• 0[00:00:10] <un214> yeah that would do it
• 1[00:00:12] <turbo64> so im just deleting and purging every virtualbox package and reinstalling it
• 2[00:00:23] <turbo64> tl;dr i'm mentally retarded
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• 12[00:07:49] <un214> weird; badblocks succeeded
• 13[00:07:54] <un214> must be a buffer size issue
• 14[00:08:19] <petn-randall> un214: Could also be an unreliable SD card reader.
• 15[00:08:38] <un214> nah; problem is 100% reproducable by using the same steps
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• 40[00:27:33] <MasonHau-> Hi is anyone alive that can help me?
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• 42[00:27:58] <MasonHau-> I am following replaced-url
• 43[00:28:25] <MasonHau-> when I implement the pci stub in the grub cmd line file
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• 47[00:28:41] <MasonHau-> and reconfig grub and reboot
• 48[00:28:44] <MasonHau-> my machine freezes only with the pci-stub.ids= flag not the imnu-amd=
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• 50[00:29:49] <MasonHau-> so im wondering do I need to specify the pci stubs in the grub cmd line or can I call the stubs while the machine is running? or does it need to be at boot up
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• 54[00:30:43] <MasonHau-> although on boot up when I call the pci stubs in grub cmd line when my machine gets to the kernel loading modules it freezes my machine with pcistub.ids in the grub cmd line
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• 56[00:31:09] <petn-randall> MasonHau-: The header says that howto is outdated, and to follow another link.
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• 59[00:31:43] <frazzieJazzy> hey can someone reverse xfburn please? stretch is pulling in an unstable copy that hangs on bdrom burning..the old version from stable is fine.
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• 62[00:32:22] <Nika> HI!
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• 64[00:32:35] <petn-randall> frazzieJazzy: Did you check the existing bug reports yet?
• 65[00:32:45] <Nika> Why Ubuntu mini 50 Mb and Debian mimi 300 Mb?
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• 67[00:33:30] <petn-randall> Nika: mini of what?
• 68[00:33:37] <frazzieJazzy> havent had the chance because of ati driver glitches..ive solved them..use stretch or ubu16..but xfburn and my media player were bugging.
• 69[00:33:43] <Nika> MINI ISO
• 70[00:33:55] <SuperTramp83> netinstaller?
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• 72[00:35:26] <petn-randall> Nika: Do you mean the netinstaller?
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• 74[00:35:38] <Nika> YES
• 75[00:35:48] <petn-randall> Nika: Please don't use caps all the time.
• 76[00:35:53] <SuperTramp83> ^
• 77[00:35:57] <Nika> OK
• 78[00:36:16] <TomTomTosch> debian netinstall includes a complete system.
• 79[00:36:17] <Nika> :)
• 80[00:36:34] <Nika> So Debian nothing no download?
• 81[00:36:42] <TomTomTosch> and there is little need to go smaller.
• 82[00:36:42] <petn-randall> Nika: I'm guessing that the Debian netinstaller support more hardware varieties, whereas the Ubuntu installer might not. We can't tell you what Ubuntu ships.
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• 84[00:37:22] <petn-randall> Nika: You can get a complete minimal install with the netinstaller, yes.
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• 86[00:37:36] <TomTomTosch> Nika: anything that goes above the basic system will be downloaded. there is a selection for additional software.
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• 89[00:38:42] <Nika> Debian Mini is 6 Ubuntu mini
• 90[00:38:53] <TomTomTosch> so what?
• 91[00:39:07] <Nika> Ubuntu also can install additional packages
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• 93[00:39:14] <Nika> server de etc
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• 96[00:39:38] <missmbob> what?
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• 98[00:39:49] <TomTomTosch> this is a support channel. so please keep it to support questions in here.
• 99[00:40:02] <sypher> Nika: What Ubuntu does is solidly off-topic here.
• 100[00:40:47] <SuperTramp83> there's the offtopic debian channel if I remember correctly
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• 102[00:41:08] <missmbob> yes, it's #debian-offtopic
• 103[00:41:22] <SuperTramp83> that one, yes.
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• 105[00:42:12] <TomTomTosch> but the one on oftc is much better!
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• 108[00:43:03] <missmbob> TomTomTosch: always the troublemaker :P
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• 110[00:43:23] <SuperTramp83> ^^
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• 113[00:46:21] <frazzieJazzy> hey, as an advice: dont use google for reporting...u switch ISP and they lock you out of your accounts. anyway, got to git.
• 114[00:46:30] <frazzieJazzy> bug reporting
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• 151[01:06:47] <netvor> hi guys, I'm trying to create a package w/ sudoers.d file but it simply does not deliver it
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• 153[01:07:24] <netvor> i have 3 files, one of them goes to sudoers, but 2 get deployed but the one in /etc/sudoers.d not
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• 155[01:08:02] <netvor> there's no error from dpkg -i, and dpkg -L shows that this package still owns tyhe file
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• 158[01:10:23] <netvor> any ideas?
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• 161[01:13:30] <bhurstpdx1> /var/log/faillog is not logging failed authentication attempts, any ideas?
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• 163[01:16:58] <tristero> I have a bizarre problem. There's a mystery machine on my (wired) home LAN that I don't recognize. It's got a DHCP address, and it's running a webserver that says it's an ASRock Rack IPMI server. It's got an open telnet port, and a trivial user/password, which shows it's an embedded ARM device of some sort. How can I track this down, without powering off every machine on my network one by one?
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• 168[01:20:17] <sypher> tristero: This is more of a networking question than a Debian question. Do you have a managed switch, or is it a dumb switch?
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• 174[01:26:45] <CuteMeOwnThroat> tristero, it's not some router, modem or switch?
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• 197[01:35:31] <nname31> hello, i have one question,
• 198[01:35:34] <nname31> replaced-url
• 199[01:35:36] <nname31> what is this folder x-nautilus-desktop?
• 200[01:35:38] <nname31> if press on this folder , take this failed message
• 201[01:35:40] <nname31> replaced-url
• 202[01:35:42] <nname31> (first time today i see this folder)
• 203[01:35:55] <MasonHau-> :D g0t it
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• 214[01:42:34] <Biganon> hi there ! Can anyone explain this wizardry : replaced-url
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• 218[01:44:26] <Epakai> what's wizardry? is ewsgi in that other bin folder?
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• 222[01:45:45] <Epakai> if you're expecting a uwsgi in goullagoullik/bin maybe it's not executable
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• 224[01:46:42] <Biganon> it is there, and it is executable
• 225[01:46:52] <Biganon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 biganon biganon 1167488 jui 25 00:43 uwsgi
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• 228[01:48:35] <Biganon> dodobrain from #python told me to deactive and reactive my venv and it worked
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• 230[01:49:07] <Biganon> deactivate* reactivate*
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• 239[01:55:30] <hassoon> where are the autobuilders of debian located? :o
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• 241[01:55:53] <hassoon> the ones where the buildd resides
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• 304[02:37:45] <luxflow> I setfacl -d -m user::rwx,group::rwx,other::- and umask 000, touch d, permission of d is rw:rw:- not rwx:rwx:- while permission of `mkdir dd` is rwx:rwx:- Is there anyone who knows why this happened?
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• 315[02:45:44] <luxflow> thx for quick answer
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• 414[03:54:56] <MasonHau-> Has anyone done VGA Passthrough?
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• 425[04:00:44] <luxflow> MasonHau- me
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• 429[04:03:03] <MasonHau-> Im getting blue screen of death on my windows without virt manager working with 2 gfx cards and 1 monitor
• 430[04:04:59] <luxflow> Is it ok with 1 gfx?
• 431[04:05:12] <luxflow> are you on qemu OVMF or seabios?
• 432[04:05:26] <MasonHau-> qemu ovmf
• 433[04:05:39] <luxflow> Is it ok 1 gfx?
• 434[04:05:55] <MasonHau-> yes
• 435[04:06:07] <MasonHau-> but i do haave it stubed
• 436[04:06:08] <luxflow> did you apply kvm.ignore_msrs=1 ?
• 437[04:06:45] <MasonHau-> no?
• 438[04:07:07] <MasonHau-> Ive never seen that before
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• 440[04:07:41] <luxflow> vim /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="kvm.ignore_msrs=1 ~~~"
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• 442[04:07:50] <luxflow> update-grub
• 443[04:08:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1568
• 444[04:08:06] <MasonHau-> ok
• 445[04:08:10] <MasonHau-> lemme show you
• 446[04:08:10] <luxflow> what are the manfacturer of two card?
• 447[04:08:17] <MasonHau-> asus
• 448[04:08:20] <MasonHau-> ati
• 449[04:08:23] <MasonHau-> also
• 450[04:08:28] <luxflow> nvidia or amd?
• 451[04:08:34] <MasonHau-> amd
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• 453[04:09:08] <MasonHau-> also, Im running radeon driver while other card is pci stubbed
• 454[04:09:23] <MasonHau-> two different hdmi cables running to same monitor
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• 456[04:09:30] <luxflow> ah you mean pci-stub
• 457[04:09:36] <MasonHau-> yes yes
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• 459[04:10:08] <luxflow> if you're debian jessie try vfio.ids not pci-stub.ids
• 460[04:10:24] <luxflow> vfio-pci.ids sorry, vfio-pci have some improvement over pci-stub
• 461[04:10:25] <MasonHauk> Im actully gentoo ;o
• 462[04:11:21] <luxflow> from kernel 4.1, vfio-pci is supported
• 463[04:11:30] <MasonHauk> I see
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• 466[04:12:08] <MasonHauk> Like I said Im a little lost to the fact of the variables
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• 468[04:12:23] <luxflow> but I cannot understand two graphic card for one monitor?
• 469[04:13:07] <MasonHauk> monitor different input
• 470[04:13:14] <MasonHauk> I thought might work?
• 471[04:13:30] <MasonHauk> lolll I dont know
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• 473[04:13:41] <MasonHauk> I figured it would
• 474[04:13:51] <MasonHauk> but I havnt seen much impact
• 475[04:14:04] <luxflow> do you want to run two vm, each have own's graphic card?
• 476[04:14:55] <MasonHauk> I want to run a host with a guest one the host for local linux with 1 gfx card and other gfx card for vm
• 477[04:14:57] <MasonHauk> guest
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• 480[04:16:13] <luxflow> ok i see
• 481[04:16:22] <luxflow> did you checked iommu group ?
• 482[04:16:40] <MasonHauk> well I got it under pci_stub as lspci -nk says
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• 485[04:18:08] <luxflow> can you post result of find /sys/kernel/iommu_groups/ -type l, lspci -nnv? replaced-url
• 486[04:18:14] <MasonHauk> yes
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• 489[04:19:31] <MasonHauk> replaced-url
• 490[04:19:53] <luxflow> not found..?
• 491[04:19:59] <joshumax> So has anyone seen the latest popcorn on debian-devel? -- replaced-url
• 492[04:20:40] <MasonHauk> find: Arguments to -type should contain only one letter
• 493[04:21:26] <luxflow> `find /sys/kernel/iommu_groups/ -type l` `lspci -nnv` two command
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• 495[04:21:50] <MasonHauk> mk
• 496[04:21:54] <MasonHauk> sorry
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• 498[04:22:17] <MasonHauk> nothing found on first
• 499[04:22:34] <MasonHauk> returns nothing
• 500[04:22:57] <luxflow> cat /proc/cmdline ?
• 501[04:23:26] <MasonHauk> BOOT_IMAGE=/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-4.4.6-gentoo-o root=UUID=cff2495d-050b-493b-a8fe-9bf147768369 ro iommu=pt iommu=1 pci_stub.ids=1002:6811
• 502[04:26:18] <No_one_at_all> Hi, I've got a question about using iptables-restore on debian. I have a custom set of rules that are saved (as per default, apparently) to /etc/iptables/rules.v4 and rules.v6. When the box reboots, however, the rules are messed up. iptables -L shows the original rules, followed by the modified rules (which means the modified rules are never followed, because the original rules have several "ACCEPT all
• 503[04:26:21] <No_one_at_all> anywhere" lines). This seems to indicate that the firewall rules are being loaded from two different locations, and not just /etc/iptables/rules.v*. What should I be doing if I want only my modified rules to be loaded?
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• 505[04:26:39] <luxflow> are you using amd cpu?
• 506[04:26:55] <joshumax> wait this isn't #debian-offtopic
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• 515[04:33:28] <HaMsTeRs> hey guys, I have a super noob question
• 516[04:33:43] <HaMsTeRs> what is the proper way to download and install whiskermenu for my nix box?
• 517[04:34:09] <HaMsTeRs> are there any plugins or additional files we need to download?
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• 553[04:57:04] <calherAtomic> Does anyone here use Libreboot?
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• 560[05:00:53] <deadf0x> calherAtomic, not many here use rolling distributions
• 561[05:01:57] <calherAtomic> deadf0x: Libreboot is boot firmware...
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• 564[05:05:02] <deadf0x> I know that...
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• 566[05:08:21] <calherAtomic> deadf0x: could you please be clearer? I don't understand, and I'm having a bad day, and I am already trying hard not to lose my composure.
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• 574[05:10:56] <deadf0x> calherAtomic, whats the question about Libreboot?
• 575[05:11:03] <finchd> calherAtomic: doesn't sound like anybody who's on right now uses libreboot, if they've got a channel of their own, try that
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• 583[05:15:48] <luxflow> Is there anyone who using rtl8111 on debian? are performance good?
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• 610[05:33:26] <CoLdFeeLiNgS> lastest is 8.5 ?
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• 614[05:36:53] <awal1> yes
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• 616[05:37:45] <calherAtomic> deadf0x: I can't boot Debian live cd, not even by typing grub commands manually; I get an initramfs prompt
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• 619[05:39:15] <deadf0x> hrm, seen this issue before...can't recall the solution
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• 669[05:59:22] <gnat_> calherAtomic, I would try putting it on a usb stick
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• 673[06:01:17] <k_sze[work]> Does debian (or Linux in general) have a way to mark bad RAM and ignore it upon reboot?
• 674[06:01:32] <orlock> k_sze[work]: yes
• 675[06:01:49] <k_sze[work]> I have this server that seems unstable. It would spontaneously reboot and then I see 16 GB RAM lost.
• 676[06:02:22] <orlock> ahh if its that bad it sounds really fucked
• 677[06:02:23] <themill> ! grub2 badram
• 678[06:02:23] <dpkg> BadRAM filtering (i.e. declaring memory regions as bad) is available in GNU GRUB 2 since grub2 1.98+20100702-1. No kernel patch is required for Linux systems. To use, edit /etc/default/grub, uncomment the GRUB_BADRAM parameter and include the required patterns; the <memtest86> and memtest86+ utilities can determine the patterns for your system.
• 679[06:02:41] <orlock> thats sounds like a whole stick not being detected - clean the contacts?
• 680[06:02:51] <themill> but yeah, it's not worth fiddling with it ... try reseating it or just replace it
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• 684[06:04:30] <k_sze[work]> Is there a way to detect which RAM slots are used from inside Linux?
• 685[06:04:46] <k_sze[work]> Because if I reboot to BIOS, I see all 64GB present, which isn't helpful.
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• 687[06:04:58] <themill> hwinfo can be informative
• 688[06:05:08] <themill> err lshw
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• 690[06:05:31] <orlock> theres also some information available via lmsensors/i2c
• 691[06:06:05] <calherAtomic> gnat_: it WAS usb
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• 704[06:13:59] <Hello> When Ever I try to mount my partition I get this error replaced-url
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• 708[06:15:27] <epsilon> mount sda1 instead of sda
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• 722[06:28:29] <Hello> What command can you use to tell how much space is left on a disk?
• 723[06:28:54] <luxflow> df -h
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• 736[06:37:32] <No_one_at_all> Hi, I've got a question about using iptables-restore on debian. I have a custom set of rules that are saved (as per default, apparently) to /etc/iptables/rules.v4 and rules.v6. When the box reboots, however, the rules are messed up. iptables -L shows the original rules, followed by the modified rules (which means the modified rules are never followed, because the original rules have several "ACCEPT all
• 737[06:37:33] <No_one_at_all> anywhere" lines). This seems to indicate that the firewall rules are being loaded from two different locations, and not just /etc/iptables/rules.v*. What should I be doing if I want only my modified rules to be loaded?
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• 835[08:02:46] <alehck0> any idea what can be done? I have to ifconfig eth0 down every time
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• 890[08:35:39] <k_sze[work]> ugh, replaced-url
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• 901[08:41:54] <Hello> use emacs
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• 928[09:04:31] <FUNG-KU> Hi, how do i get to a grub-shell from my terminal ? typing "grub" results in "command not found"...
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• 931[09:05:25] <karsten> FUNG-KU: You get to the grub shell at boot. It's not active once the system has booted Linux. What are you trying to do?
• 932[09:05:52] <FUNG-KU> how do i get an interactive grub-shell, then karsten ?...
• 933[09:06:43] <karsten> FUNG-KU: Generally: hit up/down arrows when booting, follow the prompts.
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• 935[09:07:34] <FUNG-KU> how do i get an interactive grub-shell from my current session without rebooting... ?
• 936[09:07:59] <Stummi> FUNG-KU, what do you want to do in your grub shell?
• 937[09:08:09] <karsten> FUNG-KU: again: what are you trying to do. Generally the only time you need to get to a grub shell is when your boot's gone bad.
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• 939[09:08:20] <karsten> FUNG-KU: You don't.
• 940[09:08:32] <FUNG-KU> Answering a question with a question is not very productive, but gnostic...
• 941[09:08:49] <Stummi> FUNG-KU, you cannot open a grub shell after booting, since this wouldn't make any sense
• 942[09:09:03] <karsten> FUNG-KU: Asking stupid questions isn't very productive either. Maybe, just maybe, I've got some fucking idea of what I'm talking about.
• 943[09:09:14] <FUNG-KU> do i have to install a emulted grub-shell then ?
• 944[09:09:18] <Stummi> FUNG-KU, the grub shell is used to boot. After booting, theres no need to open a shell allowing you to chose boot options
• 945[09:09:21] <FUNG-KU> emulated...
• 946[09:09:24] <FUNG-KU> grub.
• 947[09:09:27] <FUNG-KU> ?
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• 949[09:09:29] <Stummi> FUNG-KU, depends on what you want to do with the grub shell
• 950[09:09:47] <karsten> FUNG-KU: Install a VM. qemu and any random Linux boot image would be among your better options. Virtualbox if you want to dig deeper.
• 951[09:10:02] <Stummi> but since you don't like to be asked what you want to do with the shell, yes, just emulate it and hope you can do whatever you intent then
• 952[09:10:06] <FUNG-KU> i just want a grub-shell, what i am going to do is not yet determined....
• 953[09:10:24] <karsten> FUNG-KU: Mind that many bootable images use something other than grub, based off of PXEBoot IIRC.
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• 955[09:10:42] <FUNG-KU> i had distros before, where typing a simple "grub" would take me to the grub-shell, without rebooting....
• 956[09:10:43] <Stummi> FUNG-KU, download a live distri, and boot it via qemu
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• 958[09:10:49] <karsten> FUNG-KU: Reboot your computer. Real or virtual. Follow the Grub prompts. Grub's not available past boot.
• 959[09:10:54] <Stummi> FUNG-KU, which distris?
• 960[09:11:14] <towo^work> this was not a disto-thing
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• 962[09:11:18] <FUNG-KU> rebooting is not an option to me, but a work-around i am not going to accept...
• 963[09:11:31] <towo^work> grub-lagacy has a grub-shell from running system
• 964[09:11:42] <towo^work> grub2 does not have this
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• 966[09:11:58] <karsten> FUNG-KU: I hate reality too most of the time. I've discovered it usually wins, however. Your call.
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• 968[09:12:13] <FUNG-KU> towo^work: maybe it was grub-leagcy, grub2 can not do ?
• 969[09:12:27] <towo^work> no, grub2 can't do this
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• 973[09:14:34] <FUNG-KU> karsten, to answer you initial question, i am trying to mess around with grub-shell , to see if i could enhance my learning , but i am not going to reboot, in order to learn grub-shell, in grub 2....
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• 975[09:15:31] <karsten> FUNG-KU: That's where you're mistaken. You're going to reboot _something_. Real or virtual. Have fun.
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• 977[09:16:02] <FUNG-KU> there has be an other alternative.... , other then rebooting, making the system unusable..., in the mean time...
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• 981[09:16:37] <No_one_at_all> Hi, I've got a question about using iptables-restore on debian. I have a custom set of rules that are saved (as per default, apparently) to /etc/iptables/rules.v4 and rules.v6. When the box reboots, however, the rules are messed up. iptables -L shows the original rules, followed by the modified rules (which means the modified rules are never followed, because the original rules have several "ACCEPT all
• 982[09:16:39] <No_one_at_all> anywhere" lines). This seems to indicate that the firewall rules are being loaded from two different locations, and not just /etc/iptables/rules.v*. What should I be doing if I want only my modified rules to be loaded?
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• 985[09:17:45] <mirazi_heket> hello, im trying to mount davfs2 share, but i have problem with it, can anyone check? (might provide additional info if you wish) replaced-url
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• 987[09:18:20] <karsten> FUNG-KU: Tell you what: next time you show up here, instead of asking questions and not liking the answers, you have the answers. Seems that's your style.
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• 989[09:19:03] <FUNG-KU> karsten, you have the software....., the software is the answer.....
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• 991[09:19:44] <karsten> mirazi_heket: Looks as if that share is 404. Can you reach it by other means?
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• 999[09:21:43] <mirazi_heket> wget says 404
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• 1002[09:22:18] <karsten> mirazi_heket: That would make mounting a difficult prospect. Are you sure you've got the right host/URL?
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• 1005[09:23:12] <mirazi_heket> karsten: seems like its wrong on server side, will talk with person who created this share
• 1006[09:23:20] <karsten> mirazi_heket: OK.
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• 1017[09:27:48] <FUNG-KU> telling me to reboot the machine in order to be able to execute some of software......, that can only be executed on boot-up....
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• 1019[09:28:27] <CuteMeOwnThroat> there is a package grub-emu one wonders what that might do
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• 1021[09:30:08] <Stummi> FUNG-KU, I don't think you understand what grub or the grub shell actually is
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• 1023[09:30:32] <Stummi> its in the spirit of a boot loader to only be run at boot time
• 1024[09:30:53] <babilen> FUNG-KU: What are you *really* trying to achieve?
• 1025[09:30:53] <karsten> CuteMeOwnThroat: Shh!
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• 1027[09:31:41] <Stummi> grub-emu seems to start an own window, so its not a CLI command, what was asked for
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• 1029[09:32:39] <Stummi> FUNG-KU, also, asking someone what he actually tries to do is pretty productive in most cases. Look up the so called "XY problem"
• 1030[09:32:53] <Stummi> replaced-url
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• 1033[09:33:44] <FUNG-KU> Stummi: investigate.., learn..., enhance....
• 1034[09:34:01] <karsten> Stummi: also replaced-url
• 1035[09:34:27] <Stummi> FUNG-KU, well, so see if grub-emu fits your need
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• 1037[09:35:32] <FUNG-KU> Stummi close enough..., but not quite it.
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• 1039[09:35:51] <Stummi> why not?
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• 1042[09:37:16] <FUNG-KU> Stummi: could you explain, why grub-shell can not be executed from Terminal-window ? if so, go ahead...
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• 1045[09:38:41] <Stummi> not sure, but if I had to quess, I would say because grub2 probably does not use terminfo for the TUI, but something own, which cannot be applied to terminal emulators
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• 1058[09:42:42] <FUNG-KU> maybe..., maybe neither..., i still dont know...
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• 1068[09:48:14] <fkn_white_male> We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. - #hax @ irc.rizon.net
• 1069[09:48:17] <fkn_white_male> We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. - #hax @ irc.rizon.net
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• 1098[10:09:36] <jvava> hi, my box died, so i got a new box, after add my old hd successfully,... now, i have a linux partition but mba lost, how to do?
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• 1123[10:23:50] <CuteMeOwnThroat> Master of Business Administration??
• 1124[10:23:57] <CuteMeOwnThroat> why should the mbr be lost
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• 1127[10:28:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> IF that was the problem, you'd boot from a rescue disk, chroot into the existing system and ... wait why am I typing if there's a factoid
• 1128[10:28:44] <CuteMeOwnThroat> dpkg, fixmbr
• 1129[10:28:44] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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• 1137[10:31:47] <afx_> Hello ! Is there any tool I can use to measure bandwidth usage?
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• 1150[10:41:17] <CuteMeOwnThroat> yes
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• 1154[10:42:15] <CuteMeOwnThroat> nethogs
• 1155[10:43:05] <CuteMeOwnThroat> interestingly, that fails for me on jessie
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• 1158[10:44:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh. replaced-url
• 1159[10:44:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1161[10:44:49] <CuteMeOwnThroat> judd, versions nethogs
• 1162[10:44:50] <judd> Package: nethogs on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.0-3; jessie: 0.8.0-1; wheezy: 0.8.0-1; jessie-backports: 0.8.1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 0.8.5-1; stretch: 0.8.5-1
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• 1174[10:48:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> also, ntop, trace-summary, collectd, darkstat
• 1175[10:48:25] <afx_> CuteMeOwnThroat, is nethogs for current bandwidth usage or does it let you calculate total usage too /
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• 1177[10:49:02] <afx_> CuteMeOwnThroat, yes currently looking at ntop . What I want is to measure the usage from the time I start one of these programs
• 1178[10:49:27] <afx_> more specific the download in MB
• 1179[10:50:32] <afx_> Ah , I think nload does this
• 1180[10:51:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> well, you didn't specify what you wanted to do...
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• 1183[10:53:09] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and first you said bandwidth... and now you seem to be interested in download amount
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• 1185[10:53:20] <CuteMeOwnThroat> or traffic amount
• 1186[10:53:41] <CuteMeOwnThroat> there's also dstat
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• 1190[10:55:03] <afx_> yes sorry for this CuteMeOwnThroat
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• 1196[10:57:17] <afx_> dstat looks nice
• 1197[10:57:21] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I think there's still no wrapper to say how much traffic a single process caused
• 1198[10:57:35] <CuteMeOwnThroat> although I thought I'd seen one...
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• 1202[10:58:46] <afx_> total traffic is also fine ( not per process )
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• 1204[11:00:18] <CuteMeOwnThroat> I once wanted to know that to see if I could run a game server on a VPS with a limited amount of traffic... there was no way I could find to do it about 10 years ago
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• 1206[11:02:01] <afx_> as far I can see nload shows you the total load for selected interface. Don't know when it starts counting though.. trying to figure that out
• 1207[11:02:05] <CuteMeOwnThroat> also iftop
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• 1209[11:02:34] <CuteMeOwnThroat> the interface itself counts packets
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• 1211[11:03:08] <afx_> let me check this too
• 1212[11:03:16] <CuteMeOwnThroat> it's reading those out, that's it
• 1213[11:03:36] <CuteMeOwnThroat> you can see them in ifconfig as part of the device config
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• 1217[11:04:19] <afx_> yes iftop looks good too
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• 1290[11:39:10] <TheQuestionmark> Is there a user friendly way to share files between Linux systems (all of them Debian/Debian based) and Windows NT6 (Vista, 7, 8.x)?
• 1291[11:39:41] <nkuttler> samba?
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• 1295[11:41:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> rumba *cough* scnr
• 1296[11:41:16] <TheQuestionmark> nkuttler: Is a mess, we tried that yesterday and my friend's laptop couldn't see my in the network environment. Also couldn't I find his computer.
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• 1298[11:41:34] <TheQuestionmark> -my +mine
• 1299[11:41:54] <nkuttler> ftp then
• 1300[11:42:23] <nkuttler> you said user friends btw. setting up samba is not totally trivial, but still easy for simple file sharing
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• 1302[11:42:47] <nkuttler> friendly
• 1303[11:43:12] <TheQuestionmark> nkuttler: Indeed it is but since my computer couldn't be detected, there must be something wrong with Samba in Jessie or at least on my laptop here.
• 1304[11:44:06] <TheQuestionmark> Then again, we also tried good old Age of Empires 2 which made us realize his laptop has an active firewall.
• 1305[11:44:29] <TheQuestionmark> Possibly it's that Windows10 he just installed to have a possible upgrade option for free.
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• 1312[11:46:48] <petn-randall> TheQuestionmark: Windows 10 tags network connections as either private or public. In the public case it by default refuses to do any form of network sharing. YMMV.
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• 1318[11:50:13] <ransur0t> TheQuestionmark: just make sure you've properly setup your windows shares, samba should work fine
• 1319[11:50:23] <TheQuestionmark> petn-randall: Huh... odd... we set Windows10 to act as if it were in a private network and still no luck.
• 1320[11:51:00] <TheQuestionmark> ransur0t: Tried via both, Nautilus and /etc/samba/smb.conf, neither one worked.
• 1321[11:51:07] <TheQuestionmark> I still suppose it was his firewall.
• 1322[11:51:31] <ransur0t> have you set sharing permissions on each windows directory you want to access over your network?
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• 1329[11:56:07] <TheQuestionmark> I set up $HOME/public to be ro accessable via Samba, also for guests.
• 1330[11:56:43] <TheQuestionmark> And since WORKGROUP is default on Windows for ages, I didn't change that either.
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• 1333[11:57:20] <ransur0t> you're saying you can't reach your linux directory from your windows machine(s)?
• 1334[11:58:12] <TheQuestionmark> Rather from my friend's Windows machine but basically, yes.
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• 1336[11:58:30] <TheQuestionmark> Neither does it work the opposite way.
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• 1340[11:59:55] <ransur0t> I use replaced-url
• 1341[12:00:08] <ransur0t> you can also use cli pscp (putty secure copy)
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• 1344[12:01:01] <TheQuestionmark> Hmm... that'd be probably the easist, using temporary ssh-keys I delete afterwards.
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• 1346[12:01:30] <TheQuestionmark> Then again, I can't isolate SSH to one certain directory, can I?
• 1347[12:01:46] <ransur0t> good way to go, don't even need keys if you've enable password authentication
• 1348[12:01:53] <Iridos> I wonder... is there a way to configure pulseaudio to keep the audio sinks for an application e.g. 5 seconds after the application quit?
• 1349[12:02:13] <TheQuestionmark> ransur0t: That would need me to tell my friends my login password.
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• 1351[12:02:53] <Iridos> if there's something that makes a loud 0.5 second "BING" sound, it's a little hard to change the volume of that, even if the bing happens irregularely, but as often as every 2 minutes
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• 1353[12:04:35] <Iridos> woah. crazy rain
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• 1355[12:05:07] <ransur0t> unless you set him up as a user on your box, could even restrict to non-gui user, etc ...
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• 1365[12:10:21] <TheQuestionmark> ransur0t: You speak about the sftp-subsystem, right?
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• 1382[12:17:11] <dannysantos> i have a cron job in a certain user. I wonder if that cron job only executes if the user is logon or without that user being logged on?
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• 1384[12:17:20] <dannysantos> hi all! :)
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• 1396[12:19:39] <petemc> dannysantos: it is not dependant on the user being logged in
• 1397[12:20:03] <dannysantos> petemc: thank you
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• 1403[12:23:20] <chandrashekar> hai
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• 1428[12:37:54] <petn-randall> TheQuestionmark: Can you explicitely connect to it via \\<name> or \\<IP> ?
• 1429[12:38:02] <ransur0t> petemc: keep in mind that you may need to enter the absolute path to any programs you are running, and the user may need sudo rights to do so
• 1430[12:38:08] <petn-randall> TheQuestionmark: Might be just a discovery issue.
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• 1432[12:39:18] <ransur0t> TheQuestionmark: no, just user type on your linux box. you can also specify user/passwords in winSCP
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• 1463[12:58:01] <mishkin> Hi, would like to know the difference between a virtual package and a regular package as I am having some issues with standard lib apt provider of puppet
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• 1465[12:58:45] <themill> difference in what sense?
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• 1467[12:59:23] <mishkin> I mean if I understood it properly, virtual package is like a container of packages right? it contains a group of packages
• 1468[13:00:20] <mishkin> I mean I have this message "Debug: /Package[software-properties-common]: Provider apt does not support features virtual_packages; not managing attribute allow_virtual"
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• 1470[13:01:24] <themill> no, a virtual package doesn't actually exist as a package (you are thinking of metapackages)
• 1471[13:01:39] <themill> !virtual package
• 1472[13:01:40] <dpkg> A virtual package doesn't really exist, but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) providing a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To determine what provides a foo virtual package, use "aptitude search '~Ppackagename'" or "/msg judd rprovides foo".
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• 1474[13:02:49] <themill> If you "aptitude search '~Pmail-transport-agent'" you'll see that there is no package called mail-transport-agent but there's a stack of packages that have a "Provides: mail-transport-agent" in then
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• 1477[13:03:45] <mishkin> Thanks for helping to clarify the idea @themill
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• 1527[13:26:37] <darsie> what's the package needed to get gimps 'open location' work?
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• 1529[13:28:19] <ransur0t> does the option not show?
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• 1532[13:29:01] <darsie> It does, but says Could not open 'replaced-url
• 1533[13:29:20] <ransur0t> can you wget the same url?
• 1534[13:29:26] <ransur0t> from cli
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• 1536[13:29:36] <darsie> yes
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• 1538[13:30:08] <darsie> And I can open the downloaded file.
• 1539[13:30:18] <ransur0t> can you use open location to the local filepath of th image you dl'd?
• 1540[13:30:39] <unborn> darsie: how can you edit image from url without being logged into srv?
• 1541[13:30:54] <unborn> downloaded file would be editable of course.
• 1542[13:31:26] <darsie> ransur0t: yes
• 1543[13:31:33] <darsie> unborn: srv?
• 1544[13:31:42] <unborn> ...i mean the question resolve it self.. darsie srv = server
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• 1549[13:36:05] <ransur0t> have you tested other https links? vs http links? port 443 vs 80 or 8080
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• 1556[13:38:41] <darsie> ransur0t: thx, it works with http, not https.
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• 1559[13:39:02] <ransur0t> darsie: cool, yw. i had a feeling that would be it ...
• 1560[13:39:02] <darsie> And the URL was wrong. Not a link to the image.
• 1561[13:39:16] <ransur0t> ah, that'll get ya!
• 1562[13:39:38] <darsie> But I got a useful error message for that.
• 1563[13:40:04] <ransur0t> nice, thx gimp devs :)
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• 1584[13:53:56] <menace> how do i find the debug package for a given package?
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• 1586[13:54:16] <petemc> it should have -dbg in the name
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• 1598[14:00:28] <simbalion> do I have to do anything special to get 16bit color from urxvt?
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• 1601[14:01:17] <imhighowareyou> how can I dump my ram in a debian-based distro
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• 1604[14:03:34] <ransur0t> dd
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• 1608[14:05:12] <ransur0t> imhighowareyou: dd
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• 1610[14:05:30] <petn-randall> imhighowareyou: /dev/mem is a character device that maps to the complete RAM of the system. You can copy it via 'cp /dev/mem /your/place/to/dump/the/file'. Note that it is not a consistent dump, so you depending on what you want to do this might work for you or not.
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• 1612[14:06:11] <imhighowareyou> ransur0t: options?arguments?
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• 1614[14:07:21] <imhighowareyou> petn-randall: I tried looking for it earlier, it wasn't there
• 1615[14:07:32] <petn-randall> imhighowareyou: what release are you running?
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• 1618[14:08:02] <ransur0t> imhighowareyou: looks like dd may no longer be an option due to security
• 1619[14:08:15] <imhighowareyou> kernel or distro
• 1620[14:08:21] <petn-randall> imhighowareyou: distro
• 1621[14:08:21] <ransur0t> try fmem kernel module
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• 1623[14:08:34] <petn-randall> ransur0t: What are you talking about?
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• 1625[14:09:20] <imhighowareyou> its actually a current kali-rolling distro
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• 1627[14:10:15] <ransur0t> see replaced-url
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• 1630[14:11:09] <petn-randall> imhighowareyou: Then ask in the Kali channel, this channel only gives support to Debian proper.
• 1631[14:11:12] <petn-randall> !kali
• 1632[14:11:12] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1634[14:11:30] <petn-randall> imhighowareyou: ^^^
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• 1636[14:11:46] <ransur0t> i think you need to execute a run.sh script, or something like that
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• 1644[14:13:56] <unborn> ...why people come here always with be it ubuntu, kali or pi..? been thinking a lot about it for about 4 months now..
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• 1647[14:15:03] <petn-randall> unborn: Because downstream distros don't change the default channels their IRC client connect to, so those people always end up here.
• 1648[14:15:19] <petn-randall> unborn: Ubuntu fixed that, but I think pretty much everyone else ends up here.
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• 1650[14:15:44] <petn-randall> unborn: Plus many distros channels are clueless, so people think they can ask here instead, since their distro channel is dead.
• 1651[14:15:52] <unborn> petn-randall: ah I see..
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• 1656[14:18:24] <unborn> but that suxs pretty badly.. been using ubuntu my self for 4 years however was never been able to get anything useful from irc on their channel, im glad I left that os in past.
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• 1660[14:19:48] <imhighowareyou> the guys in the Kali channel aren't interested in helping anybody with anything
• 1661[14:20:29] <unborn> imhighowareyou: perhaps we are not all in same timezone - so waiting for your answer would perhaps/maybe help
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• 1665[14:21:50] <imhighowareyou> unborn: no this is an ongoing thing
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• 1671[14:23:07] <imhighowareyou> ransur0t: yes that's right. you got a copy of fmem?
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• 1675[14:23:21] <unborn> imhighowareyou: but I understand guys there.. the thing is - what you using kali for in first place and there is some thing called spoonfeeding - if you use kali as an tool, you should know mostly already what you doing on that distro. Personally speaking I found most of the stuff online without even need it to visit their channel. perhaps if that distro is not working for you, you can always change it ;)
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• 1681[14:25:35] <imhighowareyou> oh christ
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• 1685[14:28:28] <TheQuestionmark> petn-randall: Nope, at least not from my side, can't speak for Windows as I didn't knew what to type into the address bar. Note that I can't ping the W10 host either.
• 1686[14:29:01] <TheQuestionmark> petn-randall: So... it's most likely some crazy firewall setting cursed by my friend's AV or FW or so.
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• 1695[14:33:51] <ransur0t> imhighowareyou: no
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• 1709[14:39:58] <capruro> hi all
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• 1711[14:40:45] <TheQuestionmark> Hello capruro.
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• 1713[14:41:00] <ransur0t> konichiwa
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• 1726[14:48:01] <TheQuestionmark> Heh... speaking of my issue, it seems like Microsoft messed up the service in some later W10 build, so it doesn't work properly.
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• 1771[15:14:29] <menace> does anyone has a idea why i cannot install kde-runtime-dbg on debian testing? kde-runtime-dbg and kdelibs5-dbg seem to have conflicting dependencies. i have no other repository than debian testing (main contrib non-free) installed.. :/
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• 1775[15:16:37] <themill> menace: kde-runtime-dbg isn't in testing at all
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• 1794[15:25:52] <menace> wow.. you're right.. o_O fuckup on my side.
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• 1797[15:26:22] <shtrb> I like the new features seen post a dist-uprgade , after a reboot my cpu and hardisk temp (84F / 86FC) is lower than outside temp (a mercury outdoor thermometer shows 95F)
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• 1824[15:42:00] <petn-randall> shtrb: Sounds like one of those thermometers is faulty.
• 1825[15:42:48] <bezaban> has anyone tried debian on a lenovo x260?
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• 1831[15:45:13] <petn-randall> !anyone
• 1832[15:45:13] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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• 1836[15:45:57] <shtrb> petn-randall, or an excelent feature related to hwmon ?
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• 1843[15:47:58] <bezaban> Does debian work satisfactory (LAN/WIFI/Sound) on the x260? It was a general question, still only burning the iso.
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• 1845[15:48:26] <shtrb> petn-randall , the chances that both failed right after an upgrade are not that hight (it is possible , but still not that hight)
• 1846[15:48:55] <shtrb> bezaban , what wifi chip ?
• 1847[15:49:12] <bezaban> shtrb: this is the intel, not the broadcom. One sec
• 1848[15:49:25] <bezaban> 8260AC
• 1849[15:49:50] <petn-randall> bezaban: I'd expect everything to run out of the box, maybe the wifi needs to have firmware installed. You probably have more luck doing a internet search for "Debian lenovo x260" and checking the installation report of someone.
• 1850[15:49:52] <shtrb> google is not promising :-(
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• 1852[15:50:40] <bezaban> it's still pretty new, I have found a few stories by googling what you suggest, but I was hoping that someone might have some more recent success stories
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• 1854[15:50:49] <nohair> hello i want to ask
• 1855[15:50:55] <nohair> my login screen look to ugly
• 1856[15:51:06] <nohair> just black background and columnt login
• 1857[15:51:21] <nohair> is possible if i want make like this replaced-url
• 1858[15:51:21] <bezaban> shtrb: it's not, arch has some more positive stories, and it's in line for an ubuntu certification
• 1859[15:51:26] <petn-randall> bezaban: I expect it to work out of the box, worst-case is you need to install a backports kernel to get something to work.
• 1860[15:51:39] <shtrb> start with iwlwifi , the wiki says it should be supported as of 4.1 (iwlmvm)
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• 1862[15:51:54] <petn-randall> nohair: Which login manager do you currently have installed?
• 1863[15:51:55] <shtrb> check wifreless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi it says it might work
• 1864[15:51:57] <bezaban> petn-randall: thanks yeah, I'll know shortly
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• 1868[15:52:39] <nohair> how to checkit petn-randall
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• 1872[15:53:53] <shtrb> bezaban, when I said it does not look promising that mean you might need to get the correct firmware (use the link I gave you) , I also named the driver you might check
• 1873[15:54:04] <nohair> petn-randall, lightdm-gtk-greeter <--- is the login screen?
• 1874[15:54:14] <shtrb> and the minimum kernel version
• 1875[15:54:25] <bezaban> shtrb: great. Cheers
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• 1882[15:56:39] <shtrb> reddit says you need 4.6 and not 4.1 (allegdly there is a small inconviense , kernel oops)
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• 1884[15:56:53] <shtrb> *in case of a closed lid
• 1885[15:57:02] <bezaban> yeah, the hibernate thing I can live with for now
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• 1887[15:57:44] <shtrb> also if you have a docking station , try to play with debian when the device is disconnecteed
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• 1889[15:58:10] <shtrb> I was blaming once debian , but actually had an issue with a bad docking station
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• 1900[16:03:30] <nohair> omg
• 1901[16:03:33] <nohair> :9
• 1902[16:03:34] <nohair> :(
• 1903[16:03:38] <nohair> answer me please
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• 1908[16:07:36] <jhutchins> nohair: Yes, you probably are using lightdm, see the lightdm documentation for how to modify it's appearance.
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• 1912[16:08:27] <nohair> >
• 1913[16:08:28] <nohair> ?
• 1914[16:08:31] <nohair> Yes ?
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• 2000[16:57:21] <Yego> hey guys, I've some source code I wanted to build a package from, i went ahead following the debian package tutorial, naming my directory myapp-1.0.0, cd'ed into it and called "dh-make --createorig", modified the files in the "debian" directory(control, etc. textual changes only) and ran "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc" and it worked! Sadly it only worked once, I changed stuff in my codebase, removed the "orig.tar.xz" archive and reran the steps, but n
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• 2003[16:58:06] <LAL> hello everyone, I don't know how but i got blacklisted from debian.org when I was trying to register. Please help
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• 2007[16:59:34] <Yego> what am I missing here ? are there some other files created somewhere that I need to purge to get back to a "clean" state? As said I removed the "debian" directory and the ".orig.tar.xz, .dsc and .tar.gz" files that were created in the parent directory.
• 2008[17:01:23] <themill> removing the packaging doesn't sound like the right approach to making changes in the packaging
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• 2015[17:05:41] <teraflops> LAL: I can't see a _create account_ or similar at replaced-url
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• 2018[17:07:25] <Yego> themill: I started out with my codebase, then I ran dh_make in the source directory this created the "debian" directory(and a source tarball due to the --createorig flag), and then the very first build with dpkg-buildpackage worked fine an I got an .deb package file, however now I'm unable to rebuild the package, so I thought I just start the packaging process all over again.
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• 2030[17:12:18] <LAL> teraflops: sorry for the delay, actually its replaced-url
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• 2055[17:27:30] <LAL> teraflops: How to get started with contributions. Also how to remove this blacklist tag from me :)
• 2056[17:27:31] <teraflops> LAL: it worked for me flawlessly less than a minute ago
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• 2058[17:27:59] <teraflops> LAL: I have no idea, look at the site for support email
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• 2060[17:28:51] <LAL> teraflops: Do debian use IRC to communicate ?
• 2061[17:29:03] <teraflops> LAL: for the wiki is way harder, actually you have to email some guy and then he evaluates the request
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• 2063[17:29:55] <teraflops> LAL: no idea sorry I'm not part of debian, I just hang by here
• 2064[17:30:17] <LAL> Ah !
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• 2067[17:31:16] <LAL> Does anyone know to get started with Debian for contributions ?
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• 2070[17:31:51] <LAL> I am not able to register in Debian main site
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• 2073[17:32:19] <babilen> LAL: Where are you trying to register and whatfor?
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• 2081[17:33:18] <teraflops> install testing/sid and file bugs, create a wiki account and fix/write entries/translations, offer support here… I guess
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• 2083[17:34:57] <LAL> babilen:
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• 2087[17:36:37] <LAL> babilen: I was trying to register at debian so that I could start contributing.
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• 2092[17:36:55] <babilen> LAL: Where exactly?
• 2093[17:37:13] <themill> LAL: "at debian" tells us nothing. Exact URLs can help.
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• 2095[17:37:18] <greycat> 11:12 LAL> teraflops: sorry for the delay, actually its replaced-url
• 2096[17:37:30] <greycat> I literally have NO IDEA what that site is.
• 2097[17:37:42] <babilen> It's an old collection of howtos IIRC
• 2098[17:37:57] <jelly> it's a rather unaffiliated blog type thing, isn't it
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• 2101[17:38:16] <babilen> yeah
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• 2103[17:38:23] <teraflops> I setup an account there because I was curious, no issues at all
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• 2105[17:39:30] <LAL> babilen: its replaced-url
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• 2107[17:40:13] <greycat> LAL: I think the primary point here is that replaced-url
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• 2109[17:40:30] <teraflops> LAL: did you check the "remember my ip" thing while login?
• 2110[17:41:13] <babilen> LAL: How would you like to contribute to Debian?
• 2111[17:42:11] <LAL> teraflops: I actually don't know what happened, my internet was slow.
• 2112[17:42:33] <teraflops> LAL: as I said look there for a support email, contact or whatever
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• 2116[17:43:40] <teraflops> also: install testing/sid and file bugs, create a wiki account and fix/write entries/translations, offer support here… look like ways to contribute too
• 2117[17:43:50] <LAL> babilen: Iam interested in fixing bugs.
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• 2125[17:49:04] <nohair> share lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf please :(
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• 2128[17:49:59] <greycat> Is it part of a package that you've got? If you try "dpkg -S lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf" does it list anything?
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• 2130[17:51:00] <nohair> dpkg-query: package 'lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf' is not installed and no information is available
• 2131[17:51:28] <greycat> you did lower-case s instead of capital S?
• 2132[17:51:45] <nohair> ups sorry
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• 2134[17:51:51] <nohair> yes it listed
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• 2136[17:52:00] <greycat> WHAT did it list?
• 2137[17:52:01] <nohair> but, i have problem with login screen
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• 2139[17:52:15] <nohair> lightdm-gtk-greeter: /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
• 2140[17:52:21] <nohair> lightdm-gtk-greeter: /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.d
• 2141[17:52:26] <nohair> lightdm-gtk-greeter: /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf.d/01_debian.conf
• 2142[17:53:03] <nohair> at login screen font look square
• 2143[17:53:04] <greycat> And you have deleted /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf and you want it back? Or you believe that it has been altered from the default and you want the default back?
• 2144[17:53:05] <nohair> :(
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• 2148[17:53:32] <nohair> im not delete, but im using lightdm-gtk-greeter-setting..
• 2149[17:53:44] <nohair> and lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf is changed
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• 2152[17:54:24] <nohair> im forgot backup
• 2153[17:54:29] <nohair> i want default
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• 2160[17:55:24] <greycat> You can use dpkg-deb --extract whatever.deb /tmp/greeter
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• 2163[17:55:45] <greycat> If you don't have the original .deb file you can re-download it with apt-get --download-only --reinstall install pkgname
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• 2165[17:56:18] <nohair> thanks greycat :)
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• 2169[17:57:19] <teraflops> hmm, if you delete the files that are included in the package and you reinstall the package, does it put the missing files back?
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• 2172[17:58:08] <greycat> No.
• 2173[17:58:08] <nohair> dik
• 2174[17:58:09] <nohair> idk
• 2175[17:58:09] <nohair> xD
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• 2177[17:58:14] <greycat> !confmiss
• 2178[17:58:14] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
• 2179[17:58:22] <teraflops> greycat: ah good to know, thanks
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• 2183[17:59:00] <greycat> The primary question was whether /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf was an actual CONFIG FILE (as defined by Debian), or whether it was generated by a post-installation script.
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• 2186[17:59:09] <greycat> Turns out it's a config file, as verified by dpkg -S
• 2187[17:59:26] <greycat> So you can re-extract it from the original .deb without having to run a post-inst script.
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• 2190[18:00:08] <nohair> greycat
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• 2193[18:00:31] <nohair> the file is lightdm-gtk-greeter.deb>
• 2194[18:00:31] <nohair> ?
• 2195[18:00:46] <greycat> look in /var/cache/apt/archives/
• 2196[18:01:54] <nprs> can you guys recommend a USB wireless N device that works in Debian?
• 2197[18:02:06] <nprs> the belkin one I have isn't supported
• 2198[18:02:47] <nohair> no file .. i think is deleted by apt-get clean :(
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• 2201[18:03:07] <jelly> nprs, do you require it only worked without non-free firmware?
• 2202[18:03:17] <greycat> Then you will need to re-download it using apt-get as I showed.
• 2203[18:03:32] <jelly> nprs, can you show the "lsusb" line matching your adapter?
• 2204[18:03:32] <nprs> it doesn't matter really
• 2205[18:03:44] <nprs> I just cant run a cable to this desktop
• 2206[18:03:46] <nohair> im try it
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• 2209[18:03:58] <jelly> nprs, type it, then :-)
• 2210[18:04:03] <nprs> yeah sure lemme wake it up
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• 2212[18:04:25] <jelly> if you're lucky, it just needs firmware
• 2213[18:04:53] <jelly> but most wifi vendors keep the source for that firmware very very private
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• 2216[18:06:06] <nprs> this is it
• 2217[18:06:09] <nprs> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 050d:110a Belkin Components
• 2218[18:06:27] <nprs> I found the firmware on git but was having trouble compiling it
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• 2230[18:09:49] <nprs> replaced-url
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• 2232[18:10:44] <jelly> yeah, that seems to be firmware AND a driver too
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• 2234[18:11:14] <jelly> nprs, get online (wired?), "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential" then try building again
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• 2236[18:12:00] <ppphd> hello guys. do you know how to download a package from debian source, and all it's denpendencies??
• 2237[18:12:02] <nprs> I'll give it a go
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• 2239[18:12:06] <ppphd> I want to install software offline
• 2240[18:13:24] <greycat> apt-get --download-only install pkgname
• 2241[18:13:40] <greycat> but if you ALREADY have some of the dependencies on the wired system, it will not redownload those
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• 2244[18:13:54] <ilinka> I want it replaced-url
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• 2247[18:14:14] <ppphd> greycat: okay i get it. let me try
• 2248[18:14:15] <ppphd> thanks
• 2249[18:14:29] <ppphd> greycat: so where can i find it?
• 2250[18:14:37] <greycat> in /var/cache/apt/archives
• 2251[18:14:46] <ppphd> thnx
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• 2253[18:15:07] <greycat> Copy the .deb files to the unwired system and then try the apt-get. If you've got all the dependencies, it'll install.
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• 2255[18:15:31] <ilinka> I want it replaced-url
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• 2257[18:15:48] <greycat> ilinka: so what is your question?
• 2258[18:16:07] <ilinka> there no deb
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• 2266[18:19:19] <ilinka> greycat, ?
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• 2268[18:19:54] <ppphd> greycat: other than in /var/cache/apt/archives , can i specify other places to save downloaded deb(s)?
• 2269[18:20:14] <greycat> I still don't know what the question is. Are you asking he how to figure out whether this web site's software exists in a pre-packaged-for-Debian form?
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• 2271[18:20:38] <greycat> ppphd: You could mount a file system on /var/cache/apt/archives
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• 2276[18:20:56] <nprs> hey thanks jelly I got it to build now
• 2277[18:20:58] <nohair> thanks a alot greycat
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• 2297[18:26:39] <thermal0> Hi, what should be the temperature inside a server? I'm monitoring it with /bin/sensors
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• 2300[18:27:38] <RoyK> thermal0: depends where in the server. cpu can tolerate rather high temperature, disks should be <60c
• 2301[18:27:48] <RoyK> thermal0: the most important, however, is stability
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• 2305[18:29:12] <thermal0> The A/C is damaged, the four internal sensors report from 32 to 38C (89F 100F)
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• 2307[18:30:39] <epsilon> thermal0: as simple rule, if you can not touch a component or heat sink anymore without hurting, then it's too hot
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• 2321[18:36:05] <thermal0> Previously it was close to 30C. I'd rather turn it off. I'll check tomorrow.
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• 2325[18:38:28] <tikun> ls
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• 2331[18:39:53] <epsilon> 38C doesnt sound dramatic...
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• 2334[18:41:46] <thermal0> Yes ,but this server has more than 10 years so I'm worried. Ok, I'll leave it on.
• 2335[18:42:18] <thermal0> BTW, is there anyway to know exactly where are the sensors? the manual doesn't say. It's an intel server board.
• 2336[18:42:35] <epsilon> maybe dust es blocking the fan or dust filter? broken fan due to age?
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• 2339[18:43:09] <thermal0> epsilon: I'll check
• 2340[18:43:43] <teraflops> dust and humidity, u better get rid of them
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• 2343[18:44:18] <epsilon> humidity is not critical unless the room is not cool(ed)
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• 2347[18:46:16] <teraflops> well if it's cooled it condenses :P
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• 2350[18:46:45] <calherAtomic> epsilon: 38° C?!
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• 2359[18:52:35] <epsilon> why not, my HDD is operating at 50C at hot days
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• 2373[18:56:28] <julius_> hi
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• 2377[18:58:23] <julius_> ive got a second debian installed from this running one, both use the same /boot partition and the grub from the first system. the second system cant mount its root, /boot/grub.cfg looks like but i guess it cant load its encrypted root from the lvm partition....this should be no problem if the second system uses the same kernel/initrd as the first right?
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• 2421[19:21:51] <Gabs5807> julius_: there is a /etc/crypttab (or something like that). i is copied to the initrd file. the file contain the uuid of the root device. if you copied the root device the uuid is wrong (also it is wrong in /etc/fstab) ..
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• 2474[19:44:26] <Iridos> I have an old laptop disk with a debian-including-home partition and a windows which I finally want to copy over...
• 2475[19:45:04] <Iridos> with possibly a slight potential of booting the windows xp in a VM or so if possible, but mostly for accessing the files
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• 2477[19:46:10] <Iridos> bit unsure what the most practical approach is... copy the whole raw device? mount the linux thingy and rsync or tar /home/$USER?
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• 2479[19:46:47] <Iridos> use something like clonezilla? (huh, thought it's a boot disk, but it's a debian package)
• 2480[19:46:49] <Iridos> dpkg, clonezilla
• 2481[19:46:50] <dpkg> Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>, <partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others. replaced-url
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• 2503[19:56:37] <jhutchins> Iridos: You can partclone the Windows partition.
• 2504[19:57:06] <Iridos> what does that produce? is that mountable?
• 2505[19:57:15] <Iridos> or maybe even transferrable into a VM?
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• 2508[19:59:03] <calherAtomic> Installing Debian to test that it all works. Then will embed a preseed in initrd to automate my system install to help make my system 100% reproducible
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• 2524[20:04:37] <jhutchins> Iridos: I think that should give you options of a mountable image file, a partition, or a compressed image.
• 2525[20:05:13] <Iridos> will try, thanks
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• 2540[20:09:04] <tpanarch1st> hello, how do i go about mounting a usb drive please
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• 2542[20:09:15] <tpanarch1st> i tried fdisk -l with the drive plugged in, no mention of it
• 2543[20:09:17] <johnkeates> first, get a saddle
• 2544[20:09:25] <greycat> figure out what the device is called (usually by reading dmesg|tail) and then mount it with a mount commnad
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• 2548[20:10:15] <tpanarch1st> greycat: nowt there :(
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• 2550[20:10:54] <greycat> Find *all* of the lines that the kernel writes when the device is plugged in. There has to be a hint somewhere.
• 2551[20:11:02] <greycat> Especially if some of them look like errors.
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• 2554[20:13:35] <tpanarch1st> i'm running debian on proxmox
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• 2556[20:14:04] <jhutchins> tpanarch1st: Consult proxmox docs for how to connect a USB device to a VM.
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• 2566[20:17:12] <tpanarch1st> thanks everyone :)
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• 2626[20:50:22] <aguitel> debian jessie network install support gpt /uefi ?
• 2627[20:50:51] <greycat> Yes, as long as you use an actual installation image and NOT a live image.
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• 2629[20:51:29] <aguitel> greycat, i want to install on laptop with network install iso image
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• 2632[20:52:48] <greycat> If you need special drivers for proprietary hardware, see:
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• 2634[20:52:52] <greycat> !installer firmware
• 2635[20:52:52] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
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• 2638[20:53:16] <greycat> !firmware images
• 2639[20:53:16] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
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• 2643[20:55:22] <aguitel> greycat, thanks i will use this image
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• 2649[20:57:42] <awal1> live images also are made for install. for example live image of debian xfce will install debian/xfce task desktop
• 2650[20:58:14] <greycat> *sigh*
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• 2653[20:58:28] <awal1> so the installer should be able to install in uefi/legacy as any other installer, ehm?
• 2654[20:58:33] <greycat> !uefi live
• 2655[20:58:33] <dpkg> Currently, UEFI support exists only in Debian's installation images. The accompanying live images do not have support for UEFI boot. <replaced-url
• 2656[20:59:01] <awal1> ok, I dont knew that ;)
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• 2658[20:59:43] <sypher> That's probably why greycat's first response was "yes, as long as you use an actual installation image and NOT a live image."
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• 2662[21:00:34] <awal1> my message was almost like a non direct question :P
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• 2673[21:03:42] <sorta> whats the correct way to add a firmware .deb to the netinst.iso ?
• 2674[21:03:57] <awal1> many people told me that , sonion
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• 2679[21:04:29] <awal1> sorta, you have a netinst with non-free firmwares ready for use yet
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• 2683[21:05:17] <jhutchins> sorta: Use the netinstall image linked above.
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• 2685[21:05:42] <awal1> sorta, replaced-url
• 2686[21:06:08] <sorta> thanks for the link
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• 2688[21:06:43] <awal1> this one if amd64 , sorta replaced-url
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• 2690[21:07:18] <unborn> sorta: there is always an way to install those drivers.. I usually do netinstall with ethernet in and once installed I just install drivers later..
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• 2694[21:08:12] <jhutchins> unborn: You have to have the version of the installer that propmts for the location of the firmware files, or a version that includes them.
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• 2698[21:08:37] <jhutchins> unborn: Re-read your post, nevermind.
• 2699[21:08:47] <unborn> jhutchins: :)
• 2700[21:09:17] <jhutchins> unborn: That's usually easier than messing with the extra medium.
• 2701[21:09:20] <quantomworks> I tried asking in #raspbian ... How come sound from firefox is working but not from omxplayer or vlcmedia player? It's the same audo file. An m4a I got from the youtube downloader. Yet nothing is playing today, when it played fine yesterday.
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• 2704[21:09:58] <unborn> jhutchins: exactly and its also faster, no headaches
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• 2709[21:10:25] <unborn> quantomworks: codec?
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• 2711[21:11:24] <unborn> quantomworks: its same with mkvs - if they use some other sound codec which is not supported in web then you will have video but no sound or sound but no video
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• 2716[21:13:19] <quantomworks> unborn: No idea of the codec, but I know it was playing fine yesterday and no alterations were made to the file since then.
• 2717[21:13:29] <unborn> quantomworks: best bet would be to download those as mp4 which is sort of same as m4a or that other one.. mp4 will work for you, then you can convert it to webm or mp3
• 2718[21:13:29] <quantomworks> or updates or anything else
• 2719[21:14:25] <unborn> quantomworks: well perhaps ask someone from mozilla?
• 2720[21:15:06] <unborn> quantomworks: I always convert it to oggs :)
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• 2723[21:15:48] <quantomworks> Erm, it's a audio file on my local machine now. I'm going about your method. converting it first. I'm just trying to figure out, since im on a raspberry pi, if there's even enough ram to have firefox and omx run at the same time or something. It's a local file right now though that was on the PC. Was just using mozilla as a reference saying that my sound is configured properly...wondering if it isnt for
• 2724[21:15:48] <quantomworks> vlc or omx..
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• 2726[21:16:17] <teraflops> unborn: when you do youtube-dl -f id download a bunch of files in different formats, also video only and audio only I bet that file has no audio track at all
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• 2730[21:17:18] <quantomworks> teraflops: It had one yesterday is the thing! It played just fine through vlc media player.
• 2731[21:18:02] <unborn> teraflops: yeah could be that as well.. i never used youtube-dl so I dont know... I have some plugin in ff which gives me only mp4 format which is essentially same as m4a however codecs could be different - perhaps you right.
• 2732[21:18:10] <teraflops> quantomworks: it's easy to find out run `mediainfo` against that file
• 2733[21:18:24] <teraflops> err^ i meant unborn
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• 2735[21:18:29] <unborn> that is actually very good point ^^^
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• 2737[21:18:59] <quantomworks> installin media info..
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• 2739[21:19:36] <quantomworks> format: AAC
• 2740[21:19:41] <quantomworks> channels 2
• 2741[21:19:46] <unborn> aac?
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• 2743[21:19:55] <quantomworks> Advanced Audio Codec
• 2744[21:20:17] <unborn> quantomworks: replaced-url
• 2745[21:20:25] <unborn> read that yellowish note there
• 2746[21:20:59] <quantomworks> unborn: I'm not playing it through firefox though. Im playing it locally on my machine.
• 2747[21:21:00] <unborn> mah i re-read it too.. im wrong :) well that should be playing right?
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• 2750[21:21:49] <unborn> aha that is not working on your vlc - i got it wrong all the way
• 2751[21:21:55] <quantomworks> ^ yes and omx
• 2752[21:21:59] <quantomworks> for some reason
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• 2755[21:23:04] <unborn> yeah its playing on my machine
• 2756[21:23:44] <teraflops> unborn: then replaced-url
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• 2763[21:24:44] <teraflops> oh wait im dumb im adressing the wrong nick again
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• 2765[21:25:20] <unborn> teraflops: no problem on my end :) thanks.. quantomworks perhaps redownload file in another format and convert it.
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• 2767[21:27:06] <unborn> quantomworks: and is the other audiofiles working? i mean in vlc
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• 2770[21:28:16] <quantomworks> i only have 2 audio files right now
• 2771[21:28:25] <quantomworks> unborn: none of thm work
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• 2773[21:28:26] <quantomworks> them*
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• 2775[21:28:52] <unborn> teraflops: i use pi-s only as ssh reverse tunels for remote support and ssh folders as home media storage for files, well sometimes.
• 2776[21:29:16] <unborn> quantomworks: then check output in your vlc settings (check also advanced)
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• 2783[21:31:18] <unborn> there perhaps audio output module - should be automatic
• 2784[21:32:00] <quantomworks> its set to that..
• 2785[21:32:01] <quantomworks> no idea what to change it to.
• 2786[21:32:16] <teraflops> unborn: I do sbc as well but they have stock debian
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• 2791[21:33:03] * awal1 Finds quvi also a nice, lightweight & fast multimedia downloader; like youtube-dl it supports many websites...
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• 2793[21:33:35] <teraflops> aria2c is the better one imo
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• 2797[21:35:43] <awal1> ,v aria2c
• 2798[21:35:44] <judd> No package named 'aria2c' was found in amd64.
• 2799[21:35:49] <awal1> ,v aria2
• 2800[21:35:50] <judd> Package: aria2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.10.0-2; wheezy: 1.15.1-1; jessie: 1.18.8-1; sid: 1.24.0-1; stretch: 1.24.0-1
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• 2804[21:37:49] <awal1> teraflops, aria2c isn't in debian; but aria2 yes. what it does exactly? can be used for download media files from say youtube?
• 2805[21:38:17] <awal1> looked at it's descrition (aptitude show) but the description is vague
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• 2807[21:38:41] <unborn> teraflops: same here
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• 2811[21:39:41] <unborn> quantomworks: change it for each.. remember to restart vlc
• 2812[21:40:12] <unborn> each time I guess
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• 2817[21:44:34] <unborn> quantomworks: I use this one replaced-url
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• 2826[21:48:08] <unborn> replaced-url
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• 2829[21:50:17] <quantomworks> but it takes so long to load a youtube page on this thing
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• 2831[21:51:00] <quantomworks> well
• 2832[21:51:00] <quantomworks> something that actually works wouldnt hurt either...
• 2833[21:51:00] <quantomworks> thanks
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• 2839[21:54:55] <dannysantos> debian 8 uses pulseaudio or alsamixer? I want to be able to set a volume through a command. I want tot know which one to search for
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• 2841[21:55:19] <missmbob> pulseaudio is default
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• 2843[21:55:34] <hexnewbie> dannysantos: It has pulseaudio by default, can be disabled, and alsamixer works regardless
• 2844[21:55:35] <greycat> Depends on what you've installed. If you install a basic system, then it's just alsa. If you install some fancy desktop environment then it's pulseaudio maybe.
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• 2849[21:56:19] <dannysantos> so either pulseaudio or alsamixer works?
• 2850[21:56:23] <teraflops> dannysantos: you meant pulseadio or alsa right?
• 2851[21:56:35] <teraflops> because pulseaudio or alsamixer has no sense
• 2852[21:56:37] <dannysantos> yes
• 2853[21:56:40] <dannysantos> alsa
• 2854[21:56:42] <dannysantos> sorry
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• 2856[21:57:01] <teraflops> dannysantos: then as greycat says
• 2857[21:57:21] <dannysantos> ok
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• 2859[21:57:42] <jhutchins> AFIK pulseaudio runs on top of alsa, doesn't work without it.
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• 2861[21:58:04] <dannysantos> I have gnome 3 and trinity desktop enviorments, so it must be pulseaudio
• 2862[21:58:14] <teraflops> jhutchins: right, if you install pulseadio you get alsa too
• 2863[21:58:29] <teraflops> dannysantos: you definitely have pulseadio then
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• 2865[21:58:49] <dannysantos> jhutchins: didn't know that. So if I want to set a volume through a comand its better to search for alsa?
• 2866[21:58:58] <hexnewbie> dannysantos: ALSA and PA are usually well intertwined, so your volume commands will work. In particular, PA adds a control (volume) and sink to ALSA that stream back to PA, so ALSA tools/apps continue to work.
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• 2868[21:59:19] <jhutchins> dannysantos: No, if you're running pulseaudio you should use the controls for that.
• 2869[21:59:28] <teraflops> dannysantos: nope, you better get a pulseadio mixer, gnome have one, you can use pavucontrol too
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• 2871[21:59:56] <dannysantos> ok
• 2872[22:00:02] <teraflops> I think pavucontrol has more features
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• 2875[22:00:14] <dannysantos> and alsactl restore? is that ok to use?
• 2876[22:00:52] <jhutchins> One of the features that most users might notice is that PA can set different volumes for different apps which can access sound simultaneously. You can have soft background music and still hear a call.
• 2877[22:01:28] <teraflops> dannysantos: there are systemd unit files for that
• 2878[22:01:49] <jhutchins> Then there's some sort of silly business that allows you to forward the sound from one system to another system, which is handy for forwarding music to your stereo or tv.
• 2879[22:01:51] <dannysantos> alsactl store/restore to save the volume and restore it before changing it. Is that ok to use in a script in debian 8?
• 2880[22:01:59] <hexnewbie> dannysantos: PA restores/remembers volumes for you
• 2881[22:02:15] <teraflops> dannysantos: alsa-{restore,state,store}.service
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• 2883[22:03:08] <dannysantos> hexnewbie: how do i restore remember volume through pulseaudio?
• 2884[22:03:19] <hexnewbie> dannysantos: It does it for you
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• 2886[22:03:33] <teraflops> dannysantos: it does automagically *most of the time* ^
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• 2889[22:04:27] <dannysantos> hexnewbie: so I want to remember a volume, set it to 70% then restore its volume. Do you know how i can do that in a script, which commands should i use?
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• 2893[22:05:39] <greycat> At some point you have to just try it yourself and find out.
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• 2895[22:05:45] <teraflops> dannysantos: have you checked it using pulseadio? aka try it and see? because it works.
• 2896[22:05:56] <teraflops> I'm getting slow
• 2897[22:06:12] <dannysantos> teraflops: what do you mean automagically? if I set volume to 70% through a command wont it stay that way?
• 2898[22:07:48] <teraflops> dannysantos: you mean the master volume? pulseadio does sink-inputs too (per application) and last time I tried they did too
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• 2900[22:08:48] <dannysantos> yes, the master volume
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• 2902[22:09:24] <teraflops> dannysantos: then, yes
• 2903[22:10:07] <frikinz> Anyone knows if automated abuse reporting (like for spam, ssh,..) is common? If yes, what do you use?
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• 2905[22:11:05] <jhutchins> frikinz: You mean you want to report it when somebody's brute-forcing your sshd?
• 2906[22:11:21] <frikinz> jhutchins: yes
• 2907[22:11:33] <jhutchins> frikinz: /dev/null
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• 2909[22:11:45] <frikinz> I suspect also :)
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• 2912[22:12:34] <jhutchins> frikinz: The only people you could conceivably report it to would be an ISP who would be willing to block the offending IP - which will promptly move on to the next one in the chain - or to a sysadmin for your system who would configure it to avoid DOS.
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• 2914[22:12:58] <jhutchins> frikinz: Nobody at the origin or anywhere you're not paying someone will care.
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• 2916[22:13:37] <dannysantos> if I use "amixer -D pulse" i'm using pulse audio?
• 2917[22:13:52] <frikinz> jhutchins: there are some IP that hit my server and I suspect the admin would do something about it for their reputation.
• 2918[22:14:02] <jhutchins> frikinz: There is no good reason to run sshd on the standard port; spam filtering is up to the admin of the mail system.
• 2919[22:14:36] <teraflops> o never faced an isp that gives a shit about what you ask frikinz. appart from sending you an automatic response email to your email request
• 2920[22:14:42] <jhutchins> frikinz: Probably not.
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• 2923[22:15:14] <frikinz> jhutchins: I'm happy with ssh on its default port. I need it. I'm the admin.
• 2924[22:15:21] <missmbob> frikinz: it's up to you to configure things properly. non-default port, iptables (maybe with help from fail2ban), etc
• 2925[22:15:34] <frikinz> missmbob: it's perfectly configured thank you
• 2926[22:15:54] <hexnewbie> jhutchins: There's a good reason for running SSH on the default port - preventing non-root users from binding to your SSH port :)
• 2927[22:16:04] <jhutchins> frikinz: The only reason to run it on 22 would be if there was a webfilter or firewall where you connect from that blocked other ports, in which case you just run it on something like 443.
• 2928[22:16:24] <frikinz> I have no reason to run it on another port than 22. So I don't do it
• 2929[22:16:34] <jhutchins> hexnewbie: You have malicious users within your own system?
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• 2931[22:16:39] <missmbob> it'd fix your "probablem", but whatever
• 2932[22:16:50] <missmbob> problem*
• 2933[22:16:56] <frikinz> missmbob: no that wouldn't
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• 2935[22:17:55] <hexnewbie> jhutchins: On my system, no, but I have managed played with systems with thousands of users where the answer was "probably".
• 2936[22:18:13] <teraflops> frikinz: also you have no reason to comply since nobody cares about your servers being ester by bonnets appart from you obv
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• 2939[22:18:30] * unborn never need it to change ssh port..what is the point if you use ssh keys without system passwords?
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• 2941[22:19:22] <unborn> fail2ban or nohosts or something similar and just forget about it
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• 2943[22:19:30] <teraflops> sorry for the typos i 'm on the phone
• 2944[22:19:59] <missmbob> unborn: no no, everyone is configurated perfectly. he doesn't need it (as i mentioned earlier)
• 2945[22:20:07] <hexnewbie> unborn: It *does* reduce the risk of compromise if a OpenSSH zero-day happens. Has happened to the Debian package in the past.
• 2946[22:20:50] <unborn> missmbob: im just asking what is the point
• 2947[22:21:16] <jhutchins> unborn: We had a system that was adequately secured, but ran on a standard port. It was so busy denying bad logins that it became unreachable/unusable.
• 2948[22:21:18] <unborn> hexnewbie: you mean it happened everywhere
• 2949[22:21:22] <teraflops> yeah let's change the default port for everything. ssh on 443 Web server on 22 ...
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• 2952[22:21:50] <calherAtomic> replaced-url
• 2953[22:21:55] <unborn> jhutchins: uh that is bad - yeah that is good reason i suppose
• 2954[22:22:02] <hexnewbie> unborn: I mean Debian.
• 2955[22:22:02] <frikinz> teraflops: I'm sure there are some admins that read these abuse emails. But I suspect not a lot for sure
• 2956[22:22:03] <calherAtomic> Oops
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• 2958[22:22:15] <unborn> hexnewbie: im martanian
• 2959[22:22:21] <jhutchins> teraflops: Unlike HTTPS, a user needs a username and a key or password to connect to ssh. Whatever mechanism supplies those can also supply the port.
• 2960[22:22:32] <teraflops> frikinz: nah I think that nobody cares
• 2961[22:22:56] <missmbob> frikinz: i've worked at an ISP. no one cared.
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• 2963[22:23:00] <jhutchins> unborn: There were reasons we needed to keep it at 22, but we firewalled the problem ranges.
• 2964[22:23:03] <unborn> hexnewbie: that package was on every single distro out there... not only on debian. of course Im on debian too
• 2965[22:23:22] <teraflops> jhutchins: I was joking. and I can understand people running ssh or whatever in not standard ports
• 2966[22:23:40] <frikinz> teraflops: lol. I'd have to try to know. As said, among thousands, I think a dozen would/should read. These reports are also public.
• 2967[22:23:40] <hexnewbie> unborn: Only Debian, and perhaps Ubuntu, was affected by the Debian SSH vulnerability. But that's beyond the point, so it doesn't matter
• 2968[22:24:42] <teraflops> frikinz: I'll save you time. I used to do such things 10 years ago...
• 2969[22:24:50] <unborn> hexnewbie: it was bug in that package, no matter what distro you been on. source was only one. but I agree its not what we want discuss.
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• 2971[22:24:58] <jhutchins> hexnewbie: I thought there was one that was GNU-wide, but you might be thinking of something else.
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• 2974[22:26:17] <unborn> jhutchins: I understand.. well if that will be happening to me, I guess I shut 22 down on hardware firewall and use vpn to get there outside of my lan
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• 2978[22:27:52] <Iridos> jhutchins, its vat... how the heck do I decide if to use partclone.fat32 or partclone.exfat or partclone.vfat
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• 2980[22:27:57] <teraflops> doing vpn and not exposing ssh outside is a good idea too. depending on your needs
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• 2988[22:29:30] <unborn> teraflops: its possibly overkill but from past I learned my lesson ;)
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• 2997[22:36:15] <jhutchins> Iridos: I don't really know the distinctions. I _think_ vfat will work with all three.
• 2998[22:36:27] <Iridos> that's the one I picked
• 2999[22:36:55] <jhutchins> Iridos: I'd have to go dig up documentation on them - I don't do much cross-system any more.
• 3000[22:36:56] <Iridos> you sure you didn't mean partimage?
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• 3003[22:37:15] <jhutchins> Iridos: I was thinking partclone, but I know the tools are there.
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• 3007[22:38:54] <teraflops> !souchiro is <reply>replaced-url
• 3008[22:38:55] <dpkg> teraflops: okay
• 3009[22:39:04] <teraflops> ooooops
• 3010[22:39:09] <teraflops> not here
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• 3013[22:40:16] * teraflops is embarrassed
• 3014[22:40:32] <Iridos> jhutchins, it seems a bit ... unfinished on the interface side
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• 3016[22:40:58] <greycat> teraflops: is there any reason to keep this factoid?
• 3017[22:41:23] <teraflops> greycat: nope. I did it in the wrong buffer
• 3018[22:41:38] <greycat> !forget souchiro
• 3019[22:41:38] <dpkg> greycat: i forgot souchiro
• 3020[22:41:43] <Iridos> point is... you should delete it. if someone from us does it, it's one mark towards dpkg's shit-list
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• 3022[22:41:51] <teraflops> I was about to msg dpkg for getting the key to delete it
• 3023[22:41:57] <greycat> key?
• 3024[22:42:12] <teraflops> greycat: thanks and sorry
• 3025[22:42:48] <jhutchins> Iridos: It's easier if you read Chinese.
• 3026[22:42:52] <Iridos> greycat, you can delete 3 or 4 more, then dpkg doesn't like you anymore?
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• 3034[22:51:02] <teraflops> greycat: I meant the command for deleting the factoid. feel free to asking me for using my 4 forget tentatives
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• 3038[22:53:15] <f-a> hello, I have aqemu/kvm installed. is there a debian i386 image I can download and slap in it?
• 3039[22:53:29] <f-a> I mean, not the installer, a readymade image
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• 3045[22:56:31] <`Kevin> f-a: i wouldn't know but i would suggest just using debootstrap
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• 3047[22:56:55] <teraflops> f-a: no idea but the qemu adventure.calendar was funny
• 3048[22:57:39] <teraflops> replaced-url
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• 3056[22:59:11] <tpanarch1st> hello, how do i check if there is any kind of firewall installed please on a debian install
• 3057[22:59:11] <greycat> Advent is not short for "Adventure" in this context.
• 3058[22:59:21] <johnkeates> it always is
• 3059[22:59:36] <johnkeates> only imaginary-friend-cult people think there's a 2nd advent
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• 3061[23:00:04] <f-a> quite amazing, teraflops
• 3062[23:00:06] <`Kevin> teraflops: thats great :P
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• 3064[23:00:10] <missmbob> tpanarch1st: there ins't one installed by default. so unless you did something you're not using a firewall
• 3065[23:00:19] <f-a> thanks `Kevin , I'll look into it
• 3066[23:00:21] <tpanarch1st> yeah i just can't quite remember
• 3067[23:01:25] <teraflops> tpanarch1st: you have a kernel so you have firewall. you meant a firewall interface of some sort?
• 3068[23:01:38] <tpanarch1st> hmmm actually it looks like im running fail2ban
• 3069[23:01:44] <tpanarch1st> it was so long ago i set this up!
• 3070[23:01:51] <tpanarch1st> God knows how to temporarily disable it
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• 3084[23:06:03] <jhutchins> tpanarch1st: I'm sure he does, God has always run *nix.
• 3085[23:06:13] <sqwishy> Sometimes the installer fails to download a package because it gets a connection reset from http.debian.net. Then the install is interrupted and then all of the preseed configuration is thrown out the window. So when you retry that step the installed system is completely not what the user wants. Is http.debian having a bad time? Why is my preseed being ignored?
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• 3090[23:08:04] <jhutchins> tpanarch1st: service fail2ban stop?
• 3091[23:08:33] <jhutchins> tpanarch1st: iirc fail2ban uses iptables, so iptables -L might be useful.
• 3092[23:08:44] <tpanarch1st> jhutchins: apparently it's fail2ban-client stop
• 3093[23:08:49] <tpanarch1st> :)
• 3094[23:09:05] <tpanarch1st> but in any event it failed to contact server and questioned is the server running
• 3095[23:09:07] <tpanarch1st> so there we go
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• 3099[23:10:38] <jhutchins> tpanarch1st: Still might check iptables to see if there are any old rules there. Not sure what your actual goal is.
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• 3103[23:11:42] <jhutchins> WRT our earlier, the problem with iptables/fail2ban is that every attempt still reaches the system and consumes resources, even if it's rejected.
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• 3105[23:12:32] <rue> I'm trying to get syslog to accept remote connections, I'v added the -r flag and restarted it, its taken the flag, [ 12071 0.0 0.1 1924 744 ? Ss 13:02 0:00 /sbin/syslogd -r ] but I cant telnet to port 514
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• 3108[23:13:22] <tpanarch1st> jhutchins: made a silly mistake and specified the wrong ip haha
• 3109[23:13:25] <jhutchins> rue: syslog or rsyslog?
• 3110[23:14:09] <rue> syslogd
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• 3114[23:16:10] <`Kevin> rue: re telnet, ... 514 is likely udp not tcp
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• 3120[23:18:02] <`Kevin> rue: echo "<14>$(hostname) test message" | nc -v -u -w 0 host 514
• 3121[23:18:06] <`Kevin> something along those lines
• 3122[23:18:34] <jazzysnazzyjazz> is there a way to purge and redo my menus for light and mate? ive formatted ubuntu and debian back and forth and like to reset them.
• 3123[23:18:48] <rue> ok, 1 min
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• 3125[23:19:42] <rue> strange, dosn't like a wait time of 0
• 3126[23:20:41] <`Kevin> could be version specific try 1 or 2, its udp so it should just throw it onto 514 and exit
• 3127[23:21:22] <rue> errors, but it worked
• 3128[23:21:25] <rue> ok, thanks
• 3129[23:21:44] <rue> what is the best type of bat to hit an IP phone with?
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• 3131[23:22:38] <jazzysnazzyjazz> lol
• 3132[23:22:58] <rue> RITA?
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• 3135[23:25:39] <rue> it indicates the hardware is misconfigured, fubar, or broken as designed.
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• 3138[23:26:36] <jazzysnazzyjazz> these days that describes linux...
• 3139[23:27:02] <rue> does that mean it might have connected to the asterisk server somehow?
• 3140[23:28:31] <teraflops> rue: mind describing your issue in an understandable way
• 3141[23:29:13] <rue> I have a panasonic sip phone that ignores all settings applied to it and issues a message that the settings given to it aren't there
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• 3143[23:29:26] <teraflops> rue: if you have asterisk issue look at asterisks logs ^
• 3144[23:29:45] <jhutchins> rue: Are you running asterisk on Debian?
• 3145[23:30:15] <rue> the phone does not register with the asterisk service, nomatter what is put in the config.
• 3146[23:30:18] <rue> yes I am
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• 3148[23:32:07] <jhutchins> rue: Not knowing much about asterisk, I would guess that it might not be getting the right dhcp info.
• 3149[23:32:18] <jhutchins> !asterisk
• 3150[23:32:18] <dpkg> Asterisk is an open source, cross-platform telephone Private Branch Exchange (PBX). It can be used with VoIP and PSTN services. replaced-url
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• 3153[23:32:33] <rue> oh, all the ips are hard coded
• 3154[23:32:48] <jhutchins> rue: You'll probably get better help from one of those resources.
• 3155[23:32:59] <rue> its refusing to connect with the log service or register its sip
• 3156[23:33:30] <rue> it also ignores all settings made thru its web interface
• 3157[23:33:35] <teraflops> rue: so tail -f /var/log/asterisk/full
• 3158[23:33:35] <jhutchins> rue: I'm pretty accustomed to cheap IP devices not saving their settings correctly.
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• 3160[23:33:48] <rue> this isn't cheap
• 3161[23:33:55] <teraflops> rue: look at attempts to register I suppose
• 3162[23:34:03] <rue> its a panasonic KX-UT136
• 3163[23:34:05] <jhutchins> rue: I mean quality, not price.
• 3164[23:34:12] <rue> mmm
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• 3166[23:34:59] <jhutchins> rue: Direct from Panasonic or where?
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• 3168[23:35:13] <rue> yup
• 3169[23:35:22] <rue> we do panasonic phone systems
• 3170[23:35:28] <rue> but we use a voip system
• 3171[23:35:28] <jhutchins> rue: Do you have another one that works?
• 3172[23:35:52] <rue> I'v got two, I cant get either of them to register the sip
• 3173[23:36:08] <teraflops> rue: take a look at the fine logs ^
• 3174[23:36:23] <rue> I just dialed verbose and debug up to 9
• 3175[23:36:34] <jhutchins> rue: Has _anything_ registered with the server?
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• 3177[23:36:57] <rue> yea, I have 5 other phones of different models behaving great :)
• 3178[23:37:19] <jhutchins> rue: In that case, I'd contact Panasonic support, the server sounds like it's working fine.
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• 3186[23:38:20] <sqwishy> Any clues on having the installer not disregard a preseed if it fails because it can't fetch a package temporarily?
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• 3190[23:39:22] <awal1> jazzysnazzyjazz, reset mate menu and lightdm you meant?
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• 3196[23:45:35] <awal1> Why route needs root and netstat no? (finding gateway)
• 3197[23:45:58] <johnkeates> because route isn't for reading, it's for writing
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• 3199[23:46:20] <awal1> ok, ok. got it
• 3200[23:46:53] <teraflops> awal1: also netstat shows more things if you launch it as root
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• 3202[23:48:22] <awal1> teraflops, good to know :)
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• 3211[23:56:34] <Iridos> jhutchins, dunno... I have problems with the partclone stuff... it refuses to do anything without the "-c" option, but I can give "-W -c" ... but the outcome is not obvious to mount
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• 3214[23:57:03] <Iridos> and documentation is somewhat non-existent, despite all the man-pages
• 3215[23:57:15] <fa> Hello
• 3216[23:57:51] <Iridos> and -W seems to disable any space-saving stuff anyway to retain mountability :-/
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