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16[00:09:17] <hexadecimal> computer: what is package update? did you mean apt-get?
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19[00:11:21] <user1234> Where can I see how many users Debian has?
20[00:11:34] <cobalt-red> user1234: as in, on your server?
21[00:11:49] <cobalt-red> "w" works pretty well.
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24[00:12:10] <cobalt-red> it would tell you who everyone is and what they're doing.
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28[00:12:41] <petemc> getent passwd
29[00:12:45] <user1234> cobalt-red: No, how many users who have installed Debian on their computer, or how many are updating Debian (downloading security updates) -- is there no such page?
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33[00:13:16] <DoctorD90> hello!! Im going to sleep..so maybe I will read tomorrow the answer if anyone knows it: I have 150MB. I would like to create an iso file (dd if=/dev/zero of=test.iso bs=1k count=$XXX && mkfs.ext4 test.iso) with an ext4 filesystem, that can contain 150MB...my "doubt" is the space required for ext4 filesystem...how may calculate the total? or better, the space required from ext4? total=EXT4+150MB ??
34[00:13:19] <petemc> user1234: thats not available, not should it be
35[00:13:26] <petemc> nor
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37[00:13:49] <DoctorD90> or..just that Im ...total=LUKS+ext4+150MB ? ...
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39[00:14:12] <awal1> user1234, why you are interested on that?
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41[00:14:16] <petemc> iso cant be ext4
42[00:14:32] <cobalt-red> user1234: no.
43[00:14:48] <DoctorD90> petemc, sorry. I use ISO improperly. I mean blockdevice :)
44[00:14:55] <petemc> ok
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46[00:15:46] <ThoughtDispenser> DoctorD90: Do you also count space for metadata?
47[00:15:52] <petemc> ext4 overhead probably easily searched
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50[00:16:14] <DoctorD90> user1234, replaced-url
51[00:16:20] <awal1> around 7 billions people in the world, user1234, like 6 billions uses debian :P
52[00:16:39] <DoctorD90> Just googled now :) maybe is what you are looking for :)
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54[00:17:07] <DoctorD90> awal1, 1billions the other? XD ...pretty too much belong to me :P
55[00:17:14] <DoctorD90> ThoughtDispenser, I havent gotcha :)
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57[00:18:05] <peterrooney> user1234: there is no requirement to report to anyone if I install debian on one machine or one thousand in my home or in my workplace, and there's no way for anyone outside to know.
58[00:18:54] <DoctorD90> ThoughtDispenser, petemc with du -hs FOLDER, I gotcha the space of folder (let's say 150MB). How many large should I do a blockdevice to use LUKSwith ext4 inside LUKS to get the (more or less)('more') of 150MB of free space?
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60[00:19:32] <peterrooney> user1234: it's common in larger organizations to have one machine grab the updates for all other machines.
61[00:19:40] <awal1> DoctorD90, :P I just don't understand why that guy is interested in such statistics; sounds like weird for me...
62[00:20:01] <ThoughtDispenser> DoctorD90: I don't really know the exact amount, I just pointed out you need to also count space for metadata
63[00:20:26] <DoctorD90> awal1, ah ok xD it was a simply joke xD I thougth it was a "debian rocks" :P btw...I understand..maybe same research :)
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65[00:20:44] <DoctorD90> and metadata would be ? (for example?)
66[00:20:46] <ThoughtDispenser> DoctorD90: Btrfs gives pretty good info when creating FS, but ext4 I dunno
67[00:20:55] <ThoughtDispenser> DoctorD90: like modification date
68[00:20:59] <DoctorD90> uhm....
69[00:21:04] <DoctorD90> ah! gotcha
70[00:21:19] <DoctorD90> but im on a ext4. du should not count it too?
71[00:21:34] <ThoughtDispenser> Du should not count it, AFAIK
72[00:22:22] <DoctorD90> .....or maybe not...my download folder is 158gb according to du, against 167gb of nautilus...or any kind of name has the default window manager of gnome..i forgot it..
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74[00:22:35] <DoctorD90> uhm...this is a problem...uff...
75[00:22:44] <ThoughtDispenser> DoctorD90: well, that may be different issue Mib vs MB
76[00:22:52] <ThoughtDispenser> DoctorD90: MiB vs MB *
77[00:23:15] <DoctorD90> ThoughtDispenser, no....just tested...divided for 1000 and 1024...they dismatch...
78[00:23:24] <mtcj_> I use apt-cache-ng and am pretty happy with it
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80[00:23:55] <ThoughtDispenser> DoctorD90: Ok, I think you can tweak ext4 when creating FS, how big the space for metadata should be
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82[00:24:02] <ThoughtDispenser> DoctorD90: Thats all I know
83[00:24:46] <DoctorD90> ThoughtDispenser, thx :) but this would be of great help unfortunatly :( ...i should find out another way to accomplish my task :)
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86[00:25:20] <ThoughtDispenser> DoctorD90: try "man mkfs.ext4"
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88[00:25:45] <DoctorD90> yea....probably it is the only one choose...I hoped in 1 ext4-guru online :P
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91[00:27:11] <ThoughtDispenser> Hello everyone, how can I configure postfix MTA to bounce for non-existing users but still keep the message?
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106[00:33:16] <Howdy> Folks, running Debian 8/xen & in I have windows 10 vm I access thru VNC but I cannot set the resolution in windows more then 1280 x 1024
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109[00:33:44] <Howdy> & in it I have windows 10 VM...*correction*
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111[00:33:55] <Howdy> any ideas?
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132[00:46:58] <dStruct> anyone here have Cuda working with something close to a nVidia GT218M/NVS3100 ?
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138[00:50:30] <sn0wmonster> what's a good MySQL client to use?
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140[00:50:49] <sn0wmonster> I am very comfortable with PHPMyAdmin but i don't want to run a webserver on the host machine just for that purpose
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143[00:51:36] <dStruct> sn0wmonster: so run it remotely, it's safer that way?
144[00:51:59] <sn0wmonster> so have PHPMyAdmin connect to a remote machine basically?
145[00:52:08] <sn0wmonster> Me > PHPMyAdmin server > SQL server?
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149[00:53:30] <winsen> hi all
150[00:53:32] <dStruct> sn0wmonster: yes, there are multiple ways of going about it, VPN, SSH, etc depending on how you want to connect but it's not too complicated to do
151[00:53:45] <sn0wmonster> great
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153[00:54:13] <dStruct> sn0wmonster: you do still have to run a webserver but it doesn't have to be on the SQL production box
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155[00:54:42] <Howdy> guys how do I get my windows 10 VM to run full screen / full res ?
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157[00:54:53] <Howdy> running Debian 8
158[00:54:55] <Howdy> with xen
159[00:55:24] <dStruct> sn0wmonster: in my setups I would typically do (master webserver + phpmyadmin) <-> (db master) <-> (reverse proxy/cache frontends) <-> (firewalls)
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161[00:55:44] <sn0wmonster> that sounds pretty good for me too, thanks mate
162[00:55:51] <dStruct> sn0wmonster: anytime, good luck
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165[00:56:51] <Howdy> Is there good easy guide for pci pass thru using xen /debian 8?
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216[01:28:14] <bmomjian> I just mkfs'ed my root partition and on boot I see this error, though it still boots: fsck error 2 no such file or directory while executing fsck.ext4
217[01:28:33] <bmomjian> any idea on the cause? the UUID if the file system changed but I updated /etc/fstab
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223[01:30:19] <bmomjian> I changed the file system type from ext3 to ext4 and updated fstab too
224[01:30:20] <nkuttler> bmomjian: you created a new root filesystem? did you copy over all files?
225[01:30:20] <tomreyn> bmomjian: fsck.ext4, the ext4 file system check utility, would have been called during boot to ensure the file system is in a consistent state.
226[01:30:54] <bmomjian> right, and I see the output of fsck on the device _below_ it, but I still see that error line
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228[01:31:02] <bmomjian> yes, I coped over all the files
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230[01:31:28] <bmomjian> The steps are here: replaced-url
231[01:31:38] <bmomjian> boots fine, which is good. :-)
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234[01:31:45] <bmomjian> obviously something else needs changing
235[01:31:49] <bmomjian> I updated /etc/blkid
236[01:32:18] <tomreyn> mount /mnt/root /dev/sda1
237[01:32:18] <tomreyn> mount /mnt/archive /dev/sdb1
238[01:32:27] <tomreyn> ^ wrong order isnt it
239[01:32:39] <bmomjian> uh, didn't matter
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242[01:33:28] <bmomjian> this is a boot error I am seeing; If I do fsck -n /dev/sda1, it works fine
243[01:33:36] <bmomjian> though does nothing because it is mounted and I used -n
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247[01:34:27] <bmomjian> actually, it looks like this: replaced-url
248[01:34:29] <bmomjian> reading now
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251[01:35:38] <Howdy> Guys, I am kinda lost & googling is not helping
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253[01:35:57] <bmomjian> I found the error: replaced-url
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255[01:36:10] <Howdy> I am accessing my windows 10 VM thru Qemu/vnc & cannot full screen is there a easy fix?
256[01:36:12] <bmomjian> so that is what I see on boot
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268[01:40:23] <winsen> Where can I see if old version are still in life span? thanks
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271[01:42:25] <bmomjian> I put my fstab and blkid output here too: replaced-url
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274[01:43:54] <winsen> Is wheezy still stable or not?
275[01:44:19] <missmbob> no. jessie is
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289[01:56:24] <RoyK> winsen: wheezy is oldstable - works well, long term supported until may 2018, but I'd recommend jessie
290[01:56:55] <RoyK> WinstonSmith: replaced-url
291[01:57:09] <missmbob> you missed him
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296[02:03:09] <bmomjian> I am trying update-initramfs -u now
297[02:03:16] <bmomjian> based on this: replaced-url
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300[02:03:51] <bmomjian> hopefully the server will still boot
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302[02:04:07] <bmomjian> should I try rebooting now?
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304[02:04:14] <SarD_> hi
305[02:04:26] <SarD_> is it possible to get a deb package from a go binary ?
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308[02:05:13] <missmbob> i doubt anyone understood that
309[02:05:15] <missmbob> !es
310[02:05:15] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
311[02:05:17] <bmomjian> it kind of makes sense as the error message was stored in /run/initramfs/fsck.log
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316[02:07:42] <seoneal97> Sup, fellers.
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351[02:28:45] <nightdemon666> knock knock, anybody there?
352[02:29:01] <bazhang> yes
353[02:29:23] <nightdemon666> sweet, ready to answer a question bazhang?
354[02:29:37] <bazhang> thats a question
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356[02:29:59] <bazhang> ask the real one
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358[02:30:39] <nightdemon666> ha ha, i do have a question for you bazhang, im trying to get a dreamcast game running on nulldc running on wine on kali linux. its complaining about a libGL.so.1 file that it cant find
359[02:30:41] <nightdemon666> need help
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361[02:30:57] <missmbob> !kali
362[02:30:57] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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364[02:31:04] <missmbob> nightdemon666: wrong place. go there ^
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366[02:31:26] <nightdemon666> im woondering if i can symlink the lib.so.1 file form /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu to somewhere where nulldc is looking for it... maybe that would work?
367[02:31:35] <bazhang> #winehq as well nightdemon666
368[02:32:16] <nightdemon666> ok, perhaps i should join the winehq channel
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371[02:33:13] <seoneal97> qui
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380[02:36:59] <sunny1208> Hi :-)
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383[02:37:23] <sunny1208> is their any command like top just to watch network in-out?
384[02:37:33] <nightdemon666> iftop
385[02:37:58] <sunny1208> nope
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387[02:38:52] <sunny1208> hmm
388[02:39:08] <sunny1208> it nervs me since ... month
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390[02:39:21] <tx> yes
391[02:39:21] <tx> iftop
392[02:39:24] <missmbob> how is iftop not what you described as wanting?
393[02:40:21] <nightdemon666> i was pretty sure iftop was the number one answer
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406[02:45:06] <RoyK> nightdemon666: or good old iptraf
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456[03:10:53] <SarD_> I'm trying to get a deb package from a go compiled binary, is dh-golang the tool recommendable for that?
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458[03:13:37] <climjark> is it bad that i cant seem to find a desktop enviornment that i enjoy?
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462[03:15:16] <missmbob> it's not uncommon. if you need one pick the one you hate least.
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485[03:24:31] <kingkong> what can i use to edit swf files on wheezy?
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487[03:26:11] <bazhang> kingkong, re enocde it first
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490[03:26:58] <bazhang> ,v handbrake
491[03:26:59] <judd> Package: handbrake on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo7; wheezy-backports: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; stretch: 0.10.5+ds1-2; sid: 0.10.5+ds1-2+b1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.10.1-dmo3+1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.10.5-dmo3
492[03:26:59] <kingkong> encode will not ruin the file?
493[03:27:12] <bazhang> no
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495[03:27:47] <bazhang> handbbrak is the nice gui way to do it, ffmpeg is the cli
496[03:28:40] <kingkong> im on ssh. i will install handbreak
497[03:28:45] <kingkong> thx
498[03:29:01] <kingkong> how's swfmill?
499[03:29:42] <kingkong> i found it on some ubuntu response on web, maybe Debian has it too
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501[03:29:54] <bazhang> not good at all
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503[03:30:02] <bazhang> dont even bother
504[03:30:37] <bazhang> it's brake not break
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507[03:31:20] <kingkong> ah ok thanks. :d
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510[03:33:26] <Je55ie> hi there, why I can't find kernel 4.4.0 on kernel.org...
511[03:33:41] <Je55ie> 4.3 4.4.1 4.4.2
512[03:33:51] <Je55ie> 4.4.0 not found
513[03:34:15] <bazhang> why look there
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515[03:34:30] <bazhang> thats not how you get kernels in debian
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517[03:35:14] <kingkong> bazhang: i tried to install it but i got errors. replaced-url
518[03:35:30] <missmbob> Je55ie: jessie-backports has 4.6 if that's what you want. replaced-url
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520[03:36:07] <missmbob> ah deb-multimedia breakage
521[03:36:08] <bazhang> kingkong, install from where, using what command
522[03:36:10] <kingkong> its installed probably but dependencies couldnt? errors meaning that?
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525[03:37:19] <kingkong> bazhang: i copied on my paste link. apt-get install
526[03:37:33] <kingkong> as root
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531[03:38:30] <Je55ie> missmbob: no, I'd like to compile the old kernel not latest one
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533[03:39:08] <missmbob> Je55ie: so what's your problem? replaced-url
534[03:39:39] <missmbob> Je55ie: see this as well replaced-url
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538[03:41:26] <Je55ie> missmbob: I got a kernel config , and that's 4.4.0, so I think maybe 4.4.0 is good, I'm newbie about compiling kernel
539[03:41:49] <missmbob> Je55ie: so read the handbook guide i linked you to
540[03:41:54] <Je55ie> missmbob: what file `make menuconfig` will make?
541[03:42:07] <missmbob> eventually .config
542[03:42:12] <Je55ie> ok
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544[03:43:03] <Je55ie> download the same version kernel code, and mv the config file to .config
545[03:43:18] <missmbob> sure. then make oldconfig
546[03:43:19] <Je55ie> that should be no problem I think
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548[03:44:39] <Je55ie> missmbob: make oldconfig is necessary? if I got the .config from others
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550[03:44:57] <missmbob> yes
551[03:45:01] <Je55ie> make oldconfig will read the current system's config ?
552[03:45:52] <missmbob> no. it'll read the .config you copied. and if there are any needed changes it'll warn you
553[03:46:16] <Je55ie> missmbob: ok, I see, thanks
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558[03:50:02] <Je55ie> missmbob: when the compiling is done, do I need copy all the stuff to another PC for installing kernel and modules in that PC?
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560[03:50:19] <Je55ie> or just copy kernel and modules files will be ok?
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562[03:50:26] <missmbob> Je55ie: no. you read the guide i sent you.
563[03:50:39] <Je55ie> ok
564[03:50:43] <missmbob> it'll make the kernel into a deb package
565[03:50:52] <missmbob> then copy that and dpkg -i foo.deb
566[03:51:31] <Je55ie> I mean there's a common way? not just for debian, I mean one way can work on most distro
567[03:51:35] <Je55ie> s
568[03:52:09] <missmbob> sure. pain in the ass and i only support debian. you can ask ##linux to walk you through the non-debian way
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571[03:52:45] <Je55ie> 'pain in the ass'...
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576[03:53:55] <Je55ie> compile kernel is really killing time and machine
577[03:54:14] <missmbob> and it's usually completely pointless
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580[03:55:32] <Je55ie> yes, it is. but I got some devices that common kernel don't recogniz, that make me have to compile it
581[03:57:49] <Je55ie> what's the kernel version on debian stable? mine is 3.16...
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583[03:58:17] <missmbob> that's what it is unless you use jessie-backports which has 4.6
584[03:58:22] <Je55ie> I installed jessie half a year ago, it's 3.16
585[03:58:39] <missmbob> that's because once stable nothing changes but security and serious bug fixes
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588[03:58:59] <missmbob> thus the jessie-backports offer for those who need something newer
589[03:59:17] <Je55ie> but I heard 3.xxx have lots of problems
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591[03:59:34] <Je55ie> special power stuff
592[03:59:42] <missmbob> it does. again, thus backports
593[03:59:56] <Je55ie> ...
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595[04:00:25] <missmbob> fucking destroy your btrfs too if you're not careful
596[04:00:50] <Je55ie> lol, I don't use btrfs
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632[04:23:56] <ordinate> something weird happened
633[04:24:25] <ordinate> i installed 8.5 on my comp on a seperate partition
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635[04:24:30] <ordinate> and i booted into GRUB
636[04:24:38] <ordinate> and windows boot manager was gone
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704[05:20:46] <bmomjian> FYI, the update-initramfs -u fixed the boot error message.
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708[05:23:27] <ordinate> thanks
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721[05:31:32] <prettysox> replaced-url
722[05:32:00] <themill> prettysox: still the wrong channel
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729[05:33:02] <ordinate> well that just sorta happened
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742[05:38:20] <win32user> Hi, i am trying to get debian but every link i find CD 1 of 12
743[05:38:29] <win32user> i dont want to burn 12 cds for 1 OS :s
744[05:38:32] <ordinate> go to the official website
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746[05:38:37] <ordinate> and use a usb stick instead
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748[05:38:58] <win32user> with 13isos?
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750[05:39:15] <ordinate> no just the one
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752[05:39:24] <themill> win32user: you only need CD1 just like the documentation and the download pages say
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759[05:44:54] <win32user> which one should i get for virtualbox 64bit
760[05:44:58] <win32user> i so confusion :(
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762[05:45:09] <ordinate> amd64
763[05:45:30] <win32user> just cd1?
764[05:45:51] <ordinate> yeah
765[05:47:17] <jmcnaught> win32user: during the installation you will configure a network mirror of the Debian archive, so packages can be downloaded on the fly. you only need more than one disc if the computer doesn't have networking
766[05:47:48] <win32user> thanks that makes little more sense
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768[05:48:04] <jmcnaught> win32user: the install manual is pretty great too by the way: replaced-url
769[05:48:18] <win32user> and dvd1 would obviously have alot more than cd1 which in turn wouldnt need to download as much?
770[05:48:45] <jmcnaught> win32user: most people use the ~250 MB netinst image
771[05:48:49] <win32user> thanks jmcnaught i have installed linux before (debian too) but a LOOONG time ago, just didnt know why there wouldve been soo many iso lol
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775[05:49:57] <jmcnaught> win32user: at the very least look at the table of contents for the install manual, so you know where to look if you don't understand something in the installer
776[05:51:45] <sunny1208> mine internet socks
777[05:52:22] <sunny1208> and i M AN ASHOLE
778[05:52:32] <sunny1208> so I ask
779[05:52:47] <sunny1208> besides if I can love monsterman
780[05:53:03] <sunny1208> why is the linux coumminity so enemy?
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782[05:53:48] <sunny1208> I m real anewbie in this questions
783[05:53:58] <sunny1208> I love peace
784[05:54:07] <sunny1208> and planet
785[05:54:09] *** Quits: monoxane (~monoxane@replaced-ip) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
786[05:54:18] <sunny1208> but I m no crazy activist
787[05:54:24] <sunny1208> maybe lol*
788[05:54:27] <sunny1208> again
789[05:54:41] <sunny1208> why is the Linux community that devila nad hell?
790[05:54:55] <jmcnaught> sunny1208: perhaps you are looking for ##chat? or do you have a Debian technical question?
791[05:55:30] <sunny1208> yes
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793[05:55:51] <sunny1208> is it possibel to ad xrandr command static
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796[05:56:05] <sunny1208> so at new boot screens are cool?
797[05:56:52] <sunny1208> I googlet a lot
798[05:56:52] <sunny1208> I goz almosz no friends
799[05:57:05] <beatdown> Heh
800[05:57:26] <sunny1208> and I read RTFM
801[05:57:26] <sunny1208> Dont you know mine name?
802[05:57:47] <sunny1208> I love David Bowie
803[05:57:47] <sunny1208> NO Sorry lol*
804[05:57:57] <sunny1208> so what is with xrandr?
805[05:58:04] <sunny1208> Debian 8.0?
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807[05:58:29] <sunny1208> and hunters
808[05:58:41] <sunny1208> no way!
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810[05:59:01] <sunny1208> I life in the woods
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812[05:59:04] <sunny1208> love it
813[05:59:19] <jmcnaught> sunny1208: if you need help with xrandr then please ask a detailed question so that people can help you. Also please keep on the topic of Debian technical support.
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815[05:59:22] <sunny1208> mine I net ist most time shit sorry
816[05:59:37] <sunny1208> socketguru
817[05:59:51] <beatdown> Is this dude wasted?
818[05:59:53] <sunny1208> sorry
819[06:00:02] <sunny1208> I talk native kind of german#
820[06:00:19] <sunny1208> no this dude
821[06:00:23] <sunny1208> got time
822[06:00:33] <sunny1208> maybe
823[06:01:02] <sunny1208> sorry off topic
824[06:01:07] <sunny1208> peace people
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826[06:02:15] <sunny1208> Im 75 years
827[06:02:23] <sunny1208> and I say what I want
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831[06:02:54] <sunny1208> Most times :-)
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835[06:03:28] <ordinate> shhh
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934[07:21:59] <Drzacek> Hi. I have few questions about LiveCDs. What are the main differences between liveCD and a system I get with normal install? Is the live OS somehow lesser/restricted?
935[07:22:22] <iKarith> This is relevant to my interests. :)
936[07:22:28] <missmbob> live cd is a pain in the ass. no uefi support. regular has it
937[07:23:45] <iKarith> Drzacek: There's a few things. First of all, a live installation has to run from a read-only filesystem. That creates a number of challenges, but the ways of dealing with them are fairly well known at this point.
938[07:24:53] <Drzacek> iKarith, oh, why is that? I thought I could burn it to pendrive
939[07:25:17] <somiaj> iKarith: a live cd runs in ram (since a cd doesn't have read/write privlages). This has some advantanges compared to a traditional install.
940[07:25:25] <somiaj> Drzacek: ^^
941[07:25:29] <somiaj> iKarith: bad tab completion.
942[07:25:37] <iKarith> Drzacek: Second, you normally would run through the Debian installer and make a bunch of choices about where files go, what packages to install, how to configure the system, timezones, keyboard and language settings, etc. All done with the installer normally, but on a live system it's got to either detect stuff or have reasonable defaults.
943[07:25:41] <Drzacek> Oh, thats a bummer. So I can't use that thing.
944[07:26:03] <iKarith> Drzacek: You can, but a live system was meant originally for CD and later DVD, so it's still built the same way.
945[07:26:33] <Drzacek> well, my real question/problem is - how to get debian installed to CF card and make it bootable
946[07:26:56] <jelly> Drzacek: first, can your hardware boot from CF at all?
947[07:27:01] <iKarith> Drzacek: You can also install Debian to an external device the old fashioned way, and even set it up to do some of the auto-detection stuff so it's portable, but being properly installed to a read-write media.
948[07:27:03] <Drzacek> Since I tried installing few times already (with different partitioning) without success, I thought about alternatives like Live image
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950[07:27:36] <Drzacek> jelly, I wrote the install iso (first netinstall, then normal DVD iso) to CF card and the installation started from CF nicely
951[07:28:02] <missmbob> how did you write the iso?
952[07:29:03] <Drzacek> dd
953[07:29:28] <iKarith> The reason why Debian live stuff is relevant to my interests is that a project I've taken over works with Debian virtualbox appliances. The project previously just went through the effort of installing Debian on that and then customized the VM with our stuff. Consequently, we did the same thing for Raspbian because the stuff can also be run on a Raspberry Pi, with the added step that we would then cook the
954[07:29:30] <jelly> Drzacek: that means it may be booting as a hard disk, or it may be booting in cd emulation mode
955[07:29:31] <iKarith> installed system a little and rebuild a NOOBS OS bundle for idiot-proof installation.
956[07:30:25] <iKarith> As I take this project over, I discover that the Raspberry Pi folks are now sharing their build scripts with the world which will make our job easier, and the process is very much like how you build a Debian live image.
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958[07:30:40] <iKarith> So: Relevant to my interests. :)
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960[07:31:59] <jelly> Drzacek: one thing to note is you _can't_ install to the same device you booted the installer from
961[07:32:14] <jelly> (at least, not with debian-installer itself)
962[07:32:17] <Drzacek> jelly, it was somehow obvious to me
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970[07:35:10] <Drzacek> I don't think that standard, normal installation to cf card/pendrive is enough. Shouldn't there be some extra steps to make it bootable?
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973[07:35:40] <brallan> Hi guys. I am trying to set my default Japanese font but I can not. I use this file replaced-url
974[07:36:01] <iKarith> The process (and it's one you might use yourself depending on what you're ultimately trying to accomplish) is basically that you use debootstrap to build a minimal base chroot (essentially base.tgz unpacked), and then you have a bunch of run-parts-type files defining what you do to turn it into a working system from there. You need to create users, set defaults that're done by the installer usually, install
975[07:36:04] <iKarith> things like a kernel and a bootloader, drivers, and whatever non-base packages you want. There's a couple of files you probably want to patch, etc. You don't quite use run-parts to do it because one file will contain a list of packages to install at this stage (possibly ignoring recommends to keep the live system small), another will be a script to run that generates some file. Another might be patches to
976[07:36:05] <iKarith> apply to files. Another might be fed to debconf-set-selections, etc. All in layers. Quite elegant actually.
977[07:36:09] <missmbob> goddamn
978[07:37:14] <jelly> Drzacek: the installer is supposed to write a boot loader to the install disk. Can your firmware successfully pass control to THAT boot loader? I don't know
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980[07:37:36] <jelly> Drzacek: how does a normal installation fail for you?
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982[07:38:00] <iKarith> TL;DR: Aside from the read-only filesystem run from RAM and possibly deltas saved to writable disk, it's a hand-assembled system with exactly what you want and nothing you don't that has to be pretty tolerant of whatever hardware you want to throw it at.
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985[07:38:50] <Drzacek> Well, the installation goes fine, it asks me to install grub to MBR, I refuse and say to install it to my cf card, reboote, remove the install medium, set in BIOS to boot from my debian-cf card - black screen, cursor blinking in topleft corner, waited 1hour then gave up
986[07:39:10] <jelly> Drzacek: why do you not put it into the mbr of the CF card?
987[07:39:27] <jelly> is the card partitioned?
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989[07:40:08] <Drzacek> I assumed it wanted to install to HDD mbr
990[07:40:22] <iKarith> Drzacek: Your USB stick is a HDD as far as the system is concerned.
991[07:40:52] <Drzacek> true dat
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993[07:41:14] <Drzacek> I have other (REAL) hdd on that PC, with windows and other systems
994[07:41:26] <Drzacek> I was sure it meant mbr on that disk
995[07:41:36] <Drzacek> damn, gonna have to try again
996[07:41:57] <jelly> Drzacek: you could unplug that disk for the duration of debian install
997[07:42:02] <iKarith> If you're working with a USB 3 host and stick, it shouldn't be too bad.
998[07:42:40] <jelly> somehow "cf card" makes me think 2002 hardware, not 2013 hw bootable over usb3
999[07:43:07] <Drzacek> yeah, usb3.0 host, but card reader 2.0
1000[07:45:14] <iKarith> Unless you're dealing with an older Mac, jelly's suggestion makes sense. You can put Linux on an external drive on a Mac, but grub has to be installed to the internal drive unless you've got the system booting Linux from EFI, and older Macs tended to have NV hardware that doesn't work with that very well. May not still today, I dunno.
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1004[07:46:15] <iKarith> jelly: 2002 hardware today I WOULD boot off CF card, connected straight to the IDE connector with an adapter sled. :)
1005[07:46:17] <jelly> iKarith: they did state they were able to boot the installer itself from that cf card.
1006[07:48:36] <iKarith> Runs pretty quick that way. I use SanDisk CFs for that and leave the last 10% unpartitioned completely. And when the amount of unpartitioned free space starts shrinking, I start thinking about a new CF card. Recent generation SanDisk flash devices are nice about such things. :)
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1016[07:51:43] <Drzacek> iKarith, target system has IDE cf-card reader
1017[07:51:58] <Drzacek> unless we find SATA cf-reader :D
1018[07:52:37] <iKarith> They exist. More likely to find a SATA SD adapter though.
1019[07:53:01] <iKarith> SATA to CF is basically a SATA-IDE bridge chip wired up to the CF slot.
1020[07:53:25] <iKarith> The SD adapters are slightly more interesting special-purpose devices.
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1024[07:57:03] <lindylex> What is the trick for automating Debian to download all the dependencies a package needs?
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1026[07:57:31] <jelly> lindylex: the usual "apt-get install something" does that by default
1027[07:57:43] <Drzacek> iKarith, well, the standard is CF, and we used them for years, no need to change that
1028[07:57:43] <lindylex> No I am building it from source.
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1030[07:57:51] <missmbob> apt-get build-dep foo
1031[07:57:54] <jelly> lindylex: building what from source?
1032[07:57:59] <lindylex> mpd
1033[07:58:15] <jelly> ,v mpd
1034[07:58:17] <judd> Package: mpd on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.16.7-2+b1; wheezy-backports: 0.17.6-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.19.1-1.1; jessie-backports: 0.19.12-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.19.18-1; stretch: 0.19.18-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.19.9-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:0.19.19-dmo1
1035[07:58:38] <jelly> support 0.19.12 isn't fresh enough for you?
1036[07:58:41] <missmbob> lindylex: i've done it for you already. replaced-url
1037[07:58:44] <jelly> suppose*
1038[07:58:47] <lindylex> I am on stretch and need 0.19.19
1039[07:59:10] <jelly> lindylex: I'd use uupdate and rebuild the package.
1040[07:59:15] <jelly> !uupdate
1041[07:59:15] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd replaced-url
1042[07:59:20] <jelly> !package rebuild
1043[07:59:20] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
1044[07:59:48] <jelly> lindylex: uupdate goes after step 4) in the rebuild recipe
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1050[08:01:44] <lindylex> I am confused. Will this get me version 0.19.19?
1051[08:02:45] <iKarith> lindylex: That's the idea.
1052[08:02:49] <lindylex> O
1053[08:02:51] <lindylex> Ok
1054[08:03:31] <jelly> lindylex: this gets you a deb package of latest upstream tarball you downloaded, if it's successful
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1057[08:04:54] <jelly> missmbob: mpd not mpv
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1059[08:04:55] <lindylex> First I have to add <deb-src> to /etc/apt/sources.list
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1061[08:05:26] <jelly> lindylex: read /msg dpkg deb-src
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1075[08:11:56] <Drzacek> Hmmm. Can I install debian to virtual machine and then dd that virtual hdd to cf/sd card?
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1077[08:12:08] <jelly> Drzacek: sure why not
1078[08:12:31] <klys> it would change the geometry
1079[08:12:37] <Drzacek> I have a feeling that this way the installation would go faster
1080[08:12:38] <jelly> or you could install the damn boot loader when d-i asks you to
1081[08:13:09] <jelly> or you could install it right now if that installation w/o boot loader is still in place
1082[08:13:14] <klys> if all you want is grub then the tool is grub-install
1083[08:13:18] <Drzacek> :( that's what I wanted to try now, but looks like this computer doesn't want to boot from any USB thing
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1085[08:13:55] <jelly> klys: the geometry doesn't really matter these days, just the size
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1088[08:14:35] <Drzacek> Okay, I have my cf card with debian installed. How can I install bootloader to mbr now?
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1090[08:15:17] <klys> grub-install /dev/mmcblk0
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1092[08:15:38] <klys> first edit /boot/grub/devices.map
1093[08:15:49] <klys> then do that
1094[08:16:02] <klys> then reboot
1095[08:16:55] <Drzacek> I attached cf card to my debian machine, it shows up as /dev/sdb
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1098[08:17:30] <Drzacek> If I run "grub-install", would it look for /boot on host system or on sdb?
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1100[08:18:05] <klys> just make devices.map with /dev/hdb first
1101[08:18:29] <klys> it will look where you put it
1102[08:18:41] <klys> sdb*
1103[08:18:45] <lindylex> jelly: I got to uupdate? Step four what do I do with uupdate.
1104[08:19:41] <Drzacek> no devices.map here
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1106[08:19:54] <jelly> lindylex: basically you just give it the path to the fresh new upstream tarball
1107[08:20:42] <lindylex> I can not find uupdate to install it.
1108[08:20:58] <lindylex> apt-get install uupdate does nothing.
1109[08:21:09] <missmbob> devscripts
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1111[08:21:24] <lindylex> Oh ok
1112[08:21:28] <lindylex> Got it
1113[08:21:55] <jelly> lindylex: you can read the factoid again if you missed something else, /msg dpkg uupdate
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1130[08:34:56] <soiz> i'm trying to run qjackctl but i get "jack server is not running or cannot be started"
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1155[08:52:11] <hellyeah> i added my user to sudo group but still got this error hellyeah is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
1156[08:52:16] <hellyeah> how can i fix that?
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1158[08:52:51] <OerHeks> hellyeah, logout/login perhaps?
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1173[08:57:48] <tom99> is bit rot real?
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1175[08:58:01] <tom99> i check ed this file I downloaded a couple years ago and it seems to have some corruption
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1177[08:59:08] <tom99> would there be some way to find the bits to correct to get the proper sha-160 hash?
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1184[09:01:53] <OerHeks> tom99, bit-rot is real, on all sorts of media.
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1186[09:02:20] <tom99> hmm
1187[09:02:23] <tom99> it's an iso file
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1190[09:02:32] <tom99> is there some way to use the crc of a cd file system to fix the file?
1191[09:02:33] <OerHeks> I guess if you read the file 20 times, you get 20 different checksums
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1197[09:06:12] <umbaman> guys i want to diff between two folders but to exclude hidden files (.*)
1198[09:06:41] <umbaman> diff -r -q folder1 folder2 > diffOfFolders
1199[09:06:54] <umbaman> this is what I am doing currently
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1201[09:07:17] <umbaman> how can I exclude from the output the files beggining with a dot?
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1205[09:09:06] <sumi> hello
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1209[09:09:42] <OerHeks> diff -rupN -x '.*' ./folder1 ./folder2 > diff.txt
1210[09:10:06] <umbaman> excellent! thank a lot OerHeks!
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1213[09:11:11] <OerHeks> replaced-url
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1215[09:12:17] <umbaman> cheers
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1261[09:32:37] <karvas> hello, I can't boot my system. LVM volume 'xxx' not found. It seems that initramfs does not have dm-crypt/cryptsetup enabled. Using a live cd, I can mount my root filesystem. But booting via grub fails, and the initramfs-bash fails to load dm-crypt. What can I do?
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1267[09:33:25] <karvas> sorry, the exact error message is: "Unable to find LVM volume debian/root"
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1274[09:34:50] <karvas> Then it says "dropping to a shell"... when I enter 'modprobe dm-crypt' in this shell (initramfs), it says "modprobe: module dm-crypt not found in modules.dep"
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1276[09:36:16] <karvas> do I need to rebuild initramfs somehow?
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1288[09:42:57] <vlt> karvas: For some reasons there’s a problem in recent Debian versions putting the cryptsetup binary into initramfs,
1289[09:43:25] <vlt> karvas: I think it happens when /etc/crypttab doesn’t make sense to the build scripts.
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1293[09:44:34] <vlt> karvas: You can boot from live CD or USB, run cryptsetup, chroot to the root fs and run `CRYPTSETUP=Y update-initrams ...` once.
1294[09:44:46] <karvas> vlt: that makes sense, I made a change to crypptab a few days ago
1295[09:45:34] <vlt> karvas: Prepending CRYPTSETUP=Y forces /sbin/cryptsetup to be put into initramfs.
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1297[09:46:10] <vlt> karvas: But mind that this is just a temporary solution until the next kernel update (or something else) triggers an initrs rebuild.
1298[09:46:22] <karvas> ok, I'll try that. Thank you very much!
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1302[09:47:14] <vlt> karvas: Fix /etc/crypttab while keeping a working copy of /boot/initrd-img... ;-)
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1305[09:48:47] <karvas> could just fixing crypttab and leaving the initrd-img as it is work also?
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1308[09:49:31] <vlt> karvas: Fixing crypttab took me more attempts than I initially hoped.
1309[09:50:00] <vlt> karvas: That’s why I kept a /boot/initrd.img.OK file.
1310[09:50:06] <vlt> To boot from
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1317[09:51:38] <karvas> ok, thanks
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1321[09:53:16] <maxcell_> when i open my google-chrome he alters the Gamma settings of my monitor, that the screen comes to bright. Somebody knows something about that? Any help is appreciate
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1327[09:56:30] <Je55ie> how to start sshd service in debian jessie? I use `systemctl start sshd` and it says no service exist
1328[09:56:52] <maxcell_> apt-get install openssh
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1332[09:58:00] <Je55ie> maxcell_: couldn't find package 'openssh' :(
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1336[09:58:25] <maxcell_> Je55ie, just type apt-get install open(and hit TABs)
1337[09:58:38] <maxcell_> i think the name is openssh-server or something like that
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1340[09:58:47] <Je55ie> nothing happen
1341[09:59:13] <maxcell_> Je55ie, type as a normal user, root doesnt have bash_completion by default
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1343[09:59:42] <michiel> Je55ie: systemctl start ssh (not sshd) (that is depending whether it is installed or not)
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1345[10:00:46] <Je55ie> maxcell_: I found openssh-server
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1347[10:01:06] <maxcell_> Je55ie, thats it, than systemctl start ssh (not sshd) like michiel said
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1349[10:01:28] <Je55ie> michiel: maxcell_ no service
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1351[10:01:48] <Je55ie> No such file or directory
1352[10:01:51] <maxcell_> you already install openssh-server?
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1354[10:02:12] <Je55ie> not yeat
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1356[10:02:17] <Je55ie> not yet
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1358[10:02:43] <maxcell_> you need to install than it will be a server and it will run
1359[10:02:59] <maxcell_> no bugs at all, i promisse
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1366[10:04:29] <Je55ie> ok, I will try it
1367[10:04:55] <maxcell_> ok
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1369[10:05:28] <Je55ie> maxcell_: michiel why systemctl start ssh not sshd?
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1372[10:05:46] <Je55ie> I found use sshd or ssh, both no error
1373[10:05:59] <Je55ie> no warning something
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1375[10:06:07] <maxcell_> the server initiate?
1376[10:06:33] <Je55ie> yes
1377[10:06:36] <maxcell_> cool
1378[10:06:50] <babilen> Je55ie: What does "systemctl status ssh.service" give you?
1379[10:06:53] <Je55ie> what's the diffrent
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1384[10:07:36] <Je55ie> babilen: active running
1385[10:07:38] <maxcell_> ssh"d" means daemon (service) or ssh.service, is the same thing
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1388[10:08:32] <Je55ie> and the common way is ? sshd or ssh?
1389[10:08:41] <babilen> Je55ie: That sounds good
1390[10:09:10] <maxcell_> the common way is that sshd is the service and ssh is just the App that you use to connect to the server i gess
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1392[10:09:42] <maxcell_> isnt a service
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1394[10:10:31] <babilen> .oO( Isn't it sad that *everything* is an app these days? Why don't we differentiate between daemon, program, executable, library, app (as in Android/iOS/...), ... anymore? )
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1397[10:11:06] <Je55ie> yes, systemctl start/stop ssh/sshd are same!
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1399[10:12:06] <maxcell_> Je55ie, thats because "ssh" is a alias for "ssh.service". Since you cant Start the program (app) ssh as a server
1400[10:12:23] * babilen chuckles
1401[10:12:36] <maxcell_> babilen, but i did
1402[10:12:59] <babilen> Did what?
1403[10:13:08] <maxcell_> i said that sshd is the server, while ssh is the app
1404[10:13:24] <hexnewbie> It's all binaries, cause it's all in bin. Even if the "binaries" are written in bash.
1405[10:14:14] <maxcell_> but the binarie, in this case, is a server?
1406[10:14:14] <Je55ie> app stuff is for android or ios
1407[10:14:27] <babilen> maxcell_: It's okay, we don't have to discuss this further. I just think that it is sad that many people nowadays use 'app' rather than a more specific term
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1409[10:14:46] <maxcell_> babilen, i got you
1410[10:15:07] <maxcell_> babilen, i just said App but i mean Program (app is for application right)
1411[10:15:07] <babilen> 'app' used to exclusively refer to applications that were developed for mobile platforms -- either way, pretty off-topic here :)
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1413[10:15:58] <maxcell_> i thought Apps and Programs were the same all my life
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1416[10:16:24] <Je55ie> they are
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1418[10:16:31] <maxcell_> so...
1419[10:16:47] <babilen> May I invite you to #debian-offtopic?
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1421[10:16:55] <maxcell_> lol
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1423[10:17:20] <maxcell_> just forget it, i was just looking for the easier way to type less and say what i mean
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1473[10:40:49] <upilss> ~
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1495[10:49:30] <Drzacek> I installed debian using other machine (without any hdd) on my cf card, installed grub to CFs mbr and now it works! it boots, it loads, it starts!
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1501[10:57:07] <nikitasius> hi folks! have a problem... looks like php-json was removed from repo due licencing shit between linux and others. i have some old stuff what need php-json and hopefully i keep it on server with 5.6.18. But for some new stuff i need php-intl, what can be installed from 5.6.25, but there is no php-json for 5.6.25. So the question is: where i can find php-intl for 5.6.18 or php-json for 5.6.25?
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1508[11:00:14] <hexnewbie> PHP 5.6.18 is old, and comes with the respective security holes. Debian Jessie comes with PHP 5.6.24 (security fixes from future versions backported, IIRC), not 5.6.25. No Debian comes with 5.6.25 - are you using Debian? You can get the source package for php-json and compile it, or just use the JSON that comes with PHP.
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1512[11:01:29] <hexnewbie> In fact, php5-json is in the repository.
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1518[11:02:42] <pragomer_1> hi. planning to switch from ubuntu to debian. do you think I can update my sources.list from jessie to stretch without any MAJOR problems?
1519[11:03:03] <OerHeks> pragomer_1, without re-install ???
1520[11:03:18] <Drzacek> I have ~3.5gb card, 73% in use. Any recommendations what software packages I could safely remove, without destroying system?
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1524[11:04:01] <pragomer_1> yes.. just installed a fresh jessie.. but planning to upgrade to stretch via changing my sources.list.. why?
1525[11:04:05] <nikitasius> hexnewbie: thanks! just googled and fong src in web. i'll try it. I use php as fpm module for some small sites what i'd like to stop but.. still support
1526[11:04:10] <nikitasius> *fond
1527[11:04:32] <babilen> pragomer_1: I'd strongly advise to have both stretch and sid in your sources.list and to set the default release to stretch (or testing/unstable if you prefer that). Also install apt-listbugs and read replaced-url
1528[11:05:07] <pragomer_1> mm.. why using unstable? thought using testing would be the "middle-way" ??
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1530[11:05:11] <OerHeks> pragomer_1, oh, not from ubuntu to jessie .. oke
1531[11:05:22] <jelly> babilen: probably not during the release upgrade process itself, tho?
1532[11:05:24] <babilen> pragomer_1: We support testing and unstable in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and it has been quite fine in the last couple of months, but then I'm not using any huge desktop environment with lots of dependencies that might be affected by transitions
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1534[11:05:52] <babilen> jelly: Might allow apt to sort out some dependencies. Hard to answer that in general
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1537[11:06:14] <pragomer_1> so what would be best advice for having some newer programs, also a newer kernel? using backports and using jessie? right?
1538[11:06:47] <babilen> That's the advice if you want to upgrade a few selected packages to a newer version, yes
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1541[11:07:22] <pragomer_1> yes.. think this would be enough.. e.g. the kernel to 4.x.... firefox... darktable.... thats it I think
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1543[11:07:49] <babilen> judd: v darktable
1544[11:07:50] <judd> Package: darktable on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.4-1+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.2-1+b3; jessie-backports: 2.0.4-1~bpo8+1; sid: 2.0.5-2+b1; stretch: 2.0.5-2+b1
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1548[11:08:02] <babilen> pragomer_1: Those are all available from backports
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1564[11:14:55] <ocx32> i am trying nc -nlvp 1100 -e /bin/ping and then echo "192.168.0.1" | nc -nv 127.0.0.1 1100 to ping that host but i am getting a syntax error any idea?
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1566[11:15:55] <nikitasius> hexnewbie: installed from repo lol. but.. upgraded 5.6.18 -> 5.6.25 with removing json and.. it kept json 1.2.1 (intead of 1.3.9). So now its "fresh" php and old json, but oldshit stuff works. phew!
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1570[11:20:42] <Artox> \o, I am in some trouble with my own maintainer scripts, triggers are queued but never executed; any hints how to debug that?
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1583[11:26:25] <dec0deIO> IDENTIFY
1584[11:26:37] <meowschwitz> NO
1585[11:26:42] <dec0deIO> hello
1586[11:27:22] <heller_> anyone here familiar with php and rrdtool?
1587[11:27:38] <dec0deIO> php yes
1588[11:27:41] <dec0deIO> whats up
1589[11:28:08] <heller_> but rrdtool?
1590[11:28:14] <dec0deIO> nop sorry
1591[11:28:24] <heller_> trying to convert mysql to rrd data
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1594[11:28:43] <meowschwitz> how's that debian related
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1596[11:29:02] <heller_> they all run on debian :)
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1598[11:30:05] <msev-> can anyone with more knowledge about linux help me with this issue: replaced-url
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1618[11:42:01] <hexnewbie> nikitasius: That's still not what's in Debian. Are you using Debian? You may consider doing so if you aren't :)
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1627[11:50:14] <karvas> I can't chroot into my root directory ("choot: can't execute '/bin/sh': Exec format error" - What can I do?
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1629[11:51:36] <themill> karvas: same architecture?
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1634[11:52:10] <karvas> themill: you mean like i386 / amd64 ?
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1636[11:52:59] <karvas> ah yes, this could be the problem
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1660[12:11:34] <hexnewbie> karvas: If you're going cross-architecture (like arm <-> x86), you may try qemu user.
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1663[12:13:45] <karvas> hexnewbie: thanks
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1667[12:19:54] <hexnewbie> karvas: I think you need qemu-user-static, and copying it inside the chroot, as you'd have to execute the x86 qemu for ARM inside the chroot
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1670[12:20:58] <hexnewbie> Like chroot /directory /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /bin/sh
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1672[12:22:02] <themill> binfmt can also automate that
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1683[12:28:19] <nikitasius> hexnewbie: yep deb
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1685[12:28:28] <psylence> Hey guys. So now that there's an /apt/preferences.d/ and and /apt/apt.conf.d/ how do I manually set preferences_
1686[12:28:31] <psylence> ?
1687[12:28:55] <psylence> It used to be a file called /apt/preferences, now I'm confused
1688[12:29:18] <jelly> preaction: you can still create and use /etc/apt/preferences
1689[12:29:28] <hexnewbie> psylence: /etc/apt/preferences still works, files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ also work (and are probably preferable - I moved my preferences there, but preferences still works too)
1690[12:29:37] <psylence> Will it override the other ones?
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1692[12:29:43] <psylence> (I don't want it to)
1693[12:29:57] <hexnewbie> The other ones being?
1694[12:30:26] <psylence> Nvm :P
1695[12:30:35] <psylence> What about /apt/apt.conf? Same thing ?
1696[12:30:46] <themill> the man pages discuss this, too
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1698[12:31:15] <hexnewbie> psylence: They would be completely different things. "man apt_preferences" and "man apt.conf"
1699[12:31:20] <psylence> themill: much easier to ask a group of knowledgable people :)
1700[12:31:58] <psylence> hexnewbie: yeah, I know they're two different things. I was just wondering if I could create an apt.conf with an apt.conf.d present (with conf files in it already)
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1702[12:32:43] <themill> Except that at this stage, man apt.conf would have answered the question more precisely than any of us ;)
1703[12:32:56] <psylence> OK. I'll read it.
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1709[12:35:00] <psylence> Thanks guys
1710[12:35:22] <pragomer_1> hi. cannot get debian-jessie-mate-autologin.... :-( Changing in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-gretter.conf the lines autologin-user = and autologin-user-timeout = does not have an effect
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1725[12:43:01] <Drzacek> I have 2 CF cards, both ~3.7GiB. On one of them (sdb) is my OS, the other one has some partitions on it with irrelevant data. Can I do dd if=sdb of=sdd to create copy of my first card?
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1728[12:45:27] <jelly> Drzacek: the destination has to be at least as large as the source
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1732[12:46:23] <Drzacek> Those are the same cards, how sure can we be that they are exactly the same size?
1733[12:46:50] <jelly> Drzacek: blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sdX
1734[12:47:06] <Drzacek> Maybe I can create image from my source card and compress it somehow - there is a lot of free space
1735[12:47:22] <jelly> you can do a cp or dd, just make sure all the filesystems on the source are unmounted, or mounted read-only, or at the very least that no process is doing any writing during the copy
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1740[12:48:42] <Drzacek> looks like the size is the same
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1743[12:49:35] <jelly> good
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1746[12:50:20] <jelly> use cp, or a reasonably large bs= for dd, or pv if you like progress bars
1747[12:50:40] <jelly> WHO DOESN'T LIKE PROGRESS BARS? NOONE, THAT'S WHO
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1749[12:51:03] <jelly> pv < /dev/sdb > /dev/sdd # for great justice
1750[12:51:21] <Drzacek> hmm. if I dd from A to B, I get real bit to bit copy of source, right? With MBR and everything, so the other card will also be bootable
1751[12:51:37] <jelly> yes
1752[12:51:38] <colo-work> recent GNU dd also has "status=progress"
1753[12:51:53] <jelly> is that jessie recent
1754[12:51:54] <Drzacek> how recent is the debian testing dd?
1755[12:52:04] <colo-work> jelly, no, I'm afraid you'll need stretch
1756[12:52:19] <jelly> eh
1757[12:53:08] <jelly> pv still rules
1758[12:53:35] <colo-work> I just SIGUSR2 the running dd proces in a while-loop
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1761[12:54:11] <jelly> #sougly
1762[12:54:23] <jelly> sometimes you don't have anything else
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1768[12:56:07] <Drzacek> yay, I'm recent enough, got progress
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1796[13:06:31] <DoctorD90> SynrG, are you there? belong to you may I create an ISO image that comes with LUKS? :P I mean, system partition partitioned with LUKS? :P
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1803[13:08:16] <Drzacek> What is the right way to remove software from debian? apt-get remove [package], then apt-get autoremove?
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1806[13:09:43] <ProximaB> hi guys i was installing virtualbox on debian stretch, there was some dependency issues so i downloaded the particular dependency it turns out be old version, should i keep it or remove it?
1807[13:09:51] <jelly> Drzacek: or aptitude remove ... to do it in one pass
1808[13:10:06] <jelly> !debian-next
1809[13:10:06] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1810[13:10:20] <jelly> ProximaB: ^^ right place for stretch users
1811[13:10:25] <Drzacek> don't use aptitude, I like to stick with apt-get. But the way I said is OK?
1812[13:10:41] <jelly> yes, pretty much
1813[13:11:14] <jelly> you may occasionally want to also purge leftover conffiles
1814[13:11:17] <jelly> !purge
1815[13:11:18] <dpkg> "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use «aptitude purge $package» or «dpkg -P $package» (note: before wheezy, you can't 'apt-get purge' a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: «aptitude purge '~c'». To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
1816[13:11:29] <jelly> (again it's a lot easier to do with aptitude)
1817[13:11:30] <ProximaB> jelly it was not related to debian version, i am talking in general
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1819[13:12:06] <jelly> ProximaB: dependency issues are not a general problem but a problem of specific package versions, and repos configured
1820[13:12:30] <jelly> so okay, you can talk in general here, but if you want to _solve_ it...
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1824[13:13:07] <jelly> you'll probably get help from people with machines actually configured with stretch over there in that channel.
1825[13:13:26] <ProximaB> jellly i fixed the dependency by downloading the right one, but i am worried about the old, should i leave it or remove the old version?
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1827[13:13:46] <jelly> no idea
1828[13:13:57] <pragomer_1> how to install avidemux under jessie?
1829[13:14:06] <DoctorD90> jelly, to upgrade libreoffice from .deb files, I have to remove them before. I have used remove, not purge, but then each time i have to reconfigure "open .xls file with libreoffice"...and so on for all office document (or it will be opened with archive manager). It is there a way to keep this sort of settings by default?
1830[13:14:29] <ProximaB> ok thanks jelly
1831[13:15:15] <jelly> DoctorD90: no idea, I'm not even sure where those associations are kept. It may be something DE-specific
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1835[13:16:59] <ProximaB> jelly Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)
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1842[13:19:28] <hexnewbie> ProximaB: From the message you took #debian-next from: «If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.»
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1854[13:24:16] <ProximaB> hexnewbie, ok!
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1860[13:26:41] <Iridos> hm, I just see that duplicity uses 20G on my 45G / partition in / … these are duplicity-full-signatures.(datestring).sigtar.gz. duh. this is a 220G disk or so
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1869[13:30:17] <Iridos> what makes it more confusing is that there are different ones
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1875[13:35:02] <Iridos> pfft. and on the backup disk, the backups for my 230G disk take up 1.4T
1876[13:35:09] <Iridos> hideous
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1889[13:41:18] <DoctorD90> jelly, uhm...so at each installation i should re-set them....thx jelly ;)
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1913[13:50:11] <BlackCube> i need help
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1922[13:53:13] <DoctorD90> !ask
1923[13:53:14] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1924[13:53:22] <DoctorD90> !ask BlackCube
1925[13:53:45] <BlackCube> !ask why is my viber not workign i instal it but it has no internet conection
1926[13:53:46] <dpkg> okay, BlackCube
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1930[13:54:38] <DoctorD90> the '!ask ' part is useless...but ok lol
1931[13:55:06] <BlackCube> !ask why is my viber not workign i instal it but it has no internet conection
1932[13:55:06] <dpkg> i already had it that way, BlackCube
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1935[13:55:57] <DoctorD90> BlackCube, the use of '!ask' is useless...it is just a commando for the bot...wait somebody will answer you.
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1946[14:00:20] <Ad1> replaced-url
1947[14:00:21] <Ad1> :D
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1954[14:05:00] <Iridos> pfft
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1963[14:06:51] <BlackCube> dpkg: forget ask why
1964[14:06:51] <dpkg> i forgot ask why, BlackCube
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1974[14:11:23] <Iridos> oh fuck duplicity
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1977[14:11:54] <dionysus69> clonezilla ftw lol
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1980[14:12:25] <Iridos> that can't do what I want
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1987[14:14:54] <dionysus69> btw
1988[14:15:05] <dionysus69> I just opened up back in time which came with gnome shell
1989[14:15:20] <dionysus69> its pretty good, its combination of rsync and cron.
1990[14:15:47] <dionysus69> I wonder, should I exclude /media directory? because thats where I am backing up everything so it would back itself up too and crash?
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1992[14:16:16] <dionysus69> it gives some suggested excluded files/dirs but not /media dir
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1994[14:16:39] <Iridos> probably, you also end up backuping any usb stick or whatever if you haven't excluded switching mounts
1995[14:17:20] <Iridos> what's that called? sounds a bit like rsnapshot…you should have a look at that
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1997[14:17:32] <dionysus69> yes exactly, I am backing up to external hd which is in media dir
1998[14:17:51] <dionysus69> its called back in time
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2002[14:18:08] <Iridos> I don't see anything like that in debian
2003[14:18:10] <dionysus69> backintime-gnome < package name
2004[14:18:17] <Iridos> ah
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2006[14:18:37] <dionysus69> or backintime-common or backintime-qt4 I have all three packages installed
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2008[14:18:51] <Iridos> really have a look at rsnapshot
2009[14:19:12] <Iridos> if that's not encrypting the backup or so
2010[14:19:24] <dionysus69> it has encryption options too
2011[14:19:36] <Falson> Kernel: x86_64 Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64
2012[14:19:39] <dionysus69> it has all options one would need + gui, and I like gui lol
2013[14:19:41] <Falson> Get on my level negroes
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2015[14:20:23] <dionysus69> what the fuck lol
2016[14:20:27] <Iridos> rsnapshot makes a 1:1 copy and for incremental backups it hard-links all files that haven't changed and creates a new copy for all that have
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2018[14:20:56] <dionysus69> sounds good lol
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2021[14:22:04] <Iridos> for that it's pretty simple it is still pretty space efficient (depending on the files, of course)
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2039[14:25:22] <danawar08> Hi
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2041[14:26:10] <danawar08> Hi #debian I have an issue where my DNS is working when i give it the hostname of my router but when i change it to googles DNS servers 8.8.8.8 it stops working is there a reason for this surely it should work?! :(
2042[14:27:44] <petn-randall> danawar08: Maybe your router is blocking DNS? What are the contents of /etc/resolv.conf after the change? → replaced-url
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2046[14:28:54] <danawar08> petn-randall: Just nameserver 8.8.8.8
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2050[14:30:03] <Drzacek> I see that current install DVD has pretty old linux kernel. If I install my own (4.6.7) kernel, do I have to install some other things?
2051[14:30:36] <danawar08> petn-randall: Other hosts behind the router work so it is not a firewall
2052[14:31:00] <danawar08> petn-randall: Iptables have been cleared with accept and the issue is still there :(
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2054[14:32:37] <Iridos> judd, kernels
2055[14:32:38] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
2056[14:33:16] <Iridos> Drzacek, take the 4.6.0 kernel from jessie-backports?
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2060[14:34:21] <Drzacek> Iridos, well, I need my own special kernel, already compiled
2061[14:34:26] <Iridos> danawar08, dns queries use UDP on a specific port… I'd also say it's the router or something else blocking the traffic
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2064[14:35:45] <Iridos> Drzacek, dunno then. probably not.
2065[14:36:52] <danawar08> Iridos: dns queries use UDP port 53 this is allowed through firewalls as it works when using the router as the nameserver. As for the router if it had a problem with the firewall all my other servers would not be working.
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2069[14:39:30] <Iridos> but there is no innate firewall in debian systems
2070[14:40:17] <Iridos> there is one if you install some netfilter packages… but if you did, you'd know that
2071[14:41:10] <Iridos> for testing, you can give nslookup the nameserver that it should use; like nslookup heise.de 8.8.8.8
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2076[14:42:57] <danawar08> Iridos: connection timed out; no server could be reached
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2078[14:44:09] <danawar08> Iridos: I ran the same command on a server that is on the same esx host and it works :(
2079[14:45:00] <_sh00p> This is a bit farfetched, but perhaps your isp doesn't like you using other nameservers than theirs. I believe this is how they enforce anti-piracy laws in some places
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2091[14:47:00] <danawar08> _sh00p: If this was the case it would most probably be consistently not working across the servers.
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2095[14:48:53] <_sh00p> danawar08: yeah, that is strange
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2102[14:53:31] <Drzacek> damn, system hangs up on login screen with new kernel
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2104[14:54:21] <Iridos> danawar08, time to fire up tcpdump/wireshark?
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2107[14:54:57] <Iridos> your routing could be somehow wrong as well
2108[14:55:52] <danawar08> Iridos: tcpdump shows DNS going out but not coming back
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2110[14:56:16] <danawar08> Iridos: The print out of route is the exact clone of that from another server that is working.
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2112[14:56:32] <danawar08> I think i agree with you that it could be somthing the router is doing
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2114[14:56:52] <danawar08> Unfortunately i have not been given access to that yet
2115[14:57:23] <danawar08> But i also cant think what on the router would affect it if its working for all other machines it would have to be a specific rule put in for a reason.
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2117[14:58:08] <Drzacek> The same machine, one os - debian 8 "testing" on hdd, 2nd os - debian 8 stable (jessie) on cf card. The first one runs without problems with custom kernel, second os hangs on login screen (mouse and keyboard non responsive). Any reasons, solutions, ideas?
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2119[14:58:43] <jomofcw> Hello !
2120[14:58:58] <petn-randall> Drzacek: Debian 8 ist stable, testing is a pre-release version of 9.
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2122[14:59:41] <Drzacek> petn-randall, sorry, my bad
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2130[15:02:56] <Guest14626> what's the current version of KDE on debian stable? is it available in backport repos?
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2133[15:05:45] <kingkong> how can i see today's channel logs for this channel?
2134[15:06:11] <kingkong> it shows till yesterday on your web
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2139[15:06:37] <petn-randall> Drzacek: If you're still on 8 "testing", you can update to the current stable. Can you check what state those two systems are in?
2140[15:06:56] <Drzacek> ok, found my problem (I guess)
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2142[15:07:10] <petn-randall> Drzacek: What was it?
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2144[15:07:24] <Drzacek> Apparently I forgot how to install kernel, and just copied vmlinuz and initrd to /boot
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2146[15:07:42] <Drzacek> totally forgeting about modules
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2149[15:08:13] <zinx> apparently someone needs to tell you about make-kpkg
2150[15:09:03] <zinx> which is part of the kernel-package package
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2152[15:09:29] <babilen> Isn't that quite obsolete?
2153[15:09:33] <babilen> dpkg: kernel-handbook
2154[15:09:33] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
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2159[15:10:51] <Drzacek> I didn't used debian source, only from kernel.org
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2162[15:12:31] <babilen> Drzacek: Why are you compiling a kernel in the first place?
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2165[15:13:24] <ws2k3> im learning mdadm. i have setup a mirror on 2 disks. i disconnected one disk and reconnected it again. but mdadm does not see i plugged the disk back in how should i proceed?
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2167[15:13:55] <Storfiskaren> ws2k3: you need to add the disk to the array again
2168[15:14:03] <kyle__> ws2k3: IIRC it won't re-attach it to the array.
2169[15:14:11] <Drzacek> babilen, rt patch
2170[15:14:53] <ws2k3> kyle__ ah okay why not? should i just readd the partitions to the array and let it rebuild again?
2171[15:15:03] <kyle__> ws2k3: as far as the RAID1 is concerned, the data on it is worthless, because it's continued to write bits to the other half. When you add that half of the mirro back, it should (slowLy) reincorperate the disk, but it will do so by coyping all the blocks over again.
2172[15:15:20] <babilen> judd: v linux-image-rt-amd64
2173[15:15:21] <judd> Package: linux-image-rt-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; jessie-backports: 4.6+74~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.6+74
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2175[15:15:24] <babilen> Drzacek: ^
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2180[15:15:50] <Storfiskaren> ws2k3: mdamd --manage <array> --add <device that was reattached>
2181[15:16:22] <ws2k3> Storfiskaren so i just need to readd them again? it does not go rebuild automaticly/by itself?
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2183[15:16:38] <kyle__> ws2k3: Correct.
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2187[15:17:41] <ws2k3> is it safe to shut down the machine while rebuilding? or should i let it finish rebuilding first
2188[15:17:43] <kyle__> ws2k3: Think of it this way: a bad disk can be bad in many ways. It's entirely possible (and not uncommon if you deal with enough drives), to have a bad disk that peridically drops out of your drive channel, then back in again.
2189[15:17:56] <Drzacek> any 32bit version maybe?
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2191[15:18:12] <Drzacek> well, the compilation went fine, I used other PC for some time now without problems
2192[15:18:13] <kyle__> ws2k3: The disk is marked bad when it drops out. Would you really want it to start using that disk again?
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2195[15:19:02] <aboman> ws2k3, you should look into bitmap too, it will let you readd a dropped disk/partition without rebuilding entire array
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2200[15:19:57] <balance> hi
2201[15:20:00] <ws2k3> aboman i googled on madam ditmap but its not realy showing anything. could you be a bit more spesific?
2202[15:20:12] <balance> how can I check what files are going to be installed by a specific package?
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2207[15:21:02] <aboman> ws2k3, replaced-url
2208[15:22:00] <abrotman> balance: is it from the repository? you can use apt-file, or dpkg -L
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2210[15:22:27] <balance> abrotman: ah nice thanks
2211[15:22:33] <ws2k3> aboman thx
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2217[15:24:13] <aboman> ws2k3, np. if you go the bitmap route remember to remove it first if you want to grow the array (switch to more/larger disks)
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2219[15:24:49] <google77> hi
2220[15:25:15] <google77> Is it possible to encrypt just one partition on a hard drive?
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2222[15:25:48] <rudi_s> google77: Sure. The (manual) partioner in the installer can do that too.
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2225[15:26:31] <google77> rudi_s well I am partitioning an external drive. Thanks.
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2229[15:27:07] <Drzacek> This is just great, gonna try that. So this make-kpkg creates .deb with new kernel, so I can install it on other (debian-based) system! Someone should have told me that earlier
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2231[15:28:06] <colo-work> Drzacek, the vanilla Linux kernel sources have a Makefile target that does the same (or a very similar) think
2232[15:28:09] <colo-work> thing*
2233[15:28:10] <zinx> i use it for building kernels for beaglebone / raspberry pi :/
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2235[15:28:38] <Drzacek> question is, if I have it already compiled, can I just make a package without recompiling whole kernel again?
2236[15:28:42] <colo-work> "make deb-pkg"
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2240[15:29:04] <colo-work> you should also set CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=n in the kernel source's .config
2241[15:29:08] <rudi_s> google77: Ok. In that case I don't know how if there are tools to automate that. But you can use cryptsetup luksFormat to encrypt a partition and either use a assphrase or keyfile for that.
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2243[15:29:40] <Drzacek> changing config will surely make it recompile again
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2245[15:30:03] <colo-work> not everything though; only what needs recompilation.
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2247[15:31:19] <zinx> if you change an option like that, it tends to be everything
2248[15:31:21] <google77> thanks rudi_s
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2253[15:32:12] <Drzacek> I'm 99% sure I turned all debug info off
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2257[15:33:54] <rudi_s> np
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2259[15:34:38] <ancky> I have NIS clients that don't use the +::: in /etc/groups but somehow NIS groups are adapted
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2262[15:35:23] <ancky> does this even work without changing the /etc/group file?
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2287[15:42:29] <rudi_s> ancky: Yes. If you use ldap in /etc/nsswitch.conf (e.g. "group: files ldap") then you don't have to use the compat resolution with +::: in /etc/groups.
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2290[15:44:43] <ancky> rudi_s: this looks promising, there are two different configs
2291[15:44:46] <ancky> thanks!
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2296[15:45:25] <rudi_s> np
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2302[15:47:54] <|DM|> I have a kinda noobish question, would the latest kernel (4.X) work with debian 8.3 ?
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2306[15:51:05] <zykotick9> ,kernels
2307[15:51:06] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
2308[15:51:16] <dionysus69> ok thats it. this is just stupid. Why does rm -rf take 1 second to delete 1.5 gb dir with 300k files while nautilus takes 2 minutes+ ???
2309[15:51:31] <zykotick9> |DM|: see the jessie-backports version number above...
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2313[15:52:36] <hexnewbie> dinoocch: GUIs. Showing the progress bar with effects is important. It's well worth the two minutes. ;) Actually, not really - I think mc is also slower (not sure if as slower). The files just delete way faster than user feedback, and all UIs are overeager to show feedback, so.
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2317[15:53:24] <dionysus69> what is mc?
2318[15:53:26] <themill> dionysus69: nautilus may either moving them to the trash or deleting them one at a time
2319[15:53:34] <hexnewbie> dinoocch: Midnight Commander
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2321[15:54:06] <dionysus69> not moving to trash, I used shift delete
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2323[15:54:37] <dionysus69> maybe one at a time but thats what rm -r does too right? just muuuuch faster
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2326[15:55:29] <hexnewbie> rm is also deleting the files one at a time. However, I experienced roughly the same effect when I wrote an async clamd client. For some reason, clamdscan works way faster, even though they do the same. It's just that my mainloop handles other things that added enough latency to be noticeable... I imagine a GUI, or even text UI to be updated has a similar effect.
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2328[15:56:51] <hexnewbie> If it takes 1 µs for the file to be deleted, and the 5µs for the mainloop to process it, it is bound to be 6 times slower for no reason.
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2338[16:00:32] <|DM|> zykotick9, thanks!
2339[16:00:51] <|DM|> I apt-searched but forgot about backports. My bad
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2343[16:01:44] <_sh00p> a
2344[16:01:51] <_sh00p> sorry, missclick
2345[16:02:15] <fredl> hi folks, I just asked a question about USB webcam on #alsa, but seems nobody there. I'm getting messages saying 'snd-usb-audio 1-1:1.2: cannot find the slot for index 1 (range 0-1), error: -16' in my dmesg
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2349[16:03:14] <fredl> The camera part of the webcam seems to work alright, the microphone doesn't though. Any clue how I can fix the above error message?
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2360[16:08:53] <fredl> Hmm.
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2363[16:08:58] <fredl> okay...
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2366[16:10:04] <mtn> fredl: tried all of your usb ports? used pavucontrol to check devices/sound levels?
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2371[16:12:33] <fredl> well... the USB port works, just that error message comes from ALSA right?
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2374[16:13:10] <stardancer> ls -als
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2377[16:13:19] <mtn> fredl: in troubleshooting, you actually try things that might help. try the other usb ports
2378[16:13:22] <fredl> anyway, I just editted my /etc/modprobe.d/sound...
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2380[16:13:57] <jusss> how I can use 'freeze' with systemctl? I know systemctl suspend will suspend to ram
2381[16:14:07] <fredl> and changed options snd_usb_audio index=1 to options snd_usb_audio index=2
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2384[16:14:27] <jusss> I found there're only 'freeze' and 'disk' in /sys/power/state, no 'mem'
2385[16:14:54] <jusss> so I wonder if I can use 'freeze' with systemctl?
2386[16:14:55] <fredl> after I rmmod snd_usb_audio and then depmod it again It does not seem to be logging that error
2387[16:15:33] <mtn> jusss: man systemctl?
2388[16:15:35] <fredl> and /proc/asound/cards shows my USB-Audio, so oh well, I guess I fixed it myself then :)
2389[16:15:37] <zykotick9> jusss: what is "freeze" do you mean hibernate? "systemctl hibernate" suspends to disk.
2390[16:15:38] <fredl> tnx mtn
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2394[16:16:22] <mtn> fredl: :)
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2419[16:25:19] <jim> I just got an asus q504ua laptop and I'm trying to boot it from usb (probably the only connection this question has to debian, is I want to boot a debian netinstall image from usb)... the problem I believe is it never sees the usb card reader in the first place, but I can write to it from a different machine, it's how I got the image onto it) I would need help figureing out how to get it to see the usb so that at minimum it has a chance to boot it
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2422[16:26:23] <somiaj> jim: how did you write the usb image from the other machine (software used?). Does the laptop bios/efi have any configuration to choose usb as a boot device. If you can't choose the usb as a boot device from the machine, unsure what to do.
2423[16:26:36] <jim> using dd
2424[16:26:47] <asdfffdsa> How does one stop the X server in debian? Is there a systemd service that keeps it up?
2425[16:27:19] <somiaj> asdfffdsa: Sounds like you need to stop the display manager. Do you want to not have a display manager or just stop it after you log out and it brings you back to a graphical login screen?
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2427[16:27:30] <petn-randall> asdfffdsa: Usually you have a login manager like gdm, kdm or xdm running, that takes care of those details.
2428[16:27:42] <somiaj> jim: I would poke around the laptops configuration and see if you can tell it to boot from usb.
2429[16:27:46] <jim> somiaj, maybe that's the key right there, to find out how to get it to boot usb
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2431[16:28:06] <somiaj> jim: you could try putting the model of laptop in google and boot usb see if that gives any useful hits.
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2433[16:28:30] <jim> yeah I can try that again
2434[16:28:31] <asdfffdsa> somiaj: I want to temporarily disable the display manager. It should still startup at boot time though
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2438[16:28:59] <jim> maybe I should get a different usb key
2439[16:29:06] <somiaj> asdfffdsa: the display manager will have a service you can stop. I think you need to be loged out of x to have it work.
2440[16:29:15] <zykotick9> asdfffdsa: is this to install video drivers?
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2443[16:29:30] <somiaj> jim: shouldn't matter, but yes I would use one you know forsure can boot.
2444[16:29:32] <asdfffdsa> somiaj: I disabled lightdm, which comes up in systemd as a display manager
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2447[16:29:52] <jim> I've seen this one boot on other machines
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2455[16:30:23] <asdfffdsa> zykotick9: No, I'm trying to stop all applications using the home directory of a particular user. I've logged out through the display manager and am connected over SSH
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2457[16:30:38] <zykotick9> asdfffdsa: ok, just checkin'
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2462[16:31:41] <somiaj> asdfffdsa: you don't want to disable, you want to stop.
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2465[16:31:57] <asdfffdsa> somiaj: yeah you're right
2466[16:32:10] <somiaj> asdfffdsa: the display manager shouldn't be running as a paticular user. It should be running as root waiting for a user to login.
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2478[16:37:27] <asdfffdsa> somiaj: oh ok i figured it out. i had stopped both lightdm and the vncserver but still saw X apps running. turns out that for some reason there was another vnc server running that i had to manually kill
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2480[16:38:05] <missmbob> another server "for some reason"?? did you do it or are you compromised?
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2483[16:39:23] <asdfffdsa> missmbob: No clue, this was my first time installing debian and one of the first things I did was install realvnc but perhaps debian came with another vncserver installed and started by default
2484[16:39:42] <missmbob> asdfffdsa: debian doesnt come with vnc installed by default
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2487[16:40:14] <missmbob> hell sshd isn't installed by default
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2563[17:06:28] <jhutchins_wk> For anyone reading along, Debian does not install and start any VNC server by default, they have to be manually installed and enabled.
2564[17:06:34] <rudar> hi, does anyone with ffmpeg get this error? "ffmpeg: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libavfilter.so.6: symbol av_opencl_register_kernel_code, version LIBAVUTIL_55 not defined in file libavutil.so.55 with link time reference"
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2567[17:07:07] <rudar> I've found this bug of 2012 replaced-url
2568[17:07:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
2569[17:07:11] <jhutchins_wk> rudar: Which release of debian, which version of ffmpeg?
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2573[17:08:31] <rudar> jhutchins_wk, I'm running debian testing, ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade yesterday (after quite a long time) ffmpeg version is now "Version: 7:3.1.2-1"
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2576[17:09:52] <jhutchins_wk> ,v ffmpeg
2577[17:09:53] <judd> Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-2+deb7u2; jessie-backports: 7:3.0.2-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.1.2-1; sid: 7:3.1.3-1+b3; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:3.1.3-dmo3
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2579[17:10:09] <missmbob> !ddebian-next
2580[17:10:18] <missmbob> !debian-next
2581[17:10:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2583[17:10:29] <jhutchins_wk> rudar: The dmm version might be a solution.
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2586[17:11:36] <jhutchins_wk> rudar: Seems like that bug only crops up on certain operations not everyone uses. You might see if there's an upstream forum where it's been discussed (check the archives before opening a new topic).
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2588[17:12:03] <rudar> jhutchins_wk, that error shows up even when running "ffmpeg --help"
2589[17:12:07] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: If this is a bug from 2012 it's not testing-specific.
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2591[17:12:52] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: What kernel are you using?
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2593[17:12:56] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
2594[17:12:57] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.2-1); stretch: 4.6.0-1-686 (4.6.4-1); jessie-backports: 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
2595[17:13:16] <missmbob> jhutchins_wk: wky?
2596[17:13:29] <rudar> jhutchins_wk, my bug isn't from 2012, it's just similar to the one I'm having
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2598[17:13:36] <rijdfdfp> hey
2599[17:13:41] <missmbob> jhutchins_wk: 4.6. why?
2600[17:13:46] <jhutchins_wk> rudar: Ah.
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2604[17:14:07] <rudar> jhutchins_wk, ffmpeg worked fine before the upgrade
2605[17:14:18] <jhutchins_wk> rudar: Ideally you would compare your testing installation to a stable installation and determine if it's a problem in both.
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2607[17:14:35] <rudar> oh. didn't run dist-upgrade... let's see if that fixes the problem
2608[17:14:57] <jhutchins_wk> rudar: Yeah, sounds like an upgrade induced bug, likely a mis-match between a library (libavcodec) and the ffmpeg code.
2609[17:15:08] <rijdfdfp> I'm looking for a way to "block" the alt-tab behaviour for a specific window ? Or just set a windows as "always focused" ; which is not the same as "always above".
2610[17:15:19] <jhutchins_wk> rudar: It might take a bit for all of the components to get synced.
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2613[17:15:55] <fale> I have found a bug on replaced-url
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2620[17:17:28] <jhutchins_wk> fale: A bug on the web site?
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2625[17:18:38] <fale> jhutchins_wk: nope, on the pgp-tools
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2627[17:18:59] <jhutchins_wk> !bugreport
2628[17:19:11] <jhutchins_wk> !reportbug
2629[17:19:11] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, replaced-url
2630[17:19:42] <rudar> jhutchins_wk, apt-get dist-upgrade solved my problem
2631[17:19:45] <jhutchins_wk> fale: It's important to check bugs.debian.org to see if it's already been reported. There might be a work-around.
2632[17:19:49] <fale> jhutchins_wk: so I use the debian bug system even if I'm dealing with the pgp tools sources and not the bedian package?
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2636[17:20:24] <jhutchins_wk> fale: Well, if the bug exists in the Debian package, there should be a report tracking it, even if the fix needs to happen upstream.
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2639[17:21:11] <jhutchins_wk> fale: If the bug does NOT exist in the debian package (they do get patched), you need to find out what the upstream reporting process is (it varies by project).
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2653[17:25:07] <fale> jhutchins_wk: I don't know if it work in debian (but I guess yes, because I have compiling problems)
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2655[17:25:31] <fale> jhutchins_wk: thanks. sadly I've not found any reference to a bug tracker for the project
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2670[17:29:43] <blackcube> hi
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2699[17:39:45] <DoctorD90> im on jessie. gpg2 hasnt yet the ecc? it will be with next release?
2700[17:39:51] <DoctorD90> !gpg
2701[17:39:51] <dpkg> [gpg] GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG, GPG) is free public-key encryption program, an alternative to <PGP>. Packaged for Debian as gnupg and gnupg2. replaced-url
2702[17:40:13] <DoctorD90> !pgp
2703[17:40:14] <dpkg> Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) is a <non-free> public-key encryption program, previously packaged for Debian as pgp-i and pgp-us. Superseded by the GNU Privacy Guard (GPG), ask me about <gpg>.
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2712[17:43:20] <olscumpy> !vkc
2713[17:43:24] <olscumpy> !vnc
2714[17:43:24] <dpkg> Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. replaced-url
2715[17:43:50] <olscumpy> !vnc setup
2716[17:43:50] <dpkg> [vnc setup] Install <x11vnc> on the remote host and a VNC viewer (e.g. xtightvncviewer, xvnc4viewer) on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 remotehost; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! VNC securely tunneled over SSH!
2717[17:44:12] <missmbob> olscumpy: you can /msg dpkg foo for yourself, btw
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2719[17:44:38] <olscumpy> oh, ok, thanks!
2720[17:44:40] <marijnfs> i would suggest nomachine
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2722[17:44:44] <marijnfs> much better
2723[17:44:50] <marijnfs> but i think closed
2724[17:45:41] <olscumpy> can that one work with windows machines too?
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2726[17:45:46] <DoctorD90> olscumpy, even if it is not in debian repo, I suggest you realvnc :)
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2729[17:46:13] <DoctorD90> it is multiplatform, and I use it *everywhere*
2730[17:46:37] <DoctorD90> just take 1 free token :)
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2733[17:47:58] <marijnfs> it might be windows too
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2736[17:48:40] <marijnfs> yeah seems so
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2740[17:49:20] <jhutchins_wk> Most VNC programs are cross-platform
2741[17:49:54] <olscumpy> cool. I was using teamviewer, but the multiple nag popups make my family think they've got a virus
2742[17:50:08] <jhutchins_wk> olscumpy: You might also look into X forwarding in ssh, no need to forward a whole desktop for one app.
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2750[17:51:34] <smdrz> what is purpose of keyctl
2751[17:51:48] <smdrz> accidently revoked something
2752[17:51:57] <DoctorD90> olscumpy, it depends. VNC needs portforwarding, but you have a direct connect. Not encrypted if you dont puchase license, or dont make a ssh tunneling. Teamviewer is easier.
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2755[17:52:17] <DoctorD90> olscumpy, it depends on your network configuration.
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2757[17:53:00] <olscumpy> not encrypted seems like a bad thing for remote access
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2763[17:53:39] <DoctorD90> olscumpy, as said. VNC allowes ssh tunneling. But it needs the same of portforwarding
2764[17:54:00] <DoctorD90> teamviewer is also cross-platform from what i remmeber
2765[17:54:08] <DoctorD90> !teamviewer
2766[17:54:15] <DoctorD90> no...nothing :P
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2768[17:54:45] <Wotac> i installed debian for my new T430 thinkpad, but the brightness control doesn't work, is it fixable?
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2775[17:55:25] <olscumpy> > I was using teamviewer, but the multiple nag popups make my family think they've got a virus
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2777[17:56:15] <DoctorD90> olscumpy, just setup settings ...
2778[17:56:23] <DoctorD90> it isnt so hard btw
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2780[17:56:40] <olscumpy> figuring out tunneling and using vnc - or realvnc - sounds good
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2782[17:57:08] <olscumpy> DoctorD90: you can't turn off the "thanks for playing fair" popup at the end
2783[17:57:21] <olscumpy> which also pops the main window up
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2789[17:58:19] <DoctorD90> yea...you can delete only payng :)
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2800[18:01:04] <olscumpy> !pedantic
2801[18:01:04] <dpkg> [pedantic] if you're going to be pedantic, be correct!!! (maxim #1)
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2866[18:24:16] <rijdfdfp> how can I check if an app dispose of a translation in my langage (french) or not ?
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2869[18:24:38] <rijdfdfp> I found this replaced-url
2870[18:25:05] <jelly> rijdfdfp: it means it's partial and some strings will be fuzzy or not translated
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2872[18:25:22] <jelly> try it and see for yourself
2873[18:25:26] <rijdfdfp> jelly, could I simply complete the translation and apply them to my system ?
2874[18:25:37] <rijdfdfp> I wonder if it's simple
2875[18:26:18] <jelly> hmm, ask the package maintainer how to help translating
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2887[18:28:00] <rijdfdfp> jelly, okay, i'll send a mail then.
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2913[18:40:46] <jandrusk> Looks like 0ad is broken in Stretch.
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2916[18:41:36] <jandrusk> apt-get only install 0ad-data, no binaries.
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2932[18:47:02] <ThereIsNoYeti> Does anyone have a handy way of managing multiple versions of clang and llvm on jessie? Seems like you need to either install a lot of alternatives in update-alternatives
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2991[19:07:47] <DonPablo> fux is happening in #Amun-Ra wtf
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3006[19:11:14] <c4b3rwolf2> tify cedricpassdis86
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3009[19:11:36] <greycat> oopsie.
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3031[19:19:13] <DeaDSouL> hi, why doesn't debian respect the groups ? like the user can use the webcam even if he wasn't in the video group?
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3055[19:25:20] <petn-randall> DeaDSouL[foodTim: My /dev/video0 is only readable by the video group. Can you show us the output of 'ls -al /dev/video0'?
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3059[19:25:56] <petn-randall> DeaDSouL[foodTim: Also the output of 'id' run as your normal user would be useful.
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3078[19:33:36] <DammitJim> is there a way to ensure a samba mount is always present?
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3080[19:33:47] <DammitJim> or is that an unrealistic expectation
3081[19:33:52] <GNU\colossus> ah scratch that, I was looking at the wrong browser tab ._.
3082[19:34:13] <GNU\colossus> DammitJim, it's unrealistic, as network connections can and do fail
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3086[19:34:43] <GNU\colossus> DammitJim, with a systemd mount unit, you have very flexible control about what should be done if it's not there, or (dis)appears
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3094[19:36:24] <DammitJim> GNU\colossus, with systemd, right?
3095[19:36:46] <DammitJim> what should I tell the developers? I thought I was helping by saying that I could set up a samba mountpoint for them to use
3096[19:36:47] <GNU\colossus> yes
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3101[19:37:18] <GNU\colossus> well, you can provide them with that mount, and they can generally expect it to be available.
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3103[19:37:36] <GNU\colossus> but they cannot expect it to be available AT ALL TIMES, no matter the circumstances
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3106[19:37:58] <DammitJim> what should they do?
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3109[19:38:04] <DammitJim> I'm trying to draw the responsibility line
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3111[19:38:21] <GNU\colossus> DammitJim, have their application fail gracefully if it's not there.
3112[19:38:35] <DammitJim> yeah,that'swhat I told them
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3114[19:38:45] <DammitJim> but I guess at the end of the day, I'm still responsible for the mount to exist
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3117[19:39:12] <andmizyk> clear
3118[19:40:04] <GNU\colossus> DammitJim, well, there's not much one can do if the CIFS server fails, or the link between your host and that server breaks.
3119[19:40:19] <GNU\colossus> (except keeping a cool head and fixing the problem, of course)
3120[19:40:39] <GNU\colossus> but you cannot magically guarantee something like a network service to _always_ be available
3121[19:40:53] <GNU\colossus> to do so would be even more foolish than to trust such a promise ;)
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3124[19:42:22] <DammitJim> can't guarantee it, then
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3136[19:45:43] <newbie_> guys I am running Debian 8 & accusing my window 10 vm thru inc
3137[19:45:44] <newbie_> VNC
3138[19:46:05] <newbie_> when I hit ctrl alt left to get out of vnc fullscreen window I cannot click on anything
3139[19:46:19] <newbie_> the mouse moves into Debian but I cannot click anything
3140[19:46:24] <newbie_> not even in the windows 10 VM
3141[19:46:25] <newbie_> please help
3142[19:46:31] <newbie_> working ...right now I need this to work
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3144[19:47:18] <newbie_> the mouse is moving everywhere but clicking has no effect
3145[19:47:22] <newbie_> Input needed
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3148[19:47:34] <newbie_> VM is still responsive
3149[19:47:39] <newbie_> via alt tab
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3151[19:49:10] <zykotick9> newbie_: what vnc client software are you using? perhaps try a different one? good luck.
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3153[19:49:23] <newbie_> VNC client that came with debian 8
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3155[19:49:44] <newbie_> funny thing is i can click on anything inside debian 8 either
3156[19:49:46] <newbie_> but mouse mvoes
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3158[19:49:58] * zykotick9 has no idea what that might be... his debian jessie didn't come with a vnc client (and he hasn't installed one)
3159[19:50:00] <newbie_> I si see the system monitor updating stats
3160[19:50:13] <newbie_> hmmm ok
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3163[19:50:57] <zykotick9> newbie_: but i'm sure there are a couple of vnc clients in the default repo. my _only_ suggestion is try a different one... good luck.
3164[19:51:38] <newbie_> ok
3165[19:51:40] <newbie_> thanks
3166[19:53:00] <newbie_> its vinargre
3167[19:53:03] <newbie_> whats a good one?
3168[19:53:22] <newbie_> Vinagre for gnome
3169[19:53:57] <zykotick9> newbie_: one method for looking for software from terminal is "apt search vnc" i have no suggestions for a vnc client
3170[19:54:10] <newbie_> ok
3171[19:54:14] <newbie_> thx
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3174[19:56:01] <pugfantus> newbie_: I like remmina, which will do both VNC and RDP
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3178[19:57:05] <newbie_> Pugfantus:thanks!
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3192[20:02:12] <newbie_> I need to read a good debian 8 admin guide
3193[20:02:16] <newbie_> i get stuck a lot
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3200[20:04:18] <snooops> hi im trying to install debian on my android (replaced-url
3201[20:04:21] <snooops> im using jessie
3202[20:04:29] <snooops> any idea what im doing wrong?
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3206[20:06:15] <snooops> ah copy paste error ;)
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3210[20:07:11] <pugfantus> snooops: double check your bootstrap command, be sure your slashes are going the right way
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3215[20:09:32] <newbie_> double check all commands
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3218[20:09:39] <newbie_> {]
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3222[20:10:08] <snooops> hmm, thats my mount
3223[20:10:13] <snooops> : /dev/sdb1 /mnt vfat rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro 0 0
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3226[20:10:26] <snooops> and i get: mknod: '/mnt/debian/test-dev-null': Operation not permitted
3227[20:10:26] <snooops> E: Cannot install into target '/mnt/debian' mounted with noexec or nodev
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3230[20:10:49] <snooops> ah forget it
3231[20:10:50] <snooops> its fat
3232[20:10:52] <snooops> not ext3
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3234[20:11:03] <snooops> man i should stop drinking beer during this stuff
3235[20:11:36] <newbie_> dink spurlina
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3237[20:11:45] <newbie_> pond scum
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3240[20:11:55] <newbie_> keeps you alert
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3254[20:16:13] <Wotac> i installed debian for my new T430 thinkpad, but the brightness control doesn't work, is it fixable?
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3259[20:18:25] <DammitJim> Wotac, what window manager?
3260[20:18:52] <Wotac> looks like it's muffin, i installed cinnamon
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3263[20:19:56] <abrotman> Wotac: there are a few applets, you can try xbacklight
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3272[20:23:16] <Wotac> is that a panel applet?
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3280[20:26:31] <Wotac> ok i check it and installed it, but trying to do "xbacklight -set 100" doesn't increase the brightness
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3303[20:34:02] <DeaDSouL> peterrooney: sorry bro I was away... about '/dev/video0', it's owned by root, and belongs to 'video' group... I've removed 'video' group from the groups I'm a member in, by `gpasswd -d deadsoul video` ... logged out, logged in... and I still can run the webcam
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3305[20:34:45] <DeaDSouL> ops... meant ~> petn-randall: ^
3306[20:35:01] <random_anon> guys could you explain me why .../.config/autostart is owned by normal user, not root?
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3310[20:36:16] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: what is the absolute path of '../.config/autostart' ?
3311[20:36:24] <zykotick9> random_anon: is the full path /home/X/.conf/autostart?
3312[20:36:37] <DeaDSouL> zykotick9: then the owner shoud be 'X'
3313[20:36:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> if you can explain why you think something in your home directory should be owned by root…
3314[20:37:01] <zykotick9> DeaDSouL: i agree.
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3316[20:37:30] <random_anon> DeaDSouL: /home/username/.config
3317[20:37:48] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: the owner should be 'username' then
3318[20:38:01] <zykotick9> random_anon: is things ARE owned by root in a user's home directory <- THAT is a problem
3319[20:38:09] <zykotick9> s/is things/if things/
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3322[20:38:44] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: in general everything in user's home.. should be owned by him.
3323[20:40:05] <random_anon> but its potential security lack
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3325[20:40:26] <greycat> random_anon: if the user has write permission on her own home directory, she can REMOVE the file you placed there and make a new one in its place.
3326[20:41:00] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: because if you're a normal user, the only place you can create/edit/delete things on the system, is in your home directory.
3327[20:41:33] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: no, it can be if you play with the group permission of anything in your home directory
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3329[20:41:55] <DeaDSouL> s/no, it/no, but it/
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3331[20:42:01] <random_anon> but most of people dont check this directory, so potentially there can be bad code placed there
3332[20:42:21] <atralheaven> Hi, is KDE available in the backport repos? if yes, which version is there? thanks
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3334[20:42:45] <missmbob> no
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3337[20:43:28] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: unless it's executable and executed by the owner
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3341[20:43:57] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: besides, again, it will take affect only to the places (dirs/files) owned by that user
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3343[20:44:21] <DeaDSouL> *effect
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3347[20:47:22] <random_anon> but most of people have important data in their /home so spyware can regularly read and send it to attacker.
3348[20:47:53] <rainfyre> random_anon: do you have a different suggestion about where a user's file's shouls be or something?
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3351[20:48:45] <random_anon> not files, autostart imho should be owned by root.
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3354[20:49:16] <nkuttler> ,v mp3gain
3355[20:49:17] <judd> Package: mp3gain on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.2-r2-2+deb7u1
3356[20:49:32] <nkuttler> um. isn't it some policy violation or something if a package suggests a package that doesn't exist any more?
3357[20:49:40] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: ops. i misunderstood what you said... well, what if you want to modify/delete them then ?
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3360[20:50:37] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: then you will have to become root... what if you can NOT be root ? ;)
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3364[20:51:15] <_rubik> Hey guys, does anyone know where I can find a built copy of xcb-util-xrm?
3365[20:51:26] <Wotac> i forgot to mention about my brightness problem that i do see the icon on the screen but there's no bar under it which increases or decreases
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3367[20:51:59] <rainfyre> random_anon: autostart is different for different users though
3368[20:52:00] <random_anon> DeaDSouL i think most of people use desktop debian have root pass'
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3370[20:52:24] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: what if that system is being used by more than one physical user?
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3372[20:53:13] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: giving the root password to all users. is indeeeed bad idea
3373[20:53:56] <random_anon> DeaDSouL visudo + group of users
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3377[20:55:18] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: same thing... sudo is another way to do root's job ;) it gives the users the power of root, just without telling them what is the root's password
3378[20:55:51] <random_anon> DeaDSouL visudo != sudo
3379[20:56:13] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: if you want to let it be owned by root... try it yourself and seel `chown root:root /home/username/.config/autostart`
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3381[20:56:39] <rainfyre> ^^
3382[20:56:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> random_anon, if you made it be owned by root, the user can still rename the directory and make a new one
3383[20:56:47] <random_anon> i really know how to do it, bro
3384[20:57:01] <greycat> random_anon: and then as your user, try "rm -f /home/username/.config/autostart" and watch the fun.
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3386[20:57:11] <random_anon> CutMeOwnThroat: ???
3387[20:57:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> random_anon, and it makes the thing of having user-configured files like .bashrc or autostart pretty much moot, no?
3388[20:57:54] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: but you're gonna make the users sudoers.. aren't you?
3389[20:57:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> random_anon, the user still owns .config, else every other program couldn't make directories for their config there?
3390[20:58:03] <greycat> 14:40 greycat> random_anon: if the user has write permission on her own home directory, she can REMOVE the file you placed there and make a new one in its place.
3391[20:58:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> greycat, you cannot remove a directory with files in it because you cannot remove the files inside… but yeah, same thing
3392[20:58:43] <CutMeOwnThroat> (nearly same thing)
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3394[20:58:54] <greycat> the user can remove ~/.config/root-owned-file
3395[20:59:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes, but not ~/.config/root-owned-dir/ if it has files inside (which would be this case)
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3399[21:00:55] <random_anon> DeaDSouL: no, using visudo you can give permission even to a single file
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3402[21:02:06] <random_anon> CutMeOwnThroat: app that want to edit .config should ask about permission
3403[21:02:38] <DeaDSouL> random_anon: ok, what exactly you're saying you can do to '.../autostart' with visudo?
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3405[21:02:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> random_anon, there are enough other config files that cannot be modified by the user
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3408[21:03:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> the point of a user configuration is that the user can configure it
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