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2 [00:00:26] <nvz> general advice I'd give is examine your
current running (stock) kernel (its config and messages), lspci,
etc, and read the help on all the options in something like
menuconfig and follow the advice there..
3 [00:00:44] <nvz> though I have no idea what your goal is or
what you were doing in the first place
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6 [00:01:32] <annadane> or else go full gentoo
7 [00:01:33] <nvz> cause the version you speak of is not only
EOL upstream, but isnt any debian version so idk
8 [00:01:33] <annadane> :P
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57 [00:44:34] <qskwood> is there a more elegant way in bash to
get the result of the cat in "curl
replaced-url
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68 [00:52:10] <Hydroxide> qskwood: that seems quite elegant to
me. what are you viewing as needing improvement? also if you
don't have tight control over the value of the clientid file,
be careful of input with special characters that could cause
security problems or other errors, and make sure to put double
quotes either around the whole URL string or at least the $(...)
bit.
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70 [00:52:57] <qskwood> Ok. I like to avoid using external
commands when I write scripts and use bash features. Didn't
know if there was one that replaced the cat.
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75 [00:55:51] <mns> qskwood: bash doesn't replace system
commands with its on versions. And I don't believe bash has
facilities that accomodate writing something like
76 [00:55:57] <mns> 'cat' in bash
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85 [01:00:23] <tomreyn> it has redirection: "curl
replaced-url
86 [01:00:42] <qskwood> ah ok
87 [01:00:58] <qskwood> I mean there's no distro out there
that's not going to have cat
88 [01:01:03] <qskwood> so this is largely academic
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93 [01:02:36] <mns> Having said that, you probably want to do
something like: CLIENT_ID="$(cat clientid)" ; curl
"replaced-url
94 [01:03:02] <qskwood> that's a good point
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113 [01:16:24] <annadane> sigh, how do i revert a dpkg factoid to
the way it was before
114 [01:16:32] <annadane> i ran into the line limit in irc
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119 [01:18:54] <annadane> can someone with better dpkg knowledge
than me please edit !kali to what it was before, "Kali Linux
(replaced-url
120 [01:18:54] <annadane>
replaced-url
121 [01:19:08] <annadane> sorry for messing it all up
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130 [01:26:03] <annadane> it's probably as simple as a =~
for the link
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132 [01:26:30] <annadane> let me try it
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135 [01:28:21] <annadane> no... well, anyway, someone please fix
it :P
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147 [01:46:11] <ts1k> anyone knows what package do I need to
install in order to make my laptop hotkeys (bright, backlit, volume,
etc) running?
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153 [01:50:35] <quadrathoch2> ts1k depends on the laptop
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158 [01:52:40] <ts1k> quadrathoch2: Dell Inspiron
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160 [01:53:09] <nkuttler> ts1k: i use triggerhappy, but it
requires manual configuration
161 [01:54:05] <ts1k> nkuttler: and you end aup running all the
functions well?
162 [01:54:12] <ts1k> *up
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164 [01:55:26] <nkuttler> yeah
165 [01:57:01] <ts1k> nkuttler: how hard is the configuration?
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168 [01:59:30] <nkuttler> i guess i should write a post about
it..
169 [02:00:02] <ts1k> :)
170 [02:00:16] <nkuttler> needs special configuration for the
backlight control, and i use aumix and xbacklight
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178 [02:01:03] <nkuttler> i think i manage my audio player
through i3
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188 [02:04:14] <ts1k> nkuttler: OK, thnx!
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235 [02:57:53] <lenswipe> hey folks
236 [02:58:13] <lenswipe> i have a newly installed debian system
here that can't/won't boot.
237 [02:58:22] <lenswipe> no bootable media can be fond
238 [02:58:25] <lenswipe> found*
239 [02:58:36] <lenswipe> i suspect GRUB may be missing from the
MBR
240 [02:58:41] <lenswipe> how do i fix that?
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246 [03:04:46] <tds> lenswipe: boot into your preferred recovery
media (eg a debian install cd would do), then chroot in and
grub-install to the drive
247 [03:05:00] <lenswipe> im in a debian live env right now
248 [03:05:13] <lenswipe> tds, the only thing is that the debian
install is encrypted LVM. does that matter?
249 [03:05:34] <tds> what kind of live env exactly?
250 [03:05:51] <tds> and it'll make mounting a bit more
fiddly before you chroot, but should be ok
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253 [03:09:17] <lenswipe> tds, just the default debian env that
comes with the installer
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255 [03:09:25] <tds> ah, ok
256 [03:09:30] <lenswipe> tds, how do i chroot in to the
encrypted LVM?
257 [03:09:36] <tds> that's pretty minimal, but I think
you'll probably have the right LVM bits
258 [03:09:52] <tds> the installer should guide you through it if
you boot into recovery mode or whatever it's called
259 [03:11:08] <lenswipe> oh, so i need to boot into recovery,
not the live env?
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263 [03:14:51] <tds> unless you want to do all the chrooting etc
by hand, yeah, that's probably your best option
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267 [03:16:09] <lenswipe> i dont have a recovery option
268 [03:16:27] <lenswipe> i have live, live with localization,
graphical installer, installer and installer with speech synthesis
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273 [03:18:56] <metbsd> so the backports kernel can't get my
wifi card to work
274 [03:19:18] <metbsd> i tried both firmware from backports and
normal source
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277 [03:20:33] <metbsd> and nvidia primus works
278 [03:20:40] <metbsd> with backport kernel
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282 [03:21:32] <nvz> metbsd: does it just sit around on your
couch all day?
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285 [03:22:38] <metbsd> no i put archlinux on it
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292 [03:27:04] <lenswipe> tds, is there a boot param i can add to
the live image to kick it into recovery mode?
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313 [03:48:48] <lenswipe> Hey folks
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315 [03:48:56] <lenswipe> anyone know how to get into a debian
recovery env?
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318 [03:50:06] <sney> in the grub menu, select 'advanced
options' then select 'rescue mode'
319 [03:50:26] <sney> if you didn't set a root password, use
a rescue liveusb like grml
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321 [03:53:25] <lenswipe> sney, i cant get to the grub menu, i
installed debian, but somehow didn't install GRUB
322 [03:53:40] <lenswipe> im using a live image and i've
managed to get into the shell on there...does that work?
323 [03:53:45] <lenswipe> oh, and my disk is encrypted LVM
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325 [03:54:42] <ubone>
replaced-url
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327 [03:57:11] <sney> lenswipe: ok, I don't know how you
managed to not install grub, but as long as you know your luks
passkey you should be able to chroot into the system still. I
don't remember the sequence of commands but it should all be
here:
replaced-url
328 [03:57:28] <sney> lenswipe: it's not super
straightforward though. so if this is a fresh install, it may be
quicker to start over
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330 [03:58:23] <sney> and don't use 'expert mode'
in the installer unless you know exactly what you're doing, and
when you get to the 'install bootloader' step make *sure*
that the device it's installing grub to is your hard drive and
not the usb stick you're installing from.
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332 [03:59:04] <lenswipe> sney, I didn't use expert mode
333 [03:59:06] <sney> and don't remove the installer usb
while installing either. that causes important components to not be
loaded, even if you do it at a step where you're just sitting
at the menu. d-i doesn't load everything at once.
334 [03:59:27] <lenswipe> for now, im about to blow away the
installed system and try a basic yes yes yes yes next next etc.
install
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336 [03:59:36] <lenswipe> see if i can at least get _something_
to boot
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338 [03:59:40] <Disavowed> That reminds me - I should really back
up my LUKS key. How hard is that to do?
339 [04:00:14] <sney> it's one of the first things on that
wiki page and appears to be 1 command
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341 [04:00:59] <tds> lenswipe: oh, missed that - going back a
bit, if you're still trying to boot an installer into rescue,
you want rescue/enable=true on the kernel cmdline
342 [04:01:11] <tds> though the bootloader should normally
present you with it as a menu option
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345 [04:05:05] <lenswipe> tds, sney so i just re-installed a
plain jane next next next debian
346 [04:05:09] <lenswipe> and it still can't boot
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348 [04:05:19] <lenswipe> and this time i definitely installed
GRUB to the MBR
349 [04:05:43] <tds> dumb question - this machine is definitely
configured to BIOS/MBR boot, not using EFI?
350 [04:06:05] <sney> what's the hardware? and what happens
when you try, does the efi just say "no OS found" or
something?
351 [04:06:05] <lenswipe> it used to be EFI, i turned that off
afaik
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353 [04:06:20] <lenswipe> "Boot mode is set to: LEGACY
EXTERNAL DEVICES; SECURE BOOT IS OFF"
354 [04:06:30] <nvz> some machines will stubbornly keep
re-enabling it
355 [04:06:39] <nvz> they consider you turning it off to be a
one-shot kinda directive
356 [04:06:50] <tds> oh, is this a dell machine?
357 [04:06:53] <lenswipe> tds, yeah
358 [04:07:03] <tds> i don't think you can bios boot off the
internal storage at all
359 [04:07:04] <sney> debian 10 fully supports both efi and
secure boot, so you may as well leave it on defaults
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361 [04:07:08] <tds> at least on the one i poked a while back
362 [04:07:09] <lenswipe> tds, you can and i have done
363 [04:07:19] <lenswipe> this was working until a power surge
killed the machine and dell replaced the mobo, storage, battery and
power brick
364 [04:07:34] * sney twitches
365 [04:07:55] <lenswipe> sney, ?
366 [04:07:58] <sney> if they're anything like when I was a
dell warranty tech, you probably have the same mobo with a reflash
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368 [04:08:07] <lenswipe> no, the mobo was completely effed
369 [04:08:08] <sney> or a busted ass refurb one from the pile
370 [04:08:12] <lenswipe> apparently completely and totally fried
371 [04:08:22] <lenswipe> and this is a work machine with an
onsite dell tech, so...hopefully not
372 [04:08:47] <lenswipe> but for now i just cannot get this
feckin thing to boot
373 [04:08:53] <sney> :x well anyway, try it in efi mode. again
debian fully supports that so you shouldn't need to turn it off
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375 [04:09:03] <tds> ^^
376 [04:09:09] <lenswipe> i did the install in EFI mode
377 [04:09:13] <lenswipe> can i just enable it?
378 [04:09:21] <lenswipe> err
379 [04:09:23] <lenswipe> in non efi mode
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381 [04:09:42] <tds> you can't sensibly add EFI to an
existing install without repartitioning in most cases
382 [04:09:43] <nvz> its not really that simple an ESP partition
need be created, a different bootloader, etc
383 [04:09:49] <tds> for a fresh install, it's definitely
easier to just reinstall
384 [04:09:56] <sney> turn on efi mode, boot the installer in efi
mode, and install debian
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386 [04:10:21] <lenswipe> ok
387 [04:10:33] <lenswipe> fwiw, theres no boot options listed in
my BIOS config rn
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389 [04:10:42] <lenswipe> if i click view it says "No
filesystem found"
390 [04:10:42] * dvs did the MBR to EFI the hard way this week
391 [04:11:09] * nvz rather stick a feather in his hat and call it
macaroni :P
392 [04:11:09] <lenswipe> i hate EFI so much
393 [04:11:21] <dvs> I don't mind it
394 [04:11:22] <tds> having found a random photo of that dell efi
online,
replaced-url
395 [04:11:41] <lenswipe> dvs, it's a HUGE pain in the ass
for anything other than windows...which i suspect was the point
396 [04:11:54] <tds> how so?
397 [04:12:05] <nvz> yeah I have a HP T520 Thin Client that is
like this.. it /will/ boot normally off internal media, but it
doesnt /like/ to
398 [04:12:16] <tds> installers have got good, it largely just
works, the tooling isn't terrible
399 [04:12:31] <lenswipe> can i turn on secure boot?
400 [04:12:35] <dvs> no
401 [04:12:37] <lenswipe> ok
402 [04:12:41] <dvs> that I turned off
403 [04:12:55] <dvs> they do have signed kernels but I don't
bother with them.
404 [04:13:02] <lenswipe> but boot listoption is legacy external
devices or UEFI
405 [04:13:04] <sney> secure boot is also supported but it does
vary on the hardware
406 [04:13:10] <sney> uefi is what you want
407 [04:13:11] <lenswipe> it should be set to UEFI right?
408 [04:13:12] <lenswipe> yeah
409 [04:13:15] <nvz> or rather I believe the thin client is the
other way around, it doesnt like booting off eternal media :P
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411 [04:13:19] <dvs> UEFI doesn't require secure boot
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413 [04:13:43] <sney> I don't think I have any legacy
machines left.
414 [04:13:56] <nvz> secure boot is a whole other nightmare..
requires signed binaries and crap
415 [04:13:56] <lenswipe> there's also that goddamn dell
dock that's the bain of my life
416 [04:13:57] <lenswipe> TB16
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418 [04:14:08] * dvs is in the process of getting rid of his 2008
machine
419 [04:14:10] <lenswipe> nvz, maybe its secure boot that im
slagging off
420 [04:14:27] <sney> oop, I guess this one I'm on is
legacy. it's still fast enough dangit
421 [04:15:32] <sney> secure boot is the component that only
supported windows when it was brand new, so all the linux people had
a conspiracy theory that it was intended to drive linux out of the
market. that's not how it works, but the conspiracy remains as
they do
422 [04:15:55] <lenswipe> so right now in the bios setup it says
Boot mode is set to UEFI; Secure boot: Off
423 [04:16:04] <sney> it's a little annoying to use but it
does make it harder for drivers to have security exploits.
424 [04:16:09] <sney> lenswipe: that should work fine.
425 [04:16:19] <lenswipe> okay, so ill do the install again
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427 [04:19:07] <lenswipe> okay
428 [04:19:23] <lenswipe> in UEFI mode the installer can't
see the disk
429 [04:19:29] <lenswipe> it just sees the USB stick
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432 [04:20:19] <sney> hmm
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435 [04:22:01] <sney> when you got the new motherboard, did you
check if the efi was up to date? if it really was a new one from old
stock it might be on the original revision
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437 [04:22:28] <lenswipe> i did not
438 [04:22:34] <lenswipe> what do you mean?
439 [04:22:38] <lenswipe> do you mean like updating the BIOS?
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441 [04:23:11] <lenswipe> fwiw - this is a work machine, so i
didn't get to touch the hardware - i just gave it to the field
techs and they took it away and did stuff with it
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443 [04:23:48] <sney> yeah like updating the bios.
444 [04:24:01] <lenswipe> so i should update the BIOS?
445 [04:24:05] <lenswipe> no, i did not do that
446 [04:24:08] <lenswipe> it's currently on 1.13.1
447 [04:24:11] <lenswipe> latest version is 1.14
448 [04:24:25] <sney> update it and try again
449 [04:24:36] <lenswipe> doesnt that need windows?
450 [04:24:46] <sney> sometimes they have a bootable standalone
thing
451 [04:24:55] <lenswipe> i believe dell ship an .exe
452 [04:24:58] <lenswipe> :|
453 [04:24:59] <sney> there are also windows PE live usb images
online that you can use for stuff like that
454 [04:25:15] <sney> that's out of the scope of #debian but
they are easy to find
455 [04:25:41] <lenswipe> thx
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459 [04:36:13] <lenswipe> sney, gah, you have to install the
windows deployment kit or whatever to get it
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461 [04:36:29] <lenswipe> why the hell can't MS just ship
ISO images for this stuff?
462 [04:37:43] <lenswipe> holy hell, it requires 6GB
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475 [04:55:20] <nvz> lenswipe: do you have a link to the .exe for
the flash?
476 [04:55:32] <lenswipe> sure
477 [04:56:03] <nvz> I could take a look at it, if I had a link..
I never needed windows of any kind or anything from microsoft to use
such things
478 [04:56:40] <nvz> hell once I pxe booted such a utility :P
479 [04:57:16] <lenswipe> one sec
480 [04:57:55] <lenswipe>
replaced-url
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482 [05:00:07] <sney> no wdk required, first google result
replaced-url
483 [05:01:00] <lenswipe> so, i don't need all this crap i
just installed?
484 [05:01:09] <sney> should have mentioned they weren't
official MS stuff, sorry
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486 [05:01:35] <lenswipe> np
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492 [05:08:06] <nvz> hmm.. well.. that one doesn't seem to
run in "dos mode"
493 [05:08:40] <nvz> it does however contain a 10mb binary data
file I assume is the actual BIOS/EFI itself
494 [05:09:29] <nvz> since I dont have windows and it doesnt run
in wine/crossover I can't tell what else it may contain.. like
if its a flash utility itself or if it just makes a bootable flash
media
495 [05:10:11] <alexrelis[m]> Speaking of which, is there a
tried-and-true way of creating Windows 10 installation media?
496 [05:10:11] <alexrelis[m]> All I know of is this tutorial:
replaced-url
497 [05:10:14] <nvz> "The Universal (Windows/MS DOS) format
can be used to install from any Windows or MS DOS environment."
498 [05:10:18] <nvz> is not true..
499 [05:10:34] <nvz> if it were true, it'd run in
freedos/dosbox or such
500 [05:10:35] <alexrelis[m]> installation media on Debian***
501 [05:11:42] <nvz> thats way offtopic here, but the file is
downloadable by anyone without providing information like an email
or product key, from microsoft.com and its written exactly like
debian media, to a thumbdrive using cp win10.iso /dev/sdc or such
502 [05:11:47] * nvz has done it
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506 [05:14:40] <alexrelis[m]> Thank you. I believe dd didn't
work last time I tried it, believe it or not. Copying the files
manually within the ISO did though.
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508 [05:15:24] <nvz> yeah well there are plenty of reasons such
can fail.. with any media, but thats how I did it when an update MS
insisted my mother install, ruined her computer
509 [05:15:47] <nvz> dd isn't needed anymore, cp works just
fine..
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511 [05:18:11] <dvs> with no sync?!?
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513 [05:18:32] <nvz> yes, not unmounting automounted media first,
or not doing sync after are common reasons it can fail
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518 [05:22:02] <ryouma> i never do automounting for anything that
cannot unmount the same
519 [05:22:05] <lenswipe> nvz, so what do you suggest
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521 [05:23:36] <nvz> lenswipe: idk.. I wouldnt take any advice
from me right now.. I'm tired.. and I haven't touched
windows or a bios flash utility in a long time.
522 [05:23:43] <lenswipe> fair enough
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524 [05:23:47] <lenswipe> maybe this is one for tomorrow
525 [05:24:10] <nvz> I dont see anything in the description of
that update that suggests it would solve any problem you're
having
526 [05:24:24] <nvz> and frankly I hate how they fail to provide
useful changelogs on such things
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528 [05:24:35] <nvz> says it addresses a couple security issues..
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530 [05:25:15] <nvz> I always saw bios flashing as an absolute
last resort..
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559 [06:00:52] <Abrax> what is the sup?
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563 [06:05:35] <nvz> ?
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565 [06:06:17] <nvz> dpkg, sup?
566 [06:06:17] <dpkg> Sup is a console mail user agent written in
Ruby, intended for people with a lot of email. Inspired by
<mutt> and <Gmail>. Packaged for Debian as sup-mail.
replaced-url
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569 [06:07:28] * nvz fist-bumps dpkg
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571 [06:07:37] <annadane> rumour has it, sup is
sup-sup-suppertime! Or supybot. Or soup with a lisp. Or a dumb catch
phrase. Also ask me about <hey you're not a bot, what
happened to dpkg?>.
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573 [06:07:48] <Abrax> killed buffer?
574 [06:08:05] <Abrax> hah
575 [06:08:50] <annadane> (and yes that is rumour with a u, the
correct spelling)
576 [06:09:01] * nvz tosses annadane a pillow to bop themselves with
since they're feelin motivated
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580 [06:10:41] <nvz> s/ves/f/
581 [06:10:54] * nvz doesnt know why he's trying to be PC all of a
sudden
582 [06:11:35] <Unit193> Note: Supybot is deprecated and has been
removed, use limnoria (available in backports!) instead.
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585 [06:12:09] * nvz is so non-PC he just had to lookup
"themself" cause he didn't think it was actually a
word
586 [06:12:33] <annadane> ,v limnoria
587 [06:12:34] <judd> Package: limnoria on amd64 -- stretch:
2017.01.10-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2019.02.23-1~bpo9+1; buster:
2019.02.23-1+deb10u1; buster-backports: 2020.04.11-1~bpo10+1;
bullseye: 2020.04.11-1; sid: 2020.04.11-1
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591 [06:13:44] <nvz> yes I can personally vouch for the limnoria
support.. they are very helpful and quite active
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593 [06:14:24] <nvz> though despite liking python, I find
limnoria to be a rather hot mess
594 [06:14:47] <nvz> but I suppose thats what happens when you
make a bot that does EVERYTHING
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596 [06:16:58] <annadane> i just checked judd because in my semi
comatose state i thought Unit193 was saying it was only in backports
and i thought "surely not"
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599 [06:17:15] <nvz> yeah I got the same from that
600 [06:17:22] <nvz> but I knew that wasnt the case..
601 [06:17:29] <nvz> and was just confused
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604 [06:18:29] <nvz> but my brain is still trippin on
"themself"
605 [06:18:54] <nvz> sounds like something a foreigner would say
that would make natives cringe
606 [06:19:45] <nvz> kinda like how I feel when people who seem
to speak spanish fail to recognize vosotros..
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613 [06:22:47] <nvz> them to me implies more than one.. self
implies one.. which is the same reason I can't understand
westerners saying nosotros/ellos forms for vosotros forms.. the
former is a "we" them plus me, the latter, is just them..
not me
614 [06:23:01] <Unit193> nvz: That's all fine, but hardly
related to Debian support..
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616 [06:23:47] <nvz> Unit193: well my code isnt on any version
control, but does seem to have a vulnerability for a far amount of
tangental rantation :P
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618 [06:24:02] <nvz> fair*
619 [06:25:05] <annadane> "keep the channel on topic or we
begin killing hostages"
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634 [06:32:14] <swift110> lol
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636 [06:32:31] <swift110> can i do wobbly windows on debian
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639 [06:34:40] <cybercrypto> swift110: are you using gnome, kde
or? (the answer for your question is mostly: yes, ou can use wobbly
windows effect.
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670 [06:59:52] <alexrelis[m]> swift110: If you're using kwin
or compiz, then yes.
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690 [07:17:10] <swift110> mate'
691 [07:17:15] <swift110> cool
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736 [08:01:02] <nvz> you can run compiz with mate and get wobbly
windows, 3d desktop cube, and a lot more
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838 [09:37:26] <zeroed> Hello. If someone is in the need of using
GoogleChrome and really would like to avoid a system-wide install,
and unpacking the .deb results in an executable (sandboxed) that
claims "The setuid sandbox is not running as root.", would
building a chroot for it makes any sense? (disclaimer: I am not yet
familiar with it). Thank you in advance
839 [09:37:48] <zeroed> *make
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894 [10:43:42] <alexrelis[m]> Any reason why you would need
Chrome over Chromium?
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896 [10:45:25] <RoyK> probably not
897 [10:45:32] <this_paradis> I don't remember exactly why,
but there are proprietary parts in Chrome
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899 [10:46:26] <RoyK> this_paradis: which you most likely
don't need
900 [10:47:09] <this_paradis> yeah
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954 [11:48:30] <hwm4rgs> chrome has more codecs than chromium,
chrome has a flash implementation, chrome has automatic
google-provided updates (sort of moot on lignux)
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973 [12:16:33] <mindlessmiss> hey guys I'm trying to connect
a coupple of devices over bluetooth. I have a cheap small BT usb
reciever. It discovers my devices but always says "connection
to the device failed". any suggestions?
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975 [12:17:25] <mindlessmiss> Linux debianASUSbox 4.19.0-9-amd64
#1 SMP Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 (2020-06-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux and I
have tried connecting to myamazon echo and my xiaomi phone.
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983 [12:23:26] <sercan> sercan selam
984 [12:23:35] * sercan selam
985 [12:23:40] * sercan sercan
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1032 [13:06:32] <Haohmaru> dpkg sup?
1033 [13:06:33] <dpkg> Sup is a console mail user agent written in
Ruby, intended for people with a lot of email. Inspired by
<mutt> and <Gmail>. Packaged for Debian as sup-mail.
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1034 [13:06:49] <Haohmaru> no bruh
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1048 [13:18:26] <Ede|Popede> !gmail
1049 [13:18:26] <dpkg> Gmail is a webmail service from
<Google> that still does not support konqueror ... See also
<reportbug>, <gmailfs>, <ssmtp>.
1050 [13:18:38] <Ede|Popede> together these 2 factoids look really
odd
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1130 [14:52:30] <polk> hi, I've got a user that would like to
have no password and no login prompt either. how to achieve that?
last Debian + LXQT
1131 [14:53:50] <polk> no password thing can be omitted if auto
login works I assume
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1140 [15:04:00] <Haohmaru> polk i think you can do that from the
login manager (or at least in some of them)
1141 [15:04:33] <Haohmaru> i think lightdm can do it, you gotta
setup a default user and autologin or something like that
1142 [15:05:27] <polk> Haohmaru, during install it didn't
allow to leave user pass blank or disable it somehow
1143 [15:05:50] <Haohmaru> nonono.. the user itself has a password
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1145 [15:06:15] <Haohmaru> the login manager just.. tosses you
into a session logged in as that user.. it's weird
1146 [15:06:25] <Haohmaru> i hope i'm not imagining it but i
think it's doable
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1148 [15:08:07] <this_paradis> user password can be removed
1149 [15:09:02] <this_paradis> just remove the hash in the shadow
file
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1171 [15:29:20] <RuGaL> I have forget my shell passwd
1172 [15:30:24] <joepublic> RuGaL, recovery procedures depend on
your shell provider and what control panel they use.
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1175 [15:32:45] <RuGaL> ok
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1184 [15:41:34] <f3r70rr35f> hellou
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1186 [15:45:59] <f3r70rr35f> is there a way to tell apt to use a
specific iface to do update? ... it seems to be trying over a
connectionless iface that im using to other stuff
1187 [15:46:00] <Abrax> lupricon?
1188 [15:46:02] <Abrax> was that
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1199 [15:50:42] <Xalys> When upgrading from Stretch to Buster,
should one do 'apt upgrade' and then 'apt
full-upgrade' or just 'apt full-upgrade' once?
1200 [15:50:53] <Xalys> Many tutorials state first urnning
upgrade, then full-upgrade, but I don't understand why
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1211 [15:59:26] <quadrathoch2> Xalys make sure your system is
updated, and then run only full-upgrade
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1213 [16:00:45] <this_paradis> full-upgrade removes packages
1214 [16:01:23] <this_paradis> dist-upgrade I meant
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1230 [16:11:14] <nvz> afaik dist-upgrade is deprecated in apt, and
full-upgrade is the same thing.. and the difference between upgrade
and full-upgrade is only a matter of the policy apt follows when
doing the upgrade.. the full-upgrade allows it to do more things
like remove packages if need be to satisfy the upgrade
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1235 [16:13:10] <nvz> in other news, I think they did this whole
diff thing to address possible bandwidth issues, but downloading a
bunch of small files in practice, for me, takes much longer than
downloaing on big one
1236 [16:13:36] <nvz> the pdiffs on update that is
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1241 [16:15:23] <nvz> its taking me like 5 minutes to update right
now, when it'd probably only have taken 30sec if it were just
one packages.xz
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1246 [16:17:28] <nvz> 809 upgraded, 23 newly installed, 0 to
remove and 147 not upgraded. (upgrade) vs 950 upgraded, 76 newly
installed, 48 to remove and 1 not upgraded. (full-upgrade)
1247 [16:19:29] <nvz> among which it wants to remove calibre,
chromium, sshfs..etc.. which after I do the upgrade, I can tell ya
if thats still the case
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1250 [16:20:19] <this_paradis> I never tried to upgrade to new
distro version with apt, but apt-get removed me essential stuff like
mysql server with dist-upgrade, so I usually just call upgrade until
it's satisfied and then dist-upgrade
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1254 [16:20:55] <nvz> yeah my theory is that in this test case
I'm doing here.. these packages I know I want.. that it wants
to remove.. will not be removed if I upgrade first
1255 [16:21:26] <nvz> however I'm on wifi right now so this
is gonna take a bit :P
1256 [16:21:47] * nvz goes to plug in and do it fast :D
1257 [16:22:39] <nvz> or not.. it got 10x faster just comin out
here near the router :P
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1265 [16:27:18] <nvz> which considering my apt is like 720sq ft..
and I was only like 10ft(3m) from the wifi to begin with.. I think
indicates a bit of an issue :P
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1268 [16:34:22] <this_paradis> moar transmit power :D
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1271 [16:36:24] <nvz> yeah I haven't really done crap since I
bought a router/modem and internet service at home.. other than put
some custom firmware on and setup the dhcp pool, ssid, and wpa
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1280 [16:41:49] <nvz> I'd gotten a Netgear CM400 Modem,
WNR3500L Router, and GS305 Gigabit Switch.. and like 5 7ft Cat6
cables.. just havent really set it all up entirely yet
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1301 [16:55:11] <nvz> na, it still wants to remove the same crap..
so in this test case I see no difference between upgrading first or
not
1302 [16:55:48] <nvz> personally, I always just upgrade.. I dont
usually allow the full-upgrade/dist-upgrade unless actually doing a
dist-upgrade
1303 [16:56:09] <nvz> in this case I don't want it removing
sshfs, chromium, and a bunch of other crap so..
1304 [16:56:20] <annadane> i just now realized you meant apt as in
"apartment"
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1306 [16:56:32] <annadane> i was so confused and thought you meant
apt as in the package manager
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1308 [16:56:49] <nvz> yeah.. well.. my package manager /is/ bigger
than yours :D
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1356 [17:39:53] <n-iCe> hi
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1374 [17:52:12] <frabbit> i want to install openmw. ive seen that
the packages are in contrib branch of debian, is that because u need
the original non free game data to finally use openmw in a useful
way, or does contain openmw unfree code or something?
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1379 [17:57:16] <frabbit> ok i asked at the OpenMW project itself
and theres no non-free code in it.
1380 [17:58:03] <frabbit> also it is a FLOSS game engine that does
not require any non-free game (like morrowind for example) to run.
1381 [17:58:53] <frabbit> people can create their own games based
on it and i know that theres already something like a template suite
game created by the project itself, wich is totally FLOSS too.
1382 [17:59:30] <frabbit> the openmw packages are in the wrong
place at debian and debian based distros when they are at contrib
1383 [17:59:57] <frabbit> they belongs to main, like minetest for
exmaple
1384 [18:00:17] <annadane> maybe, maybe not, sometimes things are
in contrib or non-free for weird reasons
1385 [18:00:25] <annadane> like the emacs documentation because it
has invariant sections
1386 [18:00:35] <frabbit> annadane: but thats not good politics
1387 [18:00:46] <annadane> well, it's principles
1388 [18:01:10] <frabbit> the packages in contrib are less visible
then in main, cause many people (including me) only use main branch
1389 [18:01:33] <frabbit> annadane: nah its against the principles
when minetest is inmain and opemw in contrib
1390 [18:01:43] <frabbit> or scummvm
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1393 [18:02:43] <frabbit>
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1394 [18:03:13] <annadane> non-free code isn't the only
reason something can be in contrib/non-free, depends on the software
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1397 [18:03:22] <annadane> i don't know about this particular
example
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1399 [18:03:32] <frabbit> i didnt say that
1400 [18:04:11] <frabbit> 100% free packages are in contrib,
because they depending on some other packages or any kind of data
that isnt free
1401 [18:04:19] <frabbit> but that isnt the case for opwnmw
1402 [18:04:58] <frabbit> i can create an unfree game for the
minetest engine, but that doesnt mean that minetest depends on that
game
1403 [18:05:15] <annadane> hmm i'm not sure then, maybe ask
the maintainer
1404 [18:05:21] <frabbit> and thats why minetest is in main, what
is correct
1405 [18:05:31] <frabbit> annadane: of the package?
1406 [18:05:34] <annadane> it's beyond my scope of knowledge,
maybe someone else can answer
1407 [18:05:35] <frabbit> yeah good idea
1408 [18:06:18] <frabbit> hmm seems like the maintainer is also a
developer of openmw...
1409 [18:06:27] <frabbit> Bret Curtis
1410 [18:06:36] <frabbit> that is psi29
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1433 [18:26:19] <annadane> frabbit, if you do get an answer let me
know, i'm curious
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1446 [18:35:20] <FIUBOT> Hi guys, how are you doing?
1447 [18:35:51] <FIUBOT> I have access to a Debian shell to which
I have no root
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1449 [18:36:20] <FIUBOT> I want to install some Python3 modules
but I do not have pip3 available
1450 [18:36:25] <joepublic> sounds like a conversation you should
be having with the system's administrator, who does have root.
1451 [18:36:59] <avu> FIUBOT: you can create a virtualenv in your
HOME and install/use pip there
1452 [18:37:37] <FIUBOT> Yes, indeed avu, I have installed
virtualenv
1453 [18:37:58] <FIUBOT> But I need to run pip3, not pip
1454 [18:38:12] <avu> if you create a python3 virtualenv, pip will
be pip3
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1457 [18:39:29] <FIUBOT> This is what I want to run:
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1459 [18:40:13] <FIUBOT> How do I create a python3 virtualenv
1460 [18:40:14] <FIUBOT> ?
1461 [18:40:27] <FIUBOT> I created virtualenv but I only had
access to pip, not pip3
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1466 [18:43:02] <frabbit> annadane: i will =)
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1469 [18:48:42] <FIUBOT> It is venv, not virtualenv for Python3
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1472 [18:50:59] <avu> those are two different things, both exist
for python 3
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1478 [19:01:56] <orak127> FIUBOT: you can use `-p` argument to
pass the path to the wanted python interpreter (ie python3)
1479 [19:02:04] <orak127>
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1480 [19:03:51] <FIUBOT> ./virtualenv.py ~/python New python
executable in /home/F/FIUBOT/python/bin/python Installing
setuptools, pip, wheel...done.
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1483 [19:06:38] <orak127> try: `./virtualenv.py -p python3
~/python3`
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1486 [19:09:21] <FIUBOT> ./virtualenv.py -p python3 ~/python3
Running virtualenv with interpreter /usr/bin/python3 Using base
prefix '/usr'
1487 [19:09:21] <FIUBOT> New python executable in
/home/F/FIUBOT/python3/bin/python3 Also creating executable in
/home/F/FIUBOT/python3/bin/python Installing setuptools, pip,
wheel...done.
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1489 [19:10:35] <orak127> it looks good
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1493 [19:12:18] <FIUBOT> Thanks orak127
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1516 [19:28:54] <frabbit> annadane: 18:58 < OpenMW-Bridge>
[discord] AnyOldName3: The gist is that while you *can* create your
own game, no one really *has*.
1517 [19:29:18] <frabbit> annadane: 18:58 < OpenMW-Bridge>
[discord] AnyOldName3: They're not super keen on moving us out
of contrib when the only justification for doing so is hypothetical.
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1521 [19:29:43] <frabbit> annadane: 18:59 < OpenMW-Bridge>
[discord] AnyOldName3: It's why there's been a bit more of
a push to get the example suite going again recently.
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1523 [19:30:12] <frabbit> annadane: but to me this is a mistake by
debian
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1528 [19:31:48] <sney> frabbit: file a bug
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1531 [19:33:01] <frabbit> sney: its not a bug
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1534 [19:33:16] <frabbit> its a mistake
1535 [19:33:33] <sney> it's a request to change something
about a package. the bug tracker is where those go.
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1537 [19:33:41] <frabbit> hmm
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1539 [19:33:49] <sney> conversely, nobody involved with making a
decision about packages being in main/contrib is in this irc channel
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1543 [19:35:30] <frabbit> sney: ok. ive never reported a bug for
debina before, i will try reportbug
1544 [19:35:36] <frabbit> *debian
1545 [19:36:25] <frabbit> o_0 oh.. that package comes with a dozen
python packages
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1578 [20:08:54] <frabbit> ok done
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1608 [20:36:06] <FIUBOT> So, I finally got it virtualenv running
1609 [20:36:28] <FIUBOT> Is there any way I can keep it running
even if I am not logged in?
1610 [20:37:08] <nkuttler> FIUBOT: what is "it"?
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1612 [20:38:08] <greycat> a virtualenv is just a bunch of
directories and files... it doesn't "run"
1613 [20:38:20] <sney> FIUBOT: look at tmux or screen to keep your
session running when you are disconnected
1614 [20:39:28] <GNU\colossus> (and also a number of environment
variables and their values)
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1616 [20:39:42] <FIUBOT> Oops, multitasking doesnt work all that
well
1617 [20:40:28] <FIUBOT> I installed virtualenv to install some
python3 modules and run
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1618 [20:40:58] <greycat> If it's a command-line or terminal
program, you can indeed keep it running inside a tmux or screen
session.
1619 [20:40:59] <FIUBOT> As I am not root on my shell and will not
be
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1621 [20:42:40] <FIUBOT> Yes, it is a command line program
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1650 [21:14:18] <ws2k3> in df -h my /var/log shows: 17 gb in use
of the 20 gb. but if i use du -h /var/log it shows not even a
gigabyte. i have seen this behavior before. and its useualy a proces
thats still has a file in use that is big. how can i find out which
file that could be
1651 [21:14:43] <greycat> the first lesson is DO NOT use rm to get
rid of a large log file
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1653 [21:15:20] <greycat> at this point, the best thing you can do
is REMEMBER what file you unlinked, and take appropriate action
(restart some daemon) based on whatever file that was
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1656 [21:16:28] <greycat> if it has been too long, and you
can't remember what file you unlinked, or if someone else did
the filthy deed, you could try restarting a bunch of daemons at
random to see if one of them works (rsyslog would be a great first
try)
1657 [21:16:44] <greycat> otherwise, you get to dig through
half-documented lsof stuff and pray
1658 [21:16:48] <greycat> or simply reboot
1659 [21:17:24] <GNU\colossus> `lsof +aL1`
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1662 [21:17:40] <ws2k3> greycat: i useualy use echo > logfile
to clean it up. and that allways works. i cant remember what
happened here cause i did not rm some logs files
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1664 [21:18:14] <greycat> !open files
1665 [21:18:14] <dpkg> Care to know what program or process has a
particular file or port open? lsof (list open files)! the package!
the command! lsof is for YOU!!! lsof -i tcp:80; lsof /dev/dsp; lsof
-i udp:53; etc... apt-get into today! Also, if you order right now,
we'll throw in these hits for free: netstat -upant | grep
whatever; fuser -v filename; fuser -v 80/tcp; etc. Ask me about
<file-nr>.
1666 [21:18:15] <ws2k3> GNU\colossus: do i need to add anything to
that command?
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1668 [21:18:38] <GNU\colossus> ws2k3, maybe try a path to the
mounted fs you're having trouble with
1669 [21:19:00] <ws2k3> GNU\colossus: so lsof +aL1 /var/log ?
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1671 [21:19:15] <GNU\colossus> yes. if that doesn't work,
`lsof +L1` should also work
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1673 [21:20:32] <GNU\colossus> (if both come up with nada,
you'll have to re-check your assumptions)
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1675 [21:22:34] <ws2k3> GNU\colossus: 6 out of 8 processes found
are glusterfs so i think i found it ^^
1676 [21:22:45] <GNU\colossus> :)
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1715 [21:52:31] <Xelraa> let me ask u something guys
1716 [21:52:39] <Xelraa> are u happy what debian become
1717 [21:52:53] <Xelraa> like plagued by trash fucking piece of
shit systemd
1718 [21:53:01] <Xelraa> this is the future u really wanted?
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1720 [21:53:36] <greycat> OK, you've given your diatribe. Now
it's done. Any more, and I'll silence you.
1721 [21:53:37] <Xelraa> murdock is rotting in the ground all
right he has nothing to say about his distro
1722 [21:53:59] <Xelraa> he obviously placed it in the hands of f
trailer trash retards
1723 [21:54:04] <Xelraa> who made this fucking shit out of it
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1725 [21:54:16] <Xelraa> I will print out busters source code
1726 [21:54:19] <Xelraa> and wipe my ass
1727 [21:54:20] <Xelraa> with it
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1735 [21:59:43] <sney> the real amazing thing is we still have
uninformed morons whining about systemd more than 6 years after the
vote was finalized. this part is not the future I wanted. enough
already.
1736 [22:01:27] <sney> some of #727708 was a good read back in the
day, though. particularly that gamer guy who kept ranting about
"lennart and his acolytes"
1737 [22:01:28] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1741 [22:04:59] <Admiral_Purr> sney: What's the point of
whining about it anyway. There is Divuan for that very user base.
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1743 [22:06:47] <greycat> Devuan.
1744 [22:06:57] <Admiral_Purr> Ok, Devuan.
1745 [22:07:02] <sney> yep. and also, debian developers have
serious discussions every so often about whether to stick with it or
explore other options. no part of the conspiracy theory is real and
free software is all about choices
1746 [22:07:43] <greycat> There was a vote about 6 months ago.
1747 [22:07:46] <Admiral_Purr> sney: Exactly. Some distros have
choosen systemd, some have choosen other init systems. All fine.
Pick your poison. This is FOSS. I don't understand the whining.
1748 [22:08:16] <Admiral_Purr> There will always be choice.
systemd will never be the only init system
1749 [22:09:17] <Admiral_Purr> There is sysvinit, there is runnit,
there is openrc and trust me there will be more, there will be new
ones.
1750 [22:09:22] <sney> never underestimate the power of FUD and
dogma, I guess.
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1758 [22:14:52] <Lampion> Hello everyone, can you please help me
installing the last nodejs version ?
1759 [22:15:08] <Lampion> There's nothing up to date on the
debian repositories, I've been struggling for like an hour or
so.
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1761 [22:15:21] <Lampion> I'm loosing my temper with that
stuff.
1762 [22:15:39] <sney> ,v nodejs
1763 [22:15:40] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie:
0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports:
8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 10.19.0~dfsg1-1;
buster-proposed-updates: 10.21.0~dfsg-1~deb10u1; buster-security:
10.21.0~dfsg-1~deb10u1; bullseye: 10.21.0~dfsg-1; sid:
12.18.0~dfsg-3
1764 [22:15:56] <greycat> Remove the Debian packages, and just use
upstream's releases. Or whatever they have in place of
releases.
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1766 [22:16:24] <greycat> Debian's stable packaging model is
not appropriate for constantly-churning bleeding edge crapware.
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1768 [22:16:48] <Lampion> Damn, that's harsh. I'm a
newbie, what's wrong with nodejs ?
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1770 [22:17:07] <timothywcrane> Systemd may have its faults, old
defaults die hard, but I look forward to seeing it in combination
with the new "one /home, multiple PCs" format... portable
configs would be a nightmare in a "split" system...
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1774 [22:17:45] <sney> without the editorializing part, it's
true, nodejs doesn't care about anyone else's release
schedule and just "new releases go brrr" - if you need
node's new hotness, better to get it from nodejs.org
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1777 [22:18:49] <sney> node may be a candidate for debian
fasttrack at some point, I would guess
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1783 [22:24:44] <Lampion> I'm going to lose it.
1784 [22:24:49] <Lampion> I swear I'm going to lose it.
1785 [22:25:12] <Lampion> I finally got it installed, I installed
the bencode module with nmp and now it says the module doesn't
exist.
1786 [22:25:18] <greycat> Just pretend Debian has no node packages
at all. Remove them, and use upstream.
1787 [22:25:36] <Lampion> I purged it, all of node modules are
gone.
1788 [22:25:41] <Lampion> I finally got to install node modules.
1789 [22:25:45] <greycat> That includes whatever
"CPAN-like" node package manager there is.
1790 [22:25:50] <Lampion> * nodejs, and now I need to install
module.
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1794 [22:26:20] <Lampion> And that... Hell of a thing doesn't
recognize it. I don't even know if it's looking in the
right direction, I'm 100% rage and salt right now.
1795 [22:26:46] <Lampion> That's so frustrating.
1796 [22:26:53] <sney> if you're that mad you're going
to miss stuff right in front of you. go chill before you try again
1797 [22:27:54] <Lampion> I guess you're right, been a rough
week and tomorrow's going to be painful.
1798 [22:28:09] <Lampion> Never enlist, people. Cheers, thx for
the helping hand.
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1800 [22:29:04] <annadane> the fact runit is packaged in debian
makes me wonder how well it works with debian
1801 [22:29:07] <annadane> re: above discussion
1802 [22:29:17] <sney> ,v runit
1803 [22:29:18] <judd> Package: runit on amd64 -- jessie: 2.1.2-3;
stretch: 2.1.2-9.2; buster: 2.1.2-25; bullseye: 2.1.2-36; sid:
2.1.2-36
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1806 [22:29:53] <annadane> i'm sure it's analogous to
sysvinit
1807 [22:29:59] <sney> if it's in buster it must meet *some*
manner of a standard of usefulness
1808 [22:30:14] <annadane> yeah as opposed to "sole entry:
sid"
1809 [22:30:45] <sney> the fact that all of those branches have
the same upstream version may not be a good sign though.
1810 [22:30:48] <greycat> Software isn't required to be
useful to remain in Debian. It only has to not have any
release-critical bugs.
1811 [22:31:04] <greycat> That said, I have never tried runit and
have no idea how useful it is, or isn't.
1812 [22:31:18] <annadane> i should try it in a vm, sounds like
fun
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1814 [22:34:44] <annadane> systemd is a much different paradigm
but i wouldn't be surprised if upstart and sysvinit and runit
are slightly different versions of the same thing, not that
i've really looked into sysvinit or upstart
1815 [22:35:13] <sney> they all *do* the same thing but the
approaches vary.
1816 [22:35:14] <greycat> They aren't "the same
thing".
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1818 [22:35:45] <sney> sysvinit is the only one from the 1970s so
it has that warm, vintage feel
1819 [22:35:57] <greycat> 1980s, I think
1820 [22:36:30] <sney> ah yep 83
1821 [22:36:35] <sney> same joke
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1833 [22:44:48] <Admiral_Purr> sney: How to feel an init system?
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1835 [22:46:12] <greycat> buy it a drink first?
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1838 [22:48:05] <greycat> annadane:
replaced-url
1839 [22:48:28] <mason> I installed a sysvinit-only Debian
yesterday and it worked nicely. Only glitchy bit was that
debootstrap installed systemd even though I explicitly told it to
ignore it. Had to chroot in after the deboostrap to resolve that.
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1844 [22:52:14] <greycat> An even simpler starting point might be
a statement like, "runit is much closer to systemd than it is
to sysv-rc". Runit was derived from daemontools, which was a
pioneer of the "write a shell script to exec a supervised
service" model. Just the tools differ slightly. And daemontools
was never designed to be PID 1.
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1846 [22:52:54] <mason> Being derived from daemontools
shouldn't be a point of pride for anything.
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1853 [23:01:17] <SerajewelKS> is there any way to get md-raid to
automatically re-add part of a mirror that becomes available? in my
case i have a mirror where one drive is local and the other is
remote (iscsi). md-raid starts the mirror degraded at boot because
it can see the local drive. when the remote drive becomes available,
it is not automatically re-added to the array.
1854 [23:01:34] <SerajewelKS> i want it to either wait until both
drives are there to start the mirror, or automatically re-add the
remote drive when it comes online
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1866 [23:13:22] <alexrelis[m]> Admiral_Purr: I'm assuming the
anti-systemd people believe there will be less development on the
other init systems if all major distros move to systemd. While I
don't have any problem with systemd, I personally believe that
Debian, being the universal operating system, should give users the
choice in the same way users can choose DE/WM or architecture. That,
of course, is a matter of how many developers are willing to
1867 [23:13:22] <alexrelis[m]> maintain x init system, though I
wonder if we Debian people could talk to the Deuvian guys/gals and
ask if they would be willing merge their work with Debian.
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1914 [23:54:44] <polk> hi, I know that one of the devices in my
laptop is faulty. if system tries to use it, some unpleasant things
happen. how to permanently disable it?
1915 [23:55:21] <polk> its GPU, its messed up on hardware level
1916 [23:56:03] <sney> you could blacklist the driver, but that
sounds like it may be time to get a new laptop
1917 [23:57:08] <polk> by GPU, I meant nvidia discrete graphics.
Intel one is enough in this case
1918 [23:57:18] <tw> How do I switch dhclient's dhcp4
clientid back to mac address? I guess the easiest way to do this
would be remove the -i flag from dhclient but I can't see where
this is set.
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1921 [23:59:24] <SerajewelKS> polk: blacklist nvidia and nouveau
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