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1[00:01:41] <revision> Can I somehow run the Debian Installer on an existing Debian system, with the installation target being a flat file that I can later just dd to a bunch of CF-cards?
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3[00:02:31] <RoyK> revision: better run it on a CF card first, then copy that to a flat file and then dd that to other CF cards
4[00:02:40] <RoyK> revision: is this ARM? or x64?
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9[00:04:18] <revision> RoyK: Yeah, sure, I could do that too. I just haven't figured out how to run the installer on an existing system, so that I can automate it. "apt-get install debian-installer" doesn't include much.
10[00:04:23] <revision> RoyK: x64
11[00:05:13] <RoyK> revision: I don't think you can, but if you want to create a bunch of systems, you may have some hardware available for the initial install?
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15[00:07:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> revision, there's debootstrap
16[00:07:27] <revision> RoyK: That'd be hard to automate using e.g. GitLab CI, Travis, Circle, etc.
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20[00:08:19] <revision> CutMeOwnThroat: I'll check that out.
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22[00:08:29] <`Kevin> x2 @ debootstrap
23[00:08:48] <RoyK> revision: then setup pxe boot etc
24[00:08:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> "apt-cache show debootstrap" is a bit short, but...
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32[00:11:43] <revision> RoyK: I fail to see how pxe would solve it.
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46[00:17:17] <hwk> how can i find the running debian version (on a arm distro)?
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48[00:17:45] <revision> hwk: Don't you have /etc/debian_version?
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53[00:18:19] <hwk> another way? like from gcc -v ?
54[00:18:55] <hwk> debian_distro doesnt contain anything relevant, trying to download a dpkg and i need to know the version of os i need it for... :)
55[00:19:50] <hwk> debian_distro holds the "customizer's" signature
56[00:19:54] <hwk> in my case
57[00:20:07] <hwk> which has no deb version whatsoever
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60[00:20:43] <missmbob> hwk: lsb_release -a
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69[00:22:21] <hwk> yaks, it really makes me feel confused. its kali/nethuner and i know its debian based (dont know whats the source of it)
70[00:22:47] <missmbob> !based on
71[00:22:47] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
72[00:22:48] <missmbob> sorry
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83[00:27:49] <mdlpe> hello, this : tar -cvfp /mnt/tempo/2012-2016-08-18.tar /mnt/repsource/Photos/2012 return an error but i don't understand
84[00:27:55] <hwk> gcc -v spits this: gcc version 5.4.0 20160609 (Debian 5.4.0-4)
85[00:28:18] <missmbob> hwk: we already settled it's not debian. what do you want from us?
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87[00:29:01] * hwk its a plane
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92[00:31:39] <hwk> i think its lenny in my case . thanks . btw i dont think anyone has time to make his own custom gcc compiler .
93[00:31:54] <hwk> missmbob: you info was useful
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97[00:33:01] <`Kevin> mdlpe: do you mean to use -C ?
98[00:33:12] <missmbob> hwk: if you think lenny was 2016...you're insane
99[00:33:21] <`Kevin> mdlpe: nvm im out of it today i need sleep :)
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101[00:33:35] <hwk> replaced-url
102[00:33:50] <missmbob> hwk: right. 2012
103[00:33:59] <missmbob> hwk: your gcc build was built in 2016
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106[00:34:56] <missmbob> hwk: this is why we cant answer derivative questions
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119[00:44:10] <mdlpe> Kevin, thanks
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127[00:47:56] <MaBunny> hello guys
128[00:48:10] <MaBunny> my debian didnt run
129[00:48:36] <MaBunny> should i follow this page
130[00:48:39] <MaBunny> replaced-url
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132[00:49:09] <MaBunny> considering my grub wont work properly??
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135[00:49:38] <winterss> hi
136[00:50:13] <TomTomTo1> if it's gcc 5.4 it must have been taken from testing / unstable after the jessie release and before it went gcc 6.
137[00:50:32] <TomTomTo1> so end 2015 or so.
138[00:51:18] <hwk> thanks will try some jessie arm packages
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140[00:51:46] <MaBunny> TomTomTo1 hey
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143[00:52:07] <MaBunny> wht do you think about my problem pal
144[00:52:14] <TomTomTo1> oh, wait, missmbob is right there is a timestamp, so it's probably something else entirely.
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146[00:53:08] <winterss> hi creative
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151[00:54:29] <hwk> replaced-url
152[00:54:37] <mutante> ?pkg php5-mailparse
153[00:55:10] <mutante> sorry, i was looking for the command that tells me which distributions had the package
154[00:55:33] <mutante> and what could maybe replace it on jessie
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156[00:55:52] <hwk> manual compile?
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158[00:56:02] <missmbob> ,v php-mailparse
159[00:56:03] <judd> Package: php-mailparse on amd64 -- stretch: 3.0.1+2.1.6-12-gae1ef14-1; sid: 3.0.1+2.1.6-12-gae1ef14-1
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161[00:56:26] <mutante> thank you, good miss
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163[00:58:12] <MaBunny> anyone??
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166[01:00:30] <TomTomTo1> MaBunny: just a few things to clear up. if you install grub to MBR of your new usb drive you will have to boot from that drive. also, your old grub installation will not detect your new system automatically. my guess is you got the drives mixed up.
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169[01:01:12] <MaBunny> i will boot from tht drive
170[01:01:27] <MaBunny> and my grub is a mess atm
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173[01:01:58] <MaBunny> how do i install it,i mean
174[01:02:09] <MaBunny> is the link correct??
175[01:02:38] <TomTomTo1> official docs tend to be.
176[01:03:16] <MaBunny> no,i mean
177[01:03:29] <MaBunny> did i point to correct link?
178[01:03:39] <TomTomTo1> yes
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181[01:04:25] <MaBunny> ok,thts all i wanted to ask
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183[01:04:45] <TomTomTo1> just don't blindly copy the commands like grub-install '(hd0)'
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187[01:06:59] <MaBunny> TomTomTo1 do i enter the rescue mode??
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194[01:08:44] <TomTomTo1> rescue is written in bold. it might be the important part.
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199[01:10:07] <TomTomTo1> or try it again from the other system, it's the same deal, really.
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202[01:10:31] <TomTomTo1> but the instructions are pretty clear.
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208[01:13:22] <MaBunny> srry reading the guide
209[01:13:46] <MaBunny> here its written rescue mode,TomTomTo1
210[01:13:58] <TomTomTo1> yes...
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212[01:14:12] <MaBunny> thts it,right?
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214[01:14:33] <TomTomTo1> yes...
215[01:15:02] <MaBunny> ok thnx pal
216[01:15:33] <TomTomTo1> no problemo, amigo.
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218[01:16:18] <MaBunny> its taking me through language selection,n
219[01:16:34] <MaBunny> theres rescue mode written in the top
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227[01:20:01] <MaBunny> ok doing reinstall of grub
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233[01:22:40] <lawrence-paralla> Hey, does anyone have experience running nginx with modsecurity?
234[01:22:50] <lawrence-paralla> It just segfaults on the workers half the time for me :(
235[01:22:58] <lawrence-paralla> This is with no rules enabled as well
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255[01:33:28] <tenaious> hey everyone
256[01:33:49] <tenaious> i accidently deleted my mysql.services file - the init script (debian jessie)
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260[01:34:09] <tenaious> now whenever i try install/uninstall mysql i get this error
261[01:34:10] <tenaious> replaced-url
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265[01:37:25] <pingfloyd> did you try to apt-get --reinstall install it?
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268[01:39:48] <tenaious> yeah same error bud
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276[01:42:38] <tenaious> fixed with the following
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279[01:42:48] <tenaious> cd /etc/systemd/system; ln -s /dev/null mysql.service
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282[01:44:20] <pingfloyd> tenaious: apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall packagename
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284[01:44:59] <tenaious> thanks bro
285[01:45:20] <DC85> Greetings everyone, im having a RAID panic attack, can someone try to help me
286[01:45:27] <pingfloyd> no problem
287[01:46:06] <pingfloyd> dpkg just needs a little more explicit instruction since it errors on the side of caution
288[01:46:06] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, pingfloyd
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290[01:46:28] <pingfloyd> stupid bot
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292[01:46:55] <pingfloyd> dpkg: not even for 2 scooby snacks?
293[01:46:56] <dpkg> pingfloyd: I give up, what is it?
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297[01:48:25] <pingfloyd> tenaious: there are of course more options you can play with listed in man dpkg
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301[01:49:06] <pingfloyd> tenaious: you want to be a bit careful and cautious with what you force though because it's like removing the safety
302[01:49:40] <pingfloyd> tenaious: e.g., if in doubt, make a backup copy of potentially affected custom config files
303[01:49:48] <tenaious> this was all after installing mariadb
304[01:49:54] <tenaious> think it has a bug in there somewhere
305[01:49:56] <tenaious> it failed itself
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308[01:51:47] <mutante> dpkg: tell DC85 about raid
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330[02:00:45] <DC85> mutante i have (a server) a root fs within a 2 disk RAID1 array plus a RAID10 array for data (4 disks+1 spare). Someone shutted down the computer the very wrong way holding the power button. The RAID10 array got messed up and im afraid i messed it up even further.
331[02:02:23] <mutante> DC85: ? because more than 1 disk broke?
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333[02:02:45] <mutante> DC85: i dont know that much about it myself, i just wanted to help out with the bot links
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336[02:04:01] <DC85> mutante i was doing some checks with "mdadm --examine ..." on those hdds and with "mdadm -D /dev/mdX". Then i removed 2 disks from the RAID10 array and added them by mistake to the RAID1 array and now those drives are showing different data a i think i lost it...
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340[02:06:14] <mutante> DC85: sorry, i dont know, but it's good that you are explaining it in detail to the channel for others to see
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364[02:16:10] <_rubik> has anyone compiled the binaries of xcb-utils-xrm for non stretch? That would be REALLY helpful.
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382[02:23:06] <revision> Sweet, this debootstrap-thing really is what I want. I got a linux kernel running with extlinux, now I just need to make it find the root partition.
383[02:23:13] <revision> Thanks CutMeOwnThroat!
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389[02:26:02] <odroid> apt remove libreoffice doesn't remove libreoffice
390[02:26:10] <odroid> I have to put apt remove libreoffice-writer
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392[02:26:15] <odroid> and then each of the programs
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396[02:28:21] <revision> Hah! Using root=UUID=... worked like a charm, thank you a million times CutMeOwnThroat! :D
397[02:28:27] <revision> Darn, he left...
398[02:28:37] <OerHeks> odroid, apt remove libreoffice^ does it all, AFAIK
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402[02:29:07] <mutante> odroid: cant confirm, but try "apt-get autoremove" too?
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406[02:31:06] <pingfloyd> odroid: libreoffice is a meta-package
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409[02:31:48] <pingfloyd> odroid: assuming you didn't mark as manually installed (manually install through apt-get etc) the packages it depends on, after you remove libreoffice, you should be able to do apt-get autoremove
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412[02:34:46] <odroid> I did
413[02:34:46] <odroid> it didn't remove libreoffice-writer
414[02:34:47] <odroid> I had to remove libreoffice-core then autoremove
415[02:34:47] <odroid> I think it's working now
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444[02:50:51] <katronix> Hi all, a few days ago, someone suggested instead of using public_html in my user directory to instead use /var/replaced-url
445[02:50:51] <katronix> -r--rw-r--
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447[02:53:11] <pingfloyd> what's the ownership and perms on the directory?
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450[02:55:38] <katronix> pingfloyd: sorry to clarify the directory I'm trying to save to is /var/replaced-url
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452[02:56:14] <pingfloyd> don't do that
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455[02:56:26] <pingfloyd> add the user that needs to write there to replaced-url
456[02:56:39] <pingfloyd> then log that user out and back in
457[02:57:28] <katronix> I'm connecting to the server via a program on my computer, do I need to exit the app also?
458[02:57:37] <katronix> (the app is a web editor)
459[02:58:05] <pingfloyd> you might
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462[02:58:28] <pingfloyd> you can check with groups command
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464[02:59:22] <katronix> I did, and I am part of the replaced-url
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466[03:00:46] <katronix> well it works now, thanks pingfloyd !
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473[03:03:49] <pingfloyd> no problem
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515[03:26:06] <Somelauw> I have changed my browser using update-alternatives yet some programs still open a different browser. Is there another browser selection mechanism that some use?
516[03:27:02] <MaBunny> use default options to select a particular file
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524[03:31:41] <pingfloyd> Somelauw: do you use a DE?
525[03:32:21] <Somelauw> no
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527[03:33:01] <Somelauw> but one of the programs that opens a different browser is zotero
528[03:33:44] <Somelauw> well, gnome-replaced-url
529[03:33:56] <pingfloyd> what about x-replaced-url
530[03:33:56] <Somelauw> which doesn't exist anymore
531[03:33:59] <missmbob> did you set sensible-browser?
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533[03:35:07] <pingfloyd> there can be quite a few places that control default web browser
534[03:35:13] <Somelauw> pingfloyd: also iceweasel
535[03:35:22] <pingfloyd> also other apps may be calling the executable more directly
536[03:35:30] <Somelauw> but x-replaced-url
537[03:35:38] <Somelauw> missmbob: opens firefox too
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539[03:35:46] <Somelauw> python webbrowser.open opens firefox
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541[03:36:41] <missmbob> i've heard firefox and iceweasel so i don't know what you're talking about. or what is opening in it's stead
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547[03:42:41] <Somelauw> missmbob: it was set to iceweasel, but not it's set to firefox, but running iceweasel just runs firefox so it doesn't really matter. it's opening palemoon instead.
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574[04:02:49] <LadyInRed> is there a command to list all users of a system??
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576[04:03:40] <TomTomTo1> cat /etc/passwd
577[04:03:56] <LadyInRed> ok
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583[04:04:47] <LadyInRed> whts tht Tom??
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585[04:05:28] <TomTomTo1> it's has all usernames listed in the first field.
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587[04:05:47] <LadyInRed> ok
588[04:05:54] <missmbob> i was still wonderfing what they meant. mysql users? mail users? shell users? *shrug*
589[04:06:15] <missmbob> and the lack of vowels is alarming
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591[04:06:51] <LadyInRed> so
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594[04:07:16] <LadyInRed> whts the command to output the root user of a sys?
595[04:07:35] <missmbob> it's called root
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597[04:08:00] <TomTomTo1> output the root user?
598[04:08:10] <TomTomTo1> 3d print him?
599[04:08:24] <missmbob> sexist
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601[04:08:38] <LadyInRed> no
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603[04:08:41] <TomTomTo1> :>
604[04:08:50] <LadyInRed> the name of the root user
605[04:08:56] <missmbob> it's root
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608[04:09:04] <Somelauw> i think i found it sort of. gnome-open 'replaced-url
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610[04:09:17] <Somelauw> Gnome is thus at fault and I don't even have gnome installed
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614[04:10:35] <LadyInRed> ok will be back in 15 mins from computer
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620[04:11:49] <pingfloyd> LadyInRed: taking a vowel movement?
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623[04:12:38] <missmbob> i'm kind of ashamed to not have thought of that
624[04:12:45] <stoned> smh
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627[04:14:00] <rjsalts> getent passwd > cat /etc/passwd
628[04:14:54] <Somelauw> please backup etc/passwd or something
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631[04:15:44] <rjsalts> I was saying getent passwd is better than cat /etc/passwd, not a redirect
632[04:15:47] <Somelauw> what are you doing
633[04:16:06] <pingfloyd> bad way to say it
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636[04:16:10] <Somelauw> oh, it looked like a scary comment to me
637[04:16:16] <rjsalts> in retrospect, yeah
638[04:16:16] <Somelauw> code*
639[04:16:28] <Somelauw> i'm supertired
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641[04:16:40] <missmbob> Somelauw: you were actually right
642[04:17:08] <missmbob> i didn't see it as "greater than" either
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648[04:20:16] <TomTomTo1> i'm too lazy to remember that.
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653[04:23:10] <rjsalts> It's probably not going to be much different, but if you have an exotic backend for passwords and it enumerates all users then they will show up in getent passwd, but not cat /etc/passwd
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655[04:23:44] <TomTomTo1> fair enough.
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660[04:24:43] <rjsalts> most things like ldap/sssd don't enumerate all the users, you have to ask them, who has this uid, or is foo a valid username
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742[05:13:43] <ByteStorm> yello
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746[05:15:56] <ByteStorm> hey hey
747[05:16:03] <ByteStorm> why cant i change nick
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765[05:28:19] <gtsr> i was installed debian
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767[05:28:34] <gtsr> it got hacked when i plugged in the eth cable during install
768[05:28:36] <gtsr> you know,
769[05:28:40] <gtsr> i never made it to the desktop
770[05:29:07] <jmcnaught> gtsr: how do you know it got hacked?
771[05:29:12] <gtsr> yes
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773[05:29:23] <gtsr> someone hacker locked it through the internet
774[05:29:27] <gtsr> the ethernet cable, i assume
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776[05:29:51] <jmcnaught> what did you see on your screen that led you to believe that it was hacked?
777[05:29:58] <gtsr> is there like a xp or windows channel on freenode
778[05:30:01] <gtsr> lets hope so
779[05:30:11] <gtsr> it straight didnt work i dunno
780[05:30:16] <gtsr> felt like
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782[05:30:24] <gtsr> when u install windows 2000 and someone
783[05:30:32] <gtsr> locks the pc after u boot once
784[05:30:37] <gtsr> like the pw is stolen
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786[05:30:41] <gtsr> and the station is locked
787[05:30:43] <gtsr> kind of thing
788[05:31:02] <gtsr> pc, box, computer
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791[05:31:24] <gtsr> router, switch, multiplier
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796[05:32:36] <gtsr> i guess no one calls it a multiplier
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801[05:33:28] <gtsr> whats with the different freenode thingies
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803[05:33:33] <gtsr> is one better than another
804[05:33:37] <gtsr> like morgan better than tepper
805[05:33:55] <gtsr> freenode secrets
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808[05:34:54] <gtsr> i guess knoppix is a form of debian
809[05:35:00] <gtsr> its debian based
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813[05:37:28] <bezaban> its not
814[05:37:45] <bezaban> it's a derivative
815[05:38:06] <WormFood> he's left the channel. He can't see what you said
816[05:38:20] <bezaban> so helpful
817[05:38:52] <bezaban> sorry
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903[06:38:05] <MarkovianIdiot> shw83fb2do1bwb . we have been working on the other side, but I don't know if you want me know f73yc727d
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905[06:38:20] <MarkovianIdiot> the other side, but it was a little more. if you are looking to buy it now, and the kids, but it is the best way to do it for you, and I am going through a lot more to the next week and the kids, but I am going through
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966[07:16:51] <technologov> hi all ! I have debmirror issues
967[07:16:52] <technologov> replaced-url
968[07:16:59] <technologov> replaced-url
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970[07:17:10] <technologov> Any ideas ?
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979[07:28:37] <OtakuSenpai> keep it simple
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981[07:29:04] <OtakuSenpai> try replaced-url
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983[07:30:10] <OtakuSenpai> *jessie main
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990[07:33:32] <jmcnaught> technologov: replaced-url
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993[07:34:12] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught hey bro
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995[07:34:38] <jmcnaught> hi
996[07:34:54] <technologov> jmcnaught, yeah, I have switched to ftp2.de.debian.org
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998[07:35:13] <technologov> anyway I had to disable GPG check, as I had getting errors
999[07:35:15] <OtakuSenpai> my debian is installed btw
1000[07:35:31] <OtakuSenpai> GPG is sec signature
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1004[07:36:23] <technologov> I have installed debian-keyring, and deapite that GPG checks failed with debianmirror
1005[07:36:44] <OtakuSenpai> maybe try a diff mirror
1006[07:37:15] <OtakuSenpai> srry but i cant view the link aatm
1007[07:37:55] <technologov> lemme finish download (without GPG check), then we will revisit the problem
1008[07:38:14] <jmcnaught> technologov: does the user have a line like "keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg" in their ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf? Check the /usr/share/doc/debian-keyring/README.gz
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1010[07:39:13] <technologov> jmcnaught, nope
1011[07:39:57] <technologov> and I only want to download stuff
1012[07:40:06] <technologov> why should I create my own keys ?
1013[07:40:33] <technologov> I don't have ~/.gnupg/ at all
1014[07:40:39] <jmcnaught> technologov: you're not creating your own keys, you're making the keys in debian-keyring accessible to the user that is doing mirroring
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1016[07:41:12] <jmcnaught> i've never attempted to mirror, but if you are getting GPG errors that could be the issue. you could also post the errors
1017[07:41:17] <technologov> jmcnaught, it doesn't make sense. (public) Keys should be accessible to everybody, by default.
1018[07:41:58] <technologov> (to all users in Debian system)
1019[07:42:30] <technologov> just like public keys of root CA SSL certificates are accessible to all web clients (all users)
1020[07:43:09] <jmcnaught> technologov: "gpg --list-keys" doesn't scan the entire hard drive, it looks for keys in ~/.gnupg. The keys in /usr/share/keyrings *are* accessible to all users on the systems, but they need to point configure their gnupg settings to know to look for them their
1021[07:43:13] <jmcnaught> errr.. there
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1023[07:44:41] <technologov> jmcnaught, something is very very wrong with this architecture... it needs to be accessible to all users, just like SSL certificates (root CA keys) are
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1025[07:45:44] <jmcnaught> technologov: not all users want the entire debian keyring mixed in with their own personal keyring. but i might be wrong about your issue, it's not clear what GPG error you're talking about
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1045[07:52:47] * simonlnu wouldn't want the entirety of debian's keyring in his personal stuff
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1047[07:54:14] * simonlnu also notes ke is doing the update and break thing in sid
1048[07:54:17] <simonlnu> kde*
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1102[08:30:44] <Elronnd> I accidentally set my root shell to a faulty path, and despite my doing export SHELL=/bin/bash, and su --shell /bin/bash --preserver-environment, I still get "Cannot execute faultypath: No such file or directory
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1112[08:34:16] <JonSnow> Hi...i am not able to understand how to extend my LVM....can it be done without actually formatting my physical device ?
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1120[08:35:47] <musca> Elronnd: did you try su?
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1127[08:36:09] <Elronnd> musca: that's *literally* what I just did, and what I just said I did
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1130[08:37:14] <mgedmin> JonSnow: could you clarify your question?
1131[08:37:17] <musca> Elronnd: yes, sorry.
1132[08:37:26] <mgedmin> LVM is the Logical Volume Manager; how does one extend a manager?
1133[08:37:35] <mgedmin> you can extend a logical volume
1134[08:37:42] <mgedmin> you can extend a volume group
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1138[08:38:08] <mgedmin> also, formatting physical devices is not something one does these days, now that floppy disks are dead
1139[08:38:11] <JonSnow> My current partition table is like this: replaced-url
1140[08:38:18] <mgedmin> you can format filesystems
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1143[08:39:08] <mgedmin> can you pastebin the output of df?
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1145[08:39:30] <musca> mgedmin: installing thin-provisioning-tools could count as extending the manager
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1148[08:40:13] <mgedmin> you don't have any free space in your volume group, so to enlarge the root volume you'd have to either add more space (e.g. a 2nd hard disk), or shrink some other volume (home)
1149[08:40:28] <JonSnow> mgedmin: output of df: replaced-url
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1151[08:40:48] <mgedmin> you can do all that without losing data (in theory; if you don't make mistakes and don't stumble upon bugs)
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1155[08:41:36] <JonSnow> mgedmin: ok..that sounds inspiring...any tutorial or guide available? how do i go about it ?
1156[08:41:48] <mgedmin> resize2fs can do online resizing, but I'm not sure it can _shrink_ a mounted filesystem
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1158[08:41:56] <mgedmin> the manual page implies it can only expand one
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1160[08:42:44] <mgedmin> so, you'd need to unmount /home
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1162[08:43:11] <mgedmin> is this a desktop or a server? by which I mean, is there a GUI desktop running?
1163[08:43:14] <jelly> shrinking has to be done offline, and there's a required forced fsck step before it
1164[08:43:32] <JonSnow> mgedmin: it's a desktop..running a GUI
1165[08:44:02] <mgedmin> I would expect the desktop to keep a bunch of files in /home open, preventing unmounting
1166[08:44:24] <jelly> and it's often faster to backup, nuke the filesystem, create a smaller one and restore than to shrink
1167[08:44:30] <mgedmin> so to shrink /home, you'd have to shut down the GUI (sudo service gdm stop -- or whatever display manager you have) and log in into a text console
1168[08:44:36] <mgedmin> OR boot from a livecd of some kind
1169[08:44:58] <JonSnow> mgedmin: yes..i imagined a livecd of some kind
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1171[08:45:03] <mgedmin> I wish I could recommend a good guide
1172[08:45:08] <mgedmin> or a good tool
1173[08:45:36] <JonSnow> jelly: no...don't want to nuke the filesystem! :(
1174[08:45:38] <mgedmin> I mean I can google and find something like replaced-url
1175[08:45:46] <mgedmin> skimming it looks like a reasonable thing
1176[08:46:04] <jelly> JonSnow: did you even read the rest
1177[08:46:04] <mgedmin> the steps are (1) unmount, (2) fsck, (3) resize2fs, (4) lvreduce
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1179[08:46:28] <mgedmin> be very very sure when calling lvreduce that you're not shrinking the logical volume to a size smaller than the filesystem size you specified in step 3
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1182[08:47:21] <JonSnow> jelly: yes...but restoring from backup is painful
1183[08:47:23] <mgedmin> another option would be to plug in an extra external HDD (formatted as ext4 ideally so you can preserve symlinks and file permissions)
1184[08:47:34] <mgedmin> copy everything from your /home there, nuke the current /home partition and create a smaller one, format, copy files back
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1186[08:47:49] <mgedmin> on the plus side you get a free backup :)
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1190[08:48:26] <jelly> JonSnow: and doing shrinking is usually more painful
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1192[08:48:52] <noobish-noob> I cannot download Debian
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1194[08:49:27] <JonSnow> jelly, mgedmin : this method of nuking the filesystem and restoring from backup just sounds scary to me. but the way you guys are mentioning it; it seems like everything will be back to the normal scenario
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1196[08:50:19] <JonSnow> i think i'll go ahead with nuking the filesystem and restoring from a back...
1197[08:51:01] <mgedmin> whichever method you're more confident in
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1199[08:51:23] <mgedmin> useful tip for the future: don't; allocate all the space for logical volumes at once
1200[08:51:31] <mgedmin> see how they grow and resize as necessary
1201[08:51:35] <noobish-noob> is there any way to get debian over a 56k modem in less than a week?
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1205[08:51:48] <mmin> exit
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1207[08:52:05] <noobish-noob> I live with my grandma and she is not open to getting cable or dial up or satellite
1208[08:52:22] <noobish-noob> See, my other grandparents where killed by nigger gangs in Compton
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1213[08:52:46] <JonSnow> mgedmin: yes..seems like it..
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1217[08:53:03] <JonSnow> thanks jelly mgedmin
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1222[08:54:40] <wildleaf> hi
1223[08:55:21] <wildleaf> how do you set the timezone for a specific user on a system?
1224[08:55:23] <OtakuSenpai> repartitioning again and again is bad btw
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1226[08:55:44] <OtakuSenpai> tzdata maybe
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1229[08:55:59] <mgedmin> the closest you can get is have that user export TZ=... in their ~/.profile or something
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1231[08:56:26] <mgedmin> of course .profile is not sourced for non-interactive shells, so 'ssh user@yourmachine date' will still use the gobal timezone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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1233[08:56:33] <mgedmin> unless maybe pam_environment can help somehow
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1237[08:57:35] <Elronnd> I accidentally set my root shell to a faulty path, and despite my doing export SHELL=/bin/bash, and su --shell /bin/bash --preserver-environment, I still get "Cannot execute faultypath: No such file or directory
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1240[08:58:14] <wildleaf> mgedmin: so youre saying that i wont matter when sshing into the machine?
1241[08:58:19] <wildleaf> it*
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1246[08:59:45] <mgedmin> no, ssh'ing for interactive sessions sources .profile
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1250[09:00:45] <Sneha_John> what is abstract class?
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1253[09:01:12] <mgedmin> a thing that has nothing to do with debian ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1254[09:01:26] <mgedmin> a class that is meant only to be subclassed and that cannot be instantiated
1255[09:01:28] <mgedmin> a programming term
1256[09:01:29] <Sneha_John> join /java
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1276[09:08:42] <wildleaf> thanks mgedmin that helped a lot :) just had to narrow down my google fu
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1491[11:04:07] <berty> hello guys, i need an advice about software... I want a remote control windows 7 from debian, adivce?
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1493[11:04:36] <jelly> berty: xfreerdp is a working remote desktop client
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1495[11:04:54] <jelly> there's also remmina
1496[11:05:12] <berty> jelly: remmina doesn't work, but server on windows 7?
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1498[11:05:47] <berty> i've tried rdesktop but it gives me a new session...
1499[11:06:07] <jelly> there's a command line parameter to connect to the console
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1505[11:08:09] <hgutmann> Hello.
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1508[11:08:32] <bzed> berty: remmina works well, but they all do rdp and they'll create a new session. you might need some vnc server which shares the current session....
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1512[11:09:05] <berty> bzed: ok, what server can i install on windows 7?
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1514[11:09:55] <hgutmann> I'm currently struggling with a phenomena which I can't grasp so far. I've exim, which calls a transport script (email2fax) when receiving a mail. Exim hands over some variables like $sender_address ($1) and a part of the email address ($2).
1515[11:10:24] <hgutmann> Now I've already debugged it down to a single line in the script, which fuzzes up $1 & $2 when the line is active.
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1517[11:10:38] <hgutmann> The line looks like this: mpack -s "Successful Fax to ${1}" -d ${TMP_LOG} ${TMP_FAX} ${2}
1518[11:11:03] <hgutmann> interpreter is set with #!/bin/sh, /bin/sh points to dash
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1524[11:13:13] <hgutmann> As soon as I uncomment the line in the script I do receive as $1 .... okayyyyy, light went on... starting to grasp what's going on...
1525[11:13:37] <hgutmann> Sometimes it helps to have a self conversation when audience is there... ;)
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1528[11:16:05] <mazert_> hello, i try to upgrade gear (a mail client) from 0.8 -> 0.11 by using jessie backport.
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1530[11:16:51] <mazert_> But after adding the repository, and refreshing packages list. apt do not want to upgrade geary, no updates are available
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1533[11:17:16] <hgutmann> Just in case someone wants to know: mpack sends report to the sender, which is again hitting my transport filter for mail2fax since the regex is set too loose there. Calling my script a 2nd time resulting in the values I didn't expect there.
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1535[11:17:31] <hgutmann> Didn't have the 2nd hit of the transport in exim on my radar.
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1537[11:18:10] <hgutmann> Need to set the transport / command execution to numeric hits only.
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1546[11:20:40] <jelly> ,v geary
1547[11:20:41] <judd> Package: geary on amd64 -- jessie: 0.8.2-1; jessie-backports: 0.11.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.11.1-1; stretch: 0.11.1-1
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1549[11:20:57] <mazert_> ok, i have to explicitly set the repository source when i use apt (with -t option)
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1551[11:21:25] <mazert_> but i do not udnerstand why
1552[11:21:28] <jelly> that's intentional for backports.
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1554[11:21:55] <jelly> this way you won't get EVERYTHING upgraded to versions available in backports repo
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1557[11:22:22] <jelly> however once you installed something with -t jessie-backports, it will keep getting upgrades from there
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1562[11:24:28] <mazert_> Ok i understand the reason. Can you tell me how it is possible, the repository has special headers for this ?
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1571[11:27:15] <jelly> yes
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1573[11:27:56] <jelly> NotAutomatic: yes
1574[11:27:56] <jelly> ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes
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1577[11:28:05] <jelly> mazert_: in the Release file
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1579[11:29:02] <mazert_> jelly: thanks you :)
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1647[11:50:48] <berty> jelly: it seems it works, i'm using tightvnc (server) on windows 7 and rammina (client) on linux.. thanks :)
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1731[12:17:50] <dethegeek> Hi all
1732[12:18:20] <dethegeek> I'm having issues with Nouveau and several computer (1st gen i7)
1733[12:18:53] <dethegeek> I searched for nvidia drivers, because I can't let my comput ers crashing
1734[12:19:14] <dethegeek> I'm surprised to see some packages providing the NVidia drivers
1735[12:19:27] <dethegeek> I always thought there were closed source
1736[12:19:50] <dethegeek> can someone tell me about this point ?
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1738[12:20:34] <technologov> Nouveau = open-source drivers
1739[12:20:41] <technologov> NVIDIA = closed-source drivers
1740[12:20:53] <technologov> NVIDIA are working perfectly; but I never used Nouveau drivrs
1741[12:21:16] <dethegeek> thanks,
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1743[12:22:36] <dethegeek> unfortunately, I must switch to NVidia.. I'm thinking about my next computer : would be better to switch to AMD graphics ?
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1746[12:23:29] <technologov> dethegeek, NVIDIA are working great with Linux with closed-source drivers
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1748[12:24:26] <dethegeek> technologov: yes, I know, one of my computers switched to to diagnose potential issue (GPU used by a VM with pass through)
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1751[12:24:53] <dethegeek> I just want to use open source at most
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1754[12:25:57] <dethegeek> I got readings years ago about AMD's GPU and their contribution with the linux community
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1759[12:27:04] <dethegeek> today I'm not aware of how they provide data to the community, and about the quality of their drivers . I preferred NVidia since... ever
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1762[12:27:29] <dethegeek> when I was still running an too closed system ;)
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1775[12:31:47] <technologov> dethegeek, Intel GPUs are most open
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1777[12:31:59] <technologov> AMD in between; average speed; average openness
1778[12:32:08] <technologov> NVIDIA are fastest but least open
1779[12:32:30] <technologov> so for cross-platform gamers (Windows gamers + Linux users) NVIDIA makes sense
1780[12:32:42] <technologov> for 100% Linux users, Intel GPUs makes sense
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1782[12:33:14] <technologov> NVIDIA also have much better support for old Linux distros
1783[12:33:23] <dethegeek> as I'm focusing exclusively on linux and prefer open source games (or clones or very oldies) this makes sense to me to switch to AMD or Intel.
1784[12:33:39] <technologov> so if you have a ten year old Linux dsitro, such as RHEL5 your chances with NVIDIA GPUs are much better
1785[12:33:51] <venkat_330> Possiblity of forcing user not to use previous password .
1786[12:33:52] <dethegeek> I'm under debian testing
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1790[12:35:25] <bazhang> #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) dethegeek
1791[12:35:29] <dethegeek> I st arted with debian, and over the time I appreciate the way debian choose whick packages are available in the main repos
1792[12:35:46] <bazhang> thats where testing is supported dethegeek
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1794[12:36:33] <technologov> dethegeek, for 100% Linux users with new distro, Intel GPU makes most sense IMO; Best open-source support. For Intel - Open-Source driver is the primary and the ONLY ONE exist for Linux
1795[12:36:38] <dethegeek> bazhang: thanks, I'll keep this in mind. For now I know my issue is about Nouveau : the other system with VM is a Proxmox box, then under debian st able :)
1796[12:36:50] <onra_> hi, can someone help me ? I'm trying to let the Debian installer use my WiFi
1797[12:36:57] <onra_> I've put the firmware on an ext2 partition on the USB key, but the installer can't find it
1798[12:36:59] <technologov> i.e. they don't have proprietary features in the proprietary drivers under the table
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1800[12:38:02] <dethegeek> Thank you very much for your suggestions. I'll have a deep look to Intel, I already thought they're are probably the best choice for open source, but I never found a powerful GPU (not serched too, I must admit)
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1804[12:38:38] <technologov> dethegeek, they are not too powerful, but they can handle basic OpenGL
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1807[12:39:25] <dethegeek> this may be a bit low for gzDoom, with my preferred mod.. and my VR heradset project
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1811[12:41:34] <dethegeek> Anyway, I'll use a dedicated computer for most games, I'll keep the nvidia device already plugged. I cannot throw a working device
1812[12:41:57] <dethegeek> .. maybe bin would be more approriate word...
1813[12:42:07] <linuxthefish> hey, how come wifi only comes up at boot with an ethernet cable plugged in?
1814[12:42:07] <dethegeek> anyway I must leave now. Thanks you again
1815[12:42:14] <dethegeek> bye
1816[12:42:14] <linuxthefish> i'm using interfaces file to configure it
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1820[12:44:20] <MikeSeth> Antares: и зачем нам это говно?
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1822[12:45:09] <Antares> ты че сучкарь?
1823[12:45:13] <Antares> пакупать
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1825[12:45:37] <MikeSeth> схуяли
1826[12:46:07] <Antares> надо потому что
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1828[12:46:18] <MikeSeth> мне не надо, прогорай быстрее
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1958[13:44:57] <bumbar> im trying to install vlc, but says it has unmet dependecies, so i've tried running apt-get install -f but it's not working, replaced-url
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1961[13:45:55] <Tester123> Hello, On debian 8 i cannot ping to a host in a domain named domain.local. Example hostname is mercury.domain.local. I am able to ping as mercury and domain search kicks in. But using it with domain name it shows as host is not found. My searches said that it can be a problem because avahi-daemon uses .local domain but said configuration in my config is commented out. Also after deactivating avahi it is still cannot be pinged.
1962[13:45:56] <ransur0t> bumbar: what debian release, architecture, etc?
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1965[13:46:43] <ransur0t> bumbar: try aptitude install vlc
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1968[13:47:54] <bumbar> ransur0t: dont have aptitude installed nor can i install it (unmet dependencies error)
1969[13:47:59] <rjsalts> bumbar, looks like you've got problems with trying to overwrite shared '/etc/vdpau_wrapper.cfg', which is different from other instances of package libvdpau1:amd64 in that paste
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1971[13:48:17] <rjsalts> bumbar, this is most likely conflict between amd64 version and i386 version
1972[13:48:18] <bumbar> ransur0t: i've had debian 8, amd64, but it seems ive landed on sid branch
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1974[13:49:07] <ransur0t> paste output of /etc/apt/sources.list
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1992[14:14:40] <Jaleks> is there some grub parameter to not resume into last hibernation state, but start normal?
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1997[14:17:45] <Tester123> i found the solution. By changing domain-name to something else from .local it searches again
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1999[14:17:57] <bumbar> ransur0t: sources.list replaced-url
2000[14:17:58] <c-c> Jaleks: thats is a little vague
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2002[14:18:22] <Rephlexie> Tester123, what did you edit out of curiosity?
2003[14:18:50] <c-c> Jaleks: do you mean - not to restart from suspend when system restarts for some strange reason? (suspend is not supposed to restart bios+bootloader afaics)
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2005[14:20:31] <Jaleks> i want to cancel the hibernated state and boot normal, as if the system had not been hibernated before
2006[14:21:02] <ransur0t> bumbar: you've got sources from stable and unstable/sid -- I suggest removing (commenting out) the version you don't want, then do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, see if that resolves your dependency issue with vlc
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2023[14:27:21] <technol9> hi all! Today I found out about a new command : implantisomd5 that can really implant an MD5 sum into ISO 9660 image. Any ideas on how to read it?
2024[14:27:36] <technol9> (Red Hat anaconda use it)
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2027[14:28:47] <Jaleks> "can later be compared (...) using the corresponding checkisomd5 command", says the man page, technol9
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2038[14:32:07] <c-c> technol9: thats not in Jessie -> off-topic here
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2041[14:32:41] <technol9> c-c implant Md5sum is part of Debian
2042[14:33:05] <bumbar> ransur0t: didnt work. ive tried both stable and unstable (seperately) but both times i get unmet dependencies when i run apt-get update
2043[14:33:07] <technol9> So Debian can clearly write such codes, but how to read it?
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2065[14:42:56] <lss8> there's a website which shows you which version of a given software ships on different platforms like Debian 7, 8, Ubuntu 15, .. I forgot it's address. Can somebody help? :)
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2080[14:44:49] <jelly> technol9: dunno, I'd look at all the tools in the isomd5sum package
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2083[14:45:31] <jelly> c-c: yes it is in jessie
2084[14:45:48] <jelly> judd: file bin/checkisomd5
2085[14:45:52] <judd> Search for bin/checkisomd5 in jessie/amd64: isomd5sum: usr/bin/checkisomd5
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2089[14:47:34] <Rephlexie> lss8, packages.debian.org ?
2090[14:47:35] <technologov> jelly, yeah, thanks ! indeed
2091[14:47:55] <technologov> jelly, I really came by random chance on this command (implantisomd5)
2092[14:48:03] <lss8> Rephlexie: but that only works for debian packages. the website I'm looking for also looks for ubuntu and other distro's packages
2093[14:48:13] <technologov> when I was remastering Red Hat DVD, but it seems useful in many cases
2094[14:48:25] <technologov> both for Debian and other stuff
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2104[14:52:48] <vespertine> I'm running kali as a vmware guest and ever since I created a new user theres always a stop job running when I poweroff the vm. "(1 of 2) A stop job is running for User Manager UID 133 / (2 of 2) A stop job is running for Session c1 of user Debian-gdm" anyone knows what to do?
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2106[14:53:10] <ransur0t> bumbar: apt-get dist-upgrade is probably a good thing to do ...
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2109[14:54:00] <petemc> !kali
2110[14:54:00] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2112[14:54:17] <vespertine> ok, sorry
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2161[15:13:26] <verm1n> !tails
2162[15:13:26] <dpkg> Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
2163[15:13:29] <verm1n> neat
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2187[15:25:16] <Budd> I'm consdering backing up a Debian (Raspbian) system by archiving 1) a list of installed packages and 2) all non-original-package files.
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2189[15:26:06] <Budd> Are there any arguments against this, and how can I get a list of files that belong to a package but have been changed?
2190[15:26:48] <lss8> yay. found the website: pkgs.org
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2192[15:27:13] <jelly> dpkg, tell Budd about things to backup
2193[15:27:19] <jelly> dpkg, tell Budd about aptitude clone
2194[15:27:22] <jelly> dpkg, tell Budd about raspbian
2195[15:27:50] <jelly> Budd: and also: /msg dpkg debsums
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2198[15:28:10] <jelly> for further help with raspbian ask in #raspbian channel please
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2201[15:28:36] <Budd> jelly: thanks. I didn't think this question was specific to raspbian.
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2209[15:33:38] <jelly> Budd: that doesn't matter. To ask here, what matters is whether you're using Debian or not
2210[15:33:51] <Budd> fair enough.
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2237[15:49:21] <erm3nda> Budd, for what you asked, i did the reverse way. I have a script to set up apt-get/pip/other packages, so i just have to keep track of the addition (in order to reinstall all of them to new box), and that of course in the case you don't wanna just clone it
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2243[15:50:29] <Budd> erm3nda: I dodn't know about that approach - thanks.
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2249[15:52:27] <erm3nda> Budd, seems you have to read a lot of things :-) before you can, starting from Unix folder structure and at least one scripting lang (bash,php,python) so you can install software programatically
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2253[15:53:28] <Budd> erm3nda: my scripting background is decent, as well as general UNIX setup - I just haven't done anything with package management besides the basics.
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2255[15:54:11] <erm3nda> well, my background is so bad, but i made my own scripts to install packages, then get /etc confs back for the future
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2257[15:54:29] <erm3nda> it's kinda easy as a text file with package names and a loop :-) that fires apt-get or whatever you need to
2258[15:55:39] <Budd> My home system is home-rolled, with each package-version-arch installed in a separate directory tree and merged by a hardlink-script. Very nice for compartmentalization, but not as nice to use as dpkg/apt.
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2260[15:56:15] <Ekchuan> I need a strategy like this
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2262[15:56:30] <Budd> (and certain things like xmlcatalog and gnome are hellish)
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2267[15:57:02] <erm3nda> :V seems you like things the hard way
2268[15:57:03] <erm3nda> enjoy
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2273[15:58:28] <c-c> erm3nda: in Debian you dont install packages using a script loop, you make a metapackage
2274[15:58:33] <Budd> I did it largely for the education. Compiling and setting up things from boot is a good (but necessarily useful) experience.
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2278[15:58:45] <c-c> a metapackage is, at simplest, a file with a list of packages to install
2279[15:59:18] <c-c> takes about 5 minutes to make, including googling up the instructions to do so
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2342[16:24:29] <indistylo> Folks, I want to do update ntp on my few GCE machines , I did enforced through puppet to all GCE machines, few of them dont got updated. I want deb7u7 version to get installed replaced-url
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2351[16:30:28] <unborn> indistylo: apt-get update ? if puppet then its not debian issue right?
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2353[16:30:31] <jelly> indistylo: what's a GCE? Can you show the complete output of "apt-get update" and "apt-get install ntp"?
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2355[16:30:39] <jelly> ,v ntp
2356[16:30:41] <judd> Package: ntp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; sid: 1:4.2.8p8+dfsg-1; stretch: 1:4.2.8p8+dfsg-1
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2361[16:33:22] <jelly> !bat
2362[16:33:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2364[16:33:47] <jelly> indistylo: ^^
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2378[16:40:18] <indistylo> jelly: GCE is google compute engine machines
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2498[17:20:39] <johnfg> hi folks
2499[17:21:29] <johnfg> I've got my server, recently moved, all configured and accessible again I think, except for the web hosting.
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2502[17:22:35] <johnfg> nslookup shows: `nslookup replaced-url
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2506[17:24:08] <johnfg> Is there somewhere in my config files where I'm supposed to change the address for my homepage?
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2520[17:31:04] <johnfg> Any ideas as to how I can find out what I need to reconfigure to have my homepage working and accessible? I do get to most of it, from the server, with localhost. But even that is not drawing in the other components that are looking to replaced-url
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2533[17:34:48] <c-c> johnfg: this is debian linux support
2534[17:35:21] <c-c> johnfg: your server conf has its own channel or forum
2535[17:35:22] <teclo-> heh
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2538[17:35:35] <c-c> if it is apache, try #httpd
2539[17:35:35] <teclo-> and we won't help you with your dishwasher either
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2545[17:37:24] <johnfg> c-c: Yeah, is that #apache then?
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2560[17:41:29] <n3ptun> hi all. I have installed and using iptables-persistent. Is there no way to restart on-the-fly with something like "service iptables-persistent restart" ?? I cannot find any service, neither in /etc/init.d nor on systemd. I am running latest Jessie version. Any help appreciated
2561[17:41:41] <johnfg> What's the command to paste things on like, dpaste?
2562[17:43:07] <c-c> johnfg: use pastie or gist
2563[17:43:44] <johnfg> c-c: Thanks, I have pastebinit, which works too.
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2566[17:44:29] <c-c> johnfg: except most don't like it and some cannot read it
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2574[17:47:23] <jelly> johnfg: pastebinit -b replaced-url
2575[17:48:05] <jelly> johnfg: does "nslookup full.server.name" from a client system point to the right IP address?
2576[17:48:27] <jelly> johnfg: which debian release do you have on the server and which http server software?
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2582[17:49:24] <jelly> c-c: pastebinit even defaults to paste.debian.net on jessie, what are you talking about
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2586[17:49:45] <c-c> jelly: ask around. For example try pastebinning in #bash.
2587[17:49:59] <missmbob> you're thinking pastebin.com
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2591[17:51:58] <jelly> c-c: are you sure you know what you're talking about, the pastebinit tool
2592[17:51:59] <c-c> missmbob: exactly
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2595[17:52:15] <missmbob> c-c: right. we're not talking about the same thing.
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2597[17:52:21] <c-c> jelly: I am talking about pastebin.com
2598[17:52:27] <missmbob> c-c like jelly said, pastebinit defaults to paste.debian.net
2599[17:52:32] <c-c> my bad :)
2600[17:52:38] <jelly> c-c: that's not what the user said.
2601[17:52:41] <johnfg> jelly: I've got jessie, with all the latest updates, including for apache2.
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2608[17:55:09] <jelly> johnfg: you want to figure out: 1) whether your dns is correct, so clients can ask the correct server 2) whether network connectivity from client to server is fine, do packets arrive at the server 3) whether the traffic can reach the http service or there's a local firewall on the server
2609[17:55:31] <jelly> johnfg: 4) whether the http service is running and configured correctly
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2613[17:57:48] <jelly> johnfg: and unlike what c-c says, there are people that can help with debian specifics to some of these steps in here.
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2615[17:58:19] <jelly> punting a user to #httpd right away is silly when we don't know if httpd is to blame at all
2616[17:58:56] <jelly> c-c: so please avoid doing that in the future
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2625[18:00:56] <c-c> jelly: I do my best to avoid not understanding!
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2630[18:02:57] <c-c> jelly: I must add that you told me this is not a server support channel last winter so that is why I directed johnfg to #httpd
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2633[18:04:21] <johnfg> Oy vey! A comment about port 80 got me going. Somehow, port 80 wasn't opened on the router here at the new office, and when reconfiguring, I'd missed that. Thanks for being willing to help guys!
2634[18:04:23] <c-c> jelly: so, for the future? is this channel for supporting the software packages that come with debian or not?
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2640[18:05:55] <johnfg> jelly: c-c: I understand the context you're speaking about. Of course, this is primarily a debian support channel. But there's much perhaps specific to debian/apache2/httpd, that you fine folks here would be willing to help with.
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2650[18:10:21] <jelly> c-c: of course it is
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2654[18:11:00] <jelly> johnfg: (router, tcp port 80) that'd be network connectivity yeah
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2664[18:15:57] <jelly> c-c: how do you tell what is "part of debian" and what is merely a package that "comes with debian"
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2673[18:20:26] <tremon> c-c: my criterion is if I can reproduce/investigate the issue on my local machine. If I can't do that (because of non-standard sources or exotic configuration) I might refer a person upstream
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2676[18:21:41] <tremon> but it also depends on how many other people in the channel are responding
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2685[18:22:33] <jelly> another reason for me avoiding pointing to #httpd right away is they get nervous with debian-specific config layout
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2701[18:30:06] <DC85> Greetings, everyone, i'm in a RAID panic situation, can someone try to help
2702[18:30:53] <EmleyMoor> DC85: describe the situation
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2710[18:33:10] <DC85> EmleyMoor I have a file server set up with two RAID arrays. One Array is raid 1 and holds the root file system. The other array is a RAID10 one and hold Data. The raid10 array is composed by 4 active disks and one spare disk. Let me describe further.
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2719[18:36:54] <DC85> EmleyMoor some drive failed in this Raid10 array and it got disassembled. I did some checks with "mdadm -D /dev/mdX" which report 2 stoped drives. I then tried to assemble the array with "mdadm --assemble --scan" but the system couldnt do it. Let me describe it further.
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2721[18:38:48] <tremon> iirc, if mdadm -D still reports the array, it is still assembled
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2723[18:38:59] <DC85> EmleyMoor while trying to -add thoses two downed drives to their respective array, i by mistake entered another drive array, the file system one. Those two drives got added (by my mistake) as spare disks to the RAID1 array and seems that their super-block got written
2724[18:39:28] <DC85> EmleyMoor i am now in panic and don't know what to do
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2729[18:40:23] <RoyK> DC85: Don't Panic (tm)
2730[18:40:40] <RoyK> DC85: I asked you on #linux-raid if you explain the problem, please do there
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2741[18:43:31] <DC85> RoyK thank you mister may i copy the same thing i wrote?
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2757[18:49:14] <stoned> Is there a cli only sticky notes app for debian
2758[18:49:22] <stoned> I need to take notes so I don't forget but I don't use a gooey gui
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2769[18:57:32] <RoyK> stoned: it's called vim
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2782[19:01:23] <AlexLikeRock> someone app to upload pic to Open Street Maps?
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2802[19:05:06] <BlessJah> what is preffered and safe way to sufix/prefix LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable?
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2809[19:07:59] <tremon> BlessJah: systemwide, for one process, for one user?
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2812[19:08:26] <johnfg> To be sure: debian jessie uses apache2.conf instead of httpd.conf, correct?
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2826[19:12:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, it must, because I don't have a httpd.conf
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2829[19:13:34] <BlessJah> tremon: doesn't matter - what I'm asking about is corner case
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2832[19:14:05] <BlessJah> assuming that LD_LIBRARY_PATH is empty, export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/unimportant:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH is horrible idea
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2836[19:15:41] <CutMeOwnThroat> not so totally horrible
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2838[19:15:47] <tremon> setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH is a horrible idea anyway
2839[19:15:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> but you can do better in bash
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2841[19:16:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> tremon, not really horrible
2842[19:16:33] <CutMeOwnThroat> "it depends"
2843[19:16:41] <BlessJah> CutMeOwnThroat: try "touch libc.so.6 ; LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/meh: ls" then
2844[19:16:43] <BlessJah> :D
2845[19:16:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> BlessJah, why'd I want to do that
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2849[19:17:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> actually I'm not even sure an empty element is interpreted as "." anymore
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2853[19:17:44] <BlessJah> you may happen to have that dangling ':' in LD_LIBRARY_PATH (see "horrible idea" above) and cd into directory that contains some libraries
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2860[19:18:38] <tremon> if I were writing something for me that needed LD_LIBRARY_PATH, I would always assume that it was empty and just clobber over it with whatever I need
2861[19:18:40] <BlessJah> yes, it is still interpreted as CWD, tested against sid, current and previous ubuntu LTS and centos
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2864[19:18:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> you can do something like this: echo bla${bla:-}
2865[19:19:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> then set bla=:xxx and do it again
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2870[19:19:43] <BlessJah> hum, might be solution at least for bash
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2877[19:20:31] <tremon> works in dash as well
2878[19:20:40] <BlessJah> good to know
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2901[19:28:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> BlessJah, anyway, modules
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2909[19:33:59] <BlessJah> CutMeOwnThroat: modules?
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2915[19:35:15] <BlessJah> after some thinking (and going through parameter substitution reference): simple if is far better
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2925[19:40:46] <spacebug^> When running X as a normal user, root can open programs on X. Normal other user can't. How can I open up for one user to be able to do that?
2926[19:41:03] <nkuttler> spacebug^: root can't just open x apps, that's not true
2927[19:41:16] <nkuttler> in somebody elses session
2928[19:41:27] <spacebug^> what the.. I think I have done that. Gonna check
2929[19:41:30] <BlessJah> spacebug^: you're probably looking for `xhost`
2930[19:41:53] <spacebug^> actually I can
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2932[19:42:06] <nkuttler> spacebug^: that's abnormal
2933[19:42:20] <spacebug^> in a terminal I do "su -" to become root
2934[19:42:24] <nkuttler> !tell spacebug^ about root x
2935[19:42:27] <spacebug^> then I start firefox in that termianl
2936[19:42:47] <spacebug^> this is a normal debian 8 install
2937[19:42:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> then you somehow started the session as root
2938[19:42:56] <BlessJah> something, something, $XAUTHORITY?
2939[19:43:05] <stoned> RoyK: *sigh*
2940[19:43:09] <stoned> unhelpful at best.
2941[19:43:18] <stoned> And this is probably not a good time for me to be on IRC. I'm irritable.
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2944[19:43:33] <stoned> And people offering stupid remarks kind of making ticked.
2945[19:43:35] <stoned> *afk*
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2950[19:45:13] <spacebug^> CutMeOwnThroat: well gdm and X is run by root?
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2952[19:45:26] <spacebug^> but the session is a user
2953[19:45:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> but you usually don't log in as root
2954[19:45:41] <spacebug^> no and I have not
2955[19:46:02] <spacebug^> strange thing is that the firefox Iran as root does not show using "ps aux | grep fire"
2956[19:46:08] <spacebug^> but the windows is there
2957[19:46:26] <spacebug^> xprop does not say who runt it does it?
2958[19:46:34] <CutMeOwnThroat> no
2959[19:46:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> but xauth without options says which file it uses
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2961[19:47:50] <spacebug^> Using authority file /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-spacebug-53wGjs/database
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2964[19:48:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> you'd probably get that behavior if you chowned that file so that only root can read it
2965[19:48:14] <spacebug^> but that does not say anything about that particual program?
2966[19:48:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> err chmod*
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2968[19:48:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> or one of the directories above so that only root can switch into it (owner root, go-x as permission)
2969[19:49:05] <spacebug^> actually the firefox window that was started belongs to user spacebug because it has the same settings and download history
2970[19:49:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> spacebug^, root's xauth is using that file?
2971[19:49:47] <spacebug^> running both xauth in spacebugs terminal window and the window where I have done "su -" says that
2972[19:50:07] <spacebug^> so root actuallt runs it as spacebug here anyway?
2973[19:50:31] <CutMeOwnThroat> no, root just still has XAUTHORITY set
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2980[19:52:05] <spacebug^> what does that mean? Since the user spacebug first opened the terminal it has some environment set that root gets?
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2992[19:56:30] <spacebug^> Oh, Now I ran firefox as root. Probalby did somethign wrong before. Ok, so gdm creates a file only accessible by the user starting the session. But since root can access all files, root can in this case open programs that way
2993[19:56:34] <spacebug^> ?
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2995[19:57:02] <bumbar> i'm trying to change to unstable branch, i've commented every line in /etc/apt/souces.list but the first 2 in this paste replaced-url
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2997[19:57:16] <bumbar> when i run apt-get upgrade, i get unmet dependecies error
2998[19:57:29] <bumbar> i've tried removingreinstalling those packages, but nothing works
2999[19:58:46] <missmbob> bumbar: that's what happens with unstable. read the /topic and go to #debian-next on oftc for unstable support
3000[19:58:49] <mutante> bumbar: maybe you just need "main" and dont care about non-free and contrib and removing them avoids some of that
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3005[20:00:23] <bumbar> mutante: i just want to install vlc, but i've fucked some things up and landed on unstable and now i've this problems. i'll reinstall debian when i get home
3006[20:01:16] <mutante> bumbar: good luck, yep. as missmbob said, you can ask for support on oftc but only stable support over here
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3009[20:01:58] <bumbar> says i need invite for #debian-next
3010[20:02:30] <maurer> bumbar: aiui #debian-next has moved to irc.oftc.net
3011[20:02:36] <maurer> bumbar: thus why the one over here is locked
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3047[20:21:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's actually never been here
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3056[20:25:17] <unborn> bumbar: sure.. it means only proper devs get access during an dev time.. no support provided
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3060[20:25:59] <unborn> at all..nada zero.. simply put it if you cannot contribute anything there just questions regards resolving - you out unless someone would invite you :)
3061[20:26:00] <lawrence-paralla> Hey :)
3062[20:26:05] <lawrence-paralla> Having an issue with nginx and spaces
3063[20:26:09] <lawrence-paralla> With php-fpm
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3066[20:26:21] <lawrence-paralla> It's odd, it just doesn't seem to want to read the file if it has a space in it
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3081[20:30:31] <unborn> lawrence-paralla: ah php-fpm - that is not debian related at all..
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3083[20:30:42] <lawrence-paralla> I know but you guys are super helpful
3084[20:30:45] <lawrence-paralla> (Sorry!)
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3087[20:32:08] <unborn> dont be sorry - you've asked.. its totally cool :)
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3090[20:33:56] <duelle> lawrence-paralla: Just in case you did not try that yet, you could check whether the guys at #nginx can help you.
3091[20:34:01] <lawrence-paralla> Secretly possibly running our architecture on Ubuntu but the community around Debian is just better
3092[20:34:09] <lawrence-paralla> I'll have a look, thanks duelle :)
3093[20:34:33] <bipul> I have ext4 file system. Now i would like to make it XFS ? it it possible?
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3098[20:36:02] <mdlpe> hi, how to mount a hd by UUID (not fstab modification)
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3104[20:38:46] <jelly> bipul: backup, reformat to xfs, restore
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3107[20:39:17] <unborn> bipul: sure.. load live cd of debian and start gparted and format your disk as you need. - perhaps burn gparted iso it self.. same effect
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3110[20:39:42] <petn-randall> unborn: You're missing out some important details ...
3111[20:39:44] <TomTomTosch> mdlpe: by mounting /dev/disk/by-uuid/<uuid>
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3114[20:40:07] <mdlpe> I found : mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/uuid-identifier destination
3115[20:40:09] <stoned> xfs, eh.
3116[20:40:15] <unborn> petn-randall: which one?
3117[20:40:25] <stoned> Not so recommended without a UPS, especially in lightning areas.
3118[20:40:29] <mdlpe> TomTomTosh, thanks
3119[20:40:29] <unborn> i answered the op questions as he asked..
3120[20:40:33] <petn-randall> unborn: The part where you actually copy all the data off and back on again.
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3122[20:40:49] <unborn> petn-randall: he did not asked that
3123[20:40:55] <petn-randall> unborn: Oh, technically correct! The best kind of correct :)
3124[20:40:56] <unborn> anyway I get the message
3125[20:40:58] <stoned> Abrupt powerloss causes XFS corruption, make no mistake, journal isn't fully reliable.
3126[20:41:01] <zwamkat> I'm trying to downgrade iceweasel. apt-cache showpkg iceweasel show me dependencies but I can't find a list of available older versions of the package. Suggestions?
3127[20:41:05] <stoned> XFS can be a bit goofy.
3128[20:41:30] <jelly> no fs with journal is "fully reliable", that includes ext4 as well
3129[20:41:36] <TomTomTosch> zwamkat: apt-cache policy iceweasel
3130[20:41:37] <stoned> *nod*
3131[20:41:40] <petn-randall> unborn: replaced-url
3132[20:41:45] <stoned> Why do you want to switch from ext4 to xfs?
3133[20:42:11] <unborn> petn-randall: :) thanks for making my mood better ;)
3134[20:43:10] <zwamkat> TomTomTosch: Magic! Cheers!
3135[20:43:24] <RoyK> stoned: goofy? how? RHEL/CentOS uses xfs by default now - better for large filesystems
3136[20:43:35] <`Kevin> i prefer XFS these days for many things ^
3137[20:44:00] <stoned> I'm sure servers with large FS run on redundant PSU
3138[20:44:16] <`Kevin> typically
3139[20:44:19] <nkuttler> zwamkat: downgrade is not supported on debian..
3140[20:44:21] <unborn> RoyK: ...by you saying on base of ??
3141[20:44:23] <nkuttler> !tell zwamkat about bat
3142[20:44:30] <jelly> RoyK: heh, I used the "if RHEL supports it, it's stable" rule of thumb when switching to ext4 as well
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3144[20:45:11] <TomTomTosch> nkuttler: installing iceweasel 38.8 will be no problem.
3145[20:45:29] <stoned> 45.3.0 is my firefox in debian stable.
3146[20:45:34] <stoned> I can't remember how it got into here.
3147[20:45:44] <stoned> Doesn't debian stable only have iceweasel
3148[20:45:53] <nkuttler> TomTomTosch: i don't need help
3149[20:46:01] <jelly> stoned: now it has firefox-esr instead
3150[20:46:10] <zwamkat> nkuttler: your !tell did not do anything... What do you want to tell me? *curious*
3151[20:46:17] <jelly> (iceweasel remains a transitional dummy package)
3152[20:46:18] <stoned> Ahh.
3153[20:46:25] <TomTomTosch> nkuttler: what you said was not helpful.
3154[20:46:35] <nkuttler> zwamkat: the bot sent you a msg. basically, apt-cache policy etc of all packages
3155[20:46:48] <nkuttler> TomTomTosch: if you want to help people do that. your meta discussion is pointless
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3158[20:47:20] <jelly> zwamkat: you should have gotten a private message from "dpkg" bot, maybe in a separate irc client window/tab
3159[20:47:32] <zwamkat> nkuttler: Right. The bot fell of my screen ;-) Found it. Cheers.
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3163[20:47:59] <stoned> replaced-url
3164[20:48:12] <stoned> zwamkat: bot knows a lot. Try this instead of google too
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3166[20:48:54] <stoned> s/instead of/as well as/
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3168[20:49:18] <zwamkat> stoned: Cheers, I'll add it to my list of "things I wanna read".
3169[20:49:27] <TomTomTosch> zwamkat: apt-get install iceweasel=38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1 will be enough for you to downgrade to the old iceweasel.
3170[20:49:31] <fds34> Hi guys. Anybody here using Gnome on stable?
3171[20:49:39] <fds34> Is it any good or is it too outdated?
3172[20:49:49] <abrotman> fds34: works fine for me, but I don't have complicated usage
3173[20:49:56] <stoned> heh, I did apt-get --purge remove ^.gnome* just like twonights ago. Cleaning up
3174[20:50:16] <stoned> I use a few gtk applications for everyday work but not the full env.
3175[20:50:32] <abrotman> fds34: My laptop is a bit aged, due to be replaced. The bigger issue is Firefox, damn memory hog.
3176[20:50:44] <mtn> fds34: it is very usable
3177[20:50:50] <stoned> abrotman: I thought you were an opera man
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3181[20:51:39] <jelly> things changed since 2010, stoned
3182[20:51:57] <stoned> Seemingl so far, for the better.
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3193[20:56:52] <fds34> I'm interested if Gnome 3.14 performance is good, enough... the seem to have made performance improvements in later versions
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3195[20:57:17] <mtn> fds34: like I said, it is very usable.
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3198[21:01:19] <simonlnu> sorry for the bounce bouncy
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3200[21:02:34] <bipul> And how to disable ACL on ext4 file system ?
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3206[21:03:50] <simonlnu> why?
3207[21:04:47] <abrotman> stoned: I'm still using it for different things, but the memory consumption seemed even worse. Maybe it's changed back.
3208[21:05:11] <abrotman> fds34: it's far better than it was at like 3.4
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3286[21:50:50] <cristian33> hi all, could somebody help me about a three interface firewall machine using debian jessie? I would need to FTP the second 'inside' from the first one and connection hangs. Thx
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3362[22:30:31] <exezin> "Loading libc6-udeb failed for unknown reasons. Aborting."
3363[22:30:48] <exezin> My friend is getting this issue with unstable netinstall (on a usb, installed via unetbootin)
3364[22:31:01] <petn-randall> !testing installer
3365[22:31:02] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
3366[22:31:27] <petn-randall> exezin: ^^^ try the stable installer and dist-upgrade from there.
3367[22:31:31] <exezin> He can't
3368[22:31:41] <exezin> The issue he is having is a black screen, He's on Intel HD 530
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3370[22:31:53] <exezin> And anything that's kernel version 4.4 and below doesnt appear to work
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3372[22:32:00] <petn-randall> ouch
3373[22:32:02] <exezin> Yeah
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3375[22:32:18] <petn-randall> exezin: How did you prepare the installation medium?
3376[22:32:18] <exezin> I've been trying to help him for 2~ weeks, found no real fix yet
3377[22:32:33] <exezin> unetbootin, first he tried the mini.iso
3378[22:32:36] <exezin> Which didnt seem to boot at all
3379[22:32:44] <petn-randall> Ah, unetbootin is the problem.
3380[22:32:46] <petn-randall> !unetbootin
3381[22:32:47] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
3382[22:32:49] <exezin> so he tried using the debian/unstable-netinstall x64 option
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3385[22:33:07] <exezin> !usb install
3386[22:33:07] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
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3388[22:33:14] <grantwu> How do I chown a file to a particular UID?
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3390[22:33:44] <exezin> petn-randall: unetbootin has its own option for debian netinstall, would that also cause the same issue?
3391[22:33:51] <exezin> (The option where it downloads the iso on its own and what-not)
3392[22:33:52] <stoned> grantwu: you can do it just like that.
3393[22:33:59] <grantwu> stoned: ?
3394[22:34:07] <grantwu> like, chown 50 <file> ?
3395[22:34:15] <stoned> Sure
3396[22:34:28] <grantwu> oh, derp
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3398[22:34:46] <grantwu> Wait, does this mean that numeric usernames are not allowed?
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3400[22:35:12] <grantwu> Ah hrm, no, that makes sense
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3402[22:35:18] <exezin> I'll get him to try the mini.iso without unetbootin, thanks for the help
3403[22:35:55] <stoned> grantwu: read the man page. man chown
3404[22:36:04] <petn-randall> exezin: Good idea
3405[22:36:12] <exezin> Already this channel is significantly more helpful than #ubuntu or #linux
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3407[22:36:26] <petn-randall> exezin: If anything doesn't work, it's best to come on here with the failing machine next to you so we can debug the issue.
3408[22:36:44] <exezin> Yeah I'll get him to come over here if we get no success, thanks
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3411[22:37:06] <petn-randall> exezin: You're welcome. Good luck!
3412[22:37:13] <exezin> \o/
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3434[22:47:16] <winsen> Hi all
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3437[22:48:01] <exezin> \o
3438[22:48:13] <`Kevin> o/
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3440[22:48:39] <winsen> does anyone why I can't access internet automatically: I often use to log from terminal with ifup wlan0...? any clue: replaced-url
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3443[22:49:02] <winsen> I wonder if it has to do with my network interfaces
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3446[22:50:32] <c-c> winsen: you dont have a network manager installed, or it doesn't start maybe?
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3454[22:53:56] <`Kevin> winsen: you might need allow-hotplug instead of auto
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3469[22:58:26] <winsen> `Kevin: allow-hotplug eth0 instead of auto eth0?
3470[22:58:33] <winsen> or..?
3471[22:58:34] <`Kevin> wlan0
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3474[22:58:58] <`Kevin> if that is indeed the one not coming up
3475[22:59:01] <winsen> `Kevin: can you tell me what is the difference/why?
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3485[23:01:34] <`Kevin> winsen: wlan0 might not be ready when auto wlan0 is read
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3487[23:02:41] <`Kevin> hotplug will notify the kernel when a state change happens regarding wlan0 and bring it up
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3491[23:04:29] <`Kevin> basically when an even occurs that makes wlan0 usable it will bring it up versus trying to bring it up when it is not ready
3492[23:04:32] <`Kevin> event/
3493[23:05:00] <`Kevin> again thats my assumption of what is happening, it depends on what hardware you have, the driver, etc..
3494[23:06:18] <`Kevin> replaced-url
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3497[23:07:24] <winsen> `Kevin: what is exactly the job of "allow-hotplug"?
3498[23:07:25] <exezin> Is there any specific way to install mini.iso to a usb on osx?
3499[23:07:30] <exezin> unetbootin and dd both dont work
3500[23:07:41] <`Kevin> winsen: url ^
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3507[23:09:00] <winsen> `Kevin: is it true to add, auto lo, eth0, wlan0 instead of separating all of them?
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3509[23:09:08] <yebakl> ahh it' a wonderful day
3510[23:09:33] <exezin> (perhaps a specific tool or something?)
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3513[23:10:30] <winsen> `Kevin: are still there?
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3516[23:11:58] <`Kevin> winsen: i havent done that, you can try it... best way to learn along with reading man page :)
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3524[23:14:34] <exezin> !usb install
3525[23:14:35] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
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3529[23:15:04] <exezin> damn, no mention of osx anywhere
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3532[23:18:09] <winsen> I tried to repair grub from debian's terminal, from ubuntu live usb, I followed steps boot repair and did 3 times.. unfortunately it doesn't work either, any clue guys? this is the ubuntu log: replaced-url
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3534[23:18:48] <Klaus_Dieter> exezin: mostly you can dd image to usb sticks and they will boot
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3537[23:19:14] <exezin> hm alright, we tried that with no success but I suppose we can try again
3538[23:19:57] <exezin> sudo dd if=/dir/to/mini.iso of=/dev/disk1s1 <- does that look correct?
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3540[23:20:07] <Klaus_Dieter> add bs=2048
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3542[23:20:16] <Klaus_Dieter> or even bs=1M
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3544[23:20:51] <winsen> `Kevin: is it correct to write auto lo, eth0, wlan0?
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3546[23:21:05] <exezin> Alright, we'll try that thanks
3547[23:21:05] <babilen> exezin: You typically don't want the mini.iso (but a standard installer image such as the netinst) and you want to write directly to the stick and not a partition
3548[23:21:35] <Klaus_Dieter> exezin: write to /dev/diskFOO instead of the partition
3549[23:21:38] <`Kevin> exezin: convert the iso to UDRW on osx before writing
3550[23:21:41] <babilen> exezin: And you can also use cp if you don't want to type all that stuff for dd (it also scales the blocksize automatically, so you don't have to deal with that bs)
3551[23:21:43] <`Kevin> since you are using osx
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3553[23:22:04] <winsen> any clue guys about the Grub repair?
3554[23:22:14] <winsen> any clue guys about Grub repair?
3555[23:22:23] <exezin> babilen: the standard installer wont work in this case, unfortunetly
3556[23:22:30] <exezin> unstable is required right from the start
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3560[23:23:43] <babilen> exezin: You still don't want the mini.iso -- Grab, for example, the netinst with firmware from replaced-url
3561[23:24:01] <babilen> exezin: See replaced-url
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3563[23:24:23] <exezin> I'll give the bs=1M a try and the URDW thing
3564[23:24:23] <babilen> (you can also download CD1, DVD1, .. if you like)
3565[23:24:38] <babilen> exezin: Just use cp and don't care about blocksize
3566[23:24:41] <babilen> Ah well ..
3567[23:25:05] <babilen> dpkg: hybrid image
3568[23:25:06] <dpkg> Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See replaced-url
3569[23:25:14] <babilen> Just in case this ^^^ wasn't clear
3570[23:25:40] <babilen> But try your luck with mini.iso and whatever you want to try first
3571[23:25:42] <exezin> What are those?
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3573[23:25:45] <exezin> well
3574[23:25:47] <exezin> what kernel version?
3575[23:25:50] <exezin> it needs to be 4.5+
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3577[23:25:56] <babilen> Yes, hence my suggestion
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3580[23:26:18] <TomTomTosch> stretch and sid both have the 4.6 kernel.
3581[23:26:27] <babilen> There isn't a sid installer
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3584[23:26:42] <exezin> Alright, I'll pass that info along, thanks
3585[23:27:25] <winsen> `Kevin: anyway thanks
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3587[23:27:39] <`Kevin> yep :)
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3589[23:28:02] <winsen> c-c: I removed both wicd and NM
3590[23:28:24] <winsen> c-c: so No I don't.
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3592[23:29:11] <winsen> `Kevin: any clue about the grub?
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3595[23:30:10] <`Kevin> not offhand, then again i dont have enough time to read through that carefully
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3600[23:32:19] <winsen> `Kevin: I tried to repair grub from debian's terminal, from ubuntu live usb, I followed steps boot repair and did 3 times.. unfortunately it doesn't work either, any clue guys? this is the ubuntu log: replaced-url
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3634[23:49:00] <tp43_> I messed up and installed 32 bit debian instead of 64bit, must I re-install to get 64 bit?
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3641[23:51:14] <missmbob> tp43_: yes
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3643[23:51:28] <tp43_> missmbob, r u sure
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3645[23:52:30] <missmbob> tp43_: yes
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3648[23:53:09] <tp43_> can I re-install from within debian, or I have to reformat
3649[23:53:22] <missmbob> you redo everything.
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3652[23:54:08] <jmcnaught> !crossgrade
3653[23:54:08] <dpkg> Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try replaced-url
3654[23:54:39] <jmcnaught> tp43_: it's possible to do, but quicker and easier to reinstall especially if it's a brand new installation
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3657[23:55:30] <tp43_> jmcnaught, thx
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3660[23:57:14] <TomTomTosch> i wonder if those instructions even work for jessie.
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