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• 129[00:27:53] <hundred100> Hi. I installed deepin 15.11 in a machine that already had windows 10, but it won't dual boot. It's using UEFI, how can I fin it?
• 130[00:27:55] <hundred100> *fix
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• 135[00:28:15] <nkuttler> !deepin
• 136[00:28:16] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
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• 167[00:42:31] <annadane> i always thought deepin was a desktop environment
• 168[00:42:41] <annadane> i guess it is too
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• 173[00:44:36] <somiaj> often times these days, new desktop enviorments are part of custom distros, because a desktop enviorment is a large collection of software, and if the software you need isn't in the distro, you have to start making your own.
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• 177[00:46:11] <nkuttler> why package the software if you can just package the entire os
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• 180[00:48:00] <somiaj> or they do things that go against debian policy and it wouldn't make it in anyways
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• 183[00:48:19] <somiaj> lots of desktops want to be more windows like and have more direct control over things
• 184[00:48:53] <somiaj> But most likely one day deepin desktop will be in debian, to add to our ever increasing choice of desktops/windowmanagagers for people to use, or to fight over wich is the best
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• 186[00:50:12] <humpled> :v
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• 189[00:51:09] <iuiututa> sotlen
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• 191[00:52:16] <iuiututa> bich y get u in yhe pochet and and 1 sec anymore
• 192[00:52:46] <phogg> I increasingly find myself impressed by distros like ElementaryOS and Deepin which have a point of view and aren't trying to complete with Debian and other general-purpose distros. They're not for me, but they're more like what most people want out of an OS.
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• 196[00:53:10] <phogg> More power to them, I say. There's room for everyone.
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• 198[00:53:19] <annadane> iuiututa, can you please be more intelligible in general? your posts often don't make sense
• 199[00:53:33] <iuiututa> forguet
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• 201[00:54:00] <annadane> it's OK to not have english as a first language but some context behind your sentences would be nice
• 202[00:54:22] <somiaj> phogg: that is partly how linux mint started out too, they focused on nice clean desktop, I think that is where we got cinniomon from
• 203[00:54:35] <iuiututa> i am in my home
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• 206[00:55:31] <iuiututa> concernwd with keys in my apartmentnt
• 207[00:55:40] <BazookaTooth> somiaj: yup. now they use ubuntu it seems and still hold certain packages back as usual
• 208[00:56:21] <BazookaTooth> whatever works. they have the most solidified desktop experience ever
• 209[00:56:50] <somiaj> Yup, and debian benifits from this indirectly too, not only do they help improve the debian packages they use, as it matures, the whole desktop is now in debian and many use it
• 210[00:57:11] <somiaj> based on debian is good for the open source ecosystem, even if we don't directly support it here
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• 213[00:57:30] <BazookaTooth> glad you stayed on the positive side of those comments
• 214[00:57:31] <humpled> solidified?!
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• 217[00:59:20] <BazookaTooth> humpled: every other distro that tries to make a uniform desktop experience across environments pretty much copied mint. they do it so well
• 218[00:59:27] <iuiututa> gonna post in so what 2 way comunicattion
• 219[00:59:29] <phogg> somiaj: a nice clean desktop isn't the same as what I call "having a point of view." Distributions which act as curators for the firehose, which say "There are a lot of ways it could work, but you're here because you like the one way we picked." A bit like OS X in that regard, not because they behave the same way but because they picked one point of view and tried to apply it everywhere.
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• 222[00:59:55] <phogg> somiaj: once you package two different DEs you're in the general purpose game
• 223[01:00:09] <somiaj> or the 'unviversial os' game. (:
• 224[01:00:17] <somiaj> wait, that is what happens when you package 6 DEs
• 225[01:00:25] <BazookaTooth> ha
• 226[01:00:26] <humpled> unviversial?
• 227[01:00:29] <phogg> somiaj: Yeah. That's the game which interests me, but it's become clear that it's not what people generally want.
• 228[01:01:19] <phogg> humpled: Debian is billed as the universal OS.
• 229[01:01:20] <somiaj> humpled: most likely, I don't get along with the english language
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• 232[01:01:37] <phogg> More like the universal base OS, IMO, which make's Deepin's use perfectly cromulent.
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• 236[01:02:23] <BazookaTooth> yeah english isnt their first language so let's use big words? wtf
• 237[01:02:40] <somiaj> well english is my first and only language, so I don't have that excuse.
• 238[01:02:53] <iuiututa> buch y r
• 239[01:03:03] <phogg> iuiututa: can you not
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• 241[01:03:30] <iuiututa> i am mild
• 242[01:03:42] <iuiututa> tets ,e
• 243[01:03:51] <somiaj> iuiututa: your signal to noise ratio is basically zero, improve that.
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• 246[01:04:12] <BazookaTooth> that guy is usually on way stonger unfluentials than me so.. have fun
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• 249[01:05:45] <iuiututa> baby
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• 253[01:06:54] <iuiututa> bona get me
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• 270[01:12:37] <BazookaTooth> somiaj: assuming they're still grounded on earth.. may not be able to. sometimes people need to be muted
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• 273[01:13:13] <somiaj> BazookaTooth: Yup, I hopping it doesn't come to that point, but multiple users have pointed out they mostly add noise.
• 274[01:13:32] <BazookaTooth> just mute for 10 minutes
• 275[01:13:35] <BazookaTooth> easy
• 276[01:13:52] <BazookaTooth> he wont even notice
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• 281[01:17:05] <BazookaTooth> takes one to know one.. he's going to cycle channels and usually miss everything that had a shred of intelligence. the trick is if you mute faster, he's going to cycle channels and do whatever faster and it doesnt disrupt the channel
• 282[01:17:08] <gkwhc> hi guys, one of the packages im trying to install depends on libboost-serialization1.65.1 but on my machine 1.67.0.1 is installed. how can i resolve this issue?
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• 286[01:18:21] <BazookaTooth> he's still going to run around looking for conversation and the muting mitigates it so..
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• 288[01:18:34] <gkwhc> one is in buster and the older one is in stretch :/
• 289[01:18:57] <BazookaTooth> good luck with him tho
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• 299[01:22:46] <BazookaTooth> have a question about buster compared to stretch.. is anyone using that portuguese build of kodi on stretch for arm stuff like pi?
• 300[01:22:49] <annadane> i've heard of this issue before
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• 305[01:25:50] <BazookaTooth> i'm not going to ask ask about the buster build because i have no idea who this is and i don't speak portuguese but.. these guys are bing poked as the one to use for buster kodi
• 306[01:26:23] <BazookaTooth> hello e key
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• 309[01:28:01] <BazookaTooth> we just moved a bunch of clients to buster.. and as usual debian didn't do its homework
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• 312[01:28:58] <BazookaTooth> none of the digital signage works because you broke the hell out of kodi
• 313[01:29:51] <BazookaTooth> there is that portuguese one.. but i am not going to drop that on clients
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• 318[01:30:40] <BazookaTooth> /rant.. got til monday
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• 322[01:32:06] <BazookaTooth> annadane: say nothing
• 323[01:32:24] <annadane> ?
• 324[01:32:38] <annadane> was responing to gkwhc
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• 327[01:33:19] <BazookaTooth> just didnt want immediate comments unless you looked, since you responded
• 328[01:34:02] <BazookaTooth> it's ugly and easy to rectify but..
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• 331[01:35:20] <BazookaTooth> yup sorry
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• 336[01:35:36] <annadane> i've seen conflicting boost dependencies before, that's what i meant
• 337[01:35:39] <annadane> not sure what you're talking about
• 338[01:35:42] <somiaj> BazookaTooth: have you checked the change log or bug reports on Kodi. It could be no one ran into this issue during testing and thus it was overlooked.
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• 342[01:36:08] <somiaj> BazookaTooth: also if you could provide us some info like the output of the commands that give you these conflicts, this can help.
• 343[01:36:55] <BazookaTooth> somiaj: i use kodi in production digital signage work so yes
• 344[01:37:09] <BazookaTooth> when it breaks.. bad things
• 345[01:37:18] <BazookaTooth> buster borkee as hell
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• 348[01:37:59] <BazookaTooth> we have these emergency flash things.. >:|
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• 356[01:41:58] <somiaj> you should track down what is broken and submit a bug if there isn't one.
• 357[01:42:18] <BazookaTooth> :) look at your deployment configs and make sure they match
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• 359[01:42:20] <somiaj> If it is deemed bad enough (sounds like it) and fixable, it might make it into a point release if there is a bug.
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• 361[01:42:47] <somiaj> I don't know enough about your issue (since I don't use kodi), but report a bug is the first step
• 362[01:42:52] <somiaj> (if you can't find one already)
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• 364[01:43:08] <BazookaTooth> it's fixxie-ish but someonee may have followed my example whcih is another problem
• 365[01:43:44] <somiaj> well best of luck, sorry to hear it broke things so badly, but I'm heading home from the office for the day
• 366[01:43:47] <BazookaTooth> yopu know how y ou walk into a wendy's and see all the video panels?
• 367[01:44:08] <BazookaTooth> that's kinda what i do
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• 369[01:44:26] <BazookaTooth> i we get an exp once but sshh
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• 372[01:45:12] <BazookaTooth> problems with small groups of poeple.. need to reach out
• 373[01:45:48] <BazookaTooth> typing fast and waiting so the bot doesnt kick me
• 374[01:46:24] <BazookaTooth> debian works like 80% of the time
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• 390[01:56:40] <BazookaTooth> best suggestion someone whispered me.. use a powerpoint
• 391[01:57:22] <BazookaTooth> not really any reason for video for this crap anyway
• 392[01:57:46] <BazookaTooth> happy thanks..
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• 424[02:09:10] <iuiututa> run not apto theis get * no /not so ever/ /fofguet
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• 430[02:12:09] <iuiututa> sweat
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• 438[02:15:45] <annadane> iuiututa, please stop
• 439[02:15:47] <iuiututa> my own is my bitch
• 440[02:15:48] <annadane> just stop
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• 442[02:15:53] <annadane> you're not helping anybody
• 443[02:16:08] <annadane> unless you have a debian question, or want to contribute to somebody else's question, keep quiet
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• 446[02:17:53] <iuiututa> bich take me 2 step fuck to my apartmente
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• 449[02:18:15] <iuiututa> u r so fuckwd
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• 451[02:18:17] <annadane> !ops iuiututa
• 452[02:18:18] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: annadane complains about a problem (see above)
• 453[02:19:12] <EdePopede> not sure if the message even reached the recipient....
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• 455[02:20:00] <iuiututa> i almost lots my apart
• 456[02:20:02] <LtL> EdePopede: it did, but supplying a reason helps.
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• 459[02:20:44] <iuiututa> fucku i in
• 460[02:21:14] <iuiututa> with some eggs
• 461[02:21:24] <EdePopede> LtL: i meant the one before the !ops line. there's a break of 1.5 hours starting 3 hours ago. just compare the text before and after that period of silence. something changed then.
• 462[02:22:13] <annadane> well, anyway, i'll add to ignore list
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• 466[02:22:48] <LtL> EdePopede: I see what you mean.
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• 471[02:24:11] <iuiututa> my poket and keys is all the way
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• 477[02:25:17] <EdePopede> iuiututa: boa noite.
• 478[02:25:20] <iuiututa> people master pocket
• 479[02:25:32] <humpled> :D
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• 484[02:27:46] <iuiututa> laugh
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• 486[02:28:16] <iuiututa> its a problem for me
• 487[02:28:53] <iuiututa> social
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• 489[02:29:07] <iuiututa> problem
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• 498[02:31:50] <iuiututa> y a are gone
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• 516[02:43:32] <annadane> is there a way to tell generically if a computer is too new to be supported by debian stable?
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• 523[02:49:43] <SerajewelKS> is there some tool in debian that will perform random-access reads from a block device for a specified amount of time?
• 524[02:50:20] <SerajewelKS> i have a old-ish HDD and i'm running badblocks on it to make sure that it's okay. periodically (every few minutes) it will click once or twice. it could be damage but it could also just be regular HDD seek noise. it's been so long that i've forgotten.
• 525[02:50:29] <SerajewelKS> i'd like a way to generate a lot of seeks so i can compare the noises
• 526[02:51:17] <woshty> SerajewelKS: And what is the specific amount of time about?
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• 528[02:51:41] <SerajewelKS> i mean "until SIGINT" would also be fine
• 529[02:54:18] <SerajewelKS> maybe bonnie++ would work well enough
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• 534[02:58:22] <woshty> SerajewelKS: it has a part where it seeks, yes .. i was asking myself if something else would work better
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• 537[03:00:31] <woshty> SerajewelKS: I remembered the name .. you could use fio, but it is complicated to set up
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• 588[03:55:37] <bitlan> hi, does anyone repair raid on HP P822 ?
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• 669[05:09:41] <tsal> Hey, I'm trying to report a bug using bugreport and wondering if "causes system instability" qualifies as a critical bug that "causes serious data loss".
• 670[05:10:59] <tsal> I'm inclined to say it does, but I'd like to have a second opinion
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• 678[05:20:45] <agris> Has Apache 2.2 always been so terrible at handling load?
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• 686[05:28:41] <jh001_> tsal: forgive me, but you can note nothing more specific?
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• 688[05:29:47] <tsal> jh001_: sure: The short version is: When I read from a zfs volume with SIMD acceleration enabled it causes system instability.
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• 690[05:30:24] <tsal> Unrelated programs segfault, FPU calculations return false results
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• 692[05:33:28] <annadane> tsal, don't worry too much about bug report designations. mark it critical and if it isn't they'll reassign it
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• 694[05:34:13] <annadane> hang on, let me see if i can get a page
• 695[05:34:38] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 697[05:34:54] <annadane> your bug sounds "critical" to me
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• 700[05:38:02] <tsal> Alright, I wasn't sure at first. Because it wouldn't cause data loss directly, but there is a high potential of data loss when a system behaves that way.
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• 834[08:38:17] <Mdlpe> I do not understand. I use Debian 10 Xfce4. I want to change my desktop background. I tried to access to another folder where I have my background stored. I can go to the folder I want, but I can see the files, but I can't select any one. replaced-url
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• 844[08:46:57] <diogenes_> Mdlpe, you just add the folder and the pics will appear in the settings window.
• 845[08:47:17] <diogenes_> don't select a pic from the folder directly.
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• 847[08:49:00] <blackbart> When using journalctl --follow, is there a way to get it so that the terminal doesn't jump to the bottom when I get new output when I am scrolled up reading previous output?
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• 849[08:51:33] <Mdlpe> diogenes_: I don't see any option to add the folder on the window
• 850[08:52:29] <diogenes_> blackbart, journalctl --follow | more or journalctl --follow | less
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• 852[08:54:10] <jadax> hey, I'm using gcsf to mount google drive, this one: replaced-url
• 853[08:54:16] <jadax> do you know how I could add it to fstab?
• 854[08:54:23] <jadax> I want auto mounting feature
• 855[08:54:25] <Mdlpe> diogenes_: ok I added the folder. But no image available
• 856[08:55:43] <diogenes_> Mdlpe, for instance, i have a wallpappers folde in /opt, so here s how i add it, first you click here: replaced-url
• 857[08:55:53] <diogenes_> then here: replaced-url
• 858[08:56:23] <diogenes_> as you click open, it should appear in Fond D'ecran.
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• 861[08:57:04] <diogenes_> jadax, try gnome-disk-utility
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• 871[09:00:10] <blackbart> (sorry for asking again, I got disconnected) When using journalctl --follow, sometimes I scroll up to read output but my terminal jumps to the bottom if there is new output, is there a way to prevent that?
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• 874[09:00:31] <diogenes_> <diogenes_> blackbart, journalctl --follow | more or journalctl --follow | less
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• 877[09:01:23] <blackbart> diogenes_: oh cool, I thought piping to less wouldn't keep the output flowing
• 878[09:02:02] <blackbart> thanks diogenes the dog
• 879[09:02:28] <diogenes_> blackbart, you're welcome and how did you recognize me? lol
• 880[09:03:13] <blackbart> oh, I know all your stories ;)
• 881[09:03:46] <diogenes_> haha nice to hear that someone remembers.
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• 883[09:05:17] <Mdlpe> diogenes_: This what I done and do not works here. Anyway, I found a workaround but the wallpaper selection have a bug on my system. I got a big crash with Xfce two days ago. I need to make a new user to solve it. (no more right click on the mouse etc). How I can report a bug on Debian ?
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• 888[09:08:24] <diogenes_> !bug
• 889[09:08:25] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
• 890[09:08:44] <diogenes_> Mdlpe, ^^
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• 908[09:24:46] <treeshateorcs> hey guys, has anybody installed Debian from a hard drive? I downloaded win32-loader but I also need firmware for my wifi card
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• 910[09:24:56] <treeshateorcs> I don't have a usb stick
• 911[09:25:20] <Mathisen> use your phone
• 912[09:25:56] <treeshateorcs> I can't :( my phone is a USB type C one, and my laptop doesn't have a USB type C
• 913[09:26:52] <Mathisen> ok, an usb stick costs like 5€ not that hard to get. but anyway do you have any other linux installed ?
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• 916[09:27:58] <treeshateorcs> you don't know my situation.. no I don't, only windows 10
• 917[09:28:19] <treeshateorcs> btw I installed this windows from within an Arch installation last week
• 918[09:29:49] <Mathisen> ok, i never installed any linux dist from just windows booting from a hd. so not sure then. i was thinking the chroot way
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• 920[09:29:56] <Mathisen> someone else may know
• 921[09:30:01] <treeshateorcs> okay, I think I've figured it out. I see a firmware folder in the root of my C:\ (after installing win32-loader), I will just put the firmware there and it should work, right?
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• 930[09:33:43] <treeshateorcs> strangely this image doesn't have firmware replaced-url
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• 955[09:51:35] <borrougagnou> Hi ! I have a problem, I looking for how to connect HDMI to my Debian 9 with XFCE4
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• 970[10:06:55] <antto> borrougagnou what's the problem?
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• 973[10:10:45] <borrougagnou> I can't connect my computer to HDMI port antto
• 974[10:10:58] <borrougagnou> xrandr say me "disconnected" to HDMI
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• 976[10:12:52] <antto> so, you have a monitor with HDMI, and your computer has HDMI output?
• 977[10:13:24] <borrougagnou> yes
• 978[10:13:40] <borrougagnou> but my HDMI isn't detected
• 979[10:14:11] <borrougagnou> xrandr --listproviders say me only "provider 0"
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• 983[10:16:45] <borrougagnou> xrandr say me "HDMI1 disconnected, HDMI2 disconnected" (I have only 1 HDMI port)
• 984[10:16:46] <antto> hm, well, does the monitor have other inputs besides HDMI, like, VGA/DisplayPort/DVI ? it could be paying attention to one of those
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• 987[10:17:02] <borrougagnou> yes, and My VGA port work perfectly
• 988[10:17:11] <antto> okay
• 989[10:17:37] <antto> are the VGA and HDMI outputs on the computer part of the same video card?
• 990[10:18:35] <borrougagnou> no
• 991[10:18:58] <antto> okay, this might be a clue then
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• 993[10:19:57] <borrougagnou> my VGA is on Intel UHD Graphic and my HDMI is on NVIDIA
• 994[10:20:25] <antto> the intel video is integrated into the motherboard?
• 995[10:20:38] <borrougagnou> yes...
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• 997[10:21:30] <antto> i'm not fully sure if having both integrated and non-integrated video work together is possible
• 998[10:21:58] <antto> on most of my old machines, you gotta select one from BIOS, the other one is disabled
• 999[10:22:19] <borrougagnou> it's not an old computer
• 1000[10:22:33] <antto> but if both are "working" in your case, then the next question is whether you have sufficient drivers for the nvidia
• 1001[10:22:51] <borrougagnou> IDK
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• 1008[10:25:44] <antto> borrougagnou there's some info on the debian websites (on the wiki and perhaps elsewhere) about nvidia
• 1009[10:26:20] <antto> there are multiple driver options usually, a free driver with hard to spell name, and non-free drivers from nvidia
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• 1014[10:27:18] <antto> if you only connect an HDMI monitor to that PC, and reboot it - do you see things on it? like, BIOS loading up, grub..?
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• 1016[10:28:38] <antto> i'd also check what options there are in BIOS, just don't touch settings which you aren't fully sure about
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• 1018[10:29:28] <borrougagnou> :/
• 1019[10:29:39] <antto> another common thing is to websearch for "debian10 nvidia-XYZ" change the versions and models to match yours
• 1020[10:29:52] <antto> and see what comes up
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• 1023[10:30:41] <antto> damn, all the clever people are sleeping still
• 1024[10:30:52] <antto> it's too saturday-ish today
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• 1026[10:31:32] <borrougagnou> yes
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• 1029[10:31:49] <antto> stick around, they'll wake up eventually
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• 1033[10:33:55] <borrougagnou> okay
• 1034[10:34:17] <diogenes_> borrougagnou, what's the issue?
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• 1036[10:34:54] <antto> he has integrated intel video with VGA that works, and he also has an nvidia with HDMI which "doesn't work"
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• 1038[10:35:18] <antto> i think he wants them to work at the same time for two screens
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• 1040[10:35:59] <diogenes_> nvidia or nouveau?
• 1041[10:36:31] <antto> he doesn't know
• 1042[10:36:59] <diogenes_> lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
• 1043[10:37:56] <borrougagnou> I use nouveau (by default)
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• 1045[10:38:52] <borrougagnou> VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile) [8086:3e9b] Kernel driver in use: i915
• 1046[10:38:59] <diogenes_> borrougagnou, take a look at this: replaced-url
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• 1051[10:40:25] <antto> yeah, i haven't done anything like that.. o_O
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• 1053[10:40:46] <antto> i recently bought a radeon r5 230, it has VGA/DVI/HDMI, i use it with DVI only, the integrated intel is disabled (it has VGA and DisplayPort)
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• 1057[10:42:15] <borrougagnou> I need to reboot so I try
• 1058[10:42:36] <diogenes_> antto, it's easy if you have bios option to pick which card to use, if you don't have it, becomes difficult.
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• 1060[10:43:08] <antto> i do, but i've assumed that on my (old) machines you can thus only use one video device
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• 1062[10:43:51] <antto> i'm debianing on a dell optiplex 760 smallformfactor
• 1063[10:45:09] <antto> and the 1920x1200 monitor so far is big enough, i got another computer on the same desk with a 1280x1024 monitor, two keyboards, two mice, and a cat
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• 1068[10:47:57] <diogenes_> lol the cat is cool.
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• 1070[10:49:23] <antto> she sits in front of the keyboard, now recently she crashes on the mouse and her butt presses keys on the keyboard >:/
• 1071[10:50:08] <antto> out of 39280823 places she could be in the house..
• 1072[10:50:38] <diogenes_> she is the boss.
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• 1076[10:53:48] <antto> yeah
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• 1234[12:11:40] <uio> Hi, I want to use inconsolata with LaTeX. I installed fonts-inconsolata, but LaTeX is not detecting it. Do I have to do texlive-fonts-extra? There are a lot of things I don't want in there. replaced-url
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• 1249[12:19:19] <uio> To rephrase the question, how can I tell which package in the meta-package texlive-fonts-extra actually contains inconsolata.sty?
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• 1258[12:22:41] <uio> How does fonts-inconsolata not contain inconsolata.sty?
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• 1260[12:23:24] <nkuttler> !search
• 1261[12:23:24] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
• 1262[12:23:28] <nkuttler> !apt-file
• 1263[12:23:29] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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• 1269[12:24:54] <uio> nkuttler, I already searched inconsolata on debian.org.
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• 1275[12:27:32] <uio> !pdo
• 1276[12:27:33] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 1277[12:27:40] <uio> o
• 1278[12:27:52] <uio> Okay. I did that.
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• 1289[12:33:16] <uio> Is there no finer-grained view of a packages contents?
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• 1292[12:35:53] <uio> apt-file search is giving texlive-fonts-extra: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/inconsolata/inconsolata.sty, but I want to know what sub-package in texlive-fonts-extra contains inconsolata.sty.
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• 1343[12:59:43] <uio> Is there actually *no* way to tell where inconsolata is in the 1G of texlive-fonts-extra??
• 1344[12:59:53] <uio> I'm astonished.
• 1345[13:00:32] <rudi_s> uio: Sub-Package? It's a single debian package.
• 1346[13:01:40] <rudi_s> So no, if you want to use the regular package you have to install it.
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• 1349[13:01:51] <uio> rudi_s, Ah. So there is just a mega package of 1G? No way to target the .sty?
• 1350[13:02:54] <uio> I guess the real question is 'how do I install one LaTeX package on Debian.
• 1351[13:03:01] <uio> rudi_s, Thanks for the insight.
• 1352[13:03:03] <rudi_s> uio: Yes.
• 1353[13:03:14] <rudi_s> And you cannot if you want to use the regular Debian packages.
• 1354[13:03:28] <rudi_s> However, 1G is normally not an issue on modern systems.
• 1355[13:03:34] <uio> I wish Debian and LaTeX could get along.
• 1356[13:03:48] <uio> rudi_s, right... just seems like overkill for a font...
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• 1362[13:05:38] <rudi_s> Well ..
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• 1470[14:11:34] <TwistedFate> hi, do i need to have iucode-tool if i don't have an intel cpu?
• 1471[14:11:41] <TwistedFate> or anything intel, for that matter
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• 1487[14:19:37] <jmcnaught> TwistedFate: I also do not have an Intel CPU but I leave it installed because who knows, one day I might want to transplant that drive to another computer. Besides, you're going to save a couple of megabytes at most.
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• 1490[14:20:03] <TwistedFate> jmcnaught: i don't want intel's proprietary code on my system
• 1491[14:20:23] <BCMM> TwistedFate: iucode-tool is in contrib
• 1492[14:20:41] <BCMM> TwistedFate: it's not proprietary code; it just isn't very useful unless you're using it with proprietary code
• 1493[14:20:58] <TwistedFate> it also had intel-microcode installed, but i removed it
• 1494[14:21:09] <BCMM> source here replaced-url
• 1495[14:21:29] <jmcnaught> Do you have amd64-microcode installed?
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• 1499[14:22:19] <TwistedFate> jmcnaught: yes
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• 1503[14:24:56] <jmcnaught> Well just remember to install intel-microcode if you do ever move the drive to a computer with an Intel CPU. Personally I find it easier to leave it installed than need to remember stuff like that.
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• 1505[14:25:43] <TwistedFate> do i need iucode-tool if i don't use intel?
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• 1507[14:25:53] <TwistedFate> dunno if it's also being used for amd microcode
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• 1509[14:26:24] <jmcnaught> amd64-microcode would depend on it if that were the case
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• 1547[14:39:37] <GuiltySpark343> On a newly installed debian, my internet just stopped working. I disabled networking.service and trying to work it out with systemd-networkd, but nothing works.
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• 1550[14:40:18] <GuiltySpark343> I'd install network-manager, but since I don't have connectivity...
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• 1552[14:41:08] <mossylane> what does 'ip addr show' say?
• 1553[14:41:46] <mossylane> you might have to configure the network manually somehow, but I'm not up to speed with systemd yet
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• 1558[14:43:08] <GuiltySpark343> Wait a minute, I replaced /etc/hosts with a version from a different distro
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• 1560[14:43:44] <GuiltySpark343> Can someone paste me their default /etc/hosts?
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• 1563[14:44:35] <mossylane> looking at mine, I guess you can leave /etc/hosts empty
• 1564[14:44:44] <mossylane> mv hosts hosts.backup
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• 1566[14:45:05] <mossylane> mine has only two entries for localhost and localhost6
• 1567[14:45:32] <GuiltySpark343> Ok, I'll try
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• 1573[14:47:23] <mossylane> what does 'systemctl status network' say?
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• 1577[14:48:30] <mossylane> I really should be less lazy learning about systemd, I don't even now how to show the logs
• 1578[14:48:35] <humpled> is that different from networking.service?
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• 1581[14:49:00] <mossylane> it exists on my machine and says its for 'network.service - LSB: Bring up/down networking'
• 1582[14:49:15] <mossylane> maybe: systemctl start network ?
• 1583[14:50:44] <GuiltySpark343> mossylane: sorry for not responding quickly, I'm trying multiple things
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• 1586[14:51:04] <mossylane> take your time :) its weekend
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• 1590[14:52:52] <GuiltySpark343> mossylane: and systemctl status networking.service shows no errors
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• 1593[14:53:42] <mossylane> hmm
• 1594[14:54:16] <GuiltySpark343> I've installed debian for just 2 hours now and I'm starting to regret it :(
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• 1602[14:55:40] <mossylane> afk visitors, sorry
• 1603[14:56:59] <jmcnaught> GuiltySpark343: can you provide more detail about what you've tried? Are you trying to make systemd-networkd work still, or are you using /etc/network/interfaces?
• 1604[14:57:38] <GuiltySpark343> jmcnaught: switched to /etc/network/interfaces + networking.services now
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• 1607[14:58:27] <TwistedFate> GuiltySpark343.. H-Halo?
• 1608[14:58:46] <GuiltySpark343> TwistedFate: yep
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• 1611[14:59:06] <TwistedFate> GuiltySpark343: i can't wait until it comes to Steam
• 1612[14:59:37] <TwistedFate> One of my favorite games from my childhood
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• 1616[15:00:15] <jmcnaught> GuiltySpark343: are you using DHCP?
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• 1619[15:00:49] <GuiltySpark343> jmcnaught: systemctl status shows DHCP triggering
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• 1623[15:02:29] <jmcnaught> GuiltySpark343: you can find your interface name if you don't already know it with "ip a" command, then you can temporarily get a DHCP lease with "dhclient <interface>".
• 1624[15:03:06] <GuiltySpark343> jmcnaught: already tried that
• 1625[15:03:34] <jmcnaught> GuiltySpark343: see I don't know all the stuff you tried which is why I asked…
• 1626[15:03:47] <jmcnaught> what happens when you try that?
• 1627[15:03:58] <jmcnaught> what other things did you change besides your /etc/hosts file?
• 1628[15:04:12] <GuiltySpark343> jmcnaught: says sending "DHCPDISCOVER on <> to 255.255.255.255"
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• 1633[15:04:52] <jmcnaught> And did networking work at first? During the installer?
• 1634[15:05:04] <GuiltySpark343> jmcnaught: right now it's something similar to this replaced-url
• 1635[15:05:10] <GuiltySpark343> Yes, it did
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• 1637[15:06:40] <GuiltySpark343> Trying some rescue mode stuff
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• 1641[15:07:05] <jmcnaught> ok
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• 1677[15:30:04] <SoulEater> hey
• 1678[15:30:13] <SoulEater> friend
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• 1680[15:30:39] <SoulEater> hey
• 1681[15:30:40] <SoulEater> bro
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• 1683[15:31:00] <SoulEater> say something
• 1684[15:31:15] <SoulEater> .
• 1685[15:31:16] <SoulEater> .
• 1686[15:31:19] <SoulEater> bye
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• 1702[15:38:59] <GuiltySpark343> Nailed it. /etc/hosts was missing some ipv6 addresses bullshit
• 1703[15:39:21] <GuiltySpark343> Despite me turning ipv6 everywhere X_X
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• 1708[15:40:30] <]BFG[> ipv6 is dead, was a failed idea
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• 1711[15:40:37] <]BFG[> 20 years later still noone wants it
• 1712[15:40:53] <r0fl--> Hello. Is anyone else having issues running libreoffice on debian 10?
• 1713[15:40:55] <]BFG[> fuck remember 128 bit addresses, maybe robots not humans
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• 1724[15:45:00] <dgp> ]BFG[: There's this new thing called DNS. You should try it out sometime
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• 1727[15:46:17] <r0fl--> I am getting the error (typed, sorry for any typo): /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libuno_sal.so.3: version 'libo_udk_6.1' not found (required by /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libmergedlo.so)
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• 1732[15:47:44] <mtnman> elho
• 1733[15:47:51] <BCMM> r0fl--: how did you install libreoffice?
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• 1737[15:48:19] <r0fl--> BCMM, I did the netinstallation
• 1738[15:48:38] <r0fl--> This is debian 10 stable with the latest backport kernel
• 1739[15:48:48] <BCMM> r0fl--: i mean, you got libreoffice from debian's repos using apt, right?
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• 1742[15:48:54] <mtnman> how can dpkg-reconfigure tzdata be run by a script?
• 1743[15:48:55] <r0fl--> BCMM, yeah
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• 1746[15:49:09] <BCMM> and "netinstallation" is just how you installed debian?
• 1747[15:49:20] <r0fl--> BCMM, yes
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• 1750[15:49:56] <r0fl--> It was installed during the installation
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• 1752[15:50:13] <r0fl--> I tried purging and autoremoving but I am still getting the same error
• 1753[15:50:53] <BCMM> r0fl--: do you have a ~/.config/libreoffice/ directory?
• 1754[15:51:08] <r0fl--> yes
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• 1757[15:51:38] <BCMM> r0fl--: can you try deleting or moving that and see if it loads after that?
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• 1759[15:52:18] <BCMM> apparently it could be related to trying to load an extension or something
• 1760[15:52:46] <r0fl--> BCMM, ok, I just rm -rf'd the directory but it's still the same error
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• 1766[15:56:03] <BCMM> r0fl--: is everything up to date at the moment? (e.g. `apt update && apt full-upgrade`)
• 1767[15:56:33] <r0fl--> BCMM, yes
• 1768[15:56:51] <BCMM> r0fl--: hmm i'm mostly out of ideas.
• 1769[15:57:03] <BCMM> found this on google but it doesn't really seem like that would be the relevant package replaced-url
• 1770[15:57:03] <r0fl--> Ok BCMM , thanks anyway :)
• 1771[15:57:24] <diogenes_> r0fl--, pastebin sources.list.
• 1772[15:57:28] <BCMM> resintalling uno-libs3, which actually owns the file, might be worthwhile
• 1773[15:57:38] <r0fl--> diogenes_, apt's?
• 1774[15:57:49] <diogenes_> yes
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• 1780[15:59:13] <r0fl--> diogenes_, replaced-url
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• 1784[16:00:29] <diogenes_> maybe this is what causes the issue: deb replaced-url
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• 1786[16:00:48] <diogenes_> you got some libs from backports that broke something.
• 1787[16:00:51] <r0fl--> Yeah, I needed the latest kernel for amd graphics
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• 1795[16:01:12] <diogenes_> that's the only thing i can think of that could have cause the issue.
• 1796[16:01:34] <diogenes_> because from main repo, there is no issue with libreoffice.
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• 1803[16:03:27] <r0fl--> I think that the only packages I got from the backports were the kernel and some firmware packages
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• 1809[16:06:18] <diogenes_> another thing might be the net install, i bet you won't have any issues if you install from the live iso.
• 1810[16:06:45] <r0fl--> ok diogenes_, thanks. I am going to give it another try tomorrow
• 1811[16:06:59] <BCMM> r0fl--: it's easy enough to check what backports package you have installed replaced-url
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• 1815[16:07:13] <BCMM> but in any case backports really really should not ship packages that break stuff in main
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• 1817[16:08:45] <r0fl--> BCMM, it seems uno-libs3 is there
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• 1820[16:09:26] <BCMM> r0fl--: but other libreoffice stuff isn't?
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• 1825[16:09:54] <r0fl--> BCMM, replaced-url
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• 1828[16:10:31] <BCMM> r0fl--: hmm, that's quite a list of backports packages. any idea how that happened?
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• 1833[16:12:01] <BCMM> r0fl--: anyway, that's bound to be the problem - i'm sure it's expected that people won't install that from bpo unless they're also getting libreoffice itself from there. you should downgrade uno-libs3 to the stable version
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• 1835[16:12:26] <BCMM> apt-get install uno-libs3/stable
• 1836[16:12:52] <BCMM> or `apt-get install uno-libs3/buster`, rather
• 1837[16:13:58] <r0fl--> BCMM, I had to build a driver, I'm not if it's related. Downgrading now
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• 1841[16:18:34] <ghoti> So .. I'm trying to make a router. I found a tutorial that helped me build a script to set up everything I need in iptables, repeatably. It works, but I am certainly "doing it wrong" by running this script either from /etc/rc.local or from a @reboot schedule in cron. Where should I be setting up my firewall rules?
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• 1843[16:20:18] <BCMM> ghoti: you could use iptables-persistent
• 1844[16:20:57] <BCMM> or one of the several methods mentioned on replaced-url
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• 1846[16:21:36] <ghoti> BCMM: again, I'm not sure how to configure that .. but if it means not storing my rules in a script, I'd be concerned that I can't use change control on it. (I like to keep configs in a vcs if I can.)
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• 1849[16:21:48] <ghoti> I'll check that URL and perhaps ask more questions, thanks.
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• 1852[16:23:51] <kunningd> hello after flushing iptables and restoring from a file my ipv4 configuration starts with -P INPUT ACCEPT -P FORWARD ACCEPT -P OUTPUT DROP and my configuration goes after
• 1853[16:24:13] <kunningd> does the -P override my configuration and if it does should I remove those rules?
• 1854[16:24:46] <r0fl--> BCMM, it works now, thank you!
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• 1871[16:28:32] <ghoti> BCMM: ok, looks ike iptables-persistent will do basically what I want. Is there a strong sense that this is the "right" way to handle this in debian? Will I be hassled by beardos if I stick with one of the ways I'm doing this now?
• 1872[16:28:46] <BCMM> i don't really know
• 1873[16:29:02] <ghoti> I do like having the rules stored in an actual *script*, so that I can add extra automation, rather than a static rule file.
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• 1878[16:30:41] <ratrace> ghoti: just keep in mind that if you script it, instead of using a rules file for iptables-restore, it's not atomic
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• 1880[16:31:08] <BCMM> ghoti: well, if the ifupdown hooks approach should work for that
• 1881[16:31:48] <BCMM> ghoti: see the bit on the wiki where it suggests putting a trivial script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables? you could just put your whole script in there, to have it run any time the network starts
• 1882[16:31:56] <BCMM> assuming you're using ifupdown
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• 1932[17:12:22] <ghoti> BCMM: ya, looks like tying things into ifupdown makes sense. Thanks very much for the pointer.
• 1933[17:12:35] <BCMM> good luck!
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• 1935[17:13:05] <ghoti> Thanks! Coming from a FreeBSD background, I'm just getting my feet wet with this type of configuration in debian.
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• 1997[18:11:07] <nikodem> Hi I have a problem with audio through displayport with non-free nvidia drives on buster
• 1998[18:11:21] <nikodem> in pavu control all profiles appear as unplugged
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• 2001[18:12:15] <nikodem> but in nvidia x server settings says that displayport audio is available for my monitor
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• 2003[18:12:53] <nikodem> can you help with that or there's nothing i can do?
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• 2013[18:26:45] <SerajewelKS> nikodem: it's possible that the hardware doesn't actually support it... i'm not sure though. i just know there are some HDMI/DisplayPort cards that don't actually support audio
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• 2039[18:45:13] <pigeta> hello
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• 2041[18:45:23] <pigeta> i just install my debian
• 2042[18:45:34] <pigeta> cant set up my wifi
• 2043[18:45:37] <[sr]> howdy, i got into a big problem, installed systemd, and forgot ctgroup support in kernel,
• 2044[18:45:47] <pigeta> i can use only ethernet cable
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• 2046[18:46:02] <[sr]> anyway it shoulnd't be allowed to be installed, ot at least check if kernel has support, rebooted and now don't have system
• 2047[18:46:15] <pigeta> already follow the wiki i dont know where is my mistake
• 2048[18:46:23] <[sr]> how could i swap from systemd to sysv in offline? i have the partition mounted in another system
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• 2343[20:05:03] <jelly> !qotd0
• 2344[20:05:03] <dpkg> <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there
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• 2347[20:06:21] <jim> why does that one get slot 0?
• 2348[20:06:43] <jelly> 0 is a random pick.
• 2349[20:06:53] <jim> oh ok
• 2350[20:07:05] <jelly> !qotd0
• 2351[20:07:05] <dpkg> -<-Freenode-staff-member->- [Global Notice] Hi all, terribly sorry to bother you again but regardless of how much hairdye I go through, I can't get away from being blonde. Needless to say, my previous global resulted in inadvertedly ddosing the machine hosting the blog and website. Please try again later and for now, call me Homer and watch me Doh!
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• 2485[22:02:27] <ndorf> so this is interesting. apt-get update is running update-initramfs after a kernel update. after that, it runs the "sync" command, where it's been stuck for the past 11 hours
• 2486[22:02:46] <ndorf> i'm pretty sure this is because i have a long-running `dd` to another, unrelated disk at the same time
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• 2488[22:03:04] <ndorf> so the question is, shouldn't the update-initramfs trigger sync only the /boot filesystem, not all of them?
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• 2490[22:04:06] <treeshateorcs> I can't find the kvmgt kernel module anywhere, in ANY package
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• 2492[22:04:57] <woshty> ndorf: there might not be separate /boot file system
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• 2494[22:07:25] <ndorf> why does that matter?
• 2495[22:07:31] <ndorf> then it would sync the root filesystem
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• 2497[22:07:39] <ndorf> -f, --file-system
• 2498[22:07:39] <ndorf> sync the file systems that contain the files
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• 2500[22:08:05] <ndorf> the point is, there doesn't seem to be any reason to wait to sync unrelated filesystems, or in this case, not even a file system (just writing to the raw device)
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• 2533[22:26:28] <Mdlpe> I do not understand why I have this result : find /home/marco -name ".pdf" -print
• 2534[22:26:30] <Mdlpe> find: ‘/home/marco/.thunderbird/Pending Pings’: Permission non accordée
• 2535[22:26:49] <Mdlpe> and no result
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• 2539[22:28:30] <mihi> Mdlpe, -name "*.pdf"
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• 2541[22:28:46] <mihi> assuming you are not actually searching for a hidden file named ".pdf"
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• 2543[22:29:51] <mihi> (and if you don't want to see the permission denied errors, 2>/dev/null)
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• 2545[22:30:20] <Mdlpe> mihi: yes I see. But the find stops because the folder .thunderbird I was th owner but the group was wrong
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• 2547[22:31:13] <mihi> Mdlpe, it did not stop, it just could not search inside that folder so it prints an error to stderr.
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• 2549[22:31:28] <mihi> it does continue searching elsewhere
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• 2551[22:32:10] <Mdlpe> mihi: ok I understood
• 2552[22:32:32] <Mdlpe> Why the result begin by ./ and the name of the folder
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• 2554[22:33:46] <mihi> the result should begin with the path you gave to "find". So if you "find . -name ..." the results start with ., and if you do "find /home -name ...", the results start with /home
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• 2556[22:34:22] <Mdlpe> mihi: thanks for this information
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• 2562[22:38:29] <mihi> Mdlpe, in case you want "the starting point under which is was found removed" (quoted from "man find"), you can use -printf "%P\n"
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• 2564[22:39:08] <mihi> but usually it is better to have it included, since otherwise xargs or other pipelines may give unexpected results
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• 2566[22:40:35] <kunningd> that permission error is from a file available only to a group with permissions Mdlpe
• 2567[22:40:45] <kunningd> you can try running the same command with sudo
• 2568[22:40:52] <kunningd> sudo find etc.
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• 2570[22:41:06] <kunningd> and you dont need the print in the end
• 2571[22:41:29] <kunningd> -name '*.pdf'
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• 2600[23:04:08] <Mdlpe> kunningd: it was the a permission problem. But find stops and do not return any result. I change the group of the folders and now it's fine
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• 2604[23:10:06] <Mdlpe> time to sleep, bye and thanks to every body
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• 2632[23:31:42] <docsnuggles> Hello! Can someone give me a hint how to translate "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m string --algo bm --to 700 --string "FOOBAR" -j ACCEPT" into nftables syntax?
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