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• 1[00:00:23] <Alexej> Extracting templates from packages: 31%apt-extracttemplates: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.5.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
• 2[00:00:26] <Alexej> debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: No such file or directory
• 3[00:00:39] <cheesus> Alexej: so you need to install that libapt package
• 4[00:00:39] <Alexej> mi dist-upgrade failed at this
• 5[00:00:47] <cheesus> Alexej: you can do that with dpkg -i "package"
• 6[00:00:50] <Alexej> well but it needs libstdc++6
• 7[00:00:53] <ferna> If kill -9 fails to kill a process what to do?
• 8[00:00:59] <cheesus> Alexej: well do you know or don't you
• 9[00:01:00] <Alexej> and it will need something also ...
• 10[00:01:05] <nielmnon> i have really simple task to do and i wish someone could help me to resolve this. i need alsamixer [not gui] to run with pnmixer. what is the command to run alsamixer in the terminal alltogether?
• 11[00:01:19] <towo`> ferna, then it's maybe a zombie and all youi can do is reboot
• 12[00:01:23] <cheesus> nielmnon: alsamixer
• 13[00:01:24] <Alexej> well I am douing dpkg -i , it does not help ;-)
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• 15[00:01:43] <cheesus> Alexej: are you doing 'dpkg -i' with the correct libapt package as its argument?
• 16[00:01:52] <Alexej> but I would expect, that these things does not go baaad in Debian
• 17[00:02:03] <Alexej> I used Arch and Gentoo for many years
• 18[00:02:04] <nielmnon> for an example, i have already there [pnmixer] alsamixergui, but is it possible to run this command - alsamixer via terminal?
• 19[00:02:23] <cheesus> nielmnon: yes, you just type alsamixer to run alsamixer
• 20[00:03:06] <MrHyde_> hey i have a x1 carbon 3rd gen and I cant get a good resolution for grub ... looks like 16 colors only
• 21[00:03:19] <MrHyde_> I tried a couple of things but nothing really works
• 22[00:03:19] <Alexej> cheesus: libapt-pkg5.0:amd64 depends on libstdc++6 (>= 5.2); however: Version of libstdc++6:amd64 on system is 4.9.2-10.
• 23[00:03:19] <nielmnon> cheesus, oh, so sorry i don't know how to explain. i know that, but i need [you know maybe how it looks when you run settings of pnmixer]?
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• 26[00:03:50] <MrHyde_> any idea ?
• 27[00:03:53] <cheesus> Alexej: so manually get libstdc++6 >=5.2 and run dpkg -i on it
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• 29[00:04:08] <nielmnon> cheesus, i need to run in the same time with one click alsamixer/terminal. not first terminal and than to type alsamixer
• 30[00:04:15] <cheesus> nielmnon: My bad! No, I'm not sure what's up with pmixer :(
• 31[00:04:21] <Alexej> cheesus:
• 32[00:04:22] <Alexej> error processing archive libstdc++6_6.2.1-5_amd64.deb (--install): installing libstdc++6:amd64 would break digikam-private-libs, and deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)
• 33[00:04:43] <Alexej> I am thinking about forcing it
• 34[00:04:44] <nielmnon> cheesus, oh, ok. i hope i will find here answer
• 35[00:04:47] <teraflops> cheesus: stop suggesting such things pleae
• 36[00:04:56] <teraflops> please *
• 37[00:05:28] <zykotick9> nielmnon: most terminals have a ".. -e foo" option. for example "urxvt -e htop"
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• 39[00:05:47] <nielmnon> zykotick9, oh, you know what i talking about, right?
• 40[00:06:02] <nielmnon> zykotick9, i need very simple solution for this, can you help me?
• 41[00:06:03] <ferna> Thank You towo`
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• 43[00:06:14] <nielmnon> zykotick9, you know how pnmixer looks like?
• 44[00:06:15] <cheesus> teraflops: word, just how I fixed my libpng problem. Manually installed and packaged the file when the dependency broke.
• 45[00:06:20] <zykotick9> nielmnon: try "xterm -e alsamixer"
• 46[00:06:23] <Alexej> cheesus: --force-all on libstdc++6 went through
• 47[00:06:30] <nielmnon> zykotick9, ok, i will try right now
• 48[00:06:32] <cheesus> Alexej: glad to hear it
• 49[00:06:35] <zykotick9> nielmnon: sorry i have no idea what pnmixer is...
• 50[00:06:37] <Alexej> cheesus: will see at what cost ;-)
• 51[00:06:44] <cheesus> Alexej: xD
• 52[00:07:12] <random_numbers> Hey there. Not currently having the funds to get enough harddrives to use brtfs, is there a better option than par2 for protection against file corruption?
• 53[00:07:13] <Alexej> cheesus: how is possible that such important package such as apt can break during dist-upgrade ?
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• 55[00:07:31] <teraflops> nielmnon: you can even pass args as in $1
• 56[00:07:37] <nielmnon> Unable to launch volume command "xterm -e alsamixer".
• 57[00:07:57] <Alexej> even Gentoo did not have a problem with emerge during update
• 58[00:08:14] <Alexej> well Arch one day just failed completely
• 59[00:08:15] <nielmnon> teraflops, what's that means? can you give me more?
• 60[00:08:23] <teraflops> hehe
• 61[00:08:38] <teraflops> nielmnon: how are you a lunching it?
• 62[00:08:40] <Alexej> after 4 times trying to update it, I reinstalled :D
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• 64[00:09:02] <Alexej> and I even linked all libraries manually by linker runtime
• 65[00:09:34] <cheesus> Alexej: Wish I could tell you about the innerds of debian - I only recommended my course of action based on a similar problem
• 66[00:09:37] <nielmnon> teraflops, this command [xterm -r alsamixer] i run now in pnmixer volume control command
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• 70[00:10:52] <teraflops> idk what pnmixer is
• 71[00:10:55] <nielmnon> teraflops, i need alsamixer with terminal to run in the same time, like any gui mixer from pnmixer, settings, volume control - command
• 72[00:11:15] <Alexej> cheesus: I hope I will one day find a system, that will do updates without pain ;-)
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• 74[00:11:32] <nielmnon> such as: alsamixergui, pavucontrol, etc
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• 76[00:12:02] <teraflops> yeah but idk what pnmixer is
• 77[00:12:06] <nielmnon> teraflops, pnmixer is volume control app in the tray
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• 79[00:12:25] <nielmnon> it's not volume control. that app can run audio mixers
• 80[00:12:44] <nielmnon> pavucontrol, alsamixergui and i need terminal/alsamixer
• 81[00:13:26] <cheesus> Alexej: I hope one day I'll understand a system well enough that it's painless to update it :)
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• 83[00:13:59] <teraflops> nielmnon: where do you put xterm command? inside some sort of configuration menu entry?
• 84[00:14:11] <nielmnon> teraflops, yep
• 85[00:14:22] <nielmnon> do you want screen shot how it looks?
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• 87[00:14:41] <teraflops> nielmnon: nah
• 88[00:14:45] <nielmnon> ok
• 89[00:14:46] <random_numbers> I seem to find nothing that could serve a cheap alternative to full-blown zfs/brtfs.
• 90[00:15:58] <teraflops> nielmnon: if you put "alsamixer" what happens?
• 91[00:16:09] <nielmnon> teraflops, nothing
• 92[00:16:55] <teraflops> nielmnon: which one is your terminal client?
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• 95[00:17:42] <nielmnon> teraflops, it looks like that i need to run terminal with alsamixer alltogether, but i dont know command. like zykotick9 said: xterm -e alsamixer sound very good, but not work like that
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• 99[00:18:03] <nielmnon> teraflops, mate-terminal
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• 101[00:18:30] <teraflops> nielmnon: I still dont get what you want, maybe the screencapture is a good idea
• 102[00:19:00] <nielmnon> teraflops, sure, i will sent you here right now
• 103[00:19:05] <teraflops> k
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• 105[00:19:43] <random_numbers> I had the idea of a python script that would build an sqlite db relative to a given root, then save inode (prevent hardlinks from causing trouble), path + filename and a par2 file to the db. Thing is, I'd need to somehow link it to the ext4 journaling so files that were intentionally written-to just raise alarms instead of being reset to an earlier state.
• 106[00:20:01] <random_numbers> Does anyone know of a pre-existent program that has less flaws than what I'm thinking I might end up having to make myself?
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• 110[00:21:17] <nielmnon> teraflops, here it is: replaced-url
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• 113[00:22:12] <Alexej> cheesus: well that would be nice, but I do not think this is the issue ;-)
• 114[00:22:54] <Alexej> cheesus: I understood gentoo in a great way, but still, not all updates were orginezed flawslessly by maintaniners
• 115[00:23:00] <teraflops> nielmnon: wait are both options related as in alsamixer is cntrolled by the mouse command at the bottom?
• 116[00:23:13] <Alexej> cheesus: seems to be also the case in Debian
• 117[00:23:20] <teraflops> nielmnon: if yes that won't work
• 118[00:23:29] <nielmnon> no, this is independent
• 119[00:23:32] <teraflops> ah
• 120[00:24:08] <Alexej> cheesus:
• 121[00:24:11] <Alexej> Removing texlive-generic-recommended (2013.20130918-1) ...
• 122[00:24:11] <Alexej> (Reading database ... 316700 files and directories currently installed.)
• 123[00:24:11] <Alexej> Preparing to unpack .../texlive-latex-base-doc_2016.20161130-1_all.deb ...
• 124[00:24:11] <Alexej> Unpacking texlive-latex-base-doc (2016.20161130-1) over (2013.20130918-1) ...
• 125[00:24:11] <Alexej> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/texlive-latex-base-doc_2016.20161130-1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/doc/texlive-doc/latex/url/miscdoc.sty', which is also in package texlive-latex-recommended-doc 2013.20130918-1
• 126[00:24:12] *** Alexej was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 127[00:24:12] <dpkg> alexej: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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• 129[00:24:29] <teraflops> nielmnon: try quoting it, just guessing since idk how that mixer handles it
• 130[00:24:45] <Alexej> cheesus: did my message made it through ?
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• 133[00:25:18] <Alexej> cheesus: I have this error again and again
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• 135[00:25:24] <nielmnon> teraflops, how you mean to qute it this?
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• 137[00:25:59] <teraflops> nielmnon: e.g gnome-terminal -e "alsamixer"
• 138[00:26:57] <nielmnon> aha, i see. i will try! thanks teraflops for helping me, i'm going now off! i will try with this tomorrow.
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• 140[00:27:10] <teraflops> np good luck
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• 259[01:53:20] <AlexLikeRock> help !
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• 261[01:53:30] <AlexLikeRock> "Not authorized to control networking" : nm-applet
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• 263[01:53:59] <AlexLikeRock> 'Connection activation failed. Not authorized to control networking.'
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• 278[02:02:15] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: are you root?
• 279[02:02:29] <AlexLikeRock> mingdao, as normal user , not work
• 280[02:02:37] <AlexLikeRock> im conecctect by root
• 281[02:02:41] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: maybe you (a) need to be root, or (b) need to have your user in some group
• 282[02:02:58] <AlexLikeRock> every day , i need "gksu nm-applet"
• 283[02:03:09] <AlexLikeRock> mingdao, what group ?
• 284[02:03:21] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: idk, would just have to read the documentation
• 285[02:03:41] <AlexLikeRock> i just REMOVE SYSTEMD , and they make "·$%/() my computer
• 286[02:05:17] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: can you run Debian without systemd?
• 287[02:05:36] <AlexLikeRock> init
• 288[02:05:37] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: this is the networking section replaced-url
• 289[02:05:42] <AlexLikeRock> (Y)
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• 291[02:06:17] <mingdao> afaik Debian is designed to use systemd now...is that not right?
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• 293[02:06:32] <AlexLikeRock> Why should i be so dependent on systemD ??
• 294[02:06:33] <n4dir> last thing i heard is that you can run debian with other init systems /and i doubt that has changed/
• 295[02:06:37] <bazhang> yes
• 296[02:06:41] <random_numbers> mingdao: By default it has it, you can run anything you want though.
• 297[02:06:44] <bazhang> he wants devuan
• 298[02:06:47] <AlexLikeRock> SystemD = NSA , AMAZON, FBI
• 299[02:07:07] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, thats not correct at all
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• 301[02:07:18] <random_numbers> Doesn't Astra Linux use systemd?
• 302[02:07:33] <mingdao> replaced-url
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• 305[02:07:51] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, please dont spread that fud here
• 306[02:07:57] <mingdao> AlexLikeRock: if only the lines were that clear :D
• 307[02:08:04] <mingdao> bazhang: ack
• 308[02:08:14] <AlexLikeRock> ok, how to fix damage by systemD ? bazhang
• 309[02:08:32] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, dont remove it, use devuan
• 310[02:08:51] <bazhang> that is debian minus systemd AlexLikeRock
• 311[02:08:53] <AlexLikeRock> yes, i i goin to ...
• 312[02:09:02] <bazhang> #devuan AlexLikeRock
• 313[02:09:19] <AlexLikeRock> but , now i need fix my wifi
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• 316[02:12:46] <AlexLikeRock> bazhang, IM THER
• 317[02:12:50] <AlexLikeRock> I am very disappointed of the actual director of debian,
• 318[02:12:51] <AlexLikeRock> For your bad decision to partitioned DEBIAN
• 319[02:13:05] <AlexLikeRock> debian / devuan
• 320[02:13:36] <Kobaz> what's the best way to get qt 5.5 on jessie
• 321[02:13:47] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, you removed systemd, and your system is messed up now
• 322[02:14:06] <ohemdevin> replaced-url
• 323[02:14:19] <ohemdevin> Looks like it's possible to run Debian 8 w/o systemd.
• 324[02:14:31] <awal1> bazhang: are you a devuan user?
• 325[02:14:50] <ohemdevin> I don't really mind systemd, but it's nice knowing that there are always alternatives.
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• 327[02:14:59] <AlexLikeRock> bazhang, yes, Should not happen
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• 330[02:15:12] <ohemdevin> I believe Linux Mint 17.3 is still systemd free.
• 331[02:15:24] <AlexLikeRock> systemD its jjust a BOOT LOADER, not a DEBIAN-CORE
• 332[02:15:29] <ohemdevin> I know that's not Debian, but yanno. Maybe LMDE is systemd free as well?
• 333[02:15:55] <n4dir> you could always go for debian kFreeBSD.
• 334[02:16:04] <Kobaz> is that still a thing?
• 335[02:16:05] <AlexLikeRock> MATE , its going to... free. its working
• 336[02:16:12] <Kobaz> i haven't heard anything about kfreebsd in ages
• 337[02:16:15] <random_numbers> If that wasn't still in testing, I'd be curious to try it.
• 338[02:16:25] <awal1> many people are criticizing systemd but they have no really a clue about systemd, sysvinit, upstart..., apart following comments in blogs ...
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• 340[02:17:04] <Kobaz> system pee
• 341[02:17:36] <ohemdevin> systemd hate is basically uninformed groupthink, lol
• 342[02:17:43] <Kobaz> not entirely
• 343[02:17:45] <n4dir> not really
• 344[02:17:47] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, systemd are only problems
• 345[02:17:53] <ohemdevin> I know, lol
• 346[02:18:18] <AlexLikeRock> 80% of problems are related to systemD
• 347[02:18:28] <Kobaz> systemd is a misadvised attempt at fixing a problem that no one actually had
• 348[02:18:56] <awal1> AlexLikeRock: I want to hear a real technical critics about x vs b , not conjectures and general comments
• 349[02:18:58] <n4dir> yeah, gotta say that before systemd i didn't consider the init system to be much of a problem ...
• 350[02:19:20] <AlexLikeRock> Instead of improving the ecosystem, they are reinventing what already exists "sysinit"
• 351[02:19:26] <n4dir> awal1: they have been discussed endlessly. For starters it does way more than an init system should do
• 352[02:19:35] <random_numbers> I've had a decent experience with systemd, but I basically don't do anything with it that I coulnd't with sysvinit.
• 353[02:19:59] <ohemdevin> replaced-url
• 354[02:20:02] <Kobaz> my first experience with systemd was a boot lockup after installing plain-jane jessie on a new box
• 355[02:20:06] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, this is so not the channel for systemd rants
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• 357[02:20:29] <Kobaz> lvm was waiting for something that wasn't in the mood to start
• 358[02:20:38] <Kobaz> and i wasn't even using lvm, but it was being started anyway
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• 360[02:20:58] <awal1> n4dir: well discussed by DD's before it's adoption, right. I believe they (+ 1000 DD's) took the correct way. End users are really clueless
• 361[02:21:03] <ohemdevin> Personally, I found that the link I just posted was really informative, but I've not tested out OpenRC yet..
• 362[02:21:13] <Kobaz> but that's a config problem, but still.. your system should finish booting despite ONE service not succeeding to start
• 363[02:21:16] <n4dir> awal1: i guess all end users but you
• 364[02:21:35] <awal1> I include myself :P
• 365[02:21:42] <awal1> of course
• 366[02:21:54] <awal1> since I'm just an end user
• 367[02:21:55] <n4dir> and if i recall correct systemd was forced by the technical commite, not the end of an discussion
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• 370[02:22:44] <awal1> if not systemd , in that time, upstart, for sure...
• 371[02:23:20] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, why are reinventing what already exists "sysinit" ?
• 372[02:23:29] <awal1> sysvinit wasn't a real alternative in the discussions
• 373[02:24:14] <ohemdevin> systemd succeeds only because a corporate entity is involved (Red Hat).
• 374[02:24:30] <awal1> AlexLikeRock: ok: tell me what sysvinit does better than systemd; teach us
• 375[02:24:36] <n4dir> that doesn't change the fact that there are indeed good reasons against systemd, and they can easily be found, which you have questioned
• 376[02:24:48] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, WORK FINE!
• 377[02:24:54] <Kobaz> awal1: sysvinit doesn't completely break if there's a config issue
• 378[02:25:02] <n4dir> ^^ that
• 379[02:25:34] <Kobaz> awal1: it's EASILY fixable by anyone with a semblance of *nix experience
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• 381[02:26:15] <Kobaz> worst comes to worst you comment out the entire script and do /usr/sbin/apache blah blah blah hard coded and then it *just works*
• 382[02:26:16] <awal1> all what I wanrted to say is: frequently, here, people say systemd is bad bad bad, but I rarelly hear constructive comments
• 383[02:26:56] <Kobaz> most admins i know (myself included) are a big fan of 'simple', and 'just works'
• 384[02:27:13] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, like this :
• 385[02:27:14] <AlexLikeRock> SystemD Do you want to leave SERIAL PORT obsolete?
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• 389[02:27:58] <AlexLikeRock> How silly to make SERIAL unusable
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• 392[02:28:13] <random_numbers> So, that OpenRC conversion link explains why I never noticed the binary log issue.
• 393[02:28:16] <Kobaz> and then there's the whole 'smart'
• 394[02:28:16] <n4dir> awal1: you didn't say that. But said "no one". frequently and rarely: with that i can agree.
• 395[02:28:21] <Kobaz> 'smart' process living at pid 1
• 396[02:28:40] <Kobaz> which should scare the shit out of anyone
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• 398[02:29:00] <Kobaz> anyway. so yeap, lots of of baddies
• 399[02:29:13] <awal1> if someone doesn't like systemd, so he just have to no use it, or not use debian, or make a call for a new/more discussions about init
• 400[02:29:17] <random_numbers> I tend to take a very suspicious view at any object that calls itself 'smart'.
• 401[02:29:47] <AlexLikeRock> so he just have to no use it,
• 402[02:29:56] <AlexLikeRock> i try and BROKE my PC
• 403[02:30:00] <n4dir> would be more easy if the systemd dev's wouldn't have that hard on the distros which don't want to make systemd default (think of gentoo, and Poettering having at them)
• 404[02:30:00] <AlexLikeRock> !!!!
• 405[02:30:01] <dpkg> "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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• 407[02:30:32] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, Why should i be so dependent on systemD ??
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• 409[02:31:07] <awal1> nobody forced you
• 410[02:31:09] <AlexLikeRock> i love gentoo
• 411[02:31:14] <awal1> use it so
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• 413[02:31:54] <malf> Seems like the option to disable the touchpad vanished from the gnome shell touchpad settings after I upgraded today (in stretch). Anyone happen to know the right package to search under for bug reports, change logs, etc.?
• 414[02:32:21] <AlexLikeRock> malf, do you remove systemD ?
• 415[02:32:36] <malf> I just ran an aptitude safe-upgrade
• 416[02:32:46] <malf> So I don't _think_ so unless it was an auto-remove
• 417[02:32:56] <AlexLikeRock> malf, thats you actualize systemD
• 418[02:33:08] <AlexLikeRock> they broke
• 419[02:33:09] <malf> systemd is running
• 420[02:33:17] <AlexLikeRock> systemD are the problem
• 421[02:33:31] <bazhang> AlexLikeRock, why are you telling others to remove systemd
• 422[02:33:45] <bazhang> !ops | AlexLikeRock
• 423[02:33:45] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | AlexLikeRock
• 424[02:34:16] <bazhang> again AlexLikeRock this is not the rant channel about that
• 425[02:34:32] <gry> AlexLikeRock, see what bazhang said
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• 427[02:34:41] <AlexLikeRock> im not rants
• 428[02:34:44] <gry> AlexLikeRock, use #devuan for that sort of thing. debian supports systemd
• 429[02:35:12] <AlexLikeRock> well , some body tell , " you can use debian without systemD "
• 430[02:35:20] <n4dir> yes, you can
• 431[02:35:26] <gry> AlexLikeRock, it is easy to remove, I did it at my vps
• 432[02:35:32] <AlexLikeRock> and they lied to my
• 433[02:35:39] <AlexLikeRock> now my PC arte broken
• 434[02:35:45] <gry> AlexLikeRock, it is irrelevant to malf though. Please do not confuse people by irrelevant tips to their life.
• 435[02:36:20] <gry> AlexLikeRock, if you have a problem, don't ping everyone talking. Just ask a question to the channel with all details. Do not ping anyone.
• 436[02:36:30] <AlexLikeRock> i do
• 437[02:36:44] <AlexLikeRock> i not do a ping
• 438[02:36:49] <AlexLikeRock> i do my question
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• 440[02:37:11] <AlexLikeRock> i remove systemD , they
• 441[02:37:11] <AlexLikeRock> 'Connection activation failed. Not authorized to control networking.'
• 442[02:37:19] <AlexLikeRock> they broke my pc
• 443[02:37:27] <bazhang> who is they
• 444[02:37:32] <AlexLikeRock> systemD
• 445[02:37:38] <bazhang> no
• 446[02:37:44] <n4dir> replaced-url
• 447[02:38:06] <n4dir> and, like said, the other option would be kFreeBSD
• 448[02:38:16] <bazhang> you chose to remove it
• 449[02:38:18] <AlexLikeRock> preseed/late_command="in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
• 450[02:38:19] <AlexLikeRock> i do
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• 455[02:40:53] <AlexLikeRock> no, no do, no installl ,
• 456[02:41:12] <AlexLikeRock> just boot grub with sysint
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• 458[02:41:45] <random_numbers> Isn't openrc what a bunch of *BSDs use?
• 459[02:41:57] <bazhang> and gentoo
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• 462[02:42:23] <random_numbers> Ah yeah, it was on the gentoo wiki, wasn'it...
• 463[02:42:31] <bazhang> yes
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• 465[02:43:21] <awal1> malf: what you want to disable exactly?
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• 469[02:45:16] <n4dir> i don't think that the BSD systems use openrc
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• 471[02:45:53] <random_numbers> wikipedia says netbsd and freebsd do.
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• 474[02:48:03] <random_numbers> Does 'rc'='openrc'? If so, then openbsd docs say it can use it.
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• 476[02:48:51] <n4dir> i don't think it's the same. slackware has rc too, iirc
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• 478[02:49:54] <AlexLikeRock> i love Slackware
• 479[02:50:04] <n4dir> replaced-url
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• 485[02:54:45] <random_numbers> Haven't tried it. It seems to have signed releases, so that's acceptable. (Any distro that doesn't sign their releases is unacceptable right from the start.)
• 486[02:55:18] <somiaj> lets try to stick to #debian support.
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• 489[02:56:07] <bazhang> somiaj, where does removing systemd and advising others to do so fall
• 490[02:57:29] <somiaj> bazhang: supporting using another init system in debian is okay, pushing to complaining about systemd and advising others is not. I was a bit late to warn AlexLikeRock though
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• 492[02:57:56] <bazhang> ah he left. cheers somiaj
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• 494[02:58:26] <random_numbers> OpenRC seems nicer from a dev point of view (it looks less complicated).
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• 503[03:01:57] <n4dir> sysv-rc-conf was nice from a user point of view (for me). Gotta say that i got hard times with pretty much any other init system i ran into yet
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• 506[03:02:17] <n4dir> different: sysv was nice as there was sysv-rc-conf
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• 512[03:03:56] <somiaj> I actually like systemd as a user. But debian supports using different init systems, though I don't think you actually completely remove systemd even when using sysv init on debian
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• 515[03:04:49] <n4dir> libsystemd0 will have to stay. systemd you can remove (again: things might have changed).
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• 517[03:05:45] <somiaj> yea it won't be running on your system, but some things stick around.
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• 539[03:21:07] <ohemdevin> Do any of you use a shell other than bash? I've grown quite partial to fish as of late, but zsh looks promising.
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• 542[03:22:15] <n4dir> many swear on zsh. someone just recommended mksh to me (i for one use bash. duh)
• 543[03:22:45] <gildarts> I use zsh just for oh-my-zsh (or whatever the name is)
• 544[03:24:03] <n4dir> real man use dash !
• 545[03:24:52] <gildarts> I have seen people recommend fish, but I never really looked at it.
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• 547[03:25:19] <ohemdevin> I started using fish on a whim. It's pretty user-friendly, so I guess you could call it "babby's first shell" or whatever.
• 548[03:25:43] <ohemdevin> Others seem to call it a preconfigured zsh, without the need for all of the plugins that make it so great.
• 549[03:25:48] <ohemdevin> I'm trying dash next!
• 550[03:26:46] <n4dir> i was joking. i think it comes with no nothing (when it comes to comfort). but really: no clue
• 551[03:28:02] <ohemdevin> I forgot that dash is supposed to be really portable, haha
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• 553[03:28:34] <ohemdevin> Bash is a perfectly good shell and I didn't really start considering alternatives until very recently
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• 555[03:29:10] <ohemdevin> As GNU/Linux has become my predominant operating system, I've been more inclined to experiment with the various facets of the open source world.
• 556[03:29:13] <ohemdevin> It's been fun. :)
• 557[03:30:50] <n4dir> not sure if that is of any use for you (it's more bout scripting and similar things): replaced-url
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• 567[03:34:44] <malf> awal1: There used to be an option to turn off the touchpad in the "Mouse & Touchpad" UI. After upgrading the touchpad re-enabled and the UI to turn it off is gone.
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• 572[03:35:44] <malf> It's not a huge issue and I'm sure I could find a way to turn it off at a lower level in the system if need be. So for now I'm just ignoring it but figured I'd check and see if anyone knew offhand why it might've vanished as an option
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• 574[03:36:17] <pingfloyd> malf: you want to turn it off completely?
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• 576[03:37:09] <awal1> malf: stretch is #debian-next, but check if that config is now handled via gnome-tweak-tool
• 577[03:37:32] <awal1> i dont use gnome, sot really sure
• 578[03:37:54] <pingfloyd> malf: synclient TouchpadOff=(0,1 or 2)
• 579[03:38:53] <awal1> malf ^if you want to disable touchpad completely
• 580[03:39:02] <malf> Cool thanks for the advice all
• 581[03:39:17] <pingfloyd> malf: are you wanting to have it disabled while typing?
• 582[03:39:36] <pingfloyd> malf: for that you can use syndaemon
• 583[03:39:42] <malf> Maybe although I was happy enough with it off entirely
• 584[03:40:49] <pingfloyd> I generally don't use the gui applets to control my touchpad because they always leave something to be desired
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• 586[03:40:55] <awal1> if just disabling tapping synclient TapButton1=1 for on, 0 for off
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• 588[03:41:13] <pingfloyd> they're pretty limited in what you can do
• 589[03:41:20] <awal1> i usually just disable tapping
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• 592[03:41:38] <malf> Yeah I used to set it at a lower level with something like synclient (didn't remember the command off the top of my head)
• 593[03:41:50] <malf> but last time I got gnome-shell up and running it was there so I figured I'd be lazy and just use it
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• 595[03:42:05] <pingfloyd> somewhere in dconf you can set it so the gui doesn't control it
• 596[03:42:12] <awal1> check gnome-tweak-tool pkg
• 597[03:42:26] <malf> yeah I 'll definitely take a look at the tweak tool too
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• 599[03:43:03] <awal1> many gnome settings are now handled via that tool
• 600[03:44:26] <awal1> I dont know if gnome upstream is making it more easy or more complicated
• 601[03:44:33] <malf> yeah lots of stuff in there for sure
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• 604[03:45:45] <malf> But the synclient command has me covered for this issue. Thanks again everyone
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• 725[05:30:36] <hiexpo> hi I am useing the alfa 036h to receive Internet but i constantly get a lock up on it i am useing the rtl8187 driver any suggestions
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• 736[05:38:46] <econdudeawesome> howdy all. Just wanted to swing by to say thanks to nano_python and towo` for the help. I ended up ditching debian, as I never could get the 4+ kernel to work with X on the laptop. Retried Fedora and it works well now. Thanks again for the help though!
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• 763[05:56:51] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
• 764[05:57:13] <SanchoPensa> my upgrade to jessie seems to have uninstalled gwenview, what would i use instead?
• 765[05:57:43] <SanchoPensa> (i need something, that has a next/previous button)
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• 767[05:59:15] <Rusty1_> what does apt-cache policy gwenview report?
• 768[06:00:51] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, instalalo de nuevo ;-)
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• 770[06:01:30] <AlexLikeRock> or install EOG ( eye of gnome)
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• 772[06:02:08] <SanchoPensa> necessita gnome este EOG?
• 773[06:02:15] <AlexLikeRock> si
• 774[06:02:22] <AlexLikeRock> what desktop you have ?
• 775[06:02:26] <SanchoPensa> no tengo gnome, pero xface
• 776[06:02:35] <SanchoPensa> -a
• 777[06:02:41] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get isntall gwenview
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• 780[06:02:53] <SanchoPensa> yeah... seem the best ooption... :)
• 781[06:02:54] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get install gwenview
• 782[06:02:57] <SanchoPensa> thanks!
• 783[06:03:37] <SanchoPensa> hehe,thanks, i am fine!
• 784[06:03:58] <SanchoPensa> altzough i must say, that my debian annoys me just a little more by the day
• 785[06:04:16] <SanchoPensa> like, when it installs firefox versions, that force this bullshit named adware plus upon me
• 786[06:04:52] <SanchoPensa> which is basically the greatest fake of a blocker, that you have ever seen. but for compensation my gwenview gets uninstalled.. :D
• 787[06:04:57] <SanchoPensa> i mean, wtf?!? :D
• 788[06:05:09] <AlexLikeRock> debian , only use Firefox version ESTABLE
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• 790[06:06:14] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, replaced-url
• 791[06:06:57] <SanchoPensa> i am also good with addons, thanks. which is, why i really dont need this adblock crap. NO UNSINSTALL OPTION?!?
• 792[06:07:15] <themill> less with the shouting, more with asking real questions.
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• 795[06:07:45] <SanchoPensa> how is that compatible with debian spirit?
• 796[06:07:45] <SanchoPensa> that dude isnt even quite under the lawn, yet qall his principles are all dropped? or how is it?
• 797[06:07:54] <themill> firefox doesn't depend on adblock and you can uninstall the package if you want
• 798[06:08:08] <SanchoPensa> i can?
• 799[06:08:10] <AlexLikeRock> yes
• 800[06:08:18] <SanchoPensa> that is good news, thanks themill!
• 801[06:08:21] <AlexLikeRock> search at synaptic
• 802[06:09:28] <SanchoPensa> xul-ext-adblock-plus there it is, it is really apackage! :)
• 803[06:09:40] <SanchoPensa> themill: can you tell me, why debian does this?
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• 806[06:10:10] <AlexLikeRock> adware = its bad
• 807[06:10:30] <themill> It's part of the gnome metapackage because adblock functionality was once upon a time part of gnome's default browser
• 808[06:10:38] <SanchoPensa> yeah, but that software is even worse, they are known to block only, who doesn't pay!
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• 810[06:11:56] <SanchoPensa> themill: i had ff installed like for ever. same goes for thunderbird. all of a sudden it crashes. so I reopen it, and it tells me, adblock plus has been installed successfully. I did not invoke this installation, or anything.
• 811[06:12:09] <SanchoPensa> it just installed itself ccompletely on it's own
• 812[06:12:15] <AlexLikeRock> tunderbird = Icedove
• 813[06:12:20] <SanchoPensa> does that not completely violate debian principles?
• 814[06:12:26] <SanchoPensa> yes, indeed
• 815[06:12:26] <themill> well thunderbird isn't in debian and if you've had it for ages, then you're not using the debian packages
• 816[06:12:45] <AlexLikeRock> jejejej,
• 817[06:12:50] <AlexLikeRock> yes you are ubuntu
• 818[06:12:52] <AlexLikeRock> jejej
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• 820[06:12:56] <SanchoPensa> themill: no, AlexLikeRock is right, it is icedove actually
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• 822[06:13:38] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, take calm
• 823[06:13:38] <SanchoPensa> AlexLikeRock: if that were that case, i'd be in the completey wrong channel, wouldn't i? :)
• 824[06:13:56] <AlexLikeRock> you looks so presipitado
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• 826[06:14:04] <SanchoPensa> :D
• 827[06:14:54] <SanchoPensa> i looks confused, cos debian switched ff and tb for what were actually technically spoken forks, and that is for licensing reasons. nowadays they install software without asking you?
• 828[06:15:15] <SanchoPensa> cos if it's a package, then debian instaleld it and not thunderbird, right?
• 829[06:15:33] <SanchoPensa> that is a total voilation of debian policy.
• 830[06:15:47] <themill> They do not install packages without asking you. They don't even depend on these packages.
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• 832[06:15:52] <SanchoPensa> and i would hereby publicly like tostate, that i do not approve this.
• 833[06:16:07] <themill> You're getting increasingly annoying btw.
• 834[06:16:25] <SanchoPensa> themill: once more; my tb just crashed. and after reopening, it stated, adblock has been installed successfully.
• 835[06:16:33] <themill> Where
• 836[06:16:44] <SanchoPensa> what do you mean, where?
• 837[06:16:48] <themill> Probably meaning "upgraded" not installed
• 838[06:17:12] <themill> Do you actually have the xul-ext-adblock-plus package installed?
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• 840[06:17:36] <SanchoPensa> i don not use adblock, themill. i did certainly not have this installed, and i would not get increasingly annoying, iof i did not think, that this is iportant, bro.
• 841[06:17:39] <themill> Do you actually have the xul-ext-adblock-plus package installed?
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• 843[06:17:52] <SanchoPensa> themill: i just UNinstalled it.
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• 845[06:18:01] <themill> the package or the extension?
• 846[06:18:05] <SanchoPensa> i wasn't aware, that it is a package, until you mentioned it.
• 847[06:18:14] <SanchoPensa> the package.
• 848[06:18:22] <SanchoPensa> i just apt-get removed it.
• 849[06:18:29] <themill> And can you show apt logs that show it being recently installed?
• 850[06:18:32] <SanchoPensa> and i did NOT install this package.
• 851[06:18:42] <themill> yes you did...
• 852[06:18:45] <SanchoPensa> let me have a lokk, sec
• 853[06:18:51] <themill> apt is not yet sentient.
• 854[06:19:18] <AlexLikeRock> its stranger , i install many times firefox, and never isntall ad-block plus pakage,
• 855[06:19:30] <AlexLikeRock> i tinck you are laier
• 856[06:19:44] <themill> AlexLikeRock: please stop.
• 857[06:19:52] <AlexLikeRock> liar ***
• 858[06:20:04] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, , song like troll
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• 860[06:20:18] <AlexLikeRock> SanchoPensa, , sound like troll
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• 864[06:21:52] <SanchoPensa> this output of at.log is sort of not huma readable :D
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• 868[06:25:29] <SanchoPensa> themill: when you uprade a software, it usually says "upgrade" in the log, and not "install", right?
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• 872[06:25:53] <SanchoPensa> cos i upgraded ff from the backports three days ago, and that is where it says"INSTALL"
• 873[06:27:03] <SanchoPensa> themill: like so: replaced-url
• 874[06:27:14] <SanchoPensa> so, am I a liar, yes?
• 875[06:27:31] <AlexLikeRock> " xul-ext-ublock-origin:amd64$"
• 876[06:27:34] <themill> umm... firefox*???
• 877[06:27:59] <SanchoPensa> yes, apparently the package is called firefox-esr nowadays and not iceweasel any longer?
• 878[06:28:09] <SanchoPensa> cos that is, what i got after the upgrade.
• 879[06:28:19] <themill> SanchoPensa: so firefox* did exactly what you asked it to do
• 880[06:28:29] <SanchoPensa> how so?
• 881[06:28:37] <themill> and no, the package on backports is called "firefox"
• 882[06:29:37] <themill> You asked apt to install every package that starts with "firefo" and so you got "firefox-adblock-plus" which is also known as xul-ext-adblock-plus
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• 886[06:30:07] <themill> You will also have installed a bazillion other firefox packages at a guess.
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• 888[06:30:36] <themill> (or if you didn't that's probably because you accidentally installed them a previous time)
• 889[06:30:40] <SanchoPensa> excuse me, I asked firefox to UPGRADE every package, that starts with a firefox*, does that install things now?
• 890[06:30:51] <SanchoPensa> geezus almighty.
• 891[06:30:55] <SanchoPensa> i am telling you
• 892[06:31:01] <SanchoPensa> i did NOT install this crap.
• 893[06:31:12] <themill> apt disagrees. *shrug*
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• 895[06:31:28] <SanchoPensa> that i do not understand, themill
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• 898[06:31:50] <SanchoPensa> if i ask apt to UPGRADE everything that starts with firefox*
• 899[06:32:04] <SanchoPensa> how have i told it then to install addblock in the process?
• 900[06:32:11] <themill> 'upgrade' doesn't take arguments
• 901[06:32:18] <SanchoPensa> does the UPGRADE command do the same thing, as the INSTALL command?
• 902[06:32:59] <SanchoPensa> what exaclty does this command "apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade firefox*" do then?
• 903[06:33:04] <themill> make a mess
• 904[06:33:14] <SanchoPensa> obviously! :D
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• 906[06:34:00] <themill> It will try to install every package that starts with firefox and quite probably try to upgrade a stack of other unrelated packages... I'd need to check
• 907[06:34:19] <han-solo> i remember this one time i used wildcards to purge packagaes, apt-get remove --purge php*
• 908[06:34:23] <SanchoPensa> ok. once more for the protocol, and that is the last thing, that I am going to say about it now: I DDID NOT INSTALL ADBLOCK. I DO NOT LIKE ADBLOCK,. SO I DID CERTAINLY NOT INSTALL IT. fullstop.
• 909[06:34:25] <han-solo> and man that didn't work out well
• 910[06:34:30] <themill> SanchoPensa: stop shouting.
• 911[06:34:32] <han-solo> it had a lot of dependancy
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• 914[06:34:42] <themill> han-solo: they're also regexps not globs
• 915[06:34:50] <SanchoPensa> themill: i am not shouting, i am stressing. no offence meant.
• 916[06:34:55] <han-solo> hmm
• 917[06:35:05] <themill> so it would actually be ph<anything>
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• 920[06:35:37] <jusss> xhost +local: is a dangerous command?
• 921[06:35:37] <random_numbers> Debian doesn't install adblock on its own. At least , I'm not having that problem.
• 922[06:35:58] <themill> SanchoPensa: you did install it. Your apt logs show that. You now know how to fix that mistake by uninstalling that and all the other packages you accidentally installed.... there are probably lots and lots...
• 923[06:35:59] <SanchoPensa> themill: as always thank you for you assistance, much appreciated.
• 924[06:36:27] <SanchoPensa> yeah, greasemonkey also installed itself.
• 925[06:36:52] <themill> s/installed itself/was installed because I asked for it to be installed/
• 926[06:37:17] <themill> Your log output is truncated -- I can't tell how many others you accidentally installed
• 927[06:37:32] <SanchoPensa> themill: you can keep saying that. I still did not use an install command. so, as fa, as i am concerned, nope, i did not install it.
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• 929[06:38:07] <themill> SanchoPensa: Your apt log is quite clear as is the behaviour of apt. You can pretend that's not causal if you want, but that doesn't change that it is.
• 930[06:38:16] <SanchoPensa> yes, I used the grep command, but I will get it fixed from here on, thank you.
• 931[06:39:33] <SanchoPensa> themill: that argumetn doesn't make any sense to me, i pasted the output for you to see, and you saw, that I entered a upgrade command, not an install command. yet still you keep repeating,t hat I must have entered an install command.
• 932[06:39:40] <SanchoPensa> one more time. no, i did not.
• 933[06:40:09] * themill never said that
• 934[06:40:38] <themill> I can see "upgrade" in your command. "upgrade" does not mean what you think it means. Fortunately, apt always asks for confirmation and then you hit "Y".
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• 939[06:44:52] <SanchoPensa> themill: if "upgrade" does not mean, what I think, it means, where am I wrong then?
• 940[06:47:14] <themill> As is evident from your log, if you explicitly list packages that aren't installed, it will install them
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• 942[06:47:54] <SanchoPensa> with an upgrade command. nice.
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• 945[06:48:57] <SanchoPensa> i have been using debian for some 12 yrs now. and I still keep leraning by the day. about the upgrade command that installds things, for example. it is me, who is annoyed now. yet still thank you for your assistance once more, themill.
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• 949[06:49:59] <themill> (There is no documented use of apt-get upgrade with a packages list)
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• 954[06:51:26] <SanchoPensa> (it obviously requires one :) )
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• 957[06:52:50] <SanchoPensa> that would be sort of backport-apt-pinning, wouldn't it?
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• 1007[07:42:25] <awal1> SanchoPensa: apt-get upgrade firefox* will also install all all firefox related pkgs
• 1008[07:42:44] <awal1> I guess you have a bunch of them installed there :D
• 1009[07:42:57] <SanchoPensa> awal1: i learned that the hard way...
• 1010[07:43:22] <SanchoPensa> and nope, only adblock and greasmenkey, while adblock doesnt even carry firefox in its name.
• 1011[07:43:35] <SanchoPensa> but let's not warm up this story.
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• 1013[07:43:54] <ws2k3> systemd realy sucks. im trying to start memcached and it gives me failed to issue method call: Unit memcached.service is masked. wtf why cant it just give a normal error
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• 1022[07:49:07] <SanchoPensa> that would be another interesting question for themill, how i actually installed xul-ext-adblock-plus with the upgrade firefox* command, when that package doesn't even contain the word firefox.
• 1023[07:49:07] <SanchoPensa> but I shall leave this discussion to another day. good night everybody.
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• 1041[07:58:31] <awal1> Trying things in my debian VM: I only have the single chromium pkg installed, but if I run apt-get upgrade chromium* I get this replaced-url
• 1042[07:59:05] <awal1> themill: ^
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• 1044[07:59:34] <awal1> what happens here exactly?
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• 1048[08:00:57] <themill> You've asked apt to upgrade all packages that start with chromiu and that includes installing the packages if they're not yet
• 1049[08:02:18] <awal1> I understand that yeah, but why upgrade the rest of the system ?
• 1050[08:02:28] <awal1> starting from line 18 in the paste
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• 1057[08:05:20] <awal1> I understand what apt-get does (line 3 to 15 in my paste) but not what it says starting at line 18
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• 1059[08:06:23] <awal1> if i ask to upgrade chromium, which operation will install related chromium pkgs, why it upgrades all the system if not asked?
• 1060[08:06:28] <awal1> hmmm
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• 1063[08:08:03] <awal1> I never upgrade pkgs that way, just being curious :P
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• 1065[08:08:10] <afx_> Hello ! I am trying to create a desktop entry for thunderbird . Everything works fine except the icon is missing . I am using Jessie 64 with gnome
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• 1067[08:10:07] <afx_> there are 6 icons in ./thunderbird/chrome/icons/default , i.e. default16/22/24/32/48/256.png . What icon should I use in the .desktop entry?
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• 1086[08:26:25] <imran27> I used the Debian Testing Installer DVD-1 to install Debian Testing with GNOME Desktop and I knew beforehand that artwork used is of Debian 8 not 9. The problem now is I want to update the artwork (Wallpapers, Lock screens, grub, etc.) to Debian 9...
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• 1126[08:48:42] <nkuttler> any ideas why chrome wouldn't recognize all sorts of ssl certs any more? ff is fine
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• 1130[08:50:39] <{sd}> IIRC chrome uses it's own CA directory
• 1131[08:50:44] <nkuttler> mh, looks like it's a chrome bug
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• 1136[08:52:27] <kuene> Any idea what the status is on this one? replaced-url
• 1137[08:53:19] <{sd}> What CAs are listed if you open "Settings -> Advanced Settings -> HTTPS/SSL -> CAs"?
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• 1147[08:59:46] <nkuttler> {sd}: plenty. looks like replaced-url
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• 1257[10:02:55] <buhtz> re
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• 1259[10:03:45] <buhtz> I try to understand the "A stop job is running..." thing. What is the general cause of that problem? On the web a lot of "solutions" related to different applications but wihtout the describing the real problem behind it.
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• 1261[10:04:36] <buhtz> On my system I experience it most at the time when I was mounted to a samba server before. But sometimes it occures without a smb-mount.
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• 1264[10:05:17] <bezaban> buhtz: are you stopping jobs with ctrl+z or putting them in background iwth &?
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• 1266[10:05:37] <bezaban> 'jobs' for a list
• 1267[10:06:16] <buhtz> bezaban: No I don't. btw: Using unstable.
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• 1271[10:06:55] <bezaban> buhtz: ah, I confused the errors
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• 1273[10:07:33] <bezaban> right. Seems like a systemd thing. replaced-url
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• 1303[10:20:00] <buhtz> mhm... not really helpfull. I mean the stop job message doesn't tell me which process cause the problem
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• 1305[10:20:47] <bezaban> such are the joys of running unstable :)
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• 1307[10:21:52] <dunaeth> Hi, I'm stuck with a laptop hotkeys issue that no classic method can solve, most of my Asus laptop hotkeys do not work, some like brightness up/down does not even trigger something in evtest, others like keyboard brightness up/down only work after an X disconnect/reconnect
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• 1309[10:22:24] <buhtz> I was suprised that the Fn-keys on my Samsung N220 netbook work out of the box on unstable.
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• 1322[10:32:07] <TooL69> Hi
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• 1339[10:39:44] <afidegnum> helo, i m having an issue, scp -p id_rsa.pub remoteuser@remotehost: what does it supposed to connect? the ftp user or the systen user ?
• 1340[10:40:58] <bezaban> afidegnum: the default behaviour is the ssh/system user
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• 1342[10:41:40] <afidegnum> oh, i just created a new user and i m consistently having permission denied
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• 1344[10:41:49] <bezaban> do you have a home directory for that user?
• 1345[10:41:55] <bezaban> do you allow password logins?
• 1346[10:42:35] <bezaban> check ssh logs
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• 1348[10:43:31] <afidegnum> i m trying to create an RSA authentication system so i m to upload the public key to teh server and set everything before disable the ssh login
• 1349[10:43:35] <themill> afidegnum: you might want to look at ssh-copy-id btw
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• 1351[10:45:10] <afidegnum> should i use it at my client pc or remote ?
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• 1354[10:46:20] <afidegnum> where do i locate the user's folder in debian?
• 1355[10:46:31] <afidegnum> using home/$user$ returns nothing
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• 1359[10:47:47] <ben7> If you do an ls in /home, you can list all the users folders
• 1360[10:48:11] <themill> HOME isn't necessarily in /home, of course
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• 1366[10:51:30] <ben7> You can see it in the /etc/passwd file. I think it's the better choise
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• 1377[10:53:23] <jelly> afidegnum: getent passwd usernamehere
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• 1381[10:54:48] <afidegnum> ok, it seems users haven't been created yet,
• 1382[10:55:47] <jelly> that may prevent their home dir from existing yes
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• 1388[10:56:53] <afidegnum> oh ok,
• 1389[10:57:00] <afidegnum> useradd for creating a user, right ?
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• 1393[10:57:22] <nano_python> or adduser
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• 1396[10:57:51] <afidegnum> oh, what's the difference between the 2?
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• 1400[10:58:43] <han-solo> TIAS
• 1401[10:58:50] <nano_python> asks more questions
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• 1403[10:59:34] <nano_python> also adduser will make a home dir by default where you need to add -m to useradd
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• 1409[11:00:27] <jelly> afidegnum: adduser is a debian-specific slightly friendly wrapper for useradd
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• 1411[11:00:54] <afidegnum> ah, merci
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• 1415[11:01:59] <colo-work> what decides which vanilla kernel release stretch will base its kernel images in the end? is there any chance for it being 4.9?
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• 1418[11:03:23] <afidegnum> thanks a lot, everything works perfectly
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• 1422[11:04:05] <jelly> colo-work: debian kernel team decides, and that was a probable candidate for a couple months now
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• 1426[11:04:50] <colo-work> jelly, is that decision process introspectable (on a public ML maybe)? :)
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• 1432[11:05:31] <jelly> don't remember
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• 1453[11:12:15] <afidegnum> hello, i tried to login back to ssh, to use RSA authentication, but i m still logged via the normal root login,,
• 1454[11:12:23] <afidegnum> how do i enable it ?
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• 1456[11:14:14] <jelly> afidegnum: which debian release? What's the value of PermitRootLogin in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
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• 1459[11:15:00] <afidegnum> i m using debian jessie
• 1460[11:15:04] <afidegnum> debian 8
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• 1472[11:19:14] <afidegnum> jelly: PermitRootLogin yes
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• 1477[11:20:13] <sandman13> afidegnum: You mean login by using public key?
• 1478[11:20:21] <afidegnum> yes
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• 1480[11:20:27] <blawiz> anyone know why palemoon/ff would timestamp history with unix-time pluss some other digits at the end? eg 1481535465748851
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• 1483[11:21:03] <sandman13> afidegnum: ssh -v ... can help you detect the error. Also have you copied your ssh key(s) to the remote server?
• 1484[11:21:33] <afidegnum> blawiz: i dont know of palemon but using timestamp is easier for time calculation and manipulation
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• 1486[11:22:41] <afidegnum> sandman13: i have copied the generated public key to the remote server
• 1487[11:24:03] <afidegnum> ssh -V just ouput the debian version
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• 1489[11:24:48] <sandman13> afidegnum: Not -V but -v
• 1490[11:24:55] <sandman13> lowercased 'v'
• 1491[11:25:20] <sandman13> afidegnum: What is the permisson and name of your key?
• 1492[11:25:26] <sandman13> *permission
• 1493[11:26:09] <blawiz> afidegnum: ye, but what are the extra numbers?
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• 1495[11:26:30] <afidegnum> OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3, OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016
• 1496[11:26:48] <afidegnum> i followd this tutorial, replaced-url
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• 1499[11:27:03] <afidegnum> while generating the keys, i was asked a file name, which i entered
• 1500[11:27:19] <afidegnum> later i changd it to id_rsa.pub
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• 1502[11:27:25] <squigz> X crashes every time I launch a video file. Here is the tail of /var/log/Xorg.1.log replaced-url
• 1503[11:27:27] <afidegnum> but chmod it to 500
• 1504[11:27:41] <squigz> Please help. This is the infuriated I've ever been at my computer
• 1505[11:27:45] <squigz> the most*
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• 1507[11:28:34] <imran27> How to update artowrk on Debian stretch? Artwork (wallpapers, grub, splash, lock screen, etc.) on my debian stretch is of Debian 8
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• 1509[11:28:41] <sandman13> afidegnum: ssh -v <other_arguments> can help you detect what's wrong :)
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• 1511[11:29:10] <sandman13> See what keys are being used for login
• 1512[11:29:15] <afidegnum> squigz: ouput the content where the error is of the file "/var/log/Xorg.1.log"
• 1513[11:29:34] <squigz> I did
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• 1518[11:32:55] <afidegnum> should i turn Permitroot off before trying the public key login?
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• 1520[11:33:10] <afidegnum> or there are special arguments
• 1521[11:33:11] <afidegnum> ?
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• 1530[11:38:01] <afidegnum> ok, i tried that on a different PC, it pop up an error of Security Breat!!! the rsa key... bla bla bla
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• 1533[11:42:07] <google77> hi
• 1534[11:42:36] <google77> something's wrong with my testing. I haven't gotten any updates in 2 days.
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• 1537[11:46:35] <JyZyXEL> is it possible to re-install a file from .deb?
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• 1539[11:46:55] <JyZyXEL> like to recover a modified executable
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• 1541[11:47:22] <FinalX> you could extract the .deb, and take the file from it, or reinstall the entire package with dpkg
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• 1544[11:47:52] <JyZyXEL> apt remove; apt install would do it?
• 1545[11:48:01] <JyZyXEL> or just apt reinstall?
• 1546[11:48:25] <FinalX> no need to remove, even, you can just apt-get install --reinstall <package>
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• 1548[11:48:57] <FinalX> if it's a package in a repository, that is. otherwise you can use dpkg -i
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• 1550[11:49:17] <FinalX> might not work for config files, but should work for the executables/libraries
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• 1552[11:50:27] <babilen> dpkg: confmiss
• 1553[11:50:27] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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• 1556[11:52:30] <squigz> So X crashes every time I try to launch some video files (some do not cuase this) the ending of Xorg.1.log available here replaced-url
• 1557[11:52:48] <FinalX> babilen: thanks for the extra info (he was looking to recover an executable, though)
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• 1560[11:53:30] <afidegnum> if i set PermitRootLogin no will it also prevent 'root' to login?
• 1561[11:54:08] <FinalX> it will prevent root from logging in through ssh, but not locally
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• 1563[11:54:39] <FinalX> so a user can still ssh in as a regular user and su/sudo as long as that's not closed off in other ways
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• 1569[11:58:53] <ransur0t> google77: are you getting an update error, specifically?
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• 1574[12:00:13] <JyZyXEL> does Xorg support hot plugging video devices?
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• 1595[12:07:18] <c267> Debian sucks
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• 1598[12:07:32] <c267> Debian is an abomination. Repent I say, repent!
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• 1601[12:08:44] <c267> join /linux
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• 1603[12:08:57] <squigz> /linux, eh?
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• 1606[12:09:42] <teraflops> c267: thanks for sharing your feelings with us. now go grab your medication
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• 1609[12:10:27] <bezaban> he might already have had it :(
• 1610[12:10:44] <mrrhq> JyZyXEL: Does your hardware even support it?
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• 1613[12:11:02] <mrrhq> I've never heard of hot-swapping a GPU or something.
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• 1618[12:12:01] <MaBunny> ! bdo
• 1619[12:12:01] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
• 1620[12:12:36] <MaBunny> ! bdo list
• 1621[12:12:36] <dpkg> To list all packages you have installed from <debian backports>: «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' --disable-columns -F%p»; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: «aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)'». See also <which repo>.
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• 1623[12:13:03] <MaBunny> ! bdo contents
• 1624[12:13:03] <dpkg> To see a list of packages that are available to you from Debian Backports, first add backports.debian.org to your sources (ask me about <debian-backports>) then "aptitude search ~Vbpo". To determine installed Debian Backports packages, ask me about <bdo list>.
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• 1630[12:14:52] <babilen> FinalX: Yeah, just thought it might be helpful the next time around. You mentioned configuration files, that's why.
• 1631[12:15:32] <FinalX> yeah, hence my "thanks for the extra info", nice to know for myself as well :)
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• 1642[12:20:25] <MaBunny> !simple sid backports
• 1643[12:20:25] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 1644[12:21:21] <teraflops> MaBunny: /msg dpkg works too ^
• 1645[12:21:45] <MaBunny> i tried query dpkg and !bdo but it didnt work
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• 1650[12:24:07] <teraflops> MaBunny: /msg dpkg simple sid backports or whatever works here
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• 1652[12:25:14] <JyZyXEL> interesting, pressing the reset button during a kernel freeze caused a bunch of garbage to be written into .zsh_history
• 1653[12:25:41] <teraflops> MaBunny: while in the query buffer you don't use !
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• 1655[12:25:50] <MaBunny> ok
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• 1658[12:27:00] <MaBunny> teraflops, what is the package name of gcc 6.0.1 in sid?
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• 1661[12:30:12] <towo^work> gcc-6 and it's 6.2.1-5 in sid
• 1662[12:30:30] <MaBunny> yes i c
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• 1682[12:44:40] <baphomet`> how can i see wich is the latest version of irssi in the respos?
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• 1693[12:47:23] <n4dir> apt-cache policy, apt-cache search, dpkg -l , whatever
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• 1697[12:48:45] <JyZyXEL> is the Xorg modesetting driver on jessie too old to provide Haswell graphics with OpenGL support?
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• 1705[12:50:57] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: the driver is on the kernel.
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• 1707[12:51:07] <teraflops> also for 3d you want dri
• 1708[12:51:24] <JyZyXEL> well, glxgears gets killed instantly
• 1709[12:51:27] <teraflops> you better pick all the stuff from backports
• 1710[12:51:51] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: what did you do exactly?
• 1711[12:52:04] <JyZyXEL> i did sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-intel
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• 1714[12:52:14] <JyZyXEL> to let Xorg fall back to modesetting
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• 1717[12:52:37] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: for modesetting what you want is removing the xorg driver
• 1718[12:52:55] <teraflops> yeah remove I'm blind sorry
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• 1721[12:53:23] <JyZyXEL> it said "The use of this driver is discouraged if your hw is new enough (ca. 2007 and newer). You can try uninstalling this driver and let the server use it's builtin modesetting driver instead." in the video-intel package
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• 1726[12:53:35] <JyZyXEL> but now that im switched to modesetting, opengl doesn't work anymore
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• 1728[12:54:11] <teraflops> it has to work. which kernel is there?
• 1729[12:54:25] <JyZyXEL> 4.7.0
• 1730[12:54:41] <JyZyXEL> looks like PRIME doesn't work anymore either
• 1731[12:54:53] <JyZyXEL> % xrandr --setprovideroffloadsink radeon modesetting
• 1732[12:54:55] <JyZyXEL> X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
• 1733[12:55:07] <teraflops> prime? dual graphics? are tu on jessie?
• 1734[12:55:09] <teraflops> you
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• 1736[12:55:16] <JyZyXEL> yeah on jessie
• 1737[12:55:42] <JyZyXEL> it was working with the backported video-intel driver though
• 1738[12:56:05] <JyZyXEL> just the only thing wrong with it was that if you unbound radeon device from radeon driver, the whole kernel freezes
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• 1741[12:56:46] <JyZyXEL> maybe i should try backporting the Xorg from sid to get a newer modesetting driver
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• 1746[12:58:39] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: hmm. l
• 1747[12:58:49] <teraflops> s/I/
• 1748[12:59:21] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: mind sharing xorg.log?
• 1749[12:59:45] <JyZyXEL> replaced-url
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• 1755[13:01:35] <JyZyXEL> hmm, looks like the opengl issue is limited to kdes compositor
• 1756[13:01:52] <JyZyXEL> its saying that some desktop effects require OpenGL
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• 1759[13:02:22] <JyZyXEL> ill just try restarting kdm to see if that helps
• 1760[13:02:30] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: it's using the radionuclide card
• 1761[13:02:39] <teraflops> radeon
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• 1763[13:02:48] <teraflops> sorry the typos in on the phone
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• 1765[13:02:59] <JyZyXEL> no, provider 0 is the modesetting
• 1766[13:03:22] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: continue reading...
• 1767[13:03:35] <ksk> hola. from time to time I try to use grub-reboot to make my linux box boot the kernel I desire. however like 90% it does not what I would expect - ist there some nice hands-on around for that? thanks..
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• 1769[13:04:14] <teraflops> idk about ati/intel dual graphics but it looks you're using the dedicated gpu there
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• 1771[13:04:25] <JyZyXEL> Provider 0: id: 0xa8 cap: 0x2, Sink Output crtcs: 3 outputs: 5 associated providers: 0 name:modesetting
• 1772[13:04:27] <JyZyXEL> Provider 1: id: 0x59 cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 4 associated providers: 0 name:radeon
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• 1774[13:05:23] <JyZyXEL> or do you mean that Xorg automatically set the radeon as the DRI device?
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• 1782[13:06:49] <JyZyXEL> OpenGL vendor string: VMware, Inc. OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.8, 256 bits) OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 12.0.4
• 1783[13:06:54] <ksk> nevermding, It seems I was missing "GRUB_DEFAULT=saved" in my menu.list
• 1784[13:07:04] <JyZyXEL> wtf, vmware?! :D
• 1785[13:07:41] <JyZyXEL> i have no idea if this is modesetting or radeon or what this is
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• 1787[13:07:50] <jelly> that's software rendering
• 1788[13:08:14] <JyZyXEL> oh, well thats not good
• 1789[13:08:25] <JyZyXEL> that means neither the i915 or radeon are being used for DRI
• 1790[13:09:01] <JyZyXEL> i can't think of anything else that the Xorg is just too old
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• 1805[13:17:37] <JyZyXEL> even if i only enable modesetting in xorg.conf i don't get proper 3D acceleration
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• 1809[13:18:15] <JyZyXEL> so possibly the description in video-intel package is wrong
• 1810[13:18:30] <JyZyXEL> at least for haswell
• 1811[13:18:42] <JyZyXEL> and probably for newer as well
• 1812[13:19:20] <jelly> JyZyXEL: you will need jessie-backports kernel and x-x-v-intel and mesa
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• 1814[13:19:30] <jelly> and maybe x-x-core
• 1815[13:19:34] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-core
• 1816[13:19:35] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; jessie: 2:1.16.4-1; sid: 2:1.19.0-2; stretch: 2:1.19.0-2
• 1817[13:19:39] <jelly> or not
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• 1822[13:20:50] <JyZyXEL> i could try xserver-xorg-core 2:1.19.0-2
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• 1825[13:21:42] <JyZyXEL> (WW) modesetting(0): Option "DRI" is not used (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
• 1826[13:21:42] <towo^work> not needed for haswell
• 1827[13:21:51] <JyZyXEL> towo^work: what is not needed?
• 1828[13:21:59] <towo^work> a new xserver version
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• 1830[13:22:15] <towo^work> only recent drm, mesa and ddx
• 1831[13:22:21] <towo^work> and kernel
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• 1833[13:22:47] <JyZyXEL> yeah, that's the setup i had
• 1834[13:23:02] <JyZyXEL> works very well as long as you don't try unbinding the radeon driver while Xorg is running :P
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• 1837[13:23:30] <JyZyXEL> that just instantly freezes the whole kernel
• 1838[13:23:48] <towo^work> what has radeon here to do with intel?
• 1839[13:24:09] <JyZyXEL> i use radeon with PRIME for heavy 3D workloads
• 1840[13:24:25] <JyZyXEL> where haswell doesn't have the required performance
• 1841[13:24:48] <afidegnum> hello, what's the meaning of the following SSH configuration ? PermitTunnel no AllowAgentForwarding no AllowTcpForwarding no X11Forwarding no
• 1842[13:24:49] <towo^work> and why you try to unbind radeon, while x is running?
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• 1845[13:25:09] <JyZyXEL> to pass the card to a virtual machine
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• 1850[13:25:32] <towo^work> tha's not a common use
• 1851[13:25:46] <towo^work> x is not designet for such usecase
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• 1854[13:26:20] <JyZyXEL> yeah, hence the spectacular failure :P
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• 1857[13:27:49] <n4dir> what is the difference between "git clone gitgit@... " and "git clone replaced-url
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• 1861[13:28:48] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: ah true, so you have libegl1-mesa libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri from backports too?
• 1862[13:28:56] <JyZyXEL> yes
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• 1865[13:29:14] <julius> hi
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• 1867[13:29:34] <julius> does apt-cacher also cache what apt update downloads? i was under the impression it only saves .deb packages
• 1868[13:29:41] <julius> what apt upgrade downloads
• 1869[13:29:47] <JyZyXEL> teraflops: somebody has gotten this to work though: replaced-url
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• 1872[13:30:20] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: I was talking about the modesetting
• 1873[13:30:30] <teraflops> sorry I was afk
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• 1879[13:32:00] <JyZyXEL> i think modesetting is baked into Xorg
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• 1890[13:34:36] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: kernel and xorg. modesetting is an Xorg driver for KMS devices [...] The modesetting driver can pick up the currently used video mode from the kernel driver and will use it if there are no video modes configured. from man modesetting
• 1891[13:34:56] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: is xorg in backports?
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• 1893[13:35:34] <JyZyXEL> teraflops: nope
• 1894[13:35:44] <JyZyXEL> but it should be easily backportable
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• 1896[13:36:18] <jelly> ,v xserver-xorg-video-modesetting
• 1897[13:36:20] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-modesetting on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3.0-1; jessie: 0.9.0-2
• 1898[13:36:28] <jelly> ^^ still a separate package in jessie
• 1899[13:36:32] <teraflops> oh
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• 1903[13:38:50] <JyZyXEL> ,checkbackport xorg
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• 1905[13:38:51] <judd> Backporting package xorg in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, jessie-backports.
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• 1907[13:39:02] <JyZyXEL> not true; dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 10) asciidoc
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• 1910[13:40:44] <JyZyXEL> debhelper : Depends: dh-autoreconf (>= 12~) but 10 is installed. Breaks: dh-systemd (< 1.38) but 1.22 is installed. Breaks: dh-systemd:i386 (< 1.38) which is a virtual package.
• 1911[13:40:52] <JyZyXEL> maybe there is a reason why Xorg hasn't been backported :P
• 1912[13:41:07] <jelly> JyZyXEL: forget about backporting the x server itself
• 1913[13:41:10] <teraflops> hehe
• 1914[13:41:24] <jelly> upgrade to stretch if you need that
• 1915[13:41:53] <themill> (also, judd is correct; but you don't want to do that)
• 1916[13:42:08] <jelly> you'll be without proper security updates for 6-12 months-ish, but it's probably saner than trying to build xorg
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• 1918[13:42:28] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: the freeze is coming anyways
• 1919[13:42:35] <JyZyXEL> going to stretch would mean Plasma 4 -> Plasma 5 migration
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• 1921[13:42:47] <JyZyXEL> which is going to be an absolute nightmare
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• 1923[13:43:11] <jelly> JyZyXEL: maybe, maybe not... kde4 -> plasma5 made me go back to xfce :-)
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• 1925[13:45:02] <JyZyXEL> i mean, i might still be able to backport Xorg in a jessie chroot
• 1926[13:45:24] <jelly> pigs might fly
• 1927[13:45:40] <themill> I don't think backporting the xorg package is a useful step in any case
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• 1930[13:45:58] <JyZyXEL> it might get rid of the freezing issue
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• 1932[13:46:06] <themill> It contains no code.
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• 1936[13:47:47] <JyZyXEL> xorg is the source package for a lot of things
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• 1939[13:49:40] <JyZyXEL> the guy who has it working has Ubuntu 14.04 and kernel 3.19 :C
• 1940[13:49:59] <themill> I think you should look more carefully at the xorg source package.
• 1941[13:50:18] <jelly> JyZyXEL: ubuntu have regular backports of the whole kernel/xorg/dri/mesa stack
• 1942[13:50:27] <jelly> debian does not
• 1943[13:50:47] <JyZyXEL> im gonna check what versions he would have available
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• 1946[13:51:59] <JyZyXEL> trusty (14.04LTS) (x11): X.Org X Window System 1:7.7+1ubuntu8: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpc ppc64el
• 1947[13:52:09] <jelly> JyZyXEL: replaced-url
• 1948[13:52:10] <JyZyXEL> that's the same version as debian jessie has?
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• 1952[13:52:57] <jelly> they might have any current or previous HWE installed and running
• 1953[13:53:14] <JyZyXEL> ah, yeah: trusty-updates (x11): Xorg X server - core server 2:1.18.3-1ubuntu2.2~trusty3: amd64 arm64 armhf i386 powerpc ppc64el
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• 1956[13:53:51] <jelly> so that's not really comparable to the jessie situation
• 1957[13:53:57] <JyZyXEL> ill have to ask him for specific versions
• 1958[13:54:39] <themill> ubuntu package versions of rather different packages aren't particularly relevant
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• 1967[13:57:44] <jelly> they actually got a pretty neat setup, tho naming something "LTS" when you've dug out and given up on old kernel, whole xorg and mesa out and put in new everything is debatable
• 1968[13:57:59] <afidegnum> do i need to install openssh-server if i have ssh installed already?
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• 1971[13:59:28] <themill> afidegnum: that depends on whether you mean 'ssh package' or 'ssh program'
• 1972[13:59:44] <jelly> afidegnum: dpkg -l openssh\*
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• 1980[14:03:13] <jelly> who's there
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• 1983[14:03:51] <afidegnum> jelly: i have been receiving flows of penetration attempts,
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• 1986[14:04:37] <jelly> just like everyone else having 22/tcp open
• 1987[14:04:59] <jelly> or 80/tcp or 443/tcp or any common port really
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• 1990[14:05:39] <n4dir> using a different port should handle that, no?
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• 1992[14:06:18] <sh00p> i highly suggest you hide your ip if you're gonna be on irc afidegnum
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• 1994[14:06:37] <sh00p> i believe bots crawl irc channels and scans ip's they find
• 1995[14:06:44] <sh00p> especially in linux related channels
• 1996[14:06:54] <afidegnum> no, this is not the server's ip
• 1997[14:06:58] <afidegnum> bit i will hide this one too
• 1998[14:07:18] <jelly> sh00p: being on irc is irrelevant, automated probes go thru the whole ipv4 space every couple hours or more often
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• 2000[14:07:32] <sh00p> jelly, damn really?
• 2001[14:07:45] <teraflops> ^
• 2002[14:07:48] <sh00p> thats insane
• 2003[14:07:50] <sh00p> i had no clue
• 2004[14:07:51] <jelly> it's been this way for years
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• 2006[14:08:26] <afidegnum> but what should this be happening?
• 2007[14:08:40] <afidegnum> I mean *why* should this be happening?
• 2008[14:08:54] <bezaban> I wonder if I should set up something at my hackerspace to make music from port probes. 22 is base, 3389 is snare, 443 high hat etc.
• 2009[14:08:59] <bezaban> s/base/bass/
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• 2011[14:09:59] <jelly> it doesn't really matter *why*, it's the state of the world, deal with it
• 2012[14:10:00] <bezaban> afidegnum: because people want low hanging fruit, like machines with default/bad passwords etc
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• 2015[14:11:07] <jelly> even with a simple fail2ban setup, you still get hundreds or probes per hour because highly distributed
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• 2017[14:11:58] <jelly> sure, you have key auth only, or random complex password, but seeing the logs slowly fill the disk is annoying
• 2018[14:12:15] <n4dir> like said: change the used port
• 2019[14:12:27] <bezaban> one bastion host I'm on now has 3780 ip addresses banned from ssh attempts.
• 2020[14:12:38] <bezaban> not sure if they expire or after how long
• 2021[14:12:38] <jelly> n4dir: that's an annoyance if you have multiple users
• 2022[14:12:40] <afidegnum> yes, and i thing this could also impede on the traffic as well,
• 2023[14:13:02] <afidegnum> you will ended up paying for additional traffic for nothing
• 2024[14:13:08] <n4dir> can't see how that is an annoyance
• 2025[14:13:14] <teraflops> bezaban: why? because human nature
• 2026[14:13:18] <jelly> n4dir: more so with services like imap or smtp
• 2027[14:13:27] <n4dir> oh, i was speaking of ssh
• 2028[14:13:30] <Howdy> Good Morning
• 2029[14:13:41] <bezaban> teraflops: why what? :o
• 2030[14:13:49] <jelly> anything that requires additional manual configuration by the end user is an annoyance, n4dir
• 2031[14:13:54] <sh00p> anybody done the math on probing entire ipv6 space?
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• 2034[14:14:23] <bezaban> sh00p: they say from the beginning of the universe until the end or something like that
• 2035[14:14:24] <teraflops> bezaban: hehe sorry I meant afidegnum
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• 2038[14:14:32] <n4dir> well: if you use ssh-keys, creating a ~/.ssh/config is a good thing anyway. To also add the port in there doesn't seem like that much of a problem
• 2039[14:14:32] <bezaban> teraflops: oh right :)
• 2040[14:14:45] <sh00p> bezaban so that is not gonna be even remotely possible in the same way
• 2041[14:15:14] <sh00p> sweet
• 2042[14:15:14] <n4dir> but you can't have it both: either comfort for the user or a slight enhancement in security.
• 2043[14:15:17] <bezaban> sh00p: indeed, with current tech. However stuff changes and you can reduce the space somewhat, but less practical yeah
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• 2045[14:15:23] <jelly> n4dir: now figure out an automated way to add known hosts to your customer's ssh clients, and to SAFELY transfer keys
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• 2047[14:15:46] <teraflops> anyway the moral of all it is
• 2048[14:15:53] <n4dir> huh? the public keys? Jelly?
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• 2050[14:16:03] <teraflops> you better secure whatever you're running on the internet
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• 2053[14:16:48] <jelly> s/secure/keep secured/
• 2054[14:16:55] <jelly> it's not a one-time job
• 2055[14:17:19] <teraflops> right
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• 2065[14:24:15] <n4dir> i still fail to understand how transfering the ssh-keys might be an issue
• 2066[14:24:45] <bezaban> n4dir: because that requires you to enable password authentication (or otherwise push with automation tools/configuration management)
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• 2068[14:26:04] <bezaban> but should be given some thought as machines in dmz will get hit a lot. It's not major imo, but should be given some thought
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• 2070[14:27:17] <n4dir> Well: i just copied an ssh key to a github like website. web-interface. I can't see how security ("SAFELY") comes into this. Having passwords enabled surely has.
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• 2072[14:27:28] <n4dir> but without keys you have to use passwords anyway ...
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• 2075[14:28:24] <n4dir> to say: using ssh keys ain't secure, as you have to enable password authetication to move the pub keys in place, so use password enabled authentication
• 2076[14:28:26] <bezaban> or configuration management
• 2077[14:28:28] <n4dir> sounds a bit weird to me
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• 2083[14:28:54] <bezaban> that wasn't the point at all, just that you make some thought as to how you are authenticating to transfer the keys
• 2084[14:29:13] <bezaban> was how I understood it at least.
• 2085[14:29:18] <n4dir> well: i have read "SAFELY". so for me that was the point
• 2086[14:29:22] <bezaban> ok
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• 2088[14:30:01] <n4dir> "some thoughts" Yeah, sure.
• 2089[14:30:30] <bezaban> glad we agree
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• 2091[14:30:59] <n4dir> :-)
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• 2098[14:34:34] <n4dir> didn't look to me as if afidegnum was speaking of thousands of customers, so i looked at it from a very small perspective. Autmated. Well yeah: i sure don't know
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• 2139[14:56:19] <jmp> can someone recall how to enable memory accountability on systemd
• 2140[14:56:24] <jmp> for cgtop,etc.
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• 2145[14:57:05] <jmp> To emphasize this: unless "CPUAccounting=1", "MemoryAccounting=1" and "BlockIOAccounting=1" are enabled for the services in question, no resource accounting will be available for system services
• 2146[14:57:09] <jmp> and the data shown by systemd-cgtop will be incomplete.
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• 2154[14:58:43] <jmp> found it /etc/sustemd/system.conf
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• 2256[15:21:42] <aruns> I a setting SSL enabled website, using nginx, debian wheezy and certbot ; I am getting ssl handshake error, ssl test states testing TLS1.0"Assessment failed: No secure protocols supported" my /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default file --> replaced-url
• 2257[15:21:42] <aruns> >> replaced-url
• 2258[15:22:02] <aruns> I a setting SSL enabled website hosted on AWS, using nginx, debian wheezy and certbot ; I am getting ssl handshake error, ssl test states testing TLS1.0"Assessment failed: No secure protocols supported" my /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default file --> replaced-url
• 2259[15:22:02] <aruns> ee this output >> replaced-url
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• 2304[15:28:46] <tman> I'm having a problem. I have decided to encript my root drive using the debian-installer. I have used the option for LVM encripted volumes (guided, entire disk) and installation completed succesfully.
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• 2311[15:29:32] <tman> On Jessie I got some messages at boot saying the volume group could not be found, these messages came before I got the option to unlock my drive. After giving passkey system boots as normal.
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• 2313[15:30:11] <tman> On Stretch I get the same messages from Jessie but also complaints about not being able to connect to lvmetad and how scanning may take a long time. Again boots fine after passkey
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• 2315[15:31:04] <tman> So my question: Where do I need to look to fix my errors? I've been reading about LVM, lvmetad, dm-crypt, systemd, udev and my head is spinning! Can you direct me?
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• 2321[15:32:06] <jelly> tman: those are normal and a consequence of how initramfs code searches for block devices, fails to find them, and only then tries to unlock LUKS (crypto) block devs
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• 2324[15:32:37] <jelly> so basically a cosmetic issue
• 2325[15:33:16] <tman> oh. Thank you. Do you know if I can fix the cosmetics? I.e supress these messages
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• 2335[15:36:02] <jelly> tman: you don't want to suppress them -- the same code will also let you know when something is _really_ missing. The right way to do this would probably involve fixing initramfs creation to a) take notice which block devices are dependant on LUKS, and b) not look for them before luks devs are open
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• 2340[15:36:41] <jelly> I guess you can add a "quiet" option to kernel parameters (/etc/default/grub), see if that helps
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• 2353[15:40:31] <tman> I will look into initramfs to see what can be done there, sounds better revolving the ordering then hiding everything. Think I remember reading something about this on archliniux wiki. Thanks a lot
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• 2365[15:46:19] <jelly> it won't be as simple as reversing the order -- the same code is used to find the underlying physical dev for luks, as the one used after to find the device for root fs
• 2366[15:46:37] <jelly> (at least, I suspect so)
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• 2374[15:49:45] <debian-mate> my 500 GiB drive all of the sudden displays 465.8 GiB . ... what happend?
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• 2383[15:53:15] <tman> debian-mate: that is correct. On Linux or Windows it will show 465 and in Mac it will show 500 (still same amount either way). See: replaced-url
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• 2431[16:05:17] <maddawg2> guys i'm having issues with figuring out what debian changed half the scripts from apache to
• 2432[16:05:36] <maddawg2> i'm attemtping to follow these steps: replaced-url
• 2433[16:05:38] <Shadur> Scripts, not config files?
• 2434[16:05:41] <maddawg2> but i am at the last one
• 2435[16:05:44] <maddawg2> a2ensite
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• 2437[16:05:49] <maddawg2> that doesnt work
• 2438[16:05:50] <maddawg2> the command
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• 2440[16:06:00] <Shadur> Works for me on Jessie.
• 2441[16:06:01] <maddawg2> a2ensite default-ssl
• 2442[16:06:07] <maddawg2> i'm using jessie
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• 2444[16:06:20] <Shadur> Ahh. Bear in mind that it now only recognizes config files that end in .conf
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• 2446[16:06:33] <maddawg2> ah
• 2447[16:07:10] <maddawg2> does debian have a firewall on by default?
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• 2451[16:07:57] <maddawg2> and also the command apachectl -S should show something but the command isnt found
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• 2453[16:08:14] <maddawg2> there are a whole bunch of apache scripts that jsut dont seem to exist in debian
• 2454[16:08:16] <maddawg2> or are renamed
• 2455[16:08:23] <maddawg2> but cant find what they've been changed to
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• 2463[16:10:38] <humping> i
• 2464[16:10:39] <humping> hump
• 2465[16:10:40] <humping> people
• 2466[16:10:41] <maddawg2> why is there zero documentation on what changes the debian maintainers did to Apache
• 2467[16:10:57] <maddawg2> half of the stuff that SHOULD work in apache don't
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• 2469[16:11:25] <maddawg2> and apache insists that debian changed it in their distro and i need to find what the commands now are but there is zero documentation of that on debian's side that i can find
• 2470[16:11:25] <humping> i'm so hi all i can do is HUMP!
• 2471[16:11:29] <humping> humpy sex
• 2472[16:11:36] <humping> sexy humping
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• 2476[16:11:55] <abrotman> humping: go play elsewhere
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• 2480[16:12:54] <maddawg2> does debian have a firewall enabled by default?
• 2481[16:12:59] <abrotman> no
• 2482[16:13:07] <maddawg2> ok so that's not the damn problem
• 2483[16:13:09] <maddawg2> grrrrr
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• 2485[16:13:19] <maddawg2> cant get apache working over ssl for the damn life of me
• 2486[16:13:31] <maddawg2> it keeps refusing connection
• 2487[16:13:50] <abrotman> maddawg2: you can pastebin your configs, someone can check them
• 2488[16:14:09] <maddawg2> which config
• 2489[16:14:16] <maddawg2> apache has quite a few
• 2490[16:14:37] <maddawg2> it's also possible i have no clue where i'm supposed to be editing this stuff
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• 2494[16:17:03] <lisk0v> Ubuntu is better operating system than Debian.
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• 2496[16:17:23] <AlexLikeRock> lisk0v, , hhahahah
• 2497[16:17:26] <lisk0v> Debian is usually maintained by complete retards, Ubuntu is developed by real professional computer programmers.
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• 2502[16:17:36] <AlexLikeRock> ubuntu are based at DEBIAN TESTINGB
• 2503[16:17:42] <AlexLikeRock> TESTING ***
• 2504[16:17:45] <jelly> AlexLikeRock: don't feed the troll, please
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• 2507[16:18:15] <sillyme> maddawg2, try apache2ctl
• 2508[16:18:16] <AlexLikeRock> jelly, , ttanks , i forguet
• 2509[16:18:32] <AlexLikeRock> ^_^
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• 2512[16:18:41] <JeDa> weird that that tor relay isnt banned
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• 2514[16:19:01] <maddawg2> sillyme? for what?
• 2515[16:19:22] <sillyme> you wanted apachectl -S, use apache2ctl -S
• 2516[16:19:25] <AlexLikeRock> for a jelly
• 2517[16:19:35] <AlexLikeRock> jelly are my friend
• 2518[16:19:43] <sillyme> and -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS will show you where it's listening
• 2519[16:19:50] <apathor> hi. trying to figure out a debian package build system i did not setup - does dh_make or a related tool auto-generate a 'control' file?
• 2520[16:19:55] <maddawg2> ah yea i managed to get that the problem i'm having is figuring out why ssl is not working
• 2521[16:19:59] <Iridos> is there some program in debian that I could paste strace output to and it'd take all the \x34\x2f type things and convert them to ascii where that is possibe (kind of like "strings")
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• 2524[16:21:02] <han-solo> Iridos: are you sure it's all ascii?
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• 2528[16:21:44] <sillyme> maddawg2, didn't the error logs tell you anything? also you can check your conf with apache2ctl -t before reloading
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• 2530[16:22:25] <Iridos> han-solo, I'm pretty sure it's not… but if there's ascii stuff somewhere in there, that'd be the stuff I'd like seeing
• 2531[16:22:50] <maddawg2> sillyme: [Mon Dec 12 10:15:25.237131 2016] [alias:warn] [pid 1642] AH00671: The Alias directive in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default-ssl.conf at line 140 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier Alias.
• 2532[16:22:59] <maddawg2> which is odd because there is only one alias directive in there
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• 2549[16:26:55] <Iridos> oh, silly me, I had -x to strace… it's probably already doing that
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• 2557[16:29:08] <Iridos> comes from recycling old commandlines :-/
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• 2559[16:29:26] <han-solo> Iridos: i was trying to do that with printf
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• 2570[16:33:39] <Iridos> sorry, didn't notice I hadn't ruled out stupidity first
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• 2583[16:40:31] <afidegnum> i have activated fail2ban, and port knocking, now, i can't login
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• 2585[16:42:00] <toruvinn> "congrats"? ;-)
• 2586[16:42:30] <Walex> afidegnum: perfect security :-)
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• 2592[16:43:40] <Walex> afidegnum: presumbly it will be port-knocking not working or not being used right
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• 2594[16:44:26] <afidegnum> :D :D :D oh, you guys are wicked, i can't login and you claimed it to be perfect security ?
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• 2597[16:46:03] <Pelle`> what desktop enviroment would you recommend for a user that is new to linux (switching from win)... as retard proof as possible, its for my dad :)
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• 2599[16:46:21] <afidegnum> Pelle`: Debian is good
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• 2601[16:46:35] <afidegnum> fast, sleep,
• 2602[16:46:36] <maddawg2> afidegnum, debian is not a desktop environment
• 2603[16:46:38] <greycat> I've heard people recommend xfce for non-technical Windows converts.
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• 2605[16:46:51] <maddawg2> or kde is more windows like in appearance
• 2606[16:46:56] <AlexLikeRock> Pelle`, i recomend MATE desktop
• 2607[16:47:00] <maddawg2> but i hate both gnome and kde
• 2608[16:47:05] <maddawg2> too slow it seems for me
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• 2610[16:47:25] <Pelle`> yea i kinda dont like gnome or kde aswell.. but he might like it
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• 2612[16:47:37] <Pelle`> xfce is kinda neat last time i tried it
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• 2615[16:47:47] <sh00p> xfce needs a bit of tuning out of the box imo
• 2616[16:47:55] <afidegnum> the orginal gnome for debian is good, unless your PC is slow,
• 2617[16:47:59] <Pelle`> yea thats also true
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• 2619[16:48:38] <Pelle`> i think hes pc is kinda slow, like inte dual core 2-4gb ram i think
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• 2622[16:49:03] <greycat> For GNOME it's more about the video card.
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• 2627[16:49:35] <sillyme> and for everything else it's ssd vs hdd first
• 2628[16:49:39] <nopf> 
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• 2631[16:50:18] <Pelle`> mkay, might let him try xfce with a bit of tweaking...
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• 2634[16:51:18] <nopf> Pelle`: ubuntustudio is very well packaged around xfce
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• 2637[16:52:09] <Pelle`> thanks, ill have a look at it
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• 2640[16:53:45] <n4dir> intel dual core 2-4 Gigs Ram is considered slow? Pretty much the best i have here ...
• 2641[16:54:44] <sillyme> same here, good enough
• 2642[16:54:46] <n4dir> and xfce debian can handle well way less
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• 2653[16:56:58] <n4dir> ps_mem.py | tail -n 2
• 2654[16:56:58] <n4dir> 235.3 MiB
• 2655[16:56:58] <n4dir> lol
• 2656[16:57:14] <greycat> whatever that means
• 2657[16:57:26] <labia> hey
• 2658[16:57:55] <n4dir> greycat: it means if i have 4 Gigs and 3.7 of them idle, then getting me myslef 8 Gigs probably ain't worth it
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• 2661[16:58:07] <greycat> !free ram
• 2662[16:58:07] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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• 2665[16:58:50] <n4dir> well: i can't change it, it doesn't use much more
• 2666[16:59:42] <greycat> So 235.3 MiB was the amount of RAM currently in use? You obviously are not running one of the major graphical web browsers.
• 2667[16:59:49] <n4dir> seamonkey
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• 2669[17:00:12] <n4dir> but just started it. Yes, web-browser sure will make it grow
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• 2671[17:00:18] <greycat> I begin to suspect your python program does not do what you think it does.
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• 2676[17:01:26] <n4dir> this way or that way i sure have no idea why i would need more than 4 Gigs of Ram
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• 2678[17:02:36] <teraflops> n4dir: lucky you
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• 2692[17:05:55] <n4dir> not that lucky. RAM is cheap. If i needed more ...
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• 2694[17:06:13] <hui> Hi
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• 2698[17:07:53] <teraflops> n4dir: yeah unless it's solded and you can upgrade it
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• 2700[17:08:10] <sillyme> or your board is limited to 4gb
• 2701[17:08:10] <teraflops> cannot
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• 2704[17:08:26] <teraflops> indeed
• 2705[17:08:39] <sillyme> or it's ddr2 and 4gb modules are very cheap *not
• 2706[17:08:43] <n4dir> yeah, i got a few of such devices.
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• 2713[17:10:02] <sillyme> i've got another 2gb laying around and no place to put it, but i could use it though
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• 2715[17:10:45] <sillyme> chrome, atom and a virtualbox machine pretty much uses up all my 4gb + 4gb swap
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• 2727[17:13:06] <n4dir> slightly astonished that one needs quite a bit of Ram if one uses Virtualbox. :-)
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• 2730[17:13:57] <sillyme> well it's set use 1gb, so that shouldn't be to much, or at least i thought so
• 2731[17:14:48] <n4dir> i thought so too. uses as much as you give to it
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• 2735[17:15:15] <sillyme> well then it's chrome and chrome-developer-tools
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• 2738[17:15:49] <sillyme> ah and some java thing... ok i officially want more ram now
• 2739[17:16:06] <teraflops> the only obstacle for running a DE/WM in old devices are the web browsers
• 2740[17:16:24] <n4dir> for me sure it's the web-browsers
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• 2768[17:25:12] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: can't find any
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• 2771[17:25:19] <rafalcpp> whoops sorry, wrong key.
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• 2774[17:25:47] <rafalcpp> Are Debian's consoles always i UTF-8 mode, or is this quite common they can be in other mode (e.g. the virtual terminal)?
• 2775[17:25:51] <rafalcpp> in
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• 2777[17:26:26] <greycat> jessie/amd64 is utf8 by default. I can't speak for any other combos at the moment.
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• 2813[17:43:10] <oty> hey. Do you know how to toggle the wifi activation from commandline ? I got an annoying behviour : each time it boots/awake, wifi get activated and there is a combo key to do each time:(
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• 2855[17:54:20] <stoned> I accidentally pasted some C++ code in a bash terminal window last night, and unsure what it has caused, but now I can't do ls in ~/ it hangs and I can't even ^C out
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• 2858[17:54:38] <greycat> close the terminal, open another
• 2859[17:54:40] <stoned> File open/save dialogs don't work either, nothing shows up
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• 2863[17:55:16] <stoned> It hangs actually. I restarted the whoel system, ran fsck on the xfs drive /
• 2864[17:55:22] * jelly wonders if C++ code can do "chmod -x $HOME"
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• 2867[17:55:49] <stoned> I was basically just editing a vramfs source file and accidentlly clicked middl ebutton in terminal
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• 2871[17:56:46] <stoned> I restarted, and I did ls in ~/ and directory listing shows up. I moved this terminal to monitor 3. I started chrome, I try to open a jpg file to post somewhere, and the gtk open dialog hands when I click on /home/stoned
• 2872[17:56:54] <greycat> C comment markers /* and */ would both be expanded by a shell....
• 2873[17:57:04] <stoned> now it's gone again.
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• 2875[17:58:02] <stoned> I ran strace ls in a new terminal, let me see
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• 2879[17:59:40] <stoned> It lists all the files, and then exists like so: replaced-url
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• 2881[18:00:43] <stoned> if I do ls in new terminal, still hangs, no listing, konqueror hangs, everything system wide.
• 2882[18:01:01] <greycat> dmesg | tail
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• 2889[18:02:35] <stoned> Oh ffs.
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• 2892[18:04:04] <stoned> I bet I know wht it is. maybe...
• 2893[18:04:09] <jelly> maybe you just have three million files in ~ and it doesn't hang as much as go thru the directory index very very slowly
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• 2895[18:04:32] <stoned> Oh no, barely like 20-30 files and like 15 direc
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• 2897[18:04:55] <jelly> how many of those are random-7-character.jpg ?
• 2898[18:04:59] <stoned> I have a cifs mount /home/stoned/laptop which dmesg tells me times out. I'm trying to see whether this is making it hang. not sure why it would.
• 2899[18:05:11] <stoned> I have a script that takes shots and uplods to imgur
• 2900[18:05:16] <stoned> some I then dl to save for later
• 2901[18:05:21] <stoned> maybe like 20
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• 2904[18:05:44] <jelly> because ls -l and other stuff tries to stat() each entry in /home/stoned/, including that mount point
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• 2907[18:06:25] <stoned> replaced-url
• 2908[18:06:31] * jelly suddenly remember why he has a ~/mnt/ and mountpoints inside that, now
• 2909[18:06:44] <stoned> jelly: yes, I think so, b/c I have an ls alias tht does ls -alh or somethign weird
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• 2915[18:07:40] <jelly> smarter gui file manager probably do stat() asynchronously
• 2916[18:07:44] <jelly> managers*
• 2917[18:08:18] <stoned> jeez it won't let me umount the mount
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• 2926[18:10:34] <stoned> apparently that's not it.
• 2927[18:10:43] <stoned> I just randomly am now able to ls again.
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• 2931[18:11:02] <stoned> laptop is still mounted, and browseable. Maybe it came back? I dunno how ti could have been lost, Im on irc right now
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• 2934[18:12:06] <jelly> if you use sshfs or some other fuse-based thing, at least you can kill the backend process there to let the kernel release all locks
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• 2938[18:12:33] <stoned> no just cifs mount.
• 2939[18:12:59] <jelly> that alone makes it a lot more usable than cifs or nfs on unreliable networks
• 2940[18:13:14] <jelly> (all wifi is unreliable)
• 2941[18:13:23] <stoned> here' smy setup, I have a windows 10 laptop, catches free internet on wifi, then through windows Ineternet connection sharing, I share it with the laptop ethernet, and then I plug in a ethernet cable to laptop and desktop, and then on my debian desktop, I use dhcp.
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• 2943[18:13:36] <stoned> actually, I just disabled windows firewall on my l aptop and now I can freaking ls.
• 2944[18:13:50] <stoned> I wonder... goofy windows, I thought I allowed everything from my desktop ip yesterday
• 2945[18:13:53] <stoned> I swear to dog.
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• 2947[18:14:02] <m_robot> Anyone who can tell me how can a add a. Image to grub
• 2948[18:14:27] <m_robot> I already changed the resolution to preffered mode
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• 2951[18:15:03] <m_robot> How can i change the imagd of gfub
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• 2971[18:22:22] <stoned> In dmesg I saw the cifs timeout, which made me oh ffs.
• 2972[18:22:24] <stoned> :D
• 2973[18:22:44] <stoned> I think I foncigured the windows 10 firewall hopefully it's okay now
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• 2987[18:29:02] <bluzeophone> hey guys what the mascot name? i trying to do some research for an project
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• 2989[18:29:36] <greycat> What mascot?
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• 2991[18:29:42] <TomTomTosch> you mean tux?
• 2992[18:29:56] <bluzeophone> Debian - linux mascot is tux
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• 2994[18:30:09] <greycat> Tux is the Linux mascot.
• 2995[18:30:23] <TomTomTosch> and since when does debian have a mascot?
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• 2998[18:30:43] <bezaban> I'm guessing this is part of the research :)
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• 3007[18:31:29] <greycat> Unless he's talking about the Toy Story characters after which the releases are code-named.
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• 3028[18:35:00] <jelly> debian does not have a mascot, bluzeophone
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• 3031[18:35:40] <bluzeophone> ok guys. i thought Debian did since because a lot of projects do.
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• 3034[18:36:04] <sillyme> gnu has one
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• 3037[18:36:44] <abrotman> FreeBSD has one
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• 3047[18:38:00] <grift> debian does have some proposals is seems: replaced-url
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• 3050[18:38:45] <sillyme> muscanette
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• 3078[18:48:44] <saptech> Hello. On my thinkpad laptop, I've recently noticed when I type aptitude update & aptitude upgrade, the final output is showing a completely different look. It show files to be upgraded but then when it starts, all I get is a row of info. Has anyone noticed this behavior?
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• 3082[18:49:24] <saptech> A row with title and percentage only
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• 3092[18:52:56] <jelly> saptech: which debian release?
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• 3095[18:53:20] <jelly> saptech: can you put up a screenshot and point out your issue?
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• 3101[18:54:11] <saptech> jelly, Stretch actually, but wasn't getting an answer from debian-next. I'm not home at the moment
• 3102[18:54:43] <jelly> saptech: and tell us the _exact_ command you ran. "apt upgrade" is different from "apt-get upgrade" is different from "aptitude upgrade"
• 3103[18:54:50] <jelly> ,v apt
• 3104[18:54:51] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.3; sid: 1.4~beta1; stretch: 1.4~beta1
• 3105[18:55:01] <jelly> note the 1.4 apt in stretch
• 3106[18:55:39] <saptech> after doing aptitude upgrade, it show files to be upgraded, then when it starts, it only show 3 titles(can't remember at the moment) and percentage of downloading, I guess
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• 3110[18:56:06] <jelly> I'm going to wait until you can show actual output, sorry
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• 3112[18:56:17] <saptech> it does not show the files being upgraded like it used to do
• 3113[18:56:29] <saptech> ok, thnx
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• 3116[18:56:45] <saptech> i won't be home until around 5pm CST
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• 3384[20:35:07] <Toordog_> Hi, on debian 7.11, sssd 1.8.4 seems to have a bug where alternative AD server won't be used if the first server is unresponsive. is there an update available for this bugfix for sssd?
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• 3417[20:56:49] <odlalutra> hi, i need to install: replaced-url
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• 3419[20:57:56] <odlalutra> will i always need to manually recompile the free firmware as per the instructions here: replaced-url
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• 3422[20:59:46] <awal1> oldalutra: free firmwares are usually recommended bcuz of maintenance
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• 3429[21:02:27] <awal1> maintenance by the open source community and compatibility with open source software ^
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• 3433[21:03:24] <odlalutra> awal1: ok, thanks. will i need to recompile when kernel updates?
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• 3437[21:04:19] <greycat> If you're building a kernel driver yourself, NOT using a packaged one, then you'll need to rebuild it whenever your kernel's "uname -r" output changes.
• 3438[21:04:43] <greycat> Just doing "apt-get upgrade" within a stable release without backports should not change that, so should not require recompiles.
• 3439[21:04:58] <greycat> !kernel handbook
• 3440[21:04:58] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
• 3441[21:04:59] <odlalutra> nope, just building the firmware
• 3442[21:05:04] <greycat> there is no "just"
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• 3444[21:05:44] <odlalutra> greycat: i am on stable w/o backports.
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• 3447[21:06:07] <greycat> Then you should not have to rebuild a 3rd-party driver until you upgrade from jessie to stretch.
• 3448[21:06:56] <odlalutra> greycat: ok, thanks.
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• 3464[21:15:50] <lethu> hello I want to come back to open source amd graphics drivers after I have installed the closed source one from the amd site
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• 3475[21:22:59] <nano_python> lethu, You can find the installed drivers with "dpkg -l fglrx*"
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• 3477[21:23:22] <nano_python> And then you should be able to remove them with "dpkg -r package"
• 3478[21:23:24] <greycat> fglrx\* is safer.
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• 3480[21:23:52] <nano_python> greycat, What is the difference, never used \* before?
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• 3483[21:24:16] <greycat> fglrx* will be expanded by the shell based on the files in the current working directory; if none match that glob, then the glob is left alone and dpkg sees fglrx*
• 3484[21:24:40] <greycat> If any files match, dpkg sees fglrx-1.23-stuff fglrx-sucks fglrxbabyyeah ...
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• 3486[21:25:04] <zartarr> howdy fellas
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• 3489[21:26:44] <zartarr> I'm just trying to install Debian on an ASUS C201 ; I'm on the instructions page and require just some help setting up the SD card
• 3490[21:26:56] <zartarr> anyone game to try and spend a couple minutes with me?
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• 3496[21:30:06] <jhutchins> zartarr: Booting from the SD card?
• 3497[21:30:33] <zartarr> well on the website it says to setup a SD card on a desktop machine
• 3498[21:30:35] <jhutchins> zartarr: Are you planning to run the installer from the card, or do you want to install Debian on the card.
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• 3500[21:31:15] <zartarr> I have no preference, I just don't want to use google, I bought it specifically to do this. I want to do what you recommend as a long term useable solution for the machine.
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• 3503[21:31:35] <zartarr> I found the wiki, and then patiently waited for a good deal on an asus c201 and just purchased it.
• 3504[21:31:42] <jhutchins> zartarr: I have no idea what your machine is capable of or of how it loads it's OS.
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• 3506[21:31:58] <jhutchins> zartarr: What wiki?
• 3507[21:32:05] <zartarr> replaced-url
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• 3509[21:32:23] <zartarr> Its specifically created to setup Debian on the ASUS C201
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• 3515[21:33:26] <zartarr> I've done the easy part, which was written well to prepare the machine enable Developer Mode and USB/SD card boot. I'm on the part "Installing to an SD card using the ChromeOS kernal"
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• 3519[21:34:38] <zartarr> you know the blurb starts in a little grey box, that says [ # On a desktop machine ... ]
• 3520[21:34:56] <zartarr> I am having difficulty following that part buddy
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• 3552[21:51:00] <lethu> Hello again, I did "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon" then "aptitude purge '~ifglrx'" and "rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf" rebooted and got a fatal error with xorg and a black screen
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• 3569[22:04:47] <fguide> lethu: it seems you have leted xorg.conf and haven't replaced it with a valid config file
• 3570[22:05:09] <fguide> lethu: since you're installing radeon drivers, you could try running aticonfig --initial
• 3571[22:05:40] <mrrhq> Most radeon GPUs unfortunately also need linux-firmware-nonfree.
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• 3574[22:06:32] <fguide> ^ that as well
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• 3576[22:07:02] <grafdiffuzor> Hi! Just upgraded Chromium from 53 to 55 on Jessie, and bookmark toolbar / tabs font became small. Too small for convenient use. Wasn't able to google anything useful. Can you suggest a fix?
• 3577[22:07:22] <lethu> how to install linux-firmware-nonfree?
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• 3581[22:08:01] <lethu> on my system it's firmaware-linux-nonfree
• 3582[22:08:07] <fguide> lethu: apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
• 3583[22:08:10] <lethu> firmware
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• 3585[22:08:27] <mrrhq> You need to add the non-free repo in /etc/apt/sources.list
• 3586[22:08:38] <lethu> okay thanks mrrhq
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• 3595[22:09:24] <fguide> lethu: and after doing so don't forget to run aticonfig --initial to have a new xorg.conf file, unless you already have one backed up
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• 3599[22:11:13] <lethu> fguide, thanks I will try this
• 3600[22:11:16] <lethu> brb
• 3601[22:11:20] <klow> Is nagios still the standard in open source monitoring?
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• 3607[22:11:57] <preaction> i think the market got fragmented quite a bit. i use icinga2 now, because the nagios people turned into assholes
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• 3620[22:19:12] <jhutchins> zartarr: Sorry, dealing with a major screw-up by GoDaddy.
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• 3624[22:19:49] <zartarr> no worries, im thankful im just getting a response from somewhere out in outerspace
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• 3627[22:22:10] <adriano> Hi , i have lost my postfix password anyone can help me ?
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• 3631[22:22:25] <Guest51357> Hi , i have lost my postfix password anyone can help me ?
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• 3635[22:23:40] <Guest51357> Hi , i have lost my postfix password anyone can help me ? i have an acces at phpmyadmin but i have lost password of contact@***
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• 3640[22:25:00] <preaction> Guest51357: i suspect #mysql could help
• 3641[22:25:07] <greycat> Um, no.
• 3642[22:25:27] <preaction> oh, postfix password. via phpmyadmin?
• 3643[22:25:30] <greycat> #postgresql might, though.
• 3644[22:25:39] <greycat> Oh, postFIX not postGRES.
• 3645[22:25:46] <preaction> maybe they mean postgres?
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• 3647[22:25:49] <greycat> Wait, how does postfix even have its own password?
• 3648[22:25:54] <Guest51357> Yes postfix
• 3649[22:25:55] <preaction> yeah, i'm confused now
• 3650[22:25:59] <greycat> That makes zero sernse.
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• 3652[22:26:15] <Guest51357> Can i share a screenshot ?
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• 3654[22:26:42] <greycat> Are you talking about some a password for some mysql database of virtual users?
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• 3657[22:27:03] <Guest51357> replaced-url
• 3658[22:27:03] <greycat> If not, what is this password *for*?
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• 3660[22:27:20] <Guest51357> i wan't to create new email password
• 3661[22:27:35] <greycat> Email goes to users. Users have password. Emails do not have passwords.
• 3662[22:27:41] <Guest51357> and i've lost contact@***** password
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• 3664[22:27:52] <greycat> Is "contact" a virtual user of some kind?
• 3665[22:28:15] <greycat> Or did you define it as a regular Debian user?
• 3666[22:28:34] <greycat> Or is it just an alias defined in /etc/aliases (or similar) that redirects to your normal user account, which would be the normal procedure?
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• 3669[22:28:48] <lethu> hello again
• 3670[22:28:54] <Guest51357> Hum contact is a dovecot user
• 3671[22:29:00] <lethu> I don't have the command aticonfig --initial
• 3672[22:29:02] <Guest51357> it's not a real user
• 3673[22:29:27] <greycat> I never understood this fascination with virtual users.
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• 3676[22:30:29] <frikinz> not requiring to create real unix accounts?
• 3677[22:31:14] <Guest51357> Nop
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• 3679[22:31:27] <lethu> what is the package that can make aticonfig available in my system?
• 3680[22:31:36] <greycat> But creating real unix accounts is *easier*... and creating an alias is easier still.
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• 3682[22:32:10] <greycat> ,file aticonfig
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• 3684[22:32:13] <judd> Search for aticonfig in jessie/amd64: fglrx-driver: usr/bin/aticonfig
• 3685[22:32:16] <Guest51357> Yeah but my friend who installed that has doing this
• 3686[22:32:23] <frikinz> greycat: but useless if they don't need one? :) I'm currently creating unix accounts with /bin/false as shell though :)
• 3687[22:32:46] <lethu> okay judd thanks
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• 3694[22:35:11] <frikinz> Guest51357: replaced-url
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• 3697[22:36:30] <frikinz> Guest51357: and another one through phpmyadmin replaced-url
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• 3700[22:37:51] <Guest51357> Thhaaaaanks :D
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• 3702[22:39:05] <JyZyXEL> the latest debian chromium upgrade broke pulseaudio support for me :/
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• 3704[22:40:25] <JyZyXEL> a "security upgrade" that bumps up the version from 53 to 55 and breaks stuff ://
• 3705[22:40:26] <greycat> So there's a thing called "postfixadmin" and it has its own password which is completely separate from the root password and it stores this password in a mysql database, and people actually *use* this thing. Huh.
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• 3707[22:40:57] <JyZyXEL> i thought that wasn't really what security repository was supposed to be used as?
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• 3711[22:41:43] <greycat> Browsers are so flaky and unstable that security updates have to keep leapfrogging to the next supported long-term "stable" (haha) browser release.
• 3712[22:42:14] <greycat> At least with firefox-esr, this tracks Mozilla's long-term ESR releases. I don't know how it works in the chrom{e,ium} universe.
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• 3714[22:43:15] <JyZyXEL> i guess the upstreams model is just too non-debiany
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• 3716[22:43:26] <frikinz> greycat: could be from the creators of webmin :) yes I wondered what a postfix password was also..
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• 3718[22:44:03] <JyZyXEL> can't really even file a bugreport since im using backported pulseaudio 7.0 instead of the 5.0 in jessie
• 3719[22:44:29] <JyZyXEL> thought i guess i could downgrade back to jessies pulseaudio since my original trouble turned out to actually be a silicon bug
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• 3726[22:45:21] <techno2900> Hello, I would like to know how can I create a wifi hotsport and share a VPN connection on this hotspot on debian
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• 3730[22:46:13] <techno2900> Thank you in advance
• 3731[22:46:27] <jhutchins> !chromebook
• 3732[22:46:27] <dpkg> Debian may be installable on some models of Chromebook. Search the wiki: replaced-url
• 3733[22:46:36] <jhutchins> !chromebook
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• 3735[22:47:00] <jhutchins> Sry.
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• 3737[22:47:04] <techno2900> anybody have a answer ?
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• 3739[22:47:49] <jhutchins> ,v chromium
• 3740[22:47:50] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 53.0.2785.143-1~deb8u1; stretch: 53.0.2785.143-1; jessie-security: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1; sid: 55.0.2883.75-2
• 3741[22:48:07] <frikinz> techno2900: hostapd + reading + openvpn + reading and reading..
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• 3743[22:48:29] <techno2900> frikinz : I don't understand
• 3744[22:48:41] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: 53 had some serious problems.
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• 3746[22:48:50] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins: what problems?
• 3747[22:49:01] <JyZyXEL> at least it plays audio correctly :P
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• 3749[22:49:15] <JyZyXEL> v55 is a disaster in that regard
• 3750[22:49:16] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: I think all the changes were upstream, but it didn't spend much time in testing due to security being the problem.
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• 3753[22:50:04] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Certificate transparency was broken among other things. Many mainstream web pages wouldn't load or wouldn't render properly.
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• 3756[22:50:53] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Upstream recommended that no-one continue to use 53.
• 3757[22:51:10] <frikinz> techno2900: some links : replaced-url
• 3758[22:51:21] <techno2900> okay thanks :)
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• 3761[22:52:06] <JyZyXEL> ill have to test it with jessies pulseaudio tomorrow
• 3762[22:52:16] <JyZyXEL> but the v55 definitely does not work with PA 7.0
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• 3766[22:53:46] <frikinz> JyZyXEL: curious, what makes you choose chrom* over firefox?
• 3767[22:54:20] <JyZyXEL> oh, i only use chromium for things that require either Flash or pure performance
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• 3769[22:54:32] <JyZyXEL> and i use it for web-skype
• 3770[22:54:59] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: There's a significant speed improvement over firefox for me.
• 3771[22:55:09] <TamaMcGlinn> hmmm, /msg dpkg guidelines doesn't do anything in my irc client (I'm using weechat)
• 3772[22:55:13] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Especially inital load.
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• 3774[22:55:18] <frikinz> I see. I use it when I need js performance yeah
• 3775[22:55:22] <JyZyXEL> yes, chromium performs notably better in various aspects
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• 3778[22:55:33] <JyZyXEL> though it crashes _a lot_
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• 3781[22:55:47] <jhutchins> TamaMcGlinn: Should open a new tab/dialog.
• 3782[22:55:53] <JyZyXEL> the "Aw snap!"-sight is all too common
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• 3784[22:56:09] <JyZyXEL> plus sometimes you get syslog messages about chromium trying to exceed some memory limits
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• 3786[22:56:14] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: I can't recall it ever crashing on me.
• 3787[22:56:25] <JyZyXEL> its probably because of Flash
• 3788[22:56:29] <greycat> It's probably his memory limits.
• 3789[22:56:36] <jhutchins> JyZyXEL: Are you running it on something other than stable?
• 3790[22:56:56] <greycat> "I placed a memory limit, and it sometimes crashes, and oh yeah it says there is a memory limit exceeded"
• 3791[22:57:13] <JyZyXEL> well if there is a limit, it is the default limit
• 3792[22:57:22] <JyZyXEL> i certainly haven't set any limits
• 3793[22:57:24] <greycat> There is no default memory limit for processes in Debian.
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• 3795[22:57:46] <JyZyXEL> well for some reason i've gotten some kind of error message about that in syslog numerous times
• 3796[22:57:58] <greycat> Does "ulimit -a" on your system show limits where you would not expect them?
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• 3798[22:58:22] <greycat> (That won't be a pefect indicator because you might be setting ulimits in .bashrc which would not apply to DE-launched processes, but still.)
• 3799[22:58:40] <JyZyXEL> -d: data seg size (kbytes) unlimited
• 3800[22:59:01] <JyZyXEL> i suspect that is the one we are interested in?
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• 3802[22:59:16] <greycat> More like -v and -m
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• 3805[22:59:27] <JyZyXEL> both also unlimited
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• 3807[22:59:37] <greycat> Then I don't know. Google your exact error.
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• 3809[23:00:01] <JyZyXEL> i can't recall the error anymore
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• 3812[23:00:09] <greycat> Find it in the syslog file,
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• 3814[23:00:28] <JyZyXEL> i doubt my syslogs go that far back
• 3815[23:00:38] <greycat> 16:55 JyZyXEL> though it crashes _a lot_
• 3816[23:00:49] <JyZyXEL> not with that message though
• 3817[23:01:00] <JyZyXEL> that only occasionally appears
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• 3819[23:01:25] <JyZyXEL> the "Aw snap!" however makes almost a daily appearance
• 3820[23:01:39] <_bt> hi anyone using testing with openssl-1.1.0c-2 and dovecot / postfix?
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• 3824[23:01:59] <_bt> im getting SSL/TLS errors since upgrading and can't seem to fix them
• 3825[23:02:07] <greycat> The only problem I ever have with google-chrome (yeah I know, not chromium) is sometimes on startup it hangs and I have to kill one or more randomly chosen google-chrome processes to un-hang it. Then it's fine. I have no idea why it does that.
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• 3827[23:02:20] <JyZyXEL> firefox on the other hand has gotten Impressively stable
• 3828[23:02:29] <JyZyXEL> man that thing can get up to some serious uptimes these days
• 3829[23:02:34] <_bt> Dec 12 20:10:18 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[21610]: warning: TLS library problem: error:1417A0C1:SSL routines:tls_post_process_client_hello:no shared cipher:ssl/statem/statem_srvr.c:1422:
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• 3832[23:03:05] <c-c> _bt: so, can you install the cipher
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• 3834[23:03:34] <_bt> c-c: can you elaborate? nothing has changed with my configs and its the same message for dovecot and postfix
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• 3836[23:03:52] <c-c> _bt: perhaps $ apt-cache search crypt | grep lib
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• 3838[23:05:05] <c-c> _bt: I've no idea which cipher you might be missing, perhaps insted try $ apt-cache search crypt | grep tls
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• 3840[23:05:42] <frikinz> SSL errors are .. cryptic
• 3841[23:05:58] <c-c> IMO thats not a cryptic error
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• 3844[23:07:17] <_bt> i don't think ciphers are things that can be "missing"
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• 3847[23:07:29] <_bt> that error means the server and client cannot agree on a cipher
• 3848[23:07:35] <_bt> question is, why
• 3849[23:07:52] <Abbott> I am getting this error: replaced-url
• 3850[23:08:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1637
• 3851[23:08:03] <Abbott> Does this mean I have something bad in /etc/apt/sources.list?
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• 3858[23:09:02] <Abbott> or something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
• 3859[23:09:04] <c-c> _bt: you don't have to think so, because you can read the source, and learn that you are currently missing a suitable cipher library
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• 3861[23:09:32] <drasko> hi all, I ma gerring: fatal error: internal/bio.h: No such file or directory
• 3862[23:09:48] <drasko> it is openssl related. Any idea what I am missing?
• 3863[23:09:53] <c-c> _bt: another guess based apt-cache search openssl | grep cipher would be to install libghc-cipher-aes-dev
• 3864[23:10:02] <c-c> _bt: also, try googling your error message
• 3865[23:10:05] <mortal1> howdy folks, I've just gotten my first new laptop in a decade. What's the general conscensous on uefi / secure boot? should i turn it to legacy before i try and install linux?
• 3866[23:10:08] *** Quits: towo` (~towo@replaced-ip) (Quit: Leaving)
• 3867[23:10:26] <c-c> Abbott: this is not a ubuntu support channel
• 3868[23:10:31] <c-c> !notubuntu
• 3869[23:10:38] <c-c> Abbott: anyway, try #ubuntu
• 3870[23:10:40] <mortal1> *linux
• 3871[23:10:54] <unborn> Abbott: !ubuntu
• 3872[23:11:08] <mortal1> did i say anything about ubuntu?
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• 3874[23:11:21] <Abbott> c-c: I am using debian
• 3875[23:11:28] <c-c> drasko: not enough detail, pastie or gist input and/or commands, and output
• 3876[23:11:29] <Abbott> sorry, I didn't clarify
• 3877[23:11:51] <mortal1> wow i somewhat misread that chain
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• 3879[23:12:26] <c-c> Abbott: well, did you try replaced-url
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• 3881[23:13:06] <c-c> mortal1: from what I read on ##linux, theres no "general consensus"
• 3882[23:13:12] <unborn> c-c: originally what I saw from Abbott was replaced-url
• 3883[23:13:19] <Abbott> I saw that, but I figured it would be worth checking because it seems to pull keys from ubuntu.com, and I didn't know if that was going to break anything
• 3884[23:13:40] <Abbott> I will give that a shot thoguh
• 3885[23:13:41] <drasko> c-c, # github.com/zubairhamed/canopus
• 3886[23:13:42] <drasko> ../../zubairhamed/canopus/dtls.go:12:26: fatal error: internal/bio.h: No such file or directory
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• 3888[23:14:17] <bouzu> <drasko>: guess you're missing libssl-dev package
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• 3890[23:14:19] <c-c> mortal1: did you try: replaced-url
• 3891[23:14:20] <drasko> this line: replaced-url
• 3892[23:14:40] <c-c> Abbott: ubuntu.com has nothing to do with debian
• 3893[23:14:42] <drasko> bouzu, nope
• 3894[23:14:52] <c-c> Abbott: if you want help with ubuntu, go to #ubuntu
• 3895[23:15:04] <drasko> bouzu, libssl-dev is already the newest version (1.0.2j-1).
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• 3897[23:15:13] <mortal1> c-c: ty
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• 3903[23:16:56] <drasko> any idea how to check if libssl-dev headers are on the machine?
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• 3906[23:17:05] <drasko> Where should they be installed?
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• 3908[23:18:24] <bouzu> <drasko>: dpkg -L libssl-dev | grep bio.h
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• 3913[23:20:03] <Abbott> c-c: the link you just sent me uses a command that has ubuntu.com in it. My concern stems from your point that ubuntu doesn't have anything to do with debian, and that the command you sent me has ubuntu.com in it
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• 3916[23:20:16] <drasko> bouzu, it says /usr/include/openssl/bio.h
• 3917[23:20:17] <Abbott> I don't use an ubuntu machine or have any question related to ubuntu, but your answer did
• 3918[23:20:18] <c-c> bouzu: drasko I would type $ dpkg <hit tab three times>--list <type packagename>
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• 3920[23:20:30] <Abbott> this error is on a debian machine
• 3921[23:20:31] <c-c> Abbott: it does? my bad
• 3922[23:20:31] <drasko> but I am missing internal/bio.h
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• 3929[23:21:29] <c-c> Abbott: use the 2nd answer in that link! The one for debian
• 3930[23:21:36] <c-c> (63)
• 3931[23:21:51] <bouzu> <drasko>: they are different files... sorry no idea where this internal/bio.h should come from. the openssl include is one line above. didn't notice before
• 3932[23:22:09] <Abbott> okay, I will give that a try. Thank you
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• 3935[23:22:46] <c-c> bouzu: drasko that way you can see on the far left, what is the status of the package easily, ii for available+installed
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• 3937[23:23:33] <c-c> with dpkg -L you are guessing a little which package the files came from
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• 3940[23:24:24] <drasko> well - it should be this one: replaced-url
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• 3943[23:25:20] <drasko> apparently openssl 1.1 is needed
• 3944[23:25:22] <drasko> replaced-url
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• 3947[23:25:53] <drasko> but it is not available in Debian testing
• 3948[23:26:03] <TomTomTo1> drasko: file /usr/include/openssl/bio.h
• 3949[23:26:18] <c-c> yes, that file exists even in 1.0
• 3950[23:26:29] <drasko> TomTomTo1, it is not the same file
• 3951[23:26:55] <drasko> internal/bio.h != openssl/bio.h
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• 3957[23:27:38] <c-c> wb
• 3958[23:27:49] <drasko> thanks
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• 3962[23:28:07] <drasko> anyway - I have built openssl 1.1 from the source
• 3963[23:28:15] <drasko> and did `sudo make install`
• 3964[23:28:26] <drasko> but I guess it still finds 1.0 headers
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• 3966[23:29:11] <drasko> how to tell system to use v1.1?
• 3967[23:29:17] <c-c> drasko: could you make into a .deb package, and install with dpkg
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• 3969[23:30:00] <lethu> hello, I uninstalled the proprietary amd drivers, and after rebooting with the opensource amd drivers, I get to the login screen then when I login it returns to the login screen again with starting the de
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• 3971[23:30:18] <lethu> witohut*
• 3972[23:30:21] <drasko> c-c, I would if I knew how :)
• 3973[23:30:22] <lethu> without*
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• 3975[23:31:13] <velix> Sorry for asking in here, but I want to get a second/third view. The old administrator has run an old Dell PowerEdge 2900 server on ESXi with 2 LUNs (Debian hosts): database and webserver. I want to upgrade the system with an SSD and also upgrade the software. Shall I still go for ESXi or shall I go for "bare metal" using Docker? I want to run Nginx and PostgreSQL only. Is virtualization usefull at all here?
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• 3979[23:31:58] <c-c> drasko: sorry, I am not sure if you are the developer or just a enduser dev but perhaps this? replaced-url
• 3980[23:32:11] <frikinz> drasko: -Lthegoodpath ?
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• 3983[23:33:08] <drasko> c-c, yep, let me try
• 3984[23:33:09] <c-c> drasko: also, I wonder if you need to update some env variable for your current bash to find the compiled library package, depends where it is, I guess
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• 3986[23:34:29] <drasko> c-c, but I dount it will change the thisng - I did make install, and I guess that dpkg will keep the installation paths
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• 3988[23:34:51] <drasko> it is just that system finds previous libssl-dev headers first, I think
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• 3990[23:35:14] <c-c> drasko: dpkg does not keep track of 'oldschool' make & install -ed libs
• 3991[23:35:22] <c-c> neither does apt
• 3992[23:35:37] <drasko> sure, I know
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• 3995[23:36:12] <drasko> hmm, I do not know what -ed is, I must admit :)
• 3996[23:36:30] <bouzu> running ldconfig may help.
• 3997[23:36:38] <c-c> drasko: also, I still don't know anything but the github repo for canopus and the error you get from mystery action, so you leave us guessing
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• 3999[23:37:01] <c-c> drasko: "maked and installed" == "make & install -ed"
• 4000[23:37:25] <c-c> drasko: with that, enough guessing
• 4001[23:37:32] <c-c> good luck!
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• 4003[23:38:40] <drasko> c-c, I am waitning
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• 4006[23:39:11] <drasko> for depkg lock to be free (I did apt-get upgrade, and now it rows in the background ;))
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• 4014[23:41:20] <drasko> but while I am waiting just to explain - CoAP uses UDP, and thus needs DTLS. Which is missing in Go, so guys used C bindings with openssl. But apparently with 1.1 is mandatory. And I am using Debian testing, so v1.0 available.
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• 4018[23:42:18] <c-c> Useless to explain, since you don't provide a log of input and output via gist or a pastie
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• 4022[23:43:29] <drasko> c-c, I have no log - cgo is not very verbose
• 4023[23:43:38] <drasko> it gives me ony these two lines I pasted
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• 4028[23:44:24] <c-c> drasko: well, I guess guessing is ok so I guess this is yet another openssl library mismatch problem
• 4029[23:46:33] <themill> openssl 1.1 is in stretch btw
• 4030[23:47:00] <themill> ,v libssl-dev stretch
• 4031[23:47:01] <judd> Package: libssl-dev on amd64 -- stretch: 1.1.0c-2
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• 4037[23:50:10] <drasko> c-c, I'll let you know, as soon as I can proceed
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• 4041[23:51:02] <c-c> themill: do you run jessie?
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• 4044[23:52:01] <themill> Mostly. I have a selection of systems running stretch and sid (and I think I've got a couple of etchs and lennys out the back but don't tell anyone)
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• 4047[23:52:15] <velix> Anyone with an idea?
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• 4049[23:52:46] <c-c> themill: do you get smoke from adding stretch repos, and installing libssl-dev 1.1.0c-2 ?
• 4050[23:53:03] <themill> on jessie? that's not likely to be a good plan
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• 4053[23:53:59] <themill> If you don't know what you're doing, fiddling about with libraries isn't a good idea. Nor is fiddling about with crypto. Fiddling about with crypto libraries is clearly safe, however.
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• 4055[23:55:30] <c-c> themill: the idea was not to "fiddle", but to have both stables 1.0.1?? and stretch's 1.1.0C-2?? and see how it smokes or not
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• 4057[23:58:54] <themill> They might be coinstallable. You don't magically get existing applications using the newer library when you do this though
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