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10 [00:02:08] <awal1> so, how can I make NM manage my both wifi
cards (internal one and usb one) but only connect to my home wifi
via one of them when login in X?
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13 [00:03:38] <awal1> not planing to disable one of them, but
have them managed by nm and ready to use; just tell nm "when
user A connects to X, use adapter 1 instead of b)
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21 [00:08:10] <awal1> if fact they are managed both , right now;
nm just gets confused which one to connect when in X
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24 [00:09:04] <petn-randall> dfstorm: you need to log out and in
again for group changes to take effect.
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27 [00:11:14] <awal1> nm usually connects only to internal card
but sometimes it tries to connect to both adapter and it gets lost
which thing results in not connecting at all
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34 [00:12:40] <dfstorm> petn-randall: I rebooted a couple of
time :)
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36 [00:14:13] <awal1> for now I am forced to proceed as follow:
disconnect both adapters, disable then networking(right clic on
nm-applet) and choose the card I want to use. wondering if there is
an elegant/automated way
37 [00:14:26] <awal1> disable then enable ^
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42 [00:16:20] <awal1> in X my usb wifi adapter is detected by nm
but why it is not listed in
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules?
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44 [00:16:40] <awal1> there I just see etho + wlan0
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46 [00:17:26] <mateliveinstall> a friend who has booted up
Debian 9 MATE LIVE is asking me : "Where is the install button
or option"? Can Debian 9.04 be installed on the harddisk from a
MATE Live session?
47 [00:17:55] <awal1> dpkg: live image
48 [00:17:55] <dpkg> awal1: I wish you would RTFM.
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50 [00:18:16] <petn-randall> mateliveinstall: The live images
are not really usable for installatoin. Better use the network
installer for that.
51 [00:18:20] <petn-randall> Or rather:
52 [00:18:25] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
53 [00:18:25] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
replaced-url
54 [00:18:31] <petn-randall> !firmware images
55 [00:18:32] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
56 [00:18:39] <petn-randall> mateliveinstall: These here. ^^^
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58 [00:18:44] <dfstorm> petn-randall: Well... Did exactly the
same thing with an archlinux guest... it work as expected... I tried
again the same thing with a fresh debian stable again... got the
same bug with group then after reboot same write acces problem... It
realy bugs me.
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61 [00:19:18] <mateliveinstall> netinstall if you don't
have internet access?
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63 [00:19:47] <mateliveinstall> He has NO internet acccess at
present
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65 [00:20:05] <awal1> less clue about udev here
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68 [00:22:07] <petn-randall> mateliveinstall: Then he needs the
DVD images.
69 [00:22:17] <mateliveinstall>
replaced-url
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74 [00:23:14] <awal1> I don't understand why my usb wifi
adapter detected as 'wlxc83a35cc0377' by iwconfig is not
listed/detected by /lib/udev/write_net_rules
75 [00:23:32] <petn-randall> awal1: Why should it? It's a
removable device.
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78 [00:24:02] <petn-randall> awal1: persistence only makes sense
with things that are ... persistent.
79 [00:24:25] <petn-randall> Otherwise that file would quickly
get cluttered by all device you've ever connected to it.
80 [00:24:33] <awal1> petn-randall, ok, good point
(persistent-net-generator.rules)
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82 [00:25:06] <petn-randall> mateliveinstall: As I said, it
might work, but the live images get a lot less testing and I
honestly wouldn't know how to install with them.
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86 [00:26:03] <awal1> so if I wanted to make my system detect my
removal media (usb wifi adapter 'wlxc83a35cc0377') what I
am supposed to be looking for?
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88 [00:26:20] <awal1> detect my removable media since boot
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91 [00:27:43] <petn-randall> awal1: It does that without
interaction. If the drivers exist, they'll be automatically
loaded.
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101 [00:29:35] <awal1> petn-randall, I am just confused. the wifi
usb is detected and works thanks to
'firmware-misc-nonfree', ralink stuff, but it is not on
until I am in X and after reloading nm
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107 [00:31:02] <awal1> when I log in X I see my wifi adapter
listed by nm-applet but usually disconnected; I have to right clic
in nm-applet icon, disable networking and enable again, for be able
to use it
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109 [00:31:40] <awal1> to use the usb wifi adapter ^
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122 [00:38:02] <petn-randall> awal1: I'd check the logs why
that is.
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145 [00:47:31] <awal1> petn-randall, I already checked dmesg and
journalctl and found a lot of line referring to my usb
wlxc83a35cc0377 but no errors. I will check again later quietly
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260 [01:48:00] <jim> anonnumberanon, maybe nothing came out
stdout and it all came out stderr... try putting a
"2>&1" before the |
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263 [01:48:48] <friend_to_pandas> if I uninstall
xserver-xorg-video-intel, when will the backup modesetting driver
kick in? do I need to reboot?
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298 [02:16:27] <friend_to_pandas> On my laptop's Windows 10
partition, I can connect to external monitors through the HDMI and
VGA ports -- even both at the same time -- but on Debian 9.3, only
the VGA works: xrandr does not even show an HDMI port option.
299 [02:16:37] <friend_to_pandas> HDMI is mentioned twice in
.local/share/Xorg.0.log: "[ 16.981] (II) NOUVEAU(G0): Output
HDMI-1-1 has no monitor section" "17.129] (II)
NOUVEAU(G0): EDID for output HDMI-1-1"
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305 [02:23:59] <klys> friend_to_pandas, do you have an
/etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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309 [02:27:41] <friend_to_pandas> klys: No. find returns
./usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.gz
./usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.d.5.gz ./usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
./usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel/xorg.conf
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406 [03:29:29] <christer> PLEASE help me, I am getting perl error
warning: perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale
("C").
407 [03:29:29] <christer> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
408 [03:29:29] <christer> perl: warning: Please check that your
locale settings:
409 [03:29:29] <christer> LANGUAGE = "en_US",
410 [03:29:29] <christer> LC_ALL = (unset),
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418 [03:32:21] <toruvinn> sigh. that's not even an error
419 [03:32:43] <toruvinn> and he /quit anyway. argh.
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422 [03:33:27] <toruvinn> to ops, perhaps making debhelper kick
with "dont paste in the channel, use a paste site (/msg dpkg
paste)" would be better?
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447 [03:44:39] <zzing> If I am using a root partition that has
been setup with luks (password, no key file) do I have to add hooks
for update-initramfs to catch for it to mount it at boot?
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522 [04:51:15] <K_> Hello
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525 [04:51:28] <K_> Is there a channel where I can discuss
privacy concerns with Debian?
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530 [04:53:11] <awal1> K_, be more explicit
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538 [04:55:27] <K_> awal1 I found an old discussion about Debian
using Google DNS as a fallback when regular DNS fails or none is
configured (configuration removed) here:
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539 [04:55:28] <judd> Bug
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545 [05:03:02] <K_> Where could I discuss this issue please?
I'm curious if the Google DNS fallback is still being used in
Debian
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548 [05:06:34] <awal1> just here i guess
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553 [05:12:24] <K_> So could anyone comment on that please?
554 [05:12:47] <K_> Did anything change since that discussion of
a bug report ?
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556 [05:14:30] <deego> Where do I find a previous version of a
package from jessie or stretch-backports?
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626 [06:15:14] <solrize> what is an NMU?
627 [06:15:30] <solrize> oh nonmaintainer upload
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818 [08:30:18] <dionysus69> ok I need support on accounting for
ram
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824 [08:31:31] <dionysus69> I can only see 5 gb of ram occupied
in the system monitor
825 [08:31:52] <dionysus69> but in reality I have 8.2 including
swap occupied
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827 [08:32:05] <dionysus69> is there a tool that will account for
Every piece of ram occupied?
828 [08:33:11] <tvm> dionysus69, free -m should give you enough
information
829 [08:33:34] <dionysus69> that just gives me free and used
space
830 [08:33:38] <dionysus69> I know that myself
831 [08:34:01] <dionysus69> what I meant was that 3.2 gb of ram
is unaccounted for, I dont know which pieces of software use it
832 [08:34:52] <Haohmaru> could it be a videocard?
833 [08:34:56] <tvm> as in, you are "missing" the ram ?
834 [08:35:14] <tvm> 3.2GB is quite a lot for gfx
835 [08:35:26] <dionysus69> video memory is only 500mb
that's max that could be allocated from uefi settings
836 [08:35:50] <dionysus69> maybe there are some services like
postgresql and stuff but they wont be using much in total
837 [08:36:02] <FinalX>
replaced-url
838 [08:36:10] <dionysus69> haha
839 [08:36:16] <dionysus69> :D
840 [08:36:33] <FinalX> it's an actual website, explaining
caching by the OS :P
841 [08:36:36] <dionysus69> I know what the caching is about
842 [08:36:53] <dionysus69> I am not talking about cached memory
but the actually used memory :)
843 [08:37:02] <FinalX> ok
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845 [08:37:13] <tvm> dionysus69, it's still not clear what
is wrong
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847 [08:37:26] <tvm> is the ram missing from the
"total" shown by free ?
848 [08:37:35] <FinalX> .. I was just about to ask that :p
849 [08:38:27] <babilen> Maybe some output/data on a pastebin
might help?
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852 [08:41:31] <dionysus69> there is 8 gb of occupied ram in
total
853 [08:41:47] <dionysus69> but I can only see 5gb of them are
used by programs
854 [08:42:03] <babilen> By looking at the RAM chips?
855 [08:42:05] <dionysus69> ok fine, 500 for video, 500 for some
linux services what about the rest 2?
856 [08:42:19] <dionysus69> no, by looking at the system monitor
857 [08:42:24] <babilen> Which system monitor?
858 [08:42:30] <dionysus69> gnome system monitor
859 [08:42:31] <dionysus69> or htop
860 [08:42:33] <dionysus69> doesn't matter
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862 [08:42:49] <babilen> And could you share some of that
information? The aforementioned "free -m" output might
come in handy
863 [08:42:50] <Azathoth> please paste the output of the command
"free" (type it in your terminal) here
864 [08:43:14] <dionysus69> total used free shared buff/cache
available
865 [08:43:14] <dionysus69> Mem: 7880 5949 309 753 1621 909
866 [08:43:14] <dionysus69> Swap: 4095 1532 2563
867 [08:43:48] <dionysus69> top row should be 1 column to the
right
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871 [08:44:33] <babilen>
replaced-url
872 [08:44:33] <Azathoth> nothing wrong that I can see here
873 [08:44:40] <dionysus69> xD
874 [08:45:00] <babilen> Also: Please explain in your own words
what your (perceived) problem is
875 [08:45:06] <Azathoth> you've got 8G of RAM and 300G are
still free, everything else is either used by processes or by disk
caches
876 [08:45:06] <babilen> s/your/the ;)
877 [08:45:23] <tvm> looks just fine
878 [08:45:28] <dionysus69> as you can yourself see there's
about 7.5 gb of ram used
879 [08:45:30] <FinalX> 1.5GB of swap used, ouch
880 [08:45:43] <dionysus69> but I can only see 5gb worth of
programs
881 [08:45:50] <dionysus69> what's using the rest of 2.5gb?
882 [08:46:05] <FinalX> 2.5gb is what's left free in your
swap.
883 [08:46:10] <jelly> value of swap used is not important
(unless full); active use of swap is more important
884 [08:46:12] <dionysus69> linux services + video, should be
~1gb
885 [08:47:14] <FinalX> if I'm not mistaken, RAM assigned to
video cards is usually taken out of the entire picture already and
not showing up in 'free'
886 [08:47:31] <dionysus69> even worse
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890 [08:48:02] <jelly> debian kernel's default sysctl
vm.swappiness of 60 is aggressive and leads to idle pages being put
on swap at the expense of VFS (cache+buffers)
891 [08:48:06] <dionysus69> but gnome shows it's using about
200mb
892 [08:48:14] <dionysus69> something tells me it's much
more than that
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894 [08:48:50] <FinalX> But it shows clearly that you're
using 5.9 GB of your RAM and 1.5 GB of your swap even. You have 300
MB RAM free, 2.5 GB swap free, 750MB RAM used for shared memory, and
1.6 GB RAM used for caching. Of all that, your applications can use
up to 900 MB more RAM before running out of it.
895 [08:49:02] <jelly> dionysus69, there's 6GB worth of
programs, 1.6 cache and 300 free. Where do you see only 5GB?
896 [08:49:03] <FinalX> I always use "htop" to see
what's eating my RAM/CPU.
897 [08:49:28] <dionysus69> there's a list of programs in
system monitor right?
898 [08:49:31] <FinalX> (I'd be worried about the amount of
swap used, actually)
899 [08:49:34] <dionysus69> and they show how much ram they use
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901 [08:49:40] <dionysus69> i just summed it up, that's 5gb
902 [08:49:58] <dionysus69> I usually turn off swap and turn it
back on if I want to empty it
903 [08:49:59] <jelly> dionysus69, is that just RSS value or is
SHR added to that?
904 [08:50:10] <dionysus69> dunno what those are xD
905 [08:50:17] <jelly> what this system monitor shows
906 [08:50:44] <dionysus69> dunno, it just shows memory
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908 [08:50:47] <dionysus69> no rss or shr
909 [08:50:49] <babilen> If you refer to data you draw
conclusions from, you might want to share that data also
910 [08:51:02] <jelly> dionysus69, processes use part of memory
for each own, and part of memory is used but shared among more than
one process
911 [08:51:17] <dionysus69> hmm
912 [08:51:25] <jelly> dionysus69, if you do not know what your
tool actually shows it's hard to draw any conclusion
913 [08:51:42] <jelly> you can use "top" as a starting
point
914 [08:52:02] <FinalX> or htop, which is much clearer/easier to
use imo
915 [08:52:08] <jelly> it shows RES and SHR columns by default
916 [08:52:28] <dionysus69> hmm ok let me look at htop
917 [08:52:41] <jelly> htop requires 2-3 keys to sort by RES, top
just one
918 [08:52:59] <Azathoth> but that's a good point, I should
lower swappiness on my newly installed laptop. it always has > 2G
memory free, so there really shouldn't be anything in my swap
(currently 928M)
919 [08:53:01] <jelly> but some people like colors
920 [08:53:16] <dionysus69> RES says 804 M for thunderbird for
example
921 [08:53:20] <dionysus69> and 60340 for SHR
922 [08:53:22] <dionysus69> whats that?
923 [08:53:33] <jelly> Azathoth, it won't necessarily
improve performance
924 [08:53:42] <Azathoth> I know
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926 [08:53:55] <Azathoth> it just makes me feel warm and fuzzy
inside :)
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929 [08:54:15] <dionysus69> that's happening because ram got
full, swap got used, and then part of ram got full, it doesn't
automatically rewrite swap into ram
930 [08:54:56] <jelly> dionysus69, Debian Linux kernel writes
pages out to swap _before_ it's anywhere close to full
931 [08:55:08] <jelly> !swappiness
932 [08:55:08] <dpkg> A number of Linux kernel developers debated
"swappiness" - exploring when an application should or
should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache.
replaced-url
933 [08:55:33] <jelly> this can be tuned
934 [08:57:00] <dionysus69> i just need more memory I guess
935 [08:57:12] <dionysus69> how much would I save if I switched
to let's say, xfce?
936 [08:57:22] <jelly> try it and see
937 [08:57:37] <dionysus69> if I try it I would have to spend
days setting up similar env
938 [08:57:42] <jelly> yes
939 [08:57:53] <FinalX> I somehow doubt gnome is taking more than
your thunderbird, tbh
940 [08:58:02] <jelly> because if you don't set up similar
env you won't actually know how much it would use
941 [08:58:04] <dionysus69> and I dont want to replace gnome, I
have it pretty customized so I will lose lots of work
942 [08:58:40] <Azathoth> is your system slow? do you actually
have any negative impacts?
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944 [08:58:52] <dionysus69> ye it gets slow when ram gets full
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946 [08:59:02] <dionysus69> goes to swap I guess
947 [08:59:05] <FinalX> ...considering 1.5GB in swap, I'd
say yes
948 [08:59:18] <jelly> and again, not necessarily
949 [08:59:19] <dionysus69> I am a web developer so I have lots
of stuff running and 8gb just doesnt seem enough
950 [08:59:32] <babilen> Get more RAM then
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952 [08:59:44] <dionysus69> I switched back from atom to sublime,
but that just gave me about half a gb of ram
953 [08:59:44] <jelly> web browsers with lots of tabs eat by far
most RAM these days
954 [08:59:49] <FinalX> jelly: not necessarily, but 1.5GB is
quite a lot, that's a lot of application data to begin with
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957 [09:00:17] <FinalX> points to a bigger problem imo
958 [09:00:30] <jelly> FinalX, the amount absolutely does not
matter. We don't know how much it took to get to this point
959 [09:00:44] <jelly> how much time*
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961 [09:00:50] <FinalX> yeah, fair enough
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963 [09:00:55] <dionysus69> half a day aprox
964 [09:01:11] <dionysus69> if I work intensively it goes to this
point in 1-2 hours
965 [09:01:46] <jelly> dionysus69, run something like
"vmstat 1" in a terminal, and see if you have active
(nonzero) so and si columns when the system starts to feel sluggish
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968 [09:02:21] <jelly> active swapping is a useful symptom, much
more than just a single data point
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971 [09:03:01] <jelly> or set up resource monitoring and graphing
over time, with something like monit
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976 [09:05:42] <jelly> dionysus69, you can also preemptively
lower vm.swappiness to 10 or 1 and reboot to get a clean slate, if
you still get similar swap usage in 1-2 hours, then yeah
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979 [09:06:56] <jelly> put sysctl tuning in eg.
/etc/sysctl.d/local.conf instead of the global file to avoid
questions on future release upgrades
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981 [09:07:41] <dionysus69> ok thanks :)
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997 [09:16:53] <ix__> hello, I'm having a problem with
tethering from my smartphone, it used to work just fine, now it
refuses to connect
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1005 [09:21:24] <jelly> ix__, what kind of tethering? Can your
phone act as wifi hotspot?
1006 [09:22:18] <ix__> jelly usb tethering, it works fine on
lubuntu, I have a live usb
1007 [09:22:38] <Azathoth> what kind of phone?
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1011 [09:23:55] <ix__> Azathoth, it does not matter, I've
tried 2 smartphones, same problem, Debian is the problem, don't
know why
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1013 [09:24:12] <Azathoth> ok, then at least tell us what kind of
OS the phone is running
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1015 [09:24:24] <Azathoth> that_could_ be important
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1019 [09:25:12] <ix__> Azathoth, Lineageos and resurrection remix,
they worked fine yesterday, they work fine with Lubuntu
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1021 [09:25:24] <jelly> so, android
1022 [09:25:31] <Azathoth> ok, both tell me nothing
1023 [09:25:33] <Azathoth> ah, android ok
1024 [09:25:58] <jelly> ix__, and you can't use wifi hotspot
as a workaround?
1025 [09:26:39] <ix__> jelly, I imagine that I can, though
I've blacklisted the wifi because I don't need it
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1027 [09:28:06] <jelly> ix__, so try that first. If you still want
to investigate usb, look at the output of "ip l" or
"ip link show" before and after plugging in a phone in usb
tether mode.
1028 [09:28:37] <jelly> a new interface is supposed to appear
1029 [09:28:43] <ix__> it shows up in the interfaces
1030 [09:29:20] <jelly> ix__, good, is the link up? Can you run
dhclient on it manually to get an IP?
1031 [09:29:49] <ix__> it does not give me an ip address
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1034 [09:30:19] <jelly> ix__, when you run "dhclient
name-of-iface" as root manually?
1035 [09:30:35] <ix__> yeah, no ip address
1036 [09:30:41] <jelly> what's the output?
1037 [09:30:44] <jelly> !paste
1038 [09:30:44] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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1042 [09:31:26] <ix__> it outputs nothing at all, wicd tells me no
ip address
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1046 [09:31:54] <jelly> what's the exit status of dhclient
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1050 [09:32:25] <jelly> "echo $?" right after the
dhclient command
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1054 [09:33:32] <ix__> it tells me nothing at all, even with echo
$
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1057 [09:33:42] <jelly> "echo $?"
1058 [09:33:50] <jelly> not just $
1059 [09:33:55] <ix__> oh, sorry
1060 [09:34:18] <jelly> if you add -v it's supposed to log to
syslog
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1062 [09:34:29] <jelly> (so /var/log/daemon.log probably)
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1068 [09:35:43] <ix__> ok, can't allocate interface enp0s29u1
lease
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1077 [09:39:01] <Azathoth>
replaced-url
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1079 [09:39:35] <Azathoth> there may be a faulty lease file in
/var/lib/dhcp/ somewhere
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1096 [09:46:09] <Azathoth> well there he goes
1097 [09:46:28] <ix__> Azathoth, it worked, yay :)
1098 [09:46:40] <Azathoth> nice!
1099 [09:46:54] <ix__> thank you
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1106 [09:49:28] <Azathoth> I just plugged your error message into
the google search field ;)
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1108 [09:49:36] <Azathoth> so let that be a lesson for you, tech
support 101
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1111 [09:50:37] <ix__> Azathoth, yeah, well, I didn't know
the error message, because there was none
1112 [09:50:47] <ix__> none that I could see, anyway
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1165 [10:23:04] <anonymip> Where do you find information about the
software notification on the lock screen?
replaced-url
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1169 [10:24:01] <Azathoth> it's probably notification-daemon
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1173 [10:27:04] <anonymip> ok, the notification is there everytime
I the computer locks, so it would be nice if there was a wayto
acknowledge it to make it go away?
1174 [10:27:28] <Azathoth> maybe install the update?
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1176 [10:28:04] <anonymip> what update, where do I find what the
notification is about?
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1183 [10:28:38] <anonymip> when I open Software I don't see
anything needing update
1184 [10:29:00] <Azathoth> if you use gnome just open
gnome-software and go to the update tab (the one on the right if I
remember correctly)
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1187 [10:29:21] <Azathoth> or use "apt update && apt
list --upgradeable" in a terminal (as root)
1188 [10:30:02] <ald3baran> hi all
1189 [10:30:54] <anonymip> Ok, but it says "Software new
notification" Doens't that mean I should go to Softare to
look for the notification?
1190 [10:31:47] <Azathoth> isn't that what I just told you to
do?
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1192 [10:33:29] <anonymip> and when I go to Software and klick on
the Updates tab it says "Software is up to date"
replaced-url
1193 [10:34:14] <ald3baran> I'm trying to change the bit
depth to 16 on Debian Stretch + Gnome. I ran ```X -configure``` and
then moved the generated xorg.conf file to /etc/X11. I then added
```DefaultDepth 16``` to the Section "Screen" and I get a
weird result (reduced screen with everything in purple). Anyone
knows how I could proceed?
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1197 [10:41:59] <babilen> ald3baran: You really don't need a
complete xorg.conf these days. It typically is a better idea to
create minimal configuration files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
1198 [10:42:11] <babilen> dpkg: xorg.conf.d
1199 [10:42:11] <dpkg> xorg can use files ending in the suffix
.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is
preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g.
20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to
configure a single device. You might have to create the directory
yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5
xorg.conf".
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1203 [10:45:38] <ald3baran> thanks babilen for the help:) I
created a 99screen.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d (following this:
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1205 [10:46:48] <babilen> Might want to look into the exact error
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1229 [11:06:27] <ald3baran> babilen: this?
replaced-url
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1232 [11:07:08] <babilen> "(EE) qxl(0): Depth 16 is not
supported" -- there you go
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1235 [11:09:16] <ald3baran> This is in a VM that runs over
qemu-kvm with spice-vdagent installed. do you think uninstalling
spice-vdagent might solve the problem?
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1237 [11:09:33] <babilen> No idea
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1242 [11:13:58] <ald3baran> do you have an explanation on why I
get a different behavior with an xorg.conf in /etc/X11 ? (this one:
replaced-url
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1252 [11:20:36] <hexhaxtron> How can I know who is using the GPU
the most?
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1278 [11:38:38] <anonymip> is it possible to add screen
resolutions, I don't have any 1920x1080 available
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1281 [11:39:28] <petn-randall> anonymip: If you graphics card or
monitor doesn't support that, there wouldn't be much gain
doing that.
1282 [11:39:39] <petn-randall> anonymip: What problem are you
trying to solve?
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1284 [11:40:19] <anonymip> I run Debian under ESXi, and my monitor
uses 1920x1080
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1288 [11:41:27] <anonymip> the closest I got is 1920x1200, but
then the desktop is larger than the screen which is a bit annoying
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1290 [11:42:25] <tdn> What is an easy way to stream my music
(MP3s) from my Linux server to my mobile phone (iPhone) via the
internet? A WebDAV server or something else? Is anything in the
Debian repos that will allow me to do this easily?
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1294 [11:42:58] <petn-randall> !mpd
1295 [11:42:58] <dpkg> Music Player Daemon (mpd) is a server
allowing remote access for audio file/stream playback and playlist
management. Prior to version 0.17-1, Debian's mpd package did
not use <dmix> by default (Debian bug #568588).
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1297 [11:43:23] <alkisg> anonymip: cvt 1920 1080 => gives you
the mode, which you then use with xrandr --newmode, xrandr
--addmode, xrandr --mode
1298 [11:43:24] <petn-randall> tdn: ^^^ You could try that, but
your phone will probably be the limiting factor.
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1300 [11:44:04] <petn-randall> anonymip: I'd try fixing is in
ESXi, it's passing the wrong monitor resolutions to the VM.
1301 [11:44:10] <petn-randall> s/is/it/
1302 [11:44:36] <tdn> petn-randall, I have used mpd in the past,
but isnt this only for local network? And also, isnt this actually
for playing the music ON the server and then controlling it from
remote? I want to store the music on the linux server and PLAY the
music on the mobile device. I figure this is something that should
be possible to do fairly easy with an HTML5 page
1303 [11:45:22] <tdn> FYI:
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1304 [11:46:21] <anonymip> petn-randall, any ideas where to find
screen resolution setting in ESXi, I use web client.
1305 [11:46:40] <alkisg> Try changing the virtual graphics card
emulation
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1308 [11:48:05] <petn-randall> tdn: Oh right, I was thinking of
the wrong tool. I'd find a app on your phone that can play
music remotely, and try to find the daemon for it in Debian.
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1311 [11:48:29] <petn-randall> tdn: There are many daemons that
can stream music, but probably only a few apps that support certain
standards.
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1314 [11:49:31] <tdn> petn-randall, yeah, I figure if there isnt a
set standard protocol for this, the apps will probably be limiting.
But then again, an app should not be required as an HTML5 webpage
should be able to play music just fine on a phone. This is done on
stuff like soundcloud, youtube, etc. all the time.
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1316 [11:50:06] <tdn> Also, back in the WinAmp days, I think there
was some kind of open web radio protocol for streaming. Shoutcast,
maybe?
1317 [11:50:23] <tdn> Maybe it wasnt open...
1318 [11:50:43] <petn-randall> tdn: Yeah, but there you can't
control the music, so I guess it depends on the details.
1319 [11:51:17] <tdn> petn-randall, oh, yeah, I see. Controlling
what I hear would be nice ;)
1320 [11:51:20] <Ticho> I think I still have my MPD configuration
for streaming music intact somewhere
1321 [11:51:37] <tdn> Ticho, I would be very interested in hearing
how to did
1322 [11:51:39] <Ticho> but probably not the icecast part anymore
1323 [11:52:03] <tdn> Ticho, icecast! That was it.
1324 [11:52:11] <Ticho> you basically install MPD and Icecast, and
configure MPD to forward the audio stream to Icecast, which in turn
provides the actual http stream
1325 [11:52:17] <Ticho> plus some pretty web frontend
1326 [11:52:57] <tdn> Ticho, nice.
1327 [11:53:00] <Ticho> I used it years ago to listen to music
streamed from home over a personal vpn
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1330 [11:53:53] <tdn> Is it safe to run icecast/mpd on the
internet?
1331 [11:54:51] <Ticho> you should protect the MPD control port,
ideally localhost-only, or even use a unix socket instead of tcp
port
1332 [11:55:15] <tdn> Ticho, but icecast is secure?
1333 [11:55:19] <Ticho> and it is up to you how you expose the
icecast stream - if you don't mind other people listening in
(and using the bandwidth), it's harmless to have it exposed
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1336 [11:55:38] <tdn> Ticho, I dont mind that
1337 [11:55:40] <Ticho> it's just a one-way http stream, no
GET/POST/whatever HTTP interface
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1339 [11:56:37] <tdn> Ticho, is iceast just apt-get install to set
up? Or does it take time to configure?
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1342 [11:57:09] <Ticho> you have to configure icecast to accept
the stream from mpd, I don't recall very well how it was done,
and I no longer have the configuration
1343 [11:57:26] <Ticho> I vaguely remember it was in XML format,
and not very complicated
1344 [11:57:33] <tdn> Ticho, ok
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1346 [11:59:59] <Ticho> this should help you for configuring the
MPD side:
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1349 [12:00:17] <Ticho> it's done via the "shout"
output plugin
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1351 [12:00:37] <Ticho> I still use MPD to this day, but only for
simple playback via ALSA
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1504 [13:22:26] <anonymip> if anyone else having similar issues
with screesn resolution as I hav with the combination of ESXI and
debian, this helped me:
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1512 [13:24:33] <Kev-> I'm running debian 9.3, what's
the best way to add an additional ip address to an interface?
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1514 [13:24:55] <SirLagz> Kev-: with the ip command?
1515 [13:25:29] <Kev-> I guess? I want it to be persistent
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1517 [13:25:41] <SirLagz> Kev-: why? What are you trying to do?
1518 [13:25:44] <JustASlacker> Kev-:
replaced-url
1519 [13:26:09] <Kev-> I just want two ip addresses on my virtual
machine, one assigned by dhcp and one permanent
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1521 [13:26:26] <Kev-> ifconfig is deprecated (or removed?) on 9.3
JustASlacker
1522 [13:26:41] <Kev-> These instructions are apparently not valid
anymore
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1525 [13:26:54] <SirLagz> Kev-: yes...but why do you want 2 ip
addresses?
1526 [13:26:58] <JustASlacker> well, use the ip section directly
beneath
1527 [13:28:40] <Kev-> SirLagz: Because I'm fiddling with
different subnets
1528 [13:28:53] <SirLagz> Kev-: I see.
1529 [13:29:48] <SirLagz> Kev-: well, the post that JustASlacker
pasted seems to answer you question.
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1532 [13:30:50] <JustASlacker> and ifconfig has been deprecated
for ages now
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1540 [13:34:34] <Azathoth> I'd use network manager if you
want to persist it (nmcli or nmtui)
1541 [13:34:54] <Azathoth> on my system /etc/network/interfaces
isn't really used anymore
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1543 [13:35:06] <JustASlacker> which system is that?
1544 [13:35:14] <JustASlacker> It sure is used on debian
1545 [13:35:37] <Azathoth> the system I am writing this on at the
moment (Dell Laptop with Debian stable)
1546 [13:36:10] <Azathoth> the file only has auto definitions for
loopback, but my system knows about wifi, mobile moden and lan
connections
1547 [13:36:28] <Azathoth> modem*
1548 [13:36:38] <SirLagz> anyone played with kernel backports +
nvidia driver backports? I tried to install kernel 4.13 and nvidia
drivers but it didn't seem to build the module after I
installed 4.13 and then installed the nvidia drivers package
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1551 [13:39:32] <SirLagz> Azathoth: doesn't mean
/etc/network/interfaces isn't used
1552 [13:40:22] <Azathoth> it sure is still "read", but
it is not "used" on this (desktop) system. on servers it
certainly still is my goto way of configuring network settings.
1553 [13:40:56] <Azathoth> debian stable uses gnome as standard
which (I presume) uses NetworkManager to do all network related
things
1554 [13:41:24] <SirLagz> I wouldn't say Debian Stable has a
'standard' desktop. It asks you which to use at install
time
1555 [13:41:38] <Azathoth> ok, that's true
1556 [13:42:09] <Azathoth> I don't use Gnome, that was just
an assumption, but of course you're free to use from a range of
options at install time
1557 [13:42:30] <Azathoth> *choose
1558 [13:42:38] <Azathoth> man, I can't write anymore today
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1561 [13:43:55] <SirLagz> I don't use Gnome either. I'm
an XFCE guy, but normally I don't choose to install a desktop
environment at all
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1563 [13:44:27] <SirLagz> installing a DE during install ends up
wtih a whole bunch of other crap on there too
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1567 [13:45:56] <anonnumberanon> Right now it's my only
option to use Xubuntu to make my laptop vga port output to an
external screen. I'd rather keep doing Debian and Xfce but it
sucks.
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1575 [13:52:00] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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1577 [13:53:08] <tobiasBora> I don't know why, but I
can't have access to the login web page of a wifi hotspot
1578 [13:53:25] <tobiasBora> while I'm connected on the wifi
hotspot
1579 [13:53:51] <rant> tobiasBora: are you able to browse the web?
1580 [13:53:52] <tobiasBora> I tried to connect to some http
website, without any succets
1581 [13:54:00] <tobiasBora> rant: no
1582 [13:54:13] <SirLagz> tobiasBora: does it work on a windows
machine?
1583 [13:54:48] <tobiasBora> rant: on my mobile phone before
browsing the web I need to click on the top notification "login
in the hotspot"
1584 [13:55:13] <tobiasBora> SirLagz: it works on my android
phone, and on my friend's windows machine
1585 [13:55:49] <SirLagz> tobiasBora: when you go to the
'login on the hotspot' page, have you tried navigating to
that address on your computer?
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1590 [13:56:53] <rant> on mine once you're logged in, it goes
by MAC ID and no longer asks you to login once you're
registered.. I've just done the register on another machine and
cloned the mac ID of that machine when i had issues before
1591 [13:57:09] <tobiasBora> SirLagz: yes, but without success
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1594 [13:57:37] <rant> if you are unable to get to ANYTHING even
manually you probably have dhcp/dns issues
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1596 [13:57:47] <tobiasBora> rant: I tried it, but no idea why
eeven with faking my mobile MAC it's still not working
1597 [13:58:26] <tobiasBora> rant: the dns are not supposed to be
configured during the dhcp request?
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1599 [13:58:54] <tobiasBora> rant: and I can't ping 8.8.8.8
when I fake the mobile mac
1600 [13:59:02] <rant> yes which is why I said dhcp/dns because
you may not have gotten the right dns from the dhcp
1601 [13:59:18] <rant> the dns on such a system should redirect
you to a login until your authenticated
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1603 [13:59:47] <rant> I'd check the lease/route info and try
basic network diagnostic, pinging the gateway, etc
1604 [13:59:49] <tobiasBora> rant: hum maybe… How can I try
to set up this manually?
1605 [14:00:02] <tobiasBora> rant: I can ping the gatewax
1606 [14:00:20] <rant> setting things like this up manually can be
real problematic as these hotspots often have very odd and rather
dynamic configuration
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1612 [14:02:44] <rant> i.e. I'm currently on 10.226.250.x
block with a netmask of 255.224.0.0 and the gateway is 10.224.0.1..
and it also uses AP isolation
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1620 [14:05:00] <b-04> hi friends, can someone answer a question
about wpad?
1621 [14:05:08] <rant> tobiasBora: note when cloning a MAC you
have to take the other device off the network or it'd cause a
MAC collision and that usually results in the gateway talking to
neither of them
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1624 [14:06:22] <rant> b-04: maybe if you ask the question,
otherwise, probably not. I for one dont know what you mean by wpad
1625 [14:06:34] <b-04> I need to exclude the 192.168.40.0/24 proxy
network, so if someone connects from that network with "proxy
autodetection" the wpad does not send the proxy.
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1637 [14:12:44] <rant> b-04:
replaced-url
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1648 [14:18:20] <rant> if not, you probably need to be more
specific because it seems to me you may be trying to do something
with the wrong tool... wpad seems to just be a proxy that assigns
proxy info based on the URL requested.. if you wanna do something
based on the requester's IP then you probably want to use
iptables/netfilter type solution to just block access to wpad or
something like that *shrug*
1649 [14:18:22] <notsafe> hi how do i setup a loopback audio
1650 [14:18:52] <rant> a loopback audio? you probably want jack
1651 [14:19:18] <rant> !jack
1652 [14:19:19] <dpkg> [jack] a colloquialism for a person who
doesn't care about anything, or a CD ripping front-end
(packaged as jack,
replaced-url
1653 [14:19:47] <notsafe> hmm
1654 [14:20:00] <notsafe> i want something virtual i dont wanna
mess with input devices
1655 [14:20:16] <notsafe> like loopback sound out and sink it to
input
1656 [14:21:05] <rant> ah.. pulseaudio can handle that
1657 [14:21:41] <rant>
replaced-url
1658 [14:22:06] <rant> basically you're just selecting your
output/monitor/pcm as your recording device
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1660 [14:22:47] <rant> jack is a bit overkill unless you really
wanna be able to dynamically route audio through more complex layers
1661 [14:22:56] <notsafe> rant
1662 [14:23:07] <notsafe> hmm lemme see i did that already
1663 [14:23:09] <notsafe> now
1664 [14:23:47] <notsafe> when i run my app which uses both in and
out
1665 [14:23:55] <notsafe> it
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1667 [14:24:06] <notsafe> wont register as a recording app
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1670 [14:25:44] <wrksx_> Is rsync always using ssh ?
1671 [14:25:57] <rant> it may be that it is specifically using an
output plugin like alsa that is getting around pulse.. if an app
doesnt support pulseaudio the typical and usually I'd think
default setup is for alsa to point to pulse as its default
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1677 [14:27:50] <dbf> wrksx_ : not really
1678 [14:28:03] <rant> wrksx_: no.. it uses rsh/rsyncd but
typically this is not setup and ssh is what most pepole use as a
transport
1679 [14:28:07] <b-04> rant: is a good idea
1680 [14:28:22] <b-04> block the access from 192.168.40.0/24 to
proxy file
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1682 [14:28:37] <wrksx_> is there anyway to make sure it'll
use ssh ?
1683 [14:28:44] <dbf> for local intranet backups i use it without
ssh
1684 [14:28:46] <alkisg> wrksx_: man rsync ==> --daemon option
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1688 [14:29:35] <wrksx_> Actually if the server is only accessible
using ssh I suppose there's no other choice as you said rant
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1692 [14:31:52] <rant> wrksx_: "You can also specify any
remote shell you like, either by using the -e command line option,
or by setting the RSYNC_RSH environment variable."
1693 [14:32:06] <notsafe> rant can you help
1694 [14:32:23] <rant> wrksx_: if you look carefully "which
rsh" /usr/bin/rsh points to /etc/alternatives/rsh which points
to ssh
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1696 [14:32:46] <rant> and rsh is the default it uses, which in
most systems is not actually available but points to ssh
1697 [14:32:52] <wrksx_> which: no rsh
1698 [14:33:00] <wrksx_> I'm on cygwin right now =)
1699 [14:33:08] <wrksx_> but connecting to debian server
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1704 [14:33:53] <wrksx_> thanks for the explanation rant
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1708 [14:34:45] <notsafe> wame?
1709 [14:36:01] <rant> notsafe: on my machine Stretch w/ MATE I
see the speaker icon in my notification area, I right click, goto
Sound Preferences > [Input] tab there is a box at the bottom says
Choose device for sound input: and "Monitor of Built-in analog
stereo" is available
1710 [14:36:14] <jelly> wrksx_: rsync uses ssh if available.
1711 [14:36:19] <rant> this is all using pulseaudio and not on a
per-app basis
1712 [14:36:24] <jelly> no need for -e
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1716 [14:38:28] <rant> most all sound hardware has this
"monitor" interface either in HW or their driver to allow
for recording directly from the standard PCM output
1717 [14:38:33] <wrksx_> jelly, alright, from my understanding -e
would be used to force ssh if rsh is available or some like that ?
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1726 [14:39:46] <rant> more like you'd have to specifically
tell it not to, like if you wanted to use mosh or something
1727 [14:41:52] <rant> but as I said, this convention is
controlled by "rsh" and the fact that on debian anyhow,
rsh is non-existant and points via alternatives to ssh by default
1728 [14:42:12] <rant> if there were some alternative on another
system, it would use that by default instead
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1731 [14:43:26] <rant> man rsh actually shows you the ssh manpage
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1733 [14:44:45] <rant> unless -e is specified on the rsync command
line, env var RSYNC_RSH is set, or a binary/link-to-binary called
rsh is in the PATH var, then it'd use ssh
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1735 [14:45:14] <rant> or of course if src/dest is both local
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1737 [14:45:57] <jelly> wrksx_: yes
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1741 [14:47:02] <wrksx_> Ty guys
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1745 [14:48:25] <bolt> is there a way to restrict the ports a user
is allowed to listen to with ssh remote port forwarding? I.e. can I
put something in sshd_config user a "Match User foo"
directive to allow foo to use "ssh myserver -R
5000:localhost:22" but not "ssh myserver -R
5001:localhost:22" ?
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1747 [14:50:20] <rant> it wouldnt matter.. if the user could ssh
in they could do anything that user could locally regardless of what
ssh could restrict.. what you're looking for is more how to
secure access to ports by user, the ssh part is rather irrelevant
1748 [14:50:44] <bolt> rant: you're assuming the user can run
any commands at all
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1753 [14:52:17] <rant> right.. well if you do ALL of this
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1756 [14:53:20] <rant> then sure you could probably manage with
SSH alone, but idk that I'd really wanna trust anyone in that
way anyhow.. if I couldnt trust em, I wouldnt be lettin em access my
network
1757 [14:53:58] <bolt> rant: i saw that port previously, but i
don't believe it allows restricting which remote listen ports a
user is allowed
1758 [14:54:05] <bolt> s/port/post/
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1761 [14:54:47] <rant> from my (speed) read of it, it not only
does that, it has proofs and demonstrations
1762 [14:54:53] <bolt> rant: the point is not letting the user
access the network at all. it should be allowed to listen to a
single port, and that port only, so one can connect back to it.
1763 [14:55:16] <rant> that's usually handled by a firewall
:P
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1765 [14:55:30] <notsafe> rant
1766 [14:55:35] <notsafe> so you cant help me
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1768 [14:57:15] <bolt> rant: from the manual, PermitOpen restricts
the destination for port forwarding, not the source
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1772 [15:00:04] <abrotman> bolt: iptables ?
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1774 [15:01:18] <bolt> abrotman: can iptables prevent the binding?
if i only limit incoming connections to the forwarded port, the user
with access to port 5000 could still bind to port 5001, thus
blocking another user from binding to that port
1775 [15:01:35] <abrotman> wouldn't htat be sufficient to
keep them from using ports you don't want them using?
1776 [15:02:01] <wrksx_> is there a better way than rsync -avxP
user@host:/source1 user@host:/source2 /var/backup
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1778 [15:02:24] <wrksx_> my concern is two sources on the same
host
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1780 [15:02:55] <bolt> abrotman: it might be. i just feel like
locking it down properly while i'm at it. i'm annoyed by
the idea that a user could bind to port 8080, preventing a service
from starting, for instance
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1783 [15:03:44] <wrksx_> For backups, would you pull from the
backup host, or push from the backuped host ? I mean is there any
differences ?
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1788 [15:04:26] <SevenWen> !payday
1789 [15:04:59] <r3> I think convention, wrksx_, is to push from
the system being backed up onto the backup server/medium
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1793 [15:05:46] <r3> but, that being said, I've also seen
background backups that pull from the host onto a backup server.
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1801 [15:08:32] <wrksx_> Let's follow convention
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1825 [15:14:31] <HKitain> does the rootfs device in /etc/fstab
actually matter? If it differs from whatever is specified in the
bootloader, does it run init (systemd), and then remount to what
fstab says?
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1833 [15:19:20] <frostschutz> HKitain, well, you can try... but
usually it's just a remount with different mount options.
traditionally the / would start out as mounted read-only and attempt
to fsck if there are minor problems. with initramfs that is no
longer necessary
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1835 [15:21:03] <HKitain> gotcah
1836 [15:21:05] <HKitain> *gotcha
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1850 [15:25:43] <nazarewk> how do i enable --log-level 5 logs in
iptables on debian?
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1852 [15:26:37] <nazarewk> from what i understand they should
appear in journalctl -k
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1870 [15:35:36] <annadane> are there any good wine equivalents?
like, some kind of windows container without having to set up an
entire virtual machine
1871 [15:36:28] <JustASlacker> doxbox
1872 [15:36:32] * JustASlacker hides
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1876 [15:38:26] <gnoynat> annadane: do you mean
paravirtualization?
1877 [15:39:15] <annadane> actually i guess i never investigated
as to whether QEMU/KVM can do it
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1879 [15:39:31] <JustASlacker> there are some windows vagrant
boxes public available
1880 [15:39:38] <gnoynat> annadane: something like xp mode?
1881 [15:40:09] <JustASlacker> like here
replaced-url
1882 [15:40:31] <JustASlacker> if you google for vagrant and
windows you should find some tutorials or already build boxes
1883 [15:40:45] <Azathoth> I tried Windows 10 in gnome-boxes, it
was painfully slow
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1885 [15:41:00] <Azathoth> so yes, qemu/kvm can do it
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1887 [15:41:13] <JustASlacker> sure kvm can do it
1888 [15:41:25] <JustASlacker> as can virtuabox
1889 [15:41:39] <JustASlacker> or xen :D
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1891 [15:43:15] <JustASlacker>
replaced-url
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1893 [15:45:17] <annadane> i just wanted to run individual
applications in a "windows environment" without the need
to have the entire bloat of windows
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1895 [15:45:41] <annadane> and without going through the entire
windows install process though yeah i guess there's pre made
images
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1897 [15:46:26] * JustASlacker shrugs
1898 [15:46:34] <JustASlacker> its wine or nothing then
1899 [15:46:41] <annadane> sigh. oh well, thanks
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1901 [15:46:50] <tockitj> which package enables `free` command to
work?
1902 [15:47:04] <annadane> wine is ok, it's just a lot of
packages
1903 [15:47:08] <JustASlacker> or maybe "it wine or
whine" :D
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1907 [15:48:11] <JustASlacker> tockitj: procps ?
1908 [15:48:17] <nix64bit> why is dmesg messed up for non root
users?
1909 [15:48:59] <jhutchins> nix64bit: It's not.
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1911 [15:49:29] <jhutchins> nix64bit: non-privileged users should
not be allowed operations that can change the state of the system.
1912 [15:49:50] <nix64bit> dmesg can do that?
1913 [15:49:55] <nix64bit> just info
1914 [15:50:29] <jhutchins> tockitj: procpcs
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1920 [15:52:47] <jhutchins> nix64bit: dmesg can install and remove
packages, but non-privileged users can query it. I just pulled the
source package for free from it as a regular user.
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1922 [15:53:00] <jhutchins> er, dpkg.
1923 [15:53:25] <jhutchins> nix64bit: Sorry, brainfart.
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1925 [15:53:37] <tockitj> That is the one. Thank you
1926 [15:53:54] <jhutchins> nix64bit: The kernel ring buffer is
only accessible by root, so dmesg can't read it when run as a
regular user.
1927 [15:55:21] <RoyK> jhutchins: when did that change, really?
iirc it was user-accessible some time back
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1939 [16:03:26] <nix64bit> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed:
Operation not permitted
1940 [16:03:39] <nix64bit> thats not a useful message
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1943 [16:04:18] <tw> it says you're not root.
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1945 [16:04:42] <tw> I dunno what you are looking for in the error
message.
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1947 [16:05:24] <Azathoth> according to
replaced-url
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1955 [16:07:54] <converge> Im trying to upgrade from Firefox 57 to
Firefox 59, I placed the new Firefox at /opt/firefox , but when I
try to run the firefox (executable) file, it says: -bash: ./firefox:
No such file or directory , some ideia how to fix it ?
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1958 [16:09:46] <bolt> converge: wrong architecture?
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1964 [16:12:55] <jelly> converge: what does "file
./firefox" say
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1967 [16:13:58] <converge> bolt, Im using a KVM guest, maybe
it's 32bits and Im trying 64
1968 [16:14:06] <converge> jelly, the output is: -bash: ./firefox:
No such file or directory
1969 [16:14:16] <tockitj> converge, note that vimperator will no
longer work one you upgrade to quantum
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1971 [16:14:59] <converge> tockitj, what's imperator..?
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1975 [16:16:11] <nazarewk> how do i change kernel log level on the
running system?
1976 [16:16:14] <anonnumberanon> why is e2fsck such a troll
package?
1977 [16:16:18] <anonnumberanon> it makes me rage
1978 [16:16:32] <nazarewk> (i'm trying to use iptable logs
with --log-level 5
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1980 [16:16:58] <kill0rmachine_> you can determine architecture of
current running kernel with "uname -m"
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2002 [16:22:53] <n4dir> converge: i would check if /opt/bin is in
the users path, and i don't think it is per default. I would
also try the full path to the command.
2003 [16:22:57] <jelly> converge: okay. What does "ls -ld
./firefox" say, then?
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2007 [16:24:43] <converge> jelly, -rwxr-xr-x 1 converge converge
198572 Mar 15 21:39 ./firefox
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2013 [16:26:39] <kill0rmachine_> and "ldd ./firefox" ?
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2017 [16:27:17] <jelly> converge: and "file ./firefox"
command fails with a bash error? Which debian release is this?
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2022 [16:28:10] <converge> jelly, yes.. very weird, it's
stretch
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2026 [16:28:28] <jelly> converge: what does "type file"
say
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2029 [16:29:04] <converge> jelly, I downloaded FF 57, and it
runs..
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2032 [16:29:46] <anonnumberanon> when I fsck my partition it
returns that it's clean, then when I try to resize it with
Gparted the checking tool e2fsck says that it's out of date
2033 [16:29:47] <RoyK> mh... I have a bad drive in this machine,
and I'm not onsite. The drive doesn't have much work
anymore, replaced by another, but it's still there flooding my
logs. Is there a way I can disable this in /sys somehow without
physically unplugging it? Here's from dmesg
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2034 [16:29:52] <jelly> converge: okay, but that doesn't
answer the question
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2043 [16:31:57] <jelly> if it solvers your problem, then good
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2045 [16:33:33] <tw> RoyK: echo 1 >
/sys/class/block/sdX/device/delete
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2049 [16:34:17] <tw> I've never been able to get it *back*
from that op without hotplugging though.
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2060 [16:38:13] <RoyK> tw: it used to be sdd, but that's gone
now, and still it keeps flooding
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2064 [16:40:36] <jelly> RoyK: what keeps flooding?
2065 [16:41:05] <jelly> ahci driver?
2066 [16:41:13] <RoyK> jelly:
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2067 [16:41:40] <RoyK> every 2 seconds or so
2068 [16:41:48] <RoyK> so it probably won't fill up my disk,
but still
2069 [16:42:05] <jelly> it keeps happening, after echo 1 into
/sys/block/whatever/device/delete ?
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2072 [16:42:28] <RoyK> jelly: as mentioned above, it was sdd, but
that device is gone now
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2074 [16:42:51] <jelly> so the action did not go thru to the
device
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2077 [16:43:09] <RoyK> well, there's no device there to send
the action to
2078 [16:43:13] <jelly> I have no idea how to shut down one sata
channel but presumably it should be possible
2079 [16:43:46] <tw> It looks like the ahci controller is sending
a device plug event that either isn't answered or is being
ignored because the kernel has shut down that device.
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2081 [16:43:53] <tw> I don't know how to fix that, sorry =/
2082 [16:44:01] <RoyK> I guess I'll have to wait until I or
someone gets onsite
2083 [16:44:07] <RoyK> it's just a dead drive
2084 [16:44:11] <jelly> something in /sys/class/ata_{link,port}
maybe
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2087 [16:44:41] <tw> he won't be able to hotplug back into
that port, after shutting it down, I think.
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2089 [16:45:17] <RoyK> tw: doesn't matter
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2095 [16:46:53] <dimde> I installed a Debian alongside Windows
which doesn't boot (I currently boot into Windows). Now I did
the things that !chroot suggested. Q1: Is there any way I can check
if that succeeded other than not receiving an error? Q2: And how do
I update my grub from there, so I can boot into grub and from there
into Debian or Windows by default?
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2100 [16:47:52] <greycat> update-grub
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2102 [16:48:22] <dimde> and then `reboot`?
2103 [16:48:46] <greycat> yes, once you've made all the
changes you want to make
2104 [16:49:06] <dimde> would I want to make any more changes to
boot into grub?
2105 [16:49:22] <dimde> `update-grub` seemed to run through
without complaints.
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2107 [16:49:43] <greycat> you made sure os-prober is installed?
you might also want to read through the grub config file that it
generates, to make sure all OSes are found
2108 [16:49:48] <dimde> oh no… on reading closely, it did
complain…
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2111 [16:50:23] <aoluser> My server doesnt auto-reconnect to the
ethernet connection after my router/modem reboots. How do I enable
it to reconnect? Here are the settings for Wicd:
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2112 [16:50:25] <dimde> "grub-probe: error: cannot find GRUB
drive for /dev/sdb1. check your device map."
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2114 [16:50:46] <dimde> sdb1 should be the stick with the live
system.
2115 [16:50:57] <greycat> oh, then you probably don't need to
worry about that
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2118 [16:51:37] <dimde> it said "found linux image" and
"initrd image".
2119 [16:52:17] <aoluser> I;ve tried adding "auto
enp0s25" to the interface file, but that doesnt work.
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2122 [16:53:29] <dimde> so it should at least have found the
debian and written that, so now I should boot into debian (even if
there may not be an option for windows). from there I think I can
fiddle with grub a little further to also make it boot into windows,
right?
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2125 [16:54:19] <greycat> if os-prober was installed when you ran
update-grub then it should have found windows and you can verify it
all by reading /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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2128 [16:55:01] <greycat> Windows boot entries should be right
after "# BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober # "
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2130 [16:55:18] <dimde> `# os-prober` said "grub-probe:
error: cannot find GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1. check your device
map." -- so I guess, it was installed.
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2132 [16:55:36] <greycat> but you said that's the live
system, which is not what you want it to find anyway
2133 [16:55:42] <dimde> yes.
2134 [16:56:03] <dimde> so I guess it was installed and called,
when I ran `update-grub`
2135 [16:57:08] <dimde> 'Windows boot entries should be right
after "# BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober # "' << of what? theoutput from `update-grub`, or of
some file?
2136 [16:57:24] <greycat> 11:54 greycat> [...] and you can
verify it all by reading /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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2145 [16:59:46] <dimde> "# BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###" is followed by an
empty line and then "## BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_uefi-firmware
# "
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2147 [17:00:01] <greycat> then it didn't find your Windows
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2149 [17:00:06] <dimde> yes.
2150 [17:00:45] <dimde> should I boot into debian for starters and
fix my grub from there?
2151 [17:00:59] <mahafyi> greycat : thanks for advice yesterday, I
was able to install salt-minion on Debian testing with equivs, by
manually installing python-tornado.
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2154 [17:01:27] <greycat> dimde: I guess it's worth a try at
this point.
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2160 [17:02:25] <dimde> I just kill the power to reboot, right?
because `reboot` isn't accepted from within chroot ;-)
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2162 [17:02:53] <greycat> cd / and then unmount everything and
then try shutdown -r now
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2164 [17:04:24] <sine0> guys, I have been using debian net install
in a vm for a while now. I have it on vm etc. when I add a second
adapter in vbox, it does not seem to obtain an ip address in debian,
and then i thought, how would it have 2 ip addresses anyway.... do I
have to configure it in debian
2165 [17:04:38] <friend_to_pandas> my HDMI monitor port isn't
working in Stretch. doesn't show up in xrandr. it works in
Win10. what should I do?
2166 [17:04:49] <dimde> 'cd /' doesn't lead me
outside of the chroot-environment… so I don’t think, I
can unmount anything from there.
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2169 [17:05:08] <tobiasBora> rant: any idea how I could debug it?
for example it looks like that I can query dns even behind the
hotspot. but how is the hotspot supposed to send the login url?
2170 [17:05:28] <greycat> ah right, "exit" first to get
out of the chroot, THEN reboot (or shutdown -r now, or whatever)
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2172 [17:06:19] <dimde> ok… that boots me into grub (not
debian)
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2175 [17:07:08] <greycat> Should be a grub menu with Debian as the
default choice, and hitting Enter or waiting 5 seconds should boot
into Debian.
2176 [17:07:18] <dimde> no… it's grub console.
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2179 [17:08:31] <dimde> strange… after rebooting again, I
boot into windows.
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2181 [17:09:05] <dimde> the grub console looked sth like this:
replaced-url
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2184 [17:10:45] <dimde> hm… what now?
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2199 [17:17:16] <dimde> I redid the steps up to and including
`update-grub` from the chroot I obtained from the live-system for
starters… not looking at '/boot/grub/grub.cfg' to
see, if I can find the bootsequence for Debian in there.
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2201 [17:18:35] <dimde> s/not looking/now looking/
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2203 [17:19:18] <frikinz> Hi. Does "apt remove pkg" also
removes dependencies marked as auto ?
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2209 [17:20:17] <somiaj> frikinz: you will have to run apt
autoremove afterwards to do that.
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2211 [17:21:04] <dimde> Sais things like "menuentry
'Debian GNU/Linux' --class debian …". So that
looks like it’s describing a grub menu as I would have
expected to see (that can boot me into Debian). Now I guess my
bios/uefi doesn't find/execute this grub that I just created,
right?
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2214 [17:22:10] <frikinz> somiaj: thanks. never thought it works
like this. Or is it aptitude that does remove depencies
automatically.
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2237 [17:31:22] <dimde> some forums suggest something related to
registering boot partitions as "trusted UEFI-File" in the
bios… could that be related?
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2248 [17:34:38] <bmomjian> Is there any value to putting my web
server's public key in /etc/ssl/certs? I used to do it but with
letsencrypt, it is harder so I am wondering if there is any value.
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2254 [17:36:19] <jim> trying to figure out why my syslog is stuck
(in other news, a wireless card that can iwlist scan, is not
considered "suitable" by nm)
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2256 [17:37:10] <anonnumberanon> finally got external monitors
running on my laptop
2257 [17:37:11] <capin> hello, when I run `locale -a` I'm
getting the following output,
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2270 [17:44:49] <friend_to_pandas> my HDMI monitor port isn't
working in Stretch. doesn't show up in xrandr. it works in
Win10. I have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. what should I do?
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2280 [17:49:19] <dimde> hm… strange. if I repeat the steps,
I can't seem to be able to boot into even the grub-console
anymore.
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2290 [17:53:50] <eeereplaced-url
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2292 [17:54:10] <jhutchins> !locale
2293 [17:54:11] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting
information to humans according to local conventions (date format,
thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales>
to establish on a Debian system.
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2297 [17:55:02] <jhutchins> friend_to_pandas: What graphics
hardware? What driver is it using? What have you done so far to try
to fix it? What's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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2299 [17:55:20] <nkuttler> eeereplaced-url
2300 [17:55:23] <jhutchins> eeereplaced-url
2301 [17:55:51] <jhutchins> For a single command I'd probably
use an alias.
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2311 [17:58:17] <jhutchins> eeereplaced-url
2312 [17:58:18] <eeereplaced-url
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2315 [17:59:01] <jhutchins> !rc.local
2316 [17:59:01] <dpkg> /etc/rc.local is a script called by
/etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be
run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at
boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local).
rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script
instead, ask me about <init.d>.
2317 [17:59:56] <dimde> I think I solved my issue with this:
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2318 [18:00:11] <jhutchins> EWDurbin: You can (probably should)
also search for rc.local+systemd for how to use it on newer
releases.
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2322 [18:00:56] <EWDurbin> jhutchins: wrong handle :)
2323 [18:01:05] <greycat> rc.local works just fine on systemd
2324 [18:01:19] <greycat> or at least as fine as it does under
sysvinit
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2328 [18:02:04] <greycat> ... that's a trick question, right?
2329 [18:02:12] <dimde> eeereplaced-url
2330 [18:02:15] <eeereplaced-url
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2338 [18:04:08] <greycat> "I'm trying to modify my boot
sequence to bring up a special device that I won't name that
uses special drivers I won't describe and also needs me to run
2 scripts, one of them python, the other I won't identify, as
prereqs, and by the way, I am a mouse user and don't know what
a command is"
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2343 [18:05:16] <greycat> Is your question "How do I execute
a python script?" Make sure it has a valid shebang line and +x
permissions.
2344 [18:06:00] <eeereplaced-url
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2346 [18:06:15] <jhutchins> EWDurbin: Sorry.
2347 [18:06:18] <greycat> then make sure the shebang line is
python3 and not just python
2348 [18:06:47] <eeereplaced-url
2349 [18:06:53] <greycat> !shebang
2350 [18:06:54] <dpkg> it has been said that shebang is the
"hash-bang" (#!) line at the start of a script that
instructs the kernel which interpreter to use. Examples:
"#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w".
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2357 [18:09:00] <friend_to_pandas> jhutchins: graphics hardware:
Intel HD 4000 integrated and NVIDIA NVS 5200M. driver: "lspci
-nnk" producing "kernel driver in use: i915" and
"nouveau".
2358 [18:09:19] <friend_to_pandas> jhutchins: HDMI is mentioned
twice in .local/share/Xorg.0.log: "[ 16.981] (II) NOUVEAU(G0):
Output HDMI-1-1 has no monitor section" "17.129] (II)
NOUVEAU(G0): EDID for output HDMI-1-1"
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2360 [18:10:26] <friend_to_pandas> jhutchins: "to fix
it" nothing yet. I'm told maybe I should uninstall
xserver-xorg-video-intel and try modesetting? Does that kick in
immediately?
2361 [18:10:33] <sh0kx> eeereplaced-url
2362 [18:11:02] <greycat> you mean "type python3", since
it's python3 and not python
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2365 [18:12:09] <sh0kx> greycat: if it is python3 yes. You have to
launch 'which' on the command name you normally use to
launch your script.
2366 [18:12:29] <greycat> 13:06 eeereplaced-url
2367 [18:12:30] <greycat> 13:06 greycat> then make sure the
shebang line is python3 and not just python
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2369 [18:13:47] <sh0kx> ll
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2375 [18:16:51] <alkisg> friend_to_pandas: a pastebin of your
Xorg.log would help...
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2404 [18:25:53] <friend_to_pandas> alkisg: my bad
2405 [18:25:58] <friend_to_pandas> alkisg: jhutchins:
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2416 [18:31:30] <capin> still messing around with locales, and
this is what I'm getting now
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2417 [18:31:37] <hark> hee
2418 [18:31:47] <hark> someone knows where to find a signature of:
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2421 [18:32:26] <hark> or more specifically of:
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2533 [19:05:58] <Guest16681> hihi
2534 [19:06:00] <Guest16681> o/
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2568 [19:21:48] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Since I upgraded to Debian 9,
Fabric isn't working, with a problem in paramiko it seems:
replaced-url
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2570 [19:22:39] <Pegasus_RPG> I tried reinstalling the fabric and
pyhton-paramiko packages but still get the same error. Any idea what
package(s) I may be missing?
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2573 [19:24:02] <Pegasus_RPG> I have python-cryptography
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2577 [19:25:51] <Pegasus_RPG> Installing python3-paramiko makes no
difference either (probably because fabric is using python2.)
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2579 [19:25:58] <jelly> what is Fabric?
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2581 [19:26:36] <Pegasus_RPG> jelly: python-based automation tool
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2583 [19:27:05] <jelly> ,v fabric
2584 [19:27:06] <judd> Package: fabric on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 1.8.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.10.0-1; stretch:
1.13.1-2; buster: 1.14.0-1; sid: 1.14.0-1
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2588 [19:27:22] <jelly> you using the packaged version or
something else?
2589 [19:27:36] <Pegasus_RPG> jelly:
replaced-url
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2594 [19:31:20] <Pegasus_RPG> There's a quick test example at
that site if you want to test
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2596 [19:31:47] <Pegasus_RPG> But even without a script, just
running "fab" at the command line results in that error
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2601 [19:33:03] <jelly> Pegasus_RPG, best file a bug report with
Severity: serious, that sounds like the software is completely
unusable
2602 [19:33:06] <greycat> Pegasus_RPG: did you file a bug ...
2603 [19:33:12] <greycat> damned ninjas
2604 [19:33:21] <jelly> that is, if there isn't one already
2605 [19:33:22] <Pegasus_RPG> not yet, I was just trying to make
sure I didn't miss something first
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2607 [19:33:43] <greycat> I don't think anyone here knows
what "fabric" is except you.
2608 [19:33:59] <jelly> merely running the program shouldn't
just break with an import error
2609 [19:34:12] <Pegasus_RPG> The question is, is the bug in the
fabric package or paramiko?
2610 [19:34:26] <jelly> it's at least in the fabric package
2611 [19:34:27] <greycat> ,info paramiko
2612 [19:34:28] <judd> No package named 'paramiko' was
found in stretch/amd64.
2613 [19:34:35] <Pegasus_RPG> ,info python-paramiko
2614 [19:34:36] <judd> Package python-paramiko (python, optional)
in stretch/amd64: Make ssh v2 connections (Python 2). Version:
2.0.0-1; Size: 108.3k; Installed: 627k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2615 [19:34:53] <greycat> sounds rather specialized
2616 [19:35:08] <jelly> and if it's not the maintainer will
reassign
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2618 [19:35:30] <Pegasus_RPG> yep, it's in paramiko. doing
"import paramiko" at a python prompt gives the same error
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2621 [19:35:51] <jelly> ouch
2622 [19:35:52] <Pegasus_RPG> thanks for the help
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2624 [19:36:09] * Pegasus_RPG loves reportbug
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2626 [19:37:11] <jelly> Pegasus_RPG, maybe something else in your
environment is causing it? import paramiko works here.
2627 [19:37:23] <jelly> (in python2)
2628 [19:37:38] <Pegasus_RPG> It's certainly possible. What
can I check? I'm not very experienced with python.
2629 [19:38:22] <Pegasus_RPG> jelly: What version of
python-paramiko do you have installed?
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2631 [19:39:06] <jelly> whatever is in stretch
2632 [19:39:19] <jelly> Pegasus_RPG, does this fail for you?
python -c 'from cryptography.hazmat.primitives.asymmetric.utils
import decode_dss_signature'
2633 [19:39:43] <Pegasus_RPG> Yes. "ImportError: cannot
import name decode_dss_signature"
2634 [19:40:31] <jelly> perhaps you have a stray copy of
cryptography module somewhere
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2636 [19:41:04] <jelly> locate cryptography/__init__.py
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2639 [19:41:30] <jelly> ii python-paramiko 2.0.0-1 all Make ssh v2
connections (Python 2)
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2641 [19:41:47] <Pegasus_RPG> I have one in /usr/lib/python2.7 and
in /usr/local/lib/python2.7
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2643 [19:41:59] <jelly> Pegasus_RPG, /usr/local eh
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2645 [19:42:05] <jelly> get rid of it
2646 [19:42:11] <Pegasus_RPG> I didn't put it there! :)
2647 [19:42:15] <jelly> yes you did
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2651 [19:42:36] <jelly> or someone else ran "pip install
crap" as root
2652 [19:42:40] <Pegasus_RPG> not intentionally anyway. hmm, the
diff is only a deprecation warning, but deleting
2653 [19:42:42] <Pegasus_RPG> ah okay
2654 [19:43:15] <jelly> (don't run pip install crap as root.
Use virtualenv if you need to, and normal user)
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2660 [19:44:09] <jelly> delete or move away the whole module
directory, not just that file
2661 [19:44:15] <Pegasus_RPG> Is there a way to tell what was
installed with pip? pip list shows everything, even those installed
as debian packages
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2664 [19:44:36] <jelly> no idea
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2667 [19:45:30] <Pegasus_RPG> There are a number of things in
/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages though
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2670 [19:45:48] * Pegasus_RPG renames the crypto one
2671 [19:45:50] <jelly> Pegasus_RPG, as far as distro packages are
concerned, you can safely get rid of everything below in
/usr/local/lib/python2.7/
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2674 [19:46:05] <jelly> s/ in//
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2676 [19:47:11] <Pegasus_RPG> jelly: that worked. Thank you!
2677 [19:47:18] <jelly> ... dpkg -S /usr/local/lib/python2.7
2678 [19:47:18] <jelly> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern
/usr/local/lib/python2.7
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2680 [19:48:07] <Pegasus_RPG> ahh, looks like I manually installed
galileo via pip at some point
2681 [19:48:07] <greycat> ... dpkg -S /usr/local/
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2685 [19:51:31] <jelly> python2.7-minimal postinst creates dirs
there
2686 [19:51:53] * Pegasus_RPG deletes everything in
/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages
2687 [19:52:13] <Pegasus_RPG> jelly: /me ...and reinstalls
python2.7-minimal to be safe
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2696 [19:55:13] <Pegasus_RPG> Thank you very much
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wonders why
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2699 [19:55:33] <jelly> you're welcome!
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2707 [19:58:42] <clunix> hello everyone
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2735 [20:12:15] <clunix> got a question... my laptop a Compaq C58,
that I've already have installed Debian for several times and
several versions, since version 9, I've had to have the files
of my wi-fi card (a Realtek) on a pen drive since the installation
doesn't have them on the DVD install media. Now with the
install of the 9.4 version my wi-fi card that have always been wlan1
suddently change to a Ralink and a wlo1. The system works fine, just
curious... if
2736 [20:12:15] <clunix> anyone can explain I appreciate.
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2743 [20:14:19] <hassoon> 'evening
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2751 [20:18:23] <somiaj> frikinz: correct, aptitude removes auto
installed packages that no longer have any manually installed
packages dependend/recommend/suggest them. apt-get/apt requires you
remove these packages as a sperate step.
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2763 [20:25:51] <kirk781> Grub reconfigured itself in Debian and
now it doesn't detect my Fedora installation.
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2811 [21:01:21] <Pegasus_RPG> clunix: I saw the same thing on my
wired NICs. It seems they're named more specifically based on
what type of chipset they use instead of a generic ethX or wlanX
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2817 [21:04:49] <duiv> anybody else here problems with
gnome-shell/gdm3/mutter etc on sid?
2818 [21:05:30] <annadane> !debian-next
2819 [21:05:31] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2820 [21:05:42] <annadane> and also when you go there you'll
need to specify what "problems"
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2827 [21:07:01] <duiv> ah, ok thanks. Will try there. Problems as
in: X totally broken...
2828 [21:07:49] <annadane> you get to keep all the pieces :)
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2835 [21:12:06] <jim> duiv, you should know that they;re going to
want more... because, "totally broken" is about the same
as "doesn't work" which is less than no info
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2839 [21:14:05] <jelly> it's sid, totally broken is just
another Wednesday
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2843 [21:14:35] <jim> ideally, they'll want, what does it do
wrong, what doesn't it do that it should, did you try anything
to fix it, if so, for each thing you did, what were the results
2844 [21:15:00] <jim> if you give em all that, it will make it
easy and pleasant to help you
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2846 [21:15:26] <jelly> Ideally user checks the BTS, investigates
and reports without asking on irc.
2847 [21:15:37] <n4dir> if X is totally broken then it
doesn't relate to gnome. To give an example why exact info is
necessary
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2862 [21:21:37] <jim> to give you another idea... "I'm
having problems with sid" "ok, of the 4398264 problems in
sid at the moment, which ines are you having"
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2872 [21:27:26] <annadane> the idea is that the people using sid
should know how to get themselves out of problems because
they're experienced users
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2875 [21:28:36] <somiaj> or at least not expect someone to be able
to fix it by a flick of a wand
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2878 [21:29:38] <n4dir> get yourself out ; not necessarily. But
being able to investigate a problem.
2879 [21:30:11] <n4dir> iow: if you will never run sid, you will
never get that kind of experience ... (not that it would be needed).
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2884 [21:31:52] <annadane> i've just stopped using it for my
main desktop
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2886 [21:32:10] <annadane> in future when i want to fix bugs for
the next release i'll use it on a secondary pc
2887 [21:32:42] <somiaj> annadane: you evolved much faster than I
did, 10+ years of fighting bugs in sid until I decided I wanted to
get work done (note 8 of those years I only worked part time)
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2889 [21:33:48] <n4dir> i stopped it too, btw.
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2891 [21:34:18] <n4dir> though it never failed big times on me.
But i sometimes don't boot the debian laptop for a while, so i
don't want the permanent upgrade hazzle
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2894 [21:36:40] <somiaj> my issue in the edn was I was only
upgrading every few months, and installing new software would
sometimes take a day out of my workflow.
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2897 [21:37:05] <somiaj> since that usually required an upgrade,
maybe dealing with reocmpling my nvidia drivers and so on. I could
fix it, but tired of spending more time fixing it than working
2898 [21:37:16] <annadane> fundamentally i do only have one
computer and i do need it for work
2899 [21:37:16] <n4dir> somiaj: ah, yes, i guess so.
2900 [21:38:10] <n4dir> i guess once a week upgrading is a
minimum, but i did it each day twice (after starting and before
stopping the PC)
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2902 [21:38:44] <n4dir> can't think of a good reason why you
would want to run sid, though. besides lulz, wasting time, such.
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2904 [21:39:22] <annadane> well, to fix bugs. but do it on another
pc on which you don't do your daily productivity tasks
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2908 [21:39:58] <n4dir> good point, but i was not a bug fixer and
probably never will be. Hence i missed that point.
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2910 [21:40:21] <somiaj> I maybe getting old but 10+ years ago the
difference between stable and sid seemed to be much greater (but the
linux desktop was activally developing at that time). I do notice
the difference now, but doens't seem as much (Espically with
backports available)
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2912 [21:41:06] <greycat> Yeah, the backports are a relatively new
addition.
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2914 [21:41:38] <n4dir> huh?
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2916 [21:42:06] <n4dir> i think they existed as long i used
PC's (i guess that's relatively ?)
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2918 [21:42:31] <somiaj> I think wheezy was the first release to
include them offically, and they only existed unoffically for a
release or two before that
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2922 [21:43:34] <n4dir> i started when etch was on the move to
lenny (if lenny was the release after etch)
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2924 [21:43:55] <n4dir> unofficially might be.
2925 [21:44:08] <greycat> dpkg etch->lenny
2926 [21:44:08] <dpkg> Read the release notes, ask me about
<lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to
date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update;
aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny
sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude;
aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about
<lenny> and <lenny->squeeze>.
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2932 [21:45:28] <tw> squeeze was the first with official
backports, I think.
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2935 [21:45:41] <tw> lenny and etch had unofficial backports.
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2940 [21:46:36] <greycat> !etchnhalf
2941 [21:46:36] <dpkg> Etch-And-A-Half -- additional packages in
the Debian <4.0r4> point release providing additional support
for more hardware. It included a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated
installer. As security support for Etch has ended, the
Etch-And-A-Half release is no longer supported; ask me about
<etch->lenny> to upgrade.
replaced-url
2942 [21:46:59] <greycat> so many weird things back then
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2944 [21:47:47] <n4dir> debian-multimedia was mentioned all the
time too.
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2949 [21:48:17] <greycat> what percentage was people swearing at
it, and what percentage was people having problems because of it? :)
2950 [21:48:30] <tw> together? probably 100%.
2951 [21:48:42] <n4dir> yeah, that was the one part. The other
part recommending it all the time.
2952 [21:48:45] <hypn0> is this #retro-debain :-)
2953 [21:48:47] <tw> multimedia on linux was a sh&@show back
then.
2954 [21:49:04] <jelly> it provided stuff that was almost
completely absent from debian
2955 [21:49:13] <n4dir> hypn0: :-) Sorry for it.
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2957 [21:49:29] <jelly> the swearing only started after Debian
multimedia started actually doing something
2958 [21:49:48] <tw> like lame, and decss.
2959 [21:49:51] <greycat> !remove dmm
2960 [21:49:51] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from
deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian
repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends
$(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial
Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm
repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f;
install the still missing packages which were removed in the former
process ...
2961 [21:49:54] <jelly> even slightly broken packages are better
than no packages
2962 [21:50:00] <jelly> tw, or mplayer that actually works
2963 [21:50:16] <tw> mplayer worked, it just didn't work fast
=p
2964 [21:50:17] <jelly> or libavcodec build that isn't
totally crippled
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2968 [21:51:16] <jelly> or acroread that can be easily installed
and removed
2969 [21:51:35] <tw> gstreamer wasn't around yet, xine was,
alsa multichannel mixing was still completely eff'd.
2970 [21:51:44] <n4dir> but these days you seldom here about it? i
sure don't.
2971 [21:51:45] <jelly> xine was shit
2972 [21:51:53] <tw> xine was shit.
2973 [21:51:55] <jelly> gstreamer still is
2974 [21:51:58] * jelly hides
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2976 [21:52:20] <greycat> n4dir: you don't hear about it
because the stuff in stretch actually works
2977 [21:52:35] <tw> Or people don't have to try to do
bonkers stuff to get through the day./
2978 [21:52:36] <n4dir> yup, so my guess is right.
2979 [21:52:45] <tw> Like manually construct a gstreamer pipeline
to decode RTP packets.
2980 [21:52:48] <tw> I remember doing that.
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2982 [21:52:57] <greycat> until some moron notices that there is a
version in the wild with a slightly higher number than they version
they've got, and they get SNS
2983 [21:53:13] <jelly> ,v mpv
2984 [21:53:14] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2;
stretch: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; stretch-security: 0.23.0-2+deb9u2; buster:
0.27.2-1; sid: 0.27.2-1; experimental: 0.28.0-1; jessie-multimedia:
1:0.8.3-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 1:0.27.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia:
1:0.27.2-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 1:0.27.2-dmo1+deb9u1
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2986 [21:54:38] <tw> jelly: mpv is a great end user framework, but
it's not a source or editing framework. afaik, all of
mplayer's enc stuff is stripped out.
2987 [21:55:13] <jelly> yes. That was not a comment on anything
you said.
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3050 [22:23:36] <strk> !lxc
3051 [22:23:36] <dpkg> Linux Containers (LXC) is an open source
virtualization system using kernel-level isolation.
replaced-url
3052 [22:24:04] <strk> do you know which package includes the
`lxc` binary ? it is lxd-client on ubuntu (for reference)
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3054 [22:24:36] <strk> neither 'lxc' nor
'lxctl' have it in Jessie
3055 [22:24:40] <bites> the lxc binary is for lxd not lxc, which
iirc is not packaged for debian.
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3057 [22:25:20] <strk> oh
3058 [22:25:51] <bites> you can install it through snap, though it
might be buggy.
3059 [22:26:46] <strk> !lxd
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3061 [22:27:08] <strk> what's the difference between lxc and
lxd ?
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3065 [22:28:23] <bites> lxd is an abstraction layer on top of lxc
in a way. some nice security features and usability stuff.
unprivileged containers by default for example.
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3082 [22:39:03] <davidisgreat> I p2v'd a Debian 6.0.10
server. VMware converter failed saying it couldn't install
grub. I downloaded the disk and booted the VM into rescue mode. Its
asking what file system to use as root. I think the old server had a
soft raid which isn't being assembled. I'm not sure how to
proceed.
3083 [22:39:17] <davidisgreat> I have access to the old physical
server. I can pull information off of it.
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3097 [22:46:51] <davidisgreat>
replaced-url
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3101 [22:50:12] <mateliveinstall> Can debian-live-9.4.0-i386-mate
be used as rescue media?
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3104 [22:50:30] <Tenkawa> it should be
3105 [22:50:37] <mateliveinstall> how?
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3107 [22:51:00] <Tenkawa> i think its in the advanced boot menu
3108 [22:51:02] <somiaj> mateliveinstall: once in the live system,
mount and chroot into your install.
3109 [22:51:09] <somiaj> or yea, might be able to do it more
automatically too
3110 [22:51:34] <Tenkawa> theres various ways
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3112 [22:51:49] <magyar> hi, need help with cryptsetup, how can I
have only one password for multiple mounts?
3113 [22:51:50] <mateliveinstall> somiaj, it is not my install, it
is a friend's install who is far away from me. He is not a
technical guy
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3120 [22:53:20] <mateliveinstall> On his lapop, he installed
Debian 9 using debian-live-9.4.0-i386-mate, the installation went
fine but after rebooting there was no grub menu and windows 10
booted up straightaway
3121 [22:53:23] <somiaj> mateliveinstall: I'm unsure if the
live image have a rescue mode like the offical instaler does, maybe
have them run a live sysetm, run an ssh server, give you an account
and you can ssh into it to fix.
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3125 [22:53:54] <annadane> it's also possible he also just
needs to reconfigure grub
3126 [22:53:55] <somiaj> oh it might be grub installed just fine,
but it was in efi mode, if in efi mode, they may need to point their
firmware at the grub efi installer (not the windows one)
3127 [22:54:00] <annadane> er, wait
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3129 [22:54:07] <annadane> i'm stupid, never min
3130 [22:54:08] <annadane> d
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3134 [22:54:25] <somiaj> arg grub efi boot file (not installer)
3135 [22:54:25] <mateliveinstall> he is got a laptop and no
internet access at present. I do not have a ssh server and neither
does he
3136 [22:54:54] <mateliveinstall> sorry: i am a newbie too
3137 [22:55:00] <somiaj> there are non-free live images with
firmware for wifi controllers. I was just thinking if you are
helping remotely that might help
3138 [22:55:15] <somiaj> ahh in that case, unsure what is best.
Most likely they need to do something along the lines of this
factoid
3139 [22:55:18] <somiaj> !fixmbr
3140 [22:55:18] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
3141 [22:55:19] <mateliveinstall> He has no internet access at all
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3143 [22:55:34] <somiaj> (though I would first see if there grub
put an .efi file on the efi partition and if you can just point the
firmware at it to boot)
3144 [22:55:43] <somiaj> mateliveinstall: ahh, well that does
change things.
3145 [22:56:00] <RoyK> davidisgreat: try smartctl --examine
/dev/sdX on those disks
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3149 [22:56:38] <RoyK> davidisgreat: also, there's
#linux-raid with a few more people knowledgable about mdraid
3150 [22:56:41] <davidisgreat> RoyK: should I boot a shell in the
installer enviroment?
3151 [22:57:23] <RoyK> davidisgreat: alt+f2 should do
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3153 [22:57:30] <RoyK> if mdadm is there
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3155 [22:57:44] <RoyK> it should be
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3160 [22:59:01] <davidisgreat> it says it can't find smartctl
3161 [22:59:39] <RoyK> then get some live image
3162 [22:59:49] <RoyK> davidisgreat: is this your root fs?
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3166 [23:00:30] <davidisgreat> I don't have a root fs because
the raid isn't assembling
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3172 [23:03:16] <mateliveinstall> somiaj: how can he find out
which partition is his root filesystem?
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3174 [23:04:32] <RoyK> davidisgreat: well, was the root on the
raid?
3175 [23:06:20] <davidisgreat> RoyK:
replaced-url
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3177 [23:06:38] <RoyK> davidisgreat: raid level?
3178 [23:06:41] <davidisgreat> 1
3179 [23:06:43] <somiaj> mateliveinstall: from linux you can look
at lsblk or just mount the partitions and see what is in them.
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3181 [23:07:08] <RoyK> davidisgreat: ok, then boot on something
that can read raid1, the debian installer can do that
3182 [23:07:21] <RoyK> davidisgreat: preferably, boot on some live
image
3183 [23:07:23] <davidisgreat>
replaced-url
3184 [23:07:33] <RoyK> davidisgreat: so that you can examine and
perhaps fix things
3185 [23:07:36] <davidisgreat> I booted off the 6.0.10 installer
iso. That matches the OS
3186 [23:07:50] <RoyK> that looks healthy
3187 [23:07:51] <mateliveinstall> sorry, but he can not boot into
the Debian 9 he installed on his 64bit laptop
3188 [23:08:13] <davidisgreat> I'm grabbing that from the
physical server.
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3191 [23:08:46] <davidisgreat> I ran mdadm --assemble --scan on
the VM but it failed
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3196 [23:09:07] <davidisgreat> mdadm: No arrays found in the
config file or automatically
3197 [23:09:15] <RoyK> davidisgreat: are you using md on a vm?
3198 [23:09:25] <RoyK> on physical drives?
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3200 [23:09:41] <davidisgreat> Its a physcal server I am trying to
virutalize. Yes, I moved all disks.
3201 [23:09:53] <RoyK> please don't do that
3202 [23:09:53] <davidisgreat> I don't need to be as there is
a hardware raid at the hypervisor level aready
3203 [23:10:00] <davidisgreat> I'm not sure how else to move
it
3204 [23:10:02] <RoyK> let the physical server deal with storage
3205 [23:10:23] <RoyK> and then run the VMs on top of that, on
md/lvm or zfs
3206 [23:10:31] <RoyK> don't virtualise the raid
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3208 [23:10:52] <davidisgreat> I can delete the VM and run vmware
converter again. I'm not sure how to make it not grab all the
disks.
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3211 [23:11:17] <bolt> are you running the vm with physical disks,
or are you working on images?
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3213 [23:11:40] <RoyK> sounds like the former
3214 [23:11:50] <davidisgreat> the VM is on vmware esxi. So the
disks are emulated
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3222 [23:13:12] <bolt> yeah.. don't do that. there's no
reason to run a raid1 inside a vm that doesn't use passthrough
disks.
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3224 [23:13:40] <bolt> and even with passthrough, you'd want
to do the raid on the host and pass that
3225 [23:13:43] <davidisgreat> I agree. I don't want nested
raids. I'm just not sure how to migrate it.
3226 [23:14:00] <bolt> mount the file system and sync it over?
3227 [23:14:29] <davidisgreat> Can I do that with vmware
converter?
3228 [23:14:31] <bolt> create empty file system of same type, sync
the other one to it, then, since it's the root, fix the fstab
and such
3229 [23:15:04] <bolt> what does vmware converter give you?
3230 [23:15:38] <davidisgreat> I'll run it again and grab a
screenshot when it gets to the disk options.
3231 [23:15:51] <bolt> but why are you running it?
3232 [23:16:01] <davidisgreat> to get the physical server into a
VM
3233 [23:16:13] <bolt> just make a vm
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3235 [23:16:19] <bolt> sync the file system
3236 [23:16:20] <davidisgreat> Are you saying I should install a
fresh debian installation then move the data in?
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3238 [23:16:39] <bolt> sure. or just boot a live cd in your vm and
set up empty disks
3239 [23:16:45] <bolt> you don't need to install anything
really
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3243 [23:18:30] <davidisgreat>
replaced-url
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3248 [23:22:09] <tw> 3x disks in raid1, two of which are twice the
size of the raid? Interesting.
3249 [23:22:19] <davidisgreat> one of them must not be used.
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3251 [23:22:37] <tw> Hopefully it's not a problem that your
md0 doesn't have a partition table; hopefully it's smart
enough to put that in a partition and not make a raw disk.
3252 [23:23:24] <aindilis> This used to work: `mplayer -ao
pulse::alsa_output.usb-GeneralPlus_USB_Audio_Device-00-Device.analog-stereo
$@`, but I upgraded and now it doesn't
3253 [23:23:43] <a_duck_> does anyone know why my supported
version of opengl would have dropped from 2.1 to 1.3 from jessie to
stretch? i have a thinkpad x220, it's using the i915 driver
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3256 [23:24:52] <a_duck_> i have a little program that's just
a spinning textured cube i wrote a couple of years ago, and i'm
getting segfaults now i'm running it in stretch
3257 [23:25:07] <tw> aindilis: I'd check if you still have
that output listed in `pacmd list-sinks`
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3262 [23:26:48] <davidisgreat> From within the physical server,
can I just copy all of / to / on the VM?
3263 [23:27:50] <jelly> if you already did P2V you can just dd the
existing filesystem to its new partition, fix fstab and boot loader
3264 [23:28:09] <somiaj> a_duck_: check the xorg log file and see
what driver is actually be loaded/detected. Also in the
jessie->stretch switch, there is some swtich to use
xserver-xorg-video-modesetting over xserver-xorg-video-intel, and
sometimes the intel one is better for paticular hardware.
3265 [23:28:25] <somiaj> a_duck_: and sometimes the modesetting
driver does better.
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3267 [23:28:45] <davidisgreat> put I p2v'd some disks that I
can't assemble into a raid. I think I should delete them and
create a new single disk, then try to move the data into it
3268 [23:29:08] <jelly> oh. is the data there or not?
3269 [23:29:27] <davidisgreat> yes, the data has all been moved. I
don't know how to assemble the raid and access it.
3270 [23:29:38] <davidisgreat> Plus I don't even want to.
Then I would have nested raids
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3272 [23:30:35] <jelly> davidisgreat, what does lsblk on the VM
look like right now? Boot a decent livecd of some sort if you
don't have it.
3273 [23:31:36] <jelly> and how do you know the data is there if
you can't access it :-)
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3275 [23:31:46] <davidisgreat> I don't have that command.
I'll download a better livecd
3276 [23:32:07] <davidisgreat> I don't, it could have been
copying garbage.
3277 [23:32:10] <jelly> grml.org is debian-based and has almost
any imaginable sysadmin tool
3278 [23:32:12] <a_duck_> somiaj: ah! thanks. is this what
i'm looking for "[ 78.568] (==) Matched modesetting as
autoconfigured driver 0
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3280 [23:34:31] <aindilis> tw: thanks, I was able to see what to
use with the mplayer -ao for the sink using paman !!!
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3284 [23:37:14] <somiaj> a_duck_: on some hardware removing
xserver-xorg-video-modesetting will force the intel driver to be
used (which can sometimes be better). You can also write an
xorg.conf snippit to force the intel driver being used over
modesetting driver. Also look at glxinfo and xvinfo for other output
about what is loaded.
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3336 [23:58:15] <a_duck> somiaj: can't seem to remove the
mode setting driver as it's virtual. intel is definitely
installed...
3337 [23:58:27] <a_duck> intel(0): Using Kernel Mode Setting
driver: i915, version 1.6.0 20160919 <- is this intel or
modesetting?
3338 [23:58:42] <somiaj> a_duck: are you fully upgraded to
stretch?
3339 [23:58:53] <somiaj> ,v xserver-xorg-video-modesetting
3340 [23:58:54] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-modesetting on
amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.0-1; jessie: 0.9.0-2
3341 [23:59:08] <a_duck> i've got an xorg conf file in
xorg.conf.d, i'm still getting segfaults unfortunately
3342 [23:59:23] <a_duck> oh, i thought i was
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3344 [23:59:40] <somiaj> hmm, my memeory must be faailing me,
guess they put the modesetting driver as default in xorg, and it
isn't a seaperate package anymore.
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