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85 [00:43:23] <Stiffler> hello
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87 [00:43:29] <gry> hi
88 [00:43:39] <Stiffler> is their any way to install ppa in
debian jessy?
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90 [00:45:04] <humbag> its quite simple but rather unusual
91 [00:45:35] <humbag> theres no way the people who make apt can
predict what a ppa will do to Debian
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93 [00:45:56] <Stiffler> but i want to add as many software are
easily upgrade by that
94 [00:46:07] <Stiffler> so if u know a proper way pls share
95 [00:46:24] <humbag> is it an ubuntu ppa ?
96 [00:46:28] <Stiffler> ya
97 [00:46:33] <humbag> eep
98 [00:46:34] <Stiffler> ubuntu/mint
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101 [00:46:43] <humbag> i shouldn't even be talking to you
:p
102 [00:46:54] <Stiffler> lol i was debian user
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104 [00:47:00] <Stiffler> shifted to mnt lol
105 [00:47:04] <Stiffler> mint
106 [00:47:21] <Stiffler> due to bogus outdated packages in
stable
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108 [00:47:30] <humbag> all the relevant files are in /etc/apt
109 [00:47:46] <Stiffler> so how i do it
110 [00:48:00] <humbag> sources files contain sources and
preferences files control which ones are preferred
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112 [00:48:01] <Stiffler> as ppa differs so i add straight into
etc?
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116 [00:48:55] <humbag> maybe you should read about apt-pinning
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120 [00:49:32] <Stiffler> maybe u can offer a straight answer
will help a lot
121 [00:49:45] <Stiffler> as i testing something right now
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131 [00:52:37] <Stiffler> can anyone shine light on how i can add
ppa into jessy
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133 [00:52:49] <johnkeates> ppa = ubuntu
134 [00:52:55] <Stiffler> yes
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136 [00:53:00] <johnkeates> jessie is not ubuntu
137 [00:53:06] <Stiffler> ppa = more software choices
138 [00:53:07] <johnkeates> it is debian
139 [00:53:15] <johnkeates> no
140 [00:53:29] <johnkeates> ppa is an apt repo packaged in a
non-universal way for ubuntu
141 [00:53:34] <Stiffler> they give ppas more than deb packages
142 [00:53:41] <Stiffler> i know..
143 [00:53:44] <johnkeates> you need a normal repo
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145 [00:53:47] <Stiffler> but i want to add it
146 [00:54:04] <johnkeates> find the ppa, get the normal apt url,
add it to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/name-here.list
147 [00:54:08] <Stiffler> so how do i get a normal repo when the
software gives ppas?
148 [00:54:20] <johnkeates> a pap is a normal repo with some
ubuntu sauce tacked on
149 [00:54:23] <johnkeates> ppa*
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151 [00:55:14] <Stiffler> can u pls suggest how i can get normal
url from ppas?
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155 [00:58:57] <johnkeates> Stiffler: click on "Technical
details about this PPA"
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157 [00:59:21] <Stiffler> ok
158 [00:59:34] <johnkeates> i.e. when it says "sudo
add-apt-repository ppa:mango-vdr/easy-next-base" you go to
replaced-url
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165 [01:03:32] <Stiffler> hmm
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168 [01:04:55] <Stiffler> how jhon its hard to know how it works
and how i can decipher it
169 [01:04:59] <somiaj> I would not use a ppa in debian unless
you are exteremly confident (which is rare) that the packages in the
ppa are built with debian policy/packages/dependencies in mind
170 [01:05:32] <somiaj> Stiffler: so my answer would be NO. do
not add a ppa to debian jessie.
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173 [01:06:48] <Stiffler> the only reason i am trying to add ppa
s are easy update and mostly how days software gives ppa than deb
packages or apt list
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188 [01:12:36] <Stiffler> hmmmmm
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193 [01:13:40] <Stiffler> can anyone give a ppas solution?
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197 [01:14:20] <bazhang> sure
198 [01:14:30] <bazhang> never use ppa with debian
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200 [01:14:58] <_r4z> lol
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202 [01:15:11] <Stiffler> tell that to theme makes and software
amkers lol
203 [01:15:15] <Stiffler> makers
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208 [01:17:22] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
209 [01:18:09] <OerHeks> Stiffler, why not build the source
yourself if you find no jessie packages?
210 [01:18:18] <NapoleonWils0n> im running jessie with i3wm and
cant seem to get polkit to allow mounting of drives without sudo
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212 [01:18:47] <NapoleonWils0n> does debian use
/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/
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215 [01:19:15] <Stiffler> its hard work.. taken the fact i use
linux as my hobby to lab rather than bread earner .. time is the
issue here ..
216 [01:19:42] <NapoleonWils0n> i see references to using
/etc/polkit-1/localauthority
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219 [01:20:36] <somiaj> Stiffler: if you find you need software
not provided for debian, why not just use ubuntu? Note there are
ways to do this, but standard advise from #debian is don't
because we don't want to worry about any issues it may give
people we are trying to help out.
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221 [01:21:08] <somiaj> NapoleonWils0n: what kinda drives are you
needing to mount?
222 [01:21:17] <NapoleonWils0n> usb drive
223 [01:21:29] <NapoleonWils0n> have to sudo mount /dev/sdb ~/mnt
224 [01:21:32] <Stiffler> ubuntu is hoggy as 3rd grade engine ..
lame code unstable and it goes on i hate it..
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226 [01:21:53] <NapoleonWils0n> cant seem to get ranger to auto
mount usb drives
227 [01:21:53] <somiaj> NapoleonWils0n: sure it isn't
/dev/sdb1? And is almost usb drive you use, use this same hardware
address?
228 [01:22:00] <Stiffler> i was using debian to start with was
with stable but old lame software made to switch to arc
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230 [01:22:02] <NapoleonWils0n> yes sdb1
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234 [01:22:18] <Stiffler> then again for deb packages i switch to
mint
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236 [01:22:53] <NapoleonWils0n> can i create
/etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-default.rules file
237 [01:22:56] <somiaj> NapoleonWils0n: anways, I do think
policykit is the more modern solution but fstab entry can make it so
you don't need sudo (but if for somereason the drive gets
detected as /dev/sdc1 the fstab entry won't work)
238 [01:23:19] <somiaj> NapoleonWils0n: I don't know
policykit well enough to give you advise on that. Just suggesting an
alternative solution.
239 [01:23:26] <NapoleonWils0n> does polkit work with .rules
files or only .pkla files
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241 [01:23:58] <NapoleonWils0n> i do use fstab, for smb and nfs
shares
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244 [01:25:29] <Stiffler> THX @ <johnkeates> for the info i
was too dumb n lame to understand "Technical details about this
PPA" ty again
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248 [01:28:23] <somiaj> Stiffler: what software is this? And is
there not an alternative in debian?
249 [01:29:53] <somiaj> Stiffler: I personally find building
upstream source and installing in /usr/local (maybe using stow) for
software outside of debian (or build my own .deb)
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252 [01:30:58] <Stiffler> ok
253 [01:31:02] <Stiffler> try this one
254 [01:31:04] <Stiffler> its theme
255 [01:31:17] <Stiffler>
replaced-url
256 [01:31:32] <cluelessperson> how do I fix this?
257 [01:31:33] <cluelessperson> The following packages have unmet
dependencies:
258 [01:31:33] <cluelessperson> gstreamer1.0-vaapi : Depends:
libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 (< 1.8.4) but 1.10.0-1 is to be
installed
259 [01:31:42] <Stiffler> weird i added it but its not upgrading
260 [01:32:18] <Stiffler> i can build.deb but its painfull..
thats all so i am looking for alternatives
261 [01:32:35] <somiaj> cluelessperson: what version of debian
are you using?
262 [01:33:30] <cluelessperson> somiaj, how do I print it out for
you? I just upgraded to SID from jessie
263 [01:34:04] <missmbob> !debian-next
264 [01:34:04] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
265 [01:34:07] <missmbob> cluelessperson: go there
266 [01:34:25] <cluelessperson> missmbob, invite only
267 [01:34:33] <missmbob> cluelessperson: you need to read the
entire message
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270 [01:34:46] <somiaj> cluelessperson: that can cause such
problems. Sometimes packages are just not installable in sid.
Anyways help is on irc.oftc.net
271 [01:35:07] <cluelessperson> I don't feel like setting up
on annother network. ;_;
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274 [01:35:18] <missmbob> you're off topic here. so too bad.
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276 [01:35:30] <cluelessperson> it's so broken
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278 [01:35:54] <somiaj> its more prefered you talk on oftc,
though I don't consider it offtopic completely since it is
another network.
279 [01:36:09] <somiaj> cluelessperson: in your case I say go get
help from there, if you are new to sid this may take a bit to work
out.
280 [01:36:48] <cluelessperson> somiaj, I'm trying to get
gstreamer up to date, which has a bunch of dependencies. I thought
testing/sid was relatively stable.
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282 [01:37:26] <somiaj> cluelessperson: there is a difference
between testing and sid. And relatively is very vague. Those who use
it know how to debug problems like this when they happen.
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289 [01:40:03] <keanne> hi channel. what is the debian way of
locking an interface to a specific ethx? I have a debian sid server
with multiple nics, but eth0 jumps from one interface to another
upon reboots.
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291 [01:40:30] <Stiffler> is their any way to check to know if i
am using testing or sid rather than /etc ?
292 [01:40:48] <somiaj> Stiffler: apt-cache policy will tell you
what your sources are
293 [01:41:04] <somiaj> Stiffler: but if you have mixed/changed
you have to look at each package to know where it came from
294 [01:41:14] <Stiffler> hmmm
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296 [01:42:15] <somiaj> keanne: that shouldn't happen. udev
should make interface names static. This use to be done through
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules though I have some vague
feeling that systemd wants to handel this now
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299 [01:42:50] <somiaj> Stiffler: apt-cache policy packagename
will tell you about the package.
300 [01:43:23] <seanrdev> Is there a one liner to creating a file
with vim and inserting say 30 e's?
301 [01:44:50] <keanne> somiaj: hmm, i double checked the debian
version, its 8.6 and rebooted the server twice today, and twice eth0
switches between interfaces.
302 [01:44:53] <somiaj> if you specifically want to use vim,
I'd ask a more vim centered channel. There are ways to program
that, but I can't think of any nice way.
303 [01:45:30] <somiaj> keanne: does the macaddress of your
interface change?
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308 [01:46:26] <somiaj> keanne: Do you have
/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ?
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310 [01:47:47] <keanne> somiaj: no i don't have that rule
311 [01:47:51] <seanrdev> thank you somiaj
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317 [01:49:30] <somiaj> keanne: do you have udev installed? On my
jessie installs this file is being created
318 [01:49:44] <missmbob> i'm not sure it does if it detects
a vps
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320 [01:50:05] <keanne> somiaj: i could create one, but i wonder
why the default install did not created one by default. thanks for
the heads up. i'll take a look if udev is installed
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333 [01:53:05] <somiaj> missmbob: yea looks like that may be it,
I don't have one on my vm.
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423 [02:51:19] <CatBehemoth> .
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467 [03:16:21] <veek> when you type ctrl-c, who converts the c-c
into a signal? the terminal driver?
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470 [03:17:59] <bezaban> it sends a signal. SIGINT, I think it is
handled by init
471 [03:18:13] <veek> who sends a signal?
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475 [03:18:41] <bezaban> it is caught by init? not sure
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477 [03:19:11] <bezaban> sysrq keys are independent of software,
not sure how signals are trapped
478 [03:19:24] <bezaban> well. not independent of software, but
direct to kernel
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480 [03:20:23] <bezaban> would be interesting if someone who
knows this could comment :P
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482 [03:20:59] <n4dir>
replaced-url
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485 [03:23:03] <random_numbers> So, I have a problem. I tried to
install 'adminer' and I can't access it.
replaced-url
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487 [03:23:21] <random_numbers> (I did not do the wget step as
that'd defeat the point of using the repos.)
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490 [03:23:54] <bezaban> random_numbers: how did you try to
install 'adminer' and how can't you access it?
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492 [03:24:22] <random_numbers> apt-get install adminer
493 [03:24:45] <random_numbers> It installed apache and mysql.
However
replaced-url
494 [03:24:57] <bezaban> is apache running?
495 [03:25:00] <random_numbers> Yeah.
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497 [03:25:09] <bezaban> what is happening? what do logs say?
498 [03:25:12] <random_numbers> I tried the steps in the
above-linked guide (save the wget steps) and it didn't do
anything
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501 [03:25:54] <random_numbers> 404
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508 [03:28:52] <bezaban> random_numbers: check webroot in default
site of apache and figure out where adminer puts its files
509 [03:29:07] <random_numbers> It put them is
/usr/share/adminer/*
510 [03:29:10] <bezaban> need to understand what is happening
511 [03:29:11] <random_numbers> s/is/in/
512 [03:29:17] <bezaban> yeah, so set up a website for there
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515 [03:29:35] <random_numbers> How?
516 [03:29:41] <bezaban> in apache conf
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519 [03:31:39] <bezaban> typically
/etc/apache2/sites-available/default symlink valid configs to
../sites-enabled
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531 [03:37:39] <random_numbers> Did as much. Doesn't seem to
help
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535 [03:41:04] <random_numbers> Hm. Ports had to be configured,
as did site. How would I make localhost:81/adminer appear as the
server's root on port 81?
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538 [03:43:12] <monsune> hello good fellows! is it possible to
swap a drive in raid1 assuming that my system is running off that
raid? I have the 2 drives there and 3rd one is already connected. so
i want to get drive C in place of drive A in the raid consisting of
A+B. is this even possible?
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543 [03:47:17] <bezaban> monsune: something like this worked for
me
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545 [03:47:51] <bezaban> might want to replace the disk after
removing it from the array, rather than having them all in place
546 [03:48:14] <bezaban> much easier
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550 [03:49:59] <monsune> bezaban thank you, i checked there
before too :) i'm just not sure if i could point to /dev/sdc
instead of /dev/sda
551 [03:50:48] <monsune> i mean if i decide to remove /dev/sda
from raid1 - would i be able to put /dev/sdc in place or does it
have to be new /dev/sda
552 [03:50:58] <bezaban> mdadm is the workhorse here, don't
know the entire syntax by hand
553 [03:51:12] <monsune> yeah i know it's not that easy
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557 [03:52:06] <monsune> but i guess mdadm wouldn't really
care... it's just a device
558 [03:52:23] <bezaban> monsune: do you have physical access to
the machine?
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563 [03:53:53] <monsune> nope.. that's why i need to put a
special care in this
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566 [03:55:34] <bezaban> if yes. powerdown. remove faulty drive
(the right one!), replace with spare. Poweron, rebuild
567 [03:56:07] <bezaban> if no. do the same.
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575 [04:05:17] <monsune> bezaban i decided to go for a different
path:
576 [04:05:24] <monsune> md1 : active raid1 sdc2[2] sdb2[0]
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578 [04:05:24] <monsune> 1949232128 blocks super 1.2 [2/1] [U_]
579 [04:05:24] <monsune> [>....................] recovery =
0.0% (1260928/1949232128) finish=283.2min speed=114629K/sec
580 [04:05:42] <monsune> hot swapped :) rebuilding with sdc now
581 [04:06:09] <bezaban> monsune: cool. that depends on hardware,
but good it worked for you :) Check for UU
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583 [04:06:26] <monsune> so just in case you ever needed that -
it works great with any device :)
584 [04:06:29] <bezaban> [UU]
585 [04:06:34] <bezaban> yay
586 [04:06:35] <bezaban> :)
587 [04:06:37] <monsune> yeah just need to wait 4 hours to see
the UU :)
588 [04:06:52] <bezaban> 283 min :P
589 [04:06:55] <bezaban> might adjust
590 [04:06:56] <monsune> it was actually easy peasy
591 [04:06:59] <monsune> hope so...
592 [04:07:14] <monsune> but i guess i can work now right?
it's just degraded but usable
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594 [04:07:34] <bezaban>
replaced-url
595 [04:08:00] <monsune> lmao so true...
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598 [04:08:15] <bezaban> monsune: have a nice day, it's
night here :)
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600 [04:08:40] <monsune> well 4am here indeed :) have a good
night and thank you :)
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603 [04:08:55] <bezaban> monsune: well, yes. CET here too
604 [04:09:35] <bezaban> monsune: taking some compensation time
tomorrow morning.
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609 [04:13:01] <monsune> bezaban nice nice :)
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632 [04:33:02] <zay> hola
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647 [04:43:03] <cluelessperson> hey guys, how can you easily
setup debian to be remotely accessible on the desktop?
648 [04:43:12] <cluelessperson> vnc seems bitchy
649 [04:43:18] <gry> what does vnc tell you
650 [04:43:23] <gry> you could try rdesktop and xrdp
651 [04:43:41] <zay> ssh -l username -p 22 -X x.x.x.x
652 [04:43:52] <zay> x11 forwarding rules ;)
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658 [04:46:22] <cluelessperson> zay, so I can do x11 forwarding,
but how do I view the desktop?
659 [04:46:26] <cluelessperson> the running desktop
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661 [04:47:28] <zay> cluelessperson: hmm... good point. in this
case, i'd say xrdp/rdesktop is better
662 [04:49:49] <Rusty1_> vnc might be considered
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670 [04:57:52] <daemon> hey all I muted my desktop in debian, now
after I have unmuted it
671 [04:57:57] <daemon> all audio is still muted
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673 [04:58:01] <daemon> alsa says volume and pcm are up
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675 [04:58:07] <daemon> is there a way to send a rset to the
audio controls somehow
676 [04:58:09] <gry> debian testing, no?
677 [04:58:17] <daemon> jessie
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679 [04:58:30] <daemon> intel hda sound card
680 [04:58:49] <missmbob> install/run pavucontrol
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683 [04:59:54] <daemon> odd
684 [04:59:59] <daemon> found HDMI on monitors
685 [05:00:06] <daemon> bluetooth
686 [05:00:09] <daemon> and built in analog stereo
687 [05:00:21] <daemon> take it the build in analog is the intel
hda
688 [05:00:27] <missmbob> yep
689 [05:00:46] <daemon> it was disabled
690 [05:00:48] <daemon> wonder how that happened
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725 [05:22:42] <H1LL4RYkillsJEWS> Vote for Hillary Clinton to
dissolve our alliance with Israel! Vote for Hillary and watch the
Jews die! Vote for Hillary to respect ISIS's rights! Vote for
Hillary to illegalize free speech! Vote for Hillary to triple the
national debt! Vote for Hillary to ship more jobs overseas! Vote for
Hillary to make Russia great again!
726 [05:23:39] -H1LL4RYkillsJEWS- Vote
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788 [06:01:17] <Neo> greetings everyone
789 [06:01:33] <Neo> I'm troubleshooting a pretty fresh
install
790 [06:01:58] <Neo> just added the proper wifi firmware package
to this laptop
791 [06:02:15] <rabies> yo
792 [06:02:23] <Neo> network manager isn't seeing the wifi
card
793 [06:02:27] <Neo> but iwconfig does
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797 [06:03:16] <stoned> Heyooo I'm being a goofy goof! :D
798 [06:03:20] <stoned>
replaced-url
799 [06:03:37] <Neo> I can't figure out how to get network
manager to see wlan0
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801 [06:04:14] <stoned> *shrug* I was bored. Someone I was
talking with didn't know about ZRAM. I found myself telling
people about ZRAM. To not repeat so much, I typed it in a blog.
I'm sure you guys already know zram.
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810 [06:10:17] <monsune> nice one stoned, thanks a lot!
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813 [06:15:50] <stoned> Sure man
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822 [06:21:24] <stoned> updated blog post w/ 4 block devices
script example, and two devices example.
823 [06:21:50] <stoned> Enjoy. I'm going to enjoy a nacho.
Just one nacho. o/
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825 [06:22:49] <monsune> please do enjoy the nacho, just one
nacho :)
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828 [06:26:59] <jusss> if I want remove package A, how to remove
the packages who depends A and which A depend?
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831 [06:28:15] <jusss> make the system return the state that it
hasn't install package A
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841 [06:37:31] <stoned> jusss apt-cache depends PackageA
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843 [06:38:02] <stoned> jusss apt-cache depends PackageA|grep -i
depends
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845 [06:40:08] <jusss> stoned: that can get who depends package
A?
846 [06:40:20] <stoned> reverse depends
847 [06:40:22] <stoned> ?
848 [06:40:38] <stoned> try apt-cache rdepends
849 [06:40:49] <jusss> ok I will try
850 [06:41:24] <awal1> jusss, I dont know if I understood you but
apt-get remove A && apt-get autoremove is simply what you
need what you need
851 [06:41:57] <stoned> I assumed he already knew that bit
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854 [06:42:33] <awal1> I guess he was refering to recommends also
855 [06:42:49] <stoned> \o/
856 [06:42:50] <jusss> stoned: awal1 do you have used pacman?
I'd like to do like pacman -Rsc
857 [06:43:12] <stoned> no
858 [06:43:18] <awal1> jusss, i dont really understand your
"issue"
859 [06:43:43] <stoned> he wants rdepends.
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861 [06:44:02] <stoned> he has packageA installed. He wants to
remove not only packageA but all the pckages that depend on pacakgeA
862 [06:44:07] <stoned> i think so.
863 [06:44:19] <jusss> package B depend package A, and package A
depend package C, now I'd like to remove B and C through remove
A
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866 [06:44:55] <awal1> and what if D recommends C and depends on
B?
867 [06:44:58] <awal1> :D
868 [06:45:24] <stoned> It hits the fan
869 [06:45:28] <jusss> then remove C and don't remove B
870 [06:45:47] <stoned> instead of theoretical stuff
871 [06:45:57] <stoned> tell us what you're trying to
remove, and why
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873 [06:47:08] <jusss> I want to remove lxde!
874 [06:47:32] <jusss> remove the whole desktop environment, not
just wm stuff
875 [06:47:42] <stoned> ok
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877 [06:47:55] <stoned> apt-get --purge remove ^.lxde*
878 [06:47:58] <stoned> Probably.
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880 [06:48:03] <stoned> try that, see what it wants to remove.
881 [06:48:04] <humbag> tasksel
882 [06:49:01] <pingfloyd> jusss: if you remove the meta-package
lxde, it should remove everything it depends on with autoremove
unless something else depends on them, or you've marked them as
manually installed
883 [06:49:26] <awal1> jusss, so just remove all lxde stuff!
something like: aptitude or apt-get purge `dpkg --get-selections |
grep lxde | cut -f 1` && aptitude or apt-get -f install
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885 [06:49:39] <awal1> for start ^
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892 [06:53:57] <n4dir> won't help much with lxterminal
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894 [06:54:19] <n4dir> and you could just as well apt-get remove
*lxde*
895 [06:54:34] <jusss> pacman -Rsc A is so easy to that
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897 [06:55:08] <jusss> and lxde don't just depends that
*lxde*
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900 [06:55:51] <jusss> aptitude should consider those functions I
think
901 [06:56:24] <awal1> jusss, the command I gave you should let
you remove almost all lxde stuff
902 [06:56:40] <awal1> replace "lxde" by anything else
903 [06:57:06] <jusss> aptitude, apt-get, apt-cache, dpkg, all
those stuff, why to give a more simple command
904 [06:57:09] <n4dir> like said, imho no need for the
get-selections grep and cut voodoo, just use *
905 [06:57:17] <humbag> interactive aptitude is good too
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907 [06:58:46] <humbag> lxde-desktop is a task, can be removed
with tasksel
908 [06:59:15] <jusss> humbag: how?
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910 [06:59:53] <humbag> i think its interactive
911 [07:01:33] <humbag> these people are usually more experienced
than me though, not sure why its preferred to use the most simple
tool
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913 [07:01:44] <pink_vampire> hi
914 [07:02:08] <pink_vampire> i need some help with the
installation
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917 [07:02:49] <awal1> jusss, humbag refers to aptitude in text
mode
918 [07:03:00] <pink_vampire> I have windows 7 on the computer,
and i want to also install linux cnc (debian based)
919 [07:03:21] <pink_vampire> on the partition page in the
installation i have 2 partitions 100mb and 1tb
920 [07:04:34] <pink_vampire> how do i shrink down the 1tb to
500gb ntfs, and 500gb free
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931 [07:08:00] <awal1> pink_vampire: you'll have to ask in
your distro channel
932 [07:08:30] <pink_vampire> solved
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939 [07:10:58] <H1LL4RYL0V351RAN> Vote for Hillary Clinton to
dissolve our alliance with Israel! Vote for Hillary and watch the
Jews die! Vote for Hillary to respect ISIS's
rights! Vote for Hillary to illegalize free speech! Vote
for Hillary to triple the national debt! Vote for Hillary to
ship more jobs overseas! Vote for Hillary to give nukes to
Iran! Vote for Hillary to make Russia great again!
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954 [07:15:29] -H1LL4RYhatesJ3W5- Vote for Hillary Clinton to dissolve
our alliance with Israel! Vote for Hillary and watch the Jews
die! Vote for Hillary to respect ISIS's rights!
Vote for Hillary to illegalize free speech! Vote for Hillary
to triple the national debt! Vote for Hillary to ship more
jobs overseas! Vote for Hillary to give nukes to Iran! Vote
for Hillary to make Russia great again!
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956 [07:15:46] <peterrooney> !ops spam
957 [07:15:46] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: peterrooney
complains about: spam
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961 [07:16:41] <H1LL4RYhatesJ3W5> !ops peterrooney spamming
pro-jewish garbage
962 [07:16:41] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: h1ll4ryhatesj3w5
complains about: peterrooney spamming pro-jewish garbage
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967 [07:22:16] <jusss> how to get the debian official groups?
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974 [07:25:14] <nkuttler> jusss: groups?
975 [07:26:23] <H1LL4RYhatesJ3W5> you have to elect Hillary first
976 [07:26:24] <jusss> nkuttler: you know like get a mail stuff
with @debian
977 [07:26:29] <jusss> blah blah
978 [07:26:32] <H1LL4RYhatesJ3W5> to let Islam kill all the Jews
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981 [07:26:50] <H1LL4RYhatesJ3W5> it's their right to build
nukes and kill jews. Let Iran be. Vote for Clinton.
982 [07:26:52] <nkuttler> jusss: not sure what you mean.
announcements and such?
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987 [07:28:47] <pingfloyd> jusss: the groups are setup as you
install packages that need them
988 [07:28:58] <pingfloyd> jusss: some of the groups are a part
of base
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991 [07:30:29] <pingfloyd> jusss:
replaced-url
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995 [07:32:28] <jusss> ok
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1105 [08:39:01] <michelsedgh> hello guys, I wanted to update to
debian sid and I get the following error. I have updated my
sources.list.
replaced-url
1106 [08:39:11] <michelsedgh> any help on how to update?
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1108 [08:40:14] <nkuttler> !tell michelsedgh about debian-next
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1113 [08:41:28] <raidghost> Good morning. To check for multiple
directories matching "something" what is the best tool?
Locate or find?
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1119 [08:43:05] <nkuttler> raidghost: depends on what best means
to you
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1124 [08:43:51] <raidghost> nkuttler: Just wanna know if i've
got example 2 directories that contains the same "match"
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1126 [08:44:14] <raidghost> So i can check the file size and save
up some GB
1127 [08:44:20] <nkuttler> raidghost: and "match" is
what?
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1129 [08:44:48] <raidghost> Okey: Lets say there is a dvd
directory with alot of dvd backup iso files
1130 [08:45:00] <nkuttler> raidghost: a string, or a regex?
1131 [08:45:13] <raidghost> a string, sir
1132 [08:45:39] <awal1> find is/can be more "up-to-date"
1133 [08:45:43] <nkuttler> the locate i guess, if it's
already installed. but if you know the location of both dirs find
might be as fast
1134 [08:45:46] <nkuttler> and that
1135 [08:46:45] <michelsedgh> E: Error,
pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by
held packages.
1136 [08:46:53] <michelsedgh> how can I solve that?! ^
1137 [08:47:03] <nkuttler> michelsedgh: this channel isn't
for sid support
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1139 [08:47:14] <michelsedgh> the sid channel only has 3 users
1140 [08:47:24] <nkuttler> michelsedgh: it's on a different
irc network
1141 [08:47:39] <michelsedgh> #debian-next on oftc server
1142 [08:47:40] <nkuttler> and has 300 people in it
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1144 [08:47:50] <raidghost> nkuttler and awal1. Thanks for the
advices! ;)
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1152 [08:49:57] <awal1> michelsedgh, dpkg is clear: "The
following packages have unmet dependencies:...."
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1159 [08:50:20] <michelsedgh> thanks nkuttler
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1239 [09:31:37] <fiacha> Hi Guys, I update my DO dropplet and now
I can no longer use tun. In syslog i see "kernel: [ 2.900996]
tun: Unknown symbol __sk_attach_filter (err 0)"... I googled
this but I cannot find any info. I tried upgrading the kernel (now
3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64
GNU/Linux) but still doesn't work. Anybody have any idea?
1240 [09:32:30] <jelly> fiacha: 3.16.7-ckt25-2 is an old kernel.
Make sure your VM boots the updated kernel first.
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1246 [09:34:04] <fiacha> jelly: I did a full power down and on two
times now. It is the latest that i can choose on the DO
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1248 [09:35:04] <jelly> fiacha: then ask your provider how to
proceed
1249 [09:35:30] <jelly> you ought to be at... Linux hostname
3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.36-1+deb8u2 (2016-10-19) x86_64
GNU/Linux
1250 [09:35:45] <fiacha> jelly: yes, i am doing that now. Thank
you.
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1252 [09:36:21] <jelly> fiacha: you're not the first person
to ask this, if you solve it maybe mention the answer here as well
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1262 [09:39:16] <jelly> fiacha: it's possible they think same
name of files /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 and initrd signify the
same kernel version -- incorrect for Debian
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1267 [09:40:18] <jelly> ubuntu almost always bumps the kernel ABI
and therefore file names change, but debian keeps the same for the
patched kernel if possible
1268 [09:40:48] <fiacha> jelly: ah, thank you, i will pass this
along and report back if i get it to work
1269 [09:41:14] <fiacha> it is good to know that i am not the only
one, hopefully a solution will be found soon :)
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1278 [09:45:37] <fiacha> yes, name is the same but
initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 was updated today
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1280 [09:47:26] <Ke> fiacha: really, I didn't see it now
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1323 [10:05:39] <candidat> hello guys
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1325 [10:06:20] <jelly> hello girl
1326 [10:06:49] <candidat> i m naked under my dress :P
1327 [10:07:25] <candidat> do you want to cyber ?
1328 [10:07:39] <fiacha> Ke: I don't know what I'm
talking about, just looking at files. Someone maybe had a similar
issue:
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1330 [10:08:44] <Ke> fiacha: oh wait, if you mean initrd,
it's not bound to kernel updates, but regenerated on ~almost
any update
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1332 [10:10:00] <jelly> Ke: the context was his VM provider not
using the correct kernel after patching
1333 [10:10:13] <Ke> ok
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1343 [10:15:48] <troulouliou_div2> why is jigdo better over iso ?
it seems like the cd archive propos jigdo only for old 8.x cd
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1347 [10:17:03] <hargut_> Hello.
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1349 [10:17:58] <hargut_> I'm wondering if I have a binary
blob, running on a 2.6.32 kernel, will it work on 4.4.x as well, or
do I have to expect binary incompatibilities with such a huge kernel
version update?
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1352 [10:25:47] <jelly> hargut_: what kind of blob, kernel space
or user space?
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1356 [10:26:36] <jelly> if it's a kernel driver it's
unlikely to work. Also, Debian doesn't have any 4.4 kernels
right now
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1359 [10:26:56] <vjacob> Hello! :-) if I have renamed my volume
group name using `vgrename´ and I have rebooted without
running a succesful `update-grub2´ command, and I am now at a
`(initramfs)´ boot prompt, would it be possible for me to give
the correct volume group name and make the boot succeed in finding
the partitions that it will need?
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1388 [10:35:35] <pink_vampire> hi
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1390 [10:36:16] <beckor> hi, somebody knows a tool that shows the
top UDP talkers? IPTraf only shows the top TCP talkers... :-/
1391 [10:36:41] <pink_vampire> i have a computer with 2 parallel
ports but non of them show in lspci
1392 [10:37:20] <pink_vampire> any idea how to find the address of
each one??
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1401 [10:39:35] <gahan> is there any way to configure a specific
package so it doesn't receive configuration updates upon
upgrades? Recently upgraded nginx and it replaced
/usr/share/nginx/html/ files with new version -- would like to stop
that if possible?
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1425 [10:51:03] <fiacha> jelly: I found the problem. The upgrade
installed a newer kernel (3.17.36, seen with apt-cache policy
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 ) while DO forces loading of an older one
(3.17.25). I changed sources and then explicitly installed the
version matching the one that DO tries to load ( aptitude install
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64=3.16.7-ckt25-2 ) and it worked :)
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1427 [10:51:56] <fiacha> I saw the kernal DO loads on the DO
control panel in the kernel menu
1428 [10:52:26] <fiacha> I wrote the answer in the ticket and hope
to remember it next time that I will (probably) run into this
problem again
1429 [10:52:29] <mkollaro> the seafile package depends on libssl
1.0.0 while debian testing has only 1.0.2 - I suspect it would
actually work with 1.0.2, is there some way I could fool the
package? I'm a bit afraid of using -f
1430 [10:53:00] <fiacha> Thanks for the help!
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1455 [11:06:21] <jelly> fia... oh
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1479 [11:15:57] <jusss> I have a high dpi screen, that make text
so small for me, is there a good way to solve that?
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1486 [11:17:39] <vjacob> anyone experience with solving boot
issues related to LVM?
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1497 [11:20:29] <svisor> recently I upgraded some packages on
debian machine, courier IMAP service stopped working properly, I
tried to remove and reinstall courier packages, but now am facing
this problem
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1512 [11:25:27] <Iridos> this is wheezy?
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1514 [11:26:01] <svisor> Iridos yes
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1520 [11:26:48] <rickshot-k> hi, I don't know the first
Debian gnu login, root ? and what's the password ? please ...
1521 [11:27:08] <alwyn> Hi! Is there a way to check if a package
upgrade would trigger a service restart?
1522 [11:27:20] <nkuttler> rickshot-k: there is no default
password, ask whoever installed the os
1523 [11:27:21] <alwyn> I'm trying apt-get -s upgrade but
only see Inst and Conf
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1528 [11:28:44] <rickshot-k> nkuttler : I tried "none"
no success "ENTER" no success, what is it, please ?
1529 [11:28:55] <nkuttler> rickshot-k: there is no default
password, ask whoever installed the os
1530 [11:29:12] <nkuttler> !tell rickshot-k about i forgot
root's password
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1536 [11:31:20] <Iridos> svisor, my guess is that you have some
non-debian packages… or maybe packages from different
versions of debian… what packates does this show? dpkg -S
stop-bootlogd rmnologin
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1538 [11:31:50] <Iridos> and when you know the packages, what
versions does dpkg -l packagename show?
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1541 [11:32:39] <svisor>
replaced-url
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1545 [11:33:34] <Iridos> so what does dpkg -l initscripts say?
1546 [11:33:39] <Iridos> judd, versions initscripts
1547 [11:33:40] <judd> Package: initscripts on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.88dsf-41+deb7u1; jessie: 2.88dsf-59; sid: 2.88dsf-59.8; stretch:
2.88dsf-59.8
1548 [11:34:14] <svisor> initscripts 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1 amd64
scripts for initializing and shutting down the system
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1556 [11:38:02] <svisor> Iridos but this is really old machine,
original installation was Debian lenny
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1562 [11:41:21] <Iridos> well, it's the correct
version… should be ok
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1565 [11:42:09] <Iridos> I wonder if the init scripts are treated
as config files
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1576 [11:42:38] <Iridos> you could try re-installing the
initscripts package
1577 [11:42:43] <Iridos> but I don't really see the point
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1583 [11:43:08] <Iridos> well, except someone manually edited
things
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1655 [11:44:59] <__marco> Hello. I wanted to run memtest but I get
a blank screen and a beep. Do you what can cause this?
1656 [11:44:59] <svisor> Iridos I'll try it, how to reinstall
it? I'm not very experienced in debian package management
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1700 [11:49:14] <Iridos> svisor, apt-get install --reinstall
initscripts … but I doubt it'll do anything
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1706 [11:49:43] <Cypris> Debian Jessie, Brother HL2130, CUPS, USB
printers are not showing up.. any ideas? (I asked in cups but no one
responded)
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1713 [11:51:29] <svisor> Iridos reinstalling throws the same error
messages about loop
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1751 [12:07:25] <svisor> Iridos is this a bad idea?
"11:27.14aquariusI've fixed this by removing rmnologin
from Required-Start in /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd, but I'm not
at all clear whether that's the right thing to do."
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1769 [12:12:08] <Iridos> svisor, dunno. I might have done the same
but felt the same about it… I guess the "right"
thing to do would be to compare against a working wheezy system and
see why there is a dependency loop in one and not in the other
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1779 [12:14:04] <Iridos> svisor, the other right thing to do would
be to upgrade to jessie (after applying some kind of fix)
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1783 [12:14:31] <rendar> can i remove systemd but keeping
network-manager? why if i do apt-get remove systemd it removes ALSO
network-manager?!
1784 [12:14:39] <svisor> I am planning to migrate whole machine on
new system
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1787 [12:16:03] <km0201> probably because network-manager depends
on systemd?
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1790 [12:16:24] <km0201> maybe you could install wicd does it
require systemd?
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1792 [12:16:36] <km0201> (i don't think wicd requires nm)
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1794 [12:17:12] <Iridos> actually, it depends on libsystemd0
1795 [12:17:21] <Iridos> and on libpam-systemd
1796 [12:17:28] <km0201> well, there goes that idea.. :)
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1798 [12:17:31] <km0201> i was just guessing
1799 [12:17:48] <Iridos> and probably on some other things like
policykit-1 which I suspect might have dependencies on systemd
1800 [12:17:55] <km0201> true
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1815 [12:23:15] <doublehp> ntp is not installed, but my clock
remains perfectly sync; which other service could keep RTC sync ?
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1827 [12:29:56] <Ke> doublehp: systemd-timesyncd, chrony,
openntpd...
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1829 [12:31:03] <doublehp> Ke i have none of those
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1831 [12:31:38] <nyuszika7h> is there a way to downgrade all
backports packages to stable after an accidental upgrade without apt
pins?
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1841 [12:34:13] <at0m> !downgrade
1842 [12:34:13] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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1847 [12:34:52] <Ke> doublehp: if all else fails, setup a
netfilter rule with log target
1848 [12:35:24] <Ke> or use stap for even more specific info
1849 [12:35:32] <doublehp> Ke my system is sync; but i can't
find which daemon holds it
1850 [12:36:01] <Ke> yes, netfilter logging should be able to tell
you
1851 [12:36:05] <doublehp> stap ?
1852 [12:36:10] <Ke> systemtap
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1856 [12:37:50] <GlitterPony5000> guys is it just me or is like,
Debian, the best distro in the world?
1857 [12:37:56] <GlitterPony5000> #just saying
1858 [12:38:07] <GlitterPony5000> for example
1859 [12:38:29] <GlitterPony5000> distrowatch shows popularity
from 1-100, top 3 including and in order
1860 [12:38:40] <GlitterPony5000> Mint, Debian, Ubuntu
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1862 [12:38:52] <GlitterPony5000> Mint based off Ubuntu which is
based on Debian
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1864 [12:39:00] <GlitterPony5000> so like...
1865 [12:39:02] <GlitterPony5000> xD
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1878 [12:41:39] <hargut_> jelly, Sorry for the late reaction. Its
a user space blob, no special kernel drivers required.
1879 [12:42:03] <hargut_> Some kind of python binary.
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1886 [12:44:07] <hargut_> GlitterPony5000, Debian is definitely
the worlds best distro. ;) But it strongly depends on the use case,
as Debian is not best for any purpose. Sometime Apline, Gentoo, or
Arch, CentOS, RedHat or some other might be a better choice. :D
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1911 [12:54:32] <nyuszika7h> okay I think I fixed it, but aptitude
says "302 not upgraded" even with "aptitude
full-upgrade". is that normal?
1912 [12:54:55] <nyuszika7h>
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1913 [12:55:08] <nyuszika7h> er
1914 [12:55:10] <nyuszika7h> wrong channel
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1931 [13:01:45] <new-nick> There is Ice weasel and Fire fox ESR
exists on repository
1932 [13:01:51] <new-nick> Any explanation please?
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1936 [13:02:28] <new-nick> Since Ice weasel is rebranded of
firefox, I wonder why there is firefox package too resides with
repository?
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1938 [13:02:49] <SynrGy> new-nick: because firefox is un-rebranded
iceweasel
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1940 [13:03:02] <missmbob> iceweasel came to be because mozilla
was being dumb about allowing us to use their trademark. they
changed their minds recently. so we got firefox
1941 [13:03:06] <TomTomTo1> legal issues resolved, debian switched
to regular brand firefox, iceweasel is just a transitional package
for legacy reasons.
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1944 [13:04:18] <TomTomTo1> the iceweasel package pulls
firefox-esr
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1949 [13:04:49] <cosmos_> which is lesser maintained and more
unsecure as the regular Firefox?
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1951 [13:05:25] <TomTomTo1> no, it's just an empty package.
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1954 [13:05:51] <new-nick> Oh, thanks all for your explanation.
Just been wondering about these issues.
1955 [13:06:13] <new-nick> And good to learn that Mozilla has
lifted the ban of using Firefox :)
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1961 [13:07:43] <TomTomTo1> well, not completely empty, it creates
a symlink from /usr/bin/iceweasel to firefox-esr. just so packages,
that depend on iceweasel don't break.
1962 [13:08:01] <new-nick> Is it recommend to use GNU Ice cat over
Ice weasel/firefox esr by Debian community
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1964 [13:08:44] <TomTomTo1> recommended is what's packaged in
debian.
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1968 [13:09:47] <Ke> is icecat even packaged?
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1972 [13:10:34] <TomTomTo1> no, but you can get a binary tarball
from gnu.org
1973 [13:10:37] <missmbob> no. that's why his answer made
sense
1974 [13:10:39] <new-nick> I believe isn't not packaged. but
using it
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1976 [13:11:34] <new-nick> Ice cat has few issues I am facing. so
just discussing here to switch back.
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1983 [13:13:21] <SynrGy> cosmos: firefox-esr is not the empty
package; iceweasel is. less secure and maintained? i think you
misunderstand what ESR means. it's "extended support
release", i.e. you don't get new features, but you do get
up-to-date security.
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1986 [13:14:22] <SynrGy> so, less chance that it will break when
it is upgraded due to some new feature introducing new bugs. it is
what you install when you want the most stable version of firefox.
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1990 [13:15:47] <SynrGy> (and yeah, iceweasel is "not
completely empty" as per above)
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1992 [13:16:52] <cosmos> SynrGy: read their ESR page, this info
comes from their
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1994 [13:18:12] <SynrGy> cosmos: notwithstanding, the debian
mozilla maintainers will backport and apply patches as needed.
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1996 [13:19:11] <SynrGy> cosmos: if by "more secure" you
mean "introduces new security features" then yes, newer
firefox releases would do that (but also potentially more bugs)
1997 [13:19:34] <cosmos> i thought that too
1998 [13:20:32] <SynrGy> the internet tends to enforce new
security regimes slow enough so that we get a new esr release before
it becomes an issue.
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2000 [13:20:58] <SynrGy> so as a rule of thumb, you can count on
the debian firefox-esr to be "current enough" to give you
industry best-practice security
2001 [13:21:03] <Iridos> I don't think mozilla writes
anywhere "and we give only crappy security support for
firefox-esr"
2002 [13:21:18] <SynrGy> me neither. i'd be interested to see
where that's written, exactly.
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2004 [13:21:44] <Iridos> [citation needed]
2005 [13:21:48] <SynrGy> ^^
2006 [13:22:15] <cosmos>
replaced-url
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2009 [13:23:23] <Iridos> the bit they don't say is about all
those new shiny security bugs they put in with new features
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2017 [13:25:10] <SynrGy> it's this cover-your-ass statement,
i think: "Over time the ESR will be less secure than the
regular release of Firefox, as new functionality will not be added
at the same pace as Firefox, and only high-risk/impact security
patches will be backported." and the key phrase is "over
time". so if the Internet implements a new security regime
which is "better" than the old one, ESR won't track
it. this
2018 [13:25:16] <SynrGy> basically restates all i said above.
2019 [13:25:29] <TomTomTo1> well, there is mozilla.debian.net if
you want the current firefox release. but the debian mozilla team
does a great job with testing and maintaining firefox-esr.
2020 [13:25:39] <SynrGy> i.e. you won't get "new
security features" but the old ones continue to work fine.
2021 [13:26:04] <SynrGy> "less secure" is relative. ESR
still addresses the "high-risk" issues, and that's
good enough for your average user of stable.
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2023 [13:26:15] <cosmos> i see
2024 [13:26:27] <cosmos> thanks a lot
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2032 [13:29:01] <SynrGy> cosmos: also, when you read that risks
list, don't forget that there are risks to tracking latest
releases, too (as i mentioned before, i.e. introduction of new bugs
with new features). so let's say your "more secure"
new security feature, which has had fewer years in the field has a
zero-day against it. ESR would be immune to that.
2033 [13:29:36] <SynrGy> or it might not even be a new security
feature, just a new feature, period.
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2036 [13:30:34] <Sar_S> hi
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2038 [13:31:41] <i11ega1Code> i can't update my vps server
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2043 [13:34:18] <jelly> i11ega1Code: which debian release? How
does apt/aptitude fail?
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2045 [13:34:21] <jelly> !bat
2046 [13:34:21] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2063 [13:44:11] <simbalion`> Hi, how do I force apt-get upgrade to
use the default answer when it asks questions about new
configuration files?
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2066 [13:44:45] <jelly> dpkg, tell simbalion` about confold
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2069 [13:45:34] <Iridos> that must be a fold along another fold
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2072 [13:46:26] <jelly> also /msg dpkg confdef, /msg dpkg confnew
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2074 [13:48:11] <simbalion`> okay but I didn't ask about dpkg
I asked about apt-get upgrade, will that command work the same? This
is for a system update cronjob
2075 [13:48:34] <svisor> Iridos I forgot to thank you for your
time, It seems that little hack with removing rmnologin helped, at
least courier-imap is running now, hope it holds to migration :)
2076 [13:48:44] <jelly> simbalion`: dpkg here is an irc bot that
sent you a private message.
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2078 [13:49:34] <jelly> if you read the whole of that private
message, your question should be answered
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2080 [13:49:36] <simbalion`> ah I had to read the /msg twice to
see the meat. apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confold"
upgrade
2081 [13:50:01] <jelly> consider using
2082 [13:50:05] <jelly> !unattended-upgrades
2083 [13:50:06] <dpkg> methinks unattended-upgrades is a package
for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See
replaced-url
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2087 [13:51:32] <i11ega1Code> jelly 8.5 jessie
2088 [13:51:37] <i11ega1Code> minimal
2089 [13:51:40] <i11ega1Code> vps
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2091 [13:51:44] <simbalion`> jelly: I'll take a look at that
thanks
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2094 [13:52:56] <i11ega1Code> jelly:
replaced-url
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2096 [13:53:40] <i11ega1Code> jelly: policy comming up
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2098 [13:54:02] <i11ega1Code> all in one:
replaced-url
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2101 [13:54:28] <jelly> i11ega1Code: looks like you have network
connectivity issues
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2103 [13:54:40] <i11ega1Code> i am connected with ssh
2104 [13:55:07] <jelly> but your outbound connections to relevant
mirrors don't work
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2109 [13:55:44] <i11ega1Code> what can i do?
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2111 [13:56:20] <jelly> analyze the cause and fix your network
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2113 [13:56:43] <i11ega1Code> can you throw some commandos at me?
2114 [13:56:45] <i11ega1Code> amigo
2115 [13:56:48] <jelly> i11ega1Code: "telnet
security.debian.org 80"
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2117 [13:57:00] <jelly> i11ega1Code: "ip r", "ip
a"
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2120 [13:58:20] <i11ega1Code> since its a minimal install i have
to install packages such as telnet: Install these packages without
verification? [y/N] n
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2131 [14:00:41] <jelly> i11ega1Code: and that won't work. You
got wget or curl instead?
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2145 [14:06:10] <i11ega1Code> wget is installed jelly
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2147 [14:06:28] <jelly> so try that instead of telnet
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2152 [14:09:04] <i11ega1Code> wget security.debian.org 80
2153 [14:09:07] <i11ega1Code> wget security.debian.org 80?
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2159 [14:12:25] <i11ega1Code> jelly
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2163 [14:14:56] <TomTomTo1> 80 is already the default http port,
you don't need to specify when using wget. just testing it on
your own would be the fastest way to find out, though :P
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2170 [14:17:35] <g00se1> nss_util.cc is mentioned in stderr when i
try to run chromium-browser in wheezy, yet i can't find that
file in any apt-file search. Why would i not be able to do so?
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2173 [14:17:54] <i11ega1Code> TomTomTo1 i remember last time i had
same issue, a reinstall did actually help
2174 [14:18:12] <BinBasher> upon resolving of aptitude upgrade, it
suggests I remove said packages: libegl1-nvidia{u}
libgles1-nvidia{u} libgles2-nvidia{u} what does the {u} mean? that
it's about to be uninstalled or that it is already uninstalled?
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2178 [14:21:25] <TomTomTo1> i11ega1Code: that may be. i'd
rather check the usual suspects first before considering nuking a
system. check if you have broken iptables rules (root) iptables -S
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2183 [14:22:07] <TomTomTo1> i11ega1Code: also check if you have
configured a proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
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2186 [14:22:54] <i11ega1Code> ls /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
2187 [14:22:54] <i11ega1Code> 01autoremove 01autoremove-kernels
70debconf
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2189 [14:23:37] <i11ega1Code> it might be iptables
2190 [14:23:38] <i11ega1Code>
replaced-url
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2210 [14:31:34] <i11ega1Code> how do i open port 80 in iptables on
debian jessie?
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2213 [14:32:54] <TomTomTo1> now it would be interesting to know,
if wget security.debian.org worked...
2214 [14:33:09] <i11ega1Code> it didn't
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2218 [14:34:36] <TomTomTo1> alright. i fail at networking and
iptables. you will have to wait for someone more competent.
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2224 [14:37:33] <jelly> i11ega1Code: you drop output traffic in
iptables, of course updates don't work
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2227 [14:37:55] <jelly> allow oubound tcp port 80, for a start
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2230 [14:38:49] <i11ega1Code> how
2231 [14:38:55] <pdo_fn14> Hello, where's xrdp-sesman.service
in jessie?.
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2233 [14:39:09] <han-solo> use iptables
2234 [14:39:10] <i11ega1Code> jelly: how? :)
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2238 [14:40:58] <jelly> i11ega1Code: how did you set the current
rules?
2239 [14:41:30] <i11ega1Code> i didn't
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2241 [14:41:41] <i11ega1Code> it was there from the start, or it
must have done that it self
2242 [14:41:59] <i11ega1Code> can you not just tell me how its
done? :)
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2245 [14:43:17] <jelly> I can tell you how to do it right now but
you still need to figure out which script or wrapper or package your
system is using to set up the existing rule set
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2248 [14:43:45] <jelly> otherwise the changes won't be
permanent
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2260 [14:49:18] <i11ega1Code> what can i do jelly?
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2268 [14:53:05] <han-solo> did you try googling it?
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2273 [14:56:39] <jelly> i11ega1Code: dunno, grep -R iptables
/etc/init.d /{etc,lib}/systemd
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2283 [15:00:55] <i11ega1Code> jelly:
replaced-url
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2287 [15:01:52] <jelly> nothing in there
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2289 [15:02:24] <jelly> i11ega1Code: ask whoever set up your local
fireweall, or hire an admin to find out where your iptables are
configured
2290 [15:02:55] <jelly> maybe grep -R the whole of /etc
2291 [15:02:56] <i11ega1Code> hire an admin? lol
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2294 [15:03:18] <han-solo> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j
ACCEPT?
2295 [15:03:23] <jelly> yes, imagine that, people sometimes like
to be paid to manage other's messy systems
2296 [15:03:52] <jelly> probably -m tcp before -p tcp
2297 [15:04:08] <han-solo> yeah
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2299 [15:04:19] <jelly> and OUTPUT not INPUT
2300 [15:04:54] <han-solo> er, outbound traffic
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2305 [15:05:47] <i11ega1Code> jelly: find / -name iptables-save
2306 [15:05:55] <i11ega1Code> /sbin/iptables-save
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2308 [15:06:43] <i11ega1Code> jelly, i like to figure out and fix
it my self with your guys help
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2315 [15:10:06] <ecksun> I would like to list (to download) all
packages in a repository by URL, could you recommend the best
approach for me to take?
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2319 [15:12:09] <i11ega1Code> where are iptables located in
jessie? (minimal)
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2335 [15:18:05] <CtrlC> is there any way to have LXD on debian?
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2337 [15:18:16] <CtrlC> There doesn't seem to be any packages
for it.
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2372 [15:33:47] <CtrlC> No one?
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2376 [15:36:06] <GlitterPony5000> CtrlC ofcourse you can!
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2379 [15:36:38] <CtrlC> GlitterPony5000, decent ways I mean.
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2383 [15:37:56] <GlitterPony5000> CtrlC have you looked at github?
2384 [15:37:57] <GlitterPony5000>
replaced-url
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2390 [15:39:00] <GlitterPony5000> "LXD upstream isn't
doing packaging, we just push out upstream tarballs."
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2403 [15:44:49] <CtrlC> GlitterPony5000, thanks.
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2406 [15:45:02] <CtrlC> I don't know why I didn't see
that issue.
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2422 [15:49:48] <jhutchins> CtrlC: Pretty much any OS package that
runs on Linux can be installed from the source code on Debian.
2423 [15:50:38] <CtrlC> yeah but it's not the best way to do
it, jhutchins
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2425 [15:51:04] <alwyn> CtrlC: did you look for LXD on backports?
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2428 [15:51:29] <CtrlC> alwyn, wiki says there's no packaging
for debian at all.
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2439 [15:54:05] <alwyn> CtrlC:
replaced-url
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2444 [15:55:15] <CtrlC> alwyn, I don't see how that's
debian related.
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2446 [15:55:50] <alwyn> You can install a PPA's in debian
2447 [15:55:54] <alwyn> -a
2448 [15:56:34] <alwyn> Also see
replaced-url
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2451 [15:57:29] <CtrlC> well, I guess installing from source will
be a better idea.
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2453 [15:57:32] <TomTomTo1> don't use repositories from
different distributions, it will likely break your system.
2454 [15:57:39] <CtrlC> yup.
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2456 [15:58:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> this isn't *from* a
different distribution, though, but from a ppa… and one can
compile debian packages from the ppa src package
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2458 [15:59:08] <GlitterPony5000> idk CtrlC if you cant find a
reliable debian package
2459 [15:59:13] <GlitterPony5000> phaps that says something
2460 [15:59:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> although I'd say just build
it for your favorite way of using /usr/local outside the packaging
system
2461 [15:59:17] <GlitterPony5000> #just saying
2462 [15:59:29] <alwyn> Building it yourself is probably easiest,
yes.
2463 [15:59:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> anyway, lxc is packaged
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2465 [16:00:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> and there's at least
python-pylxd
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2467 [16:00:57] <TomTomTo1> CutMeOwnThroat: the ppa is called
ubuntu-lxc/lxd-git-master. i was referring to the github link.
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2469 [16:01:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, yeah, but that's
not from ubuntu, but some 3rd party building for ubuntu?
2470 [16:02:13] <TomTomTo1> does it make a difference?
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2473 [16:02:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> does it make a difference where
it's from? well… yes?
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2475 [16:03:37] <TomTomTo1> s/different distribution/something
that is not built for the system you are running/
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2482 [16:05:24] <jmcnaught> ,bug wnpp lxd
2483 [16:05:25] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2486 [16:05:38] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: ^^^ might have useful info too
2487 [16:05:55] <CtrlC> Thank you.
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2503 [16:13:40] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: also if you haven't looked
at it, check out libvirt-lxc which is a different implementation
than regular lxc and can be managed with libvirt. on jessie it also
integrates into systemd-machined (for what that's worth).
systemd-nspawn is also pretty cool, but still pretty basic in jessie
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2505 [16:14:24] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, I have no clue about what you
said. I'm just getting started with it.
2506 [16:14:40] <CtrlC> btw do you have any recommendation to get
started with?
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2510 [16:15:40] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: if you're just getting
started with containers, LXC and systemd-nspawn are both in Debian
and pretty easy to use, no compiling from source necessary
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2514 [16:16:10] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, I used docker before. It needs
to be lxd.
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2532 [16:19:45] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: the systemd container features
coming in stretch might have the docker-esque features you're
looking for
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2534 [16:20:17] <CtrlC> Thanks.
2535 [16:20:24] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: keep in mind that Docker is
'microservices', while LXC/LXD and systemd-nspawn are
system containers. My LXC setup uses an LVM thinpool as its storage
backend, so I can clone containers really quickly
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2540 [16:20:57] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, how to get started learning
though?
2541 [16:21:10] <alwyn> By doing!
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2543 [16:21:44] <jmcnaught> CtrlC:
replaced-url
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2547 [16:22:27] <CtrlC> Thanks.
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2553 [16:23:48] <jmcnaught> CtrlC:
replaced-url
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2558 [16:24:11] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, where's the lxd part?
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2561 [16:24:31] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: lxd isn't in
Debian… i'm presenting alternatives that are.
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2563 [16:24:45] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, It have to be lxd.
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2567 [16:27:30] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: judging from that ITP lxd will
not be in stretch, so you're committing yourself to managing an
lxd package yourself (including recompiling it for every security
upgrade). You could get involved on that ITP bug report above and
maybe help get the lxd package into stretch-backports.
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2570 [16:27:54] <jmcnaught> otherwise, you should probably pick a
solution that is in Debian, or use Ubuntu if lxd is a hard
requirement
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2576 [16:28:41] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, it's fine. The final
product will run on ubuntu. I just don't have an ubuntu system
for now. Just want to have something to start learning till later on
probably set up a ubuntu vps or something.
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2580 [16:28:55] <alwyn> Using Ubuntu is probably way easier,
especially considering LXD is coming from Canonical themselves.
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2584 [16:29:16] <CtrlC> I have debian on my desktop and all the
servers.
2585 [16:29:31] <alwyn> I guess make a virtual server for testing
on your desktop then?
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2587 [16:29:56] <CtrlC> resources problem. It's a mess over
here. A vps would be a lot easier.
2588 [16:30:23] <jmcnaught> well, lxd isn't the only option.
libvirt can manage lxc containers for example. and with
systemd-nspawn you can do stuff like "journalctl -M foo"
on the host to see foo container's logs.
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2590 [16:30:42] <CtrlC> tell that to my boss!
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2595 [16:31:44] <alwyn> I think that's your job :P
2596 [16:31:46] <jmcnaught> i guess your boss needs to understand
that using LXD means extra work switching to Ubuntu, extra work
managing updates on Debian and Ubuntu systemd going forward, and/or
extra work getting lxd on Debian.
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2598 [16:32:12] <jmcnaught> s/systemd/systems/
2599 [16:32:27] <CtrlC> The project is already on lxd. Really
switching would make things lot harder.
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2606 [16:33:52] <alwyn> It seems it's still very early stage
though?
2607 [16:34:15] <CtrlC> For this part, yeah.
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2611 [16:35:23] <CtrlC> Thanks a lot guys. very helpful.
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2613 [16:36:34] <alwyn> Good luck :)
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2725 [17:10:22] <mtex> I have a clean install (Kali 2.1.2 rolling,
Rpi 3) and update/upgrade fails due to bug #821161 (replaced-url
2726 [17:10:23] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2729 [17:10:53] <mtex> My output is "The following packages
have unmet dependencies: perl-modules-5.22 : Conflicts:
perl-modules"
2730 [17:11:39] <mtex> I cannot remove perl-modules ("Virtual
packages like 'perl-modules' can't be removed").
2731 [17:12:24] <th0r> kali on a raspberry pi. Explains why you
are here in #debian.
2732 [17:12:27] <mtex> If this is something I should be able to
figure out on my own, I would greatly appreciate someone pointing me
in the right direction
2733 [17:12:34] <mtex> It's debian based, and appears to be a
debian bug
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2736 [17:13:07] <mtex> Am I wrong to ask here? I was going to ask
on #kali-linux until I realized it might not be a kali specific bug.
2737 [17:13:22] <mtex> But if it needs to be fixed by Kali
packaging, then that's an answer to my question I suppose.
2738 [17:13:30] <towo`> if you use kali, all is kali specific
2739 [17:13:54] <towo`> debian does not provide kali support
2740 [17:13:54] <mtex> Alright, then. I'll check over there.
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2742 [17:14:23] <mtex> (I also figured that a conflict like that
might be a common issue with a known process)
2743 [17:14:26] <mtex> Okay, thank you anyway.
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2814 [17:27:37] <samouy> hello there ! I have a dell XPS13 9360
with QHD+ and I succeed to install a debian distro based on it . But
I have a problem, the screen rendering is really slow and not fluid
with the intel driver i915. Is anyone experienced it ?
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2823 [17:29:51] <mtn> samouy: what is the distro?
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2825 [17:30:34] <samouy> mtn, Kali linux
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2827 [17:30:41] <mtn> !kali
2828 [17:30:42] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2829 [17:31:32] <samouy> I thought it would be better to ask here
since its related to graphics drivers. My bad, sry !
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2872 [17:48:11] <CtrlC> Is it possible to run lxd setup in a
docker container?
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2931 [18:07:28] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: that doesn't make sense.
Docker is designed for single process containers.
2932 [18:07:43] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, so it won't work out?
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2935 [18:08:11] <CtrlC> debian 8 doesn't met all the
requirements to install lxd thought I can install something that
way.
2936 [18:08:21] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: it might be something you can
force, but you would not be using Docker the way it's intended
to be used.
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2941 [18:10:08] <jmcnaught> CtrlC: docker wants single app/process
per container. Docker *cannot* run systemd as init in containers.
People use other inits, or shoehorn bash to be the init process of a
Docker container if they need multiple processes in the container.
But really Docker is meant for 1 container for mysqld, 1 container
for httpd, 1 container for food etc
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2945 [18:10:36] <jmcnaught> it's not going to handle running
another container system inside a container very well. LXC on the
other hand can handle nested containers
2946 [18:10:51] <CtrlC> jmcnaught, thank you so much. I guess
I'll avoid it then.
2947 [18:10:58] <jmcnaught> (because it is designed for system
containers, not app containers)
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2998 [18:33:58] <_marioxcc_> Hello. I want to load Debian Live to
an USB flash memory. How can I keep using the extra space to store
files?.
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3000 [18:34:52] <greycat> Or, you could install Debian normally
onto the USB drive.
3001 [18:36:24] <_marioxcc_> greycat: Indeed, but how can it be
done with the standard live image?. I recall there was a way, but
the page that described it no longer exists.
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3004 [18:37:08] <_marioxcc_> It was this:
replaced-url
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3006 [18:37:16] <greycat> Intentionally making things harder?
Going out of your way to slap the name "standard" on these
really dodgy "live" images that you can't even use to
install on a UEFI system?
3007 [18:37:44] <greycat> I don't know what people's
fascination is with these images.
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3012 [18:38:43] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: the live documentation is
available as packages on a Debian system, or here:
replaced-url
3013 [18:39:04] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: Thanks.
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3016 [18:39:55] <_marioxcc_> greycat: Actually it is easy. Given
the page that jmcnaught provided, it is described here:
replaced-url
3017 [18:40:24] <greycat> Clearly you have your agenda, so good
luck.
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3019 [18:40:52] <_marioxcc_> greycat: Could you please describe
the problem with the live images?.
3020 [18:40:58] <greycat> !uefi live
3021 [18:40:58] <dpkg> Currently, UEFI support exists only in
Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do
not have support for UEFI boot. <replaced-url
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3025 [18:41:57] <_marioxcc_> greycat: What if my motherboard uses
classical BIOS?.
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3029 [18:42:18] <_marioxcc_> As in my case.
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3033 [18:43:21] <blawiz> why cant i watch this in palemoon or
vivaldi, but chrome works
replaced-url
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3035 [18:43:31] <blawiz> might be NSFW :S
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3037 [18:43:36] <blawiz> fuck sorry
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3039 [18:43:58] <blawiz> ah its not *phew* haha
3040 [18:44:00] <n4dir> _marioxcc_: both "refracta" and
"antix" (and probably more) distros do such. I don't
care for it, hence got no idea how, but you might ask them.
3041 [18:44:26] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: if you do a Debian install
to the USB stick, it will work on UEFI only computers. You also get
options like using full disk encryption and other features that the
debian-installer provides
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3043 [18:44:58] <jmcnaught> blawiz: you'd probably need to
ask the palemoon and/or vivaldi people, since neither browser is in
Debian
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3047 [18:46:57] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: Ok. Why does it work only
for UEFI?.
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3049 [18:47:13] <_marioxcc_> Also, is there any shortcoming of
using the live installer as opposed to the classical (non-live)
installer?.
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3052 [18:47:53] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: live only supports BIOS
booting. regular installer supports BIOS and UEFI.
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3054 [18:48:14] <jmcnaught> regular installer also supports doing
LVM and luks encryption
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3059 [18:49:56] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: I just checked with the
8.6.0 live installer in a virtual machine and it supports LVM. I
don't know for encryption. I have never used filesystem-level
encryption.
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3065 [18:50:41] <missmbob> it's not actually
filesystem-level...even thought ext4 supports encryption. but
that's a different story
3066 [18:50:44] <_marioxcc_> Actually I think (I'm not sure)
that it includes "debian-installer" (the text-based one),
though I used the graphical installer after booting live.
3067 [18:50:50] <missmbob> though*
3068 [18:51:00] <blawiz> jmcnaught: ah ye, hmm ff is very similar
to palemoon, but ye :/
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3070 [18:51:34] <jmcnaught> blawiz: do you have the same problem
in firefox-esr or chromium?
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3072 [18:51:52] <blawiz> jmcnaught: dont have ff, so havent teste
3073 [18:52:03] <_marioxcc_> missmbob: You are right.
*block-device level.
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3075 [18:52:28] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: are you talking about
using the installer on a system booted with the live disk, or does
the live-build system support LVM?
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3077 [18:52:56] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: i'm talking about the
option of using LVM *on* the USB disk that you'll be booting
from
3078 [18:53:08] <blawiz> oh i had ff, and it works, hmm
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3081 [18:53:49] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: I am talking about using
the installer in a system installed _with_ the live image, not the
live system itself.
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3083 [18:54:06] <jmcnaught> blawiz: i'm very skeptical that
the palemoon team is able to keep up with mozilla features wise, and
especially security wise
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3085 [18:55:03] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: Ok, I get what you mean.
3086 [18:55:24] <_marioxcc_> Yes, if one needs such thing, I guess
performing a standard install into the USB flash stick is better.
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3088 [18:55:46] <blawiz> jmcnaught: hmm
3089 [18:55:55] <_marioxcc_> But I only want it for emergency
boot/repair.
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3092 [18:56:22] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: it would be good to have
an emergency boot/repair stick that works for both UEFI and BIOS
systems, no?
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3095 [18:57:39] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: Yes, right. So, does the
live CD does not boot with UEFI?.
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3097 [18:58:22] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: correct. Debian live disks
do not boot with UEFI, meaning they cannot install grub-efi, cannot
install Debian in EFI mode, cannot repair EFI boot etc.
3098 [18:58:55] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: Ok. How do I build a
rescue USB flash memory that works with UEFI?.
3099 [18:59:01] <n4dir> if all you want is a boot/repair system i
see no reason why it must be pure debian.
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3102 [18:59:57] <_marioxcc_> n4dir: It's my preferred
distribution. And most Live CD-oriented distributions contain
proprietary software, which I avoid.
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3104 [19:00:26] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: the original suggestion 20
minutes ago. Do a regular Debian install, install on the USB stick
instead of an internal harddrive (so you need two usb sticks, one
for installer image, the other is the target)
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3107 [19:00:46] <n4dir> refracta sure doesn't. And, like
said, debian live has it's disadvantages.
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3109 [19:01:29] <greycat> jmcnaught: or boot the installer from a
CD
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3114 [19:02:53] <_marioxcc_> greycat: I have no CDs here.
3115 [19:03:25] <_marioxcc_> n4dir: Ok. I will take a look if
using Debian proves too inconvenient.
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3118 [19:03:40] <jelly> where's that factoid
3119 [19:03:50] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: will a regular Debian
install on the USB stick boot with both UEFI and BIOS?.
3120 [19:03:52] <jelly> !rube goldberg install
3121 [19:03:52] <dpkg> "Hi! I want to install Debian with a
4.10 kernel on my microwave, but I can't boot from floppies,
and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I
have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait,
the card reader just fell on the floor and broke."
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3126 [19:04:59] <_marioxcc_> jelly: haha.
3127 [19:05:02] <greycat> dpkg, rube goldberg install =~
s/Debian/Debian sarge/
3128 [19:05:02] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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3133 [19:05:45] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: if the debian-installer
boots in UEFI mode, then it installs grub-efi. If it boots in bios
mode, it installs grub-pc (the bios one)
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3135 [19:06:27] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: How do I make it work with
both?
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3141 [19:08:58] <jmcnaught> _marioxcc_: i've got to go, but
there is a lot of information here:
replaced-url
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3156 [19:13:15] <_marioxcc_> jmcnaught: Ok, thanks.
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3198 [19:33:46] <Delf> I'm on Stable. Suppose I want to
install mumble-server from Testing, how do I do? Download the deb
files one by one and use dpkg -i *.deb?
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3202 [19:34:28] <greycat> If there is a backport, use it. If a
backport can be created, create it. Otherwise, build from upstream
(non packaged) source.
3203 [19:34:37] <greycat> NEVER mix testing and stable sources.
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3207 [19:35:23] <Delf> greycat: I'm not good at building from
source. I don't know to remove stuff built and installed from
source. There's no backport for it
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3211 [19:36:09] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport mumble-server
3212 [19:36:12] <judd> Backporting package mumble-server in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie, virtual.
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3214 [19:36:23] <nkuttler> !tell Delf about ssbp
3215 [19:36:24] <greycat> ,v mumble-server
3216 [19:36:25] <judd> Package: mumble-server on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; wheezy:
1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u2; jessie: 1.2.8-2; stretch: 1.2.17-1;
sid: 1.2.17-1
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3255 [19:47:49] <Delf> "gpgv: keyblock resource
`/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': file open error"?
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3258 [19:48:52] <Delf> There seems to be conflicts and unmet
dependencies, nkuttler. I can't do what dpkg told me @ src
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3265 [19:52:06] <wiking> is there any way i could pass a multiline
changelog to dch in batch mode?
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3267 [19:52:50] <oaps> hello.
3268 [19:53:40] <oaps> can i unmount /boot without any ill effects
other than the obvious ones (installing new kernels or modifying the
initrd or grub settings won't work) ?
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3271 [19:54:07] <oaps> is there anything that needs to access the
System.map or config files during normal operation?
3272 [19:54:18] <greycat> oaps: building kernel modules, and so on
3273 [19:54:23] <oaps> right, that too.
3274 [19:54:59] <oaps> wait, why building kernel modules?
doesn't that just need the kernel source?
3275 [19:55:34] <greycat> Well, it uses the kernel-headers package
for sure. I'm not certain about stuff in /boot.
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3278 [19:55:53] <greycat> But when you install it, you'll
almost certainly need /boot mounted to rebuild the initramfs thing.
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3283 [19:56:29] <oaps> but only if i want the module available
before mounting /, right?
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3285 [19:56:56] <greycat> Installing anything that touches the
kernel in any way will prompt a rebuild of the initramfs and/or a
grub update.
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3290 [19:57:32] <oaps> the reason i'm asking is that i'd
like to install /boot on removable media (sd card or usb stick) that
i just need to have plugged in when booting, and then / is on an
encrypted disk.
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3293 [19:57:55] <oaps> and then i'd have to plug it in again
when doing kernel-related upgrades, of course.
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3295 [19:58:19] <nkuttler> Delf: paste.debian.net the commands you
run and the output
3296 [19:58:24] <i11ega1Code> how important is iptables?
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3298 [19:58:27] <greycat> I suspect it will work, but I'm not
100% sure.
3299 [19:58:29] <i11ega1Code> when running a server
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3302 [19:58:55] <nkuttler> i11ega1Code: there is no objective
answer to that
3303 [19:58:56] <greycat> i11ega1Code: Totally depends on what you
want to do with the server. In the most common cases, you don't
need it.
3304 [19:59:23] <i11ega1Code> i wanna run a znc and a tor relay
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3307 [19:59:49] <i11ega1Code> mid relay
3308 [19:59:54] <i11ega1Code> i have ferm enabled
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3311 [20:00:55] <oaps> ferm uses iptables.
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3313 [20:01:07] <oaps> and you can't uninstall iptables
anyway, it's in the kernel.
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3319 [20:02:56] <oaps> greycat: i suppose i could just unmount
/boot on my normal computer and see if anything complains.
3320 [20:03:39] <greycat> iptables is a userspace package as well
as a set of kernel modules. The userspace package can be
uninstalled.
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3323 [20:03:54] <greycat> (Well, in theory. It is marked as
"important".)
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3339 [20:09:16] <i11ega1Code> well, i am going to fix this some
how, thanks
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3342 [20:10:06] <xyan> does anyone have an idea how to get
multimedia keys working again. previously xev reported some XF86*
bindings but that stopped working right now
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3377 [20:26:49] <kion> Hello, what is the right way to install
Cinelerra in Jessie?
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3391 [20:30:27] <Delf> nkuttler:
replaced-url
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3393 [20:30:44] <Delf> It seems it picked mumble instead of
mumble-server. It's not the client I want, it's the
server.
3394 [20:31:28] <nkuttler> ,v libzeroc-ice-dev
3395 [20:31:29] <judd> Package: libzeroc-ice-dev on amd64 -- sid:
3.6.3-2; stretch: 3.6.3-2
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3400 [20:31:57] <nkuttler> Delf: yeah, try the package you
actually want
3401 [20:33:01] <Delf> nkuttler: I did?
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3403 [20:33:22] <Delf> I don't know why it picks mumble
instead of mumble-server
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3411 [20:34:14] <nkuttler> Delf: ah, same source package
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3418 [20:36:53] <nkuttler> Delf: i guess -b might try to build
server + client
3419 [20:37:28] <nkuttler> Delf: if you check the src dir, there
is debian/rules which should list the build targets
3420 [20:38:02] <nkuttler> Delf: you can build the package with
fakeroot debian/rules <target>..
3421 [20:38:15] <nkuttler> not sure why the bot said all build
deps are satisfied though
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3459 [20:53:40] <Delf> It's getting smarter. It has learned
to lie! :)
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3474 [21:02:27] <IAmHowardRoark> Hello, when running apt-get
update, i'm getting an "Ignoring Provides line with
DepCompareOp for package ....." and it lists about 15 packages.
I tried running apt-get update again, but same error persists. Any
ideas?
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3480 [21:05:49] <_marioxcc_> Hello.
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3482 [21:05:51] <nicehsz> try apt-get --help
3483 [21:06:09] <nicehsz> hi _marioxcc_
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3485 [21:06:28] <_marioxcc_> I want to boot the debian installer
from the hard disk. I am following
replaced-url
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3491 [21:08:27] <i11ega1Code> hi i got a problem with ferm: please
help
replaced-url
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3501 [21:12:10] <smeert> hey
3502 [21:12:26] <smeert> Im having some weird issues here
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3504 [21:12:47] <smeert> im making a script here with nothing
special few if's and variable settings etch
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3517 [21:15:14] <smeert> it did work alright. im using #!/bin/sh -
and i was having if statements with double brackets. now they
stopped working
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3519 [21:15:22] <smeert> and now its even complaining about read
-n. why?
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3543 [21:24:14] <smeert> and now its even complaining about read
-n. why?
3544 [21:24:16] <smeert> oops
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3588 [21:40:58] <jhutchins> smeert: Are you using bash features in
sh?
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3590 [21:41:33] <greycat> Oh god, he came *here*?
3591 [21:41:50] <LostSoul> Hi
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3593 [21:42:04] <LostSoul> What can be reason that user don't
see all processes on system (by ps aux)?
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3596 [21:42:27] <greycat> Security stuff. SElinux or something.
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3599 [21:43:12] <LostSoul> Damn, I don't know how to turn it
off
3600 [21:43:17] <LostSoul> So that my nagios can work properly
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3605 [21:45:37] <greycat> LostSoul: are you sure this is not
Ubuntu?
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3610 [21:47:10] * greycat finds an askubuntu URL with the same question
and nothing but wrong answers
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3613 [21:48:24] <greycat> Here's an inverted form of the
question:
replaced-url
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3615 [21:48:33] <greycat> Did you put something in /etc/fstab for
/proc?
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3640 [21:49:18] <LostSoul> Hmm, nope greycat
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3646 [21:49:48] <greycat> LostSoul: what does "mount | grep
/proc"
3647 [21:49:51] <greycat> say?
3648 [21:49:52] <LostSoul> This is debian
3649 [21:50:07] <LostSoul> proc on /proc type proc
(rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
3650 [21:50:18] <greycat> Hmm, that's the same as mine.
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3657 [21:51:08] <LostSoul> Any idea? Tip? :)
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3659 [21:52:42] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3663 [21:54:26] <LostSoul> I saw some on grsecurity but damn, I
don;t know selinux
3664 [21:54:31] <LostSoul> And I don't know how to manage it
3665 [21:54:34] <LostSoul> Thanks anyway greycat
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3671 [21:58:00] <smeert> jhutchins: maybe?
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3687 [22:03:30] <greycat> grsecurity thingy:
replaced-url
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3689 [22:04:09] <LostSoul> Yeah, I've found this one greycat,
but I still don't know how to adjust it
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3693 [22:05:13] <greycat> I guess... these are kernel
configuration lines? So they're built into your kernel, or not.
grep GRK /boot/config-*
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3696 [22:05:55] <greycat> If you don't see it there, then I
guess you can -prune the grsecurity path and focus on "some
SElinux thing" or "some kind of override of /proc mount
options that magically are not showing up in mount(8) output".
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3698 [22:07:55] <greycat> Or attacking from the other direction:
what did you CHANGE on this system that made it stop acting normal?
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3706 [22:10:28] <gebruiker> jessie seems so attractive to
dist-upgrade to
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3717 [22:13:14] <n-st> hi, i just accidentally nuked the mbr of my
main disk (dd and quick fingers…)
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3719 [22:13:27] <Hello71> testdisk
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3722 [22:13:32] <n-st> the system is still running. can i check
where my partitions start so i can create a new mbr?
3723 [22:13:33] <Venker> hi people
3724 [22:13:35] <Hello71> oh
3725 [22:13:41] <Hello71> cat /proc/partitions
3726 [22:14:05] <n-st> 8 0 244198584 sda
3727 [22:14:05] <n-st> 8 1 122098688 sda1
3728 [22:14:05] <n-st> 8 2 122098688 sda2
3729 [22:14:08] <Hello71> and save that to a file so you
don't run partprobe and wipe it
3730 [22:14:08] <nkuttler> n-st: how do you know only the mbr was
affected?
3731 [22:14:14] <Hello71> what the hell are you telling me for
3732 [22:14:33] <n-st> Hello71: so i don't forget it :P
3733 [22:14:45] <Hello71> they have text editors for that
3734 [22:14:58] <n-st> nkuttler: dd wrote 130 MB before i killed
it
3735 [22:15:12] <Hello71> slow drive
3736 [22:15:13] <nkuttler> that's way more than just the mbr,
isn't it?
3737 [22:15:33] <n-st> yeah, but sda1 is my windows partition, so
*shrug*
3738 [22:15:43] <nkuttler> ah
3739 [22:16:03] <nkuttler> you probably want to run fdisk or
something, and write down the sizes etc
3740 [22:16:06] <n-st> i figure i'll just recreate the
partitions in parted, grub-install /dev/sda and be done with it?
3741 [22:16:11] <nkuttler> or that
3742 [22:16:25] <nkuttler> n-st: sounds like a plan
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3745 [22:16:53] <Venker> could someone explain me why this bug is
archive and not fixed, please?
3746 [22:16:56] <Venker>
replaced-url
3747 [22:16:57] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3750 [22:17:22] <Venker> there is no update
3751 [22:17:45] <nkuttler> Venker: did you read the last messages?
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3757 [22:18:41] <Hello71> n-st: use fdisk not parted
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3761 [22:19:45] <Venker> nkuttler: oops, thanks. I'll try
that other patch
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3764 [22:20:23] <n-st> Hello71: how do i convert the
"blocks" from /proc/partitions to the units fdisk uses?
3765 [22:21:02] <Hello71> how big is your disk
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3767 [22:21:27] <n-st> Disk /dev/sda: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes
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3773 [22:22:32] <Hello71> exactly
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3775 [22:22:47] <n-st> huh?
3776 [22:23:12] <Hello71> think about it
3777 [22:23:50] <Venker>
replaced-url
3778 [22:23:51] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
3779 [22:23:57] <n-st> well, one "block" from /proc/part
appears to equal 1024 bytes
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3782 [22:24:48] <Venker> nkuttler: it's says patch: ****
malformed patch at line 28:
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3786 [22:25:34] <Venker> I copypasted it properly, I swear
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3792 [22:26:58] <Venker> it does not patch the script
3793 [22:27:07] <n-st> and fdisk tells me it's using units of
512 bytes
3794 [22:27:38] <n-st> but when i create two partitions of
2*122098688 units each, i end up with 183 unused blocks at the end
3795 [22:27:43] <n-st> Hello71: ↑
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3799 [22:29:03] <Hello71> n-st: oh, you probably have space at the
beginning, not the end
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3802 [22:29:53] <n-st> Hello71:
replaced-url
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3807 [22:30:29] <Hello71> n-st: at this point I'd just say
fuck it and run testdisk
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3809 [22:30:54] <Hello71> it'll take an hour but no effort
3810 [22:30:56] <n-st> Hello71: testdisk only finds the ISO9660
label at the beginning of the disk
3811 [22:31:05] <Hello71> ISO... why
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3814 [22:31:20] <Hello71> are your partitions misaligned
3815 [22:31:39] <n-st> because i wanted to dd an iso file to a usb
stick and typo'd the of=…
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3817 [22:32:27] <n-st> i've been using linux for four years
now, it had to happen at some point… :|
3818 [22:33:58] <Hello71> then press deeper search
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3824 [22:36:35] <Hello71> also you can use cp now
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3828 [22:37:01] <n-st> as an afterthought, what would have been
the chance that the 130 MB didn't make it to the disk if i had
killed it via sysrq+o immediately?
3829 [22:37:22] <n-st> Hello71: cp? what for?
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3831 [22:37:53] <Hello71> cp installer.iso /dev/sdb
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3837 [22:41:21] <n-st> Hello71: alright, the ntfs partition is
obviously toasted, but testdisk found the linux partition after all
3838 [22:41:25] <n-st> i'll try and reboot
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3842 [22:42:48] <n-st> hmm, grub-install fails because it detects
a gpt disk label
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3844 [22:43:41] <donttrustem> hi guys .. how do I fix this problem
when running apt-get update W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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3846 [22:44:49] <donttrustem> sorry wrong channel
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3850 [22:47:36] <humbag> possibly not all mirrors host all
archives
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3863 [22:52:16] <_marioxcc_> Hi. I want to boot the debian
installer from the hard disk. I am following
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3872 [22:56:13] <frostschutz> _marioxcc_, if you have a boot
loader that can handle those. not sure about the cd iso image but
the pxe netinst image works fine, I have this download script in my
/boot
replaced-url
3873 [22:57:13] <_marioxcc_> frostschutz: The bootloader can
handle them AFAIK (GRUB from Debian 7).
3874 [22:57:36] <frostschutz> sure grub you just do linux
thelinux, initrd theinitrd, and go. you can do that even from the
grub shell directly
3875 [22:57:55] <_marioxcc_> frostschutz: But my doubt is: Are
those initrd.gz and vmlinuz appropriate for loading directly from
GRUB instead of booting from the CD?.
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3880 [22:58:51] <frostschutz> _marioxcc_, I don't know what
the CD is like, I've used grub -> linux,initrd for ages.
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3884 [22:59:11] <frostschutz> with the linux,initrd you can
download directly, not any iso
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3886 [22:59:37] <floobleblooble> Does anyone know how to use the
non-free iwlwifi firmware during installation? I can't figure
out how.
3887 [22:59:42] <_marioxcc_> frostschutz: That is the issue, I do
_not_ want netinstall, I want to install from a CD image placed in
the hard disk.
3888 [23:00:06] <_marioxcc_> frostschutz: The image is
"debian-8.6.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso"
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3890 [23:00:35] <frostschutz> then I'm sorry for wasting your
time :) see if that one supports isoloop
3891 [23:01:13] <_marioxcc_> frostschutz: Could you please
elaborate?. What is isoloop?.
3892 [23:01:56] <n4dir> _marioxcc_: on any debian based distro
search for grml , there once was a package (build by the dudes from
grml, duh) which would help with such. Not sure if debian.iso is
supported thouogh
3893 [23:02:08] <n4dir> apt-cache search grml, that is.
3894 [23:03:19] <frostschutz> _marioxcc_, grub2 has loopback
support [which is entirely superfluous], the key point is the iso
has to be able to loopmount itself; some examples here
replaced-url
3895 [23:03:37] <_marioxcc_> frostschutz: Ok, thanks.
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3899 [23:04:34] <_marioxcc_> n4dir: No results.
3900 [23:04:34] <_marioxcc_> Anyway, what I want to do is:
Download "debian-8.6.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso" (already
done), then extract the "initrd.gz" and
"vmlinuz" from this ISO image and put it in the current
filesystem, then configure GRUB to boot from that initrd and kernel
file. Will the ISO image be found automatically?.
3901 [23:04:57] <frostschutz> _marioxcc_, it actually does have
examples for debian so you might be good. specify the location of
the iso image as shown in those examples, maybe it will work, maybe
it won't
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3904 [23:05:51] <_marioxcc_> frostschutz: Ok, but I will first try
the procedure I just described.
3905 [23:06:02] <n4dir> _marioxcc_: should be. weird. ->
replaced-url
3906 [23:06:16] <frostschutz> _marioxcc_, grub2 grabs the
linux,initrd directly from within the iso, but if you copy those
files out yourself, any regular bootloader w/o loop support would
work just as well. the key is an additional kernel/initramfs
parameter that tells it to look for the iso file somewhere
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3909 [23:07:58] <_marioxcc_> frostschutz: Could you please
elaborate?.
3910 [23:08:03] <_marioxcc_> (about such a parameter)
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3920 [23:12:01] <gry>
replaced-url
3921 [23:13:20] <n4dir> gry try apt-rdepends or simlar
3922 [23:13:44] <||JD||> is it possible to install 4.8 kernel in
testing from apt right now?
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3926 [23:14:52] <TomTomTo1> no, probably in a few days.
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3944 [23:20:23] <Paul^^> hello
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3948 [23:21:27] <Paul^^> I have debian 8.6 amd64 , firefoxESR
links don't go, I don't understand
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3950 [23:22:04] <critias> mysql on jessie: version 6 is OK ?
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3958 [23:23:29] <Hello71> gry: recommends geoclue which depends on
dbus which depends on libsystemd which depends on systemd
3959 [23:23:40] <Hello71> er, scratch that last part
3960 [23:24:05] <Hello71> n-st: erase that then :P
3961 [23:24:28] <Paul^^> from bash prompt write : permission
denite
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3965 [23:25:34] <Paul^^> !topic
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3968 [23:26:29] <Paul^^>
replaced-url
3969 [23:26:29] <||JD||> critias: you should try mariadb instead
3970 [23:26:41] <gry> Hello71, thanks, much appreciated
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3973 [23:27:37] <Paul^^> the executable file with own change to
root
3974 [23:27:38] <critias> ||JD||: hm... but "everybody"
uses mysql....no?
3975 [23:28:04] <Paul^^> I haven't change it, pls help me ,
have I a virus or backdoor ?
3976 [23:28:22] <Paul^^>
pablo@debian8:~/Scaricati/tor-browser_en-US/miei_files$ ls -l
/usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr
3977 [23:28:22] <Paul^^> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 122912 set 22
08:40 /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr
3978 [23:28:38] <nkuttler> !tell Paul^^ about localized errors
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3980 [23:29:04] <Paul^^> nkuttler, permission denite
3981 [23:29:21] <Paul^^> executable have root own
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3983 [23:29:47] <Paul^^> I had no change the permission, it
happened after I download tor bundle
3984 [23:30:04] <TomTomTo1> the permissions look normal.
3985 [23:30:47] <nkuttler> i'm going to guess now that the
problem is /home/pablo/.gnome2/accels
3986 [23:30:53] <Paul^^> TomTomTo1, no, ls -l
/usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr
3987 [23:30:54] <Paul^^> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 122912 set 22
08:40 /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr ; it's root not normal
3988 [23:30:57] <nkuttler> because Paul^^ doesn't localize
his errors
3989 [23:31:01] <||JD||> critias: mariadb is a community developed
mysql fork to keep it free, in most cases you won't notice any
difference
3990 [23:31:28] <TomTomTo1> Paul^^: no, that's not the
problem. it's what nkuttler pointed out.
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3993 [23:32:01] <Paul^^> excuse me , yes it's x set up
3994 [23:32:15] <Paul^^> 755
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3996 [23:32:47] <critias> ||JD|| : where does "Maria"
come from? Built in the Vatican ?
3997 [23:33:19] <Paul^^> I'm using xfce not gnome
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3999 [23:33:44] <nkuttler> Paul^^: just fix the permissions..
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4001 [23:34:14] <Paul^^> /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr ; error
impossible create GNOME accelerator
4002 [23:34:29] <nkuttler> Paul^^: Impossibile creare la directory
per gli acceleratori di GNOME
«/home/pablo/.gnome2/accels»: Permesso negato
4003 [23:34:38] <nkuttler> *that* is your problem it seems
4004 [23:35:00] <greyeax> hi i'm trying to create a backport
of libvirt but i'm having some trouble
4005 [23:35:00] <Paul^^> = impossible create directory for
accelerator of gnome
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4009 [23:35:09] <nkuttler> Paul^^: just fix the permissions..
4010 [23:35:10] <greyeax> i get an error when i run mk-build-deps
4011 [23:35:12] <Paul^^> but I have xfce
4012 [23:35:14] <nkuttler> Paul^^: just fix the permissions..
4013 [23:35:16] <greyeax>
replaced-url
4014 [23:35:29] <Paul^^> nkuttler, how fix permission ?
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4017 [23:35:50] <nkuttler> Paul^^: ls -ld
/home/pablo/.gnome2/accels
4018 [23:35:59] <Paul^^> ahaaa
4019 [23:36:06] <Paul^^> ok ok, directory permission
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4023 [23:38:49] <Paul^^> drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 nov 2 20:02
accels
4024 [23:38:54] <Paul^^> 777
4025 [23:39:03] <nkuttler> !777
4026 [23:39:03] <dpkg> 777 is the mode corresponding to -rwxrwxrwx
and is NEVER the right answer to your permission
"problems". Anyone on your box (whether welcome or not)
can do anything they want with those directories and files. It is
VERY WRONG... learn how to use the permissions properly instead of
leaving a gaping security hole to make something work in a hurry.
Ask me about <user private groups>, <permissions>,
<ftp must die>.
4027 [23:39:28] <Paul^^> /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr ;
permission denite
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4030 [23:39:49] <nkuttler> !tell Paul^^ about localized erros
4031 [23:39:59] <nkuttler> Paul^^: please use paste.debian.net
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4036 [23:40:43] <Paul^^> what localized errors ? the links of
directory ?
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4038 [23:40:53] <nkuttler> Paul^^: the bot sent you a message
4039 [23:41:01] <Paul^^> after installation all was good
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4041 [23:41:32] <nkuttler> Paul^^: LC_ALL=C whatevercommand, so
that people here can actually understand the output
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4044 [23:44:47] <Paul^^>
replaced-url
4045 [23:44:51] <Paul^^> nothing
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4048 [23:45:45] <nkuttler> Paul^^: you need to either export
LC_ALL=C, or put it all on one line
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4052 [23:46:31] <Paul^^>
replaced-url
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4054 [23:46:47] <nkuttler> Paul^^: yes, so fix the permissions
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4056 [23:47:26] <TomTomTo1> just check if /home/pablo/.gnome2 and
the directories and files inside are owned by your user.
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4061 [23:48:53] <Paul^^> ok go
4062 [23:49:18] <Paul^^> thx to all, really big volontee here
4063 [23:49:39] <TomTomTo1> "ok go" means it works?
4064 [23:49:43] <Paul^^> however I don't change this
directory permission, it's strange
4065 [23:49:47] <Paul^^> yes
4066 [23:49:51] <TomTomTo1> \o/
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4068 [23:50:13] <Paul^^> it happened after I installed tor bundle,
but I install it without root
4069 [23:50:55] <Paul^^> as you know , the new tor versions use a
separate directory, I don't use debian tor repository because
they are out date
4070 [23:50:58] <Paul^^> strage
4071 [23:51:41] <TomTomTo1> debian has torbrowser-launcher in
contrib that keeps itself updated.
4072 [23:51:44] <Paul^^> and I haven't gnome installed
I'm using xfce4
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4076 [23:52:58] <Paul^^> TomTomTo1, yes but in tor-project pages
tells use their bundle , it stay on a separate directory or
removible storage media
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4079 [23:53:43] <nkuttler> Paul^^: gnome and xfce both use gtk,
and presumable more shared libs. not surprising that some things end
up in ~/.gnome
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4081 [23:55:05] <Paul^^> nkuttler, ah... yes. Where are the
configuration file for the link in xfce ? If I want change a link,
or add/remove one
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4083 [23:55:45] <Paul^^> nothig
4084 [23:55:50] <Paul^^> thx to all
4085 [23:55:54] <Paul^^> :-)
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