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119 [01:35:05] <glick> hi
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122 [01:36:03] <glick> hey quick question, how come when i try to
install spyder3, there is a big list of dependancies, yet when i
look at the .deb with dpkg-deb -I packagename of the latest on in
the debian repo, it says that it only depends on python3
123 [01:36:04] <glick> ?
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139 [01:36:37] <glick> can i do a simulated install on a .deb to
see what other files it would install?
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166 [01:37:30] <ksk> glick: totally not needed. do a
"apt-cache show $package" - you will see "Depends:
python3.7:any, python3-spyder (= 3.3.2+dfsg1-2)"
167 [01:38:05] <glick> ksk yes but where are listed all the other
dependancies it needs to install?
168 [01:38:11] <glick> are those not listed?
169 [01:38:33] <ksk> glick: do "apt-cache show
python3-spyder" - this one pulls in all the others ;)
170 [01:38:35] <Ede|Popede> glick: apt-get -s install
171 [01:39:44] <glick> ah ok, i see ksk its the spyder3-python
that pulls in all the other stuff
172 [01:39:53] <glick> thanks
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174 [01:40:23] <Ede|Popede> debtree&dot are also a great team
for that task
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176 [01:41:44] <glick> so i downloaded a .deb
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178 [01:42:07] <ksk> glick: why would you do that? use apt-get to
install stuff (if you have no valid reason to do otherwise..)
179 [01:42:16] <glick> and it says it requires python-spyder
3.3.3 but the one in my repo is 3.2.3, how will it find the 3.3.3
version or will this break
180 [01:42:35] <glick> ksk: because the version in my repos is
out of date slightly
181 [01:42:40] <Ede|Popede> ,v python-spyder 3.3.3
182 [01:42:41] <judd> Package: python-spyder on amd64 -- stretch:
3.1.3+dfsg1-3; buster: 3.3.3+dfsg1-1; sid: 3.3.3+dfsg1-1
183 [01:42:49] <ksk> what are you talking about? I highly doubt
that debian ships package a) which dependons on a version of b) that
is not in the repos..
184 [01:42:52] <Ede|Popede> no backport?
185 [01:43:41] <Ede|Popede> ,v spyder3
186 [01:43:42] <judd> Package: spyder3 on amd64 -- jessie:
2.3.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 3.1.3+dfsg1-3; buster: 3.3.3+dfsg1-1; sid:
3.3.3+dfsg1-1
187 [01:44:05] <Ede|Popede> both same the same versions
188 [01:44:57] <dvs> so glick downloaded a buster package for
stretch?
189 [01:45:04] <ksk> !frankendebian
190 [01:45:04] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
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196 [01:49:48] <rhizome> did the gods have to make replaygain so
difficult on linux
197 [01:52:34] <Ede|Popede> purging all alien packages including
their reverse dependencies should do it?
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251 [02:38:02] <tw> huh, only 121 release critical bugs remaining
for buster? must be pretty close.
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259 [02:40:06] <kanliot> i kidnapped a maintainer but nobody
noticed
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262 [02:40:58] <Unit193> tw: Pretty sure it was down to 109
earlier. :)
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265 [02:41:56] <tw> Either way, it sounds like it's time for
me to start trying it on test systems.
266 [02:42:31] <kanliot> do me a favor and test non-gnome
267 [02:43:09] <kanliot> and testing is fine here
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293 [03:06:45] <Unkn-Error> hello what dose the /msg dpkg stretch
from toppic? I did it and now dpkg said " strech "
294 [03:06:50] <Unkn-Error> what is that?
295 [03:07:22] <Unkn-Error> ^^*** sorry, why dpkg did said that,
I mean is that helpfull in some way?
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298 [03:08:01] <Unkn-Error> oh oh. got it, I just saw right now
the info from the private chat box
299 [03:08:32] <Unkn-Error> I have a question.... I am on windows
now, and I wish to download some .deb packages form the official
mirror
300 [03:08:47] <Unkn-Error> for example, the firefox.DEB package
301 [03:08:51] <Unkn-Error> how can I do that?
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304 [03:10:18] <jmaher> Unkn-Error:
replaced-url
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307 [03:10:58] <Unkn-Error> thank you jmaher I'll dig into
it
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335 [03:35:52] <_Random_> need some hardware(Gpu) help, my
display keeps crashing. I get white screen with lines on it. pc
unusable when this happens, still under warrantty & it just
happend again.I've ssh into the pc. I'd like to look at my
logs & see what errors there are. Not sure what to look for
& what commands to use
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339 [03:39:29] <_Random_> can anyone help, please
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341 [03:39:44] <Ede|Popede> _Random_, what kind of lines?
342 [03:40:27] <Ede|Popede> once i had tiny, short, green
horizontal lines on the left border. was the GPU.
343 [03:41:02] <_Random_> the screen is off white & grey
blocks running vertically
344 [03:41:37] <Ede|Popede> definitely not a screensaver?
345 [03:41:50] <_Random_> I susspect its hardware as it also
occurs in windows..
346 [03:42:02] <Ede|Popede> ah ok. so no need to check with a
live
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348 [03:42:10] <Ede|Popede> warranty? use it.
349 [03:42:17] <_Random_> I've dual booted, I dont want to
damage my warrantty by removing windows.
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351 [03:42:25] <ksk> _Random_: your PSU is powerful enough? Id go
with warranty then.
352 [03:42:41] <ksk> ehm, you will not (in europe for sure not,
not sure about the us..)
353 [03:42:42] <_Random_> is ther a way via ssh to see what my
logs are saying about the error
354 [03:42:53] <Ede|Popede> don't even try to do something.
if it is a hardware problem, then turn it into their problem.
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357 [03:43:36] <_Random_> it happens random.. I've taken it
in & its not happen in front of them
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359 [03:44:29] <_Random_> thats why I'd like to see if there
is anthing being highlighted in my logs..
360 [03:44:33] <Ede|Popede> sure, `less` on log files. or.. what
was it for systemd...
361 [03:44:42] <_Random_> it' just ahppend & ive logged
into the lapto with ssh
362 [03:44:51] <Ede|Popede> journalctl
363 [03:44:59] <_Random_> yes
364 [03:45:04] <_Random_> systemd
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366 [03:45:37] <Ede|Popede> you could also keep a terminal open
and tail -f kern.log or syslog in it.
367 [03:46:12] <jmcnaught> _Random_: after a freeze happens look
in your /var/log/syslog. When booting starts one of the first lines
is "Linux version 4.9…" so search for that line and
look above it for what got logged during the crash
368 [03:46:36] <_Random_> cannot open 'kern.log' for
reading: No such file or directory
369 [03:46:56] <Ede|Popede> /var/log/kern.log
370 [03:47:06] <_Random_> the system is still running, has not
crashed
371 [03:47:18] <_Random_> the display has just crashed
372 [03:47:47] <Ede|Popede> maybe tailing the log on that other
machine would be an idea
373 [03:48:40] <Ede|Popede> and if you know *when* it happened,
you can `less` the logfile and go to that timestamp
374 [03:48:49] <_Random_>
replaced-url
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379 [03:49:44] <jmcnaught> _Random_: is this Ubuntu?
380 [03:50:18] <_Random_> yes, ubuntyu based on debian & my
remote pc is debian
381 [03:50:44] <_Random_> btw, it's a touch screen, thats
why I went with ubuntu,
382 [03:50:58] <jmcnaught> if the machine that you are
troubleshooting is running Ubuntu then you should continue in
#ubuntu
383 [03:51:16] <_Random_> thanks, I appreciate your efforts !
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386 [03:54:14] <Ede|Popede> rfkill is for wireless networking?
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393 [04:04:38] <AndroUser> I was wondering if anyone one could
send an iso to my network with PXE is that possible I just need a
install of mininal iso of ubuntu
394 [04:04:59] <ksk> Adran: PXE is layer2, so no ;)
395 [04:05:19] <ksk> or, parts of it are. it will not work this
way.
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397 [04:05:45] <ksk> also, this is #debian, we support debian in
here, not ubuntu.
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399 [04:06:11] <AndroUser> ksk is there a way I could do this
with Debian with my Android Device
400 [04:06:49] <AndroUser> I have Debian in terminal Android but
I am lost how to set it up
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404 [04:09:04] <ksk> !debootstrap
405 [04:09:05] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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406 [04:09:17] <ksk> AndroUser: dont you have a CD or usbstick
handy?
407 [04:09:22] <ksk> they come cheap..
408 [04:09:56] <AndroUser> I do but I don't have any other
devices only my Android it can't be rooted either
409 [04:10:39] <AndroUser> This is the only method I was trying
to do I seen some videos on YouTube but they do not explain it to
will.
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411 [04:11:27] <AndroUser> I mean I have a USB Drive ThumDrive
but there are no bootable devices
412 [04:11:59] <ksk> wat?
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420 [04:14:58] <m4ch1n3znc> they are not bootable because there
is no partition on them with boot flag
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438 [04:35:13] <ksk> !usbinstall
439 [04:35:27] <ksk> !usb install
440 [04:35:28] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB
stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your
system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the
Installation Guide, see
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441 [04:35:48] <ksk> if you put the debian installer on a usb
stick, it will make it bootable.
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443 [04:36:38] <magic_ninja> ksk is that you from d2bs?
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445 [04:38:21] <ksk> magic_ninja: pssst!
446 [04:38:52] <Resilience> I am having trouble with my FF, it
hangs ups, hides parts of webpages and hangouts a lot, what can be
wrong?
447 [04:39:24] <ksk> Resilience: FF in debian is based on the
firefox ESR version - I heard for example youtube does not work with
that browser.
448 [04:40:03] <dvs> Really? I can use YouTube with FireFox ESR
449 [04:40:03] <Resilience> ksk, it happens random with random
pages, maybe I have few memory for the number of pages I am browsing
(a lot)
450 [04:40:09] <jmcnaught> that's false, youtube works fine
in firefox-esr
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453 [04:40:41] <ksk> uh okay, sorry then. the other day I think
two dudes in here stated it would not work.
454 [04:41:56] <jmcnaught> Resilience: are you using any add-ons?
If you go to about:support there's a restart with add-ons
disabled button
455 [04:42:46] <magic_ninja> I didn't know you used debian.
456 [04:42:50] <Resilience> jmcnaught, I will try, thanks
457 [04:43:05] <ksk> magic_ninja: only on servers and virtual
machines ;)
458 [04:43:19] <ksk> windows for the daily gaming needs :X
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461 [04:44:05] <magic_ninja> Heh, I just switched over. Was
working on smurf and a windows update peeved me off. Shut everything
down.
462 [04:45:34] <ksk> magic_ninja: it is possible to run d2/d2bs
via wine - not sure if its worth though ;)
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465 [04:46:58] <magic_ninja> more trouble than it is worth.
D2hackit used to run under wine just fine, too.
466 [04:47:15] <magic_ninja> I have enough computer to run a
windows 10 VM no problem.
467 [04:47:45] <magic_ninja> I need to see how the nvidia drivers
do with SLI now.
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469 [04:49:08] <ksk> eh, SLI is bad, even on windows ;) no games
since 2005 support it anymore as far as I know.
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480 [05:03:37] <Deihmos> it was a dumb idea to begin with
481 [05:04:00] <Deihmos> those folks that bought 2 video cards
had money to burn
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484 [05:10:19] <magic_ninja> Deihmos, I sure did :). It is kind
of nice being able to dedicate a GPU to a VM, though.
485 [05:10:24] <magic_ninja> brb
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500 [05:19:40] <UniFreak> hi. I'm using docker to build a
php7 service from official image php:7.2-fpm, it will run `apt-get
update`
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502 [05:20:15] <UniFreak> and the commend keeps give me
`Clearsigned file isn't valid, got 'NOSPLIT' (does
the network require authentication?)
503 [05:20:16] <UniFreak> ` error
504 [05:20:51] <UniFreak> searched the web, still no clue to
solve this
505 [05:21:11] <UniFreak> anyone have ran into this problem?
what's the cause?
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507 [05:23:40] <milkt> UniFreak: this is related i think
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508 [05:23:41] <judd> Bug
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511 [05:24:57] <UniFreak> yeah that's what I have found and
read, it concluded as a `proxy network problem` and not a but
512 [05:24:57] <milkt> try different source maybe?
513 [05:25:28] <UniFreak> tried three source and got some
different error, but all with the `NOSPLIT` error
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515 [05:25:49] <UniFreak> don't know whether I should turn
to my company Ops
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521 [05:32:07] <laptop> Hello I have an older pos laptop amd
athalonx2 2 gb ram and I want to try debian testing, I currently
have debian stretch stable. Will updating to testing break the
laptop. I would just replace out the repositories but I am afraid
that testing would use more ram (I only have 2 gb). I notice there
are a lot of good uddates. How long to migrate those changes to
stable. I am still using chromium 73 and apparently they have 74
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540 [05:51:53] <phazon> laptop: stick with stretch for the time
being and update after the freeze is over. no update is perfect (i
always wait for the x.1 point releases) so keep your files backed
up. ram usage should be about the same. they update to stable when
the freeze is over (maybe a couple months). '/msg dpkg
sns' for info about abritary version numbers
541 [05:52:51] <cbilt> oh nice, didn't know about dpkg
before
542 [05:53:17] <laptop> what is the freeze anyway
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544 [05:53:53] <phazon> !freeze
545 [05:53:53] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large
changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months.
During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix
critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the
freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to
make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov
2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about
<slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
546 [05:54:23] <laptop> wow
547 [05:54:35] <laptop> that means I cannot update at all
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549 [05:54:43] <laptop> I mean what about updating my chromium?
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553 [05:59:13] <phazon> what about it?
554 [05:59:25] <laptop> well they are on 74 and stretch is on 73
555 [05:59:39] <laptop> same with firefox
556 [05:59:48] <laptop> 66 vs 67 (much faster)
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560 [06:03:20] <cbilt> laptop what he said is to wait until the
new stable is released which is soon
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562 [06:03:33] <cbilt> then you can update
563 [06:03:33] <laptop> ok
564 [06:03:42] <phazon> Soon(TM)
565 [06:04:01] <cbilt> you could just download the firefox
binaries from their website though, works perfectly fine
566 [06:05:19] <phazon> or compile it yourself. by the time
firefox is done building on your "older pos laptop" buster
should already be released :)
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568 [06:05:39] <laptop> i did do that with firefox
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570 [06:05:58] <laptop> my computer is so slow I do not notice
much difference between 1 and 2 gb lol
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577 [06:14:40] <magic_ninja> laptop, as a bit of a reference, I
have a decent machine, and debian only uses about 2.5gb ram with KDE
running. I'm sure it would be much less if I used a tiling
window manager.
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581 [06:15:01] <laptop> wow
582 [06:15:04] <laptop> I am using icewm
583 [06:15:09] <laptop> and getting by with 2 gb
584 [06:15:13] <laptop> on a 2003 laptop
585 [06:15:32] <magic_ninja> I used to use icewm back in the day.
586 [06:15:37] <magic_ninja> I would suggest lxqt now.
587 [06:15:45] <magic_ninja> It is lite and very nice.
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589 [06:16:34] <magic_ninja> Do you have an external drive? I
would fire up clonezilla, image my drive so that I can restore it
later, then change the resources to buster. I've been running
it and it is great.
590 [06:16:40] <laptop> not as light as icem 120 mb out of the
gate
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592 [06:17:05] <laptop> a computer with 1 gb of ram nowadays is
unusualb
593 [06:17:10] <laptop> unuseable
594 [06:17:36] <magic_ninja> You are almost better off with a
rapsberry pi
595 [06:18:02] <laptop> i can still play lotro
596 [06:18:31] <magic_ninja> here, lxqt might actually be a
worthwhile choice after the upgrade:
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598 [06:19:00] <magic_ninja> Should put you right in the same
zone and give you a more modern UI
599 [06:19:18] <laptop> what about trinity desktop
600 [06:19:56] <magic_ninja> dunno. I have used KDE, Gnome,
Deepin, LXDE, lxqt, and tried a few others before I really settled
on KDE.
601 [06:20:09] <magic_ninja> they really cleaned KDE up on this
last release.
602 [06:20:29] <laptop> trinity is pretty good also though
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605 [06:26:08] <_Random_> hey guys i know i'm not in the
right channel, nobodys around, at my channel..
606 [06:26:15] <_Random_> hope you can help..
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608 [06:26:51] <_Random_> I have a nvme laptop. just updted the
bios via windows & the removed secure & fast boot
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610 [06:27:30] <_Random_> at grub, the os fails ..as missing
modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev)
611 [06:28:05] <_Random_> i'm not able to list the
disk..blkid shows nothing nor can I use cat
612 [06:28:19] <_Random_> not in in the initramfs
613 [06:28:32] <_Random_> very limited tools
614 [06:29:49] <phazon> _Random_: what is the other channel you
tried before this one?
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616 [06:30:19] <_Random_> LOL "ubuntu" in very small
writing
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621 [06:36:30] <jim> is it possible to get an installed kernel to
regenerate its initrd?
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623 [06:37:44] <jim> or to get all the kernels to regen the
initrd?
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625 [06:38:24] <jim> !initrd
626 [06:38:24] <dpkg> [initrd] Initial ramdisk, or god's way
of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel image... and you WILL
HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint).
Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your
problem, see <can't mount root>. A great system for those
who understand modules or need/want root in LVM and/or md RAID.
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643 [06:52:07] <trioxane> hey guys, ive got a storage server
runing debian 9.6 and glusterfs, today my boss rang and said some
folders are offline (which can happen when a gluster brick and its
mirror go offline at the same time), lookign at my system it looks
like 4 drives have somehow got the same UUIDs and fstab has mounted
them to the same mount point, 2 drives on one and 2 drives on
another
644 [06:52:11] <trioxane> any ideas how i can fix this? never
seen anything like this before
645 [06:52:36] <trioxane> screenshot:
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646 [06:52:51] <trioxane> i dont wanna restart right away incase
it breaks things more
647 [06:52:52] <trioxane> fstab says the 2 UUIDs that've
been replaced cant be found when i try to sudo mount -a
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650 [06:58:19] <lumuscode> Algum br ai
651 [07:00:43] <trioxane> its definitely only got 1 drive mounted
to each mount point, if I write a large file to the mount point I
get an activity spike on one and not the other
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695 [07:47:10] <Guest79355> hello?
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697 [07:49:03] <cbilt> hi
698 [07:50:24] <Guest79355> can i ask here an issue on the apt?
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700 [07:55:30] <ayekat> yes
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709 [07:59:20] <Guest79355> i have a problem when i do "sudo
apt-get update"
710 [08:00:15] <Guest79355> W:
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711 [08:00:15] <Guest79355> W:
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712 [08:00:16] <Guest79355> W:
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713 [08:00:16] <Guest79355> W:
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717 [08:04:08] <Synaptic> hello good morning
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719 [08:04:43] <Synaptic> im going to install now Debian 9 64bit,
on my laptop, but unfortunately now i dont have a connection to
internet in order to update it
720 [08:05:09] <Synaptic> that's why im installing it from
the dvd size image... i hope is gonna have almost everything i need
at the beginning
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783 [08:58:00] <weedloser> Guest79355, I'm seeing a few
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785 [08:58:47] <weedloser> I see a few suggestions but I
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883 [09:48:21] <terrell> I want to ask some general questions on
virtual machines. I have experiance but nothing recent. Someone
might know. As far as I know there are basically 3 options:
VirtualBox, VMware and Hyper-v. What I would like to do is run both
windows 7 and 10 as guests under Debian Linux. But I don't even
know if this is prossible
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886 [09:49:23] <terrell> I checked and the docs say I can run
linux under Hyper-v but I have found windows to be broken most of
the time so I don't reallyu want to do it that way
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902 [10:02:49] <ghasem> terrell: use qemu-kvm under gnu/linux,
and you can use both windows 7 and 10 with high-performance in your
OS.
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923 [10:06:40] <terrell> I haven't heard of this
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925 [10:06:56] <DerpGusta> use virt-manager for easy management
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935 [10:09:01] <terrell> ghasem, thsi looks great. But I assume
ti does not run under Debian
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943 [10:09:47] <terrell> I have machines where I can install and
try it out.
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949 [10:10:54] <terrell> I see virtmanager comes from Red Hat
950 [10:12:31] <terrell> Boy I am rusty. More home work. Well
I've got time to do it
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976 [10:17:45] <VicMackey> Hello! Does anybody now why the
"eclipse" package is unavailable even in unstable?
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978 [10:18:12] <VicMackey> It seems that I can only download it
from eclipse.org and they even don't have their own repos for
that :/
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984 [10:19:37] <VicMackey> Oooooooooooooooh it seems to be in
debports
985 [10:20:16] <VicMackey> Nope
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987 [10:21:34] <RoyK> ,v eclipse
988 [10:21:36] <judd> Package: eclipse on amd64 -- jessie:
3.8.1-7; stretch: 3.8.1-10
989 [10:22:17] <VicMackey> Yep, I find it weird that there's
no sid :/
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993 [10:23:09] <terrell> ghasem, The target machines are loaded
with memory and storage. My paln is first back them up so I can
reinstall if necessary then re partition and install multi boot and
Debian and then windows 7 adn 10. But I likely will not beed
performance and if I can do it in Linux I won't even need them.
Windows is there juist so I can use it if I need it. Your tip was
great. Watching youtube now.
994 [10:23:11] <VicMackey> No problem, I'll download their
targz'd file and work with it. Although it feels dddeeeeerty.
Thanks people ;)
995 [10:23:22] <RoyK> !debian-next
996 [10:23:22] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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998 [10:23:44] <VicMackey> Oooooooh sorry. Thanks RoyK!
999 [10:24:02] <RoyK> np
1000 [10:24:03] <terrell> ghasem, I'lll pop out of chanel now
becuse my question was answered. This looks great
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1026 [10:34:20] <Myrkur> :q
1027 [10:34:33] <Myrkur> sorry guys
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1039 [10:42:30] <bony> I am building a debian live image with d-i
enabled. the image is getting built but the problem is the d-i. when
I start the d-i it says kernel mismatch. kernel version of d-i is
4.19.0-4 and the live systems kernel version is 4.19.0-5. how to
update d-i kernel version and include in the live image
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1049 [10:47:43] <synaptic> hello
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1051 [10:48:19] <synaptic> trying to boot Debian, i burned it to
my USB stick using unetbootin, but when i launch it from bios
showing GRUB>
1052 [10:48:26] <synaptic> not showing the installation process...
why??
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1059 [10:50:01] <strk> do official debian 9 packages not have
docker (docker.io) ?
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1061 [10:50:21] <strk> I find python / ruby bindings but not the
actual server
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1065 [10:54:13] <BCMM> strk: debian has
replaced-url
1066 [10:54:39] <BCMM> strk: but it's kind of old, even on
sid. you basically have to use docker.io's official debian
repository if you want current docker
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1068 [10:55:01] <jelly> synaptic: unetbootin is known to ruin
debina installer images, write the image down to usb using
win32diskimager, or cp from linux, directly to the whole usb
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1078 [11:01:16] <synaptic> jelly: im on mint right now
1079 [11:01:23] <synaptic> i did with CP now
1080 [11:01:28] <synaptic> but i think i mess something
1081 [11:01:29] <synaptic>
replaced-url
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1094 [11:09:25] <jelly> syn
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1243 [12:28:26] <strk> Error! Bad return status for module build
on kernel: 4.9.0-9-amd64 (x86_64)
1244 [12:28:54] <strk> -> /bin/sh:
/home/src/linux-headers-4.9.0-9-common/scripts/gcc-goto.sh: No such
file or directory
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1250 [12:34:40] <kalipso> hey, i get " subprocess installed
post-installation script returned error exit status 255" when
installing davfs2. looked into the postinst script, looks fine. is
this a known bug?
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1321 [13:29:52] <BlackBishop> !wheezy
1322 [13:29:52] <dpkg> Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable>
release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04:
replaced-url
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1324 [13:30:03] <BlackBishop> !sources wheezy
1325 [13:30:23] <jelly> !wheezy sources.list
1326 [13:30:23] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A
suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb
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1333 [13:31:46] <jelly> if you can't upgrade there is a paid
support option
1334 [13:31:48] <jelly> !elts
1335 [13:31:48] <dpkg> Limited commercial support for wheezy
exists in form of Extended LTS, see
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1356 [13:46:14] <JolietJakeBlues> my friend here wants to know
when debian buster will be stable.
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1368 [13:47:43] <avu> some time this year probably
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1374 [13:48:22] <avu> !buster pool 1
1375 [13:48:22] <dpkg> ! coruja=2019-06-25
themíll=2019-06-15 jëlly=2019-08-01
petn-rándall=2019-07-28
1376 [13:48:32] <avu> ^- some guesses
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1384 [13:49:11] <BCMM> JolietJakeBlues: debian releases on a
"when it's done" basis rather than on a schedule like
ubuntu
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1414 [13:58:14] <karlpinc> !guess the release date
1415 [13:58:14] <dpkg> Guess the release date is a game you can
play! Look at
replaced-url
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1423 [14:01:18] <nifker> is there no clangd package yet?
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1435 [14:06:25] <BCMM> nifker: is this what you want?
replaced-url
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1440 [14:09:43] <nifker> BCMM: yes thats right thanks
1441 [14:10:02] <BCMM> do you already know how to install
backports packages?
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1443 [14:10:59] <nifker> Im on buster
1444 [14:12:40] <jelly> ,file bin/clangd
1445 [14:12:44] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
1446 [14:12:57] <tw> Does the buster release pool follow price is
right rules? closest without going over?
1447 [14:13:04] <BCMM> nifker: ah, ok. i think that's
technically a #debian-next thing?
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1449 [14:14:00] <nifker> BCMM: didnt hear about debian-next yet -
or does it just describe the next release?
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1451 [14:14:21] <BCMM> nifker: anyway, i think you can just `apt
install clang-tools` on buster
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1455 [14:15:35] <BCMM> nifker: anyway, for next time: try
`apt-file find clangd`
1456 [14:15:45] <BCMM> (to work out which package provides a given
command)
1457 [14:16:04] <nifker> ahh Ill try to keep this in mind ^^
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1484 [14:34:04] <generic> how can I build a debian image for
netboot?
1485 [14:34:43] <generic> i.e. PXEboot
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1495 [14:41:30] <petn-randall> generic: There should be
instructions in the release notes.
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1498 [14:42:59] <generic> petn-randall: I found this one but its
not specific to debian wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Diskless_nodes
1499 [14:43:45] <petn-randall> Those aren't the release notes
...
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1501 [14:45:09] <generic> petn-randall: just download this here ?
ftp://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux-cd/squeeze-rc/debian-edu-6.0.4+edurc3-CD.iso
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1503 [14:45:20] <generic> petn-randall: might be a little big
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1506 [14:48:06] <generic> petn-randall: wrong page ..
replaced-url
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1508 [14:48:25] <petn-randall> Yeah, that's the one.
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1510 [14:50:05] <generic> petn-randall: ok but where ?
1511 [14:50:05] <petn-randall> generic: It links to here:
replaced-url
1512 [14:50:45] <JolietJakeBlues> "* Cannot join #debian-next
(Channel is invite only)"
1513 [14:51:19] <jmcnaught> JolietJakeBlues: #debian-next is on
irc.oftc.net
1514 [14:51:28] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1515 [14:51:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1519 [14:54:24] <generic> petn-randall: so netboot/gtk/mini.iso is
the easy way to go ?
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1523 [14:55:59] <nt80> how to check which package provides a
binary in bot?
1524 [14:56:15] <Soo_Slow> hello. Does anybody know if there is a
timeshift-like (in terms of user-friendliness) backup gui, but with
completely configurable locations, FROM where to backup (said one
can only backup root and /home, as far as I know)?
1525 [14:56:29] <greycat> nt80: /msg judd file
relative/path/to/file
1526 [14:56:32] <petn-randall> generic: Whatever it says in the
instructions. I've never had to use netboot.
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1528 [14:56:39] <Soo_Slow> found grsync overcomplicated
1529 [14:56:53] <nt80> thank you
1530 [14:57:19] <generic> petn-randall: doesnt look too bad .. if
I can actually find the image on the mirror
1531 [14:57:22] <greycat> judd file bin/grep
1532 [14:57:26] <judd> Search for bin/grep in stretch/amd64: grep:
bin/grep; 9base: usr/lib/plan9/bin/grep
1533 [14:57:51] <nt80> yeah i wanted /sbin/reboot, it's in
init found out
1534 [14:58:26] <greycat> ...?
1535 [14:58:35] <humpled> isn't that just a symlink?
1536 [14:58:40] <nt80> systemd-sysv: sbin/reboot
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1538 [14:58:55] <greycat> yeah, systemd-sysv is what I get for
stretch and buster.
1539 [14:59:14] <greycat> sysvinit in wheezy. not in
"init" on anything I checked.
1540 [14:59:17] <nt80> i said 'init' as init subset, is
it wrong saying that?
1541 [14:59:30] <greycat> yes, because there's a package
named init, but it's not in that package
1542 [14:59:30] <nt80> ok
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1546 [15:02:41] <jelly> ,file bin/reboot
1547 [15:02:45] <judd> Search for bin/reboot in stretch/amd64:
molly-guard: sbin/reboot; sysvinit-core: sbin/reboot; systemd-sysv:
sbin/reboot; klibc-utils: usr/lib/klibc/bin/reboot
1548 [15:03:01] <jelly> now I'm interested in molly
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1559 [15:09:07] <petn-randall> molly-guard is great if you ever
accidentally rebooted the wrong machine.
1560 [15:09:48] <greycat> can't say that's ever been a
problem for me
1561 [15:10:11] <BCMM> lol, i've definitely done that
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1563 [15:10:50] <Tenkawa> oh I've never done that... *cough*
*cough*
1564 [15:11:38] <Tenkawa> mind you honestly it has been a LONG
LONG time
1565 [15:11:58] <nt80> well it may happen any time
1566 [15:12:03] <Tenkawa> indeed
1567 [15:13:05] <Tenkawa> I'm more afraid of my machines
losing power actually
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1581 [15:21:09] <petn-randall> greycat: I know A FRIEND who
accidentally rebooted the wrong server.
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1584 [15:21:53] <dvs> uh huh
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1599 [15:35:10] <jelly> petn-randall: just once?
1600 [15:36:13] <jelly> petn-randall: molly-guard would not have
prevented my FRIEND, who pressed Ctrl-Alt-Del on a KVM console
switched to wrong server
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1608 [15:41:32] <Fox> petn-randall: if he just rebooted
that's not that bad, I once halted a server that was far far
away with no kvw/ilo/drac on it
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1610 [15:42:10] <greycat> now *that* one, I've almost done
(halt when I wanted reboot), except the distance wasn't so bad
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1613 [15:42:30] <Fox> Malta is far away from France :)
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1615 [15:43:36] <greycat> I've also done "forgot to put
this account in the wheel group, so it can't su, so I
can't become root on this box until I travel back to it".
BSD-based systems, decades ago.
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1617 [15:43:44] <jelly> still, a trip to Malta is nice
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1621 [15:45:23] <Fox> spent a week there, only spent a few hours
out of the datacenter
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1624 [15:47:29] <Tenkawa> 2 weeks in Luxemburg was nice
1625 [15:48:04] <petn-randall> hehehe
1626 [15:48:10] <petn-randall> I like the stories coming up now :)
1627 [15:48:58] <Tenkawa> that was a datacenter and one of our
regional offices.. you can't beat that trip
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1633 [15:51:47] <jelly> neighbor spent 10 months on seychelles...
mostly in a hotel room and a tiny amount in a DC, remoting and
making stuff work
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1667 [16:20:08] <edi> hi i got this problem
1668 [16:20:13] <edi> so i rebooted my box
1669 [16:20:19] <edi> no network interfaces anymore
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1671 [16:20:26] <edi> when I use "ip a"
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1673 [16:20:42] <edi> however lsmod shows kernel module
1674 [16:20:53] <edi> and lspci shows the network card fine
1675 [16:20:54] <greycat> Please don't press Enter in the
middle of sentences. Do they show up in "ip link"?
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1681 [16:22:07] <edi> greycat, no it doesn't
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1689 [16:25:16] <greycat> are there any errors in dmesg that look
relevant?
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1693 [16:27:16] <edi> nope
1694 [16:27:26] <edi> i checked dmesg and syslog
1695 [16:27:51] <edi> and I only see in syslog
1696 [16:28:15] <edi> that when the systems tries to raise the
network interface, it doesn't find eno1
1697 [16:28:47] <greycat> which version of debian is this?
1698 [16:29:22] <edi> 4.9.0-0-amd
1699 [16:29:36] <edi> stable
1700 [16:29:47] <edi> but maybe good to know
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1702 [16:29:49] <edi> on an intel nuc
1703 [16:30:07] <edi> with the intel e1000e driver that I had to
grab from their site and compile myself
1704 [16:30:30] <edi> i did it on a coouple of other (identical)
box too , same versions and everything , and they reboot fine
1705 [16:30:43] <greycat> Hrm. Wondering if a stretch-backports
kernel might be better, but I'm really just trying generic
stuff here, no specific knowledge of this problem.
1706 [16:31:09] <Tenkawa> whats the problem?
1707 [16:31:11] <Tenkawa> I
1708 [16:31:32] <edi> I rebooted my box and suddenly my primary
network interface isn't recognized anymore
1709 [16:31:32] <Tenkawa> I'll say hi
1710 [16:31:33] <greycat> After rebooting, his eno1 interface does
not appear in ip link or ip addr.
1711 [16:31:35] <edi> :-)
1712 [16:32:06] <greycat> (sorry, I keep assuming masculine
pronouns)
1713 [16:32:07] <edi> maybe extra context, i had to shut my box
down cause I foolishly let /home flood
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1715 [16:32:21] <Tenkawa> is the hardware even seen by the kernel?
1716 [16:32:26] <edi> yes
1717 [16:32:28] <edi> it is
1718 [16:32:38] <edi> first thing I checked was lspci and modprobe
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1720 [16:33:11] <edi> i added an extra hdd in the box to extend
home, and then booted up again
1721 [16:33:19] <edi> since then the nic is lost
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1723 [16:33:31] <Tenkawa> oh....
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1725 [16:33:35] <edi> i took the new hdd out again tested again
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1727 [16:33:43] <edi> doesn't seem like the problem
1728 [16:33:46] <greycat> adding a drive or filling a file system
and shutting down emergency-like still shouldn't affect NICs
1729 [16:33:51] <Tenkawa> no
1730 [16:33:54] <edi> yeah i assumed that
1731 [16:34:02] <edi> further everything works fine
1732 [16:34:24] <Tenkawa> but did you change any scripts?
1733 [16:34:26] <edi> i can pastebin the dmesg log if you like
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1735 [16:34:45] <Tenkawa> does ifconfig -a show anything?
1736 [16:34:50] <edi> Tenkawa, what kind of script you're
thinking of ?
1737 [16:35:00] <edi> only my lo
1738 [16:35:06] <edi> or the lo
1739 [16:35:07] <edi> :p
1740 [16:35:08] <edi> lol
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1743 [16:35:51] <Tenkawa> some of those modules have to be
initiated with specific variables and you mentioned you re-compiled
your own copy of the source
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1745 [16:36:27] <OdinPrkl> hi everyone!
1746 [16:36:38] <Tenkawa> and I wanted to rule out it knocking out
module initialization settings
1747 [16:36:47] <edi> well tbh
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1750 [16:37:11] <Tenkawa> that may have persistent from udev
before
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1752 [16:37:30] <edi> i read something on 70-udev-persistent or
smth
1753 [16:37:36] <Tenkawa> yeah
1754 [16:37:45] <Tenkawa> those especiallt
1755 [16:37:45] <edi> but I don't have such file
1756 [16:37:49] <Tenkawa> er especiallt
1757 [16:37:52] <edi> as fas as I can see
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1759 [16:38:00] <greycat> you wouldn't have that unless you
upgraded from pre-stretch
1760 [16:38:05] <Tenkawa> ugh i cant spell today
1761 [16:38:07] <Tenkawa> yeah
1762 [16:38:11] <edi> and I compared to the box where it works, it
also doens't have that
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1764 [16:38:20] <edi> what greycat says
1765 [16:38:26] <Tenkawa> i agree
1766 [16:38:28] <edi> they're fresh net installs
1767 [16:38:33] <edi> 2 months old
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1771 [16:38:57] <edi> and I can't remember the previous
reboot so :p
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1779 [16:41:45] <NetTerminalGene> guys, i have brave browser
repository. it is "deb [arch=amd64]
replaced-url
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1781 [16:42:19] <edi> Tenkawa,
replaced-url
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1783 [16:42:49] <greycat> NetTerminalGene: you can browser through
it manually, but you're *supposed* to use apt-get/apt/etc.
1784 [16:43:44] <Tenkawa> edi: looking
1785 [16:43:58] <BCMM> NetTerminalGene: why don't you want to
add the repo? you trust the current version, but don't
necessarily trust future security updates?
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1788 [16:44:05] <edi> think i got a clue
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1790 [16:44:34] <edi> maybe i compiled the module for amd 4.9.0-8
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1792 [16:44:42] <BCMM> NetTerminalGene: if you do download and
install the .deb, you might want to check that it doesn't work
like the google chrome .deb
1793 [16:44:44] <NetTerminalGene> BCMM, i don't want to harm
my debian's purity
1794 [16:44:44] <edi> and it's now 4.9.0-9
1795 [16:44:52] <BCMM> i.e. it installs the repo automatically
1796 [16:45:18] <BCMM> NetTerminalGene: please bear in mind that a
browser is *the worst* bit of software to run and outdated version
of
1797 [16:45:23] <BCMM> ^an outdated
1798 [16:45:27] <edi> I see linux-headers-4.9.0-8-amd is installed
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1800 [16:45:43] <NetTerminalGene> BCMM, i will install manually
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1802 [16:45:46] <NetTerminalGene> updates
1803 [16:46:04] <BCMM> how will you know when to update?
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1805 [16:46:09] <greycat> edi: aha, yes, bumped kernel ABI means
you have to rebuild your e1000e module for the new ABI
1806 [16:46:24] <NetTerminalGene> BCMM, actually i just want to
try first
1807 [16:46:39] <Tenkawa> yep
1808 [16:46:40] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: if you want a piece of
software, the safest way to add it is to add its repo. If you
dislike it later, purge and remove repo then.
1809 [16:46:46] <greycat> so you would need to install
linux-headers-4.9.0-9-amd64 and proceed from there
1810 [16:46:58] <BCMM> NetTerminalGene: i'm still not sure
what exactly you're worried about - are you concerned that the
repo will try to replace system libraries with its own version, for
example?
1811 [16:47:08] <edi> already trying that :p
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1813 [16:47:23] <edi> so this means I'm going to encouter
this every 3 months or so
1814 [16:47:23] <edi> ?
1815 [16:47:31] <edi> how can I solve this better?
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1817 [16:47:37] <jelly> edi: if "linux-headers-amd64" is
installed, you just need to do "apt-get dist-upgrade" to
get it.
1818 [16:47:48] <edi> oh
1819 [16:47:52] <edi> cool
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1821 [16:47:56] <Tenkawa> yep
1822 [16:48:00] <greycat> It only happens when the kernel ABI
changes. I don't understand why security updates keep changing
it.
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1824 [16:48:11] <jelly> our topic states you need dist-upgrade to
get all the bits from 9.9 point release.
1825 [16:48:16] <edi> now lets quick fix this first then I'll
root it out for good
1826 [16:48:25] <edi> thanks for the help !
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1828 [16:48:48] <jelly> greycat: because not changing it is lots
of work
1829 [16:49:06] <jelly> sometimes effectively impossible
1830 [16:49:23] <Tenkawa> why did we get into software devel
again?
1831 [16:49:27] <edi> so I did make && make install after
grabbing the right linux headers
1832 [16:49:30] <edi> should do it
1833 [16:49:30] <Tenkawa> haahaa
1834 [16:49:32] <edi> ?
1835 [16:49:49] <BlackBishop> thanks jelly
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1837 [16:49:56] <edi> hehe i don't develop i configure stuff
:p
1838 [16:50:13] <Tenkawa> edi: I do aota
1839 [16:50:26] <Tenkawa> aota = all of the above
1840 [16:50:42] <BlackBishop> !jessie sources.list
1841 [16:50:43] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb
replaced-url
1842 [16:50:49] <Tenkawa> develop, admin, configure, design, fix,
and sometimes bream
1843 [16:50:52] <Tenkawa> er break
1844 [16:51:19] <edi> break i do to :p
1845 [16:51:24] <edi> i need a break actually
1846 [16:51:27] <Tenkawa> heehee
1847 [16:51:49] <edi> oke I'm back up!
1848 [16:51:52] <edi> yes
1849 [16:51:59] <Tenkawa> yay!!!!!
1850 [16:52:24] <edi> now I can fix the issuea that mabe me reboot
in the first place lol
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1855 [16:57:18] <edi> quick next question, how to change an old
disk partition table? i want to convert an old ntfs disk to ext4
1856 [16:57:54] <greycat> just write an ext4 file system on that
partition, and mount it
1857 [16:58:03] <greycat> you don't need to adjust the
partition table
1858 [16:58:32] <Tenkawa> greycat: shouldn't he change the
type for consistency?
1859 [16:58:45] <greycat> if you want to, but it's just
decoration
1860 [16:58:48] <Tenkawa> true
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1863 [16:59:13] <edi> well its an old disk with 4 partitions
1864 [16:59:20] <edi> and I used cfdisk to delete em
1865 [16:59:27] <Tenkawa> doesnt matter
1866 [16:59:30] <edi> and write a new single partition
1867 [16:59:37] <edi> but the 4 still show up
1868 [16:59:43] <edi> maybe disk broken?
1869 [16:59:53] <Tenkawa> did you save and refresh
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1871 [17:00:00] <edi> ah no
1872 [17:00:02] <edi> i'm stupid
1873 [17:00:11] <edi> I didn't unmount one of the partitions
1874 [17:00:18] <edi> sorry
1875 [17:00:19] <Tenkawa> that will do it too
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running my service opendmarc
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1954 [17:28:53] <NetTerminalGene> how can i learn which mesa
driver i use?
1955 [17:29:46] <greycat> glxinfo | less
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1967 [17:33:09] <BCMM> `glxinfo | grep amdgpu` - nothing on my
machine
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1969 [17:33:57] <BCMM> glxinfo is how you check whether
you're using mesa or some proprietary libgl like the nvidia one
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1976 [17:40:39] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: look around glxinfo|grep
-A1 Vendor
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1978 [17:41:08] <greycat> or just keep paging down through
glxinfo|less until you find what you're looking for
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1980 [17:41:37] <jelly> Vendor: Intel Open Source Technology
Center (0x8086)
1981 [17:41:38] <jelly> Device: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell (0x41e)
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2020 [18:05:47] <csanyipal> Hi,
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2024 [18:07:06] <csanyipal> I have installed Debian Stretch on a
Desktop machine which has floppy drive too. I can access floppz disk
but can't write on it.
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2026 [18:07:24] <csanyipal> I am using XFCE DE.
2027 [18:07:40] <csanyipal> How to set it to can write on floppz
disks?
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2029 [18:07:45] <csanyipal> floppy
2030 [18:08:04] <Ede|Popede> is it formatted, mounted rw, do you
have write access?
2031 [18:08:29] <greycat> ,info mtools
2032 [18:08:30] <judd> Package mtools (otherosfs, optional) in
stretch/amd64: Tools for manipulating MSDOS files. Version:
4.0.18-2+b1; Size: 177.1k; Installed: 361k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2034 [18:08:36] <csanyipal> It is formatted. It is not mounted rw
so I have no write access.
2035 [18:08:59] <csanyipal> I am going to install mtools.
2036 [18:09:12] <greycat> mtools is an alternative to mounting and
treating it like a unix file system
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2039 [18:10:30] <jelly> wow. I haven't used mtools for
probably more than a decade, back when there were floppies
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2041 [18:10:38] <greycat> yeah, it's been a while
2042 [18:10:55] <Ede|Popede> didn't use them in years, do
they have advantage to user(s) option and proper dmask/fmask?
2043 [18:11:27] * Ede|Popede still has a sealed package of 5.25“
floppies, just for the case :)
2044 [18:11:42] <jelly> ,i dosemu
2045 [18:11:43] <judd> Package dosemu (contrib/otherosfs,
optional) in stretch/amd64: DOS Emulator for Linux. Version:
1.4.0.7+20130105+b028d3f-2+b1; Size: 2180.4k; Installed: 4891k;
Homepage:
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2047 [18:13:16] <csanyipal> Just installed mtools.
2048 [18:13:47] <csanyipal> So how to use it to mount floppy rw?
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2050 [18:14:31] <jelly> you don't mount it at all AFAIR, just
use mcopy to copy files to and from?
2051 [18:14:32] <greycat> You don't mount floppies if you use
mtools. It's an alternative to the entire mounting paradigm.
2052 [18:14:39] <ksk> csanyipal:
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2053 [18:14:51] <ksk> ah okay..
2054 [18:15:00] <jelly> and mdir to look at contents
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2079 [18:31:59] <Mazhive> guys i getting crazy ...
opendmarc.service: Start request repeated too quickly. May 24
17:46:11 server systemd[1]: Failed to start OpenDMARC Milter.
2080 [18:32:07] <Mazhive> but opendkim runs fine ???
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2082 [18:32:42] <Mazhive> i know 5 times within 10 seconds but
that is not the case here ..
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2087 [18:35:11] <Mazhive> systemctl -xe tells me nothing more...
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2107 [18:48:43] <Mazhive>
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2111 [18:50:58] <jelly> Mazhive: read the docs, find where the
service does logging, look at log files. It might not be
systemd-journal enabled.
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2130 [19:06:05] <ehko> Another Beautiful Birth - Birth of a New
Earth:
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2152 [19:15:47] <girl-talker-pink> Why They Want to Replace White
People - Red Ice TV:
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2164 [19:21:41] <beaver> -_-
2165 [19:21:43] <nt80> lol
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2167 [19:22:02] <beaver> tom-gnucoder: please, stop that ...
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2189 [19:37:59] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. I am currently trying to get
my system ready for upgrade. I ran apt-get upgrade to make sure all
of my packages were up to date, but it holds back the following
packages. Is there a way to find out why?
2190 [19:38:29] <greycat> !held back
2191 [19:38:29] <dpkg> Apt says packages are "kept back"
when they cannot be upgraded even though newer versions are
available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages
are on hold or you used "upgrade" not
"full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part
of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install
<kept-package>". See also
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2192 [19:38:30] <Lady_Aleena> firmware-linux-nonfree
libfreerdp-cache1.1 libfreerdp-client1.1 libfreerdp-core1.1
libfreerdp-gdi1.1 linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64
python-reportbug reportbug
2193 [19:39:13] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: you're still on jessie?
do a dist-upgrade as well.
2194 [19:39:27] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, I'm preparing for it.
2195 [19:39:40] <greycat> apt-get upgrade (as opposed to apt
upgrade) needs --with-new-pkgs in order to do what apt does by
default
2196 [19:39:51] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: not a release upgrade. An
"apt-get dist-upgrade" while still on jessie.
2197 [19:40:14] <greycat> or, as jelly says, you can just use
dist-upgrade
2198 [19:40:25] <Lady_Aleena> apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs
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2202 [19:41:10] <Lady_Aleena> ^trying that
2203 [19:41:12] <velix> !seen debian10
2204 [19:41:12] <dpkg> velix: i haven't seen
'debian10'
2205 [19:41:18] <velix> I also haven't :(
2206 [19:41:31] <jelly> dpkg, wwbr
2207 [19:41:31] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" started the
<freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019.
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2208 [19:41:44] <jelly> !rc bugs
2209 [19:41:44] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with
critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release
of Debian. See the graph at
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2210 [19:42:01] <velix> jelly: I know, I'm just going through
the list.
2211 [19:42:05] <velix> jelly: But thanks!
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2213 [19:43:22] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, dist-upgrade while jessie is
still in my sources.list?
2214 [19:43:46] <greycat> !kept back
2215 [19:43:46] <dpkg> Apt says packages are "kept back"
when they cannot be upgraded even though newer versions are
available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages
are on hold or you used "upgrade" not
"full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part
of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install
<kept-package>". See also
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2216 [19:44:00] <ksk> Lady_Aleena: yes. why not take a look at the
apt-get manpage, and take a look at the difference between upgrade
and dist-upgrade..
2217 [19:44:22] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, hold on, I was just told
that I need to restart my computer.
2218 [19:44:34] <Lady_Aleena> ^Not just greycat, but everyone.
2219 [19:44:35] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: precisely that.
2220 [19:44:39] <Lady_Aleena> brb
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2223 [19:45:37] <greycat> she doesn't actually understand
anything she reads, does she
2224 [19:46:13] <jelly> she's... trying
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2226 [19:46:54] <jelly> I wouldn't go so far to say
"anything" is accurate
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2229 [19:47:55] <jelly> dabbles in perl and databases, but is
missing many core concepts
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2231 [19:48:11] <jelly> speak of the devil
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2233 [19:48:19] <velix> Interesting, only two bugs would annoy me.
2234 [19:48:24] <velix> I think of trying Buster now.
2235 [19:48:27] <Lady_Aleena> I'm the devil?
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2237 [19:49:03] <greycat> I'm sure he meant it in a nice way.
2238 [19:49:06] <velix> Lady_Aleena: When god is a girl, devil can
be, too.
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2241 [19:49:51] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, well, one good thing just
happened. For the last couple of months and when I would (re)boot, I
was getting an SRST error with errorno=16. When I just rebooted,
that error was gone.
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2243 [19:51:42] <Lady_Aleena> Now, apt-get upgrade is clear of any
packages. I think my system is now, minimally up to date
software-wise. Now to get to the dist-upgrade suggestion.
2244 [19:52:25] <Lady_Aleena> So, now do a dist-upgrade while
jessie is still in my sources.list?
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2246 [19:52:50] <jhutchins_wk> !jessie->stretch
2247 [19:53:01] <jelly> jessie and nothing else. Bring jessie up
to date frist.
2248 [19:53:03] <annadane> that factoid has never worked ever, has
it...
2249 [19:53:08] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins_wk, I'm not to that
point yet.
2250 [19:53:34] <jhutchins_wk> ! jessie->stretch
2251 [19:53:34] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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2252 [19:53:35] <jelly> annadane: short character ! addressing the
bot fails with factoids that have ->
2253 [19:53:49] <jelly> nickname addressing it works.
2254 [19:53:56] <BCMM> that's a confusingly specific issue
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2256 [19:54:04] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2257 [19:54:07] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Work with a space.
2258 [19:54:15] <jelly> I refuse to space it.
2259 [19:54:25] <jelly> dpkg: botsnack
2260 [19:54:25] <dpkg> jelly: thanks
2261 [19:55:15] <jelly> (ok, I did not know that)
2262 [19:55:22] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins_wk, I am still not to the
point where my system is ready for upgrading from jessie to stretch.
2263 [19:55:51] <jhutchins_wk> Lady_Aleena: Yes, it is safe to do
a dist-upgrade at this point.
2264 [19:56:03] <jhutchins_wk> Lady_Aleena: In fact, they
don't have to be done separately.
2265 [19:56:53] <Lady_Aleena> jhutchins_wk, I'm not past
section 4.2 on
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2266 [19:56:55] <jhutchins_wk> Lady_Aleena: The install guide may
recommend doing it in two stages, but if you're allready
running a given release you can just dist-upgrade everything.
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2268 [19:57:08] <BCMM> Lady_Aleena: dist-upgrade does not, in
fact, always mean "upgrade to a new distro"
2269 [19:57:28] <Lady_Aleena> I'm not past the opening of
that section. I haven't gotten to 4.2.1
2270 [19:57:41] <BCMM> it's just "like upgrade, but it
will remove packages if necessary"
2271 [19:57:45] <greycat> the confusion caused by this is why apt
changed the spelling from "dist-upgrade" to
"full-upgrade"
2272 [19:58:24] <Lady_Aleena> greycat, but not my apt-get I take
it.
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2274 [19:59:06] <BCMM> Lady_Aleena: greycat means the the `apt`
command, an additional frontend to apt-get that does not replace
apt-get
2275 [19:59:24] <greycat> the user interface of apt-get is static,
so it can be used in scripts
2276 [19:59:32] <Lady_Aleena> So, run apt-get dist-upgrade to make
sure jessie is fully up to date.
2277 [19:59:36] <BCMM> yes
2278 [19:59:48] <Lady_Aleena> Done
2279 [19:59:54] <jhutchins_wk> BCMM: There's no reason apt
can't replace apt-get, and aptitude, which can also replace
apt-get.
2280 [19:59:54] <greycat> the user interface of apt is whatever
they decide to do this month
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2283 [20:00:57] <jelly> colors! progress bars!
2284 [20:01:04] <jelly> cake?!?!
2285 [20:01:07] <Lady_Aleena> So, dist-upgrade is done.
2286 [20:01:11] <greycat> E: Invalid operation cake
2287 [20:01:17] <jelly> moo
2288 [20:01:47] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: you possibly have an even
newer kernel now
2289 [20:02:01] <BCMM> jhutchins_wk: for interactive use, sure.
i'm just clarifying that it's a distinct tool, not the new
version of apt-get
2290 [20:02:28] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: or not. there are probably a
smaller number of held packages.
2291 [20:02:39] <jelly> there is*
2292 [20:02:53] <Lady_Aleena> jelly,
replaced-url
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2294 [20:04:42] <Lady_Aleena> So, nothing happened when it was
run.
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2299 [20:05:54] <velix> With Stretch, I've only used
"apt" instread of "apt-get". Is "apt"
grown up enough?
2300 [20:06:13] <greycat> that's for you to decide
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2302 [20:06:42] <velix> greycat: I don't miss the cow powder.
2303 [20:06:44] <velix> eeeh cow power.
2304 [20:07:28] <greycat> they both have Super Cow Powers
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2306 [20:07:52] <BCMM> i'm slightly disappointed that they
have the exact same cow tbh
2307 [20:08:16] <greycat> they're wrappers around some
library calls that do the actual stuff
2308 [20:08:26] <greycat> or at least I think that's how it
works
2309 [20:09:12] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: good
2310 [20:09:55] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: are there still some packages
held?
2311 [20:09:59] <Lady_Aleena> So, now I have nothing in upgrade
being held back, now I can go back to figuring out why I have a list
of ~20 packages that Debian doesn't like:
replaced-url
2312 [20:10:03] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, no
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2314 [20:10:10] <jelly> okay
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2316 [20:10:49] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: canon printer drivers did not
come from Debian.
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2318 [20:11:22] <jelly> neither did org.jessies.terminator and I
did not even know there was a Notepad++ native Linux build
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2321 [20:11:37] <Lady_Aleena> discord and org.jessies.terminator
didn't either. I don't know what all the lib thingys are.
2322 [20:12:42] <jelly> the multimedia crap is probably from dmo.
See if their version numbers have "dmo" in the name. If
that is so, I'd purge those now and reinstall later, from
stretch.
2323 [20:12:49] <Lady_Aleena> s/know what all the lib thingys
are/know where all the lib thingys came from/;
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2325 [20:13:09] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, how do I do that?
2326 [20:13:19] <jelly> list package versions?
2327 [20:13:26] <jelly> dpkg -l | grep dmo
2328 [20:13:26] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep dmo
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2331 [20:13:57] <jelly> that's not a 100% correct command
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2335 [20:14:13] <jelly> ii gtk-engines-redmond95 0.12-8.1+b1 i386
Windows-like theme for GTK+ 1.2
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2337 [20:14:19] <jelly> but is good enough
2338 [20:14:20] <Lady_Aleena> Only on came back,
libjs-jquery-ui-theme-redmond
2339 [20:14:39] <greycat> hah
2340 [20:14:45] <Lady_Aleena> s/Only on/Only one/;
2341 [20:14:57] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: what does dpkg -l ffmpeg|tail
-n1 say?
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2343 [20:15:06] <jelly> (ie. which version of package is that?)
2344 [20:15:45] <Lady_Aleena> ii ffmpeg 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1
amd64 Tools for transcoding, streaming and playing of multimedia
files
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2346 [20:16:08] <greycat> jessie-backports
2347 [20:16:11] <jelly> oh, you have some packages from
jessie-backports and you removed that repo
2348 [20:16:23] <jelly> that's _most likely_ fine
2349 [20:16:38] <Lady_Aleena> I take it that is what -bp or -bpo
stands for?
2350 [20:16:46] <jelly> bpo8, yes
2351 [20:17:14] <jelly> and most if not all the libav stuff is for
ffmpeg.
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2353 [20:17:54] <Lady_Aleena> So, it might be that the whole list
with the exceptions of discord, notepadqq, and
org.jessies.terminator may be from backports?
2354 [20:17:54] <BCMM> what exactly does `aptitude search
'~i(!~ODebian)'` do? list packages that didn't come
from debian repos?
2355 [20:17:55] <jelly> if you want to make sure, you can readd
jessie-backports back, do that Origin check again
2356 [20:17:57] <greycat> bpo stands for "backports.org"
because they used to be on
replaced-url
2357 [20:18:33] <jelly> BCMM: ~i installed packages, ! not from ~O
Origin: Debian
2358 [20:19:06] <Lady_Aleena> Aren't backports dead now?
2359 [20:19:12] <BCMM> jelly: thanks. i'm wondering how i got
things like libicu57 and openjdk-8-jdk on that list...
2360 [20:19:36] <BCMM> there's a few things i expect, i.e.
stuff i have repos for or stuff i installed from a .deb, but
there's some other stuff that has me stumped...
2361 [20:19:37] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: oh right, you'd have to
pull the repo from archive.debian.org
2362 [20:19:51] <greycat> libicu* is from dnsutils
2363 [20:20:15] <jelly> BCMM: you can safely "apt-mark auto
libicu57"
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2365 [20:20:34] <BCMM> jelly: right, but why is it marked as not
from debian?
2366 [20:20:36] <greycat> or... maybe I'm thinking of
different cryptic libs
2367 [20:20:41] <Lady_Aleena> So, which line do I alter in my
sources.list?
2368 [20:20:48] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
2369 [20:21:11] <jelly> BCMM: possibly because you've also
removed the repo so apt can't check where the exact installed
version is available from
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2371 [20:21:33] <jelly> apt and dpkg do NOT keep track of where an
installed package came from
2372 [20:21:33] <greycat> sorry, I was thinking of libidn* and
libisc*
2373 [20:21:56] <BCMM> jelly: "libicu57 was already set to
automatically installed.", but apt autoremove doesn't try
to remove it...
2374 [20:22:08] <Lady_Aleena> It is a good possibility that my
firefox on that list is a backport.
2375 [20:22:10] <greycat> then use "aptitude why
libicu57"
2376 [20:22:11] <BCMM> what's the actual logic behind
autoremove? i've noticed it not wanting to remove stuff like
that before
2377 [20:22:12] <jelly> BCMM: something depends on it.
2378 [20:22:28] <BCMM> greycat: oh right, i forgot about
suggestions again
2379 [20:22:52] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: if you want to keep things
neat, you could I guess replace line 11 with a working line for
jessie-backports
2380 [20:23:19] <jelly> deb
replaced-url
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2382 [20:23:37] <jelly> but you will also have to use this option
to do an apt-get update
2383 [20:23:42] <jelly> !valid-until
2384 [20:23:42] <dpkg> valid-until is, like, apt-get/aptitude -o
Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false and/or see
replaced-url
2385 [20:24:16] <jelly> otherwise,
2386 [20:24:18] <jelly> E: Release file for
replaced-url
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2390 [20:26:17] <velix> Can anyone explain, what
"sloppy" releases are?
2391 [20:26:27] <Lady_Aleena> jelly, update didn't like deb
replaced-url
2392 [20:27:02] <greycat> did you read what jelly already wrote?
2393 [20:27:18] <Lady_Aleena> How does that work?
2394 [20:27:26] <annadane> !tell velix -about backports-sloppy
2395 [20:27:32] <velix> annadane: thx
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2399 [20:28:25] <annadane> i *could* explain it myself instead of
spamming you with a bot but where's the fun in that
2400 [20:28:44] <Lady_Aleena> What option do I need to use when I
run apt-get update? "apt-get update --valid-until"
2401 [20:29:05] <greycat> Lady_Aleena: now read what dpkg said in
response to what jelly said.
2402 [20:29:48] <jelly> even if bot's message could be
clearer, it shows an URL that explains "How does that
work?"
2403 [20:30:12] <Lady_Aleena> What is the exact command? It is all
mixed up, and I don't know what parts go where.
2404 [20:30:49] <jelly> apt-get -o
Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false [and do here what you wanted it to
do]
2405 [20:31:07] <jelly> which is "update"
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2409 [20:33:04] <Lady_Aleena> So that aptitude search got a lot
shorter.
replaced-url
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2411 [20:33:53] <jelly> package "firefox" is a
transitional one and you can safely purge it or ignore it. The
others are really coming from outside of Debian.
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2413 [20:34:31] <Lady_Aleena> Would they be a hindrance to
upgrading to stretch?
2414 [20:34:46] <jelly> that 100% depends on the packages
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2418 [20:35:48] <Lady_Aleena> So, apt-get remove firefox or
apt-get purge firefox?
2419 [20:36:04] <jelly> ... they might, or they might not. I only
know existence of cndrvcups-ufr2-uk, cndrvcups-common did not
horribly break my jessie->stretch
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2421 [20:36:33] <jelly> either is fine, use purge
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2423 [20:36:52] <Lady_Aleena> That won't affect my .mozilla
will it?
2424 [20:37:03] <greycat> no
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2426 [20:37:07] <Lady_Aleena> Cool.
2427 [20:37:34] <joze> are stupid people soon allowed to install
buster?
2428 [20:37:50] <jelly> (you could check yourself by looking at
what package /var/lib/dpkg/info/firefox.*rm scripts do)
2429 [20:38:15] <jelly> joze: this year probably
2430 [20:38:27] <BCMM> discord should be fine, it's
apparently statically-linked (since it's just the
".deb" version on their site. not the "debian
stable" or "ubuntu" or whatever package)
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2433 [20:39:26] <jelly> coworker succeeded installing buster on a
fresh 8gen intel desktop, but he had 2-3 fellow sysadmins to help
2434 [20:39:57] <jelly> stretch installer failed badly on this hw
2435 [20:39:57] <joze> intel cpus are those with the flaws?
2436 [20:40:07] <jelly> all modern cpus have flaws.
2437 [20:40:12] <BCMM> but where you got a notepadqq deb is a
mystery to me, since it seems to be one of those "just use
snaps!" developers
2438 [20:40:35] <jelly> BCMM: any why is it not called notepad++?
2439 [20:40:47] <weedloser> On an offtopic note: I would strongly
suggest to simply use discord in a browser instead.
2440 [20:40:55] <Lady_Aleena> BCMM, I got rid of notepadqq since
it is way underdeveloped.
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2442 [20:41:09] <BCMM> jelly: it's a npp sorta-clone for
linux
2443 [20:41:21] <jelly> Lady_Aleena: vscode is kinda nice.
2444 [20:41:33] <BCMM> (bit odd, because we already have a bunch
of editors with a similar concept, like kate)
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2446 [20:41:42] <jelly> BCMM: oh, not the real thing?
2447 [20:42:00] <BCMM> jelly: no. notepad++ doesn't run
natively on linux
2448 [20:42:10] <BCMM> (and isn't exactly flawless on wine
either)
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2450 [20:42:22] <Lady_Aleena> kate is horrible.
2451 [20:43:09] <Lady_Aleena> I went to geany. It is close, but
there are some things about it that bug the hell out of me.
2452 [20:43:50] <nt80> same
2453 [20:44:06] <Lady_Aleena> So the printer driver, discord, and
org.jessies.terminator shouldn't hurt my dist-upgrade to
stretch?
2454 [20:44:29] <humpled> what is so annoying about geany?
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2456 [20:44:48] <Lady_Aleena> humpled, when I go to save a file,
it does not remember the LAST dir used.
2457 [20:45:02] <ChunkzZ> leafpad > geany.
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2459 [20:45:18] <BCMM> ChunkzZ: leafpad is a different category of
software
2460 [20:45:27] <ChunkzZ> :p
2461 [20:45:29] <BCMM> it's more like notepad than notepad++
basically
2462 [20:45:31] <Lady_Aleena> humpled, it always takes me up to
the top defined "home" directory. There are times where I
am working 4 or 5 dir levels down.
2463 [20:45:48] <BCMM> (i mean, apart from the fact that
notepad.exe is kind of broken)
2464 [20:46:25] <Lady_Aleena> Notepad++ remembered where I was
working.
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2466 [20:47:41] <Lady_Aleena> But that is for another day.
I'm trying to get my system ready for dist-upgrade, even if I
don't do it this weekend, I know I have to do it SOON.
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2468 [20:49:23] <humpled> hmm, geany always shows me Recently Used
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2475 [20:57:07] <Lady_Aleena> Is there a list of sources for
stretch for sources.list? I doubt just changing the lines in my
current sources.list from jessie to stretch would do the trick.
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2477 [20:57:44] <Lady_Aleena> It isn't in
replaced-url
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2479 [20:58:00] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
2480 [20:58:00] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for
"Stretch" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
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2484 [21:00:13] <Lady_Aleena> Tack on contrib and non-free after
main on each line?
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2487 [21:01:28] <Lady_Aleena> Also, there are no backports in
stretch?
2488 [21:01:35] <greycat> !stretch-backports
2489 [21:01:35] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian
10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in
the stretch-backports repository. See
replaced-url
2490 [21:01:46] <greycat> they are not *in* stretch
2491 [21:01:51] <Guest23>
replaced-url
2492 [21:01:54] <greycat> they are a thing that you might add *to*
stretch
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2494 [21:02:39] <humpled> there are no backports for jessie
2495 [21:02:45] <dax> Guest23: don't spam on freenode, please
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2498 [21:03:42] <Tenkawa> apt-get build-deps and apt-get source -b
is my friend
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2502 [21:05:12] <Tenkawa> er build-dep
2503 [21:05:18] <Lady_Aleena> humpled, now, but there were.
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2581 [22:02:18] <Marge99> You want to look at mе without clothes,
sweetie (EXCLUSIVE FREE FOR NEXT 3 PEOPLE!!) ;-) follow the link and
add me as a friend ----------->
replaced-url
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2601 [22:11:56] <hmuller> I am using Debian testing aka buster.
Network stopped after reboot today. Network interface was renamed to
something different than shown in /etc/network/interfaces.
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2604 [22:13:23] <hmuller> It's been awhile since I have done
network troubleshooting, module r8169 is doing the remaining, but
why all of a sudden might it be using a different name?
2605 [22:13:53] <greycat> what are the names before and after the
change?
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2607 [22:14:32] <hmuller> Eth0 is being renamed to enp24s0, where
it was enp31s0 previously
2608 [22:14:56] <greycat> ... but it was never actually eth0?
that's just you here in IRC making that part up?
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2610 [22:16:16] <tehnull> why can't eht0 be eth0
2611 [22:16:16] <hmuller> I no, dmesg shows the interface name as
eth0 before the rename
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2614 [22:17:09] <tehnull> enp5s0 is such a logical name for eth0
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2618 [22:17:44] <karlpinc> hmuller: The name says the nic changed
to a different pci slot. (I think.)
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2621 [22:19:05] <karlpinc> hmuller: The buster release notes come
to mind as a place where there's info, but really the
documentation is in the source code. (Google for "predicable
interface naming" or some such.)
2622 [22:19:20] <hmuller> Oh. That's weird, I did a bios
upgrade, but didn't think of that as the problem
2623 [22:19:35] <greycat> ... seriously, the documentation for
"How does the new naming scheme look" tells your read the
kernel source code?!?
2624 [22:19:52] <greycat> or wait, I guess it's udev source
code. but still, that is not acceptable.
2625 [22:19:57] <karlpinc> greycat: Sorta kinda. It gives some
common examples first.
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2627 [22:20:03] <greycat> WHERE
2628 [22:20:07] <greycat>
replaced-url
2629 [22:20:10] <greycat> How does the new naming scheme look
like, precisely?
2630 [22:20:14] <greycat> That's documented in detail in a
comment block the sources of the net_id built-in. Please refer to
this in case you are wondering how to decode the new interface
names.
2631 [22:20:15] <karlpinc> greycat: Uh. I'll have to go
looking....
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2633 [22:20:30] <karlpinc> greycat: There ya go.
2634 [22:20:46] <greycat> that is the entire answer.
2635 [22:21:04] <karlpinc> greycat: I went and looked at the
source. The comments are pretty good.
2636 [22:21:29] <karlpinc> greycat: (Although nothing says (IIRC)
that the numbers are in base 10.)
2637 [22:21:43] <karlpinc> greycat: There's a block comment
at the top.
2638 [22:21:44] <greycat> I ctrl-f'e for enp. Do you know how
many results there are for enp in this source code?
2639 [22:22:02] <karlpinc> greycat: Lemme look....
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2641 [22:22:10] <greycat> I'll give you a hint. It's
between -1 and 1.
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2645 [22:25:06] <greycat> the wiki page links to #L20 but line 20
is #include <stdio.h> which makes me think there USED TO BE
comments here but they were moved/removed
2646 [22:25:46] <karlpinc> greycat: They got moved to here:
2647 [22:25:49] <karlpinc>
replaced-url
2648 [22:25:59] <greycat> so now I have to read XML
2649 [22:26:05] <greycat> I think I'd rather read C
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2651 [22:26:31] <greycat> in either case, their wiki answer thing
needs to be updated to point to the correct place
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2653 [22:27:39] <greycat> what is a person expected to do with
documentation that's in an XML file, exactly?
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2655 [22:28:13] <greycat> ,file net-naming-scheme
2656 [22:28:17] <hmuller> greycat: read it with a machine
obviously
2657 [22:28:18] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
2658 [22:28:34] <greycat> what kind of machine? what command?
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2660 [22:29:00] <hmuller> That was a poor attempt at humor
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2664 [22:29:39] <karlpinc> greycat: I can only imagine that there
must be on-line docs. (Right?)
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2668 [22:30:36] <karlpinc> greycat: To generate anything useful
you need docbook, which requires a whole lot of dependencies.
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2670 [22:31:40] <greycat> and nobody has actually done this... or
at least, the results are not anywhere in Debian
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2673 [22:34:56] <karlpinc> I can't find any on-line version
of the docs.
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2675 [22:37:31] <karlpinc> It'll probably show up in here,
eventually:
replaced-url
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2684 [22:38:48] <hmuller> Modifying /etc/network/interfaces is a
temporary fix. Apparently until a bios upgrade switches the PCI slot
my network interface resides on
2685 [22:39:05] * karlpinc thinks it is too bad Debian is not so behind
the adoption curve that actual documentation exists for its
features.
2686 [22:39:42] <karlpinc> hmuller: There's a kernel
parameter you can supply at boot that will make it go back to eth0.
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2690 [22:41:27] <hmuller> karlpinc: thanks for the pointer, I will
look that up. That looks like a more permanent solution. I am not
hot plugging network cards
2691 [22:41:28] <karlpinc> hmuller: (On second thought, I think
it's the pci bus number that's changed on you. )
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2693 [22:42:19] <karlpinc> hmuller: The reason they did this is
because sometimes the eth0 changes out from under you -- I think. I
did not try hard to understand.
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2695 [22:43:01] <ksk> yeah, it was changed from "first card
initialized is eth0" to something more deterministic (pci ids?)
2696 [22:43:04] <greycat> if your machine only has one ethernet
interface, eth0 will never change
2697 [22:43:17] <ksk> because order of initialisation can differ
from boot to boot
2698 [22:43:35] <greycat> the udev thing makes more sense on
machines with multiple NICs
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2707 [22:47:08] <hmuller> Yes, there is only one NIC. So perhaps
the answer is to set net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 in grub as karlpinc
suggests
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2710 [22:50:01] <ksk> hmuller: afaik you can also set the devices
names via udev - if this is what you initally asked.
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2713 [22:50:30] <ksk> like, specify pci-id for matching, and give
it "name=eth0" or something like that (its been some time
I messed around with udev)
2714 [22:51:28] <greycat> if the machine will never have multiple
NICs, I wouldn't even bother with that
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2716 [22:52:06] <hmuller> I was curious why the naming changed. I
updated bios today, karlpinc's hypothesis is the NIC bus number
changed
2717 [22:52:43] <greycat> somewhere in this XML thing is
supposedly a description of what the "p" and "s"
values mean
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2720 [22:55:19] <hmuller> greycat: I read about change from eth0
to the new system and summarily dumped that information. I meant the
name change from enp31s0 to enp24s0
2721 [22:55:40] <greycat> Yes. We are trying to find the actual
documentation that says what p31s0 means.
2722 [22:55:47] <greycat> all we've got is
replaced-url
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2724 [22:56:07] <Habbie>
replaced-url
2725 [22:56:22] <greycat> apparently nobody in the history of
history has converted that XML shit into actual documentation
2726 [22:56:48] <Habbie> ugh
2727 [22:56:52] <Habbie> my url has a link at the end
2728 [22:56:55] <Habbie> to a code comment
2729 [22:56:56] <greycat> Habbie: that links to the OLD location
in ths source code. The link now points to #include <stdio.h>
2730 [22:56:58] <Habbie> that comment is gone and now there is
that xml
2731 [22:57:01] <Habbie> yes
2732 [22:57:05] <Habbie> the comment was perfect
2733 [22:57:19] <Habbie>
replaced-url
2734 [22:57:38] <Habbie> that xml is supposed to generate a man
page
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2736 [22:58:15] <Habbie> but i cannot find a render of it
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2738 [22:58:50] <Habbie> anyway, p24 is PCI bus 24 and s0 is slot0
on that bus
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2741 [23:01:58] <greycat> so... distributors like Debian are
expected to convert this XML thing into a man page somehow, and
include it in their packages?
2742 [23:02:36] <Habbie> yes
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2744 [23:02:45] <greycat> has anyone told them? :)
2745 [23:02:49] <jmcnaught> that XML man page only got committed
15 days ago
2746 [23:02:52] <winny> docbook is pretty well tried and true
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2748 [23:02:54] <Habbie> that commit i linked to is 15 days old
2749 [23:03:02] <winny> a lot of projects use docbook
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2751 [23:03:13] <Habbie> i trust it will come to debian when
debian upgrades to the next systemd release after this commit
2752 [23:03:37] <winny> all of the freebsd documetation is
docbook, for example
2753 [23:03:44] <winny> (not manpages though ;)
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2755 [23:03:59] <greycat> who the fuck can possibly WRITE xml like
this, what...
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2757 [23:04:17] <Habbie> i did it for a while
2758 [23:04:19] <Habbie> i did not like it
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2762 [23:05:42] <winny> greycat: it might be nice to compare to
the old manpages, if they use the simple man macros, it's
probably not very semantic (and won't translate well into
non-manpage usage)
2763 [23:05:55] <hmuller> Thanks everyone for the input, nice to
know BIOS updates can disrupt your networking
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2767 [23:07:34] <greycat> even texinfo is better than this
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2772 [23:10:07] <winny> can't argue with that :)
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