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8[00:02:54] -peeenis- dix dix dix dix dix
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13[00:03:25] <peeenis> Hi
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14[00:03:28] <peeenis> dix
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28[00:09:09] <moncrey> hey sorry to get an answer and bail,
battery actually died on me
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30[00:09:26] <moncrey> thank you again. next task, determine
how to swap my capslock and ctrl
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31[00:09:39] <moncrey> xmodmap wasnt cutting it, dunno why
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33[00:09:56] <moncrey> probably i should try again another way
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41[00:11:25] <peeeeeeenissssss> Hi
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42[00:11:39] <peeeeeeenissssss> i have many dix
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44[00:11:53] <peeeeeeenissssss> every pubic hair on my crotch
is actually another dick
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47[00:12:11] <peeeeeeenissssss> once upon a time i fucked five
whores at the same time
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49[00:12:20] <peeeeeeenissssss> oral anal and pussy all at once
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50[00:12:24] <peeeeeeenissssss> i have so many dicks
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51[00:12:31] * peeeeeeenissssss has multiple dicks
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53[00:12:41] <awal1> ops! ban for peeeeeeenissssss :P thanks
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54[00:12:48] <peeeeeeenissssss> why?
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55[00:12:51] <awal1> !ops ban for peeeeeeenissssss :P thanks
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56[00:12:51] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: awal1 complains
about: ban for peeeeeeenissssss :P thanks
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57[00:13:08] <peeeeeeenissssss> peeeeeeenissssss
peeeeeeenissssss
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59[00:13:23] <peeeeeeenissssss> Y04NN: hello welcome to the
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60[00:13:27] <peeeeeeenissssss> i have many penises
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72[00:16:19] <ytrezq> Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to
use Miracast on Linux
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76[00:17:25] <awal1> ,v miracast
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77[00:17:26] <judd> No package named 'miracast' was
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78[00:17:33] <tx> anyone here used spacewalk / foreman with
debian?
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80[00:17:40] <tx> Looking for Canonical Landscape alts.
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113[00:28:22] <OS-25644> /msg nickserv register 4lf4c3nt47R%
ytavira@gmail.com
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114[00:28:58] <tx> k
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115[00:29:25] <tx> OS-25644: Consider changing your password and
not having a space between the beginning of the line and the /
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117[00:29:44] <tx> OS-25644: open a query window with nickserv
or use the server tab of your client to make it safer.
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119[00:32:33] <OS-25644> sorry im just trying thanks for the j
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120[00:32:36] <OS-25644> help
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140[00:46:07] <Iridos> likcoras, sounds more like you might have
a 2nd thing that modifies resolv.conf
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145[00:47:36] <likcoras> Iridos: Ah, any ideas on what it could
be? I am positive I don't have any other network managers
installed.
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152[00:49:00] <Iridos> hm, no… should be some other type
of network manager or like service?
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154[00:49:41] <Iridos> with some luck, opensnoop could provide a
clue
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155[00:50:03] <Iridos> that's in the perf-unstable package
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157[00:50:24] <likcoras> Hm, alright
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158[00:50:26] <Iridos> not so useful if the process only exists
for a moment, modifies stuff and then ends, though…
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167[00:53:27] <CeBe> Hi, is there an updated version of
replaced-url
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172[00:56:15] <Iridos> obviously someone read this part to write
that warning…
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173[00:56:28] <Iridos> and that someone wrote "is getting
outdated", not "is outdated"
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175[00:56:58] <CeBe> Iridos: Oh, did overread that
"getting" :)
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177[00:57:20] <Iridos> it's also linking you to the debian
sysadmin book thingy… which should be a bit newer
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178[00:57:30] <Iridos> things are more moving towards systemd
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180[00:58:00] <Iridos> but I don't know in detail
what's changing how, as you only find that out when things
break and you have to fix them
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183[00:58:19] <Iridos> and networking has been pretty painless
for me lately
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184[00:58:33] <drgr33n> Anyone having issues with VPNC ?
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186[00:58:52] <CeBe> Iridos: thanks, that already been quite
helpful, did not follow the tip to the handbook
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188[00:59:06] <CeBe> drd
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189[00:59:08] <chibadays> Hiho. Does anyone know if the order of
ipv4 vs ipv6 settings matter in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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191[00:59:12] <CeBe> oops
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193[00:59:25] <CeBe> chibadays: should not
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194[00:59:33] <Dagger> chibadays: it shouldn't. maybe
pastebin your file in case we can spot a mistake?
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204[01:01:14] <chibadays> Because today in a course we
weren't able to switch to ipv6 unless putting the ipv4 lines of
/etc/network/interfaces below the ipv6 lines.
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208[01:02:29] <CeBe> chibadays: I usually have ipv6 below ipv4
so that should not have caused any difference
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211[01:03:24] <chibadays> CeBe: urgh, that's totally
contrary to our experience today. Great ;-)
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212[01:03:55] <CeBe> I am not saying that it does not work for
me in different order though :)
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213[01:05:51] <missmbob> CeBe: i've run into probles where
you needed to have ipv6 after
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214[01:05:55] <missmbob> problems*
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215[01:06:10] <CeBe> what kind of problems?
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218[01:06:41] <missmbob> CeBe: some routers wouldn't
respond to 4 if 6 had already been requested
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220[01:07:25] <CeBe> okay, but that is external to the system.
so both would be configured on your system correctly just the router
does not understand it, right?
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223[01:07:47] <chibadays> CeBe: Ok, but we literally had to put
the lines concerning iv4 below the ipv6 lines to make it work. We
had been experimenting with quagga and some custom routing, before.
So that's where we supposed the mistake, but in the end it was
the order of those lines. *sigh*
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226[01:08:10] <missmbob> CeBe: 4 would hang and not receive an
ip
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227[01:08:52] <CeBe> hm ok
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228[01:09:50] <missmbob> CeBe: this
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229[01:10:12] <chibadays> Maybe I should fill a bugreport?!
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230[01:11:13] <chibadays> ...because the order shouldn't
matter, but apparently it does.
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231[01:11:21] <CeBe> missmbob: I see so that is dhcp related
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232[01:11:35] <CeBe> chibadays: could you paste your file?
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233[01:11:42] <missmbob> sure. you can call dhcp from interfaces
file
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234[01:12:03] <CeBe> missmbob: yeah all fine :)
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237[01:12:31] <CeBe> so I do not need to worry
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241[01:13:48] <chibadays> CeBe: It's on the
"training-laptop", which is quite far away from me now,
but I will be spending the day tomorrow in front if it ;-) From
9:00h am on.
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242[01:14:11] <CeBe> which timezone? :)
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244[01:14:25] <chibadays> Europe/Berlin
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245[01:14:30] <chibadays> :-)
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246[01:14:34] <CeBe> k
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247[01:15:10] <CeBe> not sure if I'll be there but there
are others that may be able to help
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250[01:15:45] <chibadays> Anyways, thanks a lot. Maybe text some
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339[02:03:54] <KingsQuest> hello
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340[02:04:09] <tomcres> hello
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341[02:04:11] <KingsQuest> is debian better than ubuntu in
stable and non-stable and untested ?
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342[02:04:53] <KingsQuest> it is legal for me to download
non-free iso
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343[02:05:00] <tx> depends and yes
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344[02:05:01] <KingsQuest> where can i find it on web ? my
google is messed up
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345[02:05:06] <KingsQuest> it is
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346[02:05:15] <tx>
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347[02:05:33] <tx> is probably what you are looking for.
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348[02:05:37] <Noah0504> Those aren't net-install only, are
they?
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349[02:05:58] <tx> yeah they are :(
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352[02:06:11] <Noah0504> That's what I always use, but not
sure that's what he wants though.
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353[02:06:14] <tx>
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355[02:06:23] <tx> the live DVD's have a non-free firmware
alternative though
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357[02:06:34] <tx> and you can install from them, so eh
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358[02:06:46] <Noah0504> Good to know. :)
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359[02:07:06] <KingsQuest> can you convert a 8.6.0 non free
alternative to the united states mirror ?
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360[02:07:13] <KingsQuest> after installing
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361[02:07:28] <tomcres> sure. just change the mirror in
/etc/apt/sources.list
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362[02:07:29] <Noah0504> KingsQuest: Do you have a good Internet
connection?
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363[02:07:35] <KingsQuest> yes
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364[02:07:42] <KingsQuest> my download is very slow
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367[02:08:06] <Noah0504> If you use the first link posted,
you'll download the net-install image. If you install from
that, it will download all of the packages needed.
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368[02:08:20] <KingsQuest> i like that idea
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369[02:08:25] <Noah0504> You can pick your mirror before
installation and you'll have a fully up-to-date install after.
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370[02:08:27] <KingsQuest> does it include a live installer ?
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371[02:08:33] <KingsQuest> the debian-nonfree
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372[02:08:41] <Noah0504> No live install, but it has a graphical
install.
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373[02:08:48] <KingsQuest> okies
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374[02:08:50] <Noah0504> You'll just select it from the
menu after you boot.
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377[02:09:15] <tx> the second link I posted is a live DVD
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378[02:09:21] <tx> which will boot into the GUI and also allows
installation
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383[02:12:01] <tomcres> I'm not too familiar with the Live
DVD. Is it suitable also to use as a rescue/utility disc?
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384[02:12:10] <tx> yes!
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386[02:12:18] <tx> It boots you up into a live environment.
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387[02:12:21] <bazhang> why not a live usb
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388[02:12:25] <tx> With a GUI and everything.
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390[02:12:42] <tomcres> awesome…I'm going to keep it
on USB to have "just in case" :-)
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391[02:12:45] <bazhang> you could even make it a usb with
persistence if you wished
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392[02:12:45] <tx> bazhang: because they are ISO files and we
are using CD/DVD to differentiate image sizes :P
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393[02:12:56] <tx> at least I am :(
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394[02:13:06] <tx> Come on, nobody _actually_ still uses optical
media do they.
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395[02:13:07] <bazhang> there's no persistence on optical
media
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396[02:13:08] <tx> I haven't in years.
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397[02:13:32] * dvs raises hand
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400[02:14:05] <bazhang> pendrivelinux.com has ways to do it
tomcres
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401[02:14:08] <tx> I'd need to go to my cupboard and get my
BDDVD drive out to read anything.
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402[02:14:27] <tomcres> do I need to run isohybrid on it, or can
I dd it as is?
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403[02:14:37] <tx> the iso files can be dd'd.
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404[02:14:47] <tx> (they are already hybrid)
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405[02:14:47] <tomcres> cool. thanks
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406[02:15:03] <Noah0504> tx: Sometimes it comes in handy. :)
Mostly on the stupid Windows machines I have to fix at work
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407[02:15:27] <tx> I have windows 7/10 installers on a USB
though. :P
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408[02:15:27] <Noah0504> However, optical media is mostly dead.
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409[02:16:01] <Noah0504> I just hate having to use that stupid
Windows USB Install creator. I haven't found a better way.
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411[02:16:42] <tx> you can just format it NTFS and copy the
files over lol
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415[02:16:44] <tx> it will work
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416[02:16:57] <Noah0504> Hmm... I can't believe I
haven't tried that.
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417[02:17:02] <Noah0504> I'll do it tomorrow!
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419[02:17:08] <tx> assuming it is formatted on windows
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420[02:17:16] <tx> I haven't tried after formatting with
gparted or whatever.
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421[02:17:25] <Noah0504> I would do it on Windows.
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426[02:19:55] <scokovski> Hi, found this guide and I thought I
could apply it to a Debian Openbox system, but I was wrong...
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427[02:19:57] <scokovski>
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428[02:20:17] <scokovski> There doesn't seem to be a
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-keyboard.conf in Debian.
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429[02:20:32] <Noah0504> You can just make that file.
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431[02:20:48] <Noah0504> If they tell you what to add.
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434[02:21:27] <scokovski> It does, but only for the part which
is relevant to this, so it seems that there are other settings in
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436[02:21:40] <scokovski> In the guide it says: In section
"InputClass", after the line Identifier
"system-keyboard", add the lines
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437[02:21:53] <scokovski> So, if it mentions a specific section,
there must be others.
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439[02:24:00] <Noah0504> Hmm... I think the local X11 config for
your user will be under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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441[02:24:06] <Noah0504> See if the file you need is there.
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445[02:25:36] <ytrezq> Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to
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447[02:28:11] <KingsQuest> SHENMUE 900 days never happened in
the history of the United States. on any server !
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448[02:28:36] <KingsQuest> anyone know where i can get
netinstall image ?
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449[02:28:42] <KingsQuest> with graphics
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450[02:28:54] <Noah0504> KingsQuest: The first link that was
posted earlier.
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451[02:28:59] <KingsQuest> thanks
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452[02:29:11] <Noah0504> When it boots, it will have install and
then graphical install.
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453[02:29:44] <Noah0504> Just select graphical with your
keyboard.
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476[02:46:40] <gry> hi! I am trying to type in an audio track in
k3b, in an audio cd project. it types latin characters ok, but types
no characters when I press a keyboard key in cyrillic layout. what
may I do, please? i asked #kde, but have not got a response so far.
thanks in advance.
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487[02:51:36] <tomcres> gry yeah, I can't get it to work
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490[02:52:43] <tomcres> I wonder if CD-TEXT supports non-ASCII
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491[02:53:56] <tomcres> Just checked the Wikipedia article for
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492[02:54:03] <KingsQuest> that is iso9660-9
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493[02:54:17] <KingsQuest> for iso
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515[03:12:31] <nmschulte> how can I use aptitude (in interactive
mode, or otherwise I guess) to allow resolution w/o installing e.g.
a held package?
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526[03:19:29] <Lady_Aleena> Greetings and salutations...
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527[03:19:35] <tomcres> hello
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528[03:20:27] * Lady_Aleena reminds self there is an offtopic channel
so goes there.
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529[03:20:31] <ytrezq> Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to
use Miracast on Linux
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531[03:21:47] <nmschulte> this looks bad: [ 6894.399241]
systemd[1]: segfault at 1 ip 00007f8984bce496 sp 00007ffee6c79f68
error 4 in libc-2.24.so[7f8984b4e000+195000]
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533[03:22:03] <nmschulte> during an aptitude update... do I
reboot?
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534[03:22:33] <Lady_Aleena> Anything new about Debian I might
need to know which happened in the last several months?
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535[03:22:34] <tomcres> I don't think you need to reboot.
What happens if you issue another `aptitude update`?
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536[03:22:36] <LtL> nmschulte: no
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537[03:22:46] <nmschulte> systemd is non-respond
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538[03:23:17] <nmschulte> oh, aptitude is continuining
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539[03:23:50] <nmschulte> invoke-rc.d: initscript udev, action
"restart" failed.
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540[03:23:55] <tomcres> systemd should respawn itself if
I'm not mistaken
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541[03:24:35] <nmschulte> it may have...
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542[03:24:55] <nmschulte> is this normal systemd upgrade
procedure? i didn't realilze that was updating, I need to pay
more attn I guess
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548[03:27:18] <tomcres> I'm surprised that it segfaulted
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549[03:27:19] <nmschulte> it looks like something may have been
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550[03:27:31] <nmschulte> I am in an X session, yeah.
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551[03:27:45] <nmschulte> was just installing google-chrome to
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552[03:30:01] <tomcres> Maybe a reboot isn't a bad idea
just to make sure that systemd has all of its parts running
correctly.
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556[03:30:17] <nmschulte> okay, aptitude finished
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557[03:30:52] <nmschulte> udev needs configured yet
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558[03:30:58] <nmschulte> but it needs systemd running I suppose
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559[03:31:42] <tomcres> udev is part of systemd now, so if
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560[03:31:52] <johnkeates> welcome to systemd hell
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561[03:31:53] <nmschulte> okay, taking the plunge.
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562[03:32:18] <nmschulte> REISUB...
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592[03:51:50] <nmschulte_> what's the quickest way to setup
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mode via debian instller?
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638[04:29:31] <GenTooMan> Argh I have been trying to update
using synaptic but it seemed to always lock up when reading change
logs. So I ended up using the cli as root, that's a bit
frustrating.
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683[05:01:55] <nmschulte_> What are the .efi bins in the
netboot/ directory of the installer for?
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684[05:02:07] <nmschulte_> Do I need them for PXE via UEFI, or
is UEFI irrelevant at that point?
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685[05:02:17] <nmschulte_> They are not included in the
netboot.tar.gz blobs.
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686[05:03:22] <Duser> just curious if anyone here is using the
rtl8723be wifi driver?
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687[05:04:42] <nmschulte_> I lied; it is in the netboot.tar.gz.
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689[05:06:01] <KingsQuest> AND NEVER DAMNABLE FOR AN EQUATION
ENDING IN 100%. TIED TO AMERICAN SERVERS 900 DAYS. LIKE SHENMUE ISO
FOR SOMEONE IN UNITED STATES LIKE ME.
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690[05:06:05] <KingsQuest> oops
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691[05:06:06] <KingsQuest> sorry
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692[05:06:09] <KingsQuest> wrong channel
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696[05:08:00] <KingsQuest> i use lilo when my root is JFS and it
works. and i install the non-free firmware to break selinux and that
works to for me. i'm pleased with debian as a product.
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764[06:06:44] <dsjackins> anyone have any idea why my wifi turns
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765[06:07:12] <somiaj> dsjackins: do you see any errors/messages
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767[06:08:19] <dsjackins> i'll check once it turns off in a
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772[06:09:46] <redrabbit> hi
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776[06:10:06] <redrabbit> on lxde, when can i setup power
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777[06:10:28] <redrabbit> there is no option to shutdown the
screen after x minutes only on battery
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778[06:10:49] <redrabbit> where*
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779[06:11:15] <GPenguin> redrabbit: thats hidden in the config
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781[06:11:44] <GPenguin> (i think)
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782[06:11:59] <redrabbit> in "preferences"?
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783[06:12:07] <GPenguin> yes
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790[06:13:01] <redrabbit> what's the element in the menu to
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794[06:15:37] <GPenguin> redrabbit: well. should be in the menu
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795[06:15:48] <redrabbit> ok
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797[06:16:07] <redrabbit> there is no option regarding battery
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798[06:16:44] <nmschulte_> Okay, I can't seem to resolve
this systemd seg-fault in libc issue I'm having; can't
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799[06:16:52] <redrabbit> anothing thing, when i use screensaver
to turn the monitor off
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800[06:16:54] <nmschulte_> Anyone able to lend a hand, I'd
appreciate it.
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801[06:17:13] <redrabbit> when i gets back its back to default
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802[06:17:18] <redrabbit> its not kept :/
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811[06:19:49] <GPenguin> i remember that you had to do some
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813[06:21:02] <GPenguin> there is also #lxde on irc.oftc.net
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814[06:21:30] <GPenguin> there is the debian wiki and the lxde
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815[06:21:35] <redrabbit> theres a chan here as well
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816[06:21:44] <redrabbit> is it more active out ther
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817[06:21:57] <GPenguin> have not tried them
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819[06:23:25] <redrabbit> i had to make a script for screen
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820[06:24:08] <redrabbit> xbacklight was erratic and i had to
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821[06:24:21] <redrabbit> are other light DE less trick ?
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822[06:24:23] <redrabbit> y
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823[06:24:31] <redrabbit> like xfce or mate
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824[06:24:43] <redrabbit> never tried them on a laptop, only
desktop
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826[06:26:22] <redrabbit> GPenguin: what package should i
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828[06:26:51] <redrabbit> its almost antique gear, so i
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829[06:27:09] <redrabbit> id rather stay sound-less if thats the
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830[06:27:11] <redrabbit> e
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833[06:29:36] <alamak> Hi
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834[06:29:42] <redrabbit> xfce4-mixer i guess
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835[06:29:45] <redrabbit> hi
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851[06:39:02] <Old_Dog> I've logged in on my LMDE2 Betsy
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reachable. That seems so highly unlikely that I suspect I must be
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877[07:03:56] <Old_Dog> I've logged in on my LMDE2 Betsy
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900[07:13:56] <jmcnaught> Old_Dog: this is probably something
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904[07:15:09] <jmcnaught> !lmde
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905[07:15:09] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not
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928[07:32:18] <WorkdIrc> i just have a question if you please is
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953[07:47:49] <NickNo1> Hi, how do i install debian with a
"--force-badname"-option ?
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959[07:54:41] <jmcnaught> NickNo1: what do you mean?
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961[07:55:35] <NickNo1> Hi, how do i install debian with a
"--force-badname"-option to install with a uppercase
Username ?
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962[07:56:19] <jmcnaught> NickNo1: is the Debian installer
giving you an error when you try to include an uppercase character
in a username?
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967[07:57:57] <NickNo1> jmcnaught if you dont know you
distribution never mind answering... on question you are not able to
answer...
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969[07:58:33] <jmcnaught> NickNo1: i'm asking you for more
context because your question isn't clear, but it's fine
if you don't want my help.
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972[07:59:31] <NickNo1> jmcnaught, instead give people with the
knowledge the opportunity to answer....
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973[07:59:38] <NiceasIce> jmcnaught did you get all the updated
?
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975[07:59:58] <NiceasIce> just try this apt-get update
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977[08:00:06] <NiceasIce> and then apt-get upgrade
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978[08:00:21] <jmcnaught> NiceasIce: you must mean someone else
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979[08:00:21] <NiceasIce> and that should install the new
pakages
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980[08:00:37] <NiceasIce> nope i mean you
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981[08:00:54] <NiceasIce> any ways so sorry if i stepped in like
that
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982[08:01:05] <zxcvbn> NickNo1: 'force-badname' should
be an option for 'adduser' command, not for debian
installer
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984[08:01:59] <zxcvbn> NickNo1: you can install debian as usual
and then add custom alias to your commands
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989[08:03:34] <jmcnaught> "how do i use adduser's
--force-badname in the debian installer? i am getting $ERROR when i
try to enter $FOO."
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991[08:03:55] <jmcnaught> is an example of asking a clear
question that is still concise
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1002[08:09:08] <NickNo1> I see, how do i install debian with a
uppercase Username then , if you dont know , please keep it silent
so i dont miss the answer...
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1015[08:18:57] <jmcnaught> NickNo1: if the installer is giving
you a hard time about it, don't create the account in the
installer. after the installation, log in as root, use adduser to
create the account with whatever options you want
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1016[08:20:23] <NickNo1> jmcnaught, thanks for your advice, but i
am not looking for a workaround.... , this is not helping me, okay ?
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1019[08:21:46] <jmcnaught> you'd be done installing Debian
by now if you didn't get stuck on this non-issue. best of luck.
if you don't like the help you can always go somewhere else :)
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1020[08:22:40] <NiceasIce> jmcnaught question is there a way i
can secure an IRcd on Debian or keep my VPS safe ?
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1021[08:23:11] <NickNo1> I am personally in need to install
debian with a uppercase "Username", directly...with no
workaround by addding a User aferward, thanks, but please keep it
silent and give knowledgeable people with experience give the
answer..., dont interfere anymore, please... !
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1028[08:24:48] <jmcnaught> NiceasIce: securing an IRC daemon will
be the same on Debian as on any distro. if you have a more specific
question someone might have an answer, but you will likely have
better luck in the channel for whatever IRC daemon you're using
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1031[08:27:00] <jscoder> This program called TheBrain
(thebrain.com) created a directory in my home dir that contains a
single file, and even doing rm -rf as root, it keeps coming back
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1034[08:27:24] <jscoder> I've uninstalled the program but
its lockfile won't delete
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1051[08:29:19] <jmcnaught> jscoder: you're sure the program
didn't leave anything behind?
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1096[08:31:13] <NickNo1> jscoder, as far as i remember there used
to be a special switch maybe for "chown" or
"chmod" or another command that would enable you to delete
any file, even files root is not allowed to delete. !
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1099[08:31:20] <jscoder> jmcnaught: it was installed to
/usr/local/thebrain which is gone and I dont see any unusual
processes
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1101[08:31:36] <jscoder> NickNo1: oh it deletes it.. it just
keeps coming back
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1107[08:32:09] <jscoder> when I use caja it shows it in the
trash, and when I use rm -rf as root it disappears from caja.. it
just comes back either way
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1110[08:32:14] <jmcnaught> jscoder: what is the file in question?
Did the program install any services units or init scripts? cron
tasks etc?
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1113[08:32:52] <jscoder> jmcnaught: its an ascii text file called
brain.lock.db
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1114[08:33:13] <CrazyTux> hi jscoder.
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1116[08:33:31] <jscoder> #FileLock #Fri Jan 13 02:23:33 EST 2017
id=159967c65687b77bcfa44dca74ac09903f650f003fe method=file
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1117[08:33:39] <jscoder> those are the 4 lines in it
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1136[08:35:55] <awal1> jscoder, shift-delete ?
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1140[08:36:34] <jscoder> awal1: yeah. its not that, its deleting
it, its just coming back right after it deletes it
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1157[08:38:30] <awal1> you may have something of that program
somewhere, probably in your home dir, not removed
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1158[08:38:42] <NickNo1> this is hilarious, Knoppix 3.4 offerd
uppercase Usernames... back in 2004... but debian is not allowed to
?
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1161[08:39:07] <jscoder> you'd certainly think so.. but I
dont see it
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1164[08:41:01] <NiceasIce> its was nice talking to all of you am
going to bed
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1165[08:41:10] <NiceasIce> good night every one
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.local/share?
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1235[09:09:30] <SunOS> hello , i`m using debian 7
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1236[09:09:38] <SunOS> how can i update to debian 8
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1242[09:10:50] <jelly> dpkg, tell SunOS about wheezy->jessie
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1243[09:11:38] <SunOS> 10x
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1244[09:12:29] <jelly> SunOS: you can ask the bot about other
stuff in private, eg. /msg dpkg release notes
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1245[09:12:40] <jscoder> awal1: yeah there's nothing in
there
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1246[09:12:53] <SunOS> ;)
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1250[09:15:48] <awal1> jscoder, sounds like a nsa trojan :P
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1252[09:16:22] <awal1> nah, just a joje; try rm via tty, after
log out from X
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1253[09:16:26] <awal1> joke
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1256[09:17:08] <jscoder> awal1: yeah clamav did turn up some
trojans..
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1265[09:17:56] <jscoder> awal1: PUA.Win.Trojan.Xored-1 though
I'm not taking that too seriously
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1278[09:20:14] <awal1> jscoder, personally, I only install from
debian repos, even if that makes me missing "something"
sometimes; if really really needed i run x third party stuff only in
vm
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1282[09:21:53] <jscoder> awal1: yeah, well the trojan thing is in
firefox's cache
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1283[09:22:18] <awal1> good news
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1284[09:22:18] <jscoder> this is a fresh install I just did last
night.. clamav was just being overzealous
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1286[09:23:00] <jscoder> I just installed that brain software to
check it out, I haven't used it in over a decade. not a whole
lot seems to have changed
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1292[09:24:17] <jscoder> I'm gonna reboot and delete every
f'n thing.. heh
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1296[09:24:50] <jscoder> well.. everything except the sawfish
config I'm gonna backup now
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1297[09:25:07] <awal1> you may try to have the habit of testing
stuff in vm first
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1302[09:25:44] <jscoder> awal1: yeah well hindsight is 20/20
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1306[09:28:58] <CrazyTux> which is the best virtualization
package available for linux?
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1308[09:29:14] <CrazyTux> I mean, that can be installed in Linux
OS?
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1316[09:32:17] <jmcnaught> CrazyTux: my favourite is libvirt and
KVM
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1367[09:45:49] <jscoder> doh.. just realized I had more stuff I
should've backed up :-P
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1368[09:46:56] <jscoder> forgot about my virtualboxes.. oh well.
I have the vdi files backed up
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1369[09:47:08] <zxcvbn> jscoder: how is your file, is it deleted
now?
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1371[09:47:26] <jscoder> yeah I deleted the whole homedir
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1374[09:48:09] <jscoder> I forgot I installed 3 guest OSes
though..
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1375[09:48:12] <zxcvbn> maybe you should restore homedir :)
because bad process still can be up and running, it just cant create
that file
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1378[09:48:56] <jscoder> zxcvbn: it was a java app, it was
probably the jvm itself doing it
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1380[09:49:25] <jscoder> we all know how braindead java is
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1383[09:51:04] <zxcvbn> anyway somehow bad code was inside jvm
and that can happen again
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1384[09:51:32] <jscoder> yeah that TheBrain program is a giant db
app that didn't want you accidentally deleting its data
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1387[09:52:26] <jscoder> you look at what type of program it is,
you'd understand.. its made to house all your thoughts and
ideas, and organize all your files
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1403[09:55:45] <zxcvbn> mind and files organizer, can make you a
genius or businessman, only $9.99/month
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1406[09:56:17] <zxcvbn> installation: sudo installer.sh
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1410[09:57:11] <alwyn> Why does the whois package contain
mkpasswd?!
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1411[09:57:19] <alwyn> That seems like such a weird package to
put it in
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1412[09:57:28] <jscoder> alwyn: haha.. I always wondered that
myself.
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1413[09:57:29] <alwyn> (see
replaced-url
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1415[09:58:02] <jscoder> I never use it for what its intended
anyhow.. I use it to random seed my brain when making passwords.
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1418[09:58:32] <alwyn> lol?
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1422[09:59:21] <alwyn>
replaced-url
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1423[09:59:28] <jscoder> you know, let it output a bunch of crap
then select random bits to use as your password
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1425[09:59:40] <alwyn> I meant it more for mkpasswd in whois
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1426[10:00:03] <jscoder> yeah idk wtf mkpasswd has to do with
whois
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1427[10:00:10] <alwyn> No pwgen -s xx? :)
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1428[10:00:26] <alwyn> Then you have a lot of different strings
to pick one from!
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1429[10:00:31] <alwyn> Or combine them yourself
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1430[10:00:43] <alwyn> Or -sy if you want to make it even harder
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1462[10:18:20] <chibadays> Hello debian hackers. We had a strange
incident yesterday in a course: We played with debian network
configuration and ipv6, to learn about tcp/ip. When trying to
activate ipv6 through /etc/network/interfaces it only worked with
ipv6 before ipv4 settings in the interfaces file. Which should not
be the case, as I have been told. Here is the working version of our
config file:
replaced-url
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1477[10:25:37] <babilen> chibadays: Some people are quite
reluctant to look at pastebin.com - Might be a better idea to use a
less shitty pastebin such as one of
replaced-url
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1493[10:31:41] <grawity> and while you're at it, maybe
pastebin the output of e.g. `ifup -v eth0` with both the working and
non-working configs
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1503[10:35:52] <chibadays> babilen: Thanks a lot. Done proberly:
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1514[10:43:02] <vkolchev> hello, what can be the reason for
crontab not working? I added @reboot /path/to/binary , and it does
not run on startup. I can start it manually though
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1518[10:44:23] <thib> what's wrong with pastebin.com?
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1519[10:44:59] <bezaban> thib: is there anything wrong with it?
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1522[10:45:31] <thib> 09:25:37< babilen> chibadays: Some
people are quite reluctant to look at pastebin.com
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1523[10:46:03] <babilen> dpkg: pastebin.com
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1524[10:46:03] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever
to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills
the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like
replaced-url
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1525[10:47:04] <thib> i see, thanks
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1526[10:47:29] <bezaban> ah, yes I'm on board too.
Didn't read the backlog that far :)
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1540[10:56:35] <if_gaga0> hello guys, today haproxy 1.7.2 has
been released, and can anyone explaine, when this package is
avialable in debian?
replaced-url
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1542[10:57:12] <bazhang> ,v haproxy
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1543[10:57:14] <judd> Package: haproxy on amd64 --
jessie-security: 1.5.8-3+deb8u1; wheezy-backports:
1.5.8-3+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.5.8-3+deb8u2;
wheezy-backports-sloppy: 1.7.1-1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports:
1.7.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.7.1-1; stretch: 1.7.1-1
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1546[10:57:43] <azerty123> hi
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1548[10:58:47] <ws2k3_> does debian not broadcast a shutdown
anymore? when i hit reboot in jessie my ssh session just hangs, with
wheezy the ssh session nicely closed
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1551[10:59:14] <if_gaga0> bazhang: as i see
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1561[11:04:01] <babilen> if_gaga0: The new version will have to
be packaged, yes
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1563[11:05:38] <if_gaga0> babilen thanks, good news, can you tell
me when will this happen?
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1565[11:06:38] <babilen> if_gaga0: How could I possibly know ?
I'm not the maintainer nor does Debian have any form of
surveillance that would allow us to answer questions like that. ;)
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1567[11:07:16] <babilen> I guess "In due course" -- It
was released today, so be a bit patient :)
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1602[11:25:34] <unborn> guys whats the default keyboard in
awesome debian for uk?
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1604[11:28:52] <bazhang> awesome?
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1605[11:29:05] <bazhang> en_uk?
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1610[11:32:02] <unborn> bazhang: I cannot get super key work with
shortcuts
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1613[11:33:47] <bazhang> unborn, is this xfce, gnome-shell or
what
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1614[11:33:56] <unborn> gnome
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1615[11:34:26] <bazhang> unborn, gnome-shell has a plugins
website
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1616[11:34:37] <bazhang> they have tonnes of addons
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1617[11:34:41] <unborn> when I press super+r while creating new
shortcut, it only keep saying multikey
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1620[11:36:12] <dionysus69> when is wayland DM going to be
default for debian?
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1621[11:36:25] <bazhang> never?
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1622[11:36:31] <dionysus69> why not lol
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1623[11:36:36] <bazhang> I thought it was mir
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1626[11:36:45] <bazhang> perhaps thats me confused
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1627[11:36:52] <bazhang> ,v wayland
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1628[11:36:53] <judd> No package named 'wayland' was
found in amd64.
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1631[11:37:55] <dionysus69> i am talking about xorg vs wayland
thing
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1633[11:38:20] <bezaban> ,v mir
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1634[11:38:21] <judd> No package named 'mir' was found
in amd64.
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1635[11:38:24] <bazhang> yes I am aware
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1638[11:38:41] <bazhang> wayland has another name iirc
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1639[11:38:41] <grawity> ,v x11
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1640[11:38:42] <judd> No package named 'x11' was found
in amd64.
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1642[11:38:50] <grawity> what was the point, again?
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1648[11:39:56] <grawity> it's a protocol, it doesn't
have its own package... gnome-shell and gdm can speak X11 and
Wayland, and I think Wayland is already the default in 3.22
(upstream, not debian)
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1651[11:41:51] <sruli> on a ssd drive, if i overwrite the header
of luks partition do i need to run fstrim to make sure its gone? so
far i can only find how to run fstrim on a mounted FS
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1653[11:43:20] <grawity> that's because fstrim is a
filesystem tool
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1654[11:43:33] <grawity> if all you need is the low-level
operation (TRIM/discard), use blkdiscard
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1657[11:43:57] <sruli> grawity: will look that up, thanks
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1658[11:44:06] <grawity> although regular TRIM doesn't
necessarily delete any data
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1659[11:44:14] <grawity> just tells the SSD to consider the area
free
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1660[11:44:21] <grawity> --secure might work better, though
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1661[11:44:33] <Dagger> chibadays: here's a theory: if the
inet stanza is first, then it'll be processed first, which
involves bringing the interface up. when the interface comes up,
Linux will send an RS and get an RA in response -- which it'll
ignore because presumably you have forwarding=1 and you don't
have accept_ra=2
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1662[11:44:52] <Dagger> chibadays: then it'll process the
inet6 stanza which sets accept_ra=2, but that's too late for
the first RA
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1664[11:45:10] <sruli> grawity: --secure with which tool?
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1665[11:45:22] <grawity> sruli: same
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1666[11:46:17] <Dagger> presumably it'd set up fine if you
waited until the next RA came in (or triggered one with `rdisc6`),
or alternately if you set accept_ra=2 in sysctl.d or from a pre-up
line in the inet stanza (so that it's set before the interface
comes up)
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1668[11:49:10] <sruli> grawity: to use blkdiscard i will need to
first take the start point from parted or similar, i cannot run it
on partition, right?
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1669[11:49:17] <grawity> sruli: dunno
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1670[11:49:42] <grawity> try it and see if you get an error
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1684[11:56:04] <darxmurf> hi all
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1685[11:56:46] <darxmurf> how can I make an addition of
"dirations" in bash ? I have a list of durations formated
as HH:MM:SS I have to addition
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1689[12:00:20] <sruli> grawity: whichever way i am getting error
ioctl failed operation not supported... i gues will hae to test on
real ssd instead of vm
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1694[12:01:41] <grawity> sruli: very few VMs support TRIM
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1695[12:01:52] <darxmurf> found it: for + sum="$(date -u -d
"$EPOCH $i" +%s) + $sum"
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1696[12:01:56] <SynrG> darxmurf: an obvious way would be to
convert them to seconds, add them, then convert them back. do you
need a pure shell solution? if not, probably awk would help.
assuming a file of durations in that format, set your delim to : to
split into three fields, add hh*60*60 + mm*60 + ss, and do the
reverse when you print the sum in your END
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1697[12:02:05] <SynrG> ah, or that :)
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1699[12:02:26] <SynrG> darxmurf: does that work if HH = 90, for
instance?
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1700[12:02:47] <sruli> grawity: its debain on kvm, but dont see
ssd option in disk bus.. will be a pain to test on real one.. but no
other option
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1701[12:03:09] <darxmurf> I don't have HH=90
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1702[12:03:10] <darxmurf> :D
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1703[12:03:13] <darxmurf> but good question
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1704[12:03:21] <grawity> sruli:
replaced-url
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1706[12:03:43] <darxmurf> invalid date ‘jan 1 1970
90:05:26’
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1707[12:03:45] <darxmurf> nop :)
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1708[12:03:45] <SynrG> darxmurf: or MM or SS = 90 for that matter
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1709[12:03:48] <SynrG> yeah
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1710[12:03:59] <SynrG> so, doesn't generally handle all
possible HH:MM:SS durations :p
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1711[12:04:08] <darxmurf> true
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1713[12:04:13] <SynrG> darxmurf: try the awk approach
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1714[12:04:21] <darxmurf> but as it was a list of phone call
duration it's fine :-)
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1716[12:05:15] <SynrG> darxmurf: ah, so it does seem rather
unlikely a phonecall will exceed a day
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1717[12:05:16] <darxmurf> ah yep, awk to add HH+HH MM+MM SS+SS
then convert everybody to min
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1720[12:06:08] <sruli> grawity: thanks
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1724[12:08:23] <neko1984> hi
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1731[12:10:40] <neko1984> I've made a sdcard backup with
command dd into a file .img . When i try to restore it in the same
sdcard (with dd command again) i get an error that indicates there
isnt enough space in the sdcard
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1732[12:10:49] <neko1984> why happen this?
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1734[12:11:26] <jscoder> neko1984: you probably did something
wrong. try mount the image
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1736[12:12:15] <neko1984> how?
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1737[12:12:40] <jscoder> neko1984: what was the filesystem on the
original sdcard? Fat32?
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1738[12:12:53] <neko1984> ext4
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1740[12:13:22] <jscoder> neko1984: ok well then mount -o loop -t
ext4 backup.img /mnt
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1741[12:13:48] <jscoder> neko1984: if you can mount the image you
can access the data that way and copy it back
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1743[12:14:38] <neko1984> wrong fs type
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1744[12:14:40] <jscoder> it all depends on how you created the
image though. you didn't say what you typed when you did the dd
command
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1748[12:15:50] <neko1984> sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=backup.img
bs=4M
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1749[12:16:17] <jscoder> heh
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1751[12:17:09] <neko1984> sdcard has two partitions (is a
raspbian os)
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1752[12:17:28] <neko1984> fdisk -l shows:
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1754[12:18:54] <neko1984> fdisk -l shows:
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1756[12:20:05] <neko1984> "/dev/mmcblk0p1 W95 Fat32
(LBA)"
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1757[12:20:11] <neko1984> "/dev/mmcblk0p2 Linux"
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1758[12:20:11] <jscoder> I'm pretty sure you will have
screwed up that image by making the byte size 4M
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1761[12:21:23] <neko1984> do you believe i have to execute the
same command without bs option?
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1763[12:22:21] <jscoder> no I just think you wanted a smaller bs,
because a 4MB bs could corrupt the partition table I would think
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1764[12:22:48] <neko1984> 16K? 128K?
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1766[12:23:42] <neko1984> thanks for your help, jscoder :-)
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1767[12:24:10] <jscoder> I think 512k is the standard size for
blocks on pc partitions
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1769[12:24:46] <grawity> first time I've heard of that
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1770[12:24:53] <grawity> 512 *bytes*, maybe
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1771[12:24:57] <grawity> (or commonly 4 kB)
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1772[12:25:00] <jscoder> oh, yes right
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1773[12:25:27] <jscoder> there is a utility that can map device
nodes for partitions in a file
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1775[12:25:47] <jscoder> !info kpartx
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1776[12:26:03] <grawity> for that matter, losetup --partscan can
do the same
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1781[12:26:30] <dpkg> kpartx: (create device mappings for
partitions), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-1 (sid),
Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 78 kB
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1790[12:30:21] <neko1984> i dont understand how kpartx works :(
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1793[12:31:08] <if_gaga0> babilen: thanks for clarification :]
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1794[12:34:18] <jscoder> neko1984:
replaced-url
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1803[12:39:02] <zxcvbn> How to make and mount file with
filesystem inside? I do: dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/tmp/big.file;
mkfs.ext2 /var/tmp/big.file; mount -o loop -t ext2 /var/tmp/big.file
/media/file; result is: "mount: /media/file: mount failed:
Unknown error -1"
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1804[12:39:39] <grawity> zxcvbn: can you manually losetup the
file?
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1806[12:39:49] <zxcvbn> RAM is small, ~200mb, and linux is
running on OpenVZ, kernel is 2.6.32, if that matters
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1807[12:39:51] <grawity> ah
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1808[12:39:57] <grawity> you can't really do shit like that
on OpenVZ
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1809[12:40:04] <zxcvbn> grawity: how to losetup it?
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1810[12:40:24] <grawity> that is, AFAIK, even if you can mount
stuff, you still cannot loop devices on OpeNVZ
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1811[12:40:43] <grawity> *cannot use loop devices
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1813[12:41:31] <zxcvbn> there are no files like /dev/loop*;
"losetup /dev/loop0 /var/tmp/big.file" returns an error:
"losetup: /dev/loop0: failed to set up loop device: No such
file or directory"
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1814[12:41:42] <zxcvbn> so there's no way on OpenVZ. okay :(
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1815[12:42:16] <grawity> you're sharing the host's
kernel with all other "VMs"; there's very little you
*can* do
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1817[12:43:42] <zxcvbn> but mounting custom file should not be
very hard and limited operation
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1819[12:44:14] <grawity> it's not hard
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1820[12:44:16] <grawity> it's just limited
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1822[12:44:36] <grawity> mainly because loop devices are still
devices, and they're not namespaced – the configuration
is global
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1825[12:47:01] <zxcvbn> actual problem is: my OpenVZ provider is
overselling disk space and sometimes there is no free space left, I
thought somehow I can create a fixed-size container and reserve some
space for myself
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1827[12:47:51] <zxcvbn> I can mount tmpfs from RAM, but it is
very small
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1828[12:47:53] <grawity> you definitely need a better provider
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1829[12:47:55] <jelly> find a better provider and/or get your
money back
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1832[12:48:07] <grawity> KVM VPSes start at $7/month
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1834[12:48:24] <jelly> my xen VM is 2€/month
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1835[12:48:35] <zxcvbn> my cheap OpenVZ is $10/year :)
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1836[12:48:43] <grawity> zxcvbn: but that's why it's so
cheap
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1837[12:48:46] <jelly> tanstaafl
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1838[12:49:24] <zxcvbn> there's only one problem today: free
space..
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1843[12:50:45] <zxcvbn> google says its possible to mount .tar.gz
and dynamically update content, maybe there is a way to create
.tar.gz with fixed reserved file size
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1845[12:52:16] <jelly> you're not likely to be able to mount
stuff inside an openvz container
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1851[12:54:13] <zxcvbn> I think im still able to mount stuff like
"sshfs", though thats not a solution (network connection
lost = data lost)
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1853[12:55:49] <MACscr> if im using wpa_passphrase, how can i
copy and paste the generated psk into my network/interfaces file
when I am at console and have no mouse
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1855[12:56:27] <OtakuSenpai> hello guys
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1858[12:57:08] <OtakuSenpai> if i want to install the firefox
package from stretch,will there be any problem?
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1859[12:57:09] <grawity> MACscr: just type the original
passphrase in there
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1860[12:57:23] <grawity> MACscr: but, if you're editing with
vim, ":r !wpa_passphrase foo bar" would insert it
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1862[12:57:34] <grawity> MACscr: in nano, Ctrl-R Ctrl-X if I
remember correctly
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1863[12:57:50] <OtakuSenpai> im currently in sid
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1864[12:57:52] <grawity> or you can redirect the command to
>>interfaces
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1866[12:58:08] <MACscr> grawity oh, i didnt know i could store
the passphrase in the config. i will check that
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1867[12:58:09] <zxcvbn> okay I think I found a solution,
according to google its called 'sparse file', when file is
using disk space but contains no data. Now its time to create
oversized .tar.gz archive and mount .tar.gz instead of mounting loop
image file
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1868[12:58:23] <grawity> zxcvbn: you can't mount a .tar.gz
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1869[12:58:39] <zxcvbn> grawity: why?? :((
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1870[12:58:39] <grawity> zxcvbn: also that's not how sparse
files work
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1871[12:58:46] <grawity> zxcvbn: because it's an archive,
it's not something mountable!
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1872[12:59:04] <grawity> zxcvbn: and even if it had a mountable
filesystem, you *still* couldn't mount it without using either
FUSE or a loop device
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1873[12:59:08] <zxcvbn> grawity:
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1874[12:59:14] <zxcvbn> :(
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1875[12:59:19] <grawity> here archivemount is FUSE
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1876[12:59:35] <grawity> *and* it works by rebuilding the archive
anew, it doesn't update anything in-place
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1879[13:00:13] <grawity> (I wonder if a raw (uncompressed) .tar
could be updated in-place... probably still no)
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1880[13:00:46] <jelly> clearly they need a fuse-based
implementation of ext3/4 :-)
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1881[13:00:51] <jelly> but honestly, it's not worth our time
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1981[14:03:57] <tdn> Having just installed a new debian system, I
notice that there are some system users who have a different uid/gid
than on my backup. This is users/groups such as 'statd',
'sshd', 'audio', 'video'. I would like
to fix this so that all my machines has the same uid/gid for the
same users. Is there a list somewhere of all "wellknown"
UIDs and GIDs on Debian?
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1990[14:07:31] <p1p10l0> maybe it's not complete, but look
at: /usr/share/doc-base/users-and-groups
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1991[14:07:39] <p1p10l0> ^^^ tdn
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1992[14:08:16] <tdn> Taking a look
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1993[14:08:21] <p1p10l0> mmm it does not list UIDs and GIDs, only
their purpose by name
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1994[14:08:24] <p1p10l0> sorry
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1995[14:08:28] <tdn> It does not list uids
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1996[14:08:32] <tdn> Yeah
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1998[14:08:54] <tdn> OK. I guess I will just change the uids/gids
on the new machine :)
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2000[14:09:21] <tdn> Even though it is tedious to search through
every file and change ownerships as well....
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2001[14:09:37] <jrtc27> tdn: was the old machine Debian too?
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2002[14:09:50] <tdn> jrtc27, yes, all my machines are debian. 7
or 8
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2005[14:10:45] <jrtc27> anything in 100-999 is dynamically
allocated for system accounts
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2007[14:11:05] <jrtc27> 0-99 are statically allocated
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2010[14:11:31] <tdn> jrtc27, some of these are in 0-99. Like
audio (29) and video (44)
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2012[14:11:45] <tdn> The problem is, I have a file server that
already have an audio and video group with a high id.
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2014[14:12:08] <tdn> Because back when that was installed
(debian5 or 6) there was no audio nor video gruop in 0-99
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2016[14:12:31] <jrtc27> tdn: I strongly suggest you make
everything use 29 and 44 in those cases
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2017[14:12:32] <tdn> And I guess that may cause problems now that
I change the UID/GID for these.
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2018[14:12:50] <themill> the video group was added in 1999
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2019[14:13:18] <tdn> jrtc27, ok, but that is useful info then. So
I guess I just change those gruops to 29 and 44. But can I count on
that numeric ID being static across all future debian installations.
No matter what order various packages are installed in?
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2022[14:13:48] <themill> tdn: for users and groups that are part
of base-passwd, yes
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2023[14:13:58] <tdn> themill, ok
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2025[14:14:01] <jrtc27> (which is anything below 100)
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2026[14:14:14] <tdn> I think this might be something to put in
the release notes or update instructions.
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2027[14:15:36] <themill> document that things haven't
changed?
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2029[14:16:22] <tdn> themill, no. Document when new users are
added to that range so that sysadmins can go through the newly added
users/groups and check if they have a group/user already with that
name.
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2030[14:16:35] <tdn> The issue is that adding new users to that
range may cause naming collisions
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2031[14:16:37] <themill> that is documented
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2033[14:16:57] <themill> and adduser will never add things to
that range without you forcing it
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2034[14:17:05] <tdn> themill, ok, then I must have missed it.
Where do I find this in the release notes?
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2035[14:17:16] <tdn> themill, no, no, that is not the problem.
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2036[14:17:56] <tdn> themill, the problem is not uid/gid
collisions. It is naming collisions. Say, I have a group named video
with gid 1007 and a bunch of files owned by that group.
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2037[14:18:13] <tdn> And at this point there is no group named
'video' in 0-99 range.
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2038[14:18:30] <themill> When new users are added, this is
documented
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2039[14:18:35] <themill> (and groups)
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2040[14:18:38] <tdn> Then at some point a group named
'video' is added to this range and maintained by
base-passwd. This is then given the static id 44.
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2041[14:19:29] <jelly> tdn: interesting, the group
"video" has existed in default /etc/group since at least
debian 5
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2044[14:19:41] <themill> jelly: 1999
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2045[14:19:49] <jelly> wfm
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2046[14:19:52] <tdn> jelly, my file server may very well predate
that...
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2048[14:19:59] <tdn> Or at least the file system of that server.
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2049[14:20:09] <tdn> The hardware has been changed a couple of
times :)
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2050[14:20:30] <jelly> tdn: changing the name of your custom
group is probably the easiest thing to do
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2055[14:20:54] <jelly> fighting the passwd package on every
release upgrade is a PITA
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2056[14:21:05] <tdn> jelly, yeah, or maybe just start using the
real 'video' group, right?
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2058[14:21:26] <tdn> jelly, yeah, I do NOT want to fight any of
the base packages :)
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2061[14:22:22] <tdn> I must have missed the section about changes
to users in base-passwd when upgrading. :/
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2062[14:22:26] <jelly> tdn: I wouldn't use the real video
group, the idea used to be it would give access to specific entries
in /dev
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2063[14:22:55] <jelly> crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 Jan 10 16:48
/dev/fb0
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2064[14:22:57] <tdn> jelly, ok. I'll rename mine then. :)
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2065[14:23:18] <themill> tdn: when upgrading 16 years ago?
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2067[14:23:32] <themill> this isn't going to be in the
jessie release notes
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2069[14:23:51] <themill> it might be in the potato release notes
but I CBF looking
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2074[14:25:14] <jelly> probably more amusing than libc5 leftovers
I found during wheezy->jessie in 2015 or so
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2075[14:25:25] <themill> :)
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2079[14:27:02] <tdn> themill, apperently :)
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2080[14:27:43] <themill> anyway, you're not likely to hit
this again as adding new users and groups just doesn't happen
any more. I think the last addition to base-passwd was a decade ago
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2082[14:29:21] <tdn> themill, ok
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2083[14:29:38] <tdn> Where can I find a list of uid/gid and names
defined in base-passwd?
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2084[14:30:01] <tdn> Oh. I can just look in passwd and group
files, I guess :)
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2085[14:31:02] <jelly> also, debian-policy
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2086[14:31:07] <themill> /usr/share/base-passwd/*.master
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2118[14:44:03] <__0> howdoyoudo, folks!
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2121[14:44:16] <tomcres> hello
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2123[14:45:09] <__0> want improve debian by reporting a bug, how
to make this?
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2124[14:45:33] <babilen> dpkg: tell __0 about reportbug
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2125[14:46:18] <__0> babien "msg bots NOT people", am i
a bot?
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2126[14:46:40] <babilen> I have insufficient data to answer that
question yet
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2127[14:46:59] <babilen> The fact that you misspelled my nickname
indicates that you are not a bot however :)
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2128[14:47:05] <jelly> I had a very similar conversation with __0
yesterday
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2132[14:47:55] <jelly> babilen: they're just incoherent as
all hell, in any language (managed to persuade them to try
#d-russian)
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2152[14:55:54] <xmj> hola
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2153[14:56:06] <xmj> newbie question: is there a package for
reposync (!) available on debian ?
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2156[14:56:53] <themill> xmj: what are you trying to achieve?
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2158[14:57:17] <babilen> xmj: As in yum?
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2159[14:57:17] <TomTomTo1> ,i yum-utils
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2160[14:57:18] <judd> Package yum-utils (admin, extra) in
jessie/amd64: Utilities based around the yum package manager.
Version: 1.1.31-2; Size: 117.6k; Installed: 426k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2161[14:57:34] <TomTomTo1> .. has the binary reposync
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2162[14:57:44] <xmj> oh, sweet
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2163[14:57:56] <xmj> themill: conquer the world
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2164[14:58:07] <babilen> I doubt that yum will help with that
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2166[14:58:24] <themill> as a better question and you'll get
a better answer
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2178[15:01:08] <xmj> TomTomTo1: thanks
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2184[15:03:08] <__0> sorry for induced disconnect, what about
bots and people?
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2187[15:03:49] <babilen> __0: What about it?
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2188[15:03:59] <__0> !dpkg tell report bug
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2190[15:04:05] <TomTomTo1> the bots can send instructions to
people to not clutter the channel.
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2191[15:04:05] <littlebit> hi people I have recently updated
owncloud and I have an issue now with owncloud. checking my logs of
php5-fpm.log:
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2192[15:04:14] <neglesaks> ? is it normal that the update logs or
descriptions of package updates in the usual package updater abb for
current Debian does NOT show?
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2198[15:07:52] <__0> !reportbug
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2199[15:07:52] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
replaced-url
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2204[15:10:30] <Vizva> whats a good website reaper?
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2206[15:11:07] <redrabbit> hi, do you guys know an addon for
chromium to avoid downloading all scripts images and bloat stuff
when you visit sites on old pc/3G connectin
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2207[15:11:11] <GPenguin> Vizva: wget, curl
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2210[15:12:28] <redrabbit> also, has a strange issue with ssh
keys login. i have generated a key and ssh-id-copy'd it, its on
the remote pc, i checked. somehow still asks for pw
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2212[15:13:02] <redrabbit> its the 100 time i do this, 1st time i
get an error. must have failed something
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2218[15:14:32] <frostschutz> redrabbit, ssh is very very picky
about permissions. check `ls -ld / /home /home/user /home/user/.ssh
/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys` that nothing has wrong permissions.
also of course the file content has to be correct, some people copy
multi-line putty keys in there
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2221[15:14:59] <redrabbit> allright
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2222[15:15:07] <redrabbit> probabably a permission issue
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2223[15:15:19] <redrabbit> i figured since i did ssh-keygen and
id-copy
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2224[15:15:25] <redrabbit> that was taken care of
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2225[15:15:30] <frostschutz> or just check the logs for error
messages
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2264[15:37:13] <dbest> hello
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2270[15:39:13] <redrabbit> frostschutz:
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2271[15:39:23] <redrabbit> files inside .ssh are all 600
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2272[15:39:29] <redrabbit> and the folder itself is 700
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2274[15:39:36] <redrabbit> so the permissions are good
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2275[15:39:44] <redrabbit> (on both machines)
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2276[15:40:26] <GPenguin> and when you set the server and client
to be verbose with their error messages?
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2277[15:40:41] <redrabbit> i did ssh -v -i file user@hos
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2279[15:41:00] <redrabbit> the result is in the dpaste
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2281[15:41:35] <frostschutz> redrabbit, the homedir itself too?
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2283[15:41:57] <jer0me> hmmm, my user has umask set to 077 which
is great but a bit inconvenient when using sudo without -i (root
inherits the umask and creates not readable conteth for my user). Is
there somekind how workaround? I can't seem to find any.
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2284[15:42:09] <jer0me> s/how/of
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2286[15:42:50] <redrabbit> frostschutz: the user homedir is
drwxr-xr-x
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2294[15:44:43] <frostschutz> redrabbit, debug it on the server
side too, see if sshd has aught to complain about
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2295[15:44:54] <redrabbit> ok
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2297[15:45:18] <jer0me> hmm, umask_override
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2301[15:47:17] <frostschutz> redrabbit, you could also try
renaming .ssh to .ssh-nopetynope then ssh-copy-id again, if it works
then find the difference. can't think of anything else, sorry.
does it work for other users? did you change things in sshd config?
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2333[16:01:46] <mandeep> when changing the mouse speed in mouse
and touchpad settings, which application is being called? i'd
like to set the mouse acceleration to a faster setting than the gui
allows
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2335[16:02:16] <redrabbit> frostschutz: i'm missing
something too, i dont get where the issue is from and its not like
its the 1st time i troubleshoot this
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2336[16:02:26] <redrabbit> i'm gonna try your idea
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2341[16:05:32] <Vizva> <GPenguin>
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2342[16:05:56] <redrabbit> frostschutz: well your trick worked
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2343[16:06:06] <redrabbit> probably some known_hosts issue
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2345[16:06:08] <redrabbit> maybe
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2346[16:06:12] <redrabbit> i'm gonna toss the old .ssh
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2347[16:06:24] <Vizva> thx but i need something easy to configure
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2348[16:06:37] <redrabbit> thank you for the help
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2351[16:07:08] <Vizva> maybe it is
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2352[16:07:11] <Vizva> i check it
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2361[16:08:48] <athena> !skylake
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2362[16:08:48] <dpkg> an <intel-gfx> chipset requiring
firmware. For jessie support, enable <backports> and
<non-free sources>, then install <bpo kernel>,
xserver-xorg-video-intel and firmware-misc-nonfree from
jessie-backports.
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2373[16:12:57] <redrabbit> Vizva:
replaced-url
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2375[16:13:09] <redrabbit> this one is cookie cutter easy
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2383[16:16:44] <Vizva> redrabitt yes i see it on debian i check
it thx
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2385[16:16:52] <redrabbit> Vizva: apt-get install webhttrack will
do to install it
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2392[16:17:40] <drzs> hi
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2393[16:17:48] <tomcres> hi
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2394[16:18:05] <redrabbit> hi
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2398[16:18:30] <drzs> how r u all
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2399[16:18:38] <redrabbit> cool
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2400[16:18:52] <athena> hello
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2402[16:19:04] <redrabbit> just changed all my local ips to a
more uncommon subnet
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2403[16:19:08] <athena> can someone tell me if i'm doing
something wrong?
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2404[16:19:10] <athena> No packages will be installed, upgraded,
or removed.
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2409[16:19:35] <redrabbit> instead of 192.168.0.0/24 i go for
something like 192.168.132.0/24
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2410[16:19:35] <athena> home/athena# aptitude -t jessie-backports
install linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
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2411[16:19:35] <athena> No packages will be installed, upgraded,
or removed.
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2412[16:19:41] <athena> ?
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2413[16:19:45] <drzs> why
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2414[16:19:50] <drzs> @rabbit
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2415[16:19:59] <redrabbit> should help me for complex routing
situations
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2417[16:20:22] <drzs> ah i see, networks are not my thing. I code
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2418[16:20:31] <redrabbit> theres lots of networks that use
192.168.0.0/24 or 192.168.1.0/24
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2422[16:21:02] <redrabbit> so if you want to connect to that
network while you're still connected to your main networks
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2423[16:21:19] <redrabbit> better off having different ranges for
each network
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2424[16:21:27] <redrabbit> i have to do that on my vpn's as
well
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2425[16:21:33] <redrabbit> change the defaults
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2427[16:22:07] <drzs> ok ok
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2439[16:25:52] <dbest> what are the security channels?
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2441[16:26:06] <redrabbit> ##security
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2442[16:26:11] * bezaban shudders
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2443[16:26:11] <GPenguin> there are no good ones that are public
the same time
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2444[16:26:11] <xelly> dbest: security channels for what?
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2445[16:26:18] <xelly> !goal
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2446[16:26:18] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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2449[16:26:34] <jhutchins> 192.168.0 and 192.168.1 are the most
common default subnets pre-configured on routers.
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2451[16:26:57] <redrabbit> indeed
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2452[16:27:05] <redrabbit> makes sense to use something else
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2453[16:27:25] <redrabbit> bit of a pita to renew / update every
config
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2455[16:27:35] <redrabbit> mac reservations ect
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2456[16:27:43] <redrabbit> but its worth it to organize
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2462[16:28:25] <redrabbit> now i know for sure 192.168.188.222 is
my router
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2464[16:28:49] <redrabbit> and not another machine on another
network
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2482[16:36:16] <Vizva> rerabbits its not so easy because on
archive.org :P
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2485[16:36:22] <Vizva> redrabbit
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2508[16:45:32] <redrabbit> ok
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2509[16:45:35] <redrabbit> gl
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2539[16:55:05] <jornstian> "E: Package 'mediawiki'
has no installation candidate" shouldn't default deb8 have
mediawiki available? as far as I can tell this says so...
replaced-url
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2540[16:55:39] <TomTomTo1> ,v mediawiki
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2542[16:55:40] <judd> Package: mediawiki on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:1.19.20+dfsg-0+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1:1.19.20+dfsg-0+deb7u3;
jessie-backports: 1:1.27.1-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:1.27.1-2; sid:
1:1.27.1-3; stretch: 1:1.27.1-3
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2543[16:55:48] <jornstian> ..or would I have to enable the
backports?
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2544[16:55:48] <TomTomTo1> only in jessie-backports
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2545[16:55:53] <jornstian> kk
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2547[16:56:56] <jornstian> thnx
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2594[17:13:52] <no_gravity> What's a good way to create high
load avg with on board tools?
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2600[17:16:18] <han-solo> goNuts(){ goNuts|goNuts & };goNuts?
:} (kiddin')
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2604[17:17:34] <frostschutz> han-solo, not funny
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2606[17:17:45] <han-solo> sorry
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2607[17:17:46] <han-solo> :}
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2608[17:17:47] <KnightsWhoSayNi> i giggled
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2617[17:19:18] <Toordog> what debian community use to do
authentication with Active Directory?
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2619[17:19:45] <GPenguin> google is in that case not of use. what
a bummer
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2620[17:20:00] <GPenguin> i am tembed to run goNuts :)
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2622[17:20:28] <GPenguin> tempted too
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2638[17:27:01] <Stadtpirat> Hey guys, I have the a backport repo
in my apt sources. I think I don't need it anymore, but I am
not sure. Can I somehow list if there are any packages that are
installed from a particular repository?
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2644[17:28:24] <han-solo> check policy
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2645[17:28:54] <Stadtpirat> ?
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2657[17:30:23] <jhutchins> Stadtpirat: dpkg -l | grep bpo
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2661[17:31:03] <jhutchins> Toordog: Debian pretty much has the
same tools available in any Linux distro. sssd seems to be the most
developed method.
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2662[17:32:11] <Stadtpirat> jhutchins, that worked, thanks.
certbot comes from backports. i remember now :)
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2664[17:32:55] <Toordog> jhutchins i couldn't agree with you
on this. sssd is based on the FreeIPA developed by redhat and the
only maintainer to port the packages to debian is timo jaalton and
because of some Debian library decision, we are stuck with a very
old version of it under debian. One that has the HA bug, where sssd
won't throttle the other host defined in the config file.
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2666[17:33:50] <Toordog> I would say that Debian lag behind when
it comes of managing large scale infrastructure.
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2667[17:33:55] <Toordog> but i might be wrong
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2670[17:35:02] <beatsteak> Are there any efforts to improve the
Debian wiki? Is there a working group for that? I'd like to
participate and help out
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2676[17:40:07] <abrotman> I assume you've seen
replaced-url
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2680[17:41:04] <beatsteak> abrotman, that approach is not working
well. Whenever I read an article it says "fuckulol"
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2682[17:41:17] <abrotman> eh?
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2683[17:41:31] <beatsteak> The documentation is not good
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2684[17:41:41] <grawity> including the documentation on the wiki
itself?
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2685[17:41:53] <abrotman> oh, well, it's a wiki, you can
sign up for an account and help make it better
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2686[17:42:06] <xelly> can you?
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2687[17:42:16] <beatsteak> Someone should be responsible for the
content
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2688[17:42:27] <xelly> beatsteak: that's not how wikis work
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2689[17:42:57] <beatsteak> xelly, tell me more about how wikis
work
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2692[17:44:20] <GPenguin> i am curious aswell
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2694[17:44:31] <Toordog> what tools debian community use to
manage large scale infrastructure inventory?
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2696[17:44:52] <xelly> abrotman: trying to resend the activation
link results in http error 500
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2703[17:45:39] <xelly> beatsteak:
replaced-url
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2704[17:46:11] <GPenguin> thats a long read
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2718[17:49:11] <beatsteak> xelly, I think that anarchic approach
works for tiny projects - it does not for big projects. If Debian
strives to have reliable and good documentation, Debian ought to do
something about it. Think of Wikipedia
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2721[17:50:10] <beatsteak> peer based production is fine, but it
needs some form of management, too
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2727[17:54:35] <GPenguin> beatsteak: the group of active wiki
writers might be small. and it has always been like that. and i
think that has to do with the philosophy to read the manual and the
code not a wiki
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2728[17:54:39] <xelly> beatsteak: noone loves doing management.
If you want to help documenting, why not just start doing do, in the
areas you've got expert knowledge of
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2733[17:56:08] <beatsteak> xelly, see my initial question
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2738[17:56:35] <xelly> I have
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2739[17:56:46] <centrx> Also note there are typically other docs
online for the same questions -- some specific to Debian or Ubuntu
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2741[17:57:02] <centrx> The value add of perfecting the Debian
docs is not as great
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2743[17:57:14] <beatsteak> xelly, documentation must be
organised.
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2745[17:58:06] <GPenguin> some individuals do that. for example,
they wrote a book
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2751[17:59:43] <GPenguin> beatsteak: how would you motivate the
majority of debian contributors to work on the wiki?
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2752[17:59:56] <beatsteak> force them at gunpoint
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2754[18:00:24] <xelly> beatsteak: it won't organise on its
own
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2755[18:00:37] <xelly> you feel something is missing, start doing
it
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2758[18:00:57] <beatsteak> xelly, I came here to find out if any
form of organisation already exists. I'll have a look at it
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2759[18:00:58] <jer0me> I don't know how the arch guys do
it.
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2761[18:01:30] <xelly> beatsteak: if you have examples of your
own work, show it, dunno, maybe in #debian-replaced-url
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2764[18:01:34] <jer0me> I guess it comes with all the hacks
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2767[18:01:48] <beatsteak> xelly, thanks
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2768[18:01:56] <xelly> beatsteak: oftc is the main debian irc
network, this channel is basically a leftover
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2771[18:02:42] <grawity> still twice as large as the one on oftc
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2779[18:04:50] <xelly> a festering leftover, then
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2784[18:05:40] <xelly> beatsteak: wiki.debian.org is also virtual
package bugs can be filed on (and fixed)
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2787[18:06:38] <xelly>
replaced-url
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2862[18:44:00] <ctcx> After testing and experimenting, I turned
my mind into #$%% mess. I'm having trouble with group stuff.
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2863[18:44:49] <ctcx> 1) How can one change user's primary
group? 2) How can one dis-append supplementary group from user? 3)
How can one *delete* a unix group?
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2867[18:45:49] <sh00p> ctcx, check out /etc/group
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2868[18:45:55] <xelly> ctcx: 1) use usermod 2) likewise 3)
groupdel
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2869[18:46:04] <sh00p> or that
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2870[18:46:06] <tomcres> 1) vipw 2) vigr 3) groupdel
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2875[18:47:12] <sh00p> personally i prefer to edit the files
manually... i accidentally removed all groups i belonged to using
usermod once
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2877[18:47:17] <newuser> Hi, how can I play .wav files from CD?
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2878[18:47:22] <newuser> What do I have to install?
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2880[18:47:37] <newuser> I searched, but couldn't find
anything useful.
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2882[18:47:49] <xelly> newuser: audio cd?
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2885[18:47:56] <tomcres> cdtool
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2886[18:48:05] <tomcres> ,i cdtool
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2888[18:48:06] <judd> Package cdtool (sound, optional) in
jessie/amd64: text-based audio CD player and CD-ROM control
commands. Version: 2.1.8-release-2; Size: 70.9k; Installed: 172k
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2890[18:48:39] <newuser> Yes, audio CD.
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2891[18:49:12] <newuser> But with some graphical music player,
I'm setting up an old laptop for my neighbor.
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2892[18:49:23] <newuser> They aren't technical at all.
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2893[18:49:35] <tomcres> what desktop are you using?
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2894[18:49:40] <sh00p> perhaps vlc player can play audio
cd's
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2895[18:50:13] <newuser> Openbox
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2896[18:50:22] <newuser> VLC opens the file, but no sound.
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2897[18:50:26] <tomcres> perhaps goobox
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2899[18:50:38] <tomcres> ,i goobox
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2900[18:50:39] <judd> Package goobox (gnome, optional) in
jessie/amd64: CD player and ripper with GNOME 3 integration.
Version: 3.3.1-6; Size: 287.3k; Installed: 987k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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2903[18:50:58] <n4dir> probably it's better to rip the cd
and play the files then (be the format be wav or whatever you want)
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2904[18:51:21] <newuser> I copied a file to Documents and
it's the same.
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2905[18:51:30] <n4dir> i recall i wanted to do it back then, but
it didn't work well (and i was told to better first rip, then
play)
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2907[18:51:34] <ctcx> "vipw", "vigr"? What?
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2909[18:52:02] <tomcres> vipw and vigr edit /etc/passwd and
/etc/group respectively
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2910[18:52:11] <newuser> Ok, thanks. I hope I will figure it out.
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2912[18:52:30] <n4dir> newuser: wav files sure enough play here,
with moc, but i would not know which plugins are needed to play them
(plugins as i miss a better term)
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2917[18:54:06] <ctcx> xelly: I have used usermod before, just
don't know how would I use it to just "dis-append"
one or 2 groups without setting all groups from 0
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2918[18:54:14] <supi> halo
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2921[18:54:55] <xelly> ctcx: those are low end tools to edit
files containing user and group membership info, safely. Be careful,
you can easily break your system with them
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2922[18:55:07] <supi> mir.geht.gut
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2923[18:55:10] <xelly> (Re: vipw, vigr)
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2924[18:55:14] <tomcres> hallo supi
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2927[18:55:51] <supi> halo.tomcres
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2930[18:57:08] <xelly> ctcx: or right, that's a pain. Debian
has "adduser" and "deluser" wrappers that have
simple syntax to just add a user to a group "adduser username
groupname" and remove "deluser username groupname"
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2931[18:57:36] <Toordog> the channel on oftc is dead, nobody
talking
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2932[18:57:43] <xelly> Toordog: be patient.
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2933[18:58:23] <xelly> Toordog: if noone answers, try again later
or ask on the debian-user or maybe debian-enterprise mailing lists
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2935[18:58:48] <xelly> dunno if the latter is still alive
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2941[19:00:47] <ctcx> xelly: sorry, could not understand the
answer (if that was really an answer...)
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2944[19:01:22] <xelly> ctcx: man deluser
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2946[19:01:54] <xelly> ctcx: last line in SYNOPSIS
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2947[19:02:25] <han-solo> upgrade from j to x :}
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2948[19:02:45] <sumalee_> halo
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2949[19:02:54] <xelly> oh right
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2953[19:03:45] <sumalee_> mir.geht.gut
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2957[19:04:27] <han-solo> that wasn't an upgrade? :}
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2958[19:04:55] <jelly> a sidegrade at best
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2987[19:13:34] <ctcx> Say, user1 has primary group
"grp0" and supplementary "grp1" "grp2"
"grp3". Isn't there a way to only remove grp3 from
user1 by using usermod?
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2989[19:14:34] <tomcres> ctcx you could also just do `gpasswd -d
user1 grp3`
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3017[19:26:44] <mishehu> greets folks. I'm trying to set up
pacemaker (1.1.15 which *might* be from backports) on jessie.
corosync seems to launch, but `sudo systemctl start pacemaker` or
`sudo systemctl start corosync` will hang. I'm using a config
for corosync from our old centos machines running pacemaker 1.1.12,
and no errors occur though corosync stops & it reports service
failed. Nothing in logs. I do see that this
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3018[19:26:50] <mishehu> always launches though:
`/bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent --watch`. can anybody advise?
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3138[20:40:51] <twobitsprite> !pign
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3139[20:40:53] <twobitsprite> !ping
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3148[20:44:47] <zram> is there a way to turn off COW in debian
based distros?
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3152[20:47:22] <jhutchins> zram: COW?
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3154[20:47:54] <zram> jhutchins yea - the fs thing that uses up
1/2 the ram in live mode
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3156[20:48:06] <zram> jhutchins I think it is the dirty cow thing
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3157[20:48:07] <jhutchins> mishehu: I would hazard a guess that
you have some sort of password "wallet" on the Centos box
that isn't present on Debian.
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3158[20:50:41] <greycat> That would be a kernel question, right?
Set some sysctl thing?
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3159[20:50:42] <jhutchins> zram: Dirty Cow shouldn't be a
problem with a current kernel on ANY distribution.
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3160[20:51:24] <zram> jhutchins - Do all latest live cd's
have this kernel? if not, how can I install it on the live cd?
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3162[20:52:28] <greycat> sounds like you want to talk to
OFTC's #debian-live
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3165[20:53:14] <jhutchins> I believe there have been a couple of
point releases since that was fixed, 8.6 live should be fine.
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3166[20:53:19] <zram> greycat me?
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3168[20:53:31] <zram> okay thanks jhutchins!
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3169[20:53:39] <jhutchins> zram: Besides which, it requires a
local exploit, so unless you're hacking yourself...
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3170[20:54:07] <zram> jhutchins - no that i not why, its becuase
the OLD cow eats up 1/2 my ram in live mode
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3171[20:54:32] <jhutchins> zram: No, it doesn't. Read the
articles.
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3174[20:55:23] <greycat> I don't think he is asking about a
specific security bug with COW in the name.
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3175[20:55:30] <zram> I think it is the cow, another user in
another irc helped figure it out... the cow was the culprit...
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3176[20:55:32] <greycat> I think he's asking how to disable
a Linux feature.
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3179[20:55:58] <greycat> I think he may also be extremely
confused.
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3180[20:56:08] <jhutchins> zram: Don't buy any bridges or
development land from the guy who told you that.
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3181[20:56:11] <greycat> !free ram
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3182[20:56:12] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's
memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux
tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which
speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these
caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical
memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use,
it's 'free' + 'buffers' +
'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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3183[20:56:23] <zram> well in all the debian based live distro I
noticed I couldnt use all the ram space I SHOULD have had available.
another user helped me figure out that the ram was being used by the
cow fs thing
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3186[20:56:38] <greycat> I think you are talking about cache.
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3189[20:57:51] <jhutchins> zram: The live CDs do not use COW
filesystems, those are exotic and experimental.
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3190[20:58:03] <zram> greycat:
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3192[20:58:06] <jhutchins> zram: Whoever told you that is either
extremely wrong or playing you.
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3193[20:58:26] <zram> jhutchins... I dont think they were playing
with me - they spent a lot of time trying to help figure it out
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3197[20:59:22] <zram> dpkg I read the 'linux ate my ram
thing
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3198[20:59:22] <dpkg> zram: I wish you would RTFM.
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3199[20:59:29] <zram> what is RTFM?
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3200[21:00:00] <zram> and when we did the free -h thing, it said
I SHOULD have 6gb avilable for use
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3202[21:00:02] <greycat> zram: so, what is the problem you are
trying to solve? I see 8 GB of RAM in that pastebin. Does your
system have more than 8 GB?
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3204[21:00:10] <teraflops> read the fine manual
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3205[21:00:15] <jhutchins> zram: Start with the two links I
posted above, then google "cow fs".
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3209[21:01:44] <zram> greycat, no that is right, and in the
buffer/cache it says 6gb free or something, but then the other guy
told me to create a file taht is 4gb (becuase I complain taht even
though it SAYS that, if I try to download a file that is say 5gb, it
WONT let me, saying i run out of room) and so we created tht 4gb
file. adn then the live cd said: 0 bytes disk space etc, and it
stopped acreating that file t some 3.7
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3214[21:02:23] <greycat> You tried to download a 5 GB file into a
tmpfs, or what? Where were you trying to put it? How did you
download? With wget, curl, or a graphical web browser that uses
/tmp?
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3217[21:03:08] <jhutchins> zram: The ramdisk on a live CD
doesn't use the full RAM available. It's part of the
"used" portion you see there.
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3219[21:03:20] <greycat> Oh, another "live"
"feature". :-/
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3220[21:03:26] <greycat> Talk to #debian-live in OFTC.
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3223[21:03:54] <zram> I dont know hwo to get to OFTC ... btw
please know that i am a VERY average computer user - very new to
linux
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3224[21:04:01] <jhutchins> zram: As greycat suggests, they can
explain the specific details to you.
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3227[21:04:12] <jhutchins> !oftc
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3228[21:04:12] <dpkg> OFTC is the Open and Free Technology
Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC
network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network.
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3232[21:04:27] <tomcres> try typing /server irc.oftc.net
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3233[21:04:36] <jhutchins> Thanks tomcres
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3235[21:05:14] <zram> got in = thank you!
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3236[21:05:33] <jhutchins> zram: Good luck. Don't worry,
things are working the way they're supposed to.
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3243[21:10:00] <zram> there is no one there...
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3244[21:10:11] <zram> 70 people, but no one is active
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3245[21:10:22] <jhutchins> zram: Be patient.
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3247[21:10:26] <zram> okay
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3248[21:10:29] <greycat> The specialist channels may require more
patience.
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3249[21:10:46] <zram> okay
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3251[21:11:19] <jhutchins> The df -h command will show you how
much space you have on the virtual "disk".
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3255[21:12:15] <jhutchins> zram: Some things you could do would
be to mount the physical disk(s) and save the file there, or create
another RAM disk in the free space that had more room.
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3257[21:12:42] <jhutchins> zram: You could also mount an external
(usb) disk and save the download there.
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3260[21:13:00] <zram> jhutchins - can I expand the ramdisk that
is already created?
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3261[21:13:09] <jhutchins> zram: Not easily.
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3262[21:13:16] <zram> shrink it?
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3264[21:13:38] <jhutchins> zram: Only by reconfiguring the live
image, and I'm guessing that's a bit beyond your current
skillset.
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3265[21:14:05] <zram> Yes
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3266[21:14:18] <zram> jhutchins - what im really trying to do is
this:
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3273[21:19:15] <jhutchins> zram: Obviously you don't have
5+G of available RAM for a second RAM disk, so that's only a
theoretical option.
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3275[21:20:05] <jhutchins> zram: A physical internal or external
drive is going to be necessary.
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3276[21:21:21] <zram> jhutchins - i just want it to be able to
use all the ram that the OS doesnt need - so I can use it for what I
want. in arch I can use about 5gb or a bit more I think
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3278[21:22:28] <tomcres> !goal
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3279[21:22:28] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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3280[21:22:34] <jhutchins> zram: The live image creates a virtual
disk in RAM, but leaves other memory free for programs to use.
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3281[21:22:55] <jhutchins> zram: If you're downloading a
file, it has to stay withinh the size of that disk, which you can
see with df -h.
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3283[21:23:23] <jhutchins> zram: Nothing is keeping you from
using the RAM, it's just limited by the size of the virtual
disk.
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3286[21:24:00] <jhutchins> zram: Arch just allocates more of the
RAM to the virtual disk.
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3287[21:24:01] <zram> jhutchin - I know, but in debian, that
virtual disk is 1/2 my total ram. I dont want it to sue so much,
when it can run on less. When I have a 2gb system, it uses 1gb for
virtual disk in ram - so it can run jst fine with 1gb used. but if I
have 8gb, it uses almost 4gb for virtualdisk - and I dont want it to
use that, so that I can use it
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3288[21:24:26] <zram> doesnt arch use less? taht is why I have
more space?
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3289[21:25:08] <jhutchins> zram: Your arch image is configured to
use MORE of the RAM for the virtual disk, that way you have more
space availble on the disk, and less for program memory.
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3290[21:25:41] <jhutchins> zram: Again, free is not showing space
where you could save files. df -h will show you that.
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3291[21:25:42] <n4dir> Why do you want to download a file of size
5 Gigs from a live CD at all? And then: why not to the hard disk or
anther medium?
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3292[21:26:31] <jhutchins> n4dir: Probably because what he's
trying to do is not an authorized use of the hardware.
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3296[21:27:48] <jhutchins> n4dir: What kinds of files do you
suppose are downloadable and >3GB?
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3297[21:28:02] <n4dir> hmm .... seems i lack the imagination.
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3299[21:28:24] <n4dir> the only thing i came up with were
distro-isos, but i guess i got it now.
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3300[21:28:53] <n4dir> tnx
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3303[21:29:35] <n4dir> though i still think that your proposal to
use a USB stick or such is a quick and easy solution
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3304[21:29:42] <zram> Actually no, im tryin gto use lethe
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3305[21:29:51] <zram> but lethe makes the distro run like a live
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3306[21:30:10] <zram> so whatever fixes this ram thing in the
live, should fix it in the install
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3310[21:31:06] <Xz> hi there, I'm looking to spec VPS for
debian mysql + apache. Database will contain only couple of tables
and apache will serve all that as JSON file. Will 1 core + 256MB RAM
be enough?
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3312[21:31:20] <Xz> I have no idea about mysql requirements for
resources
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3314[21:31:41] <jhutchins> zram: There really isn't anything
to fix.
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3315[21:31:57] <zram> 'work'
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3322[21:33:25] <jhutchins> zram: Do you understand the difference
between disk storage and RAM?
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3324[21:33:43] <n4dir> is gto with letze something i should know
about?
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3326[21:34:48] <jhutchins> Xz: How much traffic do you expect?
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3327[21:35:04] <zram> jhutchins - in live versin, the ram is like
the disk space - is itnot? that is where I save files, download
programs - and dependin on how mcuh ram I have, that is how much I
can save, install program etc.
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3329[21:35:26] <zram> i know i CAN use a disk stroage, but lets
assume I want to use ram instead
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3330[21:35:38] <jhutchins> zram: You do not have enough.
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3331[21:35:57] <n4dir> the question is why you want to do that.
for the interest of science?
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3332[21:36:10] <Xz> jhutchins: not much at all, I will have
literally 1 phone fetching that JSON 2 times per second
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3334[21:37:12] <zram> n4dir - no that is not the question at
all... why a person wants to drink 8 galon of water in 1 sec is not
he question. the question is - can it be done...???
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3336[21:37:41] <n4dir> the question why bother others with such
questions.
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3337[21:37:46] <greycat> No. But this has nothing to do with your
actual question.
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3340[21:38:23] <jhutchins> Xz: I suspect you would find the RAM a
bit tight.
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3341[21:38:51] <jhutchins> Xz: I would start with 1G and watch
actual usage to see if you can trim it back to 512.
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3342[21:39:12] <Xz> jhutchins: 1 core enough for database +
apache?
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3343[21:39:14] <jhutchins> Xz: Modern Linux is not going to like
256 very well, even in console mode.
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3344[21:39:43] <jhutchins> Xz: Should be, but you can always add
more.
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3346[21:40:07] <Xz> jhutchins: ok, so highest spec would be 2
cores / 1 GB RAM
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3347[21:40:15] <Xz> jhutchins: with possibility of trimming down
later on
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3348[21:40:31] <n4dir> I ran apache and mysql-apps on a
raspberry, forgot the RAM size, sure less than 256. For my needs it
was ok, but more sure is better (i guess)
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3349[21:40:31] <Xz> jhutchins: that makes sense?
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3350[21:40:34] <zram> n4dir - well i do have a reason. an average
computer user doesn't really want to spend 4 hours trying to
figure how to open ram space for the save of trying to understand
how os'es work... :\
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3351[21:40:37] <jhutchins> Xz: I don't think I'd bother
with the 2 cores.
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3352[21:40:46] <Xz> jhutchins: ok, will go with 1 then
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3356[21:40:57] <Xz> jhutchins: I believe I want low latency at
most
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3357[21:41:13] <Xz> jhutchins: so anytime phone fetches that JSON
file I want it to be delivered quick
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3359[21:41:20] <jhutchins> Xz: That'll be RAM, how much you
can run thee DB out of RAM instead of disk.
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3360[21:41:44] <zram> Okay - well thank you all for you attemopt
to help :) (And there is still no on in the live irc... )
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3361[21:41:56] <Xz> n4dir: did you have any significant latency
on RPI?
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3363[21:42:19] <n4dir> Ask at the mailing list. That will be fun
(they sure are not as friendly as the folks here ... ). zram
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3364[21:42:25] <jhutchins> zram: I think there's a mailing
list or forum available, for low-population topics that's a
better source.
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3365[21:42:31] <Xz> jhutchins, n4dir I could set it up on RPI on
my router too, but VPS will have so much better internet connection
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3366[21:42:46] <jhutchins> zram: There is also
replaced-url
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3367[21:42:55] <n4dir> It's been ages i fooled with liveCD,
but i don't think the debian LIve CD is very advanced (it came
late to the debian project, etc)
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3369[21:42:57] <Xz> jhutchins, n4dir that's why I'm
looking into VPS option, at the same time don't want to pay too
much per month
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3371[21:43:35] <n4dir> Xz: shame on me, but i don't even
know what latency is :-) My only point was a sidenote: it is
possible with really low RAM. At least "possible"
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3373[21:43:43] <jhutchins> Xz: You could ask the provider what
they recommend, but I'd prototype it on a local VM first.
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3374[21:43:45] <zram> thankyou both for the references - but
which mailing list? nad which forum are you referring to?
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3375[21:43:52] <jhutchins> !live
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3376[21:43:53] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can
be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from
replaced-url
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3377[21:44:08] <n4dir> zram: debian-live has a mailing list. At
least had.
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3378[21:44:12] <jhutchins> zram: Try those two URLs.
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3379[21:44:24] <n4dir> but be warned. tough guys
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3381[21:44:44] <zram> ..I think Im getting used to that when
askign for help in linux :\
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3382[21:45:06] <n4dir> try antix or refracta. I think they are
much in live stuff
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3383[21:45:20] <n4dir> try ask there, not try the distros. both
based on debian
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3384[21:45:41] <zram> n4dir - actually antix DID work well, but
it was the only debian distro that didn;t install the program I
needed
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3389[21:46:26] <n4dir> why not stick to the arch live, if it does
what you need or want?
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3390[21:46:33] <Xz> n4dir: latency is the time between you
request data from SQL database and you actually get it
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3391[21:46:46] <zram> n4dir - again, it doesn't have that 1
program I really need
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3392[21:46:48] <Xz> n4dir: in other words it is
'responsivness' or how laggy is it
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3393[21:47:03] <n4dir> Xz: i think that was okay, but i use it in
the LAN only. I was astonished that it worked at all
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3394[21:47:17] <Xz> jhutchins: I'm working with remote
developer, so need to have live server
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3395[21:47:36] <Xz> n4dir: hah, alright
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3396[21:47:38] <jhutchins> Ah.
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3397[21:47:40] <Xz> n4dir: thanks for your insights!
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3399[21:48:35] <n4dir> well: my guess is that jhutchins is right
with 512 or 1024 at minimum. I really just gave a bit of info (and
sure wouldn't say 180 of RAM is perfectly fine ... :-) )
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3400[21:48:52] <abracadaniel> Hey! Im doing a debian install on a
desktop computer right now. It has 2 of the exact same disks,
Windows is installed on one of them. How do i find out which one
contains windows ? :)
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3401[21:49:03] <n4dir> can't you upgrade later? start with
512, if it doesn't suffice, upgrad to more? Xz
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3403[21:49:38] <abracadaniel> ah nevermind, i figured it out ..
:p
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3404[21:49:47] <Xz> n4dir: I think I can
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3405[21:49:54] <Xz> n4dir: never had VPS myself, but I don't
think it's a problem
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3406[21:50:05] <jhutchins> abracadaniel: What's on the other
disk?
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3407[21:50:10] <Xz> n4dir: just want to start off something that
makes sense
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3408[21:50:10] <n4dir> abracadaniel: during debian installation,
when it comes to partitioning, it should tell you the filesystem of
the partitions it finds. NTFS or such is the windows installation. I
wouldn't bet on it, i think like that
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3409[21:50:21] <Xz> n4dir: and want to be aware of potential
bottlenecks
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3412[21:50:54] <abracadaniel> n4dir, thank you! I had just
selected guided, where it just showed me a selection of 2 disks. But
if i choose manual i can see the actual partitions on the disks :)
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3413[21:50:55] <n4dir> to me 512 for a server don't sound
bad, but i really got no clue.
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3414[21:50:59] <jhutchins> abracadaniel: Windows usually installs
on the first device, which would be /dev/sda
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3415[21:51:09] <n4dir> ah, abracadaniel cool
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3417[21:51:36] <zram> jhutchins - someone just gave me a link!
but I dont know what it means - would you know?
replaced-url
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