• 0[00:00:17] <\g> To be fair, all of my interactions with Dell support have been great. Definitely better than Lenovo's at least
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• 21[00:13:37] <tinga> I don't understand how to add a new binary to, say, /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator (with update-alternatives).
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• 23[00:14:17] <tinga> "update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator term /opt/chj/bin/term 1" does not work
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• 27[00:17:52] <tinga> "update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator x-terminal-emulator /opt/chj/bin/term" didn't work either, and I might have completely messed it up now. No idea.
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• 40[00:21:33] <tinga> If I can't figure out how something works it must be broken.
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• 71[00:34:12] <tinga> So, I fixed it by removing /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator and then "update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator x-terminal-emulator /opt/chj/bin/term 1"
• 72[00:34:42] <tinga> Now I don't understand why a tool that has 2800 LoC (of C) does not have proper docs or can't catch situations that make it break down.
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• 75[00:35:27] <tinga> Because it's certainly(tm) not me.
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• 81[00:38:12] <urk> Looks like your suggestion with respect writing the disk worked, and I am now booting into Debian on the new laptop. However, don't know which ethernet card to select, and the install program isn't detecting it. I am installing from the unofficial source so the firmware should be on here.
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• 89[00:42:27] <urk> Doesn't look like either one of the Realtek drivers works.
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• 94[00:45:18] <urk> Doesn't look like this is an Orinoco either. I tried all four, and non were detected.
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• 96[00:47:17] <sney> urk: you can look at the info console by pressing alt-f4 in the installer, that may give you more information. I think the shell prompts (alt-f2 or f3) have lspci in the environment as well, so you can find out what ethernet controller this is.
• 97[00:47:32] <sney> if it still doesn't work with the image written correctly, your hardware may be too new for the firmware/kernel in buster. at that point you can either install using a dvd offline installer and set up the network later, or install bullseye instead.
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• 99[00:50:35] <urk> sney> thanks
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• 101[00:51:30] <urk> sney> Alt F4 won't pull up the consol. I am locked into the screen that says "no ethernet card was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your Ethernet card, you can select it from the list.
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• 103[00:51:56] <sney> if you're in the graphical installer, it's ctrl-alt-f4.
• 104[00:52:01] <urk> sney> I have looked on the net, and tried selecting different ones that other users indicated they had, and none worked. Apparently Dell uses many different cards for this year, and model.
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• 109[00:52:34] <sney> that's common, good thing we have tools like lspci.
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• 111[00:54:15] <urk> Looks like it is an Orinoco, but not the drivers bundled with Debian. Probably best to skip the drivers for now, install the rest of the OS, and come back for them after the install.
• 112[00:54:33] <urk> How do I get out of the console?
• 113[00:54:40] <sney> alt-f1 will take you back
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• 115[00:55:45] <urk> I now have an error message indicating please fix the fbdev driver didn't call "number" to initialize the gamma values.
• 116[00:56:11] <urk> HOw do I fix the fbdev DRIVER "4"???
• 117[00:56:20] <sney> that's a developer warning, can you skip past it?
• 118[00:57:00] <urk> sney> How do I get out of the nag screen describing the developer warning?
• 119[00:57:16] <sney> I never use the graphical installer so I don't know. try things
• 120[00:57:39] <urk> I will look online for an Astrologer : )
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• 123[00:58:29] <urk> Maybe an Excorcist expert might work as well.
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• 125[00:59:20] <sney> try pushing enter or clicking elsewhere on the screen. or just reboot and start the installer process again, if you were just setting up the network you were still in the beginning
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• 127[01:01:09] <SponiX> urk: so it only took 2 days to get you to write the image properly ? LOL
• 128[01:01:56] <urk> The world was not created in a day. haha
• 129[01:02:10] <urk> And it might take longer to get out of the console.
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• 133[01:04:37] <urk> ok, I am now at the ~#, but not sure to get back to the install screen. I shouldn't have used the graphical installer.
• 134[01:05:52] <sney> it's on one of your ttys, which you switch with alt-fX, so try different combos of alt and F keys until you find it.
• 135[01:06:01] <urk> Figured it out. Its Ctrl Alt F5. Most of the commands all require Cltl & Alt.
• 136[01:06:03] <sney> I thought it was f1 but the graphical might put it somewhere else.
• 137[01:06:08] <sney> there you go.
• 138[01:06:22] <SponiX> urk: you can always reboot and use the text basted installer.. BUT normally the graphic installer not working properly is a bad sign
• 139[01:06:38] <SponiX> based
• 140[01:07:16] <sney> nothing is "not working properly" it's just the 3 stooges leading the blind in here
• 141[01:07:32] <SponiX> LOL
• 142[01:07:46] <SponiX> I will stay out of it then. I'm lucky to help myself most of the time
• 143[01:07:54] <urk> I'm now partitioning the disk.
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• 145[01:09:02] <urk> I have guided (use entire disk), guided (use entire disk and set up?\).LVM, and guided (use entire disk and set up encrypted lvm). What are the advantages to the three options?
• 146[01:09:19] <sney> read the hints in the parentheses, they tell you what those are for
• 147[01:09:28] <sney> there is more information in the install guide as well
• 148[01:09:29] <sney> !ig
• 149[01:09:29] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
• 150[01:09:36] <urk> What is LVM?
• 151[01:09:42] <sney> !lvm
• 152[01:09:42] <dpkg> [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (replaced-url
• 153[01:10:06] <urk> Does the encrypted volume manager affect performance?
• 154[01:10:12] <sney> no
• 155[01:11:28] <urk> I got a problem. Install program is not detecting the hard drive, and only detecting my Patriot install disk.
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• 158[01:13:18] <sney> between that and the nic, it sounds like your hardware is too new for buster.
• 159[01:13:39] <urk> sney> This is a 2019 laptop, and refurbished.
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• 161[01:14:14] <urk> sney> You recommend testing for now? I don't like the idea of running anything but stable.
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• 164[01:15:06] <sney> right, well, if buster won't install then it seems like you don't have much choice.
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• 166[01:15:51] <urk> I have lots of memory sticks so I could explore running Debian Testing. Hopefully someone will work on adding the Dell XPS 15 7590.
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• 170[01:17:19] <sney> replaced-url
• 171[01:17:22] <urk> How can I make a recommendation to OPS about this situation? Dell has made a number of changes to the hardware since 2018 so this doesn't surprise me. ONe thing I do like about this laptop is that it is flamingly bright. I hate dim screens.
• 172[01:17:32] <sney> OPS?
• 173[01:18:51] <urk> ok, I will boot back into Windows on the new system and download it. The system I am talking to you from now is too old, and too slow for doing this type of stuff. The new XPS is an enormously powerful computer, maybe too powerfull what I am doing. It has a 6 core processor, and can easily handle most tasks if the processor is throttled in half with one of the two 16 gb modules removed.
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• 175[01:20:32] <urk> How difficult is it to upgrade from Bullseye to Buster?
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• 183[01:28:15] <sney> the buster->bullseye upgrade is straightforward, mostly automatic. there were some upgrades getting stuck going from gcc8 to gcc10, but you probably won't install gcc right away on a new system, and that problem has supposedly been fixed anyway
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• 223[01:53:54] <urk2> sney> Can your resend the link you provided earlier for Debian Testing? It isn't showing up in the new laptop.
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• 225[01:55:26] <abrotman> replaced-url
• 226[01:55:30] <abrotman> urk2: that one?
• 227[01:56:31] <urk2> Is that the most recent? Is is reasonably stable?
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• 229[01:58:35] <urk2> Is this unofficial? I have firmware that needs to be installed.
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• 232[02:00:40] <abrotman> yes, it's unofficial
• 233[02:00:45] <abrotman> (because it has firmware)
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• 249[02:23:42] <urk> sney> Well some bad news. Debian testing isn't detecting my hard drive either. I am not wild about Debian unstable, but that might be the only option, assuming it even is an option.
• 250[02:24:45] <urk> Looks like the Debian development team has some work to do.
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• 252[02:25:50] <urk> Does anyone know if Debian unstable supports the Dell XPS 15 7590 (2019 vintage)?
• 253[02:26:36] <urk> I'm going to take a dinner break, and back in 45 minutes.
• 254[02:26:48] <urk> I'm depressed. I wanted to run Debbie.
• 255[02:27:11] <urk> Is this the best channel to get the attention of the developers?
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• 258[02:31:54] <imMute> urk: debian developers? no. best way in the mailing lists or bug tracker.
• 259[02:32:05] <themill> testing and unstable have the same versions of the key packages. What sort of hard drive is it, it would be unusual to not detect it
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• 263[02:36:49] <urk> inMute> I assume this is on the Debian website?
• 264[02:37:57] <queip> !pastebin
• 265[02:37:57] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
• 266[02:38:33] <urk> inMute> Laptop I have is pretty new, and though a 2019, it is still sold new by Dell as well as a 2020 and 2021 model which is quite different still. Dell has been going into overdrive with respect to updating its hardware. I like what they did with the screen in the XPS starting with 2019. Its like a Supernova.
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• 269[02:39:07] <queip> paste.debian.net kind of sucks, rejects a paste that happens to have links in them (anyway was set to unlisted...)
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• 271[02:39:35] <themill> people using pastebins to push spam kind of sucks too
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• 275[02:40:59] <urk> themill> What I don't like is that the spammers are not even selling something legitimate in the majority of the cases. They are there just get your credentials, and/or credit card number.
• 276[02:41:20] <urk> And since registering on the donotcall list I get more calls than ever. I'm convinced the spammers use the list to make calls.
• 277[02:42:10] <SponiX> urk: by registering to that list, you just confirmed your number is working for calls :)
• 278[02:42:40] * dvs get his fax machine
• 279[02:42:52] <urk> SponiX> Yes. . .
• 280[02:43:18] <queip> themill: no one "pushing spam" would do it with unlisted pastes now would they
• 281[02:43:30] <themill> queip: you're new here, aren't you
• 282[02:43:31] <urk> Congress should change FTC employees pay so that they are paid on commission for going after these people instead of a salary.
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• 284[02:44:47] <SponiX> okay, have to notice this is going off the rails. there is #debian-offtopic to continue the conversation(s)
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• 286[02:45:58] <scm> Hello, all.
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• 288[02:46:18] <SponiX> scm: welcome
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• 290[02:48:37] <lt> I've started istalling vym from repo and stucked with this error "dpkg: error processing package initramfs-tools (--configure):" " installed initramfs-tools package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1" not sure what it's or how to fix it! here is the complete log replaced-url
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• 292[02:49:57] <lt> ok, I think I go it .. no space left on the device
• 293[02:50:18] <scm> SponiX, thank you.
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• 295[02:50:56] <lt> it just has something to do qemu since there is more than 20G left on the filesystem
• 296[02:51:27] <lt> probably cause of creating virtual hdd(s)
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• 307[03:10:10] <urk> SponiX> There are a number of Debian lists. Which one is most suited for future OS development?
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• 310[03:12:14] <SponiX> urk: from my understanding everything starts off in unstable, and then works it way to testing, then stable
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• 312[03:15:04] <urk> I see lists for Volatile, Testing, and Stable.
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• 314[03:16:14] <urk> Actually the lists for Volatile ended 2012. However, there are recent lists for users.
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• 316[03:17:30] <dvs> volatile is now called buster-updates
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• 326[03:24:52] <urk> dvs> Where do you find it? I don't see buster-updates on the Debian Website.
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• 331[03:27:08] <notahackerlol> ?
• 332[03:27:45] <urk> I see references, and a number of entries for buster-updates, but no list.
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• 350[03:37:20] <BlakesSeven> jelly, Thanks again for your help this morning. I solved my problem....well no. I'm working around the problem.
• 351[03:37:35] <BlakesSeven> ratrace, You too man, thanks.
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• 355[03:39:31] <BlakesSeven> The issue is bus saturation. I'm running two 4 drive enclosures. Had one enclosure full and the other only had two drive. I took drive #4 out of the full enclosure and put it in as drive #3 in the other enclosure so they both have 3 drives. Getting speeds between 70MB/s & +100MB/s.
• 356[03:39:51] <BlakesSeven> At least right now. Who knows later.
• 357[03:40:40] <SponiX> BlakesSeven: who makes those ?
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• 359[03:41:17] <urk> Info I have read online suggest that Debian is not currently offering an official release of "sid", and that packages from it are placed into "testing" which is the only option for download except stable.
• 360[03:41:40] <BlakesSeven> SponiX, the enclosures? Mediasonic.
• 361[03:41:59] <SponiX> BlakesSeven: cool. I will make sure to never purchase any of those :)
• 362[03:42:13] <SponiX> urk: that seems to be an accurate statement
• 363[03:42:46] <SponiX> !sid
• 364[03:42:46] <dpkg> sid is, like, the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
• 365[03:43:55] <SponiX> testing/unstable: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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• 367[03:44:09] <SponiX> for anything beyond stable, you are on the wrong IRC network and channel
• 368[03:44:10] <BlakesSeven> SponiX, they're not bad enclosures for the price, but I did saturate the bus on one of the enclosures so transfer rates were suffering. ZFS is really putting them through their paces which I haven't used before.
• 369[03:44:48] <BlakesSeven> Never had a problem when they were just linear logical volume.
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• 371[03:51:06] <Lutin> !moo
• 372[03:51:06] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
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• 543[05:07:08] <SponiX> updates to my php7.3 decided to put my apache back on mpm_prefork, and mod_php instead of php-fpm... It really should ask me to keep more of my existing config, instead of just doing whatever it wants :)
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• 546[05:10:05] <notahackerlol> p sure you're supposed to backup your config before updating most things
• 547[05:11:30] <SponiX> notahackerlol: I did look off my backup - to get things back in order. It does remind me though that I need to do a fresh backup about NOW
• 548[05:11:46] <notahackerlol> nice
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• 551[05:13:41] <SponiX> odd, I have config in etc for a few browsers that I've never installed
• 552[05:13:50] <SponiX> I should probably check into that
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• 555[05:18:14] <notahackerlol> yea
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• 672[07:20:50] <hl521> Hey, I'm having issues with opendkim, it's stating that "start request repeated too quickly". Albeit I'm not sure if it's configured properly. I'm trying to go off of the guide replaced-url
• 673[07:21:41] <hl521> I would give more information, though I don't know what to add lol
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• 714[08:29:12] <jhutchins> hl521: This channel is more active during Euro/American business hours, you might try again then.
• 715[08:29:36] <hl521> jhutchins: yeah I assumed so lol I'll try again later
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• 723[08:44:50] <Taserface> always nervous that I'll type one letter wrong and then accidentally the whole thing
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• 733[08:59:03] <notahackerlol> lol
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• 740[09:07:18] <UncleKiwi> hi there - wondering about installing debian buster with ZFS on root - and im also wondering if there is any plans to build this into the installer
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• 746[09:16:23] <aminvakil> UncleKiwi: i doubt if there would be a plan as zfs has some license issues
• 747[09:16:26] <aminvakil> !zfs
• 748[09:16:27] <dpkg> ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (replaced-url
• 749[09:16:35] <aminvakil> !zfslicense
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• 751[09:18:01] <UncleKiwi> that's interesting and anoying, thanks for the info
• 752[09:18:42] <aminvakil> np, i thought there is a command for dpkg for that, but i don't know it
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• 815[10:23:28] <aminvakil> what's the command to retrieve current versions in repo using dpkg? i've tried v apache2 but it doesn't work
• 816[10:26:31] <nkuttler> aminvakil: you tried what?
• 817[10:26:53] <aminvakil> nonsense probably, i misremembered
• 818[10:27:08] <nkuttler> do you want to know the version of a package?
• 819[10:27:31] <aminvakil> i've seen a command which outputs versions of a package in different repositories
• 820[10:27:49] <nkuttler> apt policy
• 821[10:28:32] <aminvakil> well i knew about that, i didn't want to enable backports and retrieve using dpkg bot
• 822[10:28:39] <jandr> or apt show -a
• 823[10:29:11] <JackFrost> Different repos makes me think of rmadison.
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• 825[10:30:06] <aminvakil> i just wanted to know if apache version in backports is > 2.4.40, i knew at last from replaced-url
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• 827[10:30:29] <aminvakil> wondered if there is an easier way than searching in packages.debian.org :)
• 828[10:30:29] <JackFrost> ,v apache2
• 829[10:30:30] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u16; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u9; buster: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; buster-security: 2.4.38-3+deb10u4; stretch-backports-sloppy: 2.4.43-1~bpo9+1; buster-backports: 2.4.46-4~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.4.46-4; sid: 2.4.46-4
• 830[10:30:40] <jolt> aminvakil: apt-cache
• 831[10:30:40] <JackFrost> `rmadison apache2`
• 832[10:30:45] <nkuttler> there's also apt-cache madison apache2
• 833[10:30:58] <aminvakil> JackFrost: thanks! i tried that actually in private
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• 835[10:31:16] <aminvakil> in a private message with dpkg, didn't work
• 836[10:31:22] <nkuttler> oh, without local data..
• 837[10:31:29] <aminvakil> nkuttler: yes
• 838[10:31:31] <nkuttler> aminvakil: the bot is judd
• 839[10:31:51] <aminvakil> oops, thanks!
• 840[10:32:17] <JackFrost> aminvakil: unit193@Zeta:~$ rmadison apache2 → replaced-url
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• 843[10:35:17] <aminvakil> JackFrost: installing devscripts to use rmadison with --no-install-recommends needs 52 packages to be installed, judd is finer, thanks!
• 844[10:35:51] <JackFrost> aminvakil: Aha, yeah that makes sense! Though if perl libraries, they tend to be small. But yes, that indeed does work in that case.
• 845[10:36:07] <jandr> JackFrost, when you said "Different repos make me think of rmadison" at first I was thinking it reminded you of someone named rmadison here :P
• 846[10:36:29] <jandr> then I realized rmadison is a command... haha, something knew I learnt today.
• 847[10:37:01] <JackFrost> Madison, Brittney, uh...I think there used to be a 'Kate' or "katie"? Anyway.
• 848[10:43:08] <aminvakil> well i think i have a misunderstanding about backports
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• 851[10:43:37] <aminvakil> i thought backports are specific commits and patches (specifically bugfixes and maintenance updates) from new releases to older less changing releases
• 852[10:44:11] <aminvakil> so i'm not sure why buster-backports has 2.4.46 version of apache2 and buster is on 2.4.38
• 853[10:44:20] <JackFrost> Nope, it's "I want what's in testing, now!"
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• 855[10:45:05] <aminvakil> well wikipedia says: "Backporting is the action of taking parts from a newer version of a software system or software component and porting them to an older version of the same software."
• 856[10:45:11] <ratrace> aminvakil: there's two context of the term "backports". 1) patches are "backported" to code in Stable 2) <release>-backports is a repo where entire packages are backported from testing to (old...)stable
• 857[10:45:14] <aminvakil> seems definition is something else in debian:)
• 858[10:45:37] <ratrace> no, debian uses the word properly, it's always the context that matters
• 859[10:45:59] <ratrace> question is only _what_ you backport. whole package or individual patches
• 860[10:46:01] <JackFrost> Backporting patches or backporting a single or set of packages from unstable/testing to stable.
• 861[10:46:17] <aminvakil> ratrace: aha, now i see
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• 863[10:47:10] <ratrace> that said, the backports repo should be used carefuly and sparingly, as there's no promises for security fixes
• 864[10:48:00] <ratrace> as a case in point, the kernel in buster-backports is still 5.9. it's old, vunlerable and EOL'd for some time
• 865[10:49:04] <aminvakil> thank you very much ratrace, i'm trying to understand how debian works step by step
• 866[10:50:05] <JackFrost> linux-image-5.10.0-0.bpo.3-686 is actually the one in backports.
• 867[10:50:24] <aminvakil> yes, but i got the point
• 868[10:50:39] <JackFrost> Yes, sorry. Pedantic.
• 869[10:51:02] <aminvakil> i want to use md module from apache, and it only works with let's encrypt apiv2 from apache 2.4.40
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• 871[10:52:45] <ratrace> JackFrost: ah then that happened today
• 872[10:53:19] <JackFrost> ratrace: Might be the unsigned one, not entirely sure. Signing really slows things down for sure. :/
• 873[10:53:25] <ratrace> but that's terrible now ..... that will break zfs
• 874[10:53:40] <ratrace> JackFrost: no, no, I see it in policy
• 875[10:54:40] <ratrace> this just proves how untested and haphazard -backports releases are .....
• 876[10:55:11] <JackFrost> Another user in here noted that backporting zfs from testing is fine, no changes needed.
• 877[10:56:53] <ratrace> zfs is usually like that.
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• 879[10:57:08] <JackFrost> zfs is a bit of a redheaded stepchild, though.
• 880[10:57:14] <ratrace> worst case, you clone it from git and build, it'll work
• 881[10:58:26] <ratrace> JackFrost: (Open)ZFS is open sourced, DFSG-compliant package. it irks kernel upstream because of its origins as devs are (openly) angry at Solaris
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• 884[10:58:46] <ratrace> if it weren't for the latter, there wouldn't be much issues with zfs on debian
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• 925[11:46:54] <node1> How to compile bitkeeper from source in debian 10?
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• 928[11:49:20] <nug> Hey guys, can anyone tell me what this error means - replaced-url
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• 931[11:50:14] <shtrb> ,v bitkeeper
• 932[11:50:15] <judd> No package named 'bitkeeper' was found in amd64.
• 933[11:53:38] <nug> Can anyone tell me what this error means - replaced-url
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• 939[12:04:58] <shtrb> node1, is that package packaged for debian ?
• 940[12:05:47] <node1> I dont find in main contrib repository.
• 941[12:06:00] <ksk> node1: they offery binary releases for debian.
• 942[12:06:11] <ksk> Its not part of the Debian Project, it is third party software.
• 943[12:06:14] <node1> Not for 10 buster.
• 944[12:06:28] <ksk> that should raise some very red flags, then :)
• 945[12:06:41] <ksk> they only mention Debian 8, indeed - project ded then?
• 946[12:08:23] <node1> replaced-url
• 947[12:08:27] <ratrace> bitkeepr is long ded
• 948[12:08:51] <ksk> latest release on github is from 2017.
• 949[12:09:09] <ksk> and there only have been 20 commits (to master) since.
• 950[12:09:29] <ksk> node1: I would suggest using another version control system.
• 951[12:09:55] <node1> ksk, Thank's between what another version control system like?
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• 953[12:11:28] <ratrace> use git like the penguin gods intended
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• 955[12:11:59] <shtrb> lol
• 956[12:12:27] <shtrb> ksk , what's wrong with using git ?
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• 958[12:15:49] <phogg> there's no reason to prefer bitkeeper today, unless you have an existing project that uses it, or are doing a historical analysis of how we got to git
• 959[12:18:08] <ksk> shtrb: ask the guy who left :P
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• 975[12:37:16] <unborn> hi everyone.. does anyone know how to fix this error: locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
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• 978[12:42:13] <jandr> unborn, have you generated the locales?
• 979[12:42:22] <unborn> yes
• 980[12:42:34] <unborn> rebooted
• 981[12:42:38] <unborn> still no luck
• 982[12:42:53] <unborn> I have this issue on debian 10 only
• 983[12:43:07] <unborn> no de installed, just ssh and system base
• 984[12:43:19] <jandr> When locales errors arise, I tend to try dpkg-reconfigure locales, review that I have selected the one(s) I want, then choose the default, and locale-gen will be ran automatically
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• 986[12:43:42] <jandr> but if you already tried that, it must be something else
• 987[12:43:49] <unborn> jandr: done that
• 988[12:45:46] <Brigo> unborn, from what are you loggin in?
• 989[12:45:53] <Brigo> what os, i meant
• 990[12:46:13] <unborn> brigo debian 9
• 991[12:47:19] <Brigo> have you tried to do it by hand?
• 992[12:47:50] <unborn> Brigo: you mean? ah directly on the machine I am trying to login to?
• 993[12:48:31] <Brigo> in the command line. like export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8".
• 994[12:48:43] <Brigo> what is the output of locale command?
• 995[12:49:21] <unborn> Brigo: can that be en_GB.UTF-8 ?
• 996[12:49:34] <unborn> or it must be US..?
• 997[12:49:49] <Brigo> i was just an example, it has to be your desired locale
• 998[12:50:13] <unborn> Brigo: no output
• 999[12:50:25] <phogg> there is never output for successful variable assignment
• 1000[12:50:26] <Brigo> try if it something changed
• 1001[12:50:38] <Brigo> try if something changed
• 1002[12:51:12] <unborn> okay, I will reboot just to be sure that if anything changed it will be still there
• 1003[12:51:33] <Brigo> unborn, don't do that!
• 1004[12:51:42] <unborn> already done
• 1005[12:51:43] <unborn> eh
• 1006[12:51:56] <Brigo> if you reboot the last command effect will be erased.
• 1007[12:52:49] <Brigo> write the command again, then and try if the cosole where you write it is in the rigth language. What different could you see from US to GB english in a console i wonder ...
• 1008[12:52:50] <unborn> Brigo: should on remote machine where I am trying to log in export >>~/.bash_profile ?
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• 1010[12:53:24] <Brigo> unborn, i don't know what is in that file, so can't tell.
• 1011[12:53:50] <Brigo> just make what i am asking for, please so we can gain some insight.
• 1012[12:54:10] <unborn> Brigo: yes after redo the command I think the error message went away
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• 1015[12:54:42] <Brigo> unborn, can you see any actual difference in the language?
• 1016[12:54:58] <unborn> Brigo: there should be nothing, its just clean install I just installed system and updated..
• 1017[12:55:50] <Brigo> what is the output of locale command?
• 1018[12:56:09] <unborn> Brigo: output is still same except there is no complain any more.. looks like this replaced-url
• 1019[12:56:15] <Brigo> you can paste it in paste.debian.net.
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• 1022[12:57:22] <unborn> Brigo: replaced-url
• 1023[12:58:05] <Brigo> unborn, locales are find, it looks like the locale files are not there, how do you generate them? with locale-gen?
• 1024[12:58:57] <diogenes_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
• 1025[12:59:07] <Brigo> s/find/fine/ i forgot how to write.
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• 1028[13:02:10] <unborn> Brigo: replaced-url
• 1029[13:02:26] <unborn> but basically dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 1031[13:03:56] <Brigo> unborn, something is wrong, replaced-url
• 1032[13:04:29] <unborn> yes that's log how I did it in first place
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• 1035[13:06:52] <Brigo> unborn, the output of locale should be always the same. In your last paste: you are generating locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8, but you are using in the system "en_US.utf8", they have to match. You could gen both.
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• 1037[13:07:22] <unborn> Brigo: no that's what I get when generating GB
• 1038[13:07:43] <unborn> I can redo whole stuff if you want and paste out what I get
• 1039[13:08:44] <unborn> I never had that issue before, and if it was it was simple to fix it but for some reason on debian 10 - i got struggling with this
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• 1041[13:09:58] <unborn> Brigo: also right after update dkpg-reconfigure locales gave me output: bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
• 1042[13:10:10] <Brigo> unborn, you are generatin en_GB.UTF-8 with locale-gen en_GB.UTF-8, but just below you can see the configured locales are "en_US.utf8" they don't match and they have to. The system is telling you, you are trying to use "en_US.utf8", but they are not generated. so generate it or configure it for en_GB.UTF-8
• 1043[13:10:26] <unborn> so I had to do export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin and then reconfigure locales worked
• 1044[13:10:48] <Brigo> unborn, are your disks working right?
• 1045[13:11:26] <Brigo> what do you mean with update dkpg-reconfigure locales?
• 1046[13:11:34] <unborn> Brigo that's what I get when I generate en_GB.UTF-8
• 1047[13:13:40] <unborn> Brigo: I mean this.. this is 1st thing after re installation for the 3th time as I knew there will be issue with locales again. replaced-url
• 1048[13:14:06] <Brigo> unborn, the more you tell me the less i understand. You have lost PATH variable. That's imposible at least the disk is failing or you change something.
• 1049[13:14:34] <unborn> Brigo: you mean it can be failing hdd?
• 1050[13:14:49] <section1> he is using 'su' and not 'su -'
• 1051[13:14:51] <ratrace> !buster su
• 1052[13:14:51] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
• 1053[13:14:54] <Brigo> it is the only explanation i can think about .
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• 1055[13:15:13] <unborn> read last pasteeh
• 1056[13:15:29] <Brigo> section1, that't why he lost PATH, ok.
• 1057[13:15:36] <diogenes_> unborn, so what the actual issue is? (sorry i wasn't here from the beginning).
• 1058[13:15:36] <unborn> oh.. so when want to log into root I should use su -
• 1059[13:15:39] <unborn> ?
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• 1061[13:15:50] <section1> yeah unborn
• 1062[13:15:57] <Brigo> section1, no, he is working as root.
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• 1064[13:16:10] <Brigo> section1, well, you may be right.
• 1065[13:16:23] <unborn> diogenes_: locales.. Brigo as on output you can see Im logged in as root
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• 1067[13:16:34] <Brigo> unborn, you should use it alway. I always used su -.
• 1068[13:16:56] <diogenes_> unborn, so what you want your locales to be set to?
• 1069[13:17:00] <Brigo> s/alway/always
• 1070[13:17:26] <unborn> diogenes_: en_GB
• 1071[13:17:28] <Brigo> section1, good point there :)
• 1072[13:17:54] <section1> Brigo, :)
• 1073[13:18:55] <diogenes_> unborn, pastebin: 1) locale -a 2) cat /etc/locale.conf 3) cat /etc/default/locale
• 1074[13:19:38] <unborn> eh something changed once I logen in as su -
• 1075[13:19:44] <unborn> one sec I will send paste
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• 1078[13:20:26] <Brigo> XD, section1 definitely
• 1079[13:21:19] <unborn> diogenes_: replaced-url
• 1080[13:21:25] <unborn> all commands in that paste
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• 1082[13:21:57] <Xalys> I'm trying to use 'override_dh_installsystemd' in my debian/rules file (tried compat levels 7-11) but it seems to be getting ignored: the service is not being installed, and there is no mention of the override at all in mkbuild output... Am I missing something here?
• 1083[13:22:05] <velix> greycat: I think jdebp had to change .eu to .info because UK-citizens aren't allowed to use .eu anymore.
• 1084[13:23:07] <Brigo> velix, damn brexit.
• 1085[13:23:33] <velix> Brigo: it was their wish ;)
• 1086[13:23:54] <velix> I had plant-based chicken nuggets yesterday again. They were great.
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• 1088[13:24:13] <unborn> diogenes_: here is raw view replaced-url
• 1089[13:24:17] <diogenes_> unborn, run sudo nano /etc/locale.conf and paste in there the following: replaced-url
• 1090[13:24:52] <unborn> diogenes_: /etc/locale.conf is empty
• 1091[13:25:06] <diogenes_> open the link and paste there the content.
• 1092[13:25:19] <velix> (k
• 1093[13:25:20] <velix> ook
• 1094[13:25:26] <velix> damnit sorry.
• 1095[13:25:27] <Brigo> diogenes_, i don't have /etc/locale.conf in my system either and it is working fine.
• 1096[13:26:35] <unborn> okay, shall I reboot?
• 1097[13:27:04] <diogenes_> after that run: nano /etc/default/locale and make it look like this: replaced-url
• 1098[13:27:50] <diogenes_> after all done, pastebin: 1) cat /etc/locale.conf 2) cat /etc/default/locale
• 1099[13:31:38] <unborn> diogenes_: replaced-url
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• 1102[13:32:04] <diogenes_> run: update-locale
• 1103[13:32:09] <diogenes_> notice any errors?
• 1104[13:32:29] <unborn> diogenes_: nope... no output
• 1105[13:32:37] <diogenes_> log out and back.
• 1106[13:32:42] <diogenes_> and it should be fine.
• 1107[13:33:14] <unborn> no reboot?
• 1108[13:33:40] <diogenes_> yok give a reboot then, most certain.
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• 1112[13:35:12] <unborn> btw diogenes_ do you have any idea why dpkg-reconfigure locales command did not worked for me? is it perhaps because I was login into system as su and not as su -?
• 1113[13:35:47] <diogenes_> unborn, yes, because by default su doesn't hape /usr/sbin PATH.
• 1114[13:35:55] <diogenes_> have*
• 1115[13:35:57] <wsky> yes, you need root PATH
• 1116[13:36:13] <wsky> either su - or sudo su
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• 1118[13:37:52] <unborn> ah what idiot I am
• 1119[13:38:21] <Brigo> unborn, well, it is a change in debian 10, so you just didn't know.
• 1120[13:38:35] <Brigo> it worse in my case, i did know and forgot :)
• 1121[13:38:46] <unborn> so how to remove export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin from su which I did changed eh
• 1122[13:39:09] <diogenes_> unborn, it's temporary so when you log back it's gone.
• 1123[13:39:12] <Brigo> unborn, it was remove when you reboot.
• 1124[13:39:14] <unborn> I did not know about the change.. just put it down to my documentation
• 1125[13:39:51] <Brigo> i have been using su - from the dawn of time. That's why the change doesn't affect me.
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• 1127[13:40:32] <unborn> oh lucky me.. diogenes_ and Brigo thank you very much!
• 1128[13:40:52] <diogenes_> you're welcome
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• 1135[13:46:20] <Brigo> unborn, np. :)
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• 1217[15:18:04] <neoclust> hi
• 1218[15:18:27] <neoclust> i have a small question, i use cowbuilder and in my debian/rules i download some files
• 1219[15:18:29] <neoclust> it fails
• 1220[15:18:46] <neoclust> Temporary failure in name resolution.
• 1221[15:19:10] <neoclust> i tried to cat /etc/resolv.conf in my debian/rules, it returns nothing
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• 1223[15:19:20] <neoclust> and i tried a ping 8.8.8.8
• 1224[15:19:30] <neoclust> ping -c 5 8.8.8.8
• 1225[15:19:32] <neoclust> connect: Network is unreachable
• 1226[15:19:37] <neoclust> does someone got an idea ?
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• 1229[15:21:41] <neoclust> and if i chroot in the base.cow and cat /etc/resolv.conf i can see the file filed
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• 1248[15:45:40] <jelly> neoclust, building software shouldn't, in general, access things over the network
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• 1251[15:46:20] <jelly> but try ask in #packaging over on irc.oftc.net if this channel is quiet
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• 1298[16:30:36] <hendursaga> So I have a Solo Key (v1) and the docs here replaced-url
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• 1300[16:31:30] <greycat> ,v libu2f-udev
• 1301[16:31:31] <judd> Package: libu2f-udev on amd64 -- buster: 1.1.9-1; bullseye: 1.1.10-3; sid: 1.1.10-3
• 1302[16:31:34] <greycat> TIAS
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• 1315[16:50:15] <hendursaga> Meh, still had to make custom rules. I guess Bullseye might have it
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• 1420[18:40:50] <mutantturkey> i am trying to create a custom profile for a service with apparmor, so I have set it in 'concern mode'. But I'm having trouble debugging the results. there are many entries in my audit log that contain " requested_mask="wk" denied_mask="wk"
• 1421[18:41:25] <mutantturkey> so does that mean I should add "wk" to that path in my app armor profile for this executable? (w is write, k is file lock
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• 1428[18:45:54] <mutantturkey> rather, does it only list thing sthat it would have denied in 'complain' mode? i am trying to elimiate any issues it's having from starting
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• 1577[20:47:42] <HelloShitty> Hello. I have 2 accounts in my laptop which is using Debian Buster. The problem is that sometimes, my second account kinda gets muted and I can't make it have sound again. I have to restart my laptop to get the sound back. Is there any way I reboot the sound driver/system/whatever instead of rebooting the laptop ?
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• 1580[20:49:19] <HelloShitty> I'm using pulseaudio but I don't know very well how this works. I also use alsamixer sometimes to check what is going on, if there is any channel mutted or something
• 1581[20:49:34] <HelloShitty> but inthis second account, nothing seems to work that brings the sound back
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• 1609[21:12:21] <HelloShitty> I'm using XFCE, tw
• 1610[21:12:29] <HelloShitty> s/tw/btw
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• 1621[21:27:07] <EdePopede> HelloShitty: i had some issues with PA, systems under heavy load for some time sometimes start behaving in a weird way. had it once spamming the logs with attempts to reconnect. iirc i just killed it and when i opened a video in mpv it just returned. or maybe i had to restart it, but pretty sure i just had the manpage to look for options and the like (and the old instance of course)
• 1622[21:27:59] <EdePopede> right now, and so probably usually, it is /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
• 1623[21:28:19] <EdePopede> also probably that's how i restarted it later.
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• 1625[21:28:55] <EdePopede> though i wouldn't be surprised if systemd would have something for it now
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• 1631[21:33:30] <tosted> hi
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• 1633[21:34:01] <sney> hi
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• 1644[21:38:54] <bopeep> hello
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• 1665[22:02:52] <HelloShitty> EdePopede: I'll try in a few minutes
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• 1688[22:09:58] <foul_owl> How do I run memtest on video ram?
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• 1690[22:11:01] <Brigo> foul_owl, you have to install it and run it from grub menu
• 1691[22:11:19] <sney> on *video* ram I think there would be a different utility
• 1692[22:11:36] <Brigo> oh, yes, sorry, i read too fast :)
• 1693[22:11:51] <Brigo> is it posible? i didn't know that
• 1694[22:12:07] <sney> for nvidia gpus with the cuda stuff installed, apparently: replaced-url
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• 1697[22:14:26] <Brigo> i found glxinfo | egrep -i 'device|memory'
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• 1715[22:21:57] <foul_owl> Thank you, I will try that
• 1716[22:22:17] <foul_owl> I do have an nvidia card with cuda
• 1717[22:22:34] <foul_owl> Basically I get garbage on the screen when switching window focus
• 1718[22:22:54] <foul_owl> Like window flicker etc
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• 1721[22:23:14] <foul_owl> Either a bug with xorg or my card is bad
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• 1739[22:34:40] <bopeep> Sharing the following re: logo/branding history: replaced-url
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• 1747[22:40:56] <grantdb> Hey all I was wondering if I should change my sources file now? replaced-url
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• 1749[22:41:23] <grantdb> just wondering because I use some backports
• 1750[22:41:28] <sney> grantdb: looks fine to me. change it for what?
• 1751[22:41:56] <grantdb> well I keep hearing about the "freeze" and worry that I might screw somthing up
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• 1754[22:42:26] <sney> the freeze affects bullseye, the next debian release. buster users are not affected.
• 1755[22:42:46] <grantdb> so right now my sources is good?
• 1756[22:43:01] <sney> yes
• 1757[22:43:34] <grantdb> then after the Debian update to the next version I should look at changing things?
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• 1762[22:44:56] <sney> grantdb: right, though buster will have LTS until 2024 so you can take your time
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• 1768[22:48:49] <grantdb> sney: even the backports thing
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• 1770[22:51:21] <grantdb> sney: Thank you for helping me I really appreaciate you!
• 1771[22:51:23] <sney> grantdb: np
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• 1776[22:53:51] <milkt> is "the unlicense" DFSG-complaint? it is not listed in replaced-url
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• 1778[22:55:28] <jhutchins> milkt: What is your actual goal?
• 1779[22:55:52] <sney> since the unlicense's first line releases the software into the public domain, this probably applies: replaced-url
• 1780[22:56:26] <milkt> jhutchins: mostly out of curiosity, and just considering to add my own package to debian someday
• 1781[22:56:48] <milkt> sney: thanks
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• 1787[23:04:48] <foul_owl> How do I reset nvidia config? I seem to be in some sort of bad state where I can't save an xorg config file, it includes a bunch of gibberish metamodes
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• 1789[23:05:07] <foul_owl> I'm not sure how the nvidia config is saving this info if not in the xorg config itself, which I tried nuking
• 1790[23:05:34] <foul_owl> I get errors now every time I try to save the xorg config file
• 1791[23:05:37] <foul_owl> I just want to start from scratch
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• 1803[23:12:35] <dvs> Whoa! What's with all the security updates? Did Heartbleed come back???
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• 1806[23:14:28] <legonick> ratrace, high latency is killing my SSH connection...is there any way to improve speeds?
• 1807[23:15:14] <sig_9> get a better router
• 1808[23:15:17] <legonick> 700 ms latency == 13 second SSH login/exit.
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• 1810[23:16:03] <legonick> time ssh -i SSH_KEY_HERE SSH_SERVER_HERE 'exit'
• 1811[23:16:03] <legonick> real 0m13.472s
• 1812[23:16:03] <legonick> user 0m0.029s
• 1813[23:16:03] <legonick> sys 0m0.014s
• 1814[23:16:28] <legonick> sig_9, it's over a satellite link...long distance, router won't help. :(
• 1815[23:16:36] <sig_9> oh that blows
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• 1844[23:45:42] <jhutchins> legonick: Move the satellite closer.
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• 1847[23:46:06] <bru> You might need a rope for that
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• 1851[23:47:15] <jhutchins> legonick: Which provider?
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• 1862[23:57:56] <legonick> jhutchins, SES.
• 1863[23:58:45] <legonick> Hmmm any reason why "ssh -4 ..." would be so much faster than no "-4"? Demanding an IPv4 shaves like 7 seconds off my SSH times.
• 1864[23:59:36] <urk> I am getting an error that two two file systems are assigned to the same mount point (/opt): /dev/nvmeOn1p14 and /dev/nvmeOn1p15. How do I correct this problem? I'm just finishing up setting up my file system for a new Debian Linux install. I finally got the install to recognize the drives on my XPS 15 7590, and determined I had to uncheck the RAID setting in the bios before running the install.
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