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0 [00:00:06] <dTal> still
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3 [00:00:29] <olivetree_> dtal
4 [00:00:52] <joker_89> hi, i have a debian installation in a
SD, i have copied all the files to my HD and then copy again to
another sd but it doesnt work the SO :/
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7 [00:01:27] <olivetree_> dTal, i have the file on dcc waiting
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11 [00:02:03] <olivetree_> lol
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13 [00:02:04] <olivetree_> oki
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19 [00:03:20] <olivetree_> Sure
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22 [00:04:50] <olivetree_> accept
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29 [00:07:07] <zuiss1> hi, is pip install a recommended way of
installing things in debian which are not in the repos? the
developer's github page says to do that
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32 [00:07:37] <AnViar> yes, sure
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39 [00:11:37] <olivetree_> Want me to sen by mail?
40 [00:12:07] <olivetree_> it's not on the internet anymore
41 [00:12:14] <olivetree_> i think
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43 [00:12:35] <olivetree_> At least not on the avermedia site
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45 [00:13:11] <dTal> what's wrong with this?
replaced-url
46 [00:13:17] <dTal> apart from being newer :p
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48 [00:13:26] <dTal>
replaced-url
49 [00:13:55] <dTal> wait that's x86 you probably want x64
replaced-url
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51 [00:14:30] <olivetree_> no a x86 is fine, my laptop is 32bit
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55 [00:17:22] <dTal> zuiss1: no, definitely not
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57 [00:18:12] <dTal> it'll be a big mess if you start
mixing pip and apt
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66 [00:20:15] <dTal> there's a few things that convert pip
packages to Debian ones, can't remember names
67 [00:20:18] <teraflops> zuiss1: avoid sudo pip install things
68 [00:21:10] <teraflops> zuiss1: use --user or better use
virtualenvs or even better use packages from official repositories
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79 [00:24:50] <dTal> zuiss1: I've had reasonable results
with "stdeb"
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82 [00:25:38] <dTal> it doesn't handle dependencies very
well (at all?) but it does allow you to "safely" install
packages from pip system-wide
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86 [00:27:29] <dTal> then there's "py2deb" which
seems good but I've not tried
87 [00:28:06] <dTal> olivetree_: how's that driver working
out
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96 [00:30:38] <somiaj> dTal: have you seen the python
debian-helper scripts? Also installing stuff in a python virtual
enviroment is a safe way to do things without messing with system
wide stuff
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102 [00:34:01] <zuiss1> teraflops, dTal thanks
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106 [00:36:06] <somiaj> zuiss1: dh-python
107 [00:36:13] <somiaj> that is the debian-helper scripts
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109 [00:36:35] <zuiss1> cool
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112 [00:37:07] <somiaj> but I personally suggest pip in a python
virtual enviorment, unless you are needing to distribute this to
lots of machines
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114 [00:37:20] <teraflops> yeah
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120 [00:38:45] <dTal> sometimes it's nice to install things
system-wide though
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123 [00:39:06] <dTal> for instance I like to use bpython as a
repl for the system python,
124 [00:39:41] <somiaj> I would not use anything as a replacement
for the system python, system packages and scripts depend on
/usr/bin/python being correct.
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130 [00:42:19] <dTal> somiaj: it does not replace the system
python
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134 [00:43:44] <olivetree_> dtal, i'm trying to debug that
source
135 [00:43:45] <olivetree_> :)
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139 [00:45:26] <dTal> so the newer one doesn't work either?
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189 [01:27:08] <Tachaway> how do I have console-setup load a
non-standard console font? I've placed font4x6.psf.gz in
/usr/share/consolefonts/ and I can set it manually with setfont but
I'm unsure of what to put on /etc/default/console-setup to have
it load automatically, fontface font and size 4x6 didn't do
it...
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250 [01:53:44] <luisoliv> hey guys, i've just installed
debian 8 jeessie, where can i find the audio devices settings?
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252 [01:54:11] <luisoliv> i can't find it anywhere and VLC
is reproducing music to my laptop's speakers instead of my
headphones
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261 [01:59:01] <G66K> hello yall
262 [01:59:17] <G66K> is there any package that automaticly free
ram ?
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264 [01:59:32] <tw> free -m
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266 [01:59:46] <tw> err, you mean frees it for you?
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269 [02:00:04] <G66K> tw: yeah
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271 [02:00:46] <tw> Exit programs. You don't want to free
the fs cache.
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277 [02:01:37] <G66K> tw i have exit all programs and still using
50% of my memory
278 [02:02:43] <tw> G66K: in free -m, on line 2, under used, does
that say 50% of your ram in MB?
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286 [02:06:12] <luisoliv> guys, what unit use the fre e-m
command?
287 [02:06:44] <luisoliv> bytes or bits?
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289 [02:06:59] <rjsalts> luisoliv: man free
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291 [02:07:25] <rjsalts> luisoliv: -m -> Display the amount of
memory in megabytes.
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314 [02:11:13] <G66K> tw: its said 70
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332 [02:20:56] <JC_SoCal> i have a debian system i modified to
boot straight to a shell script to allow a remote laptop to be
configured without requiring a login. However, after it boots, I get
these messages that pop up I took a picture of it here:
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338 [02:22:46] <luisoliv> guys, which is the normal memory use
for a recently installed debian 8?
339 [02:23:29] <n4dir> luisoliv: i would assume that depends if
you use a GUI, if yes which one, etc
340 [02:23:37] <luisoliv> xfce4
341 [02:23:56] <n4dir> how much RAM it uses if no other programs
are running?
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343 [02:24:22] <luisoliv> 1219 mb
344 [02:24:33] <luisoliv> the only program running right now is
hexchat
345 [02:24:57] <n4dir> back then xfce booted to ca 70 MB. That
went up, not sure how much (200 might be).
346 [02:25:10] <n4dir> it also depends how much RAM you have, i
think
347 [02:25:12] <dax> !atemyram
348 [02:25:12] <dpkg> "Linux ate my ram!" No, it
didn't. Read this:
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349 [02:25:21] <n4dir> 1200 if no apps are running sounds like a
lot
350 [02:25:23] <dax> tl;dr: linux uses RAM, because having it
just sit there looking pretty is stupid
351 [02:25:30] <dax> stop caring about it unless you're
actually running out and swapping
352 [02:25:59] <luisoliv> dax, so it' actually ues it as
cache, unless i start a ram-heavy-usage program??
353 [02:26:01] <n4dir> iirc that link doesn't really speaks
about if nothing besides the gui is running at all
354 [02:26:35] <luisoliv> i just care because linux is suposed to
be more lightweight than winblows but then i boot this new debian 8
and....
355 [02:27:18] <phogg> luisoliv: run free -m, look at the
buffers/cache line. The free on *that* line is probably what you
think of as free.
356 [02:27:20] <dax> if you want the RAM to sit there and not be
used, remove it from your PC and frame it on the wall
357 [02:27:39] <dax> obsessing about "lightweight" when
you're not actually hitting memory issues is wasting your time
and the time of people attempting to help you
358 [02:27:47] <n4dir> if you don't do anything, what is the
RAM used for?
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360 [02:28:04] <n4dir> ps_mem.py : 245.7 MiB
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363 [02:28:43] <dax> (and this goes just as much for Windows
users as Linux ones, for what it's worth)
364 [02:28:46] <yokisuci> :q
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366 [02:28:55] <luisoliv> damn the salt is real here
367 [02:29:28] <luisoliv> the problem with that link is, my free
-m version doesnt have the last column that shows
"available" memory
368 [02:29:51] <luisoliv> but i get the idea since windows
partially have the same feature called "disk compression"
369 [02:30:00] * dax blinks
370 [02:30:01] <luisoliv> remarks on "partially"
371 [02:30:31] <dax> disk compression has nothing to do with
memory usage
372 [02:30:33] <phogg> luisoliv: that's not at all the same
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374 [02:30:52] <luisoliv> sorry, i confused terms, i meant
superfetch
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376 [02:31:10] <phogg> luisoliv: That's also not the same.
Superfetch is a separate daemon
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378 [02:31:20] <NancyAnne_Cianci> yeah
379 [02:31:32] <luisoliv> phogg, but suposedly uses your ram for
file caching while it is not being used
380 [02:31:47] <phogg> luisoliv: it tries to preload things
"just in case"; in Linux this doesn't happen, instead
things read from disk are retained until they can't be any
more.
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382 [02:31:53] <NancyAnne_Cianci> anyone uses LEAP / bitmask ?
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384 [02:32:23] <phogg> luisoliv: It's not the same at all.
Windows does caching, too; all OSes do this to some extent.
Superfetch is over and above filesystem caching.
385 [02:32:32] <dax> (Linux has equivalent readahead daemons.
I'm unsure whether they're actually installed by default
these days, since I have an SSD these days so haven't bothered
looking.)
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388 [02:33:05] <luisoliv> dax, what are your reading/writing
speedS?
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390 [02:33:11] <phogg> dax: I'm surprised, the chances of
such daemons being practically useful seems slim to me. More of a
marketing gimmick.
391 [02:33:13] <NancyAnne_Cianci> how to force debtags into
Synaptic ?
392 [02:33:17] <dax> luisoliv: no idea
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395 [02:34:04] <NancyAnne_Cianci> how to force debtags into
Synaptic ? debtags-edit ...
396 [02:34:17] <NancyAnne_Cianci> no workie
397 [02:34:23] <NancyAnne_Cianci> equivs-build
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400 [02:34:58] <hugh-adolph>
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401 [02:35:13] <hugh-adolph> playtest if you can
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403 [02:35:39] <NancyAnne_Cianci> Adolf H ?
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405 [02:36:16] <hugh-adolph> !
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407 [02:36:22] <NancyAnne_Cianci> !
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409 [02:37:34] <NancyAnne_Cianci> !commands
410 [02:37:34] <dpkg> well, commands is The Linux command
reference may be found here:
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411 [02:37:47] <NancyAnne_Cianci> !help
412 [02:37:58] <bazhang> NancyAnne_Cianci, with what
413 [02:38:13] <NancyAnne_Cianci> just goofing around... ;-)
414 [02:38:32] <n4dir> doing that via /msg dpkg is not an option?
415 [02:38:35] <bazhang> #debian-offtopic please NancyAnne_Cianci
416 [02:39:04] <NancyAnne_Cianci> newbie here
417 [02:39:12] <NancyAnne_Cianci> <---- noob
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421 [02:40:35] <NancyAnne_Cianci> "bitmask" is a decent
oVPN for debian
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423 [02:40:44] <NancyAnne_Cianci> free!
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426 [02:44:10] <tw> bytes./window 23
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429 [02:45:33] <NancyAnne_Cianci> why has Jessie no higher kernel
than 3.16 ?
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483 [03:24:44] <JC_SoCal> is there a way to prevent these status
messages from displaying?
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484 [03:24:55] <JC_SoCal> they come up right after boot
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517 [03:44:31] <zykotick9> ,kernels
518 [03:44:32] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid:
4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3);
jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie:
3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports:
3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
(3.2.84-1)
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527 [03:48:41] <tomcres> ,v steam-devices
528 [03:48:42] <judd> Package: steam-devices on amd64 --
sid/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2
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541 [03:56:05] <luisoliv> guys, how can i set the default audio
device by terminal?
542 [03:57:27] <zykotick9> luisoliv: try "cat
/proc/asound/cards" <- probably the one starting with 0
543 [03:57:35] <zykotick9> luisoliv: sorry, "set"...
544 [03:57:41] <zykotick9> luisoliv: ignore me.
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548 [03:59:22] <luisoliv> zykotick9, using the CAT command trows
me all the sound device (including my headphones)
549 [03:59:32] <luisoliv> but i dont know how to set onie as the
default
550 [03:59:43] <luisoliv> and SET with that route doesnt work for
me
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555 [04:01:48] <zykotick9> luisoliv: sorry, i misread you
origional question. i thought you wanted to "see" not
"set". i believe you'd have to right a udev rule for
your sound device
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557 [04:02:55] <luisoliv> zykotick9, in english?
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559 [04:03:11] <luisoliv> im new to debian man, i dont know what
is a udev rule
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563 [04:04:45] <zykotick9> luisoliv: i'm sorry, i don't
have much in the way of details for you. a couple years ago i had
problems with 2 sound devices (and them switching between boots) -
personally i just "gave up"... so i hope you have better
luck (or more persistance/knowledge).
564 [04:05:34] <nutron> Asking if it's policy to require
packages to include an entry in /usr/share/menu ? Or is the debian
menu system now deprecated?
565 [04:06:00] <dvs> ptions snd-hda-intel index=0 model=auto
vid=8086 pid=9d70
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571 [04:11:54] <ryouma> is there something quick that will make
logwatch report less stuff? i just want kernel errors and warnings
and stuff like that, not disk usage or verbose headers on when
logwatch was done.
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575 [04:13:57] <ryouma> seems the configuration is not in /etc/
but in /usr/share/logwatch? is that fhs-kosher?
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581 [04:17:39] <luisoliv> guys what does have /proc/asound/cards
?
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585 [04:20:16] <somiaj> luisoliv: that should just be the kernel
file system that lists the current detected/loaded sound cards
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587 [04:23:45] <awal1> X will be replaced entirely by wayland
something like in 10 years? :P
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600 [04:30:04] <somiaj> awal1: not quite true
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603 [04:30:26] <dvs> 9 years?
604 [04:30:45] <awal1> somiaj, I was thinking that maybe many
wm's will be abandoned bcoz of wayland
605 [04:30:47] <somiaj> awal1: wayland and Xorg do different
things, but many use cases don't need all the backwards
compliant and server side stuff of xorg.
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608 [04:31:43] <somiaj> xorg won't be going away any time
soon, but wayland will become more and more the standard.
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610 [04:32:46] <awal1> does fvwm depends too much in xlib?
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612 [04:33:58] <somiaj> all wms do, any wm will have to be
rewritten to be a wayland client.
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614 [04:34:13] <somiaj> though in theory you can run the wm on
top with the x11 wrapper, but I'm unsure on this.
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618 [04:35:28] <awal1> looks like i3 and bspwm are in the way
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623 [04:36:42] <somiaj> there will be wms that become wayland
clients so you don't need a DE, but fvwm won't be one.
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630 [04:39:34] <luisoliv> guys, do you have any idea of how can i
set the default sound device in debian 8?
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638 [04:45:05] <somiaj> luisoliv: do you use alsa or pulseaudio?
639 [04:45:27] <awal1> somiaj, anyway, until wayland become
default, fvwm and openbox will be always installed here ... P
640 [04:46:05] <aypea[0]> does anyone use ethernet bonding?
trying to figure out the config for xmit_hash_policy. I've got
'bond-xmit_hash_policy layer2+3' but it's not working
:( this is on stretch
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645 [04:48:43] <dvs> luisoliv,
replaced-url
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647 [04:49:21] <DeaDSouL> hi, does anyone know how to update
samsung 850 pro ssd firmware on linux?
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651 [04:51:40] <aypea[0]> wtf. none of the options are activating
652 [04:51:43] <aypea[0]> grr
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669 [05:06:28] <HisaoNakai> o/
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672 [05:08:33] <contrapunctus> I'm getting an incessant
*flood* of messages on this (non-graphical) Debian installation
"rt2800pci 0000:04:00.0: firmware: failed to load rt3290.bin
(-2)" and I just can't stop it :\
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675 [05:09:00] <dvs> !firmware iso
676 [05:09:00] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images -
containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for
installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from
replaced-url
677 [05:09:03] <contrapunctus> the power button on the laptop
seems to suspend or hibernate or something, long-pressing
didn't kill it
678 [05:09:51] <contrapunctus> and C-d'ing or changing to
another virtual console isn't resulting in any change
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680 [05:11:01] <contrapunctus> dvs: ...*and* I don't have
any source of internet connectivity outside of mobile wifi
hotspots/usb tethering :(
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707 [05:29:57] <luisoliv> guys, why always when i try to install
a new package from synaptics, i prompts me to insert the instalation
DVD1 of debian?
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710 [05:31:14] <LinuxNIT> you probably have a DVD in your
/etc/apt/sources.list
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740 [05:51:52] <contrapunctus> Will a DVD/USB install ISO contain
network-manager?
741 [05:53:44] <themill> yes
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757 [06:02:59] <bushbush> Hello!
758 [06:03:20] <bushbush> How do I check if my hard drive is
prone to fail soon?
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761 [06:04:16] <ryouma> smartctl
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763 [06:04:21] <LinuxNIT>
replaced-url
764 [06:04:23] <Rusty1_> bushbush: install smartmontools
765 [06:04:32] <luisoliv> bushbush, answer these 2 questions :
1.- the hardrive has more than 5 years working? and 2.- have you
lost any files that was on your dekstop or in your documents folder?
766 [06:04:33] <bushbush> I've had a few encounters of os
installation failure on the hard disk because installation says that
hdd might be old already, already failed or transferring to a room
where it's quite cold might help the installation succeed.
767 [06:04:50] <luisoliv> if any of those is yes, then yes you
hdd maybe is prone to fail soon
768 [06:05:00] <bushbush> luisoliv: No for both.
769 [06:05:12] <bushbush> I bought my PC in 2013.
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771 [06:05:38] <luisoliv> bushbush, in that case, your HDD is
still in pretty good shape
772 [06:05:51] <luisoliv> unless is a HDD of an HP laptop
773 [06:05:52] <LinuxNIT> test the drive
774 [06:06:01] <bushbush> luisoliv: It is actually :)
775 [06:06:02] <LinuxNIT> age is no guarantee
776 [06:06:07] <bushbush> My laptop is a HP Pavilion.
777 [06:06:23] <luisoliv> bushbush, lmao, btw your computer is an
HP pavilion G6?
778 [06:06:26] <luisoliv> omg
779 [06:06:32] <bushbush> HP Pavilion 15
780 [06:06:32] <luisoliv> we have the same laptop
781 [06:06:41] <luisoliv> welp, almost...
782 [06:06:46] <bushbush> Hehe
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785 [06:07:28] <bushbush> LinuxNIT: Should I test it with
smartctl and/or smartmontools as suggested by ryouma and Rusty1_
respectively?
786 [06:07:42] <ryouma> badblocks maybe
787 [06:07:51] <bushbush> ryouma: What does that mean?
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789 [06:08:12] <bushbush> Would FDE help resolve the bad blocks
problem?
790 [06:08:17] <LinuxNIT> smartctl is part of smartmontools
791 [06:08:18] <awal1> ,v gsmartmontool
792 [06:08:20] <judd> No package named 'gsmartmontool'
was found in amd64.
793 [06:08:31] <bushbush> Welp.
794 [06:08:43] <LinuxNIT> ,v gsmartcontrol
795 [06:08:44] <awal1> smartctl have a gui front-end; i forgot
the name
796 [06:08:45] <judd> Package: gsmartcontrol on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.8.6-1.2; jessie: 0.8.7-1.1; sid: 0.8.7-1.2; stretch: 0.8.7-1.2
797 [06:09:07] <awal1> that
798 [06:09:29] <bushbush> Ok
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802 [06:10:03] <bushbush> LinuxNIT: Should I check it with
gsmartcontrol?
803 [06:10:27] <LinuxNIT> thats fine. it uses smartctl as the
backend
804 [06:10:40] <LinuxNIT> well it runs smart tests anyway
805 [06:10:55] <bushbush> How about gnome-disks?
806 [06:11:04] <LinuxNIT> i dunno
807 [06:11:11] <LinuxNIT> if it can run a smart test sure
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809 [06:11:39] <bushbush> It has "SMART Data &
Self-Tests" option.
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813 [06:12:13] <bushbush> I'll just use gsmartcontrol :)
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817 [06:14:22] <bushbush> I have an error.
818 [06:14:31] <bushbush> I'm running gsmartcontrol as root,
is that ok?
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820 [06:14:58] <LinuxNIT> yep
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822 [06:15:10] <bushbush> Is it ok I post the error here? Or is
that personal?
823 [06:15:29] <LinuxNIT> you should use a pastebin of somekind
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825 [06:15:34] <bushbush> Ok
826 [06:15:37] <Rusty1_> use dpaste.com if there is a browser
827 [06:16:04] <bushbush> Here
replaced-url
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831 [06:18:41] <Rusty1_> what is 9 Power_On_Hours ?
832 [06:18:57] <bushbush> I don't know haha!
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834 [06:19:32] <LinuxNIT> did you run a short self test?
835 [06:19:36] <bushbush> Nope.
836 [06:19:40] <luisoliv> guys, how can i configure debian 8 to
not shutdown if i close the lid of my laptop?
837 [06:19:40] <LinuxNIT> run one
838 [06:19:45] <bushbush> Ok
839 [06:20:00] <bushbush> Running now.
840 [06:20:02] <LinuxNIT> im not familiar with idnf errors but it
does not look good from what i see online
841 [06:20:24] <bushbush> LinuxNIT: So, don't use HDD
anymore?
842 [06:20:34] <LinuxNIT> wait for the test results
843 [06:20:55] <bushbush> Yeah I'm kind of afraid that
anytime, soon even, the HDD would just fail and I'd lose a lot
of work.
844 [06:21:09] <LinuxNIT> #backups ;-)
845 [06:21:11] <bushbush> The only reason why I'm using HDD
is for Virtualization.
846 [06:21:17] <bushbush> I do have backups.
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849 [06:21:49] <bushbush> But I guess I can do without HDD now.
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853 [06:22:33] <LinuxNIT> short test should be finished.
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855 [06:22:38] <bushbush> It is.
856 [06:22:47] <LinuxNIT> and?
857 [06:22:48] <bushbush> Test result: Completed without error.
858 [06:22:52] <bushbush> Yay!
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860 [06:23:41] <bushbush> What now?
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863 [06:26:53] <bushbush> LinuxNIT: ?
864 [06:26:54] <LinuxNIT> Well IDNF indicate data or a sector was
not found. The short test passed.
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866 [06:27:08] <LinuxNIT> to me thats conflicting. Like i said im
not familiar with IDNFs.
867 [06:27:08] <bushbush> IDNF?
868 [06:27:12] <bushbush> Ah
869 [06:27:20] <bushbush> Well I'm better off using Knoppix
then.
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871 [06:27:29] <bushbush> 8GB RAM is ok right?
872 [06:27:30] <LinuxNIT> you might try a long test if you have
time. It will take a while
873 [06:27:53] <LinuxNIT> knoppix should run on 8GB of ram
874 [06:28:05] <bushbush> Well the box of my laptop says 8GB, as
any other HP bullshit. But approximately, I think it's more or
less 7.7 GB.
875 [06:28:12] <LinuxNIT> You also might try the #hardware group
and ask about IDNF errors
876 [06:28:17] <bushbush> Nah
877 [06:28:22] <bushbush> I don't have much time.
878 [06:28:35] <bushbush> And I probably wouldn't go that
route if I had time :)
879 [06:28:58] <LinuxNIT> k
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903 [06:56:33] <awal1> luisoliv: check your powe manager settings
and disable that, also check /etc/systemd/logind.conf
904 [06:56:48] <awal1> power ^
905 [06:57:22] <awal1> looks like the file in sid is different
compared to jessie one
906 [06:57:42] <awal1> sid all commented
907 [06:58:45] <awal1> luisoliv: cat /etc/systemd/logind.conf and
paste (paste.debian.net)
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910 [07:01:36] <awal1> I don't think that gnome or any other
DE is configured to shutdown your machine when closing lid by
default
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935 [07:27:08] <tmiw_> any idea why systemd would be returning
this?
936 [07:27:09] <tmiw_> apache2.service: Failed at step NAMESPACE
spawning /usr/sbin/apachectl: Bad file descriptor
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942 [07:31:18] <jelly> tmiw: which debian release is that
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953 [07:37:58] <jelly> tmiw: a web search for "service:
Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning" suggests issues with
symlinks in newish (~2016) systemd
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970 [07:56:32] <deepy> So uh, I have this problem where the mouse
goes diagonal when I roll it in any direction. I got one of these
replaced-url
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979 [08:01:47] <tmiw> jelly: symlinks look fine, at least to
apachectl. /tmp and /var/tmp appear to be actual folders too
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981 [08:04:55] <phorce1> well, the stretch upgrade at the house
does appear to have some issues. "apt update" gives this
--- "356 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list
--upgradable' to see them." while 'aptitude
safe-upgrade' (after aptitude update) gives this ---
"open: 889; closed: 1467; defer: 57; conflict: 141 Unable to
resolve dependencies for the upgrade: no solution found." ---
{sigh}
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983 [08:06:10] <phorce1> should I run apt upgrade then try
aptitude safe-upgrade again to see what it says?
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986 [08:06:57] <themill> A big upgrade like that is almost always
better done with apt{,-get} rather than aptitude
987 [08:07:20] <themill> Doing an upgrade followed by a
dist-upgrade also greatly helps
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996 [08:10:03] <phorce1> dist-upgrade !! I knew I forgot a step
Sunday morning (at ~0300)
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1000 [08:11:21] <phorce1> yeah, here's just the "apt
upgrade" running now --- "40 upgraded, 3 newly installed,
0 to remove and 370 not upgraded."
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1006 [08:13:23] <tmiw> jelly: huh, making PrivateTmp=false in
apache2's systemd config fixed it, even though it wasn't
complaining about /tmp
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1083 [09:07:15] <hillis> Why I Am Never Thankful
replaced-url
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1085 [09:07:45] <hillis> 38 likes, 0 dislikes.
1086 [09:07:51] <hillis> Must be saying something right.
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1091 [09:08:40] <hillis> It's excellent.
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1262 [10:33:28] <firespeaker> is this a normal problem in sid?
chromium : Conflicts: libnettle4 but 2.7.1-5 is to be installed
1263 [10:34:08] <Night_Elf> Hi all. I was trying to build openvpn
from tarballs, version 2.4.0. During configure there is the message
"LZ4 library not found." It seems this comes with the
library liblz4-dev, but it is not part of wheezy. It seems to be in
wheezy-backports though. Am I right in this?
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1266 [10:35:10] <jelly> ,v liblz4-dev
1267 [10:35:11] <judd> Package: liblz4-dev on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 0.0~r114-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.0~r122-2; stretch:
0.0~r131-2; sid: 0.0~r131-2
1268 [10:35:18] <jelly> Night_Elf: it appears so
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1270 [10:36:13] <Night_Elf> jelly: ok. I'll see to get it
from there though I haven't used backports before. Should I be
careful of anything, as a backport newbie ?
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1284 [10:43:29] <jelly> Night_Elf: read the instructions, I guess.
There's also a ready backport of openvpn 2.3.2 if that's
good enough for you
1285 [10:43:37] <jelly> !bdo
1286 [10:43:37] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly
backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for
the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable
(<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian
developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read
replaced-url
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1291 [10:45:38] <Night_Elf> jelly: oh I see. openvpn: Version:
2.3.2-7~bpo70+2 I guess I'll have a look at this. Thank you.
1292 [10:45:43] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1293 [10:45:43] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1295 [10:46:06] <petn-randall> firespeaker: See above.
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1298 [10:47:34] <jelly> firespeaker: not only is it normal,
you're expected to deal with things like that if you choose sid
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1300 [10:47:51] <Neobenedict> guys, is there a good way to
"migrate" settings over to a new server
1301 [10:47:54] <firespeaker> petn-randall: ah thanks
1302 [10:47:56] <Neobenedict> i've changed so many things
over the years
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1304 [10:48:04] <firespeaker> jelly: yeah, I've been getting
that rant for decades
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1307 [10:48:07] <Neobenedict> like, max open files for example
1308 [10:48:11] <firespeaker> jelly: thanks for repeating it, just
in case
1309 [10:48:20] <Neobenedict> is there a tool out there that just
shows all "system settings" that have been changed from
stock
1310 [10:48:23] <Neobenedict> would be nice :(
1311 [10:48:26] <jelly> firespeaker: so why are you still saying
things like this
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1313 [10:48:46] <jelly> the development branch won't change
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1316 [10:48:55] <firespeaker> jelly: I was looking for
#debian-next
1317 [10:49:02] <firespeaker> jelly: which petn-randall helped me
with
1318 [10:50:36] <Neobenedict> also, if anyone can remember the
command that frees up a shitload of disk space
1319 [10:50:42] <Neobenedict> by removing some cache thing
1320 [10:50:45] <Neobenedict> not rm -rf /
1321 [10:50:46] <Neobenedict> :P
1322 [10:50:46] <firespeaker> Neobenedict: sudo apt-get clean
1323 [10:50:54] <firespeaker> Neobenedict: yeah, one time I
suggested that and someone did it :((
1324 [10:51:10] <Neobenedict> nah, theres something that ends up
using 5% of didsk space or something
1325 [10:51:14] <firespeaker> Neobenedict: in the <1 second it
took me to add "j/k"
1326 [10:51:16] <Neobenedict> and you can lower it to 0.01% and
free up like a TB
1327 [10:51:30] <Neobenedict> tunefs something something
1328 [10:51:31] <firespeaker> oh, like fixing up your file tables
or something?
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1330 [10:51:39] <jelly> Neobenedict: tune2fs has a -m option
1331 [10:52:17] <jelly> it may be worth setting to less than
default 5 (%) on very large filesystems
1332 [10:52:33] <Neobenedict> well, i'm about to get 18TB
1333 [10:52:35] <Neobenedict> so 5%
1334 [10:52:36] <Neobenedict> lol
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1336 [10:52:56] <Neobenedict> is it safe just to set it to 0
1337 [10:53:16] <jelly> consider investigating the filesystem type
better, instead of using default ext4, maybe
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1339 [10:53:26] <Neobenedict> thats if i use raid 5
1340 [10:53:31] <Neobenedict> which i think i will
1341 [10:53:35] <jelly> tune2fs is only relevant for
ext2-ext3-ext4
1342 [10:53:37] <Neobenedict> 1 disk failure and 75% space
1343 [10:53:39] <Neobenedict> is pretty okay
1344 [10:53:54] <Neobenedict> and large performance boosts too
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1347 [10:54:44] <Neobenedict> is it true i get a 3x write
performance boost?
1348 [10:54:49] <Neobenedict> with raid 5 and 4 disks?
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1353 [10:55:03] <Neobenedict> assuming i'm managing to write
to all 3 at once
1354 [10:55:04] <Neobenedict> how do i do that
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1356 [10:55:23] <petn-randall> !enter
1357 [10:55:23] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for
punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to
follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '.
', ';', '...', '---', or
':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be
autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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1359 [10:55:30] <Neobenedict> lol
1360 [10:55:30] <colo-work> try make only full stripe writes
1361 [10:55:35] <colo-work> also, #linux-raid
1362 [10:55:35] <Neobenedict> sorry
1363 [10:55:49] <Neobenedict> full stripe writes?
1364 [10:55:55] <Neobenedict> as in, files get written to 1 disk
at a time?
1365 [10:56:02] <OerHeks>
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1368 [10:57:10] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: Depends on what you
mean with "performance". Throughput does increase,
especially for sequential reads/writes on spinning platters, but
latency tends to be a little worse.
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1397 [11:10:49] <Rembo> hello,i am using debian 6, after curl
update to version 7.36.0 i cannot see secured protocols:
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1425 [11:26:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> how did you "update" to
a version 7.36
1426 [11:26:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions curl
1427 [11:26:23] <judd> Package: curl on amd64 -- wheezy:
7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy18; jessie:
7.38.0-4+deb8u5; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; sid: 7.52.1-2;
stretch: 7.52.1-2
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1442 [11:36:33] <boxrick1> I have a number of systems such as
Gitlab , Apache backed services, various Cisco switches and Linux
machines which all could do with some sort of centralized auth. Is
something like FreeIPA a good choice or would I be better off
looking at raw LDAP without all the fluff on top?
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1451 [11:39:51] <petn-randall> Rembo: Debian 6 is EOL for quite a
while now. Time to upgrade.
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1453 [11:40:37] <tyrone_biggums> Debian 8.7 is the latest version
1454 [11:40:44] * tyrone_biggums scratches his neck.
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1459 [11:41:19] <tw> boxrick1: depends on how much you want to
learn ldap overlays and write your own user management scripts. If I
had it to do over, I'd use a prepackaged solution like freeipa
or ms ad.
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1474 [11:46:10] <Plushwolf> Hi
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1477 [11:46:33] <Plushwolf> I'd like to know what the
differences of ext4 and xfs are ... someone here who would like to
explain me?
1478 [11:47:08] <Silvering> hi everyone! I'm trying to deploy
my django app to my dedicated server. I followed this tutorial :
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1479 [11:47:34] <Silvering> Any idea ?$
1480 [11:47:45] <nobody44> Hello. I have a problem with my preseed
for a hands-free installation. I have my own package, that gets
installed automatically, and in the postinst of the script i run
"deb-systemd-helper enable systemd-timesyncd". That or the
following "restart" command fails with "unable to
read systemd-timesyncd"
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1488 [11:52:01] <petn-randall> Silvering: What release of Debian
are you using?
1489 [11:52:10] <Silvering> Debian 8
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1494 [11:52:57] <petn-randall> Silvering: It looks like you
didn't set up wsgi properly, I'd double-check the steps
there.
1495 [11:54:10] * olivetree_ oi ppl :)
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1498 [11:54:45] <Silvering> petn-randall : You mean the content of
the wsgi file ?
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1502 [11:55:42] <petn-randall> Silvering: No, I mean mod_wsgi.
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1505 [11:59:01] <Silvering> petn-randall : I checked the path
again to the wsgi.py and no issue...
1506 [12:02:22] <petn-randall> Silvering: Is mod_wsgi enabled on
your apache?
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1510 [12:03:30] <Silvering> ah ok. I check
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1512 [12:04:14] <Silvering> libapache2-mod-wsgi is installed at
least
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1522 [12:06:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> Plushwolf, if you can't ask
that question in a more precise form going on some file system
details, the answer is probably "none that you care of"
1523 [12:06:54] <Silvering> petn-randall :
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1524 [12:07:07] <Silvering> petn-randall : So yes is enabled
1525 [12:07:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> Plushwolf,
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1528 [12:08:42] <Plushwolf> CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, thanks for the
link. Sorry, I can't really get more precisely, and I heard a
lot of Btrfs, but the only thing I hear very often about that is
that it isn't really finished yet and partially unstable in
some things ..
1529 [12:08:48] <Plushwolf> I don't know if it's true
1530 [12:09:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, seems suse uses it as
default
1531 [12:09:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> mind, they also used reiserfs as
default around 2000…
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1534 [12:10:58] <Plushwolf> I better stay at ext4 on my production
system and playing with Btrfs in QEMU first until it's
classified as stable :)
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1539 [12:12:32] <teraflops> Plushwolf: stable where? if you do
3.16 kernel + old as hell btrfsprogs ... in that scenario might not
be that stable
1540 [12:13:16] <Plushwolf> teraflops: wut?
1541 [12:13:26] <teraflops> that
1542 [12:13:46] <petn-randall> Silvering: I'd ask in #django,
they probably help better than me.
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1544 [12:13:58] <tw> Plushwolf: If you don't need btrfs
features, stick with ext4.
1545 [12:14:46] <Silvering> petn-randall : Yes I'm already
asking and no better ideas than yours
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1548 [12:19:15] <nobody44> is there a way to use
deb-systemd-helper during the installation? my package fails :-|
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1550 [12:21:06] <folivora> I am running Debian Jessie, as a root
user "su" is not working anymore after last update.
root@foo su - root <-- asks password, also I am unable to su -
user-foo when I am root
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1556 [12:23:33] <CrazyTux> what does "Debian Stretch
Freezes" mean?
1557 [12:23:43] *** miczac\away is now known as miczac
1558 [12:23:44] <nkuttler> !freeze
1559 [12:23:44] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large
changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months.
During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix
critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the
freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to
make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov
2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about
<slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
1560 [12:24:26] <CrazyTux> slushy
1561 [12:24:36] <CrazyTux> stretch freeze
1562 [12:24:43] <CrazyTux> what do they mean?
1563 [12:24:49] <nkuttler> they?
1564 [12:24:49] <Brigo> CrazyTux, /msg dpkg slushy
1565 [12:25:21] <folivora> Does anyone know that is there some bug
with su / pam ?
1566 [12:26:02] <nkuttler> folivora: have you checked the bts?
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1576 [12:32:18] <CrazyTux> when will Debian Stretch be available?
1577 [12:32:32] <folivora> getting this error: debian PAM unable
dlopen(pam_rootok.s) cannot open shared object file
1578 [12:33:02] <folivora> Can't find relative bug to this
error ...
1579 [12:33:21] <petn-randall> !tell CrazyTux -about wwsr
1580 [12:33:58] <Plushwolf> !tell me -about wwsr
1581 [12:34:04] <Plushwolf> !tell Plushwolf -about wwsr
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1583 [12:35:05] <nkuttler> !tell Plushwolf about selftell
1584 [12:35:37] <Plushwolf> :P
1585 [12:35:58] <Plushwolf> I don't know how to use dpkg
1586 [12:36:00] <Plushwolf> Shame on me
1587 [12:36:19] <Plushwolf> (I mean the bot here, not the package
manager :D)
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1589 [12:36:32] <tw> Is there a more effective way to get
commandline selections than `zgrep "apt-get install"
/var/log/apt/history.log*`?
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1591 [12:37:16] <Brigo> folivora, is libpam-modules package
installed?
1592 [12:37:42] <Neobenedict> question
1593 [12:37:47] <Neobenedict> if a raid 0 is failing but not
failed
1594 [12:37:53] <Neobenedict> can it be replaced and save all the
data
1595 [12:37:56] <nkuttler> tw: um, what do you mean? a history of
installed packages?
1596 [12:38:03] <Brigo> tw, there are keys combos.
1597 [12:38:18] <Brigo> Neobenedict, do you have a backup?
1598 [12:38:27] <Plushwolf> Neobenedict: RAID 0 isn't a real
RAID type, and the chance that you can save all data on a failing
RAID 0 is bad
1599 [12:38:38] <Neobenedict> can *some* data be saved?
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1601 [12:38:43] <folivora> Brigo: yes: libpam-modules
1.1.8-3.1+deb8u2
1602 [12:38:48] <Neobenedict> this box would be designed to be
kinda suicidal
1603 [12:38:49] <Plushwolf> Yes, but it's not guaranteed
1604 [12:38:54] <Neobenedict> none of the data is valuable to me
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1606 [12:39:15] <Neobenedict> if seedbox has any definition to you
:P
1607 [12:39:19] <Brigo> folivora,
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_rootok.so is in that package.
1608 [12:39:21] <Plushwolf> The data you can rescue can also be
corrupted data later
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1610 [12:39:37] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: Well, you usually can
get strips of data back the size of the stripe size. Which usually
is 256KB.
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1612 [12:39:44] <Brigo> folivora, have you used strace before?
1613 [12:39:47] <folivora> Brigo: yes I know, I did run apt-get
upgrade today, after that it stopped working.
1614 [12:39:49] <tw> nkuttler: packages I installed manually, not
packages installed by the OS defaults or by dependencies of packages
I requested.
1615 [12:39:52] <folivora> Brigo: Yes.
1616 [12:39:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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1618 [12:40:34] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: So if a disk fails,
your files will look like this <256KB of data>, <26KB of
data lost>, <256KB of data>, <256KB of data lost>,
...
1619 [12:40:44] <Brigo> folivora, i would us it for checking what
file is su missing.
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1621 [12:41:47] <Brigo> folivora, are you using stretch, right?
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1627 [12:44:43] <Neobenedict> petn-randall: i'm talking about
a drive with bad sectors, for example
1628 [12:44:45] <Neobenedict> that needs replacing
1629 [12:44:51] <Neobenedict> the data is all there, or 99.9% of
it
1630 [12:44:58] <Plushwolf> impossible in a RAID 0
1631 [12:45:13] <Neobenedict> so with raid 0 you can't
'rebuild'?
1632 [12:45:19] <Neobenedict> could you mirror the failing drive
maybe
1633 [12:45:21] <Neobenedict> or something like that
1634 [12:45:24] <Plushwolf> If you don't have backups etc,
not really
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1636 [12:45:38] <Neobenedict> sure you'll lose data
1637 [12:45:51] <Plushwolf> Yes
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1639 [12:46:07] * Neobenedict does not know how he'll do this
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1642 [12:47:14] <Brigo> Neobenedict, a backup?
1643 [12:47:23] <Neobenedict> backups exist.
1644 [12:47:29] <Neobenedict> it's just the case of
redownloading 24TB of data
1645 [12:47:33] <Neobenedict> would take...
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1647 [12:47:35] * Neobenedict calculates
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1649 [12:48:00] <folivora> Brigo: Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.7
(jessie)
1650 [12:48:05] <Brigo> you have a raid0 with 24TB of data??
really??
1651 [12:48:10] <Neobenedict> 55 hours
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1653 [12:48:15] <Plushwolf> *facepalm*
1654 [12:48:30] <Brigo> folivora, that's is weird, i am using
it without problem, let me upgrade just now.
1655 [12:48:32] <Neobenedict> which is not too bad, actually
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1657 [12:48:37] <Neobenedict> Brigo: ever heard of a torrent?
1658 [12:48:46] <folivora> Brigo: this is i386
1659 [12:48:52] <folivora> I have two more with the same problem
1660 [12:48:55] <Neobenedict> and yes, 24tb of linux isos
1661 [12:48:57] <Neobenedict> :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
1662 [12:49:02] <folivora> other 40 servers are running just fine
1663 [12:49:15] <Brigo> Neobenedict, can't see the point.
1664 [12:49:17] <Neobenedict> you are right. i'm not sure if
it's sane.
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1666 [12:49:27] <Neobenedict> even if all the data exists out
there, what if I get unlucky
1667 [12:49:31] <Brigo> folivora, then check for problems, are the
disks working ok?
1668 [12:49:38] <folivora> Yes...
1669 [12:49:40] <Neobenedict> 3 disks fail in a row
1670 [12:49:44] <folivora> Replicated SAN-SSD ;)
1671 [12:49:52] <Neobenedict> the alternative is say, a raid 5
1672 [12:49:55] <Plushwolf> 24 TB of ISOs ... are you joking are
you a clutterer or so?
1673 [12:50:03] <Neobenedict> Plushwolf: it's a joke.
1674 [12:50:14] <folivora> Brigo: only thing what isn't
working is this su
1675 [12:50:23] <Plushwolf> I will hope so
1676 [12:50:32] <folivora> I can install pkgs, login.. services
are running just fine
1677 [12:50:42] <Neobenedict> it is, however, slightly concerning.
1678 [12:50:46] <Brigo> folivora, clearly there si something
different in that server.
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1680 [12:50:59] <Brigo> is*
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1682 [12:51:05] <Neobenedict> even if I have 'backups'
(ie. other users in the swarm) of every single byte on the system,
raid 0 may still be a bit suicidal
1683 [12:51:12] <folivora> yes yes, but this came after upgrade.
1684 [12:51:20] * Neobenedict will have to think carefully
1685 [12:51:30] <Brigo> folivora, didn't you upgrade the
other servers?
1686 [12:51:33] <Plushwolf> Neobenedict: Why have you choosen RAID
0 then ?
1687 [12:52:03] <Brigo> Plushwolf, no waste space and more speed,
i guess
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1689 [12:52:43] <sruli> is it possible to somehow stop
"dmsetup table --showkeys" ? scenario = i connect my
personal drive to PC, admin ssh into PC executes "dmsetup table
--showkeys" and has my masterkey
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1691 [12:53:00] <Neobenedict> Plushwolf: i haven't yet
1692 [12:53:04] <Neobenedict> i'm still deciding
1693 [12:53:19] <Neobenedict> i get an extra 6TB of space PLUS
huge performance bonuses in raid 0
1694 [12:53:27] <Neobenedict> at the downside of drive failure
risk
1695 [12:53:28] <folivora> Brigo: libpam-systemd:i386
215-17+deb8u5, libpam0g:i386 1.1.8-3.1+deb8u1+b1,
libpam-modules-bin:i386 1.1.8-3.1+deb8u1+b1, libpam-runtime:all
1.1.8-3.1+deb8u1 <- those packages were upgraded
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1697 [12:53:50] <Brigo> folivora, the other servers asr i386 too?
1698 [12:53:55] <Brigo> are* sorry
1699 [12:54:47] <Plushwolf> Neobenedict: Next time you better use
RAID10
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1701 [12:55:20] <tw> sruli: not possible, but I don't know
how you decrypted it in the first place if you aren't root. The
only mechanism I know of that root does not have access to is kernel
keyrings where you can bind keys to user sessions. With a crafty
kernel module, they would still be able to get the key though.
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1707 [12:56:31] <sruli> tw: i decrypt it normal way as root, but
admin has root access too.. just executing "dmsetup table
--showkeys" gives them my masterkey
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1709 [12:57:35] <Neobenedict> Plushwolf: the idea is not to lose
12TB of storage...
1710 [12:57:55] <Neobenedict> essentially, i'm buying two
24TB boxes
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1712 [12:58:12] <Neobenedict> one will be my main server, the
other the fast server
1713 [12:58:20] <Neobenedict> raid 5 the main, raid 0 the fast
1714 [12:58:24] <folivora> I did, and others are running just
fine. There are just two servers with this problem. 1 x i386 1 x
x86_64
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1716 [12:58:40] <tw> sruli: It's not readily avoidable. ext4
crypto is the closest I've seen to root-unreadable keys, but it
is broken as heck for multi-user access re:pagecache.
1717 [12:58:41] <Neobenedict> giving me 42TB of space
1718 [12:58:43] <folivora> Thats why this is really confusing...
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1720 [12:59:19] <Plushwolf> Neobenedict: The idea of RAID is not
to get the biggest space, the idea is to to keep data running when
one disk is failing and keep is persitent
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1722 [12:59:32] <Plushwolf> *it
1723 [12:59:38] <Neobenedict> i know.
1724 [12:59:45] <sruli> tw: shame, i my opinion dmcrypt --showkeys
is a vulnerability
1725 [12:59:51] <Neobenedict> hmm
1726 [12:59:53] <Brigo> folivora, strace it then.
1727 [13:00:00] <Neobenedict> maybe raid 0 two of the drives for
the double performance boost
1728 [13:00:10] <Neobenedict> and keep the others separate
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1730 [13:00:14] <Neobenedict> that way i only lose half my data
1731 [13:00:19] <Neobenedict> and still get the performance boost
1732 [13:00:26] <blackflow> Neobenedict: not quite
1733 [13:00:27] <Neobenedict> required to saturate the pipe
1734 [13:00:41] <blackflow> Neobenedict: if you lose a disk in
raid 0, you lose everything, if mdadm or hw raid is in question
1735 [13:00:48] <Plushwolf> Neobenedict: If data security is
important to you then I would buy more hard disks and setting up a
RAID10 ... performance (speed) + data security if one disk fails
1736 [13:01:05] <Neobenedict> blackflow: I'm saying, 4 disks
1737 [13:01:07] <Neobenedict> raid 0 two of them
1738 [13:01:09] <Neobenedict> keep the other two separate
1739 [13:01:10] <blackflow> Neobenedict: ah, k
1740 [13:01:26] <Neobenedict> none of the data on this server is
'losable'
1741 [13:01:26] <blackflow> Neobenedict: what's your end
goal, actually?
1742 [13:01:34] <Neobenedict> as much storage space as possible.
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1745 [13:01:48] <blackflow> NoCode: persistence and durability, or
performance of (easily replaceable) volatile data?
1746 [13:01:49] <Neobenedict> however, I would like to saturate my
pipe which is 125MB/s
1747 [13:01:52] <blackflow> Neobenedict: ^^^^
1748 [13:01:55] <Neobenedict> and these drives write at 80-100MB/s
1749 [13:02:11] <Neobenedict> it's easily replacable,
volatile data, yes
1750 [13:02:17] <blackflow> sequentially yes, but with torrents
you don't get sequential writes
1751 [13:02:24] <Brigo> Plushwolf, why raid10 i think raid5 is
better option here
1752 [13:02:27] <Neobenedict> they go all over the place
1753 [13:02:41] <Neobenedict> still, with raid 0, it'll be
writing to two drives, no?
1754 [13:02:42] <blackflow> so your write speed is going to choke
on iops and small block sizes will yield few dozen MB/s
1755 [13:02:52] <Neobenedict> these are large block sizes 4MB+
1756 [13:03:00] <blackflow> ah k
1757 [13:03:00] <Neobenedict> maybe 16
1758 [13:03:12] <Plushwolf> Brigo: Yes, RAID 5 is also a good idea
1759 [13:03:39] <Neobenedict> for example
1760 [13:03:39] <Neobenedict> 3187 x 4.00 MB (have 3187)
1761 [13:03:48] <hicks__> I like to waste a little storage space
for the convenience of just swapping out a bad disk and losing no
data. Even though there's backups, it's just such a waste
of time restoring things. That said, everyone differs on that one :)
1762 [13:03:48] <blackflow> Neobenedict: if you want to saturate
throughput, don't use anything with parity.
1763 [13:03:48] <Neobenedict> will I still get a performance boost
from raid 0 in terms of write speed?
1764 [13:04:04] <blackflow> Neobenedict: yes at the expense of no
durability
1765 [13:04:12] <Neobenedict> with 4MB pieces
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1767 [13:04:42] <Neobenedict> blackflow: doesn't parity (raid
5) still result in a performance boost with 4 disks?
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1769 [13:05:04] <blackflow> Neobenedict: not that I know of, it
has to calculate parity and is slower than a 2-way mirror
1770 [13:05:18] <blackflow> has to write at least 3 disks at once
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1772 [13:05:55] <tw> sruli: It's not really, it's just a
different attack model than you're expecting. A root escalation
already gives them kernel access in linux. It takes a lot of work to
prevent that.
1773 [13:05:56] <blackflow> Neobenedict: if you can replace the
data but rather wouldn't then 2 x raid 0 (not raid 10!) is
perhaps your best bet
1774 [13:06:23] <blackflow> Neobenedict: but those need to be sata
3 and 6Gbps controller
1775 [13:06:46] <Plushwolf> I can't sleep when I use raid0
... :)
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1777 [13:06:55] <sruli> tw: i cant prevent admin from root
access.. but i dont want admin to get masterkey of my private luks
device... i understand its not avarage use case.. but its something
that needs to be considered
1778 [13:06:55] <blackflow> Neobenedict: also consider that at
that scale you will inevitably get bitrot
1779 [13:07:25] <blackflow> Neobenedict: maybe you should consider
ZFS with multiple 2-way mirror vdevs
1780 [13:07:53] <folivora> Brigo:
replaced-url
1781 [13:07:56] <blackflow> you get the best of both worlds. it
will balance writes across different vdevs simulating raid 0, but
also keep data checksummed so you don't get corruption and a
disk can fail.
1782 [13:08:35] <blackflow> it's not strict raid 0, so if a
disk in vdev mirror fails, it's replaceable. with strict raid
0, if a disk fails, all data on both is lost.
1783 [13:08:57] <tw> sruli: Keep it unmounted. Prevent login of
admin when it is mounted or force unmount it when they log in. As
soon as you grant someone root access, you've granted them that
trust.
1784 [13:09:37] <Neobenedict> blackflow: probably
1785 [13:09:46] <Neobenedict> doesn't zfs require a shitload
of RAM?
1786 [13:09:48] <Neobenedict> this isnt ECC ram
1787 [13:09:54] <sruli> tw: cant work in practice... if i need
root access while its mounted...
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1789 [13:10:02] <blackflow> Neobenedict: doesn't _require_
but benefits from it, and only on read heavy workloads
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1792 [13:10:25] <Neobenedict> what sort of scale of bitrot are we
talking
1793 [13:10:27] <blackflow> Neobenedict: it also doesn't
require ECC. if you don't have ECC, you don't lose
anything over not using ZFS with no ECC
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1795 [13:10:42] <blackflow> Neobenedict: I read some google
reports of 1 bit per 10TB guaranteed
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1797 [13:10:53] <Neobenedict> 1 bit per
1798 [13:11:01] <blackflow> which can go either way in practice.
you know the saying, lies, damn lies and statistics :)
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1802 [13:11:21] <Neobenedict> well if that 1 bit is not the
operating system's password file
1803 [13:11:24] <blackflow> Neobenedict: some reports quote much
highre numbers. there are some links on wikipedia under "silent
data corruption"
1804 [13:11:51] <Neobenedict> how do you "install" zfs
1805 [13:11:57] <Neobenedict> do you have to ddo it while
installing debian
1806 [13:12:01] <blackflow> yah
1807 [13:12:11] <Neobenedict> and zfs gives me 100% of the total
capacity?
1808 [13:12:21] <blackflow> Neobenedict: official docs:
replaced-url
1809 [13:12:30] <blackflow> Neobenedict: sorry, I don't
understand the last question?
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1812 [13:13:33] <tw> sruli: the long and the short of it is
dmcrypt does not protect against online attacks. It only protects
against offline attacks.
1813 [13:13:56] <Neobenedict> blackflow: ie, raid 1 cuts the
usable storage in half
1814 [13:13:58] <KlausedSource> hey all i'm trying to get my
jessie to connect to open wifi on boot
1815 [13:13:58] <Neobenedict> what does zfs do
1816 [13:14:03] <tw> that's a problem for FDE in general
1817 [13:14:21] <blackflow> Neobenedict: same thing, if you use a
"mirror vdev"
1818 [13:14:22] <sruli> tw: i fully understand... would have been
nice to need an existing passphrase to see masterkey or to add new
key
1819 [13:14:27] <KlausedSource> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
1820 [13:14:27] <KlausedSource> wireless-essid "SSID"
1821 [13:14:27] <KlausedSource> wireless-mode managed
1822 [13:14:40] <KlausedSource> is my settings in
/etc/network/interfaces
1823 [13:14:41] <blackflow> Neobenedict: there's some slight
increase of storage space due to extra metadata per block but
that's insignificant
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1825 [13:14:56] <Neobenedict> you mean decrease
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1827 [13:15:04] <tw> sruli: I agree with you there, but
that's what the root password is. You have to adapt your access
control model around the utilities available, I'm afraid.
1828 [13:15:08] <blackflow> Neobenedict: yes, decrease, I ment to
say increase of storage space _used_
1829 [13:15:15] <KlausedSource> when i ifup wlan0 it tries to dhcp
discover to 255.255.255.255 which ofc can't work
1830 [13:15:19] <Neobenedict> hmm well
1831 [13:15:32] <Neobenedict> if i put the operating system on
disk 1, then raid 0/zfs the other 3
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1835 [13:16:15] <KlausedSource> or well i actually have no idea
why it doesn't work. does it mean my client is connected with
the SSID already and DHCPs after and that fails or does it mean the
connection itself doesn't get established?
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1840 [13:16:41] <blackflow> Neobenedict: I don't think zfs
has raid 0 per se
1841 [13:17:03] <blackflow> Neobenedict: it can simulate it by
striping two or more _mirror_ vdevs, but not use two disks for the 0
level
1842 [13:17:04] <sruli> tw: maybe i can use a wrapper for dmcrypt
table? it should just touch a file, that way i will know masterkey
might be compromised
1843 [13:17:06] <blackflow> (afaik)
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1845 [13:17:24] <blackflow> Neobenedict: so you best use 4 disk at
minimum
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1847 [13:17:40] <Neobenedict> well, for the other server,
i'll use raid 5
1848 [13:17:46] <Neobenedict> and pray i odnt have 2 disks fail at
once
1849 [13:18:07] <blackflow> Neobenedict: happend to me, despite
the odds :)
1850 [13:18:07] <Neobenedict> its less about losing data, more the
setup time
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1853 [13:18:28] <blackflow> Neobenedict: in fact, I didn't
even have raid 5, but simple 2-way mirror. one disk failed, got
replaced and while the replacement was resilvering, the other
failed. :)
1854 [13:18:34] <tw> sruli: if you're willing to sacrifice
performance, maybe put the crypto volume on a NFS-over-ipsec share
to which the remote admin does not have access?
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1857 [13:18:49] <Plushwolf> Please also remember that a RAID
can't replace a complete backup of the data :)
1858 [13:19:00] <blackflow> Neobenedict: so some people recommend
staying away from raid 5 because the parity thing puts extra strain
on other two disks when resilvering
1859 [13:19:16] <hicks__> I use zfs raidz1 atm with 3 disks, but
really want to be running raidz2 with 6 disks. Speed wise it's
fine and the GB network is the main bottleneck
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1861 [13:19:25] <Plushwolf> I use & recommend RAID 10
1862 [13:19:34] <Neobenedict> Plushwolf: i'll back the
servers up on each other
1863 [13:19:34] <blackflow> Plushwolf: ++
1864 [13:19:34] <Neobenedict> ;)
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1866 [13:19:47] <blackflow> Plushwolf: or in ZFS parlance, striped
mirror vdevs :)
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1869 [13:20:10] <Neobenedict> tricky business
1870 [13:20:18] <blackflow> Neobenedict: with ZFS you can simply
"zfs send" from one to another over ssh. Easiest data
replication I've seen. :)
1871 [13:20:29] <Neobenedict> i'm wondering
1872 [13:20:34] <Neobenedict> if i can just copy entire partitions
at once
1873 [13:20:36] <Neobenedict> to another server
1874 [13:20:48] <Neobenedict> for "backup purposes"
1875 [13:20:51] <blackflow> I can't imagine running anything
other than ZFS nowadays. except well backed up ext4 for database
(with postgres' checksumming enabled)
1876 [13:20:55] <Neobenedict> since... the operating system is a
tiny baby in the grand scale of 48TB
1877 [13:21:12] <blackflow> Neobenedict: yes, with zfs it's a
piece of cake
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1879 [13:21:33] <Neobenedict> zfs is a whole other realm
1880 [13:21:37] <blackflow> zfs send -Rv dataset/in/question | ssh
... 'zfs recv -eu target/dataset/'
1881 [13:21:59] <blackflow> (sans that last trailing slash)
1882 [13:22:10] <blackflow> Neobenedict: it is, but well worth
learning and using
1883 [13:22:28] <blackflow> took me a year before I was confident
enough to put it in production, never regretted it.
1884 [13:22:30] <Neobenedict> well guys
1885 [13:22:41] <Neobenedict> when i come here in x days crying
about my drive has failed and i've lost everything
1886 [13:22:44] <Neobenedict> then you can laugh at me
1887 [13:23:00] * blackflow stocks on popcorn
1888 [13:23:14] <Neobenedict> my current server
1889 [13:23:14] <Neobenedict> 3 0x008 4 24498 Spindle Motor
Power-on Hours
1890 [13:23:25] <Neobenedict> 3 years straight no problems on 4
disks
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1892 [13:23:30] <Neobenedict> i think my luck is running out
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1894 [13:24:05] <Night_Elf> But for situations when using consumer
grade disks, around 500GB or 2TB, is zfs something worth it? I have
never used it, I have no knowledge whatsoever of it.
1895 [13:24:07] <folivora> Brigo: seems that there is a typo in
/etc/pam.d/su file: pam_rootok.s should ofcourse be
pam_rootok.so'
1896 [13:24:21] <blackflow> Neobenedict: I've had 5yr old
Seagates (yes, Seagates) in miraculously flawless production :)
1897 [13:24:33] <blackflow> I chickened out and replaced before
they actually failed.
1898 [13:24:44] <Neobenedict> im thinking
1899 [13:24:48] <Neobenedict> raid 5 on server 1
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1901 [13:25:11] <Neobenedict> raid 0 on 3 disks + spare 4th
'backup' disk that runs the operating system and backups
of server 1 on server 2
1902 [13:25:16] <Neobenedict> then backup server 2's OS on
server 1
1903 [13:25:18] <Neobenedict> gah this is complicated
1904 [13:25:31] <blackflow> Night_Elf: I'd always say yes in
favor of ZFS regardless of kind and number of disks. I've been
using it even on my signle disk usb backups, with copies=2 (for
bitrot protection)
1905 [13:25:41] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: Doesn't make much
sense for server 2.
1906 [13:25:47] <folivora> Brigo: Access: 2017-02-14
08:12:50.572000000 +0200 <- time stamp when i did run apt-get
upgrade
1907 [13:26:05] <Neobenedict> petn-randall: ?
1908 [13:26:41] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: Why have the OS on a
different disk? If that fails, the system is just as dead as if you
had the whole thing on RAID 0.
1909 [13:26:43] <Night_Elf> blackflow: I see. Is it feasible to
start playing with in on a vm where the virtual disk is around 10GB,
and then start adding new ones ?
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1913 [13:27:37] <blackflow> Night_Elf: yup.
1914 [13:27:49] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: Also, I'd only go
with RAID 0 if you have proven that RAID 1, 10, or 5 doesn't
keep up with your workload.
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1916 [13:28:01] <tw> Night_Elf: 20GB minimum for a linux VM, 30GB
for a windows one, 10GB if it's a really tiny install like
alpine/freebsd/minix.
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1918 [13:28:27] <tw> 30GB is cutting it close for win10 as well.
1919 [13:29:23] <Night_Elf> blackflow: tw: I see. Hmm. So then my
disk will need to be emptied first if I want to create 2-3 chunks of
30-50GB virtual disks.
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1923 [13:30:09] <Neobenedict> petn-randall: yes, if that disk
fails
1924 [13:30:16] <Neobenedict> but assume every disk as an equal
chance of failure
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1926 [13:30:44] <Neobenedict> if the server is 4xraid 0
1927 [13:30:48] <Neobenedict> then if any disk fails, the OS is
dead
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1932 [13:33:00] <blackflow> Neobenedict: and the cure for that is
using something like Ansible to quickly reinstall the OS and
configure it :)
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1934 [13:33:35] <blackflow> Night_Elf: with qemu/kvm?
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1936 [13:33:54] <tw> Night_Elf: you can make the zfs slices
smaller if you want. I've always had problems keeping a debian
install, especially one with a DE and build-essential under 10-12GB.
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1939 [13:34:35] <Night_Elf> blackflow: either that, or virtualbox.
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1943 [13:35:09] <blackflow> Night_Elf: well I was thinking if you
used qemu/kvm, then assign raw partitions as virtual disks, not
files. working with files is atrociously slow.
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1947 [13:35:20] <blackflow> Night_Elf: no idea if VirtualBox can
do that or how.
1948 [13:35:21] <Night_Elf> tw: My idea is to create a vm that
will use zfs. I will only use it to play and learn the zfs concepts.
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1950 [13:36:07] <Night_Elf> blackflow: Ah I see. I will see that
possibility then, with another additional disk.
1951 [13:36:22] <tw> Night_Elf: blackflow makes an important
point. QEMU can take LV passthrough, which will get you a lot of
disk performance.
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1953 [13:36:51] <Night_Elf> I understand.
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1955 [13:37:18] <tw> virt-manager gives you a pretty decent
interface to work with as well. Maybe not as nice as virtualbox, but
my experience with vbox has been spotty anyway.
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1963 [13:39:25] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: The problem isn't
that disks fail, that happens all the time. The problem is that your
system is gone when a disk fails since you don't have
redundancy.
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1965 [13:40:53] <tw> Night_Elf: when dealing with VMs, early
investment in apt-cacher-ng will pay off in time savings when doing
multiple installs pretty quick.
1966 [13:40:54] <Neobenedict> petn-randall: i can backup the OS on
my other server.
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1968 [13:41:39] <blackflow> Neobenedict: I think you're
overthinking this. if you have 4 disks on a machine, then either go
with ZFS (my recommendation) or mdadm that thing into raid 10.
1969 [13:41:41] <petn-randall> Neobenedict: You'll still have
downtime and loose any data since the last backup.
1970 [13:41:49] <nfahldieck> Hi everyone, I'm looking for an
option to limit clamscan's max tmp usage. I'm running
clamAV 0.99.2 on Debian-8.
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1972 [13:42:03] <blackflow> Neobenedict: you can also use LVM +
ext4 if you don't want ZFS and have _some_ level of snapshott-y
backup available to the other server.
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1974 [13:42:28] <blackflow> although personally I'd just
rsync that thing, if no ZFS is available.
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1976 [13:43:07] <Night_Elf> tw: I read you. Am checking all these
things right now.
1977 [13:43:29] <Night_Elf> Thank you also for the advices, tw,
blackflow.
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1980 [13:44:00] <blackflow> Night_Elf: consider using a
hot-swappable chassis so you can have minimum or no downtime at all
when a disk needs replacement.
1981 [13:44:13] <blackflow> *hot-swap enabled chassis
1982 [13:44:33] <blackflow> or whatever the friggin term is. one
of them macheeens that can swap out a hd while running :)
1983 [13:44:41] <tw> if it's just vms, that's less
feasible ;)
1984 [13:45:52] <Night_Elf> blackflow: Could I use a kind of a hot
swad disk bay? A friend has one that gets placed where the DVD-Rom
drive goes, connects via normal sata cable and it claims to provide
hot swap capabilities to the disk that gets placed there.
1985 [13:46:08] <Night_Elf> hot swap disk bay*
1986 [13:46:52] <Night_Elf> The disks it accepts are normal sata
hard disks.
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1988 [13:47:35] <blackflow> Night_Elf: oh sorry, that was for
Neobenedict :)
1989 [13:47:39] <blackflow> I see now what tw meant
1990 [13:47:53] <blackflow> y'all N<tab>-s :)
1991 [13:47:56] <tw> Night_Elf: re:disk bay, your AHCI controller
must have hotswap support for that to work, but yes.
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1996 [13:49:56] <Night_Elf> I'll check that. I don't
remember whether my controller has support for that. Will do that
when I get home.
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2006 [13:52:10] <tw> It'd be pretty rare for it not to. My
H87 had it; support goes back as far as ICH6 or 7 for intel
chipsets, not sure on AMD.
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2031 [14:08:02] <IFightForTheUser> Is there a text editor which
provides intelligent word completion, inline?
2032 [14:08:17] <IFightForTheUser> And maybe fixes your spelling
as you go?
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2038 [14:09:31] <blackflow> IFightForTheUser: word completion for
what? vim has some plugins.
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2041 [14:09:47] <IFightForTheUser> without pressing extra key
combos.
2042 [14:09:57] <IFightForTheUser> automatically do things inline
2043 [14:10:26] <IFightForTheUser>
replaced-url
2044 [14:10:36] <IFightForTheUser> Looking here and there, just
wondered if anyone here knew too
2045 [14:10:57] <blackflow> then no, I don't know, sorry
(other than highly specilized like PyCharm for python code editing)
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2051 [14:11:13] <IFightForTheUser> No, just regular English typing
for writers/authors
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2053 [14:11:23] <IFightForTheUser> Thanks, buddy
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2058 [14:13:14] <IFightForTheUser> Kate editor, which I use has
it, in stable, but it only does it for words which you have already
typed.
2059 [14:13:16] <IFightForTheUser> :/
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2063 [14:13:57] <IFightForTheUser> Specifically for writers
I'm looking for an editor that offers a drop down possible word
list when you start typing and it reduces as you type more and you
can also arrow key to pick a word from that list
2064 [14:14:02] <IFightForTheUser> vim will do if it can do it
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2066 [14:14:17] <IFightForTheUser> emacs will do, whatever hackery
we can do, will do. Any ideas?
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2068 [14:14:45] <IFightForTheUser> (Not just the words you have
typed, but also words from the English dictionary)
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2073 [14:18:22] <seoner> wheezy vs jessie?
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2076 [14:18:27] <IFightForTheUser>
replaced-url
2077 [14:18:39] <IFightForTheUser> seoner, who me? Jessie stable
2078 [14:19:13] <seoner> IFightForTheUser: so wheezy is pretty bad
to use?
2079 [14:19:21] <IFightForTheUser> Never used it, I dunno.
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2081 [14:21:26] <babilen> seoner: jessie is the current stable
release and will be replaced by "stretch" soon. Why do you
consider running wheezy at all at this time?
2082 [14:23:50] <seoner> babilen: i heard some people run wheezy
for server because its still secure. not true?
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2084 [14:24:24] <babilen> Those people run wheezy because they
cannot upgrade to jessie for one reason or another. I would strongly
recommend to *not* deploy new systems with it.
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2091 [14:27:34] <seoner> where can i find correct
/etc/apt/sources.list for jessie?
2092 [14:27:39] <seoner> i need it for update
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2094 [14:27:52] <babilen> dpkg: jessie sources.list
2095 [14:27:53] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2097 [14:29:34] <seoner> babilen: can you pastebin ur list? :)
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2100 [14:31:08] <babilen> seoner: Just use the one mentioned by
the bot ^^^ add "contrib non-free" if you use those
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2102 [14:32:20] <seoner> im using this
2103 [14:32:22] <seoner>
replaced-url
2104 [14:32:28] <seoner> but i get some error
2105 [14:32:34] <seoner> Err
replaced-url
2106 [14:32:38] <seoner> Err
replaced-url
2107 [14:32:41] <seoner> do you know why?
2108 [14:32:43] <babilen> Yes, use the entries above
2109 [14:33:09] <babilen> Add deb-src entries and "contrib
non-free" and you're done
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2115 [14:34:09] <rocket__> hi
2116 [14:34:15] <rocket__> do u recommend to use sshfs on debian?
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2118 [14:34:23] <rocket__> it also needs fuse
2119 [14:34:33] <rocket__> i think its a more secure way instead
of samba?
2120 [14:34:48] <Pavr> if you need it and it suits your purpose do
it.
2121 [14:35:19] <petn-randall> rocket__: Depends on your use case.
Windows can't access sshfs out of the box, for example.
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2123 [14:36:07] <rocket__> you can instlall it on windows too i
think
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2125 [14:36:16] <rocket__> im kinda worried about the samba
security
2126 [14:36:22] <rocket__> which doesnt seem to be very good
2127 [14:36:32] <rocket__> probably sshfs is a better way to go
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2129 [14:36:46] <rocket__> what do u you think petn-randall ?
2130 [14:36:49] <tx> rocket__: it's pretty slow
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2132 [14:37:05] <rocket__> ok i can imagine, its all encrypted
2133 [14:37:11] <netvor> hi guys, I have this "dirty"
repo that is just a directory of few deb packages that I update by
`dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -c9 > Packages.gz` that is
on Jessie
2134 [14:37:22] <rocket__> tx, so better use samba and make it
save?
2135 [14:37:34] <netvor> the repo works on Jessie but not on
stretch, which gives up upon not finding Release file
2136 [14:37:42] <netvor> can I work around it somehow?
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2138 [14:37:59] <rocket__> well i could stop the samba service and
only let it run manually for example
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2141 [14:38:18] <Rembo> where can i get apt/sources for debian 6 ?
2142 [14:38:27] <seoner> babilen:
replaced-url
2143 [14:38:35] <jelly> Rembo: ask the bot: /msg dpkg squeeze
sources.list
2144 [14:38:41] <netvor> the .list file is just `deb
replaced-url
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2149 [14:39:32] <jelly> netvor: go investigate reprepro or
something similar and set up a slightly less dirty-hack of a repo
2150 [14:39:42] <seoner> Err
replaced-url
2151 [14:39:44] <seoner> Err
replaced-url
2152 [14:39:48] <seoner> two error again
2153 [14:39:48] <Gentoochild> hello dear gurus. I have a quick
question about dpkg-buildpackage. If I am wrong here, feel free to
redirect me. :)
2154 [14:40:10] <seoner> why do i get two errors from that
sources.list?
2155 [14:40:20] <Gentoochild> I am trying to build a qt package
from sources. When I execute debian/rules build, all goes well. But
when I use dpkg-buildpackage, it always fails when running a chmod
command with "Invalid argument". Does that ring any bell
with you?
2156 [14:40:24] <seoner>
replaced-url
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2158 [14:41:09] <rocket__> what do u guys use for remote FS?
2159 [14:41:11] <rocket__> samba?
2160 [14:42:10] <Pavr> depends on what im doing
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2163 [14:43:15] <netvor> jelly: hm, thanks but these seem too much
work forthis stage of my project
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2166 [14:44:00] <netvor> jelly: I was not trying to set up anyting
of a proper repo, I was just curious why on Jessie it works but not
on Stretch
2167 [14:44:10] <seoner> anybody?
2168 [14:44:21] <rocket__> so if i want to disable samba its just
systemctl disable smb, right?
2169 [14:45:03] <seoner> babilen: Do you know why I get this error
messages?
2170 [14:45:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> seoner, if the http redirection
urls don't work for you,you can also use
replaced-url
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2174 [14:45:46] <babilen> Don't use "stable", but
"jessie"
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2178 [14:46:11] <netvor> I guess I'll stick back to dpkg -i
on the stretch machine then...
2179 [14:46:16] <seoner> babilen: who are you talking about?
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2181 [14:46:44] <babilen> "replaced-url
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2183 [14:47:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, yeah… better use the
codename "jessie". comes from typing it instead of copying
it
2184 [14:47:13] <petn-randall> rocket__: That's why I said
"out of the box".
2185 [14:47:20] <seoner>
replaced-url
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2188 [14:47:23] <seoner> Im using this
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2190 [14:47:30] <seoner> there is no stable in there?
2191 [14:47:44] <seoner> Err
replaced-url
2192 [14:47:49] <seoner> Err
replaced-url
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2194 [14:47:59] <rocket__> petn-randall, yeah you are right well i
think its secure do start it manually if you have to copy stuff
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2197 [14:48:44] <petn-randall> rocket__: You shouldn't use
SMB over the internet, anyway. So SMB and sshfs have two different
use cases.
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2199 [14:49:22] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: they work. but I do not
know why I get the error message?
2200 [14:49:41] <rocket__> petn-randall, i dont do use it over the
inet, but ppl can also hack into your lan
2201 [14:49:43] <jelly> netvor: apt has had some nice changes in
the meantime
2202 [14:50:08] <netvor> that's a good thiing for sure! :)
2203 [14:50:33] <netvor> I can't wait to really properly set
up it all with GPG and all
2204 [14:50:58] <netvor> that'll be a reward for me :)
2205 [14:51:07] <seoner> nobody?
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2208 [14:51:50] <seoner> you want me to paste full logs?
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2210 [14:52:32] <petn-randall> !bat
2211 [14:52:32] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2212 [14:52:36] <petn-randall> seoner: ^^^
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2219 [14:55:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> seoner, deb.debian.org urls use
http redirection to give you a mirror close to you. (as you get
explained when you just visit
replaced-url
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2222 [14:55:29] <seoner>
replaced-url
2223 [14:55:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> petn-randall, I think we already
had it covered :)
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2226 [14:55:41] <seoner>
replaced-url
2227 [14:56:00] <seoner>
replaced-url
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2234 [14:58:57] <seoner> petn-randall: do you have everything you
need?
2235 [14:59:27] <lroe> I'm trying to apt-get build-dep
python3-requests from sid, but I get the error: Picking
'requests' as source package instead of
'python3-requests' E: Build-Depends dependency for
requests cannot be satisfied because candidate version of package
python-urllib3 can't satisfy version requirements
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2237 [15:00:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah… the joys of
backporting
2238 [15:00:07] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: you can check out the two
links? Maybe you can see what is wrong
2239 [15:00:13] <rocket__> wow ecryptfs is really fast
2240 [15:00:32] <rocket__> fun to play around with all this sec
stuff on debian
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2242 [15:00:36] <jelly> judd: checkbackports python3-requests
--fromrelease sid
2243 [15:00:41] <rocket__> anyway back to work, later
2244 [15:00:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> seoner, I told you what I think
is wrong…
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2247 [15:01:18] * jelly kicks judd
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2249 [15:01:37] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: Do you know how I solve
this?
2250 [15:01:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, checkbackport
python3-requests
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2252 [15:01:39] <judd> Backporting package python3-requests in
sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: python-urllib3 (>= 1.19.1), python3-urllib3 (>=
1.19.1).
2253 [15:01:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> seoner, I thought the urls with a
country code worked for you
2254 [15:02:10] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: what urls?
2255 [15:02:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, checkbackport
python-urllib3
2256 [15:02:13] <judd> Backporting package python-urllib3 in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
2257 [15:02:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> the ones… that worked?
[14:49] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: they work. but I do not know
why I get the error message?
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2259 [15:03:26] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: I dont have them now. Do
you know how to solve this or not?
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2261 [15:04:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> which country are you in?
2262 [15:04:12] <seoner> NL
2263 [15:04:50] <seoner> Netherlands
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2265 [15:05:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> then try "deb deb
replaced-url
2266 [15:06:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> ops, only one deb, of course
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2268 [15:06:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> "deb
replaced-url
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2270 [15:06:51] <babilen> Also paste the complete command and
output to
replaced-url
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2272 [15:07:04] * babilen doesn't look at pastebin.com
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at pastebin.com
2275 [15:07:25] <seoner> babilen: I already did!
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2278 [15:07:45] <babilen> Where?
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2282 [15:08:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe you can look at
replaced-url
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2284 [15:08:50] <Night_Elf> I installed openvpn via the repos of
openvpn project, then uninstalled it. Then I installed it from
sources. Now when I do "man openvpn" I get this message:
man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man8/openvpn.8.gz: No such
file or directory.
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2287 [15:09:16] <Night_Elf> The man page appears properly anyway,
as it is under /usr/local/share/ But How can I fix that message ?
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2290 [15:09:44] <seoner> babilen
2291 [15:10:05] <seoner> scroll up
2292 [15:10:14] <babilen> I don't think that contains the
output for ftp.nl.debian.org nor the command
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2295 [15:10:32] <seoner> babilen: what do you mean?
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2298 [15:10:44] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: thank you. no errors now.
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2300 [15:10:50] <babilen>
replaced-url
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2302 [15:11:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> \o/
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2304 [15:11:19] <babilen> We moved on and ftp.nl.debian.org was
suggested. I'd like to see the errors with that.
2305 [15:11:37] <babilen> But apparently there are none, so ...
2306 [15:11:43] <jelly> lroe: so you'd need to first backport
and install python-urllib3 to be able to backport python3-requests
...
2307 [15:11:49] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: what about
replaced-url
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2309 [15:12:11] <lroe> jelly, yea, I figured that out. Thanks. the
bigger problem is that urllib3 requires python3.3
2310 [15:12:16] <babilen> seoner: I'd stick to a single
mirror and sec.d.o
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2312 [15:12:31] <lroe> and I don't think it is a good idea to
ssb python3
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2314 [15:12:47] <jelly> ,v python3
2315 [15:12:49] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; sid: 3.5.3-1
2316 [15:12:56] <jelly> lroe: are you on wheezy?
2317 [15:13:03] <lroe> jelly, yea
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2319 [15:13:18] <seoner> babilen:
replaced-url
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2321 [15:14:20] <jelly> lroe: get thee to jessie at least, then,
or fake the build deps and hope urllib3 doesn't _really_ need
3.3
2322 [15:14:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> seoner, security.debian.org has
no mirrors, so don't change that… change all other cases
of deb.debian.org (but if the 2nd one doesn't give you errors,
it seems to have been a temporary problem anyway)
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2325 [15:16:05] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: Sorry Im confused. can
you tell me if I should change something more?
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2328 [15:16:42] <babilen> seoner: Please use
replaced-url
2329 [15:16:54] <Night_Elf> Ok, I fixed the message "man:
can't resolve /usr/share/man/man8/openvpn.8.gz: No such file or
directory." by running mandb as root.
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2333 [15:17:19] <babilen> seoner: And I already noted that I would
stick to sec.d.o and a single mirror. As ftp.nl.debian.org
doesn't seem to cause problems for you at the moment, why not
use that?
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2339 [15:18:02] <seoner> babilen:
replaced-url
2340 [15:18:17] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat:
replaced-url
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2348 [15:19:39] <seoner> So im ready to go?
2349 [15:19:45] <babilen> seoner: Yes, you are mixing
ftp.nl.debian.org and deb.debian.org
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2351 [15:20:04] <seoner> babilen: what do you want me to do?
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2354 [15:20:11] <CutMeOwnThroat> change the last line also to: deb
replaced-url
2355 [15:20:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> so that it's not using two
different mirrors
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2360 [15:22:09] <seoner>
replaced-url
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2362 [15:22:17] <seoner> CutMeOwnThroat: Im ready to go now? :)
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2367 [15:23:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> if it works, it works :)
2368 [15:24:07] <seoner> Thank you :)
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2384 [15:36:12] <thurstylark> I have a machine that supports AHCI,
and it's enabled, but I'm not able to hotplug SATA.
Whenever I plug a drive in, the drive powers up, but it doesn't
ever come up. Is there something extra I need to do on my end?
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2388 [15:37:50] <Brigo> thurstylark, have you checked logs?
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2391 [15:38:16] <thurstylark> Brigo: nothing comes up in dmesg
when I unplug and plug it back in.
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2396 [15:39:08] <lroe> jelly, how do I fake the build deps?
2397 [15:39:15] <Brigo> thurstylark, then i don't know, maybe
a hardware/bios problem?
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2399 [15:39:54] <thurstylark> Brigo: must be. It comes up if I
boot with the drive installed, just not hotplug
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2402 [15:40:43] <Brigo> thurstylark, sad.
2403 [15:40:49] <thurstylark> ikr
2404 [15:41:31] <seoner> im stucked
2405 [15:41:32] <seoner> samba (2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u1)
jessie-security; urgency=high
2406 [15:41:32] <seoner> :
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2408 [15:41:37] <seoner> what should i do?
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2410 [15:41:52] <seoner> upgrade wheezy to jessie
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2412 [15:41:57] <Brigo> thurstylark, maybe this link is useful:
replaced-url
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2415 [15:42:26] <petn-randall> seoner: As always, please provide
all information:
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2417 [15:42:27] <petn-randall> !bat
2418 [15:42:28] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2420 [15:42:44] <seoner> petn-randall: there is nothing to paste
really
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2422 [15:42:53] <petn-randall> seoner: So no problem?
2423 [15:42:55] <seoner> petn-randall: i dont think you read what
i wrote
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2434 [15:43:21] <petn-randall> seoner: Hard to say, you just
provided a line from a changelog without any context.
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2439 [15:43:37] <petn-randall> seoner: And then asked "what
should i do?".
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2445 [15:44:04] <seoner> petn-randall: should i read the page and
continue installation?
2446 [15:44:13] <petn-randall> seoner: Which page?
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2450 [15:44:26] <seoner> petn-randall: that i paste
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2453 [15:44:40] <petn-randall> seoner: Provide a complete paste of
that you're seeing.
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2457 [15:44:47] <RM982> guys, couple issues with my displays after
a dist-upgrade, the main display used to turn on automatically when
I start the computer, not anymore, the secodary display now start
deactivated, I need to enable it manually from settings/display in
XFCE
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2459 [15:44:52] <RM982> Debian 9
2460 [15:45:02] <thurstylark> Brigo: I'll try this out.
thanks!
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2463 [15:45:10] <Brigo> thurstylark, yw, good luck :)
2464 [15:45:17] <petn-randall> seoner: Wait, you're seeing a
list of changelogs? From apt-listchanges? Then read it (or not), and
then press q to close it.
2465 [15:45:39] <seoner> petn-randall: yes, i guess.
2466 [15:45:55] <seoner> petn-randall: ENTER provides me more and
more text.
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2468 [15:46:18] <seoner> petn-randall: thank you
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2480 [15:48:33] <petn-randall> seoner: That is probably the output
piped to the command 'more'. If you install
'less', you can actually scroll around in it.
2481 [15:48:46] <seoner>
replaced-url
2482 [15:48:50] <seoner> what should i do about this?
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2486 [15:49:26] <petn-randall> seoner: What don't you
understand?
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2489 [15:49:46] <seoner> petn-randall: how do i close this
programs?
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2491 [15:50:23] <seoner> petn-randall: well it says to close them.
but how?
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2493 [15:50:54] <petn-randall> seoner: Is your screensaver
currently running?
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2497 [15:51:22] <seoner> petn-randall: i dont know. how do i
check?
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2502 [15:51:32] <petn-randall> seoner: Look at your screen. Is it
locked?
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2506 [15:51:56] <seoner> petn-randall: ScreenLock?
2507 [15:52:06] <petn-randall> seoner: Do you currently see a
screensaver running?
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2514 [15:53:17] <seoner> petn-randall: I have a "screen
lock" on the side of "clock"
2515 [15:53:24] <seoner> petn-randall: i dont reallyk now.
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2518 [15:53:39] <petn-randall> seoner: A screensaver looks like
this:
replaced-url
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2521 [15:54:07] <seoner> petn-randall: yes i have it
2522 [15:54:18] <petn-randall> seoner: Is you screen currently
locked with a screensaver?
2523 [15:54:22] <petn-randall> *your
2524 [15:54:24] <greycat> This conversation is completely
bewildering.
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2528 [15:54:46] <petn-randall> greycat: I know m(
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2530 [15:54:49] <seoner> petn-randall: if it was, I could not
write to you, do you think that?
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2532 [15:54:58] <petn-randall> seoner: Correct.
2533 [15:55:01] <greycat> "Is your door closed?"
"How would I know?" "Look at the door. Is it
closed?" "I see the door."
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2538 [15:55:42] <seoner> petn-randall: so what do I do?
2539 [15:55:42] <petn-randall> seoner: As long as you don't
let your screensaver lock before rebooting, you're fine.
2540 [15:55:49] <tomcres> greycat reminds me of Zork
2541 [15:55:57] <seoner> petn-randall: ok
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2544 [15:56:16] <centrx> "Is the house yellow?"
"This side of the house is yellow."
2545 [15:56:52] <petn-randall> seoner: You can also check on the
commandline with 'ps auxw | grep xscreen'.
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2548 [15:57:24] <greycat> "The fact that you can actually
open a window and type commands in it might be an indication that
your screen IS NOT LOCKED, duh?"
2549 [15:57:26] <seoner> petn-randall: new issue.
replaced-url
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2552 [15:57:59] <petn-randall> seoner: DO you actually read those
things, or you just blindly pasting them here?
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2555 [15:58:25] <seoner> petn-randall: ofc I read them. But dont
know what to do?
2556 [15:58:34] <petn-randall> seoner: THINK, and make a decision.
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2560 [15:59:01] <petn-randall> It's a simple yes or no
question that you can answer for yourself.
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2562 [15:59:27] <seoner> petn-randall: This services means like
openvpn, yes?
2563 [15:59:27] <petn-randall> Do I know if you want to be
prompted when services need restarting? No.
2564 [15:59:53] <petn-randall> seoner: It means whatever services
need restarting, whatever those services are.
2565 [15:59:53] <greycat> how in the hell is this person running a
VPN
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2570 [16:01:20] <petn-randall> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2572 [16:01:39] <seoner> petn-randall: btw
replaced-url
2573 [16:01:48] <seoner> petn-randall: Looks good for you?
2574 [16:02:02] * petn-randall wonders why someone has debconf priority
"low" if they don't understand the questions.
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2577 [16:02:27] <strk> how do I mount an Windows (SMB) device ?
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2579 [16:02:36] <strk> he mate file browser tells me that
"Location" is smb://audiorequest/
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2582 [16:02:56] <petn-randall> seoner: You can kill that process
with 'kill 6844' if you're scared your screensaver
might accidentally kick in.
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2584 [16:03:10] <petn-randall> sorry, 'kill 3122'.
2585 [16:03:24] <greycat> Is he doing a dist-upgrade inside a
desktop environment? If so, WHY?
2586 [16:03:39] <seoner> petn-randall: Thank you sir. What do you
mean with 'debconf priority "low"'? :)
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2618 [16:17:14] <seoner> petn-randall: Do you know anything about
the "Can delete old directory. Directory not empty."
message?
2619 [16:17:22] <seoner> Cant
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2630 [16:21:06] <todd_dsm> Hey guys, looking for the difference in
8.7 vs. 86+1 on
replaced-url
2631 [16:21:33] <klys> seoner, perhaps one of the files in there
was open while rm attempted to process the directory. check it and
make sure any files left in there aren't also in the output of
lsof. if this was part of a package removal, perhaps there was just
a stray file in there that was put there some other way that
didn't belong.
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2634 [16:22:15] <BluesKaj> when booting to debian i receive this
message just after the post page," need a new version of
e2fsck" , I already have the latest version or is this an error
?
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2637 [16:22:58] <seoner> klys: it is something to worry about? how
do I check?
2638 [16:23:47] <tomcres> BluesKaj, it means that your disk was
formatted with a newer version of an ext? filesystem than the system
fsck supports. When you installed Jessie, was the disk already
formatted by a newer kernel version than what you're using now?
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2640 [16:24:07] <klys> blueskaj, dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools
or so because the outdated fsck is part of the initrd package to
your kernel boot sequence, not your root installation of debian.
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2642 [16:24:59] <klys> seoner, look in there and see why it is
still there. you will probably see maybe one stray file
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2645 [16:25:33] <tomcres> brb
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2649 [16:26:15] <seoner> klys: if the installation requires
removing directory. why do not delete it, then?
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2651 [16:26:53] <seoner> klys: I can not really see the logic here
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2653 [16:27:11] <klys> seoner, I see, you can check the files used
by a package with dpkg -L package; so it isn't supposed to
touch any other files.
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2657 [16:28:14] <seoner> klys: there is massive with text and it
was some directories that were not deleted. should I really go
through it all?
2658 [16:28:21] <klys> this is because perhaps the user left
configuration data or other user-related information in the stray
file, or there is another package that needed to be there
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2669 [16:30:58] <seoner> klys: yeah but the system understand I
upgrade. why not make it a priority and make a backup of these files
then?
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2677 [16:33:16] <seoner> klys: it is really something to worry
about? I can continue with my upgrade?
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2679 [16:33:31] <klys> seoner, I cannot see your files.
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2686 [16:34:42] <petn-randall> seoner: I have the feeling that all
your questions can trivially be solved by googling your question and
hitting the "I'm feeling lucky" button.
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2689 [16:35:47] <seoner> klys: is this a commond issue (message)?
2690 [16:35:54] <seoner> common
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2694 [16:36:39] <klys> seoner, it happens. just check and see how
your files got there and if you need them
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2696 [16:38:13] <seoner> klys: What if I continue upgrade (apt-get
dist-upgrade) without checking the files?
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2698 [16:38:56] <klys> seoner, then the stray files will stay
there unless there is another package which uses files like that.
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2702 [16:39:43] <seoner> klys: I can not even find the error on
the screen anymore. so much text that was..
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2710 [16:41:46] <seoner> klys: do you understand my issue here?
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2714 [16:43:07] <greycat> Is the issue "I'm upgrading
from stable to testing/unstable, but I have not read the release
notes, and I am not willing to read the messages on the screen, and
I don't understand anything anyway, and I should not be doing
this under any circumstances, but I am too stubborn to do sensible
things"?
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2721 [16:47:07] <petn-randall> I think they're upgrading from
wheezy to jessie.
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2723 [16:47:47] <greycat> Ahh.
2724 [16:49:15] <squigz> wtf did I just read
2725 [16:49:20] <squigz> Why people like this even running Debian
2726 [16:49:33] <squigz> why are*
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2729 [16:50:22] <greycat> Novices have to start somewhere. If
he's doing wheezy->jessie, then that's a supported
thing, and there are release notes and a wealth of knowledge about
how the upgrade works.
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2731 [16:50:37] <squigz> greycat: He didn't even know what a
screensaver is.
2732 [16:50:41] <greycat> dpkg, wheezy->jessie
2733 [16:50:41] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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2734 [16:51:16] <rock>
replaced-url
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2743 [16:56:56] <rock> h
2744 [16:56:56] <rock> \
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2752 [16:58:44] <petn-randall> !tell rock about ot
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2760 [17:04:30] <rock> what ot
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2762 [17:05:07] <rock> sayyy
2763 [17:05:16] <rock> hellllooo
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2765 [17:05:23] <Silvering> petn-randall : I come bakc with my
previous issue. I finally found a solution using nginx and gunicorn.
On my server web sites are already running. Here is my nginx.conf :
replaced-url
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2769 [17:06:00] <rock> jii silvering
2770 [17:06:13] <rock> hii can u see me??
2771 [17:06:22] <Silvering> rock : yes
2772 [17:06:38] <centrx> your fly is down
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2775 [17:07:09] <KlausedSource> hey everyone, from my debian
machine i usually ssh into a server of mine. Now when i use wifi to
connect it does not work anymore.
2776 [17:07:28] <KlausedSource> i get the following response in
terminal: ERROR: Unable to verify ip: 192.168.6.164 != 10.143.6.200
2777 [17:07:49] <greycat> that is not any kind of standard error
message. sounds like something you hacked up on your server.
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2790 [17:10:24] <KlausedSource> greycat, i didn't change
something on the server, i use ssh-key auth
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2792 [17:10:59] <greycat> Then what is producing that exact error
message with that IP address in it?
2793 [17:11:22] <KlausedSource> i thought it comes from ssh?
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2795 [17:11:55] <greycat> Why would a VANILLA UNTOUCHED SSH expect
your address to be 10.143.6.200
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2798 [17:12:15] <greycat> Somehow, somewhere, you have told
SOMETHING that you should only be allowed in from 10.143.6.200
2799 [17:12:36] <greycat> And now because you changed network, you
are no longer being seen as 10.143.6.200
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2801 [17:12:55] <greycat> It could be client-side, or router-side,
but it's definitely not a vanilla thing.
2802 [17:13:27] <jelly> KlausedSource: that doesn't look like
any openssh message I've seen
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2804 [17:14:36] <klys> check the files in ~/.ssh and see if one of
them refers to that ip
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2810 [17:17:31] <bend> How to make something bootable
2811 [17:17:51] <sh00p> install a bootloader on it
2812 [17:17:51] <SerajewelKS> that's a pretty vague question
2813 [17:18:06] <tomcres> bend what medium and what system?
2814 [17:18:08] <greycat> Your computer's hardware and
firmware determine what is "bootable".
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2818 [17:19:24] <jscoder> How could I use mousekeys (keyboard as a
mouse) without a number pad. I'd like to make use of specific
keys to control the mouse
2819 [17:19:44] <bend> If I have cd or dvd or usb disk or other
storage device; I put bootloader in first 400 bytes; will it become
bootable?
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2824 [17:20:01] <jscoder> it seems to me most logical to use the
built-in mousekeys functionality as it works well, I just don't
know how to remap the keys used
2825 [17:20:07] <SerajewelKS> bend: does this have something to do
with debian?
2826 [17:20:11] <klys> bend, grub-install
2827 [17:20:28] <tomcres> CDs/DVDs are different from USB disks or
other storage media. You need to be more specific as to what you
want to accomplish.
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2829 [17:20:39] <bend> I don't use Linux klys
2830 [17:20:45] <greycat> Your computer's firmware has to be
able to even TRY to boot the device. After that, the device needs to
have a bootloader image on the part of it that the firmware attempts
to read.
2831 [17:20:55] <sh00p> well then you came to the wrong
neighbourhood bend :)
2832 [17:20:56] <klys> bend, ask womewhere more appropriate then
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2834 [17:21:13] <bend> (greycat) Your computer's hardware and
firmware determine what is "bootable".
2835 [17:21:15] <bend> How?
2836 [17:21:19] <greycat> Magic.
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2838 [17:21:36] <klys> bend, the bios loads the mbr. see: man
install-mbr
2839 [17:21:47] <greycat> KlausedSource: see "I don't
use Linux"
2840 [17:21:48] <bend> tomcres I want to understand how something
becomes bootable
2841 [17:21:51] <greycat> err.
2842 [17:22:07] <greycat> why the hell did kl<TAB> expand to
that...
2843 [17:22:11] <klys> =.=
2844 [17:22:21] <SerajewelKS> bend: your question has nothing to
do with debian; it is off-topic. there are more general channels
where you can ask these kinds of questions.
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2846 [17:23:10] <bend> SerajewelKS can you suggest few
2847 [17:23:25] <greycat> ##hardware
2848 [17:23:57] <greycat> 11:23 Ignoring MSGS from bend
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2850 [17:24:11] <sh00p> ye i got pm also
2851 [17:24:13] <greycat> Asshole.
2852 [17:24:42] <bend> I also got
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2868 [17:31:07] <tomcres> !msg
2869 [17:31:08] <dpkg> (1) Use private messages to the bots to
reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian
without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on
channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the
answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network
staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in
'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food
additive (see
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2870 [17:31:49] <greycat> Asking a support question in /msg is one
of the rudest things you can do.
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2874 [17:32:59] <gstaniak> Hi
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2879 [17:33:35] <gstaniak> How do I check what packages will be
pulled in as dependecies when I install a package?
2880 [17:33:55] <greycat> apt-get (or apt or aptitude) will tell
you this and ask for confirmation
2881 [17:34:13] <n4dir> apt-cache show package-name or apt-cache
show package-name | grep -i dep
2882 [17:34:24] <sh00p> apt-get install --dry-run foo
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2884 [17:34:31] <n4dir> or ... or ... or ...
2885 [17:34:32] <zykotick9> gstaniak: there is also
"apt-cache depends foo" or "apt-cache rdpends
bar"
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2887 [17:35:05] <gstaniak> greycat, so i just try to install and
review, right/>?>?#
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2890 [17:35:34] <n4dir> this is not perl. a simple question mark
will suffice.
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2892 [17:36:09] <gstaniak> n4dir, that just lists the first level
of dependencies, which may have own dependencies.
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2895 [17:36:22] <gstaniak> sh00p, thanks, I'll try that,
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2897 [17:37:01] <sh00p> have fun gstaniak
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2907 [17:40:22] <somiaj> gstaniak: apt-get and aptitude also have
a dry/run or simulation flag
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2909 [17:40:49] <gstaniak> somiaj, thanks, sh00p already showed me
that.
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2925 [17:46:46] <mefistofeles> any ideas why my script is not
running with cron as regular user? I put it in the file with crontab
-e
2926 [17:46:59] <sh00p> does it end with .sh?
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2928 [17:47:02] <sh00p> i believe it cannot end with .sh
2929 [17:47:07] <greycat> That's incorrect.
2930 [17:47:08] <mefistofeles> sh00p: yes, and x permissions
2931 [17:47:11] <mefistofeles> sh00p: oh!
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2934 [17:47:33] <greycat> Make sure it's got +x, make sure
it's on a file system that is NOT mounted with "user"
or "noexec", and show the actual crontab entry.
2935 [17:47:44] <mefistofeles> greycat: one sec
2936 [17:47:50] <sh00p> hm, i'm quite sure i had problems
when i had .sh endings
2937 [17:47:57] <sh00p> i admit it sounds weird
2938 [17:48:30] <hmuller> The cdebootstrap manpage is too sparse,
can anyone explain the (-c | --configdir) option?
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2942 [17:49:29] <greycat> sh00p: you might be thinking of
cron.daily and run-parts.
2943 [17:49:49] <sh00p> greycat: yea, that rings a few bells
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2945 [17:50:09] <greycat> run-parts doesn't allow scripts to
have dots, but a single crontab line has no such limitations
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2950 [17:50:47] <jhutchins_wk> sh00p: *nix does not care about
file extensions. It uses the magic word instead.
2951 [17:51:04] <mefistofeles> greycat:
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2953 [17:51:44] <greycat> oh, you're not even executing the
script. you're calling "sh".
2954 [17:51:49] <greycat> so the permissions don't matter
2955 [17:52:06] <greycat> Your line is 0 5 * * 1 sh
/home/repos/aptly_cron.sh > ...
2956 [17:52:39] <greycat> This should run at 5:00 (AM) each Monday
only
2957 [17:52:49] <mefistofeles> ah, lol
2958 [17:52:56] <mefistofeles> damn 1
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2960 [17:52:58] <mefistofeles> yes, sorry
2961 [17:53:04] <mefistofeles> greycat: thanks!
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2963 [17:53:27] <mefistofeles> that explains why it run yesterday
xD
2964 [17:53:37] <mefistofeles> (though the other sysadmin run it
manually)
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2984 [18:02:36] <n4dir> jesus, that took me ages. .sh filename
extension:
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2985 [18:03:37] <greycat> you could've asked #bash and
we'd cough it up quickly
2986 [18:03:48] <greycat> or /msg greybot .sh
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2988 [18:04:25] <n4dir> greycat: yeah, i thought i could figure it
out with greybot, but used the wrong terms. If i had known it would
take me that long, i would have simply asked
2989 [18:04:39] <lizzie>
considered-harmful-article-titles-considered-not-funny-anymore
2990 [18:04:56] <lizzie> actually though I totally agree with that
article
2991 [18:05:03] <lizzie> scripts should be interchangeable with
binaries for most uses
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2994 [18:05:30] <greycat> When it's in full production,
exposed to end users, that is absolutely correct. End users should
never be typing myapp.sh
2995 [18:05:33] <lizzie> they don't quite interfere...
nothing stops you from naming a native binary foo.sh, but it is a
silly thing to plan for
2996 [18:05:48] <lizzie> agreed
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2998 [18:06:05] <greycat> Lots of people violate the guideline
when it's just a personal project, or a one-off script, etc.
2999 [18:06:50] <n4dir> i didn't read the article. If i am
told something in #bash, i follow that advise. I do understand the
explanation by the bot though (that is: i don't simply follow
without - at least - trying to understand)
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3007 [18:12:39] * olivetree_ Be Right Back
3008 [18:12:54] <greycat> !away
3009 [18:12:54] <dpkg> Do not use public away/back messages in
#debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In
BitchX, /set auto_away off; in XChat, Preferences > Chatting >
General > uncheck Announce Away Messages; ask in #yourircclient
if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you
will be devoiced.
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3013 [18:14:48] <squigz> Is BitchX still used? :P
3014 [18:15:18] <greycat> Probably not by very many.
3015 [18:15:33] <zykotick9> squigz: yes, but the question is
"should bitchx still be used", which the answer should be
no.
3016 [18:15:38] <squigz> lol
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3019 [18:16:16] <tomcres> ,v bitchx
3020 [18:16:17] <judd> No package named 'bitchx' was
found in amd64.
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3022 [18:17:07] <subpath> no package named bichtX found on
packages.debian.org
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3025 [18:17:58] <greycat> you misspelled it
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3027 [18:18:33] <greycat> but anyway, looks like it's not in
wheezy+
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3031 [18:19:26] <somiaj> haven't people moved away from that
irc client and using hexchat or something like that?
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3034 [18:20:05] <tomcres> I think most people using IRC in a
terminal are probably now on irssi or epic
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3037 [18:20:39] <greycat> irssi or weechat, apparently
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3039 [18:21:01] <somiaj> weechat, that is what I was trying to
think of.
3040 [18:21:26] <Logg> I don't really see the big deal on
using file extensions on scripts. Not using a file extension makes a
python script less portable, because it won't work properly on
Windows without an extension, and I don't think windows uses
interpreter directives. Since portability is often a goal of
scripted languages like python, I think it's desirable in some
cases to include a file name extension on a script intended to be
run by the user.
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3043 [18:22:16] <greycat> Windows can go take a flying leap into a
volcano.
3044 [18:22:19] <somiaj> I like them because then I can have an
idea about the file from ls
3045 [18:22:29] <Logg> that too somiaj
3046 [18:22:30] <greycat> Nothing we say or discuss or think about
has anything to do with Windows, ever.
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3048 [18:23:05] <greycat> "Portability" means Linux
*and* BSD *and* legacy unix
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3051 [18:23:48] <greycat> somiaj: it's also common to have
extensions on scripts in your source code tree, but to remove them
in the "make install"
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3053 [18:24:46] <Logg> What a hassle just to remove information
from the filename. If you use tab completion, you're not even
typing any extra characters
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3058 [18:26:06] <n4dir> Don't use extensions for your
scripts. Scripts define new commands that you can run, and commands
are generally not given extensions. Do you run ls.elf? Also: bash
scripts are *not* sh scripts (so don't use .sh) and the
extension will only cause dependencies headaches if the script gets
rewritten in another language. "
3059 [18:26:17] <n4dir> ups, missed the first quote.
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3063 [18:27:03] <n4dir> though in general it is none of my
business. I only gave the info that quite a few recommend to not use
extensions for shell or bash scripts.
3064 [18:27:04] <greycat> And a script that's currently
written in sh or bash is *pretty likely* to be rewritten in
something else, later on.
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3067 [18:28:05] <Logg> so just rename the file when you do that
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3070 [18:28:36] <n4dir> you could do the same with the python
script you want to use on Windows, no? :-)
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3072 [18:28:47] <Logg> Windows users are dumb, they won't
know to rename it.
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3075 [18:29:07] <centrx> harsh truth
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3077 [18:29:18] <teraflops> I know a couple of dumb linux users
too ^
3078 [18:29:25] <n4dir> :-)
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3080 [18:29:48] <n4dir> also a couple of smart Windows users.
Can't see how using a certain OS makes you dumb or smart
3081 [18:29:59] <teraflops> I'm one of those (dumb ones)
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3083 [18:30:21] <teraflops> n4dir: very true
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3085 [18:30:41] <Logg> If it's not a command that goes in
$PATH, it's fine to have a file extension. That's my
opinion.
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3089 [18:31:04] <n4dir> glad we got that sorted, Logg
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3102 [18:34:16] <moonpunter> Given a library, where would its
cflags most likely be? In this libappindicator
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3122 [18:45:06] <Silvering> Hi everyone! On my dedicated server I
have websites running. I just deployed my django app using nginx and
gunicorn. Here is my nginx.conf file :
replaced-url
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3125 [18:46:11] <jhutchins_wk> !nginx
3126 [18:46:11] <dpkg> Nginx (engine x) is an open source HTTP
server (supports FastCGI, not CGI), reverse proxy and POP3/IMAP/SMTP
proxy.
replaced-url
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3129 [18:47:10] <Logg> nuh-gincks
3130 [18:47:25] <moonpunter> engineX
3131 [18:47:30] <Logg> :)
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3133 [18:47:41] <moonpunter> I agree though it's silly
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3150 [18:51:47] <Raineer> now i won't be able to NOT read
that as "nuh-gincks". i can't unsee it
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3156 [18:54:45] <sandman13> n-jinx :)
3157 [18:56:03] <NeoXiD> Hi everyone! Simple but probably stupid
question: Does Debian backport kernel fixes which are not strictly
security-related? There is a really annoying bug in the network
stack which got fixed for 4.10, but I just discovered today that
Stretch will release with 4.9 (and the 4.10 plans were dropped)
3158 [18:57:09] <somiaj> NeoXiD: not directly, but some fixes and
even hardware additions get added to the stable branch upstream
which do make their way into a stable release over time
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3160 [18:57:21] <greycat> Yes, especially since the stretch kernel
isn't released yet, I would expect any major bugs to be
patched.
3161 [18:57:28] <NeoXiD> somiaj: Is there any chance or way to get
replaced-url
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3163 [18:57:51] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
3164 [18:57:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid:
4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.6-3);
jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.9.2-2~bpo8+1); jessie:
3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports:
3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
(3.2.84-1)
3165 [18:57:57] <greycat> File a bug report against the kernel if
you want to be extra-double-sure the Debian kernel team knows about
it.
3166 [18:58:02] <NeoXiD> Kinda affects people using Debian for
software routes, like me - the kernel does not check for the proto
of an IPv6 route, which causes BIRD (or other routing daemons) to
delete CONNECTED-routes
3167 [18:58:10] <somiaj> NeoXiD: first see if there is a bug
report, then report it. The debian team works with the 4.9 upstream
and over time things do get backported to the 4.9 kernel. Unsure on
the details of what gets backported and not.
3168 [18:58:43] <NeoXiD> Alright, will give it a try
3169 [18:58:58] <somiaj> NeoXiD: but things other than security
support gets backported. rc bugs have to get fixed, though this
might be just an important bug, and those could get fixed.
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3172 [19:00:05] <somiaj> NeoXiD: had someone else metion a similar
issue of a fix in 4.10 not in 4.9, they reported a bug, if the issue
is the same you should add to the bug by sharing the patch commit.
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3185 [19:04:23] <unborn> somiaj: are you suggesting to use
backports on system or - just clean debian install (non free in my
case) for updates...just asking
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3192 [19:06:29] * olivetree_ Back :)
3193 [19:06:59] <moonpunter> GRR
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3195 [19:07:15] <moonpunter> Why wouldn't I have
appindicator3-0.1.pc?
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3198 [19:08:11] <greycat> are you... supposed to have it? what is
it?
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3201 [19:08:25] <jhutchins_wk> ,v appindicator
3202 [19:08:26] <judd> No package named 'appindicator'
was found in amd64.
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3204 [19:08:33] <gr8> which is better to use to add versions of
packages that are newer than what my stable distribution provides:
testing or backports?
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3209 [19:08:58] <jhutchins_wk> gr8: We strongly recommend against
mixing testing and stable.
3210 [19:09:04] <moonpunter> lol nvm anyway, I had so many tabs
and what not open I had forgotten to install libappindicator3-dev
3211 [19:09:04] <tomcres> gr8, backports; do not just take random
packages from testing
3212 [19:09:09] <jhutchins_wk> gr8: That's what backports are
for.
3213 [19:09:14] <gr8> ok thanks
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3215 [19:09:35] <moonpunter> There's this great little
program called audio-recorder they did at ubuntu
3216 [19:09:50] <moonpunter> It lets you record the output of a
given application, very easily
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3218 [19:10:04] <moonpunter> Compiling from source, and I just
made it go :D
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3221 [19:10:43] <moonpunter> ahh beautiful
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3231 [19:13:30] <gr8> what is a good way to disable *.list files
in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? So they are not read by apt
3232 [19:14:09] <maziar> what is difference between galera-3 and
galera new cluster?
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3235 [19:14:31] <greycat> gr8: rename them so they don't end
with .list
3236 [19:14:46] <jhutchins_wk> gr8: I think you can change the
name so it doesn't end in .list - foo.list.bak
3237 [19:15:11] <greycat> As sources.list(5) says, they must end
with .list or .sources or they won't be used.
3238 [19:15:11] <gr8> I renamed them to .list.disable but now apt
complains that ".disable" is an invalid file extension...
3239 [19:15:12] <jhutchins_wk> gr8: The question is why do you
have files there?
3240 [19:15:26] <teraflops> move them away from there^
3241 [19:15:46] <gr8> jhutchins_wk: so I can easily re-enable them
later and don't have to rewrite them
3242 [19:16:00] <greycat> gr8: so ignore the complaint
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3244 [19:16:09] <gr8> I don't like complaints. It looks ugly
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3246 [19:16:54] <tomcres> gr8, move them to another directory
then…perhaps /etc/apt-disabled/
3247 [19:16:57] <jhutchins_wk> I mean why are they there in the
first place?
3248 [19:17:17] <gr8> jhutchins_wk: where else do you put them to
temporarily disable them?
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3250 [19:17:26] <teraflops> ._.
3251 [19:17:42] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: it's a SECRET, duh!
3252 [19:18:11] <adriano44> Hi anyone has already make a bridge in
/etc/networking/interfaces ?
3253 [19:18:12] <unborn> moonlight: audio recorder is still within
debian :) - its called sound recorder
3254 [19:18:22] <jhutchins_wk> gr8: Wherever you like.
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3256 [19:18:43] <gr8> is etc/apt/sources.list.disabled read by
apt?
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3258 [19:19:05] <teraflops> tias
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3262 [19:20:03] <greycat> gr8: does it end with .list?
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3264 [19:20:29] <gr8> it works.
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3268 [19:22:50] <unborn> like tias teraflops, those episodes
happening are - awesome :D
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3275 [19:25:50] <gr8> are there no mirrors for
security.debian.org?
3276 [19:26:45] <DoctorD90> yo folks! :D im bored to each time i
update libreoffice, I have to reset "manually"/trough GUI
each type of file that has to be opened with it. Could I ask you
what is the terminal command to just easly configure default program
that has to open a file extension ?? ;) thx
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3279 [19:28:27] <unborn> gr8: - that is the mirror where you
getting stuff from.. what other mirrors you looking for? I would not
trust anything other than debian mirrors, but feel free to create
your own one.. and make sure they are sync at least in 12 hours.
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3283 [19:29:56] <gr8> unborn: just wondered because there are
things like ftp.de.debian.org for stable dists but nothing like
de.security.debian.org
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3285 [19:30:08] <gr8> like, country mirrors
3286 [19:30:18] <gr8> or domain aliases, whatever
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3290 [19:30:53] <unborn> gr8: yes.. debian.org should be fine
3291 [19:31:11] <TomTomTosch> gr8:
replaced-url
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3293 [19:31:45] <unborn> gr8: you can always check those mirrors..
as TomTomTosch suggested.. visit the link and it will tell you
everything you need to know :)
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3296 [19:33:30] <gr8> but there are no DNS aliases given in that
FAQ?!
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3298 [19:33:50] <gr8> just saying that they do exist lol
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3300 [19:34:26] <unborn> gr8: its second sentence on that link: A:
Actually, there are. There are several official mirrors, implemented
through DNS aliases. The purpose of security.debian.org is to make
security updates available as quickly and easily as possible.
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3302 [19:34:37] <unborn> ..just read it.
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3305 [19:35:53] <jelly> gr8: there are multiple dns A and AAAA
records all for security.debian.org. That's how it works.
3306 [19:36:10] <gr8> ah ok
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3308 [19:36:26] <gr8> why don't they just write that lol
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3310 [19:36:42] <seoner> hi people
3311 [19:36:46] <gr8> hi seoner
3312 [19:36:56] <seoner> how do i install systemd 230 from
jessie-backports?
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3315 [19:37:44] <unborn> gr8: because that is how it works.. jelly
just told you
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3317 [19:37:52] <jelly> gr8: I actually have no idea what
"dns aliases" means.
3318 [19:38:28] <jelly> it's ambiguous
3319 [19:38:32] <tomcres> !jessie-backports
3320 [19:38:33] <dpkg> Selected packages intended for the Debian 9
"Stretch" release but recompiled for use with
"Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the
"jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports
are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A
suitable line for your sources.list is «deb
replaced-url
3321 [19:38:37] <gr8> unborn: for me, an DNS alias is an alias for
somewhere.debian.org that redirects to officialmirror.mybunkz.edu
3322 [19:38:48] <greycat> gr8: they're called CNAMEs
3323 [19:39:11] <greycat> irc.debian.org. 1H IN CNAME
irc6.geo.oftc.net.
3324 [19:39:17] <tomcres> once you add the jessie-backports line
to your sources.list, you can `apt -t jessie-backports install
systemd`
3325 [19:39:35] <jelly> greycat: except security.debian.org uses
no CNAME records.
3326 [19:39:53] <greycat> True.
3327 [19:40:13] <greycat> It's a simple round-robin with ...
currently 4 address records.
3328 [19:40:23] <unborn> gr8, im bit advanced in dns and stuff..
so I get your question, but - why is this question.. - any reason
for that? you know how linux works and all of the things around, so
- how can I help you.. - I did mentioned that you can pull your own
repo and going from there..
3329 [19:40:26] <jelly> so that answer in security faq could be
more precise
3330 [19:40:34] <seoner> tomcres: can i use deb
replaced-url
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3332 [19:40:39] <seoner> with nl.?
3333 [19:40:57] <seoner> tomcres: can i use
replaced-url
3334 [19:41:06] <greycat> you either use deb.debian.org or you use
your country-specific mirror(s)
3335 [19:41:08] <tomcres> seoner you can use any valid mirror
3336 [19:41:10] <unborn> gr8: unless you dont trust debian
mirros.. of course
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3338 [19:41:48] <jelly> seoner: no, but you can try
replaced-url
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3343 [19:42:15] <jelly> no such thing as just
"nl.debian.org"
3344 [19:42:30] <unborn> ...and do all testing, checking and all
things and then you can pull or get only things you like it..
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3348 [19:44:35] <seoner> deb
replaced-url
3349 [19:44:40] <seoner> like this?
3350 [19:44:57] <tomcres> seoner I believe that should work
3351 [19:45:05] <seoner> can i see contrib non-free in the end?
like this deb
replaced-url
3352 [19:45:08] <seoner> ?
3353 [19:45:13] <jelly> seoner: yes
3354 [19:45:20] <tomcres> don't forget to apt update after
editing sources.list
3355 [19:45:50] <unborn> gr8 for me dns means point nothing else
and point is - great thing.. whatever its dns alias or anything
else.. its still the point.. just saying..
3356 [19:45:57] <seoner> ok thank you
3357 [19:46:01] <jelly> sometimes there are backports of stuff in
non-free section, eg.
3358 [19:46:03] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
3359 [19:46:04] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 375.26-2;
stretch/non-free: 375.26-2
3360 [19:46:17] <DrBunsen> Hello, does anyone here have experience
with usb capture cards? I have a dazzle dvc100 but I seem to be
unable to stream it in vlc. There is a /dev/video0 device available,
so I am not sure what to do next.
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3374 [19:52:20] <klys> DrBrunsen, have you loaded tuner drivers
also? try xawtv
3375 [19:52:28] <unborn> ,v dns
3376 [19:52:29] <judd> No package named 'dns' was found
in amd64.
3377 [19:52:36] <unborn> ,v bind
3378 [19:52:36] <judd> No package named 'bind' was found
in amd64.
3379 [19:52:41] <unborn> meh :)
3380 [19:52:42] <klys> bind9
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3382 [19:52:48] <unborn> 'v bind9
3383 [19:52:50] <klys> ,v bind9
3384 [19:52:51] <judd> Package: bind9 on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10; wheezy-security:
1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u14; wheezy-backports:
1:9.9.5.dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u8;
jessie-proposed-updates: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u9; jessie-security:
1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u9; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-11; sid:
1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-11.1; experimental: 1:9.10.4-P5-1
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3386 [19:53:02] <unborn> klys: cheers
3387 [19:53:43] <unborn> ..yap up to date :)
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3389 [19:55:48] <somiaj> !msg the bot
3390 [19:55:48] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in
a private message as much as possible. Instead of using
"!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about
<topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg
topic". See <bot help> and
replaced-url
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3394 [19:56:45] <NeoXiD> greycat, somiaj: Thank you for your
assistance and have a nice day, I opened a bug report.
3395 [19:56:52] <DrBunsen> klys: tuner drivers?
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3400 [19:57:05] <unborn> somiaj: sorry, I just use that bot as
anyone else.. i thought its free to use.. anyway - you did not
answered my question..
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3402 [19:57:43] <superrorc> hey guys! dpkg -L show me only files
installed by some package
3403 [19:57:44] <greycat> Only address the bot in public when you
want the entire channel to see the response, as when answering
someone's on-topic Debian question.
3404 [19:57:49] <greycat> Otherwise, /msg it.
3405 [19:57:57] <klys> DrBunsen, are you using v4l2 ? does your
device have a tuner? have you probed for a tuner? lsmod
3406 [19:58:13] <tomcres> klys, the DVC100 doesn't have a
tuner. It's simple composite video.
3407 [19:58:18] <klys> k
3408 [19:58:21] <superrorc> how can i find all custom files ( conf
) which are belongs to some binary or package?
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3410 [19:58:55] * unborn nods greycat - cheers
3411 [19:59:04] <greycat> The ones that are shipped with it will
be listed in dpkg -L pkgname, but any that are created on the fly
(either by the postinst or by actual use of the software) will not
be listed.
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3413 [19:59:08] <DrBunsen> tomcres, klys: xawtv works, but draws
lines I do not see on the telly
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3415 [19:59:21] <seoner> hi again
3416 [19:59:24] <seoner> Error! Your kernel headers for kernel
3.16.0-4-586 cannot be found.
3417 [19:59:25] <seoner> Please install the
linux-headers-3.16.0-4-586 package,
3418 [19:59:27] <seoner> or use the --kernelsourcedir option to
tell DKMS where it's located
3419 [19:59:30] <seoner> how do i fix this?
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3421 [19:59:58] <unborn> seoner: the error message does tell you
how to fix it.. did you even read it?
3422 [20:00:19] <superrorc> greycat: yeah, i see. but what is
approach for find old custom files related to some programs?
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3424 [20:00:22] <superrorc> greycat: yeah, i see. but what is
approach for find old custom files related to some programms?
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3426 [20:00:32] <klys> DrBunsen, funny, I have a device that does
that too. it is a pci 4-input composite BNC capture card.
3427 [20:00:38] <moonpunter> Really, you pressed up and added an m
to programs?
3428 [20:00:43] <seoner> unborn: linux-headers-3.16.0-4-586 is
already the newest version.
3429 [20:00:44] <klys> works great with windows tho
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3431 [20:01:01] <greycat> superrorc: you mean the ones that are
generated and not installed? There is no general procedure. You
would need to have knowledge of that particular program and what
files it creates.
3432 [20:01:09] <unborn> seoner: well done.. then reboot and issue
the command again.
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3435 [20:01:34] <superrorc> greycat: got it, thanks a lot
3436 [20:01:39] <seoner> unborn: i get the messsage when upgrade
from wheezy to jessie
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3440 [20:01:58] <unborn> seoner: - did you reboot?
3441 [20:02:21] <seoner> unborn: yes
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3444 [20:02:26] <DrBunsen> klys: It is not sharp and the moving
things have that interlaced effect
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3446 [20:02:33] <klys> yes
3447 [20:02:35] <superrorc> unborn: sudo apt-get install
linux-headers-`uname -r`
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3449 [20:03:05] <DrBunsen> anyway to get rid of that, like how it
is not present on the telly?
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3451 [20:03:20] <seoner> superrorc: was that message to me?
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3453 [20:03:35] <klys> DrBunsen, try #mplayer or #vlc
3454 [20:03:39] <superrorc> yes, 2 link in google
"linux-headers-3.16.0-4-586 is already the newest version"
3455 [20:03:43] <unborn> superrorc: can you paste your command
output from this? last reboot | head -1
3456 [20:04:06] <DrBunsen> klys: the issue is, I can't stream
it with vlc
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3458 [20:04:19] <seoner> superrorc: what should i google it?
3459 [20:04:25] <seoner> why
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3463 [20:05:15] <unborn> hm.. ah man help us humans..
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3469 [20:06:30] <unborn> superrorc: it takes you long time,
possible editing.. I cannot help you sorry.
3470 [20:07:03] <seoner> superrorc: 1 you giving me a command to
run, 2 you tell me to google something.
3471 [20:07:04] <superrorc> as i know - you need headers for all
installed images
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3473 [20:07:42] <superrorc> seoner: sry
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3475 [20:08:07] <greycat> Near as I can tell, only seoner is
asking for help. superrorc and unborn both erroneously addressed
each other with answers that should have gone to seoner. Now nobody
knows what the hell anyone is saying.
3476 [20:08:32] <unborn> superrorc: no.. you just give out
rubbish.. thats what was happen.. I wont help you.. have other
things to do, like helping genuine issues on this chan.
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3478 [20:09:00] <klow> Looks like I joined something good here
3479 [20:09:08] <unborn> greycat: - im sorry to upset you again..
but - just follow the convo and be free to decide.
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3482 [20:09:53] <unborn> klow: debian is best, not just good ;)
3483 [20:10:20] <seoner> systemd 230 is not default installed with
jessie?
3484 [20:10:31] <greycat> ,v systemd
3485 [20:10:32] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy:
44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports:
204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u6; jessie-backports:
230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-15; sid: 232-18
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3488 [20:11:19] <seoner> greycat: do you know the answer?
3489 [20:11:40] <greycat> THE FUCKING ANSWER IS RIGHT THERE ON
YOUR FUCKING SCREEN
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3491 [20:11:42] <greycat> JUST READ IT
3492 [20:11:51] <greycat> jessie: 215-17+deb8u6; jessie-backports:
230-7~bpo8+2;
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3494 [20:11:57] <greycat> HOW HARD IS THAT
3495 [20:12:24] <seoner> greycat: mind language
3496 [20:12:34] <greycat> *plonk*
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3498 [20:14:04] <unborn> - heh I can see it now.. sorry for not -
bloody seeing it and yes you are right - man I do something wrong...
i just helped one and I just did not noticed him.. sorry about it!
seoner - the most advanced user just told you - its right there.. -
just read it.. :)
3499 [20:14:06] <jelly> seoner: instead of focusing on language,
it's wiser to focus on the useful technical info provided by
our volunteers, and maybe thank them now and again
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3503 [20:14:25] <unborn> - sometimes - I am idiot.
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3506 [20:14:52] <seoner> jelly: Do you know me? I always thanks
people here.
3507 [20:15:17] <nkuttler> can we move the meta discussion to
-offtopic?
3508 [20:15:32] * unborn sure
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3511 [20:16:05] <unborn> nkuttler: i need the hash :) to join :D
3512 [20:16:24] <unborn> means # = hash
3513 [20:16:43] <nkuttler> !tell unborn about ot
3514 [20:16:46] <unborn> no? okay :)
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3516 [20:17:19] <seoner> so Jessie uses systemd 215 by default and
jessie-backports has systemd 230 available.
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3518 [20:17:37] <greycat> I think he's trying to ask the name
of the offtopic channel. It's #debian-offtopic
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3520 [20:18:19] <unborn> cheers nkuttler but I will not join the
discussion whatever - since I learned my lessons hard in here.. I
will only join if there is reason or purpose or my knowledge..im in
man :)
3521 [20:18:22] <LtL> seoner: yes thats correct
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3523 [20:18:36] <seoner> LtL: thank you
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3525 [20:18:43] <awal1> I have 4 cpu's. when I start
firefox/chromium/virtualbox one cpu gets used at 100%. Not really
normal, eh? Or that's okay?
3526 [20:18:51] <LtL> seoner: you're welcome
3527 [20:19:00] <nkuttler> awal1: sounds normal to me
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3529 [20:19:11] <jelly> awal1: that means the app you started is
(mostly) single-threaded
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3531 [20:19:20] <jelly> and eats a lot of cpu
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3533 [20:19:29] <awal1> ok, thanks
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3551 [20:25:28] <seoner> ok people im running jessie now :)
3552 [20:25:51] <Logg> Yay. :)
3553 [20:25:53] <seoner> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8
(jessie)"
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3572 [20:34:02] <qmr> why the hell am I being balanced to
netherlands mirror
3573 [20:34:14] <nkuttler> it's fast?
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3575 [20:34:17] <qmr> or is
replaced-url
3576 [20:34:21] <qmr> nkuttler: 8KB/s
3577 [20:34:26] <nkuttler> eh..
3578 [20:34:54] <greycat> this is why I continue to use
replaced-url
3579 [20:35:05] <greycat> none of those automatic thingies ever
work reliably
3580 [20:35:25] <qmr> when I manually typed in us instead of nl I
get asked for a password
3581 [20:35:37] <qmr> I'm guessing that's just safari
being fucking retarded. clicking your link works thx
3582 [20:35:40] <nkuttler> qmr: ftp?
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3584 [20:35:56] <qmr> nkuttler: no
replaced-url
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3586 [20:36:15] <qmr> looks like it balanced me to wikimedia
foundation. which is like 5 miles away but effing slow last time I
tried it. it'll work though
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3588 [20:36:37] <nkuttler> ah well, do what greycat suggests and
hardcode your mirror
3589 [20:37:03] <tomcres> try out netselect-apt if you want to
find a fast mirror
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3594 [20:37:47] <jelly> hardcoding your own mirror works for me
:>
3595 [20:38:16] <qmr> on my todo is set up apt-cacher or a full
mirror here. right now I'm running it through squid at least.
it's even money if that will make things faster or slower
though :P
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3598 [20:39:05] <jelly> if you have a TB of disk, it makes some
things easier
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3600 [20:39:36] <qmr> all the hosts here have small fast disks,
there are some netapp filers with around ~100TB
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3602 [20:39:52] <qmr> NFS is slow on them though for whatever
reason. faster than internet mirror though
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3625 [20:48:17] <qmr> so, what are the cool kids running in
production these days? stable or testing?
3626 [20:48:37] <greycat> In production? oldstable or stable.
3627 [20:48:42] <SerajewelKS> i'm not sure about the cool
kids, but i'd say the competent would be running stable.
3628 [20:48:50] <SerajewelKS> i don't want to be cool, i want
my shit to work
3629 [20:48:51] <greycat> except for those few boxes that are
still on something older than wheezy
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3631 [20:49:02] <qmr> external consultant is suggesting Ubuntu
1604 to standardize on
3632 [20:49:08] <qmr> but I installed it on 1 server and jesus
fuck no
3633 [20:49:14] <tomcres> "production" implies I'm
actually productive ;-)
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3635 [20:49:30] <qmr> so I'm thinking Debian 8, and 1604
where needed in VMs
3636 [20:49:43] <SerajewelKS> depends how you define productive, i
have a production debian stable server that runs a 7 days to die
game server, so...
3637 [20:49:51] <jelly> qmr: never testing
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3640 [20:50:14] <SerajewelKS> qmr: i use stable and backport stuff
that i need to be newer
3641 [20:50:30] <jelly> qmr: 16.04 LTS is not a bad choice if you
have ubuntu expertise
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3644 [20:51:08] <jelly> and you can live with the meager amount of
security-supported software
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3649 [20:54:22] <qmr> jelly: my expertise is mostly in hating
Ubuntu. they fell from the way long ago
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3651 [20:54:42] <qmr> installing 8 on a vm now, just the installer
alone is faster
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3661 [20:58:51] <rly_> I have the rather interesting situation
that I cannot see my X session (i.e. I see a black screen). Usually,
I am connected via a secondary screen and use that one, but
obviously without that screen connected I want to see the laptop
screen.
3662 [20:58:57] <rly_> Why would KDE *ever* do that?
3663 [20:59:08] <rly_> And, how do I fix this without resetting
the whole X session?
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3666 [20:59:33] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
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3670 [21:00:21] <NapoleonWils0n> i have selected seperate home
during the install, is there a way to adjust the partition size
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3672 [21:00:55] <somiaj> NapoleonWils0n: are you using lvm or not?
3673 [21:01:00] <NapoleonWils0n> need to decrease /home by 10gig
and increase /root by 10g
3674 [21:01:07] <NapoleonWils0n> yes using lvm
3675 [21:01:08] <somiaj> have you already installed?
3676 [21:01:27] <NapoleonWils0n> no havent installed yet, just on
partition disc section of installer
3677 [21:01:51] <somiaj> the installer should give you options to
adjust the partition table, thus size of partitions.
3678 [21:01:57] <NapoleonWils0n> it has created the seperate /home
but not writtent the changes to disc yet
3679 [21:02:32] <NapoleonWils0n> im sure there was a way to adjust
the suggested partition sizes
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3681 [21:02:57] <somiaj> It might depend on the partition method
you selected, guided vs manual, it also might depend on if you used
the expert mode or not.
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3683 [21:03:59] <NapoleonWils0n> used expert mode, selected guided
seperate /home
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3686 [21:04:44] <NapoleonWils0n> its the size of the lvms i need
to change
3687 [21:04:44] <somiaj> it might be that guided doesn't give
you the full options to select size, go back and select manual, then
manually state each paritition, its size and what it will be used as
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3689 [21:05:15] <NapoleonWils0n> thought so thnx guys
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3702 [21:09:17] <jelly> NapoleonWils0n: installer's choices
for LV sizes are crazy, but you can delete those LVs, create them
anew and assign filesystem types and mountpoints by hand
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3704 [21:10:04] <NapoleonWils0n> yup 10gig for /root too small
3705 [21:10:13] <NapoleonWils0n> ran into that issue before
3706 [21:10:28] <jelly> <user> let's use LVM
<installer> okay, I will literally fill all the PVs with one
huge /home, leaving no free space in VG, thus nuking most of the
benefits of using LVM in the first place
3707 [21:10:56] <NapoleonWils0n> add that to the wiki :)
3708 [21:10:58] <jelly> NapoleonWils0n: you can extend it later
and 10G is a nice ballpark value
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3710 [21:11:14] <jelly> IF there's free space in the VG :-)
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3712 [21:14:09] <NapoleonWils0n> ill partition the disc then drop
to the shell
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3720 [21:18:02] <NapoleonWils0n> you can execute a shell form the
installer but doesnt look like you can use the pv commands to change
the lvm
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3723 [21:20:07] <jelly> NapoleonWils0n: it's a rescue image,
there's probably only the main "lvm" binary
3724 [21:20:26] <NapoleonWils0n> yes busybox
3725 [21:20:36] <jelly> so you can run "lvm pvdisplay"
maybe
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3728 [21:22:24] <NapoleonWils0n> i know 10 gig for /root wont be
enough
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3734 [21:23:26] <NapoleonWils0n> ill see what defaults it use for
the 3rd option seperate /home /root /var /tmp
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3736 [21:24:16] <NapoleonWils0n> i have a video and some scripts
about recording from kodi using debian
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3739 [21:24:29] <NapoleonWils0n>
replaced-url
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replaced-url
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3746 [21:25:25] <Macer> anybody using pam_mount to mount home
dirs?
3747 [21:25:28] <Macer> or anythhing for that matter?
3748 [21:25:33] <Macer> doesn't seem to be working for me and
i see no logging
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3801 [21:47:32] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. What are some issues which
would make some sites not load in a browser? I can get Google and
Wikipedia to load but not Twitter or IMDb.
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3804 [21:48:30] <jelly> the error message you get will suggest a
possible reason, Lady_Aleena
3805 [21:49:20] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: what browser? Is it chromium
by chance?
3806 [21:49:28] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, the message I get is the
standard "Server not found" in Firefox.
3807 [21:49:51] <somiaj> does 'ping host' return an ip
Lady_Aleena ?
3808 [21:50:05] <somiaj> replace host with the domain name you
can't connect to
3809 [21:50:08] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, in the browser?
3810 [21:50:21] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: no from a termina, I'm
checking to see if dns lookup is working on your machine.
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3814 [21:51:10] <Lady_Aleena> By the way, in Chromium the message
is <site>'s server DNS address could not be found.
3815 [21:51:11] <ryouma> Lady_Aleena: rather incredibly, it is
actually sometimes the case that a physical link is down and you
just can't get to california from wherever you are. or
whatever. you'd think the internet routes around that -- always
-- but i have been given that answer by an isp.
3816 [21:51:21] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: "server not found"
happens when dns resolution is affected
3817 [21:51:33] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: yea sounds like dns is not
working, checking ping to verify.
3818 [21:51:40] <Lady_Aleena> DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
3819 [21:51:45] <jelly> chromium apparently gives better error
messages.
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3821 [21:52:23] <Azrael_-> hi
3822 [21:52:31] <Lady_Aleena> And "ping
fantasy.xecu.net" returns "connect: Network is
unreachable"
3823 [21:52:34] <Azrael_-> is there a systemd-startup script for
multiple mariadb-instances which i can use for managing?
3824 [21:53:10] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: cat /etc/resolv.conf what is
the nameserver you have in there? be a line like nameserver
ipaddress
3825 [21:53:12] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: that machine may have lost
its connectivity to the local router and dns server.
3826 [21:53:46] <greycat> sounds like a wifi issue to me
3827 [21:53:49] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: try unplugging and plugging
in the wired network, or reconnecting to wireless network
3828 [21:53:54] <somiaj> actually yea, looks like a network issue
over dns, seems strange that some sites work at all though.
3829 [21:54:30] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, "nameserver
2001:558:feed::1 /lf nameserver 2001:558:feed::2"
3830 [21:54:59] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I can still search on
google.com and wikipedia.org which is really weird.
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3832 [21:55:24] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, and I just did the whole
unplugging and replugging thing.
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3835 [21:56:06] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: it vaguely sounds as if your
machine has lost ipv4 settings and/or connectivity but ipv6 still
works
3836 [21:56:09] <ryouma> did you try 8.8.8.8?
3837 [21:56:12] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: that is an ipv6 address,
wonder if things with ipv6 is working but ipv4 is not.
3838 [21:56:31] <Lady_Aleena> ryouma, ping 8.8.8.8?
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3840 [21:56:47] <ryouma> set it as dns -- you should listen to
somiaj not me, just an idea
3841 [21:57:02] <somiaj> maybe the output of 'ip addr'
would help, so we can see if ipv4 is even configured on your system.
3842 [21:57:04] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: did the system detect said
re-plug in any way?
3843 [21:57:22] <somiaj> though I like jelly suggestion, just
reset your network connection and see if that fixes it.
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3845 [21:57:37] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I am here on the machine in
question, which means I am connected to the net.
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3848 [21:58:12] <Lady_Aleena> Is there a way to reload DNS
settings?
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3850 [21:58:28] <greycat> restart whatever program you're
using
3851 [21:58:29] <Lady_Aleena> Basically so I don't have to
reboot my computer...
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3853 [21:58:47] <greycat> DNS settings is just the contents of
/etc/resolv.conf which may be cached in memory by some programs
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3855 [21:58:54] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: what do you use to configure
your network?
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3860 [21:59:47] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, did not work, Firefox still
can not load twitter.com, imdb.com, or amazon.com.
3861 [21:59:59] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, unknown.
3862 [21:59:59] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: not necessarily,
"connected to the net" can apparently be a bit complicated
to ascertain with a dual-stack
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3864 [22:00:34] <ryouma> slock segfaults every time i turn off the
monitor. is this expected?
3865 [22:00:35] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: the defualt is the
interfaces file, care to share your /etc/network/interfaces file
with us?
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3867 [22:01:02] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: pastebin the outputs of
"ip a", "ip r" and "ip -6 r", and
contents of /etc/network/interfaces if you can
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3870 [22:01:36] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, anywhere I can go with flood
data since I can't get to a pastebin?
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3872 [22:01:49] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: /join #flood
3873 [22:01:55] <Lady_Aleena> Is there something like
#debian-flood?
3874 [22:01:55] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: can you access pastebin.ca ?
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3876 [22:02:12] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I CAN! WOW!
3877 [22:02:18] <jelly> (first one I found to actually have an
AAAA record)
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3884 [22:04:31] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
3885 [22:04:38] <Lady_Aleena> That is everything requested.
3886 [22:05:30] <tomcres> hmmm…looks like no IPv4
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3889 [22:05:46] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: your eth0 has no ipv4
network configuration which is the problem. You are also not using
the interfaces to configure the network. Do you use network-manager?
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3891 [22:06:00] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, never touched it.
3892 [22:06:02] <somiaj> anyways others may better nkow how to
deal with ipv4 and ipv6 connenctions.
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3895 [22:06:31] <nobody44> hey... in a default debian
installation, how do i enable dhcpv6? just adding "iface eth0
inet6 dhcp" doesn't do it :-|
3896 [22:06:52] <somiaj> nobody44: what did you do after you added
that line?
3897 [22:06:59] <nobody44> i rebooted
3898 [22:07:25] <somiaj> nobody44: you can do things like ifup
eth0 and ifdown eth0 for the lines in the interfaces file and see
what the actual issue may be.
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3900 [22:08:05] <Lady_Aleena> So reboot now to see if that does
the trick? Also, this is not the computer with this problem.
3901 [22:08:34] <nobody44> somiaj, i could do that if I were not
connected via SSH :-)
3902 [22:08:35] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: that is one way to restart
everything, but if you knew what managed yoru network, you could
just restart your network configuration
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3904 [22:08:49] <greycat> Rebooting is the surest test.
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3908 [22:09:32] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, well, I don't know what
manages my network.
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3912 [22:10:18] <Lady_Aleena> Any way of finding out what manages
my network?
3913 [22:10:19] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: network-manager is common
and as a gui, wicd is another one.
3914 [22:11:00] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, neither are on my system.
3915 [22:11:12] <nobody44> I mean... I can actually *see* that
"dhclient" is not called with the "-6" parameter
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3921 [22:12:55] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: do you have any files in
/etc/network/interfaces.d ? I know systemd has a networkd that can
configure the network, but this is not enabled by default on debian
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3924 [22:14:28] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I have the directory but
there is nothing in it.
3925 [22:14:37] <tw> somiaj: the default /e/net/interfaces file
includes `source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*`
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3928 [22:15:09] <tw> oh, nm, that doesn't conflict with what
you said.
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3930 [22:15:12] <tw> brainfart
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3940 [22:16:40] <tw> anyway, I'd try manually calling
`dhclient eth0` as root to see if it picks up an interface,
regardless of what is managing it.
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3942 [22:16:52] <tw> dhclient -4 eth0
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3945 [22:17:30] <tw> Lady_Aleena: @you. If it's not getting a
dhcp response and you aren't manually configuring the
interface, that's the problem.
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3949 [22:18:02] <Lady_Aleena> tw, so what is the solution?
3950 [22:18:19] <tw> depends on if you are or are not getting dhcp
back.
3951 [22:18:30] <Lady_Aleena> Try to get all websites I visit to
go ipv6?
3952 [22:18:48] <somiaj> yea could be something like avahi or some
other automatic tool configuring the network when it needs to be
manually configured.
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3954 [22:19:06] <Lady_Aleena> tw, how do I know if I am dhcp back?
What is dhcp?
3955 [22:19:20] <tw> if you run that dhclient -4 eth0 command, it
will tell you if it got an address.
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3957 [22:19:46] <Lady_Aleena> tw, do I need sudo?
3958 [22:19:49] <tw> yes.
3959 [22:20:05] <Lady_Aleena> tw, nothing was returned.
3960 [22:20:13] <tw> like no text at all?
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3962 [22:20:18] <Lady_Aleena> Correct
3963 [22:20:26] <tw> it should say a bunch of crap about
discovery.
3964 [22:20:34] <Lady_Aleena> It doesn't.
3965 [22:21:06] <tw> Lady_Aleena: check ip -4 a show dev eth0 to
see if it actually configured anything.
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3968 [22:22:12] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
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3972 [22:23:04] <tw> k, it configured; your ipv4 should be
functional. The problem is in your network auto configuration on
your box.
3973 [22:23:28] <Lady_Aleena> So, something got lost sometime and
somewhere?
3974 [22:23:48] <tw> Maybe? did this work previously and then stop
working?
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3976 [22:23:57] <Lady_Aleena> Yes, it stopped working.
3977 [22:25:01] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, it is working again for a
reason I can not explain.
3978 [22:25:22] <tw> Lady_Aleena: It works now because you now
have an ipv4 address.
3979 [22:25:26] <tw> which you did not have before.
3980 [22:25:42] <Lady_Aleena> Correct
3981 [22:25:49] <Lady_Aleena> I think.
3982 [22:25:53] <tw> Lady_Aleena: Do you have a pair of lines
exactly like this in your /etc/network/interfaces
replaced-url
3983 [22:26:11] <somiaj> tw: adding the two lines 'auto
eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' to
/etc/network/interfaces should bring up the device automatically
3984 [22:26:15] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: ^^
3985 [22:26:27] <somiaj> though that is only ipv4, unsure if you
want ipv6 as well or not
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3989 [22:27:29] <Lady_Aleena> This is what I have...
replaced-url
3990 [22:28:07] <jhutchins_wk> Which is exactly what it did -
loopback and no eth0
3991 [22:28:30] <jhutchins_wk> Add either of the suggested pair of
lines to bring eth0 up as well.
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3993 [22:28:49] <jhutchins_wk> Lady_Aleena: Or use NetworkManager.
3994 [22:28:56] <n4dir> Lady_Aleena: if that is all you have *and*
you got no network-manager running, then you won't connect
automatically.
3995 [22:29:50] <Lady_Aleena> So, what lines do I need to add to
/etc/network/interfaces to get things to where they should be?
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3997 [22:30:11] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: the two I gave you should be
sufficent for ipv4
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3999 [22:31:15] <nmschulte> Is this indicative of a hardware
issue? I receive this on a brand new (~2 mo old) laptop (Dell
Precision Workstation w/ Quad Core Intel Xeon; Skylake).
replaced-url
4000 [22:31:23] <n4dir>
replaced-url
4001 [22:31:27] <Lady_Aleena> So, add the line "allow-hotplug
eth0" and amend "iface lo inet loopback" to
"iface lo inet loopback eth0"?
4002 [22:31:59] <jelly> don't touch lo or loopback
4003 [22:32:16] <jelly> add a new, separate stanza for eth0
4004 [22:32:23] <zykotick9> tw: <sidenote re:dhclient> when
you mentioned that L_A would see output after running dhclient, i
thought 'ya i remeber seeing that..." but on my one
machine that i don't have networking enabled by default and
actually run "dhclient eth0" to start networking when
required, i just booted - and noticed "dhclient eth0"
doesn't give any feedback (which in *nix normal, no message =
no errors). this is also
4005 [22:32:24] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I wasn't going to remove
them, just add eth0 to the end of line 2.
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4008 [22:32:29] <zykotick9> a box running testing.
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4010 [22:33:01] <n4dir> Lady_Aleena: you can copy and paste from
the debian wiki ( i think someone posted examples above too).
Assuming you use eth0
4011 [22:33:02] <tw> zykotick9: probably needs -d or -v or
something to prevent it from daemonizing.
4012 [22:33:19] <tw> I'm used to udhcpcd not dhclient.
4013 [22:34:59] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, jelly, tw: So
/etc/network/interfaces should look like
replaced-url
4014 [22:35:00] <n4dir> you can always simply run "dhclient
-v eth0" manually, of course. And i would not know how a not
configured interface should be able to connect to IRC and fail when
using the web, but i didn't follow the whole discussion.
4015 [22:35:38] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I ahd a typo, the last line
should be auto eth0
4016 [22:35:44] <Lady_Aleena> Trying to merge the current settings
with the new suggested settings.
4017 [22:35:57] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: and you need a 5th line
'iface eth0 inet dhcp'
4018 [22:36:14] <tw> n4dir: short version is ipv6. long version
probably involves gutteral incantations involving SLAAC.
4019 [22:36:33] <DoberMann> interfaces.d is life ;p
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4021 [22:36:41] <n4dir> can't say that i understand you, tw
4022 [22:37:04] <tw> can connect to irc via ipv6.
4023 [22:37:12] <n4dir> ah.
4024 [22:37:13] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, jelly, tw: So
replaced-url
4025 [22:37:16] <tw> even though it's not autoconf.
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4031 [22:38:37] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: that should work. I
personally don't have an allow-hotplug eth0 line, but I
don't plug/unplug my cord and need it to reconfigure if I do.
4032 [22:38:43] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: almost right, except
"allow-hotplug eth0" and "auto eth0" are very
similar in meaning and mutually incompatible, leave one of those not
both
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4034 [22:39:12] <DoberMann> Lady_Aleena: you should split your
configuration like this :
replaced-url
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4036 [22:39:28] <Lady_Aleena> How does this look?
replaced-url
4037 [22:39:37] <jhutchins_wk> Lady_Aleena: Use allow-hotplug if
you will be moving the computer arround and connecting it when
it's already booted, auto if it just comes up at boot.
4038 [22:40:37] <Lady_Aleena> DoberMann, splitting things up into
micro files gives me a headache.
4039 [22:40:53] <zykotick9> DoberMann: what is the advantage of
using interfaces.d/ ?
4040 [22:41:11] <jhutchins_wk> Lady_Aleena: No real need to,
we've done monolithic files for ages.
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4042 [22:41:20] <DoberMann> when you grow old and you want to
manage each file separatly ;)
4043 [22:41:21] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins_wk, huh?
4044 [22:41:23] <n4dir> splitting one block for lo and one for
eth0 doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.
4045 [22:41:24] <jhutchins_wk> .d/ files are meant for packages to
drop configurations into.
4046 [22:41:48] <jhutchins_wk> n4dir: Yeah, but no need for
separate files. Keep it simple.
4047 [22:41:50] <DoberMann> not only package but all
configmanagement
4048 [22:41:56] <somiaj> useful with large configuration files,
but the interfaces file not so much.
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4050 [22:42:07] <zykotick9> somiaj: +1
4051 [22:42:30] <Lady_Aleena> Hold on a moment, you are throwing
too much at me all at once. Let me get some bearings.
4052 [22:42:33] <n4dir> nah, i didn't think of a separate
file (i didn't even heard of the .d directory as of now ... )
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4055 [22:42:56] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: as an admin you have some
choice here, choose what fits your system best. A single file would
be my suggestion.
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4065 [22:44:18] <greycat> I'm almost always a fan of the
simplest solution.
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4067 [22:44:28] <Tachaway> Is there no Rogue (original roguelike
game) packaged in Debian? I'm sure there used to be...
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4069 [22:44:49] <somiaj> Tachaway: nethack
4070 [22:44:49] <tw> is there a mechanic to do goofball things
with interfaces.d files like so:
replaced-url
4071 [22:44:54] <somiaj> Tachaway: though unsure about rogue
4072 [22:44:59] <zykotick9> Lady_Aleena: the advice/example the
DoberMann is sharing, using the interface.d directory, is
non-standard in my opinion... your milage may vary? i just use the
interfaces file and haven't had issues.
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4074 [22:45:20] <Tachaway> aye, I'm aware of nethack but this
system can only manage a 40x21 console so I thought rogue might work
on it
4075 [22:45:27] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: or it doesn't matter
which method you use, they both work and are supported. Choose the
one you like.
4076 [22:45:29] <DoberMann> zykotick9: default in jessie ;)
4077 [22:45:33] <greycat> ,file games/rogue
4078 [22:45:36] <judd> Search for games/rogue in jessie/amd64:
bsdgames-nonfree: usr/games/rogue; games-rogue:
usr/share/blends/tasks/games/rogue
4079 [22:45:59] <Tachaway> yes, that's a package containing
several games, none of which are actual rogue, they're just
later roguelikes
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4081 [22:46:15] <greycat> You can try bsdgames-nonfree and see how
authentic that one is.
4082 [22:46:26] <Tachaway> yes, I think that's where it was
actually, thankyou
4083 [22:46:34] <DoberMann> tw: no idea but not sure this kind of
feature can be of any use
4084 [22:46:46] <zykotick9> DoberMann: for "complex"
setups, i totally see it. for basic ones... not so much.
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4086 [22:47:09] <klys> could get you a slow pc simulator and play
kroz
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4091 [22:49:25] <tw> DoberMann: I was thinking on a usb image with
persistent interface naming configured.
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4093 [22:49:39] <tw> but it's easier to just turn that off
and only cfg eth0
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4096 [22:50:05] <Lady_Aleena> Let's go back to the difference
between allow-hotplug and auto after I get my lip to stop bleeding
from where my cat just bit it.
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4098 [22:50:33] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: auto brings it up at boot,
allow-hotplug brings it up/down when you plug/unplug the network
cable.
4099 [22:51:27] <jhutchins_wk> Cat obviously believes you should
be doing cat, not computer.
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4101 [22:52:04] <Lady_Aleena> So, if I want it brought up at boot
and also when I plug/unplug my network cable, should I use both?
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4104 [22:52:56] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I thought they both could be
used, but jelly seemes to suggest otherwise. I only use auto myself.
4105 [22:52:58] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins_wk, I wish it were that
simple. My cat is a wild animal, not a tame cat at all.
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4108 [22:53:26] <somiaj> i.e. allow-hotplug should only be
triggered with an hotplug event which won't happen at boot, so
you should be able to have both, but I could have a
missunderstanding.
4109 [22:53:27] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins_wk, I swear my cat needs
strong sedatives.
4110 [22:53:45] <JordiGH> What's a quick way to disable X? So
that when the spooks ask me to decrypt my laptop they won't
know what to do at a bash prompt.
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4113 [22:54:14] <jelly> I seem to remember weird things happened
if both were present, but that may just have been
allow-hotplug's own
4114 [22:54:19] <jelly> thing
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4116 [22:54:47] <tomcres> JordiGH, you could uninstall your
display manager
4117 [22:55:02] <somiaj> !tell JordiGH about nodm
4118 [22:55:08] <Lady_Aleena> So here is another attempt before I
put it into the file.
4119 [22:55:09] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
4120 [22:55:10] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: Change the default target
for systemd.
4121 [22:55:14] <somiaj> JordiGH: follow the advice about putting
false in the /etc/... file
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4123 [22:55:36] <JordiGH> Does systemd even do runlevels anymore?
4124 [22:55:47] <greycat> Yes.
4125 [22:56:02] <greycat> They call it something else, of course,
because they have to make it as confusing as possible.
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4127 [22:56:05] <somiaj> JordiGH: it does it's own version of
them, and due to sysv compatability can use runlevels.
4128 [22:56:20] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: They're known as
targets now.
4129 [22:56:20] <tomcres> I miss /etc/inittab
4130 [22:56:22] <JordiGH> I see that greycat loves systemd.
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4132 [22:56:34] <somiaj> not that run levels meant much by default
in debian anyways
4133 [22:56:35] <greycat> It is better than sysvinit. But it
overreaches.
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4136 [22:56:55] <somiaj> greycat: that is where I am at. I like it
as an init system, but it dosen't need to also integrate with
my de
4137 [22:56:57] <JordiGH> Hm, why isn't
/etc/X11/default-display-manager an alternative?
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4139 [22:57:03] <JordiGH> Like, debian-alternatives
4140 [22:57:12] <greycat> there is one of those also
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4144 [22:57:36] <greycat>
replaced-url
4145 [22:57:37] <JordiGH> So I could create a debian-alternative
fake dm that is /usr/bin/false and then use the alternatives to
point to that?
4146 [22:57:38] <somiaj> JordiGH: probabaly due to how display
managers work. It is probably easier to check the contents of a file
as opposed to a link when the init script is run.
4147 [22:57:43] <JordiGH> Because that's so much easier than
writing "false" to a file.
4148 [22:57:54] <jelly> JordiGH: definitely yes
4149 [22:58:05] <greycat> I don't know how
/etc/X11/default-display-manager fits into the picture.
4150 [22:58:13] <somiaj> JordiGH: i.e. all display manager scripts
will run at boot, they just need something to check to see if they
should actually run, or just nicely exit becuse they are not
default.
4151 [22:58:19] <jelly> !nodm
4152 [22:58:19] <dpkg> Debian does not use a specific runlevel for
graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s)
with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm
slim". "echo false
>/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM,
or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a
minimal/automatic display manager (replaced-url
4153 [22:58:25] <n4dir> " They call it something else, of
course, because they have to make it as confusing as possible."
no shitting?
4154 [22:59:42] <n4dir> my guess is that if systemd was nothing
but an init system, a lot of trouble could have been avoided ...
4155 [22:59:54] <jelly> since nodm is a dm and packaged now, that
command line should probably be updated to include removing nodm
4156 [23:00:05] <JordiGH> Ooh, different idea; is it easy to
temporarily remove the LUKS header so it's just impossible to
boot the laptop?
4157 [23:00:31] <qmr> grub-installer is failing with error code 1
... installing in KVM virtual machine. any bright ideas what the
issue might be?
4158 [23:00:31] * zykotick9 uses nodm <- the package... why should it
be removed?
4159 [23:00:36] <greycat> n4dir: systemd calls them
"targets". The default "target" in Debian and
apparently in upstream systemd is called
"graphical.target".
4160 [23:00:38] <JordiGH> Remove LUKS header, back it up to a
server, go through customs, be legitimately unable to decrypt the
thing, reinstall LUKS header once you're past the spooks.
4161 [23:00:39] <jelly> does it have to be temporary
4162 [23:00:44] * JordiGH <-- having cryptonerd fantasies.
4163 [23:00:49] <Lady_Aleena> I don't see anything in this
section stating auto and allow-hotplug shouldn't be used
together.
replaced-url
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4165 [23:01:04] <greycat> n4dir: this arrangement was obviously
made by Red Hat and their old "run level 5 = xdm"
4166 [23:01:20] <greycat> or whatever the hell number it was that
they used by default
4167 [23:01:27] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: they do different things, so
they should both need to be used. so use them both if needed.
4168 [23:01:38] <n4dir> greycat: thanks for the info, but i care
only enough to flame it a bit. My decision was that i don't
want it, and after that i stopped bothering.
4169 [23:01:50] <jelly> JordiGH: because they're not trained
to discern bullshit like "I'm just carrying this laptop
that I cannot possibly use"?
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4171 [23:02:09] <greycat>
replaced-url
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4173 [23:02:12] <JordiGH> jelly: "Company policy limits my
ability to decrypt it."
4174 [23:02:24] <JordiGH> Which is kind of true, except I'm
only limited legally right now.
4175 [23:02:28] <jelly> don't like to cops
4176 [23:02:32] <jelly> lie*
4177 [23:03:38] * zykotick9 notes that nodm (the package) does something
different then simply disable GUI login! it logs users in
automatically - different things!
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4179 [23:05:10] <jelly> judd: whatprovides x-display-manager
--release stretch
4180 [23:05:19] <judd> Package x-display-manager in stretch/amd64
is provided by: gdm3, lightdm, lxdm, nodm, sddm, slim, wdm, xdm.
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4182 [23:05:38] <jelly> zykotick9: the Provides header would not
lie!
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4187 [23:06:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> JordiGH, the fun thing would be
to have a 2nd small system boot up if you enter a 2nd password?
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4189 [23:07:12] <lizzie> I wish LUKS had hidden volumes baked in
the way truecrypt does
4190 [23:07:34] <zykotick9> s/does/did/
4191 [23:08:09] <lizzie> ok, the way truecrypt did, and the way
extant truecrypt forks now do :P
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4194 [23:09:20] <JordiGH> CutMeOwnThroat: Hehe.
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4199 [23:10:09] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, tw, jelly: here is my
current /etc/network/interfaces file: please correct where ever I
may have gone wrong.
replaced-url
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4201 [23:10:45] <Lady_Aleena> DoberMann, jhutchins too ^^
4202 [23:10:53] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: looks fine
4203 [23:11:04] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: not that it matters, but
most list lo first.
4204 [23:11:16] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: I still don't know if
it's a good idea to have both auto and allow-hotplug, but
otherwise you've only done cosmetic changes to the last one I
read
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4206 [23:11:49] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, is lo more critical than
eth0?
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4208 [23:12:40] <Lady_Aleena> Also, will this work without
rebooting?
4209 [23:12:44] <lizzie> anyways my point was, truecrypt's
genius was to support a hidden OS, in a way that's
indistinguishable from normal usage, but also to become the gold
standard FDE for normal users not hiding an OS
4210 [23:12:55] <lizzie> thus, making all the normal users provide
cover for the ones using the hidden OS feature
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4212 [23:13:20] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: it won't work
automatically, reboot is the best way to verify things work
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4215 [23:13:26] <lizzie> if you custom-juryrig a full disk
encryption system with an alternate password, it will be easy to
identify it as such, and the fact that you had to go out of your way
to get that functionality, makes it obvious you're using it
4216 [23:13:26] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: there is absolutely zero
reason for you to touch lo.
4217 [23:13:27] <jelly> or the simples
4218 [23:13:34] <somiaj> jelly: as per the manpage allow-foo can
be all brought up down by a single command, ifup --allow=foo or
ifdown --allow=foo. My understanding is those commands are triggered
by the event of pluging/unpluging the cord.
4219 [23:13:37] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, I did not touch lo.
4220 [23:13:39] <greycat> all kinds of shit will break if you mess
up lo.
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4223 [23:14:08] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: lo should always be
configured, and the order in the interfaces file is not important.
Just lo is usally always put first and left there.
4224 [23:14:14] <zykotick9> jelly: re auto & hotplug, i read
replaced-url
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4227 [23:15:01] <somiaj> and auto is just short and for
allow-auto, which at boot and shutdown, ifup --allow=auto and ifdown
--allow=auto are run
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4231 [23:16:08] <zykotick9> somiaj: ahhh, auto is like start
automatically "start interface <interface_name> upon
start of the system"
4232 [23:16:11] <Lady_Aleena> I am going to reboot. If I am not
back within 15 minutes, you will know something went horribly wrong.
I will be panicking and crying at that point.
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4234 [23:16:31] <Lady_Aleena> But before reboot, must I change the
order?
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4237 [23:16:39] <n4dir> like said: dhclient -v eth0
4238 [23:16:53] <zykotick9> Lady_Aleena: order doesn't
matter! it's cosmetic/history...
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4243 [23:17:22] <Lady_Aleena> zykotick9, okeydokey.
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4245 [23:17:34] <Lady_Aleena> Hopefully I will be back soon.
4246 [23:17:38] <somiaj> zykotick9: up, and one can make their own
custom allow-foo options and manually run ifup/down to act on all
interfaces with the right flag.
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4251 [23:18:17] <somiaj> zykotick9: though outside of boot and
hotplug I haven't seen many used in my limited experience.
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4254 [23:18:48] <jelly> what a baroque way to set up sets of
interfaces
4255 [23:19:20] <jelly> maybe if you have a dozen related vlans or
something
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4262 [23:21:13] <Lady_Aleena> No tears yet.
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4269 [23:24:32] <Lady_Aleena> Pages are loading in my browser.
Check!
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4272 [23:25:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> is that good or bad,
though…
4273 [23:25:19] <Lady_Aleena> CutMeOwnThroat, for me it is good.
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4331 [23:38:54] <Tim_Turtle> anyone savy with setting up a
hauppage pvr-150? i have the ivtv-utills installed and was trying to
get vlc to work..
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4354 [23:42:09] <zykotick9> Tim_Turtle: pvr-150 do you still have
old-school cable? i don't think the pvr-150 supports HD OTA/HD
tuners?!?! good luck. also - never hauppage cards required me to
load firmware... good luck.
4355 [23:42:33] <zykotick9> s/never/newer/
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