• 0[00:00:01] <jelly> you don't know how true that is until you have one :-)
• 1[00:00:19] <jonaskoelker> do installed programs still run?
• 2[00:00:25] <jelly> yes
• 3[00:00:32] <jonaskoelker> oh, then I just google the solution :D
• 4[00:00:46] <jonaskoelker> does apt-file depend on it?
• 5[00:01:05] <jelly> dpkg and apt do.
• 6[00:01:05] <dpkg> jelly: I don't know, could you explain it?
• 7[00:01:10] <jelly> dpkg: hush
• 8[00:01:10] <dpkg> Fine, I'll shut up.
• 9[00:01:42] <jonaskoelker> but not apt-file? Then it sounds like you could cross-reference the files you have against the file each package claims to contain
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• 11[00:01:54] <jonaskoelker> or is claimed by apt-file to contain, rather
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• 13[00:02:38] <jonaskoelker> I do have a lot of files, but I can probably exclude /home /dev /sys /proc, which cuts down the search space
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• 16[00:02:54] <jonaskoelker> anyways, I'd rather spend my time playing board games with friends than doing that
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• 32[00:04:48] <jonaskoelker> is it paranoia if I check the backup of the file for integrity with sha1sum, cmp *and* diff?
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• 37[00:05:38] <jelly> jonaskoelker: there are also older backups in /var/backups/
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• 39[00:05:55] <jelly> and your own backup system of course
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• 41[00:06:14] <jonaskoelker> why didn't you tell me earlier? Then I could have saved all of my anxiety! :D
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• 44[00:06:21] <jonaskoelker> "your own backup system" lol
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• 46[00:06:30] <jonaskoelker> but seriously, thanks for letting me know
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• 52[00:06:38] <jelly> do you have some sort of backups set up right??
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• 55[00:06:59] <jonaskoelker> uhm...
• 56[00:07:00] * jelly hides
• 57[00:07:03] <jonaskoelker> disks never die!
• 58[00:07:41] <jonaskoelker> cp backup-status backup-status.once-more-for-good-measure
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• 63[00:09:14] <jonaskoelker> eek! I edited it in vim and forgot I was in command mode when I pasted the new text. Luckily it started with 'i'
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• 66[00:09:34] * jelly heard vim had undo
• 67[00:09:47] <jelly> and :q without saving
• 68[00:09:57] <jonaskoelker> yes, 'u' in command mode
• 69[00:10:01] <jonaskoelker> but not necessary :)
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• 75[00:11:38] <jonaskoelker> `vrms' is happy, `apt-cache show skype' is happy, `apt-cache policy skype' is happy
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• 79[00:12:46] <vlt> jelly: [cryptsetup and initrd problem] I removed the initrd.img completely and created a new one. Suddenly no more error messages from update-initramfs and /dev/disk/by-uuid/ is found by askpass. Two birds with one stone. The only remaining problem: After entering the passphrase when rootfs is unlocked it complains about the cryptdevice it finds in crypttab already being there. I have to press return three
• 80[00:12:47] <jonaskoelker> dlocate doesn't complain either
• 81[00:12:48] <vlt> times and booting continues.
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• 85[00:13:38] <vlt> jelly: But this I’ll try to solve later. Thank you and good night!
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• 94[00:15:02] <jelly> vlt: I suspect you can probably get rid of the kernel cryptopts= parameter now
• 95[00:15:08] <jelly> night!
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• 162[00:35:29] <seto> need a tool tor create a live cd of a iso for debian
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• 167[00:36:24] <markybob> seto: you're said three times that you were going to back ubuntu.
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• 169[00:36:42] <seto> yeh
• 170[00:36:52] <seto> need a debian equiv of startup disk creator
• 171[00:37:24] <jelly> there is none, you write the .iso to a usb device or burn it to a cd/dvd
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• 174[00:37:55] <seto> so just use the normal kb3 or what ever with the thumb as target then
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• 177[00:38:14] <markybob> cp or dd is normal
• 178[00:38:29] <jelly> cp blah.iso /dev/sdq
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• 180[00:39:03] <jelly> that works for debian's images
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• 225[01:06:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> Hi guys
• 226[01:06:20] <err403> Does e2fslibs do the same thing as tune2fs? I want to convert an ext2 to an ext4 file system for one my partitions, that was accidentally created in ext2.
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• 229[01:07:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> i am turning off the systemd process kill crap..
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• 234[01:09:32] <markybob> err403: you don't want to do that
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• 237[01:10:12] <markybob> err403: kernel.org says you should just create a new ext4 and then restore from backup. replaced-url
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• 240[01:11:02] <err403> markybob> What about just creating a new file system? There is nothing on this partition, and I already have a copy of the one tarball that is on there.
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• 242[01:11:27] <markybob> err403: that's the right way to do it.
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• 252[01:16:05] <Guest97362> how can i create a source package
• 253[01:16:24] <Guest97362> "orig.tar.xz and debian.tar.xz" without compiling?
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• 256[01:17:12] <markybob> Guest97362: you don't
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• 258[01:20:17] <Guest97362> markybob: its impssible?
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• 260[01:22:33] <markybob> Guest97362: what's the end goal?
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• 265[01:27:14] <Nuri> hi all :)
• 266[01:27:39] <Nuri> debian 8 x64 bit ajenti hosting panel install help me
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• 271[01:29:21] <Nuri> that , however, what is established
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• 275[01:30:51] <Guest97362> markybob: for compile it online, because my computer is a few old
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• 287[01:34:52] <Guest97362> markybob: for it i ask you, sorry
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• 299[01:39:45] <silverfall> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 323[01:49:29] <nebg> hello everyone... where can i find the unistd.h where i find all the syscalls numbers in debian ?
• 324[01:49:35] <nebg> i cannot find any in /usr/include
• 325[01:49:50] <nebg> i have a dir called "asm-generic" but that unistd.h is not readable
• 326[01:50:00] <nebg> i mean is readable but i can't understand anything inside
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• 347[01:56:43] <abrotman> nebg: probably manpages-dev .. you can use apt-file to find a file you don't have installed
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• 375[02:10:24] <nebg> abrotman, i searched and didn't find
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• 389[02:22:37] <oceanblue> When I shut off my computer do my VeraCrypt volumes automatically dismount?
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• 398[02:29:29] <okee> I have a question about Debian protocols? Which of the following would be the correct file stucture? /media/asd? /asd/media?
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• 421[02:44:37] <nkuttler> okee: what's asd?
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• 425[02:45:12] <okee> username directory> I think I have my directory structure mixed up, which might explain why I can't find foreign drives.
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• 428[02:45:40] <okee> I thought the hierarchy would be asd/media/drivename
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• 430[02:46:57] <nkuttler> /media/user/drive for me
• 431[02:47:11] <andril> hello
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• 434[02:49:51] <nkuttler> c
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• 437[02:50:30] <okee> nkuttler> Does /user/media/drivename also work?
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• 443[02:54:20] <AlexLikeRock> apt-get update - feezing on "Reading package lists... 0%"
• 444[02:54:24] <AlexLikeRock> helpme
• 445[02:54:29] <johnkeates> is ur hdd broken?
• 446[02:55:00] <AlexLikeRock> how to now ?
• 447[02:55:08] <AlexLikeRock> i need a fsck ?
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• 451[02:55:50] <johnkeates> use smartctl to see if it reports nasty
• 452[02:55:53] <johnkeates> check dmesg
• 453[02:55:58] <johnkeates> run apt in verbose mode
• 454[02:56:01] <johnkeates> that kinds of stuff
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• 456[02:56:44] <AlexLikeRock> i dont have " smartct"
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• 461[02:58:14] <johnkeates> then use livecd media
• 462[02:58:16] <johnkeates> livesub
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• 464[02:59:04] <AlexLikeRock> im remote control
• 465[02:59:07] <AlexLikeRock> by ssh
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• 475[03:04:46] <steved> Is there a server admin out there who might be able to help me out with a webserver I seem to be having issues with? One website won't pull up at all (that I know of) and I cannot seem to log into ssh on the server. Others sites I have checked are running fine. My usual debian guru is away for the weekend. Happy to pay for your help.
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• 478[03:08:24] <petemc> steved: what happens when you try to ssh?
• 479[03:08:35] <steved> it timesout
• 480[03:08:43] <johnkeates> server is probably not online or crashed
• 481[03:09:01] <steved> it's online because I'm pulling up sites, that's the odd part. I've never seen this before
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• 487[03:11:01] <petemc> steved: are all sites on one host?
• 488[03:11:30] <johnkeates> sounds like the OOMkiller might be killing a few processes but not the sites you can visit
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• 492[03:12:10] <steved> I have a varnish server in front of the primary web server. Non-cached pages are pulling up though
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• 494[03:12:43] <petemc> the plot thickens
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• 496[03:13:08] <steved> there is a serial console ability, the servers are connected together via serial ports
• 497[03:13:22] <steved> but I have no idea how he logs into the serial port
• 498[03:13:34] <steved> how do I find the serial port and log into the server that way?
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• 500[03:13:51] <petemc> depends on the host
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• 531[03:34:31] <okee> How do I get rid of that 100 GB Volume that is stuck in my asd folder? replaced-url
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• 534[03:36:31] <petemc> okee: what have you tried?
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• 537[03:36:50] <markybob> our patience :P
• 538[03:36:52] <okee> petemc> i can't even figure out how to get to it.
• 539[03:37:43] <petemc> rm /media/asd/100<press tab>
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• 542[03:38:59] <jmcnaught> okee: is something mounted there? "mount | grep 100"
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• 544[03:40:14] <okee> jmcnaught> I don't know. replaced-url
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• 546[03:41:32] <jmcnaught> okee: look like it is not currently mounted. you cannot "cd" into this directory? if you can, is there anything in it?
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• 548[03:43:14] <okee> jmcnaught> I can cd into the directory, but can't delete it at the command line because the entry isn't a legal linux/unix file. I need a gui to get rid of this. I am going to try aptitude.
• 549[03:44:18] <petemc> o.O
• 550[03:44:18] <jmcnaught> okee: aptitude isn't going to help can you do "ls -ld" on the directory?
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• 555[03:47:13] <okee> jmcnaught> I don't think this file can be changed in Linux. I need another editor program to amend it replaced-url
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• 558[03:48:05] <abrotman> okee: no "ls -ld /media/asd"
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• 560[03:49:06] <okee> abrotman> /media/asd has rwx permissions, if that is what you are looking for.
• 561[03:49:58] <abrotman> no,we wantto see a paste
• 562[03:50:05] <jmcnaught> okee: i was actually interested in the output of "ls -l /media/asd", the reason your previous command didn't work is because you didn't escape the spaces
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• 565[03:50:33] <abrotman> okee: if you want help, provide what people ask for, not some interpretation of what you think we want to see
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• 578[03:55:26] <jmcnaught> okee: so it was just an empty directory eh?
• 579[03:55:38] <okee> jmcnaught> yes
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• 595[04:06:20] <roadrunna> I'm new to debian how do I get kodi on it.
• 596[04:06:57] <sheep_parade> I am pretty new to linux so excuse the newb question: I have been using ubuntu for a few months and am wondering if debian has any security advantages over ubuntu.
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• 598[04:08:01] <petemc> sheep_parade: not really
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• 600[04:08:37] <petemc> roadrunna: check kodi wiki
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• 605[04:10:15] <roadrunna> petemc, I followed a guide that told me to add backports to my sources list. That went fine. But when I go to insall kodi i get dependencies errors.
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• 607[04:11:08] <petemc> roadrunna: pastebin error
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• 611[04:13:06] <roadrunna> petemc, replaced-url
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• 614[04:15:38] <petemc> roadrunna: aptitude why-not kodi-data , paste complete output
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• 618[04:16:27] <sheep_parade> Reading a little about debian versus ubuntu "Typically during their development cycle, Ubuntu imports source packages from Debian Unstable (sid)." does that mean debian packages are older but more stable (less crashes)?
• 619[04:16:44] <roadrunna> petemc, replaced-url
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• 621[04:16:50] <jmcnaught> roadrunna: can you show the command you used to install kodi?
• 622[04:17:23] <roadrunna> apt-get install kodi
• 623[04:17:55] <jmcnaught> roadrunna: if you're installing stuff from backports you need to tell apt-get this. "apt-get -t jessie-backports install kodi"
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• 625[04:18:59] <roadrunna> jmcnaught, Yes sir. Ok. I'll try that. Sorry just installed debian like 20 mins ago. Still pretty green :/.
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• 627[04:20:19] <roadrunna> Hmm getting the same errors
• 628[04:20:43] <jmcnaught> !bat
• 629[04:20:44] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 632[04:21:26] <jmcnaught> ^^ can you please do this
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• 639[04:23:16] <petemc> roadrunna: apt-get install kodi --no-install-recommends , might be worth a try
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• 641[04:23:58] <jmcnaught> we don't understand the problem yet, so looking for troubleshooting information is better than just trying different commands
• 642[04:24:37] <petemc> the problem is that package, afaict
• 643[04:24:42] <petemc> the font package
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• 645[04:24:51] <roadrunna> fonts-robot-hinted
• 646[04:24:54] <roadrunna> it seems
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• 648[04:26:27] <jmcnaught> ahh.. well fonts-roboto-hinted only seems to exist in stretch and sid
• 649[04:27:05] <roadrunna> should I install the bin package?
• 650[04:27:23] <jmcnaught> roadrunna: the backports FAQ page says where to report problems with backports: replaced-url
• 651[04:28:48] <jmcnaught> roadrunna: you can read details about a package including the description with "apt-cache show kodi-data". in this case it says this package is needed for a working Kodi.
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• 654[04:29:15] <jmcnaught> also fonts-robot-hinted is a Depends not a Recommends, so this package needs to be installed
• 655[04:29:27] <jmcnaught> ,checkbackport fonts-robot-hinted
• 656[04:29:29] <judd> No package named 'fonts-robot-hinted' was found in sid/amd64.
• 657[04:30:44] <jmcnaught> ^^ the package isn't on packages.debian.org yet either but it did show up in rmadison. roadrunna you might need to try again later. as i said you can report this issue to the backports people
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• 660[04:32:20] <cluelessperson> I don't understand how the hardware acceleration is so terrible with such a common intel integrated graphics...
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• 664[04:33:46] <roadrunna_> sorry crashed
• 665[04:34:51] <cluelessperson> Everything seems sluggish graphically
• 666[04:35:33] <roadrunna_> so were can I get fonts-rboto-hinted at?
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• 671[04:36:04] <cluelessperson> linux mint was behaving more.
• 672[04:36:50] <jmcnaught> roadrunna_: you can probably backport the package yourself. it's not very difficult. or you could ask on the mailing list in the backports FAQ i linked to earlier
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• 675[04:37:34] <jmcnaught> roadrunna_: whatever you do, do NOT try to install packages from other versions of debian like testing/stretch or unstable. that way ends in tears.
• 676[04:37:55] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: is yours a broadwell, i cannot remember?
• 677[04:38:35] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I think so.
• 678[04:38:48] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, X1 Carbon Lenovo, 20BT ? maybe the BS
• 679[04:38:58] <cluelessperson> intel 6000, with integrated intel hd 5500
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• 682[04:43:25] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: this GPU was released after Jessie had frozen in november 2014. That's why i was recommending the newer kernel and intel driver from backports before
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• 686[04:46:18] <cluelessperson> I'm back jmcnaught , sorry for disappearing
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• 688[04:46:38] <cluelessperson> My AP's radio is failing, causing the radio to pop off an don
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• 693[04:49:09] <cluelessperson> hm
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• 695[04:51:30] <awwal> cluelessperson, jmcnaught has already told what you may want to do...
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• 702[04:59:14] <ozt> Hello all. I'm trying to install the ATI proprietary driver (fglrx) on Debian Stretch; I get the errors "DKMS part of the installation failed" and on the log it says that "Failed to build fglrx-15.302 with DKMS"; any ideas?
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• 710[05:03:41] <ozt> Hello all. I'm trying to install the ATI proprietary driver (fglrx) on Debian Stretch; I get the errors "DKMS part of the installation failed" and on the log it says that "Failed to build fglrx-15.302 with DKMS"; any ideas?
• 711[05:06:12] <cluelessperson> awwal, I said my wifi has been dropping, I think I missed what he suggested.
• 712[05:06:16] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, Sorry^
• 713[05:07:10] <roadrunna_> How do I go about automounting an external hardrive to a specific folder I create automatically upon reboot
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• 717[05:07:32] <dvs> <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: this GPU was released after Jessie had frozen in november 2014. That's why i was recommending the newer kernel and intel driver from backports before
• 718[05:07:38] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: i haven't seen you disconnect, i don't think you're missing anything
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• 722[05:08:37] <jmcnaught> ozt: are you following replaced-url
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• 729[05:10:22] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I'm currently using the newer kernal and intel driver from jessie backports, do you suggest using sid ?
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• 731[05:10:37] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: no not really
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• 737[05:12:28] <precise> Hey all, I have been running Ubuntu (now xenial) for quite sometime. I have recently become much more concerned about my privacy in general. I am doing a major upgrade to my system (SSD, +1 HDD, etc), how hard would it be to make the jump to Debian? I know Ubuntu pretty well, along with linux in general. Sorry for the wall of text.
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• 740[05:12:59] <Patero-ng> hi I'm trying to do what the installation instructions from debian site pdf tells me to install debian to a usb drive the simple way, which is cp image.iso /dev/sdb however I get an error saying: cp: error writing ‘/dev/sdb’: No space left on device
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• 742[05:13:03] <Patero-ng> cp: failed to extend ‘/dev/sdb’: No space left on device
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• 744[05:13:14] <Patero-ng> what can be happening? thanks :)
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• 749[05:13:43] <precise> Patero-ng are you sure that /dev/sdb is your USB?
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• 751[05:13:50] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I don't know what to do from here.
• 752[05:13:57] <precise> Plese triple check Patero-ng
• 753[05:14:04] <precise> *Please
• 754[05:14:26] <precise> Wait, wouldn't it be the dd command, not cp?
• 755[05:14:31] <cluelessperson> precise, It wouldn't be hard. Ubuntu just has some thing defined a bit more for laymen/ease of use, but you can achieve the same results with debian.
• 756[05:14:58] <precise> cluelessperson, thanks for the response.
• 757[05:15:15] <precise> So what I would be missing would basically be the closed source stuff.
• 758[05:15:17] <precise> ?
• 759[05:15:24] <Patero-ng> precise: I'm sure I'm looking at lsblk output and that's the usb drive, I'm running it from a virtualmachine with 16gb of sata storage, there's only 3 drives the virtual drive the sd card I have the image.iso and the pendrive
• 760[05:15:47] <Patero-ng> precise: oh debian pdf it says cp
• 761[05:15:56] <NamilaK> Patero-ng, which pdf?
• 762[05:16:13] <cluelessperson> precise, I personally suggest base debian, and then these. apt-get install --no-install-recommends xorg cinnamon gdm openssh
• 763[05:16:21] <NamilaK> what OS are you using to do it?
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• 765[05:17:04] <cluelessperson> precise, and then I suggest copying linux mint's /etc/.profile or .bash_rc or whatever it's called, (wonderful for terminal) and DEFINITELY install tilda for a dropdown terminal
• 766[05:17:14] <precise> cluelessperson: I take it you prefer Cinnamon? Is there any reason I couldn't use KDE or Gnome?
• 767[05:17:39] <precise> + Why isn't openssh installed by default, I know Ubuntu roles with it preinstalled...
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• 769[05:17:48] <cluelessperson> precise, Gnome3 seems to be crap, I haven't used KDE but it seems less supported? I think? and cinnamon has some reate native features without being too heavy, especially with --no-install-recommends
• 770[05:17:53] <Patero-ng> NamilaK: debian 8.4 on a vm
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• 772[05:18:12] <cluelessperson> precise, it's defaultly selected as an option in debian install
• 773[05:18:15] <cluelessperson> openssh
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• 775[05:18:20] <precise> Got ya
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• 777[05:18:34] <jmcnaught> precise: installing ssh is an option on the "select and install software" screen in the debian installer. there you can also choose the desktop environment(s) you want to install
• 778[05:18:41] <Patero-ng> cp: error writing ‘/dev/sdb’: No space left on device
• 779[05:18:41] <Patero-ng> cp: failed to extend ‘/dev/sdb’: No space left on device
• 780[05:19:00] <precise> jmcnaught: I figured it would be something like that.
• 781[05:19:07] <jmcnaught> precise: and to counter what cluelessperson is saying, most people want recommends, hence the term "recommends"
• 782[05:19:14] <lightblue> If you have two directories alongside each other under the same upper level directory with identical files, say directory A and B. After a while you changed the files in B. Now you changed the B's name with the mv command to A, hoping to retain B's updated files but keeping the name of A, after the successful issue of the mv command, you only see A, however, when you see the files in A, it's sill the old files. Why is that?
• 783[05:19:21] <Patero-ng> sorry wrong paste this is the url: debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/install.pdf.en
• 784[05:19:29] <NamilaK> Patero-ng, ok
• 785[05:19:58] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, precise Problem with desktop environments recommends is that they're stupid things like media players, and other software you'll often never use, rather than just being "we recommend this to make it work better"
• 786[05:20:19] <precise> Thanks for all your help guys, I think I'm going to VM this first to test, learn, and break :P
• 787[05:20:23] <Patero-ng> NamilaK: section 4.3
• 788[05:20:33] <precise> You will probably see me on here quite a bit the next few weeks or so :P
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• 792[05:22:38] <Javabean> precise, i made the transition from ubuntu to debian a few years ago... other than closed source wifi drivers, i found the change quite easy
• 793[05:22:52] <NamilaK> ok
• 794[05:23:08] <NamilaK> i got it
• 795[05:23:13] <precise> Wifi worked out of the box with Ubuntu, thanks for the heads up on that.
• 796[05:24:07] <jmcnaught> lightblue: could you show a shell transcript demonstrating what you mean?
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• 798[05:25:55] <jmcnaught> precise: the debian install manual is pretty good and worth taking a look at. it covers how to handle missing firmware files, which you might need for wifi
• 799[05:26:16] <Patero-ng> anyway I always had problems with dd too it makes a partition the size of the copied files and the virtualbox can't recognize it anymore until I reload the guest os maybe
• 800[05:26:24] <Patero-ng> why is that such a stupid tool
• 801[05:26:33] <precise> jmcnaught Thanks again! :P
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• 808[05:30:06] <NamilaK> Patero-ng: Did you try with dd?
• 809[05:30:17] <NamilaK> try with dd bs=4M if=/path.iso of=/dev/sdz
• 810[05:30:22] <Patero-ng> NamilaK: haven't
• 811[05:30:27] <Patero-ng> k
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• 813[05:30:52] <NamilaK> where z is tha letter of your usb dongle
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• 816[05:31:15] <Patero-ng> is connected directly to the port on the back
• 817[05:31:54] <NamilaK> something like dd bs=4M if=/isos/debian.iso of=/dev/sdd
• 818[05:32:04] <jmcnaught> why not cp?
• 819[05:32:46] <NamilaK> Patero said it doesn't working for him
• 820[05:33:12] <jmcnaught> oh i see the errors from earlier.
• 821[05:33:26] <NamilaK> :)
• 822[05:33:28] <jmcnaught> not sure why dd would work if cp does not
• 823[05:33:57] <Patero-ng> ugh I have to do a low level format of it too cause its capacity is unrecognized I hate copying the whole device method
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• 828[05:35:54] <jak2000> hi friends, i created a VM in VBOX with debian, but in sometimes, need do: ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 why?
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• 832[05:38:06] <jmcnaught> jak2000: why do you restart the interface, what prompts you to do it? have you looked for information in the logs?
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• 834[05:38:42] <jak2000> jmcnaught! always you
• 835[05:38:58] <jak2000> not know why if i do a ping from my pc to VM it not answer after i do that
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• 837[05:39:46] <jmcnaught> jak2000: when does it happen?
• 838[05:40:10] <rjsalts> jak2000: are you disabling/reenabling the interface on the host or the vm?
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• 840[05:43:57] <jak2000> i say more:
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• 842[05:44:06] <jak2000> 1) start the VM, and working ok....
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• 844[05:44:21] <jak2000> 2) restart the vm: sudo shutdown -r now
• 845[05:44:59] <jak2000> 3) when start (here need do a ifdown and ifup)
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• 847[05:45:33] <jmcnaught> jak2000: so it happens when you reboot from inside the VM?
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• 849[05:46:01] <jak2000> yes
• 850[05:46:25] <jmcnaught> jak2000: does "journalctl -b -u networking" say anything?
• 851[05:47:09] <jak2000> i need test... tomorrow.
• 852[05:47:10] <jak2000> :)
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• 854[05:47:53] <jmcnaught> i guess come back when you're ready to troubleshoot
• 855[05:47:59] <jak2000> yes :)
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• 858[05:48:24] <jak2000> jmcnaught you know about database?
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• 861[05:50:53] <jmcnaught> jak2000: a bit
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• 872[06:01:22] <SagelessFox2> Hmm..
• 873[06:01:28] <SagelessFox2> Got a problem
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• 876[06:01:55] <SagelessFox2> I just want to install virt-manager to my Debian
• 877[06:02:20] <SagelessFox2> But after I typed apt install virt-manager
• 878[06:02:41] <Scuttle> you mean "apt-get install virt-manager"?
• 879[06:02:56] <SagelessFox2> The terminal says I must install a full set of KVM
• 880[06:03:04] <SagelessFox2> I just want virt-manager
• 881[06:03:06] <jmcnaught> Scuttle: there's also an apt command that can install
• 882[06:03:08] <SagelessFox2> :|
• 883[06:03:13] <Scuttle> ah...did not know :D
• 884[06:03:50] <SagelessFox2> So the problem is how to install virt-manager without KVM by apt in Debian?
• 885[06:04:09] <precise> Hey guys, currently reading the Debian Install Manual (6.3.3.6):
• 886[06:04:11] <precise> The only exception is the /boot partition which must remain unencrypted, because currently there is no way to load the kernel from an encrypted partition.
• 887[06:04:25] <precise> Does this still reign true? Does debain not have FDE?
• 888[06:05:21] <rjsalts> precise: how can you encrypt the kernel and still run?
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• 890[06:05:47] <jmcnaught> precise: it can be done manually, but the installer only supports unencrypted /boot
• 891[06:05:49] <SagelessFox2> lol
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• 893[06:06:02] <precise> jmcnaught: Can it be done manually post install?
• 894[06:06:28] <jmcnaught> precise: as far as i know yes, but it takes some work
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• 897[06:07:33] <precise> jmcnaught: On replaced-url
• 898[06:07:43] <precise> It says that I can install /boot onto external media?
• 899[06:07:47] <jmcnaught> SagelessFox2: virt-manager recommends libvirt-daemon-system, have you tried with "--no-install-recommends"?
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• 902[06:08:03] <SagelessFox2> :O
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• 904[06:08:53] <SagelessFox2> No... But I will have a try, thank you jmcnaught
• 905[06:09:25] <jmcnaught> precise: i haven't read that page but the author is a debian developer as far as i know, so if it's up to date it should be correct
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• 907[06:09:53] <precise> jmsnaught: Didn't even realise he was a dev :P
• 908[06:09:56] <jmcnaught> precise: i use disk encryption but don't bother with /boot because it's kind of a hassle and i don't see that much of a benefit
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• 911[06:10:35] <precise> What vulnerabilites exist in the standard /boot partition?
• 912[06:11:05] <jmcnaught> precise: he wrote this book: replaced-url
• 913[06:11:45] <jmcnaught> precise: someone with physical access could theoretically tamper with your kernel or replace it with a malicious one
• 914[06:12:12] <precise> Hmm, ok
• 915[06:12:32] <jmcnaught> but with unencrypted /boot you're still protected from the most common use case: if you lose your computer or it gets stolen, the data cannot be accessed (only a kernel or two)
• 916[06:12:59] <precise> jmcnaught: What about law enforcement acversary (LEO)?
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• 918[06:13:56] <jmcnaught> precise: if you think you're at risk of someone breaking into your home and bugging your devices, then sure consider encrypting /boot just understand it could be complicated
• 919[06:14:24] <precise> jmcnaught: understandable :P
• 920[06:15:01] <precise> On a different topic: SSD with Luks and Trim. My understanding with Ubuntu Xenial was that Trim was on by default, can the same be said about such a setup with Debain?
• 921[06:15:07] <precise> *Debian
• 922[06:15:18] <jmcnaught> trim is not on by default in Debian
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• 925[06:16:07] <jmcnaught> the wiki has an SSDOptimization page if you want to tweak stuff. if the SSD is overprovisioned and/or you leave some unallocated space, you probably don't need to worry about trim
• 926[06:17:09] <k_sze[work]> Is it still considered "acceptable" practice to write old-school init.d scripts and enabling them using update-rc.d?
• 927[06:17:17] <k_sze[work]> (for some definition of "acceptable")
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• 930[06:18:52] <jmcnaught> k_sze[work]: if you're using systemd update-rc.d is just a wrapper around systemctl now, but systemd is backwards compatible with LSB init scripts
• 931[06:19:04] <k_sze[work]> And given that Jessie now does systemd.
• 932[06:19:11] <k_sze[work]> ok
• 933[06:19:22] <jmcnaught> k_sze[work]: you might find it simpler to make systemd service units though
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• 935[06:19:54] <jmcnaught> it's a declarative INI style format instead of a script
• 936[06:20:05] <tikun> anyone interested in a free VM/VPS? I have a dedicated server running Windows 2012 R2, I have two VMs running under Hyper-V at the moment and the server is rather underused. I wouldn't mind providing a one CPU, 512MB RAM, 25GB HDD, Debian (or your choice of OS), gigabit connectivity, as for bandwidth I'm gonna say about 500GB but not a hard limit, just no going hog wild. It obviously would be more of a managed VPS as for OS reinstalls you would need to
• 937[06:20:05] <tikun> contact me.
• 938[06:20:27] <k_sze[work]> So if I already have an init.d script that works, do I have any reason to switch to systemd service unit?
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• 940[06:20:37] <tikun> specs are negotiable as well
• 941[06:21:41] <jmcnaught> k_sze[work]: if there's a systemd feature you want to use for the service then you might make a service unit, but it's fine to continue using an existing init script
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• 961[06:36:27] <jak2000> jmcnaught how to sync a database1 to database2, with replication, or better transfer files?
• 962[06:37:00] <Vladd> Who here`s on android?
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• 966[06:37:40] <jak2000> i am
• 967[06:37:57] <Vladd> Cool, so am i
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• 969[06:38:21] <Vladd> Are you using GNUroot?
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• 971[06:38:38] <jak2000> i am not rotted my device
• 972[06:39:02] <Vladd> Neither have i.
• 973[06:39:32] <Vladd> I don`t even have a desktop.
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• 983[06:44:21] <boomBoom> What is the correct path to linux expertise?
• 984[06:44:50] <Vladd> Learn all the terminal commands?
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• 987[06:45:49] <boomBoom> Vladd: yeah I am learning but I don't feel like I will ever master it
• 988[06:46:49] <Arrowmaster> learn to google
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• 991[06:47:24] <boomBoom> I do google :)
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• 993[06:47:40] <Arrowmaster> thats how you get expertise in anything
• 994[06:47:41] <Vladd> Don`t try to master it. Just learn what you need to use it for.
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• 1001[06:53:07] <Vladd> I figured out how to do a port redirection attack.
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• 1003[06:54:14] <jmcnaught> jak2000: there are entire books on database replication
• 1004[06:54:20] <error403> Can someone tell me how to straighten out a conflict with all of the external windows partitions? replaced-url
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• 1006[06:54:47] <Vladd> Delete windows!
• 1007[06:55:10] <jmcnaught> error403: what is the conflict?
• 1008[06:55:52] <error403> I can't access any of the drives that say Fuseblock replaced-url
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• 1010[06:56:45] <error403> jmcnaught> All of these are ntfs partitions
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• 1013[06:57:29] <error403> replaced-url
• 1014[06:57:33] <jmcnaught> error403: "ls /media/asd/Storage1" returns an error?
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• 1024[07:03:16] <error403> jmcnaught> Yes, it returns an I/O Error replaced-url
• 1025[07:03:52] <error403> jmcnaught> There is a bad sector on the primary Debian drive, and I am trying to migrate things over. However, the data on the external drive appears to be in good condition.
• 1026[07:04:22] <error403> Don't know if the bad sector is affecting the problem, but I would think it wouldn't affect all three NTFS drives
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• 1029[07:05:24] <jmcnaught> error403: you should unmount them. how were they mounted in the first place?
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• 1031[07:06:01] <error403> jmcnaught> In this case it was mount /dev/sda1 /media/asd/Storage1
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• 1035[07:07:29] <error403> jmcnaught> ok, all three drives are unmounted
• 1036[07:07:57] <jmcnaught> error403: you probably want to use "mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/asd/Storage1". replaced-url
• 1037[07:09:43] <error403> now I get an error indicating it can't find /media/asd/Storage1 in /etc/fstab, but I know how to fix that.
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• 1040[07:10:43] <jmcnaught> error403: did you forget the device in the mount command?
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• 1042[07:11:14] <jmcnaught> error403: the wiki page I linked to has an example fstab line if that's what you're trying now
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• 1061[07:24:27] <r4kramer> Hi
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• 1063[07:24:52] <r4kramer> where can I find more specific information about systemd with Debian ?
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• 1065[07:25:18] <hiexpo> man systemd
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• 1075[07:31:55] <MrGeneral> folks, got debian 6 running here, upgraded to python 3.0
• 1076[07:32:03] <MrGeneral> however, when I type python -v, it's still 2.6
• 1077[07:32:05] <MrGeneral> any idea?
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• 1079[07:32:15] <error403> jmcnaught> I will copy it and do it in the morning. Thanks for your help.
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• 1082[07:32:44] <hiexpo> !python
• 1083[07:32:44] <dpkg> Python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it. See replaced-url
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• 1085[07:33:04] <MrGeneral> thanks ;P
• 1086[07:33:11] <MrGeneral> !python 3
• 1087[07:33:11] <dpkg> [python 3] available from squeeze onwards and is a "supported version" of python, meaning that python module packages are starting to exist in Debian. See replaced-url
• 1088[07:33:58] <jmcnaught> MrGeneral: how did you upgrade to python 3.0? also you can messge the bot privately
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• 1093[07:35:16] <hiexpo> you can alsochange which python you want to use MrGeneral
• 1094[07:35:32] <hiexpo> per app
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• 1102[07:43:32] <hiexpo> MrGeneral, replaced-url
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• 1105[07:46:26] <bibek> guys, i'm having a weird trouble getting gnome to work on vnc setup
• 1106[07:46:43] <bibek> i'm using tigervnc
• 1107[07:47:04] <bibek> it works well with xfce4-session, but gnome just doesn't work.
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• 1109[07:47:46] <bibek> replaced-url
• 1110[07:47:58] <bibek> it says IO error on X
• 1111[07:48:08] <hiexpo> driver
• 1112[07:48:21] <bibek> it's a headless setup, btw
• 1113[07:48:26] <bibek> hiexpo: which driver ?
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• 1115[07:48:33] <hiexpo> video
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• 1117[07:48:55] <MrGeneral> thanks hiexpo , all good!
• 1118[07:49:01] <MrGeneral> thank you jmcnaught
• 1119[07:49:04] <MrGeneral> yeah I'm sorted now
• 1120[07:49:11] <bibek> umm, xfce4 works though. so, i'd assume
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• 1124[07:50:01] <bibek> video drivers should be fine.
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• 1126[07:50:47] <FaTony> how to set g++6 to be default compiler?
• 1127[07:51:01] <hiexpo> not sure than
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• 1129[07:52:41] <markybob> FaTony: right now you don't. it's only in experimental
• 1130[07:53:01] <babilen> (nor should you pull in those packages into stable)
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• 1141[07:57:57] <cluelessperson> cinnamon, bookmarks aren't being saved, configurations are being lost, overwritten
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• 1143[07:58:53] <cluelessperson> I have to restart the machine to switch between wifi/eth
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• 1152[08:02:00] <cluelessperson> What the living hell. How does Hexchat have internet access through wifi, but chrome doesn't
• 1153[08:03:03] <cluelessperson> sighs
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• 1217[08:39:01] <antena-cli> I've installed Qmmp and now every time I connect a USB stick it opens in Qmmp. How can I change it to open a file manager window instead?
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• 1237[08:49:27] <luxio> Who decides what updates get released in debian?
• 1238[08:49:42] <jelly> the... release team
• 1239[08:49:59] <bibek> guys any clue on what the fist three lines here are trying to say? replaced-url
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• 1242[08:50:52] <AlexPortable> How to start x with current screen resolution/
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• 1249[08:55:25] <luxio> This is a really broad question, but how do I become really good at debian?
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• 1252[08:56:33] <TomTomTosch> luxio: read docs, use debian, wait till shit breaks and try to fix it?
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• 1407[09:58:14] <AlexPortable> How to start x with current screen resolution?
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• 1409[09:58:31] <AlexPortable> luxio: do you have linux experience?
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• 1467[10:15:36] <CoffeeJ> Good morning, does someone know a ftp-indexer-app (google only found one without russian windows codepage support)? thanks
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• 1471[10:16:51] <CoffeeJ> ...and btw is "ls -R" supported on windows ftp servers ?
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• 1489[10:21:01] <antzero_> I set up an OpenVPN server on my debian machine and it's correctly working
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• 1491[10:21:34] <bibek> antzero_: congrats!
• 1492[10:21:39] <antzero_> How do I allow a specific port? E.g. I have It blocked on my main connection,usually connecting trough a VPN allows it
• 1493[10:21:47] <antzero_> How do I configure this to my VPN server
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• 1496[10:22:50] <Angelicaa> Is a base debian system more secure than arch linux? or are they about the same
• 1497[10:22:58] <antzero_> Bibek: thanks! I'm trying to figure out if I need a port forwarding for this
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• 1501[10:24:22] <enoch> hi
• 1502[10:24:46] <enoch> a file on my filesystem was renamed to _suspended
• 1503[10:24:48] <enoch> why??
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• 1508[10:26:25] <os_> hi
• 1509[10:26:32] <antzero_> Anyone has ideas on the VPN configuration?
• 1510[10:27:05] <os_> i have noticed that many gnustep apps aren't in debian repository in jessie
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• 1512[10:27:25] <os_> anybody has an idea?
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• 1547[10:41:18] <rafalcpp> will Debian support removing systemd and using other init?
• 1548[10:41:32] <rafalcpp> or is it needed to change to other distro to have that
• 1549[10:41:57] <rafalcpp> as in, will the systemd-free setup be supported for forseeable future
• 1550[10:42:02] <rysiek|pl> rafalcpp: I think unfortunately switching distros is required
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• 1552[10:42:10] <rysiek|pl> rafalcpp: you might find this interesting: replaced-url
• 1553[10:42:12] <rafalcpp> systemd is such a cancer
• 1554[10:43:16] * rysiek|pl is also fed up with systemd and -- especially -- its developers' attitude, but this is not really a good place to rant about this
• 1555[10:43:52] <vlt> antzero_: I’m using OpenVPN and usually don’t have problems connecting to certain ports. Where exactly is your problem?
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• 1557[10:44:27] <antzero_> Vlt: I have some blocked ports and I want to use my VPN server to "unblock" them
• 1558[10:44:43] <vlt> antzero_: I have no idea what this means.
• 1559[10:44:56] <vlt> antzero_: Which packet should go from where to where?
• 1560[10:45:14] <rafalcpp> rysiek|pl: too bad we are not vocal enough, or woman, or lgbt people to have our concerns considered by "management"
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• 1562[10:45:31] <rafalcpp> wasn't the systemd debacle accelerated by Debian Woman "project"?
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• 1565[10:46:07] <rysiek|pl> rafalcpp: how about we stay out of conspiracy theories and borderline sexist remarks? ;)
• 1566[10:46:10] <antzero_> E.g. I have the port "1" blocked on my connection, if I connect to a VPS service I have It "unblocked"
• 1567[10:46:27] <rafalcpp> rysiek|pl: Debian Woman is the sexist project, by definition
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• 1569[10:46:40] <antzero_> How do I set up this on my OpenVPN server? I guess this should be a prerouting rule
• 1570[10:47:38] <rafalcpp> and if something is ruining my favourite linux, then it's worth heaving theories on why so
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• 1572[10:48:04] <vlt> antzero_: I’m sorry, I’d like to help you but “the port "1" blocked on my connection” I just don’t understand.
• 1573[10:48:10] <rysiek|pl> rafalcpp: you are free to start a Debian Men project
• 1574[10:48:37] <vlt> antzero_: What is blocking what here?
• 1575[10:49:06] <rafalcpp> rysiek|pl: what for?
• 1576[10:49:24] <rafalcpp> I'm thinking how to get a debian with good support for systemd-free setup
• 1577[10:49:33] <rysiek|pl> rafalcpp: go devuan then
• 1578[10:49:41] <rysiek|pl> rafalcpp: it's basically Debian without systemd
• 1579[10:49:54] * vlt googles systemd
• 1580[10:50:14] <rysiek|pl> vlt: replaced-url
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• 1583[10:52:23] <vlt> rysiek|pl: Thanks.
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• 1589[10:55:44] <cluelessperson> Question, how do I build this on debian?
• 1590[10:55:46] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
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• 1605[11:00:12] <pencilandpaper> rafalcpp, you can add the devuan sources.list and convert your debian jessie install to devuan to avoid using systemd and use sysvinit. Mind you, devuan is still in beta..and isn't yet recommended for production use, but does very well. Its what I am using as we speak.
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• 1608[11:00:44] <rafalcpp> pencilandpaper: what about issues of trust, what does apt-get offer? I assume I need other signing key?
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• 1610[11:01:55] <pencilandpaper> Well once you add the sources, and then do a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and that is all done, you are pretty much good to go.
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• 1613[11:02:23] <pencilandpaper> To resolve that issue, you just run a command and that whole key issue is dealt with rafalcpp . I will look the command up now since I keep forgetting it. One sec.
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• 1616[11:05:23] <pencilandpaper> This is the general idea rafalcpp . -----> replaced-url
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• 1620[11:05:42] <pencilandpaper> I have no errors now though..so it does work.
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• 1635[11:12:41] <AlexPortable> How to start x with current screen resolution?
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• 1644[11:14:35] <rafalcpp> AlexPortable: one way could be to write it down, prepare a simple "xrandr ...." command that sets that mode, and have it in some ~/.xinit AFAIR? but there are probably smarter
• 1645[11:14:56] <AlexPortable> should I do this for every resolution there is?
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• 1648[11:17:06] <pencilandpaper> It doesn't just start with your actual screen resolution AlexPortable ?
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• 1650[11:17:20] <AlexPortable> nope
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• 1652[11:17:39] <rafalcpp> AlexPortable: I thought you want to set one resolution, that one that you have now?
• 1653[11:17:51] <rafalcpp> AlexPortable: I thought you want to set one resolution, that one that you have now. Isn't that so?
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• 1655[11:18:04] <AlexPortable> well I have the commandline
• 1656[11:18:12] <AlexPortable> and i type startx /usr/bin/iceweasel to start my browser
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• 1658[11:18:16] <AlexPortable> but it's in 800x600 or something
• 1659[11:18:30] <AlexPortable> my screen is 1280x1024, sometimes i have a screen connected with another resolution
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• 1661[11:18:41] <pencilandpaper> Ok I see AlexPortable..
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• 1663[11:18:56] <pencilandpaper> Yeah, I would use xrandr and go from there AlexPortable .
• 1664[11:19:07] <AlexPortable> how does xfce and stuff handles this?
• 1665[11:19:16] <rafalcpp> what was the name of "X rc thing"?
• 1666[11:19:22] <rafalcpp> filename
• 1667[11:19:32] <pencilandpaper> Brb.
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• 1699[11:38:32] <cluelessperson> When I switch from WIRED to WIRELESS
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• 1701[11:38:45] <cluelessperson> hexchat works, but it seems nothing else switches over to the active interface
• 1702[11:38:48] <cluelessperson> how do I fix this?
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• 1707[11:42:13] <Posterdati> hi
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• 1712[11:43:08] <Posterdati> I'm using debian 8 with noveau, the screen for the textual consoles are smaller than the full screen, how can I change that?
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• 1732[11:52:40] <willemb> When was the update for libc-bin for wheezy released?
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• 1735[11:53:45] <pencilandpaper> Did it drop with 7.10 willemb ?
• 1736[11:54:52] <pencilandpaper> Have you installed a proprietary driver Posterdati ? Or are you using the default nouveau driver?
• 1737[11:55:16] <Posterdati> nouveau
• 1738[11:55:28] <willemb> I dunno. Unattended upgrades for last night: "Preparing to replace libc-bin 2.13-38+deb7u10"
• 1739[11:55:58] <willemb> but there was nothing about libc in the lts anounce mailing list
• 1740[11:57:04] <Posterdati> pencilandpaper: nouveau
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• 1743[11:57:34] <pencilandpaper> Ok willemb . I would search it online and see what you can find out. It has to be somewhere.
• 1744[11:57:35] <Posterdati> pencilandpaper: GeForce 7000M
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• 1747[11:57:48] <pencilandpaper> Ok, so you are using the default driver Posterdati ?
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• 1749[11:58:14] <Posterdati> the nvidia proprietary doesn't work
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• 1752[11:59:25] <pencilandpaper> I see..bummer.
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• 1754[11:59:51] <pencilandpaper> Is everything else in the proper resolution and just your tty's are messed up Posterdati ?
• 1755[12:00:02] <Posterdati> pencilandpaper: exactly
• 1756[12:00:27] <pencilandpaper> Thats deep, I don't know what to say to be honest. Sorry.
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• 1785[12:10:51] <bibek> hi , i'm trying to setup vnc on a headless(no monitor) install of debian. gdm is used by default. i can run the server, and when i try to conect to it. it shows me this --> replaced-url
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• 1790[12:12:24] <bibek> x11vnc -forever -rfbport 5900 -rfbauth /etc/x11vnc.pass -auth ~/.Xauthority -display :0 -bg -shared -xrandr -localhost
• 1791[12:12:36] <bibek> i run this command to start server
• 1792[12:12:52] <cluelessperson> So yeah, I'm using cinnamon
• 1793[12:13:04] <cluelessperson> and when I disconnect ethernet, internet connectsions will not work
• 1794[12:13:09] <cluelessperson> despite being connected by wifi
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• 1824[12:31:53] <mavhq> trying to disable screensaver for information display, using openbox, managed to disable dpms, but screen still blanks, where should I be looking?
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• 1826[12:33:41] <cluelessperson> can someone help me?
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• 1829[12:35:41] <MaBunny> this is the off-hours guys :P
• 1830[12:35:51] <MaBunny> sleeping....zzzzzzzz
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• 1833[12:36:12] <mavhq> cluelessperson: I'd open a terminal window and type ping 8.8.8.8
• 1834[12:36:26] <cluelessperson> mavhq, it's not dns, and it failed
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• 1837[12:36:52] <topi`> how can I remove a certain .deb output from a source package? I'm trying to compile libgpsd from source, but there is some annoying package (libqgps) that it produces which requires libqt4-dev
• 1838[12:37:02] <mavhq> ok, what does ifconfig say about the wifi interface?
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• 1840[12:37:04] <topi`> which requires 200MB of disk I don't have
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• 1842[12:37:23] <topi`> I suppose editing debian/control and debian/rules to get rid of the Qt stuff is enough?
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• 1844[12:37:37] <cluelessperson> mavhq, looks like it was because it was using IPV6
• 1845[12:37:49] <cluelessperson> mavhq, but thanks for speaking up. :)
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• 1858[12:43:55] <topi`> now libbluetooth.so.3 is missing some symbol. If we do not require bluetooth, what's the best way to detach that from gpsd when dpkg-buildpackage'ing?
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• 1889[13:02:18] <MaBunny> guys what happens when we type ctrl-alt-f1 and login via my user name???
• 1890[13:02:33] <MaBunny> i mean what type of terminal is tht???
• 1891[13:02:45] <MaBunny> and what are its uses...its speciality
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• 1899[13:06:11] <TomTomTosch> those are virtual consoles. you can use them is X doesn't want to play nicely.
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• 1901[13:06:17] <TomTomTosch> * if
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• 1904[13:06:56] <teraflops> MaBunny: replaced-url
• 1905[13:07:06] <MaBunny> ok...so they are used when my system crashes??
• 1906[13:09:01] <TomTomTosch> or if you don't want to use a display server for some reason.
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• 1910[13:10:51] <willemb> MaBunny, on servers, you usually don't have X installed at all. that terminal is how you would interact with the machine locally
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• 1912[13:12:16] <MaBunny> ok...i understand
• 1913[13:12:22] <MaBunny> thnx guys :)
• 1914[13:12:52] <cluelessperson> god damn it, I'm getting pissed off because random crap just keeps happening and nothing goes my way
• 1915[13:12:54] <cluelessperson> >.<
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• 1917[13:12:59] <FinalX> heh, and installing X with a window manager usually doubles the amount of packages installed on your system :P
• 1918[13:13:18] <Posterdati> pencilandpaper: I installe plymouth
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• 1927[13:17:41] <cluelessperson> feels like it's held together by paperclips and duct tape, all these desktop environments
• 1928[13:17:43] <cluelessperson> it's embarassing
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• 1940[13:24:30] <cluelessperson> Okay, so debian is connected by wireless, and hexchat works, as you can see
• 1941[13:24:39] <cluelessperson> but chromium isn't using the wireless interface?
• 1942[13:24:47] <cluelessperson> no clue where to even start
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• 1948[13:28:18] <thm> is there a irc channel for backports?
• 1949[13:28:25] <M3B0> cluelessperson:Are you in your personal network? Do you have a proxy in the network? One think that you can look at is yours DNS server configuration. In CLI use the command "cat /etc/resolv.conf" Should have a line with "nameserver <Your DNS server IP>".
• 1950[13:29:03] <cluelessperson> M3B0, No proxy, I do have a openvpn tunnel
• 1951[13:29:14] <cluelessperson> M3B0, nameserver 192.168.0.1
• 1952[13:29:43] <M3B0> cluelessperson: And the machine is resolving DNS names OK?
• 1953[13:30:04] <cluelessperson> M3B0, dig responds well
• 1954[13:30:45] <M3B0> cluelessperson: Just to test: Do another browser works?
• 1955[13:31:40] <cluelessperson> M3B0, hexchat here works, but I don't have another brwoser
• 1956[13:32:03] <FinalX> did you start hexchat before or after your openvpn tunnel? is all traffic routed over your tunnel, or just some range(s)?
• 1957[13:32:04] <cluelessperson> M3B0, apt-get is failing, network not reachable
• 1958[13:32:18] <FinalX> sounds like a routing problem, usually caused by wrong vpn configs
• 1959[13:32:19] <cluelessperson> FinalX, Nothing is configured to route through the tunnel
• 1960[13:32:33] <cluelessperson> FinalX, I'm using the same config in linux mint.
• 1961[13:32:54] <abrotman> thm: I think on OFTC
• 1962[13:33:14] <ksk> hey guys. Are there any limits in ssh(d), pam, the-login-stack(tm) that could get problems if you had a group entry of > :q
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• 1964[13:33:20] <thm> abrotman: thx!
• 1965[13:33:22] <ksk> eh, nervermind, wrong window
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• 1968[13:34:19] <G66K> hello good people
• 1969[13:34:31] <G66K> i was wondering how to open jar with right click
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• 1971[13:34:46] <M3B0> cluelessperson: If it was a routing problem, xchat woul not work.
• 1972[13:34:48] <cluelessperson> G66K, google
• 1973[13:34:59] <abrotman> cluelessperson: if you don't know, you don't have to answer
• 1974[13:35:27] <cluelessperson> abrotman, That's easily googlable. I don't mind someone not knowing something and asking, I do mind when they don't even try themselves.
• 1975[13:35:43] <abrotman> cluelessperson: please keep to your own issues .. don't be a jerk
• 1976[13:35:58] <abrotman> cluelessperson: your answer is equally as googlable ..
• 1977[13:36:05] <cluelessperson> abrotman, I'm not being a jerk. We're not his google whores.
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• 1982[13:36:30] <abrotman> cluelessperson: again, if you don't want to give a useful answer, just ignore the question. Thank you
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• 1984[13:37:24] <G66K> cluelessperson, you think if i found answer in google would i came here
• 1985[13:37:38] <G66K> then if im suppose to go to goole why this channel exist from first place
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• 1988[13:38:52] <abrotman> G66K: They're going go need more details. For starters, which Desktop Environment are you using?
• 1989[13:39:11] <G66K> abrotman, im using jessie
• 1990[13:39:19] <G66K> gnome
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• 1994[13:41:04] <abrotman> G66K: have you attempted to right click and choose Open With to try to set it to use Java to open those extensions?
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• 1997[13:43:16] <G66K> abrotman, the java didnt list on select application
• 1998[13:43:38] <abrotman> G66K: have you installed a JRE? openjdk-7-jre (I think that's the right one for Jessie)
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• 2000[13:44:11] <G66K> abrotman, i have that installed already
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• 2003[13:45:09] <G66K> replaced-url
• 2004[13:45:17] <G66K> this is all package i got install for java
• 2005[13:45:42] <linuxator> why do I get hardware error when I use debian 8 but never with other distros?
• 2006[13:45:44] <abrotman> G66K: you're on amd64?
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• 2008[13:46:14] <TomTomTosch> linuxator: you will have to be more specific. what exactly is the error?
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• 2014[13:46:22] <G66K> abrotman, not im using 32
• 2015[13:47:09] <linuxator> TomTomTosch: it's abot cache error cpu0.I use AMDFX6300
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• 2017[13:48:02] <TomTomTosch> you could try installing the latest microcode.
• 2018[13:48:30] <linuxator> TomTomTosch: you mean updatind BIOS?
• 2019[13:49:16] <TomTomTosch> no, cpu microcode. it's nonfree so it doesn't come with default debian.
• 2020[13:49:38] <TomTomTosch> amd64-microcode is what yours needs.
• 2021[13:49:53] <TomTomTosch> just a guess from what little info you provided.
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• 2024[13:50:47] <linuxator> well,where to get that? the AMD site does not
• 2025[13:51:09] <TomTomTosch> ,i amd64-microcode
• 2026[13:51:10] <judd> Package amd64-microcode (non-free/admin, extra) in jessie/amd64: Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs. Version: 2.20160316.1~deb8u1; Size: 28.9k; Installed: 47k
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• 2028[13:51:28] <TomTomTosch> !tell linuxator about non-free
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• 2030[13:51:36] <linuxator> ah,ok.thanx a lot
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• 2035[13:52:12] <linuxator> TomTomTosch: ok,thanx a lot
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• 2038[13:52:49] <TomTomTosch> linuxator: no problemo. hope it works.
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• 2048[13:58:42] <abrotman> G66K: Seems they changed this a couple of versions ago replaced-url
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• 2051[13:59:41] <G66K> abrotman, thanks a lot i appericiate your help
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• 2215[15:26:21] <gaurav_> Hi
• 2216[15:26:45] <gaurav_> I would love to try and implement a linux filesystem using fuse and would love if someone could help me
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• 2225[15:30:12] <ksk> gaurav_: rather a fuse then a debian question
• 2226[15:30:54] <ksk> while you get help here on fuse usage I doubt you will find support on how to write a fuse filesystem..
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• 2228[15:32:27] <gaurav_> I was hoping if one of you guys could point me to a tutorial... Because while searching, i could not find a good tutorial for this subject matter.
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• 2321[16:08:56] <lalalalae> hi, is it possible to use PPA on Debian?
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• 2333[16:13:04] <antzero> Is it possible to add icons to executables?
• 2334[16:13:36] <antzero> I have kde plasma with "taskbar-like" application bar but some executables doesn't have an icon
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• 2343[16:15:27] <teraflops> lalalalae: you can do whatever you want, it does not mean youre dong things correctly, also dont't dare to come here when your frankendebian gets broken
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• 2346[16:16:11] <lalalalae> teraflops: tbh debian testing is already a frankendebian compared to stable :>
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• 2348[16:16:50] <teraflops> do whatever floats your goat
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• 2357[16:18:28] <bikerr> What happened to tap to click in testing ?
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• 2362[16:19:58] <bikerr> lost on all platforms following testing... ??
• 2363[16:20:01] <bikerr> using xfce
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• 2365[16:20:36] <bikerr> gnome control has the option but ui does not obey
• 2366[16:20:38] <teraflops> ask in #debian-next id's on irc.ofct.net
• 2367[16:20:45] <bikerr> * Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)
• 2368[16:20:50] <bikerr> oh
• 2369[16:21:00] <bikerr> thanks
• 2370[16:21:01] <teraflops> bikerr: my guess is that gnome uses now libinput
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• 2372[16:21:08] <teraflops> *in upstream
• 2373[16:21:15] <bikerr> ah, guess its in transition then
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• 2381[16:22:41] <teraflops> libinput looks like the way to go anyway so you better look forward and go with it
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• 2384[16:23:18] <bikerr> looks very promising yes, been reading about the progress every so often , good times ahead it seems
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• 2386[16:24:06] <lalalalae> I've a config file at "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics-clickpad.conf" but its not read working on Testing so far (was working on Stable) what could have been wrong?
• 2387[16:24:25] <teraflops> ^
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• 2389[16:26:04] <bikerr> option is even gone in xfce settings . maybe it needs to be recompiled with the correct options for libinput, or some nasty bug is preventing it from being enabled at all , i guess, no reply in next yet
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• 2393[16:26:34] <bikerr> btw, oftc doesnt seem to be up, did irc.debian.org instead
• 2394[16:26:55] <themill> umm, irc.debian.org *is* oftc
• 2395[16:26:57] <lalalalae> teraflops: is my problem related to libevent?
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• 2397[16:27:17] <bikerr> strange , oh well, might be dns somewhere here
• 2398[16:27:18] <teraflops> lalalalae: better ask in #debian-next
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• 2400[16:28:00] <lalalalae> "Cannot join channel, you must be invited"
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• 2402[16:28:04] <lalalalae> :/
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• 2405[16:28:50] <teraflops> -> ask in #debian-next id's on irc.ofct.net
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• 2407[16:28:57] <teraflops> oftc*
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• 2409[16:29:20] <han-solo> oftc is up
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• 2412[16:30:18] <teraflops> lots of bots hanging by here
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• 2414[16:30:24] <teraflops> -help
• 2415[16:30:46] <teraflops> ^ help
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• 2419[16:31:12] <teraflops> /ignore add jslave
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• 2433[16:35:08] <themill> -> teraflops you should try prettier arrows in future →
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• 2436[16:35:26] *** jslave was kicked by themill (On the Internet nobody can hear you being subtle.)
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• 2439[16:35:38] <teraflops> sure but I have to learn the unicode :P
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• 2445[16:37:40] <jelly> eh, Compose - >
• 2446[16:37:59] <jelly> →←«»
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• 2450[16:39:22] <teraflops> right
• 2451[16:39:33] <jelly> themill: this channel hasn't had a spring chanserv clear in a while has it
• 2452[16:40:23] <themill> It's autumn!
• 2453[16:40:40] <Infiltra1or> So here's a weird one. Even through I did hdparm -Np...3168 /dev/sda, it seems to keep going back to ...1055, HPA is enabled. Is there anything, like udev rules, that could be causing this?
• 2454[16:41:08] <Infiltra1or> themill: It's bloody winter here, mate. At least it feels like it.
• 2455[16:41:53] <jelly> freakin antipodes
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• 2457[16:42:42] <themill> banana benders don't even know the meaning of the word
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• 2461[16:43:36] <Infiltra1or> Damn banana benders...
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• 2508[17:06:52] <Patero-ng> I had a weird problem can someone shade light onto me? I used mlabel like this: replaced-url
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• 2523[17:12:33] <nkuttler> Patero-ng: um, looks like that is a bash script? set -x it to debug what's actually going on i guess, and please use a text-based pastebin for text
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• 2529[17:15:31] <Patero-ng> nkuttler: -x for mlabel or mtools?
• 2530[17:15:47] <nkuttler> mlabel
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• 2534[17:17:18] <TheSin> is there an easy why to find out why apt wants to remove something I installed, I assuem ti's a conflict with something else that is updating, but what?
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• 2537[17:18:22] <Patero-ng> nkuttler: invalid option -x
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• 2540[17:19:11] <nkuttler> Patero-ng: is mlabel a bash script?
• 2541[17:19:26] <Patero-ng> it's a utility for changing fat labels
• 2542[17:19:34] <nkuttler> Patero-ng: that doesn't answer my question
• 2543[17:19:35] <Patero-ng> so probably not I don't know
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• 2545[17:19:48] <nkuttler> Patero-ng: file `which mlabel`
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• 2551[17:20:44] <Patero-ng> which label works not with file
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• 2559[17:23:33] <nkuttler> Patero-ng: please paste.debian.net the command you used + output
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• 2563[17:24:18] <silverfall> Patero-ng: are you an angular pro? maybe google poweruser?
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• 2567[17:27:31] <jelly> Patero-ng: mtools are a bit out of touch and have always had syntax designed with floppies and DOS compat in mind. Use dosfslabel from dosfstools, they're a bit saner.
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• 2574[17:29:49] <jelly> Patero-ng: and keep in mind < and > characters 1) will be interpreted by your shell 2) are not legal in FAT fs names (so probably not in label, either)
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• 2577[17:30:22] <Patero-ng> nkuttler: the first 3 commands I already put on imgur
• 2578[17:30:40] <Patero-ng> silverfall: what
• 2579[17:30:41] * jelly waits until Patero-ng tries dosfslabel
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• 2582[17:31:30] <Patero-ng> jelly: sweet!
• 2583[17:32:15] <Patero-ng> jelly: I think it renamed fine
• 2584[17:32:34] <Patero-ng> jelly: excuse my english haha
• 2585[17:32:45] <jelly> its syntax is pretty much like e2label
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• 2595[17:35:47] <Patero-ng> jelly: I think is good that it has dos and floppy suntax designed for diskettes and dos for the die hards
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• 2725[18:32:41] <binia> hi
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• 2729[18:33:25] <binia> installed jessie and php 5.6 and got problem with email sending
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• 2733[18:33:46] <binia> tried fixes regarding cert.pem but still wont work
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• 2736[18:34:42] <binia> any help most appreciated
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• 2738[18:35:41] <binia> it wont connect to external smtp server
• 2739[18:35:50] <binia> any way to turn of ssl verification?
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• 2743[18:38:00] <ksk> ...
• 2744[18:38:21] <ksk> binia: please read here: replaced-url
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• 2746[18:38:45] <ksk> these php guys ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 2748[18:38:52] <jhutchins> I wonder what PHP has to do with sending email?
• 2749[18:39:07] <teraflops> Phpmail thingy?
• 2750[18:39:22] <ksk> if you built an smtp client in php..
• 2751[18:39:51] <binia> yeah phpmail
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• 2753[18:40:28] <teraflops> I feel sorry for you ;)
• 2754[18:40:52] <binia> i feel sorry for myself too
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• 2756[18:40:59] <teraflops> Heh
• 2757[18:40:59] <binia> wanted upgrade now i suffer
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• 2761[18:42:38] <binia> whatever i do wont work
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• 2763[18:43:16] <jhutchins> binia: Restore your backup.
• 2764[18:43:45] <binia> you mean go back to wheezy
• 2765[18:43:47] <binia> ?
• 2766[18:43:59] <jhutchins> binia: Whatever you had before.
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• 2769[18:44:44] <binia> very helpful you are
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• 2777[18:45:17] <jhutchins> binia: It's either that or figure out why the connection is failing and where in the PHP code the problem is.
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• 2780[18:45:39] <jhutchins> binia: Verbose logging, step-by-step manual commands...
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• 2783[18:45:57] <binia> its ssl in php
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• 2785[18:46:10] <binia> but after few tutorials still nothing
• 2786[18:46:28] <jhutchins> binia: Did you read the link ksk posted?
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• 2789[18:47:35] <jhutchins> binia: You may be working from tutorials based on earlier versions.
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• 2793[18:47:58] <binia> nah
• 2794[18:48:06] <binia> seen that page but still nothing
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• 2797[18:48:53] <jhutchins> binia: You need to figure out how to see what the actual errors are. If you have access to the logs for the server that will help.
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• 2800[18:49:41] <binia> cant see much errors except cant connect to smtp server
• 2801[18:49:56] <binia> i know ita php 5.6 as it didnt happen on 5.5
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• 2805[18:51:35] <jhutchins> binia: I know you can increase logging in the php.ini file; you can also execute the individual steps of the script manually and see what the output is.
• 2806[18:51:52] <teraflops> Perhaps the errors are shown in the remote server mail.log. But Idk it that would help
• 2807[18:51:58] <jhutchins> binia: With some PHP scripts you can turn output on and off in the header.
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• 2809[18:53:01] <binia> im sure its ssl problem
• 2810[18:53:11] <binia> added cert.pem etc
• 2811[18:53:17] <binia> but damn thing wont work
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• 2814[18:54:41] <Posterdati> hi
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• 2817[18:55:17] <Posterdati> I've got a proble with systemd, it freezes on "Enable support for additional exe..."
• 2818[18:56:04] <binia> teraflops, i went thru all logs and dint found much there
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• 2821[18:56:47] <teraflops> binia: tried in #PHP if any?
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• 2823[18:57:46] <binia> ye im there but fellas not much interested in helping
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• 2826[18:58:15] <teraflops> Heh
• 2827[18:58:44] <lalalalae> how can I reload config changes made in "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/"?
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• 2830[18:59:52] <RinpooChu> hi there does someone know a opensource alternative to bittorrent sync?
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• 2832[19:00:47] <lalalalae> RinpooChu: syncthing
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• 2837[19:01:42] <RinpooChu> thy Ill check that out
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• 2843[19:02:13] <teraflops> Sorry what's bittorrent sync?
• 2844[19:02:19] <RinpooChu> like dropbox
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• 2846[19:02:28] <RinpooChu> but without the 3rd party server
• 2847[19:02:34] <teraflops> Ah
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• 2849[19:03:02] <lalalalae> rsync for the shaved ones :>
• 2850[19:03:02] <teraflops> What's the point of doing it using bittorrent protocol?
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• 2852[19:04:09] <sypher> teraflops: its actually pretty neat - a kind of mesh sync.
• 2853[19:04:28] <teraflops> Is the data encrypted?
• 2854[19:04:32] <lalalalae> yes
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• 2856[19:05:10] <lalalalae> during the transfers atleast
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• 2859[19:05:37] <teraflops> Still don't get the point. But nvm
• 2860[19:06:26] <sypher> teraflops: k?
• 2861[19:06:40] <teraflops> Mackey
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• 2867[19:09:10] <RinpooChu> is it possible to make folders read only and share the folder with friends or on the web?
• 2868[19:09:25] <sypher> RinpooChu: Yes.
• 2869[19:09:31] <RinpooChu> nice
• 2870[19:09:42] <RinpooChu> it kinda looked like I could only use my own devices
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• 2940[19:47:02] <black> Hello dudes!
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• 2942[19:47:22] <jelly> hello dudette
• 2943[19:47:38] <black> jelly: =D
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• 2945[19:47:57] <black> jelly: for you only my dear
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• 2949[19:48:55] <TomTomTosch> smooth.
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• 2982[19:59:41] <black> And when the name of the toys from Toy Story come to an END?! Guess that they'll release another sequel then, right?
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• 2992[20:03:16] <TomTomTosch> well, i'll be retired when that happens so i don't care much.
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• 2997[20:04:32] <black> Katatonia - Stalemate, very good song for a terminal vision =)
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• 3072[20:41:08] <SCO> Hello,i would like to ask is there a bugfix for GNU C Library in Jessie,according to Ubuntu Security notices from 26 May?
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• 3075[20:41:34] <jelly> SCO: do you know a CVE number for that?
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• 3077[20:41:51] <jelly> SCO: if you do, look it up on the
• 3078[20:41:56] <jelly> !tracker of doom
• 3079[20:41:56] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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• 3083[20:42:48] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
• 3084[20:43:13] <ksk> squeeze has no open security bugs? gonna use that now! ;)
• 3085[20:43:20] <Eryn_1983_FL> is .xsession file still the proper place to put my applications/windowmanager start app?
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• 3089[20:44:36] <Eryn_1983_FL> or should i put stuff in /usr/share/xsessions/?
• 3090[20:44:41] <SCO> CVE-2014-9761 is linkid as vulnerable
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• 3093[20:45:06] <markybob> Eryn_1983_FL: replaced-url
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• 3101[20:49:06] <Eryn_1983_FL> hmm
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• 3127[21:01:10] <jelly> SCO: then it is vulnerable. Notes say debian's security team considers it a minor issue
• 3128[21:01:18] <jelly> aaand you're gone
• 3129[21:01:36] * jelly lets it go
• 3130[21:01:36] <AimHere> Just like the SCO group
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• 3134[21:03:38] <ksk> Im not really into that whole SCO stuff, but will they let it go now? ;)
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• 3145[21:08:04] <aw> Does ubuntu support hyper v
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• 3151[21:08:43] <FinalX> aw: Debian is not Ubuntu and vice versa, perhaps you should ask there?
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• 3239[21:43:18] <Arthur_D> whenever I bridge br0 and eth0 I lose connection with the server and it cannot even be pinged, I have to use a rescue console to it and remove the bridging. What am I doing wrong?
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• 3251[21:49:08] <kubrickdave> anyone have small fonts when visiting hacker news (news.ycombinator.com) in iceweasel? i do use liberation fonts as standard aliases.
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• 3258[21:50:01] <kubrickdave> i'm running gnome on stretch.
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• 3260[21:50:49] <TheSin> how does one can an invite to #debian-next?
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• 3262[21:51:10] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
• 3263[21:51:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3264[21:51:18] <TheSin> ah
• 3265[21:51:21] <TomTomTosch> TheSin, kubrickdave ^
• 3266[21:51:28] <kubrickdave> generally font sizes don't seem to match between different fonts.
• 3267[21:51:54] <TheSin> ty kubrickdave
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• 3275[21:54:15] <Andre483> hi, is there a way to configure sendmail so that it doesn't try to send the mail locally? I am trying to send emails and because the domain is matching with the user I am sending it to, it's requiring the user to be local
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• 3299[22:00:26] <agar_agar> Can any one tell me how to change a read only file sytem
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• 3311[22:05:27] <teraflops> agar_agar: nope unless you give more detailed info
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• 3315[22:05:54] <jmcnaught> agar_agar: "mount -o remount,rw /dev/device /media/mount" is how to remount a filesystem in read-write mode
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• 3322[22:08:07] <rdz> hey. what script is called when doing 'dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates'? I get a nice whiptail dialog that adjusts width and height to my terminal and i wonder how it is doing that
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• 3332[22:12:24] <TomTomTosch> the lib used for the TUI is tui. if you want to learn what dpkg-reconfigure does you can read into debconf.
• 3333[22:12:32] <TomTomTosch> * ncurses
• 3334[22:12:38] <TomTomTosch> it's late...
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• 3337[22:13:00] <jmcnaught> rdz: dpkg-reconfigure is a perl script you could read if you want. it's using the debconf system to ask those questions. debconf has a few frontends, the default dialog one uses whiptail or dialog (debconf(7))
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• 3342[22:13:40] <rdz> jmcnaught, ok, but do you know how whiptail knows the terminal width and height?
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• 3345[22:14:40] <TomTomTosch> i think that's a function in curses.
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• 3350[22:16:15] <rdz> TomTomTosch, ah.. i'll check.. thanks
• 3351[22:16:27] <TomTomTosch> interesting. it doesn't resize for me. are you on testing/unstable?
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• 3356[22:17:21] <rdz> TomTomTosch, I'm on jessie
• 3357[22:17:38] <rdz> TomTomTosch, do you have package xterm installed?
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• 3362[22:18:04] <rdz> it comes with 'resize' command which seems to do that.. i wonder if resizing is dependent whether xterm is installed or not
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• 3364[22:18:09] <rdz> i seem to have it installed
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• 3366[22:18:36] <rdz> ah no., i don't have it installed
• 3367[22:18:47] <rdz> so there seems to be another way
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• 3391[22:27:14] <winsen> Hi all
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• 3395[22:28:57] <winsen> I had problem to open ntfs partition, this is error message: replaced-url
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• 3398[22:30:15] <mtn> winsen: looks like fast startup was turned on in windows when you shut it down.
• 3399[22:30:27] <winsen> mtn: sorry?
• 3400[22:30:28] <mtn> winsen: replaced-url
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• 3432[22:42:15] <winsen> mtn: ok thank you. on the hand it seems to be less useful for windoz once I remove fast startup.
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• 3435[22:42:40] <winsen> mtn: thanks again
• 3436[22:44:10] <catbehem1th> when I am setting up a bridge with ipv6 after iface br0 inet6 static i have address and gateway etc lines, do I need to repeat bridge_ports eth0 eth1 and bridge_stp off? or having it under iface br0 inet static is enough?
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• 3447[22:47:44] <Die> Hat debian UEFI -Unterstützung haben
• 3448[22:48:00] <markybob> !de
• 3449[22:48:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1682
• 3450[22:48:00] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
• 3451[22:48:08] <markybob> i assume that was german anyway
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• 3453[22:48:28] <TomTomTo1> about as german as blinkenlights.
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• 3458[22:49:07] <zh1> any decent free software pdf editor for debian?
• 3459[22:50:20] <unborn> pdf editor? inkspace?
• 3460[22:50:32] <TomTomTosch> zh1: bunch. you will have to see which one smell nice to you. replaced-url
• 3461[22:50:40] <unborn> I dont know if there is any pdf editor
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• 3467[22:53:06] <catbehemoth> I want to create a bridge and enable ipv6 on it (I have net.ipv6.conf.br0.autoconf=0 because I want for everything to be fully manual) do I need to have bridge_stp off and bridge_ports eth0 eth1 under inet and inet6 or having in under inet is sufficient in /etc/network/interfaces?
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• 3469[22:53:18] <zh1> TomTomTosch, i dont get why this is on list, "pdfedit was an editor for manipulating PDF documents; it is no longer available in debian"
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• 3471[22:53:56] <markybob> squeeze is still debian
• 3472[22:54:16] <Dagger> catbehemoth: my gut feeling is "no, just inet is enough", but I looked through all my systems and it turns out I've never tried doing that
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• 3474[22:55:07] <Dagger> catbehemoth: in one case I used `up ip addr add 2001:db8::2/64 dev $IFACE` instead of a separate stanza
• 3475[22:55:09] <TomTomTosch> zh1: because someone thought it to be a good idea to keep it on the list. it's a wiki.
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• 3477[22:55:44] <catbehemoth> Dagger: it's a headless machine that authenticates through ipv6 with AD so if I screw it up I need to find a monitor and keyboard (and most importantly the box itself) to restore everything, kinda need to be sertain lol
• 3478[22:56:40] <catbehemoth> Dagger: I just put it under both and try, wish me luck :D
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• 3480[22:56:54] <Dagger> catbehemoth: hold on, testing
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• 3484[22:58:16] <Dagger> catbehemoth: seems to work fine with it just under one
• 3485[22:58:32] <catbehemoth> Dagger: thanks! brb trying
• 3486[22:58:32] * Enchanted Miss You
• 3487[22:58:33] <Dagger> (I have inet first with the bridge config, and inet6 second with just an "address" line)
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• 3494[23:00:05] <catbehemoth> Dagger: one last thing I laways had 2 dns-nameservers lines one for ipv6 and one for ipv4 and it worked fine, do you know if I can combine then into one line? have both ipv4 address and ipv6 address on same dns-nameservers line?
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• 3498[23:00:41] <Dagger> catbehemoth: ah, wait, there is one problem: when you do `ifdown br0`, Debian will destroy the bridge when it processes the inet section
• 3499[23:01:10] <Dagger> catbehemoth: then it attempts to flush the v6 addresses for the inet6 section, which fails because the bridge is gone
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• 3502[23:02:33] <catbehemoth> Dagger: am i better of creating 2 bridges? one for ipv6 and one for ipv4? seems too complex for something that simple
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• 3504[23:02:48] <Dagger> catbehemoth: (for me, that *seems* to cause no problems, but the error message annoyed me so I switched to "up"/"down" lines in the inet stanza for the v6 address)
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• 3506[23:03:24] <Andre483> hi, I need to come up with a hostname for a server but I am not sure. any recommendations?
• 3507[23:03:43] <Dagger> catbehemoth: not sure about DNS servers (you can do them in /e/n/i?)
• 3508[23:04:00] <Dagger> catbehemoth: definitely not two bridges, that won't work
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• 3510[23:04:16] <teraflops> Andre483: I use Lotr locations
• 3511[23:04:20] <markybob> Andre483: any word ever typed. or whatever your cat types on your keyboard. nothing could matter less.
• 3512[23:04:36] <Andre483> well, I am reading articles where they are saying it should contain helpful information
• 3513[23:04:54] <Andre483> like this hcluster3-web1.sjc.sl.serverdensity.net
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• 3515[23:05:01] <markybob> if you're in a company with many machines. obviously you're not
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• 3518[23:05:48] <catbehemoth> Dagger: yeah you can using dns-nameservers (replaced-url
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• 3521[23:06:11] <Andre483> no one will actually know that hostname but internally it will be used heavily
• 3522[23:06:26] <Dagger> catbehemoth: grumble, that's not in the manpage
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• 3524[23:06:46] <Andre483> agreed, it's just one server though
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• 3527[23:07:15] <markybob> Andre483: name it your favorite actor. superman. anything.
• 3528[23:07:20] <TomTomTosch> call it gunter then.
• 3529[23:07:29] <catbehemoth> Dagger: I think I simply set up ips for my eth0 and eth1 interfaces and a different one for the bridge, that way Illtest everything before getting rid of eth0 and eth1 config
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• 3531[23:07:38] <Andre483> shouldn't it be reflective of what the purpose of the server is mainly for though?
• 3532[23:07:48] <teraflops> Not at all
• 3533[23:07:55] <markybob> no
• 3534[23:08:00] <TomTomTosch> Andre483: if you want to. do what you feel like.
• 3535[23:08:09] <Dagger> catbehemoth: you need to have no IPs on bridge member interfaces though
• 3536[23:08:16] <Andre483> this particular server will be running mysql, tomcat
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• 3539[23:08:31] <Andre483> I was thinking of calling it servlet but it's probably not the best name
• 3540[23:08:37] <markybob> Andre483: call it mycat
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• 3542[23:09:19] <catbehemoth> Andre483: I usually follow replaced-url
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• 3544[23:09:48] <Andre483> catbehemoth: this is perfect! thank you
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• 3548[23:10:29] <Andre483> just out of curiosity, is it difficult to setup clustering
• 3549[23:11:04] <Andre483> does it require for the applications to be re-designed or is it strictly an infrastructure effort?
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• 3551[23:11:16] <markybob> Andre483: not generally. i assume you're talking about multiple vps
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• 3555[23:12:28] <teraflops> Andre483: you mean high availability?
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• 3559[23:13:10] <Andre483> for this particular server, it's running a mobile web app servlet. it requires a ton of memory and quite a bit of processing power... just thinking what effort it would be to setup multiple servers
• 3560[23:13:30] <Andre483> the database instance would need to be synced through all of them
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• 3563[23:13:46] <markybob> Andre483: basically none.
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• 3568[23:14:07] <markybob> Andre483: big players like linode automate all of this
• 3569[23:14:19] <markybob> Andre483: not to mention amazon
• 3570[23:14:26] <Andre483> this is great news :)
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• 3574[23:15:11] <catbehemoth> Andre483: something like aws should be perfect it scales with you needs, just get more cpus and more memory, for you it will always look like one machine
• 3575[23:15:30] <catbehemoth> err or is it ec2
• 3576[23:15:37] <catbehemoth> always confuse those
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• 3579[23:16:17] <teraflops> Ha is easy as hell to setup on amazon or azure
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• 3590[23:18:08] <catbehemoth> Dagger: worked with inet and inet6 no errors on down
• 3591[23:18:13] <catbehemoth> Dagger: so I leave it as is
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• 3593[23:19:02] <Dagger> catbehemoth: wonder why I get errors then. oh well
• 3594[23:19:16] <Sark> Just did a fresh install on a laptop, and have a *weird* bug with X. I can't get to the other consoles with ctrl-alt and the function keys
• 3595[23:19:35] <Sark> And it seems like X is on the wrong console, it's on F1 instead of F7
• 3596[23:19:43] <Sark> F2-F7 just produce a black screen, no console
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• 3601[23:20:11] <markybob> Sark: it changed in jessie. are you using the magic fn key in conjunction?
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• 3605[23:20:52] <Sark> Magic fn key?
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• 3607[23:21:14] <Sark> I'm just using ctrl-alt-Fx
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• 3609[23:21:18] <markybob> yes. every laptop i've seen in a long time has a magic fn key
• 3610[23:21:18] <Sark> How do I fix it?
• 3611[23:21:39] <Sark> oh, yeah - that fn key
• 3612[23:21:42] <Sark> no, I'm not using that
• 3613[23:21:46] <Sark> just ctrl alt
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• 3615[23:22:01] <markybob> well try it
• 3616[23:22:28] <markybob> i have to get going but i'm sure others will take over
• 3617[23:22:44] <Sark> It doesn't work. Like I said, ctrl alt F2 gives me a black screen
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• 3671[23:42:31] <MaBunny> guys how do i connect to freenode via this irc client ---> replaced-url
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• 3676[23:44:23] <MaBunny> guys???
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• 3679[23:45:20] <MaBunny> i mean does freenode forbid connection via old irc clients??
• 3680[23:45:29] <Pseudo> issit a new terminal irc client?
• 3681[23:45:30] <Pseudo> wow
• 3682[23:45:53] <MaBunny> no...its a terminal irc client as close as to xchat and mirc
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• 3684[23:46:17] <Pseudo> MaBunny: not i think and as long as you can provide the correct server and port it should can be connected
• 3685[23:46:24] <MaBunny> im talking to you guys via hexchat...and hav tht client open too
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• 3687[23:46:38] <MaBunny> then what is it pls tell :0
• 3688[23:46:41] <MaBunny> *;)
• 3689[23:46:47] <Pseudo> /server irc.freenode.net 6667 <---non ssl try this
• 3690[23:46:54] <MaBunny> ok
• 3691[23:47:20] <Pseudo> or maybe it could be as /server irc.freenode.net:6667
• 3692[23:47:56] <Pseudo> damn its just like bitchs but with a proper nicklist
• 3693[23:47:57] <xarragon> I am writing some udev rules and they ain't working. I have changed /etc/udev.conf to debug and restarted udev. Where the heck does the debug output end up?
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• 3695[23:48:00] <Pseudo> *botchx
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• 3700[23:48:53] <Pseudo> *bitchx
• 3701[23:48:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> xarragon, dmesg, maybe?
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• 3703[23:49:12] <MaBunny> ok thnx Psuedo it worked :D
• 3704[23:49:17] <xarragon> CutMeOwnThroat: No, tried that as well as journalctl -xa
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• 3709[23:50:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh my, it's systemdified
• 3710[23:50:09] <xarragon> And udevadm test shows the rules being loaded probably
• 3711[23:50:10] <MaBunny> hi im back
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• 3713[23:50:17] <MaBunny> from the terminal :P
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• 3717[23:50:38] <xarragon> CutMeOwnThroat: udev and systemd is tied together, yes.. to my chagrain
• 3718[23:50:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> xarragon, did you restart systemd-udevd.service?
• 3719[23:50:53] <xarragon> CutMeOwnThroat: no, good point
• 3720[23:51:08] <CutMeOwnThroat> seems you could also run /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --debug or so
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• 3724[23:52:29] <xarragon> wow, i love systemd logs.. they are about as much use as Window's logs
• 3725[23:52:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> ah, no, nothing can be as useful as that
• 3726[23:52:58] <CutMeOwnThroat> except the windows help, maybe
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• 3729[23:53:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> anyway, it's the same log messages as before
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• 3731[23:53:34] <Zorroness> Howdy fellow debian people!
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• 3734[23:54:09] <xarragon> CutMeOwnThroat: My guess is that the debug goes to the command-line monitor output or similar..
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• 3738[23:55:56] <xarragon> CutMeOwnThroat: Well I probably did something simple wrong, I will dig through the tutorials/manuals once more.
• 3739[23:56:00] <CutMeOwnThroat> xarragon, man 8 systemd-udevd.service is your friend... and no.... I see udev messages all the time when plugging in/out usb devices
• 3740[23:56:01] <xarragon> CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks for all your help.
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• 3742[23:56:37] <xarragon> CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, sweet didnt know they had man pages for those
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• 3744[23:57:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's not as informative as I thought it is when I started typing the sentence, though
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• 3750[23:58:48] <xarragon> CutMeOwnThroat: Btw, this particular system is actually running arch linux, hence the difference..
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