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• 9[00:06:51] <joepublic> What's the deal with #debian-next?
• 10[00:07:20] <bites> not on this network
• 11[00:07:23] <bites> !debian-next
• 12[00:07:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 14[00:08:36] <joepublic> respectfully, such a channel exists on this network, even should it not be blessed as official. It seems to be officially owned, in fact, as it redirected me to here from there.
• 15[00:09:17] <nmschulte> joepublic: the topic states #debian-next infos.
• 16[00:09:26] <nmschulte> #debian @ freenode is the oddball, really.
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• 27[00:19:05] <morning-inst> hi everyone, I'm trying to install debian-testing booting the .iso from grub2. I get an installer error saying "no kernel modules found" replaced-url
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• 31[00:19:40] <annadane> !testing installer
• 32[00:19:40] <Zauberfisch_> Hello World '!testing installer'
• 33[00:19:40] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
• 34[00:19:55] <annadane> that said, someone may be able to answer the question
• 35[00:20:01] <agabriel> !testing installer
• 36[00:20:01] <Zauberfisch_> Hello World '!testing installer'
• 37[00:20:01] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
• 38[00:20:22] <bites> Zauberfisch_: bad bot!
• 39[00:20:32] <annadane> yeah please don't put that in #debian
• 40[00:20:38] <annadane> that gets annoying real fast
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• 42[00:21:15] <joepublic> Basically, install debian stable (currently stretch 9), update /etc/apt/sources.list to testing sources, then sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
• 43[00:21:32] <morning-inst> oh! okay
• 44[00:22:04] <morning-inst> there's no way to find the matching kernel then (between installer and iso image)
• 45[00:22:36] <joepublic> as I understand it, that's a great question for the folks in #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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• 47[00:24:02] <nmschulte> morning-inst: where'd you get your Debian testing installer?
• 48[00:24:09] <annadane> morning-inst, what do you mean matching kernel?
• 49[00:24:10] <morning-inst> thank you for helping guys :)
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• 52[00:25:03] <nmschulte> morning-inst: it may help you to know that the ISOs (even for the alpha/beta installer images) are suitable for copying to a USB device, possibly allowing you to avoid any GRUB2/ISO boot related issues.
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• 55[00:25:35] <nmschulte> it looks like you're well beyond that though, and possibly using a broken installer or other
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• 57[00:26:08] <morning-inst> annadane: since the installer error says "there's probably a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available inthe archive" I though it means a difference between the hd-media/vmlinuz and the one in the .iso image
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• 59[00:27:16] <annadane> that's weird
• 60[00:27:35] <nmschulte> morning-inst: isn't the hd-media/vmlinuz and the .iso bit the same thing? the .iso contains the hd-media/vmlinuz?
• 61[00:28:01] <morning-inst> replaced-url
• 62[00:28:04] <morning-inst> replaced-url
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• 64[00:28:26] <morning-inst> different build dates at least
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• 67[00:28:47] <nmschulte> also, it just says no modules found, _likely_ due to v mismatch
• 68[00:28:57] <nmschulte> it could be it just totally didn't find your .iso provided kernel modules
• 69[00:29:26] <nmschulte> but this is over my head and I don't want to spread misinformation -- good luck!
• 70[00:29:50] <morning-inst> "I'd rather try the stable install && update source.list to testing" solution first
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• 72[00:30:22] <morning-inst> thank you for the help :D
• 73[00:30:45] <joepublic> May you have much success.
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• 102[00:48:18] <syntaxman> I'm having a problem with aptitude. It says "no changes" when I have defiinitely requested changes. I've found that it's a problem with the resolver, but...
• 103[00:48:50] <syntaxman> When I go into the resolver menu, they are all black... no resolver actions are available from the keyboard or menu.
• 104[00:49:30] <syntaxman> I only have a terminal available, so switching to synaptic, or other, won't work.
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• 107[00:50:16] <nmschulte> syntaxman: when does it say "no changes"?
• 108[00:50:22] <nmschulte> how are you requesting changes?
• 109[00:50:43] <nmschulte> I use aptitude (interactive and non) CLI all the time.
• 110[00:50:59] <syntaxman> I selected and unselected a number of entries, and pressed "g".. don e it hundreds of times
• 111[00:51:12] <syntaxman> I used it interactively.
• 112[00:51:25] <nmschulte> lowercase u to update, captial U to upgrade all under cursor, + / - / _ to install, remove, purge.
• 113[00:51:32] <syntaxman> Right
• 114[00:51:45] <nmschulte> CTRL+T -> f to clear pending
• 115[00:52:07] <nmschulte> after requesting upgrade, the resolver should run and any conflicts will show up in a red line
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• 118[00:52:34] <nmschulte> CTRL+t -> e, excuse me.
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• 120[00:53:41] <syntaxman> All it says is "Actions: no changes" No resolver action keys or menu entries work. And that is really my problem.
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• 123[00:55:00] <syntaxman> The "no changes" issue is being discussed on bugs.debian.org, but nothing about the resolver not being available.
• 124[00:55:26] <nmschulte> can you send a photo of what you see?
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• 126[00:55:57] <nmschulte> I'm used to aptitude on Debian Sid, and I can't get it to show "Actions: no changes" anywhere.
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• 129[00:57:07] <ikus060> Hello, is it possible to use network-manager to control only the VPN ? We have a server here full a home made script for VPN. Want to replace all of it with network-manager. But at the same time, I don't want to mess up with the /etc/network/interfaces. It's configure with bond0 and everything. So basically, I want to use network-manager only to manage the VPN connections.
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• 133[00:58:06] <nmschulte> ikus060: it's possible, but the default install of NetworkManager will take over all of those things for you. It may be a simple one-checkbox/button configuration to put it back, though.
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• 144[01:02:35] <awal1> How 'seccomp sandboxing' works exactly in apt context?
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• 151[01:07:28] <themill> awal1: you might need to be more specific, unless the answer you wanted was "see seccomp(2)"
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• 155[01:09:39] <awal1> themill, just trying to understand apt changelog (* Turn off seccomp sandboxing by default (LP: #1732030) (Closes: #890489))
• 156[01:09:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 159[01:10:54] <awal1> I guess I understand what 'seccomp' means (replaced-url
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• 161[01:12:05] <themill> it doesn't which is why it's turned off?
• 162[01:13:29] <awal1> themill, turned off by default now yeah bcoz it looks like it doesn't work. my idea was to understand the goal of "it works"
• 163[01:14:24] <awal1> of if it work
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• 166[01:14:57] <themill> the goal was to restrict what _apt could do while downloading
• 167[01:14:59] <awal1> why "they" have tried to implemente it, almost
• 168[01:16:31] <awal1> I thik I started to understand better now
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• 171[01:17:26] <awal1> interesting feature
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• 174[01:20:23] <awal1> incredible the risks and weakness of wi-fi technology
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• 176[01:22:00] <ikus060> nmschulte: Then ,the question is how ?
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• 178[01:24:10] <syntaxman> nmschulte: I had to install scrot from apt-get, then when I re-started aptitude to take the screenshot, the resolver was back and functioning :-/
• 179[01:24:47] <syntaxman> I'd already restarted it several times with no joy.
• 180[01:25:10] <syntaxman> Worst kind of bug
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• 183[01:26:08] <nmschulte> syntaxman: yeah, gross. :(
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• 447[03:16:09] <awal1> once my system starts using a bit of swap, even if I close all programs I still see 1 mb swap in use shown by 'fee' (and 'conky')
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• 451[03:16:59] * abrotman wonders if there's more to this story ...
• 452[03:16:59] <awal1> but nothing listed using swap if I do "smem -s swap"
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• 455[03:17:31] <awal1> 'free'
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• 457[03:17:47] <awal1> abrotman?
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• 460[03:19:11] <awal1> smem should list something if free says there is 1 mb swap in use
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• 471[03:24:37] <abrotman> awal1: I guess I don't understand what the issue is?
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• 495[03:31:57] <awal1> abrotman, well, I have 8 gb ram; just 3 are being used now, but I still see 1 mb swap in use
• 496[03:32:28] <abrotman> and if you "swapoff -a;swapon -a" ?
• 497[03:33:56] <abrotman> can you show us the output?
• 498[03:35:02] <awal1> abrotman, swapoff -a then swapon -a solved my "issue"
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• 501[03:35:22] <awal1> no more 1 mb swap being used
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• 504[03:35:53] <awal1> free (and conky) show 0 swap in use :P
• 505[03:35:56] <awal1> thans abrotman
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• 514[03:45:37] <abrotman> awal1: if you don't want to use swap, don't create swap ?
• 515[03:46:20] <ryouma> you can adjust swappiness
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• 517[03:46:57] <abrotman> if the goal is not use swap, why create it in the first place?
• 518[03:46:58] <bug> or use a swap file
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• 521[03:48:50] <rjsalts> a little bit of swap is still handy imo
• 522[03:49:21] <awal1> abrotman, i do need swap . my confusion is just why i see 1 mega bite swap in use if only 3 giga bites of my 8 gigabites ram are being used
• 523[03:49:39] <rjsalts> replaced-url
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• 532[03:52:59] <awal1> resuming: I have 8 gb of ram. my system needed to use swap bcoz I was at 7+ ram use. but after i finish my heavy work and close my heavy programs I see 3 gb of ram being used and 1 mb of swap. I wonder so why that 1mb swap in use
• 533[03:53:13] <awal1> 7 gb+
• 534[03:53:15] <A|an> If one is using Firefox-ESR that came with jessie and installs the latest Firefox (59.something), will it overwrite your bookmarks?
• 535[03:53:54] <rjsalts> awal1: it won't swap pages back in unless it needs to, nothing has asked for the memory that had been swapped out so it stays there
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• 538[03:54:04] <ryouma> A|an: packages don't generally overwrite user configs
• 539[03:54:20] <awal1> I was expecting to see all my swap free if only 3 gb / 8 gb ram are being used
• 540[03:54:44] <A|an> That's what I thought, but I think I've lost my bookmarks (!!)
• 541[03:54:48] <A|an> god!
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• 544[03:55:19] <rjsalts> A|an: firefox stores things in your home directory
• 545[03:55:31] <awal1> rjsalts, oh; I have a clearer idea now; lets google that ;)
• 546[03:56:02] <rjsalts> awal1: read the link I posted ^
• 547[03:56:22] <awal1> rjsalts, nice
• 548[03:56:32] <A|an> yes, i know...that's where they're supposed to be
• 549[03:56:39] <A|an> (i can't believe this!0
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• 552[03:57:25] <ryouma> firefox itself does contain ... weird things that it does. perhaps it changed bookmark format or something.
• 553[03:57:35] <rjsalts> A|an: you can have multiple profiles, maybe you're in a new one/the wrong one
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• 555[03:58:53] <rjsalts> it keeps backups every time it writes to bookmarks file, so maybe you can recover them if it's messed the bookmarks file somehow
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• 558[04:00:14] <rjsalts> I believe that firefox has used an sqlite file for bookmarks for many years
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• 564[04:04:13] <A|an> this makes me sick...it got 'em
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• 570[04:08:50] <bug> always back up your bookmarks. bug learned this long ago.
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• 589[04:20:14] <Zauberfisch_> bites: bad human
• 590[04:20:36] <Zauberfisch_> but interesting
• 591[04:20:46] <Zauberfisch_> this should not trigger in public channels :D
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• 597[04:24:21] <Zauberfisch_> fixed
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• 609[04:38:06] <machinehum> Is there a way to remove firmware-amd-graphics, when I used apt it complains that it's a dep of firmware-linux-nonfree. But I don't want to remove firmware-linux-nonfree.
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• 613[04:45:14] <themill> machinehum: firmware-linux-nonfree contains no files
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• 629[04:53:07] <machinehum> themill: What exactly does that mean? So I've tried to remove firmware-linux-nonfree, and then apt tells me firmware-linux depends on firmware-linux-nonfree.
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• 631[04:53:45] <machinehum> If there are no files that means that firmware-linux-nonfree doesn't do anything then link back to firmware-amd-graphics?
• 632[04:54:53] <themill> There are no files in firmware-linux either
• 633[04:55:07] <themill> !meta-package
• 634[04:55:41] <themill> !metapackage
• 635[04:55:41] <dpkg> methinks metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
• 636[04:55:44] <themill> silly bot
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• 640[04:57:37] <bug> machinehum, metapackages just install other packages. you can then uninstall them with no effect.
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• 642[04:58:25] <machinehum> So 1 metapackage can only install 1 sub-package?
• 643[04:58:40] <machinehum> Or it it like a tree
• 644[04:58:40] <themill> no
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• 646[04:58:57] <bug> normally they install groups of packages as a convenience.
• 647[04:58:59] <themill> ,depends firmware-linux
• 648[04:59:00] <judd> Package firmware-linux in stretch/amd64 -- depends: firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree (= 20161130-3).
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• 652[04:59:49] <machinehum> Okay, so I have to tell apt to just force remove firmware-amd-graphics?
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• 654[05:00:07] <machinehum> And the metapackages obviously wont break because they don't actually have any code living inside them?
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• 659[05:00:26] <bug> yep
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• 661[05:01:06] <machinehum> Thanks, appreciate it.
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• 674[05:06:23] <themill> machinehum: no, don't force anything
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• 833[06:41:29] <Agafnd> hey all, i've just obtained an m-audio keystation 49e keyboard, but i can't get it to work with any programs (i've only tried musescore and lmms, though.)
• 834[06:41:43] <Agafnd> this replaced-url
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• 838[06:42:53] <Agafnd> tried googling: dead links replaced-url
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• 846[06:46:40] <bug> Agafnd, just a guess, but try rosegarden and virtualsynth. you might have to fiddle with qsynth a little to get the output to virtualsynth.
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• 854[06:48:48] <Agafnd> bug: er, what's virtualsynth?
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• 863[06:51:24] <Agafnd> (it does not seem to be mentioned anywhere in the repos
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• 865[06:52:24] <Agafnd> oh. huh, maybe i need jack? qsynth seems to want it
• 866[06:53:29] <bug> oh, sorry, i meant fluidsynth, Agafnd
• 867[06:53:37] <Agafnd> aah
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• 870[06:54:33] <Agafnd> anyway, qsynth tells me it "cannot continue without" jack
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• 872[06:55:25] <bug> yeh, fluidsynth and rosegarden will have jack and qsynth as dependencies
• 873[06:55:48] <Agafnd> :| except, i already have jackd installed...
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• 876[06:57:27] <bug> that should be ok
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• 880[06:58:10] <Agafnd> but qsynth tells me "Qsynth1: Failed to create the audio driver (jack)."
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• 883[07:01:08] <Agafnd> hm. tried hitting "start" in qjackctl and it gives me this log: replaced-url
• 884[07:01:54] <Agafnd> maybe i need to stop the application using "hw:0"
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• 890[07:04:00] <Agafnd> however, qjackctl *does* display my keyboard as a potential Thing To Connect To
• 891[07:04:06] <Agafnd> so that's good
• 892[07:04:10] <Agafnd> it just can't do anything
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• 902[07:07:30] <Agafnd> oh! rosegarden looks like it's *recording* the keyboard, anyway
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• 910[07:09:51] <Agafnd> ...and i can export this to a midi file, which i can play with timidity
• 911[07:09:53] <Agafnd> progress!
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• 916[07:11:09] <themill> rosegarden can also play the midi file btw
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• 919[07:12:12] <Agafnd> er, by pressing "play", no?
• 920[07:12:24] <themill> yes
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• 922[07:12:30] <Agafnd> because that doesn't work for me. i'm having problems with jack
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• 924[07:12:50] <themill> the combination of jack and timidity is quite hateful
• 925[07:13:00] <themill> Normally qsynth sorts it all out
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• 930[07:14:55] <Agafnd> it seems my problem is 'The playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again'
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• 932[07:15:50] <Agafnd> but i don't know which application that is :(
• 933[07:16:27] <Agafnd> ...perhaps it's pulseaudio
• 934[07:17:04] <themill> qsynth can make jack play nicely with pulse; I've never had much joy with other ways that are supposed to work
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• 937[07:18:00] <themill> This was one of those things where once I got it working I decided never to touch that config again...
• 938[07:18:11] <Agafnd> haha right
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• 940[07:18:29] <Agafnd> i've heard a lot of people say that about jack
• 941[07:19:04] <themill> do you have timidity running as a system service? istr that's a bad idea
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• 945[07:20:45] <Agafnd> well - timidity is running and nothing's using it, so yes?
• 946[07:20:55] <themill> I also have a ~/.jackrc with «/usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -S»
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• 949[07:22:11] <Agafnd> that's almost exactly what these programs seem to be failing to do
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• 952[07:23:14] <Agafnd> here's what i get when i run that: replaced-url
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• 954[07:24:10] <themill> "yay"
• 955[07:25:15] <themill> is «fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer» enlightening?
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• 957[07:26:05] <themill> (rosegarden has a reasonable popcon and I'd always wondered who used it)
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• 962[07:26:53] <Agafnd> musicians and composers, presumably
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• 964[07:27:09] <darxmurf> morning
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• 966[07:28:46] <Agafnd> themill: replaced-url
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• 973[07:31:03] <Agafnd> oh. maybe i need pulseaudio-module-jack
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• 975[07:32:53] <bug> yeh, nor,ally you just tell rosegarden to play the midi file with a fluidsynth soundfont, some of which are pretty good. and you do that with one setting in qsynth.
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• 977[07:34:09] <Agafnd> bug: but qsynth doesn't want do anything without jack running, and i can't get jack running
• 978[07:34:10] <bug> then you can hear what you're recording in rosegarden live in real time, and "play" plays it back.
• 979[07:34:23] <themill> Agafnd: I do have pulseaudio-module-jack; I don't see that pcm device being used on my local system. Do you have a player running or some sort?
• 980[07:34:44] <themill> Agafnd: are you using qsynth to start jack or are you running it separately?
• 981[07:34:56] <Agafnd> themill: i've tried both
• 982[07:35:26] <Agafnd> and i don't have a player running. just the normal sound server
• 983[07:35:42] <Agafnd> er, by which i mean pulseaudio i guess
• 984[07:35:52] <bug> dunno, i just install rosegarden and fluidsynth, jackd and qsynth get installed as dependencies, i make one setting in qsynth, and it works.
• 985[07:35:57] <Agafnd> oh, i *do* have speech-dispatcher running
• 986[07:36:23] <themill> Agafnd: that keeping the device open is entirely possible
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• 989[07:36:41] <Agafnd> it's not like i need it. i guess i'll kill it
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• 991[07:37:02] <themill> bug: yeah, it used to recommend qjackctl but I switched it over to qsynth after having this sort of fun and games.
• 992[07:37:11] <themill> bug: what setting did you need to change in qynth ooi?
• 993[07:38:08] <Agafnd> aaah! *now* jack is running
• 994[07:38:14] <Agafnd> it was speech-dispatcher
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• 996[07:38:41] <bug> tjemill, a setting that tells it to play the midi file using a fluidsynth soundfont, "gmsynth" or somethi g like that. i'm not at that computer at the moment.
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• 998[07:40:28] <Agafnd> though i'm still not getting any sound
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• 1000[07:41:12] <bug> yeh, getting sound takes the qsynth setting that i only vaguely remember.
• 1001[07:41:47] <bug> it's very simple, though, once you find it.
• 1002[07:42:03] <Agafnd> probably under "setup"
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• 1012[07:45:09] <themill> hmm maybe I didn't switch it to qsynth from qjackctl... I should
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• 1016[07:45:25] <Agafnd> :| of course now i'm not getting *any* sound from *anything*
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• 1020[07:46:33] <Agafnd> (but i do when i stop jack)
• 1021[07:46:59] <bug> qsynth, setup, soundfonts, open, /usr/share/sounds/sf2/FluidR3_GM.sf2
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• 1023[07:47:12] <themill> Agafnd: yes, that's standard unless you do a pile more configuration
• 1024[07:47:47] <Agafnd> "i'm having problems with jack" i wonder how many people have said that on IRC
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• 1027[07:48:31] <bug> and there are some other decent free fluidsynth soundfonts available on the net
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• 1031[07:49:23] <bug> Agafnd and themill ... seting listed above
• 1032[07:49:29] <themill> yep
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• 1034[07:51:13] <bug> and restart
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• 1036[07:51:57] <Agafnd> yeah, i've done all that... and still no sound
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• 1038[07:53:19] <themill> is the vumeter for each voice within rosegarden showing that something is happening? voices not muted in rosegarden?
• 1039[07:53:42] <themill> have you tried one of rosegarden's built-in examples to make sure it's not your recording?
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• 1041[07:54:29] <Agafnd> yeah, definitely not working
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• 1050[08:03:48] <Agafnd> well -- it's getting late here. i've made some progress, anyway
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• 1072[08:12:02] <bigMouthCommie> i want my mail to go somewhere other than /var/mail/ because that partition is tiny. some googling has pointed me at the environmental variable $mail. is this a good solution?
• 1073[08:13:43] <bug> bigMouthCommie, you could just put /var on its own partition
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• 1272[10:30:00] <rendar> if i press alt+f2, linux switches from Xorg and UIs to the console textual input, i log in, do my stuff, and when i type 'exit' instead of returning to the login (launched by getty process?) it automatically returns back to a freezed Xorg, and it seems the entire system is freezed, i have to resent, and at the start kernel says: ext4: removed orphaned inode ... What THE HELL? This is Debian
• 1273[10:30:01] <rendar> stable stretch, lucky it's the "stable" one
• 1274[10:31:06] <jelly> rendar: which gpu are you using and which driver?
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• 1276[10:31:29] <rendar> Nvidia Quadro M4000 - drivers installed by apt install nvidia-driver nvidia-settings
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• 1278[10:31:39] <rendar> but before i had nuveau drivers installed by default by debian installer cd
• 1279[10:31:49] <Haohmaru> alt+F2 in my case just opens a "Run" dialog
• 1280[10:31:51] <jelly> nvidia drivers don't play well with console
• 1281[10:32:01] <rendar> Ctrl+alt+F2, sorry
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• 1283[10:32:25] <rendar> jelly: so i will have a buggy system forever?
• 1284[10:32:43] <Haohmaru> that quadro is an old model, isn't it?
• 1285[10:32:50] <jelly> rendar: choose your hardware better next time?
• 1286[10:32:53] <rendar> Haohmaru: not that old, no
• 1287[10:33:03] <rendar> jelly: nvidia is the best hardware around
• 1288[10:33:16] <jelly> for linux?
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• 1290[10:33:23] <jelly> don't think so
• 1291[10:33:33] <Haohmaru> there are issues with nvidia and their stuff
• 1292[10:33:51] <Haohmaru> i stick to the nouveau drivers
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• 1294[10:34:00] <rendar> what is the smothest gpu for linux? one which is powerful yet works great under linux
• 1295[10:34:00] <jelly> nouveau is even worse
• 1296[10:34:16] <jelly> but if it works for you, hey
• 1297[10:34:29] <Haohmaru> jelly i only need opengl for one CAD program
• 1298[10:34:33] <rendar> btw, can't i do that for this problem?
• 1299[10:34:47] <rendar> can't i do anything?
• 1300[10:35:06] <rendar> i feel that is this automated thing of returning back to UIs on exit from console is avoided, it will work
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• 1303[10:36:25] <Haohmaru> it amazes me that "exit" from textmode would switch to the desktop
• 1304[10:36:34] <rendar> right
• 1305[10:36:38] <rendar> how can i avoid that?
• 1306[10:36:42] <Haohmaru> no idea
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• 1319[10:48:35] <Haohmaru> jelly but nvidia's driver is fugly closed source blob crap, isn't it?
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• 1321[10:49:07] <Haohmaru> so it might be mining bitcoins for nvidia while it's "idle" ;P~
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• 1351[11:02:14] <slax0r> Haohmaru: you'd notice if it did
• 1352[11:02:56] <Haohmaru> how? by the smell of nvidia's pockets getting fuller every minute? ;P~
• 1353[11:03:20] <Haohmaru> i'm kidding, but.. who knows
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• 1357[11:04:22] <slax0r> Haohmaru: have you tried mining?
• 1358[11:04:42] <Haohmaru> no, i'm not a gambler anymore ;P~
• 1359[11:05:29] <slax0r> well, if you would you'd know that your graphics card would be outright screaming from the heat
• 1360[11:06:00] <Haohmaru> maybe it's mining "just a lil bit" ;P~
• 1361[11:06:03] <slax0r> and if they're doing it so that it's not noticable, they are producing very low hashrate, and also very little to no money at all
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• 1363[11:06:45] <slax0r> and, I'm pretty sure some guru would notice it on his/her network already and then it wouldn't bode well for nvidia I guess
• 1364[11:07:47] <slax0r> the open source driver is nice, but sometimes you just need that "nvidia closed source blob crap", be it because of incompatibility, performance, or any other issue
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• 1425[11:48:52] <hays> is unattended-upgrades supposed to keep telling me that a package has been updated when i run it? it seems to have updated the package, but then on a second run I get the same report saying it has been updated again
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• 1470[12:13:26] <rape> hello
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• 1474[12:15:33] <TwistedFate> Hello, I remember visiting some Debian speciffic website that's dedicated to kernel releases. I can't remember which one is it.. Can someone help?
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• 1478[12:17:41] <p0g0_> TwistedFate: if you leave out the debian part, you want kernel.org
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• 1481[12:17:57] <p0g0_> mebbe not the answer you wanted...
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• 1483[12:18:14] <TwistedFate> p0g0_: I know about that one, but this website is debian's and has info about kernel releases
• 1484[12:19:17] <Haohmaru> could it be the package info page about the kernel packages?
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• 1488[12:20:47] <TwistedFate> Haohmaru: Possible, do you have the link?
• 1489[12:21:00] <Haohmaru> nope
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• 1491[12:21:42] <Haohmaru> there is some clever commands to dpkg here that makes him return links to those pages
• 1492[12:21:52] <Haohmaru> dpkg kernel
• 1493[12:21:54] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.17-rc1, stable 4.16: 4.16.2, stable 4.15: 4.15.17, longterm 4.14: 4.14.34, longterm 4.9: 4.9.94, longterm 4.4: 4.4.128, longterm 4.1: 4.1.51, longterm 3.18: 3.18.105 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.56, longterm 3.2: 3.2.101, linux-next: next-20180417
• 1494[12:22:08] <Haohmaru> nope, someone else has to know them better than me
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• 1496[12:22:41] <themill> ,kernels
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• 1498[12:22:42] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); buster: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 1499[12:22:43] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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• 1513[12:27:01] <rephlexie> replaced-url
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• 1518[12:28:50] <Haohmaru> yeah. that
• 1519[12:29:01] <Haohmaru> TwistedFate ^
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• 1526[12:33:37] <TwistedFate> rephlexie: yes! that one! thanks :)
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• 1570[13:00:45] <Baobabfruit> How many of you all are on stretch
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• 1577[13:01:48] <jelly> EVERYONE
• 1578[13:01:52] <mortn> yeah, baobab, don't stick around for answers
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• 1580[13:02:06] <jelly> the fruit of baobab is not patient
• 1581[13:02:10] <jelly> unlike the tree
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• 1583[13:03:01] <mortn> :-)
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• 1590[13:04:51] <Guest28611> Hi all
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• 1592[13:05:09] <Guest28611> I got little problem here
• 1593[13:05:18] <Guest28611> How to fix this? WARNING: linker: _speedups.so: unused DT entry: type 0x6ffffef5 arg 0x380
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• 1596[13:06:42] <Guest28611> Ok no answer
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• 1599[13:06:49] <Guest28611> Bye
• 1600[13:06:50] <petn-randall> Guest28611:
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• 1602[13:07:00] * petn-randall facepalms.
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• 1609[13:07:34] <petn-randall> Guest28611: You need to stay more than 30 seconds for a response. Like *minimum* 30 minutes.
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• 1611[13:08:33] <mortn> :-D
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• 1613[13:08:44] <mortn> geez, ppl really seem to be busy around here
• 1614[13:08:55] <mortn> busy as in "impatient"
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• 1616[13:09:49] <mortn> "how do I find the source of my kernel panic. hello? no answer? 4realz? ok, bye! *flip table*"
• 1617[13:09:57] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 1666[13:31:18] <rinku> hi
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• 1865[15:36:42] <s10gopal> anyone facing battery drain when laptop is powered off ?
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• 1868[15:37:37] <petn-randall> s10gopal: You mean normal discharge?
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• 1870[15:38:34] <s10gopal> petn-randall: no , when laptop is shutdown and battery draine (mine draine around 1% per hour)
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• 1879[15:42:11] <Kaylas> hi all, replaced-url
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• 1910[16:01:20] <darxmurf> quick question with LVM, I have a user who added a new disk in a raid array and extended that via the raid controller. Then she launched pvextend to extend the PV with the new size.
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• 1912[16:01:31] <darxmurf> but what's the command then to extend the VG ?
• 1913[16:01:47] <darxmurf> because vgextend is asking for a /dev/ device
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• 1921[16:04:12] <petn-randall> s10gopal: Some laptops (thinkpads) offer a BIOS option to keep the USB ports permanently powered, so you can charge e.g. phones. Maybe that's the case with your device?
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• 1924[16:05:16] <bites> darxmurf: vgextend is for adding another PV to a VG. can you not see the increase free space in the vg with vgs already?
• 1925[16:05:20] <s10gopal> petn-randall: it is due to these commits 0ce3fcaff929 and de3ef1eb1cd0
• 1926[16:05:47] <karlpinc> darxmurf: Yah. I don't see a command to change physical extents.
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• 1930[16:06:39] <karlpinc> darxmurf: I am also of the opinion that avoiding hardware raid is a good idea unless you have a replacment drive controller on-hand. Otherwise if the controller goes bad you are in trouble.
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• 1932[16:06:51] <petn-randall> s10gopal: Which commits? Which repo? What are you talking about?
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• 1941[16:07:37] <s10gopal> petn-randall: kernel repo (ml)
• 1942[16:07:44] <darxmurf> karlpinc: that's not the question :D but thanks :)
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• 1946[16:08:10] <karlpinc> darxmurf: So "pvdisplay" does not show the new size?
• 1947[16:08:25] <petn-randall> s10gopal: You bisected this?
• 1948[16:08:57] <s10gopal> petn-randall: yes , replaced-url
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• 1951[16:09:48] <petn-randall> s10gopal: Which kernel are you running in Debian?
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• 1954[16:10:23] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernel
• 1955[16:10:24] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); buster: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 1956[16:10:25] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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• 1958[16:11:01] <s10gopal> petn-randall: it dont happen with 4.12 and still exist in latest ML ie 4.16 . it is introduced in 4.13-rc1
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• 1968[16:13:09] <darxmurf> karlpinc: the pvdisplay is still with the old size
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• 1973[16:15:28] <bites> try pvscan --cache
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• 1976[16:16:46] <petn-randall> s10gopal: Debian stable ships with 4.9, so why not run that?
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• 1978[16:17:19] <darxmurf> hmm in parted the /dev/sdb1 is 12Tb but the /dev/sdb itself is 16Tb
• 1979[16:17:39] <darxmurf> She should extend /dev/sdb1 to the max size 1st
• 1980[16:17:40] <darxmurf> no ?
• 1981[16:17:45] <s10gopal> petn-randall: i am having new hardware which is not fully supported by 4.9
• 1982[16:18:39] <petn-randall> s10gopal: Then you might want to compile yourself until a fixed version comes out.
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• 1985[16:19:26] <petn-randall> s10gopal: Or you might want to file a bug with Debian to include those patches in the next upload.
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• 1988[16:20:37] <s10gopal> petn-randall: can yo please guide ? i dont have any patches , just reverting commit fix it
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• 1990[16:21:34] <petn-randall> s10gopal: Run 'reportbug' to file a bug report, and just provide all the info you have.
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• 1997[16:24:08] <s10gopal> thx
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• 2001[16:25:33] <darxmurf> or to create a new /dev/sdb2 partition and add it in the PV
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• 2017[16:32:27] <darxmurf> or kill the partition and recreate it using the max space available
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• 2030[16:40:03] <b00tcat> hey all, I have a package that is available for all architectures, but some of its dependencies are not - I personally don't need need the features that these dependencies provide, and would like Dpkg to stop complaining about this specific packages not being available for my architecture
• 2031[16:40:19] <b00tcat> is there a way to ignore dependencies permantently for this specific package?
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• 2033[16:40:44] <b00tcat> I wouldn't really like to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status by hand
• 2034[16:40:47] <BCMM> b00tcat: will it actually work without the deps you don't want?
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• 2036[16:40:53] <b00tcat> BCMM: yes
• 2037[16:40:54] <jelly> darxmurf: can you show the current output of "pvs" and "vgs"
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• 2039[16:41:17] <BCMM> b00tcat: i mean, will the *debian build* work? in many cases, "optional" dependancies are compile-time optional
• 2040[16:41:18] <PerfDave> If they'renot required for the package to work, they shouldn't be dependencies.
• 2041[16:41:21] <jelly> darxmurf: and lsblk
• 2042[16:41:30] <PerfDave> b00tcat: What's the package?
• 2043[16:41:31] <BCMM> and the debian version will fail with dynamic linker error if the library isn't present
• 2044[16:41:53] <BCMM> b00tcat: is it actually a dependency, or is it just a recommendation?
• 2045[16:42:19] <jelly> darxmurf: it's too late now, but next time if you use the whole disk as a PV, you don't have to partition it at all, just literally use the whole disk as a PV
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• 2047[16:42:34] <b00tcat> BCMM PerfDave: I think it might be more of a recommendation actually - you just need those deps if you want some specific features to work (not really a core of this package)
• 2048[16:42:41] <b00tcat> it's not a package provided by the official deb repositories
• 2049[16:42:48] <jelly> darxmurf: however it's not possible to do that in debian-installer
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• 2052[16:44:47] <jhutchins_wk> b00tcat: The package itself needs to be fixed so it's dependencies are correct.
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• 2060[16:49:11] <b00tcat> yeah I think that makes the most sense
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• 2062[16:49:27] <b00tcat> I will do a pull request to change that, thanks jhutchins_wk BCMM PerfDave
• 2063[16:49:40] <b00tcat> I will do a pull request to change that, cheers
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• 2070[16:51:25] <Josef-K> Ebin maymays
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• 2076[16:53:02] <darxmurf> jelly: yep, don't know who installed that :-)
• 2077[16:53:02] <laemrs> JE1LY: yEP, |)0|\|"t k]\[()W \/\/]-[() 1]\[5t@113D T]-[a7 ;-)!1!
• 2078[16:53:19] <darxmurf> I would say to kill the partition and re-create it should works fine
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• 2082[16:53:37] <lemurs> oh shit
• 2083[16:53:37] <laemrs> 0]-[ fuCc!1!
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• 2085[16:53:40] <lemurs> wrong channel sry
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• 2092[16:55:04] <jelly> sure, if they don't need their 12TB of data
• 2093[16:55:12] <darxmurf> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2095[16:55:44] <darxmurf> well it's the game ^^ I tried once or twice to destroy the partition and recreate it from the same sector and it was fine
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• 2097[16:55:50] <jelly> otherwise, set up a new LUN if there's space, add it (as whole disk) to VG and pvmove from the old partitioned one
• 2098[16:55:51] <darxmurf> but it's a bit dirty
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• 2100[16:56:35] <darxmurf> she already rsynced everything somewhere else before to play with the DELL tools to extend the RAID
• 2101[16:57:01] <jelly> then remove the old one (roughly: vgreduce, echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete, then use controller-specific stuff to nuke the lun)
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• 2107[16:57:43] <jelly> yeah, sdb and sdc are candidates for departitioning
• 2108[16:58:05] <darxmurf> I think she will create a sdb2 partition with the new 4Tb available and extend the PV
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• 2112[16:58:39] <jelly> if you mean, add it as a new PV and extend the VG, yes
• 2113[16:59:03] <darxmurf> yep sorry
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• 2115[16:59:21] <darxmurf> it's not that clean but it will avoid time waste
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• 2120[17:00:16] <darxmurf> she'll manage, it's not my server ^^
• 2121[17:00:20] <darxmurf> thanks for the tips
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• 2123[17:00:35] <jelly> but really extending sdb1 versus adding sdb2, same difference, you'll probably have to temporarily shut down the affected VG in both cases
• 2124[17:00:45] <regenkind> @search Glynn Stewart mage
• 2125[17:00:55] <jelly> regenkind: wrong channel dude
• 2126[17:00:57] <regenkind> @search Glynn Stewart mars
• 2127[17:01:05] <regenkind> Oups
• 2128[17:01:08] <regenkind> sorry
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• 2144[17:09:52] <annadane> never mind, there's a popup
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• 2214[17:36:16] <sbrothy> exit
• 2215[17:36:21] <sbrothy> sorry
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• 2226[17:40:53] <detrout`> hi, name resolution broke on my system. ping <hostname> or ping localhost fails, but dig/host still works
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• 2228[17:41:22] <greycat> detrout`: check /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf
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• 2230[17:41:46] <jelly> detrout`: also, verify lo interface is up
• 2231[17:41:50] <greycat> (if dig works and ping fails, on a DNS name, then nsswitch.conf is 99% likely)
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• 2234[17:42:20] <detrout`> /etc/resolve.conf has a working dnsserver.... I commented out all the extra options in nsswitch, its now just hosts: files
• 2235[17:42:35] <jelly> you want hosts: files dns
• 2236[17:42:41] <greycat> wooledg:~$ grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf
• 2237[17:42:42] <greycat> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
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• 2242[17:43:12] <jelly> that might work as well, unless you have a .local dns domain
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• 2246[17:44:00] <greycat> also make sure it's spelled resolv.conf not resolve.conf
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• 2248[17:44:44] <detrout`> I forgot the hosts: files dns, though shouldn't localhost still have resolved
• 2249[17:45:11] <greycat> nsswitch.conf controls the whole enchilada
• 2250[17:45:23] <greycat> if you told it "don't use files, don't use dns" then nothing will work
• 2251[17:46:03] <detrout`> it looks like it has files dns right now
• 2252[17:46:09] <detrout`> i have apparmor enabled
• 2253[17:46:17] <jelly> localhost should have resolved if you had it in /etc/hosts \
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• 2258[17:47:07] <detrout`> yep 127.0.0.1 localhost at the top of /etc/hosts
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• 2268[17:50:43] <detrout`> also sudo doesn't work because it cant read /etc/sudoers
• 2269[17:50:55] <detrout`> and the permissions on /etc are all missing from a user account
• 2270[17:51:03] <greycat> What did you DO
• 2271[17:51:17] <detrout`> permissions are present from root
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• 2274[17:51:25] <greycat> ls -ld / /etc
• 2275[17:52:03] <detrout`> etc is 644
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• 2279[17:52:06] <detrout`> why is it 644?
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• 2282[17:52:14] <greycat> 11:51 greycat> What did you DO
• 2283[17:52:33] <greycat> It should be 755. Did you run a chmod -R at some point?
• 2284[17:52:48] <detrout`> I don't think so....
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• 2286[17:52:50] <detrout`> it was working....
• 2287[17:52:59] <detrout`> my cat stepped on a power strip...
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• 2289[17:53:12] <detrout`> the computer hung, I rebooted and then it was broken.
• 2290[17:53:13] <greycat> It doesn't sound like corruption due to power loss.
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• 2292[17:53:16] <detrout`> and it's a laptop.... too.
• 2293[17:53:21] <jelly> cat issues don't remove just the x bits from a directory
• 2294[17:53:26] <detrout`> yeah.
• 2295[17:53:46] <detrout`> ooh ecrypt works again.
• 2296[17:53:55] <greycat> Sounds more like "accidental chmod -R 644" to me.
• 2297[17:54:02] <PerfDave> Useless Use of Cat? :)
• 2298[17:54:05] <greycat> I would look for other broken permissions.
• 2299[17:54:08] <detrout`> snicker
• 2300[17:54:21] <detrout`> Yeah that's an excellent idea graycat
• 2301[17:54:30] <detrout`> we don't have a "permission repair tool" do we?
• 2302[17:54:35] <greycat> no
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• 2308[17:56:39] <kanzure> nn/win 90
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• 2310[17:56:43] <kanzure> whoops.
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• 2313[17:57:02] <detrout`> so neither my user account or root have errant chmod /etcs in bash history
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• 2316[17:58:13] <detrout`> I wonder if I stumbled on a broken maintainer script
• 2317[17:58:37] <jelly> if you installed stuff from outside of debian repos, it's possible
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• 2320[18:00:06] <PerfDave> replaced-url
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• 2322[18:00:12] <detrout`> I do have the zoom .deb though they didn't install an apt sources plugin, and I thought I read the maintainer script first
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• 2328[18:01:09] <jelly> but honestly that kind of issue smells more like operator error
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• 2331[18:01:22] <jelly> a layer 8 issue
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• 2333[18:01:27] <jelly> a pebkac
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• 2335[18:01:38] <annadane> problem exists between kat and ceyboard
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• 2337[18:02:06] <detrout`> how quickly should things break if user can't read /etc?
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• 2341[18:02:26] <greycat> "very"?
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• 2344[18:02:43] <greycat> Just off the top of my head, "ls -l" will fail to resolve all those UIDs to user names....
• 2345[18:02:56] <BCMM> detrout`: /etc/resolv.conf is a particularly obvious one
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• 2347[18:03:04] <detrout`> pretty much immediately.
• 2348[18:03:18] <BCMM> detrout`: network programs are not going to be able to work out how to resolve domain names
• 2349[18:03:21] <greycat> or in this particular case, nsswitch.conf prevents all hostname lookups, local or DNS
• 2350[18:03:30] <detrout`> yeah dns fails immediately.
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• 2352[18:03:53] <detrout`> opening new terminals bash can't find the hostname
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• 2354[18:04:15] <greycat> And anything that tries to read a config file from /etc is going to fail. I wouldn't be surprised if an X session can't be started *at all*.
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• 2356[18:04:32] <detrout`> yep ... X totally failed
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• 2358[18:04:41] <detrout`> ecryptfs failed
• 2359[18:04:49] <detrout`> (on reboot)
• 2360[18:05:03] <detrout`> an X session will stay up when you do chmod 644 /etc
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• 2363[18:05:13] <detrout`> i have no idea how it changed... but its working now.
• 2364[18:05:14] <annadane> quick, have the cat step on the power strip again, maybe it fixes the problem
• 2365[18:05:15] <detrout`> thank you
• 2366[18:05:18] <detrout`> :)
• 2367[18:05:19] <detrout`> :P
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• 2369[18:08:06] <detrout`> bye for now thank you fort the help
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• 2375[18:10:23] <jelly> !qotd0
• 2376[18:10:23] <dpkg> < greycat> either that, or fucking install mpg321. < Angel-SL> aptget < Angel-SL> ? < greycat> alias fucking=apt-get < greycat> fucking install mpg321 < asg> hah
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• 2383[18:13:39] <jomofcw> Hello !
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• 2386[18:14:04] <BlackBishop> so .. in jessie, what happened with the 'ntp' package ? :/
• 2387[18:14:25] <BlackBishop> I wanted to try 'ntpq -p' and I thought it was in the ntp package which for some reason I don't have :/
• 2388[18:14:42] <apollo13> apt-file search ntpq
• 2389[18:14:42] <annadane> well, it's in jessie, so it does exist
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• 2391[18:15:05] <jomofcw> I've config my /etc/network/interfaces like that "replaced-url
• 2392[18:15:10] <apollo13> and replaced-url
• 2393[18:15:23] <BlackBishop> that's where I was looking
• 2394[18:15:25] <BlackBishop> one sec.
• 2395[18:15:33] <BlackBishop> maybe I broke something in the repos
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• 2399[18:17:31] <jelly> ,file bin/ntpq --release jessie
• 2400[18:17:35] <judd> Search for bin/ntpq in jessie/amd64: ntp: usr/bin/ntpq
• 2401[18:17:40] <jelly> still there
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• 2403[18:17:47] <BlackBishop> replaced-url
• 2404[18:17:52] <BlackBishop> I'm doing something wrong then
• 2405[18:18:17] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 2406[18:18:17] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 2407[18:18:19] <annadane> (first of all, consider upgrading to 8.10)
• 2408[18:18:43] <BlackBishop> of course.
• 2409[18:19:05] <BlackBishop> "off-topic" how do I see if I have something from deb-src ?!
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• 2411[18:19:21] <jelly> you look at the file contents?
• 2412[18:19:37] <BlackBishop> ok, so stuff from deb-src doesn't get installed in a system-wide path
• 2413[18:20:19] <BlackBishop> replaced-url
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• 2415[18:20:52] <annadane> looks right
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• 2417[18:21:27] <BlackBishop> apt-get update .. updates stuff, apt-get install ntp .. nope :|
• 2418[18:21:29] <BlackBishop> damn it.
• 2419[18:21:49] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
• 2420[18:21:49] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2423[18:22:15] <BlackBishop> one sec
• 2424[18:22:28] <jomofcw> OK I seems to be wrong, on this new server, eth0 seems to be called enp2s0 ...
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• 2426[18:23:04] <BlackBishop> uuuuuu .. ntp is pinned for some reason ! :))
• 2427[18:23:04] <jomofcw> It's fixed, sorry for disturbing you there =).
• 2428[18:23:11] <jomofcw> See ya !
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• 2430[18:23:19] * annadane immediately suspects synaptic
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• 2433[18:24:28] <annadane> wait then if it's pinned why would it say command not found
• 2434[18:24:45] <BlackBishop> I think it's because I tried installing it with ansible .. and I have apt-listbugs
• 2435[18:24:58] <annadane> oh yeah listbugs does it too
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• 2438[18:25:24] <annadane> well, "too", it's basically only listbugs
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• 2441[18:27:04] <BlackBishop> yeah, but for some reason ansible doesn't seem to treat the case
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• 2532[19:07:16] <anon> hi
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• 2536[19:08:39] <Guest56821> who are you
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• 2538[19:09:22] <waydot> anyone else experienced thin crashing with "stack smashing detected"?
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• 2543[19:11:43] <annadane> hi Guest56821, this is a support channel for debian
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• 2596[19:39:56] <mefistofeles> hello
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• 2602[19:41:25] <mefistofeles> So I have this old container I'm trying to migrate to another host, I could set it up but it won't let me run sudo inside of the container, complaining about "sudo: effective uid is not 0, is sudo installed setuid root?" I already checked /usr/bin/sudo permissions and they are ok and also checked the FS is not with nosuid option, but I'm still getting the problem, any ideas how to attack this one?
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• 2620[19:50:35] <karlpinc> mefistofeles: Be root with "su -" and the root password?
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• 2622[19:51:14] <Brigo> mefistofeles, from the troubleshouting in the doc: # chown root /usr/local/bin/sudo; chmod 4755 /usr/local/bin/sudo
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• 2624[19:51:29] <Brigo> maybe the path is not right.
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• 2647[20:04:07] <annadane> god damnit, i always forget, how do you update youtube-dl in a virtualenv
• 2648[20:04:48] <annadane> found it... pip install --upgrade youtube-dl
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• 2685[20:24:26] <bumbar> i have a server with 1 interface and want to add additional ip's to it; i've tried yesterday according to replaced-url
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• 2690[20:33:21] <noodlepie> I managed to remove a broken package - dynuiuc - which partially installed and then broke refusing the purge. I downloaded the package again and reinstall. then removed it and that worked!
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• 2692[20:33:53] <noodlepie> Debian works well and I like binary packages for slower CPUs. On my faster 8Core i7 I run Gentoo which builds all packages from source.
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• 2713[20:40:25] <bites> bumbar: you don't need to rename your interface to eth0. the important bit is the colon and the number. but using alias interfaces is the old was. with iproute2 you can add multiple addresses to one interface.
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• 2715[20:40:41] <bites> s/was/way/
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• 2720[20:43:43] <bumbar> bites, i've added it to /etc/network/interfaces, how do i bring it up? "ifup enp32s0" says it's already configured
• 2721[20:44:19] <bites> ifup enp32s0:0 ? or whatever you have called it.
• 2722[20:44:37] <karlpinc> bumbar: You may need to bring down the old interface name. I forget.
• 2723[20:44:54] <karlpinc> bumbar: ip link down eth0 Or some such.
• 2724[20:44:56] <greycat> I assumed the question was "how do I make it assign the additional addresses if I used multiple address instead of the old 'alias' :1 :2 ... syntax"
• 2725[20:45:37] <greycat> I would probably do "ifdown enp32s0; sleep 1; ifup enp32s0" but I don't know if there's a less intrusive way
• 2726[20:45:53] <karlpinc> bumbar: Anyhow, good practice to move to the enp... name. You'll need to do this for the next major upgrade so may as well do it while you're in there.
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• 2728[20:46:27] <karlpinc> I suppose there's always brute force, reboot. I just recall having problems renaming from eth0 to the enp... name, just like bumbar.
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• 2730[20:47:13] <jhutchins_wk> karlpinc: Are they changing the naming scheme again?
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• 2732[20:47:35] <bumbar> yeah, i've read about new naming scheme
• 2733[20:47:39] <greycat> I set up some new stretch workstations in one of our labs, and the vendor's "discover the IP address and MAC address so we can issue a single-computer license" script blew up. I had to install net-tools, and I had to go back to the eth0 naming. And their script STILL fails because the output format of ifconfig changed.
• 2734[20:47:47] <bumbar> anyways, here's how the interfaces file looks like: replaced-url
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• 2736[20:47:53] <karlpinc> jhutchins_wk: The info is in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz. But there's better description of the process in the latest sid doc of the same name.
• 2737[20:48:01] <greycat> So I have to manually paste the MAC address along with the output of their script.
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• 2739[20:48:33] <bumbar> should the second iface line be enp32s0:0?
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• 2741[20:49:15] <bites> yes, just like in the wiki.
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• 2743[20:50:44] <bumbar> that's legacy way, no? with iproute way, can't i just edit interfaces file? or do i have to run a command, ip addr add something something?
• 2744[20:50:52] <bites> you probably also want a auto enp32s0:0 line.
• 2745[20:51:16] <greycat> the :0 way is considered legacy, yes, but I don't know where the new way is documented.
• 2746[20:51:17] <jhutchins_wk> karlpinc: That looks more like they're switching TO the enp32s0 style.
• 2747[20:51:26] <greycat> I just checked interfaces(5) and there are no examples with multiple addresses.
• 2748[20:51:39] <karlpinc> jhutchins_wk: Yes. Sorry for the confusion.
• 2749[20:51:49] <bites> with ip route you can put a post-up line in interfaces to add addresses after the interface has been brought up.
• 2750[20:51:59] <bumbar> greycat, replaced-url
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• 2754[20:53:07] <greycat> I don't understand the examples that show "auto eth0" and "allow-hotplug eth0". I thought allow-hotplug and auto were mutually exclusive.
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• 2759[20:57:07] <jhutchins_wk> Trying to use the newer tools, I get enp0s3 from ifconfig, but ifdown enp0s3 says unknown interface.
• 2760[20:57:38] <greycat> ifdown reads what's in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2762[20:58:05] <bites> bumbar: "post-up /bin/ip address add <ip-address in CIDR> dev enp32s0" that's something you could put in the interfaces file to add an additional address with iproute2
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• 2773[21:00:12] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, and I'm using NM on this one, silly me.
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• 2778[21:02:06] <bites> hmm... maybe it would be smart to add "pre-down ip address del <ip-address in CIDR> dev enp32s0" to it.
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• 2819[21:22:52] <hays_> If I want a simple mail agent that does the following: (1) handles routing of local mail to mailboxes (2) does aliasing in /etc (3) listens on port 25 and delivers mail aliases that are going to be basically external (aliased to other email accounts)to a subset of users, again with alias support... what should I use?
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• 2822[21:23:18] <hays_> It seems like Exim might be the choice for this.. since once you are listening on P25 dragonfly is out
• 2823[21:24:18] <karlpinc> hays_: I use postfix for everything because it can do the simple things simply and the complicated things. YMMV.
• 2824[21:24:40] <hays_> that said the docs on exim for debian seem to be a little erroneous, at least when I was trying to use them for a particular thing
• 2825[21:25:22] <greycat> Once you have incoming mail to handle, all of the simple options are just thrown out. You pick from exim, postfix, sendmail, or whatever other full-fledged MTA you're most comfortable with.
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• 2828[21:25:38] <hays_> email seems to be one of those things that really shouldn't be setup by pasting together poorly understood stackoverflow posts, so if I do it, I probably want something that has pretty solid documentation and maybe a book
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• 2831[21:26:26] <karlpinc> hays_: It often boils down to what you are confortable with.
• 2832[21:26:28] <hays_> greycat: yeah. I mean, I think in my case all received email will get forwarded to some other host so its simple in that sense
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• 2837[21:26:58] <hays_> karlpinc: im comfortable with none of it. I seem to have ended up using exim for systems Ive set up where sending email is needed
• 2838[21:27:22] <hays_> but wow did I have an ordeal getting exim to properly DKIM-sign messages.
• 2839[21:27:31] <karlpinc> hays_: Postfix has: relayhost and remote_header_rewrite_domain to help with your sort of setup.
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• 2842[21:28:32] <hays_> what ended up working was rerunning dpkg-configure on it.. update-exim4.conf didn't seem to do anything
• 2843[21:29:06] <hays_> yeah, I see postfix being used with dovecot for more complicated setups too
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• 2846[21:29:41] <furrymcgee> exim works for me and its the default in debian
• 2847[21:29:51] <furrymcgee> where are the docs erroneous?
• 2848[21:29:53] <bug> hays_, replaced-url
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• 2850[21:30:04] <annadane> i actually think exim isn't installed by default?
• 2851[21:31:16] <annadane> well, that killed the conversation, sorry :P
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• 2853[21:32:39] <hays_> furrymcgee: the docs say that you can run update-exim4.conf and restart exim and that will update the configuration, but I found that not to be the case
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• 2856[21:33:37] <hays_> also they didn't cover DKIM. it was actually some docs at debian-administration.org that were erroneous regarding the details of DKIM
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• 2860[21:34:27] <hays_> here's what I was looking at replaced-url
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• 2863[21:36:20] <hays_> annadane: For what its worth, I can't remember. But I think it is because its probably how I ended up choosing it
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• 2865[21:37:09] <piterke> witam wszystkich szukam kolegi diogenesa
• 2866[21:37:12] <hays_> I read something on a wiki somewhere that Dragonfly is being considered as a default--also that no MTA was being considered. Seems unlikely to not have any MTA at all, given how much its used for system things. But maybe in this desktop-oriented world it is a possibility
• 2867[21:38:06] <annadane> it's interesting, i'm not sure debian even has a MTA installed by default
• 2868[21:38:11] <annadane> i'm probably very mistaken
• 2869[21:38:22] <annadane> s/a MTA/an MTA
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• 2871[21:38:25] <greycat> exim4 used to be installed by default, but I think you're right, this changed recently
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• 2875[21:39:05] <annadane> therefore i'm sure it's a dependency for a zillion different programs
• 2876[21:39:49] <greycat> cron simply has "Recommends: exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent" instead of a hard Depends. I have no idea where cron's output goes if an MTA isn't installed. /dev/null ???
• 2877[21:40:07] <greycat> or just lost somewhere in the journalctl swamp?
• 2878[21:40:55] <annadane> i guess if you try running a cron job with no MTA it prompts you to install one, maybe
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• 2880[21:41:19] <greycat> I don't think so
• 2881[21:41:59] <furrymcgee> there is a virtual package default-mta
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• 2887[21:43:46] <greycat> you mean mail-transport-agent, right?
• 2888[21:44:48] <greycat> Oh, they *both* exist. Gah. What the hell....
• 2889[21:45:03] <greycat> bsd-mailx has Depends: base-files (>= 2.2.0), default-mta | mail-transport-agent, ...
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• 2922[21:59:51] <karlpinc> !ask
• 2923[21:59:51] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2924[22:00:43] <annadane> i basically ignore them at this point
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• 2960[22:13:27] <nesnahnhoj> stretch will not boot after install completed
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• 2962[22:13:48] <karlpinc> nesnahnhoj: What sort of "will not boot" happens?
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• 2965[22:14:40] <nesnahnhoj> blank screen nothing more
• 2966[22:15:44] <annadane> may be a corrupt image, how did you write it to the install medium?
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• 2969[22:16:29] <karlpinc> nesnahnhoj: Did you use the regular installer or the unofficial installer with non-free firmware? (I'm thinking maybe the video needs firmware. Haven't seen what happens when it does.)
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• 2971[22:16:49] <nesnahnhoj> having already failed with dowloaded images I bought a DVD from the linux shop
• 2972[22:16:51] <annadane> sorry karl, you answered it first, i shouldn't butt in
• 2973[22:17:03] <karlpinc> nesnahnhoj: The way forward (aside from reinstalling) is to reboot using your installer media into "rescue" mode.
• 2974[22:17:32] <karlpinc> annadane: Hey, everybody gets to butt-in. That way our cumulative stupidity will overwelm the opposition.
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• 2976[22:18:27] <nesnahnhoj> done that and it takes me to a reboot which fails in exactly the same way and tells me nothing
• 2977[22:18:37] <karlpinc> annadane: And at any moment I might evaporate and return to my magic lantern.
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• 2979[22:19:07] <karlpinc> nesnahnhoj: I'd try to be in rescue mode and look at the disk and see what the logs say about the boot process.
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• 2981[22:19:45] <nesnahnhoj> how do I see the log?
• 2982[22:20:22] <karlpinc> nesnahnhoj: Honestly, I forget. There must be a way to get into a shell. I think the rescue mode mounts your disk....
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• 2984[22:21:00] <karlpinc> nesnahnhoj: There's no "start a shell" or "run bash" or some such option once you're in rescue mode?
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• 2988[22:22:18] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 2990[22:22:53] <annadane> i386 but it ought to be the same for all arches, anyway, replaced-url
• 2991[22:22:56] <nesnahnhoj> thanks karl I did see some stuff about filesystems in rescue process I'll go there again and do some more headscratching - thanks
• 2992[22:24:04] <karlpinc> nesnahnhoj: annadane's link might help. Once there, use "less" or whatever to get to the logs.
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• 3000[22:25:15] <annadane> nesnahnhoj, are you able to reach GRUB at all?
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• 3002[22:26:12] <nesnahnhoj> what should I do then?
• 3003[22:27:26] <karlpinc> nesnahnhoj: Once you have a shell?
• 3004[22:27:26] <annadane> i'm just wondering whether it fails before grub or not
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• 3008[22:28:06] <karlpinc> annadane: That is a good question -- does the grub menu come up?
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• 3013[22:29:02] <annadane> if even rescue mode fails it implies a bad image
• 3014[22:29:26] <annadane> i'd at least *maybe* try re-burning the image, depending on what you have available, any other CD's or USB's
• 3015[22:29:38] <annadane> but i really don't know what i'm talking about
• 3016[22:30:44] <karlpinc> If the installer boots and runs that's a good sign that the image is good(ish). If you use a netinstall (almost always the best choice) then there's not much on the installer.
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• 3019[22:31:39] <nesnahnhoj> many thanks annadane & karl lots to follow up manana. Goodnight
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• 3021[22:32:05] <annadane> nesnahnhoj, and you can also try the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org
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• 3024[22:33:43] <annadane> i hate being like "well, here's one of 15 possible solutions"
• 3025[22:33:49] <annadane> i'd like to at least be a little bit helpful
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• 3036[22:40:10] <mefistofeles> sorry the delay
• 3037[22:40:21] <mefistofeles> < karlpinc> mefistofeles: Be root with "su -" and the root password? ---> there's no root user
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• 3040[22:40:44] <mefistofeles> < Brigo> maybe the path is not right. ---> the path is OK, I have the same container working in another machine with the same path
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• 3044[22:42:23] <karlpinc> mefistofeles: Your basic problem is that sudo does not work and you can't be root, right?
• 3045[22:42:36] <karlpinc> (so you can't be root)
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• 3058[22:47:43] <mefistofeles> karlpinc: right, that's my issue
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• 3079[23:00:52] <karlpinc> mefistofeles: If it was not a container I'd say put the drive into another box and mount the filesystem and then "do things". I don't know how to get to the filesystem in "a container". I suppose it depends on what sort of container.
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• 3097[23:08:21] <jhutchins_wk> Sooner or later, you figure out that a container wasn't the brilliant solution you were hoping it would be.
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• 3100[23:11:10] <annadane> as is usually the case with a new technology people instantly get hyped over
• 3101[23:11:52] <darsie> Why do I get these kernel messages in the konsole? replaced-url
• 3102[23:11:59] <mefistofeles> karlpinc: it's a lxc container, I have a tarball with the FS
• 3103[23:12:04] <mefistofeles> if that helps
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• 3119[23:20:10] <TwistedFate> Does this mean it only has source files or the whole thing in experimental? [2018-03-28] Accepted mesa 18.0.0-1 (source) into experimental (Andreas Boll)
• 3120[23:20:55] <karlpinc> mefistofeles: You should be able to loop mount the disk image. Although if you have a filesystem you could just restore that somewhere. You want to "migrate it". What does that mean? What needs to be done to reach the end-goal?
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• 3131[23:27:33] <furrymcgee> TwistedFate: there are binaries too
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• 3133[23:29:49] <mefistofeles> karlpinc: ok, let me explain what I'm doing. I have a production container (lxc container) that I want to clone and do some stuff in it. I stopped the container, did a tarball with the FS conserving permissions and copied it to another host, where I set up the container but I get the sudo problems I mentioned in the beggining, even though permissions for the sudo executable are fine.
• 3134[23:30:39] <TwistedFate> thanks furrymcgee
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• 3136[23:34:23] <rpifan> r u a furry furrymcgee
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• 3141[23:35:31] <furrymcgee> no
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• 3159[23:41:53] <izaoeuoisdf> hello
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• 3164[23:46:52] <awal1> hi
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• 3166[23:47:50] <awal1> izaoeuoisdf, do you have any question?
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• 3174[23:54:19] <darsie> what causes 'aptitude install' to want to install a bunch of nvidia packages? I messed up while trying to install steam.
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• 3179[23:56:15] <abr0tman> abrotman is a fucking asshole and he likes to put his dirty penis in a dirty gays asshol which is full of stinky poop
• 3180[23:56:17] <abr0tman> abrotman is a fucking asshole and he likes to put his dirty penis in a dirty gays asshol which is full of stinky poop
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• 3182[23:56:24] <abr0tman> abrotman is a fucking asshole and he likes to put his dirty penis in a dirty gays asshol which is full of stinky poop
• 3183[23:56:24] <abr0tman> abrotman is a fucking asshole and he likes to put his dirty penis in a dirty gays asshol which is full of stinky poop
• 3184[23:56:24] <abr0tman> abrotman is a fucking asshole and he likes to put his dirty penis in a dirty gays asshol which is full of stinky poop
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• 3189[23:57:20] <darsie> what causes 'aptitude install' to want to install a bunch of nvidia packages? I messed up while trying to install steam. replaced-url
• 3190[23:58:23] <darsie> Is there a magic command I can use to find out which package to remove to stop that?
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• 3192[23:59:06] <Tenkawa> darsie: there is however I cant remember syntax off hand
• 3193[23:59:33] <darsie> Sounds like a mathematicians answer ;).
• 3194[23:59:53] <Tenkawa> look in manpage.. i think you can run it in dry-run mode and it wont make any changes
• 3195[23:59:54] <darsie> "This problem is solvable." :)
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• 3197[23:59:56] <tcurtis> #java
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