3[00:00:32] <SpeakerToMeat> themill: I want to avoid upstream
updating my changed package, as I see it I could do a few things,
one is to increase the version a major or so artifitially, in stable
this shouldn't get overwritten, another is to use apt.kar hold
on the package na dpray, I wonder if there's any way compatible
with debian version format and dch of saying "this is version
2.1-deb9-mine", and the last is to rename the package
4[00:00:34] <SpeakerToMeat> to package-mine but this would
mean changing control, changelog, etc
5[00:00:52] <Brigo> memo1, i was wondering about a message
from SpeakerToMeat
8[00:01:31] <memo1> Brigo: im learning. Irc is great. What is
SpeakerToMeat?
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10[00:01:54] <themill> SpeakerToMeat: renaming the package
means dependencies would not be satisfied; possibly not what you
want. hold or pinning is better for this
11[00:01:56] <Brigo> memo1, another user (i hope) writing now
in this channel.
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33[00:12:00] <nezZario> Okay. So accidentally did a hard power
off, and now i cant boot into graphical. That terminal on
'F7', gets to a certain point,, and just sits there and
blinks. I'm running lightdm and xfce, never had an issue before
34[00:12:27] <nezZario> I unplugged all non essential hardware
just to see and that's a no go
48[00:16:45] <nezZario> No thats what's weird, i can login
to another terminal fine.. I just don't know where to even
begin... I sont see anything out of the ordinary in the logs
60[00:27:24] <tomreyn> force fsck on non-write-mounted file
systems (mount rw to ro where needed), check dmesg -T, check smart,
do a short or long self-test
67[00:32:13] <nezZario> I'm booted. Looks like an xorg
failure. Guess I got a little data loss? I'll try a fsck. But
xorg'slog sats something about AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for
driver 0
68[00:32:16] <memo1> Brigo: noob queestion. Regarding my
problem, my system have 4G ram, and the automated installer set swap
to 4GBytes. That can be the problem?
72[00:33:04] <nezZario> I'm on mobile excuse my typing
skills
73[00:34:07] <memo1> nezZario: just wondering. I cant install a
debian system using usb. Im checking ram and hardisk for hardware
problems
74[00:34:42] <sevagh> hello. we have an internal mirror of the
squeeze upstream repository - today we got a KEYEXPIRED error when
using pbuilder. now, i'm not great with debian so i'm
maybe not phrasing the question very well, but is today an expected
date for the squeeze repo key to change, or for it to be deprecated,
or something?
75[00:34:49] <sevagh> (we have a handful of legacy squeeze
boxes)
94[00:39:49] <mnuhmnuh> nezZario: any chance another
user/process is still reading from/writing to it? -o remount ...
should work otherwise.
95[00:39:53] <somiaj> and are you still getting key expired
using archive.debian.org?
96[00:39:56] <in1t3r> Debian as the project originally do not
support anything more then oldstable which is now jessie. And before
it there are more Wheezy and only then squeeze
97[00:40:13] <sevagh> i will check that, thanks somiaj
98[00:40:17] <Brigo> memo1, no, the system try to use as much
ram as it can, but it will adapt to any changes in needs.
99[00:40:24] <in1t3r> yes archive.debian.org is only way for so
old boxes
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101[00:40:50] <somiaj> do not support is different than
providing the old sources, debian has always proided the old
sources, so it might be that due to squeeze-lts, you just got use to
getting the sources from a trusted mirror and now enough time has
passed you need to switch to archive.debian.org
102[00:41:09] <mnuhmnuh> nezZario: lsof?
103[00:41:10] <sevagh> that makes sense. let me try pointing our
mirrors to archive.debian.org
104[00:41:15] <in1t3r> I would recommend doing an update to
wheezy and then stretch. Or if you can afford do a fresh install of
the stretch
105[00:41:49] <in1t3r> Of course save a list of installed
packages and install it again I mean some of them not old libraries
or depreceated
106[00:41:51] <sevagh> yeah we're trying hard to deprecate
our last handful of squeeze boxes (majority of them are stretch
right now)
107[00:42:06] <somiaj> memo1: swap is usually set equal to ram
so you can hibernate. With 4gigs of ram, unless you are hibernating
(or actually using 6+ gigs) that amount of swap is overkill, but
defaults are usualyl swap=meoery.
108[00:42:09] <sevagh> but there's always 5-10 "so
important you can't decomssion them!" boxes in the back
somewhere...
109[00:42:31] <somiaj> in1t3r: you skipped jessie in that
upgrade.
118[00:43:24] <dpkg> Volunteer-provided security support for
Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" ended on 2016-02-29 for a limited set
of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your
sources.list is «deb
replaced-url
119[00:43:43] <in1t3r> Yeah sorry my error I know that there is
an archive I meant that there is no support in a way of updates or
any security updates
120[00:43:53] <in1t3r> Which do not exist for anything but old
stable
121[00:44:15] <in1t3r> And since raphael and group started doing
LTS also for the lts I mean oldoldstable
122[00:44:30] <somiaj> sevagh: if the archive.debian.org (make
sure .org and not .net) is giving you the key expiered error, you
may want to contact some admin of the archive or mailing list. The
keys should at least be updated for people who want packages from
the archive.
123[00:44:47] <in1t3r> which is of course invalid codename I
mean oldoldstable grandpastable :)
124[00:44:51] <somiaj> in1t3r: lts has security support these
days, so currently oldoldstable is also getting support.
125[00:45:21] <somiaj> though limited, which mostly means server
side software on x86 and maybe arm, but no desktop software or other
arches.
126[00:45:49] <in1t3r> I know and I know the group which do that
too. :) raphaelhertzog and others
131[00:48:04] <in1t3r> I do actually "maintain" I mean
not that much active anymore debian community of 50000 users on
google plus where I'm owner of the same. Its strange being an
owner of the for a long time only really free distribution which
allowed you to choice. nowdays with systemd and some other
unifications in linux waters its less about choice but anyway still
one of the best distros beside Gentoo.
132[00:48:47] <in1t3r> We want offtopic so I will keep on topic.
133[00:50:10] <in1t3r> swap == memory is actually normal except
in use case where you use swap a lot and want swap to be saved to
swap too beside full ram on suspend
137[00:51:56] <in1t3r> Also there is something that is still not
in the mainline kernel and I guess will not be in recent years or
maybe ever as it conflicted for a while with a zswap and its far ore
useful then zswap.
140[00:53:13] <in1t3r> It is the UKSM Ultra KSM page merging
which merges all of the pages that are basically the same and
replaces them in memory with only pointer to region in memory where
one of the instances of that page is stored. Useful for low ram
systems.
141[00:53:37] <in1t3r> it is inside of the pf-kernel as one of
the patches.
145[00:54:58] <nezZario> What is 'nomodeset'?
I've booted into single user modr. I can boot and login to the
machine's shell fine. But the tty (I believe thats the proper
term) that would normally show lightdm and then launch the wm.. It
just sits thrre and blinks a cursor. But I can get into the system
via pressing alt+F1 and switcging tty. However, I just noticed that
for whatever whacky dacky reason, my usb wifi is totally missing
146[00:54:58] <nezZario> from iwconfig as well. So I can't
even reach the net in somvein attempt to reinstall some stuff
147[00:55:54] <mtn> nezZario: add nomodeset to the kernel line
in the grub menu. it sounds like you have a video driver problem
148[00:55:56] <in1t3r> nomodeset is parameter passed to kernel
that tell to kernel to not use the kms
149[00:56:39] <nezZario> I'll sure give it a shot!
157[00:58:58] <in1t3r> the best way is to edit grub
158[00:59:02] <awal1> nezZario, that means edit
/etc/default/grub file and at that to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
line for normal boot, or to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX for all modes, such
as recovery one
159[00:59:06] <in1t3r> I mean /etc/default/grub
160[00:59:08] <mtn> nezZario: yes, add it to the end of the line
169[01:01:20] <in1t3r> I mean for not permanent change just when
grub shows up press e and then go on linux line and after other
parameters add nomodeset and press ctrl+x to boot
170[01:01:44] <in1t3r> I wrote you how to edit the grub menu
171[01:01:49] <nezZario> I'm aware, let me try it in
combination with single user
172[01:02:15] <mnuhmnuh> netone or t'other.
173[01:02:33] <mnuhmnuh> nezZario: or t'other.
174[01:02:45] <in1t3r> Yes if you boot in single user ode you
will need to systemctl all of the needed services as it boots onbly
few processes no network
267[01:56:18] <wpostma> I just hit the lovely bug in Plasma/KDE
in Stretch that was everywhere three years ago while Ubuntu was on
this version. Black screen and mouse pointer. Seems sddm or
something just goes dumb. Have to zap your .cache and .configs.
268[01:57:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1487
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312[02:11:34] <majest1c> Do I need to make the .iso bootable
first since I use windows? If i already were running Linux then it
would load the iso straight away from the usb right?
313[02:11:40] <somiaj> tw3k: most of the replays to that thread
were of out dated info...
314[02:11:40] <tw3k> I've been liking terminology as my
terminal. Doesn't seem to be in the repository tho
322[02:13:03] <somiaj> tw3k: well most don't realize the
changes I did to create a default-config both upstream and in the
debian package, so a lot of outdated info about that.
323[02:13:34] *** galex-713_ is now known as galex-713
325[02:15:03] <tw3k> somiaj: I didn't mess around with but
it'd be interesting to at some point. fun to see the lineage on
wikipedia too. Used to be a e17 fan and can see similarities
326[02:15:59] <somiaj> i3 and openbox seem to be more popular
minimial window managers these days, I just personally like to power
of fvwm (though one has to like to deal with things manually, for
those use to gui tools and desktops it may not be the switch they
want)
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373[02:55:02] <maeestro> I only have wifi trying to install
debian from a USB stick on a Dell XPS 13 (9343), however I have some
issues detecting the ethernet card, how do I manage this? I cant
find mine in the list, what should I do?
379[02:58:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
382[02:58:47] <somiaj> maeestro: the easiest way is to use the
firmware image, it most likely has the firmware needed for your
wifi. If you don't want to download a new image, you'll
have to manually get the firmware and copy it over to the system.
384[02:59:04] <somiaj> maeestro: the netinstall has a fully
funcational base system, so you can install without the network,
copy the firmware over, and then get your network up and running to
complete the isntall
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395[03:03:21] <somiaj> you can only install a minmial base
system with the netinstaller
396[03:03:40] <somiaj> you'll have to get networking (for
wifi this means downloading and copying firmware to the machine) to
install anything beyond that minimial system.
397[03:03:59] <somiaj> other wise, yes you can install a minmial
base system without network with the netinstall
399[03:04:42] <maeestro> Im not sure how to get the network
firmware for the Dell XPS 13 (9343) though, I can only get the dell
.exe network driver but I assume the operating system wont be able
to load executables
403[03:05:04] <somiaj> debian provides most firmware, you will
hve to let me know what wifi chipset is being used for that.
404[03:05:09] <tw3k> maeestro: what card is it?
405[03:05:44] <hiexpo> hey all when i click say a link in a book
or something it calls and opens the link in google chrome i want it
to use firefox how do i change that thanks
406[03:05:54] <maeestro> tw3k: No idea, it just says "Dell
Wireless 1560 WiFi Driver"
407[03:06:22] <somiaj> maeestro: we can't really tell you
what firmare you ened until you get us chipset info, which you can
do with lscpi if on a *nix system.
415[03:07:28] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional
<firmware>, by including it within installation media or
supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See
replaced-url
417[03:07:39] <hiexpo> somiaj, ebook reader for sure
418[03:07:46] <somiaj> maeestro: ^^ that installer should have
all the firmware you need, and you can install it.
419[03:08:01] <somiaj> hiexpo: what ebook reader? It might be
you need to configure that ebook reader to open up the links with a
different browser.
420[03:08:23] <maeestro> somiaj: Yeah I can get a netinstall,
but I will probably need the drivers anyways, maybe I can use it
then type the command you said to find the card
421[03:08:43] <somiaj> maeestro: you only need that firmware
image I linked.
424[03:09:11] <somiaj> maeestro: linux doesn't usually
require additional drivers, they are mostly contained in the kernel,
that unofficall firmware netinstall sh ould be enough to get you
debian and your network working.
425[03:09:23] <oct2pus> i'm having some issues with
netbeans from the debian archives on debian testing. It seems to
fail when I get to load modules. It previously worked but I had
install openjfx and it seemed to no longer work even after removing
it
426[03:10:02] <somiaj> hiexpo: I would look first into just
configureing fbreader directly, if not you can look at xdg-mime and
see what the setting for the default-browser and text/html is
439[03:15:59] <maeestro> somiaj: that installer you linked
assumes you already are on a linux system to download the files
440[03:16:30] <somiaj> maeestro: no it doesn't, it works
form windows
441[03:16:32] <mnuhmnuh> oct2pus: suggest (assuming
availability), add deb-src sid line in /etc/apt/sources.list, then
"apt update && apt builddep packagename"
442[03:16:43] <somiaj> maeestro: sorry
443[03:16:45] <somiaj> !firmware images
444[03:16:45] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
445[03:16:55] <somiaj> maeestro: ^^ (I had the bot give the
wrong factoid)
451[03:18:21] <awal1> maestro: official debian images
doesn't includ non-free stuff, like non free firmware , call it
driver if you want; the unofficial one includes non-free stuff
(firmware/drivers). so just download that unofficial linked by
somiaj, burn it on windows and use it!
453[03:18:41] <somiaj> hiexpo: you might be able to find a
prefered applications control tool to set this with a gui, but yea
you can try to configure your xdg (freedesktop standards) using
xdg-mime and various tools, or what I would do is just change the
command fbreader uses.
470[03:24:14] <maeestro> somiaj: When I install the
firmware-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso it brings me to the network card
and cant find it anyways, maybe I understood you wrong
473[03:25:09] <somiaj> how did you install it? Anyways, that
should work, but unless you actually can give us info on what wifi
card you have, it is hard to help
474[03:25:28] <maeestro> I just pressed "Graphical
install" and followed instructions
475[03:25:53] *** Crypto is now known as Uberius
476[03:26:26] <maeestro> seems like I can continue now though
477[03:26:27] <tw3k> I've had that trouble before. Try
wireless.wiki.kernel.org
481[03:27:55] <somiaj> the biggest issue I know of is the
broadcom wifi cards. Debian cannot distribute that firmware and it
has to be removed from a windows driver with a firmware cutter. But
there are other chipsets out there that may not have linux support
as well.
482[03:28:24] <tw3k> maybe it was because i didn't use the
non-free. but you get propmted to insert usb for the firmware and if
you skip that you can install anyway
483[03:28:39] <Gelrooss> Hi
484[03:28:57] <oct2pus> apt builddep doesn't seem to be a
command
489[03:30:07] <somiaj> tw3k: if so, that one is a pain to get to
work without another internet connection (manaulaly cutting the
firmware out takes some work)
490[03:30:38] <somiaj> debian has a script that will download
the driver and cut out the firmware, but you need another network
connection for this.
491[03:30:45] <somiaj> oct2pus: build-dep I think
492[03:31:07] <somiaj> oct2pus: and if apt dosn't have it,
use apt-get build-dep
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513[03:37:45] <oct2pus> i then installed netbeans after
building, and then i seem to have the same issue, it fails silently
after reaching "Turning on modules"
518[03:39:20] <somiaj> correct, a minimial install won't
have a gui, and it sounds like you have a broadcom chipset which is
gonna take some more work.
537[03:43:09] <oct2pus> i mean i don't see a change between
the two and as far as i can tell it just installs the dependencies
without installing the actual program
543[03:45:10] <mnuhmnuh> oct2pus: what?!? :-) source from sid is
latest, on your existent system; safest.
544[03:45:17] <somiaj> maeestro: that one will take a bit of
work, I think the wl driver (not included in the kernel) might be
the best approach for that chipset,
replaced-url
548[03:45:50] <somiaj> maeestro: it would be easiest if you
could somehow get another connection to install that following the
instructions there, otherwise you may have to manually download a
bunch of packages from packages.debian.org to get it to work.
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562[03:49:43] <mnuhmnuh> !ubuntu
563[03:49:43] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
564[03:49:52] <somiaj> don't just download random stuff and
expect it to work, in this case don't expect ubuntu packages to
work in debian.
565[03:50:13] <mnuhmnuh> !frankendebian
566[03:50:13] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
573[03:54:02] <maeestro> would be easy if there was just a file
for the network driver I could download then just load it and
install the driver
574[03:54:40] <somiaj> it is possible, but it will requring
downloading a hand full of packages by hand. You just got unluckly
with the wifi chipset on that machine.
586[03:59:47] <rant> more like what useless piece of silicon is
he trying to use as a wireless card :P
587[03:59:51] <dvs> oh noes
588[03:59:53] <somiaj> hiexpo: Broadcom in general is a pain
even with firmware, in this case it is the BCM4352 which seems to be
only supported by the out of kernel driver 'wl'
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595[04:01:32] <quint> I know you can achieve this with "ip
token set", but surely there's a simple way to put that
into a config file instead of scripting it
609[04:06:31] <somiaj> quint: there maynot be a setup option for
this, but you can do both pre-up and post-up scripts in the
interfaces file to put it in the config file, though you may still
need some script
623[04:12:14] <quint> rant, somiaj there is in fact an option. I
must have missed it the first time around. The option is IPv6Token,
whcih belongs under [Network]
636[04:16:41] <renzhi> hi, my android phone running cyanogenmod
just died and totally bricked, I try to mount the sdcard on my
debian, but it always "mount: /media/xp: wrong fs type, bad
option, bad superblock on /dev/mmcblk0p2, missing codepage or helper
program, or other error.". The cfdisk command shows the
partition type to be unknown. Anyway I can recover this?
642[04:21:13] <somiaj> maeestro: that is one of the many
pacakges you would have to download and install
643[04:21:31] <somiaj> maeestro: you would also have to download
and install all the building and dkms tools and linux-headers to
actually build the driver in that package.
649[04:24:15] <ealfonso> why would a default debian install not
include ifconfig (net-tools) even though I specified
'standard' and even 'ssh-server' tasks
655[04:27:51] <ealfonso> I actually don't use nm or nmcli,
so now I have to manually install net-tools
656[04:28:16] <tw3k> well... nm was wrong anyway
657[04:30:07] <somiaj> ealfonso: ip and iw have replaced
net-tools
658[04:30:42] <somiaj> in general, most consider using the newer
tools preferable, and maybe they were trying to slim down the
minmial system by not including duplicate tools.
659[04:30:51] <somiaj> though net-tools is still there for those
who want them
676[04:39:45] <rant> renzhi: well actually what WAS the
filesystem FAT?
677[04:39:56] <ealfonso> is it correct that 'Intel
Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (rev 3e)' means I have to
apt-get firmware-iwlwifi? is there a tool to determine which wifi
driver I need?
678[04:40:16] <rant> renzhi: gpart might be of some help if
there is damage to the partition table, the fs is a different story
679[04:40:47] <somiaj> ealfonso: you can double check the pciid
of the card to see if it is supported, but yes, that looks like an
intel card which are all under the iwlwifi driver, and that firmware
should be what you need.
680[04:40:53] <rant> ealfonso: usually it'll tell you in
the kernel output if there is missing firmware what driver you need
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775[05:39:02] <Pendrag0n> I hope no one minds, my question is
more putty related than debian (but the putty room is by invitation
only). When I press CTRL+D, to end the session and have it close,
the putty shell/window closes just fine. When my session ends by
timing out, or if the connection is lost, or when my putty session
ends (from my Debian server) in any other way, whereas I get the
little "Connection has been lost" popup, after clicking
"OK" on the popup and then it says "(
799[05:49:51] <Pendrag0n> no, you guys were missing cruicial
parts of my issue, give me one second, about to paste in in chunks
800[05:50:13] <Pendrag0n> I hope no one minds, my question is
more putty related than debian (but the putty room is by invitation
only). When I press CTRL+D, to end the session and have it close,
the putty shell/window closes just fine.
801[05:50:19] <Pendrag0n> When my session ends by timing out, or
if the connection is lost, or when my putty session ends (from my
Debian server) in any other way, whereas I get the little
"Connection has been lost" popup, after clicking
"OK" on the popup and then it says "(inactive)"
in the title bar.....
803[05:50:25] <Pendrag0n> MY PROBLEM: I can't close the
window. Not by clicking the red close X at the top right corner of
putty, not by pressing CTRL+D, to end the session, nothing. when I
right click putty on the taskbar, the word "close" is
missing from the options... the only way I have found to close it,
is to click the inactive window, and then press "ALT+F4"
804[05:50:31] <Pendrag0n> Has anyone else experienced this, and
does anyone know how to fix it?
805[05:50:37] <Pendrag0n> There we go, that was all of it
806[05:50:44] <teatime> you now this isn't #putty, right
810[05:51:26] <Pendrag0n> yes, it is a putty question, but the
#putty room is invite only, so I figured many of you guys likely use
putty just like I do.
811[05:51:40] <joe___> I've been trying to install Debian
off of a live USB and am having some trouble
812[05:51:59] <joe___> When I go to install, debian says it is
looking for a live CD to install packages from
813[05:52:15] <joe___> is there any simple way to point it from
the usb stick that I am booting it from
814[05:52:17] <Pendrag0n> I have like 7 other Debian related
questions, but I am going to ask one at a time, to avoid confussion
815[05:52:36] <Pendrag0n> hm.. joe__ I thnk I know of a way
822[05:54:01] <Pendrag0n> @joe__ There may be a few ways of
doing the same thing, try editing your /ets/fstab to create a mount
point, or just manually mount it, to /dev/cdrom that's what I
did for a folder that I wanted treated as a CDROM, although the
mount point may be off by a smidge, I'd have to look it up, but
you get the idea, right?
823[05:54:39] <ealfonso> now xcalib doesn't work either.
'unsupported ramp size'... why is everything broken in
stretch?
824[05:54:40] <joe___> ok, I tried to mount it and it said I
couldnt use mout
825[05:54:45] <Pendrag0n> So I take it no one else has
expreienced the putty issue I am ?
832[05:55:09] <somiaj> ealfonso: what was the workaround
(didn't click the link)
833[05:55:09] <Pendrag0n> yeah, fstab, and there are different
kinds of mount points, you need to use a bind-mount I beleive
834[05:55:29] <somiaj> joe___: are you trying to install from
inside the live enviomrent, or did you boot directly into the debian
installer on the live image?
835[05:55:42] <ealfonso> adding needs_root_rights=yes to
/etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
836[05:55:52] <joe___> I used a live USB to run the installer
837[05:56:21] <joe___> and then it said it is looking for
installation files in /dev/cdrom [which is empty because I booted
from a USB]
841[05:56:39] <Pendrag0n> Fuck, so no one else. for my
question... alright.. next question. I installed ubuntu desktop JUST
so that my crew and I can rdesktop and share the screen once a month
for meetings, but other than that, I want to run it as a Debian
server. Other than gnome and X, is there anything else I should
"stop" while we are just using it server mode?
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843[05:56:43] <joe___> I havent had this trouble with other
distros; I guess I will play with mounting or messing with fstab
844[05:56:56] <Pendrag0n> @joe__ you can use fstab to auto mount
the USB to that point, /dev/cdrom
845[05:56:59] <tw3k> !ubuntu
846[05:56:59] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
847[05:57:08] <tw3k> next
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850[05:57:31] <somiaj> ealfonso: you may want to just install
the xserver-xorg-legacy package, it is the old setuid xorg server
setup and can get around a lot of the permission errors (though
unsure why it isn't working that nicely for you, it is working
for me here)
851[05:57:41] <joe___> awesome, I will check that out, hopefully
it works
854[05:58:11] <Pendrag0n> thanks tw3k, do you at least have any
ideas about the putty thing? the "close" command/option
window dissapears from the application menu (title bar/ task bar
menu)
866[06:01:15] <Pendrag0n> well, next question is... I have a
server that got fucked up. it has a tremendous amount of important
data. But what happened is it used to be connected to an encrypted
mesh network. SLAP D pulled user perms from mysql and ldap, and
those were in an encrypted drive which isn't there anymore.
Then the thing joined the mesh network. Now I just need it to be on
my home network. I've tried editing /etc/network/interfaces and
setting "auto lo" and "iface lo in
867[06:01:24] <Pendrag0n> I still can't start networking
872[06:01:58] <Pendrag0n> it for some reason still bitches about
slapd, what other files could I be missing (looking at) other than
/etc/network/interfaces?
875[06:02:49] <somiaj> there are various tings that can
configure the network. There are possibliy additional files in
/etc/network/interfaces.d/, you could also have some init script or
systemd unit wanting to bring things up, or even tools like
network-manager.
876[06:02:53] <Pendrag0n> now that id def a debian question
@tw3k ;-)
877[06:02:57] <tw3k> Hard to say. Sounds quit customized
878[06:03:12] <tw3k> heh :)
879[06:03:34] <Pendrag0n> /etc/network/interfaces.d is empty
880[06:03:50] <Pendrag0n> trying to quit customized, and bring
it back to defaults.
881[06:03:59] <tw3k> I'm no master by any means but
I'd follow syslog and dmesg -Hw and start with disabling slapd
882[06:04:06] <Pendrag0n> I can't figure out what else to
do, I am an engineer (software) not sys admin
883[06:04:09] <Pendrag0n> but that was helpful
884[06:04:16] <Pendrag0n> in the right direction, to look in
/etc/network/interfaces.d, thank you
885[06:04:27] <Pendrag0n> I did, it's empty, what's
next? where else should I look?
886[06:04:40] <tw3k> can you just migate the data to a fresh
install?
887[06:04:41] <Pendrag0n> ah I just saw what you typed above
888[06:04:55] <Pendrag0n> NOOO so much important data sprnkled
all over the thing
920[06:08:50] <Pendrag0n> I forgot, I am a debian guy, through
and through, to the bone, but back when I stood this up, debian was
trailing in security, in their stable version at lesat, it
didn't have apparmor, but ubuntu server did........
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922[06:08:52] <Pendrag0n> so.... sorry
923[06:09:00] <Pendrag0n> wrong room for this question I gues...
924[06:09:10] <Pendrag0n> slaps self with trout
925[06:09:18] <cheapie> "What version of Debian are you
running?" "Ubuntu Server 17.10" "???"
938[06:11:31] <Pendrag0n> anywho, I'm in the wrong room I
supose, unless somiaj or tw3k want to continue helping anyays, I
treat this thing like it is debian, I've uninstalled all gui
related anything.
939[06:11:37] <Pendrag0n> installed aptitude.
940[06:12:01] <tw3k> there like custom programs on it or
somwething?
941[06:12:41] <Pendrag0n> oh hell yeah, for one, it was our
backup server before we lost the entire network, for two, there are
bitcoin, and custom code for our messnetwork, and tor, and bitcoin
bug fixes, etc
942[06:12:58] <somiaj> the core of ubuntu is quite different
from debian, so you should be seeking support for ubuntu.
946[06:13:50] <Pendrag0n> I gotta jet, I have to go over to the
server rack, and watch syslog as tw3k suggested. the damn thing
doesn't have networking running, (which is the problem) so I
can't just ssh into it.
947[06:14:10] <Pendrag0n> I wonder why the hell someone has the
putty room locked down to invite only, what an asshole.
980[06:31:39] <annadane> deaninous, you can try posting the
error message to paste.debian.net but kali is not generally
supported here because there are differences between it and debian
988[06:35:57] <mrjpaxton> Hey, I got a quick question. My
computer just crashed randomly, and I had to reboot. Is there any
way I can look at kernel/systemd logs after a reboot? I just need a
list or directory of files to look at specifically.
989[06:37:09] <teatime> mrjpaxton: can try /var/log but there
will likely not be too much of interest there about your issue under
the default configuration
992[06:41:23] <mrjpaxton> teatime: Strangely enough as I was
looking through /var/log, everything is labeled a year ago from
2017... Hmmm.
993[06:41:53] <mrjpaxton> Also, by default configuration, you
mean I should be running the kernel in a different mode to debug?
994[06:42:19] <teatime> just that systemd journal doesn't
log journal to disk by default
995[06:42:33] <teatime> and I think that will keep you from
having the kernel log (dmesg) around from the previous boot
996[06:42:36] <teatime> I could be wrong though
997[06:42:37] <adminewb> is that why systemd is evil?
998[06:42:43] <teatime> not precisely
999[06:43:29] <mrjpaxton> Oh, I see. Hmm... I guess I'll
never know unless it happens again. Maybe I will enable disk
writing, if I can figure that out. Thanks for your help.
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1032[07:00:55] <Stummi> linuxthefish, yeah. use LUKS to encrypt
your HDD. In "a an emergency" you just have to wipe the
key block and all the data will become unusable.
1033[07:01:16] <Stummi> you could easily destroy terabytes of
data within less of a second
1034[07:01:37] <linuxthefish> Stummi, what would deleting the key
block mean? Is that a file or in memory?
1035[07:02:05] <Stummi> linuxdaemon, IIRC (don't quote me on
that, look it up yourself) the first few blocks of your luks
partition
1036[07:02:09] <teatime> under LUKS, the keys are stored
encrypted by a passphrase, on the disk itself. Remove the keys, the
data on the disk is unrecoverable.
1037[07:03:06] <linuxthefish> I guess deleting the boot partition
on a luks encrypted system would make it look like my computer was
broken
1043[07:06:03] <linuxthefish> Thanks guys, was just an
interesting thought, unfortunately in my country (the UK) refusing
to give encryption keys or wiping your computer is a crime even if
you haven't done anything wrong
1044[07:06:09] <password2> nah , termites
1045[07:06:21] <linuxthefish> teatime, I was watching a video
where they tried thermite on a disk and it didn't work too well
1046[07:06:41] <teatime> it would have to work better than rm -rf
/ :)
1050[07:09:00] <Stummi> linuxdaemon, look up steganography. Its
the topic of hiding the presence of data, instead just of encrypting
it. Its a very interesting topic itself
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1315[09:42:34] <Tartifle> Hi guys ! I'm facing a really
strange issue with promiscious mode; whenever I enable it on an
interface, there is a huge amount of packets/bytes on it (~100mo/s)
with lots of drops; so far, easily explainable; the thing is : I
have the same problem even if the cable is unplugged
1389[10:12:34] <Lyberta> hi, I've installed the base system
on luks partition and want to make it bootable, how to add it to
GRUB and not my current system?
1390[10:12:35] <godzila> can someone help me with smth?:)
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1423[10:24:27] <Nsolon> is there a debian specific place to get
help for NetworkManager? The gnome applet crashes when I try to
connect to a WPA Enterprise network, but works fine for networks
that are open or only need a password
1427[10:26:05] <Nsolon> I tried googling and looking over eg
ArchWiki or the Debian documentation, but I couldn't find any
fixes for networkmanager generally or the error I get specifically
1549[11:32:41] <czart_> BCMM: Why? For what purpose?
1550[11:33:02] <BCMM> czart_: well, there are multiple different
implementations of netcat in the world
1551[11:33:08] <BCMM> czart_: and they don't all have
exactly the same features
1552[11:33:11] <BCMM> so debian gives people a choice
1553[11:33:34] <czart_> I just need netcat to check whether a
database server (PostgreSQL) is up (a simple scripts that invoke
netcat periodically).
1554[11:33:39] <BCMM> but instead of having to type out something
like nc.openbsd every time, the debian alternatives system symlinks
/bin/nc for convenience
1555[11:33:49] <BCMM> fwiw i've got netcat-openbsd providing
it. automatically installed as a recommendation of libvirt-daemon,
of all things.
1556[11:34:12] <czart_> BCMM: Okay, many thanks for elaboration.
1572[11:37:53] <czart_> I have general question, because I was
using Ubuntu before solely. How it compares with Debian in terms of
running a web server (e.g. with Nginix serving Python applications)?
1573[11:38:09] <czart_> (has been using*)
1574[11:38:16] <teatime> essentially the same.
1575[11:38:34] <BCMM> czart_: very very similar
1576[11:38:39] <czart_> Cool :-)
1577[11:38:59] <BCMM> czart_: you might have different version of
some packages. it'll depend on which debian release and which
ubuntu release we're talking about, of course
1607[11:44:17] <czart_> teatime: Okay, I will bear this in mind.
1608[11:44:25] <BCMM> czart_: yeah, its basically reuse of source
packages. ubuntu takes from debian *source packages*, not compiled
binaries. in general, finished .debs are not compatible between the
two
1610[11:45:17] <czart_> Okay, I will try to grasp the differences
in-depth in spare time... Thanks guys :-) I am going to set up this
netcat and work on the script. Cheers.
1702[12:36:12] <bolt> When I'm connected to my x11vnc server
after upgrading to stretch, the server sometimes says "caught
signal 6" and shuts down. This didn't happen on Jessie.
How can I figure out what's sending it ABRT?
1703[12:36:30] *** jay6 is now known as jbz6
1704[12:37:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1510
1705[12:37:18] <teatime> it is probably the program itself
1706[12:37:24] <acr_> bolt how to you upgrade to stretch?
1861[14:16:13] <gypsymauro> I've to serve some custom deb
packages on my LAN , I used nginx to publish them on a folder and I
added on my sources.lists htt://myserver/folder ./ but it works on
some old version of debian but not on the new ones, they says: W:
Failed to fetch
replaced-url
1862[14:16:19] <gypsymauro> to download this.. seems something
that blocks it before, and the strange is that it works on ancient
version of debian, it's cause I didnt' sign the
repository?
1881[14:33:08] <bolt> gypsymauro: 403 Forbidden is a response
from your webserver. try fetching the URL with curl/wget/whatever.
you should get the same response
1882[14:33:13] <bolt> probably, your web server config is
outdated
1973[15:28:23] <tw> Normally, I'd use `xdg-mime default
some.other.desktop inode/directory` to set the default.
1974[15:29:28] <BCMM> MrKeuner: to slightly clarify the above,
there's nothing special about the "default file
browser". it's just the default application for opening a
particular type of file.
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2025[15:46:29] <zodd> I have an old server I cannot upgrade. When
I try to git clone something from github I get: gnutls_handshake()
failed: The specified session has been invalidated for some reason.
2032[15:47:29] <petn-randall> well, rather the OS on it.
2033[15:49:23] <RoyK> zodd: pastebin output of "lsb_release
-a", please
2034[15:49:46] <BanHammor> zodd, i'm suspecting you
don't have up-to-date certs. The solution is to either manually
update your SSL certs or flat out not check them, a-la
"GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY=true git fetch...".
2035[15:50:05] <zodd> ow. Sorry. I should have mentioned: Debian
Squeeze.
2038[15:50:43] <JustASlacker> updating certs is no fun
2039[15:50:44] <MrKeuner> You may know this already but it could
probably because of security updates applied to github not being
backward compatible with the gnutls version you run on the old
server. You cannot even upgrade single package?
2040[15:50:47] <BanHammor> is there a specific reason you
can't upgrade?
2041[15:50:51] <RoyK> zodd: heh - long time suppport until
2016-02-29
2042[15:51:01] <bolt> When I'm connected to my x11vnc server
after upgrading to stretch, the server sometimes says "caught
signal 6" and shuts down. This didn't happen on Jessie.
How can I figure out what's sending it ABRT?
2043[15:51:10] <RoyK> zodd: better just reinstall the thing -
it'll be easier
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2053[15:53:07] <jhutchins_wk> My guess would be that the default
protocol needs to be set to something newer - like not TLS 1.0. The
older gnutls should still be capable of the newer protocols, it just
doesn't default to them.
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2091[16:05:22] <BanHammor> not really helpful advice, but you
should REALLY lobby your higher-ups to spend a few days upgrading,
this is a security breach waiting to happen,
2129[16:18:19] <tw> zodd: I looked into it; the gnutls shipped
with squeeze, latest updates, does support TLS 1.2, but it does not
support any cipher suites supported by github (who only use strong
ciphers and some non-FS RSA compat ciphers).
2134[16:19:19] *** simon__ is now known as Nezoriel
2135[16:20:05] <tw> the other from gnutls-cli
2136[16:20:08] <zodd> tw, thank you very much. The easiest way to
resolve things was a checkout on a new server and scp it back to the
prehistoric server
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2138[16:20:59] <tw> I'm actually shutting down a squeeze
server right now =/
2141[16:21:28] <jelly> tw: I have 50 of those that are not being
shut down right now.
2142[16:21:32] <tw> XD
2143[16:21:32] <naptastic> I'm doing a dist-upgrade on
Buster and "Setting up ifdown 0.8.30" is stuck. It's
waiting for a sleeping process, "systemd-tty-ask-password-agent
--watch"
2144[16:21:44] <jelly> !debian-next
2145[16:21:45] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2179[16:36:45] <nezZario> yesterday I had a unexpected power
outage, nothing weird, and ever since my pc has been, well, broke.
originally i couldn't get into X11 at all, and my wireless
devices won't and still won't show up. I got Xorg to start
by commenting out all the fancy resolution lines in xorg.conf .. But
I'm stuck in 1024x768 ... wireless devices, which never have
had a problem with before (and before, didn't even need to
install
2180[16:36:45] <nezZario> any special drivers for..) aren't
showing up anywhere.
2185[16:37:28] <greycat> Having an xorg.conf at all is unusual.
What happens if you rename it so that it doesn't get used, and
let X find the hardware itself?
2203[16:41:48] <nezZario> Nothing good, still stuck in 1024x768.
I'm using xfce, and the xfce "display" gui bit just
calls my monitor "default" and doesn't give me the
option to switch resolution
2206[16:42:25] <nezZario> This monitor is fairly new for what
it's worth... I've only been using it for about a week and
it is much higher resolution that my last one but it wouldn't
make sense that it would work flawlessly for a week and then
suddenly act up
2207[16:42:27] <greycat> Any errors in the Xorg.0.log?
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2223[16:47:04] <greycat> Looks like it's trying radeon,
failing, then falling back to fbdev.
2224[16:47:07] <deadrom> I'm looking at
replaced-url
2225[16:47:14] <nezZario> Yeah I did remember having to do some
kind of special driver. I want to say I'm using the OSS version
and not the proprietary one..
2226[16:47:19] <BanHammor> nezZario, also, you should be worried
about the "kms report modesetting is not supported"
2227[16:47:19] <nezZario> Weird why the driver would suddenly act
up
2266[16:52:08] <deadrom> jhutchins_wk, very tailored-to-the-cause
VM with mainly a java app server, but lots of user config. rather
install over and keep /home?
2267[16:52:43] <greycat> If all your config is in /home instead
of via system packages, reinstalling should be much easier than it
would be for ... most of us.
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2295[17:03:13] <P4> Hello. On Debian Jessie (ScrolloutF1
appliance) in netstat I can see many global IP addresses listed in
the column of Local Address (replaced-url
2303[17:04:32] <nezZario> I rebooted, when grub comes up, i press
'e', use the goofy little editor, changed the 3. whatever
to 4.14.0-3 in the two spots it matters (initrd/linux)
2314[17:06:33] <P4> nezZario: you should be able to list the
drive content from GRUB somehow (cannot recall exact commands).
would be good to confirm that you can see those files there
2315[17:06:51] <greycat> let me try to find a jessie box...
2316[17:06:56] <petn-randall> P4: Sounds like your named is
severely misconfigured. It's apparently set to listen on
8.8.4.4, amongst many other things.
2317[17:06:58] <P4> greycat: that is correct. also note that
it's all about bind processes
2336[17:09:50] <P4> greycat: this I could achieve differently on
the L2. I just want to setup local mail relay to process mails sent
from localnet and chose Scrollout F1 which is based on a Debian
Jessie for that. investigating named configuration now. I would be
surprised if vendor configured it that way...
2339[17:11:28] <rs3> Apologies if my inquiry should go
elsewhere...but when installing Steam I'm advised to install
32-bit OpenGL libraries for my Nvidia graphics, and I'm
prompted to remove 64-bit libraries; reinstalling the 64-bit
libraries removes the 32-bit. I'm afraid to reboot with the
64-bit libraries uninstalled; should they be able to coexist, or
should I just leave the 32-bit libraries in place for playing games
with
2347[17:12:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2348[17:12:15] <petn-randall> rs3: If yes, can you please provide
all of the above in a single paste? ^^^
2350[17:12:40] <P4> petn-randall: grep -rni liste /etc/bind/
returns only listen-on port 53 { any; }; and listen-on-v6 port 53 {
any; }; in named.conf.options
2351[17:13:09] <rs3> petn-randall: Sorry, yes, on Debian 9.3
amd64. I'll put that stuff together in a paste now. Thank you
2358[17:15:29] <P4> omg, what the hell is that! I can see all
those IP addresses listed in quagga configs... thanks for hints.
I'm about to contact Scrollout F1 for explanations or look for
some docs there. Also sorry for asking in this channel.
2364[17:18:11] <nezZario> Okay so I booted back up into grub,
dropped to the little console. It shows something like, ... lvm/
md0/ (hda1) and so on. and from what I could understand, I think I
was actually listing these drives, ... it doesn't show the
nwere 4.x kernel in any of the boot directories within
2365[17:18:17] <nezZario> I do have two drives here
2366[17:18:40] <nezZario> they're suppose to be on RAID1 but
/proc/mdstat is only showing one drive. but the other drive
isn't actually falied
2380[17:22:58] <P4> sb says "Quagga is not critical. Is
trying to set public DNS IPs as local (on lo interface) in order to
avoid using public DNS for RBLs (results are poor to null)". To
me that's a cheap approach very much for achieving that...
2384[17:24:16] <greycat> All this instead of just setting up a
local dnscache or whatever... so confusing... so much unnecessary
and ridiculous work....
2401[17:30:03] <nezZario> if I am going to run grub-install, ...
should I run that on the whole disk (/dev/sda), or the particular
partition, or the mdadm device (/dev/md0) or the lvm device that
sits on that mdadm device? :)
2409[17:30:51] <nezZario> The only thing I can figure is I am
booting from an out of date drive somehow... So I re-added /dev/sda
to the mdadm array (don't know why the hell it was removed in
the first place?)
2410[17:30:51] <greycat> I've never understood the concept
of installing a boot loader on a partition. It doesn't even
make sense conceptually to me. I must be missing something.
Firmware/BIOS boots from a DISK, not a partition, right?
2417[17:31:55] <antoszka> nezZario: and make sure you have all
the uefi related stuff mounted (you probably do if you're
running the automated installer)
2418[17:31:57] <Haohmaru> but i might be mixing things up
2460[17:40:49] <lispmacs> hi, does somebody know what would be a
good tool for simply streaming the output of a shell command across
the network and reading it into a file on the other side?
2473[17:42:57] <nezZario> I don't know, I just re-added
/dev/sda to the RAID, I just hope this fixes it, I really have no
idea what's going on, been having issues since yesterday
evening
2514[17:59:28] <lispmacs> greycat: well, with ssh I've got
to deal with authentication, whereas with netcat I can just listen
for the incoming connect. Not as secure, for sure, but simpler
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2516[17:59:59] <franlol> anyone can answer my question? :)
2531[18:06:33] <jhutchins_wk> franlol: The package is xinetd, the
utils just say inetd. I believe it's not installed as a default
for desktops, it may be automatically installed for some server
tasks.
2556[18:18:04] <franlol> ty man! im gonna check it
2557[18:18:04] <greycat> inetd is the legacy
"superserver" that listens to umpteen dozen ports and
launches programs as configured in /etc/inetd.conf for each port.
Very poor design.
2558[18:18:11] <jhutchins_wk> franlol: They're not used much
any more as most of the network capable apps have built-in sercurity
now, and the ones that don't aren't much used.
2559[18:18:45] <greycat> If your class is teaching you about
inetd, I hope it is teaching you why we don't use it any more.
2560[18:18:46] <jhutchins_wk> It was a band-aid when unsecured
apps were suddenly facing a hostile internet.
2561[18:18:50] <franlol> i have read that is usefull for example
to run a security against port scan ...
2562[18:19:02] <greycat> what
2563[18:19:14] <greycat> you mean some kind of tarpit? stupid.
it's stupid.
2564[18:20:13] <greycat> or maybe you mean a reverse tarpit,
something that appears to be listening to EVERY SINGLE PORT, because
it is, but then most of them do nothing? Again, stupid.
2565[18:20:23] <jhutchins_wk> franlol: You may also find some
documentation relevant to your class at tldp.org
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2569[18:21:41] <greycat> Move sshd to a different port to stop
the billion hits from Chinese script kiddies. Then simply turn off
every service you do not actually need.
2570[18:22:02] <greycat> Stay up to date on security patches.
2571[18:22:12] *** Quits: nic_ (~nic@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2572[18:22:29] <hbautista> greycat, or you can use, I don't
know, a firewall ?
2573[18:23:22] <greycat> Notice how none of these answers involve
a monolithic inetd listening on dozens or hundreds or thousands of
ports.
2574[18:24:12] *** Quits: really34293 (~really342@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2589[18:31:41] <alkisg> greycat: actually inetd design was
superb, and it's what systemd is also using currently...
that's a long chat, but if anyone's interested
there's some thoughts on
replaced-url
2598[18:34:16] <petn-randall> alkisg: That's not what your
link is about, though. It's a tutorial to convert xinetd config
to systemd units. I doubt you could run a webserver efficiently like
that.
2601[18:35:50] <alkisg> petn-randall: it explains the 3 different
methods to do socket activation, with their benefits etc; it's
the theory that matters, not the conversion of configuration files
2602[18:36:04] <n4dir> hbautista: even if you use a firewall
setting the sshd port to non-default sure won't hurt.
2637[18:51:40] <galex-713_> How do you know what a source package
gives as binary packages?
2638[18:52:09] <galex-713_> Like if I have zlib1g, and download
its source, then I’d like to know what are the binary
packages, if several, that are generated from this single source
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2642[18:54:16] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: Probably look for
documentation wherever you get the source package from.
2643[18:54:52] <jhutchins_wk> galex-713_: There is usually a
README and/or INSTALL file that will explain the build process (if
it's good quality code).
2644[18:55:15] <greycat> He means a debian source, not an
upstream source.
2665[19:01:12] <galex-713_> no, I don’t like the web and I
feels like if the debian websites can get it, I can probably get it
without the debian website
2666[19:01:20] <galex-713_> not too much complicatedly
2678[19:02:44] <galex-713_> because someone pointed me to a tool
and I want to be sure it’s not packaged by debian because like
debian took the source, and only took all the binaries besides the
one I want
2679[19:02:50] <greycat> Then there's nothing more we can
POSSIBLY say to you. You've built up a strawman problem in your
mind according to your mental model of the person who ACTUALLY wants
to do something.
2680[19:03:10] <greycat> And you don't know what the goal
is, and we don't know what the goal is, so there is no point in
continuing.
2687[19:04:30] <galex-713_> I mean, I just want to know where do
2688[19:04:34] <galex-713_> hypn0: no not graphical
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2690[19:05:20] <galex-713_> I mean, I just want to know where do
go all the compiled source files, like for instance i can do apt
source, and if I well understood by following a compilation
procedure it would produce several .deb accordingly, well I’d
like to know the name of these .deb without having to compile them
2693[19:06:18] <alkisg> galex-713_: check in debian/control of
the source package, it lists the generated binary debs there
2694[19:06:23] <jelly> which tool? Which package are you missing
in Debian? <galex-713_> because someone pointed me to a tool
and I want to be sure it’s not packaged by debian because like
debian took the source, and only took all the binaries besides the
one I want
2695[19:06:47] <galex-713_> and if after compiling them the
system can get somewhere their package name from this source file,
and if the debian website can get these names from the source
package name I suppose I can
2701[19:07:14] <jelly> galex-713_: which tool precisely? which
package are you missing in Debian's build?
2702[19:07:41] <galex-713_> alkisg: oh thank you it’s
exactely that!
2703[19:07:46] <alkisg> np
2704[19:08:03] <galex-713_> is there a normalized way to get it
through apt, apt-get or apt-cache without doing apt-source then
less? I would be even more satisfied ^^
2705[19:08:17] <galex-713_> jelly: gzlog
2706[19:08:37] <alkisg> galex-713_: the information is in
/var/lib/apt/lists, but I don't know if some tool shows them
the way you want
2707[19:09:30] <galex-713_> I know it’s not packaged
because apt search and apt-file search did return nothing, but I
want to be able to as well showing a shell command that show all the
binaries produced by the source package, with the absence of gzlog
in them, while gzlog.c is present in the source package
2720[19:12:10] <galex-713_> jelly: rather complex to say…
it takes small input of data, for instance small lines per line
delayed output, and write it as “uncompressed block” to
a gz file, and then the total uncompressed blocks are more than 1MB,
afaik, it compress them and replace them with the compressed blocks,
then it keeps adding uncompressed stuff and compress them all 1MB or
so
2722[19:12:55] <galex-713_> alkisg: Mark Adler pointed me to
gzlog.h while saying “an utility”, therefore I deduce
this along with gzlog.c gives an utility
2723[19:13:05] <alkisg> galex-713_: dpkg -L zlib1g => shows
you the contents of the package
2724[19:13:14] <alkisg> It's a library. You can create .c
files that use the library.
2725[19:13:22] <jelly> galex-713_: you do realize gzlog.c is
example code and not code for a working program? There's no
main()
2726[19:13:23] <alkisg> examples/gzlog.c is an example of how to
do it
2727[19:13:50] <galex-713_> alkisg: it is in the
“examples/” directory, and I think having something
being part of the “example” programs of a package, often
meaning it to be not that useful besides for testing, can be
considered a reason worth not packaging
2728[19:13:57] <galex-713_> maybe even make install doesn’t
install it
2737[19:14:49] <jelly> galex-713_: and it's packaged as-is
in -dev package?
2738[19:14:50] <alkisg> You can use them but you can't run
them
2739[19:14:59] <jelly> judd: file gzlog.c*
2740[19:15:03] <judd> Search for gzlog.c* in stretch/amd64:
zlib1g-dev: usr/share/doc/zlib1g-dev/examples/gzlog.c.gz
2741[19:15:35] <jelly> galex-713_: use apt-file to search for
uninstalled package contents.
2742[19:15:49] <galex-713_> from debian/control I can see there
are the packages zlib1g zlib1g-dev zlib1g-dbg zlib1g-udeb lib64z1
lib64z1-dev lib32z1 lib32z1-dev libn32z1 libn32z1-dev (sed -ne
's/^Package: \(.*\)$/\1/p' zlib-1.2.8.dfsg/debian/control)
2770[19:20:47] <galex-713_> jelly: thank you for making me
noticing this
2771[19:22:54] <galex-713_> yet, that problem interested me a
lot: how can I, from an apt* cli utility, get the list of packages
listed in debian/control in the source file? are there apt* utility
for source files that do something else than downloading and/or
building? such as querying metadata?
2774[19:24:09] <n4dir> galex-713_: i wouldn't bet, but
earlier you said you would need the info from the webpage from
within a shellscript. lynx --dump -nolist ; came to my mind, but i
would not know how to extract only the names of the binaries.
2775[19:25:01] <greycat> n4dir: look like an X-Y-Z-Omega-etc.
problem.
2777[19:25:35] <jelly> galex-713_: aptitude can do a search based
on source package name.
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2779[19:25:43] <n4dir> greycat: well, it only came to my mind.
You don't hear often about the lynx "trick"
2780[19:25:56] <greycat> He said his sole purpose was to answer a
question he got in an email and then I /ignored him and then jelly
was talking about judd and rdepends and sample C source code and all
kinds of crap, so god only knows what he changed the question to.
2781[19:26:16] <galex-713_> n4dir: extracting the names
wouldn’t be that difficult I guess, but what I’d like is
some tool using sources.list deb/deb-src to get metadata about
source packages
2782[19:26:21] <n4dir> yeah i got lost too. but i assumed it was
me ...
2783[19:26:37] <jelly> greycat: they thought debian did not
package a built binary (that was actually never built)
2784[19:26:46] <n4dir> galex-713_: yup, i got you. I only made a
side note.
2785[19:26:50] <jelly> (and that could not be built)
2786[19:27:18] *** Quits: RebelCoder (~RebelCode@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
2787[19:27:28] <greycat> So how did he get from "where is
the binary for sample.c" to "How do I see which binary
packages come out of a given source package" to "I am only
responding to an email question and have no actual goal"...
2788[19:27:30] <jelly> and there was an implication someone else
somewhere did in fact build and package that tool, which seems
unlikely
2789[19:27:30] <galex-713_> n4dir: yes, yet a pertinent note :)
didn’t know about the lynx trick ^^ usually I do wget -O- and
sed the output, which is much more complicated ^^'
2790[19:28:02] <jelly> greycat: if you wanted to know you'd
unignore. I take you don't really want to know.
2791[19:28:03] <n4dir> hail to the mighty mywiki.wooledge.org :-)
2803[19:30:31] <galex-713_> in its manpage it says it’s
from the apt command
2804[19:30:40] <galex-713_> and turns out in fact apt *does* have
a showsrc command
2805[19:30:48] <galex-713_> which does exactely what I wanted to
do! :D
2806[19:30:49] <galex-713_> \o/
2807[19:30:56] <galex-713_> jelly: thank you a lot!
2808[19:31:01] <n4dir> greycat: if you use the searchbar at
wooledge. i think you get two results for lynx. But i am pretty sure
someone at #bash helped me (and i found it at wooledge or from
greybot later)
2818[19:34:47] <galex-713_> jelly, alkisg, n4dir, hypn0 in
general, thank you a lot for your dedication to helping ^^
2819[19:34:56] <annadane> forgot about that gem
2820[19:34:57] <alkisg> np
2821[19:35:15] <greycat> In #bash we can never forget.
2822[19:35:22] <galex-713_> also: jelly: alkisg: greycat (if you
unignored me since then): also thank you for your actual help and
useful informations ^^
2833[19:37:56] <galex-713_> Btw, while I’m at learning
doing stuff without the debian website, would there be a clean way
to search for debian packages in all archs and all suites and all
versions, like the website does? what would be the proper, clean
way? would adding all the lines and source lines to sources.list
with a special pinning to say not to install anything from them yet
get their db through apt update be ok?
2836[19:39:29] <dpkg> The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an
effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a
variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL
database.
replaced-url
2844[19:40:47] <galex-713_> yet that would maybe mean apt search
would no longer discriminate between installable and not anymore
packaged/not installable because non-free/etc. packages :/
2845[19:40:58] <galex-713_> myeah…
2846[19:41:03] <greycat> You can, via the psql command.
2847[19:41:06] <galex-713_> that’s not exactely how I hoped
it ^^'
2859[19:42:35] <galex-713_> jelly: a little yes, but it’s
actually more a matter of that I like simple standard things, but
maybe I’m asking too much or this is not allowed with standard
apt utilities, which I don’t find unreasonnable
2865[19:43:18] <galex-713_> after all, I could just as well use
the website
2866[19:43:19] <jelly> Postgres is pretty standard in its SQL
dialect.
2867[19:43:27] <galex-713_> but of course an offline database is
always better
2868[19:43:28] <jelly> we're not talking about mysql
2869[19:43:45] <jelly> or you could ask the bot.
2870[19:43:58] <galex-713_> jelly: yeah, and if package
management was all done using sql command that would completely
satisfy me
2871[19:44:27] <jelly> galex-713_: package management does not
require dealing with sources at all
2872[19:44:33] <galex-713_> but since it’s not, and
I’m really maniac about consistance, I’d so much like a
utility standard like “[…]search <package>”
2873[19:44:49] <jelly> I'd like a pony!
2874[19:44:54] <galex-713_> jelly: no in fact but since it works
a bit the same way ^^ (with deb-src, apt update, apt stuff, etc.)
2882[19:46:15] <greycat> Did You Know: the last three letters of
judd are UDD
2883[19:46:20] <jelly> !judd
2884[19:46:20] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian
Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI
ID and kernel config information. See
replaced-url
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2886[19:46:50] <galex-713_> jelly: and the website too?
2887[19:46:57] <galex-713_> then maybe that’s the way to go
in fact
2888[19:47:06] <jelly> galex-713_: I have no idea what the
website does
2889[19:47:24] <galex-713_> okay
2890[19:47:28] <galex-713_> maybe I should ask them
2891[19:47:31] <galex-713_> find some contact info
2901[19:50:05] <galex-713_> let’s search there first
2902[19:50:10] <n4dir> !udd
2903[19:50:10] <dpkg> The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an
effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a
variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL
database.
replaced-url
2904[19:50:24] <n4dir> the entry at wiki.debian.org seems to
offer some useful info
2928[19:56:57] <galex-713_> n4dir: I’d largely prefer
apt-cache search, but it can’t research for all version and
all architectures, since it has only the current ones in
sources.list
2929[19:57:19] <n4dir> yeah, got that. Well: i don't need
such info. :-)
2930[19:57:56] <jelly> galex-713_: you do realize apt-cache gets
all this info from an online source as well, at apt-get update
2939[20:00:48] <n4dir> i fail to see why i should care if a
certain package is available for, say, kFreeBSD, if i don't run
that thing (or old-stable, or whatever you could think of).
2940[20:01:01] <greycat> 13:01 greycat> galex-713_: what are
you trying to DO?
2948[20:01:39] <jelly> it's not as if anyone else is asking
any questions
2949[20:02:38] <galex-713_> n4dir: last time I used this it was
because I did read somewhere recover was packaged under debian, yet
I couldn’t find it, so the web interface allowed me to find
out it wasn’t since wheezy
2950[20:03:02] <galex-713_> I would have liked to have been able
to do/learn the same thing through cli instead of web ui
2951[20:03:16] <jelly> galex-713_: judd has a cli.
2952[20:03:28] <jelly> you access the CLI over irc
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2957[20:03:54] <jelly> like that, or better, by /msg judd stuff
2958[20:04:11] <galex-713_> yay but i’d like the same
information, without the internet at all
2959[20:04:14] <jelly> WHY
2960[20:04:18] <galex-713_> judd is yet better than the website
2961[20:04:18] <n4dir> galex-713_: not saying it doesn't
make any sense to you. just saying that i for one don't need
such (probably as most of the time i am too lazy to figure things
out)
2971[20:07:13] *** Quits: platvoeten (~platvoete@replaced-ip) (Quit: Lost terminal)
2972[20:07:43] <jelly> galex-713_: answer that with a plausible
example and you MIGHT receive a dd-copy of whole judd VM disk, ready
for your offline perusal! Play today!
2984[20:09:13] <greycat> He lives in a cavern with no escape,
patrolled by random quizbots that demand answers at unpredictable
times!
2985[20:09:29] <n4dir> lol.
2986[20:09:35] <galex-713_> also I generally doesn’t like
using the internet when it’s not necessary, just as I
don’t like SaaSS, which judd almost is, it’s free
software
3014[20:15:42] <hsiktas> with that WSL-thing from Windows 10
3015[20:15:43] <jelly> all bots that provide any kind of response
are SAAS, you have an API to access, and something processes API
requests and maybe gives a response
3016[20:15:57] <mnuhmnuh> that's ancient stuff, prob. as
boring as smtp by now.
3030[20:18:11] <annadane> this chat is getting sassy
3031[20:18:18] <annadane> i've pretty much exhausted that
pun now
3032[20:18:21] <n4dir> for a very small distribution i used said
"lynx" to grep if a certain package is in their
repository. To keep it easy with their server, i downloaded a list
of all packages and did grep the text file.
3033[20:18:22] <jelly> I'm done anyway
3034[20:18:41] <n4dir> i am not sure if the amount of all debian
architectures and packages and what not would make that reasonable.
3035[20:18:48] <jelly> ±1 hour
3036[20:20:00] <galex-713_> n4dir: the ideal thing would be to
have offline the content got by apt update if source.list contained
all the archs and versions
3037[20:20:55] <n4dir> like said: not sure if it is still
reasonable with the amount of debian. And i sure don't know how
to exactly do it.
3041[20:21:42] <mnuhmnuh> galex-713_: you want local control.
others prefer somebody else store the data and give access. 6 of
one, half doz. of t'other.
3042[20:21:48] <galex-713_> you really think it would be too
slow?
3043[20:21:58] <jelly> !tias
3044[20:21:58] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
3045[20:22:06] <galex-713_> I didn’t thought it
3046[20:22:09] <n4dir> i would assume packages.debian.org would
be the way to go ?
3047[20:22:41] <galex-713_> the main problem I find is,
afterwards, how could I do so that I have a *different* command to
search packages only for the current version/archs/etc. and one for
all of them?
3048[20:23:16] <jelly> galex-713_: you don't have to do this
on a system you're actually using. Have a separate chroot.
3056[20:24:26] <jelly> galex-713_: don't even have to add
arches to sources.list, just dpkg --add-architecture every arch
you're interested in except the native one
3057[20:24:26] <galex-713_> I was thinking it could update each
time I do apt update
3058[20:24:28] <greycat> It's full of stars! And porn.
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3116[20:35:59] <annadane> i tried apt purge nvidia-driver
nvidia-glvnd-whatever-crap etc and all the components a while ago...
didn't go well, not recommended
3219[21:25:06] <Lyberta> hi, I want to have 2 installations on my
PC and second one should have encrypted root, I installed second one
to encrypted partition but now I don't know how to tell GRUB to
add this installation to the list, help?
3239[21:35:09] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i've a strange problem
here, after hitting enter in grub to load my linux it doesn't
start the boot proccess before i provide username/pw ...
3240[21:35:17] <maeestro> im trying to install network drivers
for a network card (broadcom BCM4352 rev03) with
replaced-url
3241[21:35:19] <rocketmagnet> what's that kind of an issue ?
3275[21:45:51] <maeestro> deadrom: doesnt look like it
3276[21:46:43] <deadrom> maeestro, build-essential and dkms
installed? did you run module-assistant manually? from what I gather
dkms builds that module, it doesn't come as a file with a
package. so most likely dkms did not build it. possibly dkms logs
will tell you, or console output from m-a
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3287[21:49:43] <carp_> ah hooray, i dont need to log in to get to
this channel again! (it was a week or so ago, a spammer forced it).
Anyway, last week I dist_upgraded to Stretch and I just want to say
3294[21:51:10] <deadrom> maeestro, ok: dkms is "Dynamic
Kernel Module Support", it takes care for tricky 3rd party
kernel modules to built when necessary. usually that's modules
that are only half-open or not at all and need wrappers to sneak
them into the running kernel. since the 3rd party tends to change
their stuff a lot, it often fails building or is missing something
it needs. so first step is: check if dkms built the module at all,
or since it is not there:
3295[21:51:10] <deadrom> why it didn't. google where to find
dkms logs and check them out, pastebin them if you can't make
anything from it and paste the pastebin link here (paste.debian.net
I think)
3296[21:51:17] <carp_> Thankyou so much to everyone who is
involved with Debian in some way, its fantastic. My computer updated
without a hitch, I was very impressed. This OS is vital for me so
thankyou guys.
3328[22:00:38] <mnuhmnuh> well, wtf? t's not supposed to be
that easy.
3329[22:01:10] <maeestro_> I need some drivers for my touchpad
though, cant touch it to click, I have to press it
3330[22:01:42] <greycat> !synaptics
3331[22:01:42] <dpkg> As of stretch, the synaptics driver
isn't used by GNOME. If your touchpad stopped working in
stretch, try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput and removing
xserver-xorg-input-synaptics; see
replaced-url
3332[22:01:56] <deadrom> maeestro_, heh, that's what I
meant, dkms is rather clever but it's not a crazy catch all as
everybody handles their things some different way. what hinted me at
a reboot is that dkms generated a new ramdisk, the bit that says
"update-initramfs: Generating
/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64" etc, so something was modified
in the kernel image at boot time already
3343[22:06:11] <greycat> Is there a CVE? Look up the CVE on the
debian security web site.
3344[22:06:12] <jelly> m4rkw, is there a CVE number?
3345[22:06:15] <jelly> hah
3346[22:06:16] <annadane> ^ and also if it was just discovered
today (per the date of the article, i haven't really read it)
it mostly assuredly won't be patched today
3347[22:06:21] <annadane> but yeah, look up the CVE
3348[22:06:32] <annadane> which i should do, except i'm an
idiot, and lazy, and so gave a stupid answer
3376[22:10:09] <Lyberta> no way, std::filesystem rocks
3377[22:10:11] <jelly> Lyberta, because it's a really crappy
platform
3378[22:10:24] <greycat> smells like C++. ask me about C++. go
ahead.
3379[22:10:25] <maeestro_> greycat: can I just use "apt-get
remove xserver-xorg..." and apt-get install the new one? I
tried but the touchpad isnt working anyways
3380[22:11:01] <greycat> maeestro_: I don't know. I'm
not a laptop person. Read the URLs if you have questions.
3381[22:11:10] <Lyberta> greycat, too bad we will be going into
offtopic territory
3384[22:12:41] <jelly> Lyberta, in my book a stable platform
takes precedence over a random language feature
3385[22:12:49] <jelly> but you're probably a developer
3386[22:13:21] <annadane> also it must be said "bug
affecting half of email servers" makes for a nice headline
people feel they have to click thus generating ad revenue for that
website
3387[22:13:32] <annadane> though if it's exim i don't
doubt it's half of email
3388[22:13:56] <greycat> I'm honestly shocked that exim has
that kind of market dominance.
3389[22:13:57] <Lyberta> greycat, jelly, I guess if I didn't
have 50kloc of C++ to maintain I'd go to Rust, I wonder if the
very latest Rust installs on stable
3390[22:14:07] <jelly> "yet another exim bug, patch it up
nothing to see here people" does not have the same ring to it
3391[22:14:14] <greycat> Why would you target the latest
ANYTHING?
3392[22:14:31] <greycat> To ensure that your users have the most
miserable experience possible trying to build it?
3393[22:14:43] <Lyberta> because in languages I code the latest
version is always better
3394[22:14:47] <jelly> Lyberta, it does not. Firefox release
branch is mission on stable because of that
3401[22:15:57] <jelly> and devs who can't code without
latest everything are a pain to deal with on systems that will hve
to be maintained for 3-5 years after their work is done
3402[22:16:01] <greycat> I always thought exim was some quirky
thing that only Debian uses.
3421[22:19:03] <bitessss> when i add new version of a package to
my repo using reprepro includedeb the old version of the package
gets removed. is there a way for me to keep all versions and just
add the new one?
3447[22:23:04] <greycat> Well... yes, but you could trivially
make two packages that are identical except they have different
names and use different versions of the original source tarball.
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3449[22:23:37] <jelly> and you could build Packages files in a
repo in a similar "trivial" and yet nonstandard way,
arguably
3454[22:26:04] <mnuhmnuh> jelly: sure they can, but usual debian
processes catch and stop that sort of corruption, we hope.
3455[22:26:05] <bitessss> i don't have an example in the
debian mirrors, but docker-ce from upstream has what i want.
apt-cache policy docker-ce shows multiple versions from the same
repo.
3456[22:26:09] <Lyberta> jelly, if you use only latest std
features, your code will work for about 10 years usually
3459[22:26:56] <MrKeuner> How can I change the behaviour epiphany
opening when I type a search string in the gnome-tool search box?
3460[22:27:03] <jelly> Lyberta, Debian has a 5 year lifetime. So
you can safely use C++14 only.
3461[22:27:22] <MrKeuner> xdg?
3462[22:27:27] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i have a very strange
issue - after selecting my grub image to load i get prompted by a
username and password AND IT ALSO BOOT NORMALY IF I PROVIDE NO
PASSWORD AT ALL ... then the boot starts
3463[22:27:37] <rocketmagnet> im on debian 9 stable
3476[22:30:03] <jelly> Lyberta, then you want a different stable
platform. Sadly I don't think there's one with a release
cycle of less than two years.
3492[22:31:59] <judd> No package named 'spam' was found
in amd64.
3493[22:32:12] <jelly> Lyberta, that's not even a release of
gcc
3494[22:32:28] <annadane> it is, it's in unstable
3495[22:32:33] <deadrom> distro channels these are thinning out.
the helpful people from some while back got tired or haven't
got the time to spare to help the newbies, so we're
dis-educating the interested people who might grow and contribute to
a community. it's a shame some knowledgable people have turned
bitter torpedo away what's left.
3497[22:33:20] <jelly> annadane, the year in the version strongly
suggests is a devel branch, to be used for testing source compat
against a future 8.0 release
3498[22:33:21] <Lyberta> jelly, when it comes to my release,
I'm sure GCC will be released
3521[22:41:16] <greycat> bash 4.4 was released in 2016 but any
time we suggest a bash 4.4 feature in #bash we *always* have to have
an alternative ready for people who are on older versions
3522[22:41:25] <bitessss> apparently mini-dinstall can handle
multiple versions of one package, but it can't handle single
.deb files. curses.
3523[22:41:33] <deadrom> carp_, when it comes to learning a
language, ask yourself what you need for: yur personal hobby project
or do you need to make a living off it in the market. there you ask
for the most well supported with the most lively communicty, even if
the language has shortcomings. if I wanted to make money from coding
I'd look at C# today. C will stay around as long as low level
coding requires its fast, unfenced features but you have to know
what
3524[22:41:33] <deadrom> you do. I see it going the assember way
in the future.
3525[22:41:33] <greycat> It is not sane nor sensible to expect
people to be on the latest whatever.
3598[23:12:11] <Kelsar> the config file just maps IDs to names on
lookup. netiher routing rules nor iptables are persistent without
some sort of init script. also iptables is not routing...
3602[23:13:51] <ZeroBeholder> Let's just say I've gone
and wasted a bunch of time and resources and I had an x86 board with
a 4 port ethernet pcie card and a 802.11ac (with AP Mode
capabilities) mini pcie card --> pcie adapter in another slot.
I've already got the 4 ethernet ports bridged, I would like to
bridge the wifi configured with hostapd to the ethernet bridge-- has
anyone done this in a way that didn't seem like...
3603[23:13:53] <ZeroBeholder> ...a bodge. My googling has shown
three different ways that might work, I have tried none. I was just
pinging you all to see if anyone has tried this already?
3604[23:14:52] <Kelsar> ZeroBeholder: you should let hostapd
handle that, usually the least painfull way
3606[23:15:10] <ZeroBeholder> (TL;DR: my $69 router and $59
TP-Link AP are ~200 megabits faster-- 200 something anyways. The AP
connects at ~700 something and the $400 project is ~500 something if
anyone was curious.)
3607[23:15:27] <ZeroBeholder> Kelsar: ...hostapd will bridge to
ethernet?
3616[23:17:11] <ZeroBeholder> Kelsar: In /etc/network/interfaces
there are postup and preup hooks to kind of order the availability
of things (hopefully).
3617[23:17:38] <Kelsar> ZeroBeholder: dunno... never really used
debian myself....
3618[23:18:38] <aphotica> does anyone know if upgrading from
stable to testing will improve gaming performance on amd?
3619[23:19:46] <annadane> that's probably too complex to
answer with a simple yes or no, it likely depends on your system
3620[23:19:59] <annadane> the usual disclaimers of testing apply,
keep backups, things may break, etc
3621[23:20:27] <greycat> or ask #debian-next on OFTC which
actually uses and supports and knows about testing
3636[23:29:14] <aphotica> fair enough annadane , im assuming it
probably will and testing seems to be pretty stable, but at the same
time, stretch is just... about perfect, imho
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3641[23:30:13] <annadane> if you have a general question about
gaming that's basically your answer. if you're on the
other hand *dissatisfied* with your current gaming performance then
you should probably specify what about it is lacking, otherwise it
becomes a
3642[23:30:15] <annadane> !xy problem
3643[23:30:15] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
3644[23:30:59] <annadane> could be anything, graphics card, some
configuration you need to do, whatever
3665[23:50:39] <ealfonso`> ifconfig 2.10-alpha now changed its
output format in stretch, breaking my scripts to parse an ip
address. is there a more reliable way to query iface ip addresses?
3682[23:56:35] <Brigo> Clien0, what are you doing?
3683[23:56:49] <Clien0> trying to run gdb
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3685[23:58:01] <ealfonso`> armin I know about the ip command, is
it more 'stable' than ifconfig? I guess ifconfig
internally uses ip?
3686[23:58:10] <Brigo> Clien0, what debian version?
3687[23:58:56] <armin> ealfonso`: ifconfig is being considered
obsolete in many distributions already. the output of the ip command
is generally considered much more parse-able.