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• 42[00:22:52] <squarecircle> ohai, I'm experiencing trouble with some h265 HEVC2 video files
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• 45[00:24:11] <squarecircle> I can't play them with vlc 2.2.4 or mplayer2 in Version 2.0.6 or something. Now I read that mplayer2 is deserted since 2012 and the mplayer project which currently has the version 1.3 is the current project
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• 47[00:25:14] <squarecircle> I'm now confused. Why does Debian ships with some media player from 2012 and does not offer the current project, which is available to Ubuntu and other distributions and how do I get it onto my system?
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• 61[00:31:05] <missmbob> squarecircle: the real winner to come out of mplayer/mplayer2 is mpv. which debian does have.
• 62[00:31:28] <missmbob> !tell testingKali about kali
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• 64[00:32:08] <squarecircle> missmbob: well this mpv currently has problems parsing the data and throws a lot of parsing errors
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• 66[00:32:32] <squarecircle> missmbob: which leaves me with a lot of unwatcheable data junk :D
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• 68[00:32:38] <missmbob> squarecircle: which mpv version?
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• 70[00:33:27] <squarecircle> 0.6.2
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• 73[00:33:36] <squarecircle> missmbob: ^
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• 75[00:33:42] <missmbob> squarecircle: yeah that version stinks a little. i backported the latest 0.21.0 for jessie if you're interested in trying it.
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• 77[00:34:15] <squarecircle> missmbob: well I try to remember how to work with backports :D
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• 79[00:34:31] <missmbob> squarecircle: replaced-url
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• 83[00:35:05] <squarecircle> sudo apt-get install -t backports-jessie mpv
• 84[00:35:06] <squarecircle> ?
• 85[00:35:16] <missmbob> no. there is none in jessie-backports
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• 88[00:35:56] <squarecircle> missmbob: so its some homebrewed deb package?
• 89[00:35:58] <squarecircle> ^^
• 90[00:36:06] <missmbob> yes. i said i backported it.
• 91[00:36:31] <edju> All of a sudden, kmail won't send. It does receive. No eror messages. I have no idea where to look. I looked on the web but found nothing. Any advice, pointers etc. appreciated.
• 92[00:36:50] <doflamingo> i have problem too with h.265 and hevc.. video not displaying.. only sounds
• 93[00:36:56] <doflamingo> vlc
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• 97[00:37:55] <missmbob> doflamingo: does this video play? there's no sound but that doesnt matter since you're talking x265 video. replaced-url
• 98[00:37:57] <squarecircle> missmbob: the four deb packages are not enough
• 99[00:38:06] <sl4v3> doflamingo: probably your hardware decoder settings. your proc may not support an expected instruction.
• 100[00:38:20] <squarecircle> dpkg needs some five more libraries
• 101[00:38:21] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, squarecircle
• 102[00:38:21] <missmbob> squarecircle: i dont know what your code words mean
• 103[00:38:24] <sl4v3> doflamingo: run vlc from a terminal and see what gets printed out.
• 104[00:38:37] <missmbob> squarecircle: which you can get the rest from -t jessie-backports
• 105[00:38:48] <missmbob> sudo apt-get -f install -t jessie-backports
• 106[00:38:49] <squarecircle> missmbob: oh thanks
• 107[00:39:02] <squarecircle> $ /dev/brain
• 108[00:39:02] <squarecircle> bash: /dev/brain: No such file or directory
• 109[00:39:28] <doflamingo> missmbob let me try
• 110[00:40:25] <doflamingo> sl4v3 video somevideo.mkv?
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• 112[00:40:59] <doflamingo> $ vlc somevideo.mkv?
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• 114[00:41:23] <missmbob> i linked you to an mp4 but whatever
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• 119[00:44:08] <squarecircle> missmbob: ok, now I just killed my whole system
• 120[00:44:40] <squarecircle> missmbob: sometimes I just hate doing experimental things on my Debian
• 121[00:44:56] <missmbob> squarecircle: i still dont speak your code. did it catch flames? ssb isn't experimental
• 122[00:44:59] <missmbob> !ssb
• 123[00:44:59] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 124[00:45:40] <squarecircle> missmbob: well I install libass5 from the backports and its version is still to low for libmpv
• 125[00:45:53] <squarecircle> then I try to remove it and try again which results in:
• 126[00:46:10] <missmbob> squarecircle: i have that too replaced-url
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• 129[00:46:30] <doflamingo> missmbob the video only show few frame than stop playing frame.. in MPPlayer works but slow :D my hardware?
• 130[00:46:47] <squarecircle> missmbob: replaced-url
• 131[00:47:10] <missmbob> squarecircle: yeah dont do that. download libass from above and dpkg -i it
• 132[00:48:20] <squarecircle> missmbob: on your dipconsultants webpage is no libass5 deb package
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• 135[00:48:43] <missmbob> squarecircle: i just linked you to it...like right above
• 136[00:49:02] <missmbob> squarecircle: here it is again: replaced-url
• 137[00:49:10] <squarecircle> missmbob: nevermind, I found it somewhere up the directory tree
• 138[00:49:14] <squarecircle> missmbob: I'm stupid
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• 142[00:51:07] <doflamingo> missmbob your video playing few frame then stopped.. in vlc.. it works in MPPlayer but slow
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• 144[00:52:04] <missmbob> doflamingo: do you use stuff from deb-multimedia?
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• 147[00:52:50] <squarecircle> missmbob: whoop whoop
• 148[00:52:52] <doflamingo> missmbob no
• 149[00:52:57] <squarecircle> missmbob: thanks a lot
• 150[00:53:00] <missmbob> squarecircle: we win?? yay :)
• 151[00:53:03] <squarecircle> missmbob: video works
• 152[00:53:16] <squarecircle> missmbob: I just have to get the sound working
• 153[00:53:19] <squarecircle> then I'm happy
• 154[00:53:20] <squarecircle> :)
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• 158[00:53:37] <missmbob> try pavucontrol
• 159[00:53:47] <squarecircle> missmbob: did I tell you that I'm stupid?
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• 161[00:54:16] <missmbob> nah. it can be confusing
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• 163[00:55:01] <squarecircle> missmbob: guess which button was brightly red ?
• 164[00:55:05] <squarecircle> missmbob: replaced-url
• 165[00:55:18] <missmbob> nice :P
• 166[00:55:55] <squarecircle> missmbob: nah
• 167[00:55:57] <Rubin> is ifup <interface> not the right way to bring an interface up anymore?
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• 169[00:56:25] <squarecircle> missmbob: $ cat /proc/intelligence
• 170[00:56:27] <squarecircle> cat: /proc/intelligence: No such file or director
• 171[00:56:47] <squarecircle> missmbob: well see I'm too stupid to paste things
• 172[00:56:54] <squarecircle> missmbob: thanks a lot for your help
• 173[00:57:00] <squarecircle> I'm going to bed :)
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• 175[00:57:08] <missmbob> squarecircle: you're welcome
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• 178[01:00:36] <awal1> How can I combine dpkg -l & apt-cache rdepends getting the results in an ascendant or descendant tree mode/output?
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• 199[01:08:27] <russelsteapot> what partitioning tool does the debian installer use?
• 200[01:08:50] <doflamingo> gparted and etc
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• 203[01:10:48] <russelsteapot> but if i do ctl+alt+f2 to get into the cli and type gparted it says that the command is not found
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• 206[01:12:17] <doflamingo> sorry i did see debian not debian installer
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• 208[01:13:03] <doflamingo> russelsteapot why not use gui installer
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• 213[01:14:04] <russelsteapot> doflamingo, I'd like to do a cli install, Ideally I want to see if its possible to encrypt the boot partition
• 214[01:14:15] <russelsteapot> and as near as i can tell the gui doesnt give you that option
• 215[01:14:23] <russelsteapot> so im trying to get out of the gui and go straight to the cli
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• 228[01:20:47] <doflamingo> russelsteapot i see.. usually i use small live cd with gparted to deal with partition.. like slitaz.org
• 229[01:21:38] <russelsteapot> oh so just a different distro with those tools already in place?
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• 231[01:21:57] <themill> or debian-live or grml
• 232[01:22:07] <russelsteapot> grml?
• 233[01:22:29] <themill> !grml
• 234[01:22:30] <dpkg> grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. replaced-url
• 235[01:22:33] <russelsteapot> does the debian-live installer have different tools? im just looking at the netinstall one atm
• 236[01:22:58] <themill> The installer within debian-live is the same (although it typically forgets to do things for you).
• 237[01:23:05] <doflamingo> does apt-get install gparted work?
• 238[01:23:08] <themill> If you're doing a manual installation, however, then you don't need d-i
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• 244[01:26:08] <russelsteapot> themill, so grml stays up to date with the latest version of debian?
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• 246[01:26:43] <themill> if you're running debootstrap then it doesn't matter what you run that from
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• 249[01:27:21] <russelsteapot> doflamingo, it doesnt look like this has apt-get
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• 253[01:28:23] <themill> 'debian iso' is pretty meaningless. apt is not available within d-i
• 254[01:28:45] <themill> while it is within debian-live
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• 263[01:33:03] <doflamingo> then you can use "tools" / live cd.. it is best practice to have a tool.. when your system unbootable
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• 322[02:02:32] <labelcd6> Can someone tell me how to get to the man page for iwconfig? This is what I'm getting: replaced-url
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• 330[02:04:32] <missmbob> labelcd6: "manpages.debian.org - disabled because it breaks the host and we are waiting on the maintainer to move it to a new host"
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• 333[02:05:28] <labelcd6> missmbob: thanks. I am trying to configure my wireless usb device, and I feel like there's some critical info I can't find.
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• 335[02:05:42] <missmbob> labelcd6: replaced-url
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• 338[02:06:07] <missmbob> labelcd6: replaced-url
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• 342[02:07:00] <labelcd6> Thanks!
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• 358[02:14:40] <labelcd6> Trying to configure wireless network. Reading this: "Your wireless network interface can be configured using a connection manager or Debian's network interface configuration file (/etc/network/interfaces)"
• 359[02:14:54] <labelcd6> What do I do with "interfaces"?
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• 361[02:14:57] <labelcd6> Is it a file that I run?
• 362[02:15:26] <themill> no
• 363[02:15:33] <themill> it's a configuration file
• 364[02:15:49] <labelcd6> so what do I do?
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• 366[02:16:51] <missmbob> labelcd6: easiest way in console would be apt-get install network-manager and then run nmtui
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• 370[02:18:17] <labelcd6> "Package manager is not available..."
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• 372[02:18:58] <babilen> labelcd6: It is "network-manager" not "manager"
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• 374[02:19:36] <labelcd6> "Package network-manager is not available..."
• 375[02:19:44] <babilen> dpkg: bat
• 376[02:19:45] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 388[02:24:44] <naraic> hey, i'm trying to install a package and dpkg is complaining that it requires >= libssl1.0.0, but i already have libssl1.0.2 installed.
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• 390[02:25:09] <naraic> so the package is being left unconfigured, which i guess means uninstalled? what can i do?
• 391[02:25:12] <edju> All of a sudden, kmail won't send. It does receive. No error messages. I can ping the outbound server, but cannot telnet to it I have no idea where to look. I looked on the web but found nothing. Any advice, pointers etc. appreciated.
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• 395[02:26:03] <babilen> naraic: I guess you want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for stretch/sid support
• 396[02:26:57] <babilen> dpkg: tell naraic -about bat
• 397[02:27:08] <babilen> We would also need the information the bot just told you about
• 398[02:27:15] <naraic> babilen: thank you! sorry about that
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• 400[02:27:33] <babilen> No problem
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• 402[02:28:10] <babilen> replaced-url
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• 404[02:29:13] <themill> edju: if you click on the message in the outbox it will normally show you any error message from the conversation with the server
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• 408[02:29:44] <themill> edju: It's also worth exiting kmail, running akonadictl restart, and then retrying
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• 439[02:45:55] <awal1> how make dpkg -l list all installed pkgs except those installed by the installer when doing a minimal install and libs?
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• 441[02:46:30] <awal1> excluding those installed durring minimal install by the installer and libs ^
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• 444[02:48:25] <rawf> Ahoy. Has anyone else had SSL troubles with chromium today?
• 445[02:49:15] <missmbob> probably means the time/date on your machine is off for some reason
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• 447[02:50:37] <epicules> rawf: normal here
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• 449[02:51:11] <lindylex> I am trying to auto mount my etx3 hard drive. It slow the bootup process so much. Here is my dmesg and fstab info. replaced-url
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• 452[02:53:08] <rawf> epicules: thanks for checking. However, I've only found one case that fails.
• 453[02:53:12] <rawf> epicules: replaced-url
• 454[02:53:19] <jeep> lindylex: udev rules work the best !
• 455[02:53:29] <rawf> missmbob: thanks for reminding me. My clock was off by an hour, but it didn't fix the issue.
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• 459[02:54:03] <missmbob> rawf: did you restart the browser?
• 460[02:54:05] <rawf> I've only noticed that some amazon domains are failing SSL
• 461[02:54:10] <lindylex> jep: i fixed it. I had to run e2fsck on it.
• 462[02:54:12] <missmbob> rawf: that ssl certificate is fine here
• 463[02:54:22] <lindylex> jeep: i fixed it. I had to run e2fsck on it.
• 464[02:54:29] <missmbob> rawf: remember it runs on background when closed. really kill it
• 465[02:54:44] <edju> themill, Nope, no error message. Running akonadictl now - takes a long time!
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• 467[02:55:54] <rawf> missmbob: again, thanks for the reminder. Chromium is still throwing a fit. (firefox works fine)
• 468[02:56:22] <edju> themill, "Hspell: can't open /usr/share/hspell/hebrew.wgz.sizes" ???
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• 472[02:57:26] <rawf> It doesn't matter to me for the time being, I just wanted to know if anyone else had the same problem.
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• 474[02:57:40] <rawf> thanks for the help, epicules and missmbob
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• 480[03:02:24] <epicules> rawf: your welcome, man
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• 485[03:06:22] <likcoras> Is there a way to see why a certain package recommends/suggests another?
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• 487[03:07:00] <likcoras> Something like what arch does, firefox lists "networkmanager (optional) - Location detection via available WiFi networks"
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• 492[03:10:08] <Hello71> google
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• 494[03:11:35] <themill> likcoras: many packages would include that in the package description
• 495[03:11:59] <likcoras> Ah, I see.
• 496[03:12:12] <themill> Lots don't however
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• 636[04:32:37] <rocket__> nvidia drivers seem to be a huge problem still
• 637[04:32:39] <rocket__> right?
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• 639[04:33:16] <rocket__> btw i read some article by stalman tonight, pretty fun :D
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• 646[04:37:35] <thadtheman> Where is the keyserver for googles packages?
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• 648[04:40:01] <missmbob> replaced-url
• 649[04:40:17] <missmbob> that shows you how to install the key
• 650[04:40:28] <missmbob> rocket__: replaced-url
• 651[04:41:03] <rocket__> missmbob, yes it works
• 652[04:41:05] <rocket__> i installed it
• 653[04:41:11] <rocket__> but today it didnt work
• 654[04:41:16] <rocket__> i needed to install it again
• 655[04:41:20] <rocket__> for some reason
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• 657[04:42:17] <thadtheman> thanks
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• 684[05:10:32] <chatter234> sure is quiet in here
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• 690[05:13:24] <dvs> chatter234, there's no problems
• 691[05:13:25] * dvs runs
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• 700[05:21:26] <SamSagaZ> hey guys, i want to reinstall php5 to set it as default php(i have 5 and 7 in the same box) but cli is 7
• 701[05:21:37] <SamSagaZ> i want to configure php5 as default
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• 711[05:26:39] <Namidairo> SamSagaZ: 'update-alternatives --set php /usr/bin/php5' perhaps
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• 714[05:27:08] <SamSagaZ> works :)
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• 717[05:28:08] <SamSagaZ> thanks Namidairo
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• 724[05:30:30] <SamSagaZ> how i install and package and force to reconfigure it?
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• 726[05:30:38] <SamSagaZ> dpg-reconfigure after install?
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• 728[05:31:28] <Namidairo> probs
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• 741[05:42:18] <awal1> How to tell ytree to not show hidden dirs & files?
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• 784[06:19:52] <ersrrw> d image I burned?
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• 786[06:20:04] <dax-smells-funny> What does rm -rf / do
• 787[06:20:11] <ersrrw> yes yse
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• 789[06:20:21] <dax-smells-funny> some forum post said its the easiest way to uninstall chromium
• 790[06:20:29] <dax-smells-funny> but i find that sketchy ad th
• 791[06:20:35] <dax-smells-funny> *as the name is not there
• 792[06:21:36] <jeep> ersrrw: just apt-get install it back probably will fix most things
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• 806[06:33:10] <awal1> ersrrw: check apt logs
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• 832[07:03:32] <TiCPU> I found override_dh_systemd_enable/override_dh_systemd_start but invoke-rc.d is added by dh_installinit anyway and overriding this prevent my init script from being installed
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• 834[07:05:09] <TiCPU> just found out dh_installinit had a manpage
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• 865[07:24:34] <Lope> I'm setting up a Debian boot disk to give someone to run on their laptop. What do I need to install to make sure their wifi is going to work? All I know is they have a modern new dell laptop.
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• 873[07:27:26] <Lope> Do I also need to install some "laptop package" so their laptop hardware will play nice? touchpad, screen brightness etc?
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• 878[07:30:18] <TiCPU> Lope, with a modern desktop env. like GNOME, you don't have anything to add, network-manager will handle the Wifi and GNOME itself the keyboard shortcuts.
• 879[07:31:33] <Lope> TiCPU: yes, but what about restricted hardware drivers?
• 880[07:31:39] <Lope> like broadcom wifi and so on
• 881[07:32:11] <TiCPU> some broadcom card need to get their firmware extracted from the Windows driver, so without the model, it will be quite hard to guess
• 882[07:32:23] <Lope> What's the default desktop environment for Debian 8? It chose something for me without asking.
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• 884[07:32:33] <Lope> How can I check what DE is running?
• 885[07:32:57] <Lope> okay, well luckily internet is not strictly needed in this case, but it would be helpful.
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• 889[07:34:40] <TiCPU> you can also install firmware-linux in advance and maybe firmware-linux-nonfree if you want to be sure
• 890[07:34:57] <Lope> TiCPU: perfect, thanks
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• 892[07:36:01] <TiCPU> tasksel selects GNOME by default on Jessie.
• 893[07:36:21] <Lope> ah, so is it gnome 3?
• 894[07:36:31] <TiCPU> took me some time since I had to go on a server to apt-get install task-desktop to make sure, I mostly use ubuntu for desktop
• 895[07:36:35] <Lope> I see lots of gnome applications
• 896[07:37:07] <TiCPU> task-desktop install lotsa stuff, games, cloud stuff, online accounts, libre office, etc.
• 897[07:37:26] <TiCPU> torrents, dvd burner, music, ...
• 898[07:37:31] <Lope> gnome 3.14
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• 901[07:38:19] <awal1> Lope: try echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
• 902[07:38:41] <Lope> awal1: empty
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• 904[07:38:57] <Lope> it's ok, I see it's got gnome installed, as I've just said.
• 905[07:42:14] <Lope> I'm googling debian repositories but not finding a list of the possible repositories and their descriptions
• 906[07:42:23] <Lope> for example ubuntu has main restricted universe multiverse
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• 910[07:44:16] <awal1> !sources.list
• 911[07:44:17] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 913[07:44:28] <Lope> okay, found them, contrib and non-free
• 914[07:44:37] <Lope> Thanks
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• 926[07:53:10] <introom> how unstable is sid when compared to archlinux? (assume no xorg/gui package is installed)
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• 928[07:56:16] <plasmoduck> better
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• 930[07:56:47] <awal1> introom: unstable means almost "changing" when talking about sid; doesn't mean broken
• 931[07:56:58] <plasmoduck> Debian=Stability
• 932[07:58:34] <themill> yeah, or not. Let's not talk about openssl in sid right now.
• 933[07:59:10] <awal1> introom: also, stability of a testing/development system depends on what you are/have doing with it/installed
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• 998[08:41:44] <jim> hi, I'm trying to fire up a jabberd2 server, just to play with it... I'm trying to connect, it doesn't respond after a few secs... how can I find out the right log to tail?
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• 1018[08:56:58] <buu> Why is it freaking impossible to figure out what load average actually means?
• 1019[08:57:24] <jim> load has to do with number of processes per cpu
• 1020[08:57:58] <buu> or io
• 1021[08:57:59] <jim> load average is (well...) that average over time, 1, 5, 10 mins
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• 1024[08:58:05] <buu> or a number of other things
• 1025[08:58:33] <buu> And it's not number of processes per cpu, it's processes waiting for a cpu
• 1026[08:58:41] <buu> Otherwise you'd have a 200+ load average all the time
• 1027[08:59:18] <jim> ok, so what's the problem here? you apparantly understand more than I do!
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• 1029[09:00:13] <buu> Because none of those help me narrow it down!
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• 1031[09:00:24] <buu> I'm pretty sure my load is increasing due to iowait
• 1032[09:00:36] <buu> But I have no idea what specifically is performing the io
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• 1034[09:00:49] <jim> ok... so we need to back up and zoom out... can you clarify what it is you're wanting?
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• 1043[09:02:49] <buu> I'm trying to figure out what specific resource is being (over) consumed by what specific process
• 1044[09:02:56] <buu> Ideally so I can make it faster
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• 1047[09:03:25] <jim> ok, so I think load average is too general a tool for what you want
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• 1050[09:05:04] <buu> "Percentage of elapsed time during which I/O requests were issued to the device (bandwidth utilization for the device). Device saturation occurs when this value is close to 100% for devices serving requests serially. But for devices serving requests in parallel, such as RAID arrays and modern SSDs, this number does not reflect their perfor‐ mance limits."
• 1051[09:05:09] <jim> (a small analogy, probably won;t help anything... it's like you're trying to apply du -s /home when what you actually want is a detailed listing of the files in your home dir
• 1052[09:05:12] <buu> USEFUL
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• 1055[09:05:16] <jim> )
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• 1057[09:05:29] <buu> "here's a number that's totally meaningless"
• 1058[09:05:33] <DutchComputerKid> Finally A group I can get in... is irc.debian.org not working guys?
• 1059[09:05:33] <buu> Thanks linux.
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• 1064[09:06:11] <jim> well unix does that too, so you can't specifically blame linux...
• 1065[09:06:21] <DutchComputerKid> or does simply everyone have +b on #debian?
• 1066[09:06:48] <jim> DutchComputerKid, irc.debian.org is irc.oftc.net
• 1067[09:07:24] <DutchComputerKid> Yeah but no matter what nick I use I always get the message that my ISP is banned
• 1068[09:07:57] <jim> DutchComputerKid, ok... can you join #debian-ops?
• 1069[09:08:07] <DutchComputerKid> Lemme try that, brb
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• 1073[09:10:13] <jim> buu, didn't you write a perl evalbot for #perl?
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• 1075[09:10:38] <buu> yes
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• 1077[09:10:52] <buu> So many moons ago
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• 1079[09:11:04] <DutchComputerKid> ok
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• 1081[09:11:13] <DutchComputerKid> Yeah #debian-ops works
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• 1083[09:11:36] <jim> DutchComputerKid, ok... maybe the folks there can tell you what the problem is
• 1084[09:11:47] <DutchComputerKid> Ah, good point lol
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• 1086[09:11:51] <DutchComputerKid> thanx jim!
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• 1116[09:25:41] <bitbud> hey hello. i have a question. How do i make my own sort of mount points in linux? like i understand this may be a bit too low level. but i want to make an interaction where every read to a mount point and every write to a mount point would be handled in some type of way
• 1117[09:25:57] <RoyK> mkdir
• 1118[09:26:14] <RoyK> just use some dir and mount a filesystem on it
• 1119[09:26:23] <bitbud> no um thats not what im asking
• 1120[09:26:30] <bitbud> i want to code my own system of mount point
• 1121[09:26:51] <bitbud> as an example i would give something like LUKS where when you read from a mapped LUKS drive it reads and then decrypts data. and then when you write to it, it encrypts then writes to the drive
• 1122[09:27:13] <bitbud> now this read and write function has some code infused into the kernel perhaps. i'm trying to rewrite this code
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• 1124[09:27:25] <bitbud> well, rather, make my own module for this kind of code
• 1125[09:27:36] <RoyK> then rewrite the kernel module :P
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• 1127[09:28:08] <bitbud> not for luks but i want to make my own kernel module that handles this. but tbf i dont even know what to type into google to research this
• 1128[09:28:26] <bitbud> was hoping people could lead me to a certain path then i can take if from there
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• 1139[09:31:03] <bezaban> bitbud: to help clarify, a _mount point_ is only a regular folder. You can easily accomplish what you are describing by mounting a file with an encrypted file system (like luks) as a loop device
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• 1141[09:31:28] <bitbud> ok so maybe mount was a wrong word i used
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• 1143[09:31:40] <bezaban> so maybe the loop device kernel module code is a place to start
• 1144[09:31:46] <bitbud> so like
• 1145[09:32:09] <bezaban> brb
• 1146[09:32:24] <bitbud> my assumption is basically when i go to a dir and i do the command 'ls' that binary reads what is in that pwd and then lists stuff out. but there is a read being done. when i do nano something. and then save it, there is a write being done. same with cp, mv and so on
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• 1148[09:33:15] <bitbud> but that is being done on the hard drive. i would like to make my own module rather where instead of reading from certain directories as a hard drive read. this read data result would come from a different source
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• 1156[09:34:54] <bitbud> and when i do a write into this special type of dir, the write will not be written to the disk, but rather it would be intercepted and sent to do something else
• 1157[09:35:00] <n4dir> not sure if i got you correct, but you want to look into, for example, "man 2 write" and the according other C functions.
• 1158[09:35:14] <buu> bitbud: yes that's what loopback devices do
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• 1160[09:35:41] <n4dir> at least instead of assumptions.
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• 1162[09:35:45] <buu> bitbud: see replaced-url
• 1163[09:36:11] <bitbud> oh i see buu
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• 1165[09:36:26] <bitbud> buu yes but look at "Most of the generic mount options described in mount are supported
• 1166[09:36:26] <bitbud> (ro, rw, suid, nosuid, dev, nodev, exec, noexec, atime, noatime,
• 1167[09:36:26] <bitbud> sync, async, dirsync). Filesystems are mounted with nodev,nosuid by
• 1168[09:36:26] <bitbud> default, which can only be overridden by a privileged user"
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• 1171[09:36:38] <bitbud> oh i didnt realize there were new lines on that paste :(
• 1172[09:36:39] <bitbud> sorry
• 1173[09:36:45] <buu> ?
• 1174[09:36:55] <buu> bitbud: it's a virtual filesystem. in user space.
• 1175[09:36:58] <buu> What more do you want
• 1176[09:37:22] <bezaban> you can have a fs in memory too if you prefer
• 1177[09:37:26] <bitbud> well im just make sure
• 1178[09:37:38] <bitbud> but i think i get it now
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• 1180[09:37:48] <bitbud> yes this loopback/virtual filesystem stuff is what i want
• 1181[09:37:49] <bitbud> thanks
• 1182[09:38:00] <buu> hurray
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• 1184[09:38:50] <bitbud> so the algo here would be for me to replace all basic kind write and reads in there in C with my own sources and destinations. and then i'll have my own kind of loopback device
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• 1193[09:42:30] <bitbud> long live open source
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• 1225[09:56:31] <jolt> A friend of mine wrote a rar-fs, so that he could look at rared videos without unpacking them. Kind of nifty
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• 1318[10:45:26] <DutchComputerKid> test
• 1319[10:45:29] <DutchComputerKid> OK
• 1320[10:45:36] <MaBunny> anyone here???
• 1321[10:45:39] <DutchComputerKid> Me
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• 1323[10:46:00] <DutchComputerKid> Are there any stress tools for CLI?
• 1324[10:46:07] <MaBunny> im having those same gpu problems i discussed here yesterday
• 1325[10:46:24] <MaBunny> can anyone help me solve it???
• 1326[10:46:34] <DutchComputerKid> And what is the problem then?
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• 1329[10:47:30] <MaBunny> well im having trouble starting up Gnome desktop environment
• 1330[10:47:58] <DutchComputerKid> hm, what does it do then?
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• 1333[10:48:01] <MaBunny> and the ncurses based irc client im talking with is showing big problems
• 1334[10:48:09] <DutchComputerKid> ohw
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• 1336[10:48:22] <MaBunny> can anyone help me pls
• 1337[10:48:32] <DutchComputerKid> Are you using an nVidia card and if so, with the correct drivers & firmware?
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• 1340[10:48:56] <MaBunny> im using a Radeon R4
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• 1342[10:49:22] <MaBunny> wait will i post the dmidecode output to a pastebin site?
• 1343[10:49:48] <DutchComputerKid> Ah, that should work just fine then.... Tried diffrent live-cd's to check if it does the same kinda glicthing? It could just be a debian problem.
• 1344[10:49:59] <DutchComputerKid> *tch
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• 1346[10:50:07] <Shadur> Which version of debian are you using?
• 1347[10:50:54] <MaBunny> Shadur: Debian Jessie....its an old installation i had on my desktop
• 1348[10:51:06] <DutchComputerKid> 8.6?
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• 1350[10:51:26] <MaBunny> all are same,but i hav updated it before using here
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• 1353[10:51:44] <MaBunny> no its an o;d install of Debian 8
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• 1356[10:52:02] <DutchComputerKid> owh
• 1357[10:52:07] <MaBunny> used the pendrive from one computer to another
• 1358[10:52:12] <DutchComputerKid> did a pt-get update?
• 1359[10:52:15] <DutchComputerKid> *apt-get
• 1360[10:52:18] <MaBunny> yeah
• 1361[10:52:24] <DutchComputerKid> how odd
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• 1365[10:52:47] <DutchComputerKid> But what does gnome do then when trying to start? Just random output or windows glitching and such?
• 1366[10:52:50] <MaBunny> its a driver problem tht im having...i need to fix it
• 1367[10:52:57] <DutchComputerKid> Ah
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• 1369[10:53:28] <DutchComputerKid> You could try to add the non-free repository and then update to be able to frab firmware
• 1370[10:53:34] <DutchComputerKid> *grab
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• 1373[10:55:06] <MaBunny> paste.debian.net/895806
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• 1375[10:56:33] <DutchComputerKid> Its trying to use your Intel HD graphics chip, not the Radeon
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• 1382[10:59:53] <DutchComputerKid> Try to use HybridGraphics to force usage of the Radeon card/ship
• 1383[10:59:55] <DutchComputerKid> *chip
• 1384[11:00:04] <DutchComputerKid> That should get you somewhere
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• 1437[11:23:52] <Shadur> B
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• 1444[11:25:18] <DutchComputerKid> Guys i'm having a problem, every game like bsdgames, sl, or cowsay don't run at all... why?
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• 1453[11:27:14] <ksk> hola. what is the debian way to load a module (dummy) on startup? wiki.debian.org/Modules does not really tell that.
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• 1458[11:31:13] <RoyK> ksk: add it to /etc/modules
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• 1464[11:33:02] <DutchComputerKid> how to force a file to run as binary application?
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• 1471[11:34:31] <DutchComputerKid> no?
• 1472[11:34:47] <gebruiker> DutchComputerKid: you have to give us some more information on why the games do not run at all. Execute the games from a terminal to get more verbose output
• 1473[11:35:10] <DutchComputerKid> And how to get verbose output? I'm running on a pure CLI envoirement
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• 1475[11:35:22] <DutchComputerKid> *envoirement
• 1476[11:35:29] <DutchComputerKid> No GUI's
• 1477[11:36:00] <gebruiker> so when you fire up a game from a terminal what output do you get ?
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• 1479[11:36:22] <DutchComputerKid> simply "Command not found"
• 1480[11:36:36] <DutchComputerKid> Even when i'm in its installation folder
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• 1482[11:36:53] <themill> what does that actually mean?
• 1483[11:37:03] <DutchComputerKid> hm?
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• 1485[11:37:12] <gebruiker> running a binary from an installation folder should be done ./binary-executable
• 1486[11:37:22] <gebruiker> DutchComputerKid: je moet je hersens gebruiken gap
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• 1488[11:37:29] <DutchComputerKid> gebruiker:weet ik
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• 1490[11:37:42] <DutchComputerKid> But when it use ./ then it hangs
• 1491[11:37:45] <DutchComputerKid> *I
• 1492[11:37:51] <themill> there's no such thing as an "installation folder"
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• 1494[11:38:16] <ksk> Royk: thanks!
• 1495[11:38:22] <gebruiker> DutchComputerKid: Have you downloaded the game or installed it using apt-get ?
• 1496[11:38:30] <DutchComputerKid> In /usr/bin/games/
• 1497[11:38:35] <DutchComputerKid> apt-get
• 1498[11:39:05] <gebruiker> what is the name of the game you installed using apt-get ?
• 1499[11:39:19] <themill> DutchComputerKid: do you mean /usr/games?
• 1500[11:39:20] <DutchComputerKid> cowsay, sl and bsdgames. Nothing runs
• 1501[11:39:40] <DutchComputerKid> oops yeah I meant /usr/games hehe
• 1502[11:39:55] <themill> /usr/games might not be in your PATH. It normally would be for a non-root user
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• 1504[11:40:13] <DutchComputerKid> Oh
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• 1506[11:40:21] <DutchComputerKid> then there's my problem... I am root
• 1507[11:40:39] <DutchComputerKid> Where is the path variable located?
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• 1509[11:40:54] <kevin_808> hey guys, my latop constantly crashes (kernel panic) and i have to force shutdown and turn on again. -> replaced-url
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• 1511[11:41:09] <themill> DutchComputerKid: the root account isn't for playing games
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• 1513[11:41:39] <DutchComputerKid> I know.... But I wanted the power lol... and sudo is so annoying
• 1514[11:41:57] <DutchComputerKid> When I log in to my own name then it should run, right?
• 1515[11:42:55] <pog> good morning, when starting a usb-iso-bootable via grub there are params to find the root dir inside the image. My Question, is there a kernel param to find any image for mounting as /
• 1516[11:42:57] <SCHAAP137> kevin_808, is it in a docking station / port replicator now? With its own NIC?
• 1517[11:43:21] <DutchComputerKid> Welp, reconfig awaaaaaaaay
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• 1520[11:43:41] <kevin_808> SCHAAP137: no. my laptop's wireless card itself which is Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac
• 1521[11:43:41] <SCHAAP137> kevin_808, does the error also occur when the XPS is _not_ in its docking station?
• 1522[11:43:50] <pog> actually I like to start a image via grub, which should be possible, when the root can be assigned.
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• 1525[11:44:55] <SCHAAP137> kevin_808, replaced-url
• 1526[11:45:08] <SCHAAP137> have you followed all guideslines here? It's about your machine type
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• 1531[11:46:45] <pog> kevin_808: may be it's something different, but when i try out antix (which is IMO debian based) some laptop freezed after a while, but other distribution worked correctly
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• 1536[11:48:07] <kevin_808> SCHAAP137: what exactly should i pay attention to? I've installed kernel headers and wl module is being build on its own when i upgrade the kernel
• 1537[11:48:36] <kevin_808> I should mention i didnt have this issue on kernel 3.9 as far as i remember
• 1538[11:48:45] <kevin_808> its been recent kernels that are causing this panic somehow
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• 1561[11:56:50] <DutchComputerKid> Well fail
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• 1591[12:09:23] <DutchComputerKid> why is it so that the PATH variable gets reset on very login?
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• 1597[12:13:09] <jim_carry> I am debian user now :)
• 1598[12:13:16] <DutchComputerKid> brb
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• 1600[12:13:40] <jim_carry> How to run .xinitrc with lightdm?
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• 1603[12:14:04] <nullbyte_> kde?
• 1604[12:14:15] <jim_carry> nullbyte_: xfce
• 1605[12:14:45] <nullbyte_> jim_carry: wrote to .xinitrc 'exec startxfce4'
• 1606[12:14:51] <nullbyte_> and type startx:)
• 1607[12:15:00] <jim_carry> I've some scripts defined in .xinitrc how to run them all when using lightdm
• 1608[12:15:00] <nullbyte_> to /home/user dir
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• 1610[12:15:12] <nullbyte_> apt-get install lightdm
• 1611[12:15:18] <jim_carry> nullbyte_: That is exactly I was doing before when I was using arch
• 1612[12:15:32] <nullbyte_> yes, and
• 1613[12:15:53] <jim_carry> but now I am using lightdm and want to run all my scripts define in .xinitrc
• 1614[12:16:21] <nullbyte_> try to see /etc/X11/default-display-manager
• 1615[12:16:23] <nullbyte_> edit it
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• 1622[12:18:11] <jim_carry> I try
• 1623[12:18:11] <Ke> jim_carry: cat .dmrc ... Session=lightdm-xsession
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• 1626[12:19:13] <Ke> though that's not .xinitrc but .xsession
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• 1635[12:20:40] <DutchComputerKid> I got it finally working! To enable games for root you edit /etc/profile and add /usr/games to export
• 1636[12:20:42] <DutchComputerKid> :D
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• 1638[12:22:09] <jim_carry> I don't really understand what to do. nullbyte_: putting all those lines to /etc/X11/default-display-manager didn't work
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• 1644[12:24:49] <g105b> I want to run a DNS server locally to override the actual DNS of a hostname I am working on. Can anyone recommend a simple light setup that a newbie like me can understand?
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• 1646[12:24:59] <g105b> I'm asking for recommendations, not help Googling.
• 1647[12:25:02] <DutchComputerKid> XD
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• 1651[12:25:47] <petn-randall> g105b: Just add it to /etc/hosts, no need for a dns server.
• 1652[12:26:12] <g105b> petn-randall: CNAME
• 1653[12:27:03] <petn-randall> g105b: You're missing quite a few letters for a full, meaningful sentence.
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• 1655[12:27:41] <g105b> Haha but that involves effort :)
• 1656[12:27:59] <g105b> Well, I have made the distinction that I need more than what /etc/hosts can achieve.
• 1657[12:28:52] <petn-randall> g105b: Then tell us about it so we can give you the most sensible recommendation.
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• 1659[12:29:45] <g105b> I'm looking for a simple software that can run a local DNS server, so that my outgoing HTTP connections use the local DNS server to resolve the addresses.
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• 1662[12:30:35] <g105b> Asking here as I see there are a lot of DNS servers available to Debian, but I'm not looking for a heavy-lifting scalable approach, just something as simple as /etc/hosts but with more than A name resolution.
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• 1664[12:31:41] <petn-randall> g105b: You just told us about your solution, not about your problem. I still don't see why it doesn't work with /etc/hosts.
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• 1668[12:32:56] <petn-randall> g105b: Do you want to map a domain name to another one, that is dynamic?
• 1669[12:33:07] <g105b> Oh I didn't know you could do anything other than A names in /etc/hosts - I'll research how to use /etc/hosts for CNAME and other DNS types.
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• 1674[12:34:12] <francesc1> Good morning, I should virtualize a physical server on a host vmware esxi. Does anyone know tell me what software and procedures can I use? Thank you
• 1675[12:34:18] <g105b> petn-randall: Background: I've set up load balancers and CDNs ready for a relaunch of a website, but I want to test them locally which requires more than A records.
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• 1678[12:35:43] <petn-randall> g105b: You can add as many aliases into /etc/hosts as you want. The only scenario I can think of where it would be impractical is if the IP address is constantly changing. Is that the case?
• 1679[12:35:56] <g105b> petn-randall: Yes.
• 1680[12:36:14] <g105b> Loadbalancers and CDNs are in play.
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• 1683[12:37:07] <petn-randall> g105b: If your domain maps to 3 IPs, I'd just test the consecutively, since testing them all at once might make you miss one of them.
• 1684[12:37:23] <petn-randall> g105b: If that fails, dnsmasq is a fairly simple to configure DNS server.
• 1685[12:37:32] <icebrain> +1 dnsmasq
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• 1687[12:37:52] <g105b> petn-randall: icebrain: Thanks! I've heard of dnsmasq so I'll try that.
• 1688[12:38:02] <icebrain> lets you override certain domains while passing everything else through to another resolver
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• 1690[12:38:36] <g105b> Great that's exactly what I am looking for.
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• 1723[12:50:55] <swordsmanz> guys is there a way to upgrade jessie to testing ?
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• 1725[12:51:23] <swordsmanz> apt-get distupgrade ?
• 1726[12:51:46] <jelly> swordsmanz: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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• 1728[12:52:34] <g105b> swordsmanz: really good guide: replaced-url
• 1729[12:52:49] <swordsmanz> /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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• 1731[12:53:31] <swordsmanz> thanksies jelly
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• 1748[13:02:08] <petn-randall> swordsmanz: You should only upgrade if you understand that testing is pre-release, and a lot of things might not work there yet.
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• 1762[13:07:16] <swordsmanz> petn-randall i get that lol
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• 1810[13:32:34] <PinkPing> why i can’t see utf-8 document in debian?
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• 1814[13:35:01] <themill> In what way can you not see it?
• 1815[13:35:33] <PinkPing> xls file themill
• 1816[13:35:53] <themill> I have no idea what you mean
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• 1819[13:38:00] <bibble> PinkPing: what linux excel app are yoy using, libre, open office ?
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• 1821[13:38:47] <PinkPing> libre
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• 1824[13:39:09] <PinkPing> bibble: and file name is broken too.
• 1825[13:39:12] <themill> So what does "cannot see" mean?
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• 1827[13:39:27] <PinkPing> text is broken
• 1828[13:39:33] <themill> what does that mean>
• 1829[13:39:50] <PinkPing> [][][][][]
• 1830[13:39:58] <PinkPing> text ——> [][][][]
• 1831[13:40:08] <PinkPing> so i can’t see it
• 1832[13:40:11] <themill> Ah
• 1833[13:40:28] <themill> Tried picking a different font?
• 1834[13:40:42] <PinkPing> no
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• 1836[13:40:45] <bibble> PinkPing: filename in directorty manager ? ..perhaps need system wide language installed for those characters, rathet than just excel app
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• 1838[13:40:52] <PinkPing> i think that it is debian problem.
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• 1845[13:42:11] <PinkPing> replaced-url
• 1846[13:42:18] <PinkPing> bibble:
• 1847[13:42:19] <bibble> what characters/language ?
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• 1851[13:42:57] <themill> PinkPing: bash and libreoffice aren't really related here.
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• 1854[13:43:12] <PinkPing> ok
• 1855[13:43:14] <PinkPing> thanks
• 1856[13:43:14] <themill> PinkPing: what font is it trying to use for display?
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• 1864[13:45:29] <superlinux> my server has been running for like 160 days. so I don't want to loose the current uptime. how can I build a linux-headers debian package if i
• 1865[13:45:51] <themill> 1996 wants your uptime stats back
• 1866[13:45:53] <superlinux> my server has been running for like 160 days. so I don't want to loose the current uptime. how can I build a linux-headers debian package if it's missing from the packages catalogue?
• 1867[13:46:20] <gebruiker> loll
• 1868[13:46:54] <gebruiker> if you have not build your own custom kernel you can apt-get install it
• 1869[13:47:06] <superlinux> the kernel in use now has no corresponding linux-headers package in the catalogue
• 1870[13:47:19] <gebruiker> what version kernel ?
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• 1872[13:47:42] <superlinux> gebruiker, from backports 4.4 something .. just a sec
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• 1874[13:48:01] <themill> !snapshot
• 1875[13:48:01] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 1877[13:48:21] <superlinux> 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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• 1889[13:53:10] <Stummi> superkulak, no reboot since 160 days? Shouldn't there be at least one for each kernel update?
• 1890[13:53:30] <Stummi> (also, fapping over uptime stats is kinda idiotic)
• 1891[13:53:40] <jelly> the other superperson.
• 1892[13:53:44] <Stummi> superlinux, ^^
• 1893[13:53:55] <Stummi> (yeah, right, sorry for the noise)
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• 1895[13:54:17] <gebruiker> superlinux: there is no lts support for that kernel version
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• 1897[13:54:38] <gebruiker> superlinux: you might want to use git to fetch the latest source and then build the headers
• 1898[13:54:46] <superlinux> I just want to make 6 months uptime at least then I reboot.
• 1899[13:54:57] <gebruiker> the latest version of 4.5.0-0
• 1900[13:54:58] <superlinux> I just want to brag about it hehehe
• 1901[13:55:24] <superlinux> I can wait. never mind
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• 1903[13:55:49] <gebruiker> perhaps you can boot a new kernel without rebooting
• 1904[13:55:59] <themill> or you could just download the header package.
• 1905[13:56:19] <Stummi> gebruiker, wouldn't that kill the uptime?
• 1906[13:56:38] <gebruiker> Stummi: i am not sure it would i am investigating now
• 1907[13:56:58] <superlinux> themill, the required headers package does not exit in the apt-cache catalogue
• 1908[13:57:19] <themill> I know... that's why I told you where to find it
• 1909[13:58:00] <superlinux> themill, i tried.. the search give me null... maybe there is a special way to search
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• 1916[14:01:15] <superlinux> my goal is just to build vmware workstation modules
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• 1920[14:02:36] <gebruiker> then just git clone -b <branch-version> and then build the headers
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• 1923[14:02:47] <gebruiker> you also can use kexec but you might lose your uptime
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• 1936[14:11:04] <Spida> how would I install Debian on an Odroid-C2 (preferrably in a way that allows me to update the kernel later)?
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• 1942[14:13:03] <gebruiker> Spida: replaced-url
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• 1952[14:17:17] <mdkmk> hi :-) can someone give me a hint or a link to get following stuff done: I want to be able to install on debian jessie specific versions of an apache2 server
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• 1954[14:18:02] <mdkmk> i have installed through the packega manger (apt-get update, install) Apache/2.4.10 (Debian)
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• 1957[14:18:31] <mdkmk> but now i want to install 2.4.2x.
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• 1959[14:18:46] <petn-randall> mdkmk: What other versions of apache2 do you want to install? You can only run one of them at once, and the config changes may be incompatible.
• 1960[14:18:59] <petn-randall> mdkmk: For what reason?
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• 1962[14:19:23] <mdkmk> sorry, my information was misleading. I want to update so a newer version
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• 1969[14:21:37] <mdkmk> i want to update from Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) to -> Apache/2.4.2x
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• 1977[14:24:24] <gebruiker> mdkmk: apt-get install <package name>=<version> i.e apt-get install subversion-tools=1.3.2-5~bpo1
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• 1985[14:26:51] <mdkmk> apt-cache madison apache2
• 1986[14:26:56] <mdkmk> give following output: replaced-url
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• 1988[14:27:23] <mdkmk> but there are only the same versions "2.4.10"
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• 1990[14:27:45] <mdkmk> maybe i need to add backports?
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• 1992[14:28:03] <themill> mdkmk: no, there is no other version of apache2 available for jessie
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• 1994[14:28:16] <mdkmk> ahh ok
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• 1997[14:28:37] <mdkmk> so if i want a specific one, i might download source and compile, right?
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• 2001[14:29:18] <missmbob> ,checkbackport apache2
• 2002[14:29:19] <judd> Backporting package apache2 in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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• 2004[14:29:55] <missmbob> !tell mdkmk about ssb
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• 2006[14:30:23] <missmbob> it'll be a pain in the ass, i'm sure.
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• 2025[14:41:34] <t4nk184> Hi guys, I'm getting an interesting error with apt-get update: "Size of file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_source_Sources.gz is not what the server reported 9496488 9498163"
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• 2027[14:42:16] <t4nk184> It looks to be only happening with sid, jessie is fine
• 2028[14:43:04] <t4nk184> I do see that sid's sources have been updated today on the mirror, could they be corrupted?
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• 2032[14:44:22] <themill> t4nk184: you're getting two different mirrors that are out of sync with each other. Avoiding ftp.us.d.o is normally the best option
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• 2034[14:44:38] <RoyK> themill: this channel is for debian stable, sid is the kid that breaks toys
• 2035[14:44:50] <RoyK> t4nk184: that comment was for you
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• 2038[14:46:48] <t4nk184> themill: that's where I end up with httpredir.. what should I be using instead?
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• 2041[14:47:03] <missmbob> deb.debian.org
• 2042[14:47:14] <t4nk184> RoyK: that I understand, but failing to fetch sources sounds rather extreme
• 2043[14:47:16] <missmbob> !httpredir issues
• 2044[14:47:16] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb replaced-url
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• 2046[14:47:41] <unborn> :)
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• 2048[14:48:41] <t4nk184> kudos, replaced-url
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• 2050[14:49:49] <t4nk184> Wondering if this is something that should be reported
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• 2052[14:50:16] <missmbob> no
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• 2054[14:50:43] <themill> t4nk184: only if you know which specific mirror was at fault, really
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• 2084[15:00:52] <MaBunny> can anyone help me to use chroot properly??
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• 2086[15:01:15] <MaBunny> im having problems running grub properly in the new install
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• 2088[15:01:46] <MaBunny> so i could like to load the install into my present machine and do grub-update from it
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• 2091[15:03:00] <n4dir> including UEFI ? MaBunny
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• 2095[15:03:32] <MaBunny> no,i had set "dont force uefi" during install process
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• 2099[15:04:21] <n4dir> Mhh, the results on the net seem clear enough. Say here: replaced-url
• 2100[15:04:28] <n4dir> what are exactly your problems ?
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• 2102[15:04:44] <MaBunny> im typing chroot ./temp /bin/bash
• 2103[15:05:02] <n4dir> You mount the / of the system you want to chroot too, you mount dev, proc and sys, you do chroot /mountpoint/ and do grub-install (or such)
• 2104[15:05:04] <MaBunny> and .temp is the directory where the root is mounted
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• 2107[15:05:43] <n4dir> ok, and then ?
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• 2109[15:06:11] <MaBunny> and then it doesnt do nything
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• 2111[15:06:21] <MaBunny> gives me an error
• 2112[15:06:28] <n4dir> ok, what error?
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• 2116[15:07:41] <n4dir> do it without /bin/bash, works?
• 2117[15:08:17] <n4dir> might be more easy to start from scratch then to troubleshoot the actual problems, imho.
• 2118[15:08:22] <MaBunny> chroot ./temp
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• 2120[15:08:56] <Namidairo> are you... running the wrong arch?
• 2121[15:09:00] <n4dir> what is the mount command you used to mount /dev/sda1 on ./tmp, what is the full path of tmp
• 2122[15:09:19] <MaBunny> mount -t ext4 -o loop,rw /dev/sdd1 ./temp
• 2123[15:09:24] <n4dir> Namidairo: has a point, i guess
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• 2126[15:10:09] <n4dir> remove -t ext4 and -o loop,rw.
• 2127[15:11:06] <MaBunny> still the same error
• 2128[15:11:17] <Mir4g3> Hi there, can someone tell me why the cron.daily default ist at 6:25? :D
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• 2130[15:11:37] <Mir4g3> I'm asking me this question the hole morning. And can't find anything
• 2131[15:11:40] <Mir4g3> =(
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• 2135[15:12:46] <n4dir> MaBunny: as root: mkdir /media/disk; mount /dev/sdd1 /media/disk; chroot /media/disk; same error? if yes: i sure don't know why
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• 2137[15:13:26] <n4dir> well: what Namidairo said.
• 2138[15:14:10] <bezaban> Mir4g3: what do you mean why? It is the default and it is run from /etc/crontab
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• 2140[15:14:20] <MaBunny> my computer arch is x86,and the pendrive arch is amd64....could it be a problem?
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• 2144[15:14:49] <n4dir> i'd say yes. but i never fool with amd64.
• 2145[15:15:00] <Mir4g3> @bazaban , i know. But i mean, why is the default at 6:25 and not 00:00 or 23:00 - 01:00?
• 2146[15:15:09] <MaBunny> well is there a workaround??
• 2147[15:15:20] <Mir4g3> Is there any reason the developer had to put the cron.daily default at that time?
• 2148[15:15:31] <n4dir> MaBunny: use a x86 CD
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• 2151[15:15:48] <MaBunny> my laptop is amd64 arch based
• 2152[15:15:51] <bezaban> Mir4g3: usually because that is a time with low traffic I assume, why that is selected as a default I don't know. If it is not a suitable time for you, change it
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• 2154[15:16:15] <MaBunny> anyone help me pls
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• 2159[15:17:27] <Mir4g3> @bezaban, okay thank you. Yes i changed it before, but it interested me, why the dev took that time. Thank You! =)
• 2160[15:17:27] <MaBunny> also if i log into grub shell,can anyone guide me to set grub commands so as to remedy the situation??
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• 2164[15:17:51] <bezaban> Mir4g3: it's hard to select any time of the day as a 'correct' time, one time will suit some, another will suit others :)
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• 2180[15:27:04] <purpur> MaBunny: You could try to enable multi-arch on your x64 environment and try to run bin bash again. Thats just a guess however
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• 2283[16:16:23] <EDinNY> I seem to have run out of space on /dev, /run, and other tmpfs mounts...how do I increase these? I think it used to be in fstab.
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• 2286[16:17:57] <centrx> EDinNY: Those are stored in memory/RAM, so sounds like a system issue, not a hard disk space issue
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• 2288[16:18:30] <EDinNY> Where are the sizes defined, or does the fact that they are full mean I have some other issue?
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• 2292[16:19:10] <petn-randall> EDinNY: Are you seeing any errors in that regard? Could be that they just grow in size when needed.
• 2293[16:19:42] <EDinNY> I am trying to enable/disable some apache sites, and it says disk full.
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• 2295[16:20:09] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2296[16:20:09] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2297[16:20:15] <EDinNY> df -h, and df -hi show I have space on my hard drive
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• 2299[16:20:36] <petn-randall> EDinNY: Can you show us the commands + errors you get on replaced-url
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• 2301[16:21:57] <EDinNY> sudo service apache2 reload
• 2302[16:22:04] <EDinNY> Error: No space left on device
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• 2305[16:23:05] <petn-randall> EDinNY: Which release are you running?
• 2306[16:23:11] <EDinNY> Jessie
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• 2308[16:23:34] <petn-randall> EDinNY: Can you show us the output of 'mount'?
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• 2313[16:25:04] <EDinNY> replaced-url
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• 2316[16:25:17] <EDinNY> df -h
• 2317[16:25:20] <EDinNY> oops
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• 2322[16:26:29] <EDinNY> petn-randall?
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• 2329[16:27:53] <EDinNY> Did you say that these memory drives grow as needed, so there should be 0 available?
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• 2332[16:28:53] <jhutchins> EDinNY: Why do you think the space problem is on these pseudo devices?
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• 2334[16:29:15] <EDinNY> Your right. I read it wrong. It is not on the pseudo devices
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• 2336[16:31:40] <EDinNY> It is not on the real hard drive replaced-url
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• 2338[16:31:40] <petn-randall> EDinNY: And what does 'df -h' say?
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• 2340[16:31:53] <EDinNY> petn-randall: just sent it
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• 2342[16:32:42] <petn-randall> EDinNY: Yep, got it. That's weird. Are you sure that you're on the right machine? Did you maybe set up some weird user disk quotas?
• 2343[16:32:42] <EDinNY> Using half the memory and zero swap
• 2344[16:33:18] <petn-randall> EDinNY: If you're running out of RAM it would have been "Out of Memory".
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• 2346[16:33:48] <EDinNY> pretty much a stock install on a Google Cloud machine with some wordpress sites
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• 2353[16:35:17] <petn-randall> EDinNY: Did you install Debian via one of the official images, or did you get an image from your provider? In the latter case you'll have to ask them for support, they probably screwed something up.
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• 2356[16:35:39] <EDinNY> ug. it is a google image
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• 2362[16:37:08] <tetsuo> hello guys, anyone familiar with debian packaging? I need my debian/install file to avoid certain folder inside
• 2363[16:37:08] <jhutchins> EDinNY: My guess would be that you have something pointed to a non-existant target.
• 2364[16:37:16] <tetsuo> like, I have this rule: app/* some/folder/myapp
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• 2366[16:37:26] <tetsuo> but I want a folder inside app/thisfolder skipped
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• 2368[16:37:44] <EDinNY> Where does that rule exist?
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• 2373[16:38:00] <tetsuo> in my debian/install
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• 2375[16:38:23] <petn-randall> tetsuo: #packaging on irc.oftc.net is better suited for packaging questions.
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• 2377[16:38:40] <tetsuo> thanks for pointing me!
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• 2379[16:38:56] <EDinNY> It has been working fine for months...how could that have changed? tetsuo?
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• 2381[16:39:13] <PinkPing> what is C.UTF-8?
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• 2385[16:39:57] <tetsuo> EDinNY, what?
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• 2389[16:40:36] <EDinNY> was that packaging comment for me, tetsuo?
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• 2391[16:41:11] <tetsuo> EDinNY, I thought you were asking me
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• 2393[16:41:31] <tetsuo> so I replied to you
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• 2398[16:42:20] <EDinNY> tetsuo: is that an install issue?
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• 2400[16:43:27] <tetsuo> EDinNY, it's more a packaging problem, I'm trying to build a new debian package
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• 2409[16:47:48] <ecksun> when getting the sources of a package with `apt source`, it often gives me a note about using git instead. Is there a way to just get the source URL directly?
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• 2418[16:51:08] <d3co> !hi
• 2419[16:51:08] <dpkg> hello, d3co
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• 2421[16:51:46] <d3co> odbc sql server, some one has configurated?
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• 2424[16:55:02] <abrotman> d3co: that's vague .. what are you trying to do?
• 2425[16:55:34] <d3co> I need connect with a sqlserver msserver
• 2426[16:55:57] <d3co> by odbc
• 2427[16:56:24] <abrotman> from what?
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• 2429[16:56:43] <abrotman> an application? a programming language? which OS? which version of that OS?
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• 2432[16:58:02] <RoyK> d3co: if you carefully explain what you're trying to do, in detail, someone may be able to help out ;)
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• 2434[16:58:32] <d3co> OK :)
• 2435[16:58:34] <d3co> SO
• 2436[16:59:12] <d3co> I try to connect my python app to msserver, to get with a freetsd, check this: replaced-url
• 2437[16:59:28] <d3co> freetds is ok!
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• 2442[17:00:54] <d3co> not working with python, I think python is trying to connect by some odbc config
• 2443[17:00:57] <RoyK> d3co: then what's the complaints from the python app?
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• 2446[17:02:12] <d3co> RoyK: python3 looking for a odbc config I think
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• 2448[17:02:27] <RoyK> then you may want to give it one...
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• 2451[17:04:22] <d3co> I did
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• 2453[17:05:02] <d3co> but a lot config to odbc.ini :|
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• 2510[17:27:22] <Spida> replaced-url
• 2511[17:27:23] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2513[17:27:38] <Spida> is it possible that these bugs are duplicates of each other?
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• 2564[17:53:51] <OS-18137> i have a box running lenny. i configured /etc/apt/sources.list to use the archival mirror. everything i have read searching the web says that i should now run apt-get install debian-archive-keyring followed by apt-get update. but when i do so apt says it already hase the package installed, and then refuses the update because the key is wrong. what should i do? i have used wget to download the replaced-url
• 2565[17:54:14] <dumbl3d0re> I'm going to install Stretch by making a minimal Jessie installation and when change the /etc/apt/sources.list file.
• 2566[17:54:24] <OS-18137> just add this to the keyring? please note that i have already read the documentation about secure apt on the debian wiki
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• 2568[17:54:53] <dumbl3d0re> Should I change ALL the occurences of "jessie" in the file, even in the commented out lines?
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• 2577[17:59:26] <zykotick9> dumbl3d0re: can i ask, why do you want to run testing...
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• 2590[18:03:19] <dumbl3d0re> zykotick9: Because an important package was introduced first in Stretch's repositories, and it's a lot of work to backport it.
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• 2595[18:04:40] <zykotick9> dumbl3d0re: ahh. well best of luck then. (at least you have a specific reason)
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• 2599[18:05:08] <zykotick9> dumbl3d0re: note, testing support in in #debian-next on the OFTC network
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• 2606[18:05:52] <dumbl3d0re> zykotick9: Thank you! I find my way there. :)
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• 2623[18:10:43] <daemon> hey all
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• 2625[18:10:51] <daemon> anyone use wine having a problem launching an application
• 2626[18:10:54] <daemon> err:wgl:has_opengl Failed to load libGL: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
• 2627[18:10:54] <daemon> err:wgl:has_opengl OpenGL support is disabled.
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• 2634[18:14:13] <ryouma> is this likely a hardware issue? "INFO: task rsync:32433 blocked for more than 120 seconds."
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• 2638[18:15:26] <centrx> ryouma: Could be system load
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• 2641[18:15:36] <centrx> ryouma: replaced-url
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• 2643[18:16:24] <theThird1> how to check if i368 packages are activated?
• 2644[18:16:38] <theThird1> (dpkg --add-architecture i386=
• 2645[18:16:39] <theThird1> )
• 2646[18:17:07] <stew> theThird1: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
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• 2649[18:17:52] <theThird1> thanks
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• 2652[18:18:20] <petn-randall> daemon: Which release of Debian are you running?
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• 2658[18:20:07] <daemon> petn-randall, jessies/stable
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• 2667[18:25:54] <ryouma> centrx: nothing in there about a kernel bug for my processor. system not under load except for the rsync itself. thus, i am guessing it is the patriot :(. (usb2.)
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• 2669[18:25:59] <petn-randall> daemon: How did you install wine?
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• 2676[18:29:21] <daemon> petn-randall, apt-get install wine32
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• 2678[18:29:48] <daemon> well actually apt-get install wine
• 2679[18:29:54] <daemon> but then it said it could not execute a 32bit binary without wine32
• 2680[18:29:58] <daemon> so I installed that
• 2681[18:30:43] <petn-randall> daemon: I see. What are you trying to run?
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• 2683[18:30:56] <daemon> an old game called beasts & Bumpkins
• 2684[18:31:03] <daemon> windows 95/98
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• 2686[18:31:54] <petn-randall> daemon: Do you have the non-freee nvidia drivers installed?
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• 2688[18:32:19] <daemon> petn-randall, yes
• 2689[18:32:30] <daemon> petn-randall, quake and stuff all work
• 2690[18:32:42] <petn-randall> daemon: replaced-url
• 2691[18:32:48] <petn-randall> daemon: ^^^ that might fix it for you.
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• 2693[18:33:27] <daemon> I will give it a whirl cheers
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• 2695[18:33:49] <petn-randall> daemon: Problem is that nvidia apparently doesn't ship 32 bit versions of libgl.
• 2696[18:33:57] <daemon> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf
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• 2701[18:36:01] <crayon> kunwon1,
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• 2713[18:39:26] <password2> hmmm 32bits
• 2714[18:39:33] <password2> that old
• 2715[18:39:39] <password2> cant wait for 128bits
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• 2719[18:42:03] <xinming> What is the best way to reload all deb packages installed on this system?
• 2720[18:42:17] <xinming> 'dpkg --get-selections | awk '{ print $1 }' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall -y -d' <--- This is the command I thought and tried.
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• 2723[18:42:39] <xinming> It works for most of the package. But there is some still won't be downloaded
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• 2725[18:43:02] <xinming> As I'll still see something like Reinstallation of php5-cli is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
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• 2734[18:46:36] <TomTomTo1> ,v php5-cli
• 2735[18:46:37] <judd> Package: php5-cli on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u5; jessie: 5.6.24+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.6.26+dfsg-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.6.27+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.27+dfsg-0+deb8u1
• 2736[18:46:59] <TomTomTo1> is that a stretch system? php5-cli is not in testing.
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• 2750[18:50:52] <xinming> TomTomTo1: Yes, It's a stretch system
• 2751[18:51:08] <xinming> TomTomTo1: But some packages which is like libc may not able to be reinstalled either IIRC
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• 2755[18:53:18] <Polymorphism> what does Installed package libghc-http-dev is too new
• 2756[18:53:18] <Polymorphism> mean
• 2757[18:53:36] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2758[18:53:37] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2759[18:53:40] <petn-randall> Polymorphism: ^^^
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• 2775[19:01:34] <Polymorphism> E: Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for rss2irc: Installed package libghc-http-dev is too new
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• 2778[19:02:39] <spacebug^> After some time (weeks), the "places" extentions in Gnome stops to work. I get bring up the menu but when I click menu items I get this in /var/log/messages replaced-url
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• 2782[19:04:30] <petn-randall> Polymorphism: Can you provide the things dpkg requested?
• 2783[19:04:36] <petn-randall> ,v rss2irc
• 2784[19:04:37] <judd> Package: rss2irc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.2-4; jessie: 1.0.6-3; stretch: 1.1-1; sid: 1.1-1
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• 2794[19:08:50] <Polymorphism> I wanted to just modify the source and reinstall
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• 2804[19:13:35] <missmbob> too new. sounds like you're mixing repos.
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• 2806[19:14:00] <labelcd6> I can ping my own IP address but am getting "unknown host" when I ping replaced-url
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• 2808[19:14:14] <missmbob> you need to set up dns
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• 2812[19:15:18] <labelcd6> What does that mean?
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• 2821[19:16:27] <missmbob> how did you set up your network access?
• 2822[19:16:46] <Polymorphism> missmbob do you know how to fix it
• 2823[19:17:05] <missmbob> Polymorphism: mixing repos isn't supported. you're on your own when you do that
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• 2827[19:17:47] <petn-randall> Polymorphism: We can't help you if you don't provide details we ask for.
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• 2831[19:18:01] <riot> ohai. Are there any current non-uefi installers left over? Default one does indeed crash my old core2quad.
• 2832[19:18:44] <labelcd6> missmbob: replaced-url
• 2833[19:18:46] <petn-randall> riot: You should be able to force BIOS mode through UEFI settings.
• 2834[19:18:58] <missmbob> riot: all debian installers support bios. are you using usb?
• 2835[19:18:59] <jelly> riot: the default debian-installer image supports both bios and uefi
• 2836[19:19:18] <petn-randall> riot: It's not the installer that chooses UEFI or legacy mode, it's your UEFI/BIOS choosing that.
• 2837[19:19:27] <riot> i cp the installer to a usb stick insert the usb stick into the machine (Abit IX38 Quad GT board) -> it crashes before booting
• 2838[19:19:30] <labelcd6> missmbob: for wpa/wpa2 option. I have configured interfaces in /etc/network
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• 2840[19:19:38] <missmbob> labelcd6: nano -w /etc/resolv.conf and then add something like "nameserver 8.8.8.8" with no quotes
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• 2842[19:19:58] <petn-randall> riot: You might need to update the firmware, or force legacy mode in the settings.
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• 2844[19:20:13] <riot> it does _not have any of that_
• 2845[19:20:15] <missmbob> riot: exactly which iso image did you get? full filename
• 2846[19:20:19] <jelly> a core2 system probably wouldn't have a decent uefi firmware anyway
• 2847[19:20:24] <Polymorphism> paypal bitcoin PM me if you can solve my issue
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• 2849[19:20:37] <jelly> riot: are you sure the firmware supports uefi at all?
• 2850[19:20:38] <riot> the usual /debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
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• 2853[19:20:52] <Polymorphism> all I want to do is change one string and then install package
• 2854[19:20:56] <riot> does anyone really read what i write? The bios does _not_ have uefi
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• 2856[19:21:11] <jelly> riot: why did you mention uefi then?
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• 2859[19:21:38] <riot> jelly: uhm. maybe because I'm looking for a non-uefi installer, the board understands?
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• 2862[19:21:47] <Polymorphism> missmbob: how do I just edit one file and then install debian package
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• 2864[19:21:56] <riot> i can boot grml 2014 perfectly fine, but obviously the debootstrap on that is out of date. :(
• 2865[19:22:04] <missmbob> Polymorphism: when you mixed repos you dont.
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• 2867[19:22:13] <Polymorphism> I dont need to mix any repo
• 2868[19:22:21] <Polymorphism> all I need to do is chante *one* word
• 2869[19:22:22] <jelly> riot: eh, you can grab debootstrap from sid
• 2870[19:22:25] <Polymorphism> in the original package
• 2871[19:22:34] <Polymorphism> a string is wrong
• 2872[19:22:40] <Polymorphism> I need to change the string
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• 2876[19:22:53] <Polymorphism> seems like it should be simple but... 1.5 hours research
• 2877[19:22:55] <Polymorphism> no luck
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• 2879[19:23:15] <riot> i'd very much prefer an installer that can boot on that box.
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• 2882[19:23:42] <missmbob> riot: you can try alpha8 installer
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• 2887[19:24:06] <Polymorphism> ???
• 2888[19:24:07] <Polymorphism> alpha 8??
• 2889[19:24:09] <Polymorphism> how does thta help me
• 2890[19:24:12] <Polymorphism> how much paypal u need
• 2891[19:24:13] <Polymorphism> 100usd?
• 2892[19:24:15] <Polymorphism> 1000usd?
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• 2894[19:24:19] <Polymorphism> or isbitcoin ok
• 2895[19:24:20] <Polymorphism> pm me
• 2896[19:24:24] <Polymorphism> I dont have time for wasting time
• 2897[19:24:37] <jelly> Polymorphism: they were talking to someone else.
• 2898[19:25:00] <Polymorphism> ic
• 2899[19:25:21] <riot> missmbob: thanks, will try now.
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• 2905[19:27:03] <Polymorphism> replaced-url
• 2906[19:27:06] <Polymorphism> why does this fail at step
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• 2908[19:27:13] <Polymorphism> sudo apt-get build-dep fdupes
• 2909[19:27:18] <Polymorphism> apt provides a way of easily installing all the needed dependencies:
• 2910[19:27:19] <Polymorphism> does it????
• 2911[19:27:22] <Polymorphism> doesnt seem to work at all
• 2912[19:27:25] <Polymorphism> I'm about to switch distro
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• 2915[19:28:01] <greycat> !exact
• 2916[19:28:07] <Polymorphism> exact issue here
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• 2918[19:28:09] <Polymorphism> that step of the guide
• 2919[19:28:09] <Polymorphism> error
• 2920[19:28:10] <jelly> Polymorphism: if you want help, you'll have to learn to carefully follow instructions
• 2921[19:28:18] <greycat> Stupid bot.
• 2922[19:28:35] <greycat> dpkg, exact is <reply>Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was.
• 2923[19:28:35] <dpkg> okay, greycat
• 2924[19:28:49] <Polymorphism> apt-get build-dep rss2irc
• 2925[19:28:55] <Polymorphism> E: Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for rss2irc: Installed package libghc-http-dev is too new
• 2926[19:28:59] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2927[19:28:59] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2928[19:29:05] <Polymorphism> its all there
• 2929[19:29:07] <Polymorphism> what next?
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• 2931[19:29:14] <greycat> "installed package is too new"? Sounds like a frankendebian.
• 2932[19:29:16] <petn-randall> Polymorphism: Sounding like a broken record, can you provide the info dpkg asked for?
• 2933[19:29:25] <Polymorphism> just did
• 2934[19:29:33] <petn-randall> Polymorphism: Where?
• 2935[19:29:36] <jelly> Polymorphism: !bat in your case means also 2. "apt-cache policy rss2irc libghc-http-dev" and 3. "apt-cache policy" output
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• 2937[19:30:02] <jelly> Polymorphism: put all of it into a single pastebin on replaced-url
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• 2939[19:31:31] <Polymorphism> replaced-url
• 2940[19:31:35] <Polymorphism> I think I've found the issue
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• 2942[19:31:56] <missmbob> i told you cant mix repos like that a while ago
• 2943[19:32:07] <Polymorphism> I had to fix some issues a while back
• 2944[19:32:25] <Polymorphism> how shall I proceed?
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• 2947[19:32:34] <missmbob> reinstall
• 2948[19:32:43] <Polymorphism> what???
• 2949[19:32:44] <petn-randall> sid, wheezy, jessie?
• 2950[19:32:49] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
• 2951[19:32:50] <missmbob> you broke it. reinstall
• 2952[19:32:50] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 2953[19:32:51] <Polymorphism> I needed some packages from all 3
• 2954[19:33:03] <missmbob> you did it wrong. you dont just add repos. understand that
• 2955[19:33:06] <missmbob> !dont break debian
• 2956[19:33:07] <dpkg> i guess dont break debian is replaced-url
• 2957[19:33:10] <petn-randall> Polymorphism: You don't, you stick with one release and backport any software you need.
• 2958[19:33:11] <riot> missmbob: nah, same result. bios gets stuck upon drive detection (very early, actually, even before trying any SATA drives)
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• 2960[19:33:21] <jelly> Polymorphism: you seem to have binary (deb) repos for debian 7, debian 8 and unstable branch all installed. This _will_ break the packaging system on that installation
• 2961[19:33:24] <missmbob> riot: then i dont know
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• 2965[19:34:09] <riot> missmbob: i assume you meant this one: replaced-url
• 2966[19:34:27] <jelly> Polymorphism: which debian release was this supposed to be?
• 2967[19:34:32] <Polymorphism> I'm not sure
• 2968[19:34:38] <petn-randall> riot: Is a little of a stretch, but you could try the wheezy installer, and then just upgrade.
• 2969[19:34:46] <missmbob> riot: no but close enough. alpha8 isnt a daily build but it wouldnt matter in this case
• 2970[19:34:49] <jelly> Polymorphism: when did you install the system?
• 2971[19:34:54] <Polymorphism> probably 8
• 2972[19:35:13] <Polymorphism> within a year or so
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• 2976[19:35:55] <Polymorphism> how can I repair without reinstall
• 2977[19:36:05] <jelly> Polymorphism: depending on how many packages you installed from sid (unstable), the sanest thing would be to make a new debian 8 system, migrate apps and data
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• 2979[19:36:08] <Polymorphism> I dont want to setup lamp + multiitude of servers again
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• 2982[19:36:32] <petn-randall> Polymorphism: You can copy over the config, but downgrading is not supported.
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• 2984[19:36:38] <riot> petn-randall: sounds like a good idea. I'm not afraid of upgrading (not even to sid+exp >;)
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• 2989[19:37:24] <missmbob> config files may not be backwards compatible
• 2990[19:37:32] <missmbob> so there's that. thus reinstall suggestion
• 2991[19:37:32] <jelly> Polymorphism: what kinds of services do you have installed there?
• 2992[19:37:45] <petn-randall> riot: I'd have a mix of stretch/sid and pin stretch higher. sid is always a bumpy ride just before the freeze.
• 2993[19:37:59] <jelly> apart from lamp stack and virtualhosts
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• 2995[19:38:26] <Polymorphism> lots, I guess I will wipe it all out and start over
• 2996[19:38:29] <Polymorphism> it seems to be the only way
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• 2998[19:38:39] <Polymorphism> sometimes lessons must be painful and extremely costly
• 2999[19:38:41] <Polymorphism> this is the way of things
• 3000[19:38:43] <jelly> not the only, but the sanest and safest one
• 3001[19:39:00] <Polymorphism> starting backup now
• 3002[19:39:10] <jelly> how much $$$ are you losing for an hour of downtime?
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• 3005[19:39:37] <Polymorphism> hopefully none if I plan this properly
• 3006[19:39:44] <riot> petn-randall: imho, the best trick is to _not_ update too often and keep security high via other means (like firewall-restricting what goes out, _not_ using certain software etc) - oh and, yes, watch out for freezes ;>
• 3007[19:40:23] <riot> hmm, just cp-ing the image crashes again. Boy am i happy to now have a new machine with uefi..
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• 3010[19:41:38] <jelly> riot: consider booting from dvd or cd instead of usb on such old hardware
• 3011[19:41:54] <petn-randall> riot: I'd do the pinning, then install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs, and set it to always show the NEWS and changelogs. That way you get a good picture of what you're bringing onto your system.
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• 3075[20:14:36] <Polymorphism> ok
• 3076[20:14:40] <Polymorphism> now how do I avoid breaking it again
• 3077[20:14:43] <Polymorphism> this is the critical moment
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• 3079[20:14:50] <Polymorphism> I need to edit my sources.list
• 3080[20:15:06] <greycat> Why do you believe you need to edit sources.list?
• 3081[20:15:20] <Polymorphism> "You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list"
• 3082[20:15:28] <greycat> !jessie sources.list
• 3083[20:15:28] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 3089[20:17:23] <jelly> Polymorphism: never add any "deb" lines for a newer release or a different distro. deb-src, however, may be added safely (and is often done if you're doing local backport builds)
• 3090[20:17:40] <Polymorphism> so do I just find one and paste
• 3091[20:17:43] <Polymorphism> Like I did a year or so ago
• 3092[20:17:48] <Polymorphism> this command wont run
• 3093[20:17:50] <jelly> find one what?
• 3094[20:17:59] <greycat> What are you trying to do?
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• 3098[20:18:54] <Polymorphism> edit a source file and then install a package
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• 3101[20:19:15] <greycat> WHY do you believe you have to edit sources.list? What's wrong with that you have in it now? What are you trying to install?
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• 3103[20:19:34] <Polymorphism> replaced-url
• 3104[20:19:36] <Polymorphism> this tutorial
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• 3106[20:19:40] <Polymorphism> the command wont run
• 3107[20:19:48] <Polymorphism> it says to add sources to my list
• 3108[20:19:52] <greycat> I can't even guess from the page title... building what?
• 3109[20:19:58] <Polymorphism> rss2irc
• 3110[20:20:11] <greycat> ,v rss2irc
• 3111[20:20:13] <judd> Package: rss2irc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.4.2-4; jessie: 1.0.6-3; stretch: 1.1-1; sid: 1.1-1
• 3112[20:20:20] <greycat> Why can't you just do "apt-get install rss2irc"?
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• 3114[20:20:37] <Polymorphism> I need to edit the source
• 3115[20:20:47] <jelly> !package rebuild
• 3116[20:20:47] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
• 3117[20:20:54] <jelly> !deb-src
• 3118[20:20:54] <dpkg> 'deb-src replaced-url
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• 3121[20:21:02] <greycat> OK, fine. Then you just use the STOCK JESSIE sources that you should already have after installing jessie.
• 3122[20:21:29] <greycat> If the installer didn't add a deb-src line, you just copy/paste your primary deb line and put "-src" in it.
• 3123[20:21:43] <greycat> No other changes should be made.
• 3124[20:21:55] <Polymorphism> ok I will try this]
• 3125[20:21:58] <jelly> Polymorphism: I'm assuming you're find with other functionality from 1.0.6-3, and just need one specific string changed.
• 3126[20:22:02] <jelly> fine* with
• 3127[20:22:09] <Polymorphism> yes
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• 3142[20:28:54] <cloudowind> 123
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• 3144[20:29:31] <Polymorphism> replaced-url
• 3145[20:29:36] <Polymorphism> why dont I have a debuild command?
• 3146[20:29:41] <Polymorphism> everything else is working so far
• 3147[20:30:00] <greycat> I would trust the bot's factoid over a wiki page.
• 3148[20:30:16] <Polymorphism> apt-get install devscripts fixed it
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• 3151[20:30:52] <Polymorphism> I had missed it
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• 3153[20:31:15] <cloudowind> i wanna speak to Ian if he is here...
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• 3163[20:34:32] <unborn> 0o
• 3164[20:34:42] <petn-randall> cloudowind: Which Ian? There might be a few in a channel with a few hundred people in it.
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• 3180[20:40:09] <dtonal_> does nice stands really for nice or is it an abbreviation for somethin else? has anybody an idea?
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• 3182[20:40:27] <greycat> It's an English word. It means pleasant, considerate, etc.
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• 3184[20:41:02] <cloudowind> pink floyd is english too
• 3185[20:41:04] <greycat> Note, this is a 20th century usage. The original word I believe meant "precise" or something similar. That's not the intended connotation.
• 3186[20:41:04] <dtonal_> i mean the command priority nice :P
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• 3188[20:41:21] <greycat> Yes. The nice(1) command. It means "be considerate of other users".
• 3189[20:41:35] <dtonal_> aaaaaaaah, thx greycat
• 3190[20:41:39] <dtonal_> thats makes sense
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• 3192[20:42:33] <greycat> 3. Overscrupulous or exacting; hard to please or satisfy; fastidious in small matters. [1913 Webster] <== Not that one.
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• 3213[20:52:46] <jhutchins> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
• 3214[20:52:47] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.7; sid/contrib: 1:3.7
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• 3219[20:53:28] <jhutchins> dtonal_: In Linux the meaning is similar to the usage "plays nice with others".
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• 3222[20:54:03] <greycat> HP-UX man page:
• 3223[20:54:08] <greycat> The nice command executes command at a nondefault CPU scheduling
• 3224[20:54:08] <greycat> priority. (The name is derived from being "nice" to other system
• 3225[20:54:08] <greycat> users by running large programs at lower priority.)
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• 3229[20:55:02] <plasmid> hello... i am trying to do a package update and I get this error on the gui (hence unable to update): E: replaced-url
• 3230[20:55:24] <plasmid> what needs to change in order for the updates to go through?
• 3231[20:55:57] <greycat> Wait 5-10 minutes, apt-get update again, try the upgrade/install again.
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• 3234[20:57:12] <jhutchins> plasmid: ppossibly the repo you're using is not in sync.
• 3235[20:57:42] <jhutchins> !mirror status
• 3236[20:57:42] <dpkg> Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: replaced-url
• 3237[20:58:33] <jhutchins> plasmid: I have deb replaced-url
• 3238[20:58:37] <plasmid> jhutchins: Interesting.. I ran the apt-get update on the CLI and it fetched the required packages. I am now doing apt-get upgrade (and it seems to be working ok) Somethign not syncing right on the GUI.. I reckon.
• 3239[20:58:54] <artaoss> lakitu: yea I'm not really sure man. This is a very weird setup. Why are you trying to update from a USB?
• 3240[20:58:54] <artaoss> <artaoss> anybody know if i'm configuring isolinux.cfg, for a clonezilla based live cd, and i wanna be able to have the boot process pull options from a txt file that i'll need to prepare seperatly & can't roll into the ISO?
• 3241[20:58:54] <artaoss> <lakitu> nicomachus: i am setting up a offline comp - bought the offline repository from OSDisc.com, had another distro sete up like this
• 3242[20:58:54] <artaoss> <artaoss> if i can just put a line in like ocs_prerun="mount blah /mnt" then ocs_live_run=/mnt/comandfile
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• 3244[20:59:10] <jhutchins> plasmid: More likely the repo completed it's update while you were trying to figure it out.
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• 3246[20:59:53] <artaoss> hey, anyone good with isolinux.cfg & options for live cd customization?
• 3247[21:00:03] <jhutchins> !live
• 3248[21:00:03] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
• 3249[21:00:16] <plasmid> jhutchins: cehcking sources if i have: "deb replaced-url
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• 3251[21:00:40] <artaoss> @ jhutchins: thanks
• 3252[21:00:41] <greycat> If you're trying to create your own installer, I'd try #debian-boot on OFTC.
• 3253[21:00:42] <jhutchins> plasmid: What you have appears to work.
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• 3256[21:02:03] <artaoss> @ jhutchins: specifically i am trying to recall if i can have isolinux.cfg append commands to the boot item from a file mounted during boot.
• 3257[21:02:19] <plasmid> jhutchins: hmm.. in the GUI there is no way to do a "apt-get update" .. I think that was it. Thank you. :-) Lua updated .. :-)
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• 3261[21:02:52] <yomm> Hi can someone point me in the right direction on how I can 'fix' input devices (eg. /dev/input/hiddev0 and 1) to 'physical devices' so they keep the same order after reboot ?
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• 3263[21:03:55] <greycat> I've never heard of anyone asking how to keep their keybord device names constant.
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• 3265[21:04:12] <greycat> Or maybe these are mice. Gotta be one or the other, right?
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• 3267[21:04:36] <yomm> ir-receiver, powermate etc.. :)
• 3268[21:04:54] <yomm> lirc
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• 3273[21:05:34] <yomm> specifically my lirc device keeps switching from hiddev0 to 1 or 2 after reboots
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• 3277[21:07:03] <yomm> which cripples my headless media debian box :(
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• 3279[21:07:36] <greycat> Well, in general it sounds like something udev would be used for. I don't know anything about doing it with hiddev* things.
• 3280[21:08:35] <greycat> You could look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules for hints about the format maybe.
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• 3286[21:09:35] <yomm> Ah i see udev is the way to go, I will look into it, thank you !
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• 3299[21:16:13] <Polymorphism> ty
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• 3312[21:17:56] <artaoss> @greycat: not creating custom installer.. custom clonezilla iso that'll pull settings from a text file because i'm running it via a very choppy ILO connection and the guided config is touchy as hell.
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• 3314[21:18:41] <greycat> Out of everything you said, I think I understood the words "text file".
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• 3321[21:20:03] <artaoss> lol greycat, i want to have a bootable iso that will auto configure the nic from a txt file not in the ISO, but attached thru some other magic.
• 3322[21:20:42] <greycat> A bootable ISO... of Debian? Or of something else?
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• 3324[21:21:19] <artaoss> for simplicity sake, yes clonezilla is built on debian kernel.
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• 3326[21:21:42] <missmbob> you should be asking the clonezilla people
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• 3329[21:21:58] <greycat> There's a #clonezilla channel.
• 3330[21:22:02] <greycat> Not many people in it.
• 3331[21:22:08] <TomasCZ> preseed file huh? Debian uses that. Centos/redHat uses kickstart
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• 3333[21:22:23] <TomasCZ> artaoss, ^
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• 3337[21:23:20] <artaoss> greycat & missmbob: well to be frank isolinux.cfg is probably a grub type question.. but i'm pretty short on sleep lately & I ususally find someone in IRC that helps me refresh my verbiage so i can get a good google search.
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• 3339[21:23:36] <artaoss> tomascz: i think thats what i want, preseed
• 3340[21:23:50] <greycat> !preseed
• 3341[21:23:50] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
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• 3343[21:23:58] <greycat> But he's not installing Debian. He said.
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• 3345[21:24:41] <artaoss> greycat: its same process though.. clonezilla has to configure an OS before it can load image or capture image
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• 3347[21:25:07] <greycat> If it's the same process as customizing the d-i Debian installer, then ask in #debian-boot on OFTC as I said originally.
• 3348[21:25:27] <greycat> If it's customizing clonezilla, then ask in #clonezilla
• 3349[21:26:35] <gunknown> Hello. I want to install nodejs. Looking to the website there is a version v6.9.1. Apt offers me version 0.10.29, which does not exist at all according to the website. How does this fit?
• 3350[21:26:44] <artaoss> tomazcz: the preseed allows you to load stuff youy know.. i'll ask in clonezilla i need it to kindof reach out to someplace else for stuff, thats not DHCP
• 3351[21:27:23] <greycat> ,v nodejs
• 3352[21:27:24] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; sid: 4.6.1~dfsg-1; stretch: 4.6.1~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.9.1~dfsg-1
• 3353[21:27:25] <missmbob> it used to a long time ago
• 3354[21:27:40] <greycat> If you need something newer than jessie's, I would just use the upstream sources.
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• 3359[21:28:49] <TomasCZ> greycat, good point. artaoss, well ok. The only other idea would be like rc.local configuring network and all the stuff if you are really desperate. Other than that. I'm out of ideas.
• 3360[21:29:22] <TomasCZ> but rc.local is after OS boot. Plus live iso, means you have to change it first.
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• 3364[21:30:11] <TomasCZ> I can't say I know the story and reasons, since I just came. but that was the first idea I had.
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• 3368[21:30:47] <artaoss> @tomascz: i could generate a file for rc.local & put in the space that i can mount stuff to & have it expect stuff. i think either way I've gotta look at the step after isolinux.cfg
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• 3374[21:33:24] <TomasCZ> artaoss, debian is hard on users in this retrospect. I have not looked into the topic for some time but the options(lengthly ones) that sets network, supposedly you can just pass those in grub/whatever boot manager to configure network.
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• 3378[21:34:23] <TomasCZ> artaoss, but I do remember that it's better made in Red Hat derivates (disclaimer: I am debian guy, rest assured)
• 3379[21:34:52] <TomasCZ> ie: the variables to configure network are much shorter.
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• 3383[21:36:34] <arkaoss82> @tomascz: yeah, i got the variables, i just can't figure out how to get the boot stage I am looking at to run them based on another script.
• 3384[21:36:51] <ksft> sound from some programs isn't working right for me
• 3385[21:36:58] <TomasCZ> artaoss, don't expect this to be solution. this is what I remember from stateless installs.(FAI-project.org hello)
• 3386[21:36:59] <ksft> it's making a crackling sound
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• 3392[21:39:02] <missmbob> ksft: in pavucontrol->output devices do you have pcsp analog mono?
• 3393[21:39:32] <ksft> missmbob: as one of the devices?
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• 3398[21:40:18] <ksft> no
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• 3481[22:13:40] <DammitJim> is there a recommended place to put temporary files from an application?
• 3482[22:13:53] <DammitJim> I was thinking something under /usr/local/<application/temp
• 3483[22:14:05] <shtrb> ^/tmp ?
• 3484[22:14:15] <babilen> How very conventional!
• 3485[22:14:23] <DammitJim> I'm serious
• 3486[22:14:36] <shtrb> or /run/user/XX/
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• 3488[22:14:44] <babilen> /tmp is a very serious recommendation IMHO
• 3489[22:14:50] <DammitJim> ok, thanks
• 3490[22:14:55] <DammitJim> dammit
• 3491[22:15:06] <DammitJim> my problem is that I didn't create tmp as its own partition
• 3492[22:15:07] <DammitJim> ugh
• 3493[22:15:18] <babilen> There's also mktemp that you might find helpful
• 3494[22:15:23] <DammitJim> mktemp?
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• 3496[22:15:27] <DammitJim> googling
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• 3498[22:15:37] <babilen> man 1 mktemp
• 3499[22:15:39] <rattking> how about /var/tmp?
• 3500[22:15:52] <shtrb> rattking , isn't it to be removed ?
• 3501[22:16:05] <DammitJim> is /var/tmp a valid location?
• 3502[22:16:11] <rattking> oh I didnt know about that
• 3503[22:16:20] <shtrb> it is , but you need to check what systemd will think about it
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• 3505[22:16:42] <jhutchins> !tmp
• 3506[22:16:42] <dpkg> /tmp is a filesystem location, required by the <FHS> to be made available for programs requiring temporary files. Make sure its modes are 1777, otherwise you'll have problems down the track. Are you running out of space on /tmp? Use the TMPDIR environment variable (e.g. in ~/.bashrc) to specify an alternate directory with available disk space. See also <tmp noexec>.
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• 3508[22:16:48] <DammitJim> btw, the files are being created by a java application
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• 3512[22:17:15] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Abandon all hope.
• 3513[22:17:21] <DammitJim> exactly!
• 3514[22:17:24] <DammitJim> LOL
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• 3517[22:18:06] <DammitJim> so, /var/tmp is also an option?
• 3518[22:18:26] <shtrb> jhutchins , debian doesn't like to work with FHS
• 3519[22:18:39] <babilen> DammitJim: There are Java libraries that allow you to create temp files or directories
• 3520[22:18:47] <shtrb> just look how they allowd systemd to put config anywhere on the system
• 3521[22:18:48] <babilen> IIRC there's also something in JDK7
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• 3523[22:18:54] <babilen> #java would know
• 3524[22:19:01] <poseid> hi, when i try to instlal chrome i get google-chrome-stable depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.8.0)
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• 3526[22:19:17] <DammitJim> babilen, thank you! How does that help in regards to where to temporarily store them?
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• 3528[22:19:30] <babilen> DammitJim: Those libraries would store them "in the right location"
• 3529[22:19:40] <greycat> ,v libstdc++6
• 3530[22:19:41] <judd> Package: libstdc++6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.7.2-5; jessie: 4.9.2-10; stretch: 6.2.0-10; sid: 6.2.0-13; experimental: 7-20161112-1
• 3531[22:19:49] <greycat> Are you trying to install it on wheezy?
• 3532[22:19:51] <DammitJim> if they use a java library to create temp files, are we saying they could use /tmp even though I don't have it as it's own partition and potentially the sever could come to a halt?
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• 3534[22:20:20] <babilen> DammitJim: That's nothing the application should concern itself with
• 3535[22:20:32] <DammitJim> oh
• 3536[22:20:35] <shtrb> DammitJim temp files or non temp files ?
• 3537[22:20:45] <DammitJim> that's the question shtirlic
• 3538[22:20:47] <DammitJim> shtrb
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• 3540[22:20:56] <ksft> I'm having trouble with sound from some programs crackling.
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• 3542[22:21:24] <poseid> Debian 3.2.82-1
• 3543[22:21:25] <DammitJim> babilen, they are asking me where they should put them
• 3544[22:21:33] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Is the app likely to create one file and keep appending to it, or to create lots of smaller files?
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• 3546[22:21:38] <shtrb> DammitJim , use tmp for temporary (or any other flavor) use etc for config etc
• 3547[22:21:50] <babilen> DammitJim: Who is asking?
• 3548[22:21:54] <DammitJim> jhutchins, lots of smaller files that get updated
• 3549[22:21:55] <shtrb> per user need to put stuff under ~/.something/more
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• 3551[22:21:58] <DammitJim> the devs
• 3552[22:22:02] <poseid> so apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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• 3556[22:22:25] <DammitJim> obviously I am not a good admin... trying to learn this stuff
• 3557[22:22:33] <shtrb> DammitJim they should not assume location exist
• 3558[22:22:33] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Would something like logrotate be able to keep them reasonable?
• 3559[22:22:47] <shtrb> not even /var/replaced-url
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• 3561[22:22:57] <DammitJim> jhutchins, I thought about that... they say they will get overwritten every week
• 3562[22:23:13] <DammitJim> I appreciate you guys help
• 3563[22:23:20] <DammitJim> it sounds like they shouldn't care where to put them
• 3564[22:23:32] <DammitJim> and I should just tell them a location where I have confidence that the partition won't get full
• 3565[22:23:38] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Would /var/log be appropriate?
• 3566[22:23:45] <DammitJim> I will also suggest for them to use the java library for temp files
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• 3568[22:24:12] <DammitJim> jhutchins, I'm thinking /var/tmp
• 3569[22:24:35] <jhutchins> DammitJim: The only way to assure that the partition won't get full is to have some estimate of the amount of data to be written.
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• 3571[22:25:01] <DammitJim> jhutchins, I am just afraid of the program not doing what it is supposed to
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• 3573[22:25:08] <DammitJim> but maybe I shouldn't be so mean
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• 3575[22:25:22] <g0d> who here is a lover of female belly buttons
• 3576[22:25:26] <g0d> if you are, please message me
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• 3579[22:26:27] <babilen> DammitJim: They would have to ensure that their temporary files do not grow beyond reason ..
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• 3587[22:27:01] <shtrb> DammitJim check qouta you can limit per user the amount of it uses
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• 3590[22:27:39] <jhutchins> DammitJim: The difference between /tmp and /var/tmp is that /var/tmp is persistent over reboots.
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• 3592[22:29:19] <DammitJim> that's right. I forgot about that simple property
• 3593[22:29:32] <DammitJim> I'm definitely asking them to use a java library for creating temp files, though
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• 3603[22:33:36] <DoubleJay> Hi
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• 3606[22:35:13] <a8a88454-21aa-4b> i was going to come in here before and ask about upgrading to jessie, but i got it working
• 3607[22:35:28] <DammitJim> blah... things are soooo convoluted
• 3608[22:35:46] <DammitJim> they are moving files from one server to the other then to another server, then to another server by different jobs
• 3609[22:35:49] <DammitJim> aaaahhhhhh
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• 3611[22:36:23] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Sounds like a payment processing system.
• 3612[22:36:36] <a8a88454-21aa-4b> the grand tour for the files
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• 3614[22:36:54] <DammitJim> I could do a lot of this just with inotifywait
• 3615[22:37:05] <DammitJim> if it wasn't for writing to DB2
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• 3619[22:38:34] <DammitJim> the grand tour
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• 3626[22:41:06] <Luigi021> hi guys, i'm having some problems with ssh server, whenever i try to connect from a remote connection, after the password query, i get a Permission denied error. I've forwarded the ssh port on the router, manually inserted the ssh key to servers ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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• 3629[22:41:53] <greycat> Check that /var/log/auth.log on the server to see if there are any details about why the authentication failed.
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• 3631[22:42:27] <a8a88454-21aa-4b> password query for the login or the one for the key?
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• 3633[22:43:38] <Luigi021> login
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• 3653[22:49:06] <jhutchins> Luigi021: You can append -v through -vvv for increasing details on the client.
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• 3655[22:49:17] <jhutchins> Luigi021: Are you perhaps trying to connect as root?
• 3656[22:49:17] <matu> Hi
• 3657[22:49:35] <gebruiker> hello
• 3658[22:49:43] <matu> i would like to record the music from higan (the snes emulator) because i am finishing street fighter alpha 2 and the music is just awesome
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• 3660[22:49:55] <Luigi021> not like as root
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• 3662[22:49:57] <greycat> When the auth fails on the server, adding -vvv on the client usually does NOT help.
• 3663[22:50:01] <matu> what would be the most easy way to achieve my goal ?
• 3664[22:50:02] <gebruiker> hahaha
• 3665[22:50:06] <Luigi021> i'll try -vvv
• 3666[22:50:06] <greycat> The server will never tell the client why an auth failed.
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• 3668[22:50:11] <greycat> Of course he will.
• 3669[22:50:18] <missmbob> heh
• 3670[22:50:19] <greycat> People always latch on to the wrong answer.
• 3671[22:50:22] <matu> please
• 3672[22:50:39] <jhutchins> I know I had to do some strange stuff to the live CD to be able to connect via ssh.
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• 3676[22:51:22] <gebruiker> matu: replaced-url
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• 3678[22:51:28] <jhutchins> greycat: It's been useful to me to see that a protocol mismatch or CHAP misconfiguration was causing the problem.
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• 3680[22:51:59] <gunknown> Hello. I want to install nodejs. Looking to the website there is a version v6.9.1. Apt offers me version 0.10.29, which does not exist at all according to the website. How does this fit?
• 3681[22:52:03] <greycat> Those sound like very old, or very uncommon issues.
• 3682[22:52:19] <matu> thank you gebruiker
• 3683[22:52:21] <greycat> gunknown: Just build from upstream sources.
• 3684[22:52:23] <matu> it is kind from you
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• 3688[22:52:34] <jhutchins> Luigi021: What is the server you're connecting to? Standard Debian Stable install?
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• 3690[22:52:48] <gebruiker> matu: used to play street figher a lot! :)
• 3691[22:53:07] <gunknown> greycat: the point is not that the version is too old, the versions does not seem to fit at all. On the website all versions are listed. There was never a version 0.10
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• 3693[22:53:14] <jhutchins> gunknown: Upstream version numbers do not always work the same way as debian version numbers, that's not uncommon.
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• 3695[22:53:35] <jhutchins> gunknown: When you say "the website" - there's more than one website out there. Which one?
• 3696[22:53:39] <greycat> gunknown: Debian stable froze in November 2014. There will be NO NEW VERSIONS of ANYTHING in stable.
• 3697[22:53:51] <greycat> He means the upstream project's web site.
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• 3699[22:53:57] <greycat> So he should just USE THE UPSTREAM/
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• 3701[22:54:21] <jhutchins> greycat: I assume he does.
• 3702[22:54:24] <missmbob> gunknown: of course there was 0.10. replaced-url
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• 3705[22:55:03] <greycat> Millennial brats who write things like node.js think 2 years is a long time. It's built into their fucking culture. So they think "I will just remove this 2 year old software from my web site, because nobody could EVER want something so OLD."
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• 3707[22:55:32] <matu> gebruiker, these lines don't seem to work
• 3708[22:56:04] <gunknown> ok sorry, my fault. I just overlooked the 0.10 version on the website. Somehow was expecting it below 0.9
• 3709[22:56:15] <gunknown> Shame on me
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• 3713[22:57:21] <Luigi021> jhutchins: standard debian in vm
• 3714[22:57:22] <DammitJim> the most stupid question of the day... is there a particular file system that is best to use for a 2TB usb drive ?
• 3715[22:57:28] <Luigi021> bridged connection
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• 3717[22:57:55] <DammitJim> I don't know why I don't like the fact that it came with FAT32
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• 3719[22:58:01] <greycat> DammitJim: Depends on what the drive will be used for, not the size.
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• 3721[22:58:11] <missmbob> because 4G file limit is ridiculous with HD video and other files
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• 3723[22:58:18] <DammitJim> oh, so size does NOT matter?
• 3724[22:58:20] <DammitJim> backups
• 3725[22:58:28] <greycat> Backups of what? To be read back on what?
• 3726[22:58:47] <DammitJim> to be read back on another server
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• 3728[22:58:52] <DammitJim> it's pictures, movies, etc
• 3729[22:58:58] <greycat> Another *Debian* server? Or a Windows server? Or what?
• 3730[22:59:00] <DammitJim> it would be another linux server
• 3731[22:59:01] <DammitJim> Debian
• 3732[22:59:07] <greycat> Then I would use ext3.
• 3733[22:59:11] <DammitJim> thanks
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• 3735[22:59:29] <DammitJim> obviously ext3 wouldn't make it "faster" than fat32 or anything like that, right?
• 3736[22:59:42] <DammitJim> oh crap, it's actually ntfs according to df -T
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• 3738[23:00:08] <greycat> If ntfs isn't what you want, just change it.
• 3739[23:00:09] <missmbob> you want a linux fs to maintain permissions
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• 3741[23:00:39] <greycat> fat32 can't store the owner/group/permissions metadata, so that's out if you're backing up Linux files and expecting to restore them properly.
• 3742[23:01:05] <DammitJim> si
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• 3744[23:02:02] <jhutchins> greycat: Why 3 instead of 4?
• 3745[23:02:17] <greycat> Because you might plug it into a system that's less than 2 years old some day.
• 3746[23:02:24] <greycat> Err more than 2 years old.
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• 3750[23:03:53] <jhutchins> DammitJim: replaced-url
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• 3753[23:05:06] <missmbob> "The operating system used in the test was SUSE 12.1 with the latest updates and kernel 3.1.10" cute
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• 3760[23:07:29] <DammitJim> I'm planning on using rsync to "backup" all the files
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• 3763[23:08:35] <greycat> You don't use scare-quotes around backup when it's a real backup.
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• 3766[23:08:57] <DammitJim> thank you
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• 3768[23:09:05] <DammitJim> rsync is a real backup application then
• 3769[23:09:16] <DammitJim> someone was telling me it was not on here a couple of months ago
• 3770[23:09:21] <jhutchins> DammitJim: Yep.
• 3771[23:09:23] <DammitJim> I didn't have anything to backup my point, though
• 3772[23:10:01] <jhutchins> It depends. To some people indexing and versioning are important components. To others it's just a copy of the files.
• 3773[23:10:19] <jhutchins> DammitJim: I have used rdiff backup, which can run through rsync.
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• 3776[23:11:05] <DammitJim> whoa
• 3777[23:11:08] <DammitJim> rdiff backup?
• 3778[23:11:24] <greycat> !rdiff-backup
• 3779[23:11:24] <dpkg> from memory, rdiff-backup is a utility used to perform local or remote incremental backups. Extra reverse diffs are created in order to recover previously deleted files. replaced-url
• 3780[23:11:31] <greycat> it's got a hypen
• 3781[23:11:55] <DammitJim> ooooohhhh
• 3782[23:12:08] <KindOne> Somehow my selinux install is screwed up, any suggestions? replaced-url
• 3783[23:12:43] <DammitJim> oh, my files don't really change, so I'll stick to rsync
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• 3785[23:12:57] <DammitJim> but rdiff-backup might be good for other code
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• 3790[23:15:13] <greycat> rsync is perfectly suited for most people's typical home usage
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• 3792[23:15:22] <DammitJim> si
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• 3826[23:27:23] <metasyntactic> hello- how can i dig into the innards of whatever mechanism handles `dpkg-reconfigure postfix`- i need to find out what this touches other than main.cf/master.cf
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• 3837[23:31:15] <roger`> I'm working on a way to automate backups and I describe the way i do it here : replaced-url
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• 3869[23:43:46] <rattking> metasyntactic: I am not an expert on that but I would do a 'apt-get source postfix' then look at the postinst files in the debian directory
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• 3871[23:45:08] <metasyntactic> rattking: thanks!
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