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10 [00:05:36] <jim> should the debian developers know about
this:
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11 [00:06:00] <ut> Is there a good way to run aptitude daily to
apply updates? I've seen unexplained prohibitions against
switching between apt-get and aptitude, and cron-apt looks like it
invokes apt-get...
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13 [00:07:51] <jim> ut, one thing, when software is replaced on
your machine, things will change... the person with the machine
that's being upgraded should be aware of that, especially if
they use it for real work
14 [00:08:30] <ut> jim: this is just a personal vm for me to
noodle with. I figure I'm better off having it update itself
when I'm not paying attention. point taken, though.
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19 [00:10:14] <jim> ut, one trick I do pretty often, is apt-get
-dy dist-upgrade, which just downloads the packages... when
you're ready with a block of time, you canrun the dist-upgrade
again without the -dy and it will actually install the packages
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23 [00:11:59] <jim> you'll want to do at least one thing:
run apt-get clean after doing upgrades of any kind, and another
thing, if you have a spare running debian around, you could run
apt-cacher-ng on it
24 [00:14:15] <ut> you happen to know why people say not to mix
apt-get with aptitude? I was thinking inconsistent tracking of
installed packages and reasons for installing them (implict as a
dependency vs. explicit user installation)?
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26 [00:15:43] <ut> or alternately, that it's fine and
people don't know what they're talking about :)
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31 [00:16:48] <jim> if you have two or more machines on the same
net as the cacher, it makes running it more worth it
32 [00:17:12] <jim> err machines running debian that is
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35 [00:18:15] <ut> I don't currently... maybe sometime.
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38 [00:19:20] <jim> ut, I can probably guess the reason for not
mixing them... it's because they use different ways of
resolving dependencies, and it's possible that mixing them
could cause weird problems
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60 [00:27:02] <rant> I want to remap the keys on a remote to use
it as a game controller in Xorg, some of the keys are MM keys and
mouse buttons. I've been fooling with Xorg's evdev driver
with no success, I have a udev rule for the device currenly jus
symlinking i to a device node for easier access.
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70 [00:28:55] <ut> jim: makes sense, thanks
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72 [00:30:51] <rant>
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73 [00:30:57] <rant> left, the ones on the right are arrows and
enter
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147 [01:13:29] <nekoseam> Where can I go to read about the
changes Debian makes to the normal kernel?
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155 [01:19:34] <yokowka> есть рускiя?
156 [01:20:21] <mnuhmnuh> !ru
157 [01:20:21] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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159 [01:21:16] <mnuhmnuh> looked like russian to me.
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161 [01:21:51] <nekoseam> Looks swedish to me
162 [01:22:02] <nekoseam> ;)
163 [01:22:22] <Sir_Designer> ich bin ein svenska flicka
164 [01:22:24] * annadane resists, with great difficulty, making an
"it's all greek to me" joke
165 [01:22:48] <mnuhmnuh> ecto picker.
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167 [01:23:20] <mnuhmnuh> MIB!
168 [01:23:23] <yokowka> how to make from ubuntu - debian?
169 [01:23:37] <nekoseam> I don't think that'd be
possible
170 [01:23:41] <mnuhmnuh> yokowka: re-install.
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173 [01:24:00] <nekoseam> You could always install Debian and
keep all your data
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176 [01:24:11] <rant> yokowka: download a debian install image
and reinsall over ubuntu.. is your /home on a seperate partition?
177 [01:24:55] <mnuhmnuh> make /home a separate ptn, and
it'll survive reboots/re-installs.
178 [01:24:57] <rant> I vaguely recall an effort years ago to
make something to turn other linux into debian
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181 [01:25:54] <mnuhmnuh> rant: debian will just say start over.
182 [01:26:03] <mnuhmnuh> !frankendebian
183 [01:26:03] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
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185 [01:26:04] <yokowka> nekosem - has tutorial? rant - /home
partition I don't know....
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187 [01:27:38] <rant> nekoseam: zless
/usr/share/doc/linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64/changelog.Debian.gz
188 [01:27:43] <yokowka> rant - has tutorial of reinstal debian
image over ubuntu?))
189 [01:28:37] <rant> yokowka: are you on the ubunu system right
now?
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194 [01:30:50] <yokowka> rant - Yes. Ubuntu 18.04. I has intel
x86_64. What image of Debian I must download?
195 [01:30:50] <yokowka> rant - i386?
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198 [01:31:17] <rant> yokowka: woah, are you sure you have
x86_64?
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200 [01:31:39] <TyzefOiD> Hi men, how you? anyone who run Rigs of
Rods game on Debian ?
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207 [01:33:41] <rant> yokowka: never mind, open a terminal, type
the following: (lsblk;lscpu)>~/log
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209 [01:33:57] <rant> they seem to have left
210 [01:34:11] <rant> and I made a typo anyhow :P
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212 [01:34:30] <rant> erm.. no that works
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215 [01:34:51] <rant> I could swear a trailing semicolon was
required
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218 [01:35:45] <yokowka> some problems was conection with, now
i'm in. let's continue. rant?
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220 [01:36:06] <rant> ok..
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222 [01:36:32] <rant> yokowka: open terminal and type:
(lsblk;lscpu)>~/log
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224 [01:36:58] <rant> yokowka: then goto paste.debian.net in your
browser and upload the file "log" in your homedir
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226 [01:37:10] <nekoseam> rant: thanks
227 [01:37:25] <yokowka> so, download image, install it with
already having system, then from debian delete ubuntu, or
something....?
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233 [01:38:26] <rant> once I have more information about your
current setup I can better advise you.. its also worth mentioning if
you care at all to save any of the data
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240 [01:40:05] <rant> that command should create a log with info
about your disk configuration and cpu type
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244 [01:41:02] <yokowka> rant sorry, repeat please your answer
before 02:40:02.
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248 [01:41:52] <yokowka> rant - was dissconect
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250 [01:42:25] <yokowka> rant, - what command?
251 [01:42:44] <rant> yokowka: I already did open a terminal,
type: (lsblk;lscpu;lspci -nn;lsusb)>~/log then goto
paste.debian.net click the choose file button, select the log from
your homedir and hit the send button
252 [01:43:14] <yokowka> already doing))))
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254 [01:44:08] <rant> technically I should've said a LANG=C
too since your system may be in russian :P
255 [01:45:09] <yokowka> yep, rant - os is on risianъ
256 [01:45:25] <yokowka> *rusianъ
257 [01:45:29] <rant> I'm not to the point of reading it
yet, but I have google translate.. and I'm learning
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260 [01:46:03] <rant> I had to study russian with audio lessons
first the alphabet throroughly confused me :P
261 [01:46:59] <yokowka> rant - you'll help me, i - study
You rusianъ))))
262 [01:47:36] <V_A> fuck ! GAYS ?
263 [01:47:39] <rant> yeah well learning to type/write and read
it isnt as easy as learning to understand and speak it :P
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265 [01:47:49] <rant> !ops V_A
266 [01:47:49] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
rant complains about a problem (see above)
267 [01:48:12] <yokowka> rant - agree at all
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272 [01:51:24] <rant> yokowka: the english word is
"completely" (polnost'yu) in that context
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275 [01:52:15] <yokowka> rant - yep. take:
replaced-url
276 [01:52:19] <rant> at all (voobshche) isnt quite right
277 [01:52:43] <yokowka> rant soversheno
278 [01:53:00] <yokowka> rant sovershEno
279 [01:54:41] <rant> yes that works too I suppos
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282 [01:55:38] <rant> yokowka: well I dont see anything that
would require additional firmware.. only thing that might be a
problem is the atheros bluetooth.. you can use the amd64 image.. do
you need to save any data from ubuntu? seems you're using one
large home partition
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284 [01:55:51] <rant> erm root partition that is
285 [01:56:00] <yokowka> rant - my mail, if something ask:
yokowka@rambler.ru
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288 [01:57:37] <yokowka> yes large /home at me, yes need save
data - information in /home
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291 [01:58:15] <yokowka> erm root??((
292 [01:58:34] <rant> yokowka: do you have a device like a spare
hdd or thumbdrive to backup to?
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295 [01:59:38] <rant> yokowka: the root filesystem is the top of
the hierarchy the / in /home your /home is all on the same partition
as everything else and using the enire disk you will either have to
resize the partition or use another disk to backup to
296 [02:00:01] <yokowka> spare? i have pc on windows also.
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298 [02:00:14] <rant> yokowka: it may be better to use a live
version of debian if you dont have anoher drive to backup
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302 [02:00:39] <rant> you could use a live image to resize the
partition of ubuntu and make room to backup
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304 [02:01:10] <rant> unless you have another drive with enough
space to backup /home until you install debian
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306 [02:01:29] <rant> du -h /home will calculate the size of
/home so you know how much space you need to backup
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310 [02:02:31] <rant> it is quicker and simpler to backup to
another drive from ubuntu than to resize and backup using a live
311 [02:03:02] <rant> because doing a resize to make room for a
backup will be moving the data twice and take twice as long
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317 [02:05:02] <rant> however if you backup to a windows
filesystem you may want to tar the /home first to preserve the
metadata
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329 [02:12:48] <yokowka> rant - 334 Gb space needed((((
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341 [02:15:21] <yokowka> rant , my skype: amikalaevich, viber,
icq: +375296783856
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345 [02:16:12] <r_nd0m> Hi
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349 [02:18:08] <rant> yeah, they def want to use a live image and
shrink the rootfs and make it a /home partition then create a new
root partition
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354 [02:18:54] <yokowka> rant, cagy bee is on line disconect
me))))
355 [02:19:05] <rant> yokowka: thats most of your drive.. how
much is free? df -Th
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357 [02:19:52] <rant> yokowka: if you have at least 10gb free you
can download a debian live image, use that to shrink the partition,
then create a new partition to install debian onto and use the old
ubuntu partition as /home
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359 [02:20:58] <yokowka> rant - i have 90 Gb free space
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361 [02:21:33] <rant> yokowka: thats what I'd recommend
then.. the live image for amd64.. it'll boot to a working
system with a deskop that you can use to repartition and backup
before installing
362 [02:22:11] <rant> yokowka: do you have a thumbdrive or blank
dvd or something to make an install media?
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366 [02:23:11] <yokowka> rant-how to shrink and create new
partition? what is your skype, viber, icq?
367 [02:23:44] <rant> yokowka: I havent used any of that stuff in
over a decade.. still remember my info but it wont do you any good
cause I'm not on there I only use freenode
368 [02:24:18] <yokowka> may be telegramъ?
369 [02:24:29] <rant> heh
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371 [02:25:23] <yokowka> cagy bee disconect me ((((
372 [02:25:32] <rant> yokowka: maybe after you install debian you
should look into getting yourself a VPS or something to maintain
your IRC connection
373 [02:25:36] <yokowka> kgb
374 [02:26:15] <yokowka> yes that will be excelent
375 [02:26:18] <rant> I'd ask why they'd be intereted
in you.. but we're talking about the kgb.. heh
376 [02:26:47] <rant> interested even
377 [02:26:59] <annadane>
replaced-url
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380 [02:28:45] <rant> annadane: in Soviet Russia the KGB
disconnect YOU!
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382 [02:29:50] <rant> at least I put yokowka on notify so I know
when they come/go since I have joins/parts ignored in #debian
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389 [02:33:37] <yokowka> last i don't understand.... so can
you make wider step by step tutoring for make all of 03:19:52?
especialy shrink create partition?
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392 [02:34:33] <rant> their connection is all screwed up :P
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398 [02:36:12] <yokowka> i'm with you
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401 [02:36:57] <rant> yokowka: do you have a thumbdrive or blank
dvd to put the live image on?
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403 [02:37:30] <yokowka> thumbdrive - it's to usb flash
card?
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406 [02:38:20] <rant> yes it will need about 2-3GB of space and
will erase the thumbdrive
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408 [02:38:56] <rant> yokowka: you may want to download over
bittorrent if your connection is dropping.
replaced-url
409 [02:38:56] <yokowka> yep, i've so
410 [02:38:56] <yokowka> *such
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412 [02:40:05] <rant> yokowka: once you make that image on the
thumbdrive, you boot to the desktop and start gparted, select your
ubuntu partition and shrink it about 10GB or so to make room for
debian, then click the unused space you freed and create a new ext4
partition
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414 [02:40:21] <rant> damn.. left again :P
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417 [02:40:37] <nekoseam> isn't yokowka the russian guy>
418 [02:40:41] <rant> da
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421 [02:41:35] <nekoseam> How long do you have to be inactive to
be closed
422 [02:41:41] <nekoseam> or is it a program specific thing
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424 [02:41:59] <rant> you're gonna need some context... that
means nothing to me
425 [02:42:17] <tsarompy> hi
426 [02:42:24] <tsarompy> im just here to complain about meta
packages
427 [02:42:27] <nekoseam> read d3r3k's message
428 [02:42:27] <tsarompy> and im done
429 [02:42:29] <tsarompy> thanks for listening
430 [02:42:34] <rant> heh
431 [02:43:03] <rant> nekoseam: again, that means nothing to me
432 [02:43:04] <tsarompy> lol is someone dual booting debian AND
UBUNTU
433 [02:43:07] <tsarompy> bruh why
434 [02:43:14] <tsarompy> i didnt mean to all caps that
435 [02:43:18] <tsarompy> but its funnier now in retrospect
436 [02:43:38] <nekoseam> i've never really gotten the
appeal of ubuntu
437 [02:43:50] <tsarompy> i get the appeal
438 [02:43:56] <tsarompy> i just dont get dual booting two rather
similar linuxes
439 [02:43:58] <nekoseam> it has a pretty theme?
440 [02:44:06] <tsarompy> i do like the PPAs in ubuntu tbh
441 [02:44:14] <nekoseam> ppas are just a security risk
442 [02:44:16] * themill searches for some relevance to Debian user
support
443 [02:44:21] <tsarompy> i dont think ubuntu has had a pretty
theme since karmic koala tho
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445 [02:44:24] <nekoseam> the only extra repository I have is
from bunsenlabs
446 [02:44:37] <yokowka> rant i has thumbdrive
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448 [02:44:48] <rant> themill: good luck with that I was
searching for clear and convincing evidence this was troll
449 [02:44:57] <tsarompy> whos trollin
450 [02:44:58] <tsarompy> let me at em
451 [02:45:29] * annadane raises hand
452 [02:45:43] <nekoseam> I've gotten called a troll 4 times
in the past month on ##linux. I've already forgotten why
453 [02:45:45] <tsarompy> >:|
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456 [02:46:05] <tsarompy> i like trolling the windows channels
457 [02:46:15] <rant> yokowka: would you be able to stay
connected to skype? can you voice chat? in english?
458 [02:46:21] <rant> cause this is a bit annoying :P
459 [02:46:41] <nekoseam>
replaced-url
460 [02:46:41] * tsarompy summons the ghost of rms's foot cheese
to witness the invocation of skype
461 [02:46:43] <yokowka> rant - YES, YES
462 [02:46:44] <rant> I can put skype on my phone and pretty sure
I remember the login and can prob guess the password
463 [02:46:47] <tsarompy> lol jinx
464 [02:46:54] <nekoseam> tsarompy: lol
465 [02:47:02] <yokowka> That's great
466 [02:47:04] <rant> and I'm not really doing anything
right now
467 [02:47:09] <rant> but sweating
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469 [02:47:47] <nekoseam> I can't wait for Debian 10. Mostly
because Qutebrowser will finally be added in the repos
470 [02:48:14] <nekoseam> Sick of Chromium's memory usage
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474 [02:49:06] <tsarompy> why cant you just use it now
475 [02:49:14] <nekoseam> It's not supported
476 [02:49:19] <nekoseam> in repos
477 [02:49:22] <tsarompy> lol
478 [02:49:24] <tsarompy> take a chance
479 [02:49:33] <nekoseam> never
480 [02:49:39] * rant never used skype on android before
481 [02:49:40] <mnuhmnuh> hey, i was just recently reminded of
dillo! WOOHOO!!! completely forgot it existed. damn.
482 [02:49:52] <tsarompy> what about um
483 [02:49:56] <tsarompy> what did qupzilla change its name to
484 [02:49:59] <tsarompy> falkon
485 [02:50:00] <nekoseam> falkon
486 [02:50:05] <nekoseam> jinx again
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488 [02:50:31] <tsarompy> i mean, i use google chrome dev and its
by far the nicest browser ive used so far
489 [02:50:56] <nekoseam> Chromium is a monster in memory usage
but godamn it's fast. WebKit is truly amazing
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491 [02:51:05] <tsarompy> naw dawg we blink now
492 [02:51:08] <tsarompy> aint no webkit
493 [02:51:11] <nekoseam> (webkit is what qutebrowser is using as
well)
494 [02:51:14] <themill> nekoseam, tsarompy: feel free to take it
to a private message, thanks
495 [02:51:15] <tsarompy> opera is pretty nice too
496 [02:51:26] <nekoseam> themill: Sorry
497 [02:51:29] <tsarompy> lol
498 [02:51:39] <tsarompy> no thats okay ill just like, find a
channel with less sticks up asses :P
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500 [02:51:50] <nekoseam> welp
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559 [03:41:36] <eamanu> Hello Everybody! anyone know why I have
this error on uscan:
replaced-url
560 [03:41:36] <eamanu> uscan warn: In watchfile debian/watch,
reading webpage
561 [03:41:36] <eamanu>
replaced-url
562 [03:41:36] <eamanu> uscan info: Scan finished?
563 [03:41:37] <eamanu> Thanks!
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567 [03:42:31] <eamanu> Hello everybody! I have an error when I
use uscan
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569 [03:42:59] <eamanu> uscan say me something like: 500
Can't connect to pypi.debian.net:443
570 [03:43:21] <themill> that would be because pypi.debian.net is
down atm
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581 [03:48:58] <spaces> I heard Debian has been sold to
Microsoft!
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583 [03:49:40] <spaces> because they coudn't buy Ubuntu and
they integrated their cli into Windows
584 [03:50:21] <cluelessperson> spaces: not happening
585 [03:50:27] <cluelessperson> spaces: and if they do, I'm
jumping ship
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587 [03:50:50] <spaces> cluelessperson they did, ok, where is
your ship positioned ? I like to have it :P
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589 [03:51:03] <jgkamat> source please
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591 [03:51:32] <themill> don't feed it
592 [03:51:33] <spaces> jgkamat I'm your source, do you
believe some media these days ?
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594 [03:51:52] <spaces> themill it always works ;)
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600 [03:52:17] <jgkamat> thanks
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604 [03:52:55] <cluelessperson> I have an issue with CIFS mounts
holding up a machine's shutdown
605 [03:52:58] <cluelessperson> not sure how to fix
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647 [04:06:05] <RoyK> !ask ! cluelessperson
648 [04:06:17] <RoyK> dpkg: tell cluelessperson about ask
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702 [04:19:13] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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704 [04:19:25] <tobiasBora> I don't know why, but when I do:
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708 [04:19:54] <tobiasBora> convert latex.png -colorspace sRGB
-set colorspace sRGB latex_palette.png
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710 [04:20:04] <tobiasBora> This does not change the colorspace,
and I still have:
711 [04:20:15] <tobiasBora> identify latex_palette.png --->
latex_palette.png PNG 100x16 100x16+0+0 8-bit Grayscale Gray 793B
0.000u 0:00.000
712 [04:20:23] <tobiasBora> (notice the Grayscale)
713 [04:20:24] <cluelessperson> RoyK: that is the question lol
714 [04:20:37] <tobiasBora> while I'd like to have sRGB. Any
idea what's the problem?
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746 [04:25:31] <themill> tobiasBora: istr you want -profile not
-colorspace
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748 [04:25:54] <yokowka_> rant - connection is losst
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755 [04:27:42] <tobiasBora> themill: I have errors with profile,
what should I choose? I tried several things, but none of them work
convert latex.png -profile sRGB latex_palette.png
756 [04:27:50] <rant> tobiasBora:
replaced-url
757 [04:28:25] <rant> or confuse you more :P
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759 [04:29:01] <rant> yokowka_: what connection?
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765 [04:30:55] <yokowka_> rant - in private chat....
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768 [04:31:27] <tobiasBora> rant: the thing is that I can't
find any sRGB.icm on my system
769 [04:31:33] <tobiasBora> so what should I use?
770 [04:32:21] <rant> tobiasBora: is icc-profiles installed?
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772 [04:32:49] <tobiasBora> nope
773 [04:33:09] <rant> well then install it :P
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775 [04:33:33] <rant> idk if you NEED it for what you're
doing but thats the package that provides it
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777 [04:33:47] <tobiasBora> why is it that complicated to just
set up a single sRGB mode ? ^^'
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779 [04:34:10] <themill> tobiasBora: I can't even find a
greyscale png here...
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785 [04:35:05] <tobiasBora> rant: I just want that when I type
`file image.png`, I get "8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
786 [04:35:07] <tobiasBora> "
787 [04:35:16] <tobiasBora> for now I have "4-bit colormap,
non-interlaced"
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791 [04:36:42] <rant> idk crap about color modes.. I just know
sometimes when I download a photo from the web The GIMP asks me
about converting the profile.. its irrelevant information to me :P
792 [04:37:07] <rant> I usually let gimp convert it just so I
dont see it complain
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818 [04:39:28] <tobiasBora> rant: gimp is great, but I need to
script it now
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844 [04:41:28] <rant> I hear ya.. I have a script called imgs I
use to perform batch ops with imagemagick but color profiles isnt
one of em.. cause as I said I dont know or care about that
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881 [04:41:50] <themill> tobiasBora: btw why do you need to
convert the image?
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922 [04:42:22] <rant> how image data is encoded is of no concern
to me.. my eyes dont support any icc profiles :P
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1302 [04:45:45] <tobiasBora> themill: well it's because of a
strange bug I can't explain on w3m (emacs)
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1312 [04:46:11] <tobiasBora> it can handle sRGB profile, but
it's buggy on others profiles
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1316 [04:46:32] <themill> hah
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2288 [04:53:25] <tobiasBora> rant: themill : I tried everything I
had in mind:
2289 [04:53:27] <tobiasBora> convert latex.png -profile
"/usr/share/color/icc/sRGB.icm" -colorspace sRGB -set
colorspace sRGB latex_palette.png
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2294 [04:53:39] <tobiasBora> file latex_palette.png ==> 8-bit
gray+alpha, non-interlaced
2295 [04:53:40] <tobiasBora> grr
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2306 [04:54:58] <tobiasBora> test
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2493 [05:57:19] <pinkos> hi guys whats a decent laptop for running
debian
2494 [05:57:21] <pinkos> ?
2495 [05:57:29] <pinkos> a modern one
2496 [05:57:33] <pinkos> that can run dark table pretty well
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2499 [05:58:52] <a1f> can't go wrong with a thinkpad
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2501 [05:59:33] <a1f> i guess system76 is an option now also, but
i've never had one
2502 [05:59:46] <a1f> that's my 2 cents
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2513 [06:04:03] <somiaj> pinkos: Debian runs on a wide varity of
laptops, you can usually pick a company/brand you like and find one,
just pay attention to the actual hardware. I know dell sells laptops
with linux (ubuntu) on it that will also work with debian
2514 [06:04:17] <somiaj> I would avoid very new laptops, and
optimus hardware
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2516 [06:04:21] <pinkos> is ee
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2518 [06:04:22] <pinkos> i see
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2530 [06:11:21] <neverreboot> howdy
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2535 [06:16:33] <pinkos> hey. whats the best debian burning
software?
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2537 [06:17:16] <somiaj> what do you mean by burning? And what is
your goal?
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2539 [06:18:26] <pinkos> disc burning
2540 [06:18:32] <pinkos> i want to create some data discs
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2543 [06:18:52] <pinkos> and id liek to not finalize them right
away, i.e. have the option of finalizing them later
2544 [06:18:58] <somiaj> wodim can burn the disc's,
you'll need mkisofs to create an iso image to burn.
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2546 [06:19:14] <somiaj> there are some graphical front ends that
can do this, gnome and kde both have one. I don't know their
name.
2547 [06:19:30] <pinkos> brasero?
2548 [06:19:41] <neverreboot> brasero is pretty good
2549 [06:19:44] <neverreboot> I've used it before
2550 [06:19:47] <somiaj> that is one, there are others as well.
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2556 [06:21:47] <neverreboot> I used k3b too
2557 [06:21:50] <neverreboot> that was a nice one
2558 [06:21:55] <neverreboot> and I think I used xfburn
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2561 [06:22:07] <neverreboot> bash burn is nice too if you only
have a bash prompt
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2580 [06:34:04] <nvz> has anything changed in the last say 5 years
how to investigate what locked up the last boot, or do I still jus
look for .1.gz logs in /var/log?
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2582 [06:34:33] <nvz> well not the boot, but froze up the whole
system while running and caused the user to hardboot
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2587 [06:35:04] <somiaj> nvz: systemd does things a little
differntly. By default journald doens't keep logs between
boots, unless you mkdir /var/log/journal
2588 [06:35:50] <somiaj> nvz: If you have that directory, you can
use journalctl to see all the logs from the last boot. If you never
made that dir to make logs persistant across boots, you'll have
to hope you can find what you are looking for in the other logs.
They are still there, but stuff may not be logging to them as much
as in the past.
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2591 [06:37:19] <pinkos> i want to find a good laptop for my
photography
2592 [06:37:28] <pinkos> looking at and working photos
2593 [06:37:47] <pinkos> i dont want to pay to use proprietary
lightroom
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2596 [06:38:32] <somiaj> as mentioned there are lots of latops
debian runs on. If you don't mind dell, I know they sell
laptops with ubuntu on them that could help avoid checking you get
one that is compadabile.
2597 [06:39:17] <somiaj> But in general mostly check the video
card, network card, wifi card, and sound card to see if it they are
supported in linux. There are also a lot of sites out there that
give linux support ratings for different laptops once you find one
you are intersted in.
2598 [06:39:28] <nvz> somiaj: so I can simply mkdir and
that'll keep me better logs?
2599 [06:39:32] <somiaj> The levono think pads seem to be popular
and usually have good support.
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2601 [06:39:45] <somiaj> nvz: correct, once that directory exists,
journalctl will save its logs between boots.
2602 [06:39:47] <nvz> somiaj: this sysem is currently jessie,
which has systemd but isnt same as stretch
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2606 [06:40:13] <nvz> my father keeps having his machine freeze up
every couple weeks
2607 [06:40:15] <somiaj> nvz: I'm unsure about jessie, I
dno't think the 'auto' option was enabled in jessie.
You may have to also change a systemd config file for jessie.
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2613 [06:41:58] <somiaj> nvz: check /etc/systemd/journald.conf and
look for the Storage= setting. auto is the default setting in
stretch that makes persistant logs if that directory exists.
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2616 [06:42:35] <somiaj> nvz: you can also set that to persistent
to force it, and it appears the jessie does support the auto
setting. I'm unsure if jessie defaults to auto or not.
2617 [06:43:01] <nvz> somiaj: its there Storage=auto but
commented.. everything is commented
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2619 [06:44:08] <somiaj> then auto should be the default
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2621 [06:44:29] <somiaj> you shouldn't need to uncomment
that, as that is how it works in stretch. I was just unsure for
jessie
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2623 [06:44:43] <themill> Chec what
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian says
2624 [06:44:49] <somiaj> so yea, just create the directory, and
you have persistant logs
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2627 [06:45:24] <nvz> I uncommented Storage=auto Compress=yes
Seal=yes SplitMode=uid SyncIntervalSec=5m RateLimitInterval=30s
RateLimitBurst=1000 and did the mkdir
2628 [06:46:03] <nvz> do I need to tell systemd I did this? a
daemon-reload or something?
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2631 [06:47:01] <nvz> this particular instance I seen an OOM
related to VirtualBox but thats prob not what typically causes his
problems.. he has 4GB ram
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2633 [06:47:26] <nvz> and looks like 2G swap
2634 [06:47:28] <somiaj> nvz: the settings that were commented out
should be the default settings, so that most likely didn't
change anything. I'm unsure about if you need to reload
journald after changing that file.
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2637 [06:48:50] <atiampela> hi guys
2638 [06:48:55] <atiampela> I have a question
2639 [06:49:07] <somiaj> Just ask.
2640 [06:49:31] <nvz> guess I'll read the manpage
2641 [06:49:38] <atiampela> How to change folder/file permissions
in NTFS file systems?
2642 [06:50:13] <atiampela> I use Debian 9 and have NTFS partition
to store my data
2643 [06:51:03] <somiaj> atiampela: in short you can't. But
if you mount an ntfs partition you can use the
uid=,gid=,umask=,fmask=,dmask=, options to set the permsisions used
for all files/directories.
2644 [06:51:20] <atiampela> yeap..I've mounted that drive
with ntfs-3g
2645 [06:51:22] * nvz restarted systemd-journald.service
2646 [06:51:33] <atiampela> I need to change the file permission
to classified samba user account
2647 [06:51:57] <somiaj> so you can make the whole filesystem have
a set permsions, but you have to change them for the whole mount,
you can't control indvidual permsisions on the mount.
2648 [06:51:59] <atiampela> so user can go through their data on
NTFS drive with their user account
2649 [06:52:27] <atiampela> is that possible?
2650 [06:52:57] <atiampela> I have 5 user with different user
account to access samba, let's said it's a
division/department
2651 [06:53:00] <somiaj> as I said, you can set the permisions
userd for the whole file system at mount time, but not indvidual
pieces.
2652 [06:53:00] <atiampela> *users
2653 [06:53:14] <atiampela> ah..thank you somiaj
2654 [06:53:18] <atiampela> :(
2655 [06:53:24] <atiampela> and I have an idea
2656 [06:53:24] <somiaj> You can't do that with an ntfs file
system in linux as far as I know. Change the file system for that.
2657 [06:53:45] <atiampela> how if I just set a password
protection for NTFS file/folder. is that possible?
2658 [06:54:05] <atiampela> if I set it up in Linux, so user which
is used Windows can access that file/folder
2659 [06:54:23] <somiaj> you really can't take advantage of
the advanced ntfs filesystem features form linux. If you want to do
stuff like that, use a linux file system.
2660 [06:54:35] <atiampela> ah :(
2661 [06:54:47] <atiampela> okay. I should make a schedule to
migration again haha
2662 [06:54:51] <atiampela> thanks somiaj :)
2663 [06:54:56] <somiaj> but you can set up fmask,dmask and
uid,gid, to give a group of users access to the ntfs files.
2664 [06:55:07] <atiampela> yes I did
2665 [06:55:16] <atiampela> but it just set 1 user and 1 group
only
2666 [06:55:18] <somiaj> so you have some control, but not fine
grained.
2667 [06:55:23] <somiaj> correct, and for the whole file system.
2668 [06:55:28] <atiampela> yes
2669 [06:56:45] <atiampela> ah
2670 [06:56:49] <atiampela> I have an idea
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2673 [06:57:16] <atiampela> how if I set a firewall for some IP
Address, so that IP address can only access file/folder that I set
it up
2674 [06:57:21] <atiampela> is that possible?
2675 [06:57:41] <atiampela> I mean firewall in my debian
2676 [06:57:46] <atiampela> iptables
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2678 [06:58:01] <somiaj> Yes you can use various tools to put a
firewall in debian and restrict which ip's can access what
ports/services/etc
2679 [06:58:17] <atiampela> got it! maybe it's a good
solution
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2681 [06:59:39] <somiaj> (note the file wall can restrict what
files they can access, but samba can)
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2683 [07:00:38] <nvz> when kernel says EMT invoked oom-killer what
is EMT?
2684 [07:00:40] <atiampela> sorry? you mean firewall can't
restrict to access some files/folder but samba is open for first the
connection ?
2685 [07:00:41] <atiampela> right?
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2687 [07:01:05] <atiampela> I don't get it sorry
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2689 [07:02:22] <somiaj> atiampela: samba can be configured as to
what users you give access to what files on your system. This may
take configuring what you want each user to access. Read the samba
docs
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2691 [07:02:34] <atiampela> yes I know
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2693 [07:02:44] <atiampela> but the problem is, data is stored in
NTFS file system
2694 [07:02:49] <somiaj> so
2695 [07:03:00] <atiampela> and per department had a different
user account
2696 [07:03:28] <atiampela> but ntfs-3g just only mount 1 user and
1 group
2697 [07:03:30] <somiaj> okay, configure samba to have read/write
access to the whoel NTFS drive, and then configure what each user is
allowed to access. Samba will do the reading/writting
2698 [07:04:14] <somiaj> now you can't take advantage of
samba running as the user that logs in, but samba can also be
configured to just access it as the samba user and not as the user
whose credentials were used (at least it use to be). I think samba
can still do this, but it maynot be the default configuration
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2702 [07:05:37] <atiampela> or let the user from Windows go
through the samba to access the NTFS drive first (let's said
it's on D:\, and restrict their permission with firewall or
iptables to access file/folder inside the D:\ Drive. right?
2703 [07:06:09] <somiaj> you can't restrict access to
files/folders with iptables
2704 [07:06:14] <atiampela> ah
2705 [07:06:18] <somiaj> iptables is for ports
2706 [07:06:33] <atiampela> so there is no way
2707 [07:06:35] <atiampela> :(
2708 [07:06:37] <somiaj> again read some docs, or figure it out
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2710 [07:06:41] <somiaj> or as I said, configure samba correctly
2711 [07:07:11] <atiampela> okay. I will look the doc again
2712 [07:07:16] <somiaj> samba can act as the middle man so to
speak. The samba process can read/write to the NTFS partition as a
single user, and it can be configured as to what users it gives
access to what pieces.
2713 [07:07:16] <atiampela> thank you somiaj
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2716 [07:07:41] <somiaj> at least it use to be able to do this,
and I expect if configured correctly it still can.
2717 [07:07:46] <somiaj> (doesn't use samba)
2718 [07:08:12] <atiampela> okay. I will try :)
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2723 [07:10:30] <somiaj> nvz: not getting much from google. Seems
like it is some kernel seetting, related to virtualbox and
multithreading, but not quite sure yet.
2724 [07:11:06] <nvz> yeah its what happened when virtualbox
caused an OOM
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2726 [07:11:57] <nvz> which was the only thing I found so far
prior to the freeze but that was at about 2300 local time, and the
machine wasnt hardbooted until about 0130 local time and there are
logs from smartd and such afterward
2727 [07:12:26] <somiaj> nvz: could just mean 'enhanced
multi-threading' or 'embedded memeory testing', but
not finding any clear idea what it means in that case.
2728 [07:12:32] <nvz> I had him try Ctrl+Alt+F1 and Al+Sysrq+K
before hardbooting, neither did anything and his mouse wasnt moving
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2731 [07:13:23] <nvz> and my remote mosh connecion was lost and it
wasn responding to pings
2732 [07:13:29] <nvz> so it was out to lunch
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2807 [08:08:36] <alaing> good morning, I wonder if someone can
help me install nodejs using deb. I have a Dockerfile which used to
work but now nodejs dev team have moved the source file I need to
update this one line in my Dockerfile
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2825 [08:22:27] <somiaj> alaing: debian doesn't offically
supporte nodejs, but I hear the upstream packages integrate with
debian quite well. Are you using the packages from upstream? If so
you should check their changelogs/docs for any changes.
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2828 [08:24:16] <alaing> Hi somiaj this the RUN command which has
recently stopped working
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2830 [08:25:10] <somiaj> I don't use nodejs so I won't
be of much help. I was just checking if you were using the upstream
nodejs packages, and also maybe you look for support more speicfic
to nodejs and docker. There maybe users here who could help
(I'm not one).
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2834 [08:25:43] <alaing> the source seems to have been moved into
specific version folders
2835 [08:25:45] <alaing>
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2836 [08:25:50] <alaing> ie ^
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2840 [08:26:21] <alaing> I'm not familiar with deb command
2841 [08:26:41] <somiaj> deb is not a command, that is just a
source you can add to your sources.list (deb is a configuration
option)
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2846 [08:27:47] <somiaj> but these are thrid party, and I was
trying to point you to a place you can more likely get support for
those third party repos/software. Note nodejs is popular, so maybe
if you lurk around here someone can help, you just may get better
help using upstream support.
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2850 [08:28:48] <alaing> thanks somiaj, interestingly if I comment
out that line in my DockerFile it does install nodejs but only
version 4.x
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2852 [08:29:35] <alaing>
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2853 [08:29:40] <somiaj> seems if you go to the package that hosts
those sources, they give you the exact command to type (note it runs
a bash script, so you best trust them) and it should set everythig
up for you.
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2855 [08:30:01] <somiaj> yea, I'm there, they tell you
exactly what to type to download a script and run it.
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2857 [08:31:14] <somiaj> update your instructions, they must have
changed things. The instructions you pasted don't match what I
see on that site
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2864 [08:32:24] <poranek> is any package creating channel?
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2868 [08:32:51] <somiaj> poranek: do you want to just learn to
created .deb packages, or do you want to create .deb packages for
the debian archive?
2869 [08:32:51] <alaing_> hmmm, good point about whether to trust
the bash script file
2870 [08:33:23] <poranek> somiaj: i create package but have a
trouble with this
2871 [08:33:33] <somiaj> alaing: I'm just poitning out they
have a sript that automates things, since you want to install
node.js, you most likely trust them enough already.
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2875 [08:33:55] <somiaj> poranek: I may not be able to help, I was
asking what your goal is with creating this package. Also have you
checked out the new matainers guide?
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2880 [08:34:58] <poranek> somiaj: I created package and send it
using dput but not have a sponsor and not send any bug report
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2882 [08:35:31] <somiaj> poranek: so your goal is to get the
package into debian. Anyways you most likely don't have
privlages to upload stuff to debian so your request is ignored.
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2884 [08:35:47] <somiaj> poranek: have you read the info on
mentors.debian.net? You can create an account and upload things
thtere.
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2886 [08:36:01] <poranek> yes, I read this guide
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2888 [08:36:23] <poranek> yes, i create account but have trouble
with uploading
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2890 [08:36:35] <poranek> this is a core of my trouble ;-)
2891 [08:36:36] <somiaj> poranek:
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2892 [08:36:51] <somiaj> poranek: did you create a gpg key,
assoicate it with your account and sign your package?
2893 [08:37:08] <somiaj> poranek: did you make sure to include
'mentors' in your dput command.
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2898 [08:39:23] <poranek> yes, i create a gpg, sign it , i send
package.changes using dput and get message: sucessfull but nothing
hapened
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2902 [08:39:52] <poranek> i not receive any email , no get any
information, and my web page with package not appear
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2904 [08:40:05] <alaing_> `. /etc/os-release ;
release="${VERSION#* (}" ;
release="${release%)}" ; ` if i echo out $VERSION i get
this follow: 9 (stretch). how do I get just "stretch from that
env var?
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2906 [08:40:13] <poranek> this is very very small package, only
one file
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2914 [08:41:06] <poranek> somiaj: if You need i can send You a
binary package or source
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2918 [08:41:28] <somiaj> poranek: Please keep conversation in the
channel. And anyways, I'm unsure what the issue could be then.
I have only used this service once and I got an email fairly quickly
after I ran dput saying the package was upoloaded, and I could then
go and view it assoicated with my account.
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2920 [08:41:49] <poranek> I create bin/source repository on
salsa.debian.org
2921 [08:42:02] <somiaj> poranek: maybe something small is
missing. I don't know, you could ask in #debian-mentors on
irc.oftc.net, as you will get actual DD's there, Im'
mostly a hobbist.
2922 [08:42:10] <poranek> somiaj: I send only link
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2924 [08:42:35] <somiaj> poranek: no need to send me the package,
you need to get it on the mentors site, and it seems you have
followed the instructions, and I don't know enough to debug it
further
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2927 [08:43:09] <somiaj> poranek: that's okay, still others
might have been intersted. No harm done, I just like to let people
know I prefer the whole conversation stay in public.
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2933 [08:44:40] <somiaj> alaing_: you may find lsb_release a bit
more relaiable. Otherwise you'll have to do some shell
scripting or other language to extract 9 (stretch) from that.
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2937 [08:45:01] <somiaj> alaing_: but lsb_release -c will give you
stretch
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2941 [08:45:36] <somiaj> (well almost, lsb_release -c | awk
'{print $2;}' will)
2942 [08:46:27] <poranek> somiaj: ok, i use dput too. When You
send package , you package apear in
mentors.debian/net/package/<here name package> ?
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2944 [08:46:53] <poranek> I send sucessfuly but this package not
have web page
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2948 [08:47:02] <somiaj> poranek: in the top right, there is a
link 'My Packages', I saw the package there.
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2952 [08:48:27] <somiaj> poranek: if you do not see your package
there, my guess is some issue with the signing the package or the
account configuration. As I said, I got an email confirmation fairly
quickly, and don't know enough details to help you debug this
further.
2953 [08:48:34] <somiaj> precise: try #debian-mentors on
irc.oftc.net
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2955 [08:49:18] <somiaj> precise:
replaced-url
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3017 [09:22:26] <FEAR000> hi
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3038 [09:30:55] <cheapie> rant: Fine, then I'll do it here.
3039 [09:30:56] <cheapie> Hi!
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3117 [10:15:30] <hassoon[work]> "morning
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3119 [10:15:48] <rant> in some places that is a fact
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3123 [10:16:48] <slax0r>
replaced-url
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3154 [10:26:36] <Luneburg> How can I remove all traces of firefox
from my system?
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3157 [10:28:54] <blaztek> apt remove --purge --autoremove
firefox-esr; rm -rf ~/.mozilla
3158 [10:29:06] <blaztek> would that work?
3159 [10:29:38] <Luneburg> blztek: Thanks! I'm guessing the
purge uninstalls the firefox itself, and then the rm -rf deletes the
user profile file?
3160 [10:30:12] <blaztek> you got it!
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3171 [10:31:40] <briner> hi, In some cases, I have a apt or dpkg
broken.
3172 [10:31:54] <briner> Is there a way to check if they are
broken or not.
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3176 [10:33:34] <limbo_> Luneburg: apkg/apt don't do anything
in your home folder.
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3179 [10:34:23] <limbo_> Why do you want to get rid of all traces?
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3182 [10:34:43] <rant> briner: you try install something and
it'll tell you.. alternatively use an interactive package
manager like synaptic or aptitude
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3185 [10:35:14] <Luneburg> limbo_: ;)
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3187 [10:35:58] <briner> rant: I'm managing a lot of servers.
And I'd like to have a script to see if apt and dpkg are in a
good health.
3188 [10:36:20] <skizzy> i messed up my xorg on debian. i tried
installing 32bit nvidia drivers which mentioned that i needed 32bit
xserver-xorg-core. well this removed all amd64 packages
3189 [10:36:23] <limbo_> Good health?
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3191 [10:36:54] <skizzy> how can i get my old debian xfce back? i
also did sudo apt autoremove trying to go back to amd64 so it
removed like everything
3192 [10:37:05] <limbo_> skizzy: you can get a list of all of the
packages that got uninstalled from your logs.
3193 [10:37:10] <limbo_> grep is goos
3194 [10:37:12] <rant> briner: it would be very bad administration
to script around those tools parsing any output.. do you know
python?
3195 [10:37:12] <limbo_> *good
3196 [10:37:18] <skizzy> where is that log an apt log?
3197 [10:37:22] <jelly> briner: apt-get -f install should not
report non-zero status; if you -s (--dry-run), it also won't
actually do anything
3198 [10:37:24] <briner> limbo_: yeah.. sometimes you ask to
install something and it tells you that you must first run something
like "dpkg -recongigure -a " or a "apt-get install
-f"
3199 [10:37:46] <rant> jelly: I was going to suggest that but
didnt think about the exit codes
3200 [10:38:02] <limbo_> skizzy: in /var/log/ apt,aptitude,dpkg
etc..
3201 [10:38:07] <jelly> dpkg --configure -a is also nice but not
does handle apt
3202 [10:38:07] <skizzy> now i have no internet on my box. they
changed it from ifconfig up or whatever it was
3203 [10:38:07] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, jelly
3204 [10:38:35] <skizzy> limbo_, ok will look in there but will
need connectivity to download the packages
3205 [10:38:36] <rant> definaely did dpkg, definately did
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3211 [10:39:48] <limbo_> skizzy: or apt-offline, or an install CD.
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3213 [10:40:06] <briner> so what could I do ?
3214 [10:40:07] <skizzy> limbo_, but is there a command to bring
up eth0 now?
3215 [10:40:14] <skizzy> dhclient worked in recovery mode
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3221 [10:41:25] <limbo_> briner: Are you looking for broken
packages specifically, or any problems whatsoever?
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3225 [10:41:58] <limbo_> IME, just running apt-get update
periodically reports some problems.
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3227 [10:42:39] <briner> limbo_: I'm trying to find a way to
ensure that dpkg and apt-get are healthy. That way, I'll be
sure that unattende-upgrades will work.
3228 [10:43:35] <limbo_> When's the last time it broke, and
could you have fixed it with a script you wrote ahead of time?
3229 [10:43:47] <skizzy> on debian stretch what is the command to
bring the default ethernet up? it now has this ip command
3230 [10:44:10] <limbo_> briner: also, get the server to send you
emails meant for root.
3231 [10:44:25] <jelly> skizzy: something like ifup eth0
3232 [10:44:28] <limbo_> also, public service amnnouncement:
install etckeeper
3233 [10:44:38] <rant> limbo_: kudos on that rationale ;)
3234 [10:44:51] <skizzy> jelly, not found
3235 [10:44:52] <jelly> skizzy: assuming "eth0" is
configured in /etc/network/interfaces
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3237 [10:44:59] <limbo_> skizzy: when you fix your system, install
etckeeper It'd get your ass right out of this situation.
3238 [10:45:03] <jelly> skizzy: what is not found?
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3240 [10:45:10] <skizzy> ifup is not found
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3242 [10:45:29] <jelly> skizzy: make sure /sbin is in root's
PATH
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3245 [10:46:04] <skizzy> wow my system is totally screwed up
3246 [10:46:22] <skizzy> grr. I just want my home directory and a
fresh stretch i guess
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3249 [10:46:37] <briner> "apt-get install -f" will try
to fix-broken packages. What about an option like:
"show-me-if-broken"
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3251 [10:46:56] <skizzy> i went to /sbin and ran dhclient, got my
network up
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3255 [10:47:57] <rant> briner: or like "if you -s
(--dry-run), it also won't actually do anything"
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3257 [10:48:35] <briner> what about: dpkg-query -W
-f='${db:Status-Abbrev} ${binary:Package}\n' | grep -E
^.[^nci]
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3262 [10:50:37] <jelly> briner: what about adding -s (--dry-run)?
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3264 [10:51:43] <rant> jelly: thats illegal in a lot of places
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3266 [10:52:00] <jelly> !moo
3267 [10:52:01] <dpkg> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh
twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas
comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all!
type apt-get moo; aplay
/usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav
3268 [10:52:37] <Luneburg> o_o
3269 [10:53:03] <rant> I was gonna say beating a dead horse, but
cow works too..
3270 [10:53:57] <briner> jelly: seems good too as I have a "1
not fully installed or removed."
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3274 [10:57:13] <han-solo> how dare thee speak of cow like
that....
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3277 [10:57:55] <han-solo> kidding :}
3278 [10:58:41] * rant thinks he hears the faint distant sound of one
hand clapping
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3281 [10:59:23] <skizzy> is there a way to just reinstall debian
over my old one and keep my home directory?
3282 [10:59:47] <skizzy> I copy it but all i have are windows
partitions available on usb drives
3283 [11:00:01] <rant> skizzy: is your homedir on a seperae
partition?
3284 [11:00:16] <skizzy> no, good idea though for next time
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3287 [11:01:14] <limbo_> skizzy: user creation shouldn't
overwrite your home folder.
3288 [11:01:29] <rant> skizzy: well if you have a media large
enough to hold it, backup with tar or something to one of those,
alternatively if you have enough freespace for a root partition say
8-10gb or more, boot a live iso, shrink your partition, make a new
one, install to that then convert the old rootfs to a /home
3289 [11:01:41] <limbo_> If you're concerned, don't
format the drive, and rename the folder.
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3291 [11:02:21] <rant> installing without formatting is a bad
idea.. you could wind up with cruft among other things
3292 [11:02:52] <limbo_> You can delete all of the other folders
yourself beforehand. Probably should have mentioned that.
3293 [11:03:14] <rant> yeah well that'd be the idea with
converting the rootfs to a /home
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3296 [11:03:31] <skizzy> thatś a few ideas. digesting
3297 [11:03:49] <skizzy> on my raspberry pi and it is putting in
strange keystrokes
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3303 [11:04:34] <rant> you can after shrinking the partition and
making a new one you can just install normally to the new partition
and deal with modifying the old rootfs and fstab and such later or
do it first doesnt really matter
3304 [11:04:52] <skizzy> Iḿ trying to remember how does the
install handle the windows partition i already have
3305 [11:05:06] <skizzy> I think it just found it and even made a
grub menu entry for it
3306 [11:05:24] <rant> doing it after will give you time to save
any files outside /home you may want but doing it first will give
you more free space to play with
3307 [11:05:38] <skizzy> Iĺl try the partition resizing
3308 [11:05:40] <limbo_> Anyone know how to disable a specific
keyboard key?
3309 [11:06:08] * rant hands limbo_ a crude flat instrument
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3311 [11:06:17] <darxmurf> remove the key from the keyboard
3312 [11:06:19] <darxmurf> damn
3313 [11:06:20] <darxmurf> :D
3314 [11:06:21] <rant> heh
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3318 [11:07:09] <rant> you're lucky you even got a response..
I been asking input related questions for a week now on all sorts of
channels.. nothing but crickets
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3322 [11:07:44] <rant> the input stuff in linux is more terrifying
that the bug blatter beast of trall, a chupacabre, or any of that
3323 [11:08:59] <rant> limbo_: what sort of key and what context
do you want it disabled?
3324 [11:09:16] <rant> cause simply making it a binding in
something and do nothing comes to mind :P
3325 [11:09:36] * rant could do this in his wm easily
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3328 [11:10:33] <skizzy> maybe iĺl try learning instead of
reinstalling. i have all the packages removed. i added most of the x
stuff back but it[s just getting a blank screen
3329 [11:10:42] <skizzy> it removed my drivers and everything so i
guess thatś why
3330 [11:11:19] <skizzy> so basically i need to get x running from
scratch
3331 [11:11:45] <skizzy> and figure out why things like sbin are
not in my path when i ctrl alt f1 to another terminal
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3336 [11:12:29] <limbo_> rant: It's the ; key on a hp
netbook. The OS reacts like it's being held down, most of the
time.
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3339 [11:13:20] <limbo_> I'm using it as a headless server.
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3342 [11:13:42] <nekoseam> :)
3343 [11:13:44] <rant> yeah opening sawfish-ui and setting a
binding for 'a' to nothing in global context effectively
disables that key
3344 [11:13:45] <limbo_> Was a massive pain in the ass to install
the OS,
3345 [11:13:58] <rant> but if the key is reapeating..
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3348 [11:14:04] <rant> that could still cause issues I suppose
3349 [11:14:20] <at0m> limbo_: xmodmap might be able to remap the
annoying key to something out of used range
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3351 [11:14:42] <rant> limbo_: my next go a my issue is to try
udev.. apparently it can map keys too
3352 [11:14:44] <at0m> limbo_: xmodmap is part of
x11-xserver-utils, i think
3353 [11:14:51] <limbo_> X isn't installed.
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3355 [11:14:56] <limbo_> It's a server
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3358 [11:15:26] <at0m> ssh to it and don't do local keyboard
3359 [11:15:33] <rant>
replaced-url
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3361 [11:15:52] <rant> two sites outlining udev mapping
3362 [11:16:10] <rant> I havent tried this yet.. burnt out on xkb
and evdev
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3364 [11:16:25] <Sepultura> I have a question: If you include MIT
or BSD Licensed Libraries in your C++ Projects, do you put any
Thanks to the creators anyway?
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3368 [11:17:08] <limbo_> Sepultura: The source files need to
retain their copyright notice, and you need to show that your used
their code.
3369 [11:17:39] <Sepultura> yes but in the Binaries?
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3371 [11:17:50] <Sepultura> most people do not use the source they
download the binaries
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3373 [11:18:05] <limbo_> yes.
3374 [11:18:26] <limbo_> Sepultura: there is no requirement to
thank them though. Just to say who they were, and what the license
was.
3375 [11:18:29] <Sepultura> In case of MIT you could even make it
closed Source
3376 [11:19:03] <Sepultura> but my Project is OSS too
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3379 [11:19:18] <limbo_> attribution is required.
3380 [11:19:24] <nekoseam> wew, 2 AM. probably should get to bed
3381 [11:19:30] <limbo_> rant: thanks. I'll try that.
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3385 [11:22:58] <rant> limbo_: let me know how it goes.. I plan to
go at it myself in near future
3386 [11:23:20] <limbo_> do I have to remap all of the keys, or
will all of the other ones just work?
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3388 [11:24:22] <rant> idk.. heh.. the linux input layers are like
some kinda m c escher creation..
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3391 [11:25:59] <rant> udev, input, evdev, xinput, xkb, xmodmap,
they all just become an incomprehensible n-th dimensional space
collapsing in on itself that makes it a miracle or merely a very
convincing illusion that it works at all
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3396 [11:27:11] <rant> there is probably some small alien that is
merely a figment of jelly's imagination actually making us all
think I'm typing right now
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3401 [11:27:51] <hauntedd> lol rant
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3405 [11:29:21] <rant> sadly I tell no lies :P
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3407 [11:29:40] <nekoseam> Hey, mind if I take a screenshot of IRC
open with your names in it? I can blurr yours out if you wish
3408 [11:29:51] <limbo_> Hi Mom!
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3410 [11:30:10] <rant> there are probly developers who wrote some
of this stuff just as surprised as Trump is over winning the
election, that it works
3411 [11:30:14] <limbo_> rant: it worked.
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3413 [11:30:38] <rant> limbo_: cool. guess I know where to focus
my efforts.. thought udev would be the safe bet.. its never done me
wrong
3414 [11:30:58] <limbo_> still shows up as pressed in evtest, but
does nothing.
3415 [11:31:17] <rant> good to know
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3418 [11:31:41] <rant> nekoseam: its all being logged and parsed
anyhow
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3420 [11:31:57] <nekoseam> I suppose :)
3421 [11:32:04] <rant> I don't, I know
3422 [11:32:18] <limbo_> it may be an insane clusterfuck, but the
things you can do with data on linux is something I miss on other
OSs.
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3424 [11:32:24] <rant> Piggy is watching you! :P
3425 [11:32:56] <limbo_> if anyone in here doesn't know what
xsel and/or xclip are, you're missing out.
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3428 [11:33:13] <rant> limbo_: other OSes are just another way the
man keeps you down.. fight the oppression!
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3432 [11:34:33] <Indentist> hello, I was just getting notices from
python IDE tools like "eric6" and "spyder" that
their newer versions were available. is it possible to request the
upgrades of these packages in the repos?
3433 [11:35:24] <rant> Indentist: its possible to request whatever
you want.. just don't hold your breath
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3436 [11:35:48] <rant> ,v spyder
3437 [11:35:49] <judd> Package: spyder on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.1.10-2; wheezy-backports: 2.2.5+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie:
2.3.1+dfsg-1; stretch: 3.1.3+dfsg1-3; buster: 3.2.6+dfsg1-2; sid:
3.2.6+dfsg1-2
3438 [11:36:03] <rant> ,v eric6
3439 [11:36:04] <judd> No package named 'eric6' was
found in amd64.
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3442 [11:36:46] <jelly> Indentist: newer versions of software in
general do not happen within a Debian release.
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3444 [11:37:28] <Indentist> jelly, that means it waits until the
next debian, like 10?
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3448 [11:38:17] <rant> unless its made available as a backport..
and doing your own backports is usually pretty simple with the
caveat of having to maintain your own updates
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3452 [11:39:15] <Indentist> rant, how do I maintain my own
updates?
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3454 [11:39:41] <Indentist> like, when a new version comes,
replace the former version with it?
3455 [11:39:41] <rant> Indentist: you keep rebuilding he package
and monitoring any security issues or bug fixes
3456 [11:40:07] <rant> like with spyder 3.1.3 is in Stretch, but
3,2,6 is in sid..
3457 [11:40:10] <Indentist> rant, it is not my own package. how
can I monitor it at that level?
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3460 [11:40:41] <rant> its not real straightforward but if
you're backporting from sid you can just monitor the changelogs
or bug reports for that
3461 [11:40:46] <rant> !ssb
3462 [11:40:47] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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3464 [11:41:45] <Sepultura>
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3494 [11:57:14] <limbo_> No, it shouldn't.
3495 [11:57:21] <limbo_> well, it can't.
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3504 [12:00:45] <QQG3mb3l> .
3505 [12:00:48] <QQG3mb3l> test on
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3507 [12:01:17] <QQG3mb3l> .
3508 [12:01:56] <hassoon[work]> point
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3511 [12:02:22] <QQG3mb3l> hooh
3512 [12:03:11] <Sepultura> is codeplex.org malicious?
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3565 [12:25:05] <Indentist> rant, thank you for the information
3566 [12:25:07] <Luneburg> when I do pptp SERVERNAME, I get The
remote system is required to authenticate itself but could not find
any suitable secret
3567 [12:25:28] <Luneburg> Even though I added the secret?
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3589 [12:36:23] <michael2> hi all. does anyone know how to specify
the component (main/non-free/contrib) in an aptitude search? e.g.
aptitude search '?installed(?section(main))' ?
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3592 [12:37:29] <Luneburg> In this guide, what does it mean by
$DOMAIN?
replaced-url
3593 [12:37:36] <Luneburg> Is it just the server IP?
3594 [12:37:42] <RoyK> Luneburg: I don't think I've used
pptp for at least a decade - the protocol is full of bugs, and afaik
little has happened since rfc2637 was released in 1999 - the rfc
isn't even in the standards track
3595 [12:39:04] <Luneburg> RoyK: I understand, but I'm in a
situation where PPTP is the best option
3596 [12:39:11] <RoyK> ok
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3603 [12:43:35] <Luneburg> RoyK: Slightly off topic, but when you
said "for at least a decade," I immediately thought of
1995, not 2005
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3606 [12:43:48] <RoyK> Luneburg: hehe
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3611 [12:45:38] <michael2> anyone know why: aptitude search
'?section(main)' returns nothing? I thought it should
print all packages from main?
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3634 [12:53:36] <bites> michael2: yeah, weird. works for contrib
and non-free but not for main.
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3638 [12:57:01] <bites> michael2: seems that the section for
packages in main split. git for example is in section vcs, exim4 is
in section mail
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3640 [12:57:55] <michael2> bites: what command did you run to get
those names?
3641 [12:58:21] <kamui_> hi guy
3642 [12:58:22] <bites> just apt-cache show git
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3650 [13:00:02] <michael2> bites: thats a different section - not
related to main/non-free... - apt overloads the names..
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3654 [13:00:53] <bites> that's what ?section in aptitude
looks at.
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3662 [13:02:45] <michael2> bites: seems you're right
3663 [13:02:48] <bites> aptitude looks at the section in the
control file of the package.
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3666 [13:04:40] <jolt> Luneburg: No idea ,but I guess some
usernames are specificed like in windows domains: domain\user
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3669 [13:05:06] <jolt> Luneburg: And if you don't have it,
then just ignore it
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3721 [13:32:35] <Luneburg> When I go to my network-manager in a
virtual machine, and then go into the VPN -> PPTP, all the
options are greyed out
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3723 [13:32:37] <Luneburg> Anyone know why?
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3726 [13:33:44] <kamui_> mmm sorry
3727 [13:33:50] <kamui_> i don't know
3728 [13:33:53] <kamui_> :(
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3731 [13:34:30] <kamui_> and in truth, i don't have vpn :)
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3758 [13:53:00] <deface> hi all
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3761 [13:53:04] <deface> please help
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3766 [13:53:41] <deface> i am looking pkg for reed RAM addresses?
3767 [13:53:46] <deface> any ideas?
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3776 [13:57:49] <jelly> deface: userspace is not supposed to read
specific physical RAM addresses. If you have memory-mapped devices,
the cleanest approach is to write a (kernel module) device driver
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3799 [14:10:58] <user03> hello, i get an error on a fresh
installation: lxc-create --name vm1 --logfile $HOME/lxc_vm1.log
--logpriority DEBUG -t download Setting up the GPG keyring ERROR:
Unable to fetch GPG key from keyserver. lxc-create: lxccontainer.c:
create_run_template: 1297 container creation template for vm1 failed
3800 [14:11:07] <user03> can someone help me?
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3820 [14:18:32] <Tarhalindur> Anyone here?
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3822 [14:19:00] <Tarhalindur> I need a bit of help.
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3824 [14:20:03] <Javabean> there are people here, whether or not
we can help depends on you question. others who aren't
"here" right now but might be better able to help will see
your question and answer when they can
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3826 [14:21:11] <Tarhalindur> So I'm trying to install
openssh-server, but when I try it fails.
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3829 [14:21:39] <Tarhalindur> I tried with both apt-get and apper.
3830 [14:21:52] <Tarhalindur> Firefox works just fine.
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3833 [14:22:48] <user03> Tarhalindur, what is the error message?
3834 [14:23:04] <Tarhalindur> One moment...
3835 [14:24:21] <Tarhalindur> Job for ssh.service failed because
the control process exited with error code.
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3838 [14:25:44] <Tarhalindur> Actually, looks like it's
working now.
3839 [14:25:52] <Tarhalindur> Hold on one moment, I'm going
to try and ssh myself.
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3847 [14:28:42] <Tarhalindur> Alright, next question. How do you
specify port with the ssh command?
3848 [14:30:24] <Johann> what port are you talking about? If
it's only the listening port of the ssh server, it's
simply -p port
3849 [14:31:02] <Johann> and if you just installed ssh it's
listening on port 22
3850 [14:31:02] <Tarhalindur> Sure, I'll try that asap
3851 [14:31:07] <Johann> so you don't have to specify port
3852 [14:31:15] <Tarhalindur> I actually changed it to port 20 for
security reasons
3853 [14:31:24] <Tarhalindur> So it would go like:
3854 [14:31:28] <Tarhalindur> ssh -p 20
3855 [14:31:29] <Tarhalindur> ?
3856 [14:31:32] <Johann> yeah
3857 [14:31:36] <Johann> but if you want to know if it's
running
3858 [14:31:50] <Tarhalindur> Yes
3859 [14:31:53] <Johann> you'd better look at the list of
processes with ps or at the list of open ports with netstat
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3864 [14:33:40] <Johann> something like netstat -ltn
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3870 [14:35:47] <luna> Anyone here is good at dpkg i downloaded
MariaDB 10.3.7 but i only wanna install the amd64 deb files but in
the directory it has all archs is there any way to specify in dpkg
to just install some files?
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3880 [14:37:57] <Tom_-> luna, try installing dpkg -i *amd64.deb
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3882 [14:38:09] <Tom_-> or otherwise using shell wildcards
3883 [14:38:23] <luna> Tom_-: worked thanks :)
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3971 [15:10:07] <ska> Is there a best/standard way to install
Firefox quantum on Stretch?
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3973 [15:11:30] <han-solo> apt-cache search <whatever>
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3978 [15:12:52] <themill> ska: there are no packages at this
stage; they are likely to come in the next couple of months
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3980 [15:13:32] <ska> themill: So we may see Quantum packages for
Stretch stable soon?
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3994 [15:22:29] <rmrfchik> what is sources.list line for squeeze?
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3997 [15:22:44] * rmrfchik is fixing really old and broken debian
3998 [15:23:24] <themill> !squeeze sources.list
3999 [15:23:24] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb
replaced-url
4000 [15:23:39] <themill> also «deb
replaced-url
4001 [15:24:46] <rmrfchik> ah, thanks!
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4004 [15:25:30] <hollusion> how do you install dropbox on debian
server?
4005 [15:25:32] <hollusion> i couldnt find a package repo
4006 [15:25:48] <hollusion> "nemo-dropbox : Depends: dropbox
but it is not installable"
4007 [15:27:33] <cr1mson_king> that is on non-free repository, I
think
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4010 [15:29:46] <cr1mson_king> actually, that package cannot be
found
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4064 [15:52:39] <bitSt0rm> Do anyone have experience with
installing cursor theme for X11?
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4071 [15:59:35] * zophyx uses the Chelsey Clinton for President Debian
distro
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4084 [16:03:24] <Stanley678> what virtual machine software works
best with debian strech ?\
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4088 [16:04:25] <somiaj> define best? Also do you want to have
windows as a vm or not? I personally like qemu-kvm, and I use
libvirt/virtmanager to manage the vms
4089 [16:05:24] <somiaj> You can use virtualbox, it is in
stretch-backports, and requires you to build a module for it. There
is also xen, lxc and others avaiable in stretch.
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4091 [16:07:25] <Stanley678> somiaj: thx
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4109 [16:14:23] <areyouloco> hi I want to build debian package
that contains no executive files just some artwork that needs to go
to /usr/share/.../... can someone point me to some tutorial how to
build package from scratch. I think mostly about debian specific
files like debian/control etc.
4110 [16:14:40] <greycat> !nmg
4111 [16:14:40] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
4112 [16:15:05] <han-solo> building a .deb is so much different
that .rpm # :}
4113 [16:15:38] <areyouloco> han-solo:yes, I want to build an .deb
package
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4115 [16:16:13] <han-solo> areyouloco: i was just saying
generally, not to you
4116 [16:16:16] <han-solo> :}
4117 [16:16:23] <han-solo> sorry
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4119 [16:17:41] <areyouloco> han-solo: same for you then.
generally speaking:D
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4121 [16:18:15] <han-solo> Yes, i', just reading it as well
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4132 [16:21:16] <bites> areyouloco: if you want to learn about
debian packaging and do it the right way, read the nmg. if you just
want to build a package an be done with it, write a Makefile and
create the package with checkinstall.
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4145 [16:26:38] <bites> areyouloco: this is the makefile i use for
most of my stuff.
replaced-url
4146 [16:27:22] <areyouloco> nmg stands for New Mainteiner Guide.
ok will look into it thanks bites
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4148 [16:28:02] <bites> yeah, what greycat linked earlier.
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4153 [16:31:08] <areyouloco> ok so it's time for point 1.
Getting started The Right Way... getting started the right way takes
time and shit load of reading... fine by me. I go into lecture. Thx
& bye
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4162 [16:36:50] <devrikx> Hello, just did my daily sudo apt-get
update/upgrade/dist-upgrade and had an issue with being stuck at
UTMP runtime level changes... did a search, found it was potentially
a video driver issue, so did a reinstall of nvidia driver...now the
system boots to login, but no keyboard/mouse... the cursor shows up
but mouse wont move, keybaord wont respond at all - in maintenence
mode everything works, but nothing in gui. any ideas on how
4163 [16:36:50] <devrikx> to fix? Buster, 4.16.0-1-amd-64
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4177 [16:44:42] <bitSt0rm> devrikx, I'm no expert at this -
but have had similar issues previously. I would start out by
checking if any .X11 config files got changed. Possibly you could
list the files and check the time they were last modified.
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4179 [16:45:35] <bitSt0rm> The X files are located in /etc/ and|or
/etc/X11/ I think
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4231 [17:12:35] <jak2000> !ms dpkg source
4232 [17:12:41] <jak2000> !dpkg source
4233 [17:12:41] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source
packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a
location with free space; download the source package with
<apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use
<dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details,
also ask me about <package recompile> <backport>
<nmg> <policy> <source package>
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4235 [17:13:23] <jelly> jak2000: you can /msg dpkg stuff
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4262 [17:25:40] <de-facto> Hi, I would like to install a kiosk GUI
where a uses just can interact with one website: i thought minimal
debian stretch, Xorg, openbox and chromium in kiosk mode. Any
suggestions how to get a minimal attack surface and completely
prevent users to close the browser?
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4264 [17:26:17] <greycat> get rid of openbox (or any other WM)
4265 [17:26:36] <greycat> and run the browser in an infinite loop
that restarts it if it happens to exit for any reason
4266 [17:26:37] <de-facto> can i run chromium directly in Xorg
root window?
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4268 [17:26:46] <greycat> Yes, just like any other program.
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4270 [17:27:08] <greycat> I mean, it won't technically be
"in" the root window. It'll be a separate window.
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4274 [17:27:48] <de-facto> do all the GUI elements (like
scrollbars and resolution) work in chromium if i dont have a WM in
between?
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4276 [17:27:59] <greycat> TIAS
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4278 [17:28:23] <de-facto> huh?
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4280 [17:28:42] <greycat> !TIAS
4281 [17:28:42] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
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4284 [17:29:05] <r3> heh
4285 [17:29:16] <de-facto> ah ok
4286 [17:30:08] <de-facto> so firstly i just install Xorg and
chromium with minimal deps and play around then i guess
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4292 [17:30:37] <greycat> You could play around on an existing
Debian installation. Just write a .xsession file that doesn't
run a WM.
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4296 [17:31:03] <de-facto> id have to install it first anyhow
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4304 [17:32:39] <greycat> I'm not sure how to force chromium
to run at exactly full-screen size with its upper left corner at
(0,0) so that may take some chromium-specific options or
configuration.
4305 [17:33:17] <greycat> The .xsession part is really simple,
though: while true; do chromium --whatever --options; done
4306 [17:33:23] <drzacek> Hi. Where does i965_dri.so come from?
And how can I get debug version of it?
4307 [17:33:56] <de-facto> ok thanks i will try that once i have a
minimal debian on the hdd
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4310 [17:35:53] <de-facto> the only option to close chromium in
kiosk mode was Alt+F4 before, but i guess without WM even that
(hopefully) will be disabled
4311 [17:36:24] <de-facto> but makes sense to run it in a loop
anyhow eg. when it crashes or such
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4313 [17:37:55] <greycat>
replaced-url
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4320 [17:40:45] <de-facto> thanks
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4327 [17:42:39] <jelly> drzacek: built from mesa sources. See /msg
dpkg dbgsym
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4331 [17:43:08] <OS-38463> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 1234XXXX
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4334 [17:44:10] <drzacek> ah thanks
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4336 [17:44:27] <jelly> drzacek: dpkg -S i965_dri.so | awk
-F': ' '{print $1}' | xargs dpkg -s
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4340 [17:45:27] <jelly> OS-38463: no. Bad user!
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4349 [17:50:54] <de-facto> hmm can i just "dd"
replaced-url
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4356 [17:52:09] <de-facto> is there an official method for putting
debian on usb sticks?
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4358 [17:53:01] <bites> cp the iso to the block device is what the
installation guide suggests.
4359 [17:53:45] <bites> or use dd if that makes you happy.
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4369 [17:56:50] <DammitJim> what is the software package i need to
install on my debian laptop to do: ssh-add
4370 [17:56:59] <greycat> ,file bin/ssh-add
4371 [17:56:59] <DammitJim> and enter the passphrase for my key?
4372 [17:57:03] <judd> Search for bin/ssh-add in stretch/amd64:
openssh-client: usr/bin/ssh-add
4373 [17:57:08] <DammitJim> I have a server that says there is no
4374 [17:57:12] <greycat> You need a running ssh-agent, of course.
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4376 [17:57:37] <DammitJim> greycat, is that a service?
4377 [17:57:43] <DammitJim> what package installs ssh-agent?
4378 [17:57:49] <greycat> man ssh-agent, unless you're using
the GNOME one
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4380 [17:57:58] <DammitJim> no, no gnome
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4382 [17:58:04] <DammitJim> oh ok, I can see I have ssh-agent
running
4383 [17:58:15] <DammitJim> however, ssh-add says: Could not open
a connection to your authenticdation agent
4384 [17:58:22] <DammitJim> maybe I need to configure it and I
don't remember
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4388 [17:59:34] <RebelCoder> Guys, I have this arm64 debian image
but it is missing these two things: update-rc.d and systemctl. I
need them to add few of my .sh scripts to run-at-boot. Is there a
way to get these services on or is there any other way to make few
of my scripts to run on startup ?
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4402 [18:05:08] <Rembo> hello everyone, if i boot on single mode
it will appear on syslog log file?
4403 [18:05:18] <de-facto> why is firmware-realtek not included in
the netinstall cd? how am i supposed to install vial network without
network firmware?
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4406 [18:06:15] <DammitJim> what does eval `ssh-agent` do?
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4409 [18:06:43] <Juesto> hello
4410 [18:06:47] <FinalX> DammitJim: ssh-agent spits out commands
you'd execute to set environment variables to the agent
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4412 [18:06:58] <Juesto> why would executables be stripped from
initramfs?
4413 [18:07:00] <FinalX> DammitJim: with eval, it executes it for
you
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4416 [18:07:32] <Rembo> did someone shutdown or it simply did
automaticaly shutdown from load or other issues :
replaced-url
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4421 [18:08:31] <Juesto> lsinitramfs -l
/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64 -
replaced-url
4422 [18:08:47] <petn-randall> Rembo: That appears to be a regualr
shutdown.
4423 [18:08:58] <bites> de-facto: because the official debian
installer only includes free software.
4424 [18:09:05] <bites> !firmware images
4425 [18:09:05] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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4429 [18:09:35] <Juesto> ??
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4432 [18:10:12] <ychaouche> hello #debian
4433 [18:10:22] <petn-randall> Juesto: What problem are you trying
to solve? Your question does not make much sense without context.
4434 [18:10:34] <ychaouche> /var/spool/postfix/private is where
all of postfix should reside, right ?
4435 [18:10:43] <ychaouche> postfix sockets
4436 [18:10:54] <Juesto> petn-randall: stuff like fsck are missing
4437 [18:10:59] <Juesto> from the initrd
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4439 [18:11:09] <petn-randall> Juesto: How are you creating the
initramfs?
4440 [18:11:10] <jelly> ychaouche: why do you ask?
4441 [18:11:24] <Juesto> isn't it a default?
4442 [18:11:32] <ychaouche> I'm trying to have opendkim
sockets in there but don't know how for the moment
4443 [18:11:43] <Juesto> petn-randall: update-initramfs -u -k all
i guess
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4449 [18:12:20] <DammitJim> oh
4450 [18:12:25] <DammitJim> thanks FinalX
4451 [18:12:33] <ychaouche> jelly: dovecot can create sockets in
there, but it gives you the configuration tools to use postfix user
and postfix group to create sockets.
4452 [18:12:47] <petn-randall> Juesto: Do you have e2fsprogs
installed?
4453 [18:13:35] <Juesto> petn-randall: it's a ext system,
fsck exists in the installed system
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4455 [18:13:43] <jelly> ychaouche: ah.
4456 [18:13:53] <ychaouche> it would give a sense of uniformity if
I could have all my postfix talking sockets in the same directory.
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4458 [18:14:09] <petn-randall> Juesto: So that's a yes?
4459 [18:14:14] <jelly> mine talk to other services via tcp
4460 [18:14:39] <ychaouche> maybe you have them on different
servers ?
4461 [18:14:43] <petn-randall> Juesto: fsck is shipped in
util-linux, fsck.ext{2,3,4} is shipped in e2fsprogs.
4462 [18:14:45] <Juesto> yes petn-randall ; the problem here is
that's not being included in initramfs
4463 [18:14:51] <jelly> ychaouche: only some :-)
4464 [18:15:05] <ychaouche> Ok.
4465 [18:15:18] <ychaouche> I guess this will be a question for
the opendkim mailing list then
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4467 [18:15:36] <de-facto> are there any proper iso's with
firmware-realtek included? netinstall just wont work without the
firmware, which wont load from usb sticks :(
4468 [18:15:46] <greycat> !firmware images
4469 [18:15:46] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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4471 [18:16:50] <de-facto> how can i fix one of the official
images to be able to have network access during installation?
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4477 [18:17:43] <Juesto> what then
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4484 [18:19:42] <bites> de-facto: as i said before, official
images don't have non-free software on them and never will.
just use the firmware images if you need to.
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4487 [18:20:10] <RoyK> just download the deb files and install
them
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4489 [18:20:14] <RoyK> should work
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4491 [18:20:25] <RoyK> via a pendrive or something
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4495 [18:21:43] <Juesto> I'm having issues, missing utilities
in initramfs
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4497 [18:22:15] <Juesto> keymap, fsck, kmod, resume are empty
hooks/nothing added
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4507 [18:24:48] <de-facto> bites, which firmware images? where can
i find those iso's?
4508 [18:25:06] <bites> !firmware images
4509 [18:25:06] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
4510 [18:25:21] <bites> de-facto: ^
4511 [18:25:56] <de-facto> thanks a lot :)
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4522 [18:29:59] <ychaouche> jelly: fortunately, opendkim has a
UserID configruation option and I can run opendkim as the postfix
user.
4523 [18:30:08] <ychaouche> jelly: inspired by :
replaced-url
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4536 [18:36:38] <petn-randall> Juesto: You need both packages
installed. Also, what is the output of `update-initramfs -k all`?
4537 [18:37:28] <Juesto> petn-randall: nothing interesting only
missing firmware modules
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4571 [18:48:56] <Juesto> petn-randall: those mentioned packages
are indeed installed
4572 [18:49:25] <Juesto> but nothing is added during the
respective hook calls during the generation
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4574 [18:51:05] <petn-randall> Juesto: No idea then
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4576 [18:51:23] <Juesto> someone else?
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4582 [18:53:35] <jhutchins> Juesto: What symptoms are you seeing?
4583 [18:53:59] <Juesto> jhutchins: see the paste of the initramfs
4584 [18:54:47] <Juesto> initrd can't check the root and will
refuse to mount if it's ever damaged
4585 [18:55:07] <Juesto> or any incoherences
4586 [18:55:15] <greycat> wooledg:~$ lsinitramfs
/boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-6-amd64 | grep fsck
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4588 [18:55:19] <greycat> I get three lines of output
4589 [18:55:24] <jhutchins> Juesto: That's just a list of
files. I asked what symptoms were you addressing? What's
happening that you think should not?
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4591 [18:56:24] <Juesto> jhutchins: i just said so, the boot
process would be stuck if the rootfs has any incoherences
4592 [18:56:45] <Juesto> because it wouldn't be able to get
checked nor mounted
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4594 [18:57:10] <Juesto> btrfs stuff gets added but not fsck
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4596 [18:57:54] <t3st3r> Juesto> what exactly you want to do
with fsck on btrfs?
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4598 [18:58:19] <greycat> More to the point, what type of file
system *is* your root fs?
4599 [18:58:35] <Juesto> t3st3r: let initrd ensure the fs is fine?
4600 [18:58:43] <Juesto> rootfs is ext4
4601 [18:58:52] <t3st3r> its fsck is "dummy", and it
generally meant NOT to crash badly on its own...
4602 [18:59:09] <Juesto> it's not being added....
4603 [18:59:33] <Juesto> it should so it's able to verify the
fs before booting
4604 [18:59:57] <t3st3r> There is no real point to add this dummy.
4605 [19:00:03] <Juesto> it's not crashing, it's getting
skipped, t3st3r
4606 [19:00:06] <greycat> His root fs is ext4, not btrfs.
4607 [19:00:13] <greycat> Or so he claims.
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4609 [19:00:19] <jhutchins> Juesto: So nothng's going wrong,
you just don't understand why it doesn't look like you
expect.
4610 [19:00:22] <Juesto> not just the dummy but the e2fs tools
4611 [19:00:40] <Juesto> i don't know why it's adding
btrfs stuff but not fsck
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4613 [19:00:51] <greycat> Juesto: clearly nobody here knows how to
help you and half of the people responding are just making it worse
:(
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4616 [19:00:58] <t3st3r> I just wanted to tell bothering self
about fsck for btrfs <anywhere> is rather pointless. Just
that.
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4618 [19:01:14] <Juesto> oh well
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4620 [19:01:19] <greycat> Juesto: you may have to figure out on
your own exactly what you changed from the regular Debian stable
process that builds initrd images with fsck.ext* tools
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4622 [19:01:45] <Juesto> greycat: nothing, it's the debian
maintained initramfs-tools
4623 [19:01:50] <greycat> Maybe it was something you did when you
introduced btrfs, or maybe now. I have no idea.
4624 [19:01:55] <t3st3r> Btrfs either works and recovers
reasonably on mount/from RAID/etc or one really have to better take
a manual look on totally screwed thing...
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4626 [19:02:05] <greycat> 12:58 Juesto> rootfs is ext4
4627 [19:02:10] <Juesto> i did not introduce btrfs at all, greycat
4628 [19:02:27] <Juesto> for some reason my system is detected as
raid6
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4630 [19:02:39] <Juesto> it's a laptop
4631 [19:02:41] <greycat> Then why did you MENTION btrfs at all?
4632 [19:02:45] <Juesto> and a single disk
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4634 [19:02:57] <Juesto> greycat: because it's mentioned on
the generation
4635 [19:03:04] <Juesto> added instead of fsck
4636 [19:03:16] <greycat> Someone did *something*, even if you
don't remember it.
4637 [19:03:23] <Juesto> not me
4638 [19:03:45] <jhutchins> Juesto: What release are you on??
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4640 [19:04:22] <Juesto> jhutchins: initramfs-tools 0.130
4641 [19:04:32] <greycat> Juesto: what release *of debian*
4642 [19:04:52] <jhutchins> Yes, I should have specified.
4643 [19:04:52] <Juesto> does a Debian fork counts?
4644 [19:04:59] <greycat> *plonk*
4645 [19:05:03] <jhutchins> ,v initramfs
4646 [19:05:05] <judd> No package named 'initramfs' was
found in amd64.
4647 [19:05:13] <jhutchins> ,v initramfs-tools
4648 [19:05:15] <judd> Package: initramfs-tools on amd64 --
wheezy: 0.109.1; wheezy-backports: 0.115~bpo70+1; jessie:
0.120+deb8u3; buster: 0.130; sid: 0.130; stretch: 0.130
4649 [19:05:21] <greycat> Problem solved. Next!
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4652 [19:05:27] <Juesto> lol
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4656 [19:06:17] <Juesto> greycat: no not really solved
4657 [19:06:24] * jhutchins suspects systemd
4658 [19:06:42] <Juesto> what
4659 [19:06:48] <jhutchins> Juesto: Yes, really solved. Install
Debian Stable, "problem" goes away.
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4661 [19:06:52] <greycat> dpkg, blame jhutchins
4662 [19:06:52] * dpkg blames x10 and jhutchins for all the evil in the
world
4663 [19:06:56] <Juesto> ....
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4669 [19:07:26] <jhutchins> !based on debian
4670 [19:07:26] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
4671 [19:07:52] <Juesto> I'm saying that initramfs-tools is
from Debian
4672 [19:08:21] <t3st3r> it is, but it default configuration could
be changed by maintainers hell a lot
4673 [19:08:37] <jhutchins> Juesto: This is EXACTLY the kind of
difference we can't account for or answer.
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4677 [19:09:08] <jhutchins> Juesto: We know that Debian Stable
does not do this, therefore it's the fact that you're not
running Debian Stable that makes the difference.
4678 [19:09:17] <Juesto> jhutchins: it says maintained by Debian
kernel team
4679 [19:09:25] <Juesto> Pfft
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4681 [19:09:35] <Juesto> what a stupid straight out assumption
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4684 [19:09:57] <jhutchins> Juesto: Borne out by years of
experience. Please contact your actual distribution's help
resources.
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4686 [19:10:19] <bitSt0rm> tar command not working?
replaced-url
4687 [19:10:27] <greycat> !doesn't work
4688 [19:10:27] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague
statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it
procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for
change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it
isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without
needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error
message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco>
and <errors>.
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4691 [19:12:01] <bitSt0rm> Sorry - When I use the command tar
-xvzf on file.tar.gz i get an error: tar: -xvzf: Cannot open: No
such file or directory
4692 [19:12:02] <bitSt0rm> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting
nowtar: -xvzf: Cannot open: No such file or directory
4693 [19:12:04] <bitSt0rm> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting
nowYes
4694 [19:12:25] <brw> tar definitely sits on the couch all day
long.
4695 [19:12:36] <greycat> bitSt0rm: you must have typed something
like "tar -f -xvzf" or else you made a tar
alias/function/script that's overriding /usr/bin/tatr
4696 [19:12:52] <bitSt0rm> Hmm
4697 [19:13:05] <jhutchins> bitSt0rm: Try the full path to the
file.
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4699 [19:13:21] <Juesto> so narrow minded......
4700 [19:13:24] <Juesto> bad support
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4703 [19:13:36] <greycat> I'm ... going to consider
attempting to open his URL. If I don't come back, please send
the search dogs.
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4705 [19:13:52] <greycat> ...
4706 [19:13:56] <jhutchins> Juesto: If you can reproduce it in
Debian Stable we'll be glad to help.
4707 [19:14:05] <bitSt0rm> greycat - I made an alias and
didn't reload my shell. It works now! ^^
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4709 [19:14:08] <greycat> ... it's not text. It is some kind
of image. Helping mode disabled.
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4713 [19:14:26] <bitSt0rm> *Didn't reload when I disabled it
again
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4717 [19:15:18] <Juesto> it's a screenshot of the issue
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4730 [19:22:21] <birdbolt1> hallo hallo
4731 [19:22:28] <birdbolt1> i seek a good text editor
4732 [19:22:41] <birdbolt1> I installed sublime via snap and it
was too tiny on the screen
4733 [19:22:54] <birdbolt1> Resizing it didnt work as it reverted
after 3 secs or so
4734 [19:22:59] <Juesto> birdbolt1: apt serch text editor
4735 [19:23:00] <greycat> da FUCK is snap and why do people keep
mentioning it here
4736 [19:23:11] <birdbolt1> greycat, do u play UT?
4737 [19:23:16] <birdbolt1> i know someoen with that username
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4739 [19:23:22] <greycat> I do not.
4740 [19:23:43] <birdbolt1> snap apparently is something of a
project; they build linux programs in a way that it runs on all
linux
4741 [19:23:58] <birdbolt1> Thats the best i know. very welcome
project
4742 [19:24:05] <greycat> Good thing I wasn't drinking
anything when you wrote that.
4743 [19:24:09] <Juesto> birdbolt1: please don't come here
for stuff not from debian. you can adjust the DPI of your DE, check
sublime's config. please don't use unsupported ports.
4744 [19:24:13] <birdbolt1> no more of this packaging left and
right, stuff being available in one system and not the other
4745 [19:24:37] <birdbolt1> Juesto, got it
4746 [19:24:38] <Juesto> sure, it's completely unsupported
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4771 [19:33:38] <de-facto> so i have got a Ricoh MP 3054
Copier/Scanner/network printer for which i want to configure cups:
which driver would have the full functionality?
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4775 [19:34:27] <user03> hi, maybe someone can help me? lxc-create
--name vm1 --logfile $HOME/lxc_vm1.log --logpriority DEBUG -t
download Setting up the GPG keyring ERROR: Unable to fetch GPG key
from keyserver. lxc-create: lxccontainer.c: create_run_template:
1297 container creation template for vm1 failed
4776 [19:34:43] <Juesto> de-facto: search for the one for your
model or series, good luck with codenames
4777 [19:36:35] <de-facto> they supply PS/PCL files for
"UNIX" on their page:
replaced-url
4778 [19:36:55] <de-facto> would i use those or are there any
debian packages containing such files?
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4787 [19:41:46] <nekoseam> Good morning #debian
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4791 [19:45:14] <de-facto> the pc got two realtek network
nic's: how do i configure one of them to get an ip via dhcp and
the other to run an dhcp server? can i do that in
/etc/network/interfaces?
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4793 [19:45:34] <de-facto> and how do i get proper network names
(eth0, eth1 and such)?
4794 [19:45:46] <greycat>
replaced-url
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4797 [19:47:46] <Juesto> oh yeah I'm using Debian testing
4798 [19:48:03] <Juesto> greycat, jhutchins ^
4799 [19:48:08] <Stanley678> I've installed VirtualBox and
running a LinuxLite OS on it. But its slow AF. basically unusable.
why is that ?
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4805 [19:50:23] <de-facto> so how would i bring up the second
network interface which does not show via "ifconfig"?
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4807 [19:50:49] <Juesto> Stanley678: blame virtualbox, this also
doesn't belong here. virtualbox lacks acceleration out of box
and you should install the guest additions which can end up being
problematic. vmware can do hardware acceleration ootb with a option
4808 [19:50:53] <Juesto> setting*
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4811 [19:51:28] <Stanley678> Juesto: vmware now requires modern
cpu's :/
4812 [19:51:50] <greycat>
replaced-url
4813 [19:52:27] <Juesto> Stanley678: you can use a old version,
good luck
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4815 [19:52:56] <greycat> wish they had shown the "ip
link" command. oh well.
4816 [19:52:56] <Stanley678> ok i will try that
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4818 [19:53:47] <Juesto> and you're on your own, Stanley678.
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4821 [19:54:57] <de-facto> During installation it showed both
ethernet nics, now only one of them seems available. how can i
activate the other?
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4823 [19:55:07] <greycat> do they both appear in "ip
link"?
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4827 [19:56:15] <de-facto> yes
4828 [19:56:37] <greycat> Then you should be able to put the
non-UP one into the dhcpd conf file.
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4830 [19:57:33] <de-facto> i have "enp2s0" as uplink to
the internet (should get its ip via DHCP) and the "enp4s0"
should run a DHCP daemon itself to give the Ricoh printer its ip
address
4831 [19:57:43] <greycat> sounds reasonable
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4835 [19:58:11] <de-facto> greycat, do i configure those options
in /etc/network/interfaces?
4836 [19:58:17] <greycat> You don't.
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4838 [19:58:27] <greycat> Well, I mean, the enp2s0 one, you do.
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4844 [19:59:05] <tom> .
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4846 [19:59:08] <greycat> "auto enp2s0" and "iface
enp2s0 inet dhcp"
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4850 [19:59:55] <Juesto> you can revert the naming convention for
the network interfaces if you wish, de-facto
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4852 [20:00:55] <de-facto> Juesto, i would like, yet in my case
its essential the names always refer to the same physical connectors
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4855 [20:01:14] <Logitech> Just discovered DebianDog. I love it!
Where has this been my whole life? or rather, where have I been?
4856 [20:01:22] <Guest35862> How can i protect SSH with Two Factor
Authentication, preferably via RFC 6238, WITHOUT having to trust a
third part like Google
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4858 [20:01:53] <Guest35862> Virtually every SSH 2FA guide i read
specifies installing a pam module for Google Authenticator.
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4860 [20:02:05] <Guest35862> Which makes connections to Google
servers
4861 [20:02:16] <Guest35862> The thing is, What if you don't
trust Google?
4862 [20:02:32] <Juesto> Guest35862: you can use any authenticator
4863 [20:02:44] <Juesto> it's compatible with google iirc
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4865 [20:02:51] <de-facto> greycat, and the dhcpd one? no
mentioning in /etc/network/interfaces i guess and some dhcp server
software? isc? which one is the default?
4866 [20:02:54] <Guest35862> True, but the server side makes
connection to google.com
4867 [20:03:02] <Juesto> don't use Google 2fa/services?
4868 [20:03:10] <greycat> de-facto: did the tutorial that I found
in 3 seconds with Google not work?
4869 [20:03:20] <DammitJim> why does Debian freak out when a mount
that is specified in /etc/fstab isn't there?
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4871 [20:03:30] <greycat> Because you didn't tell it not to.
4872 [20:03:39] <DammitJim> what is the proper way to let Debian
mount a drive only if it's there and move on if it isn't?
4873 [20:03:46] <greycat> All the file systems mentioned in fstab
are considered essential to basic system operation unless you mark
them as optional.
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4875 [20:04:12] <greycat> DammitJim: man fstab -> nofail
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4877 [20:04:29] <DammitJim> nofail is the key!
4878 [20:04:33] <de-facto> greycat, oh thanks, i did oversee that
before
4879 [20:04:35] <DammitJim> thank you
4880 [20:04:45] <Guest35862> yes, Google is the issue. I
don't want my servers making connection to google
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4882 [20:05:47] <DammitJim> oh, how weird!
4883 [20:05:52] <DammitJim> the drive was connected
4884 [20:05:59] <DammitJim> but for some reason Debian wasn't
seeing it
4885 [20:06:04] <Juesto> Guest35862: Then block google.
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4887 [20:06:11] <Juesto> in your network
4888 [20:06:17] <petn-randall> Guest35862: That RFC does not
specify that Google must authenticate. Choose any other service, or
set up your own.
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4890 [20:06:47] <Guest35862> petn-randall, do you know of any
other 2fa pam authentication library not google?
4891 [20:06:52] <petn-randall> Guest35862: Personally, just
disable password auth and use SSH keys.
4892 [20:07:01] <Guest35862> eg, authenticator.so not
google-authenticator.so
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4894 [20:07:19] <greycat> This is sounding like "I want to
use two-factor authentication because I read about it once and it
sounds nifty"
4895 [20:07:57] <Guest35862> greycat, well that's not how it
is. I already use 2fa with an offline device. i just would like to
use it for ssh as well
4896 [20:07:59] <DammitJim> everyone is talking about 2 factor
these days
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4898 [20:08:02] <petn-randall> Guest35862: It's just the name
of the app. You can set it up to authenticate against any other
server, even your own.
4899 [20:08:05] <greycat> "So, what is the other factor you
were planning to use?" "What, you mean I have to PICK
something?!?"
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4901 [20:08:37] <Guest35862> greycat, your not adding anything to
the conversation by insulting me
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4903 [20:09:00] <petn-randall> greycat: Well, Apple recently
introduced 2FA to their root user. Now you need to know the username
*and* the password. :P
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4905 [20:10:00] <Juesto> lol
4906 [20:10:06] <Juesto> 2fa for root
4907 [20:10:08] <Juesto> lmao
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4909 [20:11:00] <Juesto> speaking of that I'm not able to
authenticate as root via loginwindow nor admin elevation dialogs
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4911 [20:11:24] <Guest35862> the problem i have the the
google-authenticator library is that when generating the private
key, it links to a google.com/ of a qr code of your key
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4913 [20:11:35] <nekoseam> test1
4914 [20:11:42] <Guest35862> Google has no business knowing my
private key
4915 [20:11:44] <petn-randall> nekoseam: Test failed.
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4917 [20:11:47] <nekoseam> umode +R
4918 [20:11:50] <nekoseam> shoot
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4920 [20:11:56] <Guest35862>
replaced-url
4921 [20:12:03] <nekoseam> perhaps I need to get to bed
4922 [20:12:56] <Juesto> nice redirect link
4923 [20:13:22] <nekoseam> I've never heard of staticflickr
4924 [20:13:34] <Guest35862> i am aware that i can just type the
private key into any RFC compliant 2fa device and have that work,
but the server side is the sketchy part
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4926 [20:13:41] <Juesto> it's probably flickr server
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4928 [20:14:10] <Juesto> Guest35862: your key is protected because
the server only has the public portion
4929 [20:14:27] <Guest35862>
replaced-url
4930 [20:14:47] <nekoseam> dude what are those links
4931 [20:15:14] <Guest35862> you guys didn't like the long
redirect link so here is a static link to the file
4932 [20:15:17] <Juesto> nekoseam: aren't those
images/screenshots, can't you notice?
4933 [20:15:30] <nekoseam> Yeah but from weird sites
4934 [20:15:47] <Guest35862> define weird site
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4937 [20:17:24] <Juesto> Guest35862: sites that look sketchy,
awkward, rare, odd
4938 [20:17:34] <Juesto> telling from the url
4939 [20:17:44] <Guest35862> how tho
4940 [20:17:55] <jelly> your domain name is weird!
4941 [20:18:02] <Juesto> lol
4942 [20:18:06] <jelly> weeeeeiiiiird
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4944 [20:18:35] <Guest35862> it's just a name. weird is
subjective i guess
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4947 [20:19:07] <Guest35862> the site's called 'The Null
Pointer' so the domain name is fitting in my opinion
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4949 [20:19:27] <bites> now it's less weird.
4950 [20:19:42] <bitSt0rm> Thats 0x3419
4951 [20:19:50] <will_> i've downloaded sublime that runs out
of a folder. is there a way to get it in /bin OR SOMETHING
4952 [20:20:24] <Guest35862> will_, copy the binary to
/usr/local/bin/
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4954 [20:20:25] <bites> or somethink in your path? symlink in
/usr/local/bin/
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4956 [20:20:31] <greycat> will_: what happens if you make a
symlink from /usr/local/bin/sublime to
/your/directory/not/a/folder/dammit/bin/sublime
4957 [20:20:48] <will_> hmm i didnt think of that
4958 [20:20:49] <will_> ill try
4959 [20:21:09] <bites> you know an answer is good if you get it
thrice, lol.
4960 [20:21:16] <Guest35862> greycat, you may have issues if you
use filesystem mount option hardening, but otherwise it should work
i guess
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4963 [20:22:06] <Guest35862> you can also duct tape your license
plat to your car. It would work but you probably should it do
cleaner
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4966 [20:23:33] <M_aD> maxdawid: stop spamming in other channels
about joining the debian channel, thanks in advance
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4973 [20:26:44] <rant> anyone offhand know of a plugin or
something for chromium that can no load or derender a particular ad
source.. its poping up a square add over top of content with no way
to get at the content behind it
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4975 [20:27:20] <Guest35862> will_, if copying the binary to
/usr/local/bin/ will not work for whatever reason, maybe it's
Dependant on files being in the same dir as the executable, you
could add the downloaded folder to your $PATH
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4978 [20:27:50] <jelly> rant: like, uBlock Origin, whitelist
everything except that one particular ad provider?
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4981 [20:28:07] <will_> update-alternatives --set editor
/bin/sublime-text
4982 [20:28:07] <will_> update-alternatives: error: alternative
/bin/sublime-text for editor not registered; not setting
4983 [20:28:10] <Guest35862> you can do that by adding export
PATH="$PATH:/home/youruser/Downloads/sublime" to your
.bashrc
4984 [20:28:12] <will_> my plan didnt succeed :(
4985 [20:28:25] <greycat> First of all, use /usr/local/bin and not
/bin.
4986 [20:28:35] <greycat> Second, manually set the symlink in
/etc/alternatives/ if that's what you really want.
4987 [20:28:49] <will_> I thought /bin would make it global
4988 [20:28:50] <will_> for all usuers
4989 [20:28:57] <greycat> Third, set the VISUAL and EDITOR
environment variables in your own login session/profile so you
don't have to worry about alternatives.
4990 [20:29:08] <greycat> /bin is reserved for Debian;
/usr/local/bin is reserved for you
4991 [20:29:09] <Guest35862> will_, /bin is for basic system
binaries like ls, cat, dd
4992 [20:29:14] <greycat> both are in the default PATH for all
users
4993 [20:29:15] <will_> ohh
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4995 [20:29:44] <Guest35862> you can see your current set $PATH by
$echo $PATH
4996 [20:29:52] <will_> in /etc/alternatives/, am I symlinking to
the sublime binary?
4997 [20:29:57] <Guest35862> yes
4998 [20:30:06] <greycat> Where does it link right now?
4999 [20:30:18] <will_> to /bin/sublime-text
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5001 [20:30:20] <will_> gonne delete that
5002 [20:30:23] <Guest35862> greycat, $cat $EDITOR
5003 [20:30:32] <greycat> I thought you said your
update-alternatives didn't work.
5004 [20:30:48] <will_> it did not
5005 [20:30:58] <greycat> But /etc/alternatives/editor was
actually changed...?
5006 [20:30:58] <will_> i manually added the symlink in /bin
5007 [20:31:04] <will_> oh noooo
5008 [20:31:06] <will_> it wasnt
5009 [20:31:34] <will_> created a symlink in /bin, then tried
update-alternatives using that symlink
5010 [20:31:46] <will_> and it didnt work, saying it wasnt
egistered. not sure what that mean
5011 [20:31:49] <greycat> update-alternatives is only for Debian
packages
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5013 [20:32:10] <will_> aah so only stuiff that came from apt
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5015 [20:32:44] <will_> does this mean there is no where to make
`editor $args` launch a binary of my choosing
5016 [20:32:50] <will_> no way*+
5017 [20:33:02] <greycat> 14:28 greycat> Second, manually set
the symlink in /etc/alternatives/ if that's what you really
want.
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5019 [20:33:20] <will_> whops missed that trying now
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5027 [20:34:38] <will_> lol what did i do wrong again
5028 [20:34:39] <will_> update-alternatives --set editor
/etc/alternatives/sublime-textupdate-alternatives: error:
alternative /etc/alternatives/sublime-text for editor not
registered; not setting
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5030 [20:35:03] <greycat> MANUALLY
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5033 [20:35:11] <greycat> ln -sf
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5035 [20:35:33] <will_> very highly upvoted on SO
5036 [20:35:34] <will_> update-alternatives --set editor
/etc/alternatives/sublime-textupdate-alternatives: error:
alternative /etc/alternatives/sublime-text for editor not
registered; not setting
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5038 [20:35:39] <will_> ugh sorry
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5041 [20:36:14] <will_> To create or update a symlink:
5042 [20:36:14] <will_> ln -sf /path/to/file /path/to/symlink
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5044 [20:36:24] <jelly> if you want to use alternatives you have
to register one first. This is typically done in installation
scripts if the package maintainer is sane
5045 [20:36:25] <will_> What do you mean by "manual"
5046 [20:36:34] <greycat> 14:35 greycat> MANUALLY
5047 [20:36:35] <greycat> 14:35 greycat> ln -sf
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5050 [20:36:52] <will_> yes yes i get it "manually" but
im trying to learn as well
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5052 [20:37:02] <will_> whats difference ebtween -s and -sf
5053 [20:37:02] <greycat> jelly: he's not using a package
5054 [20:37:06] <greycat> will_: man ln
5055 [20:37:06] <will_> what makes -sf "manual"
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5058 [20:37:22] <greycat> will_: It's the "ln" part
that is manual, versus update-alternatives which is
"automatic".
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5063 [20:38:06] <jelly> grep
'update-alternatives.*editor' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*
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5065 [20:38:13] <ox16p> szukam polskich sponsorów
5066 [20:38:23] <jelly> update-alternatives --install
/usr/bin/editor editor /usr/bin/joe 70
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5068 [20:39:07] <greycat> jelly: It's been 20 minutes and
he's still struggling with "ln -sf"
5069 [20:39:08] <jelly> ox16p: maybe ask in #debian-mentors on
irc.oftc.net
5070 [20:39:20] <rant> jelly: thanks that works nicely
5071 [20:39:27] <jelly> greycat: hey, at least noone's
judging my choice in editors
5072 [20:39:41] <ox16p> jelly: ok, thx
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5076 [20:40:29] <jelly> will_: running ln manually makes its
running manual
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5090 [20:43:50] <will_> this is where the symlink lives now
5091 [20:43:51] <will_> To create or update a symlink:
5092 [20:43:51] <will_> ln -sf /path/to/file /path/to/symlink
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5096 [20:44:16] <jelly> will_: do not mess with alternatives
manually, tho
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5104 [20:44:29] <will_> lol lots of conflicting directives here
haha
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5106 [20:44:38] <greycat> jelly: seriously, you think he's
going to be able to grok that "registering an alternative"
nonsense?
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5110 [20:44:52] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
5111 [20:44:57] <will_> my end goal is to be able to have `editor
$args` working with sublime
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5113 [20:45:03] <will_> instead of the limited nano
5114 [20:45:11] <greycat> ln -sf /usr/local/bin/sublime
/etc/alternatives/sublime
5115 [20:45:17] <greycat> ln -sf /usr/local/bin/sublime
/etc/alternatives/editor
5116 [20:45:30] <greycat> forget the first one
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5118 [20:45:50] <jelly> I think that breaks any further
update-alternatives --config editor
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5121 [20:45:58] <greycat> I think he won't care
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5125 [20:46:00] <jelly> but have any actually checked
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5127 [20:46:06] <jelly> not* checked
5128 [20:46:06] <will_> ugh i just saw my last couple of responses
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5130 [20:46:11] <will_> pasted the wrong stuff again
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5132 [20:46:32] <will_> the symlink is currently here
/etc/alternatives/sublime-text
5133 [20:46:38] <greycat> *fuck*
5134 [20:46:41] <greycat> ln -sf /usr/local/bin/sublime
/etc/alternatives/editor
5135 [20:46:42] <will_> so i remove that?
5136 [20:46:47] <greycat> *plonk*
5137 [20:46:52] <greycat> I am DONE with this shit.
5138 [20:46:54] <will_> lmao
5139 [20:47:43] <Juesto> registering alternative > manually
symlinking
5140 [20:47:57] <phogg> registering alternatives is not very hard
5141 [20:48:13] <greycat> phogg: we spent 30 minutes trying to get
him to make one. fucking. symlink.
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5144 [20:48:44] <phogg> greycat: Okay. Registering alternatives
*should not be* very hard for anyone of ordinary skill.
5145 [20:49:07] <will_> okay okay
5146 [20:49:10] <will_> clean slate
5147 [20:49:14] <will_> when does the symlink go
5148 [20:49:17] <will_> where
5149 [20:49:32] <Juesto> same location i assume
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5263 [20:53:11] <nekoseam> uhh
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5266 [20:53:16] <nekoseam> test can anyone see this
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5274 [20:53:31] <bites> is there anybody out there?
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5276 [20:53:35] <nekoseam> yes
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5278 [20:53:36] <nekoseam> hi
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5282 [20:53:44] <babilen> You guys need help?
5283 [20:53:45] <han-solo> YES, YOU ARE UNDER THE UMBRELLA CO. NOW
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5285 [20:53:54] <han-solo> :}
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5287 [20:53:57] <Juesto> a netsplit just happened don't freak
out
5288 [20:54:06] <nekoseam> What's a good colorful icon set
that's in Debian's repository
5289 [20:54:15] <nekoseam> I was spooked because I just restarted
my router
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5302 [20:56:17] <Resilience> I was in the middle of a sudo apt-get
dist-upgrade and I pushed ctrl-C and got this message: "W:
Operation was interrupted before it could finish", wat can I do
to make the dist-upgrading end?
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5305 [20:56:37] <greycat> Just run it again.
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5309 [20:58:05] <Resilience> greycat, it was no downloading, it
was processig triggers for menu... doe snot matter? I have ran it
again and it says it has nothing to do
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5344 [21:01:33] <hanasaki> how do you do basic auth with wget?
tried --user= and password= however no work. postman works fine with
the header manually added
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5346 [21:01:52] <jelly> hanasaki:
replaced-url
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5355 [21:03:17] <jelly> hanasaki: if you have @ or : in either,
urlencode them (@ = %%40)
5356 [21:03:21] <jelly> er, %40
5357 [21:04:05] <chisight> i'm experiencing some frustration
with debian. :-( a default gnome install of stretch with classic
taskbar and have multiple monitors. i often lose the mouse cursor
and just wiggle it to find it. when i do, the activities overview
often occurs. is there an easy way to stop activities overview from
ever activating (ever!!)?
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5359 [21:04:24] <kline> is
replaced-url
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5363 [21:08:15] <karlpinc> I booted with an installer and shrunk
the root file system. After that the bootloader complained that it
could not find something, I forget what. So I tried booting with the
installer and mounting the root fs and chrooting into the mount. But
running "install-grub" there gets me a bus error. If I try
using the "install bootloader" menu item in the installer
it tells me I have to install the base system first. But I
don't want to do
5364 [21:08:15] <karlpinc> that because it will overwrite my root
fs -- right? What's the way forward and what is this "bus
error" stuff about. (uname -a also gets me a bus error when run
from within the chroot.)
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5366 [21:08:26] <babilen> judd: v
browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
5367 [21:08:27] <judd> Package:
browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 --
jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib:
0.3.5-1+b1; buster/contrib: 0.3.5-1+b3; sid/contrib: 0.3.5-1+b3
5368 [21:08:32] <babilen> kline: ^
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5372 [21:09:59] <kline> babilen, the wiki indicates i need this as
well as the pepperflash-nonfree package - do i only need the one in
fact?
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5389 [21:15:23] <kline> babilen, yeah, even after installing that
package, chromium still doesnt appear to be able to display flash
files, offering them as a download instead
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5418 [21:32:37] <nymb242> Hello
5419 [21:32:42] <nymb242> anyone around?
5420 [21:32:46] <kline> sure
5421 [21:33:10] <nymb242> I'm looking to set up a desktop on
a dedicated server with debian 9
5422 [21:33:13] <mnuhmnuh> ping
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5424 [21:33:35] <nymb242> but I have ZERO linux knowledge. :/
5425 [21:33:40] <karlpinc> nymb242: So what is your question?
5426 [21:33:51] <greycat> I don't understand
"desktop" + "dedicated server".
5427 [21:34:03] <mnuhmnuh> nymb242: details! :-)
5428 [21:34:06] <greycat> Is it a server, or is it a desktop
machine?
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5430 [21:34:29] <nymb242> ultimately, that would be the question:
how do I set up a desktop environment in debian 9?
5431 [21:34:31] <karlpinc> More importantly, is it physical and
sitting in front of you?
5432 [21:34:32] <nymb242> it's a server
5433 [21:34:44] <mnuhmnuh> greycat: desktop env. running on a
server box.
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5437 [21:35:05] <greycat> You set up a desktop environment on your
personal desktop or laptop machine by selecting one and then running
some "apt install" command.
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5439 [21:35:13] <greycat> mnuhmnuh: nonsense.
5440 [21:35:27] <greycat> Why would you put a desktop environment
on a server? It'll never be used.
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5442 [21:35:52] <karlpinc> nymb242: Best plan: go to debian.org
and read the installation instructions. You will probably be best
served by using the unoffical installer with non-free firmware
included.
5443 [21:35:59] <mnuhmnuh> greycat: kids think command lines are
hard.
5444 [21:36:12] <greycat> Then they shouldn't be setting up
servers.
5445 [21:36:49] <kline> greycat, you can just vnc in or such
5446 [21:36:53] <nymb242> let's put it this way, I have a
dedicated server. I have had one for many years with windows server
2003 installed. In fact I'm using irc on it now. But at 20
extra euros per month, I'm looking to see what I can do with
linux.
5447 [21:36:57] <kline> a remote desktop on a server would be nice
5448 [21:37:03] <phogg> kline: what for?
5449 [21:37:08] <greycat> I completely disagree.
5450 [21:37:10] <karlpinc> nymb242:
replaced-url
5451 [21:37:14] <nymb242> yes, and I am accessing it via remote
server
5452 [21:37:19] <phogg> if you need to run a GUI program on a
server just forward X over ssh
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5454 [21:37:23] <kline> but a cheapo chromebook at now you have a
cheap, easily replaceable terminal with decent power because it all
happens elsewhere
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5456 [21:37:31] <kline> s/but/buy
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5459 [21:37:51] <phogg> kline: If its a server whose *purpose* is
to "serve desktops" then it's okay.
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5461 [21:38:00] <karlpinc> nymb242: You plan to have only linux on
this box or is it going to dual-boot?
5462 [21:38:07] <greycat> But then it would be a server in your
HOUSE, not on the Cloud.
5463 [21:38:07] <nymb242> the computer I am connecting to is on
the other side of the world.
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5466 [21:38:46] <karlpinc> nymb242: So you need to install on a
box which is not sitting in front of you, right?
5467 [21:38:52] <nymb242> yes
5468 [21:39:09] <nymb242> I have connected to it via putty
5469 [21:39:26] <karlpinc> nymb242: And the box has a public IP
address, right?
5470 [21:39:31] <greycat> Here's an idea: learn how a NORMAL
Linux system works first (Desktop machine with the Desktop
Environment actually installed on it, and server with ssh access
only, the way $DEITY intended).
5471 [21:39:50] <michael2> hi, does anyone know how to list all
the currently installed packages from non-free section?
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5473 [21:39:53] <nymb242> so far I have managed to update debian
and install gnome
5474 [21:39:58] <coruja> greycat, +1
5475 [21:39:58] <greycat> THEN you can worry about fancy shit like
"I run my DE from a Cloud box because my government gives me
free internet that is faster than the entire USA"
5476 [21:40:26] <isnice> michael2: dpkg-query -W
-f='${Section}\t${Package}\n' | sort | egrep
^contrib\|^non-free
5477 [21:40:32] <karlpinc> nymb242: Wait, I thought you said you
wanted to install. It sounds like you already have the OS installed.
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5479 [21:41:01] <nymb242> I *wish* I had the time to properly
learn linux. But the reality is I don't. Maybe some day.
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5481 [21:41:38] <isnice> michael2: that will show contrib and
non-free
5482 [21:41:39] <karlpinc> isnice: There's probably a simpler
way to do it with aptitude, but I don't know it offhand.
5483 [21:41:52] <isnice> karlpinc: you can also install vrms
5484 [21:42:03] * mnuhmnuh greycat: you're more curmudgeonly than
me. high praise! :-|
5485 [21:42:09] <karlpinc> isnice: :)
5486 [21:42:15] <phogg> nymb242: you do have time, you just have
to make it a priority
5487 [21:42:35] <karlpinc> nymb242: I'm still not sure what
your question is.
5488 [21:42:36] <michael2> isnice: thanks, Ill give it a try
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5490 [21:43:03] <nymb242> debian is already installed, and I think
I installed gnome. Not sure what to do next.
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5493 [21:43:20] <greycat> Turn the computer on. Login with your
username and password.
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5497 [21:43:57] <coruja> nymb242, try to accept that in the linux
world servers are intended not to run a desktop, that's what
workstations at home or office are for (but which you can override
ofc)
5498 [21:44:33] <coruja> (... you actually did) ;)
5499 [21:44:39] <phogg> "intended" is not the right word
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5503 [21:45:36] <coruja> feel free to suggest a better one
5504 [21:45:40] <karlpinc> nymb242: So, you want access to a GUI
desktop from a remote location, right?
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5506 [21:45:51] <greycat> *shudder*
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5508 [21:46:01] <phogg> You have a giant box of components out of
which you can compose just about anything you want just about any
way you want. It's *expected* that you won't choose to put
a DE on a headless box and it's *unusual* to do so. If you want
to, go ahead. You might not find a lot of people who are familiar
with composing components in a way that makes that work, though.
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5512 [21:46:45] <phogg> The *intent* is that you should take the
components and go build something glorious. That's about all.
5513 [21:46:57] <greycat> It's also slow and wasteful in an
environment where bandwidth between your physically-colocated
("desktop") box and the server is expensive, slow, or
capped, or all of the above.
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5515 [21:47:41] <phogg> greycat: Being sensible was never a
requirement.
5516 [21:48:31] <mnuhmnuh> coruja: servers do stuff; big data
tractor stuff: networked data storage, networked server process
(mail, web, database, ...). enhanced / fast hardware installed.
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5518 [21:49:16] <nymb242> karlpinc: yes (sorry, had a to step a
way for a sec)
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5520 [21:49:22] <coruja> mnuhmnuh, i know ;)
5521 [21:50:55] <coruja> one more reason not to waste precious
resources for running a desktop ;)
5522 [21:50:57] <karlpinc> nymb242: You want to look at vncviewer
(vnc) or just using X remotely. The former is simpler, but I think
you're expected to have a deskop up and running at the remote
end. But wait.. How about "ssh -X me@remote.example.com
startx". I think that should work.
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5525 [21:51:49] <mnuhmnuh> ... and they're just as
potentially destructive when they break. they can do a lot of
damage, quickly.
5526 [21:52:01] <nymb242> I do have NX client installed on my
local computer
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5531 [21:53:30] <nymb242> that might be what I need to
install/configure on the server, is X
5532 [21:53:52] <greycat> I still strongly disapprove of this
course.
5533 [21:54:09] <karlpinc> nymb242: That's an option too, but
I've never managed to get it to work. I'd see what
"startx" does. Maybe "ssh -X me@remote.example.com
'startx -- gdm'"?
5534 [21:54:10] <Juesto> i strongly recommend RealVNC 5.2.3
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5537 [21:54:48] <Juesto> you can get Xorg to work on a headless
server with some complicated configuration
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5539 [21:54:59] <Juesto> but the easiest way is using Xvnc
5540 [21:55:14] <Juesto> real's version is by far the best
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5542 [21:55:47] <karlpinc> nymb242: X should be installed if you
installed gnome. I'm pretty sure. If not install the xorg
package.
5543 [21:56:20] <greycat> There are like 4 different ways to
install (various subsets/supersets of) GNOME, some of which may not
bring in the xorg stuff.
5544 [21:56:26] <nymb242> Yeah, I read something about changing
xorg to xvnc, but got errors when trying to do it.
5545 [21:56:27] <de-facto> how can i get proper error messages
from "isc-dhcp-server"? all i get is "Starting ISC
DHCPv4 server: dhcpdcheck syslog for diagnostics. ... failed!"
which does not say much...
5546 [21:56:34] <Juesto> karlpinc: startx starts the default
session. xinit needs session to be defined or it fallsback to a
xterm, the actual server is Xorg, Xvnc, Xvfb depending on what you
use,
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5550 [21:57:12] <Juesto> nymb242: it's complicated, you need
to have Xvnc installed from a vnc server software that provides it
5551 [21:57:17] <karlpinc> de-facto: Have you looked at the
syslog? That'd be easiest
5552 [21:57:31] <greycat> de-facto: look in /var/log/syslog, or in
journalctl -u isc-dhcp-server
5553 [21:57:40] <nymb242> hah, I have an old version of vnc in my
install folders. Version 4.1.3. :)
5554 [21:57:47] <nymb242> I'll get the latest version..
5555 [21:57:47] <mnuhmnuh> de-facto: "check syslog for
diagnostics" - try "journalctl -b 0"
5556 [21:58:02] <karlpinc> de-facto: And if you don't want to
_keep_ looking then "tail -f" is your friend.
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5562 [21:59:10] <de-facto> actually it seems the interface does
not have an ip yet "No subnet declaration for enp4s0 (no IPv4
addresses)." do i have to configure a manual static ip for it
in /etc/network/interfaces?
5563 [21:59:19] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: xvnc is a module that runs
within X.
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5565 [21:59:35] <jhutchins_wk> Why are we running a remote GUI?
5566 [21:59:43] <jhutchins_wk> (I missed the original.)
5567 [21:59:48] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: something something
"I'm a windows user" something
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5571 [22:00:13] <jhutchins_wk> Mrmph.
5572 [22:00:34] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: You can't manage a
server with a GUI alone, you have to get into the text interface
anyway.
5573 [22:00:35] <greycat> Apparently windows users think that
servers are supposed to have a GUI installed and that you're
somehow magically supposed to "remote desktop" to the
server's GUI from your PC.
5574 [22:00:57] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I've seen that
synrdome. Oracle actively encourages it.
5575 [22:01:07] <greycat> Oracle is fucking Satan.
5576 [22:01:39] <mnuhmnuh> de-facto:
replaced-url
5577 [22:01:50] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: You can run graphical
programs on a remote server and forward the GUI to your local
system. Forwarding the entire desktop is never going to perform
well.
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5579 [22:02:37] <mnuhmnuh> nymb242: this ^^^
5580 [22:02:46] <isnice> nymb242: if you want to play around with
and learn linux, why not just set up a VM in your current
environment'
5581 [22:03:04] <Juesto> Xvnc < Xproto
5582 [22:03:08] <Juesto> oops
5583 [22:03:21] <Juesto> Xvnc > Xorg forwarding
5584 [22:03:30] <de-facto> mnuhmnuh, there is no dhcp server other
than the one i currently configure for this interface
5585 [22:04:12] <mnuhmnuh> de-facto: my dhcp server's my
cable router.
5586 [22:04:16] <Juesto> Xvnc is a Xorg server with vnc builtin
5587 [22:04:23] <de-facto> cool
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5591 [22:05:21] <mnuhmnuh> desktop tower, always cat5 connected to
router.
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5600 [22:08:19] <karlpinc> I am using a UEFI box. Is there any
reason not to install grub into the drive's MBA? (As opposed
to, say, at the beginning of the root fs's partition.)
5601 [22:08:34] <karlpinc> (single boot, etc. Just Debian.)
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5604 [22:10:03] <marco_> Hi, I need some help with my debian
stretch installation which is frozen already twice
5605 [22:10:28] <mnuhmnuh> karlpinc: yes, go uefi boot.
5606 [22:11:12] <mnuhmnuh> er, what you said.
5607 [22:11:15] <marco_> mouse is working but the desktop is dead,
it 's also not possible to open a terminal
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5609 [22:11:24] <nymb242> jhutchins_wk: yeah, if I can do that it
would be fine. I have no idea how, though.
5610 [22:11:29] <karlpinc> mnuhmnuh: ? Yes, install in /dev/sda
directly?
5611 [22:11:31] <skizzy> +
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5613 [22:12:01] <mnuhmnuh> yup.
5614 [22:12:24] <skizzy> do you guys know of a way to capture
keystrokes in wine using C or Python? I want to capture keystrokes
from wine on one machine and send over a network to run a macro that
controls wine on another
5615 [22:12:27] <mnuhmnuh> KISS. :-)
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5618 [22:13:03] <skizzy> I am using python-virtkeys i think itś
called and the keystrokes go to wine fine as long as i have that
window selected. so I got sending keystrokes i just need to capture
now
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5622 [22:13:20] <mnuhmnuh> skizzy: Tk's expect can do that.
5623 [22:13:35] <greycat> expect works at the terminal level, not
the xev level.
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5628 [22:13:58] <skizzy> mnuhmnuh, So i can make a program that
uses tk and use expect and i will capture from keystrokes in another
window, a wine window?
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5630 [22:14:25] <mnuhmnuh> skizzy: no, listen to greycat.
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5633 [22:15:01] <skizzy> I want to capture from wine even if it
takes capturing keystrokes system wide
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5635 [22:15:11] <skizzy> like a keylogger kind of i guess
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5641 [22:16:11] <scrote> hello.
5642 [22:16:52] <phogg> skizzy: so get a keylogger.
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5644 [22:17:30] <skizzy> phogg, But Iḿ trying to create a custom
program to capture keys and send events over the network to another
machine. that triggers another program which runs macros
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5648 [22:18:08] <phogg> skizzy: yes, you said
5649 [22:18:16] <cosmicfires> I've found a bug in the
installer but I can't figure out how to report it
5650 [22:18:22] <cosmicfires> what's the package name?
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5652 [22:18:45] <skizzy> phogg, maybe i can use a keylogger to log
to a file and watch it for changes in my program
5653 [22:18:45] <annadane> debian-installer?
5654 [22:18:51] <annadane> ,v debian-installer
5655 [22:18:52] <judd> Package: debian-installer on amd64 --
wheezy: 20130613+deb7u3+b2; jessie: 20150422+deb8u4+b5; stretch:
20170615+deb9u3; buster: 20171204; sid: 20171204
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5659 [22:19:37] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: If by "that" you
mean x forwarding, look up x forwarding on the 'net.
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5662 [22:20:10] <annadane> "Debian Installer
documentation" um... ok
5663 [22:20:16] <annadane> so i have no idea, then
5664 [22:20:26] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: iirc if you install xclock
it will pull in the minimum requirements of X. X forwarding is over
SSH, so documentation there too.
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5670 [22:20:53] <cosmicfires> ok I just looked for installer
5671 [22:20:55] <Juesto> isn't there a metapackage for
minimal X?
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5673 [22:21:05] <Juesto> or a tasksel group
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5677 [22:21:24] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: Not for what you need for
headless.
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5679 [22:21:33] <bites> debian-installer is the right package to
report to. i believe.
5680 [22:21:41] <cosmicfires> ok
5681 [22:21:42] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: xclock is in the x11-apps
pkg
5682 [22:21:49] <jhutchins_wk> It's only about four packages,
nowhere near a regular X install.
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5685 [22:22:03] <Juesto> jhutchins: without the DE, nor anything
fancy
5686 [22:22:11] <Juesto> he installed gnome anyway iirc
5687 [22:22:21] <jhutchins_wk> That can be fixed.
5688 [22:22:39] <Juesto> what do you consider a regular X install?
5689 [22:22:45] <Juesto> with a DE?
5690 [22:23:23] <jhutchins_wk> Enough to run a desktop, yeah,
probably a DE, but you can do minimalist X without one. Forwarding
doesn't take the rendering engine.
5691 [22:23:58] <jhutchins_wk> xclock is a good test of your setup
and it's small and simple enough to be easy and not take up
much space.
5692 [22:23:59] <Juesto> yes, what's the "pack"
that Xorg and freedesktop provide?
5693 [22:24:12] <Juesto> xinit and xterm are too
5694 [22:24:16] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: No idea.
5695 [22:24:40] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: That's just ... silly.
5696 [22:25:00] <jhutchins_wk> xinit probably wouldn't
forward or be included in what I've done, but it's been a
few years.
5697 [22:25:05] <Juesto> it's faster and allows for running
any required gui apps
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5699 [22:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> faster than...
5700 [22:25:32] <Juesto> it starts a X server with a session for
you
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5702 [22:25:42] <Juesto> depending on setup
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5704 [22:25:56] <Juesto> usually there's none so, fallback
session is used
5705 [22:26:10] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, you don't need that for
forwarding. That's the whole point. Minimal install for
forwarding individual apps.
5706 [22:26:37] <scrote> Hi. I'm creating a debian live usb
boot according to
replaced-url
5707 [22:26:51] <jhutchins_wk> !live
5708 [22:26:51] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from
replaced-url
5709 [22:27:28] <Juesto> scrote: try the unofficial firmware live
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5713 [22:27:58] <kline> is
replaced-url
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5715 [22:28:21] <Juesto> where i should take issues with Debian
testing to?
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5720 [22:29:07] <annadane> !debian-next
5721 [22:29:08] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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5723 [22:29:56] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: General issues can be
brought up here if it's not something version specific.
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5725 [22:30:11] <greycat> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
5726 [22:30:12] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64
-- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib:
1.8.1+deb8u1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
5727 [22:30:31] <jhutchins_wk> Juesto: Same rule about derivative
distros applies there too, we can't know what they've
changed. Reproduce in actual Debian for support.
5728 [22:30:31] <greycat> *shrug*
5729 [22:30:34] <nymb242> jhutchins_wk: thanks. Sorry for the
noobishness. But I lead with "I know nothing about linux"
:)
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5731 [22:30:51] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: Everybody's gotta
start somewhere.
5732 [22:30:52] <Juesto> jhutchins_wk: it is a version not in
stable but in testing
5733 [22:30:52] <nymb242> I'll give a try to xming with putty
and see where it goes.
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5736 [22:31:24] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: DOS-Windows-Linux HOWTO:
5737 [22:31:25] <jhutchins_wk>
replaced-url
5738 [22:31:31] <nymb242> Almost time to go home so I'll pick
it up later.
5739 [22:31:46] <jhutchins_wk> nymb242: I liked cygwin better, but
that will work.
5740 [22:31:49] <Juesto> there's a gnudos package iirc
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5742 [22:31:52] <de-facto> is simply "xorg" the correct
meta package to install X11 server and all its deps without any
window manager?
5743 [22:32:00] <ska> nymb242: forget putty.. Check out git-bash
5744 [22:32:20] <greycat> de-facto: yes
5745 [22:32:21] <Juesto> ,v xorg
5746 [22:32:22] <judd> Package: xorg on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:7.7+3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:7.7+7; buster: 1:7.7+19; sid: 1:7.7+19;
stretch: 1:7.7+19
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5750 [22:32:41] <Juesto> hm
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5752 [22:33:29] <nymb242> ok, thanks for the suggestions. Yeah,
knowing what to use is a challenge. Everybody's got their
preferences.
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5754 [22:34:04] <nymb242> and there's so many tutorials,
which is great, but makes one's head spin.
5755 [22:34:19] <nymb242> Especially when the info given is
totally different.
5756 [22:34:33] <nymb242> I'll figure it out...eventually. :)
5757 [22:34:48] <greycat> 3/4 of the tutorials on the Web are
wrong, partially or wholly.
5758 [22:35:02] <greycat> You have to figure out which parts
actually work.
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5767 [22:37:58] <hiya> In Gnome Sound Settings - I don't see
150% volume
5768 [22:38:03] <hiya> anymore
5769 [22:38:16] <greycat> ... yay?
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5772 [22:38:29] <hiya> It shows 100percent only, my laptop's
volume is so low :(
5773 [22:38:37] <hiya> How do I bring 150percent again?
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5780 [22:40:42] <hiya> Ok done
5781 [22:40:51] <hiya> Tweak Settings has an option
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5794 [22:45:03] <MSPE> Hi! Is anybody using Debian with backported
Linux kernel depending on AppArmor, resulting in Unbound service not
able to start because somehow it can't read
/etc/unbound/unbound.d/*.conf because of its profile
/etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.unbound ?
5795 [22:45:11] <MSPE> I tried replicating the AppArmor profile
for Unbound from Sid, but still no read access to the unbound *.conf
files
5796 [22:45:18] <MSPE> if I boot with apparmor=0 as a Linux boot
argument, everything's OK, so I'm 100% sure the problem
comes from the AppArmor profile
5797 [22:45:24] <MSPE> some people talk about an issue with
systemd notification, but this gets resolved if you use the latest
apparmor profile from sid (or just change the ad-hoc line specific
to this problem
5798 [22:45:25] <digital_> oi
5799 [22:45:42] <digital_> oi
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5803 [22:46:19] <mnuhmnuh> ,v git-sh
5804 [22:46:21] <judd> Package: git-sh on amd64 -- buster: 1.1-1;
jessie: 1.1-1; sid: 1.1-1; stretch: 1.1-1; wheezy: 1.1-1
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5807 [22:47:15] <greycat> !tell MSPE about debian-next
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5813 [22:51:33] <Juesto> !debian-next
5814 [22:51:33] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
5815 [22:51:39] <Juesto> ok
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5817 [22:52:13] <MSPE> @greycat @dpkg → sorry, I thought
backports stuff was related to stable, and testing+sid to next
5818 [22:52:16] <MSPE> mea culpa
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5821 [22:53:32] <greycat> If you're getting apparmor problems
of ANY kind, the people in #debian-next would be the only ones who
know about those.
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5824 [22:55:00] <annadane> ,v apparmor
5825 [22:55:01] <judd> Package: apparmor on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.7.103-4; jessie: 2.9.0-3; jessie-backports: 2.10.95-4~bpo8+2;
stretch: 2.11.0-3+deb9u2; buster: 2.12-4; sid: 2.12-4
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5828 [22:56:09] <greycat> Unless you're willing to accept
"Just turn off apparmor completely" as the solution. Then
maybe we can dig up the debian-user threads where they talk about
this.
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5832 [22:58:32] <MSPE> at first there were lots of problems when
the kernel started to draw apparmor
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5836 [22:58:51] <MSPE> but today on my distrib, I think unbound is
the only one that still has problems
5837 [22:59:01] <de-facto> hmm when i start chromium directly on
xorg via startx chromium-fullscreen.sh with "chromium
--window-size=7000,7000 --start-fullscreen --no-first-run --kiosk
'replaced-url
5838 [22:59:02] <MSPE> that's why I was tempted to try to fix
it
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5840 [22:59:30] <MSPE> but I guess I can wait
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5842 [22:59:47] <MSPE> I already marked apparmor on hold for a few
months, otherwise thunderbird wouldn't start
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5851 [23:03:05] <scrote> Juesto: I downloaded the amd64 ISO image
for debian live. How do I get it onto the USB stick so it's
bootable and not just a .iso file?
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5859 [23:09:13] <Juesto> scrote: couldn't you look that up on
a search engine?
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5866 [23:11:38] <svnking> Hey
5867 [23:11:49] <svnking> Having an issue trying to run headless
deluge
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5874 [23:13:21] <annadane> svnking, ok, what "issue",
need to be more specific
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5876 [23:13:54] <svnking> deluged and deluge-web are both running
but I can't connect to either
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5879 [23:14:22] <svnking> Web loads but the daemon is offline and
won't start from connection manager
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5885 [23:17:24] <svnking> deluged has been started as the deluge
user and appears to be running okay, according to systemctl
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5888 [23:19:00] <svnking> Was working yesterday -_-
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5905 [23:25:43] <Guest35862> weird
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5907 [23:25:52] <Guest35862> i just ran apt update
5908 [23:25:58] <Guest35862> it said hash mismatch
5909 [23:26:05] <Guest35862> i ran it 2 seconds later again it
worked
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5912 [23:26:12] <annadane> can happen sometimes
5913 [23:26:15] <annadane> not entirely sure why
5914 [23:26:35] <Juesto> because connection likely
5915 [23:26:35] <Guest35862> is that what happens if someone
updates their sources right exactly when the repo gets updated?
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5918 [23:27:05] <Guest35862> i got a security mail about an update
to git only 1 hour before
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5924 [23:29:21] <annadane> yeah, possibly
5925 [23:29:24] <annadane> idk for sure th
5926 [23:29:24] <annadane> o
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5942 [23:39:16] <nejeeeee> is there a software i can use to write
on pdf?
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5944 [23:39:31] <annadane> nejeeeee, xournal
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5949 [23:41:12] <nejeeeee> Package 'xournal' has no
installation candidate !?
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5952 [23:41:20] <annadane> ,v xournal
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5954 [23:41:21] <judd> Package: xournal on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.4.6~pre20110721-1+b1; jessie: 1:0.4.8-1; sid: 1:0.4.8-1+b1;
stretch: 1:0.4.8-1+b1
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5956 [23:41:30] <annadane> should be?
5957 [23:41:55] <Guest35862> I've used Scibrus to remaster
PDF files, but i think PDF modification support has to be compiled
in
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5959 [23:42:21] <Guest35862> and not all distributions of Linux
have that enabled in the repo version
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5961 [23:43:37] <nejeeeee> annadane shouldn't it work?
5962 [23:44:02] <annadane> it should work, i'm not sure why
you're having problems
5963 [23:44:08] <annadane> assuming you're on debian 9
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5966 [23:45:42] <de-facto> how do i autostart xorg as a user on
bootup? systemd unit or such?
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5968 [23:46:31] <Guest35862> de-facto, do you plan to use a
graphical login manger as well?
5969 [23:47:04] <de-facto> no
5970 [23:47:18] <de-facto> just chromium as a user in kiosk mode
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5972 [23:47:29] <Guest35862> you can add startx to your .bashrc
file
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5974 [23:47:48] <Guest35862> you can even start chromium directly
from X
5975 [23:47:49] <annadane> nejeeeee, what's your
/etc/apt/sources.list - post to paste.debian.net, and maybe try
changing the mirror to one found on
replaced-url
5976 [23:47:52] <annadane> maybe a primary mirror
5977 [23:48:00] <Guest35862> startx /usr/bin/chromium
5978 [23:48:07] <Guest35862> or whereever chrome is stored
5979 [23:48:10] <de-facto> yet then i would have to login, which i
cant. it has to come up automatically on bootup
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5982 [23:48:59] <Guest35862> de-facto, you change the getty script
to login automatically instead of spawning /usr/login
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5984 [23:49:33] <nejeeeee> i'm in testing, could this be the
problem?
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5987 [23:49:56] <de-facto> Guest35862, which file is that?
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5991 [23:51:30] <Guest35862> de-facto, it changed when debian
switched to systemd. 1 second i'm looking up the updated info
5992 [23:51:40] <de-facto> thanks
5993 [23:52:17] <annadane> nejeeeee, right, well, if you're
on testing, it's not in testing
5994 [23:52:32] <nejeeeee> ok thanks, i've downloaded it
manually
5995 [23:52:37] <annadane> you can still get it from unstable by
adding a line in your sources
5996 [23:52:50] <annadane> for future reference, #debian is for
stable and oldstable support
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5998 [23:52:52] <annadane> !debian-next
5999 [23:52:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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6002 [23:54:03] <bites> and oldoldstable for the next two days!
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6004 [23:54:30] <Guest35862> de-facto, ok so it looks when when
systemd took over that it changed to /etc/systemd/system/
6005 [23:55:04] <Guest35862> de-facto, you have to add a file
/etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d/override.conf
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6011 [23:56:07] <Guest35862> my bad
6012 [23:56:12] <pfred1> my worse
6013 [23:56:17] <Guest35862>
/etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service
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6015 [23:56:32] <de-facto> Guest35862, yes getty.target.wants is a
directory there
6016 [23:56:51] <annadane> xournal saved my life, i'm so
happy it exists
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6019 [23:57:31] <Guest35862> then instead of spawning a getty or
login you start x and chromium as tghe kiosk user
6020 [23:57:38] <Guest35862> or whatever user will be for the
kiosk
6021 [23:58:04] <Guest35862> carful not to start it as root.
that's not a good idea
6022 [23:58:49] <Guest35862> it used to be in /etc/inittab
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