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11[13:33:59] <ghormoon> hi, is it worth reporting xorg crash if only thing I have is stacktrace and I'm not really sure what caused it? or is it pointless if it doesn't happen often? (most likely driver segfault?)
12[13:34:23] <petn-randall> ghormoon: Is everything supplied by Debian?
13[13:35:08] <ghormoon> depends, there are few apps (like skype) that are started over ssh -X using this X server
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15[13:35:28] <ghormoon> but on the host runnig X, i'm not aware of anything out of debian repos
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20[13:36:48] <ghormoon> stacktrace here: replaced-url
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29[13:42:56] <blackflow> Hello. Anyone knows which wine-development package do I need to run windows steam, if steam itself is 32-bit, but some games are 64-bit?
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40[13:52:17] <bolovanos> bunnypuncher, OSS looks great - will test it late. thank you
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42[13:52:34] <bunnypuncher> np
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58[14:04:30] <darxmurf> hum how does it works to scan over network with a MultiFunction Canon printer ?
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61[14:05:11] <p0g0> Printers should advertise themselves.
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64[14:05:26] <colo-work> using mDNS/avahi
65[14:05:33] <colo-work> aka zeroconf
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69[14:06:17] <darxmurf> sane is not detecting anything
70[14:06:31] <darxmurf> The printer is configured under CUPS it's fine
71[14:06:40] <darxmurf> but to scann it's a bit messy
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195[15:12:55] <tw> blackflow: you need both. iirc, they include different library implementations of 32 and 64 bit windows dlls.
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200[15:15:11] <blackflow> tw: I see, yes, both are installable at the same time
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291[16:06:44] <entvex> Hello
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302[16:11:19] <no_gravity> Strange, VirtualBox is showing with 100% CPU usage in top, but when I type '1' to see the usage of my 8 CPUs they all are at under 1%. What is going on?
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304[16:12:28] <nkuttler> no_gravity: top inside or outside the vm?
305[16:12:41] <no_gravity> nkuttler: outside
306[16:12:56] <darxmurf> time to go, have a good week-end folks
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311[16:15:26] <no_gravity> I never knew top could show high CPU usage for a task while CPU usage overall is low.
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313[16:16:38] <no_gravity> Oh, I see! It is under 'sy' not 'us'. So looks like Virtual Box is running as a system something.
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315[16:17:21] <no_gravity> No I wonder why Virtual Box is using 100% of one CPU even though the guest OS (Win10) is idle.
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321[16:20:01] <ws2k3> can i install nagios from the debian repo?
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327[16:23:22] <babilen> ws2k3: Why wouldn't you?
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329[16:23:49] <babilen> But then .. you might want to look into icinga/icinga2
330[16:23:50] <ws2k3> babilen i cant find the package but its probarly just me
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334[16:25:24] <jhutchins_wk> ,v nagios
335[16:25:25] <judd> No package named 'nagios' was found in amd64.
336[16:26:13] <babilen> ws2k3: Well, I'd install icinga and nagios-nrpe-server on the clients (or icinga2)
337[16:26:25] <babilen> Not sure what happened to plain nagios
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339[16:26:31] <babilen> (the server that is)
340[16:26:37] <ws2k3> i see alot of plugins but not nagios-core
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342[16:26:54] <babilen> judd: v nagios3
343[16:26:55] <judd> Package: nagios3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.1-3+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.4.1-3+deb7u3; wheezy-backports: 3.4.1-5~bpo7+2; jessie: 3.5.1.dfsg-2+b1
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345[16:27:18] <babilen> As I said: Use icinga(2)
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348[16:29:26] <jhutchins_wk> babilen: Interesting, aptitude doesn't seem to find that.
349[16:30:36] <jhutchins_wk> I guess because I'm on stretch, duh.
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353[16:31:47] <ws2k3> seems icinga is a fork of nagios
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385[16:51:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> uh nagios
386[16:51:54] <tw> When did the behavior of tar -T change? In wheezy, I could do echo -e "/var\n/var/replaced-url
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389[16:53:07] <r3> jhutchins_wk: That memory error I asked about yesterday, I had googled and finally sent an e-mail to the manufacturer of the hardware and I got an answer that I thought I would share: Nothing to worry about unless I get them a lot, it was probably a cosmic ray!
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393[16:53:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> why not simply go for a sharp stick in the eye
394[16:54:03] <jhutchins_wk> r3: Yeah, kinda looked like ecc doing it's job.
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403[16:56:51] <r3> jhutchins_wk: as I hadn't ever seen that, I am sure glad of ECC then. One never wants to see an 'announcement' type error on every 'screen' about a memory error. Even if it *says* no action required, it is still unpleasantly unexpected! :) And I am old enough to remember when ECC was a new technology or something that you could specify in server builds
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413[16:58:09] <r3> whereas now I think it is just ubiquitous and all memory has ECC, because sure, why wouldn't you want it?
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415[16:58:41] <jhutchins_wk> r3: Actually, non-ecc ram has become reliable enough that ecc is mostly only used in high-end server apps.
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420[16:59:17] <r3> huh, well I've been out of the loop for a while, so that's also interesting to know
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426[17:01:56] <tw> what are modern bit error rates? I still expect them to be not-so-great.
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431[17:03:19] <jhutchins_wk> That's deeper into the hardware than I get these days.
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433[17:04:58] <r3> there can't be *that* much of a price difference between ECC and non-ECC RAM? I am not sure I've ever consciously chosen non-ECC
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438[17:05:19] <tw> Given modern memory bandwidth, even if BER is 100 times improved over 2008 levels, I'd still be uncomfortable without ECC.
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443[17:06:20] <Sia-> hi
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446[17:07:42] <jhutchins_wk> ECC is lower scale of production. Fewer motherboards, fewer sticks, more per piece.
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453[17:09:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> we schedule ram to be replaced (or at least re-plugged) if we see more than 20 ECC errors per week
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457[17:10:03] <jhutchins_wk> CutMeOwnThroat: How do you monitor for them?
458[17:11:00] <tw> My LOM thing records ECC error events.
459[17:11:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> ipmi to a bmc
460[17:11:56] <CutMeOwnThroat> basically count events in ipmiutil sel elist, the internal log
461[17:12:20] <r3> in case you missed it, this was the error: replaced-url
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463[17:12:51] <JordiGH> What's the current state of the art on nouveau?
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465[17:13:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, looked in the backlog… and just looked in our logs and dmesg on one node… couldn't see an error that looks like this
466[17:13:10] <JordiGH> I accidentally bought a laptop with nvidia thinking it had intel graphics, and I really don't want to deal with the nvidia blob.
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468[17:13:27] <tw> r3: that looks like an on-die error, not a DIMM error.
469[17:13:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> ours from the bmc log look like this: 016b 05/26/17 07:11:30 MIN Bios Memory #08 Correctable ECC, DIMM[10] 6f [a0 12 0a]
470[17:13:53] <r3> correct, as this is a SoC-type system and then memorry is soldered onto the board
471[17:14:12] <JordiGH> Fuck, googling for this just gives me a bunch of hits on how to install the nvidia blob instead of nouveau.
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473[17:15:02] <tw> r3: No, I mean on the CPU silicon. "error in L2 data array" very likely means in the CPU L2 cache which is inside the CPU package, not soldered separately on the board.
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475[17:15:16] <r3> ah
476[17:15:30] <r3> yesh, the L2 cache, right
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479[17:16:11] <tw> If it doesn't happen again, I'd ignore it, but if it keeps happening, that cpu + board might be done =(
480[17:16:14] <r3> but you're also right that it isn't a DIMM error ;)
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483[17:17:23] <r3> tw, yes, that was my thinking, and why I had finally e-mailed the manufacturer
484[17:17:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, right
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486[17:17:47] <r3> CutMeOwnThroat: got any aged meat pies?
487[17:18:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> prime named animal products
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490[17:18:09] <r3> :)
491[17:18:12] <JordiGH> So how is installing the nvidia blob in Debian these days?
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494[17:18:58] <tw> really easy actually.
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496[17:20:11] <tw> JordiGH: replaced-url
497[17:20:31] <tw> one edit, two commands, and a reboot.
498[17:21:05] <JordiGH> And nouveau can't handle an nvidia from 10 years ago, can it?
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502[17:21:47] <JordiGH> Everything about nouveau online just seems to say "this is how you blacklist it, get rid of it, uninstall it, burn it to the ground".
503[17:22:06] <tw> It'll probably be fine. I don't know the state of the art there, I only use mine for cuda which needs the nv proprietary.
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505[17:22:35] <JordiGH> I really think it's awful how we've decided that the only way to do fast calcultions is to use the blob.
506[17:22:40] <JordiGH> And everyone is happy with it.
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509[17:23:29] <kopper> Contractual status and presentation of the overall approach
510[17:23:43] <kopper> Lol
511[17:23:45] <JordiGH> Lol
512[17:23:48] <kopper> Clipboard surprises
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514[17:24:08] <tw> cuda is proprietary NV tech. there's opencl and directly coding your own shaders if you want to do that, but the cuda compiler makes it really easy to work with.
515[17:24:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> that may just be because you looked for nouveau on debian, and it's the default and if it works, it just works… and anywone seeking help about it wants to burn it to the ground
516[17:24:11] <kopper> I should disable right-click paste
517[17:24:28] <JordiGH> tw: Yep, blobby is nice. Blob blob blob.
518[17:24:42] <JordiGH> replaced-url
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529[17:28:30] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: I had no trouble installing the Nvidia drivers from their package. Just ran the script, it took care of dkms and blacklisting and everything.
530[17:28:57] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: I know it re-compiles each time the kernel is updated, so it's at least not entirely a binary blob.
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533[17:31:24] <tw> The kernel abi isn't stable, so it recompiles the linking shim. It's mostly blob.
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543[17:35:33] <JordiGH> jhutchins_wk: Fuck, I can't believe I accidentally bought an nvidia laptop.
544[17:35:38] <JordiGH> Curse you, ebay seller, for not being clear.
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546[17:36:28] <BuggedouT> lmao
547[17:36:31] <somiaj> what nvidia card is in it? nouveau does let you use the machine, and shoudl work fine on older cards, usually its the newer ones that have problems with it (or optimus)
548[17:37:02] <JordiGH> It's from 10 years ago.
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550[17:37:17] <tw> does the cpu support intel gma?
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554[17:37:26] <dTal> I thought nouveau was pretty sharp now
555[17:37:27] <JordiGH> I don't know?
556[17:37:29] <somiaj> and nouveau isn't working, i'm kinda surprised. There is the old nv driver that may work too.
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558[17:37:38] <dTal> but I wouldn't know, I don't have any nvidia machines
559[17:37:51] <JordiGH> geforce 8400 gs, I think.
560[17:37:51] <tw> Try it first, you're probably worrying over nothing.
561[17:37:55] <somiaj> dTal: it is fairly poor in comparsision to nvidia's driver.
562[17:38:07] <JordiGH> tw: Well, I do like to play games. Like Nexuiz.
563[17:38:14] <JordiGH> I think I'm doomed to the blob.
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565[17:38:32] <somiaj> at least on newer hardware, older hardware I think it is okay. Susposally nvidia helped clean up some of it for older cards that they no longer support.
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567[17:38:50] <dTal> JordiGH: since when are you a man of compromise
568[17:39:04] <somiaj> JordiGH: so you tried nouveau and it didn't work?
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570[17:40:40] <JordiGH> somiaj: No, I guess I'll try it.
571[17:40:48] <JordiGH> dTal: I'll see how nouveau fares.
572[17:40:58] <JordiGH> Otherwise... not sure what I'll do.
573[17:41:07] <JordiGH> All I really wanted was the motherboard to replace a burnt one.
574[17:41:28] <somiaj> JordiGH: from what I have heard, nouveau should work just fine on older cards. Though that is a fairly old card and might not work to well on games (even with the non-free blob)
575[17:41:32] <JordiGH> I think I may still be able to buy a motherboard, but that came without a CPU. And I'm not sure if the mobo or the CPU is burnt. I can also apparently buy the CPU online from a different seller.
576[17:41:37] <somiaj> well newer games
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578[17:41:51] <JordiGH> somiaj: I play old games. I mostly want it for mednafen.
579[17:42:02] <JordiGH> That's about the hardest I expect to push the card.
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581[17:42:53] <somiaj> as I said, nvidia actually did help clean up nouveau for older cards that they no longer support. Also you would have to use a legacy blob, and most of the 'scary' stuff I have heard about the blob is only in the newer versions whihc would be worthless for that card
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584[17:43:58] <tw> from mednafen: "Higher-performing discrete video cards are preferable, but anything with similar or better OpenGL performance to an NVidia GeForce 9500GT should be fine."
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587[17:44:17] <JordiGH> tw: Mednafen deals great with the same laptop but intel graphics.
588[17:44:42] <JordiGH> I'm sure it will work great with this old nvidia. I just don't know if it will work great with nouveau.
589[17:44:44] <tw> Probably set then, you can usually switch back to intel graphics without activating the NV one.
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591[17:44:53] <JordiGH> wait what
592[17:44:59] <JordiGH> It *also* has intel graphics?
593[17:45:17] <JordiGH> As a fallback?
594[17:45:19] <tw> Probably. Intel has been baking graphics hardware onto the CPU die for a long time.
595[17:45:32] <JordiGH> oh boy
596[17:45:34] <tw> As a low-power co-gpu. That's what PRIME/OPTIMUS is.
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598[17:45:45] <JordiGH> Okay, let me open this up and see what I can do with it.
599[17:45:47] <r3> not uncommon, really
600[17:46:10] <somiaj> tw: 10 years ago, I thought optmius was newer than that, though I guess it started to appear on the sceen about 2010 which is close to 10 years ago...hmm
601[17:46:20] <tw> Dunno, what's the CPU model?
602[17:46:24] <somiaj> JordiGH: I would just try nouveau before you look for alternatives
603[17:46:26] <tw> we can look it up on ARK and find out.
604[17:46:51] <JordiGH> Intel core 2 duo
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611[17:49:10] <JordiGH> Processor ID 06FB, says in the bios.
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615[17:51:26] <tw> Not likely as likely in that generation. c2d doesn't have embedded graphics onboard. They still had it on certain variants of the chipset at that point (G-series chipsets).
616[17:52:04] <JordiGH> Alright, I'll try my luck with nouveau.
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627[17:54:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, nouveau
628[17:54:55] <dpkg> The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro). Nouveau <DRM> is part of the Linux kernel, the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration. replaced-url
629[17:55:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> someone probably called that up, right?
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632[17:55:30] <jelly> nouveau should be there by default anyway
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683[18:17:11] <leptone> I installed some system packages with `apt install <package>`
684[18:17:22] <leptone> what is the correct way to uninstall them?
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691[18:17:33] <leptone> `apt uninstall <package>` ??
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694[18:18:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> did you look in "man apt"?
695[18:18:29] <leptone> i dont have man :/
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697[18:18:41] <leptone> can i `apt install man` :)
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701[18:19:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's man-db
702[18:20:21] <leptone> man-db apt?
703[18:20:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> and how come you don't have it?
704[18:20:40] <leptone> `apt install man-db`
705[18:20:41] <leptone> ?
706[18:20:46] <leptone> idk
707[18:20:50] <leptone> its a VPS
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710[18:21:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> the package with man in it is named man-db…
711[18:22:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> but I thought everyone except maybe phones would have it
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715[18:24:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> and yes… probably apt install man-db
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717[18:24:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> and it's apt remove package or, including config it's apt purge package to remove things
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726[18:25:31] <somiaj> ran across this yesterday, seems debootstrap maynot install man-db by default, and if the vps is using a minimial debootstrap to build their images it could have been over looked
727[18:25:44] <somiaj> !standard
728[18:25:44] <dpkg> i heard standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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730[18:26:13] <somiaj> leptone: ^^ useful thing to do if you want to ensure you have all the standard utilities.
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734[18:27:20] <leptone> this guy
735[18:27:20] <leptone> aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant
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737[18:27:59] <leptone> -bash: aptitude: command not found
738[18:28:04] <somiaj> leptone: yup, that will ensure you have all the standard packages installed. For the most part one should, though there are thigns in there not all will need
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741[18:28:19] <leptone> so `apt install aptitude`
742[18:28:28] <somiaj> leptone: in that case install aptitude
743[18:28:30] <somiaj> yea
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745[18:28:48] <somiaj> I think the biggest thing one may see in those packages that you may not need is wifi stuff, since a vps won't need that
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751[18:29:26] <somiaj> and as always look at the packages that are being installed, if you think to much is being installed, just cherry pick the stuff you really need
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763[18:31:19] <m8> Hi, during Debian installation, i can select a GPT partition table? or this options is in expert install only?
764[18:31:31] <leptone> somiaj: by autoremove ing the ones i dont want?
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766[18:32:49] <somiaj> m8: the partition table it creates depends on how the installer boots. If you boot in efi mode it will use GPT, if you boot in legacy mode it will use MBR. I think if you awnt more control then this, you have to manually make the partition table not using the installers tools (note you can additionally install partd/cfdisk as a .udeb in the installer/expert mode, hit ctrl-alt-f2, and manually create it
767[18:32:55] <somiaj> before that part
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769[18:33:24] <somiaj> ledufakademy: well autoremove is not the correct term. My suggestion was more install the ones you want, but yes, if there are things you don't want, you could remove/purge them after
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771[18:33:42] <somiaj> ledufakademy: opps, lepton left, nevermind the bad tab completion.
772[18:33:48] <m8> somiaj, thanks
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801[18:48:38] <bachler> does anyone have any knowledge regarding installing debian on a QNAP TS221 NAS server? There seems to be a bug in all current releases preventing me from installing(it crashes during installation). Any help would be appriciated
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806[18:50:24] <somiaj> what exactly crashes? Sometimes you can get around installer issues by just manually installing with debootstrap
807[18:50:45] <Pikudoz> JustASlacker: hi, have you heard about freenx...?
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810[18:51:28] <Pikudoz> it's a good way to remote session in linux
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813[18:54:19] <rozie> Pikudoz: ssh
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839[19:05:24] <JustASlacker> Pikudoz: thats the free version of nomachine?
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841[19:06:00] <JustASlacker> freenx is oldschool
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843[19:06:05] <JustASlacker> its called x2go now
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845[19:06:15] <JustASlacker> so, yeah, Ive heard about it
846[19:06:22] <JustASlacker> thanks for the suggestion
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848[19:06:45] <JustASlacker> but as it turned out my problem were all caused by PEBKAC, so Im happy with xrdp for now
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854[19:10:44] <derooz> hey, how do you launch the terminal with the keyboard?
855[19:11:10] <petemc> alt f2 , type terminal
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859[19:12:15] <derooz> hmm, nice, I didn't know about alt f2 thanks petemc
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907[19:28:49] <warai_otoko> Hey hey!
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909[19:28:55] <warai_otoko> does anyone know:
910[19:29:21] <warai_otoko> will "Jessie" be the last Debian for powerpc ever?
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914[19:30:26] <greycat> If it's not supported in stretch, then I wouldn't expect a future release to bring it back.
915[19:30:45] <JordiGH> If disco isn't dead, neither is powerpc.
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917[19:31:37] <warai_otoko> thanks, JordiGH :D
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920[19:32:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> there's #debianppc here on freenode and on irc.oftc.net… I guess somebody there would know
921[19:32:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> here AND on*
922[19:33:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, I wrote that
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926[19:36:18] <kopper> :D
927[19:37:50] <JordiGH> warai_otoko: I may have some bad news about disco...
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929[19:39:52] <warai_otoko> I don't know which channel I recently checked on OFTC, but seemed dead :/
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947[19:50:06] <alphis> hey i just did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and...openvpn has decided to uninstall itself...
948[19:50:11] <alphis> any ideas why that would happen
949[19:51:52] <greycat> that shouldn't happen if openvpn was fully installed, unless you really typed dist-upgrade instead of upgrade
950[19:52:25] <warai_otoko> define "uninstall itself", please
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956[19:54:35] <alphis> wait nvm
957[19:54:37] <alphis> wrong box lol
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964[19:58:42] <password4> in debian , if i forgot my wifi password but is still connected , s there somewhere in terminal i can look to find it?
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969[20:02:03] <soul-d> if you can login into your router you can usaly find it in plain text there
970[20:02:13] <soul-d> under wifi section
971[20:02:15] <xJaM> I've managed to install from clean and new laptop Debian stable. Afterward I've bungle with kernel and added drivers (or whatever are they called in Linux world :-)
972[20:02:32] <xJaM> But now I have problems with update of the kernel.
973[20:02:56] <xJaM> Drivers for wi-fi I mean.
974[20:03:00] <soul-d> also try "password"1 to 10 :P
975[20:03:34] <password4> soul-d, :D
976[20:03:40] <xJaM> I just ignore update of kernel when I apt-get stuff.
977[20:03:45] <password4> i just got off my lazy ass and looked on the physicalrouter
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986[20:08:07] <grumble> I have just installed a new system and selected the C locale as default in the installer. I have realized that's a bad idea because some programs require UTF-8 locales.
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988[20:09:08] <grumble> After installing the "locales" package and "dpkg-reconfigure"ing it (had it generate the en_US.UTF-8 locale and selected that as default when it asked), it still insists on setting my locale to C when I ssh in. Is there some setting that I have missed?
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1001[20:16:59] <somiaj> grumble: when you did dpkg-reconfigure locale what did you choose as the default, usually you should choose 'none', and then let the shell configure its own locale. In this case it could be your ssh client over the machine setting the default
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1005[20:18:20] <grumble> somiaj: I had chosen "en_US.UTF-8". Having chosen "none" now, LANG isn't even set when I ssh in :|
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1007[20:19:21] <somiaj> where are you sshing in from (What client)?
1008[20:19:52] <grumble> my laptop, openssh (on opensuse)
1009[20:19:53] <somiaj> I don' tknow the details, but you can override settings in your .bashrc if needed
1010[20:20:37] <somiaj> and the locale settings are just fine on your opensuse machine (as in they are set) as my understanding choosing none, the ssh client should be able to set the locales it uses.
1011[20:20:55] <somiaj> but I only know the vague basics of how this works, I can't really give you more detials
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1014[20:21:29] <somiaj> for example here my lang isn't set, even locally, though that may explain some of my problems with utf-8 characters not showing up in irc, i'm just use to that.
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1030[20:31:13] <somiaj> grumble: replaced-url
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1034[20:33:24] <grumble> somiaj: well, "AcceptEnv LANG LC_*" is in the server's sshd_config and "SendEnv LANG" is in mine :/
1035[20:33:29] <grumble> (client one, that is)
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1048[20:36:57] <somiaj> grumble: what is the LANG setting on your opensuse client, check 'locale'
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1050[20:38:00] <grumble> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 - that's fine and it works when ssh'ing to another debian machine
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1052[20:38:42] <somiaj> hmm, strange. If you just set LANG=en_US.utf8 on the debian machine does it work. I don't know why it isn't being honored.
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1055[20:40:04] <grumble> yes it does
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1057[20:40:59] <somiaj> you could set it in your .bashrc or .profile, won't solve the actual problem of why it isn't being honored, but at least it will get you the locale you want.
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1059[20:42:19] <grumble> !
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1064[20:43:29] <grumble> found this in the .profile: replaced-url
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1067[20:43:41] <grumble> i find it interesting that the installer generates a /root/.profile like that
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1074[20:46:44] <somiaj> grumble: check /etc/skel
1075[20:48:01] <somiaj> grumble: but that does not look standard, cat /etc/skel/.profile, on my systems the .profile doesn't look like that, maybe something in how you setup added that.
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1078[20:48:12] <greycat> /etc/skel is for user account dot files, not /root/
1079[20:48:45] <somiaj> so i'm unsure what is triggering the installer to force the C local there, but on my systems I don't have the extra stuff added in my /root/.profile
1080[20:48:59] <jhutchins_wk> changing /etc/skel/* will only affect new users.
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1082[20:49:27] <somiaj> I was incorrectly thinking that /root/.profile was generated from /etc/skel, to point out it usually doesn't include the locale settings
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1130[21:11:20] <mDfRg> ?
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1144[21:16:25] <user4711> widevine (package "chromium-widevine") seems not to be noticed by chromium, "widevine" does not occur in the list presented by "chrome://components". Setting at "chrome://settings/content/protectedContent" is "on". Any suggestions?
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1148[21:18:35] <chadwin> hey guys.....wazzzup!!!
1149[21:18:44] <j0chn> whassup
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1151[21:19:55] <chadwin> just kicking it here for a while. I really like debian and im rediscovering IRC
1152[21:21:24] <j0chn> just waiting to have a problem with my fresh deb 9 install and instantly spamming questions to that problem ;)
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1154[21:21:56] <Nicolas__> Hello ;)
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1157[21:25:01] <Nicolas__> I have a question, I need to install kernel 4.14 because my hardware is too new. On the 4.9 LTS kernel. I have some problems so is it possible without breaking my Debian 9.3 system? Thank you Translated with replaced-url
1158[21:26:07] <somiaj> Nicolas__: you will just have to wait.
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1160[21:26:20] <Mathisen> or switch dist :)
1161[21:26:23] <somiaj> Nicolas__: currently 4.13 is in stretch-backports, if 4.13 will work for you, you can install the kernel from backports
1162[21:26:31] <greycat> the stretch backport kernel is 4.13 for now
1163[21:26:38] <somiaj> or you can wait until 4.14 makes it into buster, and then will be backported usually fairly quickly after that
1164[21:27:03] <somiaj> (or you can compile your own kernel)
1165[21:27:11] <Mathisen> arch is @ 4.14.4-1-ARCH right now if you want to use another dist
1166[21:27:44] <jhutchins_wk> Nicolas__: Are you sure your hardware is supported in 4.14?
1167[21:27:51] <Nicolas__> Oh, I'll try the kernel, I never test them. Are the Nvidia drivers compatible? If I upgrade, should I delete Nvidia or update the driver? Translated with replaced-url
1168[21:27:57] <Nicolas__> Yes
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1170[21:28:40] <somiaj> Nicolas__: unsure, nvidia drivers are another thing that is usually backported. I'm unsure if the stretch driver will compile against that kernel, but if you have the dkms package installed and install the kernel headers you can find out.
1171[21:28:46] <jhutchins_wk> Nicolas__: You will have to re-install the Nvidia drivers if you haven't configured them for dkms.
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1174[21:30:18] <Nicolas__> I made this command in the apt-get terminal install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-settings nvidia-driver linux-headers-$ (uname -r) Translated with replaced-url
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1177[21:31:05] <somiaj> Nicolas__: just install the kernel and headers from backports, and it should work. If not you will see an error when linking the nvidia driver to the newer kernel.
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1179[21:32:06] <Nicolas__> If I have a mistake I make to fix this? I will be without a PC during the installation. How did they say better prevention than cure hihi
1180[21:32:43] <greycat> if you break the new kernel somehow, you can typically just boot the older one
1181[21:33:05] <greycat> if you broke the system fundamentally, you can always reinstall. you shouldn't lose much time since you've not done anything yet.
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1184[21:34:26] <Nicolas__> Perfect. Thank you for your help;) I will install the new kernel. Translated with replaced-url
1185[21:34:45] <n4dir> does anyone know about a firefox-addon for cookies, what i want is to not allow them generally, but on the sites where i do need them. All i find deletes cookies, this way or the other.
1186[21:35:07] <n4dir> until now i used cookie-manager. I am searching for a similar replacement
1187[21:37:30] <n4dir> cookie-monster, sorry
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1200[21:49:24] <Nicolas__> Bad news the kernel is not compatible with the version on debian 9: # What should I do? Can I install a Nvidia version from sid? Translated with replaced-url
1201[21:49:59] <Nicolas__> I mean not compatible with Nvidia. Translated with replaced-url
1202[21:50:01] <Nicolas__> sorry
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1212[21:55:11] <jhutchins_wk> Nicolas__: What hardware are you trying to support?
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1214[21:57:03] <Nicolas__> GTX 1080 Ti
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1217[21:59:52] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, I have that. You don't need a newer kernel.
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1220[22:00:07] <jhutchins_wk> Just the 375 driver from Nvidia.
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1222[22:00:31] <jhutchins_wk> (I think that's the version. Whatever's current LTS from them will work.
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1224[22:01:11] <jhutchins_wk> The Debian nv module doesn't support it, but the one from Nvidia does.
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1227[22:02:15] <jhutchins_wk> Nicolas__: A lot of the drivers are built/packaged with the kernel, but there are many that aren't, especially network & video, some sound.
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1230[22:03:40] <Nicolas__> So I should build my kernel and add some option in the kernel for better support of my hardware? Translated with replaced-url
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1233[22:04:25] <jhutchins_wk> Nicolas__: Use your existing kernel and the drivers from Nvidia.
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1238[22:05:27] <Nicolas__> Ok I'll try;) Sorry about my English: / It's not my native language Translated with replaced-url
1239[22:05:43] <jhutchins_wk> Nicolas__: You're doing fine.
1240[22:06:28] <JordiGH> What's with the advertising?
1241[22:07:22] <Nicolas__> It's a beautiful community here. I'm very happy with the support. Compared to others (Archlinux) Thanks again my friends Translated with replaced-url
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1247[22:10:26] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: For the translator?
1248[22:10:33] <JordiGH> Yeah.
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1250[22:10:54] <JordiGH> Nicolas__ doesn't respond to CTCP VERSION.
1251[22:11:13] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: It could be useful to know that it's machine translated, especially if it comes out odd.
1252[22:11:24] <jhutchins_wk> Nicolas__: He's on a web gateway.
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1254[22:11:40] <lone-wolf> I want get packet chromium-browser, but when i found, it return this replaced-url
1255[22:12:02] <jhutchins_wk> ER JordiGH. Nicolas__ knows what he's on.
1256[22:13:49] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: It's a pretty good translator, does more idiomatic syntax than just word-for-word.
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1259[22:14:19] <JordiGH> No translator ever does word-for-word. Not even the dumbest initial versions of Babelfish did.
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1261[22:14:25] <jhutchins_wk> !chromium
1262[22:14:26] <dpkg> Chromium is an open source web browser produced by Google, based on WebKit. Google Chrome is based on Chromium. Ask me about <pepper flash>. replaced-url
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1264[22:14:43] <JordiGH> I'm glad it's a good translator, but that advertising on every message is really annoying.
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1266[22:15:07] <JordiGH> Sent from my Debian
1267[22:15:12] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: There are often people here who could benefit from knowing about it. I'm 50/50 - it's not commercial.
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1270[22:15:25] <JordiGH> Oh well.
1271[22:15:27] <JordiGH> Sent from my Debian.
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1273[22:15:39] <greycat> I also feel that advertising your translator's URL on every IRC line is too much.
1274[22:15:52] <jhutchins_wk> JordiGH: Right, exactly the same kind of thing. (...but on the same line at least).
1275[22:16:06] <JordiGH> It should just be on /quit or something. Sent from my Debian.
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1279[22:16:49] <greycat> Or just on the first message in each channel, resetting if you're inactive for 60 minutes or something.
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1282[22:17:21] <jhutchins_wk> I see a value in knowing that a conversation is machine translated more than just at the beginning/end. Yeah, greycat, that would be more ideal
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1288[22:19:05] <ryouma> "[ru->en] whatever"
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1328[22:40:24] <Deflate> Hey
1329[22:40:39] <Deflate> how to link a folder and including files inside to some other directory?
1330[22:40:40] <cheers> hey
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1332[22:40:53] <colossal> guys i download the gnome desktop-environment and it keeps me showing this thing (synaptic:4530): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
1333[22:41:32] <greycat> you tried to run synaptic in an 'su' session?
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1335[22:41:48] <greycat> or maybe 'sudo'?
1336[22:42:01] <colossal> ok wait ill try
1337[22:42:08] <greycat> No, I am asking WHAT YOU DID.
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1339[22:42:20] <colossal> sudo synaptic
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1341[22:42:25] <colossal> thats all
1342[22:42:26] <greycat> Because those are examples of things that would cause that kind of error.
1343[22:42:44] <greycat> Right. Got it on the second guess. You can't run it with sudo, because sudo nukes your environment.
1344[22:43:24] <colossal> im trying to run synaptic and other tools
1345[22:43:27] <greycat> !gksu
1346[22:43:28] <dpkg> gksu is a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. «aptitude install gksu». If you have set your machine up with sudo to allow you to run any command you want, then you can make gksu use "sudo" mode all the time by running "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1". Also ask me about <sux>.
1347[22:44:30] <colossal> so that means i have to install gksu?
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1354[22:47:40] <jhutchins_wk> colossal: That or learn to use the command line tools.
1355[22:48:16] <jhutchins_wk> colossal: Display errors are the least of the problems that running GUI tools as root can cause.
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1364[22:52:55] <neogeo_fsmtw> hi folkzn00b q but cano
1365[22:53:15] <neogeo_fsmtw> ech
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1367[22:53:55] <neogeo_fsmtw> n00b q but not sure if GIYF for this - a good irc client for console?
1368[22:54:25] <neogeo_fsmtw> using irssi in chroot on Android, seems to have a thing abt sasl
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1370[22:55:03] <neogeo_fsmtw> can't connect from under chroot; irssi working OK directly in Termux
1371[22:55:50] <neogeo_fsmtw> so not sure of any good console irc client for the android chroot space
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1375[22:56:35] <neogeo_fsmtw> with sasl support, siracha a la carte
1376[22:56:48] <j0chn> !winetricks
1377[22:57:24] <j0chn> can anyone tell me the repo uri for sozrclist of winetricks
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1379[22:58:06] <neogeo_fsmtw> j0chn: there's a project url for winetricks somewhere probly
1380[22:58:38] <neogeo_fsmtw> deb pkg info or otherwheres
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1383[22:59:56] <j0chn> Official Mirror: ftp.br.debian.org
1384[22:59:56] <j0chn> but apt-get cant find winetricks
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1447[23:36:39] <Mathisen> j0chn, do you have contrib in sources.list ?
1448[23:36:45] <Mathisen> as winetricks is there
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1455[23:42:43] <j0chn> deb replaced-url
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