• 0[00:01:42] <SporkWitch> mutante: per the manpage, that would expand to whatever the user entered
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• 3[00:01:54] <SporkWitch> mutante: see also replaced-url
• 4[00:02:30] <mutante> SporkWitch: thanks, reading that. i was wondering if "*" always actually means ALL ALL, why bother even having the wildcard
• 5[00:02:52] <abrotman> SporkWitch: remving the regexttype makes it find things
• 6[00:03:10] <abrotman> but bad things
• 7[00:03:10] <SporkWitch> abrotman: unfortunately not the correct things :)
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• 11[00:04:01] <SporkWitch> abrotman: using posix-basic ".*([[:digit:]]\+).*" ended up working, thanks to someone in #vim for figuring it out
• 12[00:04:08] <SporkWitch> very weird syntax *shrugs*
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• 14[00:04:24] <abrotman> well, awesome
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• 16[00:05:24] <ozzloy> themill, thanks for a real world use of the term "rubber duck debugging"
• 17[00:05:57] <ozzloy> i'm making a duck with a mic that listens and fills in silences with "quack"
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• 21[00:07:58] <macrocat> ah crap i forgot about rubber duck debugging
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• 26[00:10:27] <hanshenrik> when doing `apt install nodejs; npm install -g @angular/cli ; apt remove --purge nodejs ; , apt fails to remove /usr/bin/ng , installed by npm
• 27[00:10:37] <hanshenrik> is that most likely a debian/apt bug or a npm bug or
• 28[00:10:43] <hanshenrik> a bug somewhere else?
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• 30[00:10:54] <ozzloy> probably npm
• 31[00:10:59] <ozzloy> my guess
• 32[00:11:07] <hanshenrik> any idea where to report it?
• 33[00:11:07] <ozzloy> how is apt supposed to know what npm does?
• 34[00:11:11] <hanshenrik> true
• 35[00:11:30] <ozzloy> /join #npm maybe?
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• 39[00:14:08] <jmcnaught> also, do you want packages to delete your files when removed?
• 40[00:14:36] <tuH> Debian stable, testing or unstable for personal desktop/gaming/java development?
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• 42[00:14:44] <hanshenrik> tuH, testing
• 43[00:15:01] <jmcnaught> tuH: stable
• 44[00:15:12] <ryouma> tuH: a frequent point of debate :/
• 45[00:15:20] <tuH> I see
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• 47[00:15:26] <ryouma> you won't get quick security with testing, and you have to monitor the release cycle :/
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• 49[00:15:37] <ozzloy> though i suppose maybe there could be a database to record all actions taken by all installers that all other installers could inspect and use to determine what to do
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• 52[00:15:57] <tuH> ryouma, monitor the release cycle?
• 53[00:16:06] <jmcnaught> your computer works predictably the same way every day on stable, and you can use containers or VMs for newer software
• 54[00:16:08] <ryouma> with stable, people will point and laugh at your version number go to the irc channel for your bittorrent client
• 55[00:16:13] <ryouma> when you*
• 56[00:16:25] <ryouma> tuH: after a release, testing becomes strange, i hear
• 57[00:16:27] <hanshenrik> jmcnaught, problem is that VMs are too slow for most videogames though
• 58[00:16:44] <hanshenrik> well, at least to be played comfortably
• 59[00:17:07] <ryouma> can vms even work for internet radio? i was told they do not.
• 60[00:17:13] * ozzloy throws an apple between testing and stable, labeled "for the -pretty- desktop one"
• 61[00:17:26] <tuH> containers, as in docker for instance?
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• 63[00:17:57] <jmcnaught> hanshenrik: i do all of my gaming in a windows 10 VM with a GPU dedicated to it
• 64[00:18:10] <tuH> I think I might run both, stable for work etc, and testing for testing gaming on
• 65[00:18:20] <jmcnaught> tuH: docker i guess, if you must. i meant more like systemd-nspawn or LXC though
• 66[00:18:27] <tuH> jmcnaught, then you need a graphic card switch as well no?
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• 68[00:18:38] <tuH> hardware I mean
• 69[00:18:41] <hanshenrik> jmcnaught, which vm software? (qemu? virtualbox? vmware? something else?~)
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• 71[00:19:16] <jmcnaught> tuH: or two of each: mouse, keyboard, display :P
• 72[00:19:25] <jmcnaught> hanshenrik: qemu+kvm managed with libvirt
• 73[00:19:32] <tuH> replaced-url
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• 76[00:19:44] <tuH> saw this a while back, apparantly almost native performance
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• 79[00:20:13] <tuH> well. I'm off to install shit :P Thanks
• 80[00:20:25] <jmcnaught> tuH: yeah that's what I do, though it was quite a bit easier to set up in Debian than those instructions
• 81[00:21:06] <tuH> sounds awesome tho
• 82[00:21:48] <jmcnaught> your motherboard and CPU both need to support IOMMU aka VT-d
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• 86[00:23:45] <`Kevin> ^
• 87[00:24:05] <`Kevin> your IOMMU groups also need to be fairly spread out which is based on mobo+bios
• 88[00:24:24] <`Kevin> otherwise you end up passing through more thing than just GPU
• 89[00:24:27] <`Kevin> things*
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• 92[00:26:05] <`Kevin> eg you have grouping of devices you can pass through, ideally the more groups the more specific you can be otherwise sometimes the GPU is grouped with something else
• 93[00:26:24] <`Kevin> nothing you can control its mobo+bios specific
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• 96[00:27:44] <ozzloy> i pass through fields and rivers and life
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• 99[00:30:41] <dlaflamme> hello. how can i get a list of all packages installed by the user after the initial system install?
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• 126[00:42:52] <folial> hello guys! any news about the availability of pepperflashplugin-nonfree in Stretch??
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• 133[00:45:32] <folial> time to sleep, it seems... have a good night!! see you soon
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• 150[00:50:44] <zerocool> hi there, i am wondering what i am suppose to use for iscsi target (server) in debian 9
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• 152[00:51:36] <zerocool> use to be iscsitarget and *-dkms but they have been released... i hear there is kernel support in the form of LIO but... how do i control this?
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• 197[01:15:20] <whirlyNerd> Is anyone running Stretch on a MacBook Pro 12,1 (Early-2015)? I've been running it since release and it has been working phenomenally! I'm glad to be away from macOS full time. The only problem I've noticed so far is that the SD card reader doesn't work after resume. I think this is a problem with the USB 3.0 drivers in the kernel. Anyone know how to fix this? Or do I need to wait until a newer kernel appears in backports?
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• 201[01:16:07] <bencc> when trying to run apt-get update I'm getting an error:
• 202[01:16:09] <bencc> Err replaced-url
• 203[01:16:39] <bencc> inside a debian:jessie docker container but I don't think it's relevant
• 204[01:17:27] <whirlyNerd> @bencc, does your /etc/apt/sources.list have line that reads: deb replaced-url
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• 206[01:18:50] <whirlyNerd> @bencc, or without the contrib and non-free?
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• 208[01:19:04] <bencc> whirlyNerd: I'll try to create clean debian:jessie container and check
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• 213[01:20:48] <codebam> anyone else watching epoch time :)
• 214[01:20:52] <codebam> watch -tn 1 date -u +%s
• 215[01:20:57] <codebam> almost there
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• 220[01:21:42] <ozzloy> lol
• 221[01:21:50] <JPT> More like ~3.5 hours to go
• 222[01:22:03] <codebam> well in GMT it's only 45 mins ish
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• 248[01:35:08] <neglesaks> GOdo evening gentlemen. On parittioning a EFI system partition, what is the recommended partition size in megabytes? I have seen no consensus in various guildes/how-tos, it swings between 50-150-156-273. Any suggestions?
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• 278[01:49:43] <toruvinn> neglesaks, i think mine is 256MB. i recall someone saying it should be 512MB because standards, but that lower sizes just work too..
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• 280[01:50:04] <toruvinn> neglesaks, /dev/sda1 240M 121K 240M 1% /boot/efi
• 281[01:50:26] <toruvinn> yeah mine's like 250 000 000 bytes probably
• 282[01:50:28] <toruvinn> works.
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• 284[01:51:12] <toruvinn> neglesaks, yeah that's the one i've certainly read back then replaced-url
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• 288[01:55:34] <neglesaks> thank you toruvinn
• 289[01:56:19] <neglesaks> ArchLinux guilde sais 512M. lowest recommended I've seen is 100M. It seems to me that the higher fogures are set to make systems functional for any potential multi-boot scenarios.
• 290[01:56:57] <codebam> 3 more minutes!!!
• 291[01:56:57] <neglesaks> An issue with the transition from 512B -> 4K sector drives means the recommended size was set to 256M because of some MBR limitation.
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• 294[01:57:51] <codebam> or...
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• 297[01:57:59] <codebam> don't mind me
• 298[01:58:01] <toruvinn> neglesaks, tbh with today drive sizes you probably wont miss those 256MB of space, so if you want to be supersafe, perhaps go with 512MB
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• 300[01:58:34] <neglesaks> true. tho I am a bit skind by nature. the notion og 200 M wated drive space is.... unpalatable :P
• 301[01:58:39] <neglesaks> codebam, what time?
• 302[01:58:57] <codebam> I thought it was midnight, my baddd
• 303[01:58:59] <codebam> lol
• 304[01:59:06] <codebam> 9000 more seconds
• 305[01:59:16] <neglesaks> whats that string time command again?
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• 307[01:59:31] <codebam> watch -tn 1 date -u +%s
• 308[01:59:46] <codebam> that'll watch the time in gmt
• 309[02:00:03] <neglesaks> ty
• 310[02:00:04] <codebam> I also wrote a small script to beep when it's time if you want
• 311[02:00:13] <codebam> replaced-url
• 312[02:00:42] <neglesaks> kind of you, but I find the command sufficient
• 313[02:00:53] <codebam> :)
• 314[02:01:13] <ihatecsv> Has anyone here done a GPU passthrough? :~)
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• 320[02:04:37] <toruvinn> codebam, replaced-url
• 321[02:04:50] <codebam> yeah I know
• 322[02:04:59] <toruvinn> :-)
• 323[02:05:01] <codebam> does watch supress terminal bells?
• 324[02:06:26] <codebam> ohh
• 325[02:06:37] <codebam> it just doesn't work with echoing terminal bells I guess
• 326[02:06:40] <codebam> works with beep
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• 330[02:07:24] <ozzloy> use notify-send to give a 10 second warning on desktop
• 331[02:08:04] <codebam> oh true good idea
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• 346[02:18:58] <codebam> replaced-url
• 347[02:19:03] <codebam> I think that should work
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• 369[02:26:58] <n_blownapart> hello I'm trying to use high intensity ansi colors in ghci, a haskell compiler. it looks like this : replaced-url
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• 371[02:27:16] <n_blownapart> btw I asked this in ##unix to no avail
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• 379[02:30:07] <aaro> n_blownapart, if you want bold you use 1 instead of 0
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• 401[02:44:11] <n_blownapart> aaro, thanks I can't get that to work. are all the options loaded on my 32bit jessie system?
• 402[02:44:34] <ozzloy> codebam, you could test it out with earlier timestamps
• 403[02:44:59] <codebam> oh yeah I did
• 404[02:45:02] <codebam> it was echoing it
• 405[02:45:08] <codebam> or well
• 406[02:45:13] <codebam> sending the notifications
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• 416[02:53:39] <ozzloy> codebam, cool cool
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• 418[02:55:12] <ozzloy> codebam, i'm imagining "codebam" is something that happens when a code ball gets shot out of a potato cannon
• 419[02:55:20] <codebam> haha :)
• 420[02:55:40] <ozzloy> i guess you could print code and make a paper mache (sp?) cannonball
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• 427[03:03:34] <Suht> Hello! About to download debian. I know that there isn't really any right or wrong answer to this, but what enviroment do you guys use?
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• 430[03:03:56] <ozzloy> default gnome
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• 438[03:08:31] <n_blownapart> gnome but a lot of people don't like it. Suht
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• 443[03:10:47] <Suht> Thanks
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• 446[03:11:02] <xp> Is there an autoclick program in the repository?
• 447[03:11:32] <ryouma> fluxbox, because it is the only thing that does the basic things i need, strangely
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• 449[03:11:51] <ryouma> xp: maybe like devilspie or xdotool?
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• 458[03:16:46] <xp> ryouma: I was looking for something more straightforward
• 459[03:16:47] <guoruei> hi ,i try A low-latency, high quality voice chat program for gaming ...it is call Mumble in Debian GNU/Linux...can any one with me ?
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• 461[03:17:13] <guoruei> i want talk for test
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• 463[03:18:12] <ozzloy> all right, i'll go for it
• 464[03:18:31] <ozzloy> guoruei, what do i do?
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• 466[03:18:49] <guoruei> ok..thank you...just apt install it... anf fina a server ..and tell me
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• 468[03:19:27] <guoruei> i want say hello or something for try to use it
• 469[03:19:40] <ozzloy> apt install ... mumble?
• 470[03:19:57] <guoruei> ozzloy: ye,,,u can sudo apt install it
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• 472[03:20:06] <ozzloy> oh hey, i see the package
• 473[03:20:14] <guoruei> nice.
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• 475[03:20:23] <macrocat> you should be able to find a couple public mumble servers easily. if i remember correctly there's also an echo feature in the settings so you can test to see if it's picking your voice up
• 476[03:20:51] <ozzloy> "anf fina a server" => "and find a server"? i've never done that
• 477[03:21:07] <ozzloy> you're going to have to walk me through a little bit more
• 478[03:21:17] <guoruei> ozzloy: .....sorry...u right
• 479[03:21:36] <guoruei> ye..nd find a server
• 480[03:21:42] <ozzloy> oh yeah, also a echo server might be good too
• 481[03:22:38] <ozzloy> mumble is installing
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• 483[03:22:55] <guoruei> and load you microphone
• 484[03:23:05] <ryouma> xp: dunno what would be straighforward. linux is not straightforward, unfortunately. e.g. xinput, xdg, inconsistent syntax
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• 486[03:23:56] <ozzloy> if only someone would make a single standard syntax for everything and enforce it
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• 490[03:25:12] <ozzloy> guoruei, opening mumble
• 491[03:25:28] <guoruei> ye...i on it..is ok
• 492[03:25:33] <guoruei> ok.done
• 493[03:25:52] <ozzloy> guoruei, moved to direct chat
• 494[03:25:56] <tomreyn> a voice chat between china (guorei) and the U.S. (ozzloy) might lag a bit.
• 495[03:25:59] <guoruei> how can i find u
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• 497[03:27:13] <guoruei> which server
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• 499[03:27:31] <guoruei> connect
• 500[03:28:34] <ozzloy> guoruei, i'm going through the initial setup. i don't know a server to connect to. i'm guessing there are public ones we might find
• 501[03:28:42] <guoruei> tomreyn: thank you
• 502[03:29:13] <guoruei> i can live in twitch.tv so u can see my screen...
• 503[03:29:37] <guoruei> have u want too see it ?
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• 506[03:32:49] <xp> ryouma: Could you tell me why "xdotool click 1 --repeat 50" only seems to click once?
• 507[03:33:10] <xp> ryouma: Looks right according to the docs
• 508[03:34:16] <xp> ryouma: It says "xdotool: Unknown command: --repeat"
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• 510[03:35:40] <ryouma> i have not a clue
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• 512[03:36:04] <ryouma> thoset hings are not straightforward :)
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• 514[03:36:43] <xp> ryouma: Looks like it has to be "xdotool click --repeat 100000 1", that works
• 515[03:37:10] <xp> ryouma: Thanks for the recommendation. Not straightforward, but very powerful
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• 526[03:41:33] <dselect> thanks, dvs. It's good to be back.
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• 571[04:11:10] <stuth> Uh.. So I just finished installing Debian 9. I had a quirk during de installation because of missing non-free drivers or something, apparantly my nic was missing. Anyway, I got through it, and now when I try to boot i get: Gave up waiting for root.. /dev/sdb5 does not exist. Dropping to shell etc.
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• 584[04:16:43] <codebam> 1400 seconds to go :)
• 585[04:17:38] <stuth> ok, im just going to try again with the nonfree edition I guess.
• 586[04:18:00] <sparky4> i got a bug to report
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• 595[04:20:05] <ozzloy> 1200!
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• 608[04:23:21] <codebam> 1000 :)
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• 616[04:30:58] <dvs> 600
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• 619[04:32:08] <codebam> 500 :)
• 620[04:32:16] <codebam> or ike 460
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• 622[04:32:19] <codebam> but yeah
• 623[04:32:20] <ozzloy> i have a glass of champagne
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• 626[04:32:32] <codebam> haha
• 627[04:34:04] <ozzloy> tomreyn, it worked out all right. we were able to talk
• 628[04:34:50] <tomreyn> cool
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• 631[04:35:53] <dvs> 250
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• 638[04:36:37] * ozzloy readies the riot gear
• 639[04:36:39] <codebam> 200
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• 641[04:38:01] <ozzloy> 120
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• 647[04:38:48] * ozzloy straps on a helmet, grabs a bat and puts on red lipstick
• 648[04:39:00] <codebam> 60 seconds!
• 649[04:39:17] <TedsterTech> should I be joining any other channels quickly?
• 650[04:39:32] <codebam> oh hi
• 651[04:39:35] <TedsterTech> ohaidere
• 652[04:39:41] <ozzloy> 20
• 653[04:39:41] <codebam> 20
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• 655[04:39:46] <codebam> 15
• 656[04:39:46] <ozzloy> 15
• 657[04:39:50] <TedsterTech> 10
• 658[04:39:51] <codebam> 10
• 659[04:39:52] <TedsterTech> 9
• 660[04:39:53] <TedsterTech> 8
• 661[04:39:53] <TedsterTech> 7
• 662[04:39:53] <codebam> 9
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• 664[04:39:55] <TedsterTech> 5
• 665[04:39:55] <codebam> 8
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• 669[04:39:57] <codebam> 7
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• 671[04:39:59] <codebam> 6
• 672[04:40:01] <ozzloy> WOOO
• 673[04:40:01] <codebam> 5
• 674[04:40:03] <codebam> 4
• 675[04:40:05] <codebam> 3
• 676[04:40:07] <codebam> 2
• 677[04:40:09] <codebam> 1
• 678[04:40:10] *** codebam was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 679[04:40:12] <ozzloy> lol
• 680[04:40:15] <dvs> ha
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• 682[04:40:26] <ozzloy> hahahaha good times
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• 684[04:40:38] <ozzloy> perfect timing
• 685[04:40:39] <dvs> mirror ball flies of the pole
• 686[04:40:48] <codebam> rip kicked for spam
• 687[04:40:51] * ozzloy takes a swig of the champagne
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• 689[04:41:00] <codebam> happy epoch 1.5 billion
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• 691[04:41:25] <ozzloy> what are your resolutions?
• 692[04:42:27] <codebam> I'll contribute back more
• 693[04:42:32] <codebam> like to the community
• 694[04:42:46] <codebam> because honestly I don't do enough of that right now
• 695[04:42:54] <ozzloy> by donating red lipstick
• 696[04:42:57] <codebam> ha
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• 702[04:47:44] <Dr_Coke> lol
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• 708[04:50:25] <codebam> are you guys going to make any resolutions?
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• 712[04:51:24] <regedit> happy 1500000676
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• 714[04:51:41] <dvs> ha
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• 720[04:54:13] <dvs> sesquigigannual?
• 721[04:54:43] <ozzloy> i resolve to add cameras to my car
• 722[04:54:47] <ozzloy> by the end of august
• 723[04:55:31] <jmcnaught> !ot
• 724[04:55:31] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 725[04:55:59] <codebam> oh yeah, sorry
• 726[04:56:04] <codebam> but epoch
• 727[04:56:07] <codebam> :)
• 728[04:56:26] <jmcnaught> … also one of the reasons to use another channel for chit chat, is that there are some very experienced helpers who monitor this channel while working, but if they just see a bunch of noise they could miss actual support requests.
• 729[04:56:35] <regedit> i'm putting up amazon Fires around the house for various hacky smart home purposes because they were much cheaper than the ubuntu tablets
• 730[04:56:36] <codebam> sorry
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• 741[05:02:34] <ozzloy> what's good software for controlling cameras from debian? i want things like record when there's motion, record in a ring and save when i hit a button. suggestions?
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• 747[05:06:16] <suth> Well, I reinstalled debian 9 for the second time and I still got the same message. "Gave up waiting for root file system device" "/dev/sdb5 does not exist" Remind me again why debian is so god? *sigh*
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• 750[05:06:52] <dvs> because it works1
• 751[05:07:47] <suth> Well, I cant even boot into it after a fresh install. Could it be because I use ahci?
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• 754[05:08:21] <dvs> I sue ahci and it works for me.
• 755[05:08:25] <dvs> *use
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• 760[05:09:46] <suth> Then I don't understand what is wrong, or how to fix it. I did try rootdelay, but that did nothing.
• 761[05:10:36] <suth> I guess the issue can't be that I left the usb stick in? That'd be retarded
• 762[05:10:47] <dvs> What type of device is /dev/sdb?
• 763[05:10:52] <suth> ssd
• 764[05:11:16] <suth> well, thats my guess
• 765[05:11:23] <dvs> ???
• 766[05:11:25] <dvs> you're not sure?
• 767[05:11:32] <suth> well, now im in windows
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• 769[05:11:45] <suth> can't really boot debian..
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• 772[05:12:14] <dvs> suth, I'd bet on UEFI
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• 778[05:13:33] <suth> dvs: That might be
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• 783[05:15:37] <suth> ok, so grub-efi-amd64 grub2/force_efi_extra_removable boolean true?
• 784[05:16:09] <dvs> That's what I had to do.
• 785[05:16:19] <ozzloy> in case anyone's curious, i found a thing called zoneminder that looks like it might do camera stuff i want
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• 787[05:16:47] <suth> alright, ok ill try :)
• 788[05:16:58] <suth> dvs: I enter it in grub yeah?
• 789[05:17:36] <dvs> suth, I did it when I installed UEFI stuff after the install
• 790[05:17:47] <suth> installed uefi stuff?
• 791[05:18:20] <suth> I can't just add it to boot options or something in grub?
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• 796[05:19:59] <dvs> suth, I had to add the extra partition for the EFI data stuff.
• 797[05:21:14] <suth> ok, thank you for your help. Im going to give it a last try or I'm going to bed. It's 5am
• 798[05:21:16] <suth> good night
• 799[05:21:23] <dvs> nite
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• 965[07:18:13] <pingfloyd> !snss
• 966[07:18:13] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 1067[08:24:07] <discovered> i installed non-free linux firmware but wireless not detected yet
• 1068[08:24:23] <discovered> *installed
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• 1072[08:25:29] <jmcnaught> discovered: what does "dmesg | grep -i firmware" say? On Debian 9 stretch dmesg needs to be run as root. Please use replaced-url
• 1073[08:26:38] <discovered> jmcnaught, replaced-url
• 1074[08:28:02] <jmcnaught> discovered: or use the pastebin with ads :P
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• 1076[08:28:59] <discovered> huh
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• 1079[08:29:32] <discovered> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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• 1082[08:31:35] <jmcnaught> ,i firmware-atheros
• 1083[08:31:37] <judd> Package firmware-atheros (non-free/kernel, optional) in stretch/amd64: Binary firmware for Atheros wireless cards. Version: 20161130-3; Size: 3058.1k; Installed: 8047k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1084[08:32:11] <jmcnaught> discovered: install that package ^ do you have an ethernet connection running?
• 1085[08:32:16] <discovered> ah firmware-atheros was missing
• 1086[08:32:17] <discovered> yes
• 1087[08:32:19] <discovered> it is
• 1088[08:32:33] <discovered> installed! now need to reboot
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• 1092[08:35:08] <discovered> jmcnaught, it worked!
• 1093[08:35:39] <discovered> signal strenght is too weak with this builtin motherboard wireless
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• 1165[09:18:09] <rovonovo_zoro> Agiofws: hai
• 1166[09:18:14] <Agiofws> i have a disk with 4 partitions sda1-4 1:windows 7 recovery 2: system windows OS 3:user for windows7 and 4: 1gb freespace
• 1167[09:19:22] <Agiofws> i'd like to resize partion3 /dev/sda3 from 245GB to 100GB and use 145GB for a linux install can i do that? with affecting the windows install?
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• 1169[09:19:46] <Agiofws> and with which tool?
• 1170[09:19:56] <rovonovo_zoro> With or without ?
• 1171[09:20:00] <Agiofws> gnome disk manager does not give me an option
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• 1178[09:21:46] <Agiofws> anyone?
• 1179[09:22:05] <jmcnaught> Agiofws: do you have a backup?
• 1180[09:22:24] <Agiofws> of the whole disk? no i don't
• 1181[09:22:29] <rovonovo_zoro> resize from windows then and make space , but MBR only support 4 partions I guess
• 1182[09:23:17] <rovonovo_zoro> Its always better to have a backup if you mess up
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• 1195[09:32:17] <wakd> hi i have a new stretch netinst with all tasks unselected at install time, so minimal text only consoles. but they are 80x25 chars text mode on 22" monitor. what pkg do i need to install to get smaller font for more console text lines?
• 1196[09:32:40] <wakd> is another pc, not this one
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• 1200[09:36:11] <wakd> originally it was installed from a rc debian-installer, a couple of weeks before release, and updated just now
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• 1206[09:41:23] <wakd> ah, it might be because that machine boots using grub 1.99, and i did not install grub at install time, so might need a kernel parameter?
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• 1210[09:42:11] <wakd> that machine has many os partitions
• 1211[09:43:19] <jmcnaught> ,i console-setup
• 1212[09:43:20] <judd> Package console-setup (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: console font and keymap setup program. Version: 1.164; Size: 114.7k; Installed: 437k
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• 1225[09:48:12] <Frogmorton> Hi all, wheres the best place to sort out making the motion camera app start up correctly at boot up? I have followed all the instructs I can find and it starts the process but the http stream is not accessable by other pooters.
• 1226[09:49:30] <julius> hi
• 1227[09:49:32] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: what program is it? If you want something to start at boot, you can make a systemd service unit for it
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• 1232[09:50:38] <julius> i remember capturing network traffic from one single application with wireshark by running it in some kind of virtual network environment from the command line....but i cant remember how that was called exactly.. the virtual part i mean...any ideas?
• 1233[09:50:54] <Frogmorton> It's called motion
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• 1235[09:51:55] <julius> i dont think it was lxc but a more network only solution
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• 1237[09:52:01] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: that package has an init script. What does "systemctl status motion" say?
• 1238[09:54:05] <Frogmorton> It shows that /etc/init.d/motion was enabled. I think it was configured ok and the process is running after boot up
• 1239[09:54:11] <Agiofws> i have live cd now which i'd like to install on a partition i'll resize in the future but is it possible to install the bootloader grub2 on a usb stick instead of the sda1 mbr ?
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• 1241[09:54:35] <Frogmorton> But the http stream gives a 'forbidden' error from other machines
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• 1243[09:55:18] <Frogmorton> If I kill it and start it with sudo it works ok and I can access the http stream anywhere on my home network
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• 1245[09:55:38] <Agiofws> sda2 has windows 7 what i'd like is that when the machine boots with out the usb grub2 key then it would boot into windows directly is the possible?
• 1246[09:55:41] <Frogmorton> Does systemd need to be given permission to serve http?
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• 1249[09:57:06] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: no systemd is just the program that starts init scripts
• 1250[09:57:25] <julius> ah, it was called network namespace
• 1251[09:58:05] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: you could look at "journalctl -u motion.service"
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• 1256[10:01:16] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: look at /etc/default/motion
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• 1258[10:01:57] <wakd> jmcnaught, thanks for reply, am trying withou success yet
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• 1260[10:03:43] <Frogmorton> ah its getting permission denied when it tries to write the capture files to my specified dir
• 1261[10:04:06] <Frogmorton> so the service doesn't have the same access as when I run it from sudo
• 1262[10:05:08] <Frogmorton> /etc/default/motion just has start_motion_daemon=yes
• 1263[10:05:22] <jmcnaught> wakd: I always install at least the standard utilities task, which installs everything in the standard priority: replaced-url
• 1264[10:06:01] <jmcnaught> wakd: aptitude has a ~p search filter you can use for priority, like "aptitude install ~pimportant" for example
• 1265[10:06:46] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: does it use the same configuration file when started by the init script as it would if you run it with sudo?
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• 1269[10:07:44] <Frogmorton> I believe it does use the same config, they both try to dump snapshots in the motionimages dir that I named in the config
• 1270[10:08:01] <wakd> jmcnaught, i tried using console-setup and setupcon to change the font size, had no effect. i suspect i need to change the display mode but am not familiar with how to do that.
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• 1272[10:08:33] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: what are the owner, group and permissions of the directory you are trying to write to?
• 1273[10:09:07] <wakd> jmcnaught, motherboard has integrated ATI Radeon HD 3000 GPU which works fine with jessie
• 1274[10:09:39] <Frogmorton> It looks like 755, drwxr-xr-x 2 webmate webmate 2465792 Jul 11 22:13 motionimages
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• 1279[10:12:05] <Frogmorton> Thats something I didn't think to check when I set it up
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• 1282[10:13:24] <jmcnaught> wakd: usually Debian does stuff like setting the console font automatically, which is why I suggested using at least the standard priority packages, so that you don't spend time on fixing weird stuff like that. Did you try "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup", or see console-setup's README.Debian?
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• 1286[10:14:50] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: the init script starts it as the user motion
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• 1290[10:16:14] <Frogmorton> Fixed. I made the dir 775 and rebooted.
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• 1295[10:17:11] <Frogmorton> oh no, not quite fixed, unable to connect again
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• 1299[10:18:07] <jmcnaught> Frogmorton: if you are more precise with the errors, and start using a paste site, you will be easier to help
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• 1301[10:18:48] <wakd> jmcnaught, thanks for responding!! no problem, i will redo the install in different ways and see what happens :)
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• 1305[10:19:47] <jmcnaught> wakd: you don't need to reinstall. you could even just run "tasksel" as root and select standard utilties there
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• 1310[10:22:02] <wakd> jmcnaught, tasksel offers only: # debian desktop environment # gnome # xfce # kde # cinnamon # mate # lxde # web server # print server # ssh server # laptop
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• 1313[10:22:26] <wakd> checkboxes, and an ok button, which exits if none are selected
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• 1318[10:23:14] <jmcnaught> wakd: oh, then you can install by priority with aptitude like "aptitude install ~pstandard~pimportant~prequired"
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• 1321[10:24:22] <wakd> jmcnaught, ok ... trying that now, just for laughs :D
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• 1323[10:25:32] <wakd> 144 packages installing ...
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• 1326[10:26:36] <wakd> ugh, exim and bind :(
• 1327[10:26:42] <wakd> rebooting ...
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• 1329[10:27:53] <jmcnaught> it does not install bind, it installs bind9-host which is the version of the host command from bind9
• 1330[10:28:01] <wakd> ah ok
• 1331[10:28:26] <wakd> no improvement in console font size, i will try power cycle off and also the monitor
• 1332[10:28:42] <jmcnaught> aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent will list alternatives to the default exim4 (capital P for provides)
• 1333[10:29:06] <wakd> ok thanks :)
• 1334[10:29:10] <jmcnaught> turning the monitor on/off has nothing to do with it
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• 1337[10:29:38] <wakd> i thought it might be something to do with EDID not that i know anything much about that
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• 1342[10:31:29] <MikMouse> Hi, if i download flashplayer, i get an error saying more or less the following : apt-file is not linked to an application , how do i manage to link an apt-file to apt.. ?
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• 1348[10:33:58] <jmcnaught> MikMouse: apt-file is for searching for files in packages in apt repositories. What is the name of the file that you downloaded?
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• 1350[10:34:52] <wakd> jmcnaught, ahhh i found an error message in dmesg, requires firmware-amd-graphics, trying that now
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• 1353[10:35:38] <jmcnaught> wakd: ahh, usually that issue comes up when someone can't get xorg working
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• 1358[10:37:10] <wakd> jmcnaught, yessss!!! fixed now. thanks also for your interest and suggestions :)
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• 1391[10:51:29] <Frogmorton> jmcnaught, thnx, you made me think about the obvious thing i overlooked (we complain all day about the users not describing their problem then I come home and stop thinking)
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• 1403[10:53:57] <Frogmorton> Is anybody here running a 3D printer manager on Debian, by any chance? 32bit old machinery...
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• 1411[10:57:01] <MikMouse> jmcnaught: flashplayer from adobe, as stated before...
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• 1418[11:02:44] <MikMouse> could somebody google for me to find adobe archive of old flashplayer releases ?
• 1419[11:03:21] <MikMouse> google is not givin me what i am looking for...
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• 1424[11:05:34] <MikMouse> it seems that adobe self is changing the links to the repos on a regualr basis...
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• 1429[11:07:28] <asperon> hi guys, i have a old package that depends on libconfuse0, but stretch comes with libconfuse1, is there any way to add it, symlink them or in any other way get it to work?
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• 1431[11:08:16] <pclov3r> what are you using that requires flash?
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• 1433[11:08:41] <pclov3r> what is the old package?
• 1434[11:09:02] <asperon> its the telldus remote server, it uses a usb dongle to control nexa switches
• 1435[11:09:07] <Frogmorton> MikMouse: (first I wld try to avoid flash) but: replaced-url
• 1436[11:09:16] <asperon> i tried to compile it from source but couldn't get that to work
• 1437[11:09:16] <discovered> i just installed debian and kde desktop from netinstall iso. I some see ugly menu item in kmenu. Screenshot: replaced-url
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• 1439[11:10:55] <Haohmaru> the white stuff there looks like text.. rendered badly
• 1440[11:11:32] <cef> Yeah, looks like fonts
• 1441[11:11:50] <Frogmorton> You can make the KDE menu nicer
• 1442[11:12:01] <MikMouse> how do i link apt file-extensions to firefox , in order to install flashplayer automatically ?
• 1443[11:12:03] <Haohmaru> by installing lxde
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• 1445[11:12:29] <asperon> from what i understand libconfuse1 is fully backwards compatible, can i just tell debian to use it for libconfuse0 calls?
• 1446[11:13:04] <discovered> Frogmorton, Have you seen the screenshot? I can't even see the navigation text ...
• 1447[11:13:39] <MikMouse> how do i link apt file-extensions to firefox , in order to install flashplayer automatically on download ?
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• 1463[11:25:52] <MikMouse> Hi, is there an equivalent to apturl on debian ? replaced-url
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• 1473[11:29:17] <hudo> Hello I like to mount a windows share ( in a windows 7 domain) in my linux system as a normal user. I tried already option user in fstab, but the share is still mounted belonging to root
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• 1477[11:30:16] <rdz> hey all. i have troubles figuring out why certain packages are not installed by unattended-upgrades .. how can i find out why my definitions do not match those packages?
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• 1505[11:45:17] <MikMouse> Hi i read that youtube dont want people to download their videos, if there is no download button. But there is a download link if i right-click on the video windows.. (html5).. which was not put there by youtube i guess, but i can not surely say.., since they promote html5 player, and not flash wich does not show the download option on right click...
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• 1507[11:46:25] <MikMouse> now what is the difference if i use a link or a button to download.....
• 1508[11:48:06] <celyr> MikMouse, what and why ?
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• 1510[11:48:51] <celyr> hudo, please paste in relevant website your (wrong) fastab line and paste the link there, also please stop asking every channel about that
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• 1513[11:50:20] <jelly> MikMouse, what does this apt url look like?
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• 1520[11:53:18] <MikMouse> jelly: Idk, i dont use ubuntu, but the solution to my problem would have been to install apturl, from ubuntu repos..
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• 1523[11:53:41] <jelly> or add the relevant repo manually
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• 1613[13:00:40] <hexhaxtron> When a person asks me to install tls which package should I install?
• 1614[13:01:25] <abrotman> what are they triyng to do with it?
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• 1623[13:08:00] <hexhaxtron> abrotman: I think it's for an eggdrop.
• 1624[13:08:20] <abrotman> so they want to compile something? then they probably want something like openssl-dev
• 1625[13:08:37] <abrotman> sorry, libssl-dev
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• 1628[13:09:27] <hexhaxtron> abrotman: libssl-dev is already installed at the requested version (1.1.0f-3)
• 1629[13:09:38] <abrotman> hexhaxtron: then you'll have to give us more details
• 1630[13:09:45] <abrotman> (if that isn't working for them)
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• 1647[13:17:47] <CeBe> hi, I am trying to compile PHP from source on debian stretch and it can not find curl headers because it is not aware of multiarch and only looks in /usr/include and /usr/local/include instead of /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu
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• 1649[13:17:58] <CeBe> here is the autotools config for it: replaced-url
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• 1652[13:18:13] <abrotman> CeBe: there's no libcurl-dev or similar?
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• 1654[13:18:39] <CeBe> abrotman: its installed, but not in a location that PHP is aware of
• 1655[13:18:55] <CeBe> how could that config autodetect multiarch support in debian and find the right folder?
• 1656[13:19:11] <abrotman> eh, if yuo're compiling something, why would you be using multiarch?
• 1657[13:19:20] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me fix the Postfix config?
• 1658[13:19:27] <abrotman> Also, I didn't realize -dev packages were architecture specific
• 1659[13:19:38] <CeBe> abrotman: libcurl4-openssl-dev installs headers in /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/curl
• 1660[13:19:41] <abrotman> hexhaxtron: a) just ask b) there is also #postfix
• 1661[13:19:53] <CeBe> and now I am looking for the best way to autodetect that
• 1662[13:19:55] <hexhaxtron> abrotman: they are not helping in #postfix
• 1663[13:20:02] <abrotman> CeBe: and what's the architecture of the system?
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• 1665[13:20:11] <hexhaxtron> I'm using Claws Mail and I can receive emails but not send them.
• 1666[13:20:16] <CeBe> abrotman: x86_64-linux-gnu
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• 1668[13:20:52] <CeBe> I can work around that by changing the file and hardcoding my arch, but I'd like to fix it properly and send a patch
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• 1672[13:22:52] <abrotman> hexhaxtron: you'll have to provide errors
• 1673[13:23:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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• 1676[13:24:23] <hexhaxtron> abrotman: this is the mail.log replaced-url
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• 1678[13:25:06] <abrotman> looks like you didn't auth?
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• 1682[13:26:27] <hexhaxtron> abrotman: I'm not sure... this is the Claws Mail log: replaced-url
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• 1684[13:27:20] <abrotman> right, no AUTH.
• 1685[13:27:28] <hexhaxtron> abrotman: what should I do?
• 1686[13:27:41] <abrotman> hexhaxtron: provide auth, or tell postfix to allow relay from that IP
• 1687[13:27:55] <hexhaxtron> How do I provide auth?
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• 1689[13:28:02] <abrotman> I don't use Claws
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• 1691[13:28:11] <abrotman> (I never have used Claws)
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• 1707[13:36:30] <veek> how do i do lsof -n -i 46TCP -c firefox
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• 1710[13:36:42] <veek> just the tcp udp conections for firefox
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• 1715[13:37:22] <abrotman> CeBe: are you sure it's not looking there? or it just can't find the right file?
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• 1728[13:43:26] <Somelauw> I'm using Debian Stretch, but cat /etc/issue shows "Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid \n \l" instead
• 1729[13:43:48] <abrotman> Somelauw: pastebin your sources.list
• 1730[13:44:38] <CeBe> abrotman: replaced-url
• 1731[13:45:07] <abrotman> CeBe: symlink it to where it needs it?
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• 1734[13:45:24] <abrotman> CeBe: You're going to file a bug on the PHP source?
• 1735[13:46:23] <CeBe> abrotman, sure I can symlink. My question is about how to fix PHP properly
• 1736[13:46:30] <CeBe> came up with a solution: replaced-url
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• 1742[13:47:58] <abrotman> CeBe: another option might be to see how the Debian PHP packages have been altered to work with it in that location
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• 1744[13:48:27] <Somelauw> abrotman: It's unpolished but replaced-url
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• 1747[13:49:08] <abrotman> Somelauw: did you alter your sources after Stretch was released?
• 1748[13:49:16] <suth> Hi. Can somone please help me? I did a fresh install of Debian 9, and when I try to boot I get /dev/sdb5 does not exist. Dropping to shell! I'm not on UEFI, and I have tried setting nomodeset and rootdelay
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• 1751[13:50:06] <Somelauw> abrotman: I started from Debian Jessie, I upgraded to stretch before its official release
• 1752[13:51:00] <abrotman> Somelauw: were your sources pointing at "testing" at some point?
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• 1754[13:51:05] <abrotman> or unstable
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• 1762[13:53:01] <Somelauw> abrotman: I think I just replaced Jessie by Stretch. I don't remember setting it to testing.
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• 1764[13:53:11] <nvz> heh
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• 1766[13:53:14] <abrotman> Somelauw: that seems to be what happened ..
• 1767[13:53:29] <Somelauw> maybe the last line is responsible?
• 1768[13:53:33] <abrotman> Somelauw: dpkg -l base-files .. what's the version number?
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• 1770[13:54:03] <Somelauw> abrotman: 10
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• 1772[13:54:17] <abrotman> well, congrats
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• 1774[13:54:21] <abrotman> judd: versions base-files
• 1775[13:54:22] <judd> Package: base-files on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.1wheezy11; jessie: 8+deb8u8; stretch: 9.9; sid: 10; buster: 10
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• 1778[13:54:48] <suth> I'm going to try running live cd and checking fdisk etc. brb
• 1779[13:54:57] <Somelauw> i'm on buster? i don't understand?
• 1780[13:55:09] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Somelauw about which repo
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• 1782[13:55:34] <nvz> I can't seem to connect to a WPA2 secured AP with wicd, it just goes through the motions, says authenticating, then says not connected
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• 1789[13:56:51] <nvz> I haven't the slightest clue how to break it down and debug
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• 1792[13:58:40] <BluesKaj> nvz, why wicd, are you on raspbian/rpi ?
• 1793[13:59:05] <Somelauw> abrotman: I don't know what's going on, can I leave my sources.list like this? Even if by some kind of magic I seem to be used buster instead?
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• 1795[13:59:26] <abrotman> Somelauw: you can do anything you wish
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• 1798[14:00:26] <nvz> BluesKaj: orangepi, yes
• 1799[14:00:48] <nvz> I just realized my system time is wrong and running ntptime is returning the wrong time too
• 1800[14:00:59] <Somelauw> I don't get it. I haven't touched sources.list in a while. It makes no sense. Even if at some point before I had my repositories pointed to testing, it must have been before stretch was released.
• 1801[14:01:01] <nvz> I'm pretty sure its not 1:38am, its light outside
• 1802[14:01:15] <tremolo> Is it magic, or did you add an unstable repo without appropriate pinning?
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• 1806[14:01:55] <Somelauw> it's probably the last line in my sources.list
• 1807[14:02:01] <nvz> could incorrect time affect wpa auth?
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• 1812[14:03:12] <tremolo> Somelauw: Unless you have it pinned, that last line should have you running Sid.
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• 1815[14:04:32] <BluesKaj> nvz, dunno,
• 1816[14:04:53] <nvz> BluesKaj: way to give it the ol college try :P
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• 1818[14:05:56] <Somelauw> tremolo: I have the following in etc/apt/preferences replaced-url
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• 1820[14:06:23] <abrotman> tremolo: I think that's just for one package?
• 1821[14:06:28] <nvz> I don't understand why ntp is returning the incorrect time, its 6hrs and 23 minutes off
• 1822[14:06:30] <BluesKaj> nvz, do you have an upograded raspbian stretch on the pi , if so you need to down grade to the jessie version of thebcm wifi driver
• 1823[14:06:39] <abrotman> oh, nope, misread
• 1824[14:06:47] <Somelauw> I think I can't go back to stretch, but maybe gradually downgrade to buster
• 1825[14:06:47] <nvz> BluesKaj: I'm not running raspbian, this isn't a raspberry pi
• 1826[14:06:54] <nvz> BluesKaj: I'm running stretch
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• 1828[14:07:01] <abrotman> bur regardless, it may have pulled in base-files
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• 1830[14:07:10] <nvz> the only think not in stretch is the kernel
• 1831[14:07:13] <abrotman> Somelauw: you could just point at Buster now, but it may get bumpy
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• 1834[14:07:30] <nvz> I'm using the sunxi kernel
• 1835[14:08:14] <nvz> Fri Jul 14 01:45:29 EDT 2017
• 1836[14:08:15] <Somelauw> abrotman: maybe it would stabilize in a month or two?
• 1837[14:08:30] <BluesKaj> no matter, nvz, if it's stretch you need the the jessie bcm driver version
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• 1839[14:08:57] <nvz> BluesKaj: the what?
• 1840[14:09:13] <nvz> BluesKaj: I don't have a broadcom anything on this machine
• 1841[14:09:20] <BluesKaj> ok ,nevermind
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• 1844[14:09:39] <abrotman> Somelauw: or get worse, no one can know
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• 1846[14:09:56] <abrotman> Somelauw: you're probably okay the way you are for now. But I'd probably comment out that last line.
• 1847[14:10:06] <abrotman> Somelauw: and when you feel you've got a day of free time, upgrade
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• 1849[14:10:09] <abrotman> (to buster)
• 1850[14:10:18] <abrotman> Somelauw: alternately, attempt to downgrade
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• 1854[14:10:36] <BluesKaj> go ask in #orangepi orwhatever support chat it uses, nvz
• 1855[14:10:40] <suth> So. I booted into live cd, checked fdisk and sda5 is there, and everything looks as it should be. However when I mounted sda5 and checked fstab, the file was basically empty and contained only a line regarding sda1. Is this the problem? Uh, been at it for hours now, cant even get debian to boot...
• 1856[14:11:18] * nvz installs ntpdate
• 1857[14:11:29] <abrotman> nvz: you can use ntpd to skew
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• 1859[14:12:11] <nvz> abrotman: ntptime is returning the same time as my date command, and its wrong
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• 1861[14:12:40] <abrotman> nvz: timezone correct?
• 1862[14:12:42] <nvz> and not like timezone wrong, its off by 6hrs and 23 minutes and the TZ is right
• 1863[14:13:05] <nvz> there are no 23 minute timezones I'm aware of
• 1864[14:13:05] <abrotman> nvz: if you run "ntpq" and type "peers", what do you see?
• 1865[14:13:22] <abrotman> Arizona
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• 1868[14:13:34] <nvz> abrotman: Arizona?
• 1869[14:13:42] <abrotman> Humor is lost on you ;)
• 1870[14:13:52] <abrotman> nvz: what does "peers" return ?
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• 1875[14:14:58] <nvz> abrotman: 4 lines for debian.pool.n (cuts off) showing no delay or offset
• 1876[14:15:09] <abrotman> nvz: hwclock?
• 1877[14:15:20] <hudo> rdz, thx it worked with uid and gid
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• 1879[14:15:33] <tremolo> Somelauw: That looks good to me on its own, but I'm not sure why you have pinning for testing when you have no testing repo.
• 1880[14:15:58] <nvz> abrotman: there is no hwclock on this machine, it is set back in 1969, you have to use ntp on these things
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• 1882[14:16:28] <suth> is this: replaced-url
• 1883[14:16:33] <nvz> /bin/sh: 1: hwclock: not found
• 1884[14:16:43] <nvz> bah
• 1885[14:17:11] <nvz> its 12/31/69 19:34:37 -5
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• 1888[14:17:28] <nvz> what it always says because there is no hardware clock on the device
• 1889[14:17:34] <abrotman> neat ..
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• 1893[14:17:56] <nvz> yeah idk where it gets that time from its not even standard epoch
• 1894[14:18:23] <nvz> the time has never been wrong on here before
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• 1898[14:19:19] <nvz> I just happened to notice it was after 8am and my irssi timestamps said its going on 2am
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• 1901[14:20:45] <nvz> abrotman: question is aside from wth is going on with the time suddenly, could incorrect time cause wpa auth to fail? I know it'll affect TLS/SSL on web pages but I dont really know all that much about wpa2
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• 1905[14:21:46] <abrotman> nvz: I wouldn't rule it out
• 1906[14:21:57] <nvz> I thought I only had one problem and realized I had two, which means they might be related
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• 1909[14:22:19] <suth> nobody?
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• 1911[14:22:20] <nvz> I can set the time manually but I'd have to stop ntp if its returning the wrong time
• 1912[14:22:24] <abrotman> I mean, wicd is wonky sometimes
• 1913[14:22:32] <nvz> oh it certainly is
• 1914[14:22:45] <abrotman> suth: what is /dev/sda5 on your system?
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• 1916[14:22:56] <nvz> but Idk how to do wpa, I know how to work iwconfig/dhclient for an unsecure ap
• 1917[14:22:56] <suth> abrotman, it's root
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• 1919[14:23:27] <nvz> I've never used a secured AP other than with network-manager
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• 1921[14:23:50] <Somelauw> tremolo: it's commented
• 1922[14:23:56] <abrotman> suth: that seems .. bad
• 1923[14:24:05] <abrotman> suth: encrypted? lvm? mdraid?
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• 1926[14:24:32] <tremolo> nvz: Standard epoch -5 hours for local time, plus 34 minutes for uptime?
• 1927[14:24:43] <Somelauw> It just seems to me that this setup should give preference to stretch, because it has higher priority than unstable
• 1928[14:24:47] <suth> abrotman: Nothing.. I did set ahci instead of ide, but that should not be a problem right?
• 1929[14:24:54] <nvz> tremolo: could be.. that makes sense I guess
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• 1931[14:25:28] <nvz> tremolo: current uptime is now 46min, so that seems to be it
• 1932[14:25:53] <nvz> tremolo: but it still doesn't explain why ntp is returning the incorrect time
• 1933[14:25:58] <abrotman> suth: doubtful, but you can try
• 1934[14:26:14] <tremolo> Somelauw: Ah, so it is.
• 1935[14:26:20] <suth> abrotman: ok, brb ill change it to ide, reinstall and see.
• 1936[14:26:34] <abrotman> suth: probably don't have to reinstall
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• 1938[14:26:49] <Kitty> I have a minimal debian install I've setup in a vm
• 1939[14:26:49] <suth> ok, brb
• 1940[14:27:00] <Kitty> despite not having it mentioned anywhere in /etc/apt,
• 1941[14:27:06] <Kitty> ftp.nl.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_i18n_Translation-en
• 1942[14:27:16] <Kitty> appears in /var/lib/apt/lists/
• 1943[14:27:24] <Kitty> what is triggering that being pulled in ?
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• 1946[14:28:01] <tremolo> nvz: No, it doesn't. Where are you pulling the time from?
• 1947[14:28:06] <Somelauw> tremolo: no, because by base-files are at version 10 somehow
• 1948[14:28:29] <nvz> doing ntpdate pool.ntp.org returned the correct time, so the debian servers must be messed up
• 1949[14:28:34] <boodie> Hi Everybody (jessie): I intend to upgrade my hardware and install there stretch from scratch. I was told that there are issues with SS disks. Can a strech system be 100% installed on SSDs?
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• 1956[14:30:14] <BluesKaj> boodie, I have stretch on a samsung 860 250Gb ssd , no issues
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• 1958[14:30:30] <BluesKaj> 850 rather
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• 1960[14:31:54] <boodie> BluesKaj: The "Samsung 860 250Gb" being the model of SSD, right?
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• 1962[14:32:59] <BluesKaj> boodie yes Samsung 850 SSD actually
• 1963[14:33:16] <jscoder> tremolo: it was using the defualt pool.debian.ntp servers, I stopped ntp and ran ntpdate pool.ntp.org and it returned the correct time. Then I got knocked off the net because of the time change I guess
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• 1970[14:34:13] <boodie> BluesKaj: No partition / TRIM issues?
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• 1973[14:34:48] <nvz> hmm well that was fail.. apparently I got something configured wrong if I came back unidentified
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• 1975[14:35:04] <nvz> I didn't think that was possible with sasl login
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• 1981[14:36:20] <suth> abrotman: Hey. It did not work. On another note, the live cd freezes and crashes almost everytime I use it. Perhaps it's a hardware thing? I can run ubuntu, arch, mint without issues tho...
• 1982[14:36:43] <abrotman> suth: doesn't sound like hardware
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• 1984[14:37:05] <BluesKaj> boodie, nope, don't believe all the rumours about ssd failure, most are totally untrue , especially the newer SSDs are sold and reliable
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• 1988[14:37:36] <suth> abrotman: I've done two fresh installs, and I used guided partitioning so there is nothing I could have done wrong as far as I know.
• 1989[14:37:44] <boodie> Question 2: any recommended choice of motherboards, that are known to work with the penguin (no Wifi / ethernet / Chipset / Bluetooth or other problems)? I have already been advised that Intel GPU seems to be the smoothest?
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• 1992[14:38:27] <tremolo> Somelauw: There is a warning on the apt pinning page about unintentionally pulling in unstable packages. replaced-url
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• 1995[14:38:52] <abrotman> suth: what options are you choosing when you setup the drives?
• 1996[14:38:57] <BluesKaj> nvz, if you're worride anout trim then run fstrim -a once a moth or so
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• 1999[14:39:11] <BluesKaj> oops boodie^
• 2000[14:39:34] <abrotman> boodie: you want to avoid firmware?
• 2001[14:40:09] <suth> abrotman: guided use entire partition or what it is called
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• 2003[14:40:31] <boodie> Well, I don't know ... ideally I would go for the opensource stuff, if possible
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• 2005[14:40:39] <suth> abrotman: No, guided use all free space or something. Cant remember the exact phrasing.
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• 2007[14:40:57] <abrotman> I've never used guided, but that shouldn't be an issue .. but try manual
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• 2010[14:41:39] <tremolo> all unallocated space or whole disk?
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• 2012[14:41:50] <BluesKaj> manual partitioning is best IME ..never trusted the auto or guided much
• 2013[14:42:15] <suth> abrotman: ok, installing debian again then :) Thanks for trying to help by the way! Really appreciate it. I've got basically no experience with linux, but I really want to get into it now, and debian seems just right for me.
• 2014[14:42:37] <tremolo> I've never had a problem with guided.
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• 2016[14:42:49] <Ocean> dito
• 2017[14:42:58] <abrotman> suth: I made the same decision nearly 20 years ago :)
• 2018[14:43:04] <suth> :)
• 2019[14:43:24] <suth> well, back in 20 minutes, hopefully to thnak you for the help and not to bang my head in the wall :P
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• 2030[14:49:53] <BluesKaj> tremolo, I usually prepartiiton the drive before installing any OSs, mainly for dual booting and It's simpler during the intalls
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• 2035[14:50:50] <tremolo> Fair enough. I haven't done a dual boot off the same disk in years.
• 2036[14:51:48] <BluesKaj> <-- not a VM fan
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• 2038[14:52:40] <tremolo> I do VMs at work. At home, I have separate disks.
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• 2048[14:55:24] <BluesKaj> right, not afraid to admit VMs never seem to work on this pc, there's always a problem of some sort. Whether it's my inability to install the guest OS properly or if successful there's some HW issue.
• 2049[14:55:47] <boodie> I am also planning to have a dual-boot with windows 10 ... (for games). Do you know if it is still possible as usual with GRUB (I have XP and Jessie at the moment).
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• 2053[14:57:58] <abrotman> boodie: yes
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• 2056[14:59:12] <BluesKaj> boodie, yes, it can be done, but I hope you're familiar with UEFI/GPT install procedures
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• 2058[14:59:39] <tremolo> On my home PC, it "just works."
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• 2062[15:01:34] <tremolo> Installed Windows on its SSD first, because it likes to assume it's the only thing I could want. Installed Debian from USB onto a separate SSD. Rebooted, and the GRUB menu had both.
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• 2064[15:01:50] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 2067[15:02:49] <tremolo> Howdy
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• 2069[15:03:49] <suth> abrotman: Still not working... I also tried to login with liveCD again to give you the fdisk, fstab outputs, but it crashes everytime...
• 2070[15:04:05] * BluesKaj doesn't bother with windows anymore...not a gamer anyway so i don't see the point of it anymore
• 2071[15:04:12] <tremolo> suth: Are you trying to install from a live image?
• 2072[15:04:16] <Haohmaru> when you insert a usb stick with some "exotic" partitions - windows immediately suggest you format them.. what a bastard
• 2073[15:04:32] <darxmurf> after an upgrade to stretch I got a "loading initial ramdisk" freez on my machine
• 2074[15:04:39] <darxmurf> I can boot on the old kernel
• 2075[15:04:48] <suth> tremolo: Yes, I downloaded the liveCD and I do the install with gui option
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• 2078[15:05:19] <tremolo> BluesKaj: I wasn't, but wife likes GTA. >.>
• 2079[15:05:25] <suth> I've tried both the official and the unofficial with nonfree
• 2080[15:05:46] <tremolo> suth: I seem to recall that there were some issues installing from the live images. Not sure whether they have been fixed.
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• 2084[15:06:26] <suth> tremolo: well, with the new release of debian stretch one would only assume that the liveCD install should work, no?
• 2085[15:06:35] <boodie> BluesKaj: what are the UEFI/GPT install procedures?
• 2086[15:06:50] <BluesKaj> tremolo, yeah , wife play LOTRO on her W7 pc
• 2087[15:06:51] <Devastator> is lvm "reliable"?
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• 2090[15:06:56] <BluesKaj> plays
• 2091[15:07:03] <suth> I think maybe ill just try another distro... I have no idea what is going on.
• 2092[15:07:08] <tremolo> No, I mean that there were issues installing from the Stretch liveCD.
• 2093[15:07:16] <suth> tremolo: aha.
• 2094[15:07:23] <suth> hm, so network install then?
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• 2096[15:07:53] <suth> or the small iso
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• 2098[15:08:06] <tremolo> Netinstall should work. I downloaded a bluray image and put it on a flash disk to install at home, because home internet sucks.
• 2099[15:08:33] <tremolo> I'm not sure whether netinst has a GUI or whether that's important to you.
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• 2102[15:09:07] <suth> ill try replaced-url
• 2103[15:09:08] <suth> this one
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• 2105[15:09:45] <suth> it has xfce on it, I can change that to kde without issues later right?
• 2106[15:09:47] <tremolo> Devastator: I've been using it for years. No issues as yet.
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• 2108[15:10:01] <darxmurf> I tried to add debug options in my grub to check what's wrong with the new kernel but nothing is displayed, it stops on "loading initial ramdisk"
• 2109[15:10:10] <darxmurf> I never had this issue after an upgrade
• 2110[15:10:13] <BluesKaj> boodie, replaced-url
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• 2112[15:10:22] <tremolo> suth: Yes, or probably select KDE instead of XFCE during the installation; it will have to download the KDE packages because they won't be on the disk.
• 2113[15:10:30] <darxmurf> I could boot on the old kernel, reinstall the new one, generate initramfs and all, update grub
• 2114[15:10:33] <darxmurf> but same problem
• 2115[15:10:44] <suth> tremolo: ok, thanks alot :)
• 2116[15:10:53] <tremolo> No problem
• 2117[15:10:56] <suth> *crossingfingersandtoes*
• 2118[15:11:12] <tremolo> Good luck :D
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• 2120[15:12:56] <Devastator> tremolo I have a server that is unstable since day one and it is my first experience with LVM, memtest86+ ran for 20 hours with no errors, I'm investigating the hdd now but doesn't seem to be the cause as well
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• 2122[15:13:23] <Devastator> tremolo by unstable I mean segfault errors, corruptions etc
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• 2134[15:18:19] <tremolo> Devastator: Since LVM is the "new" component, it's suspect?
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• 2157[15:31:47] <abrotman> suthbah
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• 2162[15:34:32] <pierrot> Hi. Is it safe to upgrade Debian from a ssh session?
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• 2164[15:34:52] <darxmurf> pierrot: it's what I do usually
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• 2167[15:35:35] <greycat> Nothing is ever 100% safe. But it's a supported release upgrade method.
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• 2171[15:35:59] <apollo13> pierrot: you'd still wanna have access to a rescue console
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• 2175[15:37:38] <abrotman> pierrot: use screen or tmux
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• 2177[15:38:45] <pierrot> thanks apollo13 and darxmurf
• 2178[15:38:56] <pierrot> abrotman: why a terminal multiplexer?
• 2179[15:39:23] <darxmurf> the only issue I have now is the new kernel which is not booting :-x
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• 2181[15:39:54] <abrotman> pierrot: in case you're disconnected
• 2182[15:40:06] <pierrot> abrotman: good point
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• 2188[15:42:30] <pierrot> I updated Debian last week on my laptop. Evertyhing worked except some problems with kde and the absence of some packages. Now I want to upgrade Debian to Stretch in a server.
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• 2192[15:43:07] <darxmurf> well usually there is no graphical interface on a server, it should be fine :-)
• 2193[15:43:08] <boodie> My plan is to have windows installed by the computer shop (let somebody else deal with it), then download a netinstall ISO image. From the UEFI Debian wiki, I understood that "current support for UEFI in Debian Jessie is limited to amd64, i386 and arm64" ... so 64 bit Intel processors are not supported?
• 2194[15:43:47] <towo^work> 64bitz intel is amd64
• 2195[15:43:50] <darxmurf> amd64 is a generic name
• 2196[15:44:03] <towo^work> i don't think you own an ia64
• 2197[15:44:15] <darxmurf> is it still in production ?
• 2198[15:44:21] <darxmurf> I mean they still sell that ?
• 2199[15:44:27] <towo^work> no
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• 2201[15:44:30] <Lowl3v3l> boodie: the difference is : intel64 / ia64 usually refers to itanium processors.
• 2202[15:44:57] <boodie> OK, phew! ... between AMD and Intel, which is best (I was told that the processor is pretty much irrelevant)?
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• 2206[15:45:31] <boodie> itanium processors therefore not supported
• 2207[15:45:50] <abrotman> what?
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• 2209[15:46:02] <greycat> amd64 is the "64-bit AMD/Intel processor" line used in current standard PCs
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• 2211[15:46:38] <abrotman> it would be easier if Itanium had never exited, or Intel hadn't listened to a marketing person
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• 2213[15:47:26] <boodie> But then again AMD64 architecture will be the Stretch to be installed invariably ....
• 2214[15:47:35] <darxmurf> bah
• 2215[15:47:38] <darxmurf> they tried :-)
• 2216[15:48:47] <boodie> Itanium was another internal line of products that did not succeed
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• 2221[15:50:37] <shodan`> Hey for some reason cifs broke on my system after I upgraded. I keep getting "modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'cifs': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)". I installed linux-image (3.16.43-2+deb8u2) over (3.16.36-1+deb8u2)
• 2222[15:50:42] <boodie> I heard that the Celeron was a Pentium crippled after production, just to create a lower end product that costed them more to manufacture, in factit
• 2223[15:50:58] <shodan`> dmesg just contains "cifs: Unknown symbol setattr_prepare (err 0)"
• 2224[15:51:44] <darxmurf> huh, my server just booted with the new kernal Oo
• 2225[15:52:04] <darxmurf> upgraded bios/bmc/fw and all, reseted bios, reconfigured it and yay
• 2226[15:52:06] <darxmurf> weird
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• 2230[15:52:39] <Lowl3v3l> boodie: not really after production. e.g. celerons usually had smaller caches, lacked some advanced processor features etc. like atoms in a way
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• 2232[15:53:09] <darxmurf> but still ok to run lights systems which does not need high performance
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• 2235[15:54:14] <darxmurf> soooo folks, week-end time !
• 2236[15:54:15] <darxmurf> cheers !
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• 2240[15:54:36] <shodan`> Some more info: replaced-url
• 2241[15:54:43] <shodan`> darxmurf: 1 more hour
• 2242[15:54:52] <Devastator> tremolo something like that
• 2243[15:55:05] <Devastator> tremolo sorry for the delay, got other issues to solve
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• 2249[15:58:19] <shodan`> rebooting fixed it, I feel silly now
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• 2268[16:06:10] <kalin> hi
• 2269[16:06:32] <kalin> i've installed debian on one notebook
• 2270[16:07:21] <kalin> after that i make image of hdd and put image on another notebook, but ethernet isn't work
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• 2274[16:08:21] <Lowl3v3l> kalin: generally, thats a bad idea, most likely firmware or a driver is missing or the networking is misconfigured.
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• 2276[16:09:04] <kalin> but the notebooks are almost same
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• 2281[16:10:17] <kalin> how to see the correct name of ethernet controller (eth???) to put it in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2285[16:11:08] <greycat> kalin: you can start with "ip link"
• 2286[16:11:11] <Lowl3v3l> kalin: it hasn't been eth for quite some time. "almost the same" is not enough
• 2287[16:11:32] <greycat> Lowl3v3l: in a stretch install (vs. a stretch upgrade), nothing will be named eth0
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• 2291[16:11:53] <Lowl3v3l> greycat: yeah, what i meant ;)
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• 2294[16:13:04] <kalin> ip link says eth1, but before i was try my luck with the name
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• 2296[16:13:31] <kalin> i was try with eth0, eth1 and eth2
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• 2301[16:14:34] <boodie> Anyways, if I went for an 'AMD64' compatible I shouldn't face UEFI issues with Stretch installed on a SSD, hopefully
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• 2303[16:15:03] <boodie> Apologies; Anyways, if I went for an 'AMD64' compatible architecture I shouldn't face UEFI issues with Stretch installed on a SSD, hopefully
• 2304[16:15:08] <greycat> Every PC you can buy in Best Buy today is going to be amd64.
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• 2307[16:15:37] <suth> Finally!! Debian is running ^^
• 2308[16:15:43] <suth> Thank you guys for the help
• 2309[16:15:54] <a1111> ni men hao a
• 2310[16:16:00] <kalin> this notebooks are old x86 atoms
• 2311[16:16:07] <greycat> The only way you'd get a machine that *isn't* amd64 is to buy something old, or to special order.
• 2312[16:16:16] <abrotman> suth: what was the issue?
• 2313[16:16:31] <boodie> Jolly good; any other quirks and issues to be aware of (chipset problems / interfaces)?
• 2314[16:17:09] <suth> I have no idea, installed without the liveCD. But I do expect it to be the force UFI stuff you mentioned. But I got confused, because I don't have UEFI, but apparantly, it does run UFI
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• 2316[16:17:51] <kalin> any ideas?
• 2317[16:18:17] <kalin> ethernet controller is qualcomm atheros AR8132
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• 2325[16:20:40] <BluesKaj> boodie, uefi is on any 64bit computer sold since 2010
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• 2327[16:21:16] <BluesKaj> any and almost every
• 2328[16:21:19] <abrotman> suth: Oh, I"m sorry, I missed that bit about installing from the LiveCD .. I'd never recommend that
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• 2330[16:21:58] <BluesKaj> the netinstall is the most stable method
• 2331[16:22:10] <suth> Ok, I do got another noob question. When running apt update && upgrade I'm told that stretch Release' does not have a release file. Update cant be done securely and its therefore disabled by default. is replaced-url
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• 2333[16:22:37] <suth> abrotman: I'm just happy you wanted to help :) *shakes hand*
• 2334[16:23:20] <pclover> So having a bit of an issue here and i don't understand the problem. Attempting to cross compile with mingw using ./configure --host x86-64-w64-mingw32 and i am getting machine `x86-64-w64' not recognized
• 2335[16:23:24] <pclover> perhaps i'm doing something wrong
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• 2338[16:24:19] <suth> I get the same error when doing apt-get update, I guess it is because I enabled backports? How can I safely fix it?
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• 2345[16:27:17] <pclover> found the solution need to use x86-64-w64-mingw32
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• 2371[16:39:47] <a1111> hello
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• 2388[16:49:08] <toruvinn> what does Evolution use to open links? it's not xdg-open apparently.
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• 2448[17:13:00] <Delf> Where's "standard"? as in no DE? replaced-url
• 2449[17:13:07] <greycat> yes
• 2450[17:13:09] <Delf> Depreciated?
• 2451[17:13:13] <greycat> what
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• 2453[17:13:53] <nkuttler> Delf: um, do not install from a live image
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• 2455[17:13:54] <greycat> Oh, you said "Where", not "What".
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• 2457[17:13:58] <greycat> !netinst
• 2458[17:13:59] <dpkg> well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
• 2459[17:14:37] <Delf> nkuttler: I'm not installing from a live image. Thanks for the suggestion. But why not?
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• 2461[17:15:11] <greycat> Because they're broken.
• 2462[17:15:43] <Delf> Broken?
• 2463[17:16:07] <greycat> 1. Not working according to design (of programs). This is the mainstream sense.
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• 2465[17:16:14] <Delf> I want the live for PXE booting, not to install from. I usually use the installer with PXE to install.
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• 2483[17:20:38] <boodie> Hi, this is the best site replaced-url
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• 2492[17:22:49] <Delf> he non-firmware and unofficial ones have drivers from both nvidia and amd and I don't know if that "works" but it's not the DE I want, only the standard, no DE.
• 2493[17:22:58] <theseb> Is having TWO hard drives a clean problem free way to have Windows and Linux on the same computer? (Why did folks spend so much time years ago discussing how to put boths OSes on same drive?...This solution seems so simple.)
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• 2496[17:23:20] <greycat> Delf: ask in #debian-live on OFTC
• 2497[17:23:54] <mise> anyone know how i can make qt5 programs match my gtk theme in Debian 9?
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• 2502[17:24:59] <petn-randall> mise: You'd have to pick a theme that provides both. I haven't found an obvious way yet to determine which themes do that.
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• 2514[17:27:11] <mise> petn-randall: i have looked at qt5ct but i'm having trouble building it. not sure where i'm going wrong. i'll keep trying and will see if there are any other solutions.
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• 2523[17:29:48] <jhutchins_wk> boodie: Yes, there are others. Usually you'll find one associated with any distribution. The problem is that they rely on people to report whether their installation worked, and people usually don't bother.
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• 2528[17:36:11] <xistens3> hi everyone! does anyone else experienced Debian jessie package update issues (especially samba) where dependencies got broken? eg. Depends: samba-libs (= 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u7) but it is not going to be installed. I have two servers (one VPS and one physical, each serve different purpose), two different locations, both got the same issue at exactly same time.
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• 2532[17:36:45] <xistens3> I think I'll deactivate automatic updates for all others I have.
• 2533[17:37:12] <greycat> someone on debian-user said samba's got a bad depends: in a recent security update
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• 2535[17:37:20] <greycat> or more specifically, python-samba
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• 2541[17:39:32] <xistens3> ok, thanks!
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• 2545[17:40:27] <dsc_> debian 9 has a nice grub splash screen
• 2546[17:40:33] <dsc_> better than 8!!
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• 2552[17:42:18] <wfq> hi guys
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• 2556[17:45:00] <wfq> guys I've been running my server on Debian Wheezy but just realised how behind I am :)
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• 2558[17:45:21] <greycat> Lots of wheezy boxes out there.
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• 2562[17:45:42] <Violinist> wfq, no its great
• 2563[17:45:48] <Violinist> ur old stable
• 2564[17:45:49] <wfq> It is my testing server so I don't care if it gets broken. Should I upgraded up to Strech or first to Jessie?
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• 2566[17:45:55] <greycat> Wheezy is oldoldstable currently.
• 2567[17:45:56] <Violinist> nah
• 2568[17:46:03] <Violinist> granpa debian
• 2569[17:46:07] <Violinist> be proud of it
• 2570[17:46:17] <greycat> wfq: if you want to end up on stretch, you have to do two upgrades.
• 2571[17:46:35] <wfq> Violinist, I guess you are being a bit sarcastic :)
• 2572[17:46:39] <Violinist> no
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• 2574[17:46:53] <wfq> greycat ok, is there any typical bot's help to do such upgrade?
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• 2576[17:47:03] <dsc_> wfq: Perhaps run jessie for a while and get used to systemd before going to 9
• 2577[17:47:06] <Violinist> if there arent any new packages u need you dont need to upgrade
• 2578[17:47:10] <greycat> wfq: /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie and then /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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• 2580[17:47:57] <wfq> Thanks guys
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• 2584[17:48:58] <greycat> The main problems for people upgrading to stretch seem to be video driver/firmware ones, which wouldn't affect most servers.
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• 2588[17:49:54] <boodie> jhutchins_wk: the debian harware howto points at this URL replaced-url
• 2589[17:50:36] <wfq> greycat thanks. I use my Debian as a black box so no video cards or whatsoever. I became a bit posh using Mac as workstation... Sorry guys :)
• 2590[17:50:53] <greycat> boodie: there's also replaced-url
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• 2594[17:52:48] <wfq> Violinist you would be proud of me as I still use apt-get an /etc/init.d/service blabla... Until a couple of months ago that a friend of mine told me I became old-fashion I didn't realise that the community had shifted towards aptitude
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• 2596[17:53:07] <greycat> No it hasn't.
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• 2599[17:53:11] <nkuttler> wfq: nonsense
• 2600[17:53:27] <greycat> Some people like it, some don't. There's also apt(8) now.
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• 2602[17:53:50] <wfq> hasn't it?
• 2603[17:53:54] <nkuttler> and some people like dselect
• 2604[17:54:10] <wfq> ooops I long discarded dselect...
• 2605[17:54:12] <greycat> I think most of the people who actively help here prefer apt-get.
• 2606[17:54:42] <greycat> But you can use whatever you like. That's why there are choices.
• 2607[17:54:52] <nkuttler> you can even write your own
• 2608[17:55:00] <jelly> aptitude has good and bad sides. I like and prefer it, but sometimes its dependency resolver gets things worse than apt-get's.
• 2609[17:55:01] <Violinist> wfq, ur gona bring up systemd next
• 2610[17:55:10] <jelly> Violinist, don't go there.
• 2611[17:55:12] <Violinist> which they found a bug in already
• 2612[17:55:15] <Violinist> lol
• 2613[17:55:26] <mutante> the /etc/init.d/ part though.. that is more likely to be called old-fashioned
• 2614[17:55:26] <wfq> Violinist, lol
• 2615[17:55:28] <greycat> There are bugs in every nontrivial program.
• 2616[17:55:29] <Violinist> and linux community doesnt like it
• 2617[17:55:38] <jelly> Violinist, seriously, drop it
• 2618[17:55:42] <nkuttler> init scripts most likely just call systemd anyway
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• 2620[17:55:47] <Violinist> jelly, shut up
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• 2625[17:56:05] <jelly> no systemd rants in here, okay
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• 2627[17:56:31] <jelly> actual questions, sure, rants, -> /dev/null
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• 2629[17:56:55] * nkuttler renames his local user to 0day
• 2630[17:57:10] <jelly> !slap nkuttler
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• 2634[17:57:26] <wfq> curious I still get Linux System Administrator job offers... People must be doing really wrong out there
• 2635[17:57:27] <mutante> nkuttler: user names cant start with numbers?
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• 2642[17:58:25] <wfq> well guys while upgrading to Jessie I got this message: You will need to start these manually by running '/etc/init.d/<service> start'. <---- Come on! It is not that old fashion apparently :)
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• 2649[17:59:55] <mutante> wfq: upgrading _to_ jessie in itself is old-fashioned *g*, upgrade FROM jessie now :)
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• 2653[18:00:21] <jelly> 2015 isn't that ancient history
• 2654[18:00:32] * rafalcpp finds the right tune
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• 2656[18:00:46] <greycat> If you're still in the middle of the wheezy->jessie then you probably still have wheezy/sysvinit stuff, so the message is probably correct.
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• 2658[18:01:03] <rafalcpp> o systed! you so might and fantastic you are! o systemd, 0days are low price to pay for your mighty 3 sec bootup time, o systemd I love you sooo
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• 2666[18:01:50] <rafalcpp> but that was a prise
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• 2671[18:02:17] <jelly> rafalcpp, keep this channel to actual tech support issues
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• 2675[18:02:35] <rafalcpp> damn, I got next like 4 lines and a horous. anyway
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• 2683[18:03:59] <rafalcpp> on debian 8, aptitude seems to work bad since the time debian 9 was released
• 2684[18:04:06] <rafalcpp> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 2685[18:04:18] <greycat> That has nothing to do with aptitude vs. apt-get vs. apt.
• 2686[18:04:28] <rafalcpp> I'm asking how to fix this problem
• 2687[18:04:33] <wfq> greycat, let's see if your theory is correct when I update now to Stretch
• 2688[18:04:45] <greycat> That's just a bad mirror. Try again in a minute, or switch to a different mirror, or a different mirror-redirector.
• 2689[18:04:50] <rafalcpp> before also it says "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 1397BC53640DB551"
• 2690[18:05:03] <raktajino> greycat: you mentioned a bit ago that most folks in here prefer apt-get to apt or aptitude, do you have any links to comparisons / reasoning for this?
• 2691[18:05:14] <rafalcpp> I seem to get this error since days
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• 2694[18:05:34] <greycat> raktajino: no, just anecdotal stuff
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• 2697[18:05:50] <raktajino> nod
• 2698[18:06:34] <rafalcpp> also, aptitude upgrade says 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded
• 2699[18:06:43] <rafalcpp> why this 7 are not getting upgraded, and how to make them
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• 2701[18:07:26] <greycat> Read the context, and consider manually installing something, or using dist-upgrade.
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• 2706[18:08:44] <rafalcpp> Im stil on debian 8, not after recent uprade, why there would be need for dist-upgrade?
• 2707[18:09:44] <greycat> Sometimes a security update of a package has new dependencies.
• 2708[18:10:13] <greycat> Happened when firefox-esr ticked, and it happens sometimes on bind9 sourced stuff.
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• 2712[18:11:28] <rafalcpp> aptitude dist-upgrade wants to remove entire kde
• 2713[18:11:34] <greycat> Say no.
• 2714[18:11:38] <themill> samba (samba-dsdb-modules) was built incorrectly and will be rebuilt
• 2715[18:11:43] <greycat> (unless you want to remove kde...)
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• 2717[18:12:01] <rafalcpp> themill: yes this is mentioning samba stuff. so just wait for update?
• 2718[18:13:11] <themill> if that's the only issue, yes
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• 2745[18:19:38] <amir107> Hey amir107 Check out this most amazing video replaced-url
• 2746[18:19:42] <Amiro> !spam
• 2747[18:19:42] <amir107> First 10 subscribers gets free fidget spinner replaced-url
• 2748[18:19:42] <dpkg> spam is probably a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), <bogofilter>, <razor>/<pyzor>, <crm114> (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, replaced-url
• 2749[18:19:43] <amir107> First 10 subscribers gets free fidget spinner replaced-url
• 2750[18:19:43] <amir107> First 10 subscribers gets free fidget spinner replaced-url
• 2751[18:19:44] <amir107> First 10 subscribers gets free fidget spinner replaced-url
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• 2760[18:22:44] <rafalcpp> there should a court martial for combo of spam and fidget spinners
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• 2763[18:24:42] <matthiaskrgr> fidget spammer
• 2764[18:25:16] <jelly> !why aptitude
• 2765[18:25:17] <dpkg> aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). replaced-url
• 2766[18:25:24] <jelly> !why not aptitude
• 2767[18:25:25] <dpkg> Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see replaced-url
• 2768[18:25:36] <jelly> raktajino, ^^
• 2769[18:25:37] <taylan> shit like fidget spinners almost makes me believe in the Illuminati
• 2770[18:25:41] <raktajino> jelly: cheers
• 2771[18:25:52] <matthiaskrgr> how much memory does aptitude need? lol
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• 2775[18:27:38] <BluesKaj> lol?..oh no not a lol-er
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• 2777[18:27:58] <matthiaskrgr> BluesKaj: lmao
• 2778[18:28:00] <matthiaskrgr> :p
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• 2780[18:29:10] <friiq> hello lol
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• 2783[18:29:45] <BluesKaj> good then you're all laffed out
• 2784[18:30:19] <friiq> ass is completely off now
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• 2786[18:30:46] <friiq> that's one way to lose weight
• 2787[18:30:51] <wfq> A jump of history in a matter of minutes. Bye Wheezy, welcome Stretch
• 2788[18:31:07] <friiq> hello buster
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• 2793[18:32:58] <pclover> so how long more does jessie get support for?
• 2794[18:33:03] <pclover> suppose there is a bot here that says so
• 2795[18:33:04] <friiq> until 2018
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• 2797[18:33:19] <pclover> ah
• 2798[18:33:29] <greycat> Full support for one year after stretch's release, then LTS support (less than full) for some unknown number of years.
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• 2801[18:34:00] <pclover> guess LTS probably means security fixes
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• 2803[18:34:07] <pclover> or serious bugs
• 2804[18:34:16] <greycat> LTS focuses mostly on issues that would affect servers.
• 2805[18:34:25] <inviz> if only we could apt-get all the time without any issues (you would be on stretch automatically now)
• 2806[18:34:27] <pclover> makes sense
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• 2809[18:34:38] <greycat> Which is not to say that web browsers (etc.) are abandoned entirely; they just aren't the main focus.
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• 2815[18:35:13] <pclover> so i guess LTS timelines with debian are loosely defined
• 2816[18:35:27] <greycat> !wheezy lts
• 2817[18:35:27] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See replaced-url
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• 2820[18:36:30] <pclover> so does that mean in 1 year form the release of stretch jessie goes LTS or?
• 2821[18:36:40] <greycat> yes
• 2822[18:36:46] <pclover> easy enough
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• 2825[18:36:49] <novilog> I've been trying to build the gnome-twitch package from source on Debian Jessie stable, but I get this replaced-url
• 2826[18:37:09] <Brigo> whois teraflops
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• 2828[18:37:54] <pclover> what dep can't it find?
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• 2832[18:38:21] <novilog> pclover: It's having some trouble with the meson package, as it shows in that error. What the trouble is, I haven't been able to figure out
• 2833[18:38:37] <jordanm> novilog: jessie is oldstable, not stable
• 2834[18:38:39] <BluesKaj> Brigo, right click on the nick in the nicklist to do a whois if you client has that option
• 2835[18:38:59] <novilog> pclover: jordanm: Not really helpful information...
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• 2837[18:39:06] <freeone> when I run perl it says this: replaced-url
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• 2839[18:39:12] <Brigo> BluesKaj, just a mistake, i forgot the leading / :)
• 2840[18:39:19] <novilog> pclover: Sorry, not intended for you
• 2841[18:39:33] <BluesKaj> Brigo, right
• 2842[18:39:57] <pclover> could you post your build log on the debian pastebin or something
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• 2844[18:40:14] <jordanm> novilog: what version of meson does it build-depend on?
• 2845[18:40:36] <freeone> build log ?
• 2846[18:41:07] <pclover> the log from the compiler
• 2847[18:41:19] <freeone> what
• 2848[18:41:40] <freeone> I mean even if I just run "perl" it says that message
• 2849[18:42:01] <freeone> I didn't compilled perl
• 2850[18:42:15] <pclover> what is the error?
• 2851[18:42:15] <asperon> hi guys, i have a old package that depends on libconfuse0, but stretch comes with libconfuse1, is there any way to add it, symlink them or in any other way get it to work?
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• 2853[18:42:27] <novilog> pclover: Don't really know much about the logging features of Debian, and google isn't being helpful atm. Do you have a quick and dirty?
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• 2856[18:43:18] <freeone> ots warmomg: replaced-url
• 2857[18:43:23] <freeone> what to do ?
• 2858[18:43:31] <freeone> its warning
• 2859[18:43:35] <jhutchins_wk> freeone: So set your localle.
• 2860[18:43:37] <jhutchins_wk> !localle
• 2861[18:43:42] <jhutchins_wk> !locale
• 2862[18:43:43] <dpkg> A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. replaced-url
• 2863[18:43:43] <freeone> how ?
• 2864[18:43:45] <novilog> pclover: Unless you mean just cat std out and std err to the pastebin, because that's what I did, already, with the sprunge link
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• 2867[18:46:33] <freeone> any ideas ?
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• 2869[18:46:43] <greycat> freeone: by reading the two URLs that the bot gave you
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• 2871[18:47:22] <freeone> no
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• 2876[18:49:39] <novilog> No documentation or anything on build logs? Anything I could read?
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• 2878[18:50:01] <freeone> you asking me ?
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• 2882[18:50:51] <freeone> replaced-url
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• 2884[18:51:13] <novilog> freeone: Not you. I'm having my own specific issue
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• 2886[18:52:04] <Walakea> does removing the xserver-xorg-video-intel package have any chance of fixing the acpi not registering certain Fn key combos?
• 2887[18:52:25] <greycat> TIAS
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• 2891[18:54:34] <freeone> !i18n
• 2892[18:54:34] <dpkg> i guess i18n is an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it? replaced-url
• 2893[18:54:34] <novilog> Walakea: not likely. Usually key combo assignment/reassignment is handled by your window manager
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• 2896[18:56:07] <Walakea> novilog: not even, this is a low level issue with acpi
• 2897[18:56:09] <greycat> novilog: from previous days here: Walakea is using some kind of laptop with an Fn key, and he's pressing some Fn+Fx combination, and xev is not seeing it, and he thinks xev SHOULD be seeing it.
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• 2900[18:56:45] <Walakea> acpi_listen reacts when i press all FN + X keys except for F5 and F6
• 2901[18:57:01] <freeone> so, question, I noticed on linux distribution without package manager if I want to update say, openssh I need to compile it and then do "make install", but then I noticed "wget" can't access https links, so I need to recompile wget too, to link it with new libraries, but how is it done in debian, if you do update some library like openssh, will some tools be automatically updated or they will stop working
• 2902[18:57:07] <freeone> ?
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• 2905[18:57:23] <Walakea> i can turn off my display (with Fn + F7) even in text mode
• 2906[18:57:27] <greycat> freeone: this is #debian, not linux. Go to linux if you are writing your own distribution.
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• 2908[18:57:56] <freeone> anyone else ?
• 2909[18:58:12] <Walakea> i am thinking about writing an email to ASUS, but i think they will just dismiss me
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• 2915[18:59:48] <Walakea> from what i have seen on internet it is mostly fixed by adding Grub options like acpi_osi=... and acpi_backlight=...
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• 2918[19:01:34] <freeone> Walakea: try xbindkeys
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• 2922[19:03:51] <freeone> so does that mean when some maintainer for debian package update their package, like openssh, they also have to update all packages dependent on it and upload them all into debian repository ?
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• 2926[19:04:49] <FroxT> Hi, I am experience lots of screen tearing with my nvidia card on Debian. I have the drivers installed. Is installing compton a good solution to fix this?
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• 2928[19:05:17] <Epakai> freeone: there are automated systems to do that replaced-url
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• 2931[19:05:39] <novilog> pclover: Basically, what I sent in the sprunge was the build log.
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• 2941[19:11:45] <BluesKaj> FroxT, which nvidia gpu and which DE?
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• 2948[19:13:57] <Sakarah> I have a really strange behaviour after a "systemctl hibernate". At restart grub doesn't appear and Windows is automatically triggered.
• 2949[19:14:25] <Sakarah> So I have to halt it and then I can recover my session
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• 2952[19:15:08] <Sakarah> Is there a way to always show grub after hibernation or correctly choose the OS to boot into ?
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• 2956[19:15:58] <BluesKaj> Sakarah, do you mean suspend ?
• 2957[19:16:26] <Sakarah> Yes suspend to disk
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• 2959[19:16:44] <Brigo> Sakarah, i think grub is showed always after hibernation.
• 2960[19:17:02] <Sakarah> Thats not the case with my computer
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• 2962[19:17:18] <Sakarah> And actually this is the problem
• 2963[19:17:33] <discovered> where can i find boot logs?
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• 2967[19:18:12] <BluesKaj> hmm, never used suspend to disk, suspend to RAM doesn't show that behaviour here
• 2968[19:18:20] <Tenkawa> Whats happening “when” you suspend.
• 2969[19:18:23] <jhutchins_wk> Walakea: What make/model?
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• 2972[19:18:41] <Tenkawa> Does it poweroff on its own?
• 2973[19:18:53] <Sakarah> Yes it does
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• 2975[19:19:01] <Tenkawa> Intriguing
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• 2977[19:19:41] <Tenkawa> Trying to think about when mine was acting like that
• 2978[19:19:49] <Tenkawa> Been too long though
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• 2982[19:21:05] <Tenkawa> does syslog show anything helpful
• 2983[19:21:05] <Brigo> discovered, /var/log/boot.log, i think
• 2984[19:21:46] <Brigo> Sakarah, it poweroff and came back from disk invernation without a full boot?
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• 2986[19:22:44] <Sakarah> Yes the resume part works and I don't have to boot
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• 2988[19:22:56] <Walakea> jhutchins_wk: Asus X555LB should be it (also F555LB but they are the same)
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• 2994[19:23:20] <Walakea> it has integrated intel gpu and dedicated nvidia
• 2995[19:23:23] <Sakarah> syslog gives: "hibernate.target: Job hibernate.target/start failed with result 'dependency'.:
• 2996[19:23:25] <Brigo> Sakarah, then you are doing a hybrid-sleep
• 2997[19:24:11] <Walakea> i found many solutions suggesting acpi GRUB parameters and some suggesting creating xorg.conf files
• 2998[19:24:12] <Sakarah> Brigo: The command used is "systemctl hibernate"
• 2999[19:24:38] <discovered1> Brigo, No such file or directory
• 3000[19:24:43] <Brigo> Sakarah, ok, then something weird is happening with your system.
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• 3002[19:25:04] <Walakea> i tried some of them but i also combined them
• 3003[19:25:12] <Brigo> discovered1, and just /var/log/boot?
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• 3005[19:25:42] <Brigo> discovered1, anyway the information should be in /var/log/system.log and in the journald if you are using systemd
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• 3009[19:27:53] <jhutchins_wk> discovered1: dmesg and the systemd journal will have most of the boot info. Bootlog is not enabled by default.
• 3010[19:27:57] <jhutchins_wk> !bootlog
• 3011[19:27:57] <dpkg> bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable.
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• 3017[19:30:39] <discovered1> jhutchins_wk, i need to journalctl command?
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• 3020[19:32:27] <Sakarah> If you want my complete logs for hibernation : replaced-url
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• 3023[19:33:09] <Sakarah> But I see nothing helpful in it
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• 3046[19:43:55] <asperon> hi, is there a way to tell stretch to user libfuse1 for libfuse0 dependencies?
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• 3048[19:47:05] <tw> I don't think stretch ships either of those, just libfuse2.
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• 3050[19:47:40] <asperon> tw: my system has libfuse1, question still stands, can i tell stretch to use libfuse2 for libfuse0 calls?
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• 3053[19:47:58] <greycat> No.
• 3054[19:48:18] <greycat> If you could do that, libraries wouldn't have version numbers on them.
• 3055[19:48:52] <abrotman> I mean, you can try .. bad things may happen
• 3056[19:48:57] <asperon> greycat: i read that libfuse1 was 100% backwards compatile with libfuse0, or atleast thats what i gathered from the mailing list post when it was added
• 3057[19:48:59] <abrotman> s/may/will likely/
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• 3060[19:49:33] <greycat> Well, if you want to TRY, then create the symlink and sacrifice whatever it is you sacrifice to the gods.
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• 3062[19:49:46] <abrotman> I recommend twinkies
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• 3065[19:50:08] <asperon> ok, ill just try to compile it then, or perhaps easier, use another box with a older debian
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• 3067[19:50:33] <abrotman> just try a symlink .. it may work
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• 3069[19:50:36] <greycat> Or just install the old libfuse1 or libfuse0 package *from* the older Debian...
• 3070[19:50:41] <abrotman> if it doesn't, you just remove it
• 3071[19:50:53] <asperon> greycat: i can do that?
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• 3075[19:50:58] <asperon> ill try that first then :)
• 3076[19:50:59] <abrotman> you can try it
• 3077[19:51:00] <greycat> In many cases, yeah.
• 3078[19:51:37] <greycat> It can get ugly if you have libraries depending on other libraries.
• 3079[19:51:51] <abrotman> judd: versions libfuse0
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• 3081[19:51:52] <judd> No package named 'libfuse0' was found in amd64.
• 3082[19:51:59] <abrotman> that's a good sign ...
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• 3085[19:52:25] <asperon> libconfuse0
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• 3087[19:52:43] <asperon> would i be better of grabbing it from sid or jessie?
• 3088[19:52:50] <abrotman> judd: versions libconfuse0
• 3089[19:52:51] <judd> Package: libconfuse0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7-4; jessie: 2.7-5
• 3090[19:52:56] <abrotman> it's not in sid
• 3091[19:53:03] <abrotman> not as a package anyway
• 3092[19:53:14] <asperon> maybe its a backport? replaced-url
• 3093[19:53:29] <abrotman> debports?
• 3094[19:53:34] <asperon> yes
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• 3097[19:53:40] <abrotman> doesn't count
• 3098[19:54:10] <abrotman> you weren't planning to compile from source packages?
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• 3100[19:54:39] <asperon> thats my second or third option :)
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• 3105[19:55:17] <asperon> looks like it in turn depends on libconfuse-common so i don't think installing it will work
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• 3107[19:55:39] <asperon> ill try to compile it and see if that works
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• 3111[19:56:36] <ebol4> I just re-installed debian (jessie) on a dell poweredge 1435 (like 9 years old), and I can't boot to it, nor can I boot to a debian 9 live CD
• 3112[19:56:44] <ebol4> I get the same error messages as in this forum post: replaced-url
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• 3114[19:56:56] <ebol4> I've replaced the hard drives and the sata cables several times
• 3115[19:57:07] <ebol4> would that maybe indicate a problem with the SATA controller?
• 3116[19:57:22] <abrotman> I'd probably look for a BIOS/firmware update CD
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• 3118[19:57:33] <ebol4> BIOS is up-to-date, i had the same thought
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• 3127[20:02:14] <lle> /whois lle
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• 3129[20:02:30] <lle> oups...
• 3130[20:02:35] <lle> helloes :)
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• 3132[20:03:57] <Brigo> ebol4, probably the controller. Is there only one controller?
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• 3136[20:04:27] <asperon> this is what libconfuse dir looks like on my box, doesn't that mean i have libconfuse0 already? can i tell apt to just install and ignore the dependency? replaced-url
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• 3144[20:07:21] <asperon> nm, that was the bad install atempt
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• 3150[20:10:01] <ebol4> Brigo: yep, it's just two SATA ports right on the mobo
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• 3155[20:10:29] <Brigo> ebol4, two SATA ports one controller then, i guess.
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• 3173[20:17:02] <La> hola?
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• 3201[20:30:06] <lero> hey, are the samba packages u7 broken for jessie?
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• 3203[20:30:18] <lero> or the security mirror
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• 3205[20:30:35] <greycat> Yes. The samba security update is slightly broken. Wait for the next one.
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• 3207[20:30:41] <lero> cool, thanks
• 3208[20:30:46] <lero> just noticed on one box
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• 3230[20:40:35] <packet> hi'
• 3231[20:40:37] <packet> the system needs extra storage under /data. the disk /dev/xvdb has been allocated by the storage admin. take all necessary steps to make this storage permanently available at /data, and ensure the future extensibility of /data (ie. further storage must be attachable to /data without any downtime whatsoever).
• 3232[20:41:01] <packet> kinda stumped
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• 3234[20:41:27] <greycat> packet: Are you quoting something, or is that your question?
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• 3236[20:42:01] <packet> ive been given a server
• 3237[20:42:10] <packet> and i have to follow that
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• 3239[20:42:17] <packet> and im a bit stumped as to how
• 3240[20:42:21] <packet> @ greycat
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• 3242[20:42:40] <greycat> So you're quoting something. What is your QUESTION? How do increase the allocation of disk space on an LVM system? *Is* it an LVM system?
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• 3245[20:42:55] <packet> yes quote
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• 3247[20:43:18] <mutante> hint: "permanently" is the keyword.. like "even after rebooting"
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• 3253[20:43:45] <raktajino> packet: what is your question
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• 3255[20:43:59] <packet> raktajino,
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• 3257[20:44:11] <greycat> Ah. Googling /dev/xvdb gives me results that say AWS>
• 3258[20:44:23] <greycat> So this is commercial Amazon bullshit.
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• 3260[20:44:40] <greycat> Try ##aws
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• 3262[20:45:05] <packet> how do i reallocate storage storage permanently
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• 3264[20:45:11] <greycat> Ask ##aws
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• 3266[20:45:39] <packet> i can
• 3267[20:45:42] <packet> its not aws tho
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• 3271[20:47:10] <greycat> What version of Debian is it? How did you install? Are you using LVM?
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• 3277[20:49:24] <packet> @ greycat
• 3278[20:49:25] <packet> Linux pandora 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 3282[20:49:31] <packet> i didnt install the os
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• 3286[20:49:40] <packet> i was just given the ssh and .pem
• 3287[20:49:58] <greycat> Try running vgdisplay, as root.
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• 3289[20:50:40] <packet> no volume groups found
• 3290[20:50:47] <debianbob> Is here someone having also problems with defective packages libpam-systemd systemd-sysv? apt-get -f install recommends removing important packages.
• 3291[20:50:54] <greycat> Then I truly have NO IDEA what you are asking or how to help you.
• 3292[20:51:39] <packet> lol
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• 3295[20:52:07] <Mikjaer> How do i become a debian-maintainer for my own software?
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• 3304[20:54:49] <packet> greycat, i want to aggregate
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• 3312[20:57:21] <jhutchins_wk> ElTaco Miendo, 7hwy & Elm is the only thing reasonably close here, we don't even have a Taco Bell.
• 3313[20:57:44] <jhutchins_wk> If you go into Olathe there's a few, Bonito Michocan is always crammed, line too long for lunch.
• 3314[20:58:11] <jhutchins_wk> Right next door to K Macho (tex-mex glop).
• 3315[20:58:27] <debianbob> replaced-url
• 3316[20:59:01] <ebol4> /wc
• 3317[20:59:06] <ebol4> .... no one saw that
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• 3326[21:05:47] <jelly> packet, is this a school assignment? A test of some sort? Is there an existing filesystem mounted at /data mount point and present in /etc/fstab?
• 3327[21:06:07] <packet> this is for a job
• 3328[21:06:22] <packet> all the questions i have answered but this one
• 3329[21:06:42] <jelly> so it's a test
• 3330[21:06:44] <packet> yes
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• 3336[21:07:20] <kchr> greycat: actually, "xvdb" volumes are xen storage backends afaik
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• 3343[21:08:40] <jelly> packet, if you already have /data and files on it present, your options are limited. If not, you have two options: build a filesystem directly on /dev/xvdb, or set up LVM with /dev/xvdb as a LVM PV. The latter is slightly more flexible. The former requires _exactly_ the same disk to be extended for the filesystem to be extended.
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• 3345[21:09:00] <greycat> So if xvdb is a "disk", then partition it and decide whether to do LVM, and whether to do md-raid, etc.
• 3346[21:09:04] <jelly> packet, none of this, however, is really Debian-specific
• 3347[21:09:09] <packet> lol
• 3348[21:09:12] <packet> alright
• 3349[21:09:14] <jelly> no need to partition it
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• 3351[21:09:20] <packet> set up LVM with /dev/xvdb as a LVM PV
• 3352[21:09:24] <jelly> in fact, that makes things _worse_
• 3353[21:09:25] <packet> sounds like what i need to do
• 3354[21:09:43] <kchr> yup
• 3355[21:09:44] <packet> it seems extra and unnecessary
• 3356[21:09:53] <jhutchins_wk> packet: The bit about being able to extend it suggests they are looking for LVM, although it can be done without it.
• 3357[21:09:56] <jelly> use the disk _directly_, or use it as a PV
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• 3359[21:10:16] <jelly> partitions make linux kernel confused when disk is resized later
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• 3361[21:10:38] <jhutchins_wk> The other part is that you want to update the fstab and mount it through that (to test). That means it will mount at next boot.
• 3362[21:10:47] <greycat> Disks being resized sounds like some crazy Picasso-clock shit.
• 3363[21:11:07] <jelly> greycat, actually, it's SOP for SAN and virtualized env.
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• 3365[21:11:12] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Nope, some places do it all the time.
• 3366[21:11:15] <greycat> Sounds horrible.
• 3367[21:11:26] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, virtual storage.
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• 3370[21:11:43] <jelly> if being able to grow things online with no downtime at all is horrible, then yes it's horrible
• 3371[21:11:47] <Ke> if you are talking about vms, you can make disk 16 fuzzybytes big and only use a part of it
• 3372[21:11:49] <jhutchins_wk> We have the bad habit of adding new VVols to the VG instead of increasing the disk size.
• 3373[21:11:59] <Ke> that awy kernel always sees a fixed size disk
• 3374[21:12:01] <jelly> jhutchins_wk, that's just old school
• 3375[21:12:21] <Ke> same can be done with physical memory and ballooning
• 3376[21:13:04] <jelly> jhutchins_wk, if you were on kernel 2.4 or vxfs or an old unix like hpux or solaris, that might be the only way to grow
• 3377[21:13:13] <jhutchins_wk> With oversubscription you can delay your physical provisioning until you actually need the space, which usually saves money as prices fall.
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• 3379[21:13:50] <packet> this is plauging me
• 3380[21:13:52] <packet> lol
• 3381[21:14:21] <jelly> no, this is easy. Adding SAN and multipath to the mix would be more scary
• 3382[21:14:51] <jelly> if you know how to set up lvm, just do that
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• 3384[21:15:28] <jelly> if you don't know, hand holding for a job interview is $100/hr
• 3385[21:16:15] <pie3> need help on vbox; anyone can?
• 3386[21:16:33] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: Yes, anyone's pretty good at it.
• 3387[21:16:36] <jelly> of course the next question they're going to ask is "here, we added more space, now grow your fs online"
• 3388[21:16:44] <raktajino> jelly: that's awfully cheap, love yourself and value your time friend
• 3389[21:17:00] <jhutchins_wk> raktajino: He's being kind.
• 3390[21:17:04] <jelly> nod
• 3391[21:17:05] <raktajino> Lol
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• 3395[21:20:13] * jelly wonders if raktajino has PruneJuice in the friend list
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• 3399[21:21:20] <raktajino> I confess I do not
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• 3409[21:24:33] <x35b35> was libgnutls30 just removed from jessie?
• 3410[21:25:11] <greycat> ,v libgnutls30
• 3411[21:25:12] <judd> Package: libgnutls30 on amd64 -- stretch: 3.5.8-5; stretch-proposed-updates: 3.5.8-5+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.5.8-5+deb9u1; sid: 3.5.14-2; buster: 3.5.14-2
• 3412[21:25:28] <greycat> looks more like it was never there to begin with
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• 3414[21:26:23] <x35b35> samba-libs under jessie is reporting to depend on libgnutls30, idk if this is a samba pkg issue or libgnutls30 was yanked
• 3415[21:26:36] <greycat> The recent samba update is slightly broken. Wait for the next one.
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• 3417[21:26:47] <x35b35> shapow thank you!
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• 3422[21:28:48] <jhutchins_wk> !ask
• 3423[21:28:48] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 3424[21:29:06] <jhutchins_wk> !vbox
• 3425[21:29:06] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see replaced-url
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• 3436[21:35:26] <pie3> any board where wifi programming is possible?
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• 3449[21:44:34] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: Your question doesn't make sense. Please try to use complete sentences.
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• 3452[21:44:59] <pie3> i want to a progam a chip/board over wifi jhutchins_wk
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• 3454[21:45:34] <greycat> not seeing how Debian comes into this question
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• 3460[21:47:27] <izzyb> pie3, more details needed
• 3461[21:49:16] <discovered> I am getting these firmware loading error: replaced-url
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• 3464[21:50:00] <greycat> I don't think Debian has firmware for ath10k stuff.
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• 3466[21:50:19] <greycat> ,file pre-cal-pci-0000:05:00.0.bin
• 3467[21:50:23] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 3468[21:50:32] <greycat> !ath10k
• 3469[21:50:32] <dpkg> ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required and not currently packaged (bug #724970), ask me about <ath10k firmware>. replaced-url
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• 3472[21:51:13] <discovered> I have to install manually ?
• 3473[21:51:44] <greycat> !ath10k firmware
• 3474[21:51:44] <dpkg> Firmware required by the <ath10k> driver is currently not available from the <linux-firmware> repository. See replaced-url
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• 3477[21:54:03] <SReject> (Asking for a friend) He has an SSH-accessible account to a debian 9 box. He's wondering if/how to install wine without access to sudo
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• 3479[21:54:26] <SReject> account on*
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• 3481[21:54:35] <greycat> running GUI windows apps in wine over ssh ...?
• 3482[21:54:36] <izzyb> anyone know how I can get email delivered to msg.xxxx files by procmail redelivered into maildir folder?
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• 3486[21:55:06] <greycat> izzyb: maybe use the safecat package
• 3487[21:55:43] <izzyb> greycat, googling...
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• 3490[21:56:36] <greycat> ,info safecat
• 3491[21:56:37] <judd> Package safecat (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: Safely copy stdin to a file. Version: 1.13-3+b1; Size: 19.2k; Installed: 52k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 3492[21:57:02] <greycat> Bah, stupid description. Goes hand in hand with the stupid maintainer who doesn't even install the maildir program and man page.
• 3493[21:57:05] <SReject> greycat, thats his intent, yea...
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• 3495[21:58:04] <greycat> I gave up trying to provide fixed versions of safecat. In the long run you're better off just installing maildir yourself in /usr/local/bin.
• 3496[21:58:22] <greycat> Not because that's the right answer, but because it's less WORK.
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• 3501[22:01:35] <Antares> Всем спокойной ночи!
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• 3505[22:04:02] <izzyb> greycat - thanks. Think that's doing what I need :)
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• 3535[22:13:04] <x35b35> greycat: thanks again on smb being broken, found a bug report for it already today replaced-url
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• 3546[22:16:45] <discovered1> ifconfig command missing ?
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• 3548[22:16:59] <greycat> !net-tools
• 3549[22:16:59] <dpkg> The net-tools package (including ifconfig, netstat and route commands) is optional in stretch. Users are encouraged to use the iproute2 command set (ip, ss) instead.
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• 3604[22:47:19] <x35b35> the samba-libs libgnutls30 dep problem seems to have just been fixed: samba-libs 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u7+b1
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• 3606[22:47:57] <sebus> Howdy, I've picked up recently via epia-px mainboard (VIA C7@1GHz/1GB RAM/80GB ATA hdd) and tried to install debian on it, but... it hangs with message [ 2.683759] microcode: no support for this CPU vendor ... Does have any idea how to fix this thing?
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• 3608[22:49:42] <greycat> Interesting. The samba update has a changelog.Debian.amd64.gz file.
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• 3610[22:49:56] <alekz> Hi there! I just installed Stretch on a virtual machine, but I'm having issues while tryinf to install VBOX Guest Additions, since the installer says I don't have the kernel headers installed, but I do. Here's some info: replaced-url
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• 3615[22:53:41] <x35b35> alekz: not sure if its the issue or not but try vbox 5.1.22 vs your 4.3.36 which is old
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• 3617[22:53:48] <jmcnaught> alekz: you can install the headers package that matches your kernel architecture with: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
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• 3619[22:54:22] <jmcnaught> or you can run the uname command inside the $() and see what it outputs (probably amd64) and append that to linux-headers-
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• 3621[22:54:37] <kion> how can I see what cron jobs my system has configured?
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• 3625[22:55:26] <greycat> kion: /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d and /etc/cron.daily and /var/spool/cron/crontabs
• 3626[22:56:18] <alekz> jmcnaught: actually that is the way I installed the headers
• 3627[22:56:36] <jmcnaught> kion: there are also systemd .timer units now "systemctl list-units -t timer"
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• 3629[22:56:53] <greycat> But nobody would ever use those on purpose, so they don't count.
• 3630[22:57:01] <kion> jmcnaught, thanks!
• 3631[22:57:02] <alekz> x35b35: problem is I don't have superuser access to the host machine, it's a old ubuntu 14.04.5 and that's the VBox version
• 3632[22:57:04] <jmcnaught> alekz: what was the output of the command(s) that you used? Please use replaced-url
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• 3635[22:57:23] <x35b35> alekz: gotcha
• 3636[22:57:46] <kion> greycat, why would nobody ever use those?
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• 3638[22:58:16] <greycat> Because using optional systemd components is insane.
• 3639[22:59:04] <jmcnaught> greycat: well, the apt package installs apt-daily.upgrade.{timer,service}, and also /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat (which checks for systemd running and exits)
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• 3641[22:59:29] <jmcnaught> timer units are part of systemd's core
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• 3643[22:59:45] <greycat> As long as I don't touch them, I'm safe, right?
• 3644[22:59:59] <alekz> jmcnaught: here is the output: replaced-url
• 3645[23:00:48] <digitalboy> Hi guys, I was wondering if, like Debian 8, there is a Debian 9CD ISO (not netinst) without a Desktop Environment, all I can see from the mirros is "debian-9.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" but not something like "debian-9.0.0-amd64-CD-1.iso". Am I missing something? Thank you
• 3646[23:00:49] <jmcnaught> greycat: well, that timer/service unit in particular does automatic upgrades if the unattended-upgrades package is installed (which is a recommend of some gnome dependency) which was a fun surprise
• 3647[23:01:04] <jdsc> digitalboy: there's a netinst
• 3648[23:01:31] <jmcnaught> alekz: look at line 34 of your paste link
• 3649[23:01:32] <jdsc> digitalboy: replaced-url
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• 3651[23:01:44] <greycat> Ah, gnome. Another thing no sane person would knowingly use, but... too bad most users are not knowing. :(
• 3652[23:01:50] <digitalboy> jdsc: Thank you for your reply but I would rather use an offline install media
• 3653[23:02:03] <jdsc> digitalboy oh shoot, didn't read well
• 3654[23:02:07] <x35b35> alekz: cat /var/log/vboxadd-install.log
• 3655[23:02:10] <digitalboy> jdsc: No problem :)
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• 3657[23:03:06] <alekz> jmcnaught x35b35 same log as in the first paste, someone from #vbox already said me that guest additions version is not compatible with the kernel
• 3658[23:03:26] <alekz> so I'll try to make that vbox upgrade possible
• 3659[23:03:26] <jdsc> digitalboy: i wonder if there's an option with that CD image to not install xfce
• 3660[23:03:35] <jdsc> digitalboy: sorry, that's a lame answer, but I can't find one either
• 3661[23:03:40] <x35b35> alekz: makes sense. you have sudo access but cant install a newer vbox version?
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• 3663[23:04:25] <jdsc> x35b35: sudo access to the guest
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• 3665[23:04:42] <x35b35> ha srry its friday :/
• 3666[23:04:56] <alekz> hehe
• 3667[23:05:05] <alekz> no worries
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• 3669[23:05:11] <alekz> I'll talk to host's sysadmin
• 3670[23:05:28] <jdsc> i've been following along and I've got nothing to suggest, so your friday > mine :)
• 3671[23:05:47] <digitalboy> jdsc: That would be an option :) Nonetheless I'm trying to understand why there isn't one already, maybe it is too early?
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• 3674[23:06:41] <jdsc> digitalboy: got no clue, really. the DVD images don't have a desktop environment specified, so that could be worth a try as well
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• 3683[23:09:43] <drith> ok debian9 is not so great
• 3684[23:09:47] <x35b35> alekz: you can sometimes get away with having a newer version of guest additions in a guest, however i tend to think the jump from 4.3 to 5.1 is too big. its worth a shot tho, either it compiles or it doesnt
• 3685[23:09:48] <drith> a lot of changes
• 3686[23:09:56] <drith> any one
• 3687[23:09:57] <drith> here
• 3688[23:10:17] <ryouma> people are here. list them explicitly, please.
• 3689[23:10:19] <drith> with gtx 10x have segfaults on gnome sessions ?
• 3690[23:10:49] <drith> needed to revert nvidia crap and reintsall it
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• 3692[23:10:57] <drith> i blame them
• 3693[23:11:09] <drith> but need feedback to report
• 3694[23:11:22] <drith> the interesting part is
• 3695[23:11:25] <drith> no changes
• 3696[23:11:37] <drith> dual boot win 8.1 and debian 9
• 3697[23:11:52] <drith> and it refuses to do gdm crap
• 3698[23:12:10] <drith> segfault in gtklib
• 3699[23:12:17] <drith> reinstall did it
• 3700[23:12:22] <drith> but is strange
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• 3702[23:12:50] <drith> i am using it from etch
• 3703[23:12:58] <alekz> x35b35: yeah, I thought that as well, but no worries, a phone called was made and I have root access to host =)
• 3704[23:12:58] <drith> no crap like that until now
• 3705[23:13:11] <drith> nice
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• 3707[23:15:18] <drith> anyone with gtx 10x has problems?
• 3708[23:15:37] <drith> nvidia drivers are to blame most probably
• 3709[23:15:41] <drith> need report
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• 3713[23:17:39] <VentGrey> When making the "copyright" file on a debian package what can I do if the original author does not provide an email?
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• 3715[23:18:14] <jmcnaught> drith: does the nouveau driver work properly? were the nvidia drivers installed using the Debian packages in non-free, or using the installer from the nvidia website?
• 3716[23:18:15] <x35b35> have a great weekend //beers
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• 3718[23:19:09] <VentGrey> Nouveau should work properly, not 100% power but it is decent enough
• 3719[23:19:16] <jmcnaught> VentGrey: if you are asking for a package that you hope to include in the Debian archive, then #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a great place to ask (not for packages that will not be submitted to Debian however)
• 3720[23:19:38] <VentGrey> Oh, I had no Idea D: sorry
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• 3722[23:20:36] <VentGrey> tho #debian-mentors is dead here
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• 3759[23:39:33] <larvallid> how do i shrink a partition that was created during installation using "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM"?
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• 3764[23:43:01] <VentGrey> You could do it from a live-usb/cd to prevent data loss while your Fs is mounted, if my memory is not wrong there must be a comand called "lvreduce"
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• 3768[23:44:49] <larvallid> VentGrey, i'm booted into a live system right now. yes, lvreduce is a command.
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• 3771[23:47:20] <larvallid> my goal is to have debian use half the disc, and the other half be unallocated space. i did some research and believe i need to reduce the size of 3 things: LUKS, LVM, and the partition.
• 3772[23:47:21] <drith> jmcnaught, they do not support 10x at least at this time
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• 3774[23:47:49] <drith> but will try latest builds
• 3775[23:47:53] <VentGrey> unmount the point you want umount -v /mnt/mrlarvallidmountpoint/
• 3776[23:48:01] <drith> i don;t wont to deal with that
• 3777[23:48:08] <drith> i need my machine
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• 3780[23:48:46] <drith> every time i reboot need to have hopes to boot in gdm
• 3781[23:48:51] <drith> that is crap
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• 3783[23:50:00] <larvallid> VentGrey, i'm in a live environment, so none of the hard drive partitions are mounted. also, the live environment doesn't have the passphrase and the main partition (/dev/sda3) is locked. should i unlock that?
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• 3787[23:51:15] <VentGrey> I don't know how to resize locked partitions or unmounted ones :7
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• 3795[23:52:29] <larvallid> VentGrey, yeah, in my original message i mentioned that the partition uses both LVM and LUKS encryption, which there seems to be no documentation on resizing
• 3796[23:53:36] <VentGrey> I noticed, neither Google nor DuckDuckgo are showing any successful attempts
• 3797[23:54:17] <phogg> larvallid: I imagine lvresize will cope with lvm encryption just fine. At what layer does LUKS apply? Raw disk before making PVs?
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• 3800[23:54:59] * phogg doesn't know anything about either but is prepared to bounce some theories around.
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• 3802[23:56:39] <larvallid> phogg, sorry, i'm not familiar with how the disk is set up. the only thing i can tell you is that i've selected this option during OS install: "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM". i can run commands to check, though.
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• 3808[23:58:23] <phogg> larvallid: Let me make sure I know what you have/want
• 3809[23:58:57] <phogg> larvallid: are your disks partitioned at all? Is there e.g. a sda1?
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• 3814[23:59:22] <larvallid> phogg, yes, i have /dev/sda1 through /dev/sda3
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