is not trustworthy. But neither one has dates in it, unfortunately.
• 2825[22:03:45] <greycat> !buster release
• 2826[22:03:45] <dpkg> Buster's release is planned for 2019-07-06 (replaced-url
• 2827[22:03:48] * rant may look into it at some point..
• 2828[22:03:54] <burrows> ty
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• 2830[22:04:27] <HelloShitty> I'm reading but it seems too technical to me but will reader further more
• 2831[22:04:36] <rant> greycat: there is a lot I'm likely outdated on.. was under a rock for over 3 years and came back to systemd and such.. still catching up :P
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• 2833[22:05:02] <jurrehart> karlpnic: I guest smartmontools will tell me more , was loooking in a copy of the logfile and found -->Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 176 to 171
• 2834[22:05:22] <jurrehart> karlpnic: I presume that can't be good ;)
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• 2840[22:08:24] <karlpinc> jurrehart: Probably not, although smartmontools can be wrong. It's probably right if you don't get absurd values for the other drive.
• 2841[22:09:07] <jurrehart> karlpnic: I have log entries for both drives
• 2842[22:10:23] <karlpinc> jurrehart: Well, if they both show lots of heat it seems unlikely that both drives are running that hot.
• 2843[22:11:38] <nuuuciano> I was looking at the shadow file content... and a lot of users have no password, instead they have things like *... how is that? where is that user password stored?
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• 2851[22:14:21] <nuuuciano> oh, found an answer here replaced-url
• 2852[22:14:45] <greycat> man shadow
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• 2854[22:15:52] <pddu37> Do you know Devuan guys ? #Devuan
• 2855[22:16:01] <greycat> Yes, we know about it.
• 2856[22:16:20] <pddu37> Please remove Debian from your systems and install #Devuan
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• 2863[22:18:53] <rant> pddu37: no thanks, please /part #debian and get a life
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• 2865[22:19:45] <somiaj> rant: no need to escalate things.
• 2866[22:20:02] <pddu37> somiaj is right
• 2867[22:20:31] <pddu37> and freedom of speech is right too
• 2868[22:20:48] <somiaj> pddu37: also devaun is off topic here, feel free to use the distro you want, but this is a support channel for debian.
• 2869[22:21:23] <pddu37> No need to escalate thins somiaj, i have understood
• 2870[22:21:27] <pddu37> thing*
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• 2876[22:23:41] <pddu37> I used Debian before through
• 2877[22:24:07] <greycat> If you have a question about Debian, you can ask it, but advocacy of other distributions is not welcome.
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• 2884[22:29:58] <pddu37> Is systemd on topic ?
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• 2887[22:30:14] <somiaj> questions about using systemd in debian yes. Rants about systemd no.
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• 2889[22:30:50] <javashin> hello
• 2890[22:30:53] <pddu37> hi
• 2891[22:31:19] <javashin> debian chromium have vaapi patches applied ?
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• 2893[22:31:39] <somiaj> javashin: I'm unsure, but you can check the source patches or changelog to see if there is any metnion of it.
• 2894[22:32:29] <pddu37> Can I ask one questions ?
• 2895[22:32:49] <somiaj> pddu37: just ask a question if you have one
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• 2897[22:32:50] <rant> javashin: replaced-url
• 2898[22:33:15] <somiaj> javashin: looking at the changelog, I see a commnet about fixing a error in the vaapi implementation
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• 2902[22:34:44] <pddu37> Well thank you, why debian chose to use systemd instead of alternatives
• 2903[22:35:00] <rant> "vaapi patch" is trivially vague
• 2904[22:35:15] <somiaj> javashin: I'm not seeing any debian patch that uses the name vaapi, but my quick search thinks that maybe it comes default in newer chroimum versions which debian has
• 2905[22:35:18] <somiaj> !why systemd
• 2906[22:35:19] <dpkg> a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at replaced-url
• 2907[22:35:35] <pddu37> Thank you
• 2908[22:35:35] <somiaj> pddu37: read that mailing list email, it is a good overview of all the init systems at the time and why debian choose systemd
• 2909[22:36:18] <greycat> I'd be curious to read a 2019 review but I suspect it hasn't changed much.
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• 2911[22:36:51] <pddu37> My guess is systemd was pushed by lobbies and corporation like redhat and the american deepstate
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• 2913[22:36:58] <pddu37> to spy on users
• 2914[22:37:11] <greycat> can we +q him yet?
• 2915[22:37:34] <pddu37> no please I'm reading now
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• 2938[22:49:14] <HelloShitty> guys, can one run an antivirus for a winows file in Linux?
• 2939[22:49:41] <HelloShitty> Someone I don't trust sent me a file know back in the days as a type of file carrying viruses inside it
• 2940[22:49:50] <HelloShitty> an I wanted to check the file
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• 2942[22:50:09] <HelloShitty> it's a '.scr' file an the guy told me it was a screenshot from MacOS
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• 2944[22:50:29] <jmcnaught> HelloShitty: check it with clamav
• 2945[22:50:34] <pddu37> Red Hat is a commercial company that has a
• 2946[22:50:34] <pddu37> wealth of reasons for its actions that do not apply to Debian.
• 2947[22:50:38] <leonlemouton> HelloShitty : clamav with clamtk
• 2948[22:50:47] <HelloShitty> ok, let me check that
• 2949[22:50:50] <HelloShitty> thanks
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• 2951[22:51:26] <somiaj> pddu37: you have yet to have an actual debian question, this is not the place to express your opinions.
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• 2953[22:51:52] <pddu37> This was on the link you gave to me
• 2954[22:51:54] <somiaj> HelloShitty: there is clamav, unsure how good it is, but it can do some virus checking for files on widows devices.
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• 2957[22:52:29] <HelloShitty> ty mate
• 2958[22:52:37] <somiaj> pddu37: this is still not the place to discuss why debian adopted systemd, this is a tired argument and doens't help actually support it.
• 2959[22:53:12] <pddu37> oh ok :/
• 2960[22:53:31] <leonlemouton> HelloShitty and freshclam...
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• 2962[22:53:46] <pddu37> my first distro was debian
• 2963[22:54:04] <HelloShitty> I'm going with clamav for now
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• 2965[22:54:41] <waylen> koreans such a losers
• 2966[22:55:02] <pddu37> why do you say this
• 2967[22:55:03] <EdePopede> HelloShitty: did you check already what filetype it is?
• 2968[22:55:30] <HelloShitty> yes. I said back there it is an '.scr' file
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• 2970[22:55:53] <HelloShitty> known back in the days as carrying viruses inside it
• 2971[22:56:10] <Habbie> HelloShitty, what does 'file' say it is?
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• 2973[22:56:44] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2974[22:57:07] <EdePopede> HelloShitty: file extension and actual file type may be completely unrelated. .scr sounds much like a windows screensaver though
• 2975[22:57:11] <Habbie> for windows, a .scr is a .exe with some specific constraints
• 2976[22:57:16] <Habbie> ah, as greycat linked
• 2977[22:57:23] <HelloShitty> ScreenShot_005_21_06_2019_231312226.scr: PE32 executable (GUI) Intel 80386, for MS Windows
• 2978[22:57:33] <Habbie> whelp
• 2979[22:57:36] <Habbie> that's not a mac screenshot
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• 2981[22:57:43] <HelloShitty> xD
• 2982[22:57:45] <Habbie> that's a windows screensaver, or something that pretends to be one
• 2983[22:57:47] <Habbie> it's definitely a program
• 2984[22:57:51] <somiaj> there is also ##windows for windows tye questions.
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• 2987[22:58:04] <Habbie> if somebody told you it's an image, they're lying, and you can guess what that means for their intentions
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• 2989[22:58:17] <leonlemouton> habbie +1
• 2990[22:58:18] <HelloShitty> I'm not using Windows. I'm on ebain and I asked for an antivirus for Debian
• 2991[22:58:22] <HelloShitty> that's why I asked here
• 2992[22:58:51] <HelloShitty> yeah, red flags raised instantly when I saw that file
• 2993[22:58:59] <HelloShitty> even wihtout knowing it was an executable
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• 2995[22:59:14] <HelloShitty> I just found it was an executable with that 'file' command
• 2996[23:00:16] <EdePopede> file is a nice tool, much more reliable than the new desktop bloats trying to replace its functionality
• 2997[23:00:26] <pddu37> I use KDE
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• 3011[23:07:01] <HelloShitty> ScreenShot_005_21_06_2019_231312226.scr: Win.Malware.Nymeria-6992323-0 FOUND
• 3012[23:07:06] <HelloShitty> thanks for the help
• 3013[23:07:08] <HelloShitty> xD
• 3014[23:07:21] <EdePopede> touch file.ts; xdg-mime query filetype file.ts ## does this return something else than text/plain for anyone?
• 3015[23:07:33] <winny> HelloShitty: not sure what you were asking? Are you familiar with clamav
• 3016[23:07:40] <HelloShitty> nope
• 3017[23:07:46] <winny> giyf my friend
• 3018[23:07:48] <EdePopede> HelloShitty: lucky you ;) and don't forget not to trust file extensions
• 3019[23:07:54] <HelloShitty> but a simple clamscan t that file, reported that
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• 3022[23:08:21] <HelloShitty> EdePopede: I suspected the very first second I saw that extension
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• 3024[23:08:40] <HelloShitty> I start using windows back in the days and remember very well about that type of file
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• 3026[23:08:51] <HelloShitty> and remember viruses being spread within that type of file
• 3027[23:08:58] <EdePopede> yeah, the obvious attempt. "it looks like scr...eenshot, it should be accepted as such"
• 3028[23:09:08] <HelloShitty> So, despite the fact that the file wouldn't arm me today because I'm not in Windows
• 3029[23:09:23] <HelloShitty> a red flag immediately raised
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• 3031[23:09:44] <EdePopede> brain.exe is still the best AV tool in the wild
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• 3033[23:10:06] <HelloShitty> but curious is that I uploaded the file into a site that uses (or at least claim it uses Clam AV)
• 3034[23:10:13] <HelloShitty> and it still running the check
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• 3036[23:10:27] <HelloShitty> probably not gonna end it ever but curious that it also uses ClamAV
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• 3038[23:10:38] <HelloShitty> replaced-url
• 3039[23:10:52] <HelloShitty> POWERED BY: CLAM AV, PHP, APACHE AND MYSQL.
• 3040[23:11:27] <HelloShitty> The guy said a few minutes before he was going to block me because I was wasting his time
• 3041[23:11:48] <HelloShitty> even so, I sent him ClamAV report on his file
• 3042[23:11:50] <greycat> HelloShitty: I'm not hearing any Debian questions any more
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• 3045[23:12:07] <HelloShitty> I called me 'idiot' and something else I couldn't read because I blocked him and reported him as spam
• 3046[23:12:35] <HelloShitty> greycat: yes, that's because I'm not asking any questions at the moment
• 3047[23:12:42] <HelloShitty> :|
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• 3049[23:12:55] <HelloShitty> Can't I talk here other than asking questions? :s
• 3050[23:13:03] <greycat> No. There's #debian-offtopic for that.
• 3051[23:13:31] <HelloShitty> hum, ok. thanks for your kindness man
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• 3053[23:13:53] <pddu37> thank you greycat
• 3054[23:14:03] <EdePopede> always a place for a good rant, so don't be shy
• 3055[23:14:13] <pddu37> #debian-offtopic :Cannot send to nick/channel
• 3056[23:14:21] <pddu37> cant talk here
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• 3065[23:19:39] <pddu37> can you allow me on #debian-offtopic please
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• 3067[23:20:34] <greycat> Perhaps the channel is +r? Were you able to join? What are the channel modes?
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• 3069[23:22:07] <pddu37> yes i joined the channel but can't speak
• 3070[23:22:08] <pddu37> Channel #debian-offtopic modes: +Cgnt
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• 3072[23:22:34] <EdePopede> or the banlist with some wildcard
• 3073[23:23:42] <pddu37> I stay here then
• 3074[23:24:27] <pddu37> thank you Edepopede
• 3075[23:24:30] <EdePopede> it's a goood class here
• 3076[23:24:31] <EdePopede> bp
• 3077[23:24:32] <EdePopede> np
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• 3081[23:27:21] <annadane> when i transferred from windows i sort of badly ran clamav with no real understanding of how it works and just wiped all the entries that were classified as a virus
• 3082[23:28:43] <EdePopede> i also had it running for one release i think. never found anything with it, so /dev/null
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• 3092[23:40:02] <pddu37> <rant> +r is the flag for identified only
• 3093[23:40:09] <pddu37> so i can't use this channel
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• 3095[23:40:29] <greycat> If the channel is +r, you can identify yourself to nickserv.
• 3096[23:40:50] <pddu37> no i dont want an account
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