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• 3[00:00:32] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: if your motherboard supports SATA hotswap (most do!) then you should be able to power off, remove a disk, and boot it. then, with the system booted, plug the other disk back in. the kernel should notice it, re-add the raid partitions to their respective arrays, and rebuild the changed blocks.
• 4[00:01:05] <SlidingHorn> dominix: There is no "taking turns" here. Ask the question, and if anyone knows the answer, they'll respond :)
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• 6[00:01:31] <dominix> I need to sort a field that contain number and colon like "x:y:z" if I use -n it sort on x only, if I not use -n it sort 10 before 2 ...
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• 8[00:02:19] <dominix> how do I sort numerically on the whole "x:y:z"
• 9[00:03:03] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: theoretically you could also fail both PVs on a disk with the system on and yank the SATA cable
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• 11[00:03:13] <SerajewelKS> though that's a bit of an extreme test
• 12[00:03:35] <SerajewelKS> (this assumes you know which physical disk is which, so you don't yank the wrong cable...)
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• 15[00:04:41] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: don't be surprised if, after attaching the detached disk, you cat /proc/mdstat and see UU with no recovery progress bar. with a write-intent bitmap, the recovery is going to be very fast especially since you won't have written many blocks.
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• 22[00:09:42] <jmcnaught> dominix: did you try -V instead of -n (the version sort)?
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• 25[00:10:33] <dominix> thanks jmcnaught: I didn't know this option
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• 27[00:11:26] <dominix> it works well
• 28[00:11:29] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS replaced-url
• 29[00:11:47] <jmcnaught> dominix: nice
• 30[00:12:03] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: perfect. now, without powering down, you should be able to plug in the other disk and it should rebuild the changed blocks.
• 31[00:12:05] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Doesn't seem to be reassembling. It booted off of either drive alone which is very cool!
• 32[00:12:20] <GumShoe> They're both plugged in now
• 33[00:12:22] <dominix> do you know how to sort the same way with perl ?
• 34[00:12:36] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: waaaaait
• 35[00:12:43] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you booted from one drive then shut down and booted from the other
• 36[00:12:45] <SerajewelKS> ?
• 37[00:13:04] <SerajewelKS> tell me you didn't do that
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• 41[00:14:03] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS I can't tell you that.
• 42[00:14:07] <SerajewelKS> fuck man
• 43[00:14:11] <SerajewelKS> you desynced the array
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• 45[00:14:49] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS booting from either drive was the test and goal of this confg... ??
• 46[00:15:15] <SerajewelKS> yes but you have to resync the array in between those steps
• 47[00:15:28] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS You wanted me to do a hot swap I guess...
• 48[00:15:32] <SerajewelKS> boot from disk A by itself. re-attach disk B, let it resync.
• 49[00:15:40] <SerajewelKS> boot drom disk B by itself. re-attach disk A, let it resync.
• 50[00:15:50] <SerajewelKS> you didn't re-attach the disk between booting from A and B
• 51[00:15:54] <SerajewelKS> so you desynced the array
• 52[00:16:17] <SerajewelKS> it's fixable, give me a moment to remember how to force a resync
• 53[00:16:44] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS On my fedora fc.22 the sync auto starts....
• 54[00:17:03] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: yes but you never gave it a chance to sync
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• 56[00:17:10] <SerajewelKS> you booted from A, then shut down and booted from B
• 57[00:17:20] <SerajewelKS> this means the system wrote to A. then it booted B and wrote _different_ stuff to B.
• 58[00:17:30] <SerajewelKS> the state of the disks diverged; the arrays desynced
• 59[00:17:41] <SerajewelKS> they now contain _different_ and _incompatible_ filesystem changes
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• 61[00:18:00] <SerajewelKS> after booting from only A, you needed to re-add B and let the array sync _before_ trying to boot from only B
• 62[00:18:35] <GumShoe> sadness :-(
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• 64[00:18:58] <GumShoe> Can I reassemble the array
• 65[00:19:13] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: my guess is that the kernel figured out that this is what happened and so it's refusing to sync by itself. show me: lsblk; mdadm --detail /dev/md0 /dev/md1
• 66[00:19:31] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: yes but we're going to have to force a _full_ resync now, to overwrite one of the copies with the other
• 67[00:19:38] <SerajewelKS> they can't be reconciled anymore
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• 72[00:21:10] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS replaced-url
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• 74[00:21:47] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: oh this is interesting. it took /boot from one disk but the LVM PV from the other. i wonder why it did that... it's not a problem, but it's strange.
• 75[00:22:25] <SerajewelKS> okay so... we need to clobber the raid information from the disks that aren't present. if you see here, sdb2 is the active disk for /boot and sda3 is the active disk for the LVM.
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• 77[00:22:43] <SerajewelKS> so: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda2 && mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb3
• 78[00:22:53] <SerajewelKS> this will destroy the raid metadata on the two partitions that we need to fully resync
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• 90[00:25:35] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS mdadm didn't complain
• 91[00:25:50] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: good. now, let's resync /boot first since that should go quickly: mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda2 && mdadm --detail /dev/md0
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• 94[00:28:15] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS That worked. It's already assembled UU replaced-url
• 95[00:28:30] <SerajewelKS> nice
• 96[00:28:49] <SerajewelKS> okay, now the other: mdadm --manage /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdb3 && mdadm --detail /dev/md1 && cat /proc/mdstat
• 97[00:29:18] <SerajewelKS> we specifically do want this to take a long time. if it goes too quickly, that means it's using the write-intent bitmap and that's what we don't want.
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• 99[00:32:06] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: you can "watch cat /proc/mdstat" to monitor mdstat every two seconds
• 100[00:32:06] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS 32545.0min to go. Anything to speed it up other than increasing dev.raid.speed_limit_max = 200000
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• 102[00:32:39] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: nope, but the system should be usable while it syncs. note that the initial raid setup would have done a full sync as well.
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• 106[00:33:14] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: note that you can safely reboot and the resync will continue from where it left off
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• 110[00:34:02] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Should be done about midnight MST
• 111[00:34:03] <SerajewelKS> obviously you don't have redundancy until the resync completes, but otherwise you can continue to use the system as normal
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• 113[00:34:33] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Well the next thing I would do is start adding packages galore...
• 114[00:34:40] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: yep, feel free
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• 117[00:34:57] <SerajewelKS> and next time you test this, make sure you resync between checking each disk :P
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• 119[00:35:19] <SerajewelKS> i gotta get home for dinner
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• 121[00:35:35] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Is that better accomplished with apt-get groupinstall or with tasksel install xxxxx
• 122[00:35:42] <SerajewelKS> at this point you're pretty much done with the install, now you can start setting the system up for what you want to do with it
• 123[00:35:46] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: that's up to you
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• 126[00:36:00] <SerajewelKS> personally, i prefer installing individual packages
• 127[00:36:14] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Before you get away...
• 128[00:36:29] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Thank you for last night and this afternoon. Very much!
• 129[00:36:43] <SerajewelKS> no problem, i like tinkering with this stuff
• 130[00:36:57] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Is it ok to add packages during the sync?
• 131[00:37:03] <SerajewelKS> good luck with your system. if you hilight me in this channel and i don't respond, feel free to PM me so i remember to reply.
• 132[00:37:14] <SerajewelKS> yes, it's fine. the system should be 100% working at this point.
• 133[00:37:20] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS I'm much more comfortable with LVM now - and liking it.
• 134[00:37:42] <SerajewelKS> the only "problem" is that your raid isn't redundant until the resync completes. e.g. if sdb dies then the system is gone.
• 135[00:38:04] <SerajewelKS> everything else should work just fine, though it may be a bit slow as the resync is stealing iops
• 136[00:38:08] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS I know how to reinstall it now! :-)
• 137[00:38:13] <SerajewelKS> :)
• 138[00:38:26] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS 'night
• 139[00:38:41] <SerajewelKS> basically, everything should work functionally. but performance may be slightly worse until the resync completes.
• 140[00:38:44] <SerajewelKS> night!
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• 147[00:44:38] <RonWhoCares> When I do sudo apt install php-devel I am getting the error unable to locate package
• 148[00:45:32] <LtL> RonWhoCares: it's php-dev
• 149[00:45:37] <RonWhoCares> ahh
• 150[00:45:44] <RonWhoCares> Bother
• 151[00:45:50] <RonWhoCares> the people at ##php told me to come here
• 152[00:46:01] <RonWhoCares> I'm playing the IRC ping pong
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• 166[00:54:58] <SlidingHorn> RonWhoCares: LtL was telling you the name of the package, not to go elsewhere :)
• 167[00:55:08] <RonWhoCares> oh
• 168[00:55:12] <RonWhoCares> I am sorry
• 169[00:55:15] <RonWhoCares> I am physically tired
• 170[00:55:16] <SlidingHorn> no worries :)
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• 191[01:05:06] <ellyacht> when I boot to command line to adjust some settings, how do I boot into desktop from that command line without having to reboot?
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• 193[01:07:00] <Tom-_> just exit
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• 195[01:08:08] <agio> hi,does anyone know how to specify the keysequence <ctrl + LEFT> in an aptitude config file. i.e. I am trying to set a custom binding for aptitude in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/mykeymap , and I did this:
• 196[01:08:13] <agio> Aptitude::UI::Keybindings "CyclePrev" ^[[1;5D;
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• 198[01:08:41] <Tom-_> ellyacht, that line was for you
• 199[01:08:42] <agio> but aptitude rejects the sequence ^[[1;5D
• 200[01:09:14] <GumShoe> Whoze ready to rumble? which display manager gdm3 lightdm or sddm
• 201[01:09:20] <ellyacht> Tom-_: lol ty I'll see if that works
• 202[01:11:33] <ellyacht> that just freezes and it shows ---[ end trace 9755fhdjd ]---
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• 204[01:13:01] <Tom-_> hmm it used to work on sysvinit
• 205[01:13:19] <ellyacht> Im Running Gnome desktop if that matters.
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• 209[01:14:35] <ellyacht> I'm trying to use init=/bin/bash rw which works and I use passwd to change root, but if I were to reboot well than I'd be right back where I started. get what I'm saying?
• 210[01:15:09] <Tom-_> ah i thought you were using 'System recovery' mode
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• 212[01:15:24] <Tom-_> i guess you'll have to use systemd
• 213[01:15:30] <Tom-_> but you can try "exec init"
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• 216[01:17:51] <ellyacht> I'm curious would this work 'echo "exec gnome-session" > ~/.xinitrc'
• 217[01:18:13] <Tom-_> yeah maybe
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• 219[01:18:48] <ellyacht> systemd? hows that work?
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• 222[01:20:03] <Tom-_> it's just the default init system in debian nowadays
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• 226[01:20:30] <Tom-_> if you run init=/bin/sh then you're not using it. to boot your system after using that you have to run exec init or some other init program
• 227[01:20:56] <ellyacht> nevermind don't answer that lol
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• 230[01:22:00] <ellyacht> so I just did 'gnome-session' out of curiosity, and I got Gtk-warning **: cannot open display :
• 231[01:22:50] <ellyacht> did you see my thing about gnome-session?
• 232[01:24:03] <jim> ellyacht, what happens when you run: echo $DISPLAY ?
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• 234[01:25:10] <ellyacht> OK one second I'll try
• 235[01:25:16] <jim> I'm thinking maybe your DISPLAY variable isn't set
• 236[01:25:49] <ellyacht> I got it
• 237[01:26:08] <ellyacht> Tom-_: was right
• 238[01:26:15] <jim> was it a blank line? or did you get something like :0?
• 239[01:27:00] <ellyacht> I did init=/bin/bash made my necessary changes and then just did exec init
• 240[01:27:10] <ellyacht> thank you guys
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• 242[01:27:26] <jim> ok, and that might have started your display
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• 251[01:33:34] <agio> has anyone here made entries in apt's config files?
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• 258[01:38:22] <jim> agio, I started running a debian package cache, and I had to put something in one of the apt config files to point at the IP of the apt-cacher
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• 261[01:38:43] <jim> (I didn't learn it in general though)
• 262[01:39:27] <agio> jim: yeah, im putting entries in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ aand they are not taking effer
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• 264[01:39:32] <agio> effect
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• 266[01:40:18] <jim> ok, I'm not generally versed in apt configuration...
• 267[01:40:25] <jim> what dist are you running?
• 268[01:40:50] <agio> you are lucky - apt configuration is difficutlt
• 269[01:40:54] <agio> debiuan
• 270[01:40:56] <agio> debian
• 271[01:41:06] <jim> which version of debian?
• 272[01:41:34] <agio> well im maintaining a few systems mostly debian and some ubuntu
• 273[01:41:40] <agio> stretch
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• 275[01:41:59] <agio> apt has a whole special syntax
• 276[01:42:25] <jim> agio, ok, so the debian you altered the configs of is a debian stretch?
• 277[01:42:36] <agio> yes
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• 282[01:44:02] <jim> ok, -maybe- the best place for you to ask about apt config for that, is, there's a channel here, #debian and someone there should be able to help you (for sure better than I can :)
• 283[01:44:40] <agio> this is #debian ...
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• 289[01:49:24] <themill> agio: you probably need to say what you've tried, what happens, what makes you think it's not working etc
• 290[01:49:59] <agio> I tried adding the lines:
• 291[01:50:21] <agio> Aptitude::UI::Keybindings "CyclePrev" "C-h";
• 292[01:50:30] <agio> into the files:
• 293[01:50:45] <agio> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/keymaps
• 294[01:50:48] <agio> and then
• 295[01:50:59] <agio> /root/.aptitude/config
• 296[01:51:29] <agio> but when I start aptitude the keybindings dont take effect
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• 311[02:00:51] <themill> I would expect that Keybindings was a list not a single config value
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• 318[02:02:49] <prasket> I just updated a few day old install of Debian Stretch and now getting "user not in sudoers file" message after rebooting after update. Root account is disabled so wasnt able to fix via recovery root stuff. Any ideas other than wipe/reinstall? Also ideas on what could have happened?
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• 326[02:05:27] <t3st3r> prasket> you can try something like init=/bin/bash in kernel command line and then use passwd to set password, or whatever you like.
• 327[02:06:08] <t3st3r> usually requires physical access and ability to fiddle with boot loader and kernel command line
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• 329[02:06:52] <prasket> OK I do have access, its one of my notebooks in my lab.
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• 331[02:08:53] <agio> I got it working, damn that was hard!
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• 335[02:13:09] <agio> themill: you were right about the syntax being off
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• 349[02:19:07] <sparr> is there a log I can view or some other way I can see info about what happens when an hdmi cable is plugged in or unplugged
• 350[02:19:09] <sparr> ?
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• 357[02:23:22] <agio> sparr: try `udevadm monitor'
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• 359[02:23:50] <agio> or `tail -f ~/.local/share/xorg/xorg.log
• 360[02:25:30] <sparr> thanks. I'm trying to get two external monitors working with a laptop dock. when I plug in the second one (HDMI) the first one (miniDP) goes blank and disappears from xrandr --listmonitors. It's still listed on the full xrandr output, but trying to do `xrandr --output DP-1-2 --mode 2560x1440` errors out with
• 361[02:25:37] <sparr> "xrandr: Configure crtc 2 failed
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• 363[02:27:21] <friendofafriend> You may get some useful information from cec-client.
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• 366[02:27:43] <agio> or try using arandr
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• 370[02:28:44] <SlidingHorn> sparr: are you using debian or ubuntu? I see you're asking in both channels...it's recommended to stick with the channel for your actual distro
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• 380[02:37:50] <sparr> agio: arandr still calls xrandr behind the scenes and produces the same error. here'
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• 382[02:38:00] <sparr> sorry about the line breaks, getting used to a new keyboard
• 383[02:38:57] <agio> did udevadm monitor give you any useful info?
• 384[02:40:06] <sparr> friendofafriend: cec-client can't see anything, probably because both monitors appear as displayport devices (DP-_-_ in xrandr)
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• 389[02:41:53] <sparr> agio: sorry, missed that. replaced-url
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• 438[03:12:04] <SerajewelKS> GumShoe: one thing i forgot to mention is that debian will scrub your arrays every week by default. every sunday morning, IIRC.
• 439[03:12:14] <SerajewelKS> so you don't have to worry about doing it by hand
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• 490[03:42:24] <GumShoe> @SerajewelKS Roger that.
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• 605[05:22:26] <m_g_lewis> Why does my Debian 9.6 mount partitions on my second HDD in /media instead of in /mnt when the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard says /media is for removeable media like CDROMs?
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• 607[05:24:21] <dvs> m_g_lewis, why is it being mounted on /mnt? I thought that /mnt was user defined.
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• 611[05:25:07] <friendofafriend> It's automount doing it.
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• 614[05:26:58] <m_g_lewis> dvs: A partition on my second HDD gets mounted in /media instead of /mnt where temporarily mounted files systems should be mounted according to the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard ... replaced-url
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• 616[05:27:47] <m_g_lewis> Its a partition I use for backup purposes...
• 617[05:28:35] <m_g_lewis> Debian buries it in /media/root/Debian_Backup instead of /mnt/Debian_Backup...
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• 621[05:28:59] <dvs> m_g_lewis, As friendofafriend mentioned, /media is used by automount. I haven't had drives mounted on /mnt unless I manually specify it.
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• 623[05:29:33] <m_g_lewis> dvs: OK, I understnd now...thanks!
• 624[05:29:41] <dvs> np
• 625[05:29:51] <m_g_lewis> Thanks friendofafriend...
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• 632[05:34:14] <m_g_lewis> I guess my question would then be why doesn't automount follow the standard and mount it in /mnt since it is not removeable media and therefore should not be mounted in /media?
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• 636[05:35:57] <m_g_lewis> I just find it annoying to have a long path name for that partition...I guess I'll just have to mount it in fstab to mount at boot, right?
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• 638[05:37:29] <friendofafriend> You're welcome, m_g_lewis.
• 639[05:37:36] <friendofafriend> Yep, fstab is the way to go.
• 640[05:38:00] <dvs> yep
• 641[05:38:01] <friendofafriend> And if you're really crafty, you'll specify the partition with UUID from the "blkid" program.
• 642[05:38:10] <m_g_lewis> Thanks again...
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• 644[05:38:21] <m_g_lewis> Right...
• 645[05:38:23] <friendofafriend> Super welcome, m_g_lewis.
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• 647[05:38:36] * dvs shudders at udev
• 648[05:39:24] <friendofafriend> UUID is nice for if your drive letters get changed somehow. Maybe if you add drives later, that could happen.
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• 650[05:40:21] <bltzfsck> i've been reading the "Debian Handbook" to get reacquainted with things, and it seems pretty out of date
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• 652[05:40:45] <bltzfsck> is there a better general exposition of stretch?
• 653[05:40:46] <dvs> no surprise
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• 655[05:43:13] <bltzfsck> a lot of the networking stuff is deprecated. some of the info on environment
• 656[05:44:20] <agio> bltzfsck: there is debianhandbook and also debian-reference
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• 659[05:46:37] <bltzfsck> agio: i assumed the "reference" would be super detailed. is it up-to-date?
• 660[05:47:20] <agio> well, you said you wanted an "exposition"
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• 663[05:48:01] <agio> so I assumed you wanted a overview - details would fill a warehouse
• 664[05:48:10] <bltzfsck> right
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• 666[05:48:37] <bltzfsck> i'm really trying to get reacquainted after a long time
• 667[05:48:41] <agio> I haven't found too many issues with out of dateness
• 668[05:49:09] <bltzfsck> on the reference?
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• 670[05:49:25] <agio> yes - reference
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• 672[05:49:49] <bltzfsck> ok i''ll get it
• 673[05:50:17] <bltzfsck> been reading through and working the examples, and a lot of the stuff in the handbook is deprecated
• 674[05:51:39] <agio> well there is handbook + reference + policy + developer manuals + maintainer guide + wiki + install guide
• 675[05:51:59] <agio> + aptitude user-guide
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• 677[05:52:20] <bltzfsck> i just want to be an informed user
• 678[05:52:21] <agio> amongst them - there is usually something relevant
• 679[05:53:38] <octet> I am going to compile my own kernel. how can I ensure that it will have all of debians default menuconfig options, PLUS the config I enter?
• 680[05:54:20] <joepublic> your first run of make menuconfig, just save and exit. you will see a message about how it used defaults from (whatever kernel you are currently running)
• 681[05:54:38] <octet> okay, cool
• 682[05:55:36] <friendofafriend> Oh, you want the default kernel config?
• 683[05:55:56] <octet> I just want to ensure my new kernel will include everything I am currently using
• 684[05:56:35] <friendofafriend> Right! You'll find that in the /boot/ directory.
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• 686[05:57:27] <octet> yeah I saw that file, though i wasnt sure if it was easiest to just copy and paste stuff from there. I will try joepublic's method since it seems simple
• 687[05:58:04] <joepublic> it just makes you a .config based on the .config of the running kernel
• 688[05:58:24] <friendofafriend> Is that .config based on the running system, joepublic?
• 689[05:58:51] <friendofafriend> I know there was more commonly /proc/config.gz , which I guess is largely gone now.
• 690[05:59:05] <joepublic> depends on how you got the system running, I suppose. if you are booted from the kernel you most recently installed, then yes
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• 692[05:59:47] <friendofafriend> I guess you could check for differences with a diff .config /boot/config-`uname -r`
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• 743[06:23:31] <nekoseam> Is snes9x ever going to get re-added to debian?
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• 745[06:24:16] <c|oneman> what a strange question. Wouldn't it make more sense to use retroarch, which includes snes9x cores?
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• 748[06:24:57] <rant> nekoseam: you left before I looked into that the other day
• 749[06:25:06] <rant> nekoseam: did you look at the bugs I posted?
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• 751[06:25:10] <nekoseam> yeah I had to deal with something
• 752[06:25:15] <nekoseam> no I didn't
• 753[06:25:32] <rant> nekoseam: the last available package is on the archives and it installs cleanly into stretch with all deps satisfied
• 754[06:26:28] <rant> has to be the latest though as the 1.4x versions seem to have older glib and such deps
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• 756[06:26:39] <rant> the 1.5 though I tested myself
• 757[06:26:52] <rant> !snes9x
• 758[06:26:52] <dpkg> Snes9x is a portable, freeware Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) emulator. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #617588 (RFP version 1.53 filed as #643595). replaced-url
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• 765[06:31:23] <nekoseam> I guess higan is still in. RetroArch has always had a "blegh" interface to me.
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• 770[06:37:49] <octet> I like retroarch since it is an active project that is constantly improving
• 771[06:38:04] <octet> cant wait to see it ported to ps4
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• 780[06:53:01] <octet> after running the fakeroot line, it isnt moving. I wonder if it is actually compiling since it has been like this for 10mins. i7 cpu
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• 783[06:55:34] <SerajewelKS> octet: check top?
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• 785[06:55:51] <octet> yeah, cpu was around 6%. going to try it all again with a clean folder
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• 788[06:56:40] <octet> I had a ssl cert error when doing the fakeroot line, and was told to comment it out in my .config. upon resuming, it didnt move
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• 802[07:10:51] <octet> okay, made my own cert which should work
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• 845[07:49:06] <RonWhoCares> I am am having an issue with Nginx redirects from replaced-url
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• 864[08:10:25] <SlidingHorn> RonWhoCares: do you have an example of a path not being passed?
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• 867[08:10:52] <RonWhoCares> SlidingHorn: I put the web site back online. What is outputing is a standard "404" error page
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• 877[08:14:21] <RonWhoCares> SlidingHorn: Any thoughts
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• 936[08:50:26] <elwisp> i get this error running virt-manager on debians stretch: replaced-url
• 937[08:50:30] <elwisp> Works fine as root
• 938[08:50:37] <elwisp> Been trying to google but cannot find any info
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• 947[08:54:36] <fling> Is not there a deb for octoprint?
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• 1053[10:17:02] <pragomer> hi. can I force a program to start with a gtk2 environment (under gnome) instead of gtk3 ?
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• 1063[10:26:37] <petn-randall> pragomer: You will likely have to recompile it to work against gtk2, if that's even possible.
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• 1072[10:32:23] <pragomer> my question ist about: I am using the atom editor. it looks fine under debian xfce (which is gtk2 I think), but under gnome I have weird menu/color issues. so I thought if it would be possible to start atom in a gtk2 environment
• 1073[10:32:48] <toli> Hey, I was wondering if the IRC chat room here at freenode is the same as the debian irc server?
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• 1075[10:33:10] <xand> toli: not for a number of years.
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• 1083[10:40:05] <toli> xand: so the number of people here and at debian server are not the same?
• 1084[10:40:31] <xand> debian IRC server used to point at freenode but it changed to OFTC some years ago
• 1085[10:40:38] <xand> meanwhile this channel is ever more popular
• 1086[10:41:03] <toli> I see, thanks xand
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• 1091[10:49:16] <jelly> !irc move
• 1092[10:49:16] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
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• 1198[12:00:41] <AK> someone there to assist me on mutt setup? I need assistance with setting it up with my new mail account, I have been using it with gmail and other providers in past
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• 1220[12:10:57] <tvm> if you need help setting up mutt, you should probably consider using more straightforward email client, such as thunderbird
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• 1224[12:12:08] <tvm> otherwise all you need is to configure your ~/.muttrc correctly
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• 1228[12:13:34] <mad_monk> Any idea what is -c in the install command. The man install says -c (ignored)
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• 1230[12:14:34] <egy> some binaries are explicitly auto-completed (and hence executed) when using the root account. How do I make one of these binaries executed by an administrator ?
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• 1232[12:14:54] <egy> or even better: how do I install a package using apt **user-wide** ?
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• 1235[12:15:44] <xand> egy: you don't, apt is for system-wide things
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• 1239[12:16:23] <egy> oh
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• 1243[12:17:32] <egy> ok, so even with `sudo`, an admin can't find that program. At least, how do I make `sudo` see that program and execute it ?
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• 1245[12:17:59] <xand> if you installed it with apt then it would be found
• 1246[12:18:09] <xand> otherwise you need to put things in e.g. /usr/local/bin
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• 1248[12:18:25] <egy> yes it's installed with apt
• 1249[12:18:31] <egy> I'll symlink and see
• 1250[12:18:56] <xand> if it's installed with apt then no action is necessary
• 1251[12:19:04] <xand> unless the package is very badly made
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• 1253[12:21:16] <avu> mad_monk: things like this happen when some option gets removed but the command continues to accept it for backwards compatibility
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• 1265[12:26:47] <egy> xand: ok, I think all I needed was logging-out and in
• 1266[12:27:01] <egy> much appreciated!
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• 1272[12:30:49] <mad_monk> @avu - Thanks. The latest version of Nagios still uses it - so thought of clearing it
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• 1419[14:14:16] <voidnecron> Hi
• 1420[14:14:30] <voidnecron> I've just upgrade a box from jessie (8.11) to stretch (9.6)
• 1421[14:14:43] <voidnecron> All went ok, excerpt the kernel didn't upgrade, still 3.16
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• 1423[14:15:07] <voidnecron> I think it's the bootloeder because the image and headers are installed, but I can't find the loader
• 1424[14:15:07] <peterandre> apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 1426[14:15:15] <peterandre> is probably what you need ?
• 1427[14:15:51] <voidnecron> peterandre: Nope, all done (apt-get update && upgrade && dist-upgrade | change apt/sources.list to stretch, whole thing again)
• 1428[14:16:12] <peterandre> ok
• 1429[14:16:22] <peterandre> strange
• 1430[14:16:42] <voidnecron> as you can see from this dopkg -l they are both installed
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• 1432[14:16:54] <voidnecron> ii linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 3.16.51-2 amd64 Linux 3.16 for 64-bit PCs
• 1433[14:16:55] <voidnecron> ii linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 4.9.130-2 amd64 Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
• 1434[14:17:05] <voidnecron> However, it still only boots old kernel
• 1435[14:17:13] <xand> did you try the new one from the grub menu?
• 1436[14:17:14] <petn-randall> voidnecron: Can you share the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64' on replaced-url
• 1437[14:17:43] <voidnecron> xand: I don't think grub is installed (remote server in colo so no view)
• 1438[14:17:53] <voidnecron> /boot/grub is non existent, as is /etc/lilo
• 1439[14:18:04] <voidnecron> petn-randall: sure, one sec
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• 1441[14:18:56] <voidnecron> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 1442[14:19:25] <petn-randall> voidnecron: Is this a VPS?
• 1443[14:19:38] <voidnecron> Virtual box yeah
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• 1445[14:20:13] <voidnecron> Not a vps, its a virtual box on a private server in colo
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• 1448[14:20:36] <voidnecron> Based on xem if I recall correct
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• 1450[14:20:47] <voidnecron> Old admin didn't leave much docs :/
• 1451[14:20:49] <xand> you should have access to the console either way
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• 1453[14:20:52] <petn-randall> voidnecron: Might be that it boot its custom kernel.
• 1454[14:20:57] <petn-randall> *boots
• 1455[14:21:15] <voidnecron> petn-randall: how to make sure?
• 1456[14:21:22] <xand> if it's a container than it'll share the host's kernel
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• 1459[14:21:33] <petn-randall> voidnecron: Does /boot/grub/grub.cfg list the 4.9 kernel?
• 1460[14:21:37] <voidnecron> xand: aaah
• 1461[14:22:01] <voidnecron> petn-randall: there is no /boot/grub
• 1462[14:22:16] <voidnecron> As I mentioned, I don't know which boot loader is used.. not grub or Lilo
• 1463[14:22:17] <petn-randall> voidnecron: That might be your problem ....
• 1464[14:23:12] <voidnecron> How to figure out the current boot loader?
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• 1467[14:23:37] <voidnecron> Read some shit about dd the first couple of blocks, but is there a more noobish solution?
• 1468[14:23:40] <petn-randall> voidnecron: You'll have to figure out how the VM is booted. Likely it has a custom kernel to boot from outside of the VM.
• 1469[14:23:56] <voidnecron> Like xand mentioned, the host based kernel?
• 1470[14:24:18] <voidnecron> Crap, because that OS disk is full so I can't upgrade it atm...
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• 1479[14:32:04] <voidnecron> Thanks for the help guys
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• 1481[14:32:32] <hsab> slam alekom
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• 1501[14:40:05] <dreamer> hmm. since last week one of my stretch machines is very slow with some authentication processes. ssh and sudo take like 20-30 seconds to complete. instead of the regular <1 second. I have absolutely no idea what it could be. nothing clear in the logs
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• 1504[14:42:04] <xand> is DNS working properly?
• 1505[14:42:08] <dreamer> yes
• 1506[14:42:16] <dreamer> hmm, running some upgrades .. and now suddenly it's way faster. that's weird
• 1507[14:42:24] <dreamer> been banging my head on this for almost a week
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• 1511[14:43:35] <cryptodan> dreamer: how full is your drive, and have you ran fsck on it?
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• 1514[14:44:05] <dreamer> 20G of w
• 1515[14:44:10] <dreamer> with 4G free
• 1516[14:44:12] <dreamer> and no
• 1517[14:44:37] <dreamer> er. 25G actually (was reading wrong column hehe)
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• 1519[14:44:50] <cryptodan> dreamer: try running an fsck on the drive and see if the issue clears up, and if it doesn't create a new system user and see if you can sudo and ssh fine with that one
• 1520[14:45:17] <dreamer> cryptodan: well, as I just said I started running some updates. and now everything is what I'd expect. <1secs for auth
• 1521[14:45:33] <dreamer> still no clue what was going on of course ..
• 1522[14:45:39] <cryptodan> odd that it would slow you down
• 1523[14:45:52] <dreamer> apt was still in the unpacking phase
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• 1525[14:46:23] <dreamer> cryptodan: what do you mean with 'it' ?
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• 1529[14:48:51] <RandomSerb> how do I use apt to install package from specific branch of a repo, ie testing?
• 1530[14:48:53] <RandomSerb> replaced-url
• 1531[14:49:20] <RandomSerb> one liner option prefered, without making changes to apt.sources
• 1532[14:49:24] <RandomSerb> if possib;e
• 1533[14:50:21] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: It's neither possible that way, nor is it recommended.
• 1534[14:50:25] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
• 1535[14:50:25] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 1537[14:50:35] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: It's also not supported. ^^^
• 1538[14:50:52] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: However, if you tell us what your actual goal is, we might be able to help you with that.
• 1539[14:51:20] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: If you want to install "anbox" on stretch, it's already in stretch-backports.
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• 1541[14:52:35] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, yeah, i'm trying to instll anbox on stretch
• 1542[14:52:52] <RandomSerb> /s/instll/install
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• 1544[14:53:50] <petn-randall> ,v anbox
• 1545[14:53:51] <judd> Package: anbox on amd64 -- stretch-backports/contrib: 0.0~git20181014-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.0~git20181210-1; sid/contrib: 0.0~git20181210-1
• 1546[14:53:55] <petn-randall> !stretch-backports
• 1547[14:53:55] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
• 1548[14:54:12] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: ^^^ This here has instruction on how to enable stretch-backports.
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• 1550[14:54:55] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, apt-get -t stretch-backports install anbox is not preferred way?
• 1551[14:57:05] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: That will only work if you followed the instructions.
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• 1553[14:57:17] <RandomSerb> yeah, figured that by now. Thanks
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• 1558[14:59:03] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, still won't work. E: Unable to locate package anbox
• 1559[14:59:20] <RandomSerb> yes, I added stretch backports, and I did apt-get update
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• 1569[15:01:44] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: What is the output of `apt-get update`, and the output of `apt-cache policy`? -> replaced-url
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• 1628[15:31:11] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 1630[15:31:31] <RandomSerb> that's now. when I first did apt-get update, it showed no errors
• 1631[15:32:34] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: I see. What about the other command I asked for?
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• 1633[15:33:02] <petn-randall> !http.debian.net
• 1634[15:33:02] <dpkg> The httpredir.debian.org redirector (based on HTTP 302s) was shutdown on 2017-02-13 and replaced by <deb.debian.org>. Existing entries in sources.list will keep working as the DNS entries for httpredir.debian.org have been pointed to deb.debian.org.
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• 1637[15:33:51] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: It's been disabled for two years now, so I don't think it worked early today. ^^^
• 1638[15:34:09] <petn-randall> What confuses me more is that the error doesn't match the output above. Did you truncate the output somehow?
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• 1641[15:35:32] <treehug88> I'm having trouble submitting this debian bug report / request for package upgrade. Can someone here please submit this to bugs.debian.org ? replaced-url
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• 1647[15:38:14] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, nope, that's full output
• 1648[15:38:40] <petn-randall> treehug88: What error are you getting trying to submit it?
• 1649[15:38:42] <RandomSerb> also, let me see if old apt-get update output is still in the buffer
• 1650[15:39:00] <petn-randall> treehug88: It's of little use if I submit it, as I know nothing about the issue but would get all the replies.
• 1651[15:39:13] <hsab> /msg nickserv identify wakwak123rr
• 1652[15:39:23] * jelly can add choice serbian curses into !basic apt troubleshooting, to emphasize the importance of providng all info, if needed
• 1653[15:39:35] <treehug88> petn-randall it's described well in the pastebin text. I'm trying to get git-secret in sid updated. It should be pretty cut and dry upgrading (though I could be wrong)
• 1654[15:39:42] <petn-randall> hsab: Time to switch passwords ...
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• 1662[15:40:16] <hsab> :O holly molly
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• 1665[15:40:17] <hsab> ok
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• 1667[15:40:36] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, replaced-url
• 1668[15:40:40] * petn-randall wakka wakkas hsab
• 1669[15:40:57] <RandomSerb> so yeah, it fetched stretch-backports properly
• 1670[15:41:02] <RandomSerb> just an hour ago or so
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• 1676[15:41:59] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: `apt-cache policy`?
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• 1678[15:42:45] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 1684[15:44:37] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: Did you switch repos between those pastes? Because I'm seeing a different repository url in every paste.
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• 1688[15:46:03] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, nope, not at all
• 1689[15:47:03] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, replaced-url
• 1690[15:47:06] <RandomSerb> my sources.list
• 1691[15:47:16] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: anbox is available from my box in stretch-backports, so I don't know what's going on on your system.
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• 1693[15:48:27] <RandomSerb> mind helping out debugging?
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• 1696[15:48:43] <RandomSerb> does my sources.list look ok?
• 1697[15:49:21] <AK> post it to replaced-url
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• 1699[15:49:34] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: Ah, anbox is in *contrib*
• 1700[15:49:47] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: You need to add "contrib" to the end of line 23.
• 1701[15:50:01] <AK> someone is using termite in debian?
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• 1703[15:50:28] <petn-randall> !anyone
• 1704[15:50:28] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 1705[15:50:37] <siwica> Is there an emacs major mode to syntax-highlight debian/control files?
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• 1709[15:52:26] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, now, out of 10 tries apt-get update, 7 fail, and 3 are good
• 1710[15:52:28] <AK> termite.cc:32:10: fatal error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory
• 1711[15:52:30] <RandomSerb> weird, indeed
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• 1714[15:52:45] <greycat> ,file gtk/gtk.h
• 1715[15:52:49] <judd> Search for gtk/gtk.h in stretch/amd64: libgtk-3-dev: usr/include/gtk-3.0/gtk/gtk.h; libgtk2.0-dev: usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h
• 1716[15:52:50] <AK> I have that
• 1717[15:52:56] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, but I can now install anbox, thanks!
• 1718[15:52:57] <AK> both 2 and 3
• 1719[15:53:04] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: yay! \o/
• 1720[15:53:12] <greycat> Then you need to run ./configure with the appropriate options to TELL it where you gtk development headers are.
• 1721[15:53:22] <AK> gave it like make GTK=/usr/include/gtk
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• 1723[15:53:46] <AK> there is no configure in the dir
• 1724[15:53:46] <greycat> Read the instructions or find a termite support channel to learn how to run ./configure correctly for this application, because we will not know.
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• 1727[15:54:02] <greycat> If it's cmake, god help you.
• 1728[15:54:07] <greycat> cmake needs to die in a fire
• 1729[15:54:11] <AK> it make
• 1730[15:54:15] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, though it now complains that kernel drivers are not loaded
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• 1732[15:54:52] <greycat> If the instructions say that you should manually edit the Makefile to tell it where your gtk headers are, then we *definitely* will not be able to support you. Find the termite channel.
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• 1734[15:55:22] <greycat> The only thing #debian can tell you is how to install the appropriate gtk devel package, once you figure out which one that is.
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• 1739[15:57:55] <AK> replaced-url
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• 1741[15:58:04] <AK> now this error came
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• 1743[15:58:25] <greycat> Instead of showing us the error, how about you show us the INSTRUCTIONS that tell you what you are supposed to be doing? Or find the termite support channel.
• 1744[15:58:33] <LiPi> I want to insatll a kernel version that's shown with 'apt-cache madison linux', but when I do apt-get install linux-image=XXXXX -V it says version is not found
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• 1747[15:58:46] <LiPi> whY?
• 1748[15:58:51] <LiPi> I'm on sid
• 1749[15:58:53] <AK> I'm in that channel and I got no response
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• 1752[15:59:21] <LiPi> and want ' linux | 4.17.8-1 | replaced-url
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• 1756[16:00:15] <AK> LiPi: I'm on debian 4.19.0-1-rt-amd64
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• 1758[16:00:29] <AK> dunno if its sid or somehing but I think its buster
• 1759[16:00:34] <LiPi> I want a lower version
• 1760[16:00:37] <LiPi> just to test
• 1761[16:00:41] <AK> my fourth day on debian
• 1762[16:00:58] <greycat> !snapshot
• 1763[16:00:58] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 1764[16:01:00] <greycat> LiPi: ^^
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• 1766[16:01:49] <LiPi> where does madison find these versions then?
• 1767[16:02:01] <AK> Just installed this kernel just because debian don't have an option to reinstall the installed package from cache.
• 1768[16:02:29] <greycat> AK: dpkg -i /filename
• 1769[16:02:38] <AK> and I was watching for efistub issue. so I needed to install a new kernel
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• 1771[16:02:59] <LiPi> greycat, thanks, that will do it.
• 1772[16:03:00] <jelly> LiPi: "Sources" suggests it looks at source package, not binary debs
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• 1774[16:03:05] <AK> greycat: wow thanks, do I know where debian stores the cached programs?
• 1775[16:03:21] <LiPi> ah
• 1776[16:03:25] <LiPi> you're right
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• 1778[16:03:39] <greycat> AK: /var/cache/apt/archives/ unless you already cleaned them out, or unless you used apt which cleans them automatically
• 1779[16:03:41] <LiPi> just skipped that part of the output
• 1780[16:03:58] <LiPi> allright, thanks both jelly and greycat
• 1781[16:04:00] <greycat> AK: failing that, you can always use apt-get --reinstall install pkgname and it will re-download if necessary
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• 1788[16:05:00] <AK> greycat: thanks, I'll learn package management in more depth once I'm done configuring/recompiling the programs to my needs
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• 1790[16:05:33] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, how do I start anbox? anbox session-manager?
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• 1792[16:10:17] <LiPi> this snapshot repository is awesome
• 1793[16:10:35] <LiPi> they must have very powerful storage capacity
• 1794[16:10:44] <LiPi> to store everything
• 1795[16:10:51] <LiPi> and a very good snapshot system
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• 1806[16:19:31] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: I'd check the documentation for instructions.
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• 1828[16:33:03] <c-sanchez> Hey please visit and make an account with my link
• 1829[16:33:08] <c-sanchez> replaced-url
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• 1868[16:56:18] <echoSMILE> debian don't use closed firmware right?
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• 1870[16:56:45] <petn-randall> echoSMILE: It's available in the non-free section if you need it.
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• 1872[16:57:11] <echoSMILE> ok.ty
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• 1883[17:03:32] <jelly> echoSMILE: however it's not used and it's not available by default, and extra manual steps have to be taken by the user to use it
• 1884[17:03:44] <victorqueiroz> Why does installation of Squeeze or Lenny in VirtualBox stuck in 'please wait' after I select the options in Tasksel
• 1885[17:03:54] <echoSMILE> cool.tks
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• 1887[17:04:09] <jelly> victorqueiroz: probably because all the default repositories are unavailable
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• 1889[17:04:39] <victorqueiroz> There's archive.debian.org
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• 1891[17:04:45] <victorqueiroz> Which I selected during the installation
• 1892[17:04:48] <petn-randall> victorqueiroz: None of those releases are supported anymore. You could try using the full DVDs and attempt an offline installation.
• 1893[17:05:04] <petn-randall> It might work with archive.d.o, I haven't tested it.
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• 1896[17:07:46] <victorqueiroz> You're a genius, let's try that
• 1897[17:08:37] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 1905[17:12:23] <octet> echoSMIL3, duvian is completely FOSS
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• 1907[17:13:22] <jelly> duvian?
• 1908[17:13:37] <octet> duvuan
• 1909[17:13:51] <octet> no idea where that name came from
• 1910[17:13:51] <jelly> you ot one more try
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• 1963[17:43:39] <echoSMIL3> even all docs at *.debian.org follow the libre philosophy?
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• 1968[17:44:36] <octet> okay, so I compiled my own kernel with the mt76 module enabled, and it is loaded with lsmod. but plugging in my usb network card still doesnt activate. what else is required? replaced-url
• 1969[17:44:36] <octet> device is netgear a6210, chipset is MT7612U according to wikidevi.com
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• 1973[17:45:28] <Bustin> experiencing keyring / gpg key errors,any help is appreciated replaced-url
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• 1975[17:45:43] <Bustin> fresh install debian stretch
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• 1981[17:48:34] <jhutchins_wk> !devuan
• 1982[17:48:34] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
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• 2004[17:57:33] <octet> it is looking for " mt7662u_rom_patch.bin" but cant find it. not sure what package to install that includes this as I have firmware-misc-nonfree" installed
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• 2006[17:58:01] <greycat> ,file mt7662u_rom_patch.bin
• 2007[17:58:05] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 2008[17:58:10] <greycat> !listkeys 7662
• 2009[17:58:11] <dpkg> Factoid search of '7662' by key returned no results.
• 2010[17:58:20] <greycat> Google time, then.
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• 2019[18:04:01] <echoSMIL3> related with gnu/linux in genera;: is there an X system that is a console with media compatibility ?
• 2020[18:04:08] <echoSMIL3> general*
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• 2057[18:18:56] <jpinx> I suppose I'll have to do 8>9 before 10 takes over?
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• 2059[18:19:49] <sparr> I have resolved my monitor problem from last night. The root cause was bandwidth limits on the USB3.1-over-USBC port leading to my dock, which capped out before allowing two external monitors to run in my target resolution.
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• 2063[18:20:54] <petn-randall> jpinx: If you want to upgrade to 10 at some point, yes.
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• 2065[18:21:45] <petn-randall> jpinx: Debian 8 still gets limited long-term support:
• 2066[18:21:48] <petn-randall> !jessie-lts
• 2067[18:21:48] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
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• 2069[18:22:38] <diogenes_> !stretch-lts
• 2070[18:22:42] <friendofafriend> echoSMIL3: A console with media compatibility sounds like just starting X and an xterm.
• 2071[18:22:44] <diogenes_> nothing?
• 2072[18:23:09] <RandomSerb> does anyone know how to use anbox?
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• 2074[18:23:18] <echoSMIL3> friendofafriend and xterm supports media inside?
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• 2078[18:24:16] <friendofafriend> By "media inside", I'm guessing you mean like displayed within the window or something?
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• 2080[18:24:35] <friendofafriend> You can play media at the frame buffer in a number of different ways, without X at all.
• 2081[18:24:36] <jpinx> petn-randall: Thanks - reading about long-term security for jessie, I might not bother just yet
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• 2085[18:26:27] <jpinx> petn-randall: OTOH - maybe better to get it done and ge 9>10 done too, then relax for a year or two ;)
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• 2090[18:31:56] <n4dir> rather 2 than 1
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• 2092[18:33:25] <lpancescu> why isn't anacron installed by default on desktop installations? it's quite practical if your system sleeps for power-saving, like laptops
• 2093[18:34:29] <lpancescu> although i remember it being recommended in the reference manual or somewhare else...
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• 2095[18:35:03] <jmcnaught> ,recommends task-desktop
• 2096[18:35:04] <judd> Package task-desktop in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: task-gnome-desktop | task-xfce-desktop | task-kde-desktop | task-lxde-desktop | task-cinnamon-desktop | task-mate-desktop | task-lxqt-desktop, xdg-utils, avahi-daemon, libnss-mdns, anacron, eject, iw, alsa-utils.
• 2097[18:35:36] <jmcnaught> lpancescu: ^ it is installed by default if you select the desktop task
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• 2100[18:35:47] <jhutchins_wk> lpancescu: It's installed on my Stretch XFCE.
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• 2103[18:36:16] <lpancescu> hmm. apt show anacron seemed to indicate that it isn't...
• 2104[18:37:31] <karlpinc> lpancescu: Did you install the task-desktop task or just your specific desktop task?
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• 2106[18:38:48] <lpancescu> strange, it's installed in gnome desktop as well. i was just wondering why the security updates aren't being installed (an older gnome stretch installation at work did this every day and suggested reboots when needed), but that desktop never slept
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• 2113[18:39:52] <lpancescu> karlpinc: i performed a normal gnome installation, the default one
• 2114[18:40:36] <lpancescu> i saw it used unattended-upgreades in the background, but i didn't install it explicitly
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• 2116[18:41:31] <jhutchins_wk> ,v anachron
• 2117[18:41:32] <judd> No package named 'anachron' was found in amd64.
• 2118[18:41:35] <jhutchins_wk> ,v anacron
• 2119[18:41:36] <judd> Package: anacron on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.3-19; jessie: 2.3-23; stretch: 2.3-24; buster: 2.3-27; sid: 2.3-27
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• 2121[18:42:29] <lpancescu> i had it already, thanks. trying to figure out why the automatic updates didn't run
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• 2123[18:42:38] <rocketmagnet> hi all
• 2124[18:42:43] <rocketmagnet> i can't find the package libmirclient-dev
• 2125[18:42:53] <rocketmagnet> i'm on debian stable
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• 2137[18:47:41] <jhutchins_wk> rocketmagnet: I don't think mir is in debian.
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• 2139[18:48:00] <rocketmagnet> i need it for vulkan :(
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• 2141[18:48:25] <rocketmagnet> it's available for ubuntu
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• 2144[18:48:42] <rocketmagnet> can't i just compile and install it myself somehow ?
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• 2147[18:48:55] <greycat> Sure. That's how Debian makes software packages, after all.
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• 2152[18:50:22] <karlpinc> What is the channel for debian maintainers?
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• 2155[18:50:39] <greycat> !mentors
• 2156[18:50:39] <dpkg> i guess mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
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• 2167[18:56:51] <armin> replaced-url
• 2168[18:56:53] <armin> o.O
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• 2170[18:56:59] <armin> ok i guess
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• 2173[18:57:27] <friendofafriend> Alright, back to init like normal!
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• 2177[19:01:36] <armin> friendofafriend: i have questionable views on systemd so i rather not start a flamewar now
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• 2179[19:02:57] <Scrutinizer> No ideology please, what's the specific systemd issue they're talking about?
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• 2182[19:04:11] <kirk781> Did someone mention systemd?
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• 2191[19:07:59] <petn-randall> armin: It's not even stated that biebl is taking time off due to systemd. It could also be due to Debian.
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• 2197[19:09:10] <armin> petn-randall: from what i've read michael didn't clarify what the actual reasons are, yet, or wasn't too verbose on the ML so far. i'm looking forward to some clarification.
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• 2199[19:09:30] <armin> petn-randall: it's not unlikely he relates to upstream though.
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• 2201[19:11:11] <lpancescu> since the annoucement was done on the upstream ML and mentioned 'nonsense', it looks more likely to be upstream-relaed than debian-related...
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• 2215[19:15:22] <petn-randall> lpancescu: If he stopped maintaining for Debian, it's courtesy to inform upstream about it. But there's little sense in discussing hypotheticals. If mbiebl wants to publicly announce the reason, he'll do so.
• 2216[19:16:16] <lpancescu> yes, you're right
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• 2223[19:19:36] <choice> Hello! When I put an usb wifi dongle into my Debian laptop (that already has internal wifi) should it show me some info that i have two wifis now and pick one or something?
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• 2233[19:21:10] <c|oneman> yes
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• 2236[19:22:16] <Bustin> New to debian, is there a way to install my GTX 1050 Nvidia card for acceleration? I tried following a tutorial online, and my laptop would not boot after. I'm using a fresh install of debian stretch.
• 2237[19:22:53] <choice> When I plug in my wifi dongle, nothing happens. It seems to be Broadcom BCM2045. Any way to make it work?
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• 2240[19:24:53] <rwp> choice, My googlefu tells me the Broadcom BCM2045 is a Bluetooth device.
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• 2242[19:25:02] <kirk781> Graphic card drivers are still a giant pain to configure
• 2243[19:25:24] <choice> rwp: Ha! Thanks :) Going to throw that thing away then.
• 2244[19:25:32] <kirk781> I have had propreitary drivers for Nvidia make the system non bootable too[more like the screen fails to display anything]
• 2245[19:25:33] <jhutchins_wk> kirk781: Depends on the chipset.
• 2246[19:25:40] <rwp> choice, Reference: replaced-url
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• 2250[19:25:50] <jhutchins_wk> kirk781: Never had a problem with them myself.
• 2251[19:25:57] <lpancescu> choice: you probably need some non-free firmware
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• 2253[19:26:12] <choice> lpancescu: It seems the device is not a wifi dongle :)
• 2254[19:26:37] <jhutchins_wk> Bustin: Was the tutorial from Debian or Nvidia?
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• 2259[19:27:31] <Bustin> jhutchins_wk: debian, I have tried probably 5 tutorials now,each have led me to format as I am new to linux, couldn't figure how to get my session working again. Currently in my "Details" it's showing my graphics as: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits)
• 2260[19:28:15] <choice> What happens when I add a second wifi adapter to my laptop and connect to another access point / the same access point? Will I have twice the speed?
• 2261[19:29:21] <jhutchins_wk> Bustin: Try lspci -nn and paste JUST the VGA line.
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• 2266[19:30:36] <Bustin> jhutchins_wk: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:3e9b] I also see a 3D line, which shows my Nvidia device
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• 2270[19:31:29] <lpancescu> choice: not really, certainly not without bonding. and more clients to the same AP might just split the bandwidth
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• 2272[19:32:31] <lpancescu> even different clients to different APs isn't that simple, due to interference (as anyone living in a dense urban area can tell you)
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• 2275[19:33:24] <choice> lpancescu: Interesting
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• 2279[19:34:06] <lpancescu> choice: nothing beats good ol' LAN cables :)
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• 2282[19:35:16] <lpancescu> bandwidth, latency, parallel transfers without interference or degradation of the signal to noise ratio
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• 2287[19:38:02] <choice> lpancescu: FedEx does: replaced-url
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• 2289[19:38:21] <Tom-_> it's pretty weird to say "no ideology". this is fucking debian
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• 2291[19:39:06] <lpancescu> heh :)
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• 2298[19:40:42] <Tom-_> sorry about that second sentence. you can meet me in other places if you want to discuss anything
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• 2324[19:51:34] <Bustin> Anyone have a good guide, or some advice on installing the Nvidia GTX 1050 on a fresh install of debian stretch? I have tried the guides on the debian wiki, to no avail. The system will not boot after those guides. Thanks.
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• 2329[19:53:27] <karlpinc> Bustin: Did you use the unofficial install image with non-free firmware included? Another option is to boot from the installer in rescue mode and then install a newer kernel from backports. (Let me ask the bot about your pciid.)
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• 2331[19:53:46] <karlpinc> ,pciid 8086:3e9b
• 2332[19:53:47] <judd> [8086:3e9b] is 'UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 2333[19:54:02] <Bustin> karlpinc: I did use the netinstall with non-free
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• 2336[19:55:10] <karlpinc> Bustin: Sometimes I've had luck with a newer kernel installed from backports. I presume you're _not_ using the Intel video above?
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• 2338[19:56:05] <Bustin> karlpinc: 3D controller [0302]: NVIDIA Corporation Device [10de:1c8d] (rev a1) is the other card, which I would like to utilize, as it's more powerful than the onboard Intel. I am currently on a fresh install of Debian stretch, have not installed / configured any graphics as of yet.
• 2339[19:56:23] <karlpinc> !debian-backports
• 2340[19:56:23] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable (<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 2341[19:56:34] <karlpinc> ,pciid 10de:1c8d
• 2342[19:56:35] <judd> [10de:1c8d] is 'GP107M [GeForce GTX 1050 Mobile]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 2343[19:56:53] <jmcnaught> Bustin: are these the instructions you followed earlier? replaced-url
• 2344[19:57:12] <karlpinc> Bustin: Gotta go. Hope someone here can help.
• 2345[19:57:16] <Bustin> jmcnaught: yes
• 2346[19:57:20] <Bustin> karlpinc: thank you.
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• 2353[20:01:43] <Bustin> jmcnaught: are those instructions not working any longer? I have also tried 3-4 other guides online with debian stretch for my specific card, each to no avail. I could not boot in to my DE after each guide.
• 2354[20:02:49] <jmcnaught> Bustin: I don't have an Nvidia card, but those instructions are the correct way to install the drivers. Other methods (like running the installer from the nvidia website) can mess up your system
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• 2356[20:03:09] <jmcnaught> Bustin: did you install the drivers from stretch-backports?
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• 2367[20:08:29] <PaddyF> !nvidia-detect
• 2368[20:08:39] <PaddyF> hmmm
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• 2378[20:10:32] <PaddyF> the package nvidia-detect is in strecht, maybe in non-free
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• 2383[20:11:46] <RandomSerb> is there an easy way to repartition the disk so that I get 2 partitions, and move home into a second one, ie separate from root
• 2384[20:12:07] <PaddyF> RandomSerb: boot a livecd and run gparted
• 2385[20:12:20] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: Not without backing all data up, repartitioning, and then restoring again.
• 2386[20:13:04] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: I recommend using LVM. It's only a bit more complicated than plain partitions, but gives you exactly this flexibility to do live.
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• 2388[20:13:17] <StyXman> RandomSerb: not easy unless you want your home partition of a smaller space than the free space you have
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• 2390[20:14:40] <StyXman> otherwise it's a matter of resize, creating a new partition, move some data over, and then repeat: shrink part 1, move and resize part2, move data over, rinse, repeat
• 2391[20:14:46] <lpancescu> gparted's support for LVM is rather non-existent. if you use LVM instead of disk partitions, it's doable from the command line. there was some LVM-HOWTO somewhere...
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• 2393[20:15:09] <StyXman> which is time consuming as hell, specially if you're running out of free space
• 2394[20:15:40] <lpancescu> sure, and you better have backups if you try this for the first time :)
• 2395[20:15:54] <StyXman> RandomSerb: I'm procrastinating the other way around, consoldidating / and /home, because / is running out of space
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• 2397[20:16:01] <StyXman> lpancescu: +1
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• 2408[20:22:13] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, StyXman: i've enough free space after I removed android sdk :)
• 2409[20:22:25] <RandomSerb> actually, more than enough
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• 2411[20:22:43] <RandomSerb> I can't move home while booted onto system?
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• 2413[20:23:09] <greycat> You'd want to be booted into a mode where /home is not being used at all.
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• 2418[20:23:29] <greycat> Single-user mode would be OK, probably.
• 2419[20:23:47] <RandomSerb> so, only livecd? I've no cd rom, and I only have one rather small usb stick handy
• 2420[20:23:59] <greycat> That would also work.
• 2421[20:24:16] <RandomSerb> what would also work? usb-stick? or I could do it without it, as well?
• 2422[20:24:21] <BCMM> i reckon just logging out ought of all user accounts should be enough...
• 2423[20:24:31] <greycat> The things you said (booting from a CD or USB) would also work, if you can't use single-user mode for some reason.
• 2424[20:24:40] <BCMM> like, if you just stop the DM and log in as root on a VT, nothing should care about /home/
• 2425[20:24:43] <RandomSerb> what's single user mode?
• 2426[20:24:45] <greycat> BCMM: cron jobs, email
• 2427[20:25:26] <greycat> !single-user mode
• 2428[20:25:26] <dpkg> [single-user mode] Enter 'telinit 1' as root to switch from multi-user to single-user mode. To enter this mode at boot, GRUB: choose the "single-user mode" (GRUB Legacy) or "recovery mode" (GRUB 2) boot option; LILO: press the left shift key when LILO appears, then add '1' to the boot prompt (e.g. 'LILO: linux 1').
• 2429[20:25:33] <greycat> Oof, that is *old*.
• 2430[20:26:03] <greycat> In current releases, it's under the "Advanced options for Debian" GRUB menu, or something very similar.
• 2431[20:26:42] <RandomSerb> ok, so once I boot, I can use gparted's gui to resize my only partition?
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• 2433[20:26:57] <petn-randall> greycat: It's not that old if it's talking about grub v1 as "GRUB legacy" :)
• 2434[20:27:10] <greycat> To give a description, it's booting without bringing up ALL of the services. Basically just mounting file systems, starting the network, maybe NTP and so forth, and then a console getty/login, nothing more.
• 2435[20:27:15] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: Make sure you have backups before attempting such things.
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• 2437[20:28:03] <beepnboop-> how can i install teamspeak?
• 2438[20:28:14] <beepnboop-> i'm having hard time finding reliable guide
• 2439[20:28:37] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, backups of what? whole partition? I don't think there's a way for me to do it
• 2440[20:28:47] <GumShoe> Hmm newly installed and updated debian stretch I 'apt-get install restic' and get version restic 0.3.3 from 08 Jan 2017. Github indicates 0.9.4 is current.
• 2441[20:28:47] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: It's not in Debian, so you'll have to find instructions on the teamspeak homepage.
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• 2443[20:29:15] <petn-randall> RandomSerb: Backup of the data on it.
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• 2446[20:29:26] <GumShoe> I'm wondering if there are other repositories that I should consider adding not necessairly specific to restic
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• 2448[20:29:52] <petn-randall> GumShoe: That's not surprising given that stretch released two years ago.
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• 2450[20:30:21] <GumShoe> Isn't stretch current? And maintained?
• 2451[20:30:34] <RandomSerb> petn-randall, yeah, but what kind of data should I back up?
• 2452[20:30:56] <RandomSerb> I don't think I have anything important outside of my home dir
• 2453[20:31:24] <greycat> !stable
• 2454[20:31:24] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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• 2456[20:31:43] <greycat> Stretch is a stable release. It doesn't get newer versions of stuff than what it had when it froze.
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• 2459[20:32:50] <greycat> RandomSerb: *in general*, for a typical home system, you would want to back up /home, /etc, and wherever you store your porn and other large media files
• 2460[20:33:04] <petn-randall> GumShoe: Yes, but that doesn't mean it's bleeding edge. Current or stable, pick one.
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• 2463[20:33:38] <GumShoe> are there official or accepted repositories that contain newer versions of _some_ software packages?
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• 2466[20:34:02] <petn-randall> GumShoe: sure, the backports repos
• 2467[20:34:08] <petn-randall> !stretch backports
• 2468[20:34:08] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with "Stretch" (9.x) can be found in the "stretch-backports" repository. See replaced-url
• 2469[20:34:17] <petn-randall> ,v restic
• 2470[20:34:18] <judd> Package: restic on amd64 -- stretch: 0.3.3-1+b2; buster: 0.9.4+ds-1; sid: 0.9.4+ds-1
• 2471[20:34:29] <greycat> ,checkbackport restic
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• 2473[20:34:38] <judd> Backporting package restic in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: golang-github-cenkalti-backoff-dev (>= 2.0.0), golang-github-kurin-blazer-dev, golang-github-pkg-xattr-dev, golang-github-restic-chunker-dev (>= 0.2.0), golang-github-spf13-cobra-dev (>= 0.0.1).
• 2474[20:34:42] <greycat> Oops.
• 2475[20:35:08] <petn-randall> . o O ( maybe borgbackup is better? )
• 2476[20:35:25] <greycat> I have no idea what any of these things is, or why a cobra needs SPF 13 sun screen.
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• 2488[20:36:52] <petn-randall> Well, you don't need sun screen if you have 9 lives.
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• 2498[20:38:57] <beepnboop-> how can i make this work in debian sudo add-apt-repository ppa:materieller/teamspeak3
• 2499[20:39:06] <RandomSerb> greycat, I don't care for anything except for /home/myusername
• 2500[20:39:12] <beepnboop-> wait nvm
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• 2502[20:39:14] <greycat> Then back that up.
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• 2509[20:41:04] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: Mixing PPAs with Debian are a great way to practice reinstalling Debian.
• 2510[20:41:07] <petn-randall> !ppa
• 2511[20:41:07] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
• 2512[20:41:26] <petn-randall> !whz not use a ppa
• 2513[20:41:31] <petn-randall> !why not use a ppa
• 2514[20:41:31] <dpkg> PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>.
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• 2516[20:42:17] <wwilliam> not a debian question but I dont know where else to ask I have a file locally with names of files in it I need to sftp those files in that list from the windowze ftp server Thank you.
• 2517[20:43:13] <petn-randall> wwilliam: Does one of the machine run Debian?
• 2518[20:43:19] <wwilliam> Yes
• 2519[20:43:21] <wwilliam> Local
• 2520[20:43:25] <petn-randall> Then it's fine to ask here.
• 2521[20:43:35] <GNU\colossus> one filename per line of text in the file?
• 2522[20:43:37] <wwilliam> Thanks
• 2523[20:43:39] <StyXman> for i in "$(cat file)"; do sftp "windowze:/path/to/files/$i" .; done
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• 2525[20:43:46] <wwilliam> yes GNU\colossus
• 2526[20:43:58] <greycat> sftp does not communicate with an FTP server. SFTP and FTP are completely different. They have nothing in common at all except some of the ltters in their names.
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• 2528[20:44:09] <greycat> StyXman: no.
• 2529[20:44:18] <StyXman> ufa
• 2530[20:44:18] <wwilliam> using sftp now greycat
• 2531[20:44:29] <greycat> wwilliam: you said, and I quote, "ftp server".
• 2532[20:44:49] <wwilliam> Its is an ZFTP with sftp on
• 2533[20:44:52] <greycat> The sftp program cannot communicate with an FTP server.
• 2534[20:45:12] <greycat> I have no idea what a ZFTP is. If it works, great.
• 2535[20:45:19] <wwilliam> anyway manually i can do it from command line one by one
• 2536[20:45:24] <greycat> Bash FAQ 1.
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• 2538[20:45:33] <wwilliam> but i need to script the process and just get todays files
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• 2540[20:45:48] <greycat> /msg greybot faq 1
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• 2542[20:46:34] <GNU\colossus> wwilliam, try this: while read -r filename; do sftp your_remote_host <<<'get "$filename"; done < your_file_with_filesnames_in_it
• 2543[20:46:35] <StyXman> wwilliam: something around the lines of what I posted
• 2544[20:46:38] <wwilliam> Thanks greycat
• 2545[20:46:44] <friendofafriend> wwilliam: You'd be better off mounting the server, if you need dates.
• 2546[20:46:50] <GNU\colossus> (make sure to have pubkey authentication set up)
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• 2550[20:47:21] <greycat> GNU\colossus: your quotes are wrong
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• 2555[20:48:58] <greycat> You may also need to sanitize or escape the filenames before passing them to sftp's parser. I have no idea what it can/can't accept.
• 2556[20:49:08] <GNU\colossus> greycat, ah yes!
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• 2558[20:49:12] <GNU\colossus> make that
• 2559[20:49:13] <wwilliam> Testing greycat
• 2560[20:49:29] <GNU\colossus> wwilliam, try this: while read -r filename; do sftp your_remote_host <<<'get "'"${filename}"'"'; done < your_file_with_filesnames_in_it
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• 2564[20:50:15] <greycat> That looks like it is guaranteed to fail on filenames with double quotes in them, but good news! He said "windows", and at least some of the file systems used by Microsoft cannot accept filenames with double quotes in them.
• 2565[20:50:28] <greycat> So maybe it'll work by accident.
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• 2567[20:50:40] <wwilliam> Testing
• 2568[20:50:44] <GNU\colossus> whoever suggested using sshfs to mounts the remote sftp-server had the best idea to get this done though :)
• 2569[20:50:51] <GNU\colossus> mount*
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• 2572[20:51:59] <jhutchins_wk> beepnboop-: Don't.
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• 2575[20:52:23] <beepnboop-> how can i install teamspeak?
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• 2581[20:53:55] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: Have you looked at the teamspeak website yet?
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• 2584[20:54:11] <beepnboop-> it has run file..
• 2585[20:54:20] <beepnboop-> i have no idea how to use that
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• 2587[20:54:33] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: What do the instructions say?
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• 2591[20:54:43] <beepnboop-> there are non
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• 2593[20:55:00] <kanliot> is btrfs really deprecated? Is stratis a thing now for debian?
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• 2596[20:55:46] <jhutchins_wk> "teamspeak on debian" returns 194,000 results on google.
• 2597[20:55:46] <petn-randall> kanliot: I don't see anyone claiming that.
• 2598[20:56:15] <Kohlrabi> beepnboop-: Server or Client?
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• 2601[20:56:27] <jhutchins_wk> beepnboop-: Your safest method is probably to download the source code and build debian packages with it.
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• 2603[20:56:30] <Kohlrabi> The server you just unpack and start using the included scripts
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• 2605[20:56:36] <Kohlrabi> The client I never used
• 2606[20:56:47] <beepnboop-> client
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• 2609[20:57:14] <beepnboop-> man with "arch" it was so painless and yeasy
• 2610[20:57:20] <beepnboop-> easy
• 2611[20:57:33] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: AFAICS you just download the binary and run it.
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• 2613[20:57:42] <Kohlrabi> AUR is nice, yes
• 2614[20:57:42] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: Have you tried running it yet?
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• 2616[20:57:55] <beepnboop-> yea
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• 2622[20:58:31] <Kohlrabi> beepnboop-: A similar experience to Arch AUR would be Ubuntu and PPAs, but that's not real Debian, then :)
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• 2624[20:58:43] <beepnboop-> udo: /home/war/Downloads/TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run: command not found
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• 2626[20:59:10] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: Did you set it executable?
• 2627[20:59:11] <beepnboop-> its not real arch but manjaro, thats why i said "arch"
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• 2629[20:59:22] <deadrom> hi
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• 2634[20:59:31] <beepnboop-> don't know how to do that petn
• 2635[20:59:40] <diogenes_> beepnboop-, ,/TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run
• 2636[20:59:45] <diogenes_> try this ^^^
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• 2638[21:00:08] <deadrom> can one convert an mbr disk to gpt without losing data? or convert mbr with sda1+sda2 (2 primary) to sda1+(logical sda5)?
• 2639[21:00:41] <towo`> mbr => is possible
• 2640[21:00:44] <towo`> grr
• 2641[21:00:47] <beepnboop-> bash keeps giving me errors
• 2642[21:00:50] <towo`> mbr => gpt is possible
• 2643[21:01:27] <beepnboop-> bash: TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run: command not found
• 2644[21:01:42] <greycat> ./ not ,/
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• 2646[21:02:05] <deadrom> towo`: would appreciate info
• 2647[21:02:13] <beepnboop-> war@debian:~/Downloads$ TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run
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• 2649[21:02:19] <greycat> beepnboop-: ./filename
• 2650[21:02:52] <beepnboop-> sudo: ./TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run: command not found
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• 2652[21:03:09] <towo`> deadrom, replaced-url
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• 2655[21:03:40] <diogenes_> beepnboop-, cd Downloads && ./TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run
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• 2657[21:03:57] <beepnboop-> i'm already cd'd to that folder
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• 2659[21:04:06] <GumShoe> FWIW I found that restic 0.9.4 (current) has some prebuilt binaries replaced-url
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• 2661[21:04:23] <diogenes_> beepnboop-, what does: ls | grep Team
• 2662[21:04:25] <diogenes_> says?
• 2663[21:04:30] <GNU\colossus> beepnboop-, what does that yield? uname -m; file ./TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run
• 2664[21:04:37] <greycat> beepnboop-: (1) why does your output say "sudo"? (2) are you on amd64?
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• 2666[21:04:46] <beepnboop-> TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run
• 2667[21:04:48] <greycat> yeah, GNU\colossus has the same ideas
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• 2669[21:05:09] <diogenes_> beepnboop-, then try su (enter password)
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• 2671[21:05:15] <beepnboop-> without sudo it says premmison denied
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• 2673[21:05:20] <diogenes_> then: ./TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run
• 2674[21:05:23] <greycat> chmod 755 filename
• 2675[21:05:28] <beepnboop-> ./TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run: POSIX shell script executable (binary data)
• 2676[21:05:32] <greycat> USING SUDO IS NOT THE ANSWER
• 2677[21:05:45] <diogenes_> greycat, sudo doesn't work on debian :)
• 2678[21:05:47] <greycat> OH god, is it an *installer*?
• 2679[21:05:52] <diogenes_> he has to use su
• 2680[21:05:59] <greycat> diogenes_: ... god, no, why, what, WHY are you so wrong
• 2681[21:06:01] <beepnboop-> bash: ./TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run: Permission denied
• 2682[21:06:04] <beepnboop-> .....
• 2683[21:06:07] <GNU\colossus> GumShoe, that is the case for pretty much all software that is written in Go (aka Golang)
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• 2686[21:06:36] <greycat> beepnboop-: chmod 755 ./TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64-3.2.3.run
• 2687[21:06:42] <diogenes_> greycat, not out of the box, that wahat i meant
• 2688[21:06:51] <beepnboop-> no output
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• 2691[21:06:56] <greycat> Good!
• 2692[21:07:00] <greycat> NOW run the thing.
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• 2699[21:08:46] <beepnboop-> it installed folder but nothing works
• 2700[21:09:03] <beepnboop-> /home/war/Downloads/TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64/ts3client_linux_amd64: error while loading shared libraries: libquazip.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
• 2701[21:09:10] <greycat> Progress! Yay!
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• 2704[21:09:24] <greycat> So now you find out what package (if any) has this libquazip.so file, and install that.
• 2705[21:09:29] <GNU\colossus> wtf is quazip
• 2706[21:09:38] <greycat> ,file libquazip.so
• 2707[21:09:39] <GNU\colossus> I would just install mumble/murmur, and be done with it
• 2708[21:09:43] <judd> Search for libquazip.so in stretch/amd64: libquazip-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libquazip.so
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• 2712[21:10:03] <GNU\colossus> the .so is in the -dev package?
• 2713[21:10:07] <greycat> You wouldn't necessarily need the -dev package, but that would *work*. Because it would also bring in the runtime shared library.
• 2714[21:10:21] <greycat> GNU\colossus: that's a symlink for linking, probably
• 2715[21:10:31] <deadrom> i thought discord was the new teamspeak
• 2716[21:10:33] <GNU\colossus> "C++ wrapper for the Gilles Vollant's ZIP/UNZIP C package"
• 2717[21:10:47] <beepnboop-> cant install that nothing finds it
• 2718[21:10:53] <deadrom> towo`: huh. that was almost too easy. thanks
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• 2720[21:11:28] <greycat> beepnboop-: the bot literally JUST said the stretch package name
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• 2723[21:11:49] <beepnboop-> what bot
• 2724[21:12:00] <greycat> 15:09 judd> Search for libquazip.so in stretch/amd64: libquazip-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libquazip.so
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• 2728[21:13:19] <beepnboop-> E: Unable to locate package libquazip.so E: Couldn't find any package by glob 'libquazip.so' E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libquazip.so'
• 2729[21:13:23] * deadrom has a terrrible hatred of MS right now
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• 2731[21:13:35] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 2734[21:14:52] <joepublic> I suspect the package name may not be something.so
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• 2736[21:15:13] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: "libquazip.so" is the name of the file, not the package. "libquazip-dev" is the package name you're looking for.
• 2737[21:15:19] <beepnboop-> E: Unable to locate package libquazip
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• 2740[21:16:21] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: That's not surprising since you're still making up random package names.
• 2741[21:16:47] <GNU\colossus> you're looking for apt-get install libquazip-dev
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• 2743[21:16:57] <petn-randall> The correct package name is in quotes in my last message.
• 2744[21:17:01] <beepnboop-> installed, that ts file still has the exact error
• 2745[21:17:05] <joepublic> after typing the command, press the etner key
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• 2747[21:17:24] <diogenes_> after that enter your password :)
• 2748[21:17:40] <GNU\colossus> maybe it's trying to run a 32bit binary, and beepnboop- is on a 64bit host
• 2749[21:17:45] <beepnboop-> i installed it
• 2750[21:17:46] <GNU\colossus> -> I would just install mumble/murmur, and be done with it
• 2751[21:18:06] <beepnboop-> i know no one that uses mmble
• 2752[21:18:06] <diogenes_> or discord
• 2753[21:18:07] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: Did you download the 32 or 64 bit binary?
• 2754[21:18:12] <beepnboop-> 64
• 2755[21:18:30] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: Then take it up with teamspeak support.
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• 2757[21:18:44] <beepnboop-> lol gl with that
• 2758[21:18:51] * petn-randall shrugs.
• 2759[21:19:17] <petn-randall> Not much Debian can do about buggy software then.
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• 2761[21:19:21] <beepnboop-> ah sorry sorry
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• 2763[21:19:24] <beepnboop-> its not the same
• 2764[21:19:30] <beepnboop-> /home/war/Downloads/TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_amd64/ts3client_linux_amd64: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Core.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
• 2765[21:19:42] <petn-randall> :)
• 2766[21:19:45] <diogenes_> oml
• 2767[21:19:49] <joepublic> Have you tried installing that library?
• 2768[21:19:59] <beepnboop-> its .so again
• 2769[21:20:13] <beepnboop-> so its prob .dev?
• 2770[21:20:23] <diogenes_> smells like dependency hell, after installing that it gonna complain about something else
• 2771[21:20:24] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: Ok, every time it complains about a missing file like that, you run `apt-file search <filename>`, and install the missing package.
• 2772[21:20:39] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: You will need to install apt-file for that.
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• 2775[21:21:03] <GNU\colossus> [21:18:06] <beepnboop-> i know no one that uses mmble - the client is free, and cross-platform
• 2776[21:21:21] <GNU\colossus> if your friends are unwilling or unable to make the switch, get new friends :>
• 2777[21:21:33] <petn-randall> heh
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• 2779[21:21:52] <diogenes_> lol, use open source friends :)
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• 2782[21:22:24] <beepnboop-> reeeeeeeee
• 2783[21:23:05] <beepnboop-> ok found some files with that petn
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• 2785[21:23:45] <beepnboop-> nvm
• 2786[21:23:53] <petn-randall> I guess you'll have to install a dozen packages that way.
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• 2790[21:25:37] <beepnboop-> man fuck ts
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• 2794[21:27:25] <GNU\colossus> told ya.
• 2795[21:27:36] <beepnboop-> gl playing arma without it
• 2796[21:27:46] <beepnboop-> when u need plugins and shit
• 2797[21:27:49] <petn-randall> I'm sure if you google for it, there will be a list of missing packages.
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• 2799[21:27:59] <petn-randall> ArmA runs on Linux?
• 2800[21:28:12] <beepnboop-> .....
• 2801[21:28:30] * petn-randall calls pacman to eat all those dots.
• 2802[21:28:46] <joepublic> pacman -Ss dot-eater
• 2803[21:28:53] <petn-randall> hehehe
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• 2805[21:29:09] <greycat> I bet pacman doesn't even have super cow powers.
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• 2809[21:29:54] <beepnboop-> wew new error
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• 2812[21:30:49] <beepnboop-> QCoreApplication::applicationDirPath: Please instantiate the QApplication object first
• 2813[21:30:49] <beepnboop-> This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" | in "". | Available platform plugins are: xcb. | Reinstalling the application may fix this problem. | Aborted
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• 2815[21:31:18] <beepnboop-> i use yay -S or -Syu
• 2816[21:31:28] <beepnboop-> its 10 times better than pacman
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• 2818[21:32:17] <beepnboop-> can i even do anything with this error
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• 2820[21:33:19] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: Time to ask google.
• 2821[21:33:22] <joepublic> it could not find "xcb" in "" because the only platform plugin is "xcb". Right?
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• 2823[21:33:32] <joepublic> Because that makes really no sense to me at all.
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• 2829[21:34:31] <jhutchins_wk> joepublic: Looks like the path it's supposed to look in is null.
• 2830[21:34:47] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: It might also help if you paste the command + complete output to replaced-url
• 2831[21:35:25] <joepublic> how much path does it need if it already found xcb and is telling the world that it's available?
• 2832[21:35:34] <beepnboop-> GNU\colossus, how do i connect to ts server with mmbl?
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• 2840[21:37:29] <beepnboop-> replaced-url
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• 2842[21:39:39] <beepnboop-> i don't even know what to ask duckduckgo with this output...
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• 2844[21:40:09] <joepublic> "how the heck do you install (whatever) on debian"
• 2845[21:40:28] <greycat> *totally* depends on what (whatever) is
• 2846[21:40:44] <beepnboop-> GNU\colossus, ????????
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• 2867[21:52:00] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: replaced-url
• 2868[21:52:31] <beepnboop-> replaced-url
• 2869[21:52:40] <beepnboop-> there was sh file i had to run
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• 2872[21:53:22] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: How does that help? We've already done those steps.
• 2873[21:53:52] <beepnboop-> no i didn't
• 2874[21:53:59] <beepnboop-> because i'm using ts right now
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• 2876[21:54:24] <beepnboop-> sh ts3client_runscript.sh
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• 2884[21:56:54] <petn-randall> beepnboop-: So TS3 works now for you?
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• 2887[21:57:16] <beepnboop-> linux mint to the rescue..
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• 2890[21:57:42] <beepnboop-> yeah that was the solution and it was in the front page of google
• 2891[21:57:48] <beepnboop-> duckduckgo is useless
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• 2894[21:59:20] <beepnboop-> anyway if anyone asks this again give them that link
• 2895[21:59:36] <beepnboop-> thank you guys for your patience with noob ass
• 2896[21:59:47] <beepnboop-> with my noob ass
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• 2898[22:00:59] <AK> so by default (not expert mode) where debian installs root? My friend is having issues networking connectivity. so I wanna chroot into her system
• 2899[22:01:23] <AK> she has got /dev/sda{1,2,5}
• 2900[22:01:37] <AK> I'm on video call with her.
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• 2904[22:02:12] <petn-randall> AK: just check the filesystems for their contents. It depends on various things.
• 2905[22:02:20] <petn-randall> AK: Is the network failing on wifi?
• 2906[22:02:56] <AK> yeah
• 2907[22:03:12] <AK> I asked her to connect though ethernet
• 2908[22:03:16] <AK> but no success
• 2909[22:03:32] <somiaj> If you have already done past the pick partition stage I belive the installer puts everything in /target, but I think the network stage is before this.
• 2910[22:03:48] <AK> I asked her to not install bloatware, and she selected only system tools
• 2911[22:03:52] <somiaj> You could try to unoffical non-free installer with firmware (sometimes fixxesthe issue)
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• 2913[22:04:10] <AK> somiaj: that's not the issue
• 2914[22:04:17] <AK> network is okay in installaiton mode
• 2915[22:04:51] <AK> and what should be mounted to /target? that's all I wanna know
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• 2917[22:05:08] <somiaj> so the install has already been completed, but when rebooting into the running system it doens't work, and you are trying to rescue the system with the installer?
• 2918[22:05:23] <AK> oh
• 2919[22:05:28] <AK> lemme clear it
• 2920[22:05:32] <somiaj> /target = / (root file system of the install)
• 2921[22:05:44] <AK> she is in another country
• 2922[22:05:45] <somiaj> if you just want to rescue the install, you should boot the installer in 'rescue mode' not in expert mode.
• 2923[22:06:15] <AK> omg you've got 4 eyes but please read it first
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• 2925[22:06:29] <AK> she had no internet
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• 2927[22:07:03] <whislock> AK: Leave your attitude outside the channel, please.
• 2928[22:07:08] <AK> I did ask her to do "echo "nameserver 8888" >> /etc/resolv.conf
• 2929[22:07:42] <AK> whislock: ask yourself what attitude really stands for.
• 2930[22:07:51] <AK> and I didn't even talk to you
• 2931[22:08:03] <whislock> Given that it's a word, not an abbreviation or initialism, it doesn't stand for anything.
• 2932[22:08:09] <whislock> So again: Leave your bad attitude outside the channel.
• 2933[22:08:11] <AK> still she is having name resolution error
• 2934[22:08:45] <AK> so I asked her to do rescue mode.
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• 2936[22:09:05] <AK> now her netowrk is okay in installer.
• 2937[22:09:19] <AK> all I wanna know where is the root we installed
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• 2940[22:09:37] <somiaj> You will have to manually check which file system it was on, I would guest /dev/sda2, but check first.
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• 2942[22:09:53] <AK> so we could mount the root and execute a shell, do install some networking tools and exit
• 2943[22:09:53] <somiaj> s/guest/guess/
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• 2945[22:09:55] <AK> that's it
• 2946[22:10:33] <AK> yeah that's in my mind but she isn't so technical, (couldn't even go to tty2)
• 2947[22:11:23] <AK> btw from other tty we can have an idea where the root is?
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• 2949[22:12:04] <somiaj> yes, you could try 'blkid' see if that gives you any additional info about the partitons, or just mount the partition and look inside of it to see if it is root or not.
• 2950[22:12:06] <AK> There is something called "TAWAKKAL" and I'm gonna do that ;-)
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• 2982[22:34:36] <milkt> i have "stretch" "stretch-updates" "stretch-backports" as distribution in "/etc/apt/sources.list" entry. is there any way to list packages which installed from "stretch-backports"?
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• 2985[22:35:13] <greycat> In theory? No. In practice? They all have "bpo" in their version strings.
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• 2987[22:35:34] <greycat> So just grepping for bpo is enough, usually.
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• 2990[22:36:28] <milkt> thanks for information. also how about stretch-updates? can I list package which is not from stretch, and come from stretch-updates?
• 2991[22:37:17] <greycat> You have switched from past tense to present tense.
• 2992[22:37:36] <greycat> You cannot tell where a package CAME from. You can tell where a package is available from NOW.
• 2993[22:37:55] <greycat> apt-cache policy would be one way
• 2994[22:39:23] <milkt> sorry for bad english, and thanks for useful information. will search about it
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• 3050[23:11:16] <SerajewelKS> running update-grub, i get the following warning: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: warning: Couldn't find physical volume `(null)'. Some modules may be missing from core image..
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• 3052[23:11:33] <SerajewelKS> what would cause this, and do i need to be worried about it? any way to increase verbosity so i can tell what's going wrong?
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• 3056[23:15:19] <DammitJim> what is the difference between creating a file and deleting it?
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• 3059[23:15:36] <SerajewelKS> that sounds like the setup for a joke
• 3060[23:15:50] <DammitJim> I'm noticing that my system can write an 8.4GB file in about 4 seconds, but it's taking the system 40 seconds to delete it
• 3061[23:16:03] <DammitJim> no, no joke here... I'm actually very confused
• 3062[23:16:53] <joepublic> deleting it involves marking all its sectors as unused, one at the time
• 3063[23:17:23] <joepublic> creating it might just be stuffing 8gb into a ram buffer and telling you "done" and then writing to disk bit by bit
• 3064[23:17:41] <joepublic> "might" here is intended to connote "I don't really know"
• 3065[23:17:50] <DammitJim> oh gosh, are you trying to say the system lies to me?
• 3066[23:18:45] <xand> depends on filesystem and underlying storage
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• 3069[23:19:01] <joepublic> It's for your own good
• 3070[23:19:05] <xand> also file content
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• 3073[23:19:31] <DammitJim> xand, exactly... underlying storage
• 3074[23:19:42] <DammitJim> this freaking all flash array SAN is driving me nuts
• 3075[23:20:05] <DammitJim> my regular server with local storage can write/delete faster than the san
• 3076[23:21:30] <joepublic> The more memory you have, the less that "All done" signal has to do with whether writes are finished.
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• 3078[23:21:58] <joepublic> the "sync" command commits all pending writes to disk and then returns
• 3079[23:21:59] <GumShoe> FWIW I found a blog post on restic from an author I respect replaced-url
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• 3083[23:24:54] <xand> DammitJim: the SAN will probably be quicker when there's lots of different stuff going on though
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• 3085[23:25:27] <aaii> why when i run ifconfig command i faced to "zsh: command not found: ifconfig" ?
• 3086[23:25:33] <aaii> whats wrong?
• 3087[23:25:38] <xand> aaii: use ip
• 3088[23:25:46] <xand> ifconfig is deprecated so not installed.
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• 3092[23:26:12] <joepublic> perhaps try typing "ip addr" instead
• 3093[23:26:14] <jordanm> it probably is installed, but it's in /sbin, which isn't in user's paths by default
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• 3095[23:26:31] <GumShoe> @aaii 'ip address'
• 3096[23:26:43] <aaii> xand, in debian is deprecated or in most distro?
• 3097[23:27:05] <xand> aaii: all linux distros AFAIK
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• 3099[23:27:07] <jordanm> aaii: it's been deprecated in linux as a whole for nearly 10 years
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• 3101[23:27:49] <aaii> :| so How i used it 1 year ago ?:D
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• 3103[23:28:06] <xand> deprecated doesn't mean it's completely unavailable
• 3104[23:28:12] <xand> just that you shouldn't use it
• 3105[23:28:16] <xand> or rely on it
• 3106[23:28:37] <aaii> xand, why?
• 3107[23:28:48] <xand> it doesn't work properly
• 3108[23:29:04] <xand> example: it doesn't support multiple IPv4 addresses on the same interface
• 3109[23:29:30] <xand> also can't handle some kinds of network adaptor properly. e.g. infiniband
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• 3113[23:30:42] <aaii> xand, GumShoe , jordanm, thank you
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• 3116[23:31:20] <aaii> joepublic, thank you too
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• 3126[23:34:01] <t3st3r> <DammitJim> Filesystems could have different performance for different metadata operations, etc.
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• 3129[23:34:54] <t3st3r> When file created filesystem only have to add some very basic info like fact it exists. When you write it, it would add some extents and write it up.
• 3130[23:35:08] <t3st3r> On deletion all that have to be cleaned up to allow space reclaim.
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• 3147[23:49:22] <aaii> xand, what about 'netstat' command?
• 3148[23:50:22] <joepublic> sudo netstat?
• 3149[23:51:04] <joepublic> oh, wait, I think it's in net-tools
• 3150[23:51:05] <aaii> oh maybe
• 3151[23:51:40] <aaii> joepublic, so , how i can call this command :|
• 3152[23:52:31] <joepublic> you will want to apt install net-tools
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• 3154[23:52:35] <joepublic> which makes netstat available
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• 3156[23:53:33] <aaii> joepublic, thank you again
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• 3159[23:54:37] <squadguy> Can anyone recommend a terminal based application for tracking time that can be found in apt?
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