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4[00:05:38] <N3X15> sine0, the PXE images might have something
like that, but designed more for automatic provisioning
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5[00:05:55] <N3X15> probably via chef/puppet/salt/etc
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11[00:08:02] <N3X15> Searching for "headless install"
also has other ideas
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23[00:15:13] <Scriptonaut> DHowett: not only that, but they
were out of the cheap usb drives, so I was forced to get a really
fancy usb 3.1 one for $20. But then the lady discounted it to $5.
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90[00:50:56] <ian___> is fedora more stable than debian
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91[00:51:47] <annadane> assuming you mean "stable" as
in "stability" (things don't suddenly stop working),
likely not
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92[00:51:57] <annadane> fedora is rolling, AFAIK
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93[00:52:09] <annadane> debian packages have been through a
longer testing process, assuming one uses debian stable
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94[00:52:42] <annadane> debian "stable" refers to
features being frozen, not how likely it is to break
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98[00:56:09] <snufft> Hi eveyone :) I'm in need of this
package:
replaced-url
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100[00:56:43] <annadane> snufft, none of those mention
jessie-backports
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101[00:57:24] <snufft> annadane: ahh. I had thought that Jessie
was all-encompassing, I'm relatively new to Debian :)
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102[00:57:25] <annadane> what actual release are you on, jessie?
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103[00:57:48] <snufft> annadane: Stretch, afaik
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104[00:57:49] <annadane> you can see that all those packages say
"jessie" mean you ought to just be able to apt install it
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105[00:58:02] <annadane> what does cat /etc/debian_version say?
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106[00:58:22] <snufft> 9.4 :)
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108[00:58:47] <annadane> so you are on stretch, and that package
is not in stretch, but it is in sid, so you might be able to
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109[00:58:48] <annadane> !ssb
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110[00:58:49] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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111[00:58:52] <annadane> or
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112[00:59:00] <annadane>
replaced-url
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114[00:59:52] <annadane> (ssb standing for "simple sid
backport")
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115[01:00:00] <snufft> thanks heaps annadane! i'll get my
read on :)
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119[01:00:32] <annadane> which is different from
debian-backports (jessie-backports, jessie-backports-sloppy,
stretch-backports) in that the packages in actual
"official" backports have a more rigorous criteria
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121[01:00:56] <RoyK> we need a smart bot that barks at people
asking about testing/sid in here
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124[01:01:12] <annadane> stretch isn't testing/sid though?
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125[01:01:29] <RoyK> no, it's stable
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126[01:01:42] <annadane> i just thought you meant in response to
the most recent question
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127[01:01:44] <RoyK> just a general reflection
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130[01:01:47] <annadane> ah.
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133[01:02:04] <annadane> well, we already have humans doing the
barking and other humans trying to offer more moderate views :P
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146[01:08:25] <annadane> snufft, also it's worth reading
the instructions on how backports work on backports.debian.org, if
you were trying to add jessie-backports specifically to get that
package
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148[01:08:33] <annadane> it doesn't work like that
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154[01:11:40] <ian___> i have real problems setting up wpa
internet on a no-DE debian install
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155[01:12:11] <ian___> but i want to install the lite version of
kde (which SHOULD be default imo)
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181[01:34:40] <Logg> ian___, try wicd. it's a DE
independent network managment gui
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197[01:47:00] <n_blownapart> hi I think I deleted a whole slew
of dependency files with autoremove. I was trying to install neovim.
how to check the extent of the damage? thanks
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199[01:47:26] <n4dir> n_blownapart: as far i can tell there
shouldn't be any damage.
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200[01:47:41] <annadane> n_blownapart, less
/var/log/apt/history.log
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201[01:47:43] <n4dir> well: for sure not any serious one.
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202[01:48:38] <n_blownapart> n4dir, thanks really? I had a
problem with hexchat.. a weird blue strip in the input box. I just
installed some gnome 3 dependency files as per online suggestion,
and that fixed it....
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203[01:49:10] <n_blownapart> so I figure other stuff got removed
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205[01:50:13] <n4dir> the man page says: autoremove is used to
remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy
dependencies for other packages and are now no longer needed.
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206[01:50:30] <n4dir> so autoremove should only remove stuff
which isn't needed anymore.
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207[01:50:41] <annadane> well, that's literally true but in
practice...
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208[01:50:53] <annadane> it *can* break some functionality
depending on the package
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209[01:50:53] <n4dir> but yeah, in each case reinstall whatever
is missing and that's it.
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210[01:51:03] <n4dir> annadane: ah-ha.
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211[01:51:43] <annadane> you're still generally safe to apt
autoremove assuming you haven't been messing with some of the
big metapackages
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213[01:52:11] <annadane> kde, uninstall konqueror, autoremove,
"the following packages will be removed: kde-desktop <120
other things>"
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214[01:52:14] <n_blownapart> thanks ALL
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215[01:52:29] <annadane> also i've noticed apt autoremove
doesn't play nice with backports
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216[01:52:47] <n4dir> on Slackware libs get removed or renamed
all the time, so i can't start apps and it takes hours to
figure out what is missing and how to install it. Compared to that
debians package management seems very robust.
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217[01:52:53] <n4dir> on a chatty note.
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218[01:53:00] <annadane> i generally avoid autoremove as
i'm not in danger of running out of disk space, why risk
breakage
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219[01:53:12] <annadane> i used to run it ritually
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220[01:53:32] <n4dir> deborphan is a different beast, iirc. -
But then: same solution, simply reinstall.
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221[01:53:47] <annadane> note: it's entirely possible
i'm full of nonsense and the breakage i describe is due to some
other cause
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222[01:53:52] <annadane> this is anecdotal
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223[01:54:01] <annadane> but yeah i just tend to avoid apt
autoremove at this stage
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225[01:54:46] <annadane> but apt autoremove isn't 100%
vetted, that i do know, it *can* uninstall things you actually want
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227[01:55:04] <annadane> anything with "lib" is
generally fine to remove
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229[01:56:23] <awal1> what was the iptables gtk front-end years
ago?
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231[01:57:08] <awal1> something like 'gufw' now
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232[01:58:51] <awal1> in fact real objective via this question
is I need a program for monitor live what stuff iptables is blocking
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233[01:59:43] <awal1> yeah, 'firestarter'
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237[02:01:10] <awal1> I remember it have the feature of showing
what the firewall is blocking in live mode + firestarter gui runs
without root privilege
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241[02:03:44] <annadane> i know man iptables has a few vaguely
promising sounding things
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242[02:04:32] <annadane>
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243[02:05:00] <annadane> though on further reflection that
really doesn't address montiorsing
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244[02:05:03] <annadane> monitoring
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245[02:05:13] <annadane> i'm sure someone's already
asked your question, i could probably google it
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248[02:06:27] <awal1> me Always googles stuff :P
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249[02:06:40] <annadane> or duckduckgo or ...
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250[02:07:34] <awal1> annadane , I heard you prefered search
engine is 'bing'?
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252[02:07:37] <awal1> :PP
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254[02:09:07] <awal1> I know there are several tools for monitor
outgoing/incoming connections via netstat, tcpdump...
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258[02:10:59] <awal1> I was just wondering if there is any other
program doing almost exactly what firestarter does regarding
firewall activity, in live mode
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271[02:17:18] <Logg> awal1, wireshark?
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274[02:17:56] <n4dir> speaking of things you can't do
anymore: I am still looking for a replacement for cookie-monster,
firefox plugin. That is: i want to block all cookies per defaut, but
allow them where i need them.
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275[02:18:53] <awal1> Logg, wireshark is a good candidate,
right. I would like something which doesn't need root, almost
for privacy stuff when in public networks
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276[02:19:12] <awal1> n4dir, in fact you don't really need
a ff addon for that
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277[02:19:23] <ian___> Dpkg tell me about install kde
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278[02:19:33] <awal1> just block all cookies in privacy settings
section and allow what you want
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279[02:20:00] <ian___> how do i install a package from the
interactive shell on advanced install
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283[02:20:29] <awal1> ian___, check debian wiki.debian.org
serach kde
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284[02:20:29] <n4dir> awal1: tell me more about it.
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285[02:20:42] <ian___> I know the name of the package
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286[02:21:09] <ian___> I want to install it from the installer
CD
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287[02:21:13] <n4dir> awal1: ah, like that. Well ... looks like
work.
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288[02:21:41] <snufft> annadane: thanks, i've been checking
those out as well :)
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289[02:21:52] <ian___> Onto /target
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290[02:22:02] <awal1> n4dir, well, in firefox setting --»
history ---» chose let me chose your own setting ( I no
remember exact words) the there block cookies and you have a button
for exceptions
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292[02:23:14] <n4dir> thanks, awal1, as there doesn't seem
to be a good replacement for cookie-monster, you gave me the push i
needed. I guess.
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293[02:23:24] <ian___> because once i install the minimal kde
package i dont have to manually set up internet
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295[02:24:18] <snufft> I'm trying to install
replaced-url
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296[02:24:25] <Logg> ian___, honestly just save yourself some
headache and get it to an ethernet connection. if you wanna install
it from the cd look in /etc/apt/sources.list but the packages you
want might not be on there
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297[02:24:31] <awal1> n4dir, not sure about cookie-monster
alternatives; I heard about it but never used it. personally I just
se my ff to erase all history when I close it
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298[02:24:41] <snufft> it also says: Depends: libwebp5 but it is
not installable
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300[02:25:05] <snufft> where as that page lists webp6
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301[02:25:06] <ian___> i dont have an ethernet port
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303[02:25:16] <ian___> but the installer found my wifi
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305[02:25:33] <ian___> i can ping from the ash session
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306[02:25:51] <Logg> snufft, the version compiled and
distributed with debian stable may use different libraries, or be a
different version
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307[02:26:30] <snufft> Logg: shouldn't that be listed in
stretch though? (I'm a noob btw, so just trying to get my head
around this)
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310[02:27:12] <Logg> snufft, if the newer packages aren't
considered "stable", then they won't be included.
sometimes versions of software included in debian stable are years
older than what is available "bleeding edge"
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313[02:27:47] <Logg> changes might be made to the package to be
able to use older libraries included with debian stable. you can use
"backports" if you need a newer version
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317[02:32:46] <n4dir> snufft:
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318[02:32:48] <n4dir> !bat
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319[02:32:49] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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321[02:33:28] <n4dir> that is: if a package is from stable then
all it's dependencies should be met, assuming nothing is
unusual in the repo config file.
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325[02:35:08] <annadane> n4dir,
replaced-url
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327[02:36:13] <n4dir> annadane: without looking i think i tried
that. It allows cookies and deletes them later. I don't want to
allow them in the first place (at least not where not needed, say
wikipedia).
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329[02:36:35] <n4dir> ups: thanks. sorry, too late for being
social ... :-)
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330[02:37:22] <annadane> firefox obviously has a blacklist, not
sure about a whitelist, though that extension may do whitelists, not
sure, which makes this comment and the last one too utterly and
completely pointless
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332[02:38:55] <annadane> n4dir, on firefox esr there's an
option to not accept cookies and you *can* whitelist sites
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333[02:39:02] <annadane> no extensions required, apparently
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334[02:39:40] <n4dir> yeah, i guess that is the solution.
cookies-monster was very easy to use (and i am really lame with
doing *new* things).
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338[02:44:06] <snufft> Logg n4dir thanks for the replies. Got it
sorted :) One of the php packages was from a different repo and that
was throwing out the dependencies by the looks. Stripped it out,
installed the right one and we're good to go. Thanks again for
the help and to you also annadane :)
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339[02:45:06] <Logg> snufft, make sure you only have stable
debian repos in your repository...
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340[02:45:09] <Logg> !dontbreakdebian
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341[02:45:09] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is
replaced-url
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343[02:45:56] <snufft> Logg: That's how it's all fixed
now ;)
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344[02:46:12] <Logg> good luck in the future. lol
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347[02:48:24] <annadane> snufft, was that "different
repo" jessie-backports? i considered saying something about it
and elected not to, i should have, though
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348[02:49:23] <snufft> annadane: no, it was packages.dotbed.org
I don't even have a recollection of adding that one in
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349[02:49:45] <snufft> annadane: so you're off the hook. I
hadn't had a chance to do any damage with jessie-backports yet
:P
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350[02:50:24] <n4dir> try harder !
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351[02:50:27] <annadane> it depends when you added
jessie-backports, if it was when stretch was testing there may be
problems, but if you did it in stretch post release it ought to be
fine
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354[02:51:06] <annadane> though i actually don't know how
much frankendebian would apply there, there are specific
considerations i've never bothered to investigate
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356[02:51:26] <annadane> anyway: whatever, problem solved,
everyone's happy
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357[02:53:04] <n4dir> awal1: annadane as i am looking at the
cookies settings the proposal you both made looks like a very good
solution.
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358[02:53:57] <awal1> n4dir, I guess so. addons may facilitate
the job but they may just bloate ff
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359[02:54:10] <awal1> btw, what happens with cookie-monster?
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361[02:54:39] <awal1> that is bcoz of newer ff not compatible
anymore with xul-ext-... ?
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362[02:54:55] <n4dir> i think it doesn't work on never
versions of firefox anymore. Don't ask me which version, i
never care for such. Right now i run version 52, and there it still
works.
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363[02:55:20] <annadane> i personally have no desire to bother
with a new firefox just so extensions can work
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364[02:55:31] <n4dir> which is jessie. I only let it installed,
as it contains grub. Usually i don't boot into this
installation.
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365[02:55:36] <annadane> just need to wait about 3 more months
when we get a new esr
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366[02:55:45] <awal1> i think ff not compatibel with xul-exts
after v. 55 or so
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371[02:56:41] <awal1> I am using ff quantum 59+ under sid and
xul extensions not compatible
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372[02:56:46] <n4dir> i for one couldn't tell what was
enhance since version 3.5 of firefox (perhaps it was 3, before there
was a new version each 2 weeks)
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373[02:57:29] <n4dir> i sure can say that it crashes all the
time. Oh my.
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374[02:57:40] <awal1> 52?
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375[02:58:04] <n4dir> no, i think all firefox versions on all
kind of installations (salix, gentoo, slackware, debian, what you
have)
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376[02:58:34] <awal1> quantum is lighter I think vs 52-esr
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377[02:58:36] <n4dir> sounds as if i would use shitloads of
distros. That is not the case.
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378[02:58:51] <awal1> well maybe just bcoz it is a new
profile/installation
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379[02:59:08] <annadane> i'm sure there are alternative
browsers which are more universally extension compatible
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380[02:59:35] <n4dir> i guess my hardware specs are not
according to modern times (my good PC has 2 Gig's of Ram, all
other hardware has less).
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381[02:59:46] <awal1> probably for daily use, if not caring too
much about privacy, chromium is a better candidate
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382[02:59:47] <annadane> and by "i'm sure" in
retrospect i mean "i'd be surprised"
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383[03:00:01] <Logg> interesting lifestyle choice n4dir
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385[03:00:14] <n4dir> what choice?
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386[03:01:31] <Logg> choosing to stay on limited hardware like
that when you could upgrade it very cheaply
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390[03:02:15] <n4dir> i don't see any reason to do it.
Besides web-browsing everything works. And "cheap" is not
the same for everyone.
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392[03:03:19] <Logg> well, I don't know what opportunities
you have where you are, but ask around and you can get a lot of very
capable hardware for free
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393[03:03:30] <Logg> just because it's 10 years old
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394[03:03:43] <n4dir> Ha. But that's what i do. I use the
hardware i get for free.
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397[03:04:28] <n4dir> to make the story short: I guess you are
right. I am so stubborn, this really isn't funny.
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400[03:05:00] <Logg> :) #debian-offtopic but personally, I find
doing anything modern on less than 6 GB is pretty limiting when it
comes to multitasking
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401[03:05:42] <n4dir> i can only see that i have problems with
the Web. I guess i don't do that much.
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457[03:55:10] <awal1> not able to stop 'yersinia' via
Ctrl-c here, almost all the time; "killall yersinia" from
another root shell usually needed; nothing in logs. Any clue?
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458[03:56:25] <Logg> awal1, if I can't kill with ctrl-c, I
spam ctrl-z and ctrl-c together until it stops. Don't know
anything about yersinia.
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459[03:57:33] <rabbitear_sdf> you can block SIGKILL, its common
in some python projects
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460[03:58:02] <rabbitear_sdf> ^z then figuring out a way, sounds
would work
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461[03:58:21] <awal1> Logg, no way here spamming with -c; I0ll
try with both -c and -z next time
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463[03:58:51] <annadane>
replaced-url
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464[03:59:04] <rabbitear_sdf> ^ usually is for control character
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465[03:59:13] <Logg> lol annadane
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466[03:59:48] <rabbitear_sdf> annadane: :)
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471[04:03:01] <awal1> -z is sigstp, if not wrong, which
background the process
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473[04:03:19] <annadane> man page say anything how to kill it?
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474[04:03:32] <awal1> yersinia? nah
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475[04:03:49] <awal1> rabbitear_sdf, block sigkill?
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478[04:04:16] <rabbitear_sdf> awal1: when your writing a
program, you can block SIGKILL
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479[04:04:39] <awal1> rabbitear_sdf, ah , ok
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482[04:04:58] <awal1> but -c = SIGINT
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483[04:05:27] <awal1> interupt signal
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484[04:05:27] <rabbitear_sdf> awal1: I have no idea how that
program is written
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486[04:06:21] <rabbitear_sdf> awal1: you could read about unix
[linux] signals, they are in ever process, part of the OS
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488[04:07:09] <awal1> I have a good idea about linux signals
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489[04:07:15] <awal1> :P
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493[04:08:10] <awal1> that software may block sigint so, not
sigkill. but ok it may just be an unknown bug
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494[04:09:01] <annadane> i feel like in general, if you think it
might be a bug, just file one
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497[04:10:13] <rabbitear_sdf> awal1: well, ya, I know only the
numbers for kill -15 is default and -9 has a different kill
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499[04:10:50] <rabbitear_sdf> awal1: I find that threaded python
programs, are hard to kill, with ^c
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500[04:10:59] <rabbitear_sdf> from the keyboard
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502[04:11:37] <awal1> not sure about python
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503[04:11:58] <awal1> btw, -15= sigterm and -9 = sigterm
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504[04:12:07] <awal1> -9= sigkill
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506[04:12:08] <rabbitear_sdf> awal1: and yes, the SIGKILL,
I'm trying to refer to what it does
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507[04:12:15] <awal1> :P
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508[04:12:30] <annadane> pkill -9 pkill
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510[04:13:40] <rabbitear_sdf> sometimes, programs capture the
^c, so it can do clean up
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511[04:14:00] <awal1> people usually use -9 but in general -15
is sufficient
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512[04:14:07] <rabbitear_sdf> and if the clean up never
finishes, the process doesn't die.
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513[04:14:17] <awal1> -9 not necessary i mean
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514[04:14:31] <rabbitear_sdf> right
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515[04:14:40] <rabbitear_sdf> that is why -15 is default
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516[04:14:51] <awal1> yeah
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519[04:16:33] <rabbitear_sdf> capturing signals in "c"
the language, is most fun --- when you feel like you know this is
the right then to do.
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520[04:17:08] <rabbitear_sdf> because, you can make your project
do a little bit more for the user
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530[04:21:59] <JordiGH> does sbin stand for static, superuser,
system, or something else?
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531[04:22:55] <annadane> JordiGH, superuser binary
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532[04:23:15] <JordiGH> How do you know?
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533[04:23:22] <annadane> because i looked it up on the internet.
:P
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534[04:23:23] <rabbitear_sdf> JordiGH: superman binary
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535[04:23:34] <JordiGH> annadane: Where did you look it up?
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537[04:23:39] <rabbitear_sdf> JordiGH: you can read the docs
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539[04:23:51] <JordiGH> Which docs?
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540[04:23:54] <rabbitear_sdf> JordiGH: POXIS filesystem
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541[04:24:01] <JordiGH> FHS isn't POSIX.
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542[04:24:09] <rabbitear_sdf> JordiGH: what?
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544[04:24:13] <JordiGH> It's not.
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545[04:24:20] <rabbitear_sdf> JordiGH: what doc are you taking
about?
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546[04:24:31] <JordiGH> That's why macOS can get away with
making a mockery of the filesystem.
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547[04:24:33] <JordiGH> FHS isn't POSIX.
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549[04:24:37] <rabbitear_sdf> JordiGH: do you know what the e in
eail means?
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550[04:24:43] <annadane> sorry, that may not be totally accurate
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552[04:24:49] <annadane> anyhow,
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554[04:25:11] <annadane> it may well be system
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555[04:25:18] <idustyb> I'm pretty confident it's
system.
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556[04:25:20] <rabbitear_sdf> JordiGH: do you know what the i in
iphones is?
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557[04:25:22] <idustyb> Also hey team!
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558[04:25:33] <irinix> Is there an install image that is
basically all of the install dvd images crammed into one? I just
don't have wifi capability on the machine I'm installing
on, and don't have dvd r's to create an install set.
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559[04:25:34] <JordiGH> Are you all sure it's not static?
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560[04:25:38] <annadane> 'superuser' would be dumb.
sorry for the lazy, non effort answer
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561[04:25:38] <idustyb> Go on @rabbitear_sdf. This should be
interesting.
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562[04:25:41] <JordiGH> Because the binaries are statically
compiled?
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563[04:25:42] <Yndurain> rabbitear_sdf: can you keep the
comments topical, please?
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564[04:26:00] <rabbitear_sdf> I don't know
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566[04:26:25] <rabbitear_sdf> but why /usr ? I assume,
'user'
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567[04:26:26] <JordiGH> Man, /sbin on Debian is all dynamically
linked, though.
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568[04:26:34] <idustyb> @JordiGH: Not sure what more we can
provide. That FHS documentation is mostly appropriate. I've
found that it differs in interpretation between different
distributions.
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569[04:26:35] <annadane> irinix, if i recall correctly
there's an image with the first 3 DVDs, beyond that i
don't think so
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570[04:26:39] <irinix> Failing that, is there a way to combine
the three dvd isos into a super iso?
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571[04:26:43] <annadane> actually _finding_ said image...
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573[04:26:52] <JordiGH> idustyb: Well, we could find the person
who named and ask them.
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574[04:26:58] <JordiGH> I think he might be dead, though.
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575[04:26:58] <irinix> annadane, which is why I came here. lol
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576[04:27:00] <JordiGH> lol
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577[04:27:09] <rabbitear_sdf> naming things is hard
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578[04:27:11] <idustyb> @JordiGH: there's not
'one' person :P But yeah lol. Interesting query.
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579[04:27:19] <irinix> I'm going to attempt to use the
netinst on this older hardware, but I don't think it will
detect my hacked hotspot on my phone. =(
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580[04:27:26] <annadane> it's that time of night where i
start giving stupid answers to questions. my usefulness drops off
about past 10 PM, thus i should shut my trap
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581[04:27:26] <JordiGH> idustyb: Oh, of course there is. Ritchie
or something.
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582[04:27:30] * irinix is very sad about this.
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584[04:27:59] <rabbitear_sdf> english is always changing
language
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586[04:28:00] <idustyb> @irinix: Seems like wizardry. What are
you attempting to achieve?
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587[04:28:01] <irinix> annadane, you're fine, hon, I
expected that someone would say yes. =)
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588[04:28:03] <idustyb> brb oops
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590[04:28:11] <JordiGH> Okay, here we go, static:
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592[04:28:37] <irinix> idustyb, installing debian on an P4 that
doesn't boot from usb, and probably cannot connect to my
hotspot.
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593[04:28:44] <JordiGH> Although that's just some rando on
the internet...
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595[04:28:46] <rabbitear_sdf> if you think of english as a
technology, and the good stuff isn't there anymore, then yes
all technology is super sad
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596[04:28:47] <JordiGH> Damn.
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597[04:28:53] <JordiGH> rabbitear_sdf: kindly stfu
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598[04:29:08] <rabbitear_sdf> JordiGH: that is what I have to
say
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600[04:30:19] <rabbitear_sdf> JordiGH: whats the 't'
in stuf
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601[04:30:26] <rabbitear_sdf> or stfu
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602[04:30:58] <JordiGH> Good talk, thanks everyone.
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604[04:31:10] <annadane> anyway, i'm surprised the
filesystem hierarchy pages don't have an easy answer
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605[04:31:18] * annadane checks the debian reference
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609[04:32:38] <irinix> I didn't see one, besides possibly
Jigdo
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612[04:33:36] <annadane>
replaced-url
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613[04:34:14] <annadane> i'm still mad at myself for
"look up on the internet and give the first BS answer i
found". that isn't acceptable.
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614[04:35:01] <irinix> crap, i have the wrong iso for a p4
anyhow. fuuuuu
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620[04:38:08] <annadane> i have a vague memory that what the
"s" stands for is also somewhat cultural, people have
appropriated it for different purposes
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621[04:38:26] <rabbitear_sdf> why books, are better than any
"internet"
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622[04:38:46] <rabbitear_sdf> and printed books
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623[04:39:12] <irinix> I always considered it to mean
"System-Bin"
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625[04:39:36] <rabbitear_sdf> naming is hard work.
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627[04:41:04] <rabbitear_sdf> getAllTheseLongStrangesNMs() <-
that might change some day
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629[04:41:30] <awal1> irinix, amd64 or i386?
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631[04:41:44] <irinix> awal1, i386 for a pentium 4
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632[04:41:58] <rabbitear_sdf> unix is more like the latin to
computers
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634[04:42:45] <johnfg> I'm out of space on my /var
partition (almost). Anyway to clean the cache or any other
suggestions as to free up some space?
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636[04:43:13] <irinix> huh, I just saw patrick stewart in a
windows 3.0 commercial.
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637[04:43:17] <rabbitear_sdf> johnfg: put in another drive and
symlink stuff
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638[04:43:19] <awal1> irinix, just dvd 1, 2 and 3 ara available
as you can see here
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639[04:43:33] <irinix> yeah, I saw that.
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640[04:43:46] <irinix> I was hoping I could combine them into a
mega image somehow that wouldn't break things?
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641[04:43:48] <rabbitear_sdf> johnfg: 'ncdu' is a good
program to figure out what is taking up space
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642[04:44:03] <awal1> 1,2 and 3 should contain all pkgs,
including libs, available in stable branch
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643[04:44:11] <awal1> irinis
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644[04:44:22] <johnfg> rabbitear_sdf: Thanks!
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645[04:44:26] <irinix> so just dl them all, and create a new iso
containing all the things?
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646[04:44:32] <rabbitear_sdf> johnfg: welcome
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650[04:45:14] <awal1> irinis, almost 12 Go. do you know about a
dvd capable to contain 12Go?
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653[04:46:43] <irinix> no, but I was planning on copying my mega
iso + unetbootin to a flash drive, and then using unetbootin in the
existing windows xp install to create a hard drive installation of
debian on the old p4 that probably won't work with the netinst.
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656[04:52:54] <awal1> dpkg: unetbootin
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657[04:52:54] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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658[04:53:09] <awal1> irinis, ^
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659[04:53:11] <dvs> awal1, his computer won't boot from USB
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660[04:53:49] <rabbitear_sdf> take off the secure boot in the
bios
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661[04:54:03] <dvs> rabbitear_sdf, it's a P4, no UEFI
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662[04:54:08] <rabbitear_sdf> oh
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663[04:54:29] <dvs> the only way I can see is install by CD/DVD
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664[04:54:38] <rabbitear_sdf> then make sure its matched up usb
1.1
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665[04:54:50] <rabbitear_sdf> maybe not that far tho
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666[04:56:02] <awal1> irinis, I don't get you: if you can
donate a few bucks and someone can send you all the dvd's
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667[04:56:17] <awal1> check download page
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668[04:56:49] <rabbitear_sdf> dvs: join #coreboot, ask, they
know the most about why things do not boot
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669[04:57:06] <awal1> irinix vs irinis :P
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670[04:57:14] <dvs> fight!
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671[04:57:26] <awal1> :D
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672[04:57:42] <awal1> irinix 1, irinis 0
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673[04:57:43] <rabbitear_sdf> both (even tho I don't know
what that is)
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674[04:57:51] <irinix> lo
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675[04:58:03] <rabbitear_sdf> o/
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676[04:58:11] <irinix> well, this might work.
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677[04:58:13] <irinix> brb
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680[05:00:59] <irinix> okay, how to mount an iso from the debian
installer.
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681[05:01:00] <irinix> lol
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682[05:01:05] <awal1> , firestarter
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683[05:01:11] <awal1> ,v firestarter
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684[05:01:12] <judd> Package: firestarter on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0.3-11
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685[05:01:36] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: no internet?
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688[05:02:32] <irinix> rabbitear_sdf, I *might* be able to get
to my hotspot, but I doubt it as of this moment. Unetbootin was able
to give me a debian installer, but it can't find
"cd". So now I'm using the shell to try an mount it
to see what happens.
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692[05:03:26] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: if the image is on your
local drive, 'hard drive' then you can use loopback
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694[05:03:45] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: you in all cases in shell
use 'mount'
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695[05:04:30] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: loopback (iso as a file on
a drive) would take '-o loop'
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696[05:04:44] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: the filename of the iso,
plus where to mount it
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697[05:04:59] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: any directory (where to
mount it)
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700[05:06:30] <irinix> it's a matter of finding the drive.
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701[05:06:35] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: mount [some options if
necessary, usually not] <WHAT-YOU-WANT-TO-MOUNT> <WHERE>
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702[05:06:44] <irinix> and mount is not liking the usb drive.
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703[05:06:45] <irinix> =(
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704[05:06:50] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: ls /dev/sd*
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705[05:06:59] <irinix> it's /dev/sdb
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706[05:07:03] <rabbitear_sdf> maybe
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707[05:07:21] <rabbitear_sdf> so 'mount /dev/sdb /mnt
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709[05:07:37] <annadane> it's the order detected so lsblk
and then find what looks right given what you know about its
attributes (size etc)
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710[05:07:47] <irinix> yeah, I get mount: mounting failed:
invalid argument.
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711[05:07:49] <rabbitear_sdf> or any place, /mnt might not be
what you want, normally new install, it is
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712[05:08:02] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: stop using the args
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713[05:08:09] <irinix> no args used.
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714[05:08:20] <rabbitear_sdf> mount /dev/sdb{n} /mnt
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715[05:08:22] <annadane> though i think you can change that
behavior via udev
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716[05:08:41] <rabbitear_sdf> because it doesn't want to
mount a disk, mount wants to mount a partition of the disk
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717[05:09:01] <awal1> ,v firewalld
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718[05:09:02] <judd> Package: firewalld on amd64 -- jessie:
0.3.12-1; stretch: 0.4.4.2-1; buster: 0.4.4.6-1; sid: 0.4.4.6-1
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719[05:09:08] <irinix> I bet its because its an ntfs flash
drive.
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720[05:09:08] <rabbitear_sdf> annadane: you're way adding
bad information
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721[05:09:35] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: dmesg ...... see what the
/dev/<drive> is
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722[05:09:53] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: sdcards are like /dev/mm*
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723[05:10:12] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: read your logs
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724[05:10:22] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: where that drive actually
landed
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725[05:10:39] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: mount wants a partition
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726[05:11:02] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: why you use a loopback if
its a file, to get to the partitions
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727[05:11:29] <rabbitear_sdf> wait, I take that last thing back
....... but irinix read your logs
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729[05:13:25] <RM982> guys I have this VM which I want to port
to physical hardware, what would be the proper way to create a full
disk image and restore it somewhere else?
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731[05:15:51] <rabbitear_sdf> RM982: google it
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733[05:19:55] <irinix> rabbitear_sdf, yes, it was ntfs, and I
know how much debian hates ntfs.
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734[05:19:56] <irinix> lol
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736[05:21:00] <irinix> the next big question is once I get that
mounted, can I get it to connect to my hotspot, I don't think
the hardware supports wpa2 and my hotspot doesn't let me run
unsecured. =(
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737[05:21:09] <irinix> I might have to finangle some thins.
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740[05:22:55] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: debian9 is gonna do all
the wireless WPA that exists today
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741[05:23:14] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: via the installer even
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743[05:24:21] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: it would be funny, and not
funny at the same time, when you start seeing routers based on
windows(tm)
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746[05:25:24] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: all consumer and
non-consumer routers to date, are based of linux or iso which is
based of unix
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747[05:26:09] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: their 'secret
code' is the UI to the router
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749[05:26:42] <irinix> progress is being made
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750[05:26:49] <rabbitear_sdf> :)
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751[05:26:58] <irinix> rabbitear_sdf, I think the hardware
won't support it.
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752[05:27:20] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: well, its 2018
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753[05:27:24] <irinix> but, now, the shell is locked up after
executing mount -o loop /mnt/debian.iso /cdrom/
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754[05:27:40] <irinix> rabbitear_sdf, this hardware is circa 03
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755[05:27:54] <irinix> and crappy hp hardware at that
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756[05:27:57] <crimson_king> In Brazil, we have Intelbras, a
company selling very configurable Linux based routers. They're
all around the country. I bought one. You check the router logs and
smile at the familiarity of everything there (:
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757[05:28:05] <rabbitear_sdf> is your cdrom on /cdrom/ ?
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758[05:28:20] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: mount it to a free
directory .... sometimes /mnt
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759[05:28:38] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: mkdir a directory and
mount your loopback there
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760[05:28:50] <irinix> d'oh
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761[05:29:00] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: any directory with nothing
in it
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762[05:29:02] <irinix> fuhhhhh it's been a long time since
I've had to cobble an install together.
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763[05:29:17] <crimson_king> Also, all government buildings and
banks run Debian or Ubuntu. I saw a password machine booting Debian
8 some time ago at a bank.
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766[05:29:43] <irinix> and it's still hanging on mount
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767[05:30:01] <rabbitear_sdf> crimson_king: yeah... its the best
way, it was a long time ago too
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770[05:30:22] <crimson_king> that's only thanks to groups
like C3SL at the Federal University of Parana who maintains
"Educational Linux" for schools and promotes free software
around here (:
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771[05:30:48] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: switch shells ... maybe
kill that mount process if taking too long
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772[05:30:56] <irinix> can't switch shells.
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773[05:31:06] <irinix> The only shell the debian installer gives
me is ASH
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774[05:31:41] <irinix> I can hear the computer *trying* to mount
it. cpu fan is spooling way up....
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775[05:31:42] <rabbitear_sdf> crimson_king: its in my opinion,
the best mindset to have.
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777[05:31:59] <crimson_king> rabbitear_sdf, yeah
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778[05:32:25] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: it'll probably fail
in like 5-10 minutes
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779[05:32:35] <irinix> wonder why it's not mounting?
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780[05:33:17] <rabbitear_sdf> if you type 'mount' it
will display what is already mounted currently
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781[05:33:46] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: you say p4, you have to
watch, if /cdrom/ really gets the CD-ROM
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782[05:34:21] <irinix> perhaps it's because the system is
running in ram, and this system is ram starved??
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783[05:34:59] <rabbitear_sdf> no, a mount shouldn't take up
much ram
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784[05:35:14] <irinix> it also just destroyed the shell....badly
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786[05:35:22] <rabbitear_sdf> reboot maybe
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787[05:35:24] <irinix> I relaunched the shell and it was still
messed up. had to reboot the installation.
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788[05:35:27] <irinix> lol
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790[05:35:44] <rabbitear_sdf> since its an install...
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791[05:35:46] <irinix> This is going to be a fun night.
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794[05:36:26] <rabbitear_sdf> well, yeah, you CAN install
without rebooting... but, sometimes that is a waist of time ..
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795[05:36:52] <irinix> yeah, at this point, it's a matter
of just getting the installer started
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796[05:36:55] <rabbitear_sdf> whats really not a waist of time,
is KNOWING how that *doesn't* or *can* boot on usb
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797[05:37:10] <irinix> the machine doesn't support it.
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798[05:37:30] <irinix> hp zd7020us
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799[05:37:45] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: I would --- pull out the
harddrive, install debian on a different machine, and put it back in
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800[05:38:00] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: cut loss
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801[05:38:09] <irinix> where's the fun in that?
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802[05:38:13] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: I been there
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803[05:38:22] <rabbitear_sdf> well, you can learn :)
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804[05:38:27] <rabbitear_sdf> good to learn.
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805[05:38:37] <irinix> and then I'd still have have to find
a way to properly build grub, which always f****s up when I try to
do it that way
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806[05:38:45] <RM982> guys I have this VM which I want to port
to physical hardware, what would be the proper way to create a full
disk image and restore it somewhere else?
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807[05:38:57] <irinix> I mean, I'm about 30 seconds from
just doing it that way. but you know, I want to see if it can be
done
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808[05:39:13] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: ....... yeah, don't
worry too much
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809[05:39:31] <irinix> ?
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810[05:39:55] <rabbitear_sdf> ......................
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811[05:40:06] <rabbitear_sdf> I haven't done that in awhile
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814[05:40:12] <rabbitear_sdf> but its a P4
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815[05:40:27] <rabbitear_sdf> you have to get the root partition
correct
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817[05:40:51] <rabbitear_sdf> and then the (hdx,x) thing
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819[05:41:18] <irinix> okay, let's see if this cp works
this time. ARGH! why does ASH keep crashing when I'm working
with that iso file?
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821[05:42:27] <irinix> Wait a second.
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823[05:43:04] <irinix> That laptop *does* support usb boot.
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824[05:43:14] <irinix> I missed the option in BIOS
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826[05:44:36] <dvs> ???
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827[05:44:44] <annadane> :)
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830[05:44:51] <dvs> Well, that'll make it easy.
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831[05:45:02] <irinix> yes
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832[05:45:04] * annadane is giggling
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833[05:45:10] * irinix is dying of shame
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834[05:45:14] <irinix> under boot options
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835[05:45:23] * dvs eats some popcorn
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836[05:45:30] <irinix> there's advanced. then there's
"Hard drive boot options"
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837[05:45:44] <irinix> then in there there is "Enable
advanced parameters".
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838[05:45:57] <irinix> which finally gives "Enable USB Hard
Drive Booting"
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839[05:46:14] <irinix> F****cking HP
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843[05:52:22] <annadane> sounds difficult. i'm sorry. good
luck. i have faith in you. here's a puppy.
replaced-url
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847[05:52:37] <nauticalnexus> PUPPY
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897[06:07:08] <irinix> and, I'm an idiot. =(
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899[06:07:33] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: hack it
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900[06:07:58] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: all "app"s was
made of other things.
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908[06:18:49] <shingouz> is there a sane way to go from 32bit to
64bit without a full reinstall? apt-magic abracadabra-update,
perhaps?
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915[06:21:57] <irinix> *sigh*
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916[06:22:11] <irinix> now it won't boot due to a disk
error. trying building the disk again.
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919[06:24:00] <annadane> "man apt-magic"
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920[06:24:05] <annadane> (but no, i don't know)
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921[06:25:09] <annadane> i found a stackexchange of "how to
do it" (aka it's complicated and pray that it works and
not officially supported) however it, like all stackexchange
answers, is from 5+ years ago
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925[06:29:37] <Unit193> I tried it in VM once, it did not go
well.
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927[06:32:32] <irinix> okay, switching distros since the laptop
requires non-free firmware
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929[06:33:43] <annadane> :(
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930[06:33:53] <shingouz> sounds like i get to do a reinstall.
fortunately i have not yet done any serious customizations on this
one as i have not yet started using this as my main computer
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931[06:33:54] <annadane> or try the image with non-free firmware
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948[06:52:16] <irinix> either way I have to wait forever and a
day for my whopping 1.3Mb/s connection to download it. =9
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951[06:55:55] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: welcome to 1999
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953[06:56:22] <annadane> krrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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954[06:56:28] <annadane> that was my dial-up sound impression.
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955[06:56:31] <annadane> you're welcome.
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956[06:56:41] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: the debian net-dev or
whatever its called, is only 40mb's
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957[06:56:48] <rabbitear_sdf> not gb's mb's
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959[06:57:34] <rabbitear_sdf> 30k/sec was fast in 1999 --- to
most places
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960[06:57:47] <rabbitear_sdf> something like that......
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961[06:59:06] <irinix> rabbitear_sdf, yes, it's still
estimated 30+ minutes
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962[06:59:10] <rabbitear_sdf> in an odd way, those kinds of
connections are good, because you can sit and chill, and talk to
people
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964[06:59:26] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: whatev
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972[07:00:41] <rabbitear_sdf> everybody is facebook style which
is discussing to to them [those who don't part take]
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974[07:00:56] <irinix> rabbitear_sdf, I don't understand
what you mean.
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976[07:01:18] <rabbitear_sdf> thats crap, that they got all your
means
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978[07:01:34] <irinix> ???
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979[07:01:48] <rabbitear_sdf> atleast irc is actually alot more
'we ain't like this one'
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981[07:01:54] <irinix> Ooooh 3.8Mb/s
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984[07:02:36] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: I been reading more books
these days
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985[07:02:44] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: way offline.
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986[07:03:15] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: I still love irc, well,
just because
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987[07:03:33] <rabbitear_sdf> but google even/facebook/twitter
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988[07:03:45] <rabbitear_sdf> no.......
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989[07:04:17] <rabbitear_sdf> only because I got family that
doesn't dig deep most of the time in computer crap
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990[07:05:01] <rabbitear_sdf> everything in the news about
computers, is like 10 years old atleast.
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991[07:05:08] <rabbitear_sdf> thats a sign
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992[07:07:06] <irinix> irc is love, irc is life.
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993[07:07:13] <irinix> It's my favorite socialist network.
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994[07:07:20] <rabbitear_sdf> lol
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995[07:07:28] <rabbitear_sdf> it still works.
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996[07:07:42] <irinix> Yay! I'm finally at DSL speeds.
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997[07:07:48] <irinix> 12Mb/s
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998[07:07:56] <rabbitear_sdf> doesn't change voters
attitudes mostly.
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999[07:08:10] <irinix> not at all.
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1000[07:08:20] <rabbitear_sdf> which was really obvious a long
time ago
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1004[07:08:48] <rabbitear_sdf> I suppose it is 'OUR'
fault, for not being able to explain it correctly.
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1005[07:08:55] <irinix> *sigh* let's see if this works this
time.
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1006[07:08:58] <rabbitear_sdf> is what it is, no worries
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1007[07:09:08] <irinix> I feel like the whole political system
just needs to die
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1008[07:09:21] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: well
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1009[07:09:40] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: thats not happening in the
short term
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1010[07:09:50] <irinix> I'm tired of democrats arguing with
republicans because they're republicans, not because they
actually disagree and vice versa.
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1011[07:10:05] <rabbitear_sdf> yes
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1012[07:10:17] <rabbitear_sdf> I got that too
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1013[07:10:18] <irinix> The Founding Fathers did not want a two
party system, they specifically said that a two party system would
be the death of our nation
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1014[07:10:29] <rabbitear_sdf> I don't even care who I am
anymore
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1015[07:10:53] <irinix> and these f**ksticks keep splitting us
apart based on some arbitrary political party, and it's getting
ridiculous
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1016[07:11:06] <rabbitear_sdf> its totally, off the rails, this
is like kids in 5th grade school
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1019[07:12:50] <rabbitear_sdf> I guess they feel like they have
to get down to the meet of the issues
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1021[07:13:05] <rabbitear_sdf> which isn't always money.
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1022[07:13:47] <rabbitear_sdf> in fact, not much about money in
public politics
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1023[07:13:55] <irinix> no it isn't. What bothers me the
most is that it's become *so* darned divisive and there seems
to be no way to pull it back together.
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1025[07:15:27] <stuv> hi all, i'm trying to isntall
nvidia-driver but i get this "replaced-url
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1026[07:15:31] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: well, you can take
divisivity as fully homeless vs. need to protect my
"goods" at all costs, --- I see it
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1028[07:16:14] <annadane> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
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1029[07:16:14] <stuv> i tired the binary ones but my window
manager doesn't show up then (mate) on debian 9.4 with a
geforece gtx 1050ti
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1030[07:16:14] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; stretch/non-free:
375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1~bpo8+1;
stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1;
buster/non-free: 390.42-1; sid/non-free: 390.42-1
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1032[07:16:21] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: it getting more dumb,
because there is no serious community locally......
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1033[07:16:31] <irinix> rabbitear_sdf, true, but shouldn't
we all be in the mindset of "Gotta protect my neighbor at all
costs"?
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1035[07:16:48] <annadane> stuv, try it with aptitude, it has more
detailed dependency information
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1036[07:16:50] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: there isn't a reason
... to be cool
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1040[07:17:03] <stuv> does the output of judd describes me i
should get it from backports of wheezy ??
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1041[07:17:08] <annadane> no.
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1044[07:17:21] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: no, do protect your
neighbor
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1045[07:17:22] <annadane> i was just checking to see that
you're on stable
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1046[07:17:42] <stuv> k
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1047[07:17:43] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: but look at what is going
on around your neighbors too
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1048[07:18:09] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: is it getting messed up in
your prospective? that is a sign
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1050[07:18:38] <stuv> annadane: can you might help ?
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1051[07:18:53] <annadane> as i said, see what aptitude install
nvidia-driver says
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1052[07:18:54] <irinix> rabbitear_sdf, very true.
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1053[07:18:59] <irinix> This is how I feel.
replaced-url
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1054[07:19:05] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: like its a sign to say,
"look" I wanna live here, "the hell happened
here?"
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1055[07:19:20] <stuv> i followed all steps to isntall the binray
driver but my window manager was gone and i had no tool to change
display settings...
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1056[07:19:20] <annadane> guys, can you take it to
#debian-offtopic please? someone has a question
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1057[07:19:32] <stuv> or at least i was not able to found them
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1058[07:20:40] <annadane> the general procedure for figuring out
installation issues is
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1059[07:20:42] <annadane> !bat
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1060[07:20:42] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1061[07:21:03] <annadane> that can give some good info, or go
dependency hunting with aptitude, narrow it down as to what
doesn't install
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1062[07:21:22] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: government is OBVIOUSLY,
on the higher levels, super retarded and dumb, there for ... reason
to think about, "WTF"
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1063[07:21:30] <annadane> if a can't install because of b, b
because of c, c because of d, and then it becomes circular,
you've found the root of the problem
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1064[07:21:56] <rabbitear_sdf> irinix: its like the
"WTF" I need to get out, its "WTF" why does this
happen over and over again.
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1065[07:22:08] <annadane> but aptitude will generally tell you
specifically what happens in great detail
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1066[07:22:19] <annadane> rabbitear_sdf, as i said, somebody has
a question, please go to #debian-offtopic
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1067[07:22:44] <rabbitear_sdf> okay
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1070[07:23:05] <stuv> annadane: so you suggest using aptitude ?
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1071[07:23:11] <rabbitear_sdf> annadane: one day that will be a
social question as well though.
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1072[07:23:24] <rabbitear_sdf> annadane: I will.
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1073[07:23:28] <annadane> i suggest using aptitude to see
what's causing issues so you can investigate, not to
necessarily accept aptitude's proposed solutions
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1075[07:23:46] <annadane> you can post it to paste.debian.net and
we can take a look at it
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1077[07:24:16] <stuv> i've pasted it already:
replaced-url
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1078[07:24:30] <alkisg> stuv, the output of aptitude, not of
apt-get
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1079[07:24:32] <stuv> or what else should i paste (if you mean
me)
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1080[07:24:33] <alkisg> It's a lot more detailed
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1081[07:24:42] <stuv> aptitde -xy ?
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1084[07:24:46] <annadane> no
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1085[07:24:53] <annadane> just "aptitude install
nvidia-driver", don't press y yet
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1086[07:25:10] <irinix> annnnnd the non-free install did not
work.
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1089[07:26:16] <annadane> also if you wouldn't mind putting
to paste.debian.net the output of "apt-cache policy"
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1091[07:28:07] <stuv> annadane: ^
replaced-url
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1092[07:28:54] <stuv>
replaced-url
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1093[07:30:12] <annadane> i have literally never heard of
nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias
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1094[07:30:38] <stuv> the binary drivers also didn't worked
:(
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1095[07:30:48] <annadane> stuv, what do you mean by binary
drivers
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1096[07:30:56] <annadane> ,v nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias
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1097[07:30:57] <judd> No package named
'nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias' was found in amd64.
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1098[07:32:05] <stuv> i tred like stop nouveau to load, then
install linux-header- build-essentilas and the 32lib stuff but when
i boot into x i get no MATE tables on top or bottom, just the icons,
i tried a apt-get install --reinstall mate, but changes nothing
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1099[07:32:20] <stuv> the ones provides by nvidia
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1100[07:32:52] <annadane> from the repository, right? you
didn't try installing anything from nvidia's website?
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1101[07:32:53] <stuv> i did this with my old nvidia card and it
worked like a charm
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1102[07:33:00] <irinix> I just used the non-free firmware
installer and it still did not detect the firmware....wtf over?
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1103[07:33:25] <stuv> i tried that a few installations later
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1105[07:33:37] <annadane> well, don't do that, it's a
good way to break your system
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1106[07:34:03] <stuv> why can't i just install nvidia-driver
:(
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1107[07:36:12] <annadane> "invalid locale" is also
weird
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1108[07:36:27] <stuv> brb
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1109[07:36:29] <annadane> any ideas, guys? this is kind of above
my knowledge area
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1110[07:36:33] <alkisg> stuv: try to temporarily disable
backports, run apt-get update, then install nvidia, then reenable
backports if you want
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1111[07:36:43] <stuv> have to do a reboot
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1113[07:37:02] <annadane> sigh
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1114[07:37:20] <annadane> i wouldn't be so quick to reboot
if i'm already having graphical problems, but whatever...
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1116[07:37:59] <Emil> Hey
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1118[07:38:11] <irinix> I really really love debian and it's
derivitives, I really hate debian's resistance to non-free
stuff.
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1119[07:38:12] <Emil> I need to build the latest stable kernel
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1122[07:38:33] <Emil> And of course I'd like a sane
userspace for it
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1123[07:38:34] <rocketmagnet> back
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1124[07:38:57] <annadane> rocketmagnet = stuv?
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1125[07:39:08] <Emil> is there a guide to do that? Or can I just
put debootstrap onto a partition?
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1126[07:39:30] <rocketmagnet> yes
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1127[07:39:47] <annadane> did you see what alkisg suggested?
"try to temporarily disable backports, run apt-get update, then
install nvidia, then reenable backports if you want"
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1128[07:40:10] <rocketmagnet> i tied the solution of aptitude but
it changed anything :(
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1129[07:40:33] <rocketmagnet> i have no backports enabled
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1131[07:40:50] <annadane> again... the idea of aptitude is just
to investigate possible dependency conflicts, not to accept the very
first solution it offers
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1132[07:40:57] <annadane> i should've made that more clear,
that's my fault
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1135[07:41:29] <rocketmagnet> file /etc/apt/sources.list shows
replaced-url
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1137[07:41:43] <rocketmagnet> it's a fresh debian 9.4
install
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1138[07:42:27] <annadane> (and you can cycle between proposed
solutions in aptitude)
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1139[07:43:05] <rocketmagnet> i try again
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1140[07:43:59] <rocketmagnet> he only ask me if i'm
comfortable to the purposed solutoin (Y/n)
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1141[07:44:29] <rocketmagnet> i try it with lightdm beeing
shutdown
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1142[07:44:31] <rocketmagnet> brb
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1143[07:44:36] <annadane> you're rushing things
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1144[07:44:42] <annadane> why not slow down a minute
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1145[07:45:15] <DK2> im using kickstart to install debian 9 on
servers however after loading the installer i immediately get a
kernelpanic
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1146[07:45:17] <DK2>
replaced-url
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1147[07:45:19] <DK2> any ideas?
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1148[07:45:24] <annadane> we don't know what specifically is
causing it not to be able to be installed so aptitude is just a way
of getting down the various branches because it gives detailed
information
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1149[07:45:31] <irinix> will the debian installer install
firmware from a .deb?
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1151[07:46:19] <annadane> DK2, what is kickstart? did you try the
conventional methods yet as described in the installation manual?
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1152[07:47:17] <DK2> irinix: no
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1153[07:48:09] <irinix> darnit, then where do I find the
bc43legacy/ucode4 actual firmware for the installer?
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1154[07:49:01] <DK2> annadane: automatic installation :| not yet
i have to try the manual installation from iso tho
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1155[07:49:24] <annadane> i'd honestly just try doing it
using the tested methods
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1156[07:49:38] <annadane> i've never heard of kickstart
before now
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1159[07:50:14] <rocketmagnet> annadane: back with no results :(
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1160[07:50:21] <annadane> rocketmagnet, please slow down
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1161[07:50:27] <annadane> you're leaving before i have a
chance to say anything
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1162[07:50:30] <rocketmagnet> np
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1165[07:51:01] <alkisg> DK2: debianites are used to
replaced-url
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1166[07:51:05] <annadane> and if you keep rushing things
you're liable to end up breaking it more
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1167[07:51:24] <rocketmagnet> unserstood
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1168[07:51:24] <DK2> alkisg: yes i just meant the debian
aquivalent then
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1169[07:51:29] <rocketmagnet> understood
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1170[07:52:08] <rocketmagnet> are you here in 15-20 min. ? have
to be away from the keyboard for a short time ?
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1171[07:52:12] <nauticalnexus> Break? Debian? Ha what
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1172[07:52:12] <rocketmagnet> annadane: ^
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1173[07:52:34] <annadane> i'm here for as long as you need
me, but i'm not the only person
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1174[07:52:51] <annadane> the really cool thing about this room
is anyone can pitch in with suggestions
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1175[07:53:01] <annadane> anyway,
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1176[07:53:07] <rocketmagnet> i need you but i have an important
thing to do, it's hard to find people helping you sometimes
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1177[07:53:20] <alkisg> DK2: so you see grub and then that? If
so, press "e" on grub and type the linux command line
here...
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1178[07:53:22] <annadane> oh, in 15-20 minutes, i misread
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1180[07:53:55] <annadane> well, if i'm not then just restate
your problem, repaste the thing you did with aptitude (though i
suspect that's now changed as you went ahead and accepted
aptitude's solutions)
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1181[07:54:01] <rocketmagnet> so it's fine, i'm back as
soon as i can
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1182[07:54:35] <rocketmagnet> so i have to repaste it again, but
aptitude doesn't solve anything
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1185[07:54:59] <rocketmagnet> the problem stays the same
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1187[07:55:07] <rocketmagnet> brb
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1188[07:55:29] <annadane> rocketmagnet, it's not meant to
*solve* anything. the idea is to find the weak link of what
isn't installing.
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1189[07:55:35] <DK2> alkisg, no the installer starts then then
boots immediatley into the given panic
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1190[07:55:42] <annadane> there are two ways of going about this,
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1191[07:55:44] <annadane> !bat
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1192[07:55:44] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1193[07:55:53] <annadane> or working out the dependencies with
aptitude
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1197[07:59:00] <annadane> rocketmagnet, ideally according to what
most people do we'd follow !bat and that probably would suggest
a solution immediately
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1198[07:59:11] <annadane> we can try that, but aptitude can also
be a source of good information
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1201[08:00:33] <annadane> rocketmagnet, and if you tried to
randomly install things from nvidia's website - especially
.deb's or whatever - that's probably broken something
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1202[08:00:47] <annadane> we currently have no way of knowing how
tangled the spaghetti mess is
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1210[08:07:19] <Li> what everyone is using for an text edting on
debian? don't vi or gedit me please
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1212[08:07:50] <Li> why we can't see atom & sublime-text
on debian's default ppa?
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1213[08:07:57] <annadane> pretty much nano/pluma (mate's
text editor thingy)
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1214[08:08:07] <annadane> debian doesn't have PPAs
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1215[08:08:40] <Li> annadane: nano is awsome for small text
changes but not really a thing for developing
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1216[08:08:53] <annadane> quite. that is what *i* use, because i
am not a developer
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1217[08:09:06] <Li> doesn't it? what do you call package
repositories here?
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1218[08:09:18] <annadane> just respitories
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1219[08:09:20] <annadane> er
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1220[08:09:24] <annadane> but with the correct spelling
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1221[08:09:33] <Li> annadane: I'm sorry for then lol
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1222[08:09:52] <annadane> anyway, atom and sublime may or may not
make their way into the next stable, i have no idea
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1223[08:09:55] <annadane> ,v atom
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1224[08:09:56] <Li> you're missing too much functionalities
on other ide(s)/editors
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1225[08:09:56] <judd> No package named 'atom' was found
in amd64.
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1226[08:10:05] <annadane> !start an editor war
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1227[08:10:05] <dpkg> pico blows.
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1228[08:10:32] <Li> nope No wars needed you're free to
choose to struggle
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1229[08:10:42] <annadane> i mean, emacs is essentially king of
functionality and it's in stable
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1230[08:11:48] <Li> annadane: there is no question about emacs
and vi but both have high learning curve
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1232[08:12:06] <Li> unlike things like brackets, bluefish, atom
..etc
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1233[08:12:47] <annadane> you can still use editors which
aren't currently in stable,
replaced-url
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1234[08:13:04] <annadane> anyway, i'll let people who
actually do real text editing to answer
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1235[08:13:34] <annadane> that wasn't grammatical, but
whatever
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1236[08:14:27] <annadane> all the DEs typically have their own,
mate has pluma, kde has kate...
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1237[08:14:49] <annadane> xfce has uh... whatever it has
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1241[08:16:22] <annadane> (i don't include mousepad because
it's essentially notepad)
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1248[08:18:41] <annadane> incidentally
replaced-url
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1256[08:22:44] <rocketmagnet> annadane: back now
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1257[08:23:03] <annadane> scroll back and read what i said
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1258[08:23:24] <rocketmagnet> ok
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1269[08:29:31] <rocketmagnet> annadane:
replaced-url
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1276[08:31:04] <rocketmagnet>
replaced-url
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1278[08:31:53] <annadane> yeah and i honestly have no idea how to
solve for when you get errors like that about virtual packages
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1279[08:32:16] <annadane> if you try apt install
nvidia-kernel-support what error messages do you get?
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1280[08:32:46] <annadane> and also, what's up with those 6
not upgraded packages, probably not relevant but i wonder what a
regular apt upgrade would do
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1281[08:32:56] <annadane> i _think_ that can be ignored for now
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1282[08:33:01] <towo^work> aptitute install nvidia-install:?
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1283[08:33:09] <towo^work> apt install nvidia-driver
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1284[08:33:17] <jelly> or nvidia-kernel-dkms
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1286[08:33:39] <annadane> mhm, right, that's what aptitude
showed earlier
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1287[08:33:47] <annadane> i didn't follow that thread
because i forgot about it
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1288[08:35:30] <rocketmagnet> towo^work: both tells me the same -
take a look at
replaced-url
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1290[08:36:00] <rocketmagnet> it's a fresh install
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1292[08:37:29] <annadane> this is the sources.list from earlier,
odd for a fresh install
replaced-url
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1294[08:38:47] <jelly> !bat
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1295[08:38:47] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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1296[08:38:54] <jelly> rocketmagnet: ^^
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1297[08:39:09] <annadane> and, yes, !bat is generally a good
solution. i should have gone straight to that but decided aptitude
was a quick and easy shortcut
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1298[08:39:35] <jelly> it's a way to get more complete
useful info, not a solution at all
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1299[08:39:41] <annadane> this is their apt-cache policy:
replaced-url
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1300[08:39:57] <annadane> right, more useful info was what i was
after
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1301[08:40:13] <rocketmagnet> jelly: i forgot a few thing, i
create a new paste and be right back
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1309[08:42:21] <rocketmagnet> he can find the package
"nvidia-kernel-375.82"
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1310[08:42:45] <jelly> use dkms instead.
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1311[08:42:56] <annadane> alternatives. right. i'm a moron.
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1312[08:42:58] <annadane> sorry.
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1313[08:43:11] <Li> is there a debian alternative for umake?
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1315[08:44:41] <rocketmagnet> dpkg: error: cannot access archive
'nvdia-kernel-375.82': No such file or directory
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1316[08:44:41] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable
request, rocketmagnet
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1318[08:44:47] <rocketmagnet> jelly: ^
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1320[08:46:02] <DK2> is the order of the files in initrd.gz
important?
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1321[08:46:20] <rocketmagnet> jelly: dpkg --install
nvdia-kernel-375.82
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1322[08:46:35] <annadane> you don't need to dpkg --install
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1323[08:46:41] <annadane> again, please stop rushing things
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1324[08:46:49] <jelly> rocketmagnet: what did you expect that
would do?
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1325[08:47:02] <annadane> guessing solutions doesn't get you
anywhere
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1326[08:47:03] <jelly> "dpkg" is a low-level tool
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1328[08:47:11] <rocketmagnet> i don't undestand how can i
fetch apt-cache policy info on a package that is not found
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1329[08:47:23] <rocketmagnet> nor how to do it with dpkg
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1330[08:47:31] <rocketmagnet> that was my first thought
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1332[08:48:25] <jelly> "apt-cache policy
nvidia-kernel-375.82 nvidia-kernel-support
nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias nvidia-driver
nvidia-kernel-dkms"
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1333[08:48:46] <jelly> you don't do it with dpkg, it does
not know anything about apt or repos or policies
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1334[08:49:30] <rocketmagnet>
replaced-url
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1336[08:49:41] <rocketmagnet> i understand
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1338[08:50:28] <jelly> that seems fine
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1352[08:57:21] <jelly> rocketmagnet: I can't seem to find
the start of your adventure, could you provide all the info in one
place?
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1356[08:58:37] <annadane> how far do your logs go back? i can
probably post a log and weed out the relevant paste entries
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1358[08:58:51] <annadane> or i guess just the entries
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1360[09:00:37] <rocketmagnet> the start was just to try to
install nvidia-driver :(
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1361[09:00:40] <jelly> they go back to "can't be
bothered to grep the log files"
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1362[09:00:52] <rocketmagnet>
replaced-url
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1363[09:01:47] <annadane>
replaced-url
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1364[09:01:49] <jelly> I'm going to assume the command line
there was typed manually after the fact and is not the actual
command line
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1365[09:01:53] <rocketmagnet> mabe this can also help:
sources.list:
replaced-url
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1371[09:02:29] <jelly> ,v nvidia-alternative
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1372[09:02:31] <judd> Package: nvidia-alternative on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; stretch/non-free:
375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.111-3~bpo9+1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1~bpo8+1;
stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 384.111-4~deb9u1;
buster/non-free: 390.42-1; sid/non-free: 390.42-1
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1376[09:02:41] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
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1377[09:02:42] <annadane> but with they accepted the aptitude
install nvidia-driver solution earlier and i'm not sure of what
that changed
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1378[09:02:42] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section
"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver
"nvidia"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to
enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
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1379[09:02:48] <jelly> rocketmagnet: do this instead ^
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1380[09:02:51] <annadane> -with
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1382[09:03:18] <tp43_> anyone can help with modmap? I did
$xmodmap -e "keycode 133 = Pointer_Button1" and it
didn't work. How do I find out what the code is for the left
mouse click, I just copy/pasted from a link on a message board
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1384[09:03:26] <jelly> everything between « and »,
one long command line
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1387[09:04:07] <rocketmagnet> The following packages have unmet
dependencies: nvidia-kernel-support : Depends:
nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias which is a virtual package and is not
provided by any available package
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1391[09:04:39] <jelly> rocketmagnet: what do "apt-cache show
nvidia-alternative" and "apt-cache policy
nvidia-alternative" say
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1393[09:05:29] <jelly> ,provides nvidia-alternative
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1394[09:05:30] <judd> Package nvidia-alternative in stretch/amd64
provides: nvidia-alternative--kmod-alias.
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1395[09:05:41] <rocketmagnet>
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1397[09:06:14] <jelly> rocketmagnet: okay, and does "apt-get
install nvidia-alternative" work?
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1398[09:06:33] <annadane> well, the aptitude solution would have
changed nothing actually, so never mind
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1400[09:06:39] <rocketmagnet> is already installed
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1403[09:06:53] <annadane> (do not give tech support at 3 am :P)
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1406[09:07:16] <jelly> rocketmagnet: I have no idea why
apt/aptitude fails, then
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1408[09:08:14] <jelly> rocketmagnet: what does "dpkg -s
nvidia-alternative" say
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1414[09:09:00] <rocketmagnet>
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1416[09:09:39] <jelly> so the Provides is present
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1420[09:10:55] <rocketmagnet> seems stange ?
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1421[09:11:30] <annadane> jelly, one of the things they did was
attempt to install some things from nvidia's website, is that
correct, rocketmagnet?
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1422[09:11:42] <jelly> shouldn't matter
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1424[09:12:05] <jelly> (it would cause other kind of issues)
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1426[09:13:02] <rocketmagnet> i tired the binary's from
nvidia.com but that with the last install, this is a fesh install
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1432[09:13:50] <rocketmagnet> when i've tried it with this
install, how can i reverse the process ?
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1433[09:14:06] <annadane> a fresh install with a weird sources
list, at that
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1435[09:14:29] <jelly> reverse what?
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1436[09:14:32] <darxmurf> there is also a nvidia-driver in the
debian repo
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1438[09:14:40] <rocketmagnet> what' wrong with my
sources.list ?
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1440[09:15:01] <darxmurf> paste it and we will see :-)
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1441[09:15:08] <annadane> it's just odd and not what you
typically see in a fresh install
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1442[09:15:18] <Haohmaru> hm, i just updated my debian9 to the
current kernel version from synaptic, and after rebooting, i saw
something like "SPECTRE" in text mode, just before lightdm
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1444[09:16:05] <jelly> the explicit [arch] are unusual but should
not be breaking things
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1446[09:16:38] <annadane>
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1447[09:16:38] <annadane> locale::facet::_S_create_c_locale name
not valid"
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1448[09:16:41] <jelly> Haohmaru: probably something from dmesg.
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1450[09:17:14] <Gekko> I'm following this
replaced-url
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1452[09:17:44] <rocketmagnet> annadane: i've installed
locale-all or so now it dissappeard
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1455[09:18:14] <Haohmaru> jelly, yeah: "[ 0.015023] Spectre
V2 : LFENCE not serializing. Switching to generic retpoline"
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1465[09:22:12] <Haohmaru> jelly, that means it's vulnerable?
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1466[09:22:32] <Haohmaru> i'm on some AMD cpu iirc
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1473[09:26:24] <annadane> if you really want i can post the
entire log just so you see everything in context
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1477[09:27:19] <rocketmagnet> brb
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1480[09:27:50] <annadane> i think i'm going to bed soon, in
any event
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1485[09:30:36] <tp43_> I want to re-map my windows keyboard to
key to mouse, in xev I get keycode 133, in showkey I get 125!
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1494[09:32:47] <CuteMeOwnThroat> that's not a
question… and you can come up with the reason for that as
well as we can?
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1495[09:34:10] <tp43_> maybe in X the codes are different
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1505[09:38:47] <zprd> yay my lxc containers have no network
connection today
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1506[09:38:57] <zprd> a nasty uupdate?
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1514[09:42:51] <tp43_> I want to remap the windows key on my
keyboard to my mouse left button(because I am using a paint program
and want to click fast and easy), anyone can help. I tried with
modmap, created .xmodmaprc file, added in there keycode 125 =
Pointer_Button1, and then created an .xsessionrc file, added to that
xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc, but it didn't work. I tried 133
too(because xev gives 133, while showkey gives 125, so I tried
both), but it didn't work.
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1515[09:43:23] <tp43_> oh I logged out and back into xfce4 each
time to test.
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1520[09:44:50] <jelly> Haohmaru: check which, if any, mitigations
are in place with: grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*
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1523[09:46:40] <tp43_> I created a .xsessionrc file, and added a
command in it, how can I know for sure that that .xsessionrc file I
created is being used?
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1524[09:46:52] <Haohmaru> jelly, Meltdown: "not
affected", spectre v1: "__user pointer sanitization",
v2: "Full generic retpoline"
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1528[09:47:15] <jelly> Haohmaru: it doesn't say
"vulnerable" anywhere?
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1530[09:47:33] <alkisg> tp43_: put `date >>
/tmp/myxsession.$$` and see if it created that file :)
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1531[09:47:37] <Haohmaru> mmm, nope, it just prints these three
lines
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1532[09:47:46] <tp43_> alkisg, thx
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1535[09:48:30] <jelly> Haohmaru: then your kernel has some sort
of mitigation in place for all of those
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1536[09:48:35] <jelly> unlike eg.
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1537[09:48:45] <jelly>
/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v2:Vulnerable:
Minimal generic ASM retpoline
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1538[09:49:23] <tp43_> alkisg, why the $$ there?
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1539[09:49:51] <alkisg> tp43_: that just marks the process id, so
that it's a different file name each time; you can omit it if
you don't like it
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1542[09:50:26] <tp43_> alkisg, how about it I do date >>
~/test.txt
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1543[09:50:29] <Haohmaru> okay, i ask cuz i have debian9 at home
(but there it's on an intel cpu) and i've not seen such
things printed during boot
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1544[09:50:38] <tp43_> alkisg, thx, interesting to know
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1546[09:50:40] <alkisg> tp43_: sure
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1552[09:53:16] <tp43_> alkisg, yep it worked, thx so much
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1553[09:53:22] <alkisg> np
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1562[10:02:09] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tp4…
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1563[10:02:35] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh well… it's
.Xmodmap where I did it, not .xmodmap
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1565[10:04:09] <zarez> hello, why systemctl restart
networking.service doesn't work in debian9 ?
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1567[10:05:22] <CuteMeOwnThroat> what did you expect it to do?
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1569[10:06:05] <zarez> the same as /etc/init.d/networking restart
before systemd
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1570[10:06:29] <zarez> but now only reboot works
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1571[10:06:50] <CuteMeOwnThroat> to do what
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1573[10:07:44] <zarez> activate my ethernet connection
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1574[10:08:06] <zarez> now it's not even blinking
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1634[10:44:11] <Haohmaru> i installed a cross compiler, it comes
with header files, where do i look for them? they don't seem to
be in /usr/include
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1647[10:49:28] <colo-work> Haohmaru, why not ask the package
manager where it put the pkg's files?
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1651[10:50:16] <Haohmaru> synaptic doesn't talk back to me
;P~
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1652[10:50:20] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
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1654[10:50:42] <colo-work> Haohmaru, dpkg -L <package>
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1655[10:51:15] <tp43_> how can I create a config file for xkb?
Like for xmodmap I created ~/.xmodmaprc and it used it. How can I
find this info for myself in the future? Like right now, is there
one, and if so, what is the file name for xkbset?
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1656[10:51:23] <Haohmaru> okay, found them
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1659[10:53:08] <tp43_> vi is giving me syntax highlight for
.xmodmaprc but if do the same with .xkbsetrc I get none
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1660[10:53:35] <tp43_> brb
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1672[10:58:02] <tp43_> I put in .xsessionrc xmodmap ~/.xmodmaprc
and it worked, it ran that command, but when I put in xkbset m, it
didn't work, anyone know what, what's the difference. I
see the xkbset is using an option, or supplying an argument
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1683[11:04:19] <tp43_> oh well, I just added the command in xfce4
setting autostart
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1686[11:06:16] <alioui_> bash pipe problem :
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1687[11:06:16] <alioui_> why cat file | xargs -n1 -I$ echo mv $
dest doesn't produce the rigth output ??
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1691[11:07:27] <alioui_> or xargs
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1699[11:10:26] <goldkatze> Does a maintainer get automatically
notified that her watchfile found a new version?
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1700[11:11:02] <goldkatze> Or does this just appear in qa and is
somewhat passive information?
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1706[11:14:15] <alkisg> alioui_: $ is a symbols for variables in
shell, you need to quote it or use a different replacement symbol
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1708[11:14:55] <alkisg> E.g. xargs -n1 -I@ echo mv @ dest
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1719[11:20:28] <n4dir> alioui_: sounds as if you might be looking
for something like this:
replaced-url
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1727[11:23:06] <NetTerminalGene> #deletefacebook
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1734[11:27:26] <alioui_> alkisg: doesn't work for me, even
if i use -i option default {} symbole
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1735[11:27:36] <alioui_> n4dir: no
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1738[11:28:14] <alioui_> NetTerminalGene: what is facebook
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1739[11:28:39] <NetTerminalGene> your master
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1740[11:28:45] <goldkatze> Probably typed the password to wrong
window
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1746[11:31:28] <alioui_> NetTerminalGene: :|
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1747[11:32:49] <n4dir> alioui_: why no? What do you want to do?
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1748[11:34:45] <n4dir> to me it looks as if you had filenames
stored in a file, read it with cat, pipe the output to xargs and do
echo to see in advance if you would mv the right files.
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1752[11:36:42] <alioui_> exactly, but i don't think i need
while loop or a shell scripting for that
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1753[11:37:05] <alioui_> piping command will do the job
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1754[11:38:05] <n4dir> #bash highly recommends against usage of
xargs. There is a reason the FAQ 1 is there, but whatever you
prefer.
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1760[11:39:13] <BCMM> n4dir: using xargs ever, or using xargs for
this sort of situation?
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1762[11:39:26] <BCMM> (i'm wondering if i can stop feeling
bad about never learning xargs)
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1763[11:40:16] <n4dir> BCMM: truth to be told, all i understand
is that they recommend against using it (both the bot and the wiki),
but i don't fully understand why. Here is what the bot says:
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1764[11:40:31] <n4dir> (11:21:06 AM) greybot: xargs(1) is
dangerous (broken, exploitable, etc.) when reading non-NUL-delimited
input. If you're working with filenames, use find's -exec
[command] {} + instead. If you can get NUL-delimited output, use
xargs -0. Otherwise, you probably want a while read or for loop
instead.
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1765[11:40:37] <n4dir> perhaps you can make some sense out of it.
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1766[11:42:41] <n4dir> i already had a bad feeling when using
"cat" to get data to process further (and greybot seems to
confirm it)
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1773[11:49:36] <alkisg> alioui_: ls /bin | xargs -n1 -I@ echo mv
@ dest
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1775[11:50:14] <alkisg> But best is: while read -r f; do mv
"$f" dest; done </path/to/inputfile
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1778[11:52:01] <n4dir> alkisg: i guess the same is true for the
command ls:
replaced-url
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1781[11:53:04] <n4dir> the bot even puts it in uppercase. :-)
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1782[11:53:06] <alkisg> n4dir: yes there are multitudes of waits
that people break shell commands; see my second "correct"
proposal
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1783[11:53:42] <alkisg> (it depends on inputfile and also files
not having newlines in their filenames)
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1784[11:53:50] <n4dir> alkisg: i mainly did chat. i am not too
serious about it.
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1785[11:54:50] <n4dir> well: and it is hard to get rid of bad
habits, once you are used to it.
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1795[11:58:50] <Thedarkb-X40> I'm looking to migrate back to
Debian after a long stint with Ubuntu
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1798[11:59:30] <FinalX> Shouldn't be too difficult?
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1800[11:59:45] <Thedarkb-X40> Should I go for Sid or stable?
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1801[11:59:55] <FinalX> We use both in our company, both managed
through Puppet and they can be managed relatively the same.
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1802[12:00:09] <FinalX> Depends on what you want to use it for,
but I'd stick with stable releases.
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1806[12:00:58] <n4dir> imho this isn't bad to make the
decision:
replaced-url
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1808[12:01:26] <n4dir> mainly 3.1.5
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1810[12:02:18] <colo-work> hm. there's new systemd packages
(libsystemd0 and friends) appearing in stretch, but no changelog
entry yet
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1811[12:02:31] <colo-work> anyone in the know what I'm
currently installing? 8)
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1818[12:04:15] <Thedarkb-X40> I was thinking about installing
stable and pulling packages from Sid as needed
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1822[12:05:41] <n4dir> think about it as much as you want, as
long you don't do it. never, ever.
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1823[12:06:04] <Thedarkb-X40> Oh, dep hell?
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1825[12:06:54] <n4dir> the bot has some info about it. I think
/msg dpkg frankendebian and /msg dpkg don't break debian
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1829[12:07:27] <n4dir> if you use stable, then check if
debian-backports have newer packages of the software you use.
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1833[12:08:08] <n4dir> if that is not the case, consider if
testing or sid is worth the trouble , that is: if you really are in
need of the newer version.
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1834[12:08:18] <n4dir> ok?
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1835[12:08:21] <Thedarkb-X40> Yeah
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1837[12:08:56] <n4dir> i would assume it is more sane to use Sid
instead of mixing stable with sid (or testing). Sure more easy to
troubleshoot.
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1886[12:32:32] <BCMM> running sid really isn't that bad... i
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1887[12:32:52] <BCMM> still got all the downsides of stable, but
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1907[12:42:05] <Emil> Oh is t such that the filters lolcat is
LOLCAT
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1954[13:19:31] <gamera> how would I diagnose why
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1955[13:19:37] <gamera> I can't open the settings panel
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1956[13:20:02] <gamera> when I use cli to open it it just says it
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1957[13:20:19] <gamera> there's one thing at startup that
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1977[13:32:28] <gamera> so something is messed up but I
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2049[14:17:16] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i've a strange
problem, i've installed the newest geforce driver from nvidia
and all is working, i can login to X11 but the only thing i see are
the icons, i get no pannels and such :(
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2051[14:17:45] <rocketmagnet> the driver is using dkms
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2052[14:18:07] <rocketmagnet> i'm using lightdm (mate) with
debian 9.4 (stable) fresh installation
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2055[14:18:59] <rocketmagnet> help needed :X
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2061[14:20:38] <rocketmagnet> installing it the debian way with
nvidia-driver didn't worked because of some unresolved packages
that are hold back :( so i tred the drivers from nvidia
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2062[14:21:39] <darxmurf> it should works
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2064[14:22:09] <rocketmagnet> the geforce driver are working but
in X11 i only see icons but no pannels at all :(
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2065[14:23:00] <RoyK> rocketmagnet: which distro? any custom
repos?
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2066[14:23:35] <rocketmagnet> debian 9.4 stable fresh install
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2068[14:23:52] <rocketmagnet> with mate as window manager
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2069[14:23:58] <RoyK> if you try it the debian way, what sort of
errors do you get?
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2070[14:24:57] <rocketmagnet> he holds some packages back because
of some unresolved issue, i asked before about that but i got no
answer that helped me, so i'm more interessted in getting mate
back up and running normaly not showing the icons
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2072[14:25:33] <RoyK> dunno - sorry - but perhaps I could help
the "old way"
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2074[14:26:50] <rocketmagnet> that means ?
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2075[14:27:20] <RoyK> by installing packages from the official
repos and looking at the dependency issues you had
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2076[14:27:49] <rocketmagnet> isn't threre a way i can
reinstall mate ?
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2077[14:27:49] <Thedarkb-X40> I've given up on getting my
ATi FireGL Mobility chipset to work under any Linux distro.
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2079[14:28:23] <RoyK> Thedarkb-X40: is it that bad?
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2080[14:28:38] <Thedarkb-X40> Yup
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2081[14:28:40] <Thedarkb-X40> No drivers.
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2083[14:28:41] <Thedarkb-X40> At all.
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2084[14:28:47] <RoyK> rocketmagnet: if it's a fresh install,
better reinstall from scratch
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2085[14:28:51] <RoyK> Thedarkb-X40: that sucks
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2086[14:29:24] <Thedarkb-X40> The AMD site has a download link
for Linux drivers, but they're actually Radeon drivers that
just give me white snow all over a black screen.
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2087[14:29:49] <Thedarkb-X40> The card does work fine under
Windows but I don't want to run Windows.
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2089[14:29:53] <Thedarkb-X40> It's a T41p ThinkPad
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2090[14:30:14] <RoyK> Thedarkb-X40: snow! I hate snow!
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2091[14:30:18] <Thedarkb-X40> Software rendering on a 1.5ghz
Pentium M isn't pleasant.
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2092[14:30:25] <RoyK> hehe
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2093[14:30:38] * RoyK throws a snowball in Thedarkb-X40's
direction
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2094[14:30:40] <Thedarkb-X40> Running the wrong microcode makes
for some pretty visual effects!
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2097[14:31:10] <Thedarkb-X40> We got an arseload of snow this
year.
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2098[14:31:14] <Thedarkb-X40> For some reason.
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2099[14:31:49] <RoyK> where?
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2100[14:31:57] <Thedarkb-X40> Ireland.
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2102[14:32:05] <RoyK> oslo here
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2103[14:32:05] <Thedarkb-X40> "Beast from the east" and
all that.
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2104[14:32:13] <jelly> rocketmagnet: perhaps you could wipe all
the closed nvidia stuff, and see if that fixes the held back mate
stuff
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2105[14:32:16] <Thedarkb-X40> Ah, you probably get it every year.
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2107[14:32:26] <RoyK> where in .ie?
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2108[14:32:33] <Thedarkb-X40> Kilkenny.
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2109[14:32:42] <RoyK> Thedarkb-X40: ok - I was there a few years
back…
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2115[14:33:26] <RoyK> Thedarkb-X40: we normally get snow, yes,
but not this amount of it, and spring is very late this year, and my
leg hurts and I'm angry and so on :þ
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2116[14:33:30] <jelly> rocketmagnet: aptitude purge '~i
?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' # to get rid of any
non-free driver components
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2121[14:35:09] <DK2>
replaced-url
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2123[14:35:44] <RoyK> DK2: it can't find the root device
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2126[14:36:45] <DK2> so?
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2127[14:37:05] <Thedarkb-X40> Hope you feel better soon
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2129[14:37:17] <RoyK> Thedarkb-X40: that is - I was in Kilkenny
in 2000 and three years back and last time, I met this bloke in a
bar, asking me what I was doing in town, and I told him I was at a
course with Dell, and he shrugged, Dell, they built up this town,
and then broke it down
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2131[14:37:58] <rocketmagnet> jelly: 0 packets actualised,
nothing installed 0 got removed and 0 got actualized 0 b an archives
must be downloaded
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2132[14:38:25] <rocketmagnet> is there a way i can reinstall mate
somehow ? i can run apps have the icons, only the top pannel is
missing
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2133[14:38:43] <RoyK> DK2: well, a linux system needs to find its
root, obviously
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2135[14:39:07] <jelly> rocketmagnet: then there's nothing
held back?
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2148[14:45:40] <Haohmaru> how (the hell) do i interpret this
location:
"/usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/5.4.1/../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld"
?!
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2149[14:45:48] <Haohmaru> specifically those ../../ things
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2150[14:46:11] <Haohmaru> does this go thru some black hole or
teleport?
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2154[14:48:10] <Haohmaru> do they mean "going back" or
something, or are they directory names which have been shortened
with ".." ?
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2161[14:48:43] <bites> ../ is the parent directory.
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2162[14:48:53] <mkey> ".." means "parent
directory", so yes, you're "going back"
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2165[14:49:23] <Haohmaru> so from inside the 5.4.1 folder, i go
back 3 times?
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2167[14:50:32] <Haohmaru> i learned something new today x_x
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2168[14:51:24] <mkey> Yes,
/usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/5.4.1/../../../ is equivalent to
/usr/lib/gcc/
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2169[14:52:48] <mkey> :)
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2171[14:53:23] <mkey> FYI, .. is parent directory and . (single)
is current directory. These are aliases
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2172[14:53:52] <Haohmaru> i knew that, i just did not know that
is a valid way to specify a full file path
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2173[14:54:31] <Haohmaru> and i was thinking that maybe gcc is
printing the full path with some of the folders shortened or
something
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2175[14:56:29] <Haohmaru> uh, mkey i counted 3 times and reached
/usr/lib/
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2178[14:57:09] * Haohmaru hits his GPS a few times and stares at the
coordinates
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2182[14:57:26] <rocketmagnet> hi again
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2183[14:57:36] <rocketmagnet> i get this error message: locale:
Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
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2186[14:58:01] <RoyK> rocketmagnet: which locale is that? usually
"apt install locales-all" will fix it, though
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2187[14:59:08] <rocketmagnet> i installed that package but
nothing changed, i get apt-listchanges: Can't set locale; make
sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct!
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2188[14:59:21] <RoyK> which locale?
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2193[15:01:04] <mkey> Haohmaru: yes you're right. My
mistake. You got it ;)
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2195[15:01:33] <rocketmagnet>
replaced-url
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2196[15:01:57] <rocketmagnet> RoyK: Jelli: ^
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2197[15:03:14] <rocketmagnet> it seems like he's missing
some packages
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2202[15:05:17] <RoyK> rocketmagnet: not sure, but why not
de_AT.utf8?
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2203[15:05:39] <RoyK> iso8859 has gone out of style
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2204[15:06:40] <rocketmagnet> but what's the error of
apt-listchanges is about ? there seems to be something important
missing
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2205[15:06:50] <rocketmagnet> it's a fresh stable debian
install
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2206[15:07:49] <RoyK> not sure, sorry
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2207[15:07:58] <rocketmagnet> i think i'll try ubuntu...
when the stable release makes me so much troubles i'll get
ubuntu a chance
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2209[15:08:37] <antoine__> airnf /iTDhAt_'`i-r-WLkcYd~P34?
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2210[15:08:39] <RoyK> rocketmagnet: you'll probably see the
same thing there ;)
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2216[15:11:12] <rocketmagnet> i'll give it a try, everything
i tried to get the geforce up and running (nvidia driver and the
debian way) both don't work (and if it's working i have no
gui tool to setup my graphics card settings
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2218[15:11:47] <mahafyi> Hi, i can add a self signed CA cert to
chrome (deb pkg downloaded from dl.google.com). I would like to ask
if anyone knows how to add it for all users in one go as I am able
to do it with command 'certutil' (which is from pkg
libnss3-tools) to $HOME/.pki/nssdb
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2220[15:12:25] <rocketmagnet> is there a debian developer channel
?
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2221[15:12:39] <rtp2342> rocketmagnet: if i buy a machine that is
supposed to run with linux, i avoid hardware which only runs with
closed source drivers
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2222[15:12:44] <rocketmagnet> they might be interessted about
what's wrong here with a fresh install
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2226[15:13:24] <rocketmagnet> rtp2342: the new graphics drivers
all work with opensource drivers also, only if you want bleeding
edge drivers you can use those from nvidia
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2227[15:14:01] <rtp2342> rocketmagnet: okay. still i'll
stick to intel graphics in the cpu.
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2229[15:14:43] <antoine__> Alright, that was my password, sent by
my password manager, after #debian opened automatically while it was
autotyping...
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2230[15:14:52] <rocketmagnet> i need real 3d accel
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2232[15:15:03] <BanHammor> rocketmagnet, you might wanna file a
bug report instead of talking on a dev channel
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2234[15:15:22] <BanHammor>
replaced-url
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2235[15:15:51] <antoine__> I am trying to compile something that
uses stdio.h, time.h and setjmp.h. I only get "no such file or
directory". I have gcc installed. Am I supposed to install
another package?
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2236[15:16:08] <rtp2342> antoine__: apt-get install
build-essential
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2239[15:16:47] <antoine__> Ok this is where I am screwed :(.
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2240[15:16:47] <annadane> *if* it's a bug report...
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2241[15:16:53] <annadane> and not some other underlying issue
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2242[15:16:57] <annadane> s/bug report/bug
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2243[15:17:13] <rtp2342> antoine__: why?
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2244[15:17:14] <BanHammor> antoine__, presumably build-essential
is installed, right?
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2245[15:17:33] <antoine__> I wanted to install keepassxc. It
wasn't in stable so I thought it would be a good idea to get it
from unstable. I activated that repo, installed keepassxc then went
back.
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2246[15:17:46] <antoine__> Now I know why is wasn't a good
idea :(.
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2247[15:17:52] <BanHammor> ...oh no you should NOT do that, ever
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2249[15:18:07] <antoine__> Is it not too hard to downgrade?
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2250[15:18:07] <annadane> keepassxc relies on a newer gcc AFAIK,
so yeah...
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2251[15:18:18] <antoine__> Could I compile with that newer gcc?
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2253[15:18:41] <annadane> i forget, what is the command
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2254[15:18:45] <rtp2342> and to add a bonus problem, the password
manager pasted your password here
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2256[15:18:51] <annadane> keepassxc --depends -release sid
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2257[15:18:53] <annadane> or whatever
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2258[15:19:36] <antoine__> annadane: Am I supposed to type this
somewhere?
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2259[15:19:56] <annadane> no, it's a thing you give to the
irc bot and it tells you what dependencies it would have pulled in
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2260[15:20:03] <annadane> which is in your
/var/log/apt/history.log, anyway
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2261[15:20:21] <annadane> paste it to paste.debian.net (only the
relevant entry), you may have to reinstall
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2263[15:20:23] <antoine__> That was a few weeks ago.
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2264[15:20:37] <annadane> less /var/log/apt/history.log | grep
keepassxc
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2266[15:21:50] <annadane> because i know someone else had this
issue, i think
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2267[15:22:02] <annadane> and it pulled in newer gcc and from
there it's very much not trivial to downgrade
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2268[15:22:12] <annadane> and basically everything breaks
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2269[15:22:15] <antoine__> annadane:
replaced-url
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2270[15:22:53] <antoine__> Can I list all packages that I
downloaded from sid or buster?
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2271[15:23:01] <annadane> well, that's them
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2272[15:23:30] <antoine__> There might be another package for
which I did it. I am not sure at the moment.
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2276[15:24:06] <annadane> so that actually doesn't look too
terrible, i just wonder if the correct solution doesn't involve
"remove it and all those files", probably, but i just
wonder about mesa stuff
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2282[15:24:52] <annadane> i thought it would have pulled in a new
gcc but apparently that bullet has been dodged
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2285[15:25:23] <tw> probably only builddep.
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2286[15:25:33] <antoine__> annadane: Sorry for the non-english
stuff. This is what build-essential says it that matters
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2287[15:25:41] <antoine__> pardon my french hehe
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2288[15:26:03] <antoine__> if that matters*
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2289[15:26:19] <annadane> i can understand it but it's
better for others if it's in english
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2290[15:26:23] <annadane> !localized errors
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2291[15:26:23] <dpkg> To provide command output in English
instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one
(e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get
-f install".
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2292[15:26:44] <antoine__> Thanks for the tip
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2294[15:27:02] <annadane> anyway, i'll let other people
smarter than i am help with this
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2296[15:27:29] <antoine__> english equivalent:
replaced-url
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2300[15:28:20] <antoine__> Do you know how to list packages
installed from a specific repo? I'd like to list all from sid
and check whether there are any from buster.
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2302[15:29:09] <annadane> i'm not sure whether there's
a way or not. anyway as i said, i'd probably remove keepassxc
and all the stuff it installed, but don't take that as advice
just yet, maybe someone has a better idea
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2303[15:30:02] <annadane> also btw keepass2 and keepassx are in
debian stable, keepassxc is not the only version
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2305[15:30:25] <antoine__> Since keepassxc isn't in stable,
I think I'll have to remove it and install it from somewhere
else like direct download.
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2306[15:30:41] <antoine__> I prefer keepassxc :(. But yeah
it'd be easier to stick with one of those.
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2308[15:30:52] <annadane> well, depends what you mean by
"install", don't go around installing .deb's
from the internet
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2309[15:31:03] <annadane>
replaced-url
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2310[15:31:04] <antoine__> They provide a .deb on their website
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2311[15:31:15] <annadane> yeah, avoid installing .deb's from
the internet
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2313[15:31:49] <antoine__> yep :).
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2314[15:31:56] <annadane> the entire
replaced-url
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2315[15:32:38] <antoine__> I read it after my mistake :s.
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2316[15:32:43] <antoine__> I'll be safe now :).
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2317[15:33:07] <tw> Can't start X, can you?
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2318[15:33:09] <antoine__> Ok I'll just remove keepassxc and
dependancies.
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2320[15:33:48] <antoine__> autoremove won't remove all the
dependencies... I might have to do it manually :-(
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2321[15:33:51] <tw> you can check each package one at a time with
apt-cache policy packagename to see which version it matches.
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2326[15:34:15] <bites> apt doesn't track where packages have
been installed from, but if your system is updated thise comes
close: aptitude search "~S~i~Atesting"
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2327[15:34:41] <bites> but some packages might be found in
aptitude search ~o
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2330[15:35:27] <tw> Realistically, to get a functional system you
need to downgrade those upgrades and hope libgcrypt20 didn't
break anything like gpg.
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2334[15:35:59] <antoine__> bites: aptitude search
"~S~i~Atesting" doesn't return anything.
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2335[15:36:28] <antoine__> tw: Do I downgrade by just removing
and installing again?
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2336[15:36:31] <bites> replace testing with unstable if you want
packages from sid
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2337[15:36:55] <bites> only works if you still have the
repository in your sources.
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2339[15:37:51] <antoine__> Ok, I don't.
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2341[15:38:12] <tw> antoine__: I think you can apt-get -t=stretch
install packagename
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2342[15:38:14] <annadane> you can still add the repository
temporarily just to aptitude search and remove it before installing
anything else
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2344[15:38:21] <antoine__> bites: Do I activate it again, then
just `aptitude search "~S~i~Aunstable"` or do I need `apt
update` before?
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2346[15:38:38] <bites> you need to apt update before.
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2347[15:38:43] <antoine__> ok
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2348[15:38:46] <annadane> as long as you don't actually
install/update any packages then your sources.list is harmless
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2350[15:39:12] <antoine__> tw: What does this do?
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2351[15:39:36] <tw> installs the latest package from the stretch
repository.
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2352[15:39:36] <alkisg> antoine__: are you trying to downgrade a
lot of packages to their stock versions?
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2353[15:39:41] <antoine__> tw: Because it tells me: already the
newest version.
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2356[15:40:11] <antoine__> alkisg: Exactly, with "a
lot" begin around 10 I believe.
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2357[15:40:23] <Iridos> hm, I've used duplicity to do
encrypted backups to a remote drive… I think I'll want
to switch to something else… It's using up 8GB for its
index even on the local system… for something like 150G of
data… and it's slow
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2359[15:41:01] <alkisg> antoine__: there's a method for
that, you can set Pin-Priority: 1001 for origin *, and then just apt
dist-upgrade, which will prefer the versions from your sources over
the versions you have installed
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2360[15:41:14] <alkisg> It assumes you removed the problematic
sources before doing so
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2364[15:42:08] <annadane> Iridos, i wonder if that's
something rsync can't do already, encrypted backups
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2367[15:42:41] <Iridos> admittedly, it's 8GB for 4
increments or so… still…
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2368[15:42:50] <antoine__> bites: Well, does this make sense?
`aptitude search "~S~i~Atesting" | wc` says 399. Do I
really have that many?
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2369[15:43:06] <antoine__> unsable being 390...
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2370[15:43:17] <Iridos> trying to restore a file since…
uh, more than yesterday… the slowness makes errors time
costly
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2371[15:43:19] <antoine__> alkisg: You might have just savec me!
I'll try this :).
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2372[15:43:23] <alkisg> antoine__: anyway, in case you need it,
try google translate on this:
replaced-url
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2373[15:43:50] <alkisg> Someone here mention Priority: 1001
before, and I tried it, and it worked fine both on Debian and Ubuntu
with the same instructions
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2376[15:44:04] <alkisg> So I made that tiny how-to
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2377[15:44:13] <annadane> russian?
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2378[15:44:13] <antoine__> Did you write this?
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2379[15:44:20] <alkisg> Yeah, it's Greek
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2380[15:44:21] <antoine__> greek it seems :).
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2381[15:44:24] <annadane> oh. right.
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2382[15:44:30] <Iridos> annadane, I thought… maybe
something like rsnapshot onto an encrypted drive-in-a-file via sshfs
or so… but … madness this way lies
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2383[15:44:31] <tw> Iridos: might try restic. I'd say obnam,
but that's no longer under development.
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2385[15:44:41] <antoine__> Ok I just translated it, will let you
know if gtranslate doesn't make snese :).
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2386[15:44:48] <alkisg> Sure, ping me if so
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2389[15:45:00] <Iridos> tw, will have a look, thanks
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2390[15:45:13] <annadane> alternatively,
replaced-url
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2391[15:45:29] <antoine__> yep, sadly not yet :(
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2392[15:45:37] <Iridos> "Likewise, restoring data should not
be complicated." … yeah… guess I will try that
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2393[15:46:03] <alkisg> antoine__: so the steps are, remove bad
sources, put 3 lines in preferences.d/50priorities, apt update, apt
dist-upgade, then remove the 50priorities file
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2394[15:46:10] <bites> antoine__: some are probably the same
version in unstable and testing, that's why they are listed in
both searches. are you on testing? because that's a lot of
packages from there if you are on stable.
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2396[15:46:33] <antoine__> bites: I am on stable.
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2397[15:46:37] <antoine__> or supposed to be.
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2398[15:46:46] <antoine__> alkisg: Thanks a lot :).
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2399[15:46:50] <alkisg> np
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2402[15:47:18] <bites> antoine__: and you have almost 400
packages from testing/unstable that's probably not that good.
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2403[15:47:20] <Iridos> tw, yeah, looks similar to duplicity but
trying to address the things driving me mad about it… will
try that after easter, thanks
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2404[15:47:31] <tw> It's pretty fast.
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2405[15:47:38] <annadane> antoine__, if you post to
paste.debian.net "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"?
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2406[15:47:48] <tw> obnam is pretty fast too as long as you stay
under like 2-3 TB of data.
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2407[15:47:55] <tw> But again, deprecated by developer =|
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2408[15:48:09] <annadane> or i don't remember whether you
have a graphical interface, you can also use termbin
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2409[15:48:10] <annadane> !termbin
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2410[15:48:10] <dpkg> well, termbin is you can paste to
termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com
9999
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2412[15:48:32] <annadane> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc
termbin.com 9999
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2414[15:48:56] <alkisg> apt-cache policy | nc termbin.com 9999
=> includes sources.list.d
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2415[15:48:58] <antoine__> bites: Yep I'm surprised
actually. alkisg's solution would "update" about 100.
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2416[15:49:26] <alkisg> Maybe you enabled testing in the past and
ran an apt upgrade
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2417[15:49:30] <JyZyXEL> tw: there was also Attic and bup
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2418[15:49:36] <antoine__> annadane:
replaced-url
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2421[15:50:19] <annadane> yeah and the testing and unstable repos
are from trying to add keepassxc
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2422[15:50:23] <Iridos> tw, my disk here is kind of tiny…
so an 8GB local index is quite an annoyance in itself
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2426[15:51:14] <bites> antoine__: don't forget to remove the
sources again and run apt update before you install anything.
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2427[15:51:29] <antoine__> bites: What do you mean remove the
soruces again?
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2428[15:51:31] <antoine__> sources*
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2429[15:51:45] <bites> antoine__: for sid and buster.
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2430[15:52:11] <bites> antoine__: you added them to run the
aptitude search.
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2431[15:52:15] <antoine__> bites: Right, I did it I believe :).
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2433[15:52:26] <antoine__> Thanks!
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2435[15:52:42] <annadane> oh, or that. pay attention, anna.
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2436[15:53:30] <tw> Iridos: I dunno how much it will help. If
you're running several million small files like my dev box, the
history metadata is going to get big on you. Granted, 8GB is
excessive.
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2445[15:56:11] <Iridos> tw, duplicity says it has about a million
files…
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2453[16:00:37] <antoine__> alkisg: I followed your method,
installed build-essential without any problem, installed keepassxc
from a .deb from their website. It all works good now and my program
compiles :).
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2454[16:00:56] <antoine__> bites: tw: annadane: alkisg: Thank you
all very much :).
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2455[16:01:07] <dzove855> 19
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2457[16:01:25] <annadane> i said _not_ to do that...
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2462[16:04:19] <alkisg> antoine__: np :)
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2467[16:06:55] <antoine__> annadane: Are you referring to me
installing a .deb?
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2468[16:07:11] <annadane> yes
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2469[16:07:42] <antoine__> Is it because it won't be tracked
by apt or because I can't trust as much the place where I got
it from?
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2472[16:09:22] <annadane> trust is probably fine (with the small
caveat that the debian package repositories have cryptographically
verified packages so you don't get a malicious download),
it's that it doesn't get tracked by apt and can cause
future system problems
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2473[16:10:27] <antoine__> When it comes to stable, will it get
tracked by apt or will I need to remove it and install in again fro
apt?
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2474[16:10:30] <antoine__> from*
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2475[16:10:33] <annadane> you likely don't need to worry
about malicious downloads anyway unless there's a specific
active adversary
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2477[16:10:40] <bites> it's probably fine.
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2478[16:10:58] <annadane> alrighty.
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2479[16:11:08] <annadane> still, avoid doing that in future
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2481[16:11:36] <antoine__> Sure, I'll remember it :). Thanks
for your tips!
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2482[16:11:55] <antoine__> But still, will I need to do something
once it comes to stable?
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2483[16:12:11] <bites> if the package has the same name and you
upgrade to buster later, apt will update it without a problem.
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2489[16:13:26] <greycat> Ideally.
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2490[16:13:43] <greycat> As we learned from dmm, ideal != real.
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2494[16:14:43] <antoine__> bites: Oh, buster being the next
stable. Ok, perfect :).
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2495[16:14:49] <antoine__> greycat: What is dmm? :)
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2497[16:15:10] <greycat> !dmm
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2498[16:15:10] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
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2500[16:15:33] <antoine__> Thanks!
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2501[16:16:07] <antoine__> Oh and I've been wondering, when
is firefox quantum coming to stable? I can't seem to understand
to release cycle.
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2502[16:16:21] <antoine__> the release cycle*
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2504[16:16:36] <greycat> If a quantum release becomes Firefox
ESR, then it will probably appear in stretech.
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2506[16:16:49] <crimson_king> I think Firefox 60 will be ESR
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2507[16:16:54] <crimson_king> Last i read
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2508[16:17:26] <greycat> current Firefox ESR is 52.7.3
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2509[16:17:27] <bites> not sure, i think there are some build
deps missing on stretch so those would have to be backported too.
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2510[16:17:29] <annadane> i believe it's 59
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2511[16:17:37] <antoine__> So, shortly after Mozilla releases the
next ESR version of Firefox?
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2512[16:17:55] <annadane> quantum is coming to stable in about
3-4 months
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2513[16:18:01] <annadane> as firefox esr
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2514[16:18:24] <greycat> Sounds reasonable. ~6 months to make it
actually stable.
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2515[16:18:33] <annadane> of course, it's entirely possible
to use it now
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2517[16:18:38] <annadane> wiki.debian.org/Firefox
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2518[16:19:01] <rtp2342> annadane: i wonder which of my add-ons
will run in quantum then
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2519[16:19:15] <annadane> probably none of them because mozilla
eats children
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2520[16:19:24] <rtp2342> annadane: :)
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2522[16:19:36] <antoine__> Looks like it'll be ESR 59
replaced-url
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2524[16:20:02] <antoine__> annadane: Does Mozilla have a bad
reputation?
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2525[16:20:07] <annadane> ESR 52 will also reach EOL in a few
months so whenever that is, with a bit of overlap
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2527[16:20:15] <greycat> antoine__: in some cases, yes.
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2528[16:20:27] <annadane> antoine__, i'm mostly joking. but
one problem is that quantum uses a different framework and so has
broken people's extensions
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2533[16:21:11] <antoine__> Oh it was a joke :).
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2535[16:21:24] <antoine__> They've been around for a long
time, making free software so I like them :).
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2536[16:21:31] <greycat> It's mostly not a joke. They keep
breaking backward compat and ruining everything.
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2537[16:21:37] <crimson_king> you can install the latest Firefox
as a Snap. Are snaps working on Debian?
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2540[16:21:52] <annadane> some people object to
"spying" but i'm not sure how true it is
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2542[16:22:02] <annadane> there are some complaints
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2544[16:22:15] <jelly> annadane: it remains to be seen how ESR59
is going to land in stable, seeing as there's no compiler in
stable able to build the rust bits
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2545[16:22:24] <jelly> AFAIUI
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2546[16:22:34] <annadane> yeah, there's no firm plan yet
afaik
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2547[16:22:39] <annadane> but that's the general plan
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2550[16:24:39] <crimson_king>
replaced-url
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2551[16:24:46] <bites> maybe they will patch it to compile on an
older rustc :>
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2552[16:24:57] <jelly> there's NO rustc in stretch at all
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2554[16:25:22] <bites> there was no in jessie
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2555[16:25:29] <jelly> oh, there actually is something.
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2556[16:25:38] <jelly> ,v rustc
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2557[16:25:39] <judd> Package: rustc on amd64 -- stretch:
1.14.0+dfsg1-3; buster: 1.24.1+dfsg1-1; sid: 1.24.1+dfsg1-1
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2558[16:25:52] <annadane> well, they'll figure something
out, i guess
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2559[16:25:56] <bites> but it's not good enough.
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2561[16:26:06] <jelly> clearly backporting the compiler AND the
one app is the right way
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2562[16:26:08] * jelly hides
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2565[16:26:21] <annadane> i mean you joke, but...
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2567[16:26:40] <jelly> ,checkbackport rustc
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2568[16:26:41] <judd> Backporting package rustc in
sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: cargo:native (>= 0.19.0)
<!pkg.rustc.dlstage0>, rustc:native (>= 1.23.0+dfsg)
<!pkg.rustc.dlstage0>, llvm-4.0-dev:native (>= 1:4.0.1-8),
llvm-4.0-tools:native (>= 1:4.0.1-8), libllvm4.0 (>=
1:4.0.1-8).
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2569[16:26:49] * annadane sadface.
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2572[16:27:04] <annadane> "ok so just backport *those*
packages!"
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2573[16:27:05] <antoine__> How come when I type `sudo apt install
firefox` says something like "No such version of firefox
available, but it is in the database."?
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2574[16:27:05] <jelly> and llvm and whatever cargo is!
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2575[16:27:28] <annadane> because firefox itself isn't in
the repository, it's only available as firefox-esr
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2577[16:27:50] <annadane> also i assume it's reading out the
commented out testing/sid lines (i may be wrong)
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2578[16:27:54] <linuxconformer> are firewalls on by default in
stretch?
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2580[16:28:04] <antoine__> How come it is in the database then
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2581[16:28:07] <jelly> linuxconformer: there's no firewall
by default
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2582[16:28:09] <greycat> linuxconformer: no
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2584[16:28:15] <linuxconformer> hmm ok strange
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2586[16:28:48] <jelly> ,provides firefox-esr
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2587[16:28:49] <annadane> because i _think_ it's reading
from the sources.list the testing/sid lines you commented out but
i'm not sure
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2588[16:28:49] <judd> Package firefox-esr in stretch/amd64
provides: gnome-replaced-url
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2589[16:29:14] <jelly> huh. I expected it would provide firefox
and that's where apt would know about it.
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2591[16:29:44] <linuxconformer> i'm trying to access port
6000 on my debian vagrant image, it works fine inside the image, but
from host i gives me "This site can’t be reached
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2592[16:29:44] <linuxconformer> "
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2593[16:29:46] <greycat> "apt-cache showpkg firefox"
shows a whole lot of Reverse Depends
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2594[16:29:52] <linuxconformer> any ideas what could be the
issue/
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2595[16:29:54] <linuxconformer> ?
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2596[16:30:16] <linuxconformer> i've set
"forwarded_port", still not dice
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2598[16:30:27] <greycat> e.g. xsane has "Recommends:
cups-client, firefox |
replaced-url
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2599[16:30:36] <annadane> oh is that how it works
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2600[16:30:59] <annadane> anyway, tl;dr: browsers are a mess
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2604[16:34:40] <antoine__> Thanks a lot for all the help. I can
go back to work now.
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2605[16:34:44] <antoine__> Have a good day :).
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2607[16:34:55] <antoine__> whatever is left of it!
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2609[16:35:13] <bites> .o/~
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2613[16:35:23] <linuxconformer> anyone know?
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2618[16:36:35] <bites> linuxconformer: how does your forwarding
rule look? => paste.debian.net. is your server only listening to
localhost and you try to access it using your guest's ip?
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2621[16:38:00] <linuxconformer> bites: this is my forwarding
rule:
replaced-url
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2624[16:39:05] <bites> so on the host you try to access 8080,
right?
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2626[16:39:14] <linuxconformer> yeah
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2627[16:39:20] <bites> and that's port 5000 you have there
not 6000
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2628[16:39:37] <linuxconformer> bites: sorry, i meant 5000
originally
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2630[16:40:02] <linuxconformer> i can access it fine within the
vm (from localhost:5000), just not outside
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2632[16:40:40] <greycat> Is the process listening only to
localhost, or to *?
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2633[16:40:40] <linuxconformer> could it be that it somehow only
let's port 80 be accessed (on the guest i mean)
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2638[16:41:10] <linuxconformer> greycat: can you elaborate/
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2640[16:41:24] <greycat> ss or netstat or lsof; what address is
the process listening to?
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2641[16:41:55] <jelly> what is vagrant anyway
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2644[16:42:11] <annadane> <--
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2645[16:42:18] <bites> virtual machines for dev environments.
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2647[16:43:04] <jelly> so separate VMs, which means there has to
be a network component to connect them
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2648[16:43:19] <linuxconformer> one vm (debian), and then my host
(laptop)
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2650[16:43:29] <linuxconformer> greycat: which process
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2651[16:43:30] <greycat> ss -ln | grep :5000 # for example
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2652[16:43:43] <greycat> Whatever process you are trying to talk
to on port 5000.
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2654[16:43:54] <linuxconformer> greycat: tcp LISTEN 0 128
127.0.0.1:5000 *:*
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2655[16:44:02] <greycat> It's listening on 127.0.0.1 only.
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2656[16:44:17] <linuxconformer> oh, how can i tell that?
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2659[16:44:26] <greycat> because it says 127.0.0.1:5000 instead
of *:5000
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2660[16:44:45] <linuxconformer> greycat: but shouldn't
vagrant take care of that?
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2662[16:44:53] <greycat> I don't know what vagrant is, and I
don't know what this process is.
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2664[16:45:15] <greycat> You can either tell the process to bind
to all interfaces instead of loopback only, or you can use an ssh
tunnel.
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2665[16:45:19] <alkisg> Maybe it's trying to be secure,
forwarding only on the host and not on the local network
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2666[16:45:38] <alkisg> There should be a setting to change that
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2667[16:45:39] <jelly> maybe this is a question for a vagrant
channel
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2669[16:46:20] <jelly> there's precious little debian inside
a VM can do to fix network between host and VM
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2670[16:46:22] * alkisg quickly tested vagrant and thought it
wasn't too production ready, docker was much more mature...
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2673[16:47:10] <linuxconformer> really appreciate the help guys,
thank you!
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2677[16:48:23] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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2678[16:48:37] <ychaouche> I was wondering if php5query was
debian specific ?
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2683[16:50:01] <ychaouche> and if anybody knew what was sapi_name
supposed to be ?
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2693[16:57:19] <xecuter> hi
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2694[16:57:27] <xecuter> is here "Armbian" too?
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2695[16:57:39] <greycat> !armbian
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2696[16:57:39] <dpkg> i guess armbian is a distribution <based
on Debian> made specifically for several <ARM> processors.
Armbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian.
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2698[16:57:56] <xecuter> hmm ok
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2704[16:59:47] <xecuter> hey, greycat , are you knowing asus
tinkerboard?
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2710[17:00:43] <xecuter> is tinker = expansive lame stuff?
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2711[17:01:35] <annadane> i guess the armbian factoid should list
where one can go for support
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2713[17:01:57] <greycat> If you know of such a place, go ahead
and add it....
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2714[17:02:06] <annadane> yeah, looking it up
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2724[17:05:16] <xecuter> kk ty
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2725[17:05:23] <annadane> dpkg, no, armbian is <reply> i
guess armbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made
specifically for several <ARM> processors. Armbian is not
Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Use
replaced-url
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2726[17:05:24] <dpkg> okay, annadane
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2742[17:11:54] <Zgrokl> hi git-cola from stretch make me a core
dump
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2743[17:11:58] <Zgrokl> what can I do
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2745[17:12:25] <jelly> what does it do? Maybe there are
alternatives
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2749[17:13:46] <jelly> ,v git-cola
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2750[17:13:47] <judd> Package: git-cola on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.4.3.5-1; jessie: 2.0.6-1; stretch: 2.10-1; buster: 3.0-1; sid:
3.0-1
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2753[17:14:07] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: Can you show us the command
+ output when you run it in the terminal? And also the output of
'apt-cache policy', and 'apt-cache policy
git-cola'.
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2754[17:14:28] <Zgrokl> i want but there is no log petn-randall
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2756[17:14:29] <Zgrokl> git-cola -v
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2757[17:14:29] <Zgrokl> Erreur de segmentation
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2759[17:15:20] <Zgrokl> policy say : 2.10-1 500
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2760[17:15:20] <Zgrokl> 500
replaced-url
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2765[17:15:41] <annadane> don't paste "apt-cache
policy" here; use paste.debian.net
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2767[17:15:46] <Zgrokl> sorry
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2768[17:15:53] <petn-randall> Sorry, should have said that.
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2769[17:15:59] <annadane> that one is fine, just not
"apt-cache policy" by itself
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2770[17:16:08] <annadane> as it involves massive amounts of spam
and will get you kicked by the bot
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2778[17:17:07] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: Does it work from a newly
created user?
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2781[17:17:23] <petn-randall> You might have local pip packges
from python that break it.
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2784[17:18:54] <Zgrokl> petn-randall, jelly
replaced-url
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2790[17:19:46] <Zgrokl> petn-randall, yes i already tried it,
pip2 and pip3 say : Cannot uninstall requirement git-cola, not
installed
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2793[17:21:06] <Zgrokl> from a new user : Segmentation fault
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2797[17:22:28] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: Runs fine here, so we need
to find out whats different on your system.
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2799[17:22:41] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: does it segfault
everywhere, or just in the git repo dir?
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2800[17:22:47] <nkuttler> Zgrokl: anything in /usr/local ?
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2801[17:23:07] <nkuttler> /usr/local/lib/python* in particular
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2803[17:23:56] <jelly> strace -f -eopen git-cola |grep suspicious
stuff like /usr/local ?
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2807[17:26:32] <jelly> (pseudocode, strace outputs to stderr)
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2855[17:50:07] <KaibutsuX> I was told debian uses bit by bit
deterministic builds for its sources. Does anyone know how that
process works?
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2857[17:50:36] <greycat> Sounds like you're actually asking
about "reproducible builds", something I don't really
understand.
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2859[17:51:23] <petn-randall> KaibutsuX:
replaced-url
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2860[17:51:35] <antoine__> Hey, I am the guy who downgraded
Debian a few hours ago. My computer won't boot. It says it
misses the file
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2861[17:51:40] <antoine__> libEGL.so.1
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2864[17:52:02] <antoine__> I believe I downgraded some mesa
related package. Could it be because of that?
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2866[17:52:14] <petn-randall> !downgrade
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2867[17:52:14] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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2868[17:52:17] <greycat> I doubt that's needed to boot,
except possibly by a Display Manager.
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2869[17:52:24] <Tenkawa> hmmm
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2870[17:52:28] <petn-randall> antoine__: Who recommended you
downgrade?
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2873[17:52:34] <greycat> In any case, it's in libegl1-mesa
on my computer.
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2875[17:52:44] <greycat> libegl1-mesa:amd64:
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libEGL.so.1.0.0
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2878[17:53:15] <antoine__> petn-randall: It was my fault, I
installed stuff from buster.
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2879[17:53:23] <antoine__> And needed to go back.
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2880[17:53:29] <annadane> i did *not* say downgrade the packages
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2882[17:53:45] <annadane> i said you *might* be able to remove
packages that were installed as a results of keepass
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2883[17:53:49] <antoine__> annadane: I did *not* say it was you.
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2884[17:54:12] <Iridos> I did *not* say anything on the matter
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2886[17:54:58] <jelly> I *like* asterisks
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2887[17:55:37] <annadane> that's probably a bit too snappy.
sorry.
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2888[17:55:45] <annadane> my fault.
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2891[17:55:54] <antoine__> greycat: Could I reinstall this one
then? I have a command line access to my computer but not sure how
to set up internet (wired) from there.
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2894[17:56:07] <greycat> You can try.
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2896[17:56:17] <Zgrokl> jelly, what i need to do with your
command ?
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2908[18:00:06] <antoine__> I systemctl start
systemd-networkd.service after I wrote an
/etc/systemd/50-wired.network
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2911[18:00:13] <antoine__> No luck internet doesn't work
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2914[18:00:27] <antoine__> Would you help me out getting
internet? :(
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2917[18:00:48] <antoine__> ip addr show does show an IP address
though
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2925[18:06:15] <antoine__> greycat: Would you have a link maybe
so I could get internet? :s
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2930[18:07:43] <petn-randall> antoine__: Your best bet is to do a
clean reinstall.
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2931[18:08:13] <petn-randall> antoine__: Starting to debug which
packages still need downgrading, and then reverting any changes the
postinstall scripts make will take days to fix.
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2932[18:08:39] <antoine__> petn-randall: I guess thaths what I
will do :(.
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2933[18:09:22] <antoine__> Don't have a USB key with me
anyways... Thanks again for the help
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2934[18:09:25] <antoine__> Bbye
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2944[18:14:02] <Zgrokl> petn-randall, do you know if there is a
way for me to use git-cola ?
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2955[18:18:30] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: Can you paste the complete
output of `strace -f -eopen git-cola` to
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2961[18:19:16] <Zgrokl> oh i don't have intel-microcode
installed
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2962[18:19:20] <Zgrokl> maybe that's why
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2964[18:19:52] <petn-randall> I highly doubt it.
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2967[18:21:11] <Zgrokl> petn-randall,
replaced-url
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2986[18:29:13] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: The last 3 lines show your
problem. You're loading a shared library from
/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/sip.so.
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2988[18:29:21] <phd> hi all
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2989[18:30:49] <Zgrokl> petn-randall, thanks for that, do you
know if there is a things to know which package is this file ?
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2990[18:31:17] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: It's not from any
official Debian package, likely from installing python packages as
root.
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2992[18:31:47] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: if `dlocate
/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/sip.so` returns nothing,
it's not even from a 3rd party package, but installed by hand.
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2996[18:32:41] <Zgrokl> too late i rm it
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2997[18:32:54] <Zgrokl> but thanks for all that obscure command i
didn't know about
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3000[18:33:20] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: You can still run it, even
if you deleted the file. :)
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3001[18:33:33] <Zgrokl> ye git-cola works know
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3003[18:33:52] <Zgrokl> was a lib for pyqt i deployed long time
ago
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3004[18:34:00] <Zgrokl> thanks a lot
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3007[18:34:20] <petn-randall> Zgrokl: You're welcome!
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3016[18:37:54] <johnfg> I got this at the end of the
dist-upgrade, going from jessie->stretch:
replaced-url
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3018[18:38:12] <johnfg> Anything I should do about these errors
before I boot into stretch?
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3021[18:38:49] <annadane> very yes
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3022[18:38:52] <annadane> what, i don't know
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3023[18:39:02] <Tenkawa> just a sec
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3025[18:39:09] <Tenkawa> let me look
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3027[18:39:36] <annadane> if you scroll up you ought to see what
specifically gave errors when processing them
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3028[18:39:42] <annadane> not sure how far your scrollback goes,
however
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3029[18:40:06] <Tenkawa> yeah we need more than those 5 lines
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3032[18:40:20] <johnfg> annadane: I just looked at that and so
will paste them too.
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3033[18:40:38] <johnfg> Tenkawa: as above.
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3034[18:40:55] <greycat> (which is why the release notes suggest
doing upgrades in a 'script' session, so it's all
logged to a file)
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3036[18:41:51] <johnfg> Here it is with the same last 5 lines:
replaced-url
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3040[18:42:53] <Tenkawa> did you run apt-get update first?
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3041[18:42:55] <juanmapalad> how is debain different from fedora?
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3043[18:43:03] <johnfg> Tenkawa: Yes.
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3044[18:43:07] <Tenkawa> then apt-get upgrade?
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3045[18:43:25] <greycat> !why debian
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3046[18:43:25] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom
whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of
making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See
also
replaced-url
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3047[18:43:25] <johnfg> Tenkawa: No, apt-get dist-upgrade.
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3048[18:43:43] <Tenkawa> you need to resolve upgrade before
dist-upgrade
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3050[18:43:45] <annadane> so, fedora as i understand is
essentially the beta for red hat, debian is its own entity entirely.
fedora is also i believe rolling, whereas debian (stable) is much
more conservative about updates
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3052[18:43:56] <Tenkawa> possibly even dselect-upgrade
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3053[18:44:00] <annadane> there is testing and unstable of
course, but stable is the "default option"
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3056[18:44:31] <johnfg> So, which to do next? upgrade or
dselect-upgrade?
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3058[18:45:00] <Tenkawa> what were you doing to get to this
point?
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3059[18:45:11] <Tenkawa> (I'm still playing catchup
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3060[18:45:12] <Tenkawa> )
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3064[18:46:20] <johnfg> Tenkawa: After backing up the various
directories and files recommended by the release notes, I changed,
in sources.list, jessie to stretch, then ran apt-get update, then
apt-get dist-upgrade. Then came those errors.
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3065[18:46:32] <Tenkawa> ahhhhh
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3067[18:46:44] <annadane> it's a wonderful day
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3071[18:46:53] <Tenkawa> run this first
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3072[18:46:59] <Tenkawa> apt-get --dry-run upgrade
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3074[18:47:08] <Tenkawa> does that report any errors?
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3075[18:47:20] <Tenkawa> if not run it again without dry-run
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3080[18:48:08] <johnfg> Tenkawa: Yes, there are errors:
replaced-url
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3081[18:48:34] <greycat> The stretch release notes say that
you're supposed to do "apt-get upgrade" first, then
"apt-get dist-upgrade".
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3082[18:49:02] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3083[18:49:07] <johnfg> greycat: I missed that :-( What I get for
perusing/skimming vs. *reading*
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3084[18:49:19] <Tenkawa> same greycat thats what I was just
having him test
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3085[18:49:25] <johnfg> Should I do the apt-get -f install?
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3086[18:49:33] <Tenkawa> i think he's got a half-upgraded
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3087[18:49:47] <Tenkawa> er s/same//
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3089[18:51:23] <Tenkawa> I think the apt-get -f install in single
user could get it fixed but it might still be touchy
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3090[18:51:32] <johnfg> What's the next step you'd
suggest?
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3091[18:51:54] <Tenkawa> johnfg: anything crucial on here?
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3092[18:52:23] <greycat> apt-get -f install sounds like a
reasonable thing to try next
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3093[18:52:28] <Tenkawa> indeed
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3095[18:52:57] <johnfg> Tenkawa: Yes, this machine is a web
server, kerberos sever/host, openafs-server, etc.
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3096[18:53:01] <juanmapalad> any video tutorial for debian you
recommend? im a starter btw
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3097[18:53:15] <annadane> no video tutorials, but i'll hook
you up with some links, give me a moment
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3098[18:53:20] <Tenkawa> johnfg: ouch
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3099[18:53:31] <greycat> If you're the kind who needs video
tutorials to learn, Debian may not be the right fit for you.
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3100[18:53:42] <annadane>
replaced-url
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3101[18:54:40] <annadane>
replaced-url
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3102[18:55:04] <johnfg> Before this upgrade of jessie, I
installed stretch in a vm with *no* problems or snags whatsoever,
and it was fast and simple, imho.
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3103[18:55:27] <annadane> if nothing else, read don't break
debian, i guarantee you will avoid 95% of problems
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3104[18:55:38] <hypn0> juanmapalad: itsan os, what do you need
video tutrials for
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3107[18:56:10] <annadane> i could make a stock factoid for
"i'm new to debian, can i have tutorials"
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3108[18:56:19] <juanmapalad> iknow. i need something to study.
just like cbt nuggets videos
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3109[18:56:21] <johnfg> the apt-get -f install seems to be going
well, no errors reported so far. What do you recommend next?
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3111[18:57:30] <greycat> waiting for that to finish :)
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3115[18:58:08] <annadane> juanmapalad, and above *anything* else,
don't rush things and guess solutions, if you're unsure if
something ask the lovely people on irc
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3116[18:58:16] <annadane> s/if/of
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3117[18:58:31] <greycat> guessing can lead to some very intense
learning
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3119[18:59:18] <juanmapalad> @annadane, thanks :)
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3129[19:02:04] <johnfg> I've run debian for a long time, and
I think stretch has been the simplest and easiest yet to install
from scratch.
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3131[19:02:35] <annadane> dpkg, newcomer is <reply> Welcome
to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way:
The Debian Handbook:
replaced-url
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3132[19:02:36] <dpkg> annadane: i already had it that way
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3133[19:02:37] <johnfg> I don't consider what I'm doing
now debian's fault, just me needing to learn to follow
directions.
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3134[19:02:59] <annadane> oh. you can apparently set factoids in
#debian-bots
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3136[19:03:27] <johnfg> Ok greycat annadane that command
completed with no errors!
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3138[19:03:59] <greycat> I'd probably try Tenkawa's
"apt-get --dry-run upgrade" next.
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3140[19:05:31] <Tenkawa> --dry-run is a very useful tool
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3147[19:07:06] <DoNotSleep> Hey, hey.
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3149[19:08:06] <DoNotSleep> Who do I have to bump to get nss
upgraded in buster to 3.36?
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3151[19:08:28] <DoNotSleep> "A new upstream version 3.36 is
available, you should consider packaging it."
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3152[19:08:39] <annadane> !why is nss not in testing
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3153[19:08:40] <dpkg> nss is not in testing for the reasons
listed in
replaced-url
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3154[19:08:49] <johnfg> Ran, the dry-run with no errors. Lots of
screens of output.
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3155[19:08:58] <Tenkawa> thats good
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3156[19:09:10] <DoNotSleep> No excuse for nss!
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3157[19:09:15] <Tenkawa> you should be good to run it without
dry-run
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3158[19:09:41] <annadane> well, 3.36 isn't even in sid
yet... as debian typically follows upstream closely it should be
there soon
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3159[19:09:49] <annadane> and then testing has its own criteria
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3161[19:10:00] <jelly> ,v libnss3
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3162[19:10:02] <judd> Package: libnss3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2:3.14.5-1+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 2:3.26-1+debu7u5; jessie:
2:3.26-1+debu8u3; jessie-security: 2:3.26-1+debu8u3; stretch:
2:3.26.2-1.1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:3.26.2-1.1+deb9u1; buster:
2:3.35-2; sid: 2:3.35-2
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3166[19:10:35] <DoNotSleep> So it's anytime soon™?
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3167[19:10:43] <johnfg> Of course I'll let this rather large
upgrade complete, but, is the next step to run the dist-upgrade
again?
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3168[19:10:49] <jelly> DoNotSleep: so you want to help with
packaging and maintaining nss?
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3169[19:10:55] <Tenkawa> johnfg: yes
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3170[19:11:02] <DoNotSleep> Uh, oh.
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3171[19:11:06] <Tenkawa> after upgrade completes successfully
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3173[19:11:19] <johnfg> Tenkawa: greycat: annadane: Thanks for
your help thus far!
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3174[19:11:27] <Tenkawa> no problem
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3178[19:12:18] <Tenkawa> one thing I do nowadays is run it once
with the -d option to let it download everything locally first and
not run it
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3179[19:12:24] <DoNotSleep> The least thing I want to do is take
somebody elses job away.
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3180[19:12:32] <jelly> !debian-next
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3181[19:12:32] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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3182[19:12:59] <DoNotSleep> Alright, thanks! I'll give it a
bump.
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3183[19:13:15] <jelly> maintainers are usually aware there's
a newer version, since they added those checks themselves
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3184[19:13:40] <jelly> a "bump" is usually just
annoying and not helpful at all
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3186[19:14:01] <Tenkawa> johnfg: The download only flag is great
for keeping the packages locally before wanting to run the upgrade
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3187[19:14:09] <Tenkawa> just in case oops
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3190[19:15:18] <jelly> DoNotSleep: but if you want to help, feel
free to ask mozilla team what they need
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3192[19:15:51] <jelly> DoNotSleep: they have a tiny channel on
OFTC
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3196[19:17:58] <DoNotSleep> How would Mozilla help with upgrading
the package?
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3200[19:19:14] <greycat> Upstream is Mozilla. I think Jelly meant
"The Debian team that deals with Mozilla's packages."
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3204[19:19:45] <greycat> Maintainer: Maintainers of
Mozilla-related packages
<pkg-mozilla-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
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3205[19:19:53] <DoNotSleep> Alright, got it.
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3210[19:20:34] <greycat> I guess "momrp" isn't a
very elegant name.
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3215[19:21:55] <annadane> i actually wonder how often people
actually look at the faq, last updated 2016 apparently
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3216[19:22:03] <annadane> not that you can really designate
anyone to watch those things
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3218[19:22:29] <mbnt_> Hi, I have Debian stretch and have
experienced, about once a day at least, my computer freezing up and
requiring a hard reboot. I suspect it could be a graphics card
issue.
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3219[19:22:50] <annadane> what desktop environment/window manager
are you on?
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3222[19:23:26] <mbnt_> annadane, Wow, you are on Deian IRC in the
wee hours and during the day shift too?
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3223[19:23:43] <mbnt_> KDE
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3224[19:24:03] <annadane> you're probably using nouveau,
right? nouveau unfortunately sucks and i always had problems getting
it to work with KDE
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3225[19:24:06] <Tenkawa> johnfg: hows it going?
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3226[19:24:17] <mbnt_> annadane, No, AMD
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3227[19:24:22] <annadane> ah.
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3228[19:24:24] <mbnt_> MESA
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3229[19:24:38] <mbnt_> I want amd gpu pro, but AMD refuses to get
that to work
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3230[19:25:12] <annadane> and yes i am (very slightly) addicted
to irc
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3233[19:25:31] <mbnt_> annadane is many, they take shifts under
that handle
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3234[19:26:05] <annadane> i guess the most obvious place to start
is .xsession-errors
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3236[19:26:36] <mbnt_> for a lock-up/freeze-up han-solo style?
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3239[19:27:02] <annadane> for any sort of general error messages,
i'm not sure what one would look for specifically
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3256[19:33:06] <annadane> a clue might be if it happens the same
time every day
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3264[19:36:15] <sine0> does anyone know of a technique where I
can blind boot a tower and ssh into it to setup debian. i was
thinking a livecd with dhcp and ssh setup by default /
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3267[19:37:50] <mbnt_> annadane, No, it varies. Sometimes opening
a browser windows will do it, sometimes launching a Libre Office
document.
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3269[19:38:40] <annadane> checking other logs like
/var/log/messages around the time it happens also helps
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3270[19:39:21] <annadane> (or journalctl)
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3273[19:40:46] <mbnt_> annadane, Maybe my computer needs some
more proprietary firmware, some microcode blob or something
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3275[19:41:25] <annadane> possibly. you can try it.
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3279[19:42:17] <goldkatze> Does a maintainer get automatically
notified that her watchfile found a new version?
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3280[19:42:19] <mandeep> running glxinfo | grep OpenGL shows ES
profile 3.1. is there an available way to upgrade to ES 3.3?
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3281[19:42:27] <goldkatze> Or does this just appear in qa and is
somewhat passive information?
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3284[19:43:18] <annadane> firmware-amd-graphics is the firmware
package, apparently? i unfortunately don't know very much about
it
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3285[19:43:55] <alkisg> sine0: the easiest way is to put the disk
elsewhere and install there. Another is netbooting, a final is a
custom live cd
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3286[19:43:55] <mbnt_> annadane, Yeah, I already have that. I
probably need more.
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3287[19:44:16] <greycat> mbnt_: if you need more, it would show
you in dmesg | grep -i firmware
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3289[19:44:56] <annadane> yeah, i should have started with that
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3290[19:45:42] <mbnt_> greycat, thanks
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3292[19:45:59] <mbnt_> greycat, lots of DRM DRM DRM, Stallman
would turn over in his bed.
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3295[19:47:56] <mbnt_> Libre hardware cannot arrive soon enough.
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3300[19:50:30] <annadane> huh, weird. dmesg | grep firmware gives
me [ 0.174802] ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
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3301[19:50:40] <annadane> it's ACPI though, so i'll
just ignore it
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3304[19:51:21] <annadane> or i guess i could go ahead and install
intel-microcode though it doesn't say it's outdated
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3305[19:51:46] <annadane> may as well
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3306[19:51:49] <greycat> bios updates are separate things from
intel-microcode
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3307[19:52:16] <mbnt_> annadane, You need your cpu controlled by
outside forces who know better than you, or I for that matter
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3311[19:54:21] <annadane> oh apparently query ignored is harmless
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3312[19:54:26] <annadane> okay then
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3314[19:55:03] <mbnt_> Hooray for BB! BB! BB!
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3328[20:02:02] <mandeep> so it looks like even mesa 17.2 is using
ES 3.1 for broadwell chips
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3351[20:11:04] <sine0> alkisg: I think a custom livecd is the way
right, i could check to see if one supports dhcp already, then
attempt some install from there/
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3352[20:11:10] <johnfg> Hooray! the upgrade completed with no
errors!
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3354[20:11:20] <johnfg> Now, should I run dist-upgrade again?
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3355[20:11:29] <greycat> johnfg: yeah
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3356[20:11:39] <johnfg> k
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3359[20:12:14] <sine0> alkisg: do you know if its easy to create
a livecd ? could i create a netinstall vm and pull in the tools i
need and create that into a cd or do i need to get knowledgeable
with fstab
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3360[20:13:15] <johnfg>
replaced-url
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3363[20:15:44] <alkisg> sine0: can that hardware boot from a usb
stick? Installing and configuring debian with ssh and everything in
a usb stick or disk would be way easier than creating a live cd
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3366[20:16:21] <alkisg> sine0: and of course then you would be
able to copy that installation to the local disk as well
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3370[20:17:39] <sine0> alkisg: i was thinking usb rather than
disk, its old speak saying livecd, like saying tapes rather than
cd/mp3
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3371[20:17:57] <alkisg> sine0: then just install debian to a usb
stick and configure vnc/ssh/whatever
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3372[20:18:04] <alkisg> And boot with that
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3373[20:18:07] <sine0> i think i did something similar with
gentoo before and there was a changing root directory funbags
invoolved
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3384[20:23:09] <johnfg> greycat: Did you see my last? Anything I
should do about that?
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3385[20:23:57] <OtakuSenpai> my laptop fan isnt working
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3387[20:24:01] <OtakuSenpai> what should i do
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3396[20:26:06] <OtakuSenpai> help
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3397[20:26:32] <hop> security.d.o has libapache2-mod-php5 in
version ...u13, but there has been no DSA and packages.d.o also only
knows about u12. where can i find info on this _now_?
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3399[20:26:51] <RoyK> dpkg: tell OtakuSenpai about ask
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3402[20:27:17] <OtakuSenpai> RoyK: my laptop's fan isnt
working
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3403[20:27:44] <RoyK> OtakuSenpai: not sure how that's
related to debian
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3404[20:27:49] <OtakuSenpai> RoyK: pls
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3405[20:27:59] <OtakuSenpai> i wont be able to use my laptop if
this continues
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3408[20:28:23] <hop> i don't want to sound impatient! i
meant, what is the canonical way to get to the change log in such a
case?
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3419[20:34:51] <bites> hop: the site probably need some time to
register. on wheezy try apt-get changelog
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3420[20:34:56] <jelly> OtakuSenpai, if it works after a power
cycle but stops in OS, it might be a software issue worth
investigating here. If it doesn't work before an OS boots,
it's likely a hardware issue and you need to clean it up,
possibly do repairs.
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3422[20:35:17] <OtakuSenpai> jelly: idk
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3424[20:35:28] <OtakuSenpai> i would like to check the software
side first
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3425[20:36:16] <hop> bites: that gives me a 404
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3427[20:36:38] <jelly> OtakuSenpai, that doesn't make sense.
First thing you should do is power off the thing, power it back on
and see if fan starts up
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3429[20:36:52] <OtakuSenpai> well the fan doesnt start
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3430[20:37:01] <OtakuSenpai> or maybe it does, i didnt check
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3432[20:37:13] <jelly> *facepalm*
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3437[20:37:55] <xecuter> uiii i like palms ^^
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3438[20:37:57] <xecuter> huhu
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3439[20:38:34] <jelly> OtakuSenpai, ##hardware will probably have
better ideas if it fails even while BIOS is still in control
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3440[20:38:44] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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3444[20:39:37] <hop> i guess there are no changelogs on
security.d.o
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3446[20:40:09] <bites> hop: then the changelog in
/usr/share/doc/php5/ if that exists.
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3447[20:40:39] <jelly> hop, if the package version is available
from your repos, you can download it and take a peek inside.
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3451[20:41:02] <jelly> hop, if you plan to install it afterwards,
just install and use apt-listchanges
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3453[20:41:54] <jelly> or see if there's something about
that version's upload on tracker.debian.org/sourcepackagename
(source package name is php5 probably)
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3457[20:43:03] <hop> jelly: found it on tracker.d.o, indeed
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3458[20:43:59] <hop> hm...
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3467[20:50:05] <hop> related question: can i read up on why some
vulnerabilities are not patched in (for example) wheezy-security?
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3469[20:50:55] <greycat> !lts
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3470[20:50:55] <dpkg> Debian Long Term Support (LTS) is a project
to extend the lifetime of all Debian stable releases to (at least) 5
years. Debian LTS is not handled by the Debian security team, but by
a separate group of volunteers and companies. Ask me about
<wheezy-lts> and see
replaced-url
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3471[20:51:25] <annadane> the "at least" worries me. i
refuse to support jessie in 2073.
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3472[20:51:33] <linuxthefish> how can I see what repo a package
comes from?
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3473[20:51:51] <annadane> apt show foo
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3474[20:52:16] <jelly> linuxthefish, once it's installed,
you can't. "apt-cache policy foo" will however tell
you which versions of foo are available from which repo
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3476[20:52:21] <greycat> linuxthefish: in general, you do not.
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3477[20:52:27] <linuxthefish> thanks jelly , perfect
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3478[20:52:32] <greycat> unless the package includes something
like "dmm" in its version numbers
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3480[20:52:58] <jelly> OBJECTION! circumstantial
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3482[20:53:46] <hop> greycat: thanks, but that doesn't
answer my question. might be my bad english. i meant: can i read up
on decisions on specific vulnerabilities without bother people on
irc? at least i think that isn't answered in the faq or
anywhere else in the wiki
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3483[20:54:12] <linuxthefish> how come
replaced-url
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3486[20:55:07] <jelly> linuxthefish, you seem to be searching on
"contents" and not package names there
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3488[20:55:52] <linuxthefish> whoops, sorry jelly I'm stupid
:p
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3489[20:55:57] <linuxthefish> wrong search box
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3492[20:56:59] <jelly> maybe you're stupid, maybe that page
with a dozen separate search forms is stupid
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3495[20:57:11] <jelly> it's certainly debatable
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3498[20:57:37] <OtakuSenpai> "$setup" $* 2>/dev/null
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3499[20:57:46] <OtakuSenpai> what does the above bash line do
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3500[20:57:56] <greycat> Nothing good.
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3501[20:58:02] <jelly> heheh
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3502[20:58:08] <OtakuSenpai> ?
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3503[20:58:10] <greycat> Mostly it breaks when you provide
arguments with whitespace or glob chars in them.
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3505[20:58:27] <hop> maybe not if IFS is set
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3506[20:58:35] <OtakuSenpai> does it run $setup?
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3507[20:58:43] <greycat> In the rare instances where it does not
break, it tries to run the command that's in the variable named
"setup" with the arguments that you previously provided,
mangled.
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3508[20:58:44] <hop> OtakuSenpai: that one we can't answer
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3509[20:58:49] <hop> OtakuSenpai: it's a variable
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3510[20:58:56] <jelly> grep '\$' /usr/bin/pidgin
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3511[20:58:56] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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3512[20:58:59] <hop> OtakuSenpai: $* are the positional
parameters of the script
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3513[20:59:04] <greycat> And it discards stderr so you can't
see how it broke.
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3514[20:59:06] <jelly> /usr/bin/pidgin.orig $*
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3515[20:59:15] <greycat> IS WRONG
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3516[20:59:17] <greycat> DO NOT DO
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3517[20:59:28] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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3518[20:59:31] <jelly> it's not me. It's pidgin-sipe
maintainer.
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3519[20:59:35] <greycat> Use "$@" with the quotes.
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3520[20:59:45] <OtakuSenpai> yes
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3521[21:01:18] <OtakuSenpai> will "$setup@$" run it
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3522[21:01:28] <OtakuSenpai> can you provide a one line example
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3525[21:01:53] <jelly> "$setup" "$@"
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3528[21:02:14] <hop> OtakuSenpai: you'll have to read more
carefully. "@$" is not the same as "$@"
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3529[21:02:14] <jelly> instead of your initial thing
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3531[21:02:21] <OtakuSenpai> yes
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3541[21:08:04] <OtakuSenpai> how do i run a variable which is
like "setup = "$HOME/foo"" as a normal
executable like "./foo"
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3546[21:08:42] <jelly> OtakuSenpai, what are you REALLY trying to
do?
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3547[21:08:59] <OtakuSenpai> make a small script for my bot
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3551[21:10:52] <bites> the same way as shown above?
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3552[21:11:00] <greycat> Your bot uses bash scripts?
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3553[21:11:06] <greycat> Not perl, or Tcl/eggdrop?
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3555[21:12:44] <bites> but mind your spaces.
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3556[21:14:14] <greycat> Or start with
replaced-url
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3558[21:14:43] <OtakuSenpai> how do i find a exectuable in a
folder
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