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• 3[00:00:30] <ryouma> rwp: yeah i just noticed that. and there is no reason why it should afaik. i do not pin. i do not run much from backports.
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• 5[00:00:43] <rwp> As I recall the backports repository sets a preference by some config I do not recall so that it must be asked for specifically. apt-get -t stretch-backports install ...
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• 7[00:01:30] <ryouma> right
• 8[00:01:39] <rwp> Well... I don't know. And you say it is not misbehaving now. Which makes it hard to troubleshoot a problem which is not active at the moment.
• 9[00:01:52] <rwp> Next time it happens then at that time jump in and debug it.
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• 11[00:02:13] <ryouma> i thought the problem was that stuff should be installed and upgraded and removed, but is not
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• 13[00:02:26] <ryouma> what's teh search term for what i have in backports?
• 14[00:02:54] <ryouma> ah got it
• 15[00:02:59] <ryouma> aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F '%100p'
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• 19[00:04:37] <ryouma> 13 packages from backports; all but one are video libs
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• 22[00:05:04] <ryouma> (the other being youtube-dl)
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• 30[00:09:19] <olric> hi is there any app fore freezing computer in any state for security reason ?
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• 32[00:09:27] <olric> in linux or debian
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• 34[00:10:39] <blackflow> olric: not sure what you're asking
• 35[00:10:54] <BCMM> olric: freezing as in storing the state of the computer in an image or some such? or as in making it impossible to change certain aspects of the system?
• 36[00:11:03] <ryouma> the only thing i can think of that would have changed apt-get since it said it wanted to do a lot was to c-z it and run a few commands like apt-policy then fg
• 37[00:11:04] <olric> deepfreez
• 38[00:11:16] <olric> replaced-url
• 39[00:12:34] <BCMM> olric: kind of a vaguely-written advert, but perhaps a read-only root filesystem would do what you want?
• 40[00:12:39] <olric> i am playing a lot pdf ppt file and browsing a lot i assumed it could solve my problem at some point
• 41[00:13:07] <olric> thanks BCMM i will for that
• 42[00:13:18] <rwp> There are also LVM snapshots that people use for such things too. But not trivial to administer.
• 43[00:13:19] <BCMM> olric: have a look at replaced-url
• 44[00:13:52] <BCMM> olric: with overlayroot, you can change any files you want, but those changes will be lost at reboot
• 45[00:14:01] <ryouma> a read-only root filesystem would have to be booted, which would require grub monkeying or a separate disk, but would solve it. but it would also require fixing fstab etc.
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• 47[00:14:15] <blackflow> olric: with one huge caveat, you can never trust that an exploit didn't do something to compromise you completely, despite any snapshots or backups that you have. closest thing to that behavior is to run in a VM and manage VM snapshots from the host side, so the in-VM kernel has no clue about them.
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• 49[00:14:52] <blackflow> (though VMs are _not_ security risk free either and hosts can be pwned too)
• 50[00:15:05] <olric> VM takes a lot of ram is there any low-cost OS youu can suggest
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• 55[00:15:53] <olric> i was using qubes os but it hard for daily users to adapt it
• 56[00:16:07] <BCMM> olric: actually, looks like fsprotect or bilibop-lockfs are better answers since they are packaged in debian
• 57[00:16:24] <blackflow> despite the hype, qubes is one of the more vulnerable ones being it relies on xen and qemu which, this year alone, have had a plethora of host-pwning vulns.
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• 62[00:17:00] <victorqueiroz> My system is freezing sometimes. Would you guys know why is that happening? This is dmesg output: replaced-url
• 63[00:17:12] <n4dir> olric: what do you want to do in the VM? that is: what do you expect from the OS?
• 64[00:17:24] <blackflow> olric: if not with a VM, you can try btrfs or ZFS and use their snapshot capabilities and boot environments to restore a snapshot on boot
• 65[00:17:47] <BCMM> ryouma: there are pre-existing solutions for read-only root. they usually work with an initramfs, no weird stuff needed in grub
• 66[00:17:50] <olric> libreofffice pdf browsing
• 67[00:18:27] <n4dir> well. they are heavy on their own. not sure how much the OS matters then.
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• 69[00:18:30] <ryouma> BCMM: itneresting. but the partition or fs uuid will be different, at teh very least, i presume?
• 70[00:18:40] <blackflow> read-only root requires careful configuration, or else you'll have to mount /var and friends on a rw path
• 71[00:18:48] <BCMM> (also, in a non-initramfs setup, the root is ordinarily mounted read-only early in boot anyway. the init system is responsible for remounting it rw later.)
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• 73[00:19:22] <Sander^work> Which email servers use encrypted socket?
• 74[00:19:33] <blackflow> all of them?
• 75[00:20:18] <Sander^work> Whats the right email server for a noob?
• 76[00:20:41] <blackflow> I'd say Postfix.
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• 78[00:21:07] <Sander^work> blackflow, its so damn many hard questions to answer when configuring it.
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• 80[00:21:47] <blackflow> Sander^work: unfortunately, running a mail server requires knowledge and experience.
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• 82[00:22:25] <blackflow> postfix being "right for a noob" is in its clean configuration, sane defaults, privilege separation and easy to understand paradigms.
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• 84[00:23:26] <Sander^work> blackflow, whats the minimum I need to configure?
• 85[00:23:34] <blackflow> Sander^work: for what purpose?
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• 87[00:24:13] <blackflow> the installation menu will ask you to choose a purpose so that installs the minimum for given purpos
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• 92[00:24:41] <SanchoPensa> Hey, guys!
• 93[00:24:47] <blackflow> (though not completely, you'd still want a non-snakeoil TLS cert)
• 94[00:25:20] <Sander^work> blackflow, I'm trying to create a way of mailing myself when a security update is available, with apticron or with a notification sceem on irc.
• 95[00:25:22] <SanchoPensa> I have a problem of the tricky kind: Today I reinstalled my debian, and ever since, I cannot seem to mount two of my hard disks, gives me a bad superblock error:
• 96[00:25:59] <SanchoPensa> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
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• 99[00:26:14] <blackflow> Sander^work: do you have, say, a gmail account?
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• 101[00:26:25] <SanchoPensa> dmesg says: [ 4575.356801] EXT4-fs (sdb1): couldn't mount RDWR because of unsupported optional features (400)
• 102[00:26:37] <Sander^work> blackflow, how come?
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• 104[00:26:43] <Truxx> SanchoPensa: Hey SanchoPensa!
• 105[00:27:07] <Sander^work> yes, facebook whould also work as a safe email:)
• 106[00:27:09] <SanchoPensa> according to some support pages, I should restore a different superblock, but that attempt gives me a really weird error:
• 107[00:27:17] <SanchoPensa> hey, Truxx
• 108[00:27:19] <blackflow> Sander^work: because if you do, then instead of running a whole mail SERVER, you can instead use dma (Dragonfy Mail Agent) and configure it to use your gmail directly
• 109[00:27:37] <SanchoPensa> e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1
• 110[00:27:47] <blackflow> Sander^work: of course, gmail is just an exmaple here. it works with any external mail account you can access via smtp/submission, like gmail.
• 111[00:27:51] <SanchoPensa> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
• 112[00:27:58] <SanchoPensa> it is not an ext2 but an ext4
• 113[00:28:02] <SanchoPensa> what am I missing?
• 114[00:28:29] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: how did you create the filesystem?
• 115[00:28:49] <BCMM> and have you successfully mounted it before on the same system?
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• 117[00:29:02] <Sander^work> blackflow, Means I need to follow gmail's spam requirements?
• 118[00:29:04] <BCMM> usually that would mean you're using an old filesystem driver and a new mkfs
• 119[00:29:21] <blackflow> Sander^work: why wouldn't you, if apticron is ALL you need notifications from? :)
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• 121[00:30:04] <blackflow> Sander^work: meanwhile, no if you're talking about SPF, DKIM, DMARC, etc... because you wouldn't be running an MTA. dma can login to gmail using your credentials and use gmail to send mail to yourself
• 122[00:30:27] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: i believe with gparted?
• 123[00:30:46] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: i mean, did you create it using a different distribution or something?
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• 125[00:30:47] <Sander^work> blackflow, ah, so thats the diffrence between an MTA and a dma?
• 126[00:31:30] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: which is perfectly possible, as I just installed debian 7.11 but hat 8.something running previously.
• 127[00:31:30] <SanchoPensa> The reason, why I did this, is, because, my graphics adapter is so old, that a fresh install would not recon it any longer...
• 128[00:31:33] <Sander^work> blackflow, I dont want to use someone elses spam filter.
• 129[00:31:37] <blackflow> Sander^work: an MTA is a whole server that queues, routes, sends, receives mail. dma is just a submission daemon that requires an MTA (in this case, say, your own gmail) to send actual mail
• 130[00:31:58] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: ah well, that'll be the problem then
• 131[00:32:26] <Sander^work> blackflow, which email servers have both options?
• 132[00:32:30] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: are you basically suggesting to swap the nouveau driver for a legacy nvidia one, and then to upgrade, and everything should be fine again?
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• 134[00:33:01] <blackflow> Sander^work: Postfix can do that too. But, again, no need to install and configure the whole Postfix suite, if all you want is to mail yourself some apticron outputs.
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• 137[00:33:11] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: the problem is that your filesystem includes a feature that isn't supported by your ext4 driver, because your ext4 driver is really really old
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• 139[00:33:23] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: you could probably use tune2fs to disable that optional feature
• 140[00:33:39] <BCMM> but this is a symptom of using a really, really old distro, and you are going to run in to more problems
• 141[00:33:39] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: roger that. so, is the only way to fix it to upgrade my os?
• 142[00:33:56] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: nice one! and how do I find out the featue?
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• 145[00:34:59] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: replaced-url
• 146[00:35:20] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: but i really wouldn't recommend running an ancient OS, unless this is some sort of special-purpose computer
• 147[00:35:44] <BCMM> if this is a general-purpose desktop machine, you're going to get pwned because you're running an unsupported web browser, for example
• 148[00:36:16] <Sander^work> blackflow, I do want the privilege to spam someone else.
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• 150[00:36:38] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: if you're running an OS which doesn't get any security updates, you need to make sure you're aware of what that entails
• 151[00:36:43] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: well it used to be my workhorse, it is mainly going to be a smb server in the future...
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• 153[00:36:53] <blackflow> Sander^work: you can always pipe your mail to /dev/null. Fastest MTA on the planet.
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• 156[00:37:11] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: I am, bro, I am. :) but thanks for your concern. :)
• 157[00:37:12] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: i hope you don't need it to work with Windows 10 (seeing as how samba will also be ancient)
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• 162[00:37:46] <SanchoPensa> I CAN upgrade, but I#d have to swap the nouveau driver for a nvidia one in order to...
• 163[00:38:00] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: no worries there, all Linux in the net. :D
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• 165[00:38:35] <Sander^work> blackflow, how does that work?
• 166[00:38:39] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: currently there are still security updates available for 7.11 frm what I could see, it is from 2016...
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• 168[00:39:20] <Sander^work> blackflow, I do want to have my personal MTA to play with:)
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• 170[00:39:37] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: where are you seeing that? replaced-url
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• 176[00:40:16] <Sander^work> blackflow, I want it on my raspberry pi, is postfix still the best one to use?
• 177[00:40:17] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: oh! i see! :D thanks for that, bro
• 178[00:40:32] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: so nvidia and dist-upgrade it is, then...
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• 180[00:41:10] <blackflow> Sander^work: you're clearly not serious, or if you are, then you shall receive no help from me to set up a spam box. In any case, I've got better things to do. bye.
• 181[00:41:16] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: i just had a look into tune2fs man pages, to see what features can be changed. Have you any suggestion, how to find out, which is the feature in question?
• 182[00:41:39] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: see the stackexchange comment i linked replaced-url
• 183[00:41:54] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: will do, thanks, bro
• 184[00:41:59] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: they're defined in ext2_fs.h
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• 189[00:42:58] <Sander^work> blackflow, I do want to create some pieace of software to spam intentionally to eather irc or mail.
• 190[00:43:27] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: I just tried the instructions, gives me a bad superblock error again...
• 191[00:43:57] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: tune2fs: Filesystem has unsupported read-only feature(s) while trying to open /dev/sdb1
• 192[00:44:04] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: how are you running tune2fs? i think you'll want to run that from a modern distro
• 193[00:44:08] <SanchoPensa> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
• 194[00:44:48] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: oh! well, if I have a modern distro installed, I can leve it away, cos that should be able to read them disks, right...?
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• 196[00:44:52] <Sander^work> blackflow, I know the drill of getting blacklisted all the time, back and forth.
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• 198[00:45:29] <BCMM> SanchoPensa: yes. afaik the entire problem is that your distro is too old to support a feature that was enabled on the filesystem when it was created
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• 200[00:46:00] <Sander^work> Still wondering how much muscles I need to have to operate my own MTA:)
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• 202[00:46:08] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: I will fix the graphics problem, then upgrade, and then check again. Thank you for your assistance, bro, appreciate it!
• 203[00:46:14] <BCMM> good luck
• 204[00:46:37] <SanchoPensa> BCMM: luck has nothing to do with it, fortunately, but thanks, though. >:)
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• 206[00:47:00] <Sander^work> blackflow, can you forgive me of playling like a noob?
• 207[00:47:33] <SanchoPensa> and I think, I'll take nfs, not samba
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• 210[00:49:48] <Sander^work> I did operate a MTA once, and I think I configured a few one without remembering how I did it with postfix.
• 211[00:50:05] <Sander^work> in a upgrade process.
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• 213[00:51:09] <Sander^work> I'm so noob at understanding all postfix configuration options.
• 214[00:51:33] <Sander^work> blackflow, thank you so much for explaining the diffrence between MTA and dma:)
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• 219[00:54:14] <Sander^work> anyone got an article explaining how to use postfix?
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• 257[01:21:15] <ryouma> this site is great. but ... blue on black? replaced-url
• 258[01:22:01] <mutante> ryouma: blue on white? do you have a browser extension for "NIght Mode" or so :)
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• 266[01:27:23] <ryouma> yeah it glitched and didn't change the bg. have yet to install a good one that doesn't have a binary blob.
• 267[01:28:01] <ryouma> blue is a bad choice because many people will use dark bg, but it's quite common too :(
• 268[01:28:36] <j0seph> Hi all. If I want to update to the latest kernel from stretch backports, then will simply installing the "linux-image-amd64" and "linux-headers-amd64" packages make sure I always stay up to date with the latest backported kernel?
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• 273[01:32:50] <victorqueiroz> My system is freezing sometimes. Would you guys know why is that happening? This is dmesg output: replaced-url
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• 297[01:46:33] <millican> I'm stumped on getting the Alt+F2 to work. (to open a dialog to run a program)
• 298[01:46:37] <millican> in Debian 9
• 299[01:47:25] <epicmetal> millican: depends on DE/WM
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• 302[01:48:03] <millican> openbox
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• 304[01:48:58] <BCMM> ryouma: that's an rss feed. any formatting is from your client
• 305[01:49:42] <mason> millican: In your .config/openbox/rc.xml, add a keybind to the <keyboard> section that does it.
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• 307[01:50:14] <mason> millican: Here's the launcher I use: replaced-url
• 308[01:50:24] <millican> thanks. I'll check on that.
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• 312[01:53:06] <phogg> when in doubt xbindkeys is your friend
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• 315[01:54:52] <mason> If he's already running Openbox, might as well not run additional software to reproduce built-in functionality.
• 316[01:54:55] <millican> got it. thanks guys.
• 317[01:55:09] <mason> Gotta think of the carbon footprint.
• 318[01:55:11] <millican> I never looked at rc.xml
• 319[01:55:28] <mason> millican: It's XML, and hence ugly, but it's flexible and useful.
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• 321[01:56:05] <phogg> mason: That's one way to look at it. I look at it like this: Why learn and re-learn a different way of doing key bindings every time you switch WMs? Decouple keys from window management and win forever.
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• 324[01:56:34] <mason> phogg: I look at it like this: Once you're running Openbox, why switch? I've been using it on different OSes for a long long time now.
• 325[01:56:35] <phogg> these days with wmctrl and the like it's rare to find WM-specific functions you need to invoke and can't
• 326[01:56:52] <millican> I'm not opposed to xbindkeys, just thought this shortcut worked "out of the box".
• 327[01:57:01] <altker128> Hey guys. If I use a Debian LiveCD image on a USB-pendrive, and place a file on the USB drive (i.e. myfile.txt) is that accessible via some mount in the LiveCD environment?
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• 329[01:57:08] <joepublic> millican, depends on the "box" :)
• 330[01:57:13] <phogg> mason: To be fair I've been running e16 since 2000 and also use its built in keybinding mechanism... but only because it came with a GUI configurator.
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• 332[01:57:42] <phogg> For *new* bindings in the last decade I use xbindkeys
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• 334[01:58:01] <mason> Recently I thought I'd been running Openbox longer, but evidently it's not as old as I thought. I ran TWM before that. Change is bad.
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• 337[01:58:08] <joepublic> I am an amateur compared to you guys, running Autokey to bind keys across environments
• 338[01:58:11] * phogg nods
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• 340[01:58:50] <phogg> mason: twm is a harsh mistress. Switching to afterstep was a pleasant sidegrade.
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• 343[01:59:25] <phogg> The longer I do this the more I think integrated environments are crazy. I'd rather duct tape toolboxes together.
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• 346[01:59:30] <mason> Yeah.
• 347[01:59:51] <altker128> Anyone know if Debian LiveCD includes gparted?
• 348[01:59:53] <millican> altker128: I'd assume the file would be accessible, but don't know where it would be exactly.
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• 350[02:00:21] <altker128> millican: Yeah, that was my thought too. Kali Linux (just happend to have it around) exposes the USB filesystem via /var/lib/mount/ or something
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• 354[02:01:39] <BCMM> altker128: replaced-url
• 355[02:01:42] <BCMM> parted is there though
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• 357[02:01:54] <altker128> BCMM: OK, thanks for checking!
• 358[02:02:17] <BCMM> altker128: it's not really a rescue system
• 359[02:02:19] <joepublic> I suppose copying a distinctive file and then booting the usb stick and running the find command would be a definitive answer
• 360[02:03:02] <altker128> joepublic: Yeah, pretty much to that point
• 361[02:03:10] <altker128> Trying sysreccd as well
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• 363[02:03:23] <joepublic> system rescue cd does have gparted
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• 366[02:03:50] <BCMM> yeah, it definitely does
• 367[02:04:08] <altker128> it has gparted for sure
• 368[02:04:14] <altker128> just not sure about the filesystem mounting thing
• 369[02:04:29] <BCMM> is there a debian-based equivalent to sysresccd, now that grml seems to be semi-abandoned?
• 370[02:04:51] <altker128> BCMM: I'm curious too!
• 371[02:05:45] <altker128> So, on sysreccd it seems like /livemnt/boot gives me access to the USB drive's filesystem
• 372[02:06:09] <BCMM> yup. and you can remount that rw and save data there if you want to
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• 457[03:16:29] <awal1> how to exclude libs when searching with aptitude/apt-cache/apt?
• 458[03:18:07] <mutante> | grep -v ^lib
• 459[03:18:14] <mutante> ? eh..just a silly idea
• 460[03:18:26] <mutante> but since they all start with lib* , kinda works
• 461[03:18:32] <ryouma> libreoffice
• 462[03:19:06] <mutante> still fulfills teh requirement of excluding all libs ;) *gg*
• 463[03:19:15] <ryouma> you also want oldlibs and whatever the devel libs are excluded
• 464[03:19:24] <ryouma> does that mean grin?
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• 466[03:21:36] <mutante> ryouma: yea, it was meant to be a modifier for "not entirely serious", you got a point. not sure what the better answer is
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• 471[03:23:35] <awal1> mutante, nice :) thanks
• 472[03:23:55] <awal1> I missed -v grep argument :)
• 473[03:24:46] <mutante> heh, ok, cool
• 474[03:24:54] <ryouma> there is a table for aptitude that shows all the syntax. and then there are the sections for libs oldlibs etc.
• 475[03:25:08] <ryouma> so you find the syntax for sections
• 476[03:25:19] <ryouma> not(whatever)
• 477[03:25:42] <ryouma> i hate arbitrary syntax and wish everythign were sexps
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• 499[03:34:03] <awal1> ryouma, you refer to "search ~ssection"?
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• 503[03:35:30] <ryouma> awal1: probably
• 504[03:36:03] <ryouma> but note that i do aptitude markauto '~sdev' '~slibs' '~slibdevel' '~soldlibs' '~sperl' '~spython' which is highly suboptimal
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• 506[03:36:25] <ryouma> so there might be somethinb etter
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• 510[03:38:28] <awal1> in fact I already have this replaced-url
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• 515[03:39:08] <awal1> "~section" is for search the specified section. my goal is to exclude
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• 517[03:39:49] <kre10s> lol. search all then in libs and do a diff?
• 518[03:41:14] <awal1> :)
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• 527[03:42:38] <unfo> Hi all! I'm running 32-bit mixed oldstable + stable. The freeware self-control tool "Pluckeye" always segfaults when I run "pluck add 'Sometimes 0900-0901&0800-0801 Blackout'".
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• 529[03:42:41] <unfo> The backtrace looks wrong: replaced-url
• 530[03:42:44] <unfo> Am I missing some necessary symbol files? I do have libc6-dbg installed.
• 531[03:43:11] <awal1> | grep -v ^something looks like fine for now, anyway
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• 533[03:43:46] <unfo> Here are two lines from the backtrace. (I hope I'm not being too chatty.)
• 534[03:43:46] <unfo> #0 __memmove_ia32 () at ../sysdeps/i386/i686/multiarch/../memmove.S:103
• 535[03:43:46] <unfo> #1 0x08069e50 in ?? ()
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• 538[03:44:24] <unfo> Maybe the reason why my backtrace looks so weird is because memmove.S is hand-optimized assembly (not C)?
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• 540[03:45:08] <unfo> I definitely don't have symbols for Pluckeye. The developer doesn't release symbols to the public.
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• 558[03:54:32] <awal1> I think I need something like "aptitude search foo '!-d"lib"'"
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• 561[03:55:19] <whiskey_soda> Hey guys, anyone using ReaR for backups around here?
• 562[03:55:21] <awal1> "lib", "library" and similar stuff
• 563[03:55:41] <unfo> whiskey_soda: Hi! Why do you ask?
• 564[03:57:14] <awal1> ryouma, mutante, we missed ! which is intended to exclude if my research is correct :P
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• 566[03:57:37] <whiskey_soda> Hey unfo! I've been writing a script for backing up my server and I've run into a strange situation where the rear mkbackup will work only when I've run from the command line but not when the script is running as a chron job and I cant seem to figure out why
• 567[03:58:19] <unfo> whiskey_soda: OK thanks for providing more info!
• 568[03:58:19] <unfo> Can anyone help whiskey_soda?
• 569[03:58:26] <unfo> I've never used ReaR.
• 570[03:59:08] <whiskey_soda> It's a tool to back up your computer as a bootable iso from it's current state
• 571[03:59:35] <whiskey_soda> So far I really like it
• 572[04:01:20] <unfo> whiskey_soda: you want your server to be a bootable .iso file?
• 573[04:01:52] <whiskey_soda> unfo: yep, for recovery purposes
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• 575[04:02:48] <unfo> whiskey_soda: I generally never back up any machine. Are ReaR's backups atomic?
• 576[04:03:09] <watchcat> hm, i bet that would work with drivedroid on a cellphone.
• 577[04:03:26] <unfo> drivedroid is cool.
• 578[04:03:55] <whiskey_soda> unfo: I'm not sure, had to look up what that was
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• 582[04:05:30] <unfo> watchcat: I once ran Debian on an old Samsung Galaxy S Relay with Android 4.x "KitKat" and a built-in physical keyboard.
• 583[04:05:30] <unfo> Even nowadays, you could run "GNURoot Debian" or "AnLinux" or similar on a modern BlackBerry Priv or Key2.
• 584[04:06:14] <unfo> whiskey_soda: can you shut down the machine and run ReaR from a live CD? then the backup of your server will definitely be atomic.
• 585[04:06:34] <whiskey_soda> watchcat: I think it might be possible if you could somehow package the backup in the iso itself
• 586[04:07:48] <watchcat> thanks for mentioning ReaR. i'll look into it.
• 587[04:08:16] <whiskey_soda> unfo: I believe it's possible but last time i used it for recovery I had the back up itself on another file system and it read from there with the live cd
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• 593[04:11:35] <simbalion> The nvidia packages in stretch-backports are broken
• 594[04:11:47] <simbalion> they've got = dependencies which are the wrong versions
• 595[04:12:01] <simbalion> so it says requires 390 but 396 is to be installed
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• 597[04:13:26] <simbalion> and the packages in experimental seem to depend on a version of glx-alternatives-nvidia which is not available at all?
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• 600[04:14:50] <ryouma> awal1: see scrollback :)
• 601[04:15:09] <ryouma> there are 2 syntaxes
• 602[04:15:19] <ryouma> i'm a long options kinda guy
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• 622[04:34:15] <simbalion> Is it usual for packages to be accepted into the repo with dependencies that don't exist?
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• 624[04:34:34] <simbalion> *experimental repo
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• 636[04:54:24] <Gigglebyte> Can someone provide enlightenment with respect to the correct way to create a user account. I attempted to follow the instructions found here replaced-url
• 637[04:55:52] <mutante> Gigglebyte: i would use "adduser", fewer mnaual commands. but also, what is the error
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• 639[04:56:59] <Gigglebyte> can't find user raymond:users
• 640[04:57:20] <mutante> "users" is meant to be an example for a group name
• 641[04:57:59] <mutante> it's not literally "users" unless you made a group like that
• 642[04:58:23] <mutante> Gigglebyte: just try "adduser". it should make this easier and interactive
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• 644[04:59:00] <Gigglebyte> mutante> I just did and now will reboot to test the account.
• 645[04:59:05] <Gigglebyte> Thanks for your help.
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• 650[04:59:42] <mutante> lol, why reboot
• 651[04:59:50] <mutante> not even windows needs that for a new user
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• 655[05:03:24] <Gigglebyte> I just tried logging in with the name of the folder we created, and the new password, but the new user couldn't log in. How do I get the new user to show up at login?
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• 659[05:07:41] <c|oneman> is it possible to have some sort of caching on a device with slow hard disks to make the ssh terminal faster
• 660[05:08:38] <c|oneman> many VPS's that i've owned behave strangely, they might do things like take forever to connect but then they are fine. where is the bottleneck
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• 676[05:19:10] <Gigglebyte> I created this account with adduser, and don't know what the user name is. How do I find out the username for the new user that I created? i am attempting to create a guest account for a guest that is staying at our facility.
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• 680[05:20:43] <rwp> Gigglebyte, When you created the account with adduser what name did you tell it to create?
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• 683[05:21:38] <rwp> Gigglebyte, To use adduser to create an account named "guest" as root say "adduser guest" and then answer the questions. Do not reboot. The account is available immediately afterward.
• 684[05:23:00] <Gigglebyte> I used the name raymond instead of guest.
• 685[05:23:13] <rwp> mutante, In the old days of 30 years ago the convention was that all users were in a group called "users" and lots of documentation still talks about it like that. Old school Unix people still think that. But for the last 15 years at least UPG (user private groups) that we have today has been the convention. UPG is an improvement.
• 686[05:23:35] <rwp> Very good Gigglebyte! Then you should be able to log in using the account name raymond and using the password you gave it.
• 687[05:24:01] <Gigglebyte> rwp> How do I recover a lost user name and password. The one I created isn't working.
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• 691[05:25:02] <rwp> You can't recover a password but you can set a new one. Are you using a root shell by "su" to switch user to root? Or are you using "sudo" to get su to do as root?
• 692[05:26:08] <Gigglebyte> rwp> I know my own password. It is the password for the guest that has me concerned. Also, how do I verify the user name of the guest?
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• 694[05:27:29] <rwp> If you are using sudo then "sudo passwd raymond" will ask for your password for sudo and then allow you to change the password for raymond.
• 695[05:27:57] <rwp> If you are using su to root then your prompt will be "#" and you will just say "passwd raymond" to change the password for raymond.
• 696[05:28:06] <rwp> Root has the authority to change any password.
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• 699[05:29:23] <rwp> Accounts created with adduser will have their $HOME in /home and so an easy way to see what accounts exist is to 'ls /home' and look.
• 700[05:30:13] <jim> Gigglebyte, can you log in as any user?
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• 702[05:30:42] <Gigglebyte> jim> Yes, I am logged into my own account.
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• 705[05:31:42] <jim> ok, (background: by default, the name of a user's dir is the same as the username, and you can get a list of many of the home dirs, by doing: ls /home)
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• 853[07:47:25] <aaii> Hi,I have fingerprint scanner in my laptop , but i dont know how i can use this.how i can use this? (package name maybe)
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• 856[07:49:02] <SpeedyG> aaii: i'm not sure as mine wasnt supported a long time but when I was researching, I started looking here: replaced-url
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• 860[07:49:35] <aaii> SpeedyG, thanks for answering, i should try it now :)
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• 873[07:58:00] <Ede|Popede> question: on xfce live, vlc is in the menu, mplayer (after manual installation) not. which party created the entry? vlc/mplayer, xfce or debian? or do i have to trigger this manually?
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• 879[08:05:01] <rwp> Ede|Popede, Entries in the debian menu system need a .freedesktop file installed. I don't know what for mplayer. I recommend mpv myself. but you can hack the vlc version over to mplayer if you wish.
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• 886[08:06:54] <Ede|Popede> rwp: i looked into the contest or what it is called recently. vlc is much more popular than mplayer. now i think i know why. mplayer is literally invisible to most users.
• 887[08:06:55] <towo^work> mplayer is a commandline tool
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• 889[08:07:02] <towo^work> what should it do in the menu?
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• 891[08:07:28] <Ede|Popede> it may let xfce select it as a handler for videos
• 892[08:07:35] <rwp> The mplayer project imploded some time ago. So mostly only forks are active such as mpv.
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• 894[08:08:02] <Ede|Popede> i've seen it yesterday. bad situation
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• 896[08:08:24] <rwp> So actually you want it available in the "open with" menu selection. Gotcha. I have no idea how to do that.
• 897[08:08:29] <Ede|Popede> reminds me of xchat years ago. took some time until hexchat was the clear winner
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• 900[08:08:59] <rwp> xchat has been replaced with hexchat? Why wasn't I notified?
• 901[08:09:38] <Ede|Popede> there is a mime/app dialog which allows selection of any application using a file dialog. and there it's getting weird. mplayer isn't listed if "executables" is selected
• 902[08:10:00] <Ede|Popede> afaik xchat is back in debian without upstream
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• 905[08:10:24] <rwp> If you want to use mplayer why do you care if it is in the menu system? Just run it from the command line. It's point and shoot.
• 906[08:10:40] <Ede|Popede> xchat was inactive more than one time, but one day the forum or what it was was also gone
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• 911[08:12:49] <Ede|Popede> it's enter in mc. which uses its scripts to call the xdg handler (a shell script) which checks the environment and in the case of xfce starts exo-open. which even manages to open .ts files with the player sometimes or in the browser. and has no usable interface to quickly change the list.
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• 913[08:14:18] <Ede|Popede> there are LOTS of mimes belonging to vlc or libreoffice in a default environment. my hack so far is to not even use xdg from mc's config, but my preferred programs. mplayer for media and pdf viewer for pdf and such
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• 920[08:15:58] <Ede|Popede> but that's a dirty hack only. and while browser, terminal, mail and web client have a default setting, there is none for all of media: images, sound, video.
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• 922[08:16:06] <rwp> As long as you are having fun with it then that is what matters. The machine works for us. We don't work for the machine.
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• 925[08:18:12] <Ede|Popede> i have to at least change some settings every time i start that other pc with the live system. and i'll have to do this until i'll be able to install it to an empty disk. and before i do i prefer do know what i'll have to change and look after.
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• 927[08:18:47] <Ede|Popede> because i prefer to have a system like a want and need it from the beginning instead of changing things for the next weeks one by one.
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• 933[08:20:51] <Ede|Popede> and then i also don't like the impression that such situations are considered SEP by all involved parties. that's letting the user outside in the rain together with the cat.
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• 950[08:35:46] <Rembo> hello, is udev patch require reboot?
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• 952[08:36:10] <Ede|Popede> oh. because of the cat? while i was writing about the rain i remembered starbuck.
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• 954[08:36:23] <Ede|Popede> you have a hl on it?
• 955[08:36:52] <Rembo> ?
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• 974[08:44:11] <Wulf> Rembo: shouldn't.
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• 989[08:50:07] <jelly> Rembo, it depends, if the service was restarted during patching then probably no. But udev is built from systemd source these days so if you got new udev you probably got new systemd as well, and if that's your /sbin/init, the safest thing to do there is probably reboot
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• 1033[09:11:56] <z8z> Someone knows about a binary compare GUI application for linux that works well like the one in Total Commander for windows?
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• 1042[09:16:47] <nuxil> z8z, mc :p
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• 1047[09:18:33] <nuxil> z8z, replaced-url
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• 1051[09:19:48] <jelly> mc has a diff for binaries?
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• 1054[09:21:18] <nuxil> no. i sorry. i misread the question a bit. tought he just wanted a replacement for tc.
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• 1061[09:25:34] <nuxil> krusader has a diff function. but it depends on external tool. xxdiff , Kdediff or something.
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• 1063[09:26:18] <z8z> nuxil: It only works for text files
• 1064[09:26:33] <nuxil> oh :\
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• 1066[09:26:52] <z8z> Found this but have no idea if supported or not. Have to check if debian has package too
• 1067[09:26:54] <z8z> replaced-url
• 1068[09:28:11] <nuxil> no idea
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• 1071[09:30:59] <z8z> Good there is
• 1072[09:31:10] <z8z> But it's CLI -_-
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• 1074[09:31:43] <nuxil> sudo apt-get install colordiff
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• 1076[09:31:53] <nuxil> colordiff -y <(xxd foo1.bin) <(xxd foo2.bin)
• 1077[09:31:57] <nuxil> :)
• 1078[09:32:19] <nuxil> replaced-url
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• 1081[09:33:02] <nuxil> and there is Dhex mention in post below
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• 1084[09:33:59] <nuxil> replaced-url
• 1085[09:34:01] <z8z> Jesus.....
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• 1087[09:35:38] <nuxil> hehe :)
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• 1117[09:51:54] <e-Ra> Hi, can someone help me to boot debian from a BIOS/GPT system with /boot on a software raid (metadata 1.2). The installer finishes without any problems but on first boot I get the following error "error: disk mduuid\<UID of the RAID device> not found", then grub rescue
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• 1199[10:30:20] <leibniz> i want a easy bot to run
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• 1202[10:30:55] <at0m> leibniz: for what purpose?
• 1203[10:31:06] <leibniz> idk trivia or weather or something
• 1204[10:31:08] <leibniz> yt
• 1205[10:31:11] <at0m> i guess different bots are good at different things
• 1206[10:31:14] <at0m> ok
• 1207[10:31:17] <leibniz> maybe a tay bot
• 1208[10:31:23] <leibniz> benes
• 1209[10:31:25] <at0m> supybot? idk
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• 1241[10:54:47] <leibniz> Error opening messages logfile (logs/messages.log). Generally, this is because you are running Supybot in a directory you don't have permissions to add files in, or you're running Supybot as a different user than you normal do. The original error was: IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/trev/supybot/logs/messages.log'
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• 1244[10:55:22] <joepublic> nice bot, trev
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• 1306[12:09:24] <HD|Laptop> can I transform *all* swap usage graphs from a pie chart to a graph chart?
• 1307[12:09:52] <HD|Laptop> also, can I overlay graphs, for example CPU Load, IO Load, RAM usage, Swap Usage?
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• 1312[12:12:08] <HD|Laptop> oh sorry, wrong channel.
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• 1350[12:36:48] <fsociety10> hi
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• 1386[13:00:58] <InvisibleRasta> hello guys where can i find the 9.6 iso with iwlwifi drivers included? i once had a link to it but i cant find it in the repos anymore
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• 1401[13:08:59] <spidget> these ones? replaced-url
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• 1416[13:15:12] <InvisibleRasta> spidget: i am not sue cause i downloaded firmware-9.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso thinking it would have the iwlwifi drivers but when the installer loaded it didnt detect the wifi drivers
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• 1426[13:23:18] <InvisibleRasta> anyo11-10 12:ne there?
• 1427[13:23:24] <InvisibleRasta> anyone*
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• 1454[13:41:08] <darxmurf> InvisibleRasta: is you get the drivers on a separate USB key, it will load them during installation
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• 1501[14:17:17] <darxmurf> I have some issues with my audio, I can't play 2 sources anymore at the same time
• 1502[14:17:46] <darxmurf> when youtube is playing a video and I try to launch something on audacious, it says that ALSA is busy
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• 1513[14:23:31] <furrymcgee> what did you change when it stopped playing 2 sources
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• 1517[14:24:21] <darxmurf> hmm nothing except maybe apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade
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• 1519[14:26:06] <darxmurf> I don't have any asound.conf file, I should have one no ?
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• 1522[14:28:28] <darxmurf> weird, all the things I find on the web sound like "complicated"
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• 1525[14:30:59] <furrymcgee> is this only with your browser as a audio source?
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• 1541[14:41:18] <darxmurf> I'll try that asap
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• 1548[14:44:03] <darxmurf> same issue when I play something with audacious and then I open a MP3 with vlc
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• 1552[14:49:07] <furrymcgee> hm I dont know maybe someone else or you could ask in #alsa
• 1553[14:49:26] <darxmurf> okay
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• 1562[14:58:43] <nuxil> hi..
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• 1567[15:01:09] <nuxil> stupid me.. i managed to remove my sound., "i was follow some idiotic guid" i rand the command pulsaudio -k and now there is no more sound.
• 1568[15:01:29] <nuxil> now do i get my sound back?
• 1569[15:01:57] <trysten> nuxil: you can always reboot. But try systemctl restart pulseaudio
• 1570[15:02:07] <nuxil> i have rebooted
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• 1572[15:02:54] <nuxil> Failed to restart pulseaudio.service: Unit pulseaudio.service not found.
• 1573[15:03:02] <nuxil> i think maybe my system uses alsa?
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• 1576[15:04:45] <trysten> If 'pulseaudio -k' was the problem, rebooting would have fixed it.
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• 1578[15:05:45] <nuxil> well. i have rebooted. and my speaker icon on the panel in my kde shows now sound. and when i go into the settings. its there is no sound card listed.
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• 1583[15:06:35] <nuxil> *shows "no" sound
• 1584[15:06:44] <furrymcgee> you dont need both alsa and pulseaudio
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• 1587[15:07:08] <cryptodan> doesnt alsa provide the driver for the audio card?
• 1588[15:07:19] <nuxil> well. i dont know what my system uses. i just googled linux discord cracking sound.
• 1589[15:07:25] <nuxil> and i tried to follow this guide replaced-url
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• 1591[15:07:42] <cryptodan> nuxil: tried using something lighter then kde?
• 1592[15:07:52] <trysten> cryptodan: incorrect answer
• 1593[15:08:08] <trysten> nuxil: run 'speaker-test'
• 1594[15:08:22] <cryptodan> why is it incorrect?
• 1595[15:08:54] <trysten> cryptodan: sorry if that was curt. What I mean is don't be making suggestions without even trying to fix the problem. It likely has little/nothing to do with KDE
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• 1598[15:09:06] <nuxil> cryptodan, well. gnome3 can go suck it. and no im happy with kde as my desktop.. have tried mate|xfce etc. have lubuntu running on a old pc tho.
• 1599[15:09:13] <trysten> aaaaaand that's why
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• 1601[15:09:42] <nuxil> *now happy
• 1602[15:09:42] <cryptodan> and did you experience the crackling there on the lighter end desktops
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• 1604[15:10:45] <nuxil> dude. seriousely.. im not gonna go swap DE just cos a app is making cracking sound. i like kde. so i will try and find a solution to the problem. however i kind of messed it up.
• 1605[15:10:53] <trysten> nuxil: did you make the 'tsched=0' modification?
• 1606[15:10:58] <cryptodan> okay fine
• 1607[15:11:22] <trysten> cryptodan: see? incorrect answer :P
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• 1610[15:11:37] <trysten> cryptodan: I'm not trying to be rude, but I feel rude.
• 1611[15:11:47] <nuxil> trysten, yes at the end of my /etc/pulse/default file i added: load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0
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• 1613[15:12:01] <trysten> nuxil: undo the changes you made before it stopped working -.-
• 1614[15:12:02] <nuxil> rand pulsaudio -k and restarted
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• 1616[15:12:09] <nuxil> and sound gone
• 1617[15:12:41] <nuxil> i'll tey remove that line and do a reboot
• 1618[15:12:46] <nuxil> *try
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• 1623[15:14:49] <nuxil> yes.. now sound back again with , pulseaudio --start . seams like it dont like load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0
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• 1627[15:16:12] <Tazmain> Hi all, I am using a debian stretch-slim docker container, how do I enable cron logs ?
• 1628[15:16:22] <Tazmain> I can't seem to find any config file or syslog file
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• 1645[15:31:21] <gusnan> Any Quassel-users here? There isn't any GTK client, right?
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• 1649[15:34:13] <trysten> gusnan: no, it is Qt
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• 1651[15:34:40] <gusnan> trysten: thanks. Too bad.
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• 1654[15:36:09] <trysten> nuxil: Still crackling?
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• 1660[15:38:33] <zathraz> Hi. has anything recently changed in the Apache2 package causing the situation why I no longer can (reverse)proxy https to http?
• 1661[15:39:32] <petn-randall> zathraz: no
• 1662[15:39:40] <nuxil> trysten, i think tsched=0 helped a bit. it sounds better. when i was looking the file i saw udev bal bla in a if|else block. added tsched=0 there. and restarted pulseaudio
• 1663[15:40:11] <zathraz> (ssl cert by letsencrypt, backend jetty)
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• 1668[15:43:48] <zathraz> hmm. Might be a Jetty issue where JSP support now seems to be abandonned
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• 1671[15:45:31] <zathraz> still weird as lynx on localhost works so the proxy must be the culprit
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• 1675[15:48:28] <mutante> rwp: thanks for the addition, i was unsure if that was the case
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• 1688[15:56:16] <petn-randall> zathraz: At start by looking at the logs.
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• 1698[16:00:09] <trysten> on debian/testing my graphics driver no longer loads with new 4.18.0-3 kernel. I'm sshed in because I can't see and `modprobe i915` hangs. Where do I start troubleshooting?
• 1699[16:00:40] <joepublic> I'd say over on oftc.
• 1700[16:01:16] <trysten> Fair. Thanks.
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• 1702[16:02:05] <joepublic> they would be likely to be more knowledgeable about current things going on in testing.
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• 1704[16:02:16] <annadane> #debian-next specifically
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• 1720[16:09:37] <Ulrar> Hi, so it looks like apache in debian 9 has a bug preventing from disabling TLS 1.0, is there any plans to backport the fix ? It's a bit problematic
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• 1722[16:10:44] <jelly> Ulrar: howspecifically do you attempt to disable it, and what happens after restarting the service and doing testssl.sh or Qualys ssl check on it?
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• 1724[16:11:06] <Ulrar> SSLProtocol all -SSLv2 -SSLv3 -TLSv1
• 1725[16:11:11] <Ulrar> And yes, Qualys is what I use
• 1726[16:11:21] <jelly> but ypu're keeping 1.1 for the time being?
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• 1728[16:11:33] <Ulrar> There is a bug report about this saying you can't have TLS 1.2 / 1.1 without having 1.0 because of a bug, and the fix just isn't in debian's version
• 1729[16:11:38] <Ulrar> YEs
• 1730[16:11:44] <petn-randall> 1.1 does not add any new ciphers vs 1.0.
• 1731[16:12:02] <jelly> this is about protocol, not cipher set
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• 1733[16:12:19] <Ulrar> as far as I know 1.1 isn't deprecated
• 1734[16:12:41] <Ulrar> At least the client isn't asking to disable 1.1
• 1735[16:12:57] <jelly> if you care about reasona to disable TLS1.0, there are very similar reasons to disable TLS1.1 as well.
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• 1739[16:13:31] <Ulrar> I don't, the client cares about the big red warning in their backoffice. Would disabling 1.1 solve the problem ?
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• 1741[16:14:04] <Ulrar> As I understood the bug report, 1.2 would still pull 1.0 in that version of apache
• 1742[16:14:19] <jelly> if you can disable both 1.0 and 1.1, do that. Do you have a bug number in debian bts?
• 1743[16:14:31] <Ulrar> I can find it again, just a sec
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• 1746[16:14:46] <jelly> lemme see what we did for that one customer actually caring about PCI compliance
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• 1749[16:15:40] <Ulrar> replaced-url
• 1750[16:15:47] <Ulrar> It's not debian's bug tracker, but it's the same issue
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• 1753[16:16:02] <Ulrar> "As of Apache-2.4.34 the following works"
• 1754[16:16:07] <Ulrar> So it seems fixed in later versions
• 1755[16:16:29] <petn-randall> ,v apache2
• 1756[16:16:30] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u13; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u12; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u4; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u6; buster: 2.4.37-1; sid: 2.4.37-1
• 1757[16:16:44] <Ulrar> Apache/2.4.25 yes
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• 1760[16:18:40] <trysten> joepublic: why is there even a #debian channel on freenode? All the official channels are on OFTC. (I hadn't noticed, must have hopped on around 2005)
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• 1767[16:20:33] <joepublic> trysten, I would say inertia. for a long time, irc.debian.org pointed to freenode.
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• 1770[16:21:21] <bunn> I thought this was the official channel...
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• 1776[16:23:12] <joepublic> The most official information I know about is here: replaced-url
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• 1778[16:23:34] <greycat> !oftc move
• 1779[16:23:34] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
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• 1782[16:24:05] <annadane> the official channel for #debian specifically is OFTC
• 1783[16:24:16] <greycat> What it really boils down to is that most of the Debian developers moved to OFTC, but most of the end users did not.
• 1784[16:24:26] <fred__tv> Hi, is there any "server" (no GUI) distro that can be ran "live" from USB stick ?
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• 1786[16:24:50] <fred__tv> no install into HDD
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• 1788[16:26:17] <Ulrar> Interesting, if I do "SSLProtocol TLSv1.2" it seems to enable 1.2 and 1.1 but not 1.0
• 1789[16:26:28] <Ulrar> which I suppose is what I want, just not what's in the config
• 1790[16:27:00] <jhutchins_wk> fred__tv: I don't know if any of the live images have that option, but you could certainly create one.
• 1791[16:27:28] <jhutchins_wk> fred__tv: The linux GUI is a layer that can be disabled or turned off easily.
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• 1797[16:29:07] <darxmurf> is there a way to find all the files with UID bigger than XXX ?
• 1798[16:29:11] <bunn> thankyou for explaining greycat
• 1799[16:29:23] <watchcat> live+non-free used to have a "standard" version with no gui (which i miss) but stopped for some reason.
• 1800[16:29:46] <Ulrar> Well that'll do, thanks
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• 1802[16:29:49] <joepublic> fred__tv, parabola gnu/linux-libre has a command-line-only live image you can boot.
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• 1805[16:30:32] <fred__tv> I've found all debian-live-9.6.0-amd64-xxxxx have GUI.... I'll give them a try and disable GUI...
• 1806[16:31:03] <Kobaz> i have a weird X problem... i can't drag-click... but i can click and drag
• 1807[16:31:12] <Kobaz> it happens when i suspend and then unsuspend
• 1808[16:31:17] <annadane> Kobaz, what desktop
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• 1811[16:31:27] <Kobaz> fluxbox... so if my finger is on the touchpad and i click
• 1812[16:31:36] <Kobaz> nothing happens, it's like the click does not register
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• 1815[16:31:55] <Kobaz> if i take my finger *off* the touchpad, *then* click... then put my finger back on the touchpad... then i can drag
• 1816[16:32:02] <Kobaz> it's such a pain
• 1817[16:32:19] <darxmurf> find . -uid +1000 ...
• 1818[16:32:26] <fred__tv> Ok for Parabola also , thanks
• 1819[16:32:31] <darxmurf> I should just think before to ask \o/
• 1820[16:33:01] <blackflow> darxmurf: does that actually work? because I don't see it documented in the manpage
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• 1823[16:33:55] <Kobaz> annadane: so basically i have to have sure nothing is touching the touchpad, before clickin
• 1824[16:34:12] <blackflow> darxmurf: actually it is.... at the top of TEST section, for "numeric arguments". cool.
• 1825[16:34:15] <Kobaz> annadane: i don't think it has anything to do with the window manager... i figure it's an issue with the synaptics driver
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• 1846[16:52:07] <wwilliam> how do i see if a txt file have a carriage return at the end of every line
• 1847[16:52:10] <wwilliam> thank you.
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• 1891[17:13:30] <Kobaz> wwilliam: you can use sed
• 1892[17:13:48] <Kobaz> wwilliam: or any scripting language really
• 1893[17:13:53] <Kobaz> wwilliam: perl is good for that
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• 1901[17:14:42] <neilthereildeil> hi
• 1902[17:15:02] <neilthereildeil> which package should i install on 9.6 in order to get a Xen Dom0 kernel?
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• 1904[17:15:35] <neilthereildeil> i built an RPM out of Xen sources, but dont have aDom0 yet, so cannot use Xen functionality
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• 1906[17:15:53] <mason> neilthereildeil: xen-system-amd64
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• 1910[17:16:34] <neilthereildeil> mason: that looks like a metapackage
• 1911[17:16:40] <mason> neilthereildeil: Indeed it is.
• 1912[17:16:46] <neilthereildeil> ive already built Xen 4.11 and installed the custom RPM
• 1913[17:16:54] <neilthereildeil> this metapackage is trying to install Xen 4.8
• 1914[17:17:02] <neilthereildeil> will there be any conflicts?
• 1915[17:17:11] <neilthereildeil> it might overwriote my 4.11 build
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• 1917[17:17:15] <mason> I was assuming the RPM was for a guest.
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• 1920[17:17:39] <neilthereildeil> nah, RPM is for host
• 1921[17:17:39] <mason> If you're looking for a newer dom0, I'd see if there's something in backports, myself.
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• 1923[17:17:45] <neilthereildeil> The following NEW packages will be installed: qemu-system-common qemu-system-x86 qemu-utils xen-hypervisor-4.8-amd64 xen-system-amd64 xen-utils-4.8 xen-utils-common
• 1924[17:17:57] <neilthereildeil> i dont see anything about a Dom0 kernel in there
• 1925[17:18:12] <neilthereildeil> i dont care about a newer Dom0. any dom0 that works will be fine
• 1926[17:18:46] <mason> neilthereildeil: In that case, I'd use what's packaged and I wouldn't maintain your own. Much easier/better.
• 1927[17:19:20] <neilthereildeil> I am working with the hypervisor so need my custom build
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• 1932[17:20:53] <neilthereildeil> no, looks like it caught the conflict before overwriting 4.11
• 1933[17:20:54] <neilthereildeil> nice
• 1934[17:21:08] <mason> neilthereildeil: So, from where you are right now, I'd want to look at the package content of each of the available Xen packages and see which has the parts you need.
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• 1936[17:21:57] <neilthereildeil> mason: which is the package that has only Dom0 kernel?
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• 1938[17:22:08] <mason> neilthereildeil: And that's just the sort of thing you'll find.
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• 1951[17:27:05] <neilthereildeil> ok rebooting brb
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• 1990[17:47:31] <g0zzy> Why would something be missing from bash history. In my setup, things often are
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• 1992[17:48:04] <greycat> bash loads history from .bash_history into memory at startup, and writes to .bash_history on clean exit. The number of lines it's willing to read/write can be configured.
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• 1995[17:48:27] <Wulf> g0zzy: maybe you're using noninteractive shells
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• 1997[17:48:40] <Wulf> or you kill the shell before it can write the history
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• 2000[17:49:10] <greycat> Things to look at include use of multiple bash instances simultaneously and the order in which you exit them, or bash instances not having a chance to exit cleanly while the .bash_history file is still writable (e.g. during a system shutdown).
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• 2002[17:49:16] <g0zzy> Ah. Would a crash make it a problem?
• 2003[17:49:25] <greycat> Or a full system crash, yes.
• 2004[17:49:52] <g0zzy> Right. I did just have one
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• 2007[17:50:47] <g0zzy> They happen sometimes when i apply pressure to the left hand corner of my laptop
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• 2012[17:52:57] <g0zzy> Thanks folks
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• 2015[17:53:51] <bmomjian> Does anyone know about how fonts are added to Ghostscript 9.06 on Debian Jessie? I am finding only one of the directories listed in the font search path is actually searched for subdirectories, i.e., /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/. Also, what purpose does the /etc/ghostscript/fontmap.d Fontmap files serve, except as aliases? I asked on #ghostscript and they were not sure how it was compiled so could not help.
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• 2018[17:54:40] <__m4ch1n3__> ghost script, sounds like some gypsy voodoo :D
• 2019[17:55:47] <bmomjian> Yeah, pretty much true. Lots of layers and black magic, especially interfacing to Latex and groff. I have tons of notes on how to do it.
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• 2022[17:56:11] <bmomjian> and with 5700 fonts, it has to be automated
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• 2034[18:00:46] <g0zzy> Is there any way to update the bash history manually so that nothing is lost in a crash?
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• 2039[18:01:29] <__m4ch1n3__> bmomjian, looks like debian hase some ghostscript font releated packages in the repo like: gsfonts, gsfonts-other ...
• 2040[18:01:39] <__m4ch1n3__> *has
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• 2042[18:02:24] <broseph> g0zzy: you could use a crontab task to cp the history periodically to a backed up file.
• 2043[18:02:31] <greycat> g0zzy: replaced-url
• 2044[18:02:41] <broseph> Or what greycat said ;)
• 2045[18:02:47] <greycat> broseph: no, wrong, the issue is history that exists ONLY in bash's memory, not on disk yet
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• 2048[18:02:58] <broseph> My mistake.
• 2049[18:03:25] <greycat> Bash only writes history to disk on exit, or on demand. By default it just accumulates hisotry in memory.
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• 2057[18:08:13] <broseph> Wow, I didn't know that.
• 2058[18:08:22] <broseph> That's what I get for blurting!
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• 2062[18:10:47] <Iridos> I use the options from that page in the grey box for ages
• 2063[18:10:57] <Iridos> additional I have HISTFILE="$HOME"/.bash_history_custom
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• 2066[18:11:22] <Iridos> because else… one single shell that for whatever reason doesn't read .bashrc truncates the whole file back to the default length on exit
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• 2092[18:21:54] <jak2000> hi all i want copy files from dir1 to dir2 but only if not exist in dir2... i try: rsync -a dir1 dir2 (but command rsync not found, exist a way with cp command?
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• 2094[18:22:16] <wwilliam> Kobaz: Thank you.
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• 2096[18:22:53] <annadane> cp u /home/jak2000/dir1/* /home/jak2000/dir2
• 2097[18:22:58] <annadane> cp -u i mean
• 2098[18:23:07] <greycat> jak2000: apt-get install rsync
• 2099[18:23:24] <jak2000> yes but cant
• 2100[18:23:32] <jak2000> the admin network havent permission :(
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• 2102[18:23:41] <jak2000> ok cpu -u
• 2103[18:23:49] <jak2000> cp -u
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• 2106[18:24:36] <mandeep> in gnome if i press the volume up/down key on my keyboard the volume change by 5%. is there a way to change this percentage?
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• 2110[18:26:10] <cuddylier> Anyone know why this preseed file results in a 1TB / partition, 500GB swap partition and 300MB boot partition? The boot partition is correct but I want the swap to be 4096MB and the rest to go to /
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• 2113[18:27:48] <Ede|Popede> jak2000 replaced-url
• 2114[18:28:02] <annadane> my own recommendation is if you have a choice for simple file operations between cp and rsync, to use cp, easier syntax... obviously rsync can perform more complex operations
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• 2116[18:29:45] <petn-randall> cuddylier: What is "this" preseed file? If I have to guess, it's because you define those sizes there.
• 2117[18:30:00] <cuddylier> it's part of a Debian preseed
• 2118[18:30:10] <cuddylier> That I'm using to provision Debian Stretch
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• 2120[18:30:41] <cuddylier> Do you know what changes I could make so the ext4 / partition grows to the end of the disk and swap remains at only 4096MB?
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• 2123[18:31:21] <petn-randall> cuddylier: You could start by showing us the preseed you're using.
• 2124[18:31:43] <cuddylier> That's all of the disk section of it, it's part of provisioning software called noc-ps
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• 2126[18:31:55] <cuddylier> So that's the only part I edit to change the disk partition setup
• 2127[18:32:17] <cuddylier> Unless there is something else I'm missing about what you want to see?
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• 2129[18:32:37] <cuddylier> oh
• 2130[18:32:44] <cuddylier> I forgot to paste the link, wow
• 2131[18:32:47] <cuddylier> replaced-url
• 2132[18:32:51] <cuddylier> SOrry
• 2133[18:32:56] <petn-randall> :)
• 2134[18:33:23] <petn-randall> I haven't used preseed yet, but at least other people can now look at it and respond.
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• 2136[18:33:40] <annadane> maybe i should change !pastebin.com to include "or, if you're going to use pastebin.com, put /raw/ in between the url and the identifier thingy"
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• 2138[18:34:22] <greycat> More generally, "give us the raw link".
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• 2252[19:16:07] <johnjay> is there significance to a package having -dfsg in it's name? is that for non-free repo?
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• 2258[19:17:49] <joepublic> johnjay, -dfsg packages have had files removed or changed to comply with dfsg.
• 2259[19:18:49] <johnjay> ah ok. i was installing dictd and i think it had that in it. that or the dictionary
• 2260[19:19:36] <johnjay> i remember it from installing emacs25-common-non-dfsg to mean, things that were left out to comply with the dfsg
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• 2263[19:20:14] <annadane> yeah well emacs25-common-non-dfsg is of course, non dfsg, not free
• 2264[19:20:19] <rwp> I have 183 packages installed on my system with dfsg in the version.
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• 2268[19:20:41] <johnjay> it had something to do with the debian documentation licnse not being free software. or something. idk
• 2269[19:20:49] <rwp> However in the version is not the same as in the name.
• 2270[19:20:59] <johnjay> er the Gnu documentation license i mean. GFDL i think
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• 2273[19:21:14] <johnjay> i'd never even heard of the GFDL before
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• 2275[19:22:03] <joepublic> the gnu free documentation licence is nonfree under dfsg unless it contains "no invariant sections." gfdl allows invariant sections that you are prohibited from modifying, thus abridging the freedom to modify.
• 2276[19:22:29] <johnjay> i see
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• 2339[19:50:05] <gedia> hello! anyone knows where I can find PGP keys for stretch-rocky.debian.net/debian ???
• 2340[19:50:09] <ntd> anyone wanna rain some hell on ubuntu/canonical? pretty sure you'll get a couple of upvotes with this stuff
• 2341[19:50:53] <annadane> gedia, why?
• 2342[19:50:57] <annadane> does your mirror not work?
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• 2344[19:51:19] <nkuttler> ntd: #debian-offtopic
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• 2349[19:52:54] <gedia> annadane: I need to use this repo for some backports it provides and I can't find the PGP key for it anywhere!
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• 2364[20:02:49] <petn-randall> gedia: How did you find the repo?
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• 2380[20:09:06] <gedia> petn-randall: I needed a backport for openvswitch and after some googling I came across it...
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• 2383[20:10:31] <petn-randall> gedia: Is this repo advertized anywhere?
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• 2389[20:11:35] <petn-randall> If not, I wouldn't assume anything in there is ready for production, or even benign.
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• 2392[20:12:09] <petn-randall> Essentially any package you install has unrestricted root access to your machine, so I wouldn't just willy-nilly add random repos to your system in hopes of it doing something for you.
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• 2394[20:12:59] <annadane> ,v openvswitch
• 2395[20:13:00] <judd> No package named 'openvswitch' was found in amd64.
• 2396[20:13:08] <gedia> petn-randall: I understand the risks, but I only need two packages from it and I had too much trouble building them myself... I've built several so far but for some reason openvswitch won't
• 2397[20:13:18] <gedia> it's openvswitch-common and openvswitch-switch actually
• 2398[20:13:29] <annadane> ,v openvswitch-common
• 2399[20:13:30] <judd> Package: openvswitch-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.2+git20120612-9.1~deb7u1.1; jessie: 2.3.0+git20140819-3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.3.0+git20140819-3+deb8u1; stretch: 2.6.2~pre+git20161223-3; buster: 2.10.0+2018.08.28+git.8ca7c82b7d+ds1-8; sid: 2.10.0+2018.08.28+git.8ca7c82b7d+ds1-10
• 2400[20:14:14] <annadane> judd, checkbackport openvswitch-switch --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
• 2401[20:14:16] <judd> Backporting package openvswitch-switch in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
• 2402[20:14:21] <annadane> !ssb
• 2403[20:14:21] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 2404[20:14:55] <annadane> if you go that route you'd just need to watch the tracker for newer versions
• 2405[20:15:00] <annadane> (tracker.debian.org)
• 2406[20:15:26] <gedia> annadane: you mean use the ones supplied by sid?
• 2407[20:15:41] <annadane> well, backport it using the ssb instructions, not just install from sid
• 2408[20:16:12] <gedia> oh you mean build it from deb-src sid sources. got it, thanks!
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• 2410[20:17:26] <annadane> (ssb standing for 'simple sid backport')
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• 2412[20:18:48] <gedia> OK, I will try it one of these days, although I think even vanilla stretch sources wouldn't build properly.. it's been a while so I don't remember what the issue was, but I'll give it another go
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• 2423[20:24:12] <gedia> sry, temporary connection issues, might have missed some msgs
• 2424[20:24:39] <n4dir> gedia: you didn't miss anything after your last comment.
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• 2426[20:25:16] <gedia> thanks! :-D
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• 2478[20:55:02] <wwilliam> How do i download all the debian Themes listed in debian.org?
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• 2481[20:57:16] <nkuttler> themes?
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• 2483[20:58:01] <wwilliam> replaced-url
• 2484[20:58:30] <VinAlencc> Hello, guys! How are you? I'd like to know which is the most recommended Linux-HA software. Would it be "ucarp", "keepalived", "heartbeat"...? I want to use it for "every single service" running on my servers.
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• 2486[20:58:52] <VinAlencc> Sorry, I mean... Floating IP + Linux-HA.
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• 2491[21:03:16] <tsglove> VinAlencc, what.... is it that you want?
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• 2497[21:05:48] <VinAlencc> tsglove: I'd like to use a software which could help me with redundancy on my servers. Initially, using floating IP. And then, later making my firewall script run on the master, and, if it fails, over my slave server.
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• 2499[21:06:37] <VinAlencc> tsglove: Also, making any other service/script runs on the master and slave according to it availability
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• 2519[21:24:08] <tdn> I get a lot of these messages in my syslog. What causes this, and how do I fix it? (server is an NFS server) 2018-12-17T17:05:37.867860+01:00 corvina kernel: lockd: cannot monitor malbec
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• 2553[21:47:56] <jhutchins_wk> tdn: Try pasting the text into a search engine (just "lockd: cannot
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• 2556[21:48:01] <jhutchins_wk> monitor malbec)
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• 2561[21:51:33] <tdn> jhutchins_wk, I tried but the only thing that /might/ be relevant is this: replaced-url
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• 2569[21:54:43] <jhutchins_wk> tdn: What does service rpc-statd return?
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• 2585[22:01:08] <DammitJim> do you guys have any recommendations on enterprise backup solutions for debian laptops?
• 2586[22:01:39] <DammitJim> I have 4 laptops I would like to ensure are being backed up (the laptops themselves have VMs also)
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• 2588[22:02:36] <tdn> jhutchins_wk, command not found?
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• 2592[22:03:52] <tdn> jhutchins_wk, you mean rpc.statd? It outputs nothing when calling it
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• 2598[22:05:43] <jhutchins_wk> tdn: You have to be root.
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• 2600[22:05:53] <tdn> jhutchins_wk, I am
• 2601[22:05:57] <jhutchins_wk> Sorry, I mean tservice rpc-statd status
• 2602[22:06:09] <tdn> jhutchins_wk, no service by that name
• 2603[22:06:40] <tdn> jhutchins_wk, I have: service rpcbind status
• 2604[22:06:45] <tdn> And that is up
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• 2606[22:06:50] <jhutchins_wk> Try rpc.statd
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• 2608[22:07:09] <tdn> Unit rpc.statd.service could not be found.
• 2609[22:07:21] <jhutchins_wk> Or systemctl rpc.statd status
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• 2611[22:07:46] <jhutchins_wk> I don't have NFS so I can't really check the status, but it looks like that specific error is caused because statd isn't running.
• 2612[22:07:50] <tdn> Yeah that was what I did
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• 2614[22:07:59] <tdn> Oh.
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• 2618[22:09:17] <Lambertini> someone have ideia?
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• 2621[22:10:06] <Lambertini> im looking for this on goole, but no return result
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• 2623[22:10:53] <jhutchins_wk> !br
• 2624[22:10:53] <dpkg> Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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• 2626[22:11:30] <jhutchins_wk> !es
• 2627[22:11:30] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
• 2628[22:12:05] <Lambertini> ???
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• 2649[22:21:04] <Prestige> have a debian server spun up and installed nodejs, but looks like it can't resolve exponential expressions such as `2 ** 2`. Running v 4.8.2. Anyone have any insight on this?
• 2650[22:21:20] <Prestige> I thought it was a universal javascript expression
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• 2653[22:22:17] <greycat> Seems like a poor test... if you get the answer "4", how do you know whether it added, multiplied, or powered up?
• 2654[22:22:29] <jelly> that sounds more like a javascript syntax question than something for #debian
• 2655[22:23:06] <greycat> My first thought, though, was "How did you pass these operands to the program?" If they're shell arguments, you may need to quote them. Since ** would be interpreted as a filename glob.
• 2656[22:23:11] <Prestige> I could've said 3 ** 3 but it's still just not executing
• 2657[22:23:13] <jelly> but if 2 ^ 2 evaluates to 0 you know it's xor and not power
• 2658[22:23:29] <Prestige> and im asking here jelly because it works in other node interpreters, just not on my debian server
• 2659[22:23:47] <jelly> that is a useful data point.
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• 2664[22:26:06] <jhutchins_wk> Prestige: I guess one thing to ask is if the other nodes are running the same version.
• 2665[22:26:10] <jhutchins_wk> !nodejs
• 2666[22:26:10] <dpkg> Node.js is an event-based server-side <JavaScript> engine packaged for Debian as 'nodejs'; Debian 7 "Wheezy" users can find this in <wheezy-backports>. Further help can be found in #node.js on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
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• 2669[22:27:59] <Prestige> the other systems arent debian so I assume they have different packages (the version numbers are very different) so I suppose I'll ask the other irc channel
• 2670[22:28:27] <greycat> It would not surprise me in the slightest to hear that other OSes have much newer versions of node.js than Debian does.
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• 2672[22:29:00] <Prestige> the other is v 11.4.0 so yeah
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• 2678[22:30:46] <Lambertini> Can someone help me? Someone had same problem as me? With php7 I can not read files, but phpinfo () reads normally, 'print echos if else' ok, work, but I try to connect mysql db but not work return error 500
• 2679[22:31:23] <greycat> Even the part in quotes which I would expect to be code looks incredibly wrong. 'print echos if else' ?!
• 2680[22:31:40] <greycat> I am by no means a PHP guru, but ... damn.
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• 2683[22:34:10] <jelly> Lambertini, how do you open a file? Which error code is returned? Can you show example code? Does it work with /usr/bin/php7.0 from php7.0-cli package?
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• 2686[22:36:11] <jelly> Lambertini, do you know how to set up php to show errors in web server's error.log? Find the relevant php.ini and look for "error_reporting"
• 2687[22:36:42] <Lambertini> jelly wiil go make this
• 2688[22:36:56] <Lambertini> but i but I found the mistake
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• 2706[22:47:00] <DammitJim> I have 4 laptops I would like to ensure are being backed up (the laptops themselves have VMs also)
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• 2708[22:47:09] <DammitJim> do you guys have any recommendations on enterprise backup solutions for debian laptops?
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• 2731[22:56:31] <PaddyF> DammitJim: i saw "baracuda" offered as a solution in a redhat context
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• 2734[22:57:44] <monkey-b> DammitJim: there are several for linux, debian included. You can take a look at this : replaced-url
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• 2738[22:59:18] <DammitJim> anybody in here with experience with any solution?
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• 2742[23:00:38] <pingfloyd> DammitJim: I use rsync
• 2743[23:00:47] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: I've used rdiff-backup.
• 2744[23:00:50] <pingfloyd> it's more work, but it's also much more control
• 2745[23:01:04] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: Successfully restored from it, it does some indexing,
• 2746[23:01:12] <blackflow> DammitJim: before I used ZFS, I found rsnapshot very adequate.
• 2747[23:01:32] <n4dir> never used any different method, but i vote for rsync too.
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• 2751[23:02:46] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: Most of the "backup programs" just use regular copy/transport/compression programs with some sort of script, possibly an index or even a database. It depends on what you're willing to configure and build.
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• 2762[23:05:53] <DammitJim> I want an easy solution where all I got to do is run restore, and the machine is back to where it was at the time of the backup
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• 2764[23:06:25] <Prestige> I followed the instructions here to try installing the latest version of nodejs: replaced-url
• 2765[23:06:25] <DammitJim> and when I say easy, I mean, I can manage this from a management console of some sort for the different laptops
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• 2767[23:06:55] <jhutchins_wk> ,v nodejs
• 2768[23:06:56] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; stretch-backports: 8.11.1~dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; sid: 8.11.2~dfsg-1; experimental: 10.4.0~dfsg-1
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• 2774[23:09:00] <jhutchins_wk> Prestige: We can't know how a third-party install script does it's thing. It looks like it it may be adding a PPA, but it might not be replacing your original install, installing in parallel instead.
• 2775[23:09:37] <Prestige> I removed nodejs before running it, and it appears to have just reinstalled the most current version. Damn this is annoying
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• 2778[23:10:37] <PaddyF> is this a moment for mentioning containers like docker?
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• 2782[23:10:55] <greycat> sure, why not
• 2783[23:11:06] <jhutchins_wk> Prestige: Read through the script.
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• 2785[23:11:55] <n4dir> DammitJim: i'd say restoring from a simple rsync backup is pretty straight forward, though it needs a bit more than just pressing a "restore" button. One advantage is that there are tons of people who know it (and most damn well).
• 2786[23:12:25] <n4dir> at forums.debian.net there was mentioned timeshift the other day.
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• 2789[23:13:49] <jhutchins_wk> Prestige: I'm not sure how you undo whatever the script did, but if I were you I'd restore the system to the backup you made before you ran a third party script and then install the version that's in backports.
• 2790[23:13:53] <jhutchins_wk> !bdo
• 2791[23:13:54] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable (<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 2792[23:14:02] <DammitJim> timeshift?
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• 2797[23:15:18] <jhutchins_wk> ,v timeshift
• 2798[23:15:18] <n4dir> DammitJim: here is the thread: replaced-url
• 2799[23:15:19] <judd> Package: timeshift on amd64 -- jessie-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; stretch-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; wheezy-multimedia: 6.700-dmo2; buster: 18.9+ds-1; sid: 18.9+ds-1
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• 2805[23:16:50] <n4dir> over the years i heard people mentioning the perfect backup solution all the time. rsync seems to stay. (in other words: might well be timeshift is just another hype of that kind)
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• 2807[23:18:05] <DammitJim> whoat, timeshift!
• 2808[23:18:38] <DammitJim> I just don't see rsync as something I can manage from a centralized location for multiple laptops
• 2809[23:19:09] <DammitJim> You know, to be able to see a dashboard with the status of every laptop's backups like when it was last taken, errors, etc.
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• 2814[23:21:06] <jhutchins_wk> DammitJim: Cron jobs and email notifications.
• 2815[23:21:18] <nkuttler> DammitJim: backuppc
• 2816[23:21:39] <jhutchins_wk> I think gnome & kde have native backup programs.
• 2817[23:21:54] <DammitJim> backuppc?
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• 2819[23:22:36] <nkuttler> DammitJim: does backups over rsync (and more) and has a web interface
• 2820[23:22:45] <DammitJim> now we are talking!
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• 2823[23:23:16] <digdilem> backuppc is great. i've been using it for over a decade
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• 2825[23:23:40] <nkuttler> yup, me too
• 2826[23:23:47] <DammitJim> so, with rsync, one still has to install the OS if the hard drive croaks, right?
• 2827[23:23:55] <nkuttler> it's not very "modern", but rock solid, and afaik dev is speeding up again
• 2828[23:24:04] <nkuttler> um, what?
• 2829[23:24:12] <digdilem> yes. just works, every time. like you want a backup thing to.
• 2830[23:24:17] <pikaro> what packages do I need for nvidia prope
• 2831[23:24:23] <pikaro> sorry
• 2832[23:24:30] <nkuttler> DammitJim: i think so, never tried it though
• 2833[23:24:33] <pikaro> rietary on sid?
• 2834[23:24:40] <DammitJim> never tried what nkuttler ?
• 2835[23:24:47] <digdilem> DammitJim, yes. backuppc is a file backup, not an imager.
• 2836[23:25:02] <pikaro> asking from phone, desktop down, oftc as well it seems.
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• 2838[23:25:43] <nkuttler> pikaro: this channel doesn't support the upstream nvidia driver, if you're asking about that
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• 2840[23:25:54] <pikaro> nvidia-driver itself doesn't seem to pull enough dependencies
• 2841[23:25:58] <DammitJim> digdilem, but after installing the OS, all one needs to do is just rsync everything back, right?
• 2842[23:25:58] <n4dir> what would be the point of a system backup if you had to reinstall if the harddisk fails? DammitJim
• 2843[23:26:07] <nkuttler> pikaro: nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 2844[23:26:25] <DammitJim> n4dir, I don't know... that's why I'm asking if rsync does system backups or not
• 2845[23:26:32] <DammitJim> I know it does file backups
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• 2847[23:27:07] <pikaro> nkittler, craaaap, that has a dependency issue, that explains it. thanks.
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• 2849[23:27:14] <n4dir> You can do it with rsync, but it is not fully automated or such (and, btw, don't take my word for it. I know the little stuff i do, but thats it).
• 2850[23:27:19] <digdilem> nkuttler, you're right, backuppc is under active development again. seems quite active on github
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• 2853[23:27:52] <digdilem> DammitJim, no, you want clonezilla or something if you want a snapshot image of a system
• 2854[23:27:57] <digdilem> (and a lot of disk space)
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• 2856[23:28:10] <n4dir> when restoring from an rsync backup the worst i had to do was: edit /etc/fstab; reinstall grub, something with /etc/udev.d/rules/70*net*
• 2857[23:28:25] <jhutchins> DammitJim: You could boot to a live CD and rsync the backup to the server - that would probably be better than rsyncing over running files.
• 2858[23:28:43] <jhutchins> DammitJim: You do have to limit what you back up on a live system so you don't get device files and the like.
• 2859[23:28:59] <nkuttler> i just reinstall, run the config management tool, and restore from backups what i need. never had the need for full images
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• 2861[23:29:18] <jhutchins> DammitJim: You can also create an image of the whole device - dd if=/dev/sda of=/some/destination
• 2862[23:29:20] <DammitJim> oh ok, so you do use a config management tool nkuttler
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• 2864[23:29:34] <digdilem> nor me. plus you have the option of restoring specific files with little hassle
• 2865[23:29:36] <DammitJim> jhutchins, but I can't do that while someone is working on the machine, right?
• 2866[23:29:38] <jhutchins> nkuttler: config management tool?
• 2867[23:29:38] <nkuttler> DammitJim: i do, even at home
• 2868[23:29:52] <nkuttler> jhutchins: saltstack, ansible, chef, puppet, etc
• 2869[23:29:55] <DammitJim> yeah, that won't work in my situation, because I don't control what they install on the laptops
• 2870[23:30:05] <nkuttler> ah, users
• 2871[23:30:13] <n4dir> damn users.
• 2872[23:30:13] <DammitJim> I myself use saltstack and love it; however, the user variable is what is killing me
• 2873[23:30:24] <DammitJim> well, thank you guys for your help!
• 2874[23:30:29] <jhutchins> DammitJim: I'm not entirely sure what happens if you image a live filesystem. I think if you do the device you don't get too much transient stuff, and you get the bootloader.
• 2875[23:30:31] <DammitJim> I'll be doing more research tonight
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• 2879[23:31:12] <digdilem> virtualising and snapshots is a more civilised way to do imaging, imo
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• 2881[23:31:36] <n4dir> jhutchins: everyone recommends against running rsync backup from a running system. I never ran in problems with it (but: better safe than sorry)
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• 2883[23:31:53] <watchcat> DammitJim: you can backup with rsync, edit its fstab, and boot the backup. it even backs up a running system, though that might be risky.
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• 2885[23:32:10] <nkuttler> n4dir: well, some things can't be backed up safely with rsync. db files for example
• 2886[23:32:15] <jhutchins> n4dir: I run it "live", but I'm only backing up data directories.
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• 2889[23:32:38] <jhutchins> nkuttler: db _files_ can, but live databases often can't.
• 2890[23:32:42] <n4dir> nkuttler: nah, nah. i didn't say it strong enough: really only my little experience. *everyone* recommens against it.
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• 2899[23:34:46] <digdilem> n4dir, I recommend doing it. :) just pick the files you want to rsync
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• 2901[23:36:03] <n4dir> digdilem: i do it the other way around and --exclude the ones i don't want. :-)
• 2902[23:36:45] <watchcat> i've backed up a live system with rsync that worked fine. not to say that there couldn't have been some issues.
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• 2905[23:43:14] <jelly> it helps if you take a consistent snapshot covering all the filesystems, and rsync that instead of actual live files.
• 2906[23:43:22] <jelly> lvm <3
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• 2920[23:52:54] <SerajewelKS> jelly: can lvm snapshot multiple filesystems as an atomic operation, or is each snapshot only atomic with itself?
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• 2922[23:53:37] <SerajewelKS> i'd like to see something like windows' VSS on linux. maybe another thing for systemd to overreach into...
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• 2930[23:59:21] <watchcat> the init that ate userland...
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