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243 [02:04:31] <kingsley> # calc '3.4/3'
244 [02:04:52] <kingsley> What do you get?
245 [02:05:12] <kingsley> I get ~1.13333333333333333333
246 [02:05:19] <kingsley> which has the wrong sign.
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251 [02:06:47] <mefistofeles> kingsley: when using what?
252 [02:06:53] <mefistofeles> is that a command?
253 [02:07:20] <dvs> kingsley, wrong sign? It's a tilde, not
a hyphen
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256 [02:07:56] <missmbob> also offtopic
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258 [02:08:48] <kingsley> mefistofeles: Sorry. Maybe I should
have explained that the "calc" command is in the package
named "apcalc". I got the same result with versions
2.12.5.0-1+b3 and 2.12.5.0-1.
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262 [02:09:16] <missmbob> there's ##math btw
263 [02:09:33] <kingsley> dvs: Thank you very much. As you
pointed out, I now realize I mistook a tilde for a hyphen.
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292 [02:20:50] <Unline> .
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300 [02:22:34] <pac> ive got a PS3/PC game controller with deb8,
i have installed xboxdrv and in /var/log/syslog I can see that the
OS is at least mentioning it, but still the controller is totally
unresponsive, and doesnt even light up. anyone know what I should
try and troubleshoot next?
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317 [02:29:08] <joeyy> any one use zfs ?
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319 [02:31:06] <sypher> !polls
320 [02:31:07] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is
taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can
answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers
will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
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322 [02:31:40] <johnkeates> i use zfs
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367 [02:50:32] <sim590> how do I find wine gecko on debian?
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369 [02:50:45] <sim590> It is needed for lots of wine
applications.
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374 [02:53:39] <missmbob> sim590: i dont use wine...my guess is
sudo apt install winetricks will help you do that
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377 [02:55:45] <abrotman> sim590: you already have the answer?
378 [02:56:30] <sim590> missmbob: I have tried winetricks, but it
says "uknown arg"
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383 [02:58:30] <sim590> abrotman: If you are talking about the
unclear message you left me with, I dont consider that an answer.
I'm not convinced Gecko can't be installed on debian when
I read "No such thing".
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391 [03:02:58] <abrotman> sim590: you found the FTBFS bug, no?
392 [03:03:26] <sim590> missmbob:
replaced-url
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403 [03:04:53] <sim590> abrotman: Yes, but I don't
understand if gecko is provided by another package. When I do
"apt search gecko", I get some results, but it's not
directly related to wine.
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405 [03:05:16] * abrotman wonders if it's sitting in WNPP
406 [03:06:19] <abrotman> nope, don't see it
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410 [03:07:20] <un214> at what point does upgrading to stretch
sound like a good idea?
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412 [03:07:33] <abrotman> un214: that's subjective
413 [03:07:41] <abrotman> some did it quite some time ago
414 [03:07:44] <un214> fair enough
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419 [03:08:35] <un214> I just hope the upgrade process is smart
enough to honor that some packages are pinned to no as they would
break my system
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428 [03:12:23] <un214> hmm how to ask apt-get why it won't
upgrade one package?
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431 [03:13:46] <un214> screw it broken package anyway
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439 [03:17:15] <sim590> It seems I'm forced to run the
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518 [03:52:59] <un214> well now I'm in a bad state
519 [03:53:10] <un214> somehow my debian install used up >
100GB and filled up its disk
520 [03:53:15] <un214> and apt is too broken to use right now
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524 [03:55:23] <Poster> Do you have separate partitions or is it
one big / ?
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526 [03:56:01] <un214> separate partitions
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529 [03:56:28] <un214> / is 100GB /home is indepndent on
different physical disk
530 [03:56:52] <un214> actually I found the problem; 40 GB of
trash in /root
531 [03:57:04] <Poster> Do you know where on your filesystem is
consuming all that space?
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533 [03:57:10] <Poster> that'll do it :S
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535 [03:57:35] <un214> anyway now I need to ask apt to ignore the
fact the system is currently broken and re-download and install all
packages
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539 [03:58:53] <un214> and yeah no web browser right now
540 [03:59:08] <Poster> you can try: apt-get -f install
541 [03:59:12] <un214> nope
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543 [03:59:19] <un214> apt thinks apt is broken
544 [03:59:19] <apt> un214: okay
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546 [04:01:37] <un214> basically I need apt to ignore the fact
the system has broken dependencies
547 [04:01:53] <un214> there's a pretty good chance that
apt-get dist-upgrade would put most packages back
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551 [04:05:58] <pingfloyd> un214: 100GB for debian?!
552 [04:06:14] <pingfloyd> something must have gone really wrong
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560 [04:10:36] <Poster> can you not run apt-get update?
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571 [04:13:36] <un214> it ran
572 [04:13:51] <Poster> ok and now apt-get -f install ?
573 [04:14:12] <un214> apt-get -f install spews about 60 lines of
broken packages
574 [04:14:45] <Poster> pastebin?
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577 [04:14:52] <un214> no GUI web browser
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583 [04:16:13] <un214> I need to know how to unlock apt to allow
it to function while depends are broken
584 [04:16:23] <un214> rather than refusing everything
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586 [04:16:32] <Poster> rescue media probably
587 [04:16:42] <un214> I can boot rescue but that won't
unblock this system
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598 [04:21:31] <un214> there we go I just apt-holepunhed out
dependencies until apt-get -f install resolved
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607 [04:26:47] <Poster> if you have installation media, you can
try mounting it and reinstalling apt* via dpkg, though it may be an
older version
608 [04:27:02] <un214> I don't this system was
debootstrapped
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610 [04:28:25] <un214> all right let's retry the upgrade and
hope that dpkg itself does the sane thing when unpack fails
611 [04:28:40] <un214> I'll worry about unholepunching after
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728 [06:18:37] <un214> how do I tell dpkg-divert to stack a local
divert on top of a package divert
729 [06:19:40] <un214> I get local diversion of
"/usr/bin/firefox" clashes with
"/usr/bin/firefox-real" by firefox-esr
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763 [06:51:36] <random_numbers> Is firmware found in non-free
blob or open-source but non-free because of license issues?
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768 [06:54:21] <somiaj> the drivers are usually refered to as
open. The drivers themselves are dsfg free and part of the linux
kernel. The drivers require the firmware which is usually provded by
the manfacture and is closed, so yes it is a non-free blob.
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771 [06:55:42] <sn0wmonster> How would I go about getting someone
to adopt my project in terms of proper FOSS/packaging advice and
standards checking during its development?
772 [06:56:06] <random_numbers> somiaj: Ah, that's
unfortunate. I thank you for the clarification.
773 [06:56:29] <sn0wmonster> Anyone here interested in pulling it
under their wing and helping guide us to the right direction?
774 [06:56:39] <random_numbers> I was somewhat uncertain because
of this:
replaced-url
775 [06:57:12] <random_numbers> It made me wonder if the package
was pre-packaged open or blobbed distribution.
776 [07:00:13] <somiaj> random_numbers: in many cases it is a
distniction between the firmware being provided on the chips of the
hardware itself or a seperate file which is easier for the
manifucture to update. So just because a driver doesn't use
additional non-free firmware, there still maybe nonfree firmawre on
the device. There are some hardware that only tries to use open
firmware
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779 [07:02:03] <somiaj> random_numbers: I'm unsure about the
open firmware for the atheros chips. I do know that there is some
effort in using open firmware.
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781 [07:02:22] <random_numbers> somiaj: I see. So this particular
case would mean I have a free driver, and some free firmware update
that may or may not be the only firmware acutally running on the
chip.
782 [07:02:23] <somiaj> my personal stance is if hardware is
going to come with firmware, rather have them ship a file than flash
the chipsets.
783 [07:02:51] <random_numbers> somiaj: It would make trying to
make your own significantly less troublesome.
784 [07:02:52] <somiaj> random_numbers: correct, the driver
itself is open, but it needs to talk to non-free firmware in
conjection with the hardware.
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793 [07:05:56] <Sevak> hey guys, I'm having trouble with
jack audio. I get sound without the server running, but when I start
the server it stops all youtube videos and yoshimi doesn't make
a sound even though I see the meter go up. I'm on a Surface pro
4
794 [07:06:28] <Sevak> any help is greatly appreciated
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804 [07:12:41] <Sevak> this is a virtual machine btw
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820 [07:20:30] <mel00010> Do you have pulseaudio installed as
well?
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895 [08:24:54] <Aebian> heyho, can someone guide me what exactly
is wrong with this cron error?
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897 [08:26:06] <Aebian> the file in /etc/cron.daily/logrotate as
far as I see just runs a test -X command with logrotate
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900 [08:27:58] <mel00010> does this article help?
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911 [08:35:26] <Aebian> mel00010: hmm I guess yes, I'm gonna
try that, thanks
912 [08:35:49] <mel00010> happy to help
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931 [08:44:35] <navidr> I am running debian inside of my qemu
virtual machin, No matter what I do I cannot start networking to
work , what should I do ?
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945 [08:56:15] <navidr> I fixed it ;)
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948 [08:57:18] <Noise1> hi
949 [08:58:03] <likcoras> 55
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951 [08:58:48] <Noise1> does anyone here have any knowledge about
the Whonix OS?
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980 [09:12:05] <jelly> !whonix
981 [09:12:14] <dpkg> Whonix is a Linux distribution based on
Debian, distributed as two virtual machine images. It is not
supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>.
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1067 [10:01:19] <newbie123> Using Raspbian under raspberry pi 2 B+
... How to set resolution to 1920 by 1080 ?
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1069 [10:06:26] <bazhang> newbie123, #raspbian for that support
1070 [10:06:39] <newbie123> OKay
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1078 [10:11:35] <Lope> my laptop just did a hard restart (like
instant) while I was coding. Low CPU usage and it's on a
cooling pad so it could not have been overheat. It's plugged in
to power and the batt is fully charged. It's never done that
before. Any ideas?
1079 [10:11:37] <Lope> I've checked /var/log/lastlog but
it's filled with binary crap that's not human readable. Is
that some sort of systemd shit?
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1086 [10:13:47] <pikaro> hi! when I leave X with
ctrl+alt+backspace and log back in again, nothing happens - my
session doesn't start. ~/.xsession-errors and
/vr/log/Xorg.0.log have nothing relevant. why is this likely
happening? running sid, tested with i3 and compiz.
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1090 [10:14:35] <pikaro> suggestions for more appropriate log
files to look at would probably be enough
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1097 [10:17:40] <pikaro> oh and lightdm, sorry
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1099 [10:18:12] <bazhang> sid?
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1101 [10:18:29] <pikaro> yes
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1133 [10:34:52] <blackflow> Lope: no, 'man lastlog' for
more info about it. As for your problem, I've had things like
that happen with intel gfx drivers.
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1135 [10:35:20] <blackflow> Lope: you want 'journalctl',
or to see last few errors, journalctl -n -p err
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1155 [10:52:32] <Lope> blackflow: thanks for the info about last
log
1156 [10:52:34] <Lope> lastlog
1157 [10:53:04] <Lope> `journalctl -n -p err` Command not found.
1158 [10:53:08] <Lope> Running ubuntu 14.04
1159 [10:53:13] <Lope> on this system sorry.
1160 [10:54:14] <Lope> I forgot, I've got debian in some
places and ubuntu in others. I guess 14.04 is not fully systemd.
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1162 [10:54:38] <blackflow> ...
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1164 [10:55:15] <Lope> I checked the logs though, and there was
nothing at the time of the crash.
1165 [10:55:20] <blackflow> then check /var/log/messages, dmesg
and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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1167 [10:55:36] <Lope> Proobably a hardware problem. Maybe ram is
loose or something. I'll run a full memtest tonight.
1168 [10:55:41] <blackflow> and at this point, you should continue
ask in #ubuntu.
1169 [10:57:06] <Lope> thanks bud
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1277 [12:12:57] <rpd_> hi, I have an iptables firewall and I get
tons of logs from it and am looking for a tool with which I can do
custom analytics on the data, such as generating top talkers, geoip
distribution etc., is there any open source tool that will parse the
iptable logs and provide a query interface to make customizable
dashboards ?
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1279 [12:16:41] <p0g0__> rpd_: with some work, you may find
"shorewall" attractive, as the data source. It has no GUI
or dashboard, but is a good iptables manager and will make text
reports readily.
1280 [12:16:44] <CrazyTux> hello.. what are the pros and cons of
.deb packaging as compared to others like rpm etc?
1281 [12:17:09] <bazhang> CrazyTux, what do you mean advantages
1282 [12:17:52] <CrazyTux> bazhang, new to linux. I think I
couln't phrase my question properly?
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1284 [12:18:15] <CrazyTux> what are the differences between them?
1285 [12:19:00] <CrazyTux> why there is no single packaging system
across all the distros?
1286 [12:19:09] <bazhang> CrazyTux, is there more a 'want to
know' nothing to do with an installation type question, or an
actual issue you are having creating them
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1288 [12:19:15] <Shadur> In the debian-installer preseed.cfg, is
it possible to point at an authorized_keys file as opposed to an URL
for network installs?
1289 [12:19:49] <CrazyTux> bazhang, no actual issue.
1290 [12:20:17] <bazhang> CrazyTux, what actual issue, or did you
mean just want to chat about it
1291 [12:20:24] <rpd_> p0g0__: interesting will check it out
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1293 [12:20:27] <CrazyTux> I was curious if one is faster than the
other. or one is more efficient than the other.
1294 [12:20:44] <bazhang> CrazyTux, so just the chat one
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1297 [12:21:00] <CrazyTux> bazhang, I am new to linux. Just wanted
to know.
1298 [12:21:18] <bazhang> CrazyTux, what have you tried in both
system so far
1299 [12:21:50] <CrazyTux> I have tried distros like Debian and
Fedora/Korora..
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1302 [12:22:09] <bazhang> CrazyTux, I mean what packaging
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1305 [12:23:12] <CrazyTux> I am not a developer. Just an end user.
I saw that different distros use different packaging. Was just
curious to know why there is not a single packaging.
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1307 [12:23:52] <bazhang> CrazyTux, you dont need to be a
developer to learn packaging
1308 [12:24:00] <CrazyTux> ok
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1310 [12:24:17] <Lowl3v3l> CrazyTux: because the single best way
has yet to be found ( and would be difficult afaik, since e.g.
gentoo has a completely different goal than debian)
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1314 [12:24:49] <bazhang> CrazyTux, and there is no 'this is
more efficient thatn the other ' answer, as it depends on your
knowledge, what tools you are familiar with, the kind of thing only
you can answer
1315 [12:24:51] <p0g0__> well, and "branding"- a means
to differentiate your product from all the rest...
1316 [12:25:14] <bazhang> CrazyTux, so do some packaging for both
and then decide
1317 [12:25:41] <CrazyTux> bazhang, I'll learn it and try.
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1324 [12:28:04] <bazhang> CrazyTux, the debian wiki has a guide
for that, and I am sure the feodra/suse does as well
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1326 [12:29:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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1329 [12:29:13] <CrazyTux> ok
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1359 [12:38:33] <g0zzy> What's the best way to stop iptables
in Jessie?
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1361 [12:39:19] <Brigo> i have installed libreoffice-pdfimport, a
libreoffice-extension, but i can't see in in the extension
manager. Nothin in the readme, or in bugs, so, what i am doing
wrong? or can i check?
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1363 [12:40:15] <missmbob> g0zzy: sudo iptables -F
1364 [12:40:23] <blackflow> uhm
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1366 [12:40:40] <blackflow> be careful if you have policy DROP on
INPUT and this is over ssh
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1384 [12:50:54] <EyaA> deb
1385 [12:51:00] <EyaA> )
1386 [12:51:07] <EyaA> ian
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1390 [12:52:27] <g0zzy> missmbob: thanks. Was expecting now some
systemctl command
1391 [12:52:45] <missmbob> g0zzy: it's not a daemon.
it's a kernel thing
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1393 [12:53:12] <g0zzy> Ah OK. And thanks blackflow for the
warning
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1404 [12:56:53] <g0zzy> Thanks again folks
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1407 [12:56:58] <heller_> hey
1408 [12:57:07] <heller_> is there a simple console command to
test if smtp works?
1409 [12:57:29] <jolt> heller_:
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1410 [12:57:30] <missmbob> echo "test" |mail foo@foo.com
1411 [12:57:42] <jolt> missmbob: That was smarter!
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1454 [13:19:15] <jelly> !debian-next
1455 [13:19:15] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1479 [13:33:48] <enki> modulename -> kernel config name ?;
I've booted a livedvd; I want to make a custom kernel, with the
used modules baked in ! Is there an easy way to acomplish this ?
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1484 [13:35:45] <blackflow> enki: yes. use lspci (with -vv) to
list modules in use for the hardware, and also see lsmod. Then you
can search those names when you run menuconfig kernel configuration.
1485 [13:36:30] <blackflow> enki: question, tho'. why do you
want that?
1486 [13:37:09] <enki> blackflow: yeah doing it manualy is what i
wanted to avoid... :)
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1489 [13:37:38] <blackflow> enki: why do you want that anyway?
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1493 [13:39:18] <brenlae> anybody here get spotify working on
Debian Stretch?
1494 [13:39:18] <enki> blackflow: everything works fine with the
livedvd, but there are some non HW specific tweaks i need
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1497 [13:39:41] <blackflow> enki: like what? I'm asking
because there may be an easier way than rebuilding the kernel
1498 [13:40:09] <enki> blackflow: instead of generic i686 cpu, i
want pentiumM
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1500 [13:40:40] <enki> blackflow: well thats actually HW :)
1501 [13:41:08] <jelly> enki: did you see any measurable benefit
from running a custom kernel?
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1503 [13:41:48] <enki> cpufreq isnt working for some reason
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1505 [13:41:59] <enki> its stuck on the lowest speed
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1508 [13:42:24] <brenlae> nobody uses spotify on stretch? ok
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1511 [13:46:30] <blackflow> enki: do you even need it?
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1513 [13:47:21] <enki> blackflow: not really, its just a hobby
thing. Ive made a steampunk looking machine from an old laptop...
1514 [13:48:06] <brenlae> i have a queston - i am learning c++
currently, is there any resources for Linux libraries? like opengl
or gtk or what have you?
1515 [13:48:24] <blackflow> enki: are you a bot? :) every question
you've been asked you reply with something unrelated.
1516 [13:48:59] <enki> blackflow: shall we do a turing test ? no,
im not a bot ! :)
1517 [13:49:10] <brenlae> hehe
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1520 [13:49:57] <nuka-cola> lol
1521 [13:49:58] <blackflow> that's the first thing I'd
program the bot to say if asked "are you a bot" :)
1522 [13:50:33] <petn-randall> dpkg: are you a bot?
1523 [13:50:33] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a
finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot
(that you should not abuse).
1524 [13:50:40] <n4dir> lol
1525 [13:50:43] <petn-randall> :)
1526 [13:50:50] <blackflow> see? the proof is in the pudding.
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1528 [13:51:17] <BluesKaj> pudding bot
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1530 [13:51:33] <brenlae> later everyone :)
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1532 [13:52:10] <blackflow> enki: can you raed tihs? huamns can as
lnog as frist and lsat letter are the smae.
1533 [13:52:10] <petn-randall> Well, that's something a human
would say posing as a bot, right? I'm still convinced dpkg is
some dude living in the basement of his parents, eager to help
everyone in here who asks. Prove me otherwise. :)
1534 [13:52:38] <petn-randall> blackflow: As long as we talk with
captchas we should be safe.
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1536 [13:53:02] <blackflow> lol
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1542 [13:55:37] <enki> blackflow: Why do you say that ? ( is the
answer the emacs psychotherapis gave :)
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1609 [14:28:28] <biaszek> hi there. on a gateway vm i want to
filter forward traffic with forward iptables rules (no input, ouput,
nat or whatsoever) that rely on interface names like eth0, eth1.
while eth0 is the uplink interface and thus shall be accessible to
all other networks, the network behind the interface shall only to
be able to eth0, and not with other attached networks. so i tried to
set default policy accept for input and and output and forward on
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1612 [14:30:26] <plasmoduck> biaszek: #iptables
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1614 [14:30:57] <biaszek> then iptables -A FORWARD -i eth3 -o eth0
-j ACCEPT and iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -j ACCEPT. this does not
work. can anybody help?
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1631 [14:38:52] <jolt> biaszek: did you set ip forward in sysctl
as well?
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1633 [14:41:17] <biaszek> @jolt yes. net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
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1645 [14:47:53] <jolt> biaszek: Try the #iptables channel. But as
a hint, try and use tcpdump on the gw to see if the packets are a)
received on first interface, b) sent on second interface and c) if
they are received on the final destination. Also verify if traffic
from dest is received back on the gw, so there isnt any NATing that
is needed or something
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1649 [14:49:06] <biaszek> jolt: thank you. i 'll try.
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1652 [14:51:46] <sine0> folks, how can i force an update of a
particular software im running? Irssi has a security release but
when i update/upgrade the version is the same
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1655 [14:52:30] <Brigo> sine0, downloading it and installing with
dpkg?
1656 [14:52:31] <petn-randall> sine0: What does 'apt-cache
policy irssi' return? You can paste it on
replaced-url
1657 [14:53:28] <sine0>
replaced-url
1658 [14:53:51] <petn-randall> ,v irssi
1659 [14:53:52] <judd> Package: irssi on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.8.15-5; wheezy-security: 0.8.15-5+deb7u1; wheezy-backports:
0.8.17-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 0.8.17-1+deb8u1; jessie:
0.8.17-1+deb8u3; jessie-backports: 1.0.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.2-1;
sid: 1.0.2-1
1660 [14:54:22] <petn-randall> sine0: Even though you're not
running Debian (but rasbian), that is the current release in wheezy.
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1662 [14:54:56] <petn-randall> sine0: Do you have a CVE for the
security bug? It's likely patched in that version.
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1664 [14:55:29] <jelly> sine0: you're on raspbian, so if
there are any security patches available for that distro (kind of
unlikely, but possible), #raspbian channel ought to know about them
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1666 [14:55:51] <sine0> oh yea im sorry i forgot. my other boxes
are debian, but i run irssi on the pi...
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1668 [14:56:02] <sine0> i just assume debian all the time
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1670 [14:56:35] <jelly> if you have a r.pi 3 you can get actual
debian running on it
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1676 [14:57:45] <sine0> I was going to get one (probaly still
will) but i inhereted an i5 also on the home lan
1677 [14:58:02] <sine0> i guess i should let htat take over
1678 [14:58:15] <sine0> but the pi is good for WOL
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1681 [14:59:42] <teraflops> wake on lan?
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1688 [15:01:14] <jelly> wessel of linux
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1690 [15:02:21] <sine0> yea
1691 [15:02:30] <sine0> if i dont want the pure on all the time.
1692 [15:02:33] <sine0> pute
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1702 [15:07:00] <teraflops> til
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1704 [15:07:43] <teraflops> I run proper stock debian on a few
SBCs too
1705 [15:08:03] <teraflops> banana pis and odroids
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1742 [15:26:39] <dionysus69> is a linux kernel problem? CPU load
is 100% when I am copying two large files, I am downloading one from
network and downloading one from USB
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1746 [15:27:35] <julius> hi
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1749 [15:28:32] <julius> when doing: LANG='C'; cp
debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso /dev/sdc cp asks me if i
want to override /dev/sdc... according to this:
replaced-url
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1753 [15:29:10] <petemc> julius: in case you typed that by mistake
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1755 [15:29:24] <jhutchins_wk> julius: Well, you are going to
overwrite anything on that device.
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1765 [15:31:27] <psusi> does anyone know how to get in touch with
the admins of lists.alioth.debian.org? it stopped delivering mail to
me a few days ago ( even tried subscribing a new address ), and the
postman@ contact listed on the web site bounces with 550 prohibited
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1780 [15:38:08] <themill> psusi: do you mean mailman@ ?
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1782 [15:38:50] <psusi> themill, err, yea...
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1786 [15:39:09] <themill> psusi: there's a #alioth on
irc.oftc.net that can help
1787 [15:39:40] <jhutchins_wk> How does an email address give an
HTML response code?
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1790 [15:40:06] <psusi> jhutchins_wk: it doesn't.. it gives
an SMTP response code ;)
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1792 [15:40:11] <themill> it's an SMTP code (and it would be
HTTP not HTML)
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1821 [15:51:19] <Tarap> hello
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1824 [15:54:04] <Tarap> I use Debian since a long time and I begin
to understand how the package system works, but... I am confused
about one I am interested in : seq24
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1829 [15:54:37] <huwjr> anyone know of an LSI / broadcom iRC
channel?
1830 [15:54:52] <Stummi> Tarap, whats the problem?
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1833 [15:55:58] <Tarap> Hi. It is in the lists
replaced-url
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1835 [15:56:21] <Stummi> right
1836 [15:56:25] <Tarap> but apt says it is no more installable
1837 [15:56:38] <Tarap> So, I'm confused about its future ...
?
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1841 [15:57:56] <Stummi> Tarap,
replaced-url
1842 [15:57:59] <netman1> Hi All. Got a nice debian pxe netboot
install environment running with all bells and whistles but keep
running into partman. Is there a description of how to run the
parted-udeb scripted from the debian installer?
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1844 [15:58:14] <jelly> ,v seq24
1845 [15:58:15] <judd> Package: seq24 on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.2-2;
wheezy: 0.9.2-2; sid: 0.9.3-1
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1847 [15:58:29] <jelly> Tarap: which debian release are you using?
1848 [15:58:35] <Tarap> Ah, I'll look at this. Thanks.
1849 [15:58:47] <Stummi> Tarap, theres a "serious" bug
with seq24, which was not fixed. Thats why it was removed from
testing due to freezing
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1851 [15:59:16] <Tarap> I'm in stable.
1852 [15:59:51] <Stummi> it should be there in stable
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1856 [16:00:35] <Tarap> Oh sry, I'm in stretch
1857 [16:01:06] <Stummi> Tarap, as said, the package was removed
from stretch. You could pin it from unstable
1858 [16:01:08] <Tarap> (I did change it, I just tried unstable
and stable these days)
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1879 [16:06:31] <paul_grozav> Hello, does anyone know of a tool
something like multitail that keeps a tail -f on a regex path and
redirects all new lines to another file. I need the tool to be aware
of the newly created files that match that regex pattern. A simple
pattern like /var/log/*.log
1880 [16:06:43] <Tarap> My apologies, I was stupid. Thanks for the
replies.
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1894 [16:11:48] <greycat> What package/program do I need to mount
a Windows SMB share as a file system on Debian?
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1898 [16:12:53] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Samba Client.
1899 [16:12:56] <petemc> i have cifs-utils and smbclient on a
minimal install and it works
1900 [16:13:11] <jhutchins_wk> Might only need cifs-utils.
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1902 [16:13:36] <greycat> Ah, no wonder I couldn't find it
with "apt-cache search smb"
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1907 [16:14:51] <choice> Strange, I thought "stat
<filename>" would show the creation time. But it only
shows Access/Modify/Change.
1908 [16:15:09] <choice> What is the difference between Modify and
Change, and is there no way to see the creation time?
1909 [16:15:17] <greycat> Creation time is not one of the
traditionally stored values, but ext4 does store it. Secretly.
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1911 [16:15:39] <greycat> It's called "birth".
1912 [16:15:47] <choice> It says "Birth: -"
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1914 [16:16:08] <greycat> OK, then it's not stored in your
file system. Maybe I was wrong about ext4 having it.
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1916 [16:16:26] <jhutchins_wk> choice: The reason is that in many
modify operations a new copy of the file is written, so the
"birth"/creation time is unreliable.
1917 [16:16:27] <petemc> it should do, ive got it using debugfs
before
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1919 [16:16:39] <choice> I see.
1920 [16:16:57] <greycat> Traditional Unix file systems ONLY store
mtime, atime and ctime, NOT creation/birth time.
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1922 [16:18:21] <choice> mount say it's an ext4 filesyste
with noatime setting.
1923 [16:18:34] <jelly> !crtime
1924 [16:18:34] <dpkg> Some filesystems may store creation time
after all, even if POSIX APIs don't expose it. Ext4 does. E.g.,
to check how long ago your root filesystem root directory was
created: f="/"; dev=`df -P "$f"|tail -n1|awk
'{print $1}'`; i=`stat -c%i "$f"`; sudo debugfs
-R"stat <$i>" "$dev" 2>&1|grep
^crtime
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1926 [16:18:56] <jelly> easy peasy oneliner!
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1929 [16:20:13] <jelly> crtime: 0x55f99d2d:00000000 -- Wed Sep 16
18:47:41 2015
1930 [16:20:16] <paul_grozav> Anyone knows of a good log
monitoring tool that can watch newly created logs?
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1932 [16:21:14] <jhutchins_wk> paul_grozav: tail -f?
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1935 [16:22:03] <paul_grozav> jhutchins_wk: it only watches files
that exist when the program starts
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1938 [16:22:50] <paul_grozav> jhutchins_wk: I'm using
multitail now, that detects newly created files (created after
multitail started) but, it has other problems, can not redirect
content to another file
1939 [16:23:08] <greycat> What in the hell does "redirect
content to another file" mean?
1940 [16:23:44] <jan75> probably something like "cat x.txt
> y.txt"?
1941 [16:24:21] <greycat> If you mean "concatentate every
line written to every /var/log/* file to /secret/monsterlog"
then you are attacking the problem from the wrong direction.
1942 [16:24:32] <greycat> Reconfigure syslog instead.
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1951 [16:28:12] <paul_grozav> greycat: Yes, that's what I
mean, creating a monsterlog, except that will be a pipe, not
actually written to hdd. And the logs are generated by a custom app,
I don't know if syslog can manage that
1952 [16:28:45] <greycat> Reconfigure syslog to send a copy of all
log messages to your remote monster-logging host.
1953 [16:28:55] <paul_grozav> greycat: What approach do you think
would fit best?
1954 [16:29:05] <jhutchins_wk> paul_grozav: rsyslog
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1956 [16:29:09] <greycat> Does your custom app call syslog() at
all?
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1958 [16:29:16] <paul_grozav> greycat: no
1959 [16:29:25] <paul_grozav> greycat: it does not call syslog()
1960 [16:29:33] <greycat> Then you'll have to figure out what
it *does*, and work around that.
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1967 [16:31:43] <paul_grozav> greycat: The log generator (server)
will create a folder with timestamp name when it starts. Then, for
each client will create a new file client00.log client01.log, ...
That's the way the logs are created. So would like a stream of
data written to any client log that is not sensitive to server
restart
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1972 [16:32:49] <petn-randall> paul_grozav: Which application is
that?
1973 [16:33:03] <paul_grozav> petn-randall: custom one, written by
me :-)
1974 [16:33:23] <greycat> Then you can change it to *also* call
syslog() whenever it writes a log message.
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1978 [16:34:49] <paul_grozav> greycat: I am willing to migrate
from the custom logging mechanism to syslog. But is there a way to
log through syslog and group all messages per client file, and all
client files per session folder ?
1979 [16:35:16] <greycat> systelog has "facility" and
"level". man 3 syslog
1980 [16:35:17] <paul_grozav> greycat: or should I keep both
logging mechanisms, and log all messages twice to the hdd
1981 [16:35:48] <greycat> I did say "*also*"
1982 [16:36:04] <petn-randall> I'd also go with syslog when
possible, and log to the local0 to local7 facitlities.
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1985 [16:36:21] <greycat> A message sent to a customized syslog
facility+level can be configured in *syslog.conf to go to a named
pipe, or to a remote host socket, etc.
1986 [16:37:08] <jelly> petn-randall: both rsyslog and syslog-ng
can be configured to automagically create a different log file per
host
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1991 [16:37:37] <greycat> I assume that means "when receiving
messages from a client host over a socket"
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1997 [16:40:18] <paul_grozav> greycat: Thanks, you gave me
something to study: syslog. Is there any other approach (without
changing the code) ?
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2001 [16:41:33] <petn-randall> You could call the
'logger' executable, but that's only a hack I'd
use if you can't easily change the code.
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2008 [16:42:21] <greycat> Generally you should only use logger(1)
if your application is a shell script that can't call syslog(3)
any other way.
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2011 [16:42:58] <greycat> The only other rational approach is to
have your application send all log output to stderr or stdout, and
have a separate program handle it from there.
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2014 [16:43:42] <petn-randall> I used it for apache2 since I
don't want to fork it and it doesn't allow to send the
CustomLog to syslog :/.
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2019 [16:44:33] <paul_grozav> OK, thank you. I'll try to
write a simple program with syslog and play with it for a day or two
and then maybe I'll come back if I have other questions. Thank
you !
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2049 [16:56:20] <jasonwc> I'm seeing a weird issue. I
recently installed a Mellanox 10Gbe SFP+ NIC (Mellanox Technologies
MT26448 [ConnectX EN 10GigE, PCIe 2.0 5GT/s] (rev b0)). The NIC
works fine after startup with a manually assigned IP (I am using
this for a point-to-point link between two servers without a
switch). However, when I resume my server from standby, the 10Gbit
ethernet NIC shows its static IP but the
2050 [16:56:20] <jasonwc> connection light is off and attempting
to ping the other end fails. ATtempting to do "ifdown
eth2" appears to kill the SSH connection (and I can't log
back in - even through the regular Gigabit NIC. I don't know
where it's killing the SSH daemon or crashing the machine as
there is no physical monitor/keyboard attached.
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2075 [17:07:21] <mete> anyone know when stretch will become
stable?
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2077 [17:07:29] <greycat> when the RC bug count hits 0
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2080 [17:08:22] <mete> ok, then it will take a while :D
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2085 [17:09:10] <jasonwc> greycat: I recall reading that Jessie
released with 80 RC bugs
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2094 [17:10:36] <n0nada> Hey guys, Im trying to do a netinst with
a USB. I created the bootable USB with Rufus. But I get the error
"There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make
sure it is in the drive. "
2095 [17:10:40] <huwjr> New server with an LSI 3008 controller, if
I can detect disks during the initial install of debian does that
indicate that my raid controller is supports JBOD?
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2098 [17:11:07] <huwjr> setup raid 1 as an md raid but it’s
not booting
2099 [17:11:12] <huwjr> not sure wtf is up
2100 [17:11:47] <nkuttler> n0nada: do you get when booting the
installer?
2101 [17:12:05] <n0nada> I get it after choosing language etc
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2103 [17:12:30] <mete> n0nada: have you checked the hash of the
downloaded iso?
2104 [17:12:40] <nkuttler> n0nada: sounds like your image is
corrupt
2105 [17:12:51] <themill> !rufus
2106 [17:12:51] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use
with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and
unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about
<hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
2107 [17:12:53] <nkuttler> either download or usb stick is faulty
2108 [17:12:56] <FreddyP> or the image did not copy to your stick
correctly
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2110 [17:13:08] <n0nada> I have downloaded it twice and
re-installed it several times to the usb
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2112 [17:13:39] <mete> that's why I mount iso files through
ipmi :D
2113 [17:13:43] <nkuttler> n0nada: then i'd bet on the usb.
but it could also be the usb controller, cable or something i guess
2114 [17:14:09] <FreddyP> as dpkg pointed out rufus is buggy
software
2115 [17:14:46] <BluesKaj> n0nada, do you have usb set to boot
first in the boot sequence in the uefi/bios
2116 [17:15:04] <nkuttler> BluesKaj: the installer boots just fine
2117 [17:15:05] <n0nada> BluesKaj: Yes
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2120 [17:16:08] <BluesKaj> oj,missed that part
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2125 [17:18:08] <n0nada> Ill test another stick, thanks!
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2127 [17:18:20] <BluesKaj> yeah rufus worked for kubuntu, dunno
why it won't for debian, I know unetbootin is mostly hopeless
2128 [17:18:28] <nkuttler> n0nada: and stop using this rufus thing
2129 [17:18:47] <n0nada> nkuttler: What should i use?
2130 [17:19:05] <nkuttler> n0nada: no idea, haven't used
windows since 2k
2131 [17:19:14] <n0nada> i have used Rufus many times before
without any issues
2132 [17:19:20] <themill> what dpkg said
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2134 [17:19:40] <BluesKaj> nkuttler, don't think he has much
choice unless he can use a livecd
2135 [17:19:49] <nkuttler> <hybrid images>, <usb
install>, <win32diskimager>
2136 [17:19:56] <nkuttler> !win32diskimager
2137 [17:19:57] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
2138 [17:20:04] <n0nada> win32diskimager does not take iso
2139 [17:20:09] <n0nada> only .ING
2140 [17:20:15] <n0nada> .IMG *
2141 [17:20:16] <nkuttler> ^^read
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2143 [17:20:39] <themill> "img" is meaningless
2144 [17:21:18] <BluesKaj> n0nada, read the dpkg post
2145 [17:21:37] <n0nada> Ok, great!
2146 [17:21:38] <n0nada> Will do!
2147 [17:21:39] <n0nada> thansk!
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2153 [17:23:17] <bhuvi> !nextcloud
2154 [17:23:17] <dpkg> hmm... nextcloud is a fork of owncloud.
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2160 [17:24:17] <huwjr> any suggests for getting an LSI 3008
working with debian plx?
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2170 [17:25:24] <plasmoduck> Im currently using the nvidia-driver
proprietry
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2172 [17:25:48] <plasmoduck> But I'd like to reinstall it to
ensure I'm getting the most recent driver version. How can I do
this?
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2176 [17:26:29] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: how did you install it?
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2183 [17:28:43] <plasmoduck> apt install nvidia-driver
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2187 [17:29:58] <plasmoduck> system is using driver version
340.101 but the nvidia site has version 375.39
2188 [17:30:00] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: reinstalling won't
give you a new version, unless the package was upgraded
2189 [17:30:04] <nkuttler> ,v nvidia-driver
2190 [17:30:05] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 --
jessie/non-free: 340.101-1; wheezy-backports/non-free:
340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie-proposed-updates/non-free: 340.102-1;
jessie-backports/non-free: 375.39-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free:
375.39-1; sid/non-free: 375.39-1
2191 [17:30:06] <plasmoduck> so I'm a bit behind
2192 [17:30:24] <nkuttler> !tell plasmoduck about backports
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2194 [17:30:30] <BluesKaj> plasmoduck, install dkms , then
nvidia-detect , then run nvidia-detect
2195 [17:30:30] <plasmoduck> Okay, well I'd like to remove
the debian packages and install the binary driver myself
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2197 [17:30:58] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: no, use the backport
2198 [17:31:06] <greycat> You really would not "like"
that.
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2200 [17:31:30] <plasmoduck> nkuttler: I already have in my
sources.list deb
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2202 [17:31:44] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: so you real question is how
to install it?
2203 [17:31:47] <greycat> So install the package from
jessie-backports.
2204 [17:31:49] <plasmoduck> yes
2205 [17:31:53] <plasmoduck> How?
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2207 [17:31:59] <greycat> !jessie-backports
2208 [17:32:00] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian
9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found
in the "jessie-backports" repository. See
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2210 [17:32:09] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: apt-get install with -t
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2212 [17:32:35] <plasmoduck> The value 'nvidia-driver'
is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not
available in the sources
2213 [17:32:46] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: yeah, that's not a
release
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2215 [17:33:03] <plasmoduck> huh?
2216 [17:33:05] <nkuttler> you need a release, like sid, testing,
or jessie-backports
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2219 [17:33:08] <BluesKaj> ok too many cooks , even tho my method
worked perfectly
2220 [17:33:12] <nkuttler> see man apt-get
2221 [17:33:21] <nkuttler> BluesKaj: no
2222 [17:33:37] <BluesKaj> for me it dd
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2224 [17:33:46] <nkuttler> yeah, you have other requirements
2225 [17:33:47] <BluesKaj> did rather
2226 [17:34:13] <BluesKaj> doesn't work on jessie?
2227 [17:34:18] <plasmoduck> I know how to use apt get
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2229 [17:34:51] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: yet you are asking how to
use it
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2231 [17:35:42] <plasmoduck> well what am I missing on my
backports line in sources.list
2232 [17:35:44] <plasmoduck> thats all
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2234 [17:36:15] <plasmoduck> This is the line I have
2235 [17:36:16] <plasmoduck> # jessie-backports
2236 [17:36:16] <plasmoduck> deb
replaced-url
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2238 [17:36:28] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: contrib non-free
2239 [17:36:44] <plasmoduck> cjg@ataraxia:~$ sudo apt install -t
jessie nvidia-driver
2240 [17:36:53] <plasmoduck> Reading state information... Done
2241 [17:36:53] <plasmoduck> nvidia-driver is already the newest
version.
2242 [17:36:53] <plasmoduck> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to
remove and 0 not upgraded.
2243 [17:37:04] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: you don't want jessie
but jessie-backports
2244 [17:37:05] <themill> good thing you already know how to use
apt-get.
2245 [17:37:06] <mtn> heh
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2247 [17:37:26] <nkuttler> this will be fun if the backported
driver breaks on your system..
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2250 [17:37:54] <plasmoduck> I just want to play The Shadow Of
Mordor
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2252 [17:38:04] <plasmoduck> but it says my video card is not
supported
2253 [17:38:15] <plasmoduck> but people are playing it in windows
with dx11
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2255 [17:38:23] <plasmoduck> and people on linux
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2257 [17:38:31] <plasmoduck> so im guessing its the driver version
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2259 [17:38:52] <plasmoduck> people on ubuntu can play it
2260 [17:39:00] <nkuttler> plasmoduck: just install the driver
already
2261 [17:39:07] <plasmoduck> so what is the line I need to install
it?
2262 [17:39:22] <plasmoduck> apt install -t jessie-backports
nvidia-driver ?
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2264 [17:39:35] <themill> plasmoduck: have you fixed your
sources.list?
2265 [17:39:53] <plasmoduck> I think so themill
2266 [17:40:03] <BluesKaj> plasmoduck, sudo apt update, then sudo
apt install nvidia-375
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2269 [17:40:18] <plasmoduck> I have: deb
replaced-url
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2272 [17:40:52] <themill> BluesKaj: please stop giving incorrect
information...
2273 [17:41:07] <themill> this is already so much harder than it
needs to be
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2275 [17:41:17] <plasmoduck> I just need the command to install a
backport app
2276 [17:41:34] <plasmoduck> I know for normal it is just [apt
install appname'
2277 [17:41:36] <BluesKaj> nkuttler, now I see that nvidia-detect
is strictly for the 340 driver
2278 [17:41:46] <themill> plasmoduck: good thing you've been
given that answer several times already, then
2279 [17:42:08] <plasmoduck> I was just told apt -t appname
2280 [17:42:14] <themill> no you weren't
2281 [17:42:25] <BluesKaj> themill, then what's the command
then?
2282 [17:42:40] <themill> BluesKaj: it's always better to try
installing packages that exist
2283 [17:42:44] <plasmoduck> WHAT is the command please? No
riddles
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2285 [17:43:06] <BluesKaj> ok , i give up
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2289 [17:43:36] <plasmoduck> me too
2290 [17:43:38] <greycat> 11:32 dpkg> [...]
replaced-url
2291 [17:43:50] <plasmoduck> im just gonna use the binary
2292 [17:43:54] <plasmoduck> that worked for me last time
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2296 [17:45:50] <BluesKaj> plasmoduck, did you add the backports
to your soureces.list ?
2297 [17:46:00] <BluesKaj> sources even
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2302 [17:46:34] <plasmoduck> yes
2303 [17:47:00] <BluesKaj> ok then read greycat's post above
2304 [17:47:00] <plasmoduck> It's ok, I figure it out... Be
back later
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2313 [17:50:08] * BluesKaj is puzzled by the attitude here sometimes,
it's not informative and overly critical at the same time, a
support is supposed to try to help
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2316 [17:51:24] <greycat> BluesKaj: he was given the URL with the
instructions. He gave us a wrong command and nkuttler told him what
to change to make it correct. What else are we supposed to do?
2317 [17:51:42] <greycat> RETYPE the ENTIRE command for him with
the change in it? That's spoon feeding.
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2326 [17:55:41] <lxleuser> hi
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2328 [17:56:00] <lxleuser> #flood
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2332 [17:57:11] <petn-randall> #lowtide
2333 [17:57:38] <BluesKaj> how am I supposed to know what is wrong
with the information if ppl here don't bother to explain why
it's differnt than what I'm used to, instead just saying
"it's wrong"
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2335 [17:58:09] <lxleuser> yes
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2337 [17:58:18] <BluesKaj> I guess that's considered spoon
feed ing too
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2342 [17:59:49] <jhutchins_wk> BluesKaj: With backports, for
instance, if they are asking "what's the command",
they haven't read the instructions on the backports page.
Giving them the commands means they won't, and they're
likely to have more problems.
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2349 [18:02:45] <themill> BluesKaj: I'm not sure what else I
can say other than you're telling someone to install a package
that doesn't exist.
2350 [18:02:54] <BluesKaj> jhutchins_wk, I get that, i was
referring my info being wrong without any explanation as to what is
correct
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2352 [18:04:31] <BluesKaj> after all i don't want to give
wrong info that's for sure.
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2355 [18:04:36] <jhutchins_wk> BluesKaj: Yeah, that's
annoying.
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2360 [18:06:04] <jhutchins_wk> BluesKaj: Then again, if correcting
your answer would mean that the user would avoid the correct
process, that wouldn't be good.
2361 [18:06:17] <BluesKaj> I still have somelearning to do about
debian...spent too many yrs on kubuntu so maybe i need to watcch and
read more
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2365 [18:07:46] <jhutchins_wk> I've worked with many releases
of several distributions and spend a lot of time on RH, so I'm
sometimes a bit off.
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2371 [18:11:20] <rohit> hey guys, I need libtasn1.so.3, can you
please tell me the package to install
2372 [18:11:31] <greycat> ,file libtasn1.so.3
2373 [18:11:34] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with
that file.
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2377 [18:12:03] <greycat> ,file libtasn1.so.3 --release stretch
2378 [18:12:08] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
2379 [18:12:10] <themill> libtasn1-3 in wheezy
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2382 [18:12:51] <themill> rohit: that sounds like you have a
package that isn't designed for your release of Debian.
2383 [18:13:10] <greycat> Or he has a compiled binary program, not
a package.
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2385 [18:13:38] <themill> indeed; one that isn't designed for
that release of Debian.
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2393 [18:16:18] <jhutchins_wk> Does anybody know of a script that
will parse Apache 2.2 config files for changes needed for 2.4?
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2405 [18:23:04] <kalipso> hey guys, setting up a router with
debian jessie and get error while installing vim: "these pakets
cant be authenticated "vim-runtime vim ..""
2406 [18:23:31] <kalipso> is this depending on the mirror i use or
a general?
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2409 [18:25:48] <Poster> check your system time
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2430 [18:36:20] <BluesKaj> bummer, my vpn is banned from debian
package sites , annoying to say the least
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2437 [18:40:03] <rohit> guys what is the package for vnc viewer ?
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2444 [18:43:31] <blackflow> rohit: remmina is nice
2445 [18:43:44] <alekz> rohit:
replaced-url
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2451 [18:46:01] <teraflops> blackflow: remmina is a wrapper, you
still need *vnc installed
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2458 [18:48:43] <Iridos> are you sure? package description
suggests otherwise
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2460 [18:49:22] <rohit> thank you so much for you help guys, Can
you please tell me the package for libgnutls.so.26
2461 [18:50:04] <towo`> remina only needs remmina-plugin-vnc for
vnc
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2463 [18:50:11] <towo`> *remmina
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2465 [18:50:29] <Iridos> dpkg, apt-file
2466 [18:50:29] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which
package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it
is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file &&
apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to
see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular
expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me
about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>,
<dlocate>.
2467 [18:50:58] <Iridos> rohit, ^^ install that and you'll be
able to answer all the questions of this type in the future
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2473 [18:51:55] <rohit> @Iridos I tried apt-file, it says command
not found
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2476 [18:52:40] <teraflops> yeah it _only_ needs
remmina-plugin-vnc
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2478 [18:52:49] <Iridos> well… I said "install
that" the factoid tells you to install it… I fear I
cannot help you ^^
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2495 [19:00:29] <Iridos> judd, find find libgnutls.so*
2496 [19:00:32] <judd> Search for find in jessie/amd64:
[truncated] ecryptfs-utils: usr/bin/ecryptfs-find; emboss:
usr/bin/epestfind; hugin-tools: usr/bin/cpfind, usr/bin/icpfind;
gridsite-clients: usr/bin/htfind; python-ceres:
usr/bin/ceres-tree-find; aeskeyfind: usr/bin/aeskeyfind; gnat-4.9:
usr/bin/gnatfind; strigi-utils: usr/bin/deepfind; ocaml-findlib:
etc/bash_completion.d/ocamlfind; dawgdic-tools:
2497 [19:00:33] <judd> usr/bin/dawgdic-find; aegis:
usr/bin/aefind; sleuthkit: usr/bin/ffind, usr/bin/hfind,
usr/bin/ifind; freefoam: usr/bin/freefoam-surfaceFind; findutils:
usr/bin/find; hyperestraier: usr/bin/estwolefind; vtk-dicom-tools:
usr/bin/dicomfind; gstreamer-tools: usr/bin/gst-typefind
2498 [19:00:40] <Iridos> oops
2499 [19:00:45] <Iridos> judd, find libgnutls.so*
2500 [19:00:49] <judd> Search for libgnutls.so* in jessie/amd64:
libgnutls28-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so
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2567 [19:20:57] <jelly> rohit: which debian release are you using?
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2570 [19:21:20] <jelly> judd: file libgnutls.so.26 --release
jessie
2571 [19:21:40] <judd> No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with
that file.
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2573 [19:21:46] <jelly> judd: file libgnutls.so.26 --release
wheezy
2574 [19:21:49] <judd> Search for libgnutls.so.26 in wheezy/amd64:
libgnutls26: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.26
2575 [19:21:58] <uxfi> what is a good IMap server to use for
debian?
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2577 [19:22:07] <rohit> @jelly debian-8.7.1-amd64
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2579 [19:22:11] <jelly> uxfi: dovecot is okay
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2582 [19:22:30] <uxfi> ok jelly sweet
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2584 [19:22:41] <jelly> rohit: that does not exist in debian 8 any
more. Last build with that soname was for Debian 7
2585 [19:23:19] <jelly> if you need it you'll have to add
back wheezy repos.
2586 [19:23:29] <rohit> how do I do that?
2587 [19:23:40] <jelly> dpkg, tell rohit about wheezy sources.list
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2589 [19:24:06] <jelly> stricly add those, do not remove any
jessie repos.
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2594 [19:25:59] <uxfi> jelly; is dovecot hard to set up?
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2599 [19:26:18] <greycat> If you use a vanilla MTA setup, it
shouldn't be.
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2601 [19:26:45] <greycat> If you're one of these crazy
"Hey I know, I'll do user authentication with a MySQL
database" people, then... uh...
2602 [19:26:59] <greycat> (and it's always MySQL, too)
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2605 [19:27:37] <jelly> uxfi: it can be as hard and as featureful
as you want it to be
2606 [19:27:59] <jelly> greycat: not really, sometimes it's
Active Directory
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2608 [19:28:12] <uxfi> jelly; all I want to be able to do is
access my email usign a IMA P GUI cleint
2609 [19:28:20] <uxfi> so I dont plan to use all tis features I
guess
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2612 [19:28:53] <jelly> then install dovecot-imapd and use your
unix account and your /var/mail/username inbox
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2614 [19:28:58] <greycat> What matters is how your
username/password get validated, and where your mailboxes are, and
in what format.
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2616 [19:29:35] <jelly> and if it's on public internet, make
very very sure all the users have complex enough passwords
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2618 [19:29:47] <uxfi> jelly; no its jsut for me
2619 [19:29:56] <uxfi> my mailbxo is on my computer
2620 [19:30:12] <greycat> Should be pretty easy, then.
2621 [19:30:16] <uxfi> /var/mail
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2623 [19:30:17] <uxfi> yeah
2624 [19:30:23] <uxfi> typcial directory I believe
2625 [19:30:33] <uxfi> i'll try it out later when i'm
more awake
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2628 [19:30:55] <jelly> they have a channel here on freenode and a
nice wiki.
2629 [19:31:02] <uxfi> oh ok
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2632 [19:31:14] <uxfi> greycat; so you were referring to jsut
isntalling dovcecot-imapd?
2633 [19:31:20] <uxfi> and then entering my authetntfication ifno?
2634 [19:31:24] <greycat> I mean the entire thing,
installation/configuration.
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2636 [19:31:36] <uxfi> Alright
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2644 [19:32:31] <uxfi> greycat;
replaced-url
2645 [19:32:33] <uxfi> like this?
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2648 [19:33:23] <jelly> uxfi: some of that is pre-set on Debian.
2649 [19:34:12] <jelly> and that page says as much
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2651 [19:34:43] <uxfi> jelly: hm but I should be ok if I use that
guide ?
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2653 [19:34:49] <jelly> it's not a guide.
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2656 [19:35:14] <uxfi> Alright where a proper guide
2657 [19:35:37] <jelly> don't use a guide. Read the actual
docs instead.
2658 [19:35:49] <ebol4> I've got two servers with the latest
version of exim4, which added the add_environment/keep_environment
warnings
2659 [19:36:04] <ebol4> both servers keep those variables blank,
since i don't need to set any sort of env stuff
2660 [19:36:17] <ForceRecon> hello all.. where is the basic debian
channel.. need to get in on the ground floor
2661 [19:36:19] <ebol4> but one server gives me that
"Warning: purging the environment" thing every day
2662 [19:36:22] <jelly> uxfi: if you read that page, you'll
realize it tells you where your config is, and you'll find out
things are already set up
2663 [19:36:58] <uxfi> Alright
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2665 [19:37:25] <uxfi> jelly: I'll check it out then
2666 [19:37:42] <ebol4> ForceRecon: wot u need to know my boy
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2668 [19:38:02] <plasmoduck> in widnows in the nvidia-settings I
can select my second gpu to use as didicated physx
2669 [19:38:06] <plasmoduck> How can I do the same in linux?
2670 [19:38:11] <greycat> This is as basic as it gets.
2671 [19:38:13] <plasmoduck> why can't I see the option?
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2673 [19:38:39] <greycat> plasmoduck: sounds like a question for
#nvidia
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2675 [19:39:09] <ebol4> plasmoduck: to the best of my knowledge,
there is no option for this because there's never been demand
for it
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2678 [19:39:23] <ebol4> since hardly any linux games can make use
of a dedicated physx card
2679 [19:39:42] <plasmoduck> Nvidia should have put it in anyways
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2683 [19:40:15] <plasmoduck> Okay well second question. How do I
enable stereo vision across my 3 monitors?
2684 [19:40:59] <ForceRecon> ebol4: thanks for response.. I want
to try out debian on my laptop... dvd live.. if possible.. need a
download like.. getting tired of all the attitude over at
linuxmint.. figured I would try debian as it seems to the be OS of
choice to learn on
2685 [19:41:23] <greycat> Don't try to install from a Debian
Live image. They have problems.
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2688 [19:41:37] <greycat> !netinst
2689 [19:41:37] <dpkg> i guess netinst is a small CD image with
which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process
you have a working Internet connection, you can install more
packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and
more packages later. See
replaced-url
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2692 [19:42:16] <ForceRecon> Is it a problem that I have linuxmint
installed on that LAptop now? I just want to see if I can HANDLE
Debian without an install
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2694 [19:42:59] <ForceRecon>
replaced-url
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2696 [19:43:52] <ebol4> ForceRecon: nope, when you boot a live CD,
everything gets loaded into RAM, so it's completely independent
of whatever is currently on your hard drifve
2697 [19:43:54] <greycat> If it's a super recent laptop, you
may need to use the "stretch" (testing) installer. If you
want to use wifi during the install, you may need an image with
nonfree firmware included.
2698 [19:44:39] <ForceRecon> Since you people are the pros on
linux.. where should I start and with what? Debian Live CD with
INternet and option to install over linux mint if I love it
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2700 [19:44:44] <uxfi> greycat; it it says it cant find a dovecot
configuration file i jsut do as you said "aptitude install
dovecot-imap" rigt?
2701 [19:44:49] <ForceRecon> would make for a good link on the
website
2702 [19:44:49] <uxfi> and hi ForceRecon
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2706 [19:45:11] <greycat> uxfi: I would listen to jelly. He seems
to be more familiar with this specific set of packages than I am.
2707 [19:45:19] <plasmoduck> How do I enable stereo vision across
my 3 monitors? So my games span across all 3 monitors?
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2709 [19:45:36] <plasmoduck> I've paid a lot of money for
this setup and would like to put it to use
2710 [19:45:38] <greycat> plasmoduck: again, I would suggest
#nvidia
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2713 [19:45:52] <plasmoduck> But im using debian
2714 [19:45:55] <uxfi> ok
2715 [19:45:55] <ebol4> ForceRecon: everyone is going to have a
different opinion on that. I personally like xubuntu for regular use
2716 [19:46:01] <uxfi> jelly; I'll try reading the docs
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2719 [19:46:46] <greycat> ForceRecon: The Debian Live images have
fallen into disrepair, due to a lack of developer time to commit to
them. They are really *not* recommended for installation.
2720 [19:46:59] <ebol4> plasmoduck: it's going to be the same
whether you're using debian, centos, or whatever, since
it's an nvidia issue
2721 [19:47:19] <uxfi> greycat; i found another nice guide that
belnds the doceumentation together so I'll read that too
2722 [19:47:20] <uxfi> blends
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2724 [19:47:42] <ForceRecon> greycat: wow.. that is tough... but I
hear ya..
2725 [19:47:58] <ForceRecon> commit without any visual..
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2727 [19:48:15] <ForceRecon> hmmmm... is debian really good for
the beginner?
2728 [19:48:26] <ForceRecon> or should I be looking elsewhere
2729 [19:48:31] <jelly> plasmoduck: realize that nvidia drivers
are not part of debian, their packages are only present in non-free.
There will be limited support in here for those, while #nvidia is
presumably full of people that deal with those drivers on a daily
basis
2730 [19:48:48] <ebol4> ForceRecon: i think debian-based stuff is
good for beginners, but ubuntu is probably best there (ubuntu is
debian-based)
2731 [19:48:53] <greycat> ForceRecon: if you want to learn how the
system works, and don't need a lot of hand-holding and fancy
bells and whistles, then it's fine.
2732 [19:48:58] <ForceRecon> Those people running linuxmint are
really miserable people.. a real turn off..
2733 [19:49:04] <ebol4> hahahahaha
2734 [19:49:50] <ebol4> Xubuntu has a pretty nice live CD,
that's my personal recommendation
2735 [19:49:51] <greycat> The people who prefer Debian tend to be
the people who like things that "just work", that are not
bleeding edge, that are not "the latest and greatest".
2736 [19:49:53] <jelly> mint is very pretty, perhaps you'd
have a better experience if you choose to pay for their support
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2738 [19:50:04] <ebol4> i run debian on all my servers because it
Just Werks
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2741 [19:51:01] <greycat> If you're someone who thinks
"I need to install PHP7 because 7 is so much greater than
5" then Debian may not be for you.
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2744 [19:51:14] <plasmoduck> jelly: roger that
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2748 [19:51:40] <ForceRecon> I am sorry for the delay.. I am
sitting here thinking about how much I really have linux-mint help,
like you are suppose to know everything already.. They should just
put a bot on that says please google everything before asking a
question
2749 [19:51:51] <ForceRecon> then I think about how I do like the
interface..
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2751 [19:52:16] <greycat> You *should* google things before asking
in IRC, in any channel.
2752 [19:52:16] <ForceRecon> and so far no one here has been a
pain in my ass about my lack of knowledge
2753 [19:52:24] <greycat> Or at least read the channel's
/topic.
2754 [19:52:36] <ForceRecon> I am on the edge.. I research
everything I can before I ask.. that's a given
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2757 [19:52:56] <ebol4> ForceRecon: Linux Mint uses Cinnamon for
its desktop environment if i remember correctly. you can download
that in Debian or ubuntu or whatever else you'd like to use
2758 [19:52:59] <ForceRecon> maybe I am just looking for a better
community..
2759 [19:53:09] <alekz> maybe
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2762 [19:53:31] <alekz> but Debian's community will teach you
how to dig in and be your own teacher
2763 [19:54:10] <dionysus69> is there a small app for
administering nginx? like restart and root location setter?
2764 [19:54:24] <dionysus69> something like xamp for debian though
2765 [19:54:28] <greycat> does vim count as an app?
2766 [19:54:35] <dionysus69> lol
2767 [19:54:39] <alekz> lol
2768 [19:54:48] <dionysus69> I am looking for something faster
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2771 [19:55:51] <jelly> copy pasting a vhost template definition
and editing two strings can be pretty damn fast with vim
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2773 [19:56:56] <ForceRecon> ebol4: problem is that I have no idea
what to do.. The command line is okay.. I am not sure who wrote VI
but the process to type is just silly..
2774 [19:57:07] <greycat> Then use whatever editor you prefer.
2775 [19:57:13] <jelly> automating further is probably not worth
the trouble unless one has daily changes
2776 [19:57:35] <greycat> I can't imagine why you'd have
frequent changes to your web server config.
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2778 [19:57:52] <jelly> then you've never worked in a web
hosting shop, greycat
2779 [19:58:02] <dionysus69> xamp is used in dev env
2780 [19:58:15] <ebol4> ForceRecon: nano is probably the easiest
text editor, it's what I use for most things
2781 [19:58:15] <ForceRecon> you go as you lear.. I understand..
but I undestand how to install things.. just not sure where anything
is written , how t check if it is running, how to fix it if its not?
How to auto start something, hwo to even remove it..
2782 [19:58:20] <dionysus69> i might want to change root every 10
minutes depending on my project
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2784 [19:58:43] <jelly> dionysus69: or create two dozen vhosts and
keep them.
2785 [19:58:43] <greycat> ForceRecon: we can answer these
questions, but you need to slow down. One at a time.
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2787 [19:59:08] <ForceRecon> oh certainly.. just overwhelmed..
2788 [19:59:16] <dionysus69> jelly: you mean
sites-available/***files.conf?
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2790 [19:59:37] <jelly> yes
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2793 [19:59:50] <ForceRecon> I need like a 6 week handholding
video of everything you need to learn linux..
2794 [19:59:56] <dionysus69> hmm well ye that makes sense xD i
just downloadded something to test for
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2796 [20:00:38] <jelly> ForceRecon: there's a book covering
most common admin tasks like those mentioned
2797 [20:00:42] <jelly> !debian-handbook
2798 [20:00:42] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is
at
replaced-url
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2803 [20:02:22] <ForceRecon>
replaced-url
2804 [20:02:28] <ForceRecon> I will buy it and read it
2805 [20:02:33] <ForceRecon> hope that helps. thanks
2806 [20:02:43] <ueses_> .
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2813 [20:05:58] <ForceRecon> I bought the book.. thanks gonna read
it tonight
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2815 [20:07:08] <jelly> buxy will be happy
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2819 [20:10:33] <ForceRecon> I decided today to install x11vnc to
access my linux machine from windows.. did the install.. have no
clue if it worked, found a few commands that seem to have gotten it
to work as I am accessing it now.. I folowed this
replaced-url
2820 [20:10:34] <ForceRecon> bit more confident.. thanks for the
support and help
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2827 [20:11:58] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Good luck. It feels a
lot better when you understand what's going on instead of just
trusting commands from a guide or an irc channel.
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2848 [20:23:20] <simpledat> What should I use? virtualbox vs kvm?
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2850 [20:23:39] <mefistofeles> simpledat: depends, what do you
want to accomplish?
2851 [20:23:42] <towo`> depends on your needs and skills
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2854 [20:24:48] <simpledat> try different distros, i prefer gui
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2856 [20:25:19] <mefistofeles> simpledat: if it's just for
quick tests and such, maybe virtualbox is easier to setup
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2866 [20:26:58] <somiaj> libvirt with virt manager gives a nice
front end to kvm+qemu
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2869 [20:27:12] <simpledat> mefistofeles: ok
2870 [20:27:40] <somiaj> only thing with virtualbox is it
won't be released with stretch, it most likely will be provided
via stretch-backports, but not positive on this.
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2872 [20:29:18] <simpledat> mefistofeles: so you cant use kvm for
quick tests?
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2874 [20:30:03] <somiaj> you can, virtualbox is just easier for
some to setup
2875 [20:30:04] <mefistofeles> simpledat: you can
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2879 [20:33:02] <jhutchins_wk> simpledat: There are a lot of
pre-installed pre-configured vbox images.
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2882 [20:33:34] <simpledat> jhutchins_wk: What do you mean by
that?
2883 [20:33:34] <jhutchins_wk> I still think vm appliances are a
cool idea.
2884 [20:33:56] <jhutchins_wk> simpledat: Essentially a virtual
machine you can download and just run without having to run an
install.
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2889 [20:35:13] <simpledat> jhutchins_wk: so you do not need to
download virtualbox or kvm?
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2896 [20:39:16] <jhutchins_wk> Once you have the virtualbox
program installed, you can create VMs within it, or you can download
pre-built vm files that will run within it. I don't know
anything about kvm.
2897 [20:39:44] <jhutchins_wk> simpledat: I don't know of a
system that has stand-alone VMs without the management software.
2898 [20:40:26] <simpledat> jhutchins_wk: oh nice :)
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2907 [20:46:15] <markinfo> Hi. On my PC (Debian-Stretch) is the
configuration in /bin/bash /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent not made.
Where could be problem? Against which package could be made
bugreport?
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2909 [20:47:31] <greycat> You should not run
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent with a shell before it. It's
meant to be sourced.
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2911 [20:48:44] <greycat> Things in Xsession.d get sourced by a
dash (sh) shell when you run startx, or when you login through a DM
that uses a "Debian session" (not a GNOME session).
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2915 [20:51:05] <markinfo> greycat, there should be variable
GPG_AGENT_INFO set. But is not. If I make this few commands in
terminal after xsession is started, then it is correctly set.
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2919 [20:52:17] <tseuglee> whats the update on this man.I just now
finished reading this(replaced-url
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2921 [20:52:51] <markinfo> waht is "debian" session? I
use Xfce started through lightdm.
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2924 [20:53:39] <jhutchins_wk> tseuglee: Russian security services
are not exactly chatty about what happens to their prisoners.
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2931 [20:57:47] <jhutchins_wk> !de
2932 [20:57:47] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in
#debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) -
German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net,
irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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2934 [20:57:55] <greycat> lightdm should run a Debian session. And
on my own stretch box, I get the GPG_AGENT_INFO variable in my
environment after doing startx.
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2938 [20:58:28] <markinfo> greycat, I can choose in Lightdm to
start "Default Xsession" or "Xfce Session".
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2940 [20:58:53] <greycat> Oh. Uh... I don't know anything
about an "Xfce session".
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2943 [20:59:27] <rohit> hey Guys, I understand that libgnutls26 is
now obsolete on my debian and libgnutls28 is available, But i am
trying to run qemu that requires libgnutls26. How do I solve this
problem?
2944 [20:59:58] <greycat> Usually by installing Debian's
version of qemu instead of some random binary from who knows where.
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2946 [21:00:24] <jhutchins_wk> rohit: Don't use packages from
outside of the distribution & release you're running.
2947 [21:00:25] <tw> It does. Lightdm uses /etc/X11/Xsession.d to
fire off a whole bunch of stuff. Even my i3 gets $GPG_AGENT_INFO
from the session.
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2949 [21:00:30] <markinfo> greycat, which package is responsible
for choose of this "Sessions"?
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2951 [21:00:42] <greycat> do I look like a person who runs a DM?
2952 [21:00:46] <greycat> I said twice that I use startx.
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2963 [21:02:59] <markinfo> tw, why not here? I have two
installation of Strech. On any is $GPG_AGENT_INFO set. If I execute
thess commands inside, than the varible is set properly.
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2969 [21:03:16] <simpledat> How can I see which virtualbox version
debian repository uses?
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2972 [21:04:05] <craniumslows> is that apt-cache show <package
name> ? to see the details of the package
2973 [21:04:06] <psusi> simpledat, packages.debian.org
2974 [21:04:19] <greycat> Or if you know the exact package name,
ask judd.
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2977 [21:05:10] <tseuglee> Dam arrested by russians, thats messed
up lol.I wonder what packages mr Dmitry Bogatov was maintaining
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2985 [21:07:09] <tw> markinfo: I couldn't say. Maybe
you've set it up using your ~/.xsession and not the session
manager?
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2987 [21:08:26] <greycat> That's a good guess. Yes, having a
~/.xsession file would make it skip the standard Xsession.d stuff.
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2996 [21:12:20] <huwjr> can someone with more braincells than me
please read the LSI 3008 spec and tell me if it supports JBOD?
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2998 [21:12:46] <huwjr> struggling to draw an conclusions
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3009 [21:17:27] <uxfi> hmm
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3011 [21:18:38] <jhutchins_wk> huwjr: URL?
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3013 [21:19:07] <huwjr> struggling to determine the exact one, but
it’s from ixsystems so i’m guessing it’s a
supermicro variant
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3015 [21:19:29] <huwjr> the config util for it just says Avago LSI
3008 IR
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3020 [21:20:36] <huwjr> don’t think i’ve ever come
across a controller that doesn’t supprt JBOD before but i
think i’ve just struck gold lol :D
3021 [21:21:23] <huwjr> all the disks detect during the Debian
install, i reboot and then there’s no boot ;[
3022 [21:21:47] <ForceRecon> off topic question.. is there any way
to create a link to an IRC channel with 2 ##
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3025 [21:22:07] <ForceRecon>
irc://chat.freenode.net:6697/##channel
3026 [21:22:13] <ForceRecon> is that correct
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3044 [21:34:48] <phogg> ForceRecon: off topc answer: the square
root of negative five.
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3049 [21:37:29] <ForceRecon> ha thanks. phogg
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3051 [21:38:11] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Try It And See!
3052 [21:38:50] <ForceRecon> I have been trying multiple
attempts.. nothing will launch hexchat.. seems to need an app
installed that will run a link process call..
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3056 [21:39:08] <ForceRecon> I think it is just easier to write it
down on the page and then have people just join
3057 [21:39:14] <ForceRecon> thanks though ;)
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3061 [21:41:08] <ForceRecon> jhutchins_wk: 2.23606798 i
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3073 [21:48:22] <gena2x> trying to use vanilla debian on rasberry
pi. installed man-db manpages anacron, 'man man' shows
"See 'man 7 undocumented' ...' what I am
possible missing?
3074 [21:48:38] <gaunledream> hello brothers and sisters, how do I
change the size of the LVM temp folder? (when installing, I choose
separate /home /var /temp partitions) Thanks :)
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3083 [21:51:21] <jhutchins_wk> gena2x: Documentation for that
architecture may not be complete. You can often find man pages on
the web though.
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3096 [21:59:58] <tw> speaking of custom schema handlers, can you
make a url handler do a different thing based on what it was called
from? For example, if I call xdg-open custom://thingy from terminal,
can I have it do something different from the same called from
chromium?
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3105 [22:03:09] <gena2x> jhutchins_wk: are you serious?
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3119 [22:10:40] <gena2x> /usr/share/man is empty - how could that
be?..
3120 [22:11:37] <greycat> Lots of ways. Maybe you deleted it all.
Maybe you mounted an empty file system on that directory. Maybe
you've installed something that autopurges all man pages of
everything now and henceforth, to save space. Maybe you're in a
Live distro that doesn't include man pages.
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3123 [22:12:24] <gena2x> how to reinstall that? I tried apt-get
remove man-db and apt-get install man-db. Still empty. I am kind of
puzzled...
3124 [22:12:31] <greycat> What operating system are you in?
3125 [22:12:43] <gena2x> debian obviously =)
3126 [22:12:53] <greycat> There is nothing obvious here at all.
What version of Debian?
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3131 [22:14:46] <gena2x> hm... right. lsb_release says me
Description: Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 (stretch)
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3134 [22:15:01] <gena2x> uname -a Linux buggy 4.11.0-rc7 #3 SMP
PREEMPT Sun Apr 23 21:50:31 BST 2017 aarch64 GNU/Linux
3135 [22:15:13] <greycat> That is not a stretch kernel.
3136 [22:15:19] <alekz> that's a hard kernel
3137 [22:15:29] <greycat> Hell, that's not even an
*experimental* debian kernel.
3138 [22:15:36] <gena2x> yeah, but I believe this doesn't
matter for man pages =)
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3140 [22:15:46] <greycat> It matters to try to figure out what the
hell you actually DID.
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3142 [22:16:02] <greycat> Clearly you are not going to tell us. So
we have to keep pulling teeh.
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3144 [22:16:24] <gena2x> Nothing special - just used recent
kernel.
3145 [22:16:26] <gena2x> =)
3146 [22:16:59] <greycat> And that smirking "=)" to try
to indicate that you are fucking AMUSED by those of us wasting our
time trying to rip and claw the truth out of you.
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3148 [22:17:04] <gena2x> You actually can always install one - it
doesn't matter. Well, unless there is problem with this systemd
stuff
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3153 [22:18:10] <gena2x> greycat: You completely misinterpret my
smile. I am just enjoying my setup and that I am running OS i like
in this quite unusual configuration.
3154 [22:18:21] <greycat> How did you install this
allegedly-Debian system? What distro was it BEFORE you edited
sources.list to "convert" it to stretch?
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3157 [22:18:43] <Plushfish> Is it possible that Jessie has a
little bit forgotten cause the freeze for Stretch?
3158 [22:18:45] <Plushfish> ^
replaced-url
3159 [22:19:06] <Plushfish> +been
3160 [22:19:21] <greycat> Serious jessie bugs may be fixed by the
security team (if they affect security), or by the regular
developers if the bugs are serious enough to warrant a change in
stable.
3161 [22:19:29] <TomTomTosch> it
3162 [22:19:36] <rhizome> me
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3164 [22:20:10] <gena2x> for rasberry pi it usually happens - you
get a PC (obviously with debian), create refroot on that PC and copy
that to sd card.
3165 [22:20:12] <TomTomTosch> it's normal that more rc bugs
get found during the life of a stable release. not all get fixed.
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3169 [22:21:01] <gena2x> than you boot that sd card with your
kernel and refroot and have fun with your new Debian system. I just
installed it yesterday and kind of enjoying it.
3170 [22:21:02] <greycat> So, was this originally Raspbian?
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3173 [22:21:50] <Plushfish> Okay, thanks!
3174 [22:21:51] <gena2x> nope, debian, let me point you...
replaced-url
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3176 [22:22:11] <greycat>
replaced-url
3177 [22:22:40] <greycat> Like you, the author of that question
has misled readers by calling it "Debian", so it might be
right up your fucking alley.
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3183 [22:23:44] <greycat> Until you prove otherwise, I am going to
assume you installed SOMETHING LIKE RASPBIAN which strips away all
man pages at some point during the install, and that you will have
to follow a procedure like that one to bring them all back.
3184 [22:23:48] <gena2x> eh greycat =( thanks for attempt, but
what I have is really not rasbian, and reinstalling didn't
help.
3185 [22:24:14] <greycat> Reinstalling *what*? The whole system?
One package? What command did you run? What did it do?
3186 [22:24:19] <gena2x> rasbian is 32 bit
3187 [22:24:32] <gena2x> I tried apt-get install --reinstall
man-db
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3189 [22:24:36] <greycat> Idiot.
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3191 [22:24:47] <rhizome> gena2x: have you ever needed help
before?
3192 [22:24:48] <greycat> WHY WOULD YOU THINK man-db CONTAINS MAN
PAGES
3193 [22:24:57] <gry> cool down
3194 [22:25:04] <greycat> Try reinstalling ONE PACKAGE that has a
man page, like bash, then try "man bash".
3195 [22:25:09] <jhutchins_wk> gena2x: I've seen systems set
up to never install man pages, for "security" or saving
space, or just because a production appliance should never need man
pages. Someone could have set that option on that arch.
3196 [22:25:25] <gry> take a look at 'apt show man-db'
too
3197 [22:25:32] <gena2x> because if I do dpkg -S man-db it
definetly shows man pages.
3198 [22:25:32] <greycat> If that works, then you do not have
anything PREEMPTIVELY removing man pages after pkg installs, which
means reinstalling every single package may work.
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3200 [22:25:49] <greycat> It may contain man(1) or something like
that. Did you do "man man"?
3201 [22:25:54] <gena2x> yep
3202 [22:26:14] * greycat looks at the very small pile of teeth
3203 [22:26:45] <greycat> WHAT HAPPENED when you reinstalled
man-db (and what command did you use, and what was its output), and
then what happened when you typed "man man"?
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3205 [22:27:10] <gena2x> rhizome: really no. I just decided to try
to talk little bit to see may be people already know the answer.
3206 [22:27:40] <rhizome> impressive.
3207 [22:27:44] <greycat> You still have REFUSED to divulge the
secret of what you installed.
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3209 [22:28:01] <gena2x> no, no I sent a link above
3210 [22:28:39] <greycat> You installed "michaelfranzl"?
What the hell kind of OS is that?
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3213 [22:29:36] <gena2x> Debian of course, what else? At least my
/etc/apt/sources.list shows me clearly that packages are taken from
ftp.debian.org.
3214 [22:30:02] <greycat> My best guess is you installed from some
random person's unofficial install image that LABELS ITSELF
"Debian", but is clearly, BLATANTLY, not Debian.
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3216 [22:30:39] <greycat> The next step is to determine whether
the great man page purge was a one-time feature of the installer, or
is an ongoing preemptive thing that happens even when you reinstall
packages.
3217 [22:30:55] <greycat> You have refused to provide ANY details
that could help us figure that out.
3218 [22:31:11] <craniumslows> The script you used has this option
replaced-url
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3220 [22:31:40] <gry> :(
3221 [22:31:54] <greycat> And people wonder why we don't
support non-Debian distributions.
3222 [22:32:04] <alekz> lol
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3225 [22:32:56] <alekz> and ppl is still ignoring README files
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3227 [22:33:21] <craniumslows> The solution would be to rebuild
but alter at least line 118
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3229 [22:33:36] <craniumslows> of rpi23-gen-image.sh
3230 [22:34:00] <gena2x> rebuilding too late for me, as I already
spent a day installing and configuring various stuff on box.
3231 [22:34:03] <greycat> If it's really "configure
APT", there is probably some way to change that configuration
on an installed system.
3232 [22:34:19] <craniumslows> gena2x unless it's production
it's never too late 8-)
3233 [22:34:22] <jhutchins_wk> gena2x: This page describes how to
configure apt to exclude man pages when installing packages:
replaced-url
3234 [22:35:01] <jhutchins_wk> gena2x: That should give you a clue
how to enable them, although re-installing them all pretty much
means reinstalling all of the packages afik.
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3237 [22:35:34] <greycat> Right, after you undo the configuration,
you have to reinstall each package that provides a man page.
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3239 [22:36:07] <gena2x> Yeah, exactly, obviously I googled in
wrong direction! Thanks
3240 [22:36:34] <craniumslows> All the "reducing" is
happening in here it seems.
replaced-url
3241 [22:37:08] <craniumslows> At least it was entertaining
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3249 [22:39:22] <gena2x> Yeah, I got a 'car' controlled
by rasberry pi as a birthday present so having a lot of fun now. Of
course just installing rasbian was too boring, I decided to try
vanilla.
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3251 [22:39:36] <greycat> LIAR
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3253 [22:39:54] <greycat> You decided to try "this random
installer image on someone's FUCKING BLOG"
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3255 [22:40:32] <alekz> lol
3256 [22:40:39] <alekz> *without reading the README*
3257 [22:40:39] <alekz> xD
3258 [22:40:47] <gena2x> or course, just googled around for random
blog!
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3265 [22:44:11] <gena2x> try to google THAT blog btw, it took me a
while to figure out how to install vanilla kernel and debian on
rasberry pi, debian wiki for example says that it wouldn't work
- it says that HDMI would not work for example. And I just saw it
working yesterday.
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3267 [22:45:50] <gena2x> my man is fine btw. I didn't know
that one could do such magic with dpkg.
3268 [22:45:54] <greycat> So, did you find the apt configuration
changes? Were they in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/? Were you able to undo
them?
3269 [22:46:03] <gena2x> that's dpkg
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3272 [22:46:44] <greycat> You're not going to tell us
ANYTHING HELPFUL at all, are you.
3273 [22:46:52] <greycat> God you're a fucking douche.
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3275 [22:47:16] <rhizome>
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3276 [22:47:29] <rhizome> path-exclude in dpkg.conf
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3278 [22:49:17] <gena2x> greycat: oh, man. it hurts? woman man be
left you recently? why you so harsh?
3279 [22:49:41] <greycat> dpkg, raspbian man pages is
<reply>We DO NOT support your Raspbian distro here, not even
if the third party blog page you got it from SAYS that it is
"vanilla Debian", but if your RASPBIAN installer is
preemptively removing all man pages, see
replaced-url
3280 [22:49:42] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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3282 [22:50:17] * craniumslows hands out chamomile tea
3283 [22:50:43] <greycat> There. Helpful answers provided by
rhizome and NOT BY YOU.
3284 [22:50:54] <greycat> *plonk*
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3287 [22:52:46] <sevak> hi I'm back asking about jack audio,
I don't seem to be getting any audio
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3291 [22:55:58] <rhizome> sevak: can jack be used by itself? is
alsa involved here?
3292 [22:57:18] <sevak> I'm not sure, idk if this helps but I
can play youtube videos with audio, but the videos stop when I start
jack, and I don't get sound from yoshimi synth after jack has
started even though the meter goes up
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3294 [22:58:34] <sevak> and the test in the xfce audio mixer
doesn't work
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3297 [22:59:24] <rhizome> pulseaudio?
3298 [22:59:54] <rhizome> fyi, lots of moving parts here even on
the best of days
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3302 [23:01:36] * rhizome makes note to attempt updating linux audio
howto
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3304 [23:02:17] <rhizome> someday
3305 [23:02:49] <greycat> Is it longer than "1) remove
pulseaudio"?
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3307 [23:03:10] <Artemis3> don't mind firefox going silent xD
3308 [23:03:12] <rhizome> my understanding is that PA is required
for multisource
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3310 [23:04:14] <greycat> Mine is that pa is the new esd
(enlightenment sound daemon), and only required if the underlying
chipset/driver doesn't natively support multisource. But I
could be mistaken.
3311 [23:04:15] <Artemis3> and yes jackd needs to talk to
something, alsa, or pulse... alsa is the preferred way
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3313 [23:04:54] <rhizome> greycat: me too, hence my goal to
"attempt" to update it. :)
3314 [23:05:22] <rhizome> maybe i can write it in a "choose
your own adventure" style
3315 [23:05:41] <Artemis3> lots of pitfalls, should be fun!
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3317 [23:05:56] <rhizome> i see what you did there
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3320 [23:06:27] <rhizome>
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3333 [23:10:32] <Komanda65343> tun_dev.c:34:24: fatal error:
net/if_tun.h: No such file or directory
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3336 [23:11:14] <greycat> svr5:~$ locate if_tun.h
3337 [23:11:14] <greycat> /usr/include/linux/if_tun.h
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3339 [23:11:43] <MaurizioB> Hello. I'm writing a software
based on PyQt4. I don't actually use Debian, but some of it
users are, so I need some help, please; turns out there seem to be a
problem with a module of PyQt4, QtMultimedia. According to this,
it's not installed:
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3340 [23:11:43] <MaurizioB> /590140
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3343 [23:12:09] <Komanda65343> greycat: sudo apt-get install
locate; locate if_tun.h
3344 [23:12:12] <Komanda65343> returns an empty line
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3346 [23:12:28] <rhizome> locate is installed by default
3347 [23:12:30] <Komanda65343> uname -a
3348 [23:12:40] <Komanda65343> 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3349 [23:12:40] <sevak> I don't think I have pulseaudio
3350 [23:12:43] <Komanda65343> nope i had to install it
3351 [23:12:48] <rhizome> wat
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3353 [23:13:11] <Komanda65343> -bash: locate: command not found
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3355 [23:13:20] <Komanda65343> then i did apt-get install locate
3356 [23:13:26] <Komanda65343> and it returned empty line
3357 [23:13:30] <sh00p> run updatedb after you install locate
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3361 [23:14:03] <Komanda65343> sh00p: that worked! thanks!
3362 [23:14:03] <Komanda65343> <3
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3364 [23:14:14] <sh00p> np homie
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3366 [23:14:31] <petn-randall> MaurizioB: Can you name me which
full file path your program expects? I could then look up which
package contains it.
3367 [23:14:40] <gry> why does locate not offer to updatedb at
install time as a part of the install script?
3368 [23:15:06] <ForceRecon> long book 513 pages.. I am on 26
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3370 [23:15:12] <ForceRecon> cya in a week
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3373 [23:15:22] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: thanks; I suppose that
it would be QtMultimedia.so (that's the
PyQt4.QtMultimedia.__file__ output in python)
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3377 [23:16:44] <crazy8> Can my computer run debian
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3382 [23:18:25] <petn-randall> MaurizioB: I can't find this
exact file in the DB, is that the exact filename on your system?
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3384 [23:18:53] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: yup:
'/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/PyQt4/QtMultimedia.so'
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3386 [23:18:57] <petn-randall> crazy8: If it's a Pentium II
or newer, Debian will run on it.
3387 [23:19:40] <sevak> could the jack audio problem be an issue
with the windows 10 host? I'm running debian in vbox
3388 [23:20:15] <ForceRecon> apt-get install sl.. very funny..
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3400 [23:24:02] <petn-randall> MaurizioB: Looks as though it
indeed is not packaged in Debian, since upstream renamed and moved
it a around a bit. You can recommend your users to install it via
pip, or you could check which library has better upstream support
and switch to that.
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3402 [23:24:19] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: Do you need help with
Debian?
3403 [23:25:22] <ForceRecon> petn-randall: I am okay boss.. I am
going to read this manual, do my online learning and come back in a
few days and see if I am ready to ask some better questions.. but
thanks!
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3405 [23:27:25] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: thanks, I was afraid of
that, I also read about the renaming; at this point of the
development, migrating to another library would be really hard;
I'll think about it. Btw, do you think that commenting on that
bugreport on launchpad would be useful to "get some
attention" at this point?
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3407 [23:27:58] <petn-randall> MaurizioB: Looks like the Qt5
version of it is packaged:
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3411 [23:29:19] <petn-randall> MaurizioB: You could mention it,
but since Ubuntu takes the python-qt4 package from Debian, you could
probably file a RFP (request for packaging) bug report in hopes that
someone picks it up.
3412 [23:29:19] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: I mean, at this point,
it's improbable that [Py]Qt4 gets another package move again,
and, even if Qt5 is now the upstream version, Qt4 is still quite
popular
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3415 [23:29:56] <petn-randall> MaurizioB: Not that it would take
at least 2 years for it land in Debian stable though, since stretch
is already frozen and a few months away from releasing.
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3417 [23:30:01] <petn-randall> *Note
3418 [23:30:28] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: ok, thank you, I'll
give it a try anyway. Good to know that Qt5 correctly gets it,
I've already tested a Qt5 version (even if I'm not really
satisfied with it).
3419 [23:30:43] <MaurizioB> sevak: what is your problem with jack?
3420 [23:31:07] <petn-randall> MaurizioB: The other option is to
tell your users to install it via pip, don't know how feasible
that is, though.
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3422 [23:31:26] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: yeah, indeed. I'll
look into it too. Thank you again!
3423 [23:31:42] <petn-randall> MaurizioB: You're welcome,
good luck with your project!
3424 [23:32:05] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: let's hope
I'll have better luck ;)
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3427 [23:33:55] <sevak> I'm not getting any audio from
yoshimi synth for example
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3431 [23:34:54] <sevak> it works before I start jack audio but
after I start jack, youtube videos stop and the audio test in the
mixer doesn[t work
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3434 [23:35:26] <sevak> *yoshimi works without jack but not after
I start it
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3437 [23:35:41] <petn-randall> sevak: IIRC current firefox
installations require pulseaudio, so I think that conflicts with
jack.
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3439 [23:36:02] <MaurizioB> sevak: what do you use to launch jack?
is that qjackctl?
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3441 [23:36:28] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: that pulseaudio forced
migration a shame, I think
3442 [23:36:29] <sevak> and kluppe doesn't work and crashes.
Yes i'm using qjack
3443 [23:37:41] <MaurizioB> sevak: ok, first, if you run one of
the latest versions of firefox, as petn-randall pointed out,
they'll only work with pulseaudio (which probably means that
you have pulseaudio installed and working indeed)
3444 [23:37:45] <koollman> well, forced-migrations are the norm
now, aren't they ? :)
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3448 [23:38:51] <sevak> hmm ok, so should I try removing pulse
audio?
3449 [23:39:17] <somiaj> iceweasel here works just fine with alsa,
so I woudln't say forced pulseaudio, though it may have dropped
jack support
3450 [23:39:22] <petn-randall> The reason they now require PA is
because many ALSA drivers (or even their cards) don't support
multiple output streams. Which means if you happened to open up your
music player before starting firefox, youtube wouldn't play
with audio. Since that costs them a lot of support time to explain
that to all users, they went with the other route.
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3453 [23:39:52] <MaurizioB> sevak: then, I'd try to start
yoshimi *after* jack is started. I'm not sure on how yoshimi
works, but it's possible that it just doesn't detect jack
if yoshimi is already running
3454 [23:39:52] <petn-randall> IIRC you can still compile it
yourself with ALSA support if you like, but it's not going to
get maintained in the long run.
3455 [23:40:39] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: in 2017 is still
possible that a linux distro doesn't get software downmix
working?
3456 [23:40:51] <somiaj> petn-randall: that must be new, luckly I
don't use firefox that often. Do you know if the debian package
is still choosing to compile in alsa support or not?
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3460 [23:41:44] <petn-randall> MaurizioB: Not all alsa drivers
support it, and PA does it out of the box.
3461 [23:41:54] <sevak> ok I started jack and started yoshimi but
it's not showing any output level
3462 [23:42:03] <petn-randall> somiaj: IIRC stretch and above
requires PA.
3463 [23:42:24] <koollman> MaurizioB: sure, always possible.
install a debian stretch on a chromebook via crouton, laugh when
pulseaudio crashes
3464 [23:42:26] <MaurizioB> sevak: then, you should use
qjackctl's patchbay (it should be the lower left button, maybe
labelled "connections") to connect it, if it's
visible; if not, maybe you should check the options of yoshimi in
the commandline
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3466 [23:42:48] <somiaj> petn-randall: I just must have not
noticed that I lost sound in firefox. I don't use pulse but I
also don't use firefox that often.
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3469 [23:43:28] <somiaj> but I'm someone who doesn't
like pulse, and still uses my sblive from 1998 because it does
hardware mixing.
3470 [23:43:37] <petn-randall> :)
3471 [23:44:02] <sevak> Cannot read socket fd = 5 err = Success
3472 [23:44:04] <sevak> CheckRes error
3473 [23:44:06] <sevak> JackSocketClientChannel read fail
3474 [23:44:08] <sevak> Cannot open yoshimi client
3475 [23:44:10] <sevak> Failed jack_client_open(), status: 21
3476 [23:44:12] <sevak> Failed to open jack client, trying again
3477 [23:44:14] <sevak> y
3478 [23:44:27] <sevak> now yoshimi isn't starting, sorry for
the block of text
3479 [23:44:36] <MaurizioB> petn-randall: I didn't know that,
afaik dmix should be supported everywhere
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3483 [23:45:30] <MaurizioB> koollman: I'm reading about that,
that's not good
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3488 [23:46:18] <MaurizioB> sevak: what driver is set on QJackctl?
is it alsa?
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3492 [23:48:00] <sevak> MaurizioB: how can I check this
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3495 [23:48:37] <sevak> ok driver is set to alsa
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3497 [23:48:57] <MaurizioB> in qjackctl click on the configuration
button, it should be the one in the middle, in the right side of the
main windows
3498 [23:49:02] <MaurizioB> window*
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3501 [23:49:42] <sevak> if I go to setup it says driver: alsa
3502 [23:50:05] <h7b> my machine is sporadically just crashing.
Can someone please help me to use dmesg or the like to find out why?
3503 [23:50:23] <MaurizioB> sevak: ok, that's a start. close
that dialog; what do you see in the connection window? (bottom left
button)
3504 [23:51:19] <sevak> I see system under readable clients and
system under writable clients, I saw yoshimi there earlier
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3506 [23:52:18] <bitanarchy> can i ask raspi2 questions here?
3507 [23:53:05] <petn-randall> !raspbian
3508 [23:53:05] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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3509 [23:53:18] <petn-randall> bitanarchy: You can find their IRC
channel here ^^^.
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3519 [23:59:52] <MaurizioB> sevak: when did you see it?
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