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7[00:02:02] <ealfonso-web> I'm not able to start
x11-common as root on debian stretch
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14[00:04:25] <ealfonso-web> First I was getting connection
refused. when I tried to start the service, I was getting
"service is masked". I used these steps to fix:
replaced-url
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15[00:05:28] <ealfonso-web> then I was getting permission
errors with /dev/tty0, dev/tty2, which I worked around by chown
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17[00:06:02] <ealfonso-web> now getting another error:
xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not
permitted)
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18[00:06:14] <ealfonso-web> what's wrong with my setup?
this is a fresh netinstall
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20[00:06:43] <ealfonso-web> can anyone read my messags?
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24[00:07:46] <ealfonso> test
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25[00:08:10] <ealfonso-web> am I the only one participating in
debian irc today?
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36[00:10:33] <aokfire> Hi, I'm getting stuck on Setting up
shared-mime-info
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37[00:10:39] <aokfire> when installing packages or updates
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38[00:10:43] <aokfire> and even when installing the package
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82[00:47:40] <Guest72787> Cleisthenes
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86[00:48:49] <cVsup> After growing the disk, I accidentally
deleted the lvm partition and saved this with fdisk. Can i recover
the partition? Editar
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89[00:49:49] <Guest72787> Hello\
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97[00:56:05] <jelly> cVsup, you have to recreate the partition
with the exact same starting sector, and equal or larger size than
it used to be
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100[00:57:07] <cVsup> jelly: I do not have this data anymore
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105[00:58:06] <jelly> there are tools like "gpart"
that look for filesystem formats and tryto guess previous partition
layouts
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134[01:14:55] <michael2> hi all, when I look in rifle.conf, I
see lines like: ext x?html?, has chromium, X, flag f = chromium --
"$@" how does one interpret what this means?
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312[03:31:45] <ChunkyPuffs> Is this or is this not the place to
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313[03:32:27] <ChunkyPuffs> Anybody care to help an old laptop
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314[03:33:09] <ChunkyPuffs> The Debian article for them
recommends Debian Squeeze, which is completely and utterly
unavailable now. Debian 9 works flawlessly, except for one thing..
no libva, it just doesn't work. "Intel video
i915_drv_video.so fails to load"
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315[03:33:10] <judd> Bug
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316[03:33:57] <ChunkyPuffs> relevant keywords: i915, g45, intel
pineview
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440[05:03:20] <nooons> Random question related to networking
with kvm guests - If you use macvlan interfaces with passthrough
will lacp work at the guest level rather then the vm host?
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458[05:18:17] <misternumberone> Hi, installing stretch i386 and
when I select to install GRUB 2 on floppy disk, "cannot find a
GRUB device for /dev/fd0. check your device.map." /dev/fd0 does
not exist. # modprobe floppy: "Module floppy not found in
directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-6-686"
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460[05:18:52] <misternumberone> floppy drive works to boot,
light is on at correct times, works in windows
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470[05:23:20] <nbm> can someone recommend me a nice lightweight
terminal that isn't urxvt
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478[05:32:29] <nbm> i'll check it out
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485[05:46:02] <Ultima> Hello, I have a new vm host that is
performing extremely poorly. The system had 128 vcpu's with
1.5TB ram. I believe the issue is probably a setting in the bios, is
anyone experienced with the modern settings?
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488[05:48:30] <Ultima> The motherboard in question is a
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556[06:30:20] <jgkamat> hi, a package that I use is really out
of date (in unstable), is there something I can do to try to get it
updated? I'm willing to put in effort myself, but I'm not
sure where to start
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562[06:31:40] <somiaj> jgkamat: What package, and do you know if
it currently has an active matainer?
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564[06:32:39] <jgkamat> somiaj: the package is 'xdo',
a maintainer is listed, I'm not sure if they have done
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566[06:32:59] <somiaj> jgkamat: anways basic idea, 1) create a
package with the updated version, you may want to look at the debian
new matainer's guide for help, and realize debian packages need
to be of high quality. Once you have a package, there is a process
going through debian mentors (mentors.debian.net) to get the
packaged reviewed and find a sponsor.
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568[06:34:01] <jgkamat> ok, I'll first try to get the new
version packaged :)
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569[06:34:03] <somiaj> the sponsor will help review your package
and give you feed back on things that need to be fixed. Since it has
a matainer, this may require some extra work if you want to become a
new matainer
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571[06:34:44] <somiaj> you could also provide the information to
the matainer in the current wishlist bug for a new version
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572[06:35:10] <somiaj> #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net can help
as needed, though getting a package built will be the first step.
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574[06:36:11] <jgkamat> ok, that sounds good to me. I'm
assuming I'll find an issue in the new version that will need
to be fixed (which is why it hasn't been updated), but
I'll handle that when I get htere
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575[06:36:15] <somiaj> jgkamat:
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579[06:37:29] <debsan> somiaj, jgkamat
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580[06:37:30] <judd> Bug
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581[06:37:44] <somiaj> debsan: yea, that is the wishlist bug I
mentioned
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582[06:37:48] <somiaj> outside of the bug, there has been no
response.
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583[06:37:49] <jgkamat> yahh :/
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588[06:41:01] <somiaj> jgkamat: provided you want to take over
maintainer of the package, when you get to looking for a sponsor
stage, just CC the current maintainer, more likely than not they
will appriciate the help or let someone who is willing to spend the
time keeping the package up to date take over.
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589[06:41:28] <jgkamat> ok, sounds good to me :)
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590[06:41:41] <AliceKelly> cef, hello
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591[06:41:49] <jgkamat> do you think it's a good idea to
mail the maintainer directly before doing anything, or should I just
go for it?
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594[06:43:20] <somiaj> jgkamat: after you get the package
created, anyone can upload it to mentors.debian.net (once you create
an account). You could upload it there, and respond to the bug and
just share your work with the maintainer.
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595[06:43:41] <somiaj> jgkamat: you should use the bts and
public forums to talk to the maintainer so there is a public trail
of the interaction.
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596[06:44:02] <jgkamat> ok, sounds good to me, thanks for the
help somiaj! :)
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597[06:44:06] <somiaj> i.e. you could just make the package and
then give it to the maintainer, and only go about looking for a
sponsor if the maintainer doens't respond.
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598[06:44:20] <AliceKelly> whats a good mixer app for lxde if
alsa mixer works in cli ?
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600[06:44:40] <somiaj> AliceKelly: is lxde not using pulse? most
dekstops do.
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601[06:44:52] <somiaj> AliceKelly: dpkg -l | grep pulse (do you
have pulseaudio installed)?
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602[06:45:28] <AliceKelly> somiaj, it does lind of. theres no
volume mixer per se,
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603[06:45:34] <AliceKelly> kind of
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604[06:45:55] <AliceKelly> obviously not working correctly
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606[06:46:08] <somiaj> AliceKelly: well do you have pulse
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608[06:46:16] <AliceKelly> yes
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609[06:46:17] <somiaj> AliceKelly: if so, pavucontrol is what
you want.
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612[06:48:40] <AliceKelly> i dont really recognize what its
trying to do. only 1 slider for system sounds. i really dont like
this interface
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613[06:49:13] <somiaj> it actually does sounds per application
and allows you to switch between cards
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615[06:49:26] <somiaj> if you don't have any applications
using sound, you won't see the other ones
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616[06:49:50] <AliceKelly> is there anything like the old style
alsa mixer gui ?
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618[06:50:06] <somiaj> you are running pulse, you should use the
pulse tools
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619[06:50:15] <somiaj> alsamixer won't help since you need
to configure pulse
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621[06:50:40] <AliceKelly> ok install pulse tools ?
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622[06:51:02] <somiaj> which is what pavucontrol is, it is the
recommeneded desktop independent tool
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624[06:51:07] <somiaj> each desktop has their own tools as well
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626[06:51:44] <somiaj> pulse is not alsa, it is on top of alsa,
and deals with mixing different. You could remove pulse and go back
to alsa, but then you loose some of pulses features, which may or
may not be an issue to you.
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627[06:51:58] <somiaj> though de's are usually integrated
with pulse, so it is what is suggested when running a de
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628[06:52:13] <somiaj> but anyways, what paticular option do you
not find in pavucontrol you are needing?
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629[06:53:40] <AliceKelly> i want the old style mixer where it
has seperate sliders for master midi system etc and i want it as a
persistent app in the systray
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630[06:54:24] <somiaj> the uninstall pulse, and go back to alsa.
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632[06:54:50] <AliceKelly> so whas is the alsa gui called
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633[06:55:13] <somiaj> I don't know, I just use alsamixer
in the terminal, but you can find various systray apps too, just
search the packages.
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634[06:55:52] <somiaj> oh look there is a package called
alsamixergui that came up fairly quickly, not this won't do
much good unless you remove pluse
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636[06:56:47] <somiaj> pasystray is a systray applet for pulse,
volumeicon-alsa is a systray app for alsa
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647[07:08:29] <AliceKelly> thank you that works
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648[07:08:51] <AliceKelly> it installed kmix and the lappy
buttons work now
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656[07:13:20] <AliceKelly> ok last question. i ditched knoppix
and installed a fresh debian stable. should i bother apt-get upgrade
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657[07:14:09] <somiaj> I would suggest apt, but apt-get works
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659[07:14:12] <somiaj> and run apt update first.
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660[07:14:21] <AliceKelly> of course
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661[07:14:27] <AliceKelly> :)
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662[07:14:52] <AliceKelly> im pretty happy with this setup so
far
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663[07:14:54] <somiaj> and yes, you will want security updates.
I have about 3-5 packages that need upgraded each week, and when the
piont release happens (9.5 will be the nest one) you'll get
20-30 packages so far
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664[07:15:14] <somiaj> the updates are only seucirty and bug
fixes, so they are not as often as a rolling release, but they are
still needed and suggested
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665[07:15:27] <srruby> I have both chromium and firefox
installed. I'm using urxvt as my terminal. I'm finding
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666[07:15:53] <somiaj> srruby: most things use the xdg (free
desktop) settings and not the laternatives system.
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668[07:16:01] <somiaj> srruby: one second, looking up the
command
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669[07:16:05] <srruby> Thanks
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670[07:16:34] <somiaj> srruby: what is the output of
'xdg-settings get default-web-browser'
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674[07:17:02] <srruby> firefox-esr.deskto
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676[07:17:21] <somiaj> srruby: xdg-settings set
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677[07:17:42] <srruby> somiaj: Thanks.
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678[07:18:01] <srruby> Also, gnome-terminal doesn't work
for the last year.
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679[07:18:25] <srruby> timeout
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680[07:18:31] <srruby> Debian 9
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681[07:18:44] <srruby> Error constructing proxy for
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682[07:19:50] <AliceKelly> i cant believe that was so painless.
why did i screw with knoppix so long
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685[07:23:26] <somiaj> AliceKelly: Debian takes a bit longer to
setup/configure and get use to compared to a lot of the derivatives,
and provides older software (because this is part of its stability
model)
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687[07:23:44] <somiaj> AliceKelly: so many don't want to
take the initial investment, but I think it pays off if you learn
how to do things 'the debian way'
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688[07:24:37] <AliceKelly> somiaj, im liking this a lot better.
every time i upgraded it it would begin failing. just being lazy i
guess
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690[07:24:55] <AliceKelly> but then this was an easier install
too
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691[07:24:58] <somiaj> yea, that is the problem with new
software, is things will change, and new bugs could be introduced.
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694[07:25:30] <somiaj> once you get use to some small things.
Needing non-free firmware is often a problem people run into. Though
the biggest is wanting new software and breaking their system, have
you read this?
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695[07:25:34] <somiaj> !don't break debian
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696[07:25:35] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is
replaced-url
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697[07:25:54] <AliceKelly> only hing i find iritating is the bar
at the top and cant move to bottom
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698[07:26:24] <AliceKelly> if i talk too much kick me in he head
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699[07:26:30] <somiaj> that is due to lxde, debian provides 5+
desktop enviroments, and 10+ window managers, you can look around to
find one you like
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700[07:27:50] <jimm> pretty much any one you want
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702[07:27:56] <AliceKelly> any idea how to kill system beep
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705[07:28:23] <jimm> ultimately disconnect the speaker
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706[07:28:45] <AliceKelly> or plug in headphones and not use em
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707[07:28:50] <somiaj> AliceKelly: depends on what is causing
the beep, I have 'set bell-style none' in $HOME/.inputrc
and that gets most of them
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708[07:28:54] <jimm> yeah
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710[07:32:05] <jimm> somiaj, -maybe- in this case he wants to
have it not beep from any source
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711[07:32:15] <AliceKelly> to choose managers you dpkg
--reconfigure desktop manager
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712[07:32:16] <AliceKelly> ?
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714[07:33:12] <AliceKelly> i think im using ice
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715[07:33:16] <jimm> you mean which login program?
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716[07:33:46] <AliceKelly> i dont have .inittrc in home when i
ls -al
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718[07:34:21] <jimm> is it really two 't's?
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719[07:34:24] <somiaj> well it really depends on what is causing
the beep. Most likely it is the shell, which can be done via the
config I gave, I have no beeps. If you have an oldschool pcspkr, you
can remove the pcsprk module and blakclist it
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720[07:34:47] <somiaj> AliceKelly: are you using a display
manager or running 'startx' from the command line
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722[07:35:08] <AliceKelly> im using the display manager
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723[07:35:26] <somiaj> your display manager should give you an
option to select between different xessions
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724[07:35:30] <AliceKelly> i dont recall which one though
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725[07:35:45] <somiaj> with lxde, I would imange lightdm, seems
to be fairly popular these days
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726[07:35:48] <AliceKelly> got ya
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727[07:35:58] <AliceKelly> brb
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728[07:35:59] <jimm> on mine it's in the bottom left corner
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759[07:54:32] <AliceKelly> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER
AliceKelly eeqygtrywbcy
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760[07:54:49] <somiaj> AliceKelly: reset your password
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768[07:56:53] <AliceKelly> does that fix it ?
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769[07:57:01] <somiaj> Fix what?
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771[07:57:18] <AliceKelly> you said reset pass
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772[07:57:24] <somiaj> you just had a space before /msg, putting
your password in public, and it is now logged, you may want to reset
the password for your own security
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773[07:57:45] <somiaj> and anywhere you used the password
NickServ VERIFY REGISTER AliceKelly eeqygtrywbcy, so anywhere you
use that pass word, change it
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774[07:58:03] <AliceKelly> that was just the code hey sent to
verify
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779[07:59:21] <somiaj> ahh it wasn't a password, you just
never sent it to NickServ, so I just wanted to let ya know for your
own safty.
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782[07:59:59] <AliceKelly> im with you, smooches
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787[08:01:42] <AliceKelly> just poking around setings to see
waht i can do
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1014[10:13:53] <michael2> in this directory:
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1019[10:14:37] <michael2> does anyone know what the file:
"boot.img.gz" is? is it an archive of all the other files?
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1039[10:30:30] <BCMM> michael2: i would assume it's a root
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1040[10:31:30] <BCMM> i.e. bootloader loads that kernel and
initrd, and the initrd locates boot.img and mounts it as the main
root filesystem for the installation process
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1045[10:32:31] <BCMM> sorry, looks like i'm wrong. boot.img
is a filesystem image designed to be written directly to a USB stick
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1046[10:32:53] <BCMM> i don't know why there's a kernel
and initrd available in the same directory online
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1055[10:35:23] <antto> i want a random wallpaper thing..
different set of pictures on each workspace.. Dear Santa..
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1057[10:36:38] <souvik> hello
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1079[10:44:15] <Peyam> I love that debian. Now I changed the
theme and itfaboulus
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1080[10:44:18] <Peyam> it is*
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1081[10:44:25] <Peyam> I need to change font to Driod sans
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1082[10:44:30] <Peyam> and then im happy
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1084[10:44:43] <Iridos> and then you need to change the mouse
cursor
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1086[10:45:26] <Peyam> Iridos, it doesnt bother me. one thing I
know it is much more stable than xubuntu that I used for past 5
years
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1088[10:45:42] <Peyam> I got 16 GB ram and debian used 3% I
checked yestardat
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1095[10:47:23] <antto> mine is using like 230MB when just sitting
there in the desktop
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1106[10:53:54] <Iridos> oh, I was just naming further things I
couldn't care about less :-}
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1120[11:00:56] <michael2> BCMM: is it an image designed to be
written to USB (aren't they usually *.iso?) or is it designed
to be written directly to a hard disk?
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1121[11:01:28] <BCMM> michael2: not sure, actually. where did you
get the link from? the download page might be more informative than
the dir listing
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directory came from. If you give me some time, I can try find the
link - its not as well represented in the "download
debian" webpages like the other installers...
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1151[11:07:45] <michael2> hmm, there are a few random pages which
link to it, and it does seem it is intended to be written to a USB.
i guess when you dd, or similar a file to a block device it
doesn't matter what the file extension of the source file
was...
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1193[11:09:31] <SirNeo> all are hosted on the same server?
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1196[11:09:56] <BCMM> michael2: you know i think it might
actually be an artefact from before hybrid ISO images...
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1197[11:10:09] <BCMM> michael2: the only docs i can find are old
replaced-url
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1199[11:10:16] <BCMM> the stretch version of same docs
doesn't mention it
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1201[11:10:35] <michael2> yeah, same, like docs for how to create
installer floppy for etch, etc...
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1202[11:10:49] <BCMM> perhaps it's just there because the
scripts that generate the initrd in the same directory still create
it
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1327[11:48:10] <Stevko> Hello. I have two interfaces in
/etc/network/interfaces. One has static configuration, the other
gets it from dhcp. I want default route to go over static one but I
always get default route over dhcp one. How to do that
"properly"?
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1333[11:50:11] <TandyUK> hi guys, looking for some help getting
debian deployed via cobbler - I have a repo built, preseed file is
being generated, but now when my newly booted system tries to
connect to my repo, its giving me errors about the repo being
unsigned
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1336[11:51:28] <TandyUK> I have tried following
replaced-url
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1337[11:51:30] <kopper> Stevko: You could try to define metric
for both interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces
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1339[11:52:30] <TandyUK> but the scripts there refer to
"dpkg-scanpackages" which apparantly (used to be) part of
centos's dpkg-devel package (my host system the repo is on, is
centos)
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1342[11:55:05] <Stevko> kopper: on some other machine (which is
still Jessie) I do not have this problem (machine with problem is
with Stretch)
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1346[11:57:12] <kopper> If your Jessie system has similar setup
with two interfaces, one of which is manual and other configured
which dhcp, AND you haven't done anything to set the order
specifically, that could be just luck that it works like you want it
to by default
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1347[11:58:18] <demute> I want to control the time when my clock
is synchronized but I can't find the proper place to look at. I
find some files under /etc that are called things with timesyncd but
which configuration file serves the same purpose as a line in
crontab?
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1348[11:58:19] <kopper> s/specifically/explicitly/g
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1349[11:58:22] <Stevko> kopper: It could be. But I have several
(about five or six) machines with such a setup for several years.
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1350[11:58:48] <kopper> So are you telling me you won't try
my suggestion? :)
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1351[11:59:14] <Stevko> kopper: I added metric 5 to one interface
and metric 10 to the other.
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1352[11:59:39] <Stevko> kopper: but I get only one default route,
not two, so it did not help.
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1357[12:00:22] <kopper> Did you restart networking?
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1360[12:00:46] <Stevko> kopper: yes, but now I see some nice
error message so maybe I have something wrong in my interfaces file.
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1391[12:11:38] <Stevko> kopper: I found one stupid error. Now I
have two default routes. Static one has metric as expected, dhcp one
does not have any. I added -v to ifup call. So I see dhclient called
with -e IF_METRIC=10 but it does not seem to do anything
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1407[12:20:43] <itsm3> Hi
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1432[12:27:28] <n00b1> vlc gui seems broken after update to 3.0.2
on stretch amd64
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1443[12:31:44] <n00b1> vlc window is like 100x bigger then my
screen and cant be resized or maximized
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1447[12:32:27] <fooman2011> 011> Hello. I'm trying to
start a program (tvheadend) with dbus support, and I getthe
following error: [ ERROR] dbus: Name error: Connection
":1.51" is not allowed to own the
service"org.tvheadend.server" due to security policies in
the configuration file Could you please tell me how to solve this ?
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1449[12:33:38] <wrksx> Shouldn't using the grub-set-default
command update the DEFAUTL value in /etc/default/grub ?
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1450[12:34:31] <wrksx> forget about that
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1451[12:34:41] <wrksx> I just install man and checked the man
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1452[12:34:46] <wrksx> it was written there
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1457[12:35:54] <theband1t> hello?
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1465[12:42:17] <Stevko> kopper: I decided to use systemd-networkd
and it works as expected on first try.
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1466[12:42:25] <Stevko> kopper: thank you for help
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1488[12:57:25] <kopper> Stevko: Sorry I was in a meeting. Glad to
hear you got it working
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1494[12:58:31] <Stevko> kopper: well, it looks ok now, let's
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1495[12:59:37] <wrksx> What is the most gentle way to reboot the
system ? is it reboot?
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1535[13:17:29] <jolt> wrksx: yes. I use shutdown -r though,
because it's longer to write, so I have time to think about
which system I'm rebooting
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1536[13:17:41] <wrksx> haha
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1537[13:17:47] <jolt> Because reasons...
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1541[13:18:53] <wrksx> I very often echo rm -rf <some
stuff> before actually ecexuting rm
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1542[13:19:02] <wrksx> so that I can see it printed a second time
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1543[13:19:38] <cheapie> Usually, if I'm going to write a
for loop to run some command on a bunch of files, I'll put
"echo" in front and make sure it's doing what I want
before actually running it.
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1544[13:19:40] <Iridos> wimps!
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1545[13:20:12] * TinkerTiger takes notes.
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1546[13:20:38] <TinkerTiger> It's a good idea for teaching.
I don't know what my Linux textbook will look like next fall.
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1548[13:20:56] <cheapie> As in 'for i in *.webm; do echo
ffmpeg -i "$i" -c:a "copy ${i::-5}.opus";
done' or whatever
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1549[13:20:57] <Iridos> because you accidentally it?
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1550[13:21:09] <cheapie> 'for i in *.webm; do echo ffmpeg -i
"$i" -c:a copy "${i::-5}.opus"; done'*
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1551[13:21:19] <Iridos> cheapie, yeah, but everyone does that
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1552[13:21:42] <cheapie> Meh, I've been burned before by
*not* doing it :P
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1554[13:22:38] <TinkerTiger> I've never done it, but
I've always worked on copies of the files I was working on. I
have deleted things I really needed before so copy is my friend.
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1559[13:25:52] <Stevko> try putting ./ in front of every * (for i
in ./*.webm)
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1561[13:26:12] <Stevko> Helps with filenames starting with -
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1613[14:01:39] <RoyK> cheapie: oh - I didn't know that
"${i::-5}.something" thing in bash :)
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1621[14:06:45] <Nothing4You> what's the recommended way to
get eth0 back?
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1626[14:07:45] <Nothing4You> i'm trying to avoid config
breaking when a vm might have its interfaces removed / added again
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1627[14:08:22] <cheapie> Adding net.ifnames=0 to the kernel
command line is probably easiest.
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1628[14:08:30] <cheapie> More information here:
replaced-url
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1629[14:08:41] <cheapie> See the "I don't like this,
how do I disable this?" section.
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1634[14:09:39] <Nothing4You> i guess udev masking is the easiest
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1718[14:54:32] <bipul> Is it possible to assign a different IP
address inside chroot ?
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1720[14:55:15] <greycat> No. Interfaces are shared.
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1722[14:55:53] <greycat> You can assign multiple IPs to the
interface, and then simply *choose* to use one IP inside and the
other outside, but it is not enforceable.
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1725[14:57:30] <bipul> What do you mean here enforceable?
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1727[14:57:51] <greycat> You can't prevent a program
that's running chrooted from using the "wrong" IP.
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1729[14:58:24] <bipul> Okay thank you.
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1733[15:01:49] * themill assumes there is unshare(1) magic that can now
do that
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1767[15:12:27] <no_gravity> Hey guys, what's the best way to
format a 32 GB usb stick under Debian?
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1772[15:13:21] <jolt> no_gravity: Depends on the filesystem you
want :D
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1773[15:13:34] <no_gravity> No idea. I just need the stick to
transfer a file.
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1774[15:13:37] <greycat> The question is too ambiguous to answer.
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1775[15:13:47] <greycat> Oh, you're not installing Debian
ONTO the stick.
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1776[15:13:50] <jolt> no_gravity: To another linux system? Or to
windows? Osx? something else?
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1777[15:13:57] <greycat> OK. If you're just using it for
sneakernetting data, I suggest vfat.
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1778[15:13:58] <no_gravity> jolt: To another linux system.
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1779[15:14:10] <rabbitear_sdf> I think its pretty clear
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1780[15:14:19] <no_gravity> greycat: greycat mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb?
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1781[15:14:32] <jolt> no_gravity: install dosfstools and read up
on mkfs.vfat
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1782[15:14:38] <greycat> rabbitear_sdf: My first thought was
literally "He's installing Debian onto the stick and he
wants to know how big to make each partition."
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1783[15:14:39] <no_gravity> I wonder if that thing has a
partition table.
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1784[15:15:04] <jolt> dpkg: vfat
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1785[15:15:05] <dpkg> it has been said that vfat is a very fat
32-bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install
dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for information on getting write
access for regular users, ask me about <vfatrw>, or you should
not be using this filesystem unless Windows needs to read it.
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1787[15:15:08] <rabbitear_sdf> greycat: well, I think its pretty
clear
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1788[15:15:08] <no_gravity> Can't I just use gparted to make
a partition table and format a partition?
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1789[15:15:15] <greycat> no_gravity: yes
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1790[15:15:31] <no_gravity> gparted says "Invalid partition
table - recursive partition on /dev/sdb."
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1791[15:15:39] <jolt> no_gravity: You can, but as always, there
is more than one way to do it
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1792[15:15:53] <no_gravity> What type of partition table would I
make?
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1793[15:15:55] <no_gravity> msdos?
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1794[15:16:05] <greycat> Yeah, no need for gpt here.
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1795[15:16:08] <no_gravity> ok
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1796[15:16:12] <jolt> no_gravity: fat32
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1797[15:16:29] <jolt> (or just so I emember, could be
fatsomethingelse now)
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1799[15:16:39] <pingfloyd> no_gravity: what I do when a usb stick
acts up like that is remove all partitions on it and create a fresh
partition table and partition the entire size.
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1802[15:16:50] <rabbitear_sdf> fat32 is the answer?
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1804[15:17:18] <no_gravity> So what I did now is that I told
gparted to create a msdos partition table and put a fat32 32GB
partition into it.
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1805[15:17:21] <pingfloyd> from there dd or whatever you want to
do with it (say change the partition layout etc) should work without
problems.
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1806[15:17:33] <rabbitear_sdf> I think in current partition
software, fat32 does not exist
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1807[15:18:03] <no_gravity> "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb"
resulted in a 30G thingy in the output of "mount".
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1808[15:18:11] <no_gravity> Let's copy the files...
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1809[15:18:54] <rabbitear_sdf> you will never find another
parition label <- nice, saying that it is fat32 because of fat
people, just kidding, its because they FUD you with Windows Service
Drives language
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1810[15:19:29] <rabbitear_sdf> I actually do not like how they
hide 'fat32' and 'fat16' etc
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1811[15:19:38] <no_gravity> Is there a 'cp -r" like
command that tells you the estimated time?
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1812[15:19:56] <rabbitear_sdf> no_gravity: time
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1813[15:20:06] <no_gravity> rabbitear_sdf: That would tell me the
time afterwards.
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1814[15:20:11] <jolt> no_gravity: nope. You could use rsync to
see how fast the transfer is going (rsync -aP foo bar)
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1815[15:20:13] <no_gravity> I would like to know how long it
*will* take.
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1817[15:20:40] <rabbitear_sdf> like pv
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1819[15:20:49] <greycat> Even after the cp believes it has
finished, the flushing of the buffers to the USB device will take
even longer.
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1821[15:20:52] <rabbitear_sdf> 'pipe' 'view'
pv ?
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1823[15:20:54] <jolt> no_gravity: It depends on how fast usb
tranfer you have. So it's complicated :D
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1824[15:21:27] <shtrb|laptop> Am I the only one who need to
remind that you need to specfiy to be a FAT32 and the default might
be FAT16 ?
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1825[15:21:27] <rabbitear_sdf> jolt: why?
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1827[15:21:41] <jolt> no_gravity: Also, most progressbars lies,
so it doesn't matter anyway. But use rsync (or pv), and you
will see the througput, then you can use that together with the
filesize to figure out how long it takes
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1828[15:21:43] <rabbitear_sdf> jolt: are you trying measure
speed?
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1832[15:22:49] <jolt> rabbitear_sdf: I'm not trying to do
anything. Just explaining that knowing how long something will take
is always a guesstimate
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1833[15:23:04] <rabbitear_sdf> jolt: pv is just fun, usually your
stream in buffered, so it doesn't really know, it just guesses
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1835[15:23:22] <rabbitear_sdf> jolt: yes!
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1837[15:23:41] <rabbitear_sdf> jolt: ^5 for you saying that at
the same time
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1839[15:24:10] <rabbitear_sdf> we can move on now
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1840[15:24:16] <no_gravity> Accoriding to "du -h" 2.4G
have been copied so far.
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1841[15:24:30] <no_gravity> But the first 1.5G happened almost
immediately.
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1842[15:24:34] <greycat> Buffering.
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1843[15:24:40] <no_gravity> So I think that was just buffering.
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1844[15:24:40] <no_gravity> Yeah
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1845[15:25:08] <no_gravity> Maybe I should put the stick into a
USB-3 Port
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1846[15:25:14] <jolt> no_gravity: That is why progressbar lies.
Also, a writeable medium is always non-linear in speed
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1848[15:25:23] <rabbitear_sdf> buffering seems to be the WORD OF
THE DAY HERE!
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1850[15:25:37] <jolt> no_gravity: Also, rsync directly to the
other host is always faster :)
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1853[15:25:48] <no_gravity> jolt: 'to the other host'?
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1855[15:26:03] <no_gravity> I have the feeling it writes about
100MB every 30 seconds.
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1857[15:26:11] <greycat> To the host that you are going to stick
the USB device into to copy the data over.
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1859[15:26:19] <no_gravity> Then it would take 200*0.5 = 100
minutes. Urgs.
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1860[15:26:33] <no_gravity> greycat: How? Via telephatic
channels?
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1861[15:26:41] <greycat> Usually via an ethernet.
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1862[15:26:54] <greycat> Except you kiddies and your wifis make
that less of a sure thing these days.
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1863[15:26:59] <no_gravity> greycat: Guess I would need cables
and usb ports then.
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1866[15:27:08] <rabbitear_sdf> via alisa
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1867[15:27:12] <no_gravity> Over my wifi it would take 4 hours.
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1870[15:27:48] <jolt> ip2fax
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1871[15:27:50] <rabbitear_sdf> aliza
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1873[15:28:12] <no_gravity> Let's see if the USB-3 port is
faster...
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1874[15:28:25] <rabbitear_sdf> and I got your list of phone
numbers you can use
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1877[15:28:42] <no_gravity> Maybe cp -r is slow?
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1878[15:28:47] <no_gravity> Should I rsync instead?
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1879[15:28:55] <rabbitear_sdf> no_gravity: no
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1884[15:29:15] <greycat> You should always use rsync, because it
will intelligently copy only the missing bits instead of ALL the
bits.
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1885[15:29:18] <rabbitear_sdf> rsync..... will take lots of time
in the front terying to figure out what it should do
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1886[15:29:31] <rabbitear_sdf> no_gravity: just let it cp
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1888[15:29:48] <jolt> rabbitear_sdf: Faster than figuring out how
to format and create a vfat filesystem, just saying
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1889[15:29:52] <amprxc> hello
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1890[15:29:53] <rabbitear_sdf> no_gravity: you can cp -nr for no
clobbler later
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1891[15:30:02] <no_gravity> rabbitear_sdf: What's that?
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1892[15:30:20] <greycat> you're actually LISTENING to
rabbitear_sdf? at this point? why?
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1893[15:30:22] <rabbitear_sdf> jolt: good, and I forgot what I
was talking about
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1894[15:30:36] <rabbitear_sdf> no_gravity: I forgot a\wh\\\at, I
was talking about
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1895[15:30:37] <no_gravity> The USB-3 Port seems to be just as
slow.
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1898[15:31:34] <no_gravity> Well, I'll just let it run.
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1899[15:31:52] <rabbitear_sdf> its that rsync takes a long time
to compute what is going on before it copies
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1900[15:33:08] <amprxc> hello, i have a question : i would like
to use the preseed.cfg so as to partitioning my discs. I would like
that all except /boot/ go on /dev/sda. How can i do that ?
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1901[15:33:11] <dionysus69> what's the difference between:
user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
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1902[15:33:18] <dionysus69> and ALL=(ALL) ALL
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1903[15:33:25] <greycat> isn't it obvious?
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1904[15:33:52] <dionysus69> so it gives sudo priviledge and
doesnt even ask for password?
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1905[15:34:13] <rabbitear_sdf> dionysus69: the sudoers manpage is
hard to read
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1906[15:34:15] <greycat> Assuming that's the correct syntax,
yes. The syntax is ridiculously stupid.
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1907[15:34:16] <dionysus69> is it good practice? even if i can
only access VM through rsa ssh key
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1910[15:34:45] <rabbitear_sdf> dionysus69: you should read it,
and tell them how you feel about it
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1911[15:35:16] <greycat> The man page is atrocious because
it's trying to describe the syntax which is atrocious.
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1913[15:35:19] <rabbitear_sdf> dionysus69: bunch of bastards
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1914[15:35:41] <dionysus69> dunno I didnt even try to read
manpage such a simple thing
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1915[15:35:43] <dionysus69> for*
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1917[15:35:52] <dionysus69> I would take an hour to find what I
need
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1918[15:36:09] <dionysus69> but anyways
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1919[15:36:12] <rabbitear_sdf> or fuzz the input
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1920[15:36:13] <dionysus69> is it good practice?
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1921[15:36:17] <rabbitear_sdf> and see what works
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1922[15:36:21] <greycat> greybot says "username ALL =
NOPASSWD: /some/program"
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1923[15:36:23] <dionysus69> even if I have secure ssh connection
to it
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1924[15:36:28] <greycat> That is all I know.
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1927[15:38:02] <rabbitear_sdf> dionysus69: stop mixing protocols
together
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1928[15:38:08] <rabbitear_sdf> dionysus69: now
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1932[15:39:35] <jolt> dionysus69: If it's a single user
machine, then might be ok. If it's a multiuser system, well,
depends on company policies or whatnot. If you ever copy/paste some
code which asks for sudo, and then executes the code without you
knowing what it does, well, if that's good or bad is really up
to you...
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1934[15:40:02] <dionysus69> I am talking about a cloud VM
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1937[15:40:22] <dionysus69> for hosting stuff on it with ssh and
maybe one more port open
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1938[15:40:31] <jolt> dionysus69: well. Have you ever copy/pasted
something into that vm and never been concernd that a command is
executed without password?
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1939[15:40:59] <dionysus69> no
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1940[15:41:10] <jolt> dionysus69: if it's only your host and
you run everything as root, well, then NOPASSWD won't matter
anyway. And since it's only for logged in users, it's
really just up to you
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1942[15:41:32] <dionysus69> but then if someone gets temporary
access to it for various reasons, let's say even from my own
client pc, the attacker than can run sudo stuff without password too
right?
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1943[15:41:41] <jolt> dionysus69: exactly.
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1944[15:41:47] <dionysus69> no I don't use root user
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1945[15:41:54] <rabbitear_sdf> I just think its a funny saying
''Don't let the manual hit you in the
ass!''
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1946[15:42:01] <dionysus69> even if it's my own VM or pc or
whatever
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1948[15:42:36] <dionysus69> so to keep sudo password on is a good
idea, even if I am the sole user
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1949[15:42:40] <jolt> dionysus69: The question is: do you ever
want to run system commands without etnering your password?
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1950[15:42:46] <dionysus69> is that the conclusion? :D I am just
wondering about the conventions
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1951[15:43:00] <jelly> dionysus69: it can be good practice if you
provide access for specific users to run specific commands as other
users
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1952[15:43:00] <dionysus69> no, and if I do then I can switch to
root user
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1953[15:43:19] <rabbitear_sdf> hey jelly
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1954[15:43:32] <dionysus69> well yea in that case I would create
specific user for them and then let them run passwordless sudo on a
specific program
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1955[15:43:34] <jelly> eg. have web developers be able to edit
apache config and restart just the web services and webapps
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1956[15:43:35] <dionysus69> not on everything
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1957[15:43:45] <greycat> The main reason people use NOPASSWD in
sudoers is because they want a SCRIPT (usually a cron job) to be
able to do something.
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1958[15:43:50] <rabbitear_sdf> jelly: my new favorit saying
''don't let the manual hit you in the
ass!''
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1959[15:43:56] <jolt> jelly: Yeah, I would never let that happen!
:D
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1961[15:44:40] <dionysus69> I am using system cron anyway
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1962[15:44:48] <rabbitear_sdf> lol
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1963[15:45:02] <dionysus69> user specific cron is a headache
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1965[15:45:13] <rabbitear_sdf> dionysus69: no
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1966[15:45:18] <rabbitear_sdf> dionysus69: not really
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1967[15:45:45] <dionysus69> I dont like systemctl commands which
need --user
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1968[15:45:50] <rabbitear_sdf> yes
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1969[15:45:51] <dionysus69> systemd is confusing enough
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1970[15:46:01] <rabbitear_sdf> I do not like systemd either
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1971[15:46:07] <rabbitear_sdf> but it is always somewhere
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1972[15:46:13] <rabbitear_sdf> so fuck it
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1974[15:46:26] <dionysus69> :D
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1976[15:47:01] <rabbitear_sdf> you don't have to use it,
ssssssssshhhhhhhhh!!!!
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1977[15:47:07] <rabbitear_sdf> don't tell anybody
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1982[15:49:43] <dionysus69> ok I prefer entering a password
rather risking a rare anomaly
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1983[15:50:34] <rabbitear_sdf> I prefer following what I wrote,
instead of some magic black box
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1985[15:51:55] <rabbitear_sdf> but those are the breaks
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1986[15:52:12] <jelly> sure, go enter a password every hour
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1987[15:52:33] <jelly> ... previously on Lost
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1989[15:53:38] <rabbitear_sdf> Lost is a too old show
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1993[15:54:50] <rabbitear_sdf> freakin Found already!
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2000[15:58:30] <rabbitear_sdf> I'll ask your questions for
you ,',',' how come nobody googles anything anymore?
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2006[16:00:37] <pingfloyd> because google sucks. long live DDG!
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2014[16:02:40] <rabbitear_sdf> LLDDG for real! too
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2017[16:03:09] <rabbitear_sdf> its my mini girlfriend, duckduckgo
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2020[16:03:38] <rabbitear_sdf> DDG rocks, I'm sorry for the
people that do not know
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2025[16:04:58] <pingfloyd> DDG is better for searching for tech
stuff, and Bing is better at searching for porn. Google's got
nothing anymore other than zombie mindshare.
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2037[16:07:05] <rabbitear_sdf> zombie mind share
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2038[16:07:08] <Aebian> whats the recommended java package I
should use for application like tomcat?
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2040[16:07:34] <rabbitear_sdf> Aebian: what do you mean?
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2043[16:08:33] <Aebian> well tomcat seems unable to use my
unpacked oracle java from their website. So I thought there should
be an easier way getting it to work
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2044[16:09:18] <rabbitear_sdf> Aebian: don't let the manual
hit you at the door
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2045[16:09:38] <pingfloyd> apt-cache depends tomcat8 | grep
Recommends
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2054[16:12:18] <rabbitear_sdf> I think I'm gonna try and
follow you around from now on Aebian
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2058[16:13:18] <Aebian> well could be my script the cause? Thats
my tomcat start script:
replaced-url
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2059[16:13:33] <Aebian> it always sais it cannot find
/online/administration/runtime/jse
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2061[16:13:42] <Aebian> but clearly there is java in that folder
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2063[16:14:45] <rabbitear_sdf> Aebian: do you have a link with
less numbers and letters in it?
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2064[16:15:23] <greycat> rabbitear_sdf: Consider this your first
warning: you are not contributing anything to this channel at the
moment. You are just spewing noise. Please stop.
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2067[16:15:37] <rabbitear_sdf> okay
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2068[16:15:56] <rabbitear_sdf> greycat: I was trying to fit
everything into my needs
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2070[16:16:02] <rabbitear_sdf> greycat: I will stop
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2071[16:16:05] <pingfloyd> how come you don't install
default-jdk package?
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2072[16:16:31] <pingfloyd> shouldn't even have to bother
with oracle java
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2074[16:16:47] <Aebian> well there is no reason why, so I'll
try that instead
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2075[16:16:54] <Aebian> thanks
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2076[16:16:59] <jelly> Aebian: what does catalina.{out,err} say,
if anything?
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2077[16:17:13] <pingfloyd> they're pretty much identical
except openjdk has a better license
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2079[16:17:51] <jelly> and some vendors deny support unless
you're running their app with oracle's build
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2080[16:18:23] <Aebian> jelly: only that java couldn't be
found. But I'll check with the openjdk package and see if that
changes (I guess yes)
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2081[16:19:03] <pingfloyd> Aebian: just install default-jdk
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2083[16:19:12] <rabbitear_sdf> Aebian: you could try ENV varibles
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2086[16:19:44] <jelly> Aebian: weird. You got tomcat from apache
tarball as well?
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2089[16:20:29] <Aebian> jelly: exactly from the website, no
package. pingfloyd just did, I will test now
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2091[16:21:19] <jelly> Aebian: does PATH contain ${JAVA_HOME}/bin
? your init script does not set it, and neither does the upstream
startup.sh or catalina.sh
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2093[16:22:10] <jelly> installing default-jdk would put a symlink
for openjdk as /usr/bin/java
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2095[16:22:30] <somiaj> in that init.d script, would a systemd
unit maybe work better. Probably not the issue, but wouldn't su
- <foo> clear a lot of the enviorment, including what was
exported?
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2096[16:23:27] <somiaj> ahh nevermind, guess the manpage clears
this up, The current environment is passed to the new shell.
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2099[16:23:43] <jelly> oh right, our own custom init script for
tomcat uses su $user -c ...
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2100[16:23:46] <rabbitear_sdf> su - foo brings the eviorment of
that user
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2101[16:23:46] <jelly> without -
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2103[16:24:15] <somiaj> I'm unsure what sort of the
enviorment is kept with that extra dash, just courious mostly.
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2105[16:24:24] <jelly> or not.
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2108[16:24:27] <jelly> [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ] &&
SUCMD="/bin/su - tomcat -c" || SUCMD=
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2109[16:24:29] <rabbitear_sdf> su foo, you have the same env
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2113[16:24:49] <greycat> jelly: ereplaced-url
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2114[16:25:17] <greycat> jelly: but you'd also have to
quote-ify the entire command that follows $SUCMD somehow...
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2115[16:25:19] <jelly> greycat: developer sometimes forgets to
sudo sometimes not
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2116[16:25:36] <epsilon> is tehere any binary that actually
doen't do anything and just quit on Ctrl-C?
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2117[16:25:39] <jelly> greycat: of course, since that's how
new su works anyway
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2119[16:25:47] <jelly> since... squeeze?
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2120[16:25:47] <epsilon> something like true, but wait until
Ctrl-C...
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2121[16:25:49] <greycat> epsilon: sleep 10000000000 is pretty
close
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2124[16:26:24] <jelly> greycat: [...] $SUCMD "$tomcat
start"
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2125[16:26:43] <greycat> jelly: I'm not sure what
you're saying. Are you saying Debian's su permits: su -
username -c sleep 100 without quotes?
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2126[16:26:50] <jelly> now that I look at that it seems like that
would be broken for user tomcat.
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2127[16:26:59] <jelly> greycat: it does not, but used to
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2131[16:27:44] <jelly> I mean it permits it, but won't do
what is wanted
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2133[16:28:01] <greycat> jelly: perhaps what you want is more
like sucmd() { if test -w /; then "$@"; else /bin/su -
tomcat -c "$*"; fi; } # and that is STILL HORRIBLE
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2135[16:28:44] <greycat> err, other way around
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2136[16:28:54] <greycat> switch the then/else
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2137[16:29:02] <jelly> greycat: there are restrictions on
what's allowed as "$@" so it doesn't matter
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2138[16:29:05] <rabbitear_sdf> greycat: if test is strange to me,
but I suppose that works
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2139[16:29:32] <jelly> and if it fails to work when user runs
with stupid params, I don't care
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2142[16:29:47] <greycat> I prefer test over [ when writing code
that humans are supposed to understand, because then people
don't think that [ is some magic shell syntax character. They
can actually see a command named "test" and realize
"oh, this is a command".
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2143[16:30:12] <jelly> humans don't edit that init script,
sysadmins do
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2144[16:30:15] <rabbitear_sdf> lol ok
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2145[16:30:15] <greycat> People who see "if [ blah ]"
think that [ is not a command, but a shell syntax character. [ is a
command. IT's confusing as fuck.
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2146[16:30:59] <rabbitear_sdf> greycat: has a point
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2148[16:31:01] <greycat> (and then ksh & bash went and made a
[[ command with magical powers and syntax-breaking exceptions to
rules...)
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2149[16:31:09] <rabbitear_sdf> in bash .. I think
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2150[16:31:16] <jelly> [ blah ] && yes || no looks even
more like weird syntax but it also looks more like a command
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2151[16:31:21] <greycat> man [
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2153[16:31:28] <pingfloyd> it's not confusing if you know
bash well
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2154[16:31:41] <greycat>
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2159[16:32:52] <jelly> the next iteration, if it happens, will be
a systemd unit anyway
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2160[16:33:05] <rabbitear_sdf> LOL!!!!!
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2161[16:33:34] <Iridos> pingfloyd, it's not confusing, if
you have already been confused by it many times over, so you now
know that it's weird, but are not confused by it anymore?
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2165[16:34:11] <rabbitear_sdf> jelly: thankhyou, know I can drink
the rest of my beer, comfirmed stutations
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2172[16:36:23] <petn-randall> !lol
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2173[16:36:23] <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or
bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you
look like an AOL user.
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2174[16:36:37] <pingfloyd> in regards to pf22. That's why
you should using like { foo && bar; } || baz if you need
beyond just if/then (without else) logic and want to do it in that
format.
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2175[16:37:21] <pingfloyd> Iridos: like that with any language
though
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2176[16:38:34] <Iridos> I was going to add: unlike ANY other
thing in the universe :-}
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2180[16:39:56] <greycat> pingfloyd: or just use "if"
like a sane person who isn't trying to write line-noise or golf
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2185[16:41:22] <bleb> any place i can get more info on the
dropping of kfreebsd?
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2186[16:41:30] <bleb> i found this mail
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2189[16:41:42] <bleb> "We discussed kfreebsd at length, but
are not satisfied that a
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2190[16:41:42] <bleb> release with Jessie will be of sufficient
quality. We are dropping
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2191[16:41:43] <bleb> it as an official release architecture,
though we do hope that the
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2192[16:41:43] <bleb> porters will be able to make a simultaneous
unofficial release."
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2193[16:41:57] <jelly> bleb: the situation has not changed
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2194[16:42:11] <jelly> it's still unofficial
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2198[16:42:45] <bleb> jelly: i was wondering about the reasoning
behind dropping it in the first place
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2202[16:43:28] <jelly> bleb: typically and architecture is
omitted from supported list when it's not good enough; either
too many missing builds, or known to be unstable
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2204[16:43:52] <bleb> "it's not ready" would
normally be a reason to delay the release and get it ready
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2205[16:43:52] <jelly> one can still install it, but there's
no official support and security team doesn't have to care
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2206[16:44:01] <rabbitear_sdf> vim might be going into systemd
soon
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2207[16:44:07] <jelly> !slap rabbitear_sdf
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2209[16:44:08] * dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across
rabbitear_sdf's face
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2210[16:44:21] <rabbitear_sdf> :> sry
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2211[16:44:40] <jelly> bleb: sure, if there's reason to
expect things would be fixed soon
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2212[16:45:08] <bleb> so what changed between wheezy and jessie
that made kernel agnosticism unrealistic?
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2214[16:45:22] <bleb> did they see this coming or was it just
like "woah we haven't done any work on kfreebsd,
oops"
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2215[16:45:24] <jelly> someone has to do the work
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2216[16:46:00] <jelly> and honestly noone cares about freebsd +
glibc setup other than Debian
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2219[16:46:45] <rabbitear_sdf> I think my x230 is getting freebsd
soon, because....
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2221[16:47:20] <bleb> jelly: so the people who had previously
done the work for wheezy kfreebsd stopped doing the work?
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2222[16:47:27] <jelly> rabbitear_sdf: dude, please keep it to
support questions or answers in here, chat goes to #debian-offtopic
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2224[16:47:40] <petn-randall> rabbitear_sdf: Again, this is not a
general chat channel. Try keep the noise down. There are plenty of
chat channels elsewhere.
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2225[16:47:41] <jelly> bleb: or there's more work
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2226[16:48:00] <rabbitear_sdf> jelly: sorry, I'll talk in
offtopic then
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2227[16:48:10] <jelly> bleb: I have no idea, but that's not
the only obscure arch with not enough people to care about it
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2228[16:48:11] <bleb> does anyone have more info about why there
would be more work or fewer people doing the work?
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2230[16:48:23] <bleb> kfreebsd is not an arch is it
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2231[16:48:31] <jelly> it's two arches
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2232[16:48:40] <jelly> 32bit one and 64bit one :-)
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2233[16:48:56] <jelly> !kfreebsd
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2234[16:48:56] <bleb> ok
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2235[16:48:56] <dpkg> Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists
of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's
kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64
and kfreebsd-i386 are not official release architectures since
Debian 8 "Jessie" due to quality concerns.
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2239[16:50:04] <bleb> maybe some folks in #debian-kbsd will have
more info
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2240[16:50:08] <bleb> thanks anyway
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2242[16:51:07] <jelly> yes
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2248[16:53:10] <Aebian> pingfloyd: thank you, it worked with the
openjdk
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2251[16:54:14] <jelly> bleb: but more importantly, where's
my x32 installer?!!? :-)
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2254[16:54:40] <jelly> now with smaller pointers! More registers!
More efficiency!
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2263[16:55:48] <jelly> kfreebsd is in aso much better shape, you
can probably debootstrap it from freebsd or grab a sid root tarball
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2273[16:58:55] <karlpinc> Any clues on how to write a procmail
recipe that deals with wrapped header lines?
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2276[17:00:36] <bleb> what does "official support" even
really mean?
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2277[17:00:59] <bleb> do donations to the debian foundation go
towards funding development of official projects?
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2281[17:01:18] <greycat> !spi
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2282[17:01:18] <dpkg> Software in the Public Interest (SPI) is
the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software
projects.
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2288[17:02:28] <jelly> bleb: roughly "we will have a working
bootable iso image at release team, and security team will build
patches for this arch", and all the infrastructure to make that
work
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2289[17:02:30] <AliceKelly> good morning
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2290[17:02:33] <jelly> release time*
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2292[17:02:56] <bleb> ic
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2293[17:05:29] <jelly> if unofficial, builds of security fixes
are done anyway but FTBFS does not stop patches for other
architectures and DSA from going out
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2294[17:05:36] <themill> working installer, compiler, toolchain.
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2297[17:05:59] <themill> and most importantly people actually
doing work on it, not just talking about how someone else should do
so
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2299[17:06:53] <jelly> bleb: but I bet a steady $2000 a month
would give you one extra dev for kfreebsd if you asked nicely!
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2331[17:32:45] <Kian> Hi I would like to know the meaning of
[Security] tag found in this site:
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2332[17:33:02] <greycat> ,v redmine
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2333[17:33:03] <judd> Package: redmine on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.4.4+dfsg1-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 2.5.1-2~bpo70+6;
jessie-security: 3.0~20140825-8~deb8u2; jessie:
3.0~20140825-8~deb8u4; stretch: 3.3.1-4; stretch-proposed-updates:
3.3.1-4+deb9u1; stretch-security: 3.3.1-4+deb9u1; sid: 3.4.5-1
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2334[17:33:15] <greycat> stretch-security has a newer version
than stretch
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2335[17:33:19] <greycat> that's probably what it means
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2336[17:33:55] <Kian> ok, so it doesn't mean that there is
any security vulnerabilities coming with this package?
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2338[17:36:06] <ksk> Kian: it means that the security team (and
not the package maintainer) fixed a security bug in that package.
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2340[17:36:20] <karlpinc> Kian: Depends. They may or may not be
disclosed. Regardless, packages go through the debian build and
testing process to make sure that you don't install something
broken because of a security fix. If you really care you could look
at the CVE database. If it's a serious security problem it gets
sped through testing. (I think.)
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2341[17:36:52] <karlpinc> Kian: I don't really know any
details of the process.
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2343[17:37:24] <Kian> alright, thanks for the info Karl
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2346[17:37:51] <ksk> Kian: you could further assume that -known-
security issues would be listed here:
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2348[17:38:10] <karlpinc> Kian: All I know is that there's
always security fixes in the pipeline. That's how we get
security updates.
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2350[17:38:26] <ksk> I dont ever check if there is a security
issue with $package before installing. might not be the best
approach though ;)
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2351[17:38:44] <ksk> and yes, security is a moving target.
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2352[17:38:58] <jelly> ksk: you can apt-listbugs to do it at
installation time
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2353[17:39:34] <ksk> jelly: ah yes, been using that on my testing
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2413[18:05:29] <ChunkyPuffs> Anybody up now?
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2414[18:05:57] <ChunkyPuffs> I really need some help with an old
pc, really tried just about everything, old asus EEEPc, can't
get i915/g45/pineview video accel working at all.
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2415[18:06:25] <ChunkyPuffs> Debian article recommends Squeeze,
and says it works flawlessly on Squeeze, however I obviously
couldn't get that now if I tried.
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2417[18:06:45] <greycat> !archive
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2418[18:06:46] <dpkg> it has been said that archive is a
collection of files. 'tar', 'ar',
'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as
compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the
repository for old Debian releases, see
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2419[18:06:47] <ChunkyPuffs> All versions of debian have this
issue, even arch has this issue, fedora too, seems software has
forgotten this hardware.
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2421[18:07:08] <greycat> Maybe the hardware just sucks.
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2424[18:07:25] <ChunkyPuffs> How dare you say that about
something that a large Debian article was written about lol.
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2426[18:07:34] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: how much RAM does that thing
have?
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2428[18:07:48] <ChunkyPuffs> 1GB ddr2 single channel, expandable
to 4gb.
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2430[18:07:57] <ChunkyPuffs> so debian is one of the few distros
that actually netboots over pxe lmao.
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2431[18:08:05] <jelly> try wheezy.
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2433[18:08:11] <jelly> (debian 7)
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2434[18:08:14] <ChunkyPuffs> I've tried all Debian versions,
they don't work.
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2437[18:08:24] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: how do they fail
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2438[18:08:26] <ChunkyPuffs> Debian 9 works flawlessly, just no
video accel, nor on any of the others.
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2440[18:08:43] <ChunkyPuffs> just video accel, libva, give me a
sec.
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2442[18:08:57] <ChunkyPuffs> relevant keywords: i915, g45, intel
pineview
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2444[18:09:14] <ChunkyPuffs> "Intel video i915_drv_video.so
fails to load"
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2445[18:09:15] <judd> Bug
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2446[18:09:17] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: what does "vainfo"
say
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2447[18:09:20] <ChunkyPuffs> that
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2448[18:09:31] <ChunkyPuffs> all bug reports are a loose end,
closed because nothing was resolved
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2455[18:12:06] <rabbitear_sdf> ChunkyPuffs: offer a fix
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2456[18:12:30] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm not someone who is capable
of offering a fix.
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2458[18:12:39] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: okay, what does
"glxinfo|grep -C1 Vendor" say?
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2459[18:12:41] <ChunkyPuffs>
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2463[18:14:09] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: you can ask upstream people
if they still care about and can help with i965 / G45 in #intel-gfx
channel
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2464[18:14:16] <ChunkyPuffs> i915
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2465[18:14:22] <ChunkyPuffs> not i965
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2466[18:14:29] <jelly> oh it's not even i965?
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2469[18:14:39] <ChunkyPuffs> well the problem is I can't do
anything with this thing if I can't get video accel
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2471[18:14:46] <jelly> well then va for i965 won't work will
it
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2472[18:14:51] <rabbitear_sdf> ChunkyPuffs: that driver is the
same, but you could ask
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2473[18:15:05] <ChunkyPuffs> oh hey you're right
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2475[18:15:19] <ChunkyPuffs> maybe I'm misreading something,
but i965 and i915 have been slurring together in my head
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2476[18:15:33] <ChunkyPuffs> anyway, that's how debian
installs by default from 7 - 9
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2477[18:15:41] <ChunkyPuffs> how can I tell it to not use i965?
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2478[18:15:45] <rabbitear_sdf> ChunkyPuffs: really that is the
same driver
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2479[18:16:36] <ChunkyPuffs> oh nvm, this is wrong, completely
wrong.
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2480[18:16:37] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: people used to put
minipci/minipcie crystalhd video decoders in netbooks from that age
to be able to decode divx and h264 720p, 1080p
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2481[18:16:47] <ChunkyPuffs> Headless, vainfo produces i965, on
the system it produces i915
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2482[18:16:58] <jelly> you can't tell it to use a driver for
a different chip
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2483[18:17:50] <ChunkyPuffs>
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2487[18:19:07] <rabbitear_sdf> I have a few eeepc's and
those drivers are all the same
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2488[18:19:20] <rabbitear_sdf> i915
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2490[18:19:28] <ChunkyPuffs> right, I've never had an issue
like this before, so my knowledge of what to do is limited.
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2491[18:19:32] <ChunkyPuffs> Do I need a backport or something?
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2494[18:20:49] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: the docs suggest your
hardware just does not decode mpeg4 or h264
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2495[18:21:00] <rabbitear_sdf> ChunkyPuffs: I'm on thin ice,
but how do you know there is no accelerated video
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2496[18:21:04] <jelly> no amount of software will fix that
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2498[18:21:15] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs:
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2501[18:21:47] <ChunkyPuffs> Well I'm pretty sure it worked
fine on Win7
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2502[18:21:58] <ChunkyPuffs> youtube and stuff like that worked
fine on Win7
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2503[18:22:03] <jelly> possibly in software, or assisted
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2504[18:22:17] <rabbitear_sdf> jelly: you can re-encode your
videos, to a less cpu intestive encoding
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2506[18:22:48] <rabbitear_sdf> sorry ChunkyPuffs, not jelly
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2507[18:22:53] <jelly> encoding takes a LOT more resources than
decoding
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2510[18:23:25] <ChunkyPuffs> It's not about that, it's
about having a usable system
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2511[18:23:30] <ChunkyPuffs> you know, for web browsing
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2512[18:23:33] <rabbitear_sdf> yeah, but after done, can watch
the video without stopping
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2513[18:23:35] <ChunkyPuffs> like it was in win7,
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2514[18:23:42] <ChunkyPuffs> the way it apparently was in squeeze
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2516[18:23:53] <tijeretas__> re-encoding videos on an eeepc, lol!
I'd rather suggest using mpv to play youtube and let it read
the 480p link from youtube directly.
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2517[18:23:54] <ChunkyPuffs> What you're suggesting is
silly.
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2518[18:24:09] <ChunkyPuffs> that's like using gento on an
atom processor
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2519[18:24:13] <ChunkyPuffs> gentoo*
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2520[18:24:17] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: also, the browser you use
might not know how to use acceleration on that particular system.
Pick a video, install mpv and youtube-dl, see if "mpv
URL_HERE" works better
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2522[18:24:28] <ChunkyPuffs> hmm, sure
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2524[18:24:36] <jelly> ninjad!
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2526[18:25:01] <rabbitear_sdf> youtube-dl is pretty good
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2528[18:25:15] <jelly> ,v youtube-dl
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2529[18:25:16] <judd> Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- jessie:
2014.08.05-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 2017.05.18.1-1~bpo8+2;
stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; buster: 2018.04.25-1; sid: 2018.04.25-1;
buster-multimedia: 2018.05.18-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2018.05.18-dmo1
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2533[18:25:47] <tijeretas__> I use qutebrowser and call a script
from it that opens the current youtube video in mpv
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2534[18:25:47] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: but get yt-dl from upstream,
the one in stretch might be too old
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2535[18:25:47] <rabbitear_sdf> 'pip install youtube-dl'
:)
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2536[18:26:09] <hypn0> make a front end, its even better :-)
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2538[18:26:58] <dionysus69> pulse audio is driving me mad
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2539[18:27:18] <dionysus69> once in a while system sound happens
and the volume of let's say, clementine drops from 100 to 50%
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2541[18:27:33] <dionysus69> then I have to manually open up the
volume controller and put it back to 100%
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2542[18:27:38] <dionysus69> how the hell do I fix this
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2545[18:28:40] <hypn0> when you find out, tell me :-)
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2548[18:29:26] <tijeretas__> dionysus69: Pulseaudio never
automatically sets volume for me, so I wonder if this isn't a
behaviour from whatever plays the system sounds?
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2552[18:30:29] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs, rabbitear_sdf: I
wouldn't go with pip, just download "youtube-dl" from
replaced-url
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2555[18:31:08] <jelly> dionysus69: keep a pavucontrol window open
someplace
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2556[18:31:23] <hypn0> theres a deb isn't there :-/
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2558[18:31:39] <hypn0> in repo
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2559[18:31:43] <jelly> for what
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2560[18:31:54] <hypn0> youtube-dl
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2562[18:32:02] <jelly> yes
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2564[18:32:23] <jelly> it's old and web sites change APIs
all the time
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2565[18:32:57] <jelly> you can backport or use upstream's
executable bundle
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2567[18:33:01] <hypn0> maybe that's why mine isn't
working properly :-O
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2568[18:33:02] <tijeretas__> a terribly outdated version, yes.
sadly, websites change APIs almost daily. that's why it's
best to have youtube-dl from their website inside $HOME/bin or
something and just manually update it with youtube-dl (the debian
package has manual update disabled)
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2570[18:33:25] <jelly> there's a fourth option that I
won't mention in here
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2571[18:33:34] <ChunkyPuffs>
replaced-url
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2572[18:33:40] <ChunkyPuffs> eh.. how can I grab this for debian
without compiling
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2574[18:34:57] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: by asking someone else to
compile it
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2575[18:34:59] * jelly hides
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2577[18:35:27] <ChunkyPuffs> jelly, hi can you compile chromium
for me on your 128 thread megabeast?
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2578[18:35:45] <jelly> I haven't tried, so no idea whether I
can do it!
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2579[18:36:20] <jhutchins_wk> ChunkyPuffs: Why not go ahead and
build it yourself?
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2580[18:36:33] <jhutchins_wk> !uupdate
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2581[18:36:34] <dpkg> uupdate (in the <devscripts> package)
upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if
the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get
source foo; wget -nd
replaced-url
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2582[18:36:45] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: I'd estimate the work at
2 hours minimum, and it's cheaper to buy a sandybridge 2011
laptop than to pay me to do it
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2583[18:37:48] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: they have a 1GiB netbook. I
dare you to try building ANYTHING with chromium in the name on that.
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2588[18:38:55] <webuser5224> Is the swap partition encrypted if
one chooses the option "Guided - use entire disk and set up
encrypted LVM" in the graphical Debian installer?
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2589[18:39:12] <jelly> echo "int main() { return 0; }"
> truechromium.c && make truechromium # not allowed
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2590[18:39:28] <jelly> webuser5224: yes
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2592[18:39:48] <jelly> if you actually tell the partitioning
thing to create a swap LV
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2593[18:40:03] <webuser5224> jelly, thanks! I wasn't
completely sure, but it also showed me the encrypted volume having
the size of root and swap combined
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2595[18:41:54] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: oh sorry, the docs actually
say H.264 is supported
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2613[18:52:07] <ChunkyPuffs> jelly, getting much better FPS in
mpv via youtube-dl
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2614[18:52:17] <ChunkyPuffs> although it's more like 10fps
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2615[18:52:20] <ChunkyPuffs> at least it's consistent
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2616[18:52:31] <ChunkyPuffs> something is definitely broken
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2617[18:53:40] <ChunkyPuffs> Running just fine in VLC it seems
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2620[18:54:04] <ChunkyPuffs> yup jelly no dropped frames in VLC
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2621[18:54:15] <ChunkyPuffs> Well, there are, just far less than
MPV
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2629[18:56:28] <dionysus69> jelly: really :D ?
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2631[18:56:51] <ChunkyPuffs> Now how do I make chrome actually
work with this hardware decoding
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2632[18:57:40] <ChunkyPuffs> Actually, this is not at all
hardware decoding, this is using up insane amounts of CPU :(
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2633[18:57:48] <ChunkyPuffs> but vlc can actually software decode
vid, so woo I guess
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2651[19:04:06] <Peyam> is the new ubuntu you dont have to write
apt-get install but only apt install. is it the same in debian?
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2652[19:04:30] <dionysus69> ok one more thing I am using cloud
init to set passwd for the user
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2654[19:04:44] <greycat> Peyam: yes
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2655[19:04:46] <dionysus69> for that I am using mkpasswd
--method=SHA-512 --rounds=4096
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2656[19:04:55] <babilen> Peyam: apt is very much a Debian thing
and as Ubuntu is downstream they got this change too
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2657[19:05:09] <Peyam> babilen, aah. cool
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2658[19:05:12] <dionysus69> but then the password on either root
or the user aren't correct anyway. am I missing anything?
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2665[19:09:09] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: you can ask youtube-dl to
give you a different quality stream instead of the best one
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2666[19:09:22] <ChunkyPuffs> sure but va is supposed to be
entirely possible
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2668[19:09:32] <ChunkyPuffs> I'm not happy with a whole
chunk of my processor's architecture not functioning
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2670[19:09:36] <ChunkyPuffs>
replaced-url
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2671[19:09:50] <ChunkyPuffs> a lot of these packages have
disappeared since wheezy
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2672[19:10:19] <jelly> just renamed
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2674[19:10:31] <ChunkyPuffs> no..?
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2675[19:10:35] <jelly> the i965-va-thing is the thing
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2676[19:10:36] <ChunkyPuffs>
replaced-url
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2677[19:10:38] <marino_> Hello, I'm strugling to install
Debian 9 on a storage volume through multipath. The Debian installer
detects just the sdX devices, but not the mpathX. I tried to follow
this wiki (replaced-url
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2678[19:10:45] <ChunkyPuffs> so i965-va-driver is all of those in
one?
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2679[19:11:16] <jelly> it's what makes h264 decoding on my
sandybridge work.
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2681[19:11:52] <jelly> saves a whole 1°C of CPU temperature!
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2687[19:12:55] <karlpinc> marino_: What version of debian are you
installing? (You can always drop to a command line and "do
stuff" there with ctl-alt-fN.)
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2691[19:13:53] <bipul> Hello, Do anyone here has experienced
installing PostgreSQL inside chroot. ? I have tried installing
inside chroot via "apt-get install postgresql
postgresql-contrib" but still unable to found postgres account
inside it
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2693[19:14:00] <marino_> karlpinc: last version: 9.4. But if the
Debian Installer isnt "seeing", is there anything I can do
through CLI?
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2694[19:14:15] <marino_> I mean, seeing the devices
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2695[19:14:17] <ChunkyPuffs> jelly, I believe it's trying to
use i915 when it should be using i965
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2696[19:14:46] <karlpinc> marino_: Dunno. The other thing to try
is using the unoffical installer with non-free firmware. That might
(possibly) help. Don't really know what I'm doing here....
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2703[19:15:34] <jelly> bipul: inside the chroot, follow these
steps
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2704[19:15:35] <karlpinc> marino_: At least from the command line
you can easily get more info about what is seen, what drivers are
loaded, etc.
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2705[19:15:39] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
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2706[19:15:39] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2707[19:15:41] <marino_> karlpinc: Yes, I'm already using
the unofficial installer, as I need HBA Qlogic non-free firmware
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2710[19:15:52] <bipul> Yes jelly
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2711[19:16:36] <bipul> Which step jelly ?
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2712[19:16:44] <jelly> ALL THE STEPS
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2719[19:17:39] <bipul> You want me to execute those steps inside
chroot?
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2720[19:18:01] <karlpinc> bipul: If the problem is that the
postgres account does not exist that means to me that the passwd
file is not available to the chroot. (methinks an lxc container of
some sort is less of a hassle than a chroot -- whatever.)
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2721[19:18:06] <jim> jelly, someone should write a thing that
runs all of 1,2 and 3, and pastebins them
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2722[19:18:10] <karlpinc> bipul: Yes. inside the chroot.
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2725[19:18:41] <bipul> karlpinc, Oh yes. That could be the
problem.
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2728[19:19:29] <jelly> jim: and automatically parse your pastebin
outputs and screenshots of apt-get/apt/aptitude to find all the
package names!
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2731[19:20:05] * karlpinc wants a pony
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2732[19:20:15] <jelly> !nopony jim
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2733[19:20:15] <dpkg> jim:
replaced-url
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2735[19:20:33] <jim> or, the original script could separate out
the package names
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2736[19:20:39] <jelly> thanks, karlpinc. thinc.
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2738[19:21:36] <jim> you'd run it as thething pkg1 pkg2 ...
pkgN, and it could just write the package names at the top line
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2740[19:22:31] <jelly> and preemptively log all dpkg and apt*
output just in case it fails
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2744[19:23:26] <jelly> and magically connect the machine to the
internet
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2745[19:23:38] <jim> yes, and, it's logging of the dpkg etc
output that's the main point
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2746[19:24:05] <greycat> and reach through the screen, grab the
user's mouse, move it over to the window where the output is,
scroll up, look for the start of the error messages, highlight the
start of the error messages with the mouse, then beep three times
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2747[19:24:11] <karlpinc> And, it wouldn't need installation
with apt either!
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2748[19:24:34] <jim> that's a good point
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2749[19:24:48] <jelly> :D>-<
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2751[19:25:42] <jim> I've historically had troubles
understanding the material of totem pole 101... what does that mean?
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2753[19:26:12] <ChunkyPuffs> just did apt install libva* -y
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2754[19:26:13] <jelly> it's a reference to a bash.org entry
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2755[19:26:14] <ChunkyPuffs> wish me luck
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2757[19:28:17] <jim> beep three times on the ceiling if yo want
meeeeeeee...
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2763[19:30:49] <jelly> ChunkyPuffs: my gut feeling is this has
been broken for a while, much like a bunch of other functionality
for old intel gpu chips, and you might technically be able to get
help from upstream if the chip is still supported and you're
willing to invest in building kernels and drm/dri/mesa stack because
they frown when someone says they have 4.9
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2765[19:31:18] <ChunkyPuffs> but this is broken even on arch
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2767[19:31:28] <ChunkyPuffs> identically so
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2770[19:31:39] <jelly> good, then you have an OS with recent
verisons of relevant software
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2771[19:31:51] <ChunkyPuffs> right, but it's borked
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2772[19:31:59] <jelly> oh noes
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command line and the device mpathX is listed, but the Debian
Installer can't see.
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2801[19:40:10] <marino_> Any idea?
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2880[20:11:15] <hypn0> blackbox is beautiful, is there a simple
system tray for it
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2904[20:29:22] <jhutchins_wk> hypn0: There's been no release
for 11 years, I doubt any of it is in debian
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2905[20:30:02] <jhutchins_wk> hypn0: Apparently, I am wrong.
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2906[20:30:14] <jhutchins_wk> ,v blackbox
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2907[20:30:15] <judd> Package: blackbox on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.70.1-13; jessie: 0.70.1-23+deb8u1; stretch: 0.70.1-34; buster:
0.70.1-36; sid: 0.70.1-36
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2908[20:30:28] <nkuttler> hypn0: maybe try openbox? that one is
still alive afaik
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2910[20:31:02] <greycat> if blackbox does what you want, then why
is it a problem if it hasn't changed in 11 years? maybe
it's finally Done.
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2911[20:31:27] <greycat> as in Completed, not as in
"dead"
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2912[20:31:34] <hypn0> I am on lxde debian with blackox+openbox,
I like blackbox, lxde seems too much :-)
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2913[20:31:51] <greycat> There is no such thing as "lxde
debian". It's just Debian.
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2914[20:32:07] <nkuttler> hypn0: fwiw, i used tint2 with openbox
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2915[20:32:13] <hypn0> I can live without a system tray :-)
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2916[20:32:37] <greycat> I use fvwm. If there's been a new
feature added in the last 11 years, I'm not aware of it, nor
would I care about it.
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2917[20:32:41] <hypn0> I installed lxde debian :-/
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2918[20:32:55] <hypn0> not standard debian
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2921[20:35:46] <hypn0> it looks fine for a decade old wm :-) am
runs quickly too
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2923[20:36:29] <hypn0> I just use gksudo for synaptic and a few
others
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2926[20:37:01] <jhutchins_wk> hypn0: lxde debian IS standard
debian. There's no difference in the OS, just a different
desktop and some of the programs.
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2927[20:37:26] <jhutchins_wk> hypn0: The same is true of xubuntu
- it's just a different DE. You can install as many as you want
on the same system.
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2928[20:37:31] <hypn0> some? a lot of extra lxde stuff it seems
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2929[20:38:02] <hypn0> I'm thinking of removing all the lxde
stuff now :-)
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2931[20:38:22] <jhutchins_wk> Apparently blackbox is still being
worked on on github:
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2934[20:38:49] <jhutchins_wk> The sourceforge page linked in the
.deb file is gone though.
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middle endreplaced-url
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*need* to be worked on?
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2947[20:41:24] <greycat> I've never used it, so I know
nothing about it.
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2948[20:41:29] <nejeeeee> I'm in cinnamon, is there a way to
get jpg previews without opening manually every pic?
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a system tray...
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3013[21:22:29] <jhutchins_wk> !cinnamon
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3014[21:22:30] <dpkg> Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell>
initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since
Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>.
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3016[21:22:57] <Posterdati> hi
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3018[21:23:49] <Posterdati> please I need help on 9.4 amd64: kde
session in restore previous session took a lot of time to come up at
login time. Thanks
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3028[21:29:22] <bijan_> Hi short question: Preferred way to
install mysql or mariadb on latest debian?
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3029[21:29:53] <babilen> "apt install mariadb-server"
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3067[21:34:01] -debhelper- Channel locked temporarily due to flood,
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3206[21:45:38] * elevated elevated hey
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3240[22:00:04] <karlpinc> I've an external drive who's
absence should not prevent boot. Is there anything I need to do
other than add "nofail" to the fstab line?
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3244[22:01:39] <karlpinc> Ah systemd.generator(7) says to run
systemctl daemon-reload. (Although why is not clear, since it also
says that the generators are run early in the boot process.)
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3246[22:02:03] <nekoseam> Will Debian 10 use Firefox ESR?
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3249[22:02:21] <annadane> very likely, yes
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3251[22:02:40] <nekoseam> arrgh
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3253[22:04:15] <annadane> but you don't _have_ to use
firefox esr, you can download the latest firefoxes from
mozilla's site and extract it to its own directory, etc
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3254[22:04:20] <annadane> wiki.debian.org/Firefox
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3255[22:04:31] <annadane> i use waterfox myself, or there's
other browsers you can use
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3256[22:06:09] <nekoseam> Does Waterfox have its own repository
for Debian?
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3258[22:06:19] <nekoseam> Think that's off topic, sorry
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3259[22:06:39] <annadane> it does not, no
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3260[22:06:44] <annadane> AFAIK
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3261[22:06:59] <annadane> i just downloaded it from its site and
extracted it to its own folder in my home directory
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3263[22:07:34] <annadane> in any event, it's generally bad
to use external repositories
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3264[22:08:04] <greycat> Depends on how trustworthy they are, and
whether they are known to be compatible with your release of Debian.
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3270[22:09:09] <annadane> well, right
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3271[22:09:11] <annadane> "generally"
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3290[22:20:54] <bites> got any idea how to automate installation
of oracle jdk 8 on debian? i really don't fancy having to
download it regularly and make-jpkg.
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3310[22:26:37] <allan_wind> I recently started seeing the kernel
hanging in ieee80211 stuff. Possible related to when I upgraded to
4.9.0-6 from 4.9.0.3. Any idea what information I could gather
before a bug report?
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3320[22:29:14] <allan_wind> It hangs network stack, and sadc
processses stack up which causes load to grow
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3324[22:30:03] <annadane> i wonder if this is related
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3325[22:30:08] <annadane> !cve-2018-1108
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3326[22:30:08] <dpkg> somebody said cve-2018-1108 was a security
fix for a lack of randomness at boot. Delays the use of the kernel
crng by applications till sufficient randomness is ready. Can cause
delays (up to to 4+ minutes) in boot time just before or just after
login, esp with LUKS enabled. Short term workarounds: Wiggle
mouse/tap keyboard a lot, install rng-tools5 or haveged pkgs, or
boot previous kernel
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3328[22:30:27] <annadane> probably not, sorry
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3348[22:38:19] <dionysus69> zsh is the same as bash right? just
for styling text?
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3350[22:38:31] <allan_wind> no, zsh is a different type of shell
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3351[22:38:41] <greycat> they have many things in common, and
many differences
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3352[22:38:49] <dionysus69> is syntax different?
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3353[22:38:56] <greycat> zsh has a lot more syntax
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3356[22:39:04] <dionysus69> but includes all of bash right?
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3357[22:39:13] <greycat> No, they are not 100% compatible.
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3358[22:39:18] <dionysus69> hmm damn it
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3361[22:40:05] <dionysus69> everything on internet is bash pretty
much, so if I get zsh I still be able to run them right? it will
still have bash shabang?
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3362[22:40:25] <allan_wind> yes, if you have bash installed
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3363[22:40:30] <greycat> If it's a SCRIPT, and if the
shebang is #!/bin/bash or #!/usr/bin/env bash, then it will be run
by bash, not by your interactive shell.
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3365[22:40:44] <dionysus69> ok ok roger that
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3366[22:40:44] <greycat> Unless you do something dumb like typing
"zsh thescript".
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3367[22:41:01] <dionysus69> thats great cause I found it's
syntax highlighting to be quite cool
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3370[22:41:14] <dionysus69> are there syntax highlighters for
bash btw?
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3372[22:41:21] <dionysus69> if there are I wouldn't switch
to zsh :D
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3373[22:41:52] <greycat> I'm not sure what you're
asking. Do you mean something actually *in* the interactive shell
itself, or in some text editor, ..?
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3374[22:42:05] <dionysus69> I mean really, just the appearance
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3376[22:42:08] <dionysus69> like this
replaced-url
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3377[22:42:19] <dionysus69> keywords are in different colors so
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3379[22:42:36] <dionysus69> i dont think it's worth for me
to switch from bash just for syntax highlighting
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3382[22:44:44] <greycat> That appears to be within the actual
shell, not a text editor. So, no, bash does not "have"
that.
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3385[22:45:12] <dionysus69> ok thanks greatgatsby
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3386[22:45:19] <dionysus69> greycat: *
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