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• 16[00:15:07] <ryouma> getting repeated errors for apt-get update yesterday and today. this occurs with both https: and tor+http:. "Err replaced-url
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• 18[00:15:21] <ryouma> (that is only one example)
• 19[00:15:27] <KNERD> ryouma:you have to change them
• 20[00:15:31] <ryouma> e.g. W: Failed to fetch tor+replaced-url
• 21[00:15:35] <KNERD> Debian 8 Jssie is EOL
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• 24[00:15:46] <ryouma> not until 2020 i thought
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• 26[00:15:58] <KNERD> well, they repos are getting pulled
• 27[00:16:12] <ryouma> O.o as of ...?
• 28[00:16:14] <KNERD> you probably have to use the debian one
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• 30[00:16:28] <KNERD> I dont know, I noticed it today also
• 31[00:16:41] <ryouma> "i386, amd64, armel and armhf from 17th June 2018 to June 30, 2020 --- [[replaced-url
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• 33[00:16:48] <KNERD> So I went ahead and did the distro upgrade
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• 35[00:16:57] <ryouma> hum
• 36[00:17:11] <ryouma> what do you mean by the debian one
• 37[00:17:15] <KNERD> Well just because they say that don't mean they will support the mirrors
• 38[00:17:28] <KNERD> I mean the debian repo
• 39[00:17:29] <ryouma> sounds pointless if the mirrors are not running
• 40[00:17:47] <ryouma> i thought the tor+htts: one was the debian repo?
• 41[00:17:50] <KNERD> they are running
• 42[00:17:59] <KNERD> just don't have Jessie on them anymore
• 43[00:18:21] <ryouma> but isn't lts pointless if there are no repos for that version?
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• 45[00:18:42] <KNERD> I just said the Debian one shoul dbe up
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• 47[00:19:13] <ryouma> i am unclear on what you mean, specificically, by the debian one. not sure what that noun phrase refers to in this case.
• 48[00:19:14] <KNERD> i just dont know the URL off my dead
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• 50[00:19:43] <k-man> i'm trying to get a backtrace of something that's crashing. in gdb I see a message like: 56../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/raise.c: No such file or directory.
• 51[00:19:56] <k-man> will that hinder getting a proper backgrace?
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• 54[00:21:10] <KNERD> ryouma: replaced-url
• 55[00:21:33] <KNERD> replaced-url
• 56[00:23:00] <KNERD> Just change the URL to the Debian one
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• 58[00:24:46] <ryouma> i believe i have debian in all of my lines in /etc/apt/sources.list. here 'tis: replaced-url
• 59[00:25:08] <ryouma> do you mean the subdir?
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• 65[00:28:17] <KNERD> Well, if gdb is crashing, then of course
• 66[00:28:37] <KNERD> ryouma: I did say URL
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• 69[00:29:08] <ryouma> is that a yes?
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• 71[00:29:23] <ryouma> that would not work for the onion addresses
• 72[00:29:24] <KNERD> i said URL, *NOT8 subdirectory
• 73[00:29:30] <ryouma> ok i am confused
• 74[00:29:40] <KNERD> okay
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• 76[00:30:24] <ryouma> you said url. therefore what?
• 77[00:30:41] <KNERD> what is hard aboit change the URL of replaced-url
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• 79[00:31:36] <KNERD> actually ftp.us.debian.org/debian/
• 80[00:31:37] <ryouma> we aren't communicating clearly, if you think that i understand you.
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• 82[00:31:47] <ryouma> that is what i have!
• 83[00:31:57] <KNERD> you posted something else
• 84[00:32:00] <ryouma> why do i feel like costello?
• 85[00:32:19] <ryouma> i posted a termbin. you click it to get the contents of my sources.list
• 86[00:32:22] <KNERD> ---> <ryouma> i believe i have debian in all of my lines in /etc/apt/sources.list. here 'tis: replaced-url
• 87[00:32:37] <ryouma> that is not the url that apt-get fetches...
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• 90[00:33:50] <KNERD> then maybe they pulled thm all down
• 91[00:33:57] <KNERD> I dont know
• 92[00:34:24] <ryouma> ok, so. my original query stands.
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• 95[00:37:20] <ryouma> perhaps i am the only person in the world running jessie, and lts is serving only me? :)
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• 98[00:37:52] <KNERD> ryouma: no
• 99[00:38:15] <KNERD> as I mentioned I was getting it from a machine I got here
• 100[00:38:34] <KNERD> I told you I went ahead and just upgraded to Strecth
• 101[00:38:57] <KNERD> i got a laptop with a different URL for the repo, and it is also getting 404s
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• 143[01:06:21] <borh> hi, I read somewhere that debian has some systemd scripts builtin for openvpn-client connections
• 144[01:06:48] <borh> Ive been googling it, but cant find very specific instruction on how to enable these, and install my client openvpn config
• 145[01:07:05] <borh> I basically want my openvpn connection to start, and to be kept alive
• 146[01:07:13] <borh> by systemd
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• 149[01:08:11] <KNERD> openvpn starts your connections
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• 152[01:08:51] <borh> right, I currently have to manually run openvpn
• 153[01:09:06] <borh> I would like it managed by systemd, on restart for example
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• 155[01:09:14] <borh> keep-alive
• 156[01:09:27] <km0201> borh, that really shouldn't be a problem, the bigger issue is setting up a kill switch so that if you disconnect from the VPN, it will drop back to your unprotected connection.
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• 158[01:09:56] <KNERD> as I said, OpenVPN does those connections
• 159[01:10:00] <km0201> replaced-url
• 160[01:10:18] <KNERD> you have to edit one of the config files for it to run then connections on startup
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• 162[01:11:00] <KNERD> systemd has nothing to do with that
• 163[01:11:10] <KNERD> except for jiust running openvpn itself
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• 166[01:12:04] <borh> KNERD, ok right, yeah openvpn keeps itself alive
• 167[01:12:14] <borh> KNERD, but systemd does the startup
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• 172[01:13:02] <borh> witch is what I want... ok I see some instructions suggesting on latest debian put my ovpn config file under /etc/openvpn/client/
• 173[01:13:12] <borh> and thats about it, systemd detects it
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• 175[01:13:30] <borh> systemd is magical lol
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• 178[01:14:19] <KNERD> well , as I aid, there is a config file you need to edit so it will try to run any and all config in that client dorectory
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• 180[01:14:38] <KNERD> i just do not recall which one it is
• 181[01:14:46] <Everspace> Oh tits, I just realized that jessie-backports were removed
• 182[01:14:58] <Everspace> That explains the 404ssss
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• 185[01:19:24] <indomitable> this again
• 186[01:19:24] <indomitable> lol
• 187[01:19:49] <ryouma> i think you can expect questions when you remove a repo
• 188[01:20:14] <ryouma> i was told it was -updates. now it is backports.
• 189[01:20:15] <ryouma> confusing
• 190[01:20:18] <borh> KNERD, wow cool, just to start it, I had to do some kind ot "systemd template" command
• 191[01:20:20] <borh> sudo systemctl start openvpn-client@vosbox.service
• 192[01:20:24] <borh> then it started
• 193[01:20:31] <shibboleth> wait, buster will drop x86/i386?
• 194[01:20:37] <borh> my config is vosbox.conf under /etc/openvpn/client/
• 195[01:20:57] <ryouma> shibboleth: i presume that is different from amd?
• 196[01:21:00] <borh> KNERD, so I must be pretty close to activating this service so that it boots?
• 197[01:21:01] <ryouma> 64*
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• 199[01:21:59] <KNERD> As I said, systemd has nothign to do with any client scripts
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• 201[01:22:28] <KNERD> you just type in "systemctl enable openvpn.service" and it will cause OpenVPN to run always on start up
• 202[01:22:50] <KNERD> it is up to OpenVPN to start ant connections
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• 205[01:23:38] <borh> KNERD, ok, but still I dont want to start openvpn as a whole
• 206[01:23:47] <borh> KNERD, I really just want it in client mode
• 207[01:24:02] <borh> ok I'm being slow, please forgive
• 208[01:24:43] <borh> I can do for exaple "systemctl enable openvpn-client"
• 209[01:24:45] <borh> right?
• 210[01:24:56] <borh> instead of "systemctl enbale openvpn"
• 211[01:26:24] <KNERD> there is no "client" mode
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• 213[01:26:47] <KNERD> openvpn runs both client and server
• 214[01:26:55] <KNERD> it depends on the config you set up
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• 216[01:27:22] <borh> KNERD, ok, so its just an unnecessary confusion that debian added this service "openvpn-client"
• 217[01:27:31] <borh> it is really equivalent to "openvpn"
• 218[01:27:43] <borh> I can on my debian do, sudo systemctl status openvpn-client@vosbox.service
• 219[01:27:57] <borh> which is crazy considering what you said
• 220[01:28:13] <borh> its just a config.... the config says if its client or server
• 221[01:28:16] <borh> lol
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• 223[01:29:26] <KNERD> you can set up both running at same time. You can have as many client confis are there are IP addresses
• 224[01:30:19] <KNERD> and as many server configs as you hace ports available
• 225[01:34:04] <Everspace> It's not the worst. Just all my docker deployments were failing and I was very confused.
• 226[01:34:20] <Everspace> It was a quick trip to the dockerfile and everything was right as rain.
• 227[01:34:32] <KNERD> maybe its time to upgrade
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• 240[01:44:56] <azta> hi
• 241[01:45:02] <azta> whohoo
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• 243[01:47:19] <borh> azta, and I dig heavy metal
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• 246[01:48:56] <azta> borh: I like to dig too!
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• 248[01:50:24] <borh> azta, replaced-url
• 249[01:50:28] <borh> good old days
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• 251[01:52:20] <azta> they were good, right? the gorillas after too...
• 252[01:52:50] <azta> sorry, shoulda been /m
• 253[01:52:54] <KNERD> Yeah good old days when people still used CensorshipTube
• 254[01:52:58] <borh> yeah 90s
• 255[01:53:19] <azta> ha
• 256[01:53:20] <borh> censored by people with taste
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• 258[01:54:47] <borh> this goes against GNU/Linux spirit so I'm probably banned now by stallman
• 259[01:54:48] <azta> KNERD, CensorshipTube?
• 260[01:55:06] <KNERD> yeah, used to be called YouTube
• 261[01:55:14] <azta> yep, me too, lets stop, sorry!
• 262[01:55:38] <borh> KNERD, oh, well, ok lol I thought you were talking about mtv
• 263[01:55:45] <KNERD> I watch all my videos on BitChute these days
• 264[01:55:46] <azta> youtube wasnt censored
• 265[01:55:46] <borh> before youtube there was mtv inthose days
• 266[01:55:57] <borh> bitchtube?
• 267[01:55:58] <azta> thats why the google grabbed it
• 268[01:56:52] <azta> bubbles... whoooo
• 269[01:57:19] <KNERD> replaced-url
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• 271[01:57:53] <azta> insta/kill!
• 272[01:58:20] <borh> nice -- I think stallman wget's this and reads the byte code of the video stream to avoid any censorship
• 273[01:58:59] * borh going to banned soon :(
• 274[01:59:19] <azta> nah
• 275[01:59:26] <azta> it's quiet
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• 278[02:00:20] <dropkick500> What distibution does Stallman use, anyways?
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• 281[02:01:12] <borh> debian I think , because debian claims to be a GNU/Linux
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• 284[02:01:41] <borh> he hates all distros that do not acnowledge GNU's big contribution to Linux
• 285[02:01:45] <ryouma> um, doesn't he use gnusense or whatever it is?
• 286[02:01:48] <azta> its shit that freenode nukes registrations after a period btw
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• 288[02:02:09] <borh> ryouma, oh yeah... there is GNU, with the GNU kernel
• 289[02:02:16] <borh> maybe that actually is working by now
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• 291[02:02:38] <ryouma> there's a distro that is debian with even less non-free
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• 293[02:03:01] <ryouma> maybe trisquel
• 294[02:03:04] <ryouma> he uses*
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• 296[02:04:05] <raidghost> Intel cpu and IOMMU passthrought, any good guides to how to propper set it up?
• 297[02:04:09] <borh> GNU kernel is called HURD I just forgot
• 298[02:04:45] <ryouma> un hurd <none> <none> (no description available)
• 299[02:05:05] <borh> replaced-url
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• 306[02:09:48] <borh> systemd people told me "dont use service"
• 307[02:10:03] <borh> is "service" some kind of shitty hack?
• 308[02:10:39] <azta> 100% OT ##namespace Cannot send to nick/channel
• 309[02:10:44] <azta> huh?
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• 322[02:13:43] <roylaprattep> Should I upgrade to Stretch or not... umm?
• 323[02:15:40] <ryouma> given today's repo nonsense, we are being shoved in that direction, or somebody just screwed up and it willb e fixe in a jiffy, dunno'
• 324[02:16:31] <ryouma> there seems to be no documentation of the repo nonsense anybody knows about
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• 327[02:18:23] <auk> ryouma, what's the repo nonsense?
• 328[02:18:24] <roylaprattep> I'm gonna stay on Jessie at least till the enf of life.
• 329[02:18:34] <roylaprattep> I don't want any mess.
• 330[02:19:00] <roylaprattep> Plus, mysql replaced by MariaDB, probably gonna be a pain in the ass.
• 331[02:19:06] <ryouma> auk: -updates and backports broken, gone, or whatever
• 332[02:19:37] <roylaprattep> my updates worked last night
• 333[02:19:45] <ryouma> did they work today?
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• 335[02:20:14] <roylaprattep> yup, just did, working.
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• 337[02:20:45] <roylaprattep> libssh2-1 upgrade
• 338[02:20:56] <ryouma> roylaprattep: not here
• 339[02:21:01] <roylaprattep> weird.
• 340[02:21:08] <ryouma> try apt-get update and look for errors
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• 343[02:22:27] <roylaprattep> replaced-url
• 344[02:22:43] <roylaprattep> try with these repo
• 345[02:23:38] <azta> schimapakamapoo! uaaa yaa! ha!
• 346[02:23:48] <azta> hi #debian
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• 348[02:24:41] <roylaprattep> ryouma: have you tried with the repo i pastebin'd you?
• 349[02:25:25] <ryouma> roylaprattep: you are ok because you do not use -updates (you should, when they are needed) or backports
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• 352[02:26:19] <ryouma> roylaprattep: probably you do not need to dist-upgrade. but run check-support-status
• 353[02:26:19] <auk> ryouma, oh yikes thats scary
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• 356[02:26:59] <ryouma> it's like, you expect some packages to lose support, butyou don't expect repos to lose support until 2020
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• 358[02:27:23] <dtux> for ssl.SSLError.reason, "The range of possible values depends on the OpenSSL version." is there a way to access those programatically?
• 359[02:27:36] <dtux> oops, wrong chan... sry
• 360[02:27:38] <auk> i tried to see if its working for me but i guess i've got stretch and buster so nvm
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• 362[02:28:39] <roylaprattep> ryouma: it is working... don't start false statement
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• 364[02:29:16] <auk> ah
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• 366[02:29:31] <ryouma> roylaprattep: it is working for you. no false statement i am aware of.
• 367[02:29:44] <KdeKris> Question, since this is my first time doing a true multiboot with Debian, Manjaro, and Win10. I've got that known kernel panic issue when booting manjaro. If I work around and boot manjaro, can I just install grub through manjaro so that it's in charge of grub instead of debian? Or are there other steps to take to ensure it's done properly?
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• 369[02:29:45] <auk> off-topic but.. are there any plans for ostree on debian?
• 370[02:29:47] <themill> FWIW, jessie-updates and jessie-backports have been unsupported since 2018-05-17
• 371[02:29:57] <ryouma> roylaprattep: add -updates and backports and then tell me it's working -- it probably will not
• 372[02:30:17] <themill> they are not intended to work
• 373[02:30:17] <ryouma> themill: they have worked all along though
• 374[02:30:26] <themill> they were not supposed to
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• 376[02:30:55] <wyre> !chroot
• 377[02:30:55] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --rbind --make-rslave /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 378[02:30:57] <themill> that the cleanup that was announced at the jessie EOL and then reannounced last week actually happened isn't this newsworthy
• 379[02:31:03] <ryouma> so you are spposed to remove them fromsources.list? hmm :(. i think it is better to keep them aroudn for lts even if they are not going to change.
• 380[02:31:05] <wyre> can I repair my superblock with chroot?
• 381[02:31:11] <wyre> I mean with dpkg-reconfigure?
• 382[02:31:15] <wyre> or mkinitcpio?
• 383[02:31:36] <ryouma> themill: where was it announced?
• 384[02:31:37] <themill> ryouma: -backports? definitely not. -updates, perhaps leaving it as a no-op would have been better.
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• 387[02:32:00] <themill> ryouma: it was on d-d-a at least twice plus also debian-backports-* lists.
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• 391[02:32:34] <wyre> cause my superblock file system size is bigger than the partition where it must load
• 392[02:32:36] <roylaprattep> deb replaced-url
• 393[02:32:36] <roylaprattep> deb-src replaced-url
• 394[02:32:36] <roylaprattep> deb replaced-url
• 395[02:32:37] <roylaprattep> deb-src replaced-url
• 396[02:32:43] <ryouma> again, as with the chromium lack of support (which is ok to not support) i think there should be notification at package update or upgrade time
• 397[02:32:44] <wyre> and it is failing when I try to restore any superblock backup
• 398[02:33:08] <wyre> with e2fsck
• 399[02:33:16] <roylaprattep> deb replaced-url
• 400[02:33:26] <roylaprattep> deb-src replaced-url
• 401[02:33:27] <wyre> so ... could I generate a new superblock using chroot?
• 402[02:33:31] <roylaprattep> i have them
• 403[02:33:38] <themill> roylaprattep: please stop pasting crap into the channel
• 404[02:33:49] <roylaprattep> sorry, the first paste was unintentional
• 405[02:34:01] <ryouma> roylaprattep: no, you don't have the repos in question
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• 407[02:34:40] <roylaprattep> the backports no, they are not working anymore
• 408[02:34:45] <roylaprattep> but the lts support, yes.
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• 411[02:38:09] <KdeKris> second question, how can I remove a package from one distro from within another distro, on a multiboot system?
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• 415[02:42:19] <roylaprattep> ryouma: I can't find "check-support-status" with apt-cache
• 416[02:43:08] <ryouma> there's a package for it i think
• 417[02:43:24] <ryouma> which, again, i think is kinda non-optimal for users, to make them have to know to install it
• 418[02:43:35] <roylaprattep> is it "debian-security-support" instead?
• 419[02:43:39] <ryouma> yeah
• 420[02:43:41] <ryouma> probably
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• 422[02:45:17] <themill> if you're playing with lts, you really should be using that package already to find out what isn't supported
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• 425[02:46:47] * themill is quite disturbed by how many people seem reliant on stuff that has been EOL for about a year
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• 427[02:48:53] <roylaprattep> Jessie is not EOL...
• 428[02:49:31] <roylaprattep> It is LTS.
• 429[02:49:36] <themill> jessie-updates and jessie-backports and a substantial number of packages in jessie and jessie/updates are all EOL
• 430[02:50:13] <roylaprattep> I don't have so many daemon on my server. It is pretty safe...
• 431[02:50:24] <indomitable> did you perform exorcisms
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• 433[02:50:29] <roylaprattep> Haha.
• 434[02:50:32] <themill> a subset of what is in jessie and jessie/updates are LTS. Only a subset.
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• 436[02:51:52] <roylaprattep> Ok ok... I will make a clonezilla image soon and try the dist-upgrade.
• 437[02:51:58] <roylaprattep> Hehe.
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• 456[03:03:14] <KNERD> Bad Bot
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• 480[03:18:22] <ryouma> themill: itym jessie-updates? also a substantial number? i guess i only have a few of those installed.
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• 484[03:19:26] <themill> ryouma: I don't think I made a mistake in either sentence.
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• 486[03:20:56] <themill> jessie-updates was EOL about a year ago. jessie/updates *is* LTS and continues.
• 487[03:21:31] <BCMM> ryouma: the -updates repo going away is a distraction. basically, the stuff that used to be there has made it in to the main jessie repo, and since there will be no further point releases, nothing new is ever going to be added to it
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• 489[03:21:53] <themill> quite
• 490[03:21:55] <BCMM> ryouma: the point is that *not all of the software in the main jessie repo still has security support*
• 491[03:22:26] <BCMM> only a subset of jessie has LTS
• 492[03:23:14] <BCMM> most people should just move to the new stable - LTS should be seen as for special cases where, for some reason, you are unable to upgrade. it *does* take some actual work and some actual research.
• 493[03:23:33] <ryouma> yes all of that is clear. but it is annoying to have to find out that you have to change sources.list. if you're a sysadmin and read every email in all of those lists, it is different from ordinary users, who don't know why they are getting errors. you can denigrate those users, or you can maybe think they are different and could use notifications at package upgrade time akin to check-support-status.
• 494[03:23:36] <themill> there's a subset that is actively curated, there's a subset that has no security support and there's a subset that noone is actively tracking or doesn't have time to deal with and could be in pretty much any shape
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• 497[03:24:25] <themill> ryouma: what you're saying is that we should have made it 404 earlier to make sure sysadmins find out that they are not running supported software earlier.
• 498[03:24:37] <themill> If they don't read lists, a 404 is about all that is left.
• 499[03:24:50] <BCMM> ryouma: i think it's reasonable for LTS to require extra work, given that it's very much not the recommended release to be using at the moment
• 500[03:24:54] <themill> The -announce lists aren't exactly high traffic.
• 501[03:24:55] <ryouma> when chromium support died, there was no indication
• 502[03:25:03] <BCMM> i'm not sure who these "ordinary users" are - seems like LTS is almost entirely for sysadmins
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• 504[03:25:35] <ryouma> not entirely though
• 505[03:26:16] <themill> there was no indication: replaced-url
• 506[03:26:37] <ryouma> also that bit about noone is actively tracking is new. there are lots of new things that are not really documented.
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• 508[03:27:30] <ryouma> themill: i don't recall the details, but several things did not show up in check-support-status. and teh fact that you have to installa program to get that, and to know to use it, is going to be new to people.
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• 511[03:27:54] <ryouma> some people*
• 512[03:28:17] <themill> I don't think we can be held responsible for people not reading the most basic instructions on how to use jessie-lts.
• 513[03:28:36] <themill> We should have made it go 404 earlier so that people had to read some instructions.
• 514[03:28:51] <ryouma> or notify upon upgrade
• 515[03:28:56] <themill> what upgrade?
• 516[03:29:05] <ryouma> any upgrade
• 517[03:29:06] <themill> these are people who aren't installing the tools that do exist
• 518[03:29:11] <themill> d-s-s already does this
• 519[03:29:28] <themill> the sysadmin has to do their job at some point and install the tool
• 520[03:29:36] <BCMM> themill: what is d-s-s?
• 521[03:29:41] <themill> or read the -announce mailing list. it's a whole 10 emails per week
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• 524[03:30:28] <ryouma> i don't think further conversation will be productive
• 525[03:31:13] <themill> You're asking that things that are already in the debian-security-support and documentation that is already in LTS/Using be provided. I'm not sure there's much more anyone can do other than hit people with 404s.
• 526[03:31:26] <ryouma> except, where is teh noone is actively tracking documented?
• 527[03:31:37] <BCMM> ryouma: i'm curious - was there an actual decision to go on to LTS debian? or is this a matter of simply carrying on as normal after support for jessie ended?
• 528[03:32:04] <ryouma> it varies by user
• 529[03:32:26] <BCMM> i mean, in your case
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• 531[03:32:46] <BCMM> because the point at which that decision was made would have been the right time to consult the documentation on LTS
• 532[03:33:00] <BCMM> and adopt the sources.list recommended there, etc.
• 533[03:33:20] <ryouma> for some, a problem upgrading could be impossible to fix, or troublesome to fix, or seriously disrupt. in my case i read the lts at the time. so i was on top of it more than most.
• 534[03:33:22] <ryouma> many*
• 535[03:33:29] <ryouma> lts wiki*
• 536[03:34:23] <ryouma> while it did suggest the entries to use, it said nothing about deleting sources.list entries or that they would go away.
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• 540[03:36:16] <roylaprattep> LTS is there for a reason... So it can be used for an extended period of time.
• 541[03:36:24] <ryouma> indeed!
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• 543[03:36:47] <roylaprattep> No need to ABSOLUTELY dist-upgrade if you don't need to.
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• 545[03:37:08] <ryouma> i'm likely out of this convo now that i have found out that many packages are not being tracked, and need to rest
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• 548[03:37:33] <roylaprattep> It's not because it's not supoorted, that it's a security flaw.
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• 553[03:40:28] <roylaprattep> Not
• 554[03:40:52] <roylaprattep> Sorry, damn JuiceSSH send crap sometimes when I put it in background.
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• 567[04:03:08] <Bob_Dole> so, I'm wanting to move back to debian after years of using ubuntu.. but I need the proprietary opencl driver from amdgpu-pro because I do not have pcie 3, so no rocm. A quick google isn't giving me any recent results, so what versions of debian can I make that work on before I get to installing anything, and then.. how, with amdgpu-pro now making sure only ubuntu 16.04/18.04 will actually let it install (even though 18.04.2 seems
• 568[04:03:08] <Bob_Dole> to not actually work with it), do I make that work?
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• 576[04:14:25] <Bob_Dole> or I can use centos again, I hear it doesn't use the nightmare of yum anymore..
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• 695[06:26:06] <aloo_shu> !jessie-lts
• 696[06:26:06] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 8 "Jessie" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2018-05-17. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See replaced-url
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• 753[07:37:19] <milkt> i downloaded network-manager package and all its dependency .deb files. how can i install this network-manager package to other offline machine, without manually installing every .deb?
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• 761[07:44:29] <at0m> milkt: you could just (as root, ofcourse) "dpkg -i ./*.deb" in the directory that has only these .debs
• 762[07:46:06] <milkt> at0m: does it mark every dependency as manually installed?
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• 765[07:48:47] <handsome_feng> Hi, could someone sponsor my package ukui-biometric-auth? It fixed a RC bug, and I'm waiting it to migrate to Ubuntu. I have fill a sponsorship-requests(Bug#925584), Thanks a lot!
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• 769[07:50:07] <at0m> milkt: that might, indeed. or move the .deb's to /var/cache/apt/archives and only dpkg -i the main networkmanager.deb. then i think it would find the dependencies in archives
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• 825[08:21:46] <milkt> at0m: i copied all .deb to /var/cache/apt/archives and tried "dpkg -i .deb" "apt install .deb" "apt-get install .deb", but couldn't get it installed with dependencies
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• 827[08:22:19] <milkt> i think the problem is that apt don't even know what is network-manager and what is it's dependencies
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• 829[08:22:59] <milkt> this is fresh installation with netinst.iso, without internet
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• 835[08:24:45] <at0m> milkt: if you "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb", that still complains of missing .deb's? then put these there, too..
• 836[08:25:06] <at0m> maybe disregard the "manually installed" for now.
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• 839[08:26:49] <milkt> alright, if i specify all deb it installs without problem
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• 847[08:28:42] <at0m> then later you can "apt-mark auto $package" for the packages that were now marked as installed manually
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• 850[08:32:40] <handsome_feng> I have found one, Thanks!
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• 888[09:08:32] <anonymous83719> how can i allow a v4l device (/dev/video0) to be accessed by multiple applications simultaneously ?
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• 890[09:09:38] <anonymous83719> otherwise i have to make a vlc stream or something and that will increase CPU overhead and headaches
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• 911[09:19:27] <outoftime> anonymous83719: just idea: tee
• 912[09:20:25] <outoftime> anonymous83719: it should create file descriptors you can read
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• 917[09:24:28] <outoftime> anonymous83719: look at this replaced-url
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• 921[09:26:24] <outoftime> anonymous83719: and this replaced-url
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• 926[09:32:33] <anonymous83719> thanks
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• 930[09:37:54] <handsome_feng> Hi, could anyone know how long it will take to get the new version work after I upload the package to experimental? My package uploaded 1 hour ago, but dashboard still show the old version.
• 931[09:38:33] <handsome_feng> s/could/does/g
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• 933[09:40:04] <jelly> handsome_feng: perhaps someone in #debian-devel over on irc.debian.org (not here on freenode!) might know
• 934[09:40:27] <handsome_feng> jelly: Thank you!
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• 936[09:41:02] <Ulrar> Hey, it looks like the jessie-updates mirror have disappeared, is that normal ?
• 937[09:42:51] <jelly> Ulrar: also jessie-backports. I think it's normal.
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• 939[09:43:13] <Ulrar> Maybe, I never use the backports
• 940[09:43:18] <jelly> !jessie-updates
• 941[09:43:18] <dpkg> jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. replaced-url
• 942[09:44:09] <Ulrar> Okay so it can just be safely removed then
• 943[09:44:23] <Ulrar> Thanks
• 944[09:44:35] <outoftime> anonymous83719: replaced-url
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• 979[10:15:32] <iLogic> hey guys, i'm trying to make my samba share show up automatically on macos finder's sidebar with avahi, but it only works if I use certain name combinations.. is there a conflict somewhere?
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• 986[10:18:12] <Sepultura> hallo. Is it possible to passthrough a Serial Port to KVM?
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• 990[10:19:11] <xVim> Is there a way to list all packages installed manually via dpkg -i packagename.deb? Excluding the packages installed with aptitude/apt-get?
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• 992[10:20:08] <rant> Sepultura: would appear so, yes replaced-url
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• 996[10:21:51] <rant> xVim: aptitude could do this, and you could also do this using your logs I suppose
• 997[10:22:23] <rant> xVim: oh wait.. you want not packages marked manual, but those installed only with dpkg -i directly
• 998[10:22:29] <xVim> yes
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• 1000[10:22:52] <rant> this would have to be done with a process of exclusion as dpkg is used in every case, regardless if you use apt, apt-get, aptitude, gdebi, synaptic, etc
• 1001[10:23:31] <xVim> OK, so just logs remain?
• 1002[10:24:38] <rant> xVim: what I'd do is first let aptitude get me a list of manually installed packages, then get a list of packages installed by apt/aptitude or such from THEIR logs, and then I'd combine both lists and use a sort/uniq to show me only those that are not in both lists
• 1003[10:24:43] <rant> or even diff for that matter
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• 1006[10:26:22] <xVim> rant: Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I also just had the idea to use the list of installed packages and check whether the package names exist in the repos when I search for them
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• 1008[10:26:42] <xVim> I can take it from here :)
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• 1020[10:33:40] <rant> xVim: the problem here however is that apt and aptitude log, but synaptic and gdebi do not.. and ALL will log into dpkg's log.. so you can't really tell if it was dpkg, gdebi, synaptic, packagesearch or something else
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• 1023[10:35:18] <rant> because dpkg's log, unlike apt's logs don't show what the command line was, and leave no way to tell what invoked it
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• 1034[10:45:59] <OnkelTem> Hey folks. How to add support for say russian in console? Debian 9.8 stretch here
• 1035[10:46:10] <OnkelTem> locale-gen ru_RU did nothing
• 1036[10:46:47] <OnkelTem> I'm running this inside a docker container so I have pretty limited number of packages installed. Need to understand what I've missed
• 1037[10:47:13] <roylaprattep> dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 1039[10:47:45] <OnkelTem> Tried that too. Was presented with a HUGE list of things, selected 376 (ru_RU UTF-8) which has added ru-RU to 'localte -a' list
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• 1042[10:48:22] <OnkelTem> but it didn't the issue: yet I don't see russian characters in filenames
• 1043[10:48:30] <OnkelTem> didn't resolve*
• 1044[10:48:37] <Tom-_> do you have to be registered to talk here?
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• 1047[10:49:03] <OnkelTem> Tom-_: I see your message. If that what's you're asking about
• 1048[10:49:11] <roylaprattep> replaced-url
• 1049[10:49:19] <roylaprattep> go to manual config
• 1050[10:49:28] <Tom-_> there's some other guy who wants to talk here, and i forget
• 1051[10:50:03] <OnkelTem> Tom-_: just let him try-n-see
• 1052[10:50:34] <Tom-_> <debian__> sir when i was trying to message in group it saying something like this. ":Cannot send to nick/channel".how can i resolve this
• 1053[10:50:41] <Tom-_> i suggested /nickserv help register to him
• 1054[10:51:06] <OnkelTem> Maybe #help would be a better start for him
• 1055[10:52:05] <Tom-_> maybe. okay. well he's probably seen that
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• 1058[10:54:08] <rant> OnkelTem: changing locales can be a real PITA, usually a reboot works best to get the newly selected locale working properly
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• 1060[10:55:09] <OnkelTem> rant: I cannot reboot effectively with docker. So I log out and then in back
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• 1065[10:55:57] <OnkelTem> roylaprattep: I assume I did everything what the articles says but it doesn't work yet
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• 1071[10:57:53] <rant> OnkelTem: replaced-url
• 1072[10:57:59] <elitas> hello, what repository i should use instead jessie-updates ??
• 1073[10:58:19] <rant> elitas: none, remove it
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• 1075[10:58:36] <elitas> archive.debian.org ?
• 1076[10:58:38] <rant> elitas: replaced-url
• 1077[10:58:44] <rant> elitas: none, remove it
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• 1079[10:59:02] <OnkelTem> rant: oh thanks! Reading.
• 1080[10:59:04] <rant> elitas: jessie-updates doesn't exist, its past it's EOL
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• 1082[10:59:23] <rant> stable-updates is for stable releases, not LTS releases
• 1083[11:01:02] <rant> elitas: the issue is, volitile or stable-updates is used to push out things prior to a point release, point releases are only made for stable and oldstable, buster is frozen and will be releasing soon, there will be no more point releases for jessie, its now LTS only
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• 1086[11:01:26] <rant> elitas: when buster releases, stretch becomes oldstable and jessie becomes oldoldstable
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• 1100[11:12:56] <peanatsu> hi, I got a fresh debian install (testing) on a new 1TB harddrive that has "advanced formatting" (4k sector size). I used full disk encryption (with seperate home, swap and root LVM partitions)
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• 1102[11:13:36] <peanatsu> now when I run "fdisk -l" I get the warning that my second partition isnt properly aligned to sector size, see here: replaced-url
• 1103[11:14:53] <peanatsu> two questions: why is the first partition properly aligned when it starts on 2048? shouldnt it start on 4096 or some multiple thereof? (everything is on that HDD, including grub / MBR)
• 1104[11:14:56] <queip> what is the state of ZFS for Debian?
• 1105[11:15:53] <peanatsu> 2nd: can I easily fix this by shrinking /boot until the start of /dev/sdb2 aligns properly?
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• 1148[11:49:11] <muhaha> Can any of these arguments replaced-url
• 1149[11:49:12] <muhaha> If I want to shutdown/reboot -> systemd has to sigkill this service (2 min systemd timeout), if its not using this disk its working ok. Service gets sighup and its ok.
• 1150[11:49:38] <pragomer> I still find the right debian isos hard to find. I am looking for the testing-firmware-netinstall image. ??
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• 1154[11:50:38] <apollo13> putting literally testing-firmware-netinstall into google directly links me there
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• 1158[11:51:58] <pragomer> ok I put it into google a little bit different.. but like this I got it.
• 1159[11:52:01] <pragomer> thank you
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• 1176[12:07:15] <rnix> hi
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• 1191[12:21:02] <kaizoku> having some trouble with nmap arp ping scans, sendto() is returning invalid argument. Anyone else seen this?
• 1192[12:21:06] <kaizoku> WARNING: eth_send of ARP packet returned -1 rather than expected 42 (errno=22: Invalid argument)
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• 1194[12:21:14] <kaizoku> (on sid)
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• 1219[12:44:09] <pragomer> for better understanding from a debian-newbie (and former ubuntu user): when I change the word "buster" in sources.list to "testing" I have a rolling release, is that correct?
• 1220[12:45:00] <kaizoku> yes
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• 1222[12:49:55] <bolt_> it rolls about as well as a square wheel, but sure... "rolling"
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• 1224[12:52:32] <bolt_> shortly after every release, you'll be on "unstable", in whatever state that may be, and you'll gradually progress towards the next stable release, before being bombarded with everything from unstable again.
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• 1230[12:57:56] <kaizoku> testing isn't unstable, sid is unstable
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• 1232[12:58:50] <kaizoku> testing has a bit more vetting than the unstable release
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• 1236[13:02:41] <ujjain> who -r
• 1237[13:02:52] <ujjain> how do I see my runlevel? I'm trying to enable the docker service in debian 9
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• 1239[13:04:26] <bolt_> kaizoku: when testing becomes stable, what happens to unstable?
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• 1241[13:05:00] <ujjain> hey! I already have symlinks in /etc/rc3.d/docker and /etc/rc5.d/docker, but I still had to start docker manually
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• 1243[13:05:34] <ujjain> hmm, docker in docker problem. Error starting daemon: Error initializing network controller: error obtaining controller instance: failed to create NAT chain DOCKER: iptables failed: iptables -t nat -N DOCKER: iptables v1.6.0: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Permission denied (you must be root) - Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded
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• 1245[13:06:10] <kaizoku> what do you mean bolt_ ? it continues on, into the future
• 1246[13:06:21] <kaizoku> which docker are you using ujjain ?
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• 1248[13:07:25] <ujjain> 18.09.3
• 1249[13:07:33] <ujjain> I fixed it by mounting the socket, -v /var/run/docker.sock:/var/run/docker.sock
• 1250[13:07:40] <kaizoku> from the package docker.io ?
• 1251[13:07:42] <ujjain> now I'm running docker in docker, but outside of docker
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• 1253[13:07:49] <ujjain> Yes! the official one
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• 1256[13:09:43] <kaizoku> i haven't tried it.. i've just been using the one from docker repos
• 1257[13:10:14] <bolt_> kaizoku: i mean there's a freeze on testing about half a year or so before a release, then it becomes stable, and whoever is on testing is then bombarded by new packages from unstable, and stuff is likely to break, which is why people using testing need to both expect this, and be able to properly report bugs
• 1258[13:10:57] <bolt_> moving from ubuntu to debian and selecting "testing" for a "rolling release" and expecting things to just work is not a good idea imo
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• 1260[13:11:33] <pragomer> but testing after a release wont be much more "unstable" as any ubuntu distro, right?
• 1261[13:12:08] <kaizoku> I wasn't suggesting or dissuading anyone either way, just that you said that they'll 'be on "unstable"', which isn't really true
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• 1263[13:12:34] <kaizoku> testing might sometimes be unstable, but it's still different from the unstable release
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• 1265[13:13:55] <bolt_> sure, they'll be on testing with a bunch of packages eagerly merged from unstable, likely to break things
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• 1267[13:15:33] <bolt_> pragomer: i see no reason why testing couldn't end up in a state worse than a given ubuntu release
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• 1269[13:16:31] <Greyztar> evening,im on stretch stable,when buster comes out is there a way to move to LTS if i dont want to upgrade yet?Any information or links appreciated
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• 1271[13:17:02] <bolt_> Greyztar: just keep your sources.list pointed at stretch. nothing will happen.
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• 1274[13:17:16] <Greyztar> bolt_: cheers thank you very much!
• 1275[13:17:34] <bolt_> Greyztar: make sure you have stretch-updates in there, and pay attention to backports for any packages you may be interested in as well
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• 1278[13:19:12] <bolt_> after a while, stretch will be removed from the repos, at which time you really should update, but it'll still be able to grab things from archive
• 1279[13:19:36] <Greyztar> bolt_: i got updates,though im using backports at this moment,would that be a problem after buster comes out?
• 1280[13:20:25] <bolt_> not as long as you're using the official stretch backports repo. anything custom, from other sources, is your own problem :)
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• 1282[13:21:23] <Greyztar> bolt_: im only using official ones,thanks alot for information (,")
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• 1285[13:24:06] <pragomer> bolt_: thats what I meant.. I also do not think that testing would ever be more "unstable" than any ubuntu, right?
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• 1288[13:24:51] <pragomer> bolt_: thats why I now do the switch because I like the idea of a rolling (kind of) release without using suse or arch or so... so debian will be my way to go
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• 1326[13:46:58] <bolt_> again, i see no reason why a ubuntu (server) release couldn't be more stable than testing... testing is expected to break. the ubuntu releases are probably not.
• 1327[13:47:08] <bolt_> not that i'm an expect on ubuntu...
• 1328[13:47:50] <bolt_> if you want stable, use stable
• 1329[13:47:58] <bolt_> the name is there for a reason
• 1330[13:48:07] <jelly> their LTS has occasional regressions but not really much more than Debian 9. Don't run their 6-monthly releases on servers tho.
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• 1332[13:49:47] <jelly> Greyztar: if you're on "stretch" and only have repos for "stretch*" you won't get upgraded to anything newer accidentally. Just don't use repos for "stable".
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• 1335[13:50:16] <choice> Hello! For today 'apt update && apt upgrade', Debian tells me the following: Err replaced-url
• 1336[13:50:22] <choice> What's going on?
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• 1340[13:51:19] <bolt_> choice: topic
• 1341[13:51:44] <choice> bolt_: ?
• 1342[13:51:59] <SonidoCristalino> /wc
• 1343[13:52:01] <bolt_> choice: see the channel topic. it has your answer. faq's are often posted there :
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• 1345[13:52:19] <choice> bolt_: Sorry, I don't see an answer.
• 1346[13:52:29] <choice> If anybody knows what's going on, please speek up.
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• 1348[13:52:37] <choice> Let's see if twitter has something ...
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• 1350[13:52:41] <bolt_> wtf...
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• 1352[13:53:15] <bolt_> read the topic, choice. see what it says about jessie, and jessie-lts
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• 1354[13:54:22] <choice> I wonder if this refers to the issue: replaced-url
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• 1356[13:55:24] <themill> choice: jessie-backports has been unsupported for close to a year
• 1357[13:55:43] <choice> themill: How do I find out what I am using from 'jessie-backports'?
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• 1370[14:00:35] <usernameunknown> So I have a weird issue on my Dell Inspiron 5570 where grub won't boot unless the boot mode is set to "legacy mode" (instead of "UEFI mode"). I have a dualboot with windows 10 installed on my SSD and Debian on my HDD
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• 1381[14:08:38] <choice> I'm afraid to simply remove 'jessie-backports' from my sources because then I might have packages on my machine that never will be updated but are still used.
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• 1383[14:08:46] <indomitable> usernameunknown, common issue, afaik no workaround :P
• 1384[14:08:51] <indomitable> you can't verify the operating system
• 1385[14:08:56] <indomitable> so you can't boot it outside of legacy mode
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• 1391[14:11:02] <themill> choice: they are already never going to be updated
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• 1394[14:11:30] <choice> themill: Yes, but now at least I *know* something is wrong.
• 1395[14:11:55] <choice> themill: If I just remove jessie-backports and call it a day, I will never think about it again.
• 1396[14:12:06] <choice> So I need to figure out *why* I have it in my sources.
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• 1398[14:12:36] <themill> ~bpo list
• 1399[14:12:38] <themill> !bpo list
• 1400[14:12:39] <dpkg> To list all packages you have installed from <debian backports>: «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' --disable-columns -F%p»; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: «aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)'». See also <which repo>.
• 1401[14:12:57] <themill> (might not work now that jessie-backports is removed)
• 1402[14:13:21] <choice> themill: That comes back empty.
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• 1405[14:14:40] <choice> I removed jessie-backports now and "aptitude search '~o'" also comes back empty.
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• 1408[14:15:09] <choice> So I never used anything from it?
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• 1414[14:16:52] <NYTimes> hello
• 1415[14:17:11] <NYTimes> I get => W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 1416[14:17:34] <choice> NYTimes: Yup. Debian deleted the whole jessie-updates dir.
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• 1418[14:17:56] <NYTimes> choice: its when I do => apt-get update -qq && apt-get install -y -qq rsync
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• 1420[14:18:05] <NYTimes> how to get rsync then ?
• 1421[14:18:14] <themill> choice: it seems that way
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• 1423[14:18:26] <choice> NYTimes: 'apt install rsync'?
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• 1425[14:18:36] <themill> NYTimes: fix your sources.list to not include things that don't exist
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• 1427[14:19:00] <choice> themill: Ok. I will reboot the dev server, run some tests and then remove jessie-backports from the production server too.
• 1428[14:19:35] <choice> Does it make sense to switch to Debian 10 already?
• 1429[14:19:47] <NYTimes> themill: I can't its from a docker image => node:8.12.0
• 1430[14:20:07] <themill> tell them to fix their image?
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• 1432[14:20:24] <NYTimes> ah themill I just want to get rsync
• 1433[14:20:24] <choice> NYTimes: Which docker image is it?
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• 1440[14:21:42] <usernameunknown> So I have a weird issue on my Dell Inspiron 5570 where grub won't boot unless the boot mode is set to "legacy mode" (instead of "UEFI mode"). I have a dualboot with windows 10 installed on my SSD and Debian on my HDD
• 1441[14:22:15] <choice> usernameunknown: I guess there is a legacy MBR on the HD then.
• 1442[14:22:35] <usernameunknown> so how do I fix it?
• 1443[14:23:06] <choice> usernameunknown: I'm no pro. But re-partitioning the HD might work.
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• 1446[14:24:03] <choice> usernameunknown: Why do you want UEFI?
• 1447[14:24:28] <usernameunknown> because booting in legacy mode makes it autoboot to the netbios thing
• 1448[14:24:42] <choice> usernameunknown: Autoboot the netbios thing?
• 1449[14:24:53] <usernameunknown> yes, it autoboots
• 1450[14:25:06] <choice> usernameunknown: What does that mean? What is a netbios thing?
• 1451[14:25:17] <usernameunknown> and I have to manually go into the boot options and select "GRUB" under "UEFI"
• 1452[14:25:34] <choice> usernameunknown: I have no idea what you mean.
• 1453[14:25:35] <usernameunknown> and yes, uefi boots still show up in legacy mode
• 1454[14:25:50] <usernameunknown> what d you not understand
• 1455[14:25:53] <choice> I have machines with UEFI and machines with legacy BIOS and both run just fine.
• 1456[14:26:00] <choice> usernameunknown: What problem you have.
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• 1458[14:26:30] <usernameunknown> if I try to boot grub in uefi mode, it doesn't boot
• 1459[14:27:09] <choice> usernameunknown: Just for the record, there are 249000 pages about it on the internet: replaced-url
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• 1461[14:27:16] <BCMM> usernameunknown: are you using grub-efi or grub-pc?
• 1462[14:27:19] <choice> usernameunknown: Then why don't you boot in legacy mode?
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• 1464[14:27:39] <usernameunknown> BCMM: I'm pretty sure it's grub-efi, hang on a sec
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• 1466[14:28:11] <usernameunknown> BCMM: I have both installed, could that be the problem?
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• 1470[14:28:35] <BCMM> usernameunknown: hmm. under the circumstance, i don't know how to know which you're using...
• 1471[14:28:52] <usernameunknown> Is there any way to check?
• 1472[14:29:23] <BCMM> usernameunknown: not sure. how is your dual boot supposed to work, by the way? are you using the same ESP for W10 and Debian?
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• 1474[14:29:56] <usernameunknown> BCMM: nope
• 1475[14:30:05] <usernameunknown> they're on different drives too
• 1476[14:30:24] <usernameunknown> here's what grep grub on apt list returns by the way replaced-url
• 1477[14:30:35] <usernameunknown> if it helps
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• 1480[14:31:06] <BCMM> usernameunknown: hang on, what about that indicates that grub-pc is installed?
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• 1484[14:31:30] <usernameunknown> lines 30-33?
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• 1486[14:31:52] <usernameunknown> *30-32
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• 1488[14:32:48] <BCMM> usernameunknown: i think, without arguments, `apt list` shows *all* packages, not just installed packages
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• 1491[14:33:34] <usernameunknown> oh, you're right, mb
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• 1493[14:33:48] <BCMM> usernameunknown: i think you should just allow grub to install to the ESP that windows created - there should be plenty of free space on there
• 1494[14:34:03] <usernameunknown> how do I do that?
• 1495[14:34:05] <BCMM> the motherboard might just not support automatically booting from a second esp
• 1496[14:34:07] <BCMM> not sure, actually
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• 1498[14:34:13] <usernameunknown> hm
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• 1500[14:34:23] <usernameunknown> and yes, I don't have grub-pc actually installed
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• 1502[14:35:00] <usernameunknown> but that would require me to rewrite windows' ESP, no?
• 1503[14:35:33] <BCMM> usernameunknown: the ESP is just a fat32 filesystem. it can have grub's files and windows's files on it at the same time.
• 1504[14:35:47] <usernameunknown> right
• 1505[14:35:52] <BCMM> have a look at the command in replaced-url
• 1506[14:35:57] <usernameunknown> alright, let me do that now
• 1507[14:36:06] <BCMM> where you can specify the --efi-directory for grub
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• 1513[14:37:26] <BCMM> usernameunknown: you can also use efibootmgr to verify that the nvram entry for debian exists, and possibly to create it if it doesn't. but i don't really know much about that, i'm afraid.
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• 1516[14:37:58] <usernameunknown> yup, it exists
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• 1518[14:38:02] <NYTimes> hey choice I don't know I don't find it there replaced-url
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• 1566[15:05:56] <Ede|Popede> should someone need an argument why people should stay with official repos if they don't know EXACTLY what they're doing > replaced-url
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• 1572[15:07:29] <JyZyXEL> Ede|Popede: it was their private key?
• 1573[15:08:42] <Ede|Popede> JyZyXEL: one of the first comments lists the problems. and there also are some bonus links to websites and at least one book
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• 1575[15:08:53] <TheComputerNerd0> Anyone else here run BunsenLabs?
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• 1686[16:02:54] <saro> Hello, is 3.16.59 last kernel available in security repo for jessie?
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• 1691[16:05:05] <NetTerminalGene> ,kernels
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• 1693[16:05:08] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.19.16-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.144-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.144-3.1~deb8u1); wheezy-
• 1694[16:05:09] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
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• 1698[16:05:29] <jelly> so many kernelses
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• 1703[16:06:28] <jelly> ,v linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 --arch am64
• 1704[16:06:29] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch-security: 4.9.110-3+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9.144-3; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.144-3.1; stretch-updates: 4.9.144-3.1
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• 1708[16:08:30] <Ede|Popede> so updating ntfs-3g triggers update-initramfs? a rather blocking task
• 1709[16:09:36] <greycat> obviously gotta make sure you can read those Windows partitions during boot
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• 1719[16:12:58] <saro> NetTerminalGene: wait I'm now confused... so there is no maintained 3.16.x kernel package for jessie?
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• 1725[16:15:08] <uio> Hi, I'd like to make some infographics. Is there any opensource software to do so? I can't seem to find anything...
• 1726[16:17:07] <uio> ping
• 1727[16:17:15] <temple48> uio: depends on how intense you want to get. draw.io is actually pretty usable in a browser
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• 1729[16:18:41] <uio> temple48, True. It looks pretty good.
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• 1731[16:19:02] <Ede|Popede> any chance to tell update-initramfs to take care of ressources? took me half a minute to switch the desktop, let alone the irc disconnect.
• 1732[16:19:17] <temple48> uio: it has worked well for me when I've needed it, the only thing that I've noticed weird about it is that pdfs don't seem to embed fonts if you use a nonstandard font
• 1733[16:19:45] <uio> temple48, Okay, good to know. It looks lika DIA in the repos is quite similar...
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• 1778[16:34:28] <brenlae> so i have this error when i am booting (i'm on buster) no irq handler for vector
• 1779[16:34:32] <brenlae> is there any solution?
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• 1793[16:37:24] <Fox> !debian-next
• 1794[16:37:25] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1795[16:37:36] <Fox> brenlae: ^
• 1796[16:37:42] <brenlae> oh thanks
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• 1800[16:38:31] <brenlae> hmm
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• 1887[17:26:41] <strk> which files are involved in `service start xxx` ?
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• 1891[17:27:35] <yokowka> heavenO, everysoul!!!! i've set up debian 9 stretch xfce, in a first loading there was dock and tray with start button, but now in the second system load there is no tray, dock system button.... how to return them PARni?
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• 1898[17:33:22] <jmcnaught> strk: /usr/sbin/service is a script, you can read it if you want to find out. When used on a systemd system it's a wrapper around systemctl. The files involved will either be that service's unit files, or its init script if it has no unit file.
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• 1901[17:34:31] <strk> jmcnaught: what I'm really trying to find out is whether an environment variable defined in the shell issueing "service xxx restart" will be seen by the /etc/init/xxx.conf file (or whatever other file will be triggered)
• 1902[17:34:47] <strk> as I'm having a problem with http_proxy
• 1903[17:35:08] <jelly> strk: it reallu shouldn't be, and service has some protections against leaking env. vars from the shell
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• 1905[17:35:28] <jelly> strk: which debian release are you using?
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• 1907[17:36:39] <strk> jelly: "shouldn't be" is a good enough answer
• 1908[17:36:53] <strk> this means I cannot fix my problem of starting a service with a tweaked env variable
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• 1910[17:37:29] <jelly> ok then. What's the REAL problem, strk?
• 1911[17:37:34] <jelly> !goal
• 1912[17:37:35] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
• 1913[17:37:52] <strk> real problem is that localstack (a service) tries to download things from the net upon startup
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• 1915[17:38:04] <jelly> and that service comes from where?
• 1916[17:38:08] <strk> and I don't want to hard-code proxy in the /etc/environment file because it is a moving machine (a VM)
• 1917[17:38:30] <greycat> /etc/environment would not affect a systemd service anyway
• 1918[17:38:45] <jelly> it's a good thing you don't want to hardcode it there, because that might not work at all. Depending on the debian release and init system you're using.
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• 1920[17:39:07] <jelly> PAM-capable services might obey it.
• 1921[17:39:18] <greycat> Yeah, it's a PAM config file only.
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• 1923[17:39:34] <jelly> strk: so. which Debian release is this? Where did you get "localstack" from?
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• 1927[17:40:11] <strk> it's actually an ubuntu VM
• 1928[17:40:35] <strk> Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
• 1929[17:40:45] <greycat> you're in the wrong place
• 1930[17:41:15] <jelly> strk: try #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu channel
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• 1932[17:42:11] <jelly> trusty has what, about a month of life?
• 1933[17:42:21] <strk> we're installing the /etc/init/localstack.conf ourselves btw
• 1934[17:42:32] <strk> so I guess we could force it to read something external
• 1935[17:42:41] <strk> and yes, we should be upgrading :)
• 1936[17:42:54] <jelly> okay, but please ask in the right channel
• 1937[17:43:08] <jelly> Debian has mostly missed the upstart train.
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• 1939[17:43:45] <greycat> If you don't want to screw with proxy configs, you could use a transparent HTTP proxy on the router.
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• 1942[17:45:01] <strk> yes, Iv'e been thinking about that for a long time
• 1943[17:45:07] <strk> it should be vagrant itself doing this
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• 1955[17:49:01] <jelly> st'rk got SERVED in #ubuntu-server
• 1956[17:49:53] <jelly> querying the right channel apparently helps when getting domain-specific knowledge. Who knew!
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• 1993[18:14:23] <n-iCe> Hi, is Debian(xfce) actually snappier, faster, more lightweight than xubuntu?
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• 2000[18:16:45] <OS-44415> msg NickServ IDENTIFY nCP0OGcx3D2
• 2001[18:17:03] <n-iCe> OS-44415: change your password
• 2002[18:17:18] <n-iCe> you sent the identify command to the main channel
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• 2006[18:17:48] <OS-44415> hell, thanks
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• 2010[18:18:27] <jhutchins_wk> n-iCe: I would say they're probably about the same. Similar package selection.
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• 2012[18:19:05] <n-iCe> jhutchins_wk: I see thought Debian was slimer
• 2013[18:19:11] <n-iCe> better optimized
• 2014[18:19:57] <jhutchins_wk> n-iCe: I'd guess the "optimized" argument could go either way, but I don't think Ubuntu would fail to pick up any optimization that Debian had found.
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• 2016[18:20:04] <jelly> n-iCe: Debian's choice of DE packages isn't really that "optimized" at all
• 2017[18:20:22] <jelly> you usually get all the stuff upstream thinks you should get
• 2018[18:20:26] <jhutchins_wk> n-iCe: Keep in mind we're mostly here because we run Debian and not Ubuntu, so we don't really have a good comparison.
• 2019[18:20:50] <n-iCe> Yeah, the thing is, I have a 10 yeards old laptop.
• 2020[18:21:01] <n-iCe> I want to bing it up back to life.
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• 2023[18:21:27] <n-iCe> And use it as a media server in my tv room, already found apps for android to control the laptop.
• 2024[18:21:48] <n-iCe> Just need the OS, was thinking about puppy xubuntu debian xfce or lxde in those.
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• 2039[18:28:49] <n4dir> i'd probably go for puppy in that case (or something more light than debian).
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• 2044[18:33:54] <indomitable> puppylinux is pretty sweet
• 2045[18:34:24] <jelly> is there a kittenlinux
• 2046[18:34:31] <indomitable> god I hope not
• 2047[18:34:32] <jelly> or kittensd
• 2048[18:34:36] <indomitable> kitten is not a nice person
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• 2051[18:36:06] <saro> TFW you read `kittensd` as an systemd component
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• 2053[18:37:12] <greycat> If that were the case, it would be systemd-kittensd
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• 2055[18:37:35] <jelly> ssssh, don't tell them that, that would make systemd more acceptable and loveable
• 2056[18:38:44] <greycat> Especially the part that randomly puts deadbird files in directories.
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• 2058[18:39:08] <KNERD> It seems the Debian 8 repo issue has gotten worse since yesterday replaced-url
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• 2068[18:46:09] <jelly> KNERD: ftp.us.debian.org repo can sometimes have issues. Why are you installing Debian 8?
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• 2079[18:49:59] <KNERD> jelly: because the application does not yet support Debian 9
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• 2081[18:50:38] <jelly> which app is that?
• 2082[18:50:41] <KNERD> and actually one of the repos were deleted, the backport. But it was not liek this on the Debian one yesterdau
• 2083[18:50:45] <n4dir> "the application" having to remain a secret?
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• 2086[18:50:56] <KNERD> an app which installed s set up applications
• 2087[18:51:13] <KNERD> the ASTPP quick install script
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• 2089[18:51:43] <greycat> so it's some kind of toaster thing that is intended to be installed on top of Debian 8 and basically creates a new derivative OS?
• 2090[18:51:55] <KNERD> no
• 2091[18:52:08] <KNERD> just installs a bunch of stuff, and it's own application
• 2092[18:52:29] <jelly> ASTPP is a Open Source VoIP Billing Solution for Freeswitch.
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• 2094[18:53:06] <jelly> greycat: and the answer to your question, judging by their "wget foo.sh" installation method is basically yes
• 2095[18:53:11] <greycat> yeah, I got similar results from google... I'm still trying to parse what "VoIP Billing" means.
• 2096[18:53:19] <KNERD> Even FreeSwitch is late to the game for Debian 9. It just recently support ed Debian 9
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• 2098[18:53:33] <jelly> greycat: people sometimes make phone calls. They are usually not free.
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• 2100[18:54:12] <jelly> KNERD: centos 7 is the other supported platform. If you can't figure out the manual installation, try that.
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• 2102[18:54:58] <greycat> get --no-check-certificate replaced-url
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• 2104[18:55:01] <greycat> "lol"
• 2105[18:55:17] <n4dir> phone calls are free over here, as in: you will get a contract with your internet about phone too, and once you got that, it is for free.
• 2106[18:55:27] <jelly> yes yes, it's the basic epitome of how not to do install scripts
• 2107[18:55:36] <n4dir> as in: flatrate.
• 2108[18:55:36] <greycat> Even more amusing, replaced-url
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• 2110[18:56:00] <jelly> oh, a url shortener, did not even notice that.
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• 2115[18:56:58] <KNERD> jelly: late time I tired it on CentOS 7, it failed, then they proclaimed nothign wrogn with it, despite others complainging. The same thing with the Debian version. Though discussion with others some items on Debian 8 have to be installled for it to function correctly (install script)
• 2116[18:57:16] <jelly> KNERD: you can still install debian 8 base system from the cd image.
• 2117[18:57:32] <jelly> and fix sources.list after installation
• 2118[18:57:34] <greycat> You mean, the install script that they want you to download unsecurely through a URL shortener ... also has bugs?! Gasp.
• 2119[18:57:35] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 2120[18:57:36] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
• 2121[18:57:45] <jelly> now we can all have a hearty laugh
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• 2123[18:58:23] <jelly> but in the meantime the goal of a support channel is to provide some support, not laugh at the user about how horrible their environment is
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• 2127[18:59:17] <KNERD> yeah, their support channel will just delete your messages
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• 2129[18:59:31] <KNERD> thanks
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• 2131[18:59:59] <jelly> KNERD: that MAY be a sign you want to pick a different product, or pay for support, or both
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• 2133[19:01:10] <jelly> greycat: still. --no-check-certificate, and then http. Not https.
• 2134[19:01:38] <greycat> I'm assuming the URL shortener points to an replaced-url
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• 2139[19:04:02] <KNERD> jelly: Yes it is true, . There are limited options, and I am evaluating them all
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• 2202[19:32:13] <nobb11> hi
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• 2205[19:32:57] <nobb11> while not mentioned in the documentation /proc/<pid>/io seems to take childs into account
• 2206[19:33:06] <nobb11> what is the reason for that?
• 2207[19:33:13] <jhutchins_wk> That was something that discouraged me from trying to do VOIP. There was always one component that wasn't available, sometimes even if you paid.
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• 2237[19:47:50] <KNERD> VoIP is awesome
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• 2255[19:53:12] <no_gravity> As I understand it, Debian 10 is feature frozen - what would speak against using it already?
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• 2257[19:54:02] <soda__hobart> hi y'all, how come I can't find the libmysql-java package in the Buster repos?
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• 2261[19:54:20] <greycat> Outstanding known bugs, and a lack of testing to date may mean more bugs are waiting to be found.
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• 2263[19:54:37] <greycat> The closer we get to a release, the "safer" it'll be to use buster.
• 2264[19:54:47] <no_gravity> I see.
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• 2272[19:58:33] <cybrNaut> ,v rtv
• 2273[19:58:34] <judd> Package: rtv on amd64 -- stretch: 1.14.1+dfsg-1; sid: 1.24.0+dfsg-1; buster: 1.25.1+dfsg-1
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• 2275[19:59:09] <cybrNaut> ,check-backport rtv
• 2276[19:59:10] <judd> Backporting package rtv in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
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• 2286[20:02:34] <KNERD> no_gravity: what do you mean "feature frozen"?
• 2287[20:02:52] <greycat> !freeze
• 2288[20:02:52] <dpkg> The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Stretch started to freeze in Nov 2016 and entered full freeze on 5 Feb 2017. Also ask me about <slushy>, <stretch freeze>.
• 2289[20:03:24] <KNERD> hmm.. thanks greycat:
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• 2297[20:06:19] <KNERD> Does this mean Debian 10 is code named "Slushy"? :-p
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• 2299[20:06:33] <greycat> It's buster.
• 2300[20:06:45] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2303[20:08:01] <KNERD> Oh, thanks
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• 2307[20:08:42] <KNERD> Maybe an alphabetical naming would be better
• 2308[20:10:00] <greycat> !release history
• 2309[20:10:00] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. replaced-url
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• 2314[20:12:41] <soda__hobart> What happens when they run out of Toy Story characters?
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• 2316[20:12:53] <soda__hobart> I guess there's probably like 5 Toy Story movies by now, though
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• 2319[20:13:52] <cybrNaut> !tell cybrNaut about dbo
• 2320[20:13:58] <KNERD> but still coudl of gone in alphabetical order. It this was Fedora, woudl of run out of names years ago
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• 2322[20:14:31] <cybrNaut> !tell cybrNaut about ssb
• 2323[20:14:50] <aloo_shu> oh, etch was so good
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• 2328[20:16:53] <Averlon> hi, can somebody tell me how to omit jessie-updates repository from a preseeded pxe installation ? My pressed configuration doesn't have an entry for that, but during installation it's complaining about the missing repository.
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• 2331[20:17:37] <cybrNaut> what is <bdo>? Context: "enable debian-backports (see <bdo>)"
• 2332[20:17:53] <cybrNaut> how do i see <bdo>
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• 2334[20:18:20] <jhutchins_wk> Averlon: You need to update your preseed to Stretch, Jessie is deprecated and archived.
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• 2336[20:18:54] <Averlon> I do have a preseed for strecht, but in some cases i may need jessie as well
• 2337[20:19:25] <KNERD> Averlon: It seems one of the repos have been pulled ofline. Someone mentioned the backports
• 2338[20:19:39] <KNERD> you will have to coment out that one
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• 2341[20:21:24] <KNERD> I just upgraded my now 10 year old laptop I got from Worst Buy on clearance to Stretch
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• 2343[20:21:45] <alphis> why the mother of christ is netstat no longer installed by default
• 2344[20:22:06] <greycat> cybrNaut: /msg dpkg bdo
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• 2347[20:22:18] <greycat> alphis: replaced-url
• 2348[20:22:48] <cybrNaut> thanks!
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• 2350[20:23:52] <alphis> sigh
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• 2353[20:24:44] <Averlon> yehtopic says "Oldstable: Debian Jessie, jessie-updates and jessie-backports REMOVED". I also red replaced-url
• 2354[20:24:46] <Averlon> out. I would like to disable the repo within my preseed so the installation can run without any interaction necessary.
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• 2357[20:25:38] <KNERD> Not Found --> replaced-url
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• 2363[20:29:42] <KNERD> oh, you let a period in there
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• 2365[20:30:10] <rant> Averlon: so change your preseed to not include that repository.. or perhaps more sanely, stop installing Jessie weeks before it becomes oldoldstable
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• 2381[20:34:56] <Averlon> rant: yes thats the plan, but jessie-updates is not explicte included in my preseed configuration. So how can I get rid of it? ;-)
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• 2384[20:35:52] <GyroW> What is all needed to run docker-compose on debian? I installed docker, added a repo for docker-ce and installed docker-compose it self but compose can
• 2385[20:35:57] <GyroW> 't connect to docker
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• 2388[20:36:18] <Ede|Popede> # apt-cache show youtube-dl ; # <-- i really don't think the whole list is needed in the output
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• 2402[20:40:43] <KNERD> GyroW: you have to download it form the docker site
• 2403[20:40:55] <GyroW> okay
• 2404[20:41:07] <KNERD> GyroW: replaced-url
• 2405[20:41:11] <GyroW> I see that I needed to use sudo since groups don't update untill you log out
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• 2409[20:42:09] <jhutchins_wk> !docker
• 2410[20:42:09] <dpkg> rumour has it, docker is #docker on chat.freenode.net
• 2411[20:42:42] <greycat> An utterly useless factoid, but I don't know enough about Docker to fix it.
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• 2416[20:44:22] <GyroW> I thought I'd ask specific on #debian since I'm installing software on debian :)
• 2417[20:44:30] <GyroW> but thanks anyways
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• 2421[20:47:06] <greycat> ,v docker.io
• 2422[20:47:07] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 18.09.1+dfsg1-4; buster: 18.09.1+dfsg1-5+b10
• 2423[20:47:29] <greycat> One of the few thing I know about Docker is that apparently it's named "docker.io" in Debian for some reason, and it's in buster. But not in stretch.
• 2424[20:47:33] <greycat> OK, that's two things.
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• 2447[21:00:44] <KOLANICH> Hello. What is the best way to setup a debian repo?
• 2448[21:01:00] <KNERD> Coreect way?
• 2449[21:01:17] <KOLANICH> KNERD: are there incorrect?
• 2450[21:01:33] <KNERD> you kinda got an open ended quetion there
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• 2453[21:03:04] <jhutchins_wk> !mirrorsync
• 2454[21:03:49] <jhutchins_wk> !reprepo
• 2455[21:04:39] <jhutchins_wk> KOLANICH: replaced-url
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• 2457[21:05:42] <jhutchins_wk> KOLANICH: Are you trying to set up a mirror repo or just a local repo for your own packages?
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• 2460[21:07:12] <KOLANICH> jhutchins_wk: I want to setup a repo using GitLab artifacts. I mean GL job creates debs, the needed dir structure and packages and Packages.gz .
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• 2462[21:07:39] <KOLANICH> jhutchins_wk: so not mirror.
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• 2464[21:08:54] <jhutchins_wk> KOLANICH: I think that doc includes how to do that, this is a bit more targeted: replaced-url
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• 2470[21:12:52] <KOLANICH> jhutchins_wk: thank you.
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• 2475[21:18:22] <jhutchins_wk> Good luck!
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• 2478[21:18:39] <outoftime> How to disable screen lock in stretch xfce and gnome?
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• 2487[21:21:43] <KOLANICH> jhutchins_wk: you are welcome ;)
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• 2491[21:25:21] <jhutchins_wk> outoftime: There's setting in the power save configuration.
• 2492[21:25:32] <jhutchins_wk> outoftime: A checkbox and a dropdown.
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• 2496[21:26:43] <jhutchins_wk> outoftime: Power Manager, Security tab.
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• 2501[21:30:09] <Averlon> ok, I figured it out. To omit the jessie-updates repo add the line "d-i apt-setup/services-select multiselect security" to preseed file. If it is not stated the default seems to be "d-i apt-setup/services-select multiselect security, updates"
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• 2535[21:50:18] <jhutchins_wk> Averlon: Good work!
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• 2537[21:50:38] <jhutchins_wk> Averlon: Do you have it working with the repos on archive now?
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• 2553[21:57:58] <Averlon> jhutchins_wk: Check replaced-url
• 2554[21:58:00] <Averlon> hosted on the normal mirrors". I just took out http:/some-mirror/debian jessie-updates main
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• 2565[22:01:35] <roylaprattep> Averlon: jessie-updates repo still working?
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• 2583[22:11:50] <Averlon> roylaprattep: no it doesn't. Thats why I had to remove it from my automated installation. Otherwise the installer pop ups an error which has to be acknowledged manually.
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• 2588[22:14:38] <hroi> hi, should I be able to see the traffic I play to a virtual interface?
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• 2590[22:14:49] <hroi> if I have configured the ip and subnet correctly?
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• 2595[22:17:32] <rawf> I've got the debian installer running through a serial console. at the top I see different tabs for installer/shell/log. Does anyone know how I can switch between them?
• 2596[22:18:31] <aloo_shu> jessie-backports etc., could it be wiser *emptying* a repo vs. removing?
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• 2610[22:25:54] <aloo_shu> ? may bring up a help if you're lucky
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• 2669[23:13:44] <jcb2016> is it me or does nobody talk in #debian-next on oftc?
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• 2671[23:15:49] <Unit193> Someone usually only talks if there's a question.
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• 2678[23:18:12] <jcb2016> im taking a diff approach to irc. if i want something i weill rely on the fourms and mailing list. if they answer on irc thats a bonus
• 2679[23:18:17] <jcb2016> trying something new
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• 2684[23:19:26] <somiaj> #debian-next on oftc is somewhat active, but usually only when someone has an actual debian emergency (and sometimes replies are slower than say #debian here)
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• 2688[23:20:56] <jcb2016> makes sense. you would think it would be very active since its about to becoming the next stable. my thought is that they are running testing why would they need to respond they probably are board and don't want to answer
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• 2690[23:22:03] <jcb2016> anyone running testing/unstable/oldstable probably know what they are doing and get annoyed with n00b questions
• 2691[23:22:21] <somiaj> The people who are testing for the release are most likely using bug reports to address/track any issues with the upcomming release. IRC is more for end user support, so often times is someone trying to figure out how to fix something in buster/sid
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• 2693[23:22:36] <somiaj> though as buster approaches its release, there are less bugs and thus less people asking for how to fix something.
• 2694[23:22:48] <jcb2016> true
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• 2697[23:23:54] <Unit193> Amusingly, with my 'testing' box the current kernel in Debian testing/unstable causes it to hang pretty horribly (hard reboot being the only fix), kernel from experimental fixes it
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• 2702[23:27:24] <jcb2016> im not that advanced yet. i just use the kernel that i have that came with the install. i will probably learn how to do that when i get a real computer
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• 2706[23:29:25] <Unit193> Well I can't use what's slated to be the next stable kernel, so it's more out of necessity than choice.
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• 2711[23:32:12] <jcb2016> Unit193, how do you use another kernel anyway? is there something i can read up on or is it something easy to explain?
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• 2713[23:33:45] <Unit193> jcb2016: This is sort of drifting pretty heavily into #debian-next land, since this channel has a focus on Stable.
• 2714[23:33:54] <jcb2016> oh ok
• 2715[23:33:57] <jcb2016> got it
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• 2717[23:34:20] <jcb2016> you on debian-next on oftc Unit193 ?
• 2718[23:34:35] <Unit193> Same nick, yes.
• 2719[23:34:38] <jcb2016> ok
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• 2748[23:56:56] <DanielTheFox> hello, has anyone here tried to make a "diskless Debian" (fully working Debian over PXE netboot) server or something? I'd like to configure a server to let other computers in the same LAN boot from network and let them use Debian, even if they lack a working HDD or otherwise they can't use any form of directly-attached permanent storage
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