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4 [00:01:41] <tomreyn> XLS202: i see what you mean. it's
interesting that the first packet was lost, i had expected it to be
randomly, or to the end.
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8 [00:03:45] <XLS202> tomreyn: I just looked at the other
tests, and its allways the first one
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11 [00:08:17] <tomreyn> hmm i'm not skilled enough in
networking to speculate on possible causes
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14 [00:09:02] <XLS202> the thing that confueses me the most is
the second test. Because it sends 5 packets instead of 4...
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78 [01:13:34] <n4dir> if i start gnome-sound-recorder to test a
usb microphone, the window is pretty empty. It has on
"record" button and a menu entry with preferences. But how
would i tell it which microphone to use?
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83 [01:16:53] <tomreyn> if it doesn't have a frontend for
selecting the recording device then it probably just uses whatever
is setup as the default device in pulseaudio
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85 [01:17:59] <n4dir> and i could check that for pulseaudio with
pavucontrol ?
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88 [01:18:31] <tomreyn> yes, probably, or gnome settings
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91 [01:19:28] <n4dir> can't find anything according in
pavucontrol
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93 [01:19:57] <tomreyn> input devices -> port
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97 [01:21:14] <n4dir> there is only "video" as port.
98 [01:21:36] <tomreyn> and the device is a video card?
99 [01:22:01] <n4dir> no.
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101 [01:23:22] <n4dir> i had to change "show" to
"hardware input devices" to see microphones
102 [01:23:38] <tomreyn> i don't have a usb connected input
device here currently, so can't check what it should look like.
but i'm convinced it should have shown on the input devices tab
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107 [01:29:55] <n4dir> [ 4070.849308] hid-generic
0003:0D8C:013C.0007: input,hidraw3: USB HID v1.00 Device [C-Media
Electronics Inc. USB PnP Sound Device] on usb-0000:00:1d.1-2/input2
108 [01:30:46] <n4dir> is the output of dmesg; pavucontrol has
mic1, mic2, line in and analog input. Tried all of them, none
worked, what might i be missing?
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120 [01:42:33] <n4dir> ok, *while* recording i had also to make a
choice in the "recording" tab of pavucontrol. Jesus, what
a nightmare.
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122 [01:42:42] <n4dir> anyway, works now, thanks.
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177 [02:36:29] <hussar> i just downloaded a -dev package. How do
I look at the source code?
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206 [03:14:44] <coruja> !source
207 [03:14:45] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source
packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a
location with free space; download the source package with
<apt-get source>; retrieve dependencies with <apt-get
build-dep>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use
<dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details,
also ask me about <package recompile> <backport>
<nmg> <policy> <source package>
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241 [03:57:25] <binaryhermit> regarding the burn comment, I
understand where it comes from and should have kept my mouth shut
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288 [04:56:03] <hussar> dpkg: what's the point of the
libsixel-dev package if i need to download the source anyway?
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290 [04:56:04] <dpkg> hussar: You are person #1 to send an
unparseable request
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292 [04:56:49] <quadrathoch2> hussar because it's the
developer package, not the source
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299 [05:06:46] <CrystalMath> hi all
300 [05:06:56] <CrystalMath> is it possible to run debian without
udev?
301 [05:07:02] <CrystalMath> using static device files?
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306 [05:11:46] <ectospasm> udev is part of the kernel, right? You
may want to start there.
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308 [05:14:28] <CrystalMath> not really
309 [05:14:30] <CrystalMath> it's userspace
310 [05:14:33] <CrystalMath> DevFS is in the kernel
311 [05:16:29] <joepublic> out of curiosity, is the goal to
remove udev itself, or to remove something else that requires
removing udev?
312 [05:17:08] <CrystalMath> the goal is removing udev itself and
going back to static device files in /dev
313 [05:18:07] <CrystalMath> i think udev should be optional
314 [05:19:10] <CrystalMath> perhaps i will make a package called
static-device-files
315 [05:19:13] <CrystalMath> it will provide udev
316 [05:19:27] <joepublic> sounds reasonable on the face of it
317 [05:19:29] <CrystalMath> but it will just extract a ton of
predefined device nodes into /dev
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333 [05:46:44] <wugapodes> On sid with kde-plasma-desktop,
whenever I use libreoffice the system will freeze up after a few
minutes. I can still access tty. How should I diagnose the problem
so that I can make a useful bug report?
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341 [05:57:36] <quadrathoch2> !testing | wugapodes
342 [05:57:43] <quadrathoch2> !testing
343 [05:57:44] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<bullseye>. See
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344 [05:57:54] <quadrathoch2> wrong channel ;)
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347 [06:03:47] <wugapodes> thanks for the lead quadrathoc2
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389 [07:00:34] <bigfluff> Gah, anyone else ever fire up their
machine and remember how great Debian is?
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393 [07:07:01] <Logg> i never turn my computer off so that i
won't be away from how great debian is
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397 [07:08:08] <bigfluff> Ah, I am a mostly mobile user
398 [07:08:16] <bigfluff> Bedside Debian
399 [07:08:38] <Logg> what phone runs Debian?
400 [07:09:02] <bigfluff> Laptop
401 [07:09:40] <Logg>
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402 [07:09:43] <Logg> neat.
403 [07:10:29] <bigfluff> I've already told my wife that
when our mobile contract is up I'm going to a $15/m Tracfone +
a $20 flip-fone
404 [07:10:54] <bigfluff> I carry my laptop with me everywhere,
no need for repetitiveness
405 [07:10:56] <bracham> i'm somewhat following the
pinephone, and i'm not sure about debian, but the ubuntu
version is apparently nearly fully useful
406 [07:11:12] <bracham> not the right term, but i'm tired
407 [07:11:44] <Logg> as long as it has mobile hotspot, bigfluff
408 [07:12:06] <bigfluff> Logg: still not sure on that one
409 [07:12:36] <bigfluff> I can put in for a mobile jet-pack or
whatever now, my work would approve it I'm sure
410 [07:13:19] <Logg> Mention me if you find one that does.
I've been looking and none of the flip phones seem to offer
that functionality. There are routers with sim cards, but they
can't make phone calls.
411 [07:14:21] <bracham> the couple flip phones i
412 [07:14:33] <bracham> 've seen the last few years
don't even use wifi
413 [07:14:46] <bigfluff> Yeah, I don't want a fancy phone
either because I want compatibility with Tracfone and their
super-cheap call/sms unlimited
414 [07:15:00] <bigfluff> The jet-pack, I wouldn't pay for
personally :>
415 [07:15:24] <bracham> is that just one of those personal
hotspot things?
416 [07:15:46] <bigfluff> Yeah, I have no idea what they're
called
417 [07:16:06] <bracham> i can't remember
418 [07:16:30] <bigfluff> About the size of a flip-phone, but a
little mini-router of sorts
419 [07:16:57] <bigfluff> I've only had a phone for like two
years now
420 [07:17:02] <bracham> right. would be kinda handy, but at the
same time i'd find it useless as all our phones already have
good data packages
421 [07:17:35] <bigfluff> Smartphone == overconnected
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424 [07:18:33] <bracham> that's subject to personal opinion,
of course
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426 [07:18:59] <Logg> lol @ this sentence from
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427 [07:19:06] <Logg> > It would be great if the GNOME, KDE
and other GUI communities could come to agreement on a common UI for
Debian, to save unnecessary duplication of development effort, both
of the Debian UI, and application software for Debian.
428 [07:19:12] <Logg> Gnome can't even agree with itself
429 [07:19:28] <bracham> but i can't wait until the
pinephone or such is fully functional and i can mostly ditch alot of
the big corp stuff
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433 [07:22:07] <Logg> someone should tell pinephone that the term
"haptic motor" is preferred to "vibrator" on
this page
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434 [07:23:41] <bracham> i see vibrator...
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436 [07:24:11] <bracham> oh i see
437 [07:24:14] <bracham> haha!
438 [07:24:18] <bracham> like i said, i'm tired
439 [07:25:02] <quadrathoch2> imho it's just more known than
haptic motor ^^
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443 [07:29:17] <mi11k1> i need help. I gotta get this right the
first time. I have buster and bullseye installed on 2 seperate
drives. its a headless machine. i modified /etc/default/grub and
forgot to update grub, so im back to the os I dont want. how do I
update the grub on the other drive?
444 [07:29:41] <mi11k1> you know what i mean, lol
445 [07:29:47] <mi11k1> poor explanation, sorry
446 [07:30:07] <mi11k1> like I said, cant access bios to change
boot order
447 [07:30:20] <mi11k1> nm
448 [07:30:23] <bracham> will the current grub show the other
drive?
449 [07:30:45] <mi11k1> im an idiot. i just need to modify the
/etc/default/grub on this os
450 [07:30:52] <mi11k1> and i should be good
451 [07:30:53] <Logg> if you're in the "os you
don't want" & both drives are connected to the system,
yeah, just update grub
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453 [07:32:27] <bracham> yeah if you just want access to both,
and don't care which OS controls grub, just modify and
update/install grub from the current
454 [07:32:50] <mi11k1> im rebooting now, hope i hope its # 2
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457 [07:34:04] <mi11k1> good to go. thanks ppl
458 [07:34:34] <mi11k1> now, wheres my car keys?
459 [07:34:40] <bracham> i'm picky and when i have multiple
linux distros on a system, i prefer to have a specific distro run
grub. some distros allow not installing grub (like debian, IIRC),
but others, like ubuntu, force you to install grub
460 [07:35:00] <Logg> on the floor behind your bed
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462 [07:35:02] <mi11k1> i dont usually do. i tried testing and
ran into a bunch of stuff
463 [07:35:14] <bracham> don't usually do what?
464 [07:35:26] <mi11k1> for zoneminder, so the 2nd drive is
intended for that
465 [07:35:35] <mi11k1> have 2 os's installed
466 [07:36:31] <mi11k1> ive been messing with bootstrap, its what
i want to start doing
467 [07:36:34] <bracham> ah ok. i have one system where ubuntu is
installed twice, but once is a main, and the second is an
experimental setup where i'll play around with it more. then i
have windows 7 installed beside them
468 [07:36:55] <mi11k1> i use VM's for most
469 [07:37:34] <bracham> i use older machines that I got either
dirt cheap or given to me, so multiboot works better
470 [07:37:48] <mi11k1> me too, but i got lucky recently
471 [07:37:51] <bigfluff> What is the best VM setup (host, i.e.
VirtualBox?) for Debian?
472 [07:37:59] <mi11k1> got give an r620 with 256 meg of ram
473 [07:38:12] <mi11k1> i use proxmox
474 [07:38:16] <bracham> 256MB RAM?
475 [07:38:18] <mi11k1> its debian based
476 [07:38:24] <mi11k1> sorry , gig
477 [07:38:28] <bracham> oh wow
478 [07:38:42] <bracham> is that a server unit?
479 [07:38:46] <bigfluff> Ah, I am looking for something to run
Windows etc on my lappy :)
480 [07:38:53] <mi11k1> yah rack mounted dell
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482 [07:39:06] <mi11k1> virtualbox is pretty good
483 [07:39:07] <bracham> i would love something like that
484 [07:39:11] <mi11k1> i use it on my i5 laptop
485 [07:39:28] <bracham> my personal/home server is just an old
desktop
486 [07:39:40] <mi11k1> i have lots of those
487 [07:39:54] <mi11k1> i got most of my stuff from electronics
recycling
488 [07:40:27] <mi11k1> the hardware store had a seacan full of
stuff
489 [07:41:08] <mi11k1> this was years ago. ppl dont know you can
have a new computer by installing linux
490 [07:41:15] <somiaj> libvirt and kvm-qemu is a nice
alternative if you want something fully in debian and native in the
linux kernel.
491 [07:41:43] <mi11k1> somiaj, yah it works, but i find theres a
learning curve
492 [07:41:48] <bracham> mi11k1, yeah exactly!
493 [07:41:54] <mi11k1> for simplicity virtualbox
494 [07:42:03] <mi11k1> for windows vms especially
495 [07:42:21] <bigfluff> Hmm, I'll have to play around
496 [07:42:32] <bigfluff> Pretty sure I want to do it the
'most Debian' way
497 [07:42:53] <mi11k1> is the machine intended for just
vm's?
498 [07:43:31] <somiaj> virt-manager's gui make things
fairly similar to virtualbox
499 [07:43:59] <mi11k1> yah, i run it currently and go through
ssh
500 [07:44:14] <mi11k1> spice is nice
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502 [07:44:26] <mi11k1> some sugar too
503 [07:45:11] <Jmabsd> I have a curious problem: My Debian
stable with the 5.4, will blackscreen on boot. I tested with both an
old and a recent Radeon card.
504 [07:45:21] <Jmabsd> Thoughts about how fix? When googling for
it I see it discussed online though no obvious solutions.
505 [07:45:31] <mi11k1> Jmabsd, edit the command and add
nomodeset
506 [07:45:40] <mi11k1> after the quiet
507 [07:45:40] <somiaj> or add the firmware needed for your gpu
508 [07:46:01] <somiaj> nomodeset is a poor solution, since it
just disables all gpu acceleration and uses software solutions
509 [07:46:08] <mi11k1> just to get in
510 [07:46:24] <somiaj> if you just need to boot, swtich to a tty
or use multi-user.target
511 [07:46:25] <mi11k1> did you add non-free?
512 [07:46:36] <mi11k1> in sources?
513 [07:46:38] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: Yeah
514 [07:46:42] <mi11k1> whats lspci say?
515 [07:46:46] <Jmabsd> somiaj: exactly nomodeset is poor
516 [07:46:46] <mi11k1> whats the card/
517 [07:47:02] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: yes i added the non-free.
518 [07:47:10] <mi11k1> you might need to flick something in bios
519 [07:47:17] <Jmabsd> one of them is a Vega 64 8GB. the other
one is some 2011 Radeon model
520 [07:47:18] <mi11k1> does it have onboard?
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522 [07:47:33] <Jmabsd> the system does not have onboard
graphics. also this system does not have a bios.
523 [07:47:43] <mi11k1> no bios?
524 [07:48:23] <mi11k1> did you try with just one card?
525 [07:49:05] <mi11k1> sometimes the slot matter I think. on one
of mine it has 2 slots, but only one works with graphics card
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528 [07:50:59] <bracham> Jmabsd, what do you mean by no bios?
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536 [07:56:22] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: indeed it's a special EFI
firmware machine.
537 [07:56:31] <Jmabsd> i tried with both cards, separately
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540 [08:01:41] <mi11k1> Jmabsd, whats the board?
541 [08:01:49] <mi11k1> does dmesg tell u anything?
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543 [08:02:58] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: an old dual Xeon
544 [08:03:05] <Jmabsd> i can't see the screen so nothing
interesting in dmesg
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550 [08:09:51] <mi11k1> Jmabsd, can somebody please tell Jmabsd
to use the mac iso if hes using a mac.
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552 [08:10:15] <mi11k1> its logical I think
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554 [08:10:40] <mi11k1> or whats the diff? am i wrong?
555 [08:11:04] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: i should look into it. but the
radeon blackscreen issue seems to be reported online for normal PCs
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557 [08:11:46] <mi11k1> i would start with installing the iso
intended for that machine
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559 [08:12:08] <mi11k1> i used one a few years ago, it solved it
for me
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561 [08:12:43] <mi11k1> somebody told me to use the mac iso, and
i was like, whaaaaa?
562 [08:13:17] <mi11k1> and no shit, there was a mac iso, problem
solved.
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564 [08:13:41] <mi11k1> then i instaled windows 10 on it
565 [08:13:52] <mi11k1> it was somebody elses.
566 [08:14:41] <mi11k1> after wasting 12 hours trying to go
passed mountain lion or something stupid
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570 [08:16:43] <mi11k1> Jmabsd, maybe its supposed to have
matching cards?
571 [08:17:09] <mi11k1> i forget if the one i fixed had 2 cards,
but it had 2 outputs for video
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573 [08:17:31] <mi11k1> 4 hd's and 2 cards with ram
574 [08:18:02] <mi11k1> has to be ecc ram i think.
575 [08:18:25] <mi11k1> its worth more in scrap aluminum
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581 [08:25:12] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: nope not supposed to have
matching cards
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584 [08:25:29] <Jmabsd> mi11k1: actually i thought the whole
radeon thing worked well before i tried to switch to the 5.5 kernel
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615 [08:52:13] <bracham> i just wiped and reinstalled windows 10
on a laptop for a friend, am working through the updates. it's
painful.
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643 [09:27:42] <winterflaw> I'm using debootstrap for the
very first time. I want to make a bootable SD card for mipsel. This
is the command I'm using;
644 [09:27:45] <winterflaw> debootstrap --arch=mipsel
--variant=minbase buster ./test
replaced-url
645 [09:27:50] <winterflaw> and this is the error I get;
646 [09:27:58] <winterflaw> E: Unable to execute target
architecture
647 [09:28:05] <winterflaw> I've googled, but I don't
understand.
648 [09:28:10] <winterflaw> Any words of wisdom, please?
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668 [09:51:15] <Muimi> hey can anyone here help me to figure outt
how to identify the correct way to make a service exception on my
firewall if that's the problem i'm experiencing?
669 [09:51:47] <trinity> what firewall are you using?
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671 [09:53:10] <Johann> what problem are you experiencing?
672 [09:53:48] <Muimi> i think ... it's just the built-in
firewall
673 [09:54:01] <Muimi> TASK [cloud-vultr : Creating a firewall
group] fatal: [localhost]: FAILED! => {"changed":
false, "msg": "The API key is not speicied. Please
refer to the documentation."}
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676 [09:56:06] <trinity> I think this refers to the vultr API
key.
677 [09:56:28] <trinity> You can specify it as environment
variable: VULTR_API_KEY
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679 [09:57:28] <Muimi> okay but do you know how i can figure out
how to do that in an Algo VPN setup?
680 [09:57:37] <Muimi> because there's nothing mentioned
about this anywhere in the guides
681 [09:58:41] <trinity> You use ansible, right?
682 [09:59:33] <rj1> Muimi: i recommend this over algo vpn -
replaced-url
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700 [10:14:38] <Muimi> ugh i disconnected at 57 after
701 [10:14:46] <Muimi> 57:36
702 [10:15:13] <trinity> Muimi: you use ansible, right?
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704 [10:16:46] <Muimi> I don't know what that is
705 [10:17:01] <Muimi> no i don't
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707 [10:18:14] <trinity> oh, ok. Its an automation software. But
your error message looks suspiciously like the ones from ansible.
708 [10:18:35] <trinity> What were you doing, when the error
occurred?
709 [10:18:47] <Muimi> following the installer steps (step 5 I
think)
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711 [10:19:27] <themill> That doesn't look like anything
that the Debian installer would output
712 [10:19:44] <Muimi>
replaced-url
713 [10:20:00] <Muimi> type ./algo
714 [10:20:03] <Muimi> step 6
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716 [10:20:18] <Muimi> it's a really short guide.
717 [10:20:43] <themill> ah... so "the installer" is
some other thing none of us has heard of... good-o
718 [10:21:39] <mi11k1> let me try!
719 [10:22:04] <Muimi> Hahahahahaha! Hilarious.
720 [10:22:27] <Muimi> Hold on. I need some aspirin my sides are
hurting from too much laughing.
721 [10:22:39] <mi11k1> i use openvpn , it just works
722 [10:23:14] <trinity> The installer uses ansible internally.
You should be able to set the api key via environment variables on
the commandline.
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724 [10:23:28] <Muimi> You made an openvpn server? I spent three
weeks trying to set that up all day long each day and didn't
succeed.
725 [10:23:38] <mi11k1> what is ansible, i need to look this up
right now. i keep hearing it.
726 [10:23:44] <miskatonic> I do not use ansible. What is it good
for?
727 [10:23:44] <trinity> Do something like this:
VULTR_API_KEY=****** ./algo
728 [10:24:02] <Muimi> that's just the full path to algo
right?
729 [10:24:07] <mi11k1>
replaced-url
730 [10:24:15] <Muimi> or what are the asterisks? Literally
those?
731 [10:24:42] <mi11k1> ****** reps yer api key
732 [10:24:47] <trinity> miskatonic: you can declare settings in
a .yaml file and ansible will make sure your system is configured
that way. Handy if you need to take care of dozens of computers.
733 [10:25:18] <Muimi> where do I get an api key?
734 [10:25:53] <miskatonic> I only take care of one, so I
probably never needed anything like that ...
735 [10:26:11] <trinity> Muimi: If you want to deploy a VPN
server on Vultr, you must be their customer. Then they will give you
an API key.
736 [10:26:13] <mi11k1> Muimi, run that script i just gave you.
youll have a vpn in 3 mins
737 [10:27:14] <mi11k1> with the config it spits out just run
sudo openvpn --config file
738 [10:27:30] <trinity> miskatonic: It's also handy, if you
need to automate things in general, like certificate renewals
739 [10:27:35] <mi11k1> the nmgui doesnt always import it
correctly
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746 [10:30:25] <mi11k1> if you want to use the same config
simutaneosly you add "duplicate-cn" to server.conf and if
you want the clients to be able to see eachother you add
"client-to-client"
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749 [10:33:07] <Muimi> ...
750 [10:33:10] <Muimi> and i'm on IRC?
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752 [10:33:20] <Muimi> ping succeeds...
753 [10:33:25] <Muimi> someone bump chat please
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755 [10:33:27] <darsie> yes
756 [10:33:32] <Muimi> ty
757 [10:33:41] <Muimi> do a speed test
758 [10:33:56] <Muimi> wow. 4 1080px videos no lag
759 [10:34:08] <darsie> wrong channel
760 [10:34:10] <Muimi> now i wonder if I can cause china to
blacklist my server
761 [10:34:24] <Muimi> mi11k1 yes that worked. thank you.
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764 [10:35:24] <mi11k1> Muimi, did you see the msgs about
client-to-client and duplicate?
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767 [10:36:16] <Muimi> i didn't see anything between 1:30:25
and 1:33:06 if it was there
768 [10:36:34] <mi11k1> if you want to use the same config
simutaneosly you add "duplicate-cn" to server.conf and if
you want the clients to be able to see eachother you add
"client-to-client"
769 [10:36:59] <Muimi> what does that mean/do? What would I use
it for?
770 [10:37:22] <mi11k1> you can run the script again to make
another cert
771 [10:37:46] <mi11k1> if you just want to use the same cert
across multiple machines you add the line to server.conf
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773 [10:37:54] <Muimi> yes. i'm trying to run two clients
simultaneiously now
774 [10:38:00] <Muimi> oh i see
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776 [10:38:23] <Muimi> that's a good idea. i could make one
cert that could be shared by a few guests and cut it if i change
companies or something
777 [10:38:26] <mi11k1> so make another cert or edit the
/etc/openvpn.server.conf
778 [10:38:58] <mi11k1> you can just run the script again and it
will ask you if you want to just add a user
779 [10:39:56] <mi11k1> now, if you have 2 clients connected and
you want them to be able to connect to eachother you edit the same
file and add "client-to-client"
780 [10:41:51] <Muimi> mi11k1 may I ask if you know how to add
one of the configs to the router?
781 [10:42:08] <mi11k1> haha, manually
782 [10:42:28] <Muimi> yeah :P
783 [10:42:29] <mi11k1> its always a bitch. what router?
784 [10:42:53] <Muimi> uhm can i pm that ?
785 [10:42:59] <mi11k1> sure
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840 [12:07:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi guys
841 [12:07:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> for named dns files. do i need to
use .domain.inv? for reverse lookups?
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843 [12:07:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> cause when did it with centos i
only used .domain
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866 [12:34:25] <irreleph4nt> Hi. I am going to migrate to 10.4
soon from either Arch Linux or Ubuntu. I have never used Debian
before and was searching for a guideline on how to recompile Ubuntu
packages for use on Debian.
867 [12:34:44] <irreleph4nt> I am aware that simply installing a
Ubuntu .deb on Debian is a bad idea and not supported
868 [12:34:55] <irreleph4nt> So I am looking for the right way of
doing it should it be necessary
869 [12:35:10] <irreleph4nt> What I found so far is this Debian
How To:
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870 [12:35:23] <irreleph4nt> Does it apply to normal packages
outside PPAs too?
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873 [12:37:25] <miskatonic> it leads to frankendebian
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875 [12:38:18] <diogenes_> irreleph4nt, compiling from source or
using appimages.
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877 [12:40:32] <miskatonic> best not to install it system wide
878 [12:40:32] <irreleph4nt> diogenes_, So I assume that's
going to be somewhat similar to what's in the PPA guide
already?
879 [12:41:09] <irreleph4nt> miskatonic, what would a recommended
prefix look like? Coming from Arch, I have never used alternative
prefixes
880 [12:42:16] <miskatonic> the ~/.local directory is often used
for one-user-software
881 [12:42:54] <miskatonic> there is a variable which sets this
directory, something to do with XDG
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884 [12:45:29] <irreleph4nt> miskatonic, and for making software
available for everyone using the system, I assume something like
/usr/local/ should it exist on Debian?
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886 [12:45:54] <trinity> Yes /usr/local exists.
887 [12:46:21] <trinity> Personally, I would install it in /opt
to avoid overriding system defaults, but you do you.
888 [12:47:20] <irreleph4nt> trinity, /opt I have only ever seen
used for non-native software like plex and mattermost. But thank you
for the suggestion :)
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894 [12:50:02] <irreleph4nt> trinity, a follow-up if I may.
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897 [12:50:53] <trinity> sure.
898 [12:51:14] <irreleph4nt> trinity, when you install newer
versions of something Debian ships to /opt, how do you handle PATH?
Or do you simply launch dependent software with a variable pointing
to the never version?
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900 [12:53:13] <trinity> someone correct me if I'm wrong,
but I don't think debian ships anything in /opt.
901 [12:53:18] <irreleph4nt> An example would be python and an
IDE that uses it. If I were to put python 3.8 into /opt I would
probably launch something like visual studio code with
"PYTHON=/opt/pyton3.8 vscode"
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903 [12:53:43] <irreleph4nt> I would probably try launching*
904 [12:54:41] <miskatonic> PATH can be adjusted in the
shell's profile files
905 [12:55:18] <trinity> Python is a special beast of its own. In
case you want python3.8 as system default for all users, I would let
/usr/bin/python point to /opt/python3.8, but otherwise
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908 [12:56:16] <trinity> I would simply let /opt be it and let
each user define overrides to the applications there on a
per-application basis
909 [12:57:05] <trinity> You can append it to PATH at the end,
making sure that it is used only in case the application has not
been found in the default PATHs
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913 [12:57:54] <miskatonic> PATH=$PATH:/opt/bin
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921 [13:05:04] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw you still here?
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924 [13:06:05] <winterflaw> yes, but about to nap
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926 [13:06:17] <winterflaw> so I half fixed the sd card reader
problem
927 [13:06:27] <winterflaw> I was able to un-borked the external
reader I bought
928 [13:06:32] <winterflaw> but not the internal reader
929 [13:06:42] <irreleph4nt> thank you trinity miskatonic ! :)
930 [13:07:27] <winterflaw> I turned off auto-mount (possibly
relevant) and inserted the card into the external reader. I then
manually activated and then deactivated the LVM partition - and
bingo, that allowed the reader to properly forget the card upon
removal.
931 [13:07:33] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw :/ that sounds so so
weird. but I just tested the debootstrap, and for me he can find the
arch
932 [13:07:51] <winterflaw> ah, so that is expected to work
933 [13:07:52] <winterflaw> okaay
934 [13:07:56] <winterflaw> that's a clue anyway
935 [13:08:20] <winterflaw> however, when I put the problem card
into the internal slot, it doesn't show up at all; I have a
device for it, but no media is loaded
936 [13:08:31] <winterflaw> so I can't manually
activate/deactivated LVM
937 [13:08:33] <quadrathoch2> could you test 'sudo debootrap
--variant=minbase --arch mipsel buster /path/to/chroot
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938 [13:08:50] <winterflaw> one mo - I was about to ask you what
mirror you were using
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940 [13:09:15] <quadrathoch2> I always use that
'mirror' as it is a mirrorlist ;)
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942 [13:09:32] <winterflaw> same error
943 [13:09:47] <winterflaw> I think I need to get the latest
version of debootstrap
944 [13:09:56] <winterflaw> I'm using the version with
buster
945 [13:10:19] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw which should be fine
946 [13:11:59] <winterflaw> what version do you have?
947 [13:12:10] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw same one, as I use
buster ;)
948 [13:12:30] <winterflaw> do a debootstrap --version just to
make sure for me please?
949 [13:12:42] <winterflaw> I get "debootstrap 1.0.114"
950 [13:12:50] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw me too
951 [13:12:54] <winterflaw> okay
952 [13:12:58] <winterflaw> I won't bother changing :-)
953 [13:13:10] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw if you really want, you
can try out the one in backports (if you have that repo active)
954 [13:13:54] <winterflaw> nah, if it works for you, it
shouldn't be a version problem
955 [13:14:53] <winterflaw> I have to nap I'm afraid
956 [13:14:56] <winterflaw> just about asleep
957 [13:14:58] <winterflaw> back later
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1047 [14:47:50] <Abrax> k back
1048 [14:48:04] <joze> k
1049 [14:48:11] <joze> yes the k is here
1050 [14:48:20] <joze> i can confirm
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1057 [14:58:26] <otisolsen70> I noticed that in going from Debian
9 -> debian 10, the apache user
replaced-url
1058 [14:59:17] <quadrathoch2> otisolsen70 wouldn't it be
sufficient to use sudo -u
replaced-url
1059 [14:59:37] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, some of the stuff logs
in remotely using an SSH key and does stuff.
1060 [14:59:58] <otisolsen70> quadrathoch2, for example I have a
debian mirror. I have a build script that builds .deb files and
updates the mirror.
1061 [15:00:04] <otisolsen70> (just one example)
1062 [15:00:06] <valdyn> otisolsen70:
replaced-url
1063 [15:00:20] <quadrathoch2> yeah I would move that to another
user
1064 [15:00:33] <otisolsen70> valdyn, ok. So I should instead
create a dedicated user to this and make this user member of
replaced-url
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1067 [15:01:06] <otisolsen70> Or how do I ensure that both my user
can read/write to the files and apache can as well?
1068 [15:01:06] <joze> or chown -R ww.data agfter doing stuff
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1070 [15:01:27] <otisolsen70> joze, that is even worse, because
chown must be run by root.
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1072 [15:01:43] <joze> I am so sorry
1073 [15:01:51] <otisolsen70> joze, and also then I will have a
problem next time I am trying to update the files...
1074 [15:02:12] <valdyn> otisolsen70: your question is to
unspecific. It might aswell be that the files can be globally
readable.
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1078 [15:03:06] <otisolsen70> valdyn, for the debian mirror it is
fine to have the files globally readable. However, for some other
files apache must be able to write to the files. For example: web
applications that have an upload folder, etc.
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1083 [15:03:35] <joze> would't be sudoed
replaced-url
1084 [15:04:02] <joze> sudone
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1086 [15:05:06] <valdyn> otisolsen70: so create a group called
"upload" and put everyone needing to write there in it
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1091 [15:07:33] <otisolsen70> valdyn, so add
replaced-url
1092 [15:07:44] <valdyn> otisolsen70: yes
1093 [15:07:50] <otisolsen70> And have the folder 0770 and owned
by service_user:upload ?
1094 [15:08:01] <otisolsen70> valdyn, should work. Thanks!
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1099 [15:12:08] <joze> thist thing they tought us in linux class
was permission, but I skipped
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1101 [15:14:57] <winterflaw> quadrathoch2 - do you have qemu
installed? I think my script is falling over when it tests using
arch-test
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1103 [15:15:35] <winterflaw> I'm thinking to boot the MIPS
SBC and actually run deboostrap on it, itself
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1105 [15:15:40] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw so I tested it a little
myself (it was a while when I used it more often) and I forgot a
debootstrap option (which is --foreign)
1106 [15:16:10] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw the only issue I found
now myself is, I have no clue what kernel to install :/
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1109 [15:16:22] <quadrathoch2> as there is no mipsel generic
kernel one (it seems)
1110 [15:18:16] <winterflaw> ah there we go
1111 [15:18:18] <winterflaw> now it makes sense
1112 [15:18:28] <winterflaw> the --help info doesn't list
--foreign
1113 [15:18:37] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw man does ;)
1114 [15:18:43] <winterflaw> but it makes sense and it is needed -
on my laptop I can download all the packages
1115 [15:18:46] <winterflaw> but I can't run them
1116 [15:18:55] <winterflaw> foreign will mean I do the first
stages only
1117 [15:18:56] <winterflaw> which is correct
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1119 [15:19:07] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw the weird part is, why
does it work then on my system? oO I mean i use an amd64 system
1120 [15:19:14] <winterflaw> I then need to complete debootstrap
on an actual mips device
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1122 [15:19:37] <winterflaw> so I have my insane card reader
problem, you have your insane debootstrap problem :-)
1123 [15:19:45] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw you could theoretically
install qemu-user-static copy over the binary and then use your
laptop
1124 [15:19:58] <winterflaw> yes
1125 [15:20:13] <winterflaw> but I have Debian 8 running on the
mipsel SBC
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1127 [15:20:17] <winterflaw> might be easier
1128 [15:20:25] <quadrathoch2> okay ;)
1129 [15:20:49] <winterflaw> however, the question about the
kernel is a good one
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1132 [15:22:42] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw the weird part is, I
can't find anything about it, and if I want to emulate a mipsel
device in qemu, it literally asks me not for an iso but kernel
initrd etc
1133 [15:23:13] <winterflaw> I've never used qemu - but I can
understand it's being very strange :-)
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1136 [15:23:41] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw ahh I found it I think,
could you tell me what sbc you got?
1137 [15:23:59] <quadrathoch2> i'm dumb, found the info, but
didn't make the connection
1138 [15:24:22] <winterflaw> it's called a "ci20"
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1140 [15:25:13] <epony> Abrax, can you stop spamming invites?
1141 [15:25:27] <winterflaw> longer name "Creator CI20"
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1147 [15:29:34] <winterflaw> I've found a long and involved
guide here (replaced-url
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1150 [15:34:44] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw honestly it's not
hard, the only issue I find is, which kernel to use. the weird part
the elinux tutorial is not using a kernel oO
1151 [15:35:28] <quadrathoch2> second one meantions that it's
a malta cpu architecture, but not 100% on that
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1153 [15:36:47] <winterflaw> it's not hard if it works :-) it
looks long and complex enough that it will not work
1154 [15:38:00] <winterflaw> it's important to know your own
limits :-)
1155 [15:38:01] <quadrathoch2> nah, it will work, but if the
elinux wiki is up2date we have another issue, (as the last working
kernel is 3.18?)
1156 [15:39:10] <winterflaw> that sounds about right - the owning
company broke itself up and sold most of itself to a Chinese
investor when Apple stopped using its chipsets for graphics
1157 [15:39:19] <winterflaw> they dropped support/work on the
board
1158 [15:39:36] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw but sadly that's
what happens with most sbc (even today) that's why I am only
buying raspberry pis, as they upstream all of it
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1160 [15:40:24] <winterflaw> I *think* I can apt-get
update/upgrade/dist-upgrade from 8 to 9 to 10, but the board itself
uses a type of NAND which just isn't reliable and you
can't actuall upgrade in practise - the board borks itself
before you succeed
1161 [15:40:42] <winterflaw> very much so - but I want MIPS as a
platform
1162 [15:40:58] <nvz> winterflaw: for what?
1163 [15:41:12] <winterflaw> platform independent lock-free data
structure library
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1165 [15:41:22] <winterflaw> for compile, test and benchmark
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1167 [15:42:00] <winterflaw> it's not that I particularly
love MIPS, but rather having as many platforms as possible is
desirable for test
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1169 [15:42:20] * nvz shrugs
1170 [15:42:50] <nvz> only mips device I have is a Netgear
WNR3500Lv2
1171 [15:43:11] <nvz> $15 on ebay
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1173 [15:44:16] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw I guess you would need
to stay on debian8 if you really want to use that device, as
I'm sure, debian10 wouldn't work with 3.18 or even older
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1175 [15:44:44] <winterflaw> hmm interesting comment - one of the
guys in ci20 said he has 9 booting off SD card
1176 [15:44:48] <winterflaw> I wondered why he hadn't moved
to 10
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1181 [15:45:34] <winterflaw> nvz - bit big - it needs to be
something I can carry with me when I travel :-)
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1183 [15:46:02] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw in the forums, there was
a guy who compiled gentoo for that at the beginning of 19, with that
kernel. and after that gave up probably, as it gets harder and
harder
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1195 [15:55:20] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw so did you already fix
your other one (the x86 sbc?)
1196 [15:55:26] <winterflaw> well, te board is no longer supported
: I have to just take it as it is
1197 [15:55:45] <winterflaw> ah, yes - at the cost of loosing my
internal card reader :-)
1198 [15:56:26] <winterflaw> I turned off XFCE auto-mount and I
was finally able to mount the LVM volume, get the username and
overwrite the shadow passwd to a known password and so could then
SSH.
1199 [15:56:53] <winterflaw> however, the card used in that device
has rendered my internal card reader defunct with my current OS
1200 [15:57:04] <winterflaw> I paid 15 euro for an external
reader, which works
1201 [15:57:07] <winterflaw> crazy
1202 [15:57:15] <winterflaw> afk a few mins!
1203 [15:58:07] <quadrathoch2> winterflaw are you sure that your
reader is broken now? as in tested with a live usb for example if it
isn't just your install?
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1205 [15:59:50] <winterflaw> I may be wrong, but I think the
reader is physically fine
1206 [16:00:30] <winterflaw> but XFCE/Debian are confused, and in
a way which survives reboots, and which I cannot fix because even
when I insert the card, the machine thinks no card is present
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1208 [16:00:35] <winterflaw> (despite mounting a device)
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1214 [16:02:54] <lupulo> i have a problem installing impala
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1309 [17:20:06] <rapidwave> I'm just curious...why is debian
still a distro when Ubuntu has commercial support and is based on
debian?
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1312 [17:21:06] <darsie> debian is strictly about free software.
1313 [17:21:25] <darsie> It also differes in testing and release
cycle.
1314 [17:21:47] <darsie> I think debian is better for servers than
ubuntu.
1315 [17:22:13] <imMute> Ubuntu also makes changes on top of what
Debian ships.
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1322 [17:24:25] <PETURBG> eeee
1323 [17:24:41] <PETURBG> when run qemu vlan is not supprted
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1325 [17:27:12] <annadane> ...because it's been around since
1993 and people love it for its stability?
1326 [17:27:20] <annadane> like
1327 [17:27:25] <annadane> what a weird question
1328 [17:27:43] <annadane> plus a social contract and well defined
policy
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1330 [17:27:54] <annadane> plus not forcing snaps on people or
doing silly canonical things
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1340 [17:35:59] <mason> rapidwave: Simple answer everyone missed
Canonical would have to hire a ton of people to fill in for universe
and multiverse if Debian went away.
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1342 [17:36:23] <mason> Simple punctuation I missed:
s/missed/&./
1343 [17:37:48] <mason> Oh, maybe I've misunderstood
multiverse. But universe anyway.
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1345 [17:39:57] <rapidwave> So Ubuntu really is mostly branding
then?
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1347 [17:40:36] <mason> rapidwave: No, they do a bunch of
independent work for the supported portions, and they diverse pretty
widely in a couple areas. Ubuntu is mostly about enterprise support,
as I see it.
1348 [17:40:46] <rapidwave> Ahh
1349 [17:41:03] <rapidwave> So debian is not "stable"
for business....but Ubuntu is.
1350 [17:41:12] <ayekat> it's a bit like fedora/rhel, or
opensuse/sles, or... well, debian/ubuntu - though debian/ubuntu is a
bit less close, I guess
1351 [17:41:34] <mason> Debian is stable for business, but there
isn't a single commercial entity providing the sort of support
Canonical does. A ton of businesses use Debian heavily.
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1353 [17:41:57] <rapidwave> Problem with debian/based that I find
true is that we are spoiled. I ,at least, don't HAVE to learn
deeper understanding and configurations that real power users do
know.
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1355 [17:42:20] <mason> That goes even further afield...
1356 [17:42:27] <rapidwave> What do you mean?
1357 [17:42:56] <mason> Oh, alright, no, I missed the stress on
"don't HAVE to". No, it does a lot for the user.
1358 [17:43:10] <rapidwave> I just know that everytime I mention
Ubuntu to a user of a non-debian distro, they talk about having much
more control if they don't use debian/ubuntu
1359 [17:43:33] <mason> Many folks suggest erroneously that all
the hand-holding that's available means you can't do
intricate things, but you're not suggesting that.
1360 [17:43:42] <mason> Right, that. Erroneous.
1361 [17:43:43] <rapidwave> I'd prefer to know how everything
works. But it's also a lot of technical knowledge that is hard
to gain
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1364 [17:44:12] <rapidwave> Well..I do not know how to pull deeper
control from 'apt'
1365 [17:44:22] <rapidwave> Last I knew aptitude was deprecated.
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1367 [17:44:44] <rapidwave> And everytime I get told about the
right command to use to do a distro upgrade, I get a different
answer.
1368 [17:45:00] <rapidwave> Some say do-release-upgrade, some say
that is the worst way of doing it
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1370 [17:45:27] <mason> I don't think that exists for Debian.
But look at what it does and it'll become clear why it's a
safe recommendation for Ubuntu.
1371 [17:45:58] <rapidwave> So....are most of the packages for
Ubuntu actually debian packages?
1372 [17:46:13] <mason> Universe packages are.
1373 [17:46:28] <rapidwave> What is the difference between
Universe and Multi-verse?
1374 [17:47:06] <mason> I was thinking multiverse was equivalent
to non-free, but then I noted that Canonical adds some packages to
it, but I'm not sure. Universe is effectively Debian packaging.
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1383 [17:51:16] <Acheron> Debian, i think, i has higher
standards/requirements for package maintainers
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1385 [17:51:58] <mason> Sounds like FUD. Ubuntu does amazing work.
Many times they correct errors in packages that persist for years in
Debian.
1386 [17:52:13] <mason> There's really no need to trash
either one. The world is better for both Debian and Ubuntu existing.
1387 [17:52:17] <quadrathoch2> mason here is a short explanation
replaced-url
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1391 [17:53:31] <mason> quadrathoch2: Yar, but that doesn't
say for sure that multiverse maps to non-free.
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1394 [17:54:02] <quadrathoch2> mason oops, yeah you are right :/
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1399 [17:55:42] <mason> bbiab anyway
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1408 [18:03:22] <Laserburn> I used dd to create a duplicate of a
disk that was in an mdadm RAID-1 array before messing with the
original disk. The duplicate's partitions now have the same
UUID as the original disk. I want to later use the new disk in the
new RAID-1 array when I rebuild, but believe mdadm uses the UUIDs to
track which is which. Is there a way to generate a new UUID for each
partition without data loss?
1409 [18:04:07] <Laserburn> I'm currently booted to a live
USB with both disks fully unmounted
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1413 [18:06:52] <annadane> well i know uuidgen comes with debian
1414 [18:06:59] <annadane> i can't vouch for its safety
though
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1420 [18:11:54] <Laserburn> I went for it, tune2fs reprots bad
magic number in super-block while trying to open disk: contains a
linux_raid_member
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1427 [18:15:48] <bracham> Laserburn, if you're going to use
the new drive to replace the old drive, wouldn't it work best
if the UUID was the same?
1428 [18:16:50] <Laserburn> one of my disks failed, I'm
trashing that one...the one I mirrored from is going to remain in
the system, I just wanted to make sure the data was backed up before
proceeding, and want to use the backup in the array once I've
successfully booted from the remaining good disk
1429 [18:17:20] <bracham> ah ok i gotcha now
1430 [18:17:50] <Laserburn> yeah so I was able to build a single
device array with the new disk and mount the partitions, so I'm
good there now
1431 [18:18:04] <Laserburn> but it also now has the same UUID as
the good original disk
1432 [18:18:14] <Laserburn> I think that will be problematic
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1435 [18:21:04] <Laserburn> think I'm at a point now where I
want to boot from the still-good original, but it boots to a black
screen with a blinking cursor - as best I can tell, grub wasn't
in a good state on this disk and that's why it won't
boot...the bad disk must have been the one the computer was booting
from this whole time
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1437 [18:21:33] <bracham> oh that sucks
1438 [18:21:49] <Laserburn> I didn't realize both disks had
to have grub installed
1439 [18:22:34] <bracham> hmm. well raid1 is the basic backup
raid, isn't it?
1440 [18:22:53] <Laserburn> raid is not backup!
1441 [18:23:07] <Laserburn> mantras aside, yeah, it's 1+1
mirror
1442 [18:23:25] <bracham> data loss prevention?
1443 [18:26:17] <bracham> i haven't read enough about it to
know how to boot properly from a raid1 system. it does kinda make
sense that both drives be completely identical, with all grub / boot
data on both drives, as one drive would boot by default, but if it
failed the system would then boot off the good drive. i think...?
1444 [18:26:59] <tomreyn> software raid is often spun across
partitions, not raw disks
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1446 [18:27:43] <tomreyn> you can do either, but the latter would
prevent installing a boot loader in MBR, because there would be no
MBR
1447 [18:27:56] <tomreyn> (or no a separate partition, because
there would be no partitions)
1448 [18:28:41] <tomreyn> now the question is: what are oyu
working with there?
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1488 [18:54:17] <Laserburn> tomreyn: I'm booted to a GRML USB
disk
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1490 [18:55:35] <Laserburn> non-UEFI system
1491 [19:00:13] <tomreyn> Laserburn: and?
1492 [19:00:26] <Laserburn> lots of context above
1493 [19:00:50] <tomreyn> not enough
1494 [19:00:56] <Laserburn> one of the drives my mdadm RAID-1
array failed, system boots up to blinking cursor on black screen
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1496 [19:01:33] <Laserburn> I used dd to create a duplicate of the
remaining disk using GRML USB boot disk
1497 [19:01:33] <tomreyn> i read what you wrote here during the
past hour, but i didn't read what you didn't write.
1498 [19:02:07] <Laserburn> I'm trying to figure out why I
can't boot from the remaining good disk
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1501 [19:02:44] <tomreyn> how are you device layers set up? on the
bottom, there will be two physical storages, i assume, then
somewhere above that you have some software raid. what's in
between?
1502 [19:02:53] <Laserburn> just created an array and mounted it,
checked /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and it refers to the UUID of the
remaining good disk, from what I can tell
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1506 [19:03:34] <Laserburn> 1 ext4 partition on each physical
disk, which are each members of the mdadm RAID-1 array
1507 [19:04:01] <tomreyn> ext4 is a file system. a file system is
not a backend for an mdadm raid.
1508 [19:04:28] <Laserburn> when you create an mdadm array, you
create it using file systems
1509 [19:04:35] <tomreyn> no
1510 [19:04:48] <Laserburn> partitions
1511 [19:04:56] <tomreyn> that's an option, yes
1512 [19:04:59] <Laserburn> they are ext4 partitions, I'm not
sure what' controversial about that
1513 [19:05:05] <Laserburn> anyway
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1515 [19:06:10] <tomreyn> ext4 is a file system, partitions are
sections of a partition table, which can contain other layers such
as file systems OR mdadm RAID devices. there are no "ext4
partitions"
1516 [19:06:26] <Laserburn> gotcha
1517 [19:06:44] <Laserburn> so I guess the layers are physical
disk > partition > mdadm array > file system
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1519 [19:07:23] <tomreyn> so you have a partition table on this
disk. which one is it? an mbr/msdos or GPT partition table?
1520 [19:07:46] <tomreyn> fdisk -l can tell
1521 [19:08:11] <tomreyn> parted -ls, too
1522 [19:08:55] <PsynoKhi0> hi, tyring to wrap my head around a
frsh buster install where a static ifup service unit that keeps
messing up my IP configuration, the unit keeps poking dhclient that
send DHCP requests and I'm not quite sure if masking the
service is the correct (i.e. no side effects) way
1523 [19:09:13] <Laserburn> it's gpt
1524 [19:09:19] <Laserburn> wait no
1525 [19:09:22] <PsynoKhi0> trying* (great start... typo on the
second word)
1526 [19:09:30] <Laserburn> sorry, that's a different array -
this one is msdos
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1529 [19:10:37] <tomreyn> Laserburn: so we're slooowly
approaching the complete summary you should have had before you
stated working on this (or getting help with it, if you could gather
it yourself)
1530 [19:10:53] <tomreyn> Laserburn: which other partitions are
there?
1531 [19:11:17] <Laserburn> just a 4g swap
1532 [19:11:34] <tomreyn> Laserburn: the one partition you're
saying contains the mdadm RAID device - does it have more layers in
between the partition and the raid device?
1533 [19:11:46] <Laserburn> the main partition has flags: boot,
raid
1534 [19:11:48] <Laserburn> type: primary
1535 [19:13:14] <tomreyn> and this main partition contains a full
debian installation (ignoring the fact that it's just a single
device out of a RAID-1 array)?
1536 [19:13:25] <Laserburn> yes
1537 [19:13:45] <PsynoKhi0> (side note: the installer asking if it
should use dhcp at all would be nice)
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1539 [19:14:14] <tomreyn> Laserburn: so it must have more layers
on top of the raid layer, file systems and others, such as LVM?
which ones are there?
1540 [19:14:34] <Laserburn> there's no LVM, it's an ext4
partition
1541 [19:15:05] <tomreyn> i already told you there are no
"ext4 partitons"
1542 [19:15:23] <tomreyn> maybe it's a single ext4 file
system on top of the raid-1
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1545 [19:15:29] <Laserburn> yeah
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1547 [19:16:01] <tomreyn> "yeah maybe", or "yeah,
that's exactly how it is"?
1548 [19:16:11] <Laserburn> yeah, that is exactly how it is
1549 [19:16:28] <tomreyn> yeay, details
1550 [19:17:02] <Laserburn> yeah, we already went over that above
1551 [19:17:27] <tomreyn> so you have this single raid device and
want to reconstruct the raid array by re-comnbining it with a
different storage, to serve as the second mandatory raid device in
this raid-1 array?
1552 [19:18:09] <Laserburn> eventually yes, that part I am sure I
can handle as I have many times before - the problem is, I
can't boot from the remaining good member successfully right
now
1553 [19:18:32] <tomreyn> and you already seemed to have
understood whyy that is
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1556 [19:19:22] <tomreyn> grub or a proper version of grub does
not seem to be installed on the MBR of this disk at this time.
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1558 [19:20:11] <Laserburn> I thought that was the case, but when
I create the array and mount the file system in the live USB
environment, /boot/grub is there, and grub.cfg looks like it refers
to the UUID of this disk
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1562 [19:23:57] <tomreyn> the boot loader always needs to be
stored outside of software RAID (there are some dirty hacks you
could use to store it within it but that's not something
i'd recommend)
1563 [19:24:09] <tomreyn> so it's not mirrored across the
disks automatically
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1566 [19:25:52] <Laserburn> do you think grub-install could handle
that with things as they currently are?
1567 [19:26:00] <tomreyn> /boot/grub is not the MBR but the
location where the grub configuration file (amongst other) is
stored. in the grub-mbr scenario the grub bootloader sitting in the
mbr loads this configuration file from this file system (which is
apparently the / (root) file system which is on top of the raid
array in your case)
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1571 [19:27:23] <tomreyn> you'd need bring up the array (with
a failed disk if needed), then chroot into the existing
installation, then grub-install to the MBR
1572 [19:27:54] <tomreyn> may need to update-grub and maybe to
update-initramfs as well (if different hardwarE).
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1574 [19:28:27] <Laserburn> ok, going to give it a shot
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1577 [19:29:59] <tomreyn> alternatively oyu could just see if you
can boot it from the grub menu you have on the bootable usb. but
this will only work if it's a compatible grub variant with
sufficient modules
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1579 [19:30:55] <tomreyn> i mean grub CLI, not menu
1580 [19:31:13] <Laserburn> I'll try the chroot method
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1583 [19:35:38] <Laserburn> hrm, weirdness:
/usr/sbin/grub-install: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub
(is /dev mounted?).
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1585 [19:36:46] <Laserburn> dev/ doesn't have any sata disks
in it, rather a bunch of ram disks
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1606 [19:58:54] <bracham> Laserburn, you're booted to USB,
right? you'll need to mount the drive you're wanting to
install grub on
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1610 [20:00:16] <bracham> i've had to use this a couple times
to fix grub after a windows install or update, and it might not be
perfect for your problem but should be close:
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1611 [20:01:32] <Laserburn> those are the steps I tried, but
update/install grub fails, I think because the disk isn't in
/dev when I'm in the chroot
1612 [20:01:47] <Laserburn> I'm not sure why that is
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1617 [20:05:19] <bracham> hmm...every time i've followed
those steps to the letter (slight error though in the "for
i...unmount" line, it works perfect
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1649 [20:34:33] <BiafraJello> interesting on one machine I can
youtube-dl -U but not on another, I believe both are package
installs
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1651 [20:36:21] <coruja> should not be a matter of belief but of
evidence
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1654 [20:37:22] <BiafraJello> actually their identical installs
1655 [20:37:29] <BiafraJello> cloned
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1687 [21:03:18] <asarch> This morning when I started up the blind
printer server it hanged up, after several tries now I get
"fsck.ext2: Input/output error while trying to open
/dev/mapper/lucy-home"
1688 [21:04:14] <asarch> This is the output of smartctl -t long
/dev/sdc:
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1689 [21:06:30] <asarch> Which one should I use? "e2fsck -b
8193 <device>" or "e2fsck -b 32768
<device>"?
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1754 [22:41:34] <tatsumaru> hey guys, I seem to have a problem. my
user is already in group sudo and I rebooted the machine, but I
still get username is not in sudoers file. any ideas?
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1757 [22:44:14] <n4dir> !sudo
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1759 [22:45:00] <n4dir> hmm. i'd assume you have to use
"visudo" as root and edit the sudoers file, but what
exactly to add there depends on what you want.
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1761 [22:46:07] <tatsumaru> fixed it I am an idiot - I had deleted
the % by mistake
1762 [22:46:09] <tatsumaru> thanks
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1770 [22:52:48] <Azrael_-> hi
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eir
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1775 [22:54:54] <bigfluff> Hello
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1777 [22:56:31] <Azrael_-> i've got 2 machines with identical
"locale" output and have the same timezone. but on one
machine the date output is e.g. 10pm, the other one is 22
o'clock. locale is configured to "en_US.UTF-8" for
everything. how can i get the first machine to also always use the
24h-format?
1778 [22:57:59] <Azrael_-> the only obivous difference: the one
with current 24h output is debian 8, the other is debian 9
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1797 [23:16:55] <quadrathoch2> Azrael_- could you give us the
output of localectl? (maybe on both?)
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1799 [23:17:04] <quadrathoch2> on paste.debian.net
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1801 [23:18:52] <quadrathoch2> Azrael_- if I remember correctly 8
should have no localectl, so it's just locale
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1811 [23:29:41] <zu22> Running Buster with up to date package
definitions. I need to install 32-bit libgdbm-dev in 64-bit Debian.
I tried 'apt install libgdbm-dev:i386' and it complains it
can't find such a package. Any solution?
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1815 [23:31:51] <HarryChen> dpkg --add-architecture i386
1816 [23:31:51] * dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new gothic
palace
1817 [23:31:55] <hussar> mpv and vlc are giving a segmentation
fault. what's going on?
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1819 [23:32:21] <hussar> XD
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1821 [23:33:18] <zu22> HarryChen: Thanks I'll try that.
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1841 [23:51:14] <annadane> hussar, have you tried strace or
starting and running them with the terminal so you get error
messages?
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1846 [23:54:37] <Azrael_-> quadrathoch2: sorry for the delay:
replaced-url
1847 [23:54:55] <Azrael_-> localectl worked on both
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1852 [23:57:39] <Enissay> What is the default ftp service used for
debain ?
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1855 [23:58:05] <Enissay> all the sudden my ftp is unreachable yet
my ssh is still
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1857 [23:58:25] <ectospasm> Enissay: is your ftp service still
running?
1858 [23:58:45] <ectospasm> Not sure if there's a
"default" ftp service, don't think it's
installed in the base Debian system.
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1861 [23:59:05] <dvs> ectospasm, in base Debian, I doubt it
1862 [23:59:52] <ectospasm> dvs: me too
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