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          6 [00:01:34] <VlanX> Hello! I'm trying to install
            pico2wave in debian 9 but to no avail. Could someone kindly help me
            out?
           
         
        
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          9 [00:01:46] <Voidablazer> Anyone know Lua here?
           
         
        
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          13 [00:03:48] <joepublic> VlanX, are you working from their
            instructions
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          19 [00:05:38] <joepublic> dpkg, tell Voidablazer about ask
           
         
        
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          21 [00:05:56] <annadane> iovec, emacs 26 can be installed via
            flatpak if you trust that kind of thing (research it and come up
            with your own opinion but IMO it's trustworthy)
           
         
        
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          23 [00:06:25] <annadane> flatpak is packaged for debian stable
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          24 [00:06:34] <Voidablazer> joepublic: I want to know the
            difference between these two
           
         
        
          25 [00:06:36] <Voidablazer>
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          26 [00:06:44] <Voidablazer>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          27 [00:06:50] <Voidablazer> First is a fork of second
           
         
        
          28 [00:06:58] <iovec> annadane: ok, thanks (for both)
           
         
        
          29 [00:07:57] <VlanX> joepublic: I have also an Ubuntu vm and
            it's as simple as apt-get install. So is it normal that the
            procedure in debian is much more complex?
           
         
        
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          36 [00:09:00] <annadane> flatpaks are also sandboxed but i
            don't know how well
           
         
        
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          176 [01:44:57] <thither> If I accidentally removed a partition on
            my HDD during the Windows 10 installation wizard, is there some way
            I can use gparted to get it back? I'm pretty sure it just
            removed the partition table entry and didn't wipe anything.
           
         
        
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          180 [01:49:13] <valerius> thither just recreate the partition
            with the same size
           
         
        
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          182 [01:49:26] <valerius> at the same place
           
         
        
          183 [01:49:54] <thither> I feel like that won't be enough.
           
         
        
          184 [01:50:04] <thither> That would be bizarre behavior to have
            as a default
           
         
        
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          186 [01:50:19] <thither> Delete a partition, create new partition
            - and there's already data in it?
           
         
        
          187 [01:50:34] <valerius> why? If you removed only one partition,
            then you need just recreate it and that's it
           
         
        
          188 [01:51:19] <thither> I doubt what the installer did was so
            low level that it literally just touched the partition table. And I
            doubt that creating a new partition would also work that way.
           
         
        
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          190 [01:51:32] <valerius> When you create a partition, you only
            create a record in the partition table. You don't touch the
            data on it
           
         
        
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          193 [01:55:19] <valerius> But it is easier if you deleted a
            primary partition -- you just restore an PT entry in MBR. If you
            deleted a logical partition, you need to insert the element into EBR
            chain inside the extended partition. So, you need to know the
            structure of MBR/EBR's, of course
           
         
        
          194 [01:55:22] <watchcat> thither: you can try testdisk
           
         
        
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          197 [01:55:45] <thither> It was a primary partition
           
         
        
          198 [01:56:13] <valerius> thither then it's simple -- just
            recreate it
           
         
        
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          200 [01:56:42] <thither> Okay  
         
        
          201 [01:56:48] <thither> I'll try testdisk though to see
            what it says
           
         
        
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          215 [02:05:49] <jasabella> hello  
         
        
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          218 [02:07:31] <thither> heyo  
         
        
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          235 [02:16:41] <Intelo_> How much a laptop be constantly used in
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          238 [02:17:02] <jasabella> is apparmor recommended for desktop
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          243 [02:24:16] <srukle> apparmor isn't overkill at all
           
         
        
          244 [02:24:55] <srukle> the wiki was improved when someone on
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          419 [04:18:03] <mns> with 9.6 is it possible to boot from a btrfs
            partition ? I was thinking of making / be btrfs since I'm doing
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          440 [04:52:46] <ozzloy> moo  
         
        
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          442 [04:55:14] <CrystalMath> i feel like i need to vent after
            reading about the waf build system
           
         
        
          443 [04:55:59] <CrystalMath> it makes me so angry that someone
            can be as evil as its creator
           
         
        
          444 [04:56:25] <ozzloy> i like your nick, CrystalMath
           
         
        
          445 [04:56:30] <CrystalMath> thank you :)
           
         
        
          446 [04:56:40] <CrystalMath> i literally prefer Microsoft NMAKE
            to waf
           
         
        
          447 [04:56:42] <phogg> waf gets a lot of hate
           
         
        
          448 [04:56:52] <CrystalMath> Microsoft is less evil than that guy
           
         
        
          449 [04:57:05] <ozzloy> is it just a pun, or do you do stuff with
            math regarding crystals?
           
         
        
          450 [04:57:12] * themill points towards #debian-offtopic
           
         
        
          451 [04:57:31] <CrystalMath> themill: is it really offtopic?
            it's specifically about debian
           
         
        
          452 [04:57:35] <themill> You'll be interested to know that
            Debian explicitly avoids using waf in packages
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          453 [04:57:47] <CrystalMath> themill: yes that's good
           
         
        
          454 [04:57:55] <themill> So nothing to do with Debian user
            support.
           
         
        
          455 [04:58:08] <CrystalMath> oh, this channel is just for user
            support?
           
         
        
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          457 [04:58:50] <CrystalMath> okay  
         
        
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          461 [05:01:07] <ozzloy> re: waf: "We require source to
            produce binaries, not the other way round"
           
         
        
          462 [05:01:08] <ozzloy> lol  
         
        
          463 [05:02:23] <CrystalMath> to be fair, freebasic has the same
            problem, it can only be compiled with freebasic
           
         
        
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          467 [05:03:03] <ozzloy> not much software avoids this problem,
            right?
           
         
        
          468 [05:03:21] <ozzloy> everything, including compilers, are
            compiled (these days) by binary compilers
           
         
        
          469 [05:03:47] <CrystalMath> right, so  
         
        
          470 [05:03:56] <CrystalMath> maybe the very first gcc was added
            despite the DFSG
           
         
        
          471 [05:04:01] <ozzloy> er.. binaries that are not handwritten
           
         
        
          472 [05:04:10] <CrystalMath> and then each subsequent gcc was
            compiled with the old one
           
         
        
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          474 [05:04:26] <trysten> us there a trick to getting firefox
            audio to work?
           
         
        
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          476 [05:04:39] <CrystalMath> trysten: without pulseaudio?
           
         
        
          477 [05:04:48] <trysten> i have it installed, at least
           
         
        
          478 [05:05:01] <CrystalMath> then it should work afaik
           
         
        
          479 [05:05:03] <ozzloy> it could be that there's a small
            boot strapping core of gcc that could be handwritten into machine
            code for this very reason
           
         
        
          480 [05:05:16] <CrystalMath> trysten: did you check whether audio
            works in general?
           
         
        
          481 [05:05:27] <CrystalMath> speaker test or something
           
         
        
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          483 [05:06:44] <CrystalMath> ozzloy: if there was just a binary,
            it would violate the DFSG
           
         
        
          484 [05:06:57] <CrystalMath> i'm quite certain that gcc is
            always compiled with the old gcc
           
         
        
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          486 [05:09:40] <trysten> speaker-test works great
           
         
        
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          488 [05:10:19] <rwp> JFTR the first gcc versions to compile linux
            were running on Minix with gcc compiled with bcc IIRC.
           
         
        
          489 [05:10:24] <SerajewelKS> all languages tend to be
            bootstrapped that way. the mono C# compiler is written in C#.
            though, mono bootstrapped using microsoft's compiler.
           
         
        
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          491 [05:12:15] <rwp> Yes. Cross compilation is what make complex
            ports possible.
           
         
        
          492 [05:12:16] <trysten> i'm failing to pastebin the error
            from firefox. OpenCubeb() failed to init cubeb
           
         
        
          493 [05:13:58] <trysten> nevermind me, i'm signing off.
            thakn you CrystalMath.
           
         
        
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          497 [05:15:33] <ozzloy> then how can you be sure that the
            resulting binary created by the prior compiler doesn't insert
            anything shady?
           
         
        
          498 [05:16:09] <CrystalMath> ozzloy: well you were sure about the
            prior one
           
         
        
          499 [05:16:37] <ozzloy> idk if i trust bcc
           
         
        
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          501 [05:17:17] <ozzloy> also, what compiled bcc?
           
         
        
          502 [05:18:15] <ozzloy> oh wow, bcc generates 8086 executable
           
         
        
          503 [05:18:42] <davidebeatrici> Hello, I would like to report
            that the "cabextract" tool is broken on Debian Buster
           
         
        
          504 [05:18:57] <davidebeatrici> More specifically, it
            doesn't extract cabinets correctly
           
         
        
          505 [05:19:11] <davidebeatrici> That tool is used for Wine, for
            example
           
         
        
          506 [05:19:30] <davidebeatrici> The tool compiled from source
            code works
           
         
        
          507 [05:19:33] <annadane> davidebeatrici, file a bug repor
           
         
        
          508 [05:19:34] <annadane> t  
         
        
          509 [05:19:55] <annadane> and if you're looking for how to
            fix it, #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the channel for
            testing/unstable
           
         
        
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          517 [05:23:47] <davidebeatrici> annadane: OK, thank you, I'm
            filling a bug report right now with "reportbug"
           
         
        
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          522 [05:29:46] <WoC> is there a simple way to upgrade a partition
            from ext2 -> ext4 w/o formatting it ?
           
         
        
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          525 [05:30:54] <rwp> ozzloy, You might enjoy reading
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          526 [05:31:29] <themill> WoC: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3; /msg dpkg
            ext3->ext4
           
         
        
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          530 [05:33:41] <rwp> ozzloy, Ah! Here is the paper I was looking
            for
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          533 [05:34:31] <ozzloy> "enjoy" isn't quite the
            right word
           
         
        
          534 [05:35:33] <ozzloy> "Perhaps it is more important to
            trust the people who wrote the software."
           
         
        
          535 [05:35:56] <WoC> ty themill ;]  
         
        
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          538 [05:36:12] <ozzloy> you'd have to trust the people that
            wrote the software that the people who wrote the software that you
            used
           
         
        
          539 [05:36:30] <ozzloy> that you use used*
           
         
        
          540 [05:36:43] <ozzloy> and all the way back
           
         
        
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          542 [05:37:08] <rwp> It's an interesting problem. And
            consider that Thompson wrote that back in 1984 and it was the same
            then as it is now.
           
         
        
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          544 [05:38:38] <ozzloy> if a compiler has a small enough
            bootstrappable portion that a person could write the machine code
            for it ... on hardware they can build themselves ...
           
         
        
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          546 [05:38:49] <ozzloy> this goes back to the hardware
           
         
        
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          548 [05:39:47] <ozzloy> how hard is it to build a processor in my
            garage?
           
         
        
          549 [05:40:05] <ozzloy> bootstrapping hardware
           
         
        
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          551 [05:44:17] <zumba_ad_> Hi all. I'm wondering why
            /sbin/shutdown -h now inside a script doesn't run in
            root's crontab. Is there a security I need to turn off?
           
         
        
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          553 [05:45:51] <davidebeatrici> annadane:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          555 [05:49:37] <rwp> Building your own small microprocessor core
            is not that difficult. I built one as a student project. Slow.
            Small. Simple. Yes. But can be done.
           
         
        
          556 [05:50:31] <themill> davidebeatrici: in #914263 there is a
            suggestion to try with a newer version of libmspack0 from sid. Could
            you try that out?
           
         
        
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          564 [05:51:50] <ozzloy> rwp,
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          565 [05:52:23] <rwp> ozzloy, Again you might find this
            interesting:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          566 [05:53:13] <rwp> Interesting stuff.  
         
        
          567 [05:54:01] <rwp> zumba_ad_, As far as I know that is a
            systemd restriction.
           
         
        
          568 [05:54:15] <zumba_ad_> k  
         
        
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          571 [05:57:35] <ozzloy> rwp, woops, meant to link this:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          572 [05:58:26] <ozzloy> so ... basically this is definitely
            happening in my computer right now, because why wouldn't it be
           
         
        
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          575 [06:01:32] <davidebeatrici> themill: It works, thank you very
            much!
           
         
        
          576 [06:01:59] <themill> davidebeatrici: excellent. Can you
            follow up to the bug that this is the case?
           
         
        
          577 [06:02:03] <davidebeatrici> Sure.  
         
        
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          582 [06:07:38] <davidebeatrici> themill:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          583 [06:08:01] <themill> thanks  
         
        
          584 [06:08:42] <davidebeatrici> You're welcome.
           
         
        
          585 [06:09:05] <davidebeatrici> My bug report is basically a
            duplicate of #915247.
           
         
        
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          590 [06:26:13] <veridiam> anyone have fwupd working in kde
            discover (testing)?
           
         
        
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          596 [06:30:52] <annadane> !debian-next  
         
        
          597 [06:30:52] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
            testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
            on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
            invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
            irc.oftc.net.
           
         
        
          598 [06:30:54] <annadane> veridiam, ^  
         
        
          599 [06:31:20] <annadane> though it may be better to narrow down
            your question, like what isn't working, but #debian is for
            stable
           
         
        
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          613 [06:41:04] <veridiam> sure, i'll try there. just wanted
            to see if anyone had it working here, not asking for troubleshooting
           
         
        
          614 [06:46:21] <crippledmonk> wipped the ssd with Win10.
            installed stretch via net install. Added xfce. all works well.
            laptop is a General Dynamics GD8000 rugged
           
         
        
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          853 [10:58:01] <markc> My friend is running testing and his
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            won't accept his password. Any suggestions?
           
         
        
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          855 [10:59:07] <markc> I can't get to #debian-next otherwise
            I'd ask there... are the Plasma 5.14.4 midway to being updated
            perhaps?
           
         
        
          856 [10:59:23] <n4dir> yes, use the channel #debian-next, which
            is on the oftc network.
           
         
        
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          859 [10:59:42] <n4dir> you probably tried #debian-next on
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          860 [11:00:24] <iflema> what is he testing?
           
         
        
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          863 [11:00:50] <n4dir> first step to troubleshoot would probably
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          866 [11:02:38] <n4dir> trying a different display-manager
            won't hurt too.
           
         
        
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          871 [11:04:46] <notenoughcatnip> although, with a full-featured
            desktop like KDE, there might be services loaded that won't be
            there when you load it with startx (keychain authentification etc.),
            so it might be less hassle to try with a different display manager
            immediately
           
         
        
          872 [11:05:16] <n4dir> i meant for troubleshooting.
           
         
        
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          874 [11:06:53] <notenoughcatnip> n4dir: I know. Just pointing out
            that more stuff might appear broken if KDE is started without a full
            display manager.
           
         
        
          875 [11:07:01] <markc> n4dir: thanks, noted... is lightdm worth
            trying?
           
         
        
          876 [11:07:23] <n4dir> yeah, for some odd reasons my first idea
            is to get rid of display-managers (which is a bit of a sledgehammer
            method ...)
           
         
        
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          878 [11:08:09] <n4dir> markc: not sure. But if other means to
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            can be taken for granted (well: i guess)
           
         
        
          879 [11:08:15] <markc> heh, I think a sledgehammer is going to be
            required by the sounds of it. Maybe a 12 hour wait and another
            update will fix it.
           
         
        
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          881 [11:09:05] <notenoughcatnip> markc: yeah, lightdm should work
            fine. and running testing/sid is always loads of fun, especially
            when you just need stuff to work :)
           
         
        
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          883 [11:09:13] <n4dir> sure. Also your friend might want to
            install apt-listbugs (if he hasn't already)
           
         
        
          884 [11:09:18] <markc> googling "oftc network"
           
         
        
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          887 [11:10:08] <n4dir> search the bug reports too, at
            bugs.debian.net (no clue which display-manager kde uses these days,
            back then it was kdm)
           
         
        
          888 [11:10:22] <n4dir> probably bugs.debian.org, not sure.
           
         
        
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          890 [11:11:31] <notenoughcatnip> it's called SDDM
           
         
        
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          893 [11:12:00] <hk238> hmm how can I restart desktop without
            logging out if I'm using Mate?
           
         
        
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          897 [11:12:59] <markc> notenoughcatnip: lightdm, thanks... adding
            to the armoury
           
         
        
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          906 [11:16:19] <n4dir> hk238: not much of a clue of mate, but for
            example openbox does "openbox --restart", so do man
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          907 [11:16:36] <notenoughcatnip> hk238: Ctrl+Alt+Esc I think?
           
         
        
          908 [11:16:47] <n4dir> search as in /restart, not by reading the
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          942 [11:43:49] <guerby> ,kernel  
         
        
          943 [11:43:50] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
            experimental: 4.19.0-trunk-686-pae (4.19.5-1~exp1); sid:
            4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2); buster: 4.18.0-3-686 (4.18.20-2);
            stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1);
            stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports:
            4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
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          944 [11:43:51] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
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          1159 [14:22:35] <booleanis0> hello! Did one of you ever rename a
            LUKS/LVM setup? I'm having some issues with correctly renaming
            my setup..
           
         
        
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          1161 [14:23:16] <booleanis0> I've documented what I tried
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          1183 [14:32:37] <bites> booleanis0: the mapper in /etc/fstab will
            also have to be renamed.
           
         
        
          1184 [14:33:07] <bites> or rather changed to the nwe name.
           
         
        
          1185 [14:33:13] <bites> *new  
         
        
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          1197 [14:47:48] <JyZyXEL> also, editing grub.cfg and then running
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          1199 [14:48:35] <RonWhoCares> I've configured the IP address
            10.9.1.1 on my server. It pings on the server but I can't ping
            it on the network. Any ideas what I should be doing?
           
         
        
          1200 [14:49:22] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: when you say "it pings on
            the server", are you talking about pinging the server, *from*
            the same server?
           
         
        
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          1205 [14:50:46] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: Correct. What I mean is after
            I entered the IP into the eth0 file but before I restarted
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          1207 [14:51:38] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: ok. what range of addresses
            does your network use?
           
         
        
          1208 [14:51:51] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: what is the ip address of your
            router, and what is the subnet mask?
           
         
        
          1209 [14:52:32] <RonWhoCares> Shoot. I've just made a broader
            discover
           
         
        
          1210 [14:52:34] <RonWhoCares> y  
         
        
          1211 [14:53:34] <RonWhoCares> My router - gateway is 192.168.0.1.
            I am migrating web sites from development into production.
            Development web sites use 192.168.0.###. Production web sites use
            10.#.#.#
           
         
        
          1212 [14:53:49] <RonWhoCares> I see I can't ping any 10.#.#.#
            sites
           
         
        
          1213 [14:54:14] <RonWhoCares> I don't think I've tried
            before now
           
         
        
          1214 [14:54:30] <jasabella> what's yoru routing table looking
            like? (i.e. ip route)
           
         
        
          1215 [14:55:02] <jasabella> your*  
         
        
          1216 [14:55:14] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: do you have existing
            production sites? how do they work?
           
         
        
          1217 [14:55:39] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: is there perhaps a physically
            separate network for production, with its own router?
           
         
        
          1218 [14:56:05] <RonWhoCares>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1219 [14:56:22] <RonWhoCares> Right now it is all on one network
           
         
        
          1220 [14:56:36] <RonWhoCares> I will be splitting it later
           
         
        
          1221 [14:56:50] <RonWhoCares> The server IP is 192.168.0.52
           
         
        
          1222 [14:57:11] <RonWhoCares> The IP I am trying to configure for
            is the web site rons-home.net
           
         
        
          1223 [15:00:29] <jasabella> that doesnt sohw your routing table,
            just your interfaces
           
         
        
          1224 [15:02:30] <RonWhoCares> Would the result of "ip route
            "help?
           
         
        
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          1226 [15:04:04] <booleanis0> ok so I did vgrename, lvrename and
            edited grub.cfg as well as the fstab files. I still get the same
            errors on boot
           
         
        
          1227 [15:04:07] <RonWhoCares> I still have to setup the router -
            dhcp server
           
         
        
          1228 [15:04:47] <RonWhoCares>
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1229 [15:05:01] <jasabella> RonWhoCares… the routing table
            shows which interface the kernel will use for a given destination
           
         
        
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          1234 [15:08:08] <RonWhoCares> jasabella: Can I add a route for the
            10.*.*.* websites?
           
         
        
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          1238 [15:11:00] <jasabella> what does "ip link" show?
           
         
        
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          1240 [15:11:25] <jasabella> i'm not sure of this line:
            10.9.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.9.1.1
           
         
        
          1241 [15:11:38] <jasabella> given you have iface eth0:7 inet
            static
           
         
        
          1242 [15:11:38] <jasabella> address 10.9.1.1
           
         
        
          1243 [15:11:43] <jasabella> but i'm not familiar with the :7
            part of hte name
           
         
        
          1244 [15:12:17] <RonWhoCares> jasabella:
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
          1245 [15:13:52] <RonWhoCares> eth0:"7" means it is a
            subset
           
         
        
          1246 [15:13:55] <jasabella> i should be more explicit about where
            these commands should be run :)
           
         
        
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          1249 [15:15:17] <RonWhoCares> Should I try: "10.9.1.0/24 dev
            eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.9.1.1"
           
         
        
          1250 [15:15:35] <RonWhoCares> I don't know tons about
            networking
           
         
        
          1251 [15:15:46] <RonWhoCares> I've been running a huge amount
            of learning during the start of the server setup
           
         
        
          1252 [15:15:49] <jasabella> i'd imagine it should read
            10.9.1.0/24 dev eth0:7 proto kernel scope link src 10.9.1.1
           
         
        
          1253 [15:15:54] <jasabella> but i dont kno a lot either
           
         
        
          1254 [15:16:01] <RonWhoCares> ok  
         
        
          1255 [15:16:11] <jasabella> the interface name should match
           
         
        
          1256 [15:16:12] <RonWhoCares> I do have a friend who will be on
            when it is morning in Australia
           
         
        
          1257 [15:16:19] <RonWhoCares> +-8 hours  
         
        
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          1259 [15:17:17] <jasabella> so on the host that cant hit the
            server, that's where you run ip route right?
           
         
        
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          1261 [15:18:02] <jasabella> or did you run ip route on the server
            itself?
           
         
        
          1262 [15:18:26] <RonWhoCares> No, I ran it on a desktop Linux
            within terminal
           
         
        
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          1279 [15:32:50] <RonWhoCares> jasabella: I am sure I just have to
            program my desktop Linux to find that part of the network
           
         
        
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          1315 [15:43:03] <Manis> Hi. How can I close a bug I opened in the
            Debian bug-tracker?
           
         
        
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          1330 [15:51:26] <jasabella> RonWhoCares… if it's a
            routing table issue you'll need something like ip route replace
            10.9.1.0/24 via [some address]
           
         
        
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          1361 [16:21:07] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: what do you mean by
            "splitting" the network? is there actually a router,
            anywhere, that knows about your new subnet? how is it *supposed* to
            connect to the existing network?
           
         
        
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          1363 [16:21:46] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: Right now there is an actual
            router
           
         
        
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          1368 [16:22:24] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: I have not told it about the
            10.#.#.# IP addresses
           
         
        
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          1370 [16:22:53] <RonWhoCares> By "splitting" i mean /
            meant having 192.168.0.# IP's and the "10" range
           
         
        
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          1374 [16:24:44] <RonWhoCares> I only need the 10.#.#.#. available
            on this linux desktop
           
         
        
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          1400 [16:53:33] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: ok. i assume that, physically,
            every computer is plugged in to the router, and only the router?
           
         
        
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          1402 [16:54:43] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: wait what do you mean about
            the 10.* addresses only needing to be available on one machine?
           
         
        
          1403 [16:56:21] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: I am using 10.* IP addresses
            for production web sites. (192.* includes all web sites under
            development). My purpose in *only* this linux desktop having access
            to the 10.* ip addresses is just to do some basic testing before
            going from the development web site (which is currently live) to the
            actual production web site
           
         
        
          1404 [16:56:33] <RonWhoCares> Does my thought process make sense?
           
         
        
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          1406 [16:57:09] <RonWhoCares> Basically I am in the midst of
            overhauling my entire network. I will be going to all 10.* IP
            addresses during the next few months. Right now I am trying to keep
            the network running and facing the issues of the short term.
           
         
        
          1407 [16:57:30] <nsk_nyc> does anyone know how to solve
            "iptables: Operation not supported." bug that shows up
            with basically any argument in iptables? Been taking a crack at this
            for a bit
           
         
        
          1408 [16:57:48] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: Once a web site is live I can
            use the domain name to access it on other devices within the next
            work.
           
         
        
          1409 [16:58:56] <nsk_nyc> even iptables --list returns that
           
         
        
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          1413 [17:03:15] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: a domain name is not an
            alternative to an ip address
           
         
        
          1414 [17:03:26] <BCMM> it still has to map to a working ip address
           
         
        
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          1418 [17:04:30] <BCMM> RonWhoCares: but anyway, if you want to
            have access just from that one machine, and don't want to
            configure a router to enable that access, you could look at some
            sort of vpn or tunnel between the two machines
           
         
        
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          1420 [17:04:42] <BCMM> (over the existing, working address)
           
         
        
          1421 [17:05:11] <RonWhoCares> BCMM: I don't mind the whole
            network having access to 10.* ... It is going to be needed in a few
            months. I just don't know how to do this myself
           
         
        
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          1539 [18:51:16] <jelly> RonWhoCares: it depends. Are the client(s)
            and the server on the same physical network segment right now?
           
         
        
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          1559 [19:02:28] <Error451> just a random question : is VulumIO
            built on Debian ? .. I see Jessie in packages
           
         
        
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          1561 [19:03:02] <Error451> VolumIO doesn't have a channel
            apparently so can'ask there
           
         
        
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          1563 [19:03:14] <Error451> *can't ask
           
         
        
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          1572 [19:07:37] <RonWhoCares> jelly: Everything is on the same
            physical network using ethernet cables
           
         
        
          1573 [19:08:44] <jelly> RonWhoCares: can configure a second ip on
            the cliet, using the same network and netmask as the server, and
            you're done
           
         
        
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          1576 [19:08:51] <jelly> s/can/then/  
         
        
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          1579 [19:09:32] <jelly> do not configure a "gateway",
            just ip address and netmask
           
         
        
          1580 [19:10:54] <jelly> Error451: what is VolumIO?
           
         
        
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          1582 [19:11:25] <Error451> VolumIO is an audio player for RasPi
           
         
        
          1583 [19:11:40] <Error451> *audio player OS really
           
         
        
          1584 [19:13:09] <Error451> well .. sorry , not just RasPi, they
            support x86 etc. too , but I use it on a RaspberryPi with Hifiberry
            HAT
           
         
        
          1585 [19:13:31] <Error451> just thought somebody might know
           
         
        
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          1587 [19:14:50] <Error451> anyway, this might not be the correct
            channel to ask this, I'll ask in #raspberrypi
           
         
        
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          1589 [19:15:36] <RonWhoCares> jelly: Are you refering the the
            server or my LInux laptop
           
         
        
          1590 [19:15:57] <jelly> RonWhoCares: the client.
           
         
        
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          1593 [19:17:02] <RonWhoCares> Is this done on the server?
           
         
        
          1594 [19:17:09] <RonWhoCares> OOPS  
         
        
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          1596 [19:17:50] <RonWhoCares> My laptop is ubuntu 18.04
           
         
        
          1597 [19:18:02] <jelly> a client is a system connecting to a
            server.
           
         
        
          1598 [19:18:10] <RonWhoCares> OK  
         
        
          1599 [19:18:24] <RonWhoCares> I didn't mean to ask twice. I
            scrolled back and didn't think my message posted :P
           
         
        
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          1602 [19:19:24] <jelly> RonWhoCares: you can ask #ubuntu channel
            about the correct way to configure a secondary IP address on ubuntu
            18.04
           
         
        
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          1610 [19:22:06] <RonWhoCares> jelly: Thank you Jelly
           
         
        
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          1617 [19:24:22] <jelly> once you both endpoints have a 10.9.1.x/24
            address configured they'll be able to talk to each other on the
            one network segment
           
         
        
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          1640 [19:34:26] <annadane> what's a good session manager for
            openbox? (to allow me to save the state of what windows are
            currently open and load them after login)
           
         
        
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          1653 [19:44:42] <jhutchins> I ended up with a GPT after running
            the installer with the EFI options selected, but it won't boot
            in EFI mode, still looking for the Windows bootloader. When I boot
            in legacy mode, I get the message "Invalid partition
            table!". If I press escape, I get a normal boot.
           
         
        
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          1656 [19:45:06] <jhutchins> What I don't understand is if
            I'm booting in legacy mode and only have a GPT, why is it
            working?
           
         
        
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          1668 [19:50:18] <annadane> never mind  
         
        
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          1672 [19:52:24] <jhutchins> I could use gdisk to copy the GPT to
            the MBR, but I hesitate to fix it when I don't understand it.
           
         
        
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          1741 [20:26:22] <jelly> annadane, did you find one?
           
         
        
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          1744 [20:26:53] <annadane> jelly, no, i just wanted one
            temporarily and then gave up
           
         
        
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          1746 [20:27:02] <annadane> i'll just do some research
           
         
        
          1747 [20:27:10] <jelly> jhutchins, which grub-* package variant is
            installed?
           
         
        
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          1754 [20:28:18] <jhutchins> Looks like the EFI version.
           
         
        
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          1756 [20:29:00] <jhutchins> Oops, no, grub-pc, grub-common, and
            grub2-common.
           
         
        
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          1760 [20:31:51] <jhutchins> grub-pc-bin too.
           
         
        
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          1763 [20:33:04] <jhutchins> So that's the BIOS version.
           
         
        
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          1765 [20:35:02] <oo_miguel> after reinstalling debian an app I run
            via javaws appears very tiny on my 4k monitor. (however I remeber
            that it was fine before). Any suggesitons how to fix this again?
           
         
        
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          1795 [20:54:02] <lexiyntax> Did you end up installing Java 8
            instead of 9 or newer?
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          1821 [21:11:28] <annadane> i really don't understand why
            flatpak (backports) can't detect the repository i added
           
         
        
          1822 [21:11:58] <annadane> flatpak install flathub org.gnu.emacs -
            error: Remote "flathub" not found
           
         
        
          1823 [21:12:14] <annadane> i did flatpak remote-add
            --if-not-exists flathub
            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1825 [21:12:57] <annadane> i'll just go bug #flatpak i guess
           
         
        
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          1828 [21:14:02] <at0m> annadane: maybe /topic flatpak
           
         
        
          1829 [21:14:12] <at0m> ah you were ahead =)
           
         
        
          1830 [21:14:22] <at0m> was bugging alis to ask about it
           
         
        
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          1832 [21:15:27] <at0m> err /topic #flatpak
           
         
        
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          1841 [21:18:12] <Intelo> Sending mail via echo "My
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          1865 [21:33:22] <annadane> it is for reference, flatpak remote-add
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            replaced-url 
           
         
        
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          1867 [21:33:40] <annadane> if you install it per user you need to
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          1870 [21:36:14] <annadane> remind me in future not to ask
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          1872 [21:37:01] <oo_miguel> lexiyntax: java -version tells me:
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          1888 [21:54:20] <oo_miguel> lexiyntax: thank you for your answer
            and it seems very plausble that I was running java 9 oder 10 before
            so the scaling worked fine. from what I see the jnlp support was
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          1900 [22:00:56] <lexiyntax> That sucks, I was aware they were
            dropping the web browser extensions, but JNLP is a quite nice Swing
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          1902 [22:02:36] <oo_miguel> lexiyntax: unfortnuatelly... this is
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            reason it used to work.
           
         
        
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          2014 [23:15:46] <jhutchins> annadane: Asking completely boneheaded
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          2015 [23:16:17] <jhutchins> annadane: Works all to often for me.
           
         
        
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          2038 [23:27:21] <dury> hi there channel :-)
           
         
        
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          2040 [23:28:38] <dury> anyone did install xscrennsaver on stretch
            and configured for autostart app?
           
         
        
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          2053 [23:37:34] <akk> A while back, I subscribed somehow to
            updates for bugs on a specific package. Is there a way to
            unsubscribe from those updates? I can't find one.
           
         
        
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          2055 [23:38:06] <akk> The emails don't have a footer with
            information about that.
           
         
        
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          2064 [23:45:33] <iflema> reply with unsubscribe in the subject and
            body?
           
         
        
          2065 [23:45:50] <akk> Worth a try ...  
         
        
          2066 [23:46:16] <iflema> see what comes back
           
         
        
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          2069 [23:48:39] <dury> akk, busy?  
         
        
          2070 [23:49:09] <akk> So far, nothing coming back, so if they
            process unsubscribes they don't do it immediately.
           
         
        
          2071 [23:49:18] <akk> dury: ?  
         
        
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          2074 [23:50:05] <akk> But actually I think there's something
            wrong with the bug email system now (I'm getting quadruple
            copies of messages, the reason I started being bothered by this)
           
         
        
          2075 [23:50:19] <akk> which might mean that unsub messages are
            stacking up too.
           
         
        
          2076 [23:50:59] * akk goes off to run an errand while waiting
           
         
        
          2077 [23:51:12] <dury> akk, mmm... xscreensaver do you know how to
            autostart it, when you switch on the system?
           
         
        
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          2079 [23:51:54] <akk> dury: Um, put it in your .login or window
            manager autostart maybe? why ask me specifically?
           
         
        
          2080 [23:51:55] <dury> did anyone configured it successfully
           
         
        
          2081 [23:52:04] * akk really goes to run errand  
         
        
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          2084 [23:53:48] <dury> window manager autostart where is it?
           
         
        
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          2088 [23:55:13] <annadane> dury, depends on your window manager?
           
         
        
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          2090 [23:56:39] <dury> annadane, thanks for answer, it's
            gnome
           
         
        
          2091 [23:57:12] <annadane> do you want xscreensaver specifically
            or gnome's? it probably has oe
           
         
        
          2092 [23:57:14] <annadane> one*  
         
        
          2093 [23:57:33] <annadane> i don't use gnome so it's
            kind of hard for me to answer, i guess i could fire up a VM and
            check...
           
         
        
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          2095 [23:57:53] <dury> annadane, just xcreensaver
           
         
        
          2096 [23:58:21] <annadane> ok, i'll let someone else answer
            it then
           
         
        
          2097 [23:58:22] <dury> annadane, just xscreensaver
           
         
        
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          2099 [23:58:51] <annadane> only because i don't know whether
            it uses xscreensaver by default
           
         
        
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          2101 [23:59:01] <annadane> and i wouldn't know how to get it
            to use a different one if not
           
         
        
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