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• 56[01:30:54] <Guest397> can i ask a question about ubuntu
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• 58[01:31:49] <alex11> why not use the ubuntu support?
• 59[01:32:09] <Guest397> because i got banned
• 60[01:32:15] <Guest397> for asking an debian question
• 61[01:32:22] <Guest397> im a troll
• 62[01:32:35] <cluonbeam> That'd do it.
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• 162[02:46:24] <zerocode> cd /mnt
• 163[02:46:25] <zerocode> mount -t proc proc proc/
• 164[02:46:25] <zerocode> mount -t sysfs sys sys/
• 165[02:46:25] <zerocode> mount -o bind /dev dev/
• 166[02:46:25] <zerocode> chroot /mnt
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• 174[02:53:02] <zerocode> how can i remove passwds for skype/chromium apps etc
• 175[02:53:06] <zerocode> perm
• 176[02:53:16] <zerocode> pam?
• 177[02:53:28] <FuzzyByte> wdym
• 178[02:53:42] <FuzzyByte> electron applications require you to type something?
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• 181[02:54:27] <zerocode> seahorse not helps
• 182[02:54:31] <zerocode> i want empty
• 183[02:54:33] <zerocode> perm
• 184[02:55:06] <cluonbeam> What?
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• 191[03:01:31] <crestfallen> hi how do I set the keyboard to type diacritical characters like spanish accents (debian 10) thanks
• 192[03:01:43] <crestfallen> under Keyboard -> Typing there is not a (disabled) alternative characters key
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• 205[03:09:03] <TheSHAD0W> Howdy... Can debian/buntu support the Samsung 8K TVs without messing around with modes manually yet?
• 206[03:10:12] <sney> good question, is support in the linux kernel?
• 207[03:10:38] <TheSHAD0W> I've been googling around and not finding anything.
• 208[03:10:46] <TheSHAD0W> So asking in ##linux would be better?
• 209[03:11:06] <sney> that's a wild west support channel. looking at changelogs on kernel.org would probably be more informative
• 210[03:11:43] <sney> nobody has asked in here about 8k displays that I've seen, and theoretically there isn't a resolution limit on what you can do with xorg, but that's all I've got
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• 213[03:12:26] <n4dir> lol. wild west support channel. hitting the nail
• 214[03:13:27] <TheSHAD0W> Not finding much of anything, too many people with samsung email addresses contributing. :-P
• 215[03:13:34] <TheSHAD0W> I mean, that's a good sign, I think...
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• 219[03:17:23] <somiaj> I wonder if ##hardware would know how well hardware is supported by the linux kernel, my guess is it is probabaly display driver dependent.
• 220[03:17:35] <TheSHAD0W> Yeah, ##linux just suggested that.
• 221[03:17:47] <TheSHAD0W> I *think* the video card was capable, but not sure.
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• 224[03:18:06] <somiaj> well driver not card, sometimes drivers can't use all the cards abilities
• 225[03:18:07] <sney> TheSHAD0W: every samsung display I've dealt with has been very standard, so I would suggest searching for 8k support in general
• 226[03:18:16] <TheSHAD0W> Hm. TY.
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• 229[03:27:43] <crestfallen> Hi I used this command to try to toggle over to a Spanish keyboard : $ setxkbmap -layout "us,es" -option grp:win_space_toggle
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• 231[03:28:31] <crestfallen> but how to type accented characters (can't see which keyboard I am on; so far the keyboard is US standard.
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• 233[03:28:57] <mnathani> Trying to install the zabbix agent on Proxmox, and I get : apt install zabbix-agent >> zabbix-agent : Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1) but it is not installable >> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
• 234[03:29:08] <somiaj> !proxmox
• 235[03:29:08] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 236[03:30:20] <sney> what's with all of the proxmox lately? did they buy ads somewhere?
• 237[03:30:46] <somiaj> could be the same three people still having trobule with it.
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• 239[03:32:26] <TheSHAD0W> Thanks folks.
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• 242[03:34:30] <crestfallen> is this correct for toggling keyboards? $ setxkbmap -layout "us,es" -option grp:win_space_toggle
• 243[03:36:31] <crestfallen> I don't understand .. anyone help with this? thanks
• 244[03:37:35] <sney> libxkb is voodoo for me but check replaced-url
• 245[03:37:57] <crestfallen> sney, thanks!
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• 474[08:33:03] <aslmx> aloha. I hope i can ask questions here ;) ... i failed to read properly and instead of using "losetup --detach" i tried to force the "reset"/removal of a loop device by removing it (rm)... now i do not have /dev/loop0 any more, but "losetup -f" will report /dev/loop0 as the first free loopdevice... what can i do... is there a way to recreate it?
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• 480[08:36:21] <sney> afaict, /dev/loop0 doesn't exist unless it's been created specifically to match a file that you can mount as a loopback device.
• 481[08:36:49] <sney> there is no /dev/loopX on my buster or bullseye systems.
• 482[08:37:55] <aslmx> well i used /dev/loop0 for cryptsetup with a Luks Container. When i failed to close that container in thought it was a good idea ot remove the /dev/loop0 - but it wasn't ;)
• 483[08:38:20] <aslmx> not sure... did you load the loop device kernel module? i read somewhere that it might not be loaded by default
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• 486[08:38:51] <aslmx> at least for me the the devices were existing... but now /dev/loop0 is not (but 1-7 or 8 are) ... and losetup -f reports /dev/loop0 to be the first...
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• 488[08:39:12] <aslmx> i can still use /dev/loop3 or 6 or whatever, works fine, but i want to script it and need losetup -f to report the first loop device correctly
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• 490[08:40:24] <sney> I used losetup to create /dev/loop0 from an iso that I had hanging around, and I got a block device with major number 7 and minor number 0, so you could theoretically recreate the same thing with 'mknod /dev/loop0 b 7 0' but that may or may not account for anything else going on
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• 494[08:44:31] <sney> abbreviated output replaced-url
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• 504[09:07:38] <fub> Hi. Trying to copy a huge file (41G) from one pc to another via scp. Sending small files (Few KB works), sending the huge file results in a permission denied. What can be the problem here?
• 505[09:08:27] <fub> replaced-url
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• 510[09:10:40] <fub> (even trying this as root gives a permission denied)
• 511[09:10:48] <johnjay> fub: idk try bisecting? make file larger until you reach the prohibited size.
• 512[09:10:52] <johnjay> maybe 3.99G?
• 513[09:11:09] <fub> johnjay: who defines a limit?
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• 515[09:11:25] <fub> bisecting with `split`?
• 516[09:11:29] <fub> its a binary file
• 517[09:11:30] <johnjay> idk. FAT file system in this example but could be anything
• 518[09:11:35] <fub> its ext4
• 519[09:11:35] <johnjay> computers are weird sometimes
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• 522[09:12:53] <johnjay> out of curiosity what does the command file `which scp` return?
• 523[09:13:16] <fub> its /usr/bin/scp
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• 527[09:13:43] <johnjay> yes but it's the file part i want
• 528[09:13:51] <johnjay> as in the command "file"
• 529[09:14:46] <fub> here: /usr/bin/scp: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, BuildID[sha1]=03f11a175dd71e306ae9ad0cde2fd246d3274fca, stripped
• 530[09:15:01] <fub> let me try to pull instead of pushing
• 531[09:15:04] <johnjay> ah ok. this stackoverflow answer said maybe you have a 32-bit scp
• 532[09:15:13] <johnjay> and that would limit you to 4GB
• 533[09:15:31] <johnjay> also you might try rsync instead
• 534[09:15:55] <fub> pulling: same
• 535[09:17:06] <johnjay> when you say small, how sm all
• 536[09:17:16] <johnjay> like less than 1MB?
• 537[09:17:46] <fub> johnjay: yes
• 538[09:17:50] <fub> should I try a bigger one?
• 539[09:17:53] <fub> rsync: send_files failed to open "/home/robin/Dokumente/Win10": Permission denied (13)
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• 541[09:18:29] <fub> it cant be a read problem, can it?
• 542[09:18:33] <fub> can files be "locked"?
• 543[09:18:38] <fub> (the VM is in use)
• 544[09:18:44] <johnjay> this is over wifi or wired?
• 545[09:18:51] <fub> wired
• 546[09:19:03] <fub> its instantly denied, so I dont think a single byte is sent
• 547[09:19:28] <johnjay> ok this is my last idea. try sending file of 1200 bytes vs one of 1500 bytes
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• 549[09:19:43] <johnjay> this stackoverflow question is saying maybe the router MTU is the problem
• 550[09:19:54] <johnjay> (use dd to create the file)
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• 553[09:21:24] <fub> let me frist try to shut down the VM before
• 554[09:22:23] <fub> ok, does not matter
• 555[09:22:56] <fub> oh wait, it works now
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• 558[09:26:36] <johnjay> \o/
• 559[09:26:43] <johnjay> good
• 560[09:27:27] <aslmx> sney: replaced-url
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• 564[09:36:33] <fub> johnjay: thanks for help
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• 576[09:44:49] <johnjay> np
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• 578[09:45:06] <johnjay> i know what it's like to be frustrated and nobody out there
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• 621[10:44:19] <hegemoOn> where could i find make specialist ?
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• 623[10:45:35] <alex11> just ask your question and someone will get around to it, or try #gnu
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• 658[11:28:31] <Haohmaru> ##workingset iirc
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• 697[11:56:56] <hegemoOn> i dont think it's difficult issue, but pretty new to make, inside my folder i have like 10 asm files, each are standalone, and foo.asm -> foo.o -> foo
• 698[11:57:07] <hegemoOn> bar.asm -> bar.o -> bar
• 699[11:57:18] <hegemoOn> i would like to not declare 10 targets
• 700[11:57:44] <Haohmaru> *shrug*
• 701[11:57:44] <hegemoOn> but find something more generic which load all *.asm and produce it's associated binary using nasm and ld
• 702[11:57:52] <Haohmaru> i use an IDE and don't speak asm
• 703[11:58:14] <hegemoOn> well, it can be done in 10 lines of shell
• 704[11:58:23] <hegemoOn> but wanted to do it more dev way using make
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• 706[11:58:44] <Haohmaru> did you try ##workingset ?
• 707[11:59:01] <Haohmaru> i think that was the channel for make stuff
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• 730[12:20:02] <hegemoOn> ok will look at it
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• 736[12:26:21] <nedbat> hi, i maintain a popular python package (coverage.py), and would like to understand more about how it gets packaged for debian. Where would I find the repo(s) where that work happens?
• 737[12:28:14] <Haohmaru> i think that's more on OFTC
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• 739[12:32:29] <nedbat> Haohmaru: i don't know what that is
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• 741[12:33:04] <Unit193> OFTC is the IRC network Debian is officially on, this channel is just for user support really.
• 742[12:33:06] <Haohmaru> OFTC irc network, i think also the debian irc network
• 743[12:33:15] <nedbat> i see
• 744[12:33:44] <Haohmaru> the more serious debian channels are there, while this channel here is for convenience to all the freenode folkz
• 745[12:33:56] <Haohmaru> for debian-stable users
• 746[12:34:16] <Unit193> But with regards to the packaging repo, see replaced-url
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• 749[12:36:35] <nedbat> thanks!
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• 751[12:37:13] <jelly> are you calling this channel unserious?!?!? The nerve!
• 752[12:37:41] * Haohmaru gives jelly a solidifying pill
• 753[12:37:45] <Haohmaru> that'll fix things
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• 755[12:39:13] <nedbat> Unit193: that was exactly what i needed, thanks
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• 757[12:39:45] <Unit193> nedbat: Happy to help.
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• 761[12:44:42] <ratrace> !next
• 762[12:44:42] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 767[12:47:36] <H4ndy> in terms of filesystems, is it more common to call something a folder or a directory in the linux world?
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• 771[12:51:29] <Ede|Popede> i never understood that folder thing. even DOS had DIR, in 9.x i think they started using system folders and home folders suddenly. and on linux i have the impression folders are a DE thing.
• 772[12:52:16] <nedbat> folders came around with the rise of guis. an icon for a directory would be... what? an icon for a folder? easy.
• 773[12:53:25] <Ede|Popede> just like these strange "Apps" everyone's talkin' about these days. win 3.x had an Applications group, but just to distinguish them from system tools and games.
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• 777[12:55:36] <Ede|Popede> maybe directories was too technical when we suddenly had Computers for the Masses. but everyone likes a clean white-collar job in an office, and there we there were folders already.
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• 779[12:56:01] <nedbat> Ede|Popede: exactly
• 780[12:56:35] <H4ndy> The skeuomorphism designs for GUI didn't help either I guess
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• 783[12:57:00] <Ede|Popede> may also so be they (windows team?) wanted to express the difference between real directories and the crap they made up on top of them. there's no "My Computer" as there is no "Desktop" at the top level. or "Network Shares" or w/e.
• 784[12:57:15] <Haohmaru> get your greasy fingers off of my folderz
• 785[12:57:54] <Ede|Popede> remember when MS came up with a clickable desktop in the form of a real world office with a filled desk with a calendar and drawers, a shelf, a wall calendar and what not?
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• 787[12:58:08] <Haohmaru> Ede|Popede pics?
• 788[12:58:23] <Haohmaru> which crapdows is that?
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• 792[12:58:50] <Ede|Popede> must have been 3.x
• 793[12:59:10] <Haohmaru> ah, no idea.. my first comput0r came with win98
• 794[12:59:26] <Ede|Popede> i bought a discount version of some i think norton interface, which at least made *some* sense. but this one..
• 795[12:59:31] <Haohmaru> before that i thought computers are those white TVs with green text on them
• 796[12:59:46] <nedbat> Ede|Popede: maybe this? replaced-url
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• 798[13:00:17] <Haohmaru> is that the lamp of aladin?
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• 801[13:01:02] <Ede|Popede> nedbat: may be i was thinking of a later version of this one, i can remember a window on the right side of the screen (all work and no play makes jack a dull boy)
• 802[13:01:40] <ratrace> (and a pickaxe murderer)
• 803[13:01:53] <Haohmaru> (o_O)
• 804[13:02:26] <ratrace> (Just ask miss Wendy Torrance)
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• 810[13:06:40] <depesz> Hi. I have very limited debian 10 installed inside kvm. And it gets/sets nameserver to something (I guess) it gets from DHCP - 172.30.17.1 - how can I figure out what is setting this dns server, and how can I *stop* it, and use another dns server?
• 811[13:06:51] <depesz> If I edit /etc/resolv.conf, it gets rewritten periodically
• 812[13:08:30] <ratrace> depesz: dhclient probably. you can configure it not to update resolv.conf :: replaced-url
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• 816[13:10:05] <ratrace> (just don't do the chattr hack. that's..... terrible, horrible, borderline criminally insane, bannable offense)
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• 818[13:10:56] <Haohmaru> the what hack?
• 819[13:11:33] <ratrace> chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
• 820[13:11:40] <Haohmaru> areplaced-url
• 821[13:11:45] <Ashleee> yess that's the best way ratrace ! :D
• 822[13:11:48] <Ashleee> I have done that plenty times
• 823[13:11:49] <CommunistWolf> in debian, it's resolveconf, and you can give it a static file to add, I forget exactly where
• 824[13:12:01] <depesz> ratrace: THANKS A LOT.
• 825[13:12:03] <Ashleee> resolvconf or networkmanager
• 826[13:12:03] * Haohmaru calls the cops on Ashleee
• 827[13:12:11] * ratrace calls FBI
• 828[13:12:16] <Ashleee> feel free to
• 829[13:12:19] <Ashleee> I am angry right now
• 830[13:12:19] <depesz> added supersede things to dhclient.conf, did the ifdown/ifup dance, and it works now.
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• 833[13:12:47] <ratrace> I don't think resolvconf package is installed by default in debian any more.
• 834[13:12:50] <Haohmaru> Ashleee the cops are gonna be angrier when they haven't finished their donuts
• 835[13:13:21] <Ashleee> I have a serious need for punching right now. Never done it but I hear it feels great
• 836[13:13:28] <CommunistWolf> if it's # Generated by networkmanager, you can simnply override the DNS config for the interface
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• 838[13:13:48] <Ashleee> after spending lots of old dinosaurs and time on mortgage that you cannot get because the house is used for somebody else's debt
• 839[13:14:13] <Ede|Popede> [postscriptum] so it was Microsft Bob replaced-url
• 840[13:14:57] <Haohmaru> is that winME?
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• 842[13:16:04] <dudz> good work Ashleee
• 843[13:16:31] <Haohmaru> okay, i hate this dog already
• 844[13:17:02] <Ede|Popede> like everyone else back then :D
• 845[13:17:19] <Haohmaru> did they make this dog before or after the paperclip?
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• 849[13:20:35] <Ede|Popede> it was called "an os design around clippy". right before win95 was out
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• 851[13:21:29] <Haohmaru> i've never heard about this
• 852[13:21:37] <Haohmaru> but i've seen SongSmith x_x
• 853[13:21:48] <Haohmaru> on pootube i mean
• 854[13:22:15] <dudz> good way to say youtube is stupid Haohmaru
• 855[13:22:24] <nickname123> [13:14] <Haohmaru> is that winME? <-- it's win98 second edition replaced-url
• 856[13:23:08] <Haohmaru> ah, right
• 857[13:23:26] <Ede|Popede> Norton Desktop btw: replaced-url
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• 859[13:24:16] <Ede|Popede> the WMs of those days were also a pita sometimes. either no docs, or you had to restart them after hacking the static config file....
• 860[13:25:04] <Haohmaru> win98 and winME's UI were sane.. everything afterwards looked ugly
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• 862[13:25:53] <Haohmaru> (i always turn off those menu animations tho)
• 863[13:26:18] <dudz> you can turn winxp to classic
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• 865[13:26:30] <Haohmaru> and i do, but it's not quite the same
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• 868[13:26:53] <Haohmaru> even crapdows7 here
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• 870[13:27:10] <Unit193> I think this has strayed a bit from Debian support.
• 871[13:27:12] <dudz> i used to be in the winbl0ws group now i dont mind windows
• 872[13:27:26] <Haohmaru> true
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• 874[13:27:31] * Haohmaru shutz up
• 875[13:27:48] <dudz> linux is nicer, but only because i've been using it for so long now
• 876[13:28:30] <Haohmaru> linux is my only option, given the way M$ and other OSes "progress"
• 877[13:28:56] <dudz> it's good for old hw to use linux, i still run core2duo's
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• 879[13:29:12] <Haohmaru> same, core2quad is my fattest machine
• 880[13:29:32] <dudz> s775, i got an am4 not long ago for about $50 from ebay
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• 882[13:29:39] <Ede|Popede> they just should stay away from blingly copying concepts from the commercial OSes.
• 883[13:29:46] <Ede|Popede> or better, desktops.
• 884[13:29:52] <Haohmaru> who they?
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• 886[13:31:44] <Ede|Popede> desktop makers. GUI programs.
• 887[13:32:23] <grummund> Why would pgrep not match a process name but plain grep does? - replaced-url
• 888[13:32:26] <Haohmaru> at least there's options on linux
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• 892[13:38:37] <Ede|Popede> Haohmaru, filemanager. i never could live with what MS came up with, dosshell was what its name suggests, a hell to work with. fileman.exe was their only usable incarnation, but only meant to make norton not switch from dos to windows, just like IE vs Netscape Navigator later. bundle a free tool with your OS and most people won't bother looking for alternatives, no matter how horrible it is. even more if they'd have to pay for them. cli/terminal
• 893[13:38:37] <Ede|Popede> integration on the linux desktop is far better, so xterm/mc is pretty fine. only it is ncurses, which sometimes is delimiting.
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• 895[13:42:07] <Ede|Popede> so on windows i went with total commander (after using some norton clone on dos), integrates fine with a cli, nice addon system, including image and video preview inside its pane, which all doesn't work in mc of course. double commander could jump in being a GUI fm, but it doesn't. the concept of embedding widgets isn't bad after all.
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• 909[13:54:35] <Haohmaru> lxde/pcmanfm ftw
• 910[13:54:49] <Haohmaru> i'm also eyeballing lxqt
• 911[13:56:04] <Haohmaru> pcmanfm is great, it can mount/unmount stuff, and it can connect to ftp sftp servers
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• 935[14:28:26] <mzajc> Greetings! I am facing some issues with the Nvidia proprietary driver version 450.57 on a Debian Bullseye system with a GeForce RTX 2060 Mobile, KDE version 5.17.5, and Qt 5.14.2. Whenever I suspend and resume, switch to a VT, or anything that causes a graphics reset, it will cause some KDE settings related windows (I have tried a couple other Qt and OpenGL programs, all seem to work fine) to black out some parts. Examples: replaced-url
• 936[14:28:27] <mzajc> image.png (main screen), replaced-url
• 937[14:29:50] <mzajc> On an unrelated side note, it seems that someone is using the pastezone to distribute child pornography. I haven't checked the actual URLs, but they could as well be what they say they are: replaced-url
• 938[14:31:09] <mzajc> Oh, wait, sorry, I just remembered I should ask in #debian-next.
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• 957[14:50:41] <no_gravity> When I plug my phone into my laptop, it mounts to /run/username/userid/gvfs/somelongstring. Root cannot access that dir. Why is that?
• 958[14:52:07] <jelly> no_gravity, a FUSE-based filesystem only allows access to actual user that mounted it by default
• 959[14:52:41] <no_gravity> jelly: How does it do that? Does Linux has a permission flag for it?
• 960[14:53:00] <jelly> there's usually an allow_root option to pass if you mount a FUSE fs manually, it is not default
• 961[14:53:18] <jelly> I don't know how it works
• 962[14:53:22] <no_gravity> jelly: I see. Do you have an idea how I could mount the phone manually, so that I can override the options?
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• 967[14:53:50] <jelly> not really. Can you do things as normal user instead?
• 968[14:54:48] <jelly> perhaps there's a Gnome / GVFS approved way to pass allow_root
• 969[14:55:03] <no_gravity> jelly: I could emulate it by having root running every command with "sudo -u normaluser ...". But I have other problems when trying to backup the phone, so I would prefer to keep things simple.
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• 971[14:57:01] <jelly> I'd do a web search for gvfs allow_root
• 972[14:57:19] <no_gravity> Yeah, doing it right now.
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• 974[14:58:04] <no_gravity> Seems to be pretty complicated.
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• 983[15:08:39] <no_gravity> Update: I installed jmtpfs which lets you mount the phone from the command line. It seems to work fine.
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• 985[15:08:49] <grummund> Why would pgrep not match a process name but plain grep does? - replaced-url
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• 992[15:15:46] <no_gravity> grummund: Does it match "watchdo"?
• 993[15:15:57] <no_gravity> grummund: Aka, if you ommit the "g" in "watchdog"?
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• 995[15:17:22] <grummund> no_gravity: no
• 996[15:17:52] <grummund> ah, wait ... "pgrep swatch" works
• 997[15:18:12] <no_gravity> grummund: One more datapoint
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• 1000[15:19:57] <no_gravity> Here, pgrep matches "chromium-browse" but not "chromium-browser" \o/
• 1001[15:20:31] <grummund> "pgrep -f /usr/bin/swatchdog" works
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• 1003[15:21:15] <no_gravity> A mistery
• 1004[15:21:57] <grummund> processes can change their name but the command line is what ps shows, i think.
• 1005[15:22:28] <no_gravity> So chromium-browser changed its name to chromium-browse?
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• 1007[15:22:56] <grummund> yeah i think so, there's an option to ps but i can't find it.
• 1008[15:23:04] <no_gravity> You think what?
• 1009[15:23:24] <grummund> that chromium-browser changed its name to chromium-browse, if that's what you see.
• 1010[15:23:37] <no_gravity> What do I see?
• 1011[15:23:55] <grummund> <no_gravity> So chromium-browser changed its name to chromium-browse?
• 1012[15:23:58] <grummund> ^ that.
• 1013[15:24:05] <no_gravity> grummund: I dont see that. That was a question.
• 1014[15:24:15] <no_gravity> What I see is that pgrep matches "chromium-browse"
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• 1016[15:24:35] <grummund> which suggests that chromium-browser changed its name to chromium-browse.
• 1017[15:24:45] <no_gravity> I doubt that. Why would it.
• 1018[15:24:53] <grummund> *shrug*
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• 1020[15:25:18] <no_gravity> And why would your swatchdog change its name.
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• 1022[15:25:26] <no_gravity> I think we are missing something about pgrep.
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• 1024[15:26:21] <grummund> *shrug* again, except swatchdog used to be called swatch so maybe the legacy name is still in code.
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• 1026[15:26:44] <grummund> might also be something to do with spawning a daemon process.
• 1027[15:27:37] <grummund> pretty sure ps can show the process name.
• 1028[15:28:05] <grummund> anyway pgrep -f works for me.
• 1029[15:28:12] <no_gravity> pgrep also does not find "firefox"
• 1030[15:29:05] <azeem> maybe firefox-esr?
• 1031[15:29:51] <no_gravity> azeem: No
• 1032[15:30:53] <grummund> fwiw, "pgrep firefox" works here as does "pgrep firefox-esr"
• 1033[15:31:17] <no_gravity> funny
• 1034[15:31:23] <grummund> pgrep -f /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr
• 1035[15:31:26] <no_gravity> grummund: How many firefox windows do you have open?
• 1036[15:31:36] <grummund> a few.
• 1037[15:31:43] <no_gravity> grummund: With -f it works here too
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• 1039[15:33:45] <oxek> do you have pgrep aliased to something? Perhaps 'pgrep -x'?
• 1040[15:34:14] <no_gravity> oxek: I don't.
• 1041[15:35:23] <no_gravity> This finds some of the firefox processes: pgrep 'Web Content'
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• 1043[15:36:06] <no_gravity> So it looks like this will show the name of a process: ps -p 1234
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• 1045[15:36:22] <no_gravity> And for chromium, it indeed displays "chromium-browse" ...
• 1046[15:36:26] <no_gravity> so grummund might have been right.
• 1047[15:36:43] <no_gravity> Maybe ther is a limit to the length of a process name?
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• 1050[15:36:59] <no_gravity> 15 chars ...
• 1051[15:37:17] <no_gravity> chromium-browse is 15 chars :)
• 1052[15:37:21] <no_gravity> Mistery solved.
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• 1059[15:43:50] <peaceguy> hello, does anyone know what could cause a wierd visual glitch when switching from X to tty console?
• 1060[15:44:09] <peaceguy> it started after a kernel update
• 1061[15:44:30] <greycat> I would guess it was the kernel update
• 1062[15:44:35] <peaceguy> it was an update to 1.19.0-6
• 1063[15:45:01] <peaceguy> ok but i don't know how to research this, what is the precise cause of this
• 1064[15:45:12] <greycat> ... do you mean 4.19.0-6 ?
• 1065[15:45:12] <peaceguy> i have intel integrated graphics card
• 1066[15:45:17] <peaceguy> yes sorry
• 1067[15:45:27] <greycat> that's at least 4 ABI versions behind current stab le
• 1068[15:45:31] <greycat> ,kernels
• 1069[15:45:32] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.8.0-trunk-686-pae (5.8.3-1~exp1); sid: 5.7.0-3-686-pae (5.7.17-1); bullseye: 5.7.0-3-686-pae (5.7.17-1); buster-backports: 5.7.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.7.10-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-10-686 (4.19.132-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.10-686-pae (4.19.132-1~deb9u2); jessie-backports:
• 1070[15:45:33] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
• 1071[15:45:40] <peaceguy> but that was the version when it started happening
• 1072[15:45:41] <greycat> current is 4.19.0-10
• 1073[15:45:46] <peaceguy> i am on it now
• 1074[15:45:54] <peaceguy> but that version is what brought the problem
• 1075[15:46:30] <greycat> did you update *all* of the packages to current stable, including the non-free firmware for your Intel device?
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• 1077[15:47:07] <peaceguy> i would have to check that
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• 1080[15:48:41] <no_gravity> Next problem when trying to backup my phone: rsync does not see when files have changed. Any ideas why?
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• 1083[15:49:11] <peaceguy> i did all updates and i don't get update for anything related to intel firmware
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• 1085[15:50:21] <grummund> no_gravity: what i learned about rsync is that every command line option added is a another compromise.
• 1086[15:50:39] <grummund> no_gravity: use the minimum options needed to get the job done.
• 1087[15:50:51] <greycat> (the package for intel firmware is firmware-misc-nonfree)
• 1088[15:51:15] <no_gravity> grummund: right now I am doing "rsync -a --delete /mnt/phone/ /backup/phone/"
• 1089[15:52:46] <no_gravity> I have the impression, the android phone does not change the modification time on every filechange.
• 1090[15:52:56] <no_gravity> So rsync can't detect it with its default detection mechanism.
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• 1092[15:53:36] <grummund> no_gravity: you can try adding --checksum but take care, as i said every new option is another compromise.
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• 1094[15:53:45] <grummund> no_gravity: ask in #rsync
• 1095[15:54:02] <peaceguy> i don't really want to enable non-free, can i get the package from pkgs.org? would there be problems?
• 1096[15:54:34] <no_gravity> grummund: Yeah, -c should solve it. But it will have to read all files from the phone
• 1097[15:54:39] <greycat> you can get it from packages.debian.org/firmware-misc-nonfree
• 1098[15:54:46] <peaceguy> ok
• 1099[15:55:11] <Cymew> Hi I'm trying to install my own CA cert and issuing chain, and I have done it by placing my file in /usr/share/ca-certificates and running dpkg-reconfigure. But that's a manual process. surely there must be a way to do that one the command line? I googled a bit and found kludges using expect. Please tell me there's an easier way?
• 1100[15:55:15] <peaceguy> after installation i can just remove it and it will remove all firmware like before installation?
• 1101[15:55:26] <greycat> ... what
• 1102[15:55:28] <greycat> *plonk*
• 1103[15:55:34] <peaceguy> sorry
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• 1105[15:56:31] <greycat> why would you install a firmware package and then immediately remove it
• 1106[15:56:35] <greycat> makes NO sense
• 1107[15:56:59] <peaceguy> i meant after testing
• 1108[15:57:09] <peaceguy> if it doesn't fix it or something happens
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• 1117[16:03:55] <karlpinc> Cymew: dpkg-reconfigure on what?
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• 1119[16:04:19] <Cymew> karlpinc: dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates
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• 1121[16:05:53] <Cymew> It asks me which new certs to trust, and I just want it to accept what I have provided without having to interactively tell it.
• 1122[16:06:37] <karlpinc> Cymew: man update-ca-certificates
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• 1124[16:07:54] <karlpinc> Cymew: Which I found with: dpkg -L ca-certificates
• 1125[16:09:06] <Cymew> karlpinc: Thanks. I'm not used to the debian package system. That looks usable. Appreciated.
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• 1127[16:10:02] <greycat> As I sit here and ponder the insane things that people say and do....
• 1128[16:10:36] <greycat> Firmware is not loaded once-and-done into the hardware. It has to be loaded *every* time you boot. A firmware package has to stay installed. It gets included in the initramfs. It gets loaded into the device by the kernel when you boot.
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• 1130[16:11:31] <grummund> sometimes it is.
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• 1167[16:43:56] <naptastic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
• 1168[16:44:08] <naptastic> oh
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• 1171[16:46:48] <met> naptastic is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. ;)
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• 1200[17:12:18] <hiya> How to connect to wifi in rescue mode?
• 1201[17:15:06] <ratrace> hiya: with wpa_config, either directly (wpa for wifi, then run dhclient to obtain ip, or setup static IP), or through /etc/network/interfaces
• 1202[17:15:14] <ratrace> eh.... wpa_supplicant, not _config
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• 1205[17:16:20] <hiya> ratrace: thanks for dhclient, I am using USB hotspot
• 1206[17:17:10] <ratrace> not sure what you mean, but I assumed you wanted to connect to an access point, not run one?
• 1207[17:17:32] <hiya> ratrace: I was already connected but I didn't get the IP
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• 1209[17:17:46] <hiya> via android USB Internet sharing
• 1210[17:18:15] <ratrace> hiya: then that's not done with wpa_supplicant?
• 1211[17:18:27] <hiya> nope, just connect the cable and run dhclient
• 1212[17:18:34] <hiya> and it is done, because it is not wifi based
• 1213[17:18:47] <ratrace> I see. XY :) okay. so it works?
• 1214[17:18:50] <SerajewelKS> what the heck, the installer environment has LVM tools but doesn't have fdisk!?
• 1215[17:19:08] <hiya> I enter full disk encryption password and then it boots and reaches Debian logo and then nothing
• 1216[17:19:09] <ratrace> surely it has one of the plethora of partitioning tools, if not fdisk per se?
• 1217[17:19:25] <hiya> ratrace: ^ I am entering rescue for this only, I turned my old laptop on after 20 days
• 1218[17:19:30] <hiya> Maybe upgrade helps
• 1219[17:19:30] <SerajewelKS> ratrace: not that i can see
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• 1221[17:19:58] <ratrace> SerajewelKS: no parted, gdisk, sgdisk, cfdisk maybe even?
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• 1223[17:20:15] <SerajewelKS> ratrace: nope
• 1224[17:20:30] <SerajewelKS> only tool it has ending in "disk" is freeramdisk
• 1225[17:20:33] <ratrace> well that's weird
• 1226[17:20:38] <SerajewelKS> indeed
• 1227[17:20:41] <ratrace> how does it partition then
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• 1229[17:21:11] <SerajewelKS> maybe libparted statically linked or something
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• 1237[17:30:00] <hiya> errors were encountered while processing: minissdpd
• 1238[17:30:16] <hiya> What is this about?
• 1239[17:31:36] <greycat> it sounds like an error from dpkg, so you should be able to see the other errors on the screen before/after it that actually tell you things
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• 1241[17:34:07] <hiya> wow, upgrade fixed the issues. :D I am in again. Thanks all
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• 1245[17:35:52] <hiya> greycat: yes, I re-ran upgrade and it worked
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• 1265[17:49:11] <harasama> whats the difference between the DVD versions of debian and the live version?
• 1266[17:49:17] <harasama> mainly in terms of what included in both
• 1267[17:49:25] <harasama> I understand that the live one you can boot into RAM
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• 1269[17:49:39] <harasama> but why is the live one about 1.5 GB smaller than the DVD one?
• 1270[17:50:06] <Haohmaru> the live one is mainly for trying out debian without installing
• 1271[17:50:25] <harasama> but it lets you install it after, and it seems to allow it without a connection
• 1272[17:50:29] <Haohmaru> the DVD one is probably meant for installing, so it should try to contain more packages
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• 1274[17:50:50] <Haohmaru> the live one should not be huge
• 1275[17:50:51] <harasama> what would you get with the DVD one specifically?
• 1276[17:51:09] <harasama> are there any specific software you would need from it that you wouldnt get in live?
• 1277[17:51:29] <Haohmaru> i don't know, i use netinst for installing, and live-lxde for when i mess things up and need to fix my harddisk or so
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• 1279[17:52:21] <harasama> the other question i had, and i guess this is more of a question for linux mint, but why is the Linux Mint live only 2.0 GB and debian live is 2.4 GB, but mint is derived from debian?
• 1280[17:52:27] <harasama> i would imagine debian should be smaller?
• 1281[17:52:29] <greycat> dpkg, big is <reply>Debian is big. Vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big. You can't fit all of it on a CD or a DVD. Every installer image therefore contains only a PIECE of it, and you download the other bits you want from the Internet.
• 1282[17:52:30] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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• 1286[17:53:02] <SerajewelKS> the multi-disc DVD/CD variants contain every package in main, i think
• 1287[17:53:20] <somiaj> harasama: 50,000+ packages in debian, derivatives don't usually take them all. It really dpends on what packages the particular imageprovides.
• 1288[17:53:23] <greycat> CD images were discontinued, except for the netinst and maybe one of the lives
• 1289[17:53:38] <greycat> "Live" images are a COMPLETELY different animal.
• 1290[17:53:40] <SerajewelKS> unless you need to be able to potentially install any package without an internet connection, you wouldn't need every package on disc
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• 1292[17:53:55] <harasama> i understand that part
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• 1295[17:54:10] <harasama> basically what i want is debian with the minimal essentials to it in order to run
• 1296[17:54:14] <harasama> and then i would install packages later
• 1297[17:54:25] <greycat> Every single Debian installer is exactly that.
• 1298[17:54:26] <harasama> so that i can customize it more from the ground up
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• 1301[17:55:22] <greycat> The only difference between the netinst and, say, DVD-1, is that the latter has more potentially old packages on it, to be ignored in favor of the newer versions on the mirrors at the time of installation.
• 1302[17:55:22] <somiaj> harasama: install a debian base system, say no to all the desktop stuff at the end, install only the software you want.
• 1303[17:55:49] <somiaj> the base system is often about 500megs I think now, and you can put what ever you want on top of it
• 1304[17:56:29] <harasama> will that include the GUI or just a terminal?
• 1305[17:56:47] <greycat> It will install whatever you SELECT during the installation.
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• 1315[18:01:30] <somiaj> harasama: the base system doesn't include xorg/gui. You could choose a DE at the start (Though often times you get a lot with a DE -- as a wm user, I avoid choosing a DE and install what I want, which is just xorg, xterm, and a wm)
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• 1318[18:03:04] <harasama> somiaj, thanks I might try to go that route
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• 1321[18:03:42] <harasama> there are some software that I want, such as the basic utilities (text editor, calculator, etc), but it seems like it would just be best to start as minimal as possible and then add on to it
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• 1323[18:04:21] <somiaj> text editor -- which one, debian has probably 10+ you can choose from, calculators, well there is choice there too.
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• 1330[18:11:04] <somiaj> a DE will make lots of choices for you, debian provides you the ability to also insatall what you want. If you install a DE first then make new choices, that is fine too, often times the only cost is harddrive space to keep the other stuff installed.
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• 1333[18:13:01] <greycat> Many people either choose a desktop environment, or allow Debian to pick one for them. Some people install only the "Standard" packages, and then add what they want on top of it. It's all up to you.
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• 1335[18:13:56] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 1336[18:13:56] <dpkg> i guess dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 1338[18:14:40] <somiaj> and read that, provided you stick to what is in debian, and follow decent rules for installing third paty stuff you'll be fine, but you can't just download any random .deb you want to install
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• 1382[18:59:15] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Is there a list of which packages are reproducible and some tracker for process of how it was done?
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• 1385[19:00:45] <somiaj> Aurora_v_kosmose: have you looked around tracker.debian.org, I thought I saw some list
• 1386[19:00:46] <another> replaced-url
• 1387[19:01:33] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Yeah, that's where I'm looking for it.
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• 1496[20:37:13] <matsumotosan> any reason why the live install of debian has a bunch of thailand fonts and terminal installed by default?
• 1497[20:39:35] * greycat wonders what this person thinks "the live install" means
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• 1501[20:41:26] <gateway2000> matsumotosan: Maybe so people in Thailand can use it, too.
• 1502[20:42:18] <greycat> or it used geo IP lookup and thought you were in Thailand, so it guessed a locale...
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• 1504[20:42:42] <greycat> I mean, it's a "live install" (not "the" live install), so who knows what it does
• 1505[20:44:07] <tinga> Hi. Lately, Slack started to show "Your client does not support hardware acceleration" on any of my chromium browsers on either stretch or a testing chroot (and the video button simply doesn't work in firefox). It was working in Chromium a month or so ago. Any idea?
• 1506[20:44:33] <greycat> ... use stable?
• 1507[20:45:21] <tinga> I don't think I upgraded anything between slack working and not working. I suspect it's Slack that changed something.
• 1508[20:48:16] <diogenes_> tinga, try Chrome.
• 1509[20:48:49] <matsumotosan> greycat how would it look up my ip if its offline? im assuming it was just packaged this way for some reason
• 1510[20:49:22] <greycat> "the" live install. "it" was just packaged.
• 1511[20:49:34] <matsumotosan> how does the live install work?
• 1512[20:49:39] <greycat> Nobody can guess what you're using, or the conditions under which you're using it.
• 1513[20:49:41] <matsumotosan> apologies, not too familiar with this stuff
• 1514[20:49:43] <n4dir> not good, thats for sure
• 1515[20:49:57] <greycat> There isn't a single live image. There are LOTS of them! And they were NEVER meant to be installed! They're meant to be used, live.
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• 1517[20:50:10] <matsumotosan> why arent they meant to be installed?
• 1518[20:50:10] <n4dir> it is better to use an installation media than any of the live iso's.
• 1519[20:50:31] <matsumotosan> i was having trouble with the DVD versions
• 1520[20:50:51] <greycat> What trouble? Missing non-free firmware/drivers?
• 1521[20:50:56] <greycat> !firmware images
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• 1523[20:50:56] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 1524[20:51:44] <matsumotosan> the live image was working well though after i installed it
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• 1527[20:52:04] <matsumotosan> it was just strange that it had a thailand language pack
• 1528[20:52:19] <greycat> Congrats. They've apparently made a lot of progress in getting them to actually do something useful when people try to install with 'em.
• 1529[20:52:42] <matsumotosan> should i just stick with the netinst version?
• 1530[20:52:58] <matsumotosan> i was hoping to get a base installation offline with things like gnome already installed
• 1531[20:53:03] <greycat> If what you have now is working, just leave it. Remove the stuff you don't want, and install whatever you do want.
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• 1533[20:53:26] <greycat> ... if it's a "base installation", it won't include GNOME.
• 1534[20:53:43] <matsumotosan> thats why i was trying to use a live image
• 1535[20:54:01] <matsumotosan> but then was confused why it had these different language packs baked in
• 1536[20:54:17] <greycat> because Debian is for everyone
• 1537[20:54:21] <matsumotosan> but i guess thats the point of it anyway
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• 1539[20:54:44] <matsumotosan> so basically there is no way to install gnome with debian offline?
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• 1541[20:54:56] <matsumotosan> i need to use the netinst?
• 1542[20:55:25] <greycat> if you've got a working system now, don't reinstall it
• 1543[20:55:55] <n4dir> not sure how it is these days, but back when things were smaller full gnome was on one installation CD iso, not a DVD.
• 1544[20:55:59] <greycat> and based on what I'm piecing together from your comments, I don't think netinst is a thing you will care for, because it assumes you have Internet
• 1545[20:57:02] <greycat> n4dir: as of some time ago, the only remaining CD installer image with a desktop environment was for XFCE. The others don't fit. And I think they even gave that up recently.
• 1546[20:57:39] <n4dir> i should have known. So without internet it would be a DVD. Thanks for the clarification
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• 1548[20:58:04] <n4dir> well: it is even hard to find live isos of any distro which still fit on a CD
• 1549[21:00:38] <yanmaani> Whatever happened to Xfce's "disk space monitor"?
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• 1553[21:04:19] <bostongeek36> n4dir welcome to modern computing
• 1554[21:04:27] <bostongeek36> nothing fits on a cd anymore
• 1555[21:04:54] <n4dir> :-) yanmaani xfce4-fsguard-plugin
• 1556[21:04:56] <n4dir> ?
• 1557[21:06:10] <bostongeek36> windows itself is 10gb
• 1558[21:06:27] <n4dir> hence they call it Windows 10 ?
• 1559[21:06:32] <bostongeek36> lol
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• 1563[21:07:48] <bostongeek36> its just crazy
• 1564[21:08:04] <bostongeek36> programmers are lazy and write sloppy code
• 1565[21:09:01] <n4dir> whenever i install Windows, seldom, i am astonished how big it is with not much sofware installed. Compared to any linux if you go for a "full" installation (whatever that might exactly be)
• 1566[21:09:41] <bostongeek36> still in general software has gotten bloated
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• 1568[21:10:02] <n4dir> looks like that to me too.
• 1569[21:10:08] <bostongeek36> how big is the linux kernel?
• 1570[21:10:16] <johnjay> big. the biggest kernel.
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• 1572[21:10:48] <n4dir> guess it is as it wants to run everywhere, including the kitchen sink.
• 1573[21:11:16] <johnjay> according to reddit Call of Duty WWII on steam is a 90GB download
• 1574[21:11:32] <bostongeek36> last i heard was 1 mb
• 1575[21:11:44] <bostongeek36> but that was a while back
• 1576[21:11:50] <bostongeek36> its probably bigger now
• 1577[21:12:02] <bostongeek36> but thats an example of good c coding
• 1578[21:12:12] <n4dir> johnjay: give musescore-general-soundfont or same but lossless a try. Oh my god
• 1579[21:12:23] <bostongeek36> look at something like gcc or gnome
• 1580[21:12:25] <bostongeek36> AHHH
• 1581[21:12:48] <oxek> linux kernel is like 700MB
• 1582[21:13:17] <n4dir> so pick your poison. either a kernel or a soundfont. you can't have it both.
• 1583[21:13:42] <bostongeek36> linux 4.15 400mb
• 1584[21:13:52] <johnjay> in the future you have to download a 2TB web framework just to print out "hello world"
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• 1586[21:14:06] <bostongeek36> at least according this this forum thread
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• 1588[21:14:10] <johnjay> anything more complicated you'll need petabytes of extra modules
• 1589[21:14:12] <bostongeek36> thats ubuntu 16.10
• 1590[21:14:21] <bostongeek36> 16.04*
• 1591[21:14:24] <Aurora_v_kosmose> matsumotosan: There's a multi-dvd install that may be able to install gnome.
• 1592[21:14:35] <Aurora_v_kosmose> matsumotosan: Otherwise there's apt-offline & similar tools.
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• 1596[21:17:57] <bostongeek36> debian at least has a offline installer
• 1597[21:18:00] <bostongeek36> but its a dvd
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• 1599[21:18:17] <flayer> your face is a dvd!
• 1600[21:18:23] <greycat> you can use the netinst offline and just install Standard
• 1601[21:18:37] <oxek> isn't there a bd too?
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• 1603[21:20:07] <n4dir> oxek: what is a bd?
• 1604[21:20:16] <oxek> n4dir: blu-ray disk
• 1605[21:20:19] <greycat> Bluray Disc
• 1606[21:20:29] <n4dir> ah, duh.
• 1607[21:21:06] <oxek> I don't think I ever used an .iso of a blu-ray disk
• 1608[21:21:12] <greycat> a massive "meh" on the PC market... I don't think I've ever seen a PC with a BD reader in it. CD, yes... DVD, yes... none at all, yes....
• 1609[21:21:25] <NetTerminalGene> are there still blu ray discs?
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• 1611[21:21:42] <bostongeek36> no bd
• 1612[21:21:52] <bostongeek36> who has a blu-ray drive?
• 1613[21:22:01] <bostongeek36> i have one cuz im a moron
• 1614[21:22:07] <bostongeek36> extra expensive
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• 1616[21:22:17] <greycat> I have a standalone blu-ray player hooked to my TV, but I've never seen a blu-ray drive for a PC.
• 1617[21:22:26] <oxek> bostongeek36: at least you don't have a hd-dvd drive...
• 1618[21:22:29] <bostongeek36> even apple knows its too expensive they never but one in their computers
• 1619[21:22:32] <oxek> which I do...
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• 1621[21:22:42] <bostongeek36> greycat they make them
• 1622[21:22:57] <greycat> I believe you, I've just never seen one in real life
• 1623[21:23:01] <bostongeek36> they also make blu-ray blanks
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• 1626[21:23:16] <bostongeek36> that you can burn
• 1627[21:23:29] <bostongeek36> and have in your house for some reason
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• 1630[21:23:38] <bostongeek36> maybe you want to play frizbee
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• 1632[21:24:17] <NetTerminalGene> cd, dvd, bluray died smootly. i haven't even felt it
• 1633[21:24:42] <NetTerminalGene> despite i was using dvd a lot
• 1634[21:24:43] <bostongeek36> i have a blu-ray disc player for my tv
• 1635[21:24:43] <greycat> I have. We bought a new vehicle this year, and it doesn't have a CD player. My wife still hasn't got over it yet.
• 1636[21:24:53] <bostongeek36> and blu-ray discs to watch
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• 1639[21:25:29] <NetTerminalGene> i have never touched a blu ray disc in my life
• 1640[21:26:01] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I want a blu-ray drive, but they're hilariuosly expensive.
• 1641[21:26:13] <NetTerminalGene> really?
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• 1643[21:26:28] <Aurora_v_kosmose> >130$ for a bottom-tier internal drive.
• 1644[21:26:36] <NetTerminalGene> external dvd writers are cheap
• 1645[21:26:49] <Aurora_v_kosmose> External blu-ray drives are even more expensive.
• 1646[21:27:13] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Huh... checking just now, seems prices dropped in the last year or so.
• 1647[21:27:19] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Probably because of massively diminishing market share.
• 1648[21:27:41] <greycat> nobody wants them, so supply > demand
• 1649[21:28:17] <Aurora_v_kosmose> Used to be enough I was legitimately considering getting a used tape-drive system for archival instead.
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• 1651[21:29:10] <Aurora_v_kosmose> (When bluray was a new fancy thing)
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• 1654[21:30:31] <ws2k3> i configured a repo in debian. but apt-cache policy package does not show newer versions of that package. is there a way to search in the newly added repo what packages it offers?
• 1655[21:31:27] <oxek> ws2k3: did you apt update?
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• 1658[21:32:42] <ws2k3> oxek: jup.
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• 1660[21:33:38] <oxek> apt policy should show all versions of package available in all repos
• 1661[21:34:08] <oxek> if it does not, then you've come across interesting behavior
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• 1663[21:36:35] <ws2k3> oxek: oxek im trying install cdeph octopus on debian 9. replaced-url
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• 1666[21:38:38] <oxek> the instructions look ok, even if a little out-of-date
• 1667[21:38:47] <oxek> !apt
• 1668[21:38:48] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
• 1669[21:39:00] <oxek> hmm
• 1670[21:39:03] <greycat> !bat
• 1671[21:39:03] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1672[21:39:07] <oxek> yeah that
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• 1674[21:40:11] <oxek> ws2k3: basically, it should work, but since it doesn't, we need more info about what you did
• 1675[21:41:49] <ws2k3> oxek: replaced-url
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• 1682[21:49:39] <oxek> hmm, that repo does not contain 'ceph', it contains 'ceph-deploy'
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• 1684[21:53:19] <oxek> ws2k3: do you get anything if you do 'apt-cache policy ceph-deploy'?
• 1685[21:54:02] <ws2k3> oxek: jup. i do. but i kinda supprised it only offers ceph-deploy
• 1686[21:54:21] <oxek> then you haven't made any mistake in adding the repo, the repo simply does not offer 'ceph'
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• 1689[21:55:03] <oxek> you can look through the repo using a browser replaced-url
• 1690[21:55:18] <oxek> The Packages file contains the packages that the repo offers
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• 1720[22:28:49] <shimadachan> im trying to install debian 10 off the dvd, but it isnt configuring apt correctly
• 1721[22:29:03] <shimadachan> whenever i try to install throuhg it is ask to put in a disl
• 1722[22:29:05] <shimadachan> disk*
• 1723[22:29:24] <greycat> If there is no Internet when you install, you get a dud sources.list. Just nuke it and put in a standard one.
• 1724[22:29:28] <greycat> !buster sources.list
• 1725[22:29:29] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1729[22:30:00] <shimadachan> it was suppose to set up a mirror when i installed
• 1730[22:30:06] <shimadachan> and installed with the internet enabled
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• 1732[22:31:01] <diogenes_> shimadachan, you need to comment out the DVD lines in /etc/apt/sources.list.
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• 1743[22:34:44] <shimadachan> diogenes_ thanks ill try that
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• 1746[22:35:43] <shimadachan> another question, let say you install a DE but have no options checked off, what does it default to?
• 1747[22:35:48] <shimadachan> does it just default to gnome?
• 1748[22:36:26] <diogenes_> yep, sadly.
• 1749[22:36:33] <sney> yes, the installer defaults to gnome. nothing else does
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• 1751[22:37:57] <shimadachan> thanks for all the help yall
• 1752[22:38:01] <shimadachan> quite new to this
• 1753[22:38:09] <shimadachan> frustrating at times but also pretty fun
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• 1757[22:38:38] <yanmaani> n4dir: already installed
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• 1759[22:41:02] <yanmaani> Is that "disk performance monitor"?
• 1760[22:42:58] <yanmaani> Oh no, this is "free space checker". The one I remember had a button. You clicked the button, and it showed you a GUI version of `df -h`
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• 1809[23:29:30] <Conjecture_> Anyone know of a good guide for doing an encrypted harddrive install for debian using the netinstall disk?
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• 1811[23:31:29] <sney> !ig
• 1812[23:31:30] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
• 1813[23:31:51] <sney> the installer walks you through the luks setup pretty cleanly, though. I don't think it really justifies outside instructions
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• 1815[23:32:40] <Conjecture_> Thanks sney
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• 1818[23:33:36] <karlpinc> Conjecture_: See also the unoffical installer (below)
• 1819[23:33:39] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 1820[23:33:39] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 1821[23:34:03] <Conjecture_> Thanks
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• 1824[23:34:37] * karlpinc thinks that non-free firmware is why people use Ubuntu, because it's easier to install
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• 1839[23:49:02] <Aurora_v_kosmose> I've found Ubuntu's package quality backsliding a lot in terms of being up to date & hardware support, in contrast with manjaro.
• 1840[23:50:33] <cluonbeam> Manjaro is a dumpster fire. Having taken a look at how they approach security-relevant items, I wouldn't trust it to run my toothbrush.
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• 1843[23:50:50] <Aurora_v_kosmose> cluonbeam: That is an issue indeed.
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