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12 [00:04:39] <nmschulte> Does anyone use anacron to manage
daily tasks? Do you find the default config works for you, to get
those tasks run?
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16 [00:06:24] <stevessss> so.. one debian system calls a package
flite-dev... another calls it libflite1-dev.. neither makrs the
other package as installed and both install the same files
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18 [00:06:39] <stevessss> how do I trick an install script into
thinking my system has both using dpkg command line?
19 [00:06:50] <stevessss> maybe apt-mark?
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24 [00:08:00] <stevessss> so.. I want it to say libflite1-dev is
installed(when there is no such package for my distro) and to
provide the same version and file-list as flite-dev
25 [00:08:09] <stevessss> when I query this with dpkg
command-line
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31 [00:11:13] <evotopid> nmschulte: Do you have specific issues
with anacron? I haven't used it since I use systemd timers, I
think both are trying to provide similar functionality though.
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35 [00:12:44] <nmschulte> evotopid: after looking into things,
it looks like the default config in debian for Anacron is basically
useless, unless your time is sync'd a lot (NTP or w/e drives
systemd's time-sync.target).
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38 [00:13:34] <nmschulte> Or, your machine is always on at a
proper hour during the day. Otherwise, it doesn't really expose
the magic that is Anacron, you're just left w/ cron-like
behavior. Over shorter time-scales (order of a day) the config
doesn't help. over a week/month, it might.
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60 [00:21:47] <jim> themill, are you here?
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89 [00:28:44] <jim> themill, anyway, your bot judd threw an
error message "An error has occurred and has been logged.
Please contact this bot's administrator for more
informaton." when I did "pciid [8086:095a] --release
stretch"
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92 [00:29:37] <themill> poor bot... thanks. I'll add that
to the todo list
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97 [00:32:07] <themill> Due to various changes in the kernel
packaging, the pciid stuff is completely busted for stretch and sid
atm. I basically need to rewrite from scratch (which is work in
(slow) progress)
98 [00:32:07] <skiddie> im a SKRIPT KIDDIE!
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100 [00:32:36] <skiddie> i need SKRIPTZ!
101 [00:32:49] <skiddie> MORE SKRIPTZ TO H4X0R PEEPLE
102 [00:32:54] <themill> skiddie: that's enough thanks.
103 [00:33:06] <evotopid> nmschulte: Maybe you would have more
luck contacting the maintainer or filing a feature request ?
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104 [00:33:13] <skiddie> themill: enough of me being a script
kiddie or just enough of the all caps?
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107 [00:33:46] <nmschulte> evotopid: I am trying to solicit input
so I don't look dumb -- I'm going to submit a patch /
feature request as you suggest.
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111 [00:34:34] <nmschulte> It seems odd no one else has noticed
this, but then again, I'm just now discovering wtf anacron
does, so ...
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120 [00:38:17] <evotopid> nmschulte: I am sorry but I really am
no expert on anacron. My guess is that it might be getting less
attention these days since there are systemd timers which bring all
kinds of scheduling functionality on the desk and most of us are
using systemd already anyway.
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127 [00:44:01] <scriptkiddie> hi
128 [00:44:12] <scriptkiddie> 0x000003
129 [00:44:16] <scriptkiddie> 0x000087
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131 [00:44:28] <scriptkiddie> 0x0fe87d
132 [00:44:33] <scriptkiddie> 0x987f7a
133 [00:44:39] <scriptkiddie> 0x99c87b
134 [00:44:46] <scriptkiddie> 0x9176dd
135 [00:44:52] <scriptkiddie> 0x29876b
136 [00:44:58] <scriptkiddie> 0xba08d7
137 [00:45:25] <scriptkiddie> 0x2997ef
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139 [00:45:42] <bazhang> scriptkiddie, really?
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142 [00:45:52] <themill> scriptkiddie: when you've grown up,
let me know
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144 [00:46:51] <phogg> he was just in ##linux doing this until he
got banned
145 [00:47:42] <elky> it's just geeknerd, he wants the
attention
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375 [01:30:43] <Plushwolf> Yay, I can join without +l error!
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397 [01:42:18] <Plushwolf> Does Debian have drivers for Intel
Ethernet I219V ?
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401 [01:44:36] <abrotman> do yo uhave the PCI ID?
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405 [01:47:05] <echosystm> hi guys
406 [01:47:28] <echosystm> half my traffic goes over a vpn and
the other half just goes through the normal wan interface
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410 [01:47:57] <echosystm> i want to ensure ingress traffic
through the VPN never takes up more than 75% of the bandwidth
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413 [01:48:13] <echosystm> or alternatively, normal traffic takes
a higher priority to vpn traffic
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416 [01:48:35] <echosystm> my vpn currently uses UDP, but i can
make it use TCP instead if needed
417 [01:48:44] <echosystm> is this possible somehow? if so,
what's the best way?
418 [01:49:13] <bazhang> try ##networking echosystm
419 [01:49:21] <echosystm> ok thanks
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427 [01:54:32] <green_tea> hi does anyone here know if it's
possible to reconstruct a corrupted .7z on a fat32 thumb stick?
428 [01:54:53] <johnkeates> depends on the damage
429 [01:54:59] <johnkeates> if 99% of the file is gone, then nope
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431 [01:55:14] <green_tea> I think it's a small portion
432 [01:55:32] <johnkeates> so maybe 77%?
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434 [01:56:12] <green_tea> how can I see I have it here in my
comp
435 [01:56:26] <johnkeates> you open it in a hex editor and look
for FF's and 00's
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437 [01:57:03] <green_tea> Error splicing file: Input/output
error
438 [01:57:04] <johnkeates> unless the file isn't damaged,
but has complete missing parts
439 [01:57:09] <johnkeates> ah
440 [01:57:11] <johnkeates> so the USB drive is dead
441 [01:57:21] <green_tea> it still works though
442 [01:57:28] <johnkeates> apparently it doesn't
443 [01:57:34] <johnkeates> either your computer is lying, or you
are
444 [01:57:36] <johnkeates> :p
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446 [01:58:01] <green_tea> 88.5 mb of the data.7z transfers of
the 92.4
447 [01:58:18] <green_tea> and I used to to transfer photos after
too
448 [01:58:28] <green_tea> and it's unusable
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455 [02:02:09] <green_tea> ok
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487 [02:32:32] <green_tea> hi again, does anyone here know how to
enable Aide?
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493 [02:34:52] <missmbob> sudo apt install aide
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495 [02:35:46] <green_tea> sudo: apt: command not found
496 [02:35:55] <green_tea> I'm running debian-mate btw
497 [02:36:07] <missmbob> then use apt-get instead.
498 [02:36:38] <green_tea> E: Invalid operation aide
499 [02:36:53] <missmbob> install aide. not just aide
500 [02:37:05] <green_tea> I have from the synaptic package
manager
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508 [02:47:42] <jscoder> I'm trying to install debian amd64
on this box but the dvd rom is broken so I booted from another
debian install on a USB drive and am trying to do a
debootstrap/chroot install and I'm having issues because this
install is i386 arch and is unable to run the apps I'm
installing into the target
509 [02:48:06] <jscoder> how can I at least get the internal hdd
bootable with the amd64 install so I can proceed?
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511 [02:49:08] <jscoder> I can't chroot to it because bash
is 64bit and the host is 32bit
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513 [02:50:13] <missmbob> jscoder: why dont you copy the amd64
netinst image iso to the usb flash drive like everyone else does?
514 [02:51:08] <jscoder> missmbob: because I don't have a
drive that doesnt already have a full os installed to it. my
thumbdrive is not running live, its a fully installed system with
data on it
515 [02:51:41] <awal1> green_tea: which exact command are you
typing ?
516 [02:51:52] <jscoder> if I absolutely have to get another
drive thats what I'll have to do, or setup pxe boot or some
other rube method.. but I was first trying to find out if I can
somehow do it from here
517 [02:52:43] <jscoder> there is nothing I'm aware of that
I can do from this point running this 32bit debian on the USB hdd to
at least get the internal hdd bootable with amd64
518 [02:53:12] <awal1> oh, forget it. I think you're running
kali linux, if my memory is good :P
519 [02:53:13] <jscoder> short of putting this usb hdd on another
computer and setting up a tftp server and booting this box over pxe
520 [02:53:51] <green_tea> awal1 when I type Aide it says
Couldn't open file
/var/lib/aide/please-dont-call-aide-without-parameters/aide.db for
reading
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522 [02:54:16] <awal1> green_tea: kali?
523 [02:54:23] <green_tea> no debian-mate
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525 [02:54:46] <green_tea> I know what kali is though but
I'd be in a kali room then
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527 [02:55:35] <jscoder> if the damn DVD rom wasn't broke I
could just install using my amd64 dvd, but its a damn small form
factor box with a laptop style dvd rom drive I dont have a spare for
and I can't use my laptop to install because it neither
supports amd64 nor sata to support the source or target media
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530 [02:56:49] <missmbob> green_tea: you need to create a
database first. aidee --init
531 [02:56:49] <awal1> green_tea, ok, I haven't tried that
program; check it's manuals/docs. not a debian system related
532 [02:57:05] <jscoder> I guess I'll go make something to
eat and try find another USB drive.. the netinst would probably fit
on a very small device.. I may have an mp3 player or something
that'll work :-P
533 [02:57:07] <Arcaire>
"please-dont-call-aide-without-parameters"
534 [02:57:33] <missmbob> awal1: he hasn't tried/read either
535 [02:58:07] <themill> If only someone would write a
/usr/share/doc/aide*/README.Debian.gz
536 [02:58:14] <missmbob> green_tea: you need to learn how to use
the program. the --init was only a start.
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538 [02:58:25] <green_tea> thanks
539 [02:58:32] <awal1> missmbob, seems , yeah
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560 [03:08:05] <n4dir> jscoder: probably something round the
lines of this, 1.3) and 1.4) (i did it in the past, but don't
recall well):
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561 [03:08:31] <n4dir> there it is the other way around, but i
guess it is similar (guess or hope)
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569 [03:10:08] <jscoder> n4dir: probably not because amd64 will
run i386 but not the other way around. I found a thumbdrive with
only like 200mb of data on it, I'm just gonna back it up to a
zip file and put an installer on it thats amd64 I guess. Thanks
anyway.
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571 [03:10:46] <n4dir> like said: pretty sure i did it. but
anyway.
572 [03:11:54] <jscoder> hmm.. well I'd rather use D-I now
that I have a way to do it.. its a bit of a pita trying to make sure
you install everything you need doing it manually
573 [03:12:07] <n4dir> that for sure
574 [03:12:51] <missmbob> jscoder: do you need non-free firmware?
575 [03:13:21] <jscoder> missmbob: doubt it, this is one of those
dell optiplex desktops its all intel by the look of it
576 [03:13:46] <jscoder> little pizzabox sized industrial lookin
thing
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578 [03:14:05] <n4dir> real debian users install non-free
firmware, wether they need it or not.
579 [03:14:42] <jscoder> haha.. thats ridiculous.. debian is all
about being DFSG free
580 [03:14:42] <zykotick9> n4dir: i couldn't disagree
more... ymmv
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582 [03:15:52] <n4dir> go through the logs. has not much to do
with mileage.
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598 [03:29:27] <melted_> so, I'm in synaptic and there seems
to be significantly less packages available, I know I probably need
to add some repos (which I know how to do), but could use a point in
the right direction
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602 [03:30:43] <melted_> for instance, the only media player I
seem to be able to find is vlc, the only game is flightgear
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604 [03:31:21] <melted_> also I get some warning or error
messages when I try to install xscreensaver or related pkgs
605 [03:31:43] <n4dir> ! sources.list
606 [03:31:43] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
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609 [03:32:41] <n4dir> posting your actual sources.list
won't hurt, if unsure or the above doesn't make it clear
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617 [03:37:43] <missmbob> paste your sources.list to
paste.debian.net
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619 [03:38:22] <awal1> ...
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630 [03:47:40] <melted_>
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633 [03:49:08] <missmbob> melted_: that looks good. you might
want to add contrib and non-free after main on all the lines
634 [03:49:39] <missmbob> melted_: and since you mentioned media
earlier i use mpv (which debian has)
635 [03:49:56] <missmbob> ,v mpv
636 [03:49:57] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2;
sid: 0.23.0-1; stretch: 0.23.0-1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1;
sid-multimedia: 1:0.23.0-dmo2
637 [03:50:38] <missmbob> i really wish dmo would just disappear
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642 [03:52:26] <melted_> "Could not download all repository
indexes"
643 [03:52:57] <missmbob> so pastebin a *complete* sources.list
(looks like you cut off the end)
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646 [03:55:02] <melted_>
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650 [03:57:20] <missmbob> this is a live system isnt it?
651 [03:57:30] <dvs> melted: The first four lines are wrong. The
are missing the word "debian" DIRECTLY after the
deb.debian.org/ (no space)
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655 [04:00:22] <melted_> dvs, I tried that but then it gave me
the error again
656 [04:00:38] <melted_> missmbob, no, this is an installed
system
657 [04:00:54] <n4dir> i am a big fan of copy and paste, try
this:
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659 [04:01:09] <dvs> dpkg, tell melted_ about jessie sources.list
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661 [04:01:53] <n4dir> you will need to comment or remove your
other entries, whatevery you prefer. then update (either apt-get
update or aptitude whatever, probably update)
662 [04:02:09] <n4dir> and you probably don't need the src
lines (if you need them you know it).
663 [04:02:16] <n4dir> sorry: deb-src
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667 [04:07:50] <melted_> got three failed to fetch errors
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672 [04:08:26] <dvs> melted_, erase the lines that dpkg did not
tell you about.
673 [04:08:37] <missmbob> can you ping deb.debian.org?
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676 [04:09:54] <n4dir> pastebin the whole error including the
command.
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693 [04:18:34] <melted_> typing it by hand since I don't
know how to export text from the terminal to the clipboard
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695 [04:18:52] <missmbob> !pastebinit
696 [04:18:52] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send
data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
users, you must "pastebinit -b
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701 [04:25:53] <green_tea> hi
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703 [04:26:07] <melted_> the problem seemed to be that it
couldn't find the URL with security.debian.org
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705 [04:26:22] <melted_> after disabling that one, things seem to
be peachy
706 [04:26:50] <green_tea> I'm having a problem mounting an
external usb drive: rror mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option,
bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
707 [04:26:50] <green_tea> missing codepage or helper program, or
other error
708 [04:26:50] <green_tea> In some cases useful info is found in
syslog - try
709 [04:26:50] <green_tea> dmesg | tail or so
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712 [04:27:24] <green_tea> having a problem mounting a usb hd
713 [04:27:31] <missmbob> melted_: that's important. make it
be "deb
replaced-url
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715 [04:27:35] <missmbob> with no quotes
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720 [04:32:28] <melted_> thanks for yr help!
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786 [05:23:46] <nmschulte> Does anyone have a customized
/etc/issue (prelogin message) to share? One Debian specific would be
neat, but I'm curious to see regardless.
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791 [05:26:51] <OS-26584> shois OS-26584
792 [05:26:57] <OS-26584> whois 26584
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827 [06:13:45] <lafleurdubien> Can anybody explain how to get
files off of a corrupted LVM partition?
828 [06:13:57] <lafleurdubien> Two drives, each one with a
containing a single LVM partition. The system they were in
previously is no longer bootable. Both drives appear to be corrupted
and I'm unable to successfully mount them on another Linux box.
Is there any way to get the files from it?!
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844 [06:37:59] <kevlarman> lafleurdubien: if the drive is in the
middle of failing then imaging it is probably the first thing you
should do, then see what fsck has to say about it
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892 [07:10:29] <john_rambo>
replaced-url
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895 [07:12:00] <missmbob> rm /etc/grub.d/40_custom.save
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898 [07:13:11] <WildPenguin> yesterday, someone here posted a
youtube link of a documentary on Adolf Hitler. That was really eye
opening.
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900 [07:13:33] <GPenguin> yeah, maybe. but its not topic here
901 [07:13:55] <WildPenguin> ok.
902 [07:14:27] <WildPenguin> Was really shocked to see, how a big
lie has been put before our eyes.
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904 [07:14:47] <GPenguin> you just say okay with a full stop and
go on about it. how rude
905 [07:15:05] <WildPenguin> What?
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907 [07:15:41] <john_rambo> missmbob, Worked thanks .....
replaced-url
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910 [07:16:52] <kevlarman> john_rambo: grub2 should be able to
handle that automatically, just decide which one you want to stuff
in the mbr and run the update script for that one
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913 [07:17:44] <john_rambo> kevlarman, I tried running
update-grub2 but it didnt detect Tiny Core
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918 [07:19:04] <EnRobot> Hello, i have dual boot linux &
windows but today linux parameters at grub missing including
advanced for recovery. How to fix this problem?
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924 [07:22:12] <kevlarman> john_rambo: os-prober doesn't see
it?
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927 [07:23:12] <john_rambo> kevlarman, os-prober is installed but
when I run sudo update-grub2 it doesnt detect Tiny Core
928 [07:24:21] <WildPenguin> is that video on youtube banned?
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931 [07:26:03] <themill> WildPenguin: it's spam and not
welcome in #debian
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937 [07:27:31] <WildPenguin> ok
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959 [07:42:10] <dionysus69> do I need to worry about this?
replaced-url
960 [07:42:16] <dionysus69> I mean the latest intel driver
961 [07:42:39] <dionysus69> atm it shows Intel® HD Graphics
5500 (Broadwell GT2) in details
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980 [07:53:30] <neglesaks> good morning. it seems that clamAV is
non-funtional when installed pr. default. I dont see any packages
missing in SYnaptic. Any attemp at scanning gimes an immediage
"no infections found": Number of signatures in database
also shows as zero. any suggestions?
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1000 [08:11:23] <WildPenguin> hello, how can I get Debian OS with
all the needed packages installed on a pendrive so that I can carry
that with me, to be used without having to install the OS on the
hard drive?
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1003 [08:11:51] <WildPenguin> I want all the packages installed on
the pendrive itself.
1004 [08:12:03] <WildPenguin> is it possible?
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1010 [08:13:56] <towo^work> install debian on usb like you would
do to internal harddisc
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1018 [08:20:19] <superman8> how to fixed boot with no option to
entering linux system?
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1047 [08:32:49] <bolt> superman8: what do you mean?
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1049 [08:33:18] <bolt> superman8: if your system doesn't boot
at all, you can boot from an external device, chroot to your
installed system and fix whatever the issue is
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1054 [08:33:53] <bolt> superman8: it's hard to be more
specific when i don't know what you mean by "no option to
entering linux system"
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1079 [08:51:19] <Iota> Good morning, world!
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1083 [08:53:27] <ThomasAA> Can't set openvpn to start after
network interface is up. I've tried setting Wants= and After=
in the unit file
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1123 [09:13:45] <superman8> bolt: normaly when we start pc grub
appear to choose os we need to login, for example by default linux
is primary os, then windows is secondary, but now there is no linux
at grub
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1132 [09:17:52] <bolt> superman8: but you can boot windows?
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1135 [09:18:42] <superman8> yes
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1138 [09:19:43] <bolt> superman8: well, use windows to create a
bootable usb stick or a cd, with linux on it, boot from that, mount
your linux installation and fix whatever is broken. running
update-grub in a chroot might give some hints
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1141 [09:20:54] <bolt> superman8: you could also muck about with
grub to attempt to boot manually, but i'm assuming something is
broken on your linux installation since it wasn't added to the
menu. thus manual booting probably wouldn't work
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1151 [09:25:26] <superman8> actually the installation for debian
is done, previously is working fine, until just now, when I reboot
the system, debian option is not appear in grub, Windows is the only
option
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1158 [09:28:35] <bolt> superman8: you still have to do the same.
something is broken.
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1160 [09:29:01] <somiaj> superman8: so grub is still there, but
only has windows option? Or it just boots into windows? Wonder if
you removed your kernels. Anyways
1161 [09:29:04] <somiaj> !fixmbr
1162 [09:29:04] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
1163 [09:29:13] <somiaj> something like that, once you chroot into
your system you may have to see what is going on
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1167 [09:30:59] <hyper_ch> hi there, does anyone know by heart if
current Jessie ISO still needs to apply LogJam settings or is that
all integreated meanwhile?
1168 [09:31:01] <superman8> somiaj: yes, only has window option,
grub is still there
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1174 [09:33:48] <somiaj> superman8: you'll have to boot from
a recovery/live system, chroot into your system and see what is
going on. Sounds like no kernel packages were isntalled
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1177 [09:35:20] <hyper_ch> ah, jessie still has openssl v 1.0.1
1178 [09:36:06] <somiaj> well jessie tries to avoid changing
versions of packages as it is frozen, so that is to be exepcted.
1179 [09:36:21] <somiaj> (not this isn't always the case, but
almost always is).
1180 [09:36:32] <somiaj> did you check jessie-backports?
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1189 [09:41:22] <GPenguin> jessie is stable since quote some time.
the next stable relase is the frozen stetch :)
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1196 [09:43:36] <Drzacek> Hi. Is there a way to create install
medium based on current system? So I could install all packages I
want, remove those that I don't etc? Maybe some extra
personalization?
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1199 [09:45:28] <somiaj> !aptitude clone
1200 [09:45:28] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude
(or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search
--disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on
the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install <
package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves
information about "automatically installed" packages that
other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to
backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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1204 [09:45:41] <somiaj> Drzacek: one of many ways to clone the
current list of isntalled packges.
1205 [09:46:31] <Drzacek> somiaj, doesn't that require the
target machine to already have debian installed?
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1208 [09:48:15] <Drzacek> I was installing debian mutliple times
recently, and it always takes very long - I have to install debian,
then upgrade to stretch, then set few fs to mount, then install all
the programming ide/packages etc. I would like to create ready
medium so I only have to install once, ideally unatended - now I
can't just start the installation and leave, because it asks
many things during install
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1232 [09:57:45] <superman8> Thanks on the support and progress on
troubleshooting, somiaj, bolt
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1254 [10:05:42] <dka> Is there a way to play Starcraft I on linux
Debian 8 ?
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1258 [10:06:18] <Drzacek> dka, I had some weird graphis in menu,
but game itself was ok
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1356 [10:53:30] <fnoyanisi> hi there gnu/linux fellows. I am
trying to install gcc on a debian system and it keeps asking me to
insert to debian DVD
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1361 [10:53:51] <fnoyanisi> any way to get the system download the
gcc package rather than getting it from the DVD?
1362 [10:54:06] <Stummi> fnoyanisi, remove the DVD entries from
/etc/apt/sources.list
1363 [10:54:50] <fnoyanisi> then it says gcc has no installation
candidate
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1380 [11:00:43] <ImUs3r> how can i upzip zip file?
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1384 [11:01:28] <themill> You could guess and you'd be right
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1389 [11:02:38] <ImUs3r> themill: i have no idea
1390 [11:02:39] <ImUs3r> :(
1391 [11:02:50] <fnoyanisi> ImUs3r : unzip [-aCcfjLlnopqtuvy] [-d
dir] zipfile
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1393 [11:03:01] <themill> If you had to guess how you might unzip
something what would be the ideal command?
1394 [11:03:35] <_Nox> Oi oi Oi
1395 [11:04:02] <ImUs3r> -bash: upzip: command not found
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1398 [11:04:52] <fnoyanisi> ImUs3r : not upzip
1399 [11:04:55] <fnoyanisi> unzip
1400 [11:05:19] <fnoyanisi> FYI, I still cannot install gcc with
apt-get. help pls
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1404 [11:06:03] <ImUs3r> fnoyanisi: thanks but there is a strange
folder of __MACSX?
1405 [11:06:12] <KnightsWhoSayNi> fnoyanisi: did you modify your
apt sources as Stummi recommended?
1406 [11:06:13] <ImUs3r> what is __MACSX?
1407 [11:06:55] <fnoyanisi> ImUs3r : I dont know. ask the person
who has zipped the archive your are trying to unzip(1)
1408 [11:07:17] <themill> ImUs3r: it's crap that MACOSX drops
in there.
1409 [11:07:21] <ImUs3r> thanks i will just delete __MACSX folder
1410 [11:07:29] <themill> fnoyanisi: which release of debian?
1411 [11:07:40] <fnoyanisi> KnightsWhoSayNi : I used an example
source list from the debian wiki...still getting 'gcc' has
no installation candidate error
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1413 [11:08:12] <fnoyanisi> I am not familiar with debian, my
kernel version is 3.16.7
1414 [11:08:19] <fnoyanisi> I think Jessie
1415 [11:08:30] <fnoyanisi> (took a stab in the dark)
1416 [11:08:34] <musca> fnoyanisi: did you run "apt-get
update" after modifying the sources?
1417 [11:08:40] <themill> !jessie sources.list
1418 [11:08:40] <fnoyanisi> no
1419 [11:08:40] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian
8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb
replaced-url
1420 [11:08:45] <ImUs3r> themill: i can delete __MACOSX?
1421 [11:08:50] <ImUs3r> there is no problem?
1422 [11:08:54] <themill> fnoyanisi: you need to know which
release before you alter your sources.list
1423 [11:08:57] <themill> ImUs3r: yes
1424 [11:09:01] <ImUs3r> thanks
1425 [11:09:30] <fnoyanisi> thenill : apt-get update made the
trick I reckon
1426 [11:09:34] <fnoyanisi> thx!
1427 [11:09:41] <Stummi> iirc __MACOSX is used by mac osx to cache
stuff like rendered preview icons and this stuff. Similar to windows
thumbs.db
1428 [11:09:42] <fnoyanisi> themill : ^^^
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1430 [11:10:22] <themill> good news
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1439 [11:16:27] <brimonk> Would anyone be willing to help with a
wifi problem that I'm having? I'm trying to use wicd to
connect to the internet (over wifi), and it keeps bugging out.
I've tried reinstalling wicd-{daemon, curses}, to no avail. I
know that the hardware works because when I put in a livecd, the
wifi instantly works.
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1447 [11:21:26] <blawiz> theres no apt-get security-upgrade or
something?
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1449 [11:22:54] <jelly> blawiz: almost all updated packages in
stable are there for security reasons
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1458 [11:26:08] <blawiz> jelly: ahh i see, so over 80%?
1459 [11:26:14] <blawiz> im on stretch though
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1471 [11:33:44] <petn-randall> blawiz: stretch doesn't get
any security support at the moment.
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1475 [11:34:41] <jelly> blawiz: testing, in general, does not
receive have security updates at all, so you dodged a bullet there
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1477 [11:34:51] * jelly slow
1478 [11:35:14] <blawiz> dodged what bullet?
1479 [11:35:18] <jelly> it will get them once it's stable
1480 [11:35:27] <blawiz> ahh, i see :]
1481 [11:35:33] <blawiz> when is that btw?
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1489 [11:37:46] <ImUs3r> how can i install php?
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1496 [11:39:59] <ImUs3r> apt-get install php5 php-pear php5-mysql
<— this is correct?
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1499 [11:40:50] <GPenguin> ImUs3r: hit return and check which
packages apt lists and if you find its right answer with
"yes"
1500 [11:41:24] <ImUs3r> apt-get install php5 php-pear php5-mysql
<— then i will do it
1501 [11:41:28] <ImUs3r> GP
1502 [11:41:30] <ImUs3r> GPenguin:
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1504 [11:42:08] <GPenguin> ImUs3r: when you send the command it
asks first if you want to do that. so you can look at the list what
it will be installing
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1506 [11:43:11] <GPenguin> ImUs3r: if you are unsure
"apt-cache search php5-" can list more php5 related
packages
1507 [11:43:28] <ImUs3r> ok thanks GPenguin :)
1508 [11:43:40] <GPenguin> :)
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1510 [11:46:58] <petn-randall> blawiz: Sometime this year, there
is no release date, only guesstimations.
1511 [11:48:12] <blawiz> petn-randall: okok :]
1512 [11:48:29] <petn-randall> !wwsr
1513 [11:48:30] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch" will probably
release in mid-2017. It will release sooner if you help fix bugs in
stretch and sid... take that as a challenge. Ask me about
<stretch freeze>, <how-can-i-help>
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1519 [11:52:28] <Drzacek> !stretch freeze
1520 [11:52:28] <dpkg> Stretch will start to freeze in early 2017;
no new versions of packages will enter the release as this is a
period of intense bug fixing. See
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1543 [12:06:57] <TheJester> Sorry guys
1544 [12:07:03] <TheJester> Sorry BitsOfSkin
1545 [12:07:07] <TheJester> grr
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1633 [13:01:54] <sruli> i am booted to root shell and trying to
umount /boot it returns error that its not mounted, but lsblk shows
it is mounted, when i try to delete the partition with parted it
says it in use, how can i umount this?
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1635 [13:02:57] <jelly> sruli: what does «grep /boot
/proc/mounts» say?
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1637 [13:03:14] <jelly> is it there or not
1638 [13:03:38] <jelly> sruli: and also, do you have any other
mountpoints below /boot, like /boot/efi?
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1644 [13:05:38] <sruli> jelly: the only other mount point is / -
its not listed in proc/mounts, but it is listed in
'mounts' i even commented the boot line in fstab and
rebooted, still does not help
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1655 [13:08:14] <tommm> hi all, i've a bluetooth speaker and
since yesterday it stopped working with my debian.. now if i try to
connect everything seems fine except i can't find the device
under speakers when connected and running `service bluetooth status`
give
replaced-url
1656 [13:08:44] <tommm> anybody knows what's going ?
solutions? thanks
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1658 [13:08:49] <jelly> sruli: sorry, what's just
"mounts" ?
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1660 [13:09:14] <sruli> jelly: if you execute 'mount' in
the terminal it shows all mounts
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1664 [13:10:00] <jelly> sruli: that reads from /etc/mtab, is your
/etc/mtab a symlink to /proc/mounts or not?
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1666 [13:10:32] <jelly> sruli: which debian release is this?
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1675 [13:13:15] <sruli> jelly:release 8.6.0 netinstall (minimal
install) how can i check if mtab is symlinked? las 0lah does not
seem to show any symlinks
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1677 [13:13:37] <sruli> jelly: typo .. 'ls -lah'
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1686 [13:18:14] <sruli> jelly: it cant be symlinked as contents
are not the same, i will try to symlink it and see it it works
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1691 [13:19:07] <AnononAgram> Hey guys I've been trying to
connect to #kali-linux I'm new to irc if someone has some spare
time could you help me.... any help is much appreciated
1692 [13:19:48] <toruvinn> AnononAgram, and what's the
problem? most likely you just need to type /join #kali-linux
1693 [13:20:19] <themill> Try configuring your IRC client with
your name
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1696 [13:21:19] <AnononAgram> and thats what i have been trying to
do but each time ive done it... it keeps saying im banned but ive
never been on the channel before
1697 [13:21:26] <toruvinn> oh
1698 [13:21:50] <AnononAgram> when you say configure with your
name you just mean nick names correct ??? or registering one
1699 [13:22:35] <toruvinn> AnononAgram, 13:21:34 -:- 44 -
#kali-linux: ban *!*Anon*@* [by livingstone.freenode.net, 741404
secs ago]
1700 [13:22:54] <toruvinn> you probably should change your ident.
;-)
1701 [13:23:10] <toruvinn> hexchat... sorry, never heard of that.
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1703 [13:23:12] <AnononAgram> so just change my nick name ???
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1707 [13:23:42] <themill> AnononAgram: no, ident. #freenode or
#your_irc_client would be better places to ask
1708 [13:23:42] <toruvinn> AnononAgram, the problem isn't
your nick to be honest, the problem is your ident. you could
probably run (o)identd locally and get your meaningful username
there.
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1712 [13:24:35] <sruli> jelly: i deleted /etc/mtab, seemed to have
done the trick, thanks for the pointer
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1714 [13:25:09] <AnononAgram> ok so identity is diffrent from
nickname ???
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1727 [13:29:36] <AnononAgram> im still lost guys
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1729 [13:30:22] <AnononAgram> kinda need some starting points that
are abit more irc - noob friendly to get going
1730 [13:30:46] <AnononAgram> i tried the command and says No
channel joined. Try /join #<channel>
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1734 [13:31:37] <themill> AnononAgram: #freenode or
#your_irc_client would be better places to ask
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1736 [13:32:01] <AnononAgram> ok so how do i list the channels to
find my clients channel
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1738 [13:32:53] <themill> !alis
1739 [13:32:53] <dpkg> ♬♫ ALIS? WHO THE F IS ALIS? alis is a
services bot that can help you find channels on the <freenode>
irc network. "/msg alis help list" for usage information
or ask about alis in #freenode. Example: «/msg alis list
#debian*» or «/msg alis list *linux*»
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1748 [13:39:46] <AnononAgram> your info is helping guys thanks
heaps when i type /help tho it did not list the alis command is
there a reason for that
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1750 [13:40:10] <AnononAgram> but i tested the command alis and it
works fine
1751 [13:40:27] <bezaban> AnononAgram: that is the help for your
client, alis is a feature on the server side of freenode irc which
is not part of the irc specification
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1756 [13:41:08] <bezaban> but yes, themill's advice is sound,
this is a debian support channel :)
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1760 [13:42:18] <AnononAgram> ok so each network has its own
commands in away correct ????
1761 [13:42:34] <themill> AnononAgram: #freenode is just over
there →
1762 [13:42:57] <AnononAgram> im in freenode now
1763 [13:43:18] <AnononAgram> not here like i have multiple
windows open and being on freenode is one of them
1764 [13:43:24] <AnononAgram> freenode main
1765 [13:43:29] <AnononAgram> and im in the freenode channel
1766 [13:43:51] <AnononAgram> that what you mean i have configured
taps for windows not tree
1767 [13:43:54] <AnononAgram> hexchat
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1769 [13:44:21] <themill> You may have missed that this is a
Debian user support channel, you're not running Debian and that
I've been gently encouraging you to move elsewhere for where
your questions are on-topic...
1770 [13:44:29] <bezaban> AnononAgram: then ask your generic
freenode/irc questions in the freenode channel (##frenode) and not
in here. This channel is reserved for issues regarding debian. This
is my last comment regarding this issue.
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1774 [13:44:38] <bezaban> #freenode*
1775 [13:44:46] <AnononAgram> oh ok sorry guys
1776 [13:45:01] <bezaban> :)
1777 [13:45:32] <AnononAgram> umm still new my bad so can i come
here for kali-linux questions or not ?? coz its debain based
1778 [13:45:40] <themill> no
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1780 [13:46:08] <steakwipe> kali has their own channel here yeah?
1781 [13:46:19] <steakwipe> yep
1782 [13:46:27] <AnononAgram> so if i installed just debain could
i ask questins here ??? configureing repositories and what not ????
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1784 [13:47:18] <TomTomTo1> if you used the regular debian
installer you can ask here.
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1787 [13:47:40] <guavas> Hi everyone. I have the need to install a
.deb package, and being outside the reps I don't really trust
it, so I'd like to install it on a sandbox or container. Do you
have any advice or resource that can point me in the right direction
to do that?
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1789 [13:47:52] <AnononAgram> ok you guys have done enough thanks
alot much appreciated cya
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1794 [13:49:10] <themill> guavas: that sort of depends how little
you trust it. chroot or vm
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1796 [13:50:07] <guavas> themill, my machine won't stand
virtualization because of the processor, a chroot would be enough?
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1798 [13:50:22] <themill> guavas: that sort of depends how little
you trust it.
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1803 [13:51:17] <guavas> themill, I (somewhat) trust it not to be
malicious, but don't want to bloat my debian
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1831 [13:59:42] <f31n> ad 0 day grub2, am i vulnerable when there
is only plain linux cli installed no firefox or other guis?
1832 [13:59:46] <petn-randall> guavas: A root inside a chroot is
effectively also root outside of it, so a malicious .deb could
infect your system, since the installation scripts run as root. If
you want to play it safe, use a VM.
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1835 [14:00:00] <f31n> i don't get how the virus hits the
mashines
1836 [14:00:08] <petn-randall> f31n: Which grub2 0day?
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1838 [14:00:16] <TuxCrazy> hello, how can I download Debian
Testing?
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1840 [14:00:37] <TuxCrazy> I am a beginner in Linux.
1841 [14:00:49] <themill> !install testing
1842 [14:00:49] <dpkg> Daily built <netinst> images to
install <testing> are available from
replaced-url
1843 [14:01:05] <themill> You might want to reevaluate your
decision to run prerelease software.
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1845 [14:01:53] <f31n> petn-randall: all over the news in austria
that there is a virus that hits mainly the Russian servers - and
crypts the whole harddrive like cryptowall for windows
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1848 [14:02:14] <f31n>
replaced-url
1849 [14:02:19] <TuxCrazy> Today, I went to the Linux Mint channel
and asked whether Mint is more secure and stable than Debian and was
told that Debian is more stable.
1850 [14:02:33] <TuxCrazy> But, Mint comes with newer packages.
1851 [14:03:09] <TuxCrazy> Also, was told that if I needed newer
packages I can try Debian Testing or Unstable.
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1854 [14:03:46] <TuxCrazy> which one should a beginner choose?
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1858 [14:05:36] <f31n> TuxCrazy: for a beginner it doesn't
matter if debian or mint, i'd personally say ubuntu, but that
may depend on whom you ask; why ubuntu, the community is much more
beginner friendly and you find tons of tutorials
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1861 [14:06:27] <TuxCrazy> f31n, ok.
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1865 [14:07:28] <TuxCrazy> what should one do if one gets banned
in this channel?
1866 [14:07:57] <petemc> introspect
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1868 [14:08:12] <TuxCrazy> what?
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1871 [14:08:28] <petemc> think about why it happened
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1876 [14:09:59] <guavas> petn-randall, thanks... my hardware
doesn't support VM, so I guess I'll have to renounce to
it.
1877 [14:10:04] <TuxCrazy> ok. yesterday, a person share a link to
a youtube video. I watched that. Today, I shared a link to the
webpage somewhat relating to that video.
1878 [14:10:13] <themill> TuxCrazy: It'd be great if we
didn't have to keep playing this "which distro" game
with you btw
1879 [14:10:21] <TuxCrazy> I got banned. But, that other person
was not.
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1881 [14:10:49] <TuxCrazy> themill, no more questions from me on
that topic.
1882 [14:10:58] <guavas> TuxCrazy, mint is based on the testing of
debian, so a debian stable would be safer
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1884 [14:12:01] <TuxCrazy> guavas, I'll go for Debian, then.
Because, even that guy at Mint channel admitted that Debian is more
stable and secure.
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1886 [14:12:46] <ryonaloli> well considering mint doesn't
consider LPE vulnerabilities to be security-related...
1887 [14:12:50] <ryonaloli> yes go with debian
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1889 [14:13:17] <TuxCrazy> ryonaloli, what is that? I didn't
know that.
1890 [14:13:20] <ryonaloli> (like seriously, they won't even
update your kernel if you have a kernel vuln, because "who
could attack the kernel through the browser?" and other such
shortsighted nonsense
1891 [14:13:28] <ryonaloli> TuxCrazy: LPE is a local privilege
escalation.
1892 [14:13:34] <ryonaloli> basically user -> root security bug
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1894 [14:13:48] <TuxCrazy> that is all greek to me.
1895 [14:13:51] <newcoder> What's the difference between
vim-gnome and vim-gtk?
1896 [14:13:53] <ryonaloli> unless it can be exploited remotely
all on its own, then the mint team is slow at fixing it, and
sometimes never fixes it.
1897 [14:13:55] <guavas> Not sure that the iso files are even
signed on Mint
1898 [14:13:57] <ryonaloli> (root is admin)
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1900 [14:14:00] <ryonaloli> guavas: they aren't
1901 [14:14:02] <TuxCrazy> I don't have any technical
background.
1902 [14:14:04] <newcoder> Which one to install?
1903 [14:14:13] <ryonaloli> also just recently, the linux mint
site was hacked
1904 [14:14:22] <ryonaloli> and the installation cds were given
malware or something
1905 [14:14:25] <ryonaloli> i don't remember
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1907 [14:14:33] <TuxCrazy> what about Ubuntu? is it secure?
1908 [14:14:35] <guavas> yeah, I remember that
1909 [14:14:44] <themill> TuxCrazy: ...
1910 [14:14:57] <guavas> ryonaloli, and they still don't sign
the packages. Amazing.
1911 [14:15:06] <ryonaloli> do they even use https?
1912 [14:15:15] <ryonaloli> TuxCrazy: ubuntu is pretty good, yes
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1914 [14:15:23] <f31n> TuxCrazy: if you ask a tank creator if a
car is secure you will never get a satisfying answer, it always
depend on what are you planning to do
1915 [14:15:24] <ryonaloli> both debian and ubuntu are solid,
reputable distributions.
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1918 [14:15:41] <ryonaloli> ubuntu has some technical advantages,
but it installs more bloat.
1919 [14:15:42] <TuxCrazy> ok.
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1922 [14:16:03] <TuxCrazy> Debian is faster than Ubuntu?
1923 [14:16:06] <newcoder> Can anyone answer?
1924 [14:16:19] <themill> TuxCrazy: that's enough, thanks.
1925 [14:16:20] <TuxCrazy> because of less bloat?
1926 [14:16:37] <petn-randall> newcoder: Try both and see the
difference.
1927 [14:16:52] <f31n> you get updates much quicker, and
you're much more actual concerning software, (that’s an
advantage and also a downside) (security / stability)
1928 [14:17:01] <ryonaloli> TuxCrazy: it depends on what you
install. ubuntu tends to have newer software (which can mean updates
for speed)
1929 [14:17:12] <newcoder> Why both vim-gtk and vim-gnome exist?
1930 [14:17:26] <ryonaloli> but overall, they're both very
fast
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1932 [14:17:44] <TuxCrazy> themill, no more questions from me on
that topic.
1933 [14:17:44] <f31n> TuxCrazy: are you planning to install a gui
/ using it as desktop or as a server?
1934 [14:17:48] <petn-randall> newcoder: The description says one
is GTK2, the other is GTK3.
1935 [14:17:51] <guavas> depends more on the graphic environment
that the distro, at that point
1936 [14:17:59] <TuxCrazy> Desktop, GUI.
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1939 [14:18:10] <ryonaloli> i'm preferential to debian
myself. i've used both, and i like debian better.
1940 [14:18:17] <TuxCrazy> I am coming from Windows background.
1941 [14:18:20] <f31n> TuxCrazy: go for ubuntu :D
1942 [14:18:50] <guavas> TuxCrazy, I find Debian easier to use
because the stable release is really, really stable
1943 [14:18:51] <ryonaloli> ubuntu may be easier if you're
coming from a windows background. debian isn't hard, but ubuntu
is meant to be very simple to install and set up.
1944 [14:19:00] <TuxCrazy> ok. Thanks guys. No more questions from
me on that topic.
1945 [14:19:03] <ryonaloli> ok
1946 [14:19:16] <guavas> on ubuntu, being more up to date, you may
find some crashes and stuff
1947 [14:19:35] <newcoder> petn-randall: Where did you get gtk3?
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1954 [14:21:40] <petn-randall> newcoder: Ah, that's the
version in stretch. Well, the gnome version is compiled against
gnome-specific libraries, and probably gives you better integration.
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1985 [14:34:48] <MACscr> the alsamixer volume that i set gets
reset after reboot. any suggestions on making that volume permanent?
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1988 [14:35:22] <teraflops> alsa store alsa restore?
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1990 [14:36:21] <teraflops> I'm not in front of the computer
but I think there's a systemd service too
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2013 [14:42:51] <teraflops> MACscr: yes, alsactl store/restore,
there're also systemd services
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2027 [14:50:10] <sruli> how can i make a script execute when
booting to root shell? i tried adding it in .bashrc but it does not
execute.
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2034 [14:52:48] <ws2k3_> does jessie still uses /etc/rc.local?
2035 [14:53:12] <ws2k3_> it seems my machine does not execute the
/etc/rc.local after boot
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2065 [15:09:40] <petn-randall> sruli: Do you mean to start it on
boot, or when logging in as root?
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2096 [15:27:12] <sruli> petn-randall: its booting to root shell so
there is no logging-in so has to be at end of boot proccess
2097 [15:27:49] <petn-randall> sruli: How is it automatically
logging in then?
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2100 [15:28:36] <sruli> petn-randall: it not logging-in... i am
booting to root shell (init=/bin/bash in grub)
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2102 [15:29:24] <petn-randall> sruli: Then there's no way to
run anything, since the one and only process you're spawning,
the init system, is bash.
2103 [15:29:45] <sruli> petn-randall: ok, thanks
2104 [15:29:48] <petn-randall> sruli: What are you trying to
achieve? There might be a better way to do this.
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2107 [15:30:43] <sruli> petn-randall: execute a script to nuke
luks headers
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2110 [15:31:53] <petn-randall> sruli: So you want to have a live
system that does just that, or you want an entry for grub on your
regular system to nuke the LUKS headers?
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2116 [15:33:31] <sruli> petn-randall: what i have done is
installed a mini debian on separate partition and added a grub entry
to boot to /bin/bash, when i am there i execute the script, but i
would like to execute automatically when booting to it
2117 [15:34:08] <petn-randall> sruli: Write a script that does
just that, and add a system unit to execute it on start.
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2119 [15:34:21] <petn-randall> (you might want to make backups
before)
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2121 [15:34:59] <sruli> petn-randall: lol, when i need to nuke
using that there is no times for backups ;-)
2122 [15:35:19] <petn-randall> sruli: You might want to make
backups for testing purposes ...
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2128 [15:36:38] <sruli> petn-randall: testing on a vm with
snapshots! so if i create a system d service that will execute, my
question is how can i make sure it executes when /usr/bin and /sbin
applications are already available?
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2147 [15:46:13] <jelly> sruli: if you're booting with
/bin/bash, why not use bash rc files?
2148 [15:46:21] <jelly> init=/bin/bash
2149 [15:46:53] <jelly> pick a rc file for bash that gets always
read and put your thing in there
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2151 [15:47:14] * jelly does not know, avoids bash as interactive shell
2152 [15:47:33] <jelly> (but man bash, section INVOCATION
probably)
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2156 [15:48:35] <sruli> jelly: i put a link to it in my .bashrc
file but it does not execute
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2159 [15:49:35] <sruli> jelly: i meant i put the path to it in
.bashrc "sh /path/to/script"
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2162 [15:50:43] <petn-randall> jelly: Would be surprised if bash
calls any sensible script in that state, as it doesn't know if
it is a login/non-login, interactive/non-interactive shell.
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2164 [15:51:08] <jelly> sruli: two things: I don't know
whether $HOME/.bashrc is the right place to put it, and HOME is
_not_ set when you init=/bin/bash anyway
2165 [15:51:37] <sruli> jelly: i put it in /root/.bashrc, i also
put a .bashrc in /
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2170 [15:52:37] <jelly> sruli: honestly I'd make a custom
script and use that in init=/sbin/nuke-everything instead of bash
2171 [15:53:05] <sruli> jelly: will try that
2172 [15:53:16] <jelly> or investigate which, if any, files bash
reads in this situation
2173 [15:53:50] <sruli> jelly: or better, i will create a wrapper
for /bin/bash which will execute nuke
2174 [15:54:09] <jelly> that's what shell scripts do.
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2177 [15:54:36] <sruli> will try that now
2178 [15:54:38] <jelly> they make the kernel call a shell which
executes something
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2187 [15:59:03] <petn-randall> Hehe, a wrapper for bash :)
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2189 [15:59:26] <sruli> petn-randall: yeah funny, but it worked!
2190 [15:59:39] <sruli> booted to bin/bash system is nuked!
2191 [16:00:21] <sruli> petn-randall: jelly: thanks for your help
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2194 [16:00:38] <jelly> !win sruli
2195 [16:00:39] <dpkg> Congratulations, sruli! You have won the US
presidency!
2196 [16:00:57] <petn-randall> Ouch, too soon
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2200 [16:01:26] <sruli> jelly: were the Russians involved?
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2202 [16:01:59] <jelly> lool
2203 [16:02:22] <jelly> sruli: I'm Croatian, that's like
related?
2204 [16:02:44] <jelly> slavic people with heavy accents
2205 [16:03:32] <sruli> jelly: depends.... you want to go back to
ussr?
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2208 [16:03:59] <jelly> don't know how lucky you are
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2211 [16:04:32] <sruli> jelly ?
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2214 [16:06:25] <sruli> wha is the minimum partition size i can
install netiso on?
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2233 [16:11:15] <john_rambo>
replaced-url
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2239 [16:14:20] <jelly> john_rambo: install os-prober, run
update-grub as root, and hopefully it will detect other linux
installation(s)
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2243 [16:16:47] <john_rambo> jelly,
replaced-url
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2245 [16:17:34] <sruli> john_rambo: is your tiny core encrypted?
2246 [16:17:44] <john_rambo> sruli, No
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2249 [16:18:30] <sruli> john_rambo: dont know, if it would have
ben encrypted os-prober wouldnt have found it
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2251 [16:19:32] <sruli> john_rambo: a simple workaround is to
place a custom.cfg in /boot/grub
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2256 [16:20:53] <john_rambo> sruli, Some one is suggesting I run
recommended repair in boot repair
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2259 [16:21:32] <sruli> john_rambo: thats a solution but if
os-prober doesnt find it, on your next kernel update you will loose
it again
2260 [16:21:45] <john_rambo> OKay
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2265 [16:22:48] <jelly> very possible os-prober doesn't
detect syslinux/extlinux
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2268 [16:23:27] <b6s3d> hello, is it possible to make a customized
ram disk for bluray or usb stick that function as a live cd that
loads the os into ram and executes the cd/usb?
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2280 [16:28:44] <jhutchins> Of course one could always build their
own grub menu entry.
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2284 [16:29:22] <jhutchins> b6s3d: Like the installer?
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2290 [16:30:09] <b6s3d> jhutchins: like a operating system ramdisk
that loads into the rams and then ejects it self
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2292 [16:31:04] <b6s3d> i wanna be able to use a mini bluray disk
on 8 gb of ram with the root system on, and then load it into ram on
boot, then remove the bluray disk and still run the os
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2294 [16:32:47] <b6s3d> is there a software out there that can
transform a os on a usb to ramdisk ?
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2303 [16:36:07] <Vizva-aw> b6s3d a live system
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2306 [16:36:20] <b6s3d> a live ram system yes
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2312 [16:36:58] <Vizva-aw> there aa plenty live systems out there
but remove the blueray cut all your programs, how big is your ram ?
:)
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2315 [16:37:31] <b6s3d> 8 gb but i can upgrade to 10
2316 [16:37:47] <b6s3d> are you familiar with parted magic?
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2321 [16:38:09] <Vizva-aw> once upon a time
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2324 [16:38:36] <Vizva-aw> not actual for me to deal with such
things
2325 [16:38:42] <Vizva-aw> i havee in debian all i need
2326 [16:38:58] <Vizva-aw> or check systemback
2327 [16:39:17] <Vizva-aw> its not in packages but interesting
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2329 [16:39:49] <Vizva-aw> you can use a usb stick an ran a system
from
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2331 [16:40:09] <Vizva-aw> and the system is not rw
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2338 [16:41:53] <Vizva> its a image file and faster
2339 [16:41:54] <b6s3d> i just need to customize a live system,
then make it ramdisk bootable, so i can remove the disk afterwards
so the system doesn't have to lack the speed of the bluray/usb
reading. it will load totally from the ram which means maximum speed
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2341 [16:42:49] <Vizva> you can create a debian system for example
like you need it and then transform with systemback to an usb its a
image and very fast
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2344 [16:43:22] <b6s3d> no, it has to be ramdisk, this project im
mind is a ramdisk project
2345 [16:43:29] <b6s3d> nothing less will do
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2349 [16:44:25] <Vizva> if you want to have many more problems and
restrictions then its your choice, you can try
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2352 [16:46:02] <Vizva> i have had same idea some time ago but
there are easier solutions
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2356 [16:47:11] <Vizva> and ram is breakable for trojan and
things,
2357 [16:47:15] <Vizva> i think so
2358 [16:47:19] <frostschutz> b6s3d, some livecds support it, like
ubuntu's toram option or similar, meant to free up the only cd
drive in the system. you can do it yourself with a custom initramfs,
you just have to copy the rootfs image to tmpfs and then mount that
2359 [16:47:21] <Vizva> buffer overflow and whatever
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2364 [16:48:44] <b6s3d> Vizva wanna join a private irc network,
then we can do this project some day together?
2365 [16:49:03] <b6s3d> frostschutz: lol, thanks bud, but what you
just said made no sense to me
2366 [16:50:05] <Vizva> you wanna run a irc network?
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2369 [16:50:41] <Vizva> thank you but i have other things to do
now
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2373 [16:51:34] <reeed> hi guys does anyone know where I can d/l a
debian vbox image *with guest additions installed* ?
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2382 [16:54:18] <mlkkk> reeed: use vagrant plugin vbguest
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2384 [16:54:47] <babilen> reeed: And use
replaced-url
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2387 [16:55:10] <reeed> vagrant...
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2393 [16:57:28] <reeed> guest additions not included...
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2402 [17:01:24] <b6s3d> vizva one of my friends runs a private irc
network, i can invite you in pm if you like
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2409 [17:03:27] <Vizva> b6s3d nice but i dont want to thx
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2415 [17:05:13] <lvh> Hi! I've just tried to install Debian
testing (via debian-installer) into a VirtualBox with a macOS Sierra
host. The default install appears to use Wayland now, which,
surprisingly, doesn't seem to work at all in Virtualbox. When
booting, the screen just flickers between an attempt at a GUI and
the login terminal. I can log in to the box via terminal, but never
get to see GDM. I googled, but wasn't able to find a
workaround. Should I just reinstall a minimal
2416 [17:05:13] <lvh> install and use X manually? (I'd like
to use Wayland if I can since it's the default now.)
2417 [17:05:17] <UUID00> are there any downsides to
"pci=nomsi,noaer" ?
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2424 [17:06:08] <rootd00d_> hey folks. when i resume from sleep, i
just get a black screen, and i have to use loginctl to unlock the
session. anyone else encounter this recently? it never used to do it
before.
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2436 [17:10:18] <b6s3d> Vizva, alright, i just thought it would be
nice if we could do it together, but ok. you had/have the chance
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2438 [17:11:04] <stoned> Is there any supported method here for
getting zfs on debian stable?
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2441 [17:11:46] <stoned> I used a zfs on linux debian repository
and it's been working, but today I tried to upgrade and some
packages failed to isntall as they were trying to overwrite
existings libs or something
2442 [17:11:55] <stoned> I'm not sure if that's
supported here, considering it not official repo.
2443 [17:11:59] <b6s3d> frostschutz: can you give me details or
share a link on how to do it?
2444 [17:12:07] <stoned> What is the supported method? So I can
use that and bug you folks here
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2446 [17:12:08] <jelly> stoned: it's not supported here, ZoL
have their own channel
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2448 [17:12:29] <jelly> there's no kernel based zfs in jessie
2449 [17:12:41] <stoned> how bout the next one?
2450 [17:13:11] <stoned> any news on that?
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2452 [17:13:17] <stoned> (testing I mean)
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2454 [17:14:21] <petn-randall> jessie-backports has the necessary
tools, though.
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2457 [17:14:50] <petn-randall> ,v zfsutils-linux
2458 [17:14:51] <judd> Package: zfsutils-linux on amd64 --
jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib:
0.6.5.8-2; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.8-3
2459 [17:14:59] <jelly> stoned: not sure, I _think_ stretch is
going to have it
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2461 [17:15:11] <stoned> keeping fingers crossed.
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2463 [17:15:19] <stoned> is there a fuse zfs in debian supported?
2464 [17:15:19] <petn-randall> ,v zfs-dkms
2465 [17:15:20] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 --
stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-1; jessie-backports/contrib:
0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.8-2; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.8-3
2466 [17:15:22] <stoned> not kernel but userspace?
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2468 [17:15:29] <vkolchev> what's the use of debian
stabliness if when you use stable, icedove segfaults and on filing
bug they say - there are a lot of bugs with segfaults, your is
duplicate. This is strange for a stable distro.
2469 [17:15:31] <jelly> dpkg, zfsonlinux is also They have an irc
channel #zfsonlinux on freenode.
2470 [17:15:32] <dpkg> okay, jelly
2471 [17:15:47] <petn-randall> ,v zfs-fuse
2472 [17:15:48] <judd> Package: zfs-fuse on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.7.0-8; jessie: 0.7.0-12; stretch: 0.7.0-16; sid: 0.7.0-16
2473 [17:15:52] <jelly> vkolchev: the use is other stuff works.
2474 [17:15:54] <petn-randall> stoned: ^^^
2475 [17:15:59] <stoned> gotcha
2476 [17:16:17] <vkolchev> jelly, great)
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2483 [17:17:31] <stoned> Setting up zfs-dkms (0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1)
...
2484 [17:17:37] <stoned> Ok, I think it's stoned like me now.
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2486 [17:18:08] <stoned> Unpacking zfs-dkms (0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+1)
over (0.6.5.7-8-jessie) was the original message
2487 [17:18:13] <stoned> I think it's updated now, wicked,
thanks you
2488 [17:19:23] <stoned> ii libzfs2 0.6.5.7-8-jessie is installed,
but also ii zfs-dkms 0.6.5.8-2~bpo8+ ii zfsutils 0.6.5.7-8-jessie
2489 [17:19:35] <stoned> I wonder why there are the older versions
still
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2496 [17:21:35] <jhutchins> vkolchev: icedove is developed by
mozilla, not Debian.
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2499 [17:23:08] <stoned> I see. It seems backports have a mre
recent version than zol repository? that's kinda goofy. maybe
I'm wrong
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2502 [17:23:53] <vkolchev> jhutchins, I understand, but it is
really frustrating, but why debian does not switch to version
without segfaults?
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2506 [17:25:24] <jhutchins> ,v icedove
2507 [17:25:26] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy:
38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates:
1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.4.0-1; wheezy-security:
1:45.5.1-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:45.5.1-1~deb8u1; sid:
1:45.6.0-2
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2509 [17:25:50] <petn-randall> vkolchev: Because it's better
to fix the issue than to blindly upgrade to another version.
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2511 [17:25:53] <jhutchins> vkolchev: What version are you having
trouble with (and what release are you on)?
2512 [17:26:06] <petn-randall> vkolchev: segfaults are considered
release-critical, so they should be fixed.
2513 [17:27:01] <jhutchins> Then again, segfaults could be rare
enough that they're hard to track down, or the bug reporters
haven't given enough info to reproduce them or track them down.
2514 [17:27:22] <vkolchev> jhutchins, jhutchins Package:
icedove> Version: 1:45.5.1-1~deb8u1 , latest stable Debian. 8.6 I
believe
2515 [17:27:40] <vkolchev> jhutchins, I am not currently at Debian
box, sorry
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2519 [17:29:11] <jhutchins> vkolchev: There have _always_ been
problems with code from mozilla.
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2522 [17:29:27] <jhutchins> ,v thunderbird
2523 [17:29:28] <judd> No package named 'thunderbird'
was found in amd64.
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2526 [17:30:08] <jelly> vkolchev: thunderbird is a bit orphaned
upstream and possibly also undermaintained in Debian as well at the
moment
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2531 [17:34:02] <petn-randall> ,v icedove
2532 [17:34:03] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy:
38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.2.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates:
1:45.3.0-1~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.4.0-1; wheezy-security:
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2536 [17:37:51] <vkolchev> jelly, jhutchins , what are good
alternatives to it?
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2538 [17:38:13] <jelly> vkolchev: grab the thunderbird tarball
from mozilla, unpack and use
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2540 [17:38:41] <jelly> if you unpack it as your normal user, it
will be able to auto-update itself
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2542 [17:39:04] <vkolchev> jelly, ah ok, thanks for suggestion
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2574 [17:49:48] <atmc> can someone point me to directions how i
could make a .deb package from a directory which should be installed
in /opt but isnt compiled and doesn't need to be archived?
dpkg-buildpackage goes through a long process of tar/xz during the
generation which i'd like to avoid
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2577 [17:50:36] <croddy> atmc you can try fpm
2578 [17:50:49] <atmc> i stumbled upon that
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2597 [17:56:27] <stoned> ok I figured it out
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2600 [17:57:10] <stoned> midori is a good browser
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2619 [18:06:45] <stoned> alternative to thunderbird?
2620 [18:06:50] <stoned> vkolchev: I use geary
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2622 [18:07:03] <stoned> it's kind of slow, but it's
okay
2623 [18:07:22] <vkolchev> stoned, checked it, but it supports
IMAP only? Have POP3 unfortunately
2624 [18:07:33] <stoned> something about that gooey toolkit that
makes it very gooey and slow
2625 [18:07:57] <TuxCrazy> is JSCoder online now on this channel?
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2627 [18:08:22] <lafleurdubien> @stoned Claws mail isn't the
prettiest, but it should have all the features you could need
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2629 [18:08:55] <stoned> yeah you're right, there is no php3
option in it
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2631 [18:09:04] <stoned> I never cared b/c I don't use pop
2632 [18:09:15] <stoned> Everyone has imap now
2633 [18:09:26] <stoned> I also use kmail
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2635 [18:09:46] <stoned> It's also seup for all my email but
I don't use it all the time. It is integrated into my kgpg and
all that
2636 [18:09:52] <stoned> and konqueror I can right click and email
files
2637 [18:10:03] <lafleurdubien> Anybody looking for a thunderbird
alternative should take a look at Claws mail
2638 [18:10:14] <n4dir> ^^ that.
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2640 [18:10:29] <stoned> lafleurdubien: what's the gooey
tookit?
2641 [18:10:46] <stoned> looks like gtk
2642 [18:10:58] <lafleurdubien> GTK+
2643 [18:10:59] <lafleurdubien> its fast as heck though!
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2646 [18:11:13] <stoned> does it render html mails?
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2648 [18:11:56] <vkolchev> lafleurdubien, will check it , thanks
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2651 [18:12:54] <lafleurdubien> I can't remember if it
renders HTML emails out of the box but if not there's surely a
plugin!
replaced-url
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2668 [18:15:25] <stoned> I also use mutt, primarily.
2669 [18:15:30] <stoned> just throwing it out there
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2671 [18:16:05] <stoned> it's easy, I use google voice/text
messaging and I can just text people using mutt. Hate tpyign on my
phone
2672 [18:16:40] <stoned> let me know if you wanna check out mutt
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2674 [18:17:04] <vkolchev> stoned, for texting to phones I use
viber
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2676 [18:17:19] <vkolchev> stoned, proprietary, though
2677 [18:17:29] <stoned> is it a linux app?
2678 [18:17:49] <vkolchev> stoned. has official debs and rpms, it
has both mobile and desktop clients
2679 [18:17:52] <n4dir> not that sure what "rendering "
means, but i can read emails in html it seems.
2680 [18:17:54] <stoned> i dunno a viber. gmail recieves all the
google voice text messages, easy to reply from mutt. it's just
email.
2681 [18:18:00] <stoned> I see.
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2683 [18:18:04] <stoned> let me check it out
2684 [18:18:37] <vkolchev> stoned, it is mainly for mobile and
your number gets tied to acc (actually serves like an acc),
it's like whatsapp
2685 [18:18:47] <stoned> my mobile cell #?
2686 [18:18:52] <vkolchev> stoned, yes
2687 [18:18:54] <stoned> I don't give that out to anyone.
2688 [18:19:03] <stoned> At all. That's why I use the googly
moogly
2689 [18:19:13] <vkolchev> stoned, then it is useless for you
2690 [18:19:17] <stoned> Indeed, sir.
2691 [18:19:27] <stoned> Great suggestion, I may tell others about
it
2692 [18:19:29] <stoned> ty
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2695 [18:20:29] <stoned> Maybe I can give viber my google voice
numbeR?
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2697 [18:20:36] <stoned> anyway. nevermind here.
2698 [18:20:47] <stoned> vkolchev: you want gui mail cilent or you
okay with cli?
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2701 [18:22:11] <vkolchev> stoned, need gui, checking claws now
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2716 [18:28:37] <n4dir> vkolchev: don't forget the plugins,
in case you miss something.
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2718 [18:28:58] <vkolchev> n4dir, okay. seems to work for me, but
ugly as hell))
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2720 [18:29:52] <n4dir> kde user?
2721 [18:30:19] <n4dir> if you consider that ugly you haven't
seen ding, xedit or such yet ...
2722 [18:30:53] <n4dir> looks like all my other apps, hence i
assume you use kde ...
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2725 [18:32:31] <vkolchev> n4dir, no, use gnome mainly and xfce,
but with gnome 3 claws looks pretty outdated
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2727 [18:33:24] <n4dir> ah. Well, as far it's me gnome3 is
outstanding ugly. to each his own
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2729 [18:34:12] <vkolchev> n4dir, true)
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2732 [18:34:26] <n4dir> not sure if you can remove the menu, so it
looks a bit more like gnome ... muah muah muah ...
2733 [18:34:35] <n4dir> :-)
2734 [18:34:54] <n4dir> vkolchev: why not stick to thunderbird?
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2738 [18:35:42] <vkolchev> n4dir, I will ,I think. Initial
question was about icedove instability, but I will probably end up
downloading Thunderbird and installing it manually
2739 [18:36:02] <vkolchev> n4dir, icedove is okay and satisfies me
fully, but segfaults for me
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2744 [18:37:53] <n4dir> ah. i see.
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2762 [18:48:21] <jhutchins> n4dir: Any idea what triggers the
segfault?
2763 [18:48:31] <jhutchins> Er vkolchev ?
2764 [18:48:44] <n4dir> :-)
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2766 [18:49:39] <vkolchev> jhutchins, well, no, didn't have
anything in terminal (started it from there to see the output)
except the segfault. It uses to segfault for me as I click from mail
to mail. Randomly.
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2768 [18:52:14] <jhutchins> vkolchev: That can't be a common
behavior, enough people use it that it would make more noise.
2769 [18:52:59] <vkolchev> jhutchins, sure, that's what I
thought, so I decided to file a bug, even given that I couldn't
provide any significant information on why it segfaults.
2770 [18:53:05] <stoned> everything gooey is ugly!
2771 [18:53:08] <stoned> cli is beautiful.
2772 [18:53:11] <stoned> just text.
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2774 [18:54:18] <stoned> vkolchev: try midori browser and kmail
pop3 (great client)
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2778 [18:54:57] <stoned>
replaced-url
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2780 [18:55:03] <stoned> vkolchev: syklpheed too
2781 [18:55:16] <jhutchins> vkolchev: 3,160 google results for
"icedove segfaults". I'm guessing there's a
common error with lots of triggers that icedove/thunderbird just
doesn't handle certain errors well. That's consistent with
what I know of mozilla's code.
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2783 [18:55:20] <Rembo> hello everyone i have g++-4.4 and g++-4.9
installed on my debian system, now 4.4 is set as default, how can i
set 4.9 as default g++ ?
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2788 [18:56:51] <dStruct> hey all, if I have a .deb hard linked to
libssl1.0.0 (which is not part of Jessie), is there an easy way to
bypass the requirement and see how it works with libssl1.0.2 ?
2789 [18:57:00] <vkolchev> jhutchins, I guess so
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2791 [18:57:17] <vkolchev> vkolchev, Thunderbird, however, works
ok
2792 [18:57:26] <jhutchins> Rembo: ls -l `which gcc`
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2796 [18:58:23] <jhutchins> vkolchev: 25,600 results for
"thunderbird segfaults".
2797 [18:58:43] <Rembo> jhutchins: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Feb 25
2015 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.9
2798 [18:58:44] <vkolchev> jhutchins, well, it's probably I
am lucky with it))
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2802 [19:00:21] <jhutchins> Rembo: I don't know if anything
manages that, I would expect it to link through /etc/alternatives,
but it doesn't. You might look at dpkg-reconfigure gcc, but you
could also just change the link manually.
2803 [19:00:50] <jhutchins> Rembo: WHat makes you say it defaults
to 4.4?
2804 [19:01:28] <jelly> ,v libssl1.0.0
2805 [19:01:29] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u1; jessie:
1.0.1t-1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5;
jessie-proposed-updates: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u5; jessie-backports:
1.0.2j-1~bpo8+1
2806 [19:01:45] <jelly> dStruct: what do you mean not part of
jessie?
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2808 [19:02:13] <jelly> dStruct: which distro and release are you
really on?
2809 [19:02:21] <Rembo> jhutchins: how can i see wich is the
default version of g++ ?
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2811 [19:02:44] <n4dir> g++ -v ?
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2814 [19:03:06] <Rembo> g++ -v -bash: g++: command not found
2815 [19:03:10] <dStruct> jelly: well from what I can tell
libssl1.0.0 is not available where libssl1.0.2 is, with "main
non-free contrib" unless I am mistaken?
2816 [19:03:19] <jelly> dStruct: which distro and release are you
really on?
2817 [19:03:28] <dStruct> jelly: Kali Linux
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2819 [19:03:35] <Rembo> can i use alias or something?
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2821 [19:03:37] <petn-randall> !kali
2822 [19:03:37] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2825 [19:03:49] <petn-randall> dStruct: ^^^
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2827 [19:03:59] <dStruct> petn-randall: yeah thanks, I had no idea
what Kali is
2828 [19:04:02] <jelly> dStruct: ask your distro's people
where to get libssl1.0.0 from a previous release
2829 [19:04:25] <jelly> this one is divorced from jessie.
2830 [19:04:33] <petn-randall> dStruct: You could at least read it
to the end before being snarky about it.
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2832 [19:05:12] <jelly> dStruct: we use that factoid to point
people to #kali-linux channel where they have a chance of getting
relevant help
2833 [19:05:14] <dStruct> petn-randall: I idle in #kali-linux, and
there is never anyone to help with questions like I have, which is
why I am asking politely here instead, since it's based on
Debian Jessie
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2835 [19:05:43] <dStruct> jelly: yes, and I don't mean to be
rude but it's the same answer he gave me the last time I asked
a question here
2836 [19:05:45] <jelly> dStruct: here's a polite answer: you
wouldn't have this issue if you had jessie installed.
2837 [19:06:00] <dStruct> jelly: thank you
2838 [19:06:11] <jelly> it's fucking kali specific, which is
why we point you to the kali channel
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2840 [19:06:25] <dStruct> jelly: I had read libssl1.0.0 was not in
Jessie, and translated that to it not being in Kali's version
of Jessie either
2841 [19:06:33] <jelly> dStruct: we're not rude, just curt.
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2843 [19:06:37] <n4dir> if you dentist is ill you go to the
mechanic to get help? dStruct
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2845 [19:07:00] <dStruct> n4dir: not exactly the same thing, if I
were asking a CentOS question, then yes
2846 [19:07:21] <jelly> you wouldn't ask a centos question in
#rhel
2847 [19:07:39] <sruli> jelly: you around? ls /boot
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2851 [19:07:59] <dStruct> I'm not sure what's happening
to Kali, but their channel is basically dead
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2853 [19:08:01] <sruli> jelly: sorry mistype there...
2854 [19:08:03] <jhutchins> dStruct: WHat you need to do is
actually install Debian, and if you hvae the same problems, we can
help you solve them. Then you can take the knowledge you gained from
that and if you really want kali, you can try to apply it and hope
it doesn't break.
2855 [19:08:04] <n4dir> dStruct: well, you won't get any help
here. It really is that easy. Don't waste your time discuss it,
but spend that time on investigating the problem
2856 [19:08:05] <jelly> not yet a round, but getting there
2857 [19:08:28] <jelly> n4dir: I think they got it. Move on
2858 [19:08:33] <jhutchins> dStruct: You don't take a ford to
a chevy dealer because the ford dealer is closed.
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2862 [19:08:46] <sruli> in chroot env i am executing
update-initramfs -k all -c i get error cannot create new version
xxxx: already exists
2863 [19:08:53] <demo> I am trying MX Linux live. When I opened
this, it directed me to this Debian channel.
2864 [19:09:04] <dStruct> n4dir: yes, I did get it, I'm not
pushing the issue, just trying to figure out how to bypass a dpkg
dependency if that's even possible
2865 [19:09:19] <demo> by the way MX Linux and Antix are Debian
stable based distros.
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2867 [19:09:34] <jhutchins> !based on debian
2868 [19:09:34] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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2869 [19:09:37] <jelly> demo: that happens when a derivative
distro doesn't fix their irc client default config files, yeah
2870 [19:09:44] <n4dir> a tip: simply don't mention you run
kali and don't give any info which reveal it. Or, imho the
better approach, just install Debian and be done with it.
2871 [19:10:00] <jelly> n4dir: we are going to find out.
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2873 [19:10:13] <demo> jelly, it doesn't have its own IRC
channel, in the first place.
2874 [19:10:26] <jelly> n4dir: please don't tell people how
to waste volunteer time
2875 [19:10:29] <n4dir> jelly: hence i mentioned a better approach
2876 [19:10:31] <demo> that is what I feel.
2877 [19:10:45] <jelly> demo: might have a forum or other support
venue
2878 [19:10:59] <demo> ok. I'll check that.
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2881 [19:11:14] <jhutchins> demo: For smaller projects, there
isn't a 24x7 critical mass of users, so an irc channel just
doesn't work. You have to use time-shifted resources like
mailing lists and forums.
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2883 [19:11:23] <petn-randall> !mx linux
2884 [19:11:25] <dStruct> well my question could be asked as can a
hard linked library be bypassed with a dpkg install? If we assume
for a second I am on Jessie, is it possible to dpkg -i something
that requires something I can't apt-get install
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2886 [19:11:35] <jelly> petn-randall: /msg the bots
2887 [19:11:52] <petn-randall> jelly: I thought I had set up the
factoid, my bad
2888 [19:11:54] <jhutchins> dStruct: Install Debian, if you have
the same question, we'll try to help.
2889 [19:12:06] <jelly> dStruct: what does "hard linked"
mean?
2890 [19:12:08] <demo> But, I must say they have done some really
good work to put together a Linux distro that is intended for
beginners.
2891 [19:12:10] <dStruct> jhutchins: I have a debian install on
another box, just not this one
2892 [19:12:39] <demo> and the fact that it is based on Debian
stable is another good feature of it.
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2897 [19:14:37] <demo> I chose to try that, basically because it
is based on Debian Stable.
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2900 [19:15:20] <petn-randall> demo: If you ever happen to install
Debian, feel free to drop by and ask questions here.
2901 [19:16:09] <demo> actually, I have Debian Stable installed on
my laptop. On the HDD. Just trying this live usb of MX 16.
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2907 [19:19:05] <jhutchins> Perhaps we should question whether
Debian's irc clients should be pre-configured in the first
place.
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2909 [19:19:33] <jelly> yes they bloody should have sane defaultsw
2910 [19:19:45] <jelly> bloody well*
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2913 [19:20:03] * zykotick9 isn't clear why people install things
that are "based on debian", while debian actually
exists?!?!
2914 [19:20:07] <jelly> you want upstream defaults, go back to EL
:>
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2917 [19:20:45] <jelly> zykotick9: debian does not offer immediate
gratification and the learning curve is problematic
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2923 [19:23:16] <jelly> also your fancy new cheap hardware
probably won't all work on debian ootb
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2936 [19:28:09] <n4dir> if i had a distro based on debian i would
probably do a chroot/debootstrap and check my problems of said
distro there. If they exist there, i got a debian-related problem,
else not. Well: in many cases, probably not always
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2938 [19:28:33] <sruli> jelly: since that /bin/bash replacement
last worked, i rebuilt (reinstalled) the system and cannot get it to
work, when i put my script in /bin/bash i get kernel-panic errors
while booting booting
2939 [19:28:38] <n4dir> or VirtualBox, or qmeu/kvm, or whatever
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2957 [19:34:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> is there a command to remote-diff
via ssh?
2958 [19:35:34] <n4dir> diff what?
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2961 [19:35:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> files… what else
2962 [19:35:49] <n4dir> anyway, you could sshfs mount and then
diff
2963 [19:35:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, or copy the file
2964 [19:36:12] <n4dir> the question was diff local remote files
or diff remote remote files
2965 [19:36:14] <n4dir> rsync
2966 [19:36:26] <n4dir> rsync to copy the files
2967 [19:36:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> local/remote without changing any
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2969 [19:36:52] <n4dir> sshfs is neat, as it is more easy to avoid
errors. at least for me. now i am used to rsync, but it sure is not
that easy
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2971 [19:36:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> same size…
2972 [19:37:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, but I didn't really
want to do that
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2977 [19:38:04] <n4dir> so, what you want to do is "ssh
user@remote diff local_file remote_file ?
2978 [19:38:17] <CutMeOwnThroat> no
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2980 [19:38:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> something like vimdiff file
remotehost:file
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2982 [19:39:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> I saw I copied the file but I
wasn't sure if any of either versions was modified
2983 [19:39:15] <n4dir> and why not sshfs?
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2985 [19:39:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> too much overhead
2986 [19:39:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> it was a single file
2987 [19:39:46] <n4dir> then have fun searching for a solution
2988 [19:39:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> I just wondered if there was a
better way of doing it
2989 [19:40:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> rsync should have been able to do
it , but … couldn't find it in options
2990 [19:40:19] <n4dir> -u probably
2991 [19:41:11] <n4dir> if it was me i would prefer to be safe,
overhead or not. either sshfs or rsync the remote file back and diff
locally (or rsync the local file and diff remote)
2992 [19:42:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> I just sshd in and looked at file
sizes… but that just seemed like something not
uncommon…
2993 [19:42:57] <n4dir> -u rsync only if the remote file is elder,
not accessed (in plain words, the man page puts it a bit weird)
2994 [19:43:20] <n4dir> shaky ground, this way or the other.
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2996 [19:43:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> pretty sure some editors like
emacs can/should be able to do it… but not on my system, so I
guess needs some extension installed
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2998 [19:43:53] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh well
2999 [19:44:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> thanks
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3001 [19:44:34] <TomTomTo1> CutMeOwnThroat: the stupid trivial
way? <difftool> localfile <(ssh henryk@localhost 'cat
remotefile')
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3006 [19:46:13] <Rembo> i'm getting /usr/bin/g++ is not a
full path to an existing compiler tool.
3007 [19:46:25] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, you're right… but
I never use that type of redirection in bash
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3017 [19:49:14] <n4dir> TomTomTo1: Ta-da. thanks
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3019 [19:51:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> TomTomTo1, ah, found it…
if you want to know the really stupid way, it's vimdiff file
scp://user@remotehost/file
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3026 [19:54:33] <TomTomTo1> that's neat. can't do that
with regular diff :/
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3029 [19:55:45] <n4dir> TomTomTo1: what kind of redirection is the
<(ssh ...) ?
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3032 [19:56:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> "process substitution"
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3034 [19:56:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> I kinda knew/know it
exists… but it's still a pretty obscure bash feature for
me
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3039 [19:58:38] <n4dir> had that in mind too, but was not sure (
here-documents and what not are also a bit obscure to me, at least
right now. Hence i was not sure what exactly it is). Thanks
CutMeOwnThroat
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3047 [20:03:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> so… extra points for who
can name the emacs syntax… pretty sure emacs can do that
remote, too :P
3048 [20:03:07] * CutMeOwnThroat starts looking
3049 [20:03:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh… there:
replaced-url
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3056 [20:05:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, only that only prints
"Waiting for prompts from remote shell..."
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3063 [20:05:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> wait, why is this
"spacemacs"
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3068 [20:07:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> oh, because it first tries ftp
3069 [20:07:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> eeeek
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3074 [20:08:33] <MACscr> im using armbian, so i dont really expect
support here, but thought i would still at least ask. If my onboard
wifi isnt working anymore after a kernel update and its not even
showing as a device, how do i know know the name of the module that
might need loaded, etc? arm doesnt have lspci
3075 [20:09:08] <steakwipe> last time i used ambien i woke up
outside
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3081 [20:10:24] <jelly> MACscr: maybe try #debian-arm on
irc.oftc.net
3082 [20:10:38] <mollox> Hi, I use Firefox on a debian server from
a Linux mint client over Xorg connection and I get full HW accell ..
but I have tried the same setup archlinux/ubuntu/gentoo (Server) and
my Linux mint does not use HW accell .. does anybody know how debian
makes this work correctly ?
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3089 [20:13:31] <MACscr> jelly thanks
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3096 [20:16:53] <verumnost> can someone tell me why I am getting
disassociated when using hostapd but If I add "-d" which
is nonsense, everything works fine ?
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3101 [20:18:15] <teraflops> I cannot believe what you say
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3105 [20:19:05] <verumnost> teraflops: me ?
3106 [20:19:21] <teraflops> yeah, it sounds crazy
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3109 [20:20:23] <teraflops> verumnost: not calling you crazy,
it's just -d is for debug
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3115 [20:25:35] <verumnost> teraflops: how can I prove it :D
3116 [20:25:41] <verumnost> it's crazy I know
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3118 [20:26:02] <teraflops> verumnost: I believe you
3119 [20:26:17] <verumnost> I am running it on a RPI 3 -> sudo
/usr/sbin/hostapd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
3120 [20:26:48] <verumnost> so when it starts -> Failed to
create interface mon.wlan0: -95 (Operation not supported) ->
wlan0: Could not connect to kernel driver
3121 [20:27:19] <verumnost> blabla ... wlan0: AP-ENABLED and when
I connect with a device, it says disassociated
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3123 [20:27:46] <verumnost> then I tried to execute sudo
/usr/sbin/hostapd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf -d and worked fine :(
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3130 [20:29:33] <verumnost> maybe it's the client
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3135 [20:33:24] <treaki__> hi folks
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3137 [20:33:38] <treaki__> i am trying to set up a network boot
system after the guide found in the debian
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3139 [20:34:19] <treaki__>
replaced-url
3140 [20:34:27] <shazzr> I am a longtime ubuntu user....I miss
ifconfig. Any alternatives?
3141 [20:34:27] <treaki__> and
replaced-url
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3143 [20:35:37] <treaki__> i have download the complete ftp
directory completely as given in
ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
and copied that to my tftp root
3144 [20:35:41] <stew> shazzr: /bin/ip should do everything
ifconfig did and way more
3145 [20:35:46] <treaki__> but it lookes like there are some files
missing
3146 [20:35:51] <teraflops> shazzr: huh?
3147 [20:36:14] <treaki__> right now i am trying (after setting
firewall rules and dhcp options so that the connection can be
established)
3148 [20:36:22] <treaki__> to boot from an system
3149 [20:36:34] <treaki__> but from the tftp perspective it lookes
like something is missing
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3153 [20:38:18] <treaki__> some output from syslog after adding
tftp parameter -vv :
replaced-url
3154 [20:38:26] <treaki__> i would apprichiate any help
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3171 [20:43:20] <R0b0t1> Hello, I need a more recent version of
qemu for better EFI support. I tried to follow the instructions
here:
replaced-url
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3175 [20:45:12] <somiaj> R0b0t1: we will not support that.
3176 [20:45:17] <somiaj> !dontbreakdebian
3177 [20:45:17] <dpkg> dont break debian is, like,
replaced-url
3178 [20:45:26] <somiaj> R0b0t1: you should NOT mix stable and
testing, you must use jessie-backports
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3182 [20:45:56] <somiaj> ,v qemu-kvm
3183 [20:45:57] <judd> Package: qemu-kvm on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u12; wheezy-security: 1.1.2+dfsg-6+deb7u19;
wheezy-backports: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u5a~bpo70+1; jessie-security:
1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6; jessie: 1:2.1+dfsg-12+deb8u6;
jessie-backports: 1:2.7+dfsg-3~bpo8+2; stretch: 1:2.8+dfsg-1; sid:
1:2.8+dfsg-1
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3185 [20:46:13] <somiaj> since you can get 2.7 from jessie
backports there is even less of a reason to install it form testing
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3187 [20:48:15] <n4dir> you should not mix stable and testing ;
should be read like "you must not". Never ever. It is
close to a golden rule ... :-)
3188 [20:48:25] <R0b0t1> somiaj: I'll go have a look at that.
It seems like qemu 2.7 is in jessie-backports.
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3190 [20:49:15] <somiaj> mix all you like, just dn
3191 [20:49:22] <somiaj> just don't expect any support from
your install
3192 [20:49:26] <somiaj> !frankendebian
3193 [20:49:26] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
3194 [20:50:00] <R0b0t1> somiaj: What about the case where
something is not in jessie-backports? Based on how I have previously
used Gentoo, this seems like a relatively safe thing to do as long
as the dependencies are scanned for something like the kernel or
desktop environment (which is, really, only a problem if you
don't want to be running a testing system branded as stable).
3195 [20:50:20] <R0b0t1> I ask because it's a matter of
interest - it is the reason I switched to Gentoo away from
Ubuntu/Debian. It was easier to just have everything be bleeding
edge.
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3197 [20:50:30] <n4dir> Gentoo is Gentoo. Debian is Debian.
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3199 [20:50:34] <somiaj> R0b0t1: you will have to create you own
backport (i.e. build it from source)
3200 [20:50:38] <n4dir> !dpkg-buildpackage
3201 [20:50:38] <dpkg> [dpkg-buildpackage] a program in the
dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude
install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run
'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source
directory. Ask me about <package recompile>
<debian/rules> <source>.
3202 [20:50:39] <R0b0t1> Well, yes...
3203 [20:50:45] <somiaj> !tell R0b0t1 about ssb
3204 [20:50:51] <R0b0t1> somiaj: That's what I feared.
3205 [20:51:06] <somiaj> R0b0t1: you can either build it from
debian packages, or just build the source from upstream and install
it locally. Debian supports that too.
3206 [20:51:33] <R0b0t1> somiaj: That's what I was doing
until I accidentally remade portions of portage for my local system
:-)
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3208 [20:51:34] <somiaj> note depending on the software this can
be anywhere from as easy as running a few autmoatic build scripts,
to having to backport and build multiple dependencies -- some things
just should not be backported.
3209 [20:51:36] <n4dir> Or you can upgrade to either testing or
sid, assuming you feel up for the task or haven't got good
reasons not to do it
3210 [20:51:49] <somiaj> R0b0t1: stow or check-install is a good
way to manage installs in /usr/local
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3212 [20:52:10] <somiaj> stretch is almost frozen and will be
releasing so its biggest draw back now is lack of security support
(though there are still rc bugs floating around)
3213 [20:52:31] <R0b0t1> n4dir: I might - per the linux
stackoverflow post, testing appears pretty stable. On Gentoo the
~arch packages (unstable) are also relatively stable.
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3215 [20:53:04] <somiaj> R0b0t1: lack of security support is the
biggest down side to testing at the moment (due to the freeze)
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3218 [20:53:21] <somiaj> right after the release, testing/unstable
are a whole different beast.
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3220 [20:53:38] <n4dir> R0b0t1: like with anything the opions on
the matter differ. As far it's me testing or unstable are
stable enough to run them daily.
3221 [20:53:39] <R0b0t1> alright
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3224 [20:54:16] <n4dir> only keep in mind the one rule :
don't mix stable with anything but backports.
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3226 [20:54:44] <n4dir> that is the one version which is a pain in
the ass, a path to disaster.
3227 [20:54:52] <somiaj> I would also suggest against mixing
testing/unstable during the freeze if you plan to stabalize with
stretch (my suggestion to those who are running stretch)
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3229 [20:55:10] <somiaj> though during development, mixing is
sometimes needed to get things to work in testing/unstable.
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3231 [20:55:30] <tomcres> is it also not safe to mix oldstable
with stable to get older libs?
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3233 [20:55:47] <n4dir> no clue :-)
3234 [20:55:56] <Iridos> mostly not
3235 [20:56:11] <Iridos> it's as far apart as stable and
testing
3236 [20:56:20] <somiaj> tomcres: not supported. But depending on
the libs / software, it is far less harmful for a few select things.
3237 [20:56:22] <tomcres> I haven't had any problems yet, but
my printer driver unfortunately depends on libtiff4, which is only
in oldstable
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3239 [20:56:41] <Iridos> it's really always an "it
depends"
3240 [20:56:49] <tomcres> OK
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3242 [20:56:52] <Iridos> leaf packages are pretty safe, as they
can only themselves break
3243 [20:57:08] <somiaj> yea lots of times things depend on libc
and other things with >= than, so it isn't as bad and some
things will work, but there could be bugs and mixing is not
supported.
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3248 [20:57:30] <Iridos> libs usually not… but if
there's no newer version of the same lib and so nothing uses
them… *shrug*
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3250 [20:57:40] <somiaj> I think I had an old xroach binary from
sarge or something like that.
3251 [20:57:43] <tomcres> <…commenting out the oldstable
lines from sources.list…> ;-)
3252 [20:57:47] <somiaj> that sat around my systems from a long
time
3253 [20:58:29] <somiaj> tomcres: since oldstable versions are
strictkly less than stable, having that there doens't do much
and won't automatically install from there. But overall it
isn't really needed
3254 [20:58:34] <Iridos> I feel that in principle it'd be the
job of the dependency system of making mixing anything with anything
ok… sadly it ain't so
3255 [20:59:14] <somiaj> it is all those pesky shared libaries, I
think ubuntu was toying with static linked packages. This allows far
more ease of mixing (like windows) and way, way bigger packages.
3256 [20:59:34] <shazzr> stew: Thanks. I'll give it a try.
3257 [20:59:47] <R0b0t1> Iridos: Even Gentoo's portage has
rather large edge-cases where it can't do anything, but it does
have a system for "mixing oldstable and stable."
3258 [21:00:18] <sruli> how can i make my console in a vm bigger?
i need to see the output further up (want to see why script hangs)
3259 [21:00:33] <somiaj> sruli: shift + pageup doens't work?
3260 [21:00:35] <R0b0t1> Err, not trying to advertise. It's
just manages the .so.* extensions and their dependencies for you,
and nothing, as far as I can tell, is ever removed.
3261 [21:00:54] <sruli> somiaj: no, i beleive the system hangs
during that script, i want to see why
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3263 [21:01:10] <Iridos> … and setting the dependencies is
the sole responsibility of the packager… it's much too
easy to mess that up
3264 [21:01:28] <Iridos> but I've been thinking for that off
and on for quite a bit and I can't really think of a way to
make it a lot more robust
3265 [21:01:28] <R0b0t1> yep!
3266 [21:01:41] <somiaj> sruli: oh hangs the whole system. Is this
a vm thta just loads into a tranditional console? What viewer are yo
uusing (vnc?) you may have to change grub and boot with some
parameter to set the display of the console.
3267 [21:02:04] <Iridos> maybe we'll have a docker or so
container for each software in the future… :-/
3268 [21:02:05] <somiaj> sruli: this is usually done more
automatically with kvm drivers and not the old system of setting it
in grub. So unsure of the details on how to set console resolution
anymore
3269 [21:02:33] <somiaj> sruli: the other option is to pipe the
output of the script to a file with something like './script
2>&1 > logfile' and then just read the log
3270 [21:02:39] <sruli> somiaj: it hangs the vm, i added
GFX_MODE=1024x768 but did not make a difference, what kvm drivers
are you refering too?
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3273 [21:03:05] <R0b0t1> somiaj:
replaced-url
3274 [21:03:11] <somiaj> sruli: kvm = kernel video modeswitching,
most drivers use this and not the traditional graphics driver you
would set with FGX_MODE
3275 [21:03:19] <somiaj> R0b0t1: apt-get -t jessie-backports
install qemu-kvm
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3277 [21:03:42] <R0b0t1> Oh hah it needs the first version
installed. My apologies, just tried them one after another
3278 [21:03:51] <somiaj> sruli: but I'm unsure on how to use
this to set the display. I think it tries to set this from the EDID
of the attached monintor and I don't know of any way to just
set the resolution it boots up into.
3279 [21:04:20] <somiaj> R0b0t1: in general when installing
jessie-backports it is safest to first install the jessie package,
then upgrade it to the jessie backports version with 'apt-get
-t jessie-backports install packagename'
3280 [21:04:40] <somiaj> R0b0t1: This way you get all the
dependencies from jessie and then only upgrade the needed components
to jessie-backports
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3282 [21:05:49] <n4dir> Iridos: did you try shellcheck.net for the
script ? or set -e ? or add exit here and then, to figure out when,
where exactly it hangs? set -x probably won't help to figure it
out.
3283 [21:05:55] <R0b0t1> somiaj: Makes sense. But how do I access
the newly installed version? Running qemu with `qemu-kvm` has been
deprecated (unless Debian supplies a binary, which it seems not to)
and `qemu-system-x86_64 -version` returns 2.12.
3284 [21:05:58] <R0b0t1> 2.1.2*
3285 [21:06:09] <n4dir> though i would probably do what somiaj
proposed (redirecting the output to a file)
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3290 [21:06:55] <n4dir> that is: i wouldn't focus trying to
figure out how to get the output to the terminal, but focus on what
is wrong with the script ...
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3292 [21:08:05] <treaki__> allright i have figguered it out,
lookes like that i had to also extract the tar.gz archive
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3296 [21:08:47] <treaki__> also lookes like ive got a time to live
(ttl) problem with tftp, maybe its not as good to runn that on
seperated broadcast domains, but it is working
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3301 [21:09:44] <somiaj> R0b0t1: I use virsh via libvirt to manage
my vms. some use virt-manager. I think you can still run qemu
directly, but unsure on those details and let libvirt take are of it
3302 [21:10:18] <treaki__>
replaced-url
3303 [21:10:34] <treaki__> lookes like it takes a lot of tryes to
get a stable connection the first time
3304 [21:10:54] <treaki__> maybe its the router, maybe its the
network crad rom, maybe its the tftp server
3305 [21:11:10] <treaki__> normaly the ttl should be enough to
pass one router but not with tftp ;(
3306 [21:11:30] <treaki__> but after you have waited 1 minutes for
any progress it is working even after a reboot
3307 [21:11:54] <treaki__> maybe the router figguered out that
time how to act correctly with the pxe rom...
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3316 [21:15:23] <sioux_> hi i have HP proliant with RAID 1. When i
boot USB with debian 8 netinstall not detect de storage. How can i
resolve this?
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3322 [21:17:38] <sioux_> hi i have HP proliant with RAID 1 with
hardware. When i boot USB with debian 8 netinstall not detect de
storage. How can i resolve this?
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3325 [21:19:01] <R0b0t1> sioux_: Everyone read it. Can you
describe how the storage is not detected?
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3331 [21:20:26] <sioux_> Robby: so sorry, but i don´t write
that RAID 1 way of Hardware.
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3334 [21:21:15] <R0b0t1> You have a descrete raid controller?
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3336 [21:21:19] <R0b0t1> dis*
3337 [21:21:25] <sioux_> R0b0t1: so sorry, but i don´t write
that RAID 1 way of Hardware. When list disk to create partition dont
show the disk, only USB drive
3338 [21:21:48] <R0b0t1> oh, no problem.
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3340 [21:22:26] <R0b0t1> sioux_: Unfortunately I don't have
much advice, but if it is hardware RAID you may have to check to
make sure it is enabled in your BIOS. You might also try to ask in
#linux.
3341 [21:22:40] <R0b0t1> (there's more people active)
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3347 [21:23:09] <sioux_> R0b0t1: yeah, i have config the raid 1
and selected the hard disk
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3350 [21:24:23] <R0b0t1> sioux_: if it still doesn't show up
to your operating system you might try disabling hardware raid and
setting up software raid, which reportedly has better results and is
easier to recover in case of an error.
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3352 [21:24:50] <R0b0t1> in other words: the hardware might be at
fault, but unfortunately I know of no way to check besides seeing if
it appears to the OS (that's why I suggested asking in #linux)
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3360 [21:28:02] <R0b0t1> somiaj: interestingly qemu-* are the
right version, but qemu-system-* are not... recommendations of what
to look for are welcome, otherwise, I'll keep poking
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3372 [21:30:16] <treaki__> hi again
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3374 [21:30:41] <treaki__> what can i do to disable the detection
of other operating systems while bootloader installation?
3375 [21:31:24] <treaki__> i have an old windows on that disk that
i need to backup this year somethimes but till than it shouldnt be
bootable by mistake
3376 [21:31:44] <treaki__> (cause its windows xp and not secure
anymore and there are maybe private data included)
3377 [21:32:00] <Pavr> you could take a look in /etc/grub.d
3378 [21:32:27] <treaki__> its i386 arch
3379 [21:32:33] <treaki__> default installation
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3386 [21:35:37] <Pavr> looks like if you set if
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true in /etc/default/grub it would disable
the prober script that discovers windows installations
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3391 [21:37:01] <treaki__> allright, Pavr, can i do that while
installation or just after first boot
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3407 [21:41:58] <Pavr> Don't know.
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3409 [21:42:35] <treaki__> ok ill try..
3410 [21:43:20] <Pavr> I don't think you can during the
install. but if you disable it after boot and run the update-grub
program it will make a new menu file without running the os-prober
script from /etc/grub.d
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3413 [21:43:43] <phogg> treaki__: you should be able to switch to
VT2 during the install and after the disks are detected and mounted
make arbitrary changes to the system. Might be tricky to get in
between the install grub step and the umount step.
3414 [21:44:11] <phogg> doing it afterwards is much simpler
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3416 [21:44:45] <treaki__> i guess i just have to wait for tasksel
to install it and do it before/while the selection of the boot
medium (sda or something else question)
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3418 [21:45:29] <Pavr> is it important to do it during install?
Are you batch installing on windows xp's machines?
3419 [21:45:39] <treaki__> thanks for the advice phogg, have
though about something like that to..., ill try and if you are
interested in tell you how/if it did worked afterwards...
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3421 [21:45:42] <R0b0t1> treaki__: to clarify - Windows won't
boot by accident
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3423 [21:46:38] <treaki__> R0b0t1, yes but maybe some dumbass
sitting before my keyboard is trying to boot it while seeing my
system boot, and i want to prevent somebody loughing, haha youve
still got an win xp running,...
3424 [21:46:39] <Pavr> unless you have it on another disk drive
and you mess up the boot order in your BIOS
3425 [21:47:04] <treaki__> i have disabled anything in the bood
configuration but first hdd in the bios...
3426 [21:47:25] <Pavr> tbh just do it afterwards. trying to do it
while installation is just making things harder then it needs to be.
3427 [21:47:26] <R0b0t1> wellll I don't mean to dismiss your
concerns but I'd propose the better idea is to prevent anyone
from doing that to your system if you're worried about it
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3449 [21:58:26] <armin> hm, is there a command i can use to
identify the monitor connected via displayport on a linux computer?
3450 [21:58:59] <DarinMiller> armin: try xrandr from the terminal
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3455 [22:00:07] <armin> DarinMiller: that doesn't tell me
about the model name. i'm on a system where i can't look
behind the monitor right now. :)
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3458 [22:00:44] <toruvinn> armin, im almost sure the model is
logged in XOrg.log but that's kinda meh way of getting that
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3461 [22:01:57] <acu> !paste
3462 [22:01:58] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
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3503 [22:24:32] <jhutchins> Erreur32: Your display configuration
utility probably shows the model, Xorg.0.log should as well (does
for me).
3504 [22:24:53] <jhutchins> armin: Your display configuration
utility probably shows the model, Xorg.0.log should as well (does
for me).
3505 [22:25:13] <jhutchins> Erreur32: No idea how I picked up your
nic, sry.
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3535 [22:39:02] <AciD`> when I try to apt dist-upgrade my system,
dpkg fails since it encounter a i/o error when trying to open the
file that contains the file list for the libqca2-plugin-ossl:amd64
package. Since trying to fix that btrfs error is not possible right
now (I keep getting segfault there), do you see a way to circumvent
that problem?
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3548 [22:44:14] <missmbob> dpkg --purge that package? which doesnt
seem to be a package in debian
3549 [22:44:14] * dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers
down his throat and throws up that package? which doesnt seem to be
a package in debian all over missmbob and kiki`...
3550 [22:44:37] <missmbob> oh i mistyped it. it does exist
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3552 [22:45:23] <AciD`> well, when I do dpkg tries to access the
faulty file and the i/o error is shown
3553 [22:45:31] <abrotman> or create the filelist, with a crap
file from /tmp
3554 [22:45:39] <AciD`> I was thinking about manually modifying it
3555 [22:45:55] <AciD`> abrotman -> could you please elaborate?
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3561 [22:48:25] <AciD`> `apt install --reinstall
libqca2-plugin-ossl` also trigger that nasty i/o error
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3568 [22:51:11] <cathy_> Anybody here that can help me with what I
think is a grub issue?
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3572 [22:53:04] <mtn> !ask
3573 [22:53:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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3577 [22:54:50] <cathy_> I installed Fedora on my sda, with
well-running Debian on sdb. No longer boots to Debian although it
appears in the boot menu.
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3580 [22:55:07] <mtn> cathy_: errors?
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3582 [22:55:34] <cathy_> I complicated matters by installing
Ubuntu on sdb as well. All show on the boot menu, but Debian
won't boot
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3586 [22:55:56] <mtn> cathy_: you could repair the debian grub, so
debian controls the booting
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3591 [22:56:23] <cathy_> when I try rescue mode I end up on a
command line. I can get in as root, but don't know how to fix
my griub
3592 [22:56:31] <cathy_> YES!!
3593 [22:56:55] <cathy_> How do I do that?
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3595 [22:57:37] <mtn> cathy_: you choose the debian partition in
the rescue mode. the command is grub-install /dev/sda. assuming you
are booting sda first. is this a legacy boot or efi boot?
3596 [22:58:05] <cathy_> is legacy-uefi according to the BIOS.
3597 [22:58:22] <mtn> cathy_: ok, then that should work, I think
3598 [22:58:45] <cathy_> okay, going offline to try it. rebooting.
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3607 [23:01:49] <zuiss1> is there any benefits in installing
systemd from jessie-backports instead of the one in jessie?
3608 [23:01:50] <mrrhq> As far as I know, GRUB only needs to be
installed to the hard disk you're booting off of, at the very
least. As long at the version of GRUB you're can detect all the
boot devices it shoud be fine. Does every partition need to have a
"boot" flag enabled on it for GRUB to use it?
3609 [23:01:56] <zuiss1> (v215 vs 230)
3610 [23:02:42] <mtn> mrrhq: none of them do
3611 [23:03:27] <mtn> zuiss1: usually you only use backports if
you need to do so. is something fixed in that version you need?
3612 [23:03:27] <mrrhq> zuiss1: I'm not an expert on systemd,
so I couldn't tell you.
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3617 [23:05:35] <zuiss1> i just thought it might be like the linux
kernel where each release isn't just about features, but
improvements and more security, etc
3618 [23:05:37] <mrrhq> mtn: There may have been cases where
update-grub doesn't work 100% of the time, though.
3619 [23:06:04] <mrrhq> I heard GRUB in Jessie/stable may not have
support for NVMe drives yet.
3620 [23:06:07] <mtn> mrrhq: "may have"?
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3624 [23:07:05] <mrrhq> I'm not sure. I haven't used
update-grub or grub-install in a long time. :p
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3628 [23:07:56] <m3k> I am running xfce. How do I tell lightdm to
start on another tty than tty7?
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3636 [23:13:01] <mtn> m3k: see if lightdm has a config file. also,
read the lightdm entry on the arch wiki
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3640 [23:15:48] <m3k> mtn: okay
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3650 [23:19:49] <ytrezq> Hello, does anyone have an idea on how to
use Miracast on Linux
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3656 [23:22:17] <Iridos> zuiss1, well, very likely yes, else it
wouldn't be in backports… but if you don't know
what they are, they're also pretty likely not YOUR reasons
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3661 [23:24:43] <Iridos> but iirc, packages have been rejected
from backports if the software didn't really offer anything
additional…
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3664 [23:26:34] <eth0D0wn> greetings
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3669 [23:28:30] <zuiss1> ok
3670 [23:28:46] <zuiss1> i heard virtualbox isn't going to be
in debian 9
3671 [23:28:58] <zuiss1> that kind of sucks
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3673 [23:29:47] <tx> zuiss1: seems so
3674 [23:29:49] <tx>
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3675 [23:29:50] <Namidairo> what do you know, there's no
stretch package
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3677 [23:30:04] <themill> zuiss1: virtualbox hasn't been in
Debian since Wheezy. It's not free software.
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3679 [23:30:24] <zuiss1> it's in debian 8 in the contrib repo
3680 [23:30:32] <zuiss1> themill:
3681 [23:30:47] <themill> contrib is not part of the Debian
release
3682 [23:31:02] <zuiss1> well now it's not going to be there
either is what i meant
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3684 [23:31:08] <zuiss1> nor in non-free
3685 [23:31:14] <themill> It's hard to care about non-free
software.
3686 [23:31:26] <zuiss1> well popcon says a lot of people care
about it
3687 [23:31:51] <themill> then they need to get upstream to make
it so that it can be fixed
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3689 [23:31:59] <zuiss1> not starting a debate on free vs nonfree
software. just pointing out that a lot of people are going to be
disappointed or have to download debs directly from oracle
3690 [23:32:50] <mtn> zuiss1: it is still in sid, so wait and see
what happens
3691 [23:33:03] <zuiss1> oracle is stubborn and i don't blame
debian. it just sucks
3692 [23:33:05] <zuiss1> mtn: ok
3693 [23:33:06] <TomTomTo1> it will most likely be available
through backports soon after release.
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3697 [23:33:27] <themill> It's completely unsupportable
software. Having people realise this is important.
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3699 [23:33:51] <zuiss1> doesn't backports mean the package
is in testing? i thought a package can't be in testing unless
it was eventually going to be in stable
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3703 [23:35:06] <tx> zuiss1: oracle / the virtualbox project have
their own deb repo
3704 [23:35:28] <tx> I do not see what the big deal is, it's
just not being maintained in debian any more, probably because of
its non-free status
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3707 [23:35:44] <tx> Let's check packages.qa
3708 [23:36:23] <themill> There's no way of doing security
support for virtualbox.
3709 [23:36:54] <zuiss1> maybe i will try to set up something in
kvm but as a novice it sounds confusing compared to virtualbox
3710 [23:37:39] <R0b0t1> zuiss1: it's not too hard
3711 [23:37:40] <tx>
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3712 [23:37:45] <tx> yeah
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3714 [23:38:13] <tx> There are a few kvm / libvirt gui's
3715 [23:38:29] <R0b0t1> zuiss1: See the debian page, it's
quite easy; some of the more advanced features can be annoying (e.g.
I have normal tap networking set up, but apparently it doesn't
work for wlan devices).
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3717 [23:38:45] <R0b0t1> Some stuff you would think is
complicated, like PCI-device pass-through, is hilariously simple.
3718 [23:38:47] <themill> (virtualbox is completely without
security support in Jessie too fwiw)
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3720 [23:39:41] <zuiss1> R0b0t1: is there a shared clipboard
feature between host and guest?
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3722 [23:40:17] <themill> zuiss1: when using spice to connect to
the VM, yes
3723 [23:40:31] <R0b0t1> zuiss1: Yes. You need a serial driver in
the guest, and the various qemu interfaces send clipboard data
through it.
3724 [23:41:00] <zuiss1> ok i'll try it out. maybe i can just
use kvm in the next release
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3726 [23:41:19] <R0b0t1> zuiss1: Fedora has an .iso of all drivers
you will need for Windows. They're included in most Linux
distributions. You can boot to Windows without these drivers, but
for better network and graphics performance you need them
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3729 [23:41:46] <R0b0t1> (Unsure of your target, but it's
helpful information.)
3730 [23:41:50] <zuiss1> thanks
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3744 [23:48:08] <awal1> #794466
3745 [23:48:09] <judd> Bug
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3747 [23:48:57] <awal1> "99% sure" vbox will not be in
stretch
3748 [23:50:27] <awal1> for share stuff host-guest
"spice-vdagent"
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