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• 179[04:31:27] <cheapie> I have no clue how to work the bug tracker thing, but #904830 seems to be reporting the same issue as #898473. I can also report that this issue affects me too. Hopefully someone finds that helpful.
• 180[04:31:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 327[09:51:16] <symtex> I'm still on Jessie. I'm a conservative and I k
• 328[09:52:23] <symtex> I like stable OS even if it means staying a bit behind on the newest releases.
• 329[09:53:01] <symtex> that beind said. do you guys recommend an upgrade to 9?
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• 331[09:53:54] <symtex> 9 has been stable since last year think it's time
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• 343[10:11:08] <Scrutinizer> I see no reason not to update to 9.
• 344[10:11:34] <epicmetal> retro bragging rights?
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• 346[10:13:03] <Scrutinizer> epicmetal: You'd have to go further back for that. :)
• 347[10:13:11] <epicmetal> Scrutinizer: muh woody
• 348[10:13:56] <babilen> potato potato!
• 349[10:13:58] <epicmetal> I went from Arch -> Sid, so I guess that counts too
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• 351[10:14:07] <epicmetal> ;)
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• 356[10:16:28] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone
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• 361[10:17:18] <rocketmagnet> i've a strange problem, i've done: apt-get remove sendmail to remove sendmail but sendmail is still installed, if i open aptitiude i find sendmail beeing installed but apt-get means it is not installed :X
• 362[10:17:31] <rocketmagnet> i'm only using apt-get, i'm not using aptitude
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• 370[10:27:00] <rsx> rocketmagnet: sendmail might be installed from another package. Check with dpkg -S sendmail
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• 372[10:30:05] <nkuttler> rocketmagnet: how do you figure sendmail is installed?
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• 401[11:08:34] <sharp15> ok. i have a debian toshiba laptop with bizzare response times. like type in /dev/s<tab> and get a cup of coffee before it finishes tab completion. any ideas?
• 402[11:10:22] <sharp15> it says it has 4GB ram. and only about 300mb is used with 6GB of unused swap space beyond. (reported by "free -m")
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• 406[11:13:36] <dutchfish> sharp15, tabcompletion's scan is kicked off instantly, it depends solely on your hd speed and how large your current dir is. I dont believe it uses cashes actually.
• 407[11:14:32] <sharp15> it also isn't reacting to ssh connection attempts and constantly stuttering when i click on the graphical ui. like minutes to load the lxde menu with an intel i3.
• 408[11:16:20] <sharp15> dutchfish: still shouldn't cause that delay for a directory with 172 entries
• 409[11:16:35] <at0m> sharp15: time to fire 'top' and monitor CPU usage, for starters. and keep an eye on /var/log/syslog and kern.log
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• 411[11:16:51] <dutchfish> sharp15, i am curious what output you get from: sudo systemd-analyze blame | grep udisks2.service
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• 415[11:18:02] <dutchfish> sharp15, also what FS are you using?
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• 419[11:20:03] <dutchfish> sharp15, to delve deeper into it (if you system has the neccesary tools installed): strace -tt -T -o bash.trace bash
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• 422[11:20:31] <dutchfish> sharp15, so far my thoughts
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• 425[11:24:33] <sharp15> at0m: i've tried. there isn't anything running (that i can find).
• 426[11:24:59] <sharp15> dutchfish: i'll look. one moment.
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• 429[11:26:26] <sharp15> its been doing this since debian-8.0 was installed but its been getting steadily worse.
• 430[11:27:39] <dutchfish> sharp15, a dying harddisk is often also giving these tell tail signs, if your logs are saying otherwise.
• 431[11:28:08] <dutchfish> aren't*
• 432[11:28:38] <sharp15> the systemd-analyze command you asked about gives 1.039s
• 433[11:28:47] <sharp15> and the fs is ext4
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• 435[11:29:54] <dutchfish> sharp15, so its not udisks2.service
• 436[11:30:18] <dutchfish> sharp15, it must be in userland
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• 439[11:31:04] <sharp15> dutchfish: also smart isn't reporting anything weird. not that its particularly reliable.
• 440[11:31:10] <dutchfish> sharp15, is there anyhtng related found in dmesg output?
• 441[11:31:26] <sharp15> dutchfish: not usually.
• 442[11:31:39] <dutchfish> sharp15, specially look at times at the end
• 443[11:33:11] <sharp15> dutchfish: only thing strange is a bunch of atkbd entries about unknown keypresses.
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• 445[11:34:07] <dutchfish> sharp15, can you upload that log part and some extra to pastebin?
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• 447[11:38:40] <sharp15> dutchfish: this and it just repeats over and over. abotu 10-15 times. replaced-url
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• 453[11:43:45] <dutchfish> sharp15, a quick search reveals that this is related to a suspend issue on laptops in general or suspend in a VM. So i would start investigating powermanagement; things like a bad battery, wrongly setup power management or the OS unable to manage it. That could couse long wait times. Even acpi could interfere.
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• 456[11:44:29] <dutchfish> sharp15, but before that check all your important logs first.
• 457[11:44:45] <sharp15> dutchfish: ok. is 'powermanagement' the actual package/subsystem or is it laptop-mode or something else?
• 458[11:44:53] <dutchfish> sharp15, is this a laptop?
• 459[11:44:58] <sharp15> dutchfish: yes.
• 460[11:45:24] <dutchfish> sharp15, do you have laptop tools installed, or role laptop?
• 461[11:45:51] <dutchfish> (as in the debian setup questions on install time)
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• 463[11:46:39] <sharp15> dutchfish: the install was done over a year ago. i don't remember.
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• 465[11:46:47] <dutchfish> sharp15, you arent using gnome, right?
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• 467[11:47:33] <sharp15> dutchfish: lxde.
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• 469[11:48:10] <dutchfish> sharp15, i am not knowledgeable with that one, but you need something like in xfce xfce4-power-manager
• 470[11:48:28] <dutchfish> sharp15, and set it up correctly
• 471[11:48:48] <dutchfish> sharp15, if you have a buggy bios, dont use susend; disable it.
• 472[11:48:54] <dutchfish> suspend*
• 473[11:49:11] <dutchfish> sharp15, and same for hybernation
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• 477[11:49:39] <sharp15> dutchfish: i don't use the s3(suspend) or s4(hibernate) as it is.
• 478[11:50:11] <dutchfish> sharp15, disabled in bios?
• 479[11:50:24] <sharp15> dutchfish: i guess. the system never tries.
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• 481[11:51:08] <dutchfish> sharp15, you could try enabling it and see if it works (dmesg), not so for hibernate
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• 483[11:51:45] <dutchfish> sharp15, yo could run int extra problems if you have a quircky bios, but then you know.
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• 485[11:52:12] <dutchfish> sharp15, maybe your system is supported, it is worth a shot.
• 486[11:52:43] <dutchfish> sharp15, having working power management, speeds up your system by alot.
• 487[11:52:59] <dutchfish> sharp15, specially on disk actions
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• 489[11:53:19] <dutchfish> so far my thoughts on it
• 490[11:53:37] <dutchfish> your disk is fast enough, that is not it
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• 492[11:54:26] <dutchfish> for more i need much more logs unfortunately
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• 494[11:57:05] <dutchfish> last thingy, some bioses have mechanisms to shutdown the disk completely. Consider that too for disabling it. (but the backdraw is it consumes more energy)
• 495[11:59:53] <dutchfish> and also delve into laptop-detect and laptop-mode-tools or task-laptop
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• 500[12:01:23] <dutchfish> sharp15, thats about it
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• 506[12:11:07] <sharp15> dutchfish: ok. thank you for your help. i think i might have fixed part of it in the last few minutes by turning some stuff off in laptop-mode-tools.
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• 508[12:11:52] <dutchfish> ok, does it improve things?
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• 511[12:14:00] <sharp15> local ui is much more responsive. i think it was having trouble waking the pci bus.
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• 513[12:15:05] <sharp15> still isn't responding to network ssh contacts. the laptop talking to itself on the network works fine but another times out using the same ip address/network. (no it isn't localhost).
• 514[12:15:09] <dutchfish> sharp15, ah ic, also check: grep . /proc/acpi/wakeup for more info on ACPI and what is/or not supported
• 515[12:15:33] <sharp15> dutchfish: will do.
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• 517[12:16:40] <dutchfish> sharp15, also some wifi has poor acpi support specially the ones over internal usb.
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• 519[12:17:31] <dutchfish> sharp15, or your wifi needs firmware to fully work under powermanagement, that sometimes is also the case.
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• 521[12:18:15] <dutchfish> sharp15, anyway, i hope i gave you something to work with.
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• 564[13:24:49] <AquaL1te> how to setup an ipv6 address properly on debian? i got this: replaced-url
• 565[13:24:55] <AquaL1te> networking configs on debian seem a bit like 'poor man solution' stuff to me, but i'm probably doing something wrong i guess?
• 566[13:26:05] <Dagger> your gateway is not even inside your /64...
• 567[13:27:06] <AquaL1te> Dagger: ah! i guess you're right! let's see...
• 568[13:28:19] <AquaL1te> boom! thanks! must've gone wrong somewhere in config management... i'll take it back, debian is okay hehe (for now... :P)
• 569[13:29:29] <Dagger> also I don't know if this is relevant to you, but RAs are ignored if you have forwarding turned on unless you set accept_ra=2
• 570[13:29:36] <Dagger> other than that RAs ought to work fine
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• 641[15:23:06] <NetTerminalGene> gnome-shell uses the same a amount of cpu resource when watching a video. is it expected?
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• 705[16:28:44] <zentris> I've released my buster theme submission with pretty much everything complete, is anyone able to test Isolinux/Syslinux bootscreen image?
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• 707[16:28:51] <zentris> replaced-url
• 708[16:29:35] <Delta706> zentris: Why not use a vm?
• 709[16:29:59] <zentris> i have grub in vm, pain in the butt to change bootloaders?
• 710[16:31:59] <Delta706> what bootloader needs to be running to show the image?
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• 712[16:33:00] <zentris> Isolinux and Syslinux need to be tested with a custom image to see if there are any issues
• 713[16:34:00] <goose> Is there a way, perhaps via iptables, that I can prevent a certain user from using ipv6? (More specifically, I have a split-tunnel VPN set up, but the user whose traffic is sent through the VPN is leaking v6 stuff not-through-the-VPN)
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• 715[16:34:21] <goose> Or would I have to disable ipv6 system-wide?
• 716[16:34:52] <Delta706> I can boot up an iso image if you want
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• 718[16:35:57] <Brigo> goose, define client, please
• 719[16:36:43] <goose> Brigo, VPN client? OpenVPN. Or do you mean what programs are leaking?
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• 722[16:39:34] <Brigo> goose, so someone conectin throught a vpn. Maybe you can do it a vpn level. Maybe the vpn server can identify the client and disable ipv6 support just fot that client.
• 723[16:40:00] <Dagger> maybe you could just put v6 down the VPN too
• 724[16:40:08] <Dagger> (and if it doesn't support that, replace it with one that does)
• 725[16:40:16] <Brigo> zentris, did you do all that work? amazing, ahd very nice.
• 726[16:40:21] <mawk> you have ipv6 leakage so your solution is to disable ipv6 goose ?
• 727[16:40:29] <goose> That would be ideal, if I could manage to successfully do that. Haven't been able to so far.
• 728[16:40:43] <goose> mawk, my solution is to come ask for help here, rather than disabling it altogether
• 729[16:40:58] <zentris> yes I did, thank you. Besides the tshirt template which is from SpaceFun and plymouth theme is just a reskinned SoftWaves theme.
• 730[16:41:31] <mawk> it's a tun vpn ?
• 731[16:41:57] <goose> Brigo, perhaps my phrasing was confusing, sorry. I have a user, `vpn`, which is set up (via iptables) so that any traffic from its UID is tunneled through OpenVPN to my PrivateInternetAccess VPN. This works, for IPv4, but not for IPv6, which still originates from my actual address.
• 732[16:42:03] <Brigo> zentris, can you tell me about this logo replaced-url
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• 734[16:42:40] <mawk> ok goose so you're using iptables to mark packets you want to be tunnelled, then you use policy routing to specify openvpn as the route ?
• 735[16:42:50] <mawk> you need to do the exact same thing but with the ipv6 tools
• 736[16:43:02] <mawk> ip6tables, ip -6 rule
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• 738[16:43:36] <goose> ok, I'll try that. thanks.
• 739[16:43:49] <mawk> it shouldn't be harder than ipv4
• 740[16:43:52] <mawk> it's the exact same thing
• 741[16:44:28] <zentris> Brigo: I made a new logo for debian, it's up to the devs to use it or not. I would remake the theme then if needed.
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• 743[16:45:02] <zentris> But i made the proposal theme used the default old logo as the chance is low it would be used, at least for now.
• 744[16:45:29] <Brigo> zentris, i understand this, just wondering why you made the logo this way. Is that the e from debian?
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• 747[16:46:07] <Brigo> zentris, i would welcome a new logo. The old one is very nice, but i am getting tired of it.
• 748[16:46:10] <zentris> it's actually a D as part of a swirl
• 749[16:46:26] <mawk> it reminds me of the Beats logo
• 750[16:46:30] <zentris> you can see the 3 variations here: replaced-url
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• 752[16:47:10] <zentris> mawk: yeah I see what you mean, to me beats logo looks like chrome logo as well
• 753[16:48:17] <Brigo> zentris, they are all very nice, but the middle logo make me feel it is trying to tell me something i don't get.
• 754[16:48:31] <Brigo> and odd sensation.
• 755[16:48:54] <zentris> yeah maybe it's because it has the hidden source code of linux kernel embeded in the curves
• 756[16:48:59] <Brigo> that's why i asked in the first place.
• 757[16:49:08] <Brigo> XDDDDDD
• 758[16:49:15] <Brigo> i knew! XD
• 759[16:49:16] <zentris> ;)
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• 761[16:50:43] <zentris> old logo needs an update I think, I recreated it earlier nearly perfect because it's just a default illustrator brush
• 762[16:51:12] <zentris> replaced-url
• 763[16:51:23] <mawk> lol
• 764[16:53:27] <zentris> there is a lot of concept work in that thread, I made 2 wallpaper type themes before this one, the other 2 are also on the wiki proposal page
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• 770[16:54:52] <velix> Why was fusecompress kicked out of debian?
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• 776[16:59:07] <stmuk_> my "tap to click" touchpad (xinput) has stopped working in chrome but works with other apps (on testing). Anyone seen this?
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• 778[16:59:44] <stmuk_> I've a feeling a kernel upgrade may have changed device numbers and I'm missing a setting somewhere
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• 780[17:00:24] <stmuk_> or maybe its a chrome update
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• 789[17:07:49] <jasabella> hello :) what's the preferred package to install if i'm building external packages? is it still build-essential or will i need to gather things myself (not including libs here)
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• 791[17:09:45] <zero93> hello
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• 793[17:10:30] <zero93> I have a charset issue, debian default is utf8 right?
• 794[17:10:44] <jasabella> depends on your locale
• 795[17:12:13] <zero93> root@host:~# locale charmap
• 796[17:12:13] <zero93> UTF-8
• 797[17:12:18] <zero93> jasabella>
• 798[17:12:43] <zero93> what is the risk of switching locale?
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• 803[17:21:36] <zero93> ind?
• 804[17:21:41] <zero93> where are you?
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• 807[17:23:45] <annadane> jasabella, i think it's build-essential... if no one answers here you can try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net for debian packaging or ##packaging on irc.oftc.net for non-debian packages
• 808[17:24:11] <annadane> sorry, not ##packaging; #packaging
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• 814[17:28:29] <abrotman> what?
• 815[17:28:38] <zero93> risk of switching debian locale?
• 816[17:28:44] <abrotman> jasabella: build-essential, and you may need other things, depends on the software
• 817[17:28:53] <abrotman> zero93: make sure you include usable ones
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• 819[17:29:07] <annadane> most software/tarballs will come with READMEs and so on which may tell you
• 820[17:29:18] <zero93> abrotman> could you elaborate please?
• 821[17:29:22] <annadane> and then when you try to build it if it fails it will also tell you
• 822[17:29:33] <abrotman> They aren't likely to tell you how to build from source on Debian
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• 824[17:29:37] <abrotman> explicitly
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• 827[17:29:47] <abrotman> zero93: which locales do you think you want?
• 828[17:29:54] <jasabella> oh i'm buliding for myself, not debian project, sorry if that wasnt clear
• 829[17:30:18] <zero93> abrotman> one that is compatible with winrar charset
• 830[17:30:59] <abrotman> jasabella: right, use build-essential, start there ..
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• 832[17:31:57] <abrotman> zero93: it's not UTF-8 compatible? what's the error you're getting?
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• 834[17:33:08] <zero93> abrotman> I see no error but the script dies when I try to extract files that have exotic filenames
• 835[17:33:17] <zero93> no error logged though
• 836[17:33:25] <zero93> on apache
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• 841[17:35:32] <abrotman> zero93: and if you try to extract it manually?
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• 852[17:44:28] <ayjay_t> so i'm trying to build my first debian package, i'm following the tutorial from replaced-url
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• 854[17:44:55] <ayjay_t> i figured `debuild -us -uc` would try to make the package from source, which... it doesnt (it would fail if it did, it doesnt)
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• 857[17:47:39] <ayjay_t> i'm guessing the debian rules file needs to be more complicated
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• 873[18:03:01] <velix> apt install kebap
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• 883[18:10:47] <NetTerminalGene> apt install döner
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• 886[18:13:45] <quantum> Trying to log in to system B, which is on the LAN through wifi. But can't ping it anymore for an hour.
• 887[18:14:04] <quantum> I can ping it and ssh in from any other system on the LAN.
• 888[18:14:44] <quantum> I am running fail2ban on system B, but no note of blocking in its log.
• 889[18:15:47] <quantum> Set selinux to permissive. No change.
• 890[18:16:33] <quantum> # iptables -L |grep {system a} gives nothing.
• 891[18:17:05] <quantum> No firewall messages in system B/
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• 907[18:26:11] <AeCEgGfTv5> anyone use openvpn
• 908[18:27:15] <annadane> !anyone
• 909[18:27:15] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 910[18:29:53] <fpat> nice factoid
• 911[18:30:15] <AeCEgGfTv5> I havea simple BASH script "curl <ddns provider url> >> /usr/local/bin/ddns.log". It is set to run "up ddns_script" in the openvpn config file. The thing is, when openVPN establishes the tunnel....the script does not run!
• 912[18:30:33] <AeCEgGfTv5> if i put echo "hello" >> /usr/local/bin/ddns.log, that is logged....but the curl command does not run!
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• 916[18:31:15] <ayjay_t> huh so dh_autoreconf is failing w/ AC_MSG_ERROR as undefined, i might override autoreconf completely but i'd love to fix it
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• 918[18:32:46] <Brigo> AeCEgGfTv5, maybe there is no output from that command.
• 919[18:33:32] <Brigo> AeCEgGfTv5, i can't find ddns command in stretch
• 920[18:33:42] <AeCEgGfTv5> no, it's just a url
• 921[18:33:47] <AeCEgGfTv5> basically, it pings the url
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• 924[18:34:05] <AeCEgGfTv5> someone in antoher channel said curl maybe failing with an error, I'm going to try logging that
• 925[18:34:09] <petn-randall> AeCEgGfTv5: Try using the full path to curl.
• 926[18:34:12] <AeCEgGfTv5> is this the correct way to log the error: curl <ddns url> 1>>/usr/local/bin/ddns.log 2>>/usr/local/bin/error.log
• 927[18:34:18] <AeCEgGfTv5> good point, will try that too
• 928[18:34:31] <ayjay_t> logging in bin tho?
• 929[18:34:33] <petn-randall> AeCEgGfTv5: Also, don't log to /usr/local/bin, that's a path for binaries.
• 930[18:35:00] <ayjay_t> bold move from the guy whose username is a commit hash
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• 932[18:35:38] <AeCEgGfTv5> where should I log
• 933[18:36:11] <petn-randall> AeCEgGfTv5: Also note that the "up" part in /etc/network/interfaces will only be called when "ifup <device>" is called, not on any reconnects. So it will only be updated when it's called during boot.
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• 936[18:37:05] <AeCEgGfTv5> the tunnel is not defined in /etc/network/interfaces, this is something openvpn establishes
• 937[18:37:32] <petn-randall> Oh right
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• 941[18:45:30] <ayjay_t> anyone for me to /j #debian-dev
• 942[18:45:33] <ayjay_t> OOPs
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• 945[18:46:02] <ayjay_t> is there a better channel to ask about debian specific stuff, like building .debs
• 946[18:46:19] <annadane> #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net for inclusion into debian otherwise #packaging on irc.oftc.net
• 947[18:49:01] <ayjay_t> +1 thanks annadane
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• 953[18:53:24] <altker128> Hey guys. Has anyone else experienced any hard-locks using JDK1.8 on latest Debian Stretch (stable)? I'm running a Tomcat/Java app under a linux-container and I am running into this. Have never before had any issues with this hardware
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• 957[19:01:59] <c-c> not really
• 958[19:02:30] <c-c> altker128: perhaps you could join a java channel, and gist them some blogs from your tomcat&app
• 959[19:03:15] <c-c> anyway, ime thats usually a memory issue, and solved by adding more system memory, swap and manipulating the java vm/app starup memory settings
• 960[19:03:55] <c-c> so, its likely its probably an java, not debian issue
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• 963[19:07:42] <altker128> c-c: replaced-url
• 964[19:07:49] <altker128> c-c: I'm not using Unify but that's the kind of thing I'm seeing
• 965[19:08:22] <altker128> c-c: The machine has 8GB of RAM, the Java application gets 3GB and there's swap space, so I don't think it's a RAM issue in a traditional esnse
• 966[19:08:25] <altker128> *sense
• 967[19:08:26] <c-c> altker128: paste/gist logs or it didn't happen
• 968[19:08:38] <c-c> or, its just making guesses
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• 972[19:11:31] <pingfloyd> technically it's still making guess, just much better educated ones at that point
• 973[19:11:56] <c-c> why guess when you could see dmesg, other logs
• 974[19:12:20] <pingfloyd> I don't disagree with you c-c
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• 976[19:13:37] <c-c> I wish I could find "the elementals of troubleshooting a freezing debian machine" or something similar
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• 979[19:15:01] <ksk> c-c: there should be something on dmesg if its for example an out of memory situation
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• 981[19:15:36] <ksk> that is the elementals, kind of.
• 982[19:15:36] <p0lyph3m> c-c: what is ur cpu load/ram usage ; if they are "normal" check output of uptime for system load . if that is high ther might be issues
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• 984[19:17:06] <NetTerminalGene> can i install firefox from there? replaced-url
• 985[19:17:48] <p0lyph3m> c-c: i had a bad block on hard drive and updatedb cronjob indexing my drive triggerd repeated read fails that froze my system even though cpu/mem seemed "normal"
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• 987[19:18:21] <c-c> altker128: well theres some ideas for you above ^
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• 994[19:19:55] <p0lyph3m> altker128, c-c : opps , intended for altker128 ,
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• 1011[19:27:23] <NetTerminalGene> ok. i found tutorial which means it can be installable. but i wonder if anyone here use snap version of latest firefox
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• 1015[19:28:18] <annadane> NetTerminalGene, if you just want firefox you can just download it from mozilla's site and put it in your home directory... unless you specifically want a snap, then more power to you
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• 1068[19:34:28] <pingfloyd> or extract it to /opt if you want it for all users. But I've noticed, that the tarball you get from mozilla some of the subdirs and files ownership to a non-existent user and group on the system (dev probably forgot to clean up). So it would be good to fix those afterward, with chown.
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• 1103[19:38:22] <NetTerminalGene> i already use firefox from mozilla site
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• 1128[19:41:25] <bites> NetTerminalGene: yes, you can install the snap on debian. you can get snapd from the debian repositories.
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• 1134[19:43:29] <AeCEgGfTv5> how do I hide the grub bootmenu? I tried setting timeout=0/1 and running both update-grub and update-grub2 but I still see it
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• 1153[19:46:13] <coldice> Hello! Is my system broken? apt-cache policy libldb1 - Installed: 2:1.3.3-1 (unstable). Trying to install 2:1.1.27-1+b1 (stable) - makes APT remove 16 packages which I don't want to remove.
• 1154[19:46:17] <coldice> How to proceed?
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• 1156[19:47:06] <coldice> I tried to upgrade samba earlier today, which did work, but it broke SSSD somehow, so now I want to undo everything....
• 1157[19:47:42] <pingfloyd> coldice: are you mixing releases?
• 1158[19:49:09] <coldice> Uhm, I don't think so
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• 1160[19:54:14] <mason> abrotman: o/
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• 1163[19:55:34] <annadane> !bat
• 1164[19:55:35] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1165[19:55:40] <annadane> coldice, ^
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• 1176[20:05:37] <altker128> p0lyph3m: I've run fscks on the HDD and no other issues with any other workloads on it
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• 1178[20:06:05] <altker128> c-c: Yes, my point on the thread is I guess there are some issues with JVM and Linux kernel that Debian happened to be using
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• 1181[20:07:18] <c-c> altker128: well sorry I lost the details that would point towards that, so good luck with debugging that
• 1182[20:08:17] <coldice> regards to my problems: replaced-url
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• 1186[20:10:48] <pingfloyd> coldice: looks like your problem is that you're mixing stable and unstable packages
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• 1188[20:11:08] <coldice> pingfloyd: yes, that is correct. Added output of apt-get install... replaced-url
• 1189[20:11:26] <pingfloyd> !mixing
• 1190[20:11:26] <dpkg> Mixing "stable" with testing/unstable is a bad idea (see <stable/testing mix>,<unmixing>,<downgrade> - instead use <backports>), mixing Debian with other distributions is a worse idea (see <mixing distros>). Mixing unstable into testing OTOH is not unusual (see <testing/unstable mix>. apt-show-versions tries to tell you which repo a package is from, albeit with mixed results (also see <which repo>).
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• 1192[20:11:54] <coldice> Yep... now I want to undo the unstable, guess I just have to flow with the removal of packges and reinstall I guess?
• 1193[20:12:21] <pingfloyd> did you try using -t option to reinstall the stable versions
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• 1198[20:14:28] <pingfloyd> e.g., apt-get install --reinstall -t stable pkg...
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• 1201[20:18:41] <annadane> says the paste isn't found but depending on the unstable packages installed it may not be possible
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• 1203[20:18:58] <coldice> annadane: new paste just below it :)
• 1204[20:19:46] <annadane> i guess the general advice is
• 1205[20:19:50] <annadane> !partial downgrade
• 1206[20:19:50] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
• 1207[20:20:03] <pingfloyd> coldice: main thing you've got to make sure about removal of the packages it wants, is to make sure none of them will affect apt or network connection.
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• 1209[20:20:18] <annadane> but that's probably cutting off head to cure dandruff
• 1210[20:20:26] <annadane> i'd have to actually look at the dependencies
• 1211[20:20:33] <pingfloyd> coldice: lose one of those, and you have an extra obstacle to work through to getting everything back in order.
• 1212[20:21:01] <annadane> instead of apt-get install libldb1=2:1.1.27-1+b1 maybe try it with aptitude, don't press y automatically but see what it says, it has dependency information
• 1213[20:21:04] <pingfloyd> I don't think it will be hard to correct, if there isn't a ton of unstable packages installed
• 1214[20:21:10] <annadane> no, indeed
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• 1216[20:22:00] <pingfloyd> the how to do, you just kind of have to work your way through it. You might use aptitude's tui, so you can play around with best resolution before committing the pkg changes.
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• 1219[20:24:20] <forester> Hi. What is a good service to upload image and then take a link to place here?
• 1220[20:27:07] <coldice> I have never actually used aptitude, installed it tho
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• 1222[20:28:08] <pingfloyd> coldice: probably that lib from unstable is a dependency of some other pkg(s) that were installed from unstable
• 1223[20:28:10] <coldice> forester: any service I guess? postimg.cc example
• 1224[20:28:21] <pingfloyd> coldice: you can traverse the reverse dependencies to find out
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• 1226[20:28:34] <forester> coldice: Thank you
• 1227[20:29:17] <pingfloyd> coldice: apt-rdepend -r pkg (the tui way should be pretty intuitive).
• 1228[20:29:21] <coldice> pingfloyd: replaced-url
• 1229[20:30:04] <coldice> pingfloyd: did you mean apt-cache rdepends ?
• 1230[20:30:16] <pingfloyd> you should see what's going on with those unresolved pkgs.
• 1231[20:30:25] <pingfloyd> see if those are stable versions
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• 1233[20:30:47] <altker128> Are there any Debian developers in here?
• 1234[20:30:48] <pingfloyd> coldice: no, there's also apt-cache rdepends, but apt-rdepends will so dependencies recursively
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• 1237[20:30:54] <pingfloyd> s/so/show/
• 1238[20:31:12] <pingfloyd> both can look in either direction
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• 1240[20:31:15] <pingfloyd> forward or reverse
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• 1244[20:31:54] <pingfloyd> also see if those 3 unresolved pkgs may be marked as manual
• 1245[20:32:33] <coldice> the 3 unresolved pkgs are stable
• 1246[20:32:40] <coldice> and installed
• 1247[20:32:53] <pingfloyd> if any of those pkgs listed for removal, are something you want to keep, you may need to reinstall those.
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• 1249[20:33:43] <coldice> reinstalling sssd will fix that issue, after downgrade of libldb1
• 1250[20:33:55] <pingfloyd> after you get through that, I'd check to see if there are any other unstable packages installed on your system
• 1251[20:34:16] <pingfloyd> I'd go with that one
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• 1261[20:50:45] <coldice> pingfloyd: this is a real mess to clean up
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• 1263[20:52:16] <pingfloyd> that's why it isn't a good idea to mix releases
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• 1275[21:02:09] <coldice> pingfloyd: And I just thought that unstable is packages that is on-going testing and to be released in future
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• 1293[21:27:44] <coldice> pingfloyd: still here? Using aptitude, I get the option: The following actions will resolve this dependency. How can I use one these actions?
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• 1295[21:28:11] <annadane> you press y, but don't do it blindly; the idea is to see what's holding things back
• 1296[21:28:18] <annadane> and you can cycle between proposed solutions
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• 1299[21:29:11] <annadane> a better idea is to post it on paste.debian.net so we can tell you a sane solution
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• 1302[21:30:40] <coldice> I have no clue about aptitude, but I can't copy from a tui, just trying to downgrade from unstable to stable, whelp. Learning by doing I guess
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• 1304[21:31:14] <annadane> you can use netcat or pastebininit
• 1305[21:31:20] <annadane> sorry, pastebinit
• 1306[21:31:34] <annadane> type your command like apt install foo | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1310[21:32:37] <coldice> aptitude to termbin won't work, no?
• 1311[21:32:44] <annadane> should?
• 1312[21:33:01] <annadane> anyway, you can of course just accept its solution and reinstall what you need later... it just comes with obvious risks
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• 1317[21:34:29] <annadane> i just tried it, aptitude does work with termbin
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• 1320[21:36:13] <abrock> hi
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• 1322[21:36:51] <abrock> I did install debian stable but the network interface could not be configured via dhcp during installation
• 1323[21:37:00] <abrock> now I'm struggling with getting it to work
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• 1325[21:38:06] <abrock> dhclient -v enp2s0f1 prints a couple of times "DHCPDISCOVER on enp2s0f1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval $x"
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• 1327[21:38:20] <abrock> but ultimately says "No DHCPOFFERS received"
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• 1331[21:39:58] <omry> I got some weird behavior on a new system, freshly installed with debian stable. the primary problem is that it appears that system locks up after a while, and in a really funny way: I get a black screen with a blinking cursor. if I do HOLD ctrl alt f1 I actually see the underlying login screen but as soon as I leave it it goes back to the blinking cursor. nothing obvious in dmesg or syslog after reboot.
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• 1333[21:41:28] <omry> the system boots normally, but somehow when I ctrl alt f1, I don't get the terminal, instead I see a graphic of bar saying "loading linux 4.0.9-7"
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• 1335[21:42:04] <omry> I suspect the first problem is related to sleep, because it does not lock up when I am using it.
• 1336[21:42:38] <omry> abrock, can you ping your router?
• 1337[21:42:42] <abrock> also added the following to my /etc/network/interfaces: replaced-url
• 1338[21:42:45] <omry> (by ip address)
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• 1341[21:43:26] <abrock> omry: no, also I can ping it without problems from my other laptop
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• 1344[21:44:21] <omry> abrock, is "ip link" show your interface?
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• 1346[21:45:11] <omry> the config you pasted is for static ip address. if you want that you should not be using dhcp
• 1347[21:45:42] <abrock> "ip link" show 1: lo ...... (I skipped that part), 2: enp2s0f1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST etc.
• 1348[21:45:52] <abrock> it doesn't show an ip address
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• 1350[21:46:26] <abrock> I ultimately want to use dhcp but I thought maybe I can get it to work with a static IP, then that would also be fine for now
• 1351[21:46:43] <annadane> omry, just for fun, how'd you prepare the image, maybe it's corrupt
• 1352[21:46:51] <annadane> idk otherwise
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• 1354[21:47:05] <omry> annadane, by image you mean the installation?
• 1355[21:47:18] <annadane> well, how'd you copy it to your install media
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• 1357[21:47:39] <abrock> omry: it also does seem to recognise if there is a cable, the output changes if I remove it / plug it in again
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• 1359[21:47:48] <omry> annadane, my system boots properly. I used some windows tool to move an iso onto a usb thumb drive
• 1360[21:48:08] <annadane> do you remember which? some of them are more successful than others
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• 1362[21:48:20] <annadane> this is probably a red herring in any vase
• 1363[21:48:21] <annadane> case
• 1364[21:48:42] <omry> why do you suspect that? the system is installed and booting, seems that an installation issue would not get me this far
• 1365[21:48:47] <omry> I can check, sec
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• 1367[21:49:10] <annadane> but i shouldn't be speculating on things i don't know about, it likely has nothing to do with it
• 1368[21:49:20] <omry> rufus 3.1
• 1369[21:49:30] <annadane> try win32diskimager, maybe that's the problem
• 1370[21:49:31] <annadane> !rufus
• 1371[21:49:31] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1372[21:49:50] <omry> hmm
• 1373[21:50:15] <omry> annadane, and those problems are manifesting as after installation?
• 1374[21:50:22] <omry> dpkg checksum is not catching them?
• 1375[21:50:23] <dpkg> okay, omry
• 1376[21:50:35] <annadane> dpkg, forget checksum
• 1377[21:50:36] <dpkg> i forgot checksum, annadane
• 1378[21:50:50] <omry> :)
• 1379[21:50:55] <annadane> i just think it's possible it may have corrupted something about the install
• 1380[21:51:00] <annadane> possibly not, though
• 1381[21:51:44] <omry> installation was pretty difficult, so I am not too excited about starting over. I had no access to my ethernet until I installed a driver
• 1382[21:51:57] <omry> which I needed to build, which required build essnetials, which I could not get etc. you get the picture.
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• 1384[21:52:40] <annadane> oh. hmm. well, then don't do it, and maybe someone has an alternative solution
• 1385[21:52:53] <annadane> i'll be quiet and scuttle off to my corner now
• 1386[21:53:41] <omry> hehe, good to know about rufus though. thanks
• 1387[21:54:24] <omry> running debsums now just to be sure
• 1388[21:54:56] <omry> seems good, only warning is about the ethernet driver I installed manually.
• 1389[21:55:25] <omry> annadane, what is the recommended way to get a newer kernel only debian stable?
• 1390[21:55:28] <annadane> the problem can *sometimes* be a corrupt image. which is why i asked, but that should be a last resort thing, not a first answer
• 1391[21:55:42] <annadane> omry, backports
• 1392[21:55:55] <annadane> the one in backports is i think 4.17
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• 1394[21:56:57] <coldice> annadane: thanks! I did some things in aptitude and: apt-cache policy libldb1 == *** 2:1.1.27-1+b1 700
• 1395[21:57:02] <coldice> stable, yay
• 1396[21:57:08] <coldice> and thanks pingfloyd
• 1397[21:58:08] <annadane> coldice, can you just dpkg -l libc6?
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• 1399[21:58:33] <omry> annadane, cool. I will try that. maybe the problem will just go away.
• 1400[21:58:41] <annadane> yeah, possible
• 1401[21:58:49] <annadane> sorry for the sort of non-answer
• 1402[21:58:52] <coldice> annadane: uhm, ok - replaced-url
• 1403[21:59:19] <annadane> coldice, oh, ok. you're probably fine
• 1404[21:59:29] <coldice> what is this magic
• 1405[21:59:55] <annadane> because a lot depends on libc6 and if you installed unstable packages it's possible it installed a newer version, which would be a problem
• 1406[22:00:52] <coldice> yay, sssd works again after downgrade of libldb1
• 1407[22:01:04] <abrock> I downloaded firmware-linux-free on my other laptop and installed it via usb thumb drive on the new one and rebooted, now change
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• 1410[22:04:00] <omry> annadane, seems like I can't install headers from backports due to a bad dependency: replaced-url
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• 1412[22:04:39] <annadane> hmm... i'm not sure one necessarily needs headers if you just generically want a new kernel
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• 1414[22:05:16] <omry> annadane, I will need the headers to build the ethernet driver and probably also to install the nvidia driver package
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• 1416[22:05:34] <annadane> ,v linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86
• 1417[22:05:36] <fooman2011> Hello. I'm trying to play pcm directly to /dev/snd/XXXX using this code: replaced-url
• 1418[22:05:37] <judd> Package: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.82-1+deb9u3; stretch-security: 4.9.88-1+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.9.107-1; stretch-backports: 4.16.12-1~bpo9+1
• 1419[22:06:13] <annadane> omry, i guess go down the dependency chain, try also installing linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 from backports
• 1420[22:07:15] <bites> omry: what's the full command you used to install it? did you forget to add -t stretch-backports ?
• 1421[22:07:23] <annadane> yeah, also that
• 1422[22:07:30] <omry> aha! let me try
• 1423[22:07:35] <annadane> sorry. :P
• 1424[22:07:42] <omry> somehow it worked for the kernel itself without it
• 1425[22:07:54] <omry> maybe because it's a unique package name
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• 1428[22:08:29] <omry> yup, that did it. okay - thanks. booting into the new kernel
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• 1431[22:09:11] <omry> oh, btw: I initially tried debian testing (with 4.17) but I had issues with the nvidia drivers.
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• 1433[22:09:20] <omry> so I am guessing I will hit those again.
• 1434[22:09:48] <omry> but maybe it was 4.17-02
• 1435[22:09:51] <omry> anyway, booting
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• 1437[22:09:54] <annadane> words cannot describe my hatred for nvidia
• 1438[22:09:57] <annadane> you probably will
• 1439[22:11:37] <annadane> i'm leaving for like 20 minutes, feel free to answer omry's questions
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• 1443[22:15:21] <omry> any wisdom about nvidia drivers and kernel 4.17? as expected the nvidia-driver package is not working now
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• 1445[22:16:33] <zleap> hmm, not sure on debian
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• 1449[22:20:20] <abrock> do I need to reboot after installing a firmware-* package?
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• 1451[22:21:31] <dutchfish> abrock, that depends on the firmware, for most kernel modules probably yes.
• 1452[22:21:58] <omry> okay, installed the nvidia-driver from backports too (had to add non-free) and things are looking good for now. I will test if the system still locks up after I leave it alone for a while.
• 1453[22:22:19] <omry> abrock: what firmware are you installing?
• 1454[22:22:38] <abrock> firmware-realtek
• 1455[22:22:41] <abrock> I already rebooted
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• 1457[22:22:58] <omry> it's the driver for your ethernet adapter?
• 1458[22:23:03] <abrock> yes
• 1459[22:23:26] <abrock> "dmesg enp" showed me some error that some firmware couldn't be loaded
• 1460[22:23:40] <omry> at least for me, kernel 4.17 worked better out of the box than the one in stable.
• 1461[22:23:40] <abrock> that error is now gone but still now luck with dhclient
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• 1464[22:23:51] <omry> with respect to my ethernet (different chip)
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• 1466[22:24:14] <omry> so it's another thing to try if you can't make it work
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• 1468[22:24:48] <omry> abrock: static ip first.
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• 1470[22:25:26] <omry> and try to uninstall network-manager
• 1471[22:25:55] <omry> you can also do ifup INTERFACE_NAME -v
• 1472[22:26:07] <omry> to get details about what's happening when it's coming up
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• 1475[22:26:57] <omry> abrock: I noticed that the dhcp server somehow still runs after I uninstalled network manager which fucked things up for me until I killed it.
• 1476[22:27:06] <omry> client, not server
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• 1483[22:33:59] <abrock> network-manager is not installed
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• 1485[22:34:29] <abrock> this is a very minimal netinst-installation where I had no internet connection during install (because dhcp didn't work)
• 1486[22:34:59] <abrock> I also killed the background dhclient process, no change
• 1487[22:35:53] <omry> can you bring down your interface (ifdown) and paste the output of brining it up with -v ?
• 1488[22:36:00] <abrock> I tried to google some troubleshooting guides but all I found is from 2011 and earlier and uses old sotware
• 1489[22:36:19] <abrock> sure, one momnet
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• 1492[22:39:28] <abrock> just changed the network configuration to dhcp using this replaced-url
• 1493[22:40:18] <omry> I think you should focus on static ip first.
• 1494[22:40:49] <omry> dpkg power management
• 1495[22:40:49] <dpkg> omry: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 1498[22:42:14] <omry> annadane: unfortunately I get the same behavior with the newer kernel - blinking cursor on a black screen. in fact it's not stuck as I can get reactions from the keyboard but it's not really working.
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• 1504[22:48:06] <abrock> this is the output of ifup: replaced-url
• 1505[22:48:32] <abrock> that interfaces.d directory is empty
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• 1517[22:59:37] <abrock> assigning the static ip seemed to work, "ip address" shows me that the interface has ip i assigned it
• 1518[22:59:42] <abrock> but still no ping back
• 1519[23:00:01] <uniqdom> Hello, I have an old HDD without data. I want to use it as storage but don't know if it is in good shape. Is there a tool that can run some low level I/O tests in it?
• 1520[23:00:43] <abrock> "ping 10.3.99.100" gives me "From 10.3.99.79 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable"
• 1521[23:00:49] <abrock> uniqdom: badblocks
• 1522[23:00:51] <uniqdom> I'm thinking in a test that can write and read back every cluster of the disk
• 1523[23:01:02] <uniqdom> I will take a look, thanks
• 1524[23:01:29] <abrotman> uniqdom: apt-cache search drive test | less ?
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• 1531[23:05:17] <omry> abrock: are you sure this ip address is free in your network?
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• 1538[23:09:12] <AeCEgGfTv5> OpenVPN --up script runs BEFORE the tunel is fully "connected"...how do I make it wait?
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• 1540[23:10:15] <abrock> omry: pinging it from my working machine gives "Destination Host Unreachable"
• 1541[23:10:33] <abrock> So I think it's free
• 1542[23:10:52] <omry> what is your working machine running?
• 1543[23:10:54] <annadane> omry, anything in .xsession-errors?
• 1544[23:11:15] <omry> annadane: no - but I have a new suspect. screen power saving. testing it now.
• 1545[23:11:52] <abrotman> or the host using that IP is using iptables to drop pings
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• 1547[23:12:07] <omry> abrotman: the host is presumably the router
• 1548[23:12:14] <omry> so I think unlikely
• 1549[23:12:16] <abrock> working machine is running debian stable
• 1550[23:12:38] <omry> abrock: using dhcp?
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• 1552[23:12:43] <abrock> yes
• 1553[23:12:54] <abrock> I also switched cables, no difference
• 1554[23:13:04] <omry> you can try to ifup -v there to get the list of commands used to configure the interface, and compare to the one not working.
• 1555[23:13:13] <omry> see if anything other the ip address is different.
• 1556[23:13:29] <AeCEgGfTv5> is openvpn written by a bunch of monkeys?
• 1557[23:13:30] <abrock> the new machine now has the cable of the working machine
• 1558[23:13:45] <omry> (I think you can, not sure how it works with dhcp actually)
• 1559[23:13:48] <zleap> i think it may be ifup --help
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• 1561[23:17:24] <abrock> ifup -v tells me "no interface(s) specified"
• 1562[23:17:52] <omry> ifup -v interface-name
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• 1564[23:18:16] <abrock> "interface eth0 already configured"
• 1565[23:18:48] <omry> annadane: so - disabling screen power management didn't work. however - I now know the system is not stuck. I can ssh in and if I restart lightdm it recovers.
• 1566[23:19:17] <omry> abrock: ifdown it first
• 1567[23:19:35] <omry> from the actual machine, not over the network :)
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• 1569[23:20:59] <omry> annadane: and I lied, there actually is some crap in ~/.xession-errors
• 1570[23:21:01] <omry> replaced-url
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• 1573[23:22:20] <annadane> well there was a bug but you're on debian stable so it shouldn't affect...
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• 1575[23:23:08] <abrock> Here are logs of up and down for both machines: replaced-url
• 1576[23:23:11] * abrotman wonders why .100 is presumably the router
• 1577[23:23:44] <annadane> ,v xserver-xorg-core
• 1578[23:23:45] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u8; jessie: 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2:1.16.4-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u2; stretch-security: 2:1.19.2-1+deb9u2; buster: 2:1.19.6-1; sid: 2:1.20.0-3
• 1579[23:24:13] <annadane> 1.20 has a bunch of bugs but it shouldn't affect stretch
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• 1581[23:25:50] <annadane> like xfce and nouveau in particular, had problems, yours truly got bitten by it
• 1582[23:25:56] <annadane> but it has nothing to do with debian stable
• 1583[23:26:40] <omry> annadane: nvidia driver blacklisted nouveau
• 1584[23:26:43] <omry> so it's probably not it.
• 1585[23:27:13] <omry> I also noticed that I didn't fully disable blanking the screen after 10 minutes.
• 1586[23:27:18] <omry> so testing again.
• 1587[23:27:55] <omry> abrock: can you paste ifconfig on the working machine?
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• 1589[23:29:46] <annadane> the stupid and obvious solution would be to install a policy agent, as per the .xsession-errors log
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• 1591[23:30:06] <annadane> but why *that* wouldn't be installed is anyone's guess
• 1592[23:30:21] <abrock> omry: replaced-url
• 1593[23:30:24] <omry> abrock: also the output of route
• 1594[23:31:13] <omry> annadane: what policy agent? regarding which problem?
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• 1596[23:31:37] <annadane> (xfce4-session:2552): xfce4-session-WARNING **: Unable to launch "/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1" (specified by autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop): Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1" (No such file or directory)
• 1597[23:32:08] <omry> annadane: ah - that. it seemed pretty harmless to me. you think this is causing my issues?
• 1598[23:32:15] <annadane> i have no clue
• 1599[23:32:25] <omry> why is xfce depending gnome in the first place? :)
• 1600[23:32:25] <annadane> it's there in writing, though
• 1601[23:32:31] <annadane> so it's possible avenue #87698469874967498758
• 1602[23:32:52] <abrock> omry: the output of "route -n" on the working machine: replaced-url
• 1603[23:32:54] <annadane> i'd really like someone else to chime in so i don't look like such an idiot
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• 1605[23:34:11] <omry> abrock: what does it look like on the new machine with the static ip address?
• 1606[23:34:25] <annadane> also afaik gnome's policykit is fairly common
• 1607[23:34:57] <omry> I suspect this gnome policykit is a red herring
• 1608[23:35:11] <annadane> a critical component being missing as detailed in the xsession errors log would be consistent with a corrupt image or some failure to reach the mirrors... but i have nothing further to go on
• 1609[23:35:14] <annadane> i suspect that too
• 1610[23:35:35] <annadane> all i'm doing is adding noise, i should let anyone else answer
• 1611[23:35:37] <abrock> omry: The new machine has neither "route" nor "ifconfig" installed
• 1612[23:35:45] <omry> annadane: debsums says my installed packages are intact
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• 1614[23:36:57] <omry> abrock: hmm, can you try to install net-tools on it?
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• 1616[23:37:12] <omry> maybe bring over the deb from the working machine if they are both running debian stable.
• 1617[23:37:46] <omry> apt-get download net-tools , copy over and install with dpkg -i
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• 1620[23:41:02] <abrock> omry: I managed to install to install net-tools. results: replaced-url
• 1621[23:41:54] <annadane> for really complex problems, if no one has a clue, you can also try crossposting to debian-user@lists.debian.org
• 1622[23:42:39] <omry> abrock: you don't have the same mask
• 1623[23:42:54] <omry> try to match the mask on the new machine with that on the working one.
• 1624[23:43:08] <omry> 255.255.255.0 vs 255.0.0.0
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• 1626[23:43:39] <annadane> this probably would've been solved already though if i had shut up from the start
• 1627[23:43:57] <omry> annadane: hehe. I _may_ have solved it
• 1628[23:44:56] <omry> it didn't get into that state since I switch the suspent screen from 10m to never
• 1629[23:45:21] <annadane> so a suspend bug
• 1630[23:45:25] <omry> it's been almost 20 minutes and it's still good. I will test it a bit longer before declaring victory.
• 1631[23:45:46] <annadane> out of curiosity, laptop?
• 1632[23:45:50] <omry> nope
• 1633[23:45:57] <omry> new hardware for htpc.
• 1634[23:46:24] <omry> motherboard: replaced-url
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• 1642[23:57:11] <annadane> i'm going to head off. hope no more problems arise with the suspend thing
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