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52 [00:16:20] <awal1> ,v ifupdown
53 [00:16:21] <judd> Package: ifupdown on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.7.8; jessie: 0.7.53.1; jessie-backports: 0.8.13~bpo8+1; stretch:
0.8.19; buster: 0.8.31; sid: 0.8.31
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93 [00:35:00] <domovoy_> how would i go to rebuild
debian-installer netboot so that it includes _and_ use a modified
partman-auto udeb? I incremented partman-auto udeb version with dch
(137+nmu1), built it, copy it in localudebs, added it to
pkg-lists/local, and then built netboot. But it still use the one
from the official repo (Unpacking partman-auto (137))
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95 [00:36:58] <awal1> why redirect is not working if I do
"airodump-ng -c my-channel --bssid my-bssid -w psk my-interface
> /dev/null 2>&1" ?
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97 [00:37:42] <akk> How do I get past "Gave up waiting for
suspend/resume device" on boot? I've put the right UUID,
or the right device path, in etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume and
run update-initramfs -u.
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101 [00:40:15] <akk> Even removing
/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume doesn't help.
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119 [00:53:46] <X|H> Hello o7! anyone in here have any experience
running debian natively on late 2011 MBP 15? I have been trying to
follow multiple guides and just fumbling around for days now. Any
advice or links would be greatly appreciated. I'm able to boot
and run the installer but not boot into the new system. It hangs and
shows "/dev/sda2: clean, xxxxxxx/xxxxxxxx files, xxxxx/xxxxxx
blocks.
120 [00:53:46] <X|H> Or if you know of a better channel to be
inquiring in please share. Thanks in advance! :)
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139 [01:05:41] <Thedarkb-X40> Right, I'm just going to patch
my BIOS and buy an Atheros card rather than faffing around with this
intel pos
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146 [01:08:49] <Thedarkb-X40> Someone made a nice patching tool
that runs under FreeDOS
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158 [01:21:51] <akk> I'm wishing for an intel wi-fi card
around now, not having any success getting stretch seeing the
broadcom one.
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175 [01:29:25] <Thedarkb-X40> akk, I'm having terrible
trouble with one.
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203 [01:49:45] <domovoy_> building debian-installer: Downloaded
partman-auto source, incremented its version using dch (137+nmu1),
built it, copy it in localudebs, added it to pkg-lists/local, and
then 'make rebuild_netboot USE_UDEBS_FROM=stretch'. But it
still use the one from the official repo (Unpacking partman-auto
(137)), why?
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279 [02:40:44] <trumee> I want to update an updated kernel from
jessie-backports. The virtio driver in the default kernel seems to
be acting up. However, the system does not have an internet
connections. Is it possible to download the kernel and update it
manually?
280 [02:41:04] <trumee> What file do i need to update the kernel?
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283 [02:42:04] <trumee> Can i install the kernel straightway or
do i need any additional files?
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303 [02:58:43] <pawpaw> Hi
304 [02:58:56] <pawpaw> any one can help me?
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461 [04:25:16] <karlpinc> !ask
462 [04:25:17] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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471 [04:30:07] <karlpinc> trumee: The package should install if
it needs other files.
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479 [04:34:42] <karlpinc> trumee: Normally you'd go to
packages.debian.org and find the package to see its dependencies.
But I can't find yours. I see, e.g.:
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508 [04:57:12] <trumee> karlpinc, thats a stretch-backport, i was
looking for jessie backport
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521 [05:12:30] <karlpinc> trumee: Ah. That explains it. You have
internet to be able to look yourself?
522 [05:13:19] <karlpinc> trumee: Er. I should have written above
"the package will _not_ install if it is missing dependent
packages." (!)
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563 [05:59:51] <agio> hi all. does anyone know the command
service responsible for starting the sound server?
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582 [06:21:39] <emu_rider> Does `pulseaudio --start` work?
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606 [06:51:03] <coolchris> Hello i am installing debianedu how
long should it take for building thin client system?
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612 [06:55:01] <alkisg> coolchris: how fast is your network? e.g.
10 mbps?
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615 [06:55:46] <coolchris> Im installing from usb
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618 [06:57:21] <GJdan> how do you control the IP exim4 uses to
send mail?
619 [06:57:42] <alkisg> coolchris: I'm not sure if debianedu
uses the usb/cd sources to build the thin client chroot, or if it
downloads the packages over the internet. But in any case,
downloading the packages is what takes up the most time of
ltsp-build-client, so if the downloading part is finished, the rest
won't take long.
620 [06:58:17] <alkisg> Nowadays we're using the server / as
the template (ltsp-pnp), so ltsp-build-client isn't really used
much...
621 [06:58:30] <coolchris> I got the full build that installs
from usb
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624 [06:59:19] <coolchris> Looks like the usb is blinking
I'll just wait
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626 [06:59:43] <alkisg> coolchris: you can pastebin your current
output if you want me to tell you more
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640 [07:01:06] <agio> emu_rider: I tried `pulseaudio
--start' and it didn't work. Im trying to find in the
documentation where the sound daemons default settings are
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644 [07:03:52] <emu_rider> Then I am not sure
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646 [07:04:05] <emu_rider> agio: maybe this will help?
replaced-url
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689 [07:50:11] <agio> emu_rider: thanks for link, I couldn't
really make sense of the instructions
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696 [07:58:36] <SemiControl> Does doing history -c completely
destroys history and its not recoverable ?
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702 [08:01:04] <agio> emu_rider: I found problem. its some glitch
with firefox 59 and pulseaudio, it seems. restarting firefox solved
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718 [08:08:28] <emu_rider> agio: Thats good.
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799 [09:01:07] <domovoy_> hi
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802 [09:02:17] <domovoy_> building debian-installer: Downloaded
partman-auto source, incremented its version using dch (137+nmu1),
built it, copy it in localudebs, added it to pkg-lists/local, and
then 'make rebuild_netboot USE_UDEBS_FROM=stretch'. But it
still use the one from the official repo (Unpacking partman-auto
(137)), why?
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916 [10:04:18] <darxmurf> what's the option to avoid
"info dialog" in apt-get ? I tried apt-get install -y -q
but I still have this popup telling me the info with an OK button
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923 [10:06:55] <jelly> darxmurf: what info precisely?
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933 [10:10:10] <domovoy> Trying to build debian-installer with a
customized partman-auto, when i run this script:
replaced-url
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937 [10:11:06] <darxmurf> installing the nvidia-driver from
backports, I have this blue "windows" telling me the
actual loaded module is not the good one and I should reboot to fix
that. And the "ok" button
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940 [10:14:17] <darxmurf> jelly: well, when installed using
parallel-ssh it does not display anything, so, it's okay ^^
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987 [10:40:21] <JustASlacker> hello peoples of debian!
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989 [10:40:29] <JustASlacker> Im missing libvo_aacenc
990 [10:40:47] <JustASlacker> anybody got an idea how to get that
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994 [10:41:18] <Haohmaru> did you check in le package manager?
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1001 [10:42:38] <kallenp1> howto undelete data from ext4 on sdd ?
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1003 [10:42:59] <petn-randall> kallenp1: Restore from your
backups.
1004 [10:43:00] <kallenp1> sdd1 is mounted to /mnt/hdd2
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1006 [10:43:08] <kallenp1> backups not exists
1007 [10:43:29] <petn-randall> kallenp1: Then your chances grow
really slim to recover data. What files did you delete?
1008 [10:43:31] <Haohmaru> buy a delorean, find the professor,
???, profit
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1010 [10:43:59] <JustASlacker> well, I have libvo-aacenc-dev and
libvo-aacenc0 installed
1011 [10:44:07] <kallenp1> all root files
1012 [10:44:11] <JustASlacker> yet avencode does not like that
1013 [10:44:14] <kallenp1> it was LXC container
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1015 [10:45:02] <petn-randall> kallenp1: Then the chance is zero.
Take some time out of your schedule and make preparations for
regular backups.
1016 [10:45:36] <petn-randall> So at least that doesn't
happen again in the future.
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1018 [10:46:12] <JustASlacker> Unknown encoder
'libvo_aacenc'
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1021 [10:47:33] <petn-randall> JustASlacker: Can you give us the
full command + full output you're running? →
replaced-url
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1024 [10:48:36] <JustASlacker> Id be happy too
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1026 [10:48:40] <JustASlacker> let me clean it up a bit
1027 [10:48:47] <jelly> judd: file bin/avencode
1028 [10:48:51] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
1029 [10:49:35] <jelly> JustASlacker: also, where does your
avencode thing come from and is it similar to ffmpeg
1030 [10:49:49] <domovoy> Trying to build debian-installer with a
customized partman-auto, when i run this script:
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1032 [10:50:18] <jelly> domovoy: maybe ask in #debian-boot on
irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org)
1033 [10:50:33] <domovoy> jelly> thanks
1034 [10:50:40] <JustASlacker> petn-randall, jelly
replaced-url
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1040 [10:53:09] <petn-randall> JustASlacker: Well, you're
asking for that encoder in your command line. It doesn't exist.
1041 [10:53:21] <JustASlacker> yeah, but how to get it
1042 [10:53:44] <JustASlacker> jelly: good question. dont see how
its installed for now
1043 [10:54:33] <petn-randall> JustASlacker: What makes you think
it should exist?
1044 [10:55:11] <jelly> you seem to be actually calling avconv
1045 [10:55:38] <jelly> and... avconv is calling ffmpeg? weird
1046 [10:56:19] <JustASlacker> its part of libav-tools
1047 [10:56:20] <JustASlacker> libav-tools: /usr/bin/avconv
1048 [10:56:33] <JustASlacker> petn-randall: this is a migration
to a new system
1049 [10:56:42] <JustASlacker> it worked like this on the old
system
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1054 [10:57:48] <petn-randall> JustASlacker: You'd have to
look in the changelog and also in the upstream docs why it was
removed, and what the replacement is.
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1058 [10:58:32] <petn-randall> JustASlacker: What does
'apt-cache policy libav-tools' return? Also, are you
currently upgrading the OS?
1059 [10:59:34] <JustASlacker> libav-tools:
1060 [10:59:34] <JustASlacker> Installed: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1
1061 [10:59:35] <JustASlacker> Candidate: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1
1062 [10:59:48] <JustASlacker> No, this is a fresh debian 9
1063 [10:59:53] <JustASlacker> the old system was something weird
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1065 [11:00:09] <JustASlacker> Gentoo 2.2 :)
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1070 [11:00:58] <JustASlacker>
askubuntu.com/questions/483187/winff-ffmpeg-unknown-encoder-libvo-aacenc
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1080 [11:07:04] <petn-randall> ,v libav-tools
1081 [11:07:05] <judd> Package: libav-tools on amd64 -- wheezy:
6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.21-0+deb7u1; wheezy-backports:
6:10.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 6:11.11-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates:
6:11.12-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 6:11.12-1~deb8u1;
jessie-backports: 7:3.2.5-1~bpo8+1; jessie-backports:
7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1; experimental:
1082 [11:07:06] <judd> 7:3.5~git20180113-1; wheezy-multimedia:
8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.9-dmo1
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1085 [11:09:13] <JustASlacker> yeah, its the current version
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1088 [11:12:01] <JustASlacker> The native FFmpeg AAC encoder has
been stable since FFmpeg 3.0. If you were using libvo-aacenc or
libaacplus, both of which have been dropped in FFmpeg 3.0, please
consider switching to the native encoder (-c:a aac) So swap the -c:a
libvo_aacenc out for -c:a aac
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1094 [11:15:27] <luxpir> got an up to date system, but updating
wine requires systemd > 233-4 and I have 232-*
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1096 [11:15:44] <luxpir> I could use backports for systemd 237-*
but that makes me nervous
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1098 [11:17:27] <luxpir> anyone used 237-* yet, from backports?
1099 [11:17:55] <luxpir> just looking here for more info
replaced-url
1100 [11:18:15] <petn-randall> ,v systemd
1101 [11:18:16] <judd> Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy:
44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u5; wheezy-backports:
204-14~bpo70+1; jessie: 215-17+deb8u7; jessie-backports:
230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25+deb9u2; stretch-proposed-updates:
232-25+deb9u3; stretch-updates: 232-25+deb9u3; stretch-backports:
237-3~bpo9+1; buster: 238-4; sid: 238-4
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1104 [11:19:11] <emu_rider> I think updating to the backported
version *should* be fine, since they were tested to be compatible
with stable
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1108 [11:19:31] <luxpir> emu_rider: thx for that. it's the
*should* I'm worried about :)
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1110 [11:19:48] <luxpir> I'm still rusty on testing vs stable
1111 [11:19:55] <luxpir> (just reading again now)
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1116 [11:21:00] <luxpir> ok so 'testing' is generally
considered 'safe'
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1123 [11:21:34] <luxpir> last question then: say I update to
systemd 237-* from backports, then change sources to testing, what
happens to systemd?
1124 [11:21:44] <luxpir> (when I next update)
1125 [11:22:13] <babilen> luxpir: I don't consider testing to
be 'safe', you have to ensure to pull security updates
from unstable as they become available.
1126 [11:22:27] <babilen> (and as you see fit)
1127 [11:22:30] <luxpir> babilen: oh, never heard that POV
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1130 [11:23:01] <luxpir> so if I stay on stable and grab sysd
237-* from backports, when that version gets to stable, what then?
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1132 [11:23:27] <babilen> luxpir: I wouldn't run testing
without unstable in the sources.list (and setting default release to
testing), but you *will* have to pay attention to security updates
and ensure that you get them in a timely fashion
1133 [11:24:06] <babilen> If you install backports and upgrade to
the next stable release, you get the (sometimes same) version of the
package in that stable release
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1136 [11:24:38] <luxpir> it'll just overwrite the backports
with the stable, when it moves to stable?
1137 [11:24:46] <emu_rider> Well...You *could* update it and see
if any is working as intended, if not, then try do roll back to the
stable version.
1138 [11:24:47] <luxpir> sometimes different, sometimes not?
1139 [11:24:47] <babilen> It's simply a difference in the
versioning scheme used for backports packages (to ensure they are
sorted lower than the original version) and necessary adaptations to
make them work on older releases
1140 [11:25:04] <emu_rider> But dont quote me on that, I'm on
Unstable so I won't know
1141 [11:25:08] <luxpir> emu_rider: b/c it's systemd I think
it's making me nervous to 'test it'
1142 [11:25:14] <emu_rider> how those actually work
1143 [11:25:37] <babilen> Downgrades are not supported generally
speaking
1144 [11:26:09] <emu_rider> Is your current version of wine
working? if so, then probably just stick to the current one
1145 [11:26:12] <luxpir> thx babilen
1146 [11:26:15] <babilen> That's because maintainer scripts
might perform certain changes during the upgrade/installation of a
newer version, that wouldn't be reverted if you downgrade
1147 [11:26:40] <luxpir> The thing with Wine atm is that in my
trading software there are a few bugs, wanted to check if latest
Wine solves them.
1148 [11:27:00] <babilen> Backports are generally fine, but do
*not* receive the same level of security support as the
corresponding package in stable (and unstable)
1149 [11:27:01] <luxpir> Might be too risky atm though, given my
desire for stability. It's a "production" machine,
i.e. I work from it.
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1151 [11:27:28] <luxpir> babilen: interesting. and I kind of want
security in sysd :)
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1153 [11:28:12] <emu_rider> How do you feel about making a VM with
windows as guest?
1154 [11:28:28] <emu_rider> if the bug is really annoying and you
don't feel like upgrading
1155 [11:28:31] <luxpir> emu_rider: I have one. Good shout. I just
don't like leaving Windows running all the time :)
1156 [11:28:39] <babilen> luxpir: The security support *might* be
timely, but you still end up with the same wait as you do for
testing plus additional time for the "backport delay"
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1158 [11:29:20] <luxpir> ok babilen on balance I think I'll
look at emu_rider's suggestion over messing with backports for
something so critical
1159 [11:29:30] <emu_rider> I'd say go all the way to
Unstable...on a production machine... for the lols you know :P
1160 [11:29:52] <luxpir> emu_rider: gee thanks, you really have my
best interests at <3 :)
1161 [11:30:07] <babilen> luxpir: My personal opinion is: Tracking
testing (in a 'tum' setup, /msg dpkg tum) or unstable is
okay on a personal box if you know enough about Debian to be able to
address most issues and can ensure that you have a second backup box
to get online if the main one fails.
1162 [11:30:30] <babilen> luxpir: You also shouldn't upgrade
packages if you have to work shortly thereafter and can't spare
6/12/18 hours to address your issue
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1166 [11:31:22] <babilen> "production machine" typically
refers to boxes that offer services to other people and/or are
publically available on the internet
1167 [11:31:24] <luxpir> it's a work box, more than personal.
i.e. my livelihood depends on it. also appreciate the issue-solving
time period for after. learned that previously with virtualbox
updates. need to bear in mind.
1168 [11:31:51] <babilen> luxpir: I'd recommend to read
replaced-url
1169 [11:31:53] <luxpir> babilen: I know the typical use, but the
sense of 'someone's money relies on this machine'
still applies. that someone just happens to be me.
1170 [11:31:59] <luxpir> i.e. it's not a youtube and browsing
machine.
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1172 [11:32:32] <babilen> I totally understand where you are
coming from and the importance of that box. Same holds true for the
very machine I use right now (which is on unstable).
1173 [11:32:56] <babilen> The safe choice is running stable and
that's what I would recommend
1174 [11:33:03] <luxpir> I heard unstable is still orders of
magnitude more stable than ubuntu etc.
1175 [11:33:05] <Aebian> anyone guide me to a decent guide on how
to extend a hard disk? I have one attached (its a VMWare hard disk)
and I want extend it. However, every guide I found on google always
tells that you need to delete it first in order to be able to extend
it. Do you have a better way if there is any?
1176 [11:33:20] <babilen> But that doesn't mean that you
cannot administrate an unstable/testing box in such a way that you
can use it for work every day
1177 [11:33:24] <Aebian> its not the system ahrd disk btw
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1180 [11:33:29] <Aebian> *hard
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1182 [11:33:48] <luxpir> babilen: thanks for all that. will stand
aside and leave the floor for someone else. will keep looking into
testing, specifically, as time goes on.
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1184 [11:34:03] <babilen> luxpir: 'stable' in Debian
simply means 'not changing' and nothing else. Keep that in
mind when you think about 'stable' and
'unstable' in regards to Debian
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1187 [11:34:09] <emu_rider> babilen: I'm on unstable as well,
been using it for a couple of months, no problem so far. But if
there is anything that I need to fix, do you have any reasources
that you usually go to?
1188 [11:34:15] <babilen> It has little to do with
'working' or 'bug free'
1189 [11:34:18] <b00tcat> hi all, I'm on an amd64 laptop and
have a rootFS of an arm64 board - is it possible to chroot into it
somehow?
1190 [11:34:19] <bezaban> Aebian: underlying storage needs to be
expanded first, which is outside the scope of debian / operating
system. Then you expand the filesystem on the block device (lvm
first if you have that)
1191 [11:34:21] <luxpir> babilen: but you mentioned less frequent
security updates too.
1192 [11:34:45] <luxpir> "An important thing to note, both
for regular users and the developers of testing, is that security
updates for testing are not managed by the security team. For more
information please see the Security Team's FAQ."
1193 [11:34:50] <babilen> luxpir: Unstable typically has very
timely security support (as new versions are uploaded to it right
away)
1194 [11:35:07] <luxpir> so stable can be more secure than
testing, in a way?
1195 [11:35:16] <babilen> absolutely
1196 [11:35:49] <luxpir> hmmm, back to focusing on unstable then!
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1198 [11:36:00] <babilen> Well .. you get a team of quite
knowledgeable volunteers who spend their time on incorporating and
creating backports of security fixes into the package versions
present in stable
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1201 [11:36:25] <ViperXL75> hola
1202 [11:36:46] <ViperXL75> what's the proces name of the
file explorer for xfce gui?
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1206 [11:37:10] <ViperXL75> i usualy type "nautilus" in
the terminal server and voila. But Debian Cli just laughs at me if i
try it.
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1208 [11:37:29] <emu_rider> The default one for xfce is Thunar
1209 [11:37:38] <ViperXL75> ah
1210 [11:37:52] <babilen> luxpir: These things aren't easy to
answer as it always depend on the particular problem. Debian is
working *very* hard to provide timely and professional security
updates in stable, but sometimes it is just easier to upload a new
version with the patch to unstable, than porting the same patch to
the (comparatively ancient ?) version in stable
1211 [11:38:26] <luxpir> yes, I didn't think of it that way.
can see how it would be. it's reliant on package maintainers
not being evil, I take it?
1212 [11:39:20] <babilen> The problem with unstable is rather that
it is unclear how certain packages interact and that things that
worked well in the test setup the maintainer used to verify the new
version, has unforeseen effects on other people with more arcane
setups (let alone simple mistakes)
1213 [11:39:55] <babilen> luxpir: The assumption of "You can
trust the package maintainer" is universal in Debian and is
ensured by a *very very* rigorous screening procedure
1214 [11:39:56] <emu_rider> If you stick to the official repo and
install the popular packages (more people have tested them) then
you're probably going to befine
1215 [11:40:04] <babilen> Absolutely
1216 [11:40:41] <babilen> Sorry .. I'm just trying to add a
bit of perspective here. These things aren't easy to generalise
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1219 [11:41:23] <luxpir> babilen: no, I understand, it's a
nuanced issue. I can fit my own use case in there no trouble. My
priority is security/stability, so there we have it!
1220 [11:41:42] <babilen> Testing definitely has the worst
security support, but is easier to use as packages spent time in
unstable before they transition to testing which gives us a chance
to find bugs
1221 [11:41:52] <luxpir> I know new stuff is cool, but I can wait.
1222 [11:42:02] <babilen> Stable it is then
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1224 [11:42:42] <luxpir> babilen: hats off to you and the team,
however you are all organised!
1225 [11:43:23] <emu_rider> I wonder if there's anyone, who
is not a debian dev, runs Experimental on their machine
1226 [11:43:31] <babilen> Just saying: I've been using
unstable for many years now and there were a few *horrible* bugs
that cost me many hours to fix, but generally speaking it turned out
to be a very reliable environment (with the help of apt-listbugs,
being aware of things that go on, users reporting problems on IRC so
that I know to wait some time, ...)
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1230 [11:44:01] <ViperXL75> emu_rider: thanks man. It worked. :)
1231 [11:44:09] <babilen> emu_rider: You can't really run
experimental on your box as it is not a coherent or comprehensive
set of packages.
1232 [11:44:25] <emu_rider> Been on unstable for a few months, no
problem here so far
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1234 [11:44:42] <luxpir> babilen: yeah, what I hear there is
'you can invest with my pension fund, you may have catastrophic
losses, but in general it's safe' :) - no, I understand
that day to day use would be fine in general, but the additional
overhead is not what I need for the moment.
1235 [11:45:02] <babilen> Which is perfectly fine
1236 [11:45:04] <luxpir> emu_rider: well you don't know what
you don't know wrt bugs/exploits, so you wouldn't
necessarily know if it wasn't fine
1237 [11:45:20] <luxpir> same goes for stable though... just
statistically slightly more likely to be secure iiuc
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1239 [11:45:52] <emu_rider> Yea, fair point
1240 [11:45:53] <babilen> It should also be mentioned that a lot
more people use stable than either testing or unstable
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1243 [11:46:14] <luxpir> would be good to see numbers actually.
probably out there?
1244 [11:46:51] <babilen>
replaced-url
1245 [11:47:44] <luxpir> huh, cool
1246 [11:48:10] <luxpir> took till dec for stretch to overtake
jessie
1247 [11:48:18] <emu_rider> babilen: do you have any resources for
correctly managing an Unstable install? Just asking for future
reference
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1250 [11:49:00] <emu_rider> The Admin Handbook from the repo is
about stable, so not sure how much of it is relevant
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1253 [11:49:47] <babilen> emu_rider:
replaced-url
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1256 [11:51:12] <luxpir> so ~10% of users on testing/unstable as
rule of thumb (60+90k jess/stretch stable vs 13k testing/unstable)
1257 [11:51:26] <luxpir> feel better now I know the vast majority
prefer stable
1258 [11:51:43] <babilen> It's generally quite easy: 1. Do
not upgrade if you can't be arsed to do work on your box 2.
Follow IRC and Debian mailing lists and be aware of the current
situation 3. Do not be the first to upgrade, but let at least users
in Asia and Europe run into problems first 4. Install apt-listbugs
and configure it to show important bugs also 5. Ensure you have
proper backups and older .debs around
1259 [11:51:46] <luxpir> I like to be in the top 10-20% of certain
things, but quite a way off being there in this case.
1260 [11:51:52] <babilen> (and so on)
1261 [11:53:52] <luxpir> cool info babilen
1262 [11:53:54] <emu_rider> babilen: I have apt-listbugs and have
set it to show important bugs as well
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1264 [11:54:02] <luxpir> right, thanks for discussion folks. will
gbtw now. all the best!
1265 [11:54:25] <nls_> exit
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1267 [11:54:54] <emu_rider> Guess Im just lucky that I
haven't ran into any bugs yet
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1277 [11:57:31] <babilen> emu_rider: The most interesting times
are those in which massive changes are implemented (e.g. /run
migration, certain udev transitions, ...)
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1280 [11:58:50] <emu_rider> The freeze for new stable doesn't
really impact unstable right?
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1308 [12:11:18] <dracc> My var/log contains the files
"messages" and "syslog" and "user.log"
(among others). These three files are 6GiB each. This can't be
normal, right?
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1310 [12:11:55] <Aebian> bezaban: not sure if I got your point. So
the disk is mounted as /db | I can extand that disk freely via the
VMWare cloud interface. And then I should just use lvm to extend the
disk right?
1311 [12:12:41] <babilen> dpkg: tell emu_rider -about slushy
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1313 [12:13:14] <bezaban> Aebian: first underlying block device,
then lvm (if applicable), then file system
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1316 [12:15:05] <emu_rider> wow, TIL
1317 [12:15:18] <Aebian> ah gotcha. Yeah lvm is not needed on this
device. But yes block device needs to be extended first, thanks
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1338 [12:21:25] <bezaban> Aebian: good luck, and always get a
recent backup done when resizing block devices :)
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1341 [12:23:51] <Kelsar> is it odd versioning or is solr in
stretch really that old?
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1344 [12:25:37] <colo-work> it's probably really this old
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1347 [12:25:59] <dracc> How do I disable auto upgrades? I've
compiled and installed Mesa myself and aptitude keeps replacing it
with older (repo) versions even though I don't run aptitude
safe-upgrade.
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1350 [12:26:47] <ebrasca> How to check how many cpus I have in
debian?
1351 [12:26:56] <ebrasca> "CPUs"
1352 [12:27:00] <ebrasca> and not cores
1353 [12:27:40] <dracc> ebrasca, "lscpu | grep Sockets"
?
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1355 [12:27:48] <colo-work> you mean phys. sockets populated?
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1359 [12:28:17] <dracc> ebrasca Or you mean threads?
1360 [12:28:28] <dracc> ebrasca, in that case, "lscpu | grep
CPUs"
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1363 [12:28:46] <dracc> ebrasca, "lscpu | grep
'CPU(s)'" *
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1365 [12:29:05] <colo-work> if you want to make do with coreutils
on Linux, use grep "^physical id" /proc/cpuinfo | sort -u
| wc -l
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1367 [12:29:17] <ebrasca> I have 2 POWER9 but I am not sure if
debian detect both.
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1370 [12:29:29] <colo-work> just look at the data in /proc/cpuinfo
1371 [12:29:35] <dracc> +1
1372 [12:29:36] <colo-work> I'm not sure what it's
supposed to look like on POWER
1373 [12:29:39] <ebrasca> It say 32 ...
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1375 [12:29:49] <colo-work> that is # of threads, probably
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1380 [12:30:39] <nix64bit> what authorized_keys must i give to a
remote ssh serevr?
1381 [12:30:48] <nix64bit> my .pub key?
1382 [12:30:51] <ebrasca> here paste of lscpu
replaced-url
1383 [12:30:54] <dracc> nix64bit, that is correct.
1384 [12:31:01] <nix64bit> asking for a password as well?
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1386 [12:31:37] <dracc> nix64bit, Do you want it to both have your
key and password, or you want autologin provided user and said key?
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1388 [12:32:02] <dracc> ebrasca, It only detects one socket.
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1390 [12:32:12] <ebrasca> dracc: How you know?
1391 [12:32:19] <dracc> 8 SMT4 cores
1392 [12:32:20] <nix64bit> i only want the key
1393 [12:32:31] <dracc> ebrasca, Because it says "Socket(s):
1".
1394 [12:32:37] <nix64bit> not sure why it wants the password
1395 [12:33:01] <ebrasca> dracc: How I can fix it?
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1397 [12:33:20] <dracc> nix64bit, I see. Have you added the key
(on one line) to the ~/.ssh/autorized_keys file?
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1399 [12:33:52] <dracc> ebrasca, I'd start by checking if
BIOS detects both CPUs. If not, check that it's properly seated
in its socket.
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1401 [12:34:16] <nix64bit> i will give it another try
1402 [12:34:26] <dracc> nix64bit, GLHF! :)
1403 [12:34:38] <nix64bit> thx
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1406 [12:37:16] <nix64bit> Permission denied
(publickey,keyboard-interactive).
1407 [12:37:24] <dracc> Hmm..
1408 [12:37:28] <ebrasca> dracc: Do you mean check it in petibot?
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1410 [12:39:05] <dracc> ebrasca, To be totally honest, I've
never worked with the POWER architecture. I have no clue whatsoever
what petibot is and DDG refuses to tell me. :(
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1413 [12:40:09] <ebrasca> dracc: It is first think I can see in
talos II
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1415 [12:40:25] <ebrasca> dracc: You can chose boot options
1416 [12:42:04] <dracc> ebrasca, Oh, I see. Well, yeah, I guess I
mean talibot then. :)
1417 [12:43:22] <dracc> Oh, you meant "petitboot"?
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1420 [12:46:05] <ebrasca> dracc: Yes petitboot.
1421 [12:46:05] <dracc> ebrasca, As far as I can tell, petitbot
provides "System information", which is what I'd
suggest you start looking at to see if your CPU is detected at all
on a lower level. :)
1422 [12:46:12] <dracc> petitboot*
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1428 [12:47:54] <ebrasca> He detect only 32 cores.
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1441 [12:57:02] <darxmurf> hmm is there a way to fix this
"Too many levels of symbolic links" returned when I trie
to enter a NFS mount point mounted by autofs ?
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1444 [12:57:39] <darxmurf> it's weird, when I mount it by
hand using mount.nfs it's fine but not with autofs. Usually I
can fix that by rebooting the machine but before that if you have a
solution :-)
1445 [12:57:50] <dx_ob> darxmurf: are you building your own debian
iso?
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1447 [12:58:08] <darxmurf> nop
1448 [12:58:16] <dx_ob> then?
1449 [12:58:27] <darxmurf> calculations are running on it
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1451 [12:58:54] <darxmurf> I always try to fix things instead of
"did you try to reboot"
1452 [12:58:56] <dx_ob> what do you mean?
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1454 [12:59:32] <darxmurf> I mean I have a folder returning this
"too many levels..." error when I try to access it :-)
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1456 [12:59:39] <radice> hi
1457 [12:59:43] <dx_ob> hey radice
1458 [12:59:49] <darxmurf> this folder is a NFS mount managed by
autofs
1459 [12:59:57] <dx_ob> ok darxmurf thought you were building your
own iso
1460 [13:00:03] <darxmurf> and I don't understand why now it
returns this error and not this morning :-)
1461 [13:00:14] <dx_ob> cool
1462 [13:00:39] <darxmurf> dx_ob: nop
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1464 [13:01:38] <radice> I have a process that is eating the BW of
my server, how I can check which one?
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1475 [13:05:02] <radice> ok I used iftop to deduce the process
from the destination
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1477 [13:05:21] <dx_ob> good radice
1478 [13:05:34] <dx_ob> i know theres a netstat command but i dont
remember it
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1496 [13:12:16] <radice> dx_ob: it seems nethogs is the right
command
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1500 [13:13:46] <dx_ob> yeah googling helps ;)
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1517 [13:19:43] <__marco> With which group should I start a
daemon? no-group? The daemon is started with systemd, not that it
matters
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1597 [14:02:22] <reber> heyall does anyone know how to record the
video of a live session (youtube or something else) please ?
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1605 [14:04:59] <dracc> How do I stop wine output making it's
way through xfce.Filemanager into
/var/log/{messages,syslog,user.log} ?
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1630 [14:14:11] <emu_rider_> reber: Are you looking for a
screencast type of software?
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1632 [14:14:28] <hypercore> is it ok to use root user for
deployment?
1633 [14:14:38] <p0g0> reber: vlc
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1635 [14:15:11] <dracc> hypercore, It's best practice not to
and I guess there's a reason for that.
1636 [14:15:22] <hypercore> dracc: thanks
1637 [14:15:29] <peterandre> is it required for the debian 9.4 to
have a systemctl root account ? it is there when i look in
/etc/passwd
1638 [14:15:33] <p0g0> reber: for the youtube videos that vlc
supports, it can record them.
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1640 [14:16:21] <p0g0> reber: VNC can record GUI terminal
sessions, but I don't think that is what you want.
1641 [14:16:38] <reber> emu_rider_, i'd like something like
youtube-dl for live sessions. Does it work with live sessions ?
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1644 [14:17:07] <reber> p0g0, ok can i try vlc for recording live
youtube session ?
1645 [14:17:46] <p0g0> reber: not all youtube things will play in
VNC, ymmv.
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1647 [14:18:25] <p0g0> Simply paste the youtube URL into
VLC's "network stream" dialog and see.
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1649 [14:18:45] <abff> why not just use mpv?
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1653 [14:19:40] <p0g0> abff: because I am ignorant?
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1655 [14:20:27] <tuxmartin_> Hi, is possible to specify new file
location in corn daemon? Something like "/var/replaced-url
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1748 [14:24:13] <petn-randall> tuxmartin_: Sure, you can set any
extra options in /etc/default/cron.
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1860 [14:27:48] <peterandre> would this ->
systemctl:x:0:0::/root: be required for the system ?
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1865 [14:28:10] <tuxmartin_> petn-randall: in file
"/etc/default/cron" I have "This file has been
deprecated." info and link to "/etc/init/cron.conf" -
this file contains only definition of start/stop runlevels.
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1883 [14:28:49] <colo-work> /etc/init/? are you on Ubuntu?
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1895 [14:30:23] <petn-randall> tuxmartin_: What release are you
running?
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1897 [14:30:57] <tuxmartin_> colo-work: I have a lot of servers.
Ubuntu and Debian. At this moment I am on Ubutnu 16.04.
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1907 [14:34:43] <tuxmartin_> I got it! Is possible to add own cron
file using "crontab /tmp/crontest" :
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1910 [14:37:34] <colo-work> having symlinks in /etc/cron.d/ should
also work
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1932 [14:54:48] <phutchins> Hey all, anyone seen an issue when
installing debian (on an intel nuc) you get "Failed to copy
file from CD-ROM. Retry?"? I've googled and attempted to
unplug and replug the USB device, then tried manually mounting the
device at /cdrom to no avail. The Installer logs say "bad
sha256sum".
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1935 [14:55:05] <phutchins> Could this have been an issue burning
the thumb drive?
1936 [14:55:13] <tsglove> Well, I just installed a small debian VM
to test... and it's consuming 41MB of ram. NICE! I didn't
know this was so light-weight out of the box.
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1938 [14:55:45] <tsglove> phutchins, is it OS completely
installed? Or you're installing the updates?
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1941 [14:56:25] <phutchins> tsglove: nothing is currently
installed. I'm booting from USB and trying to do a fresh
network install.
1942 [14:57:09] <neomoon> hey I have the Sony MDR-1000X wireless
headphones, and I have the bug on Debian buster where it wont
connect in A2DP mode
1943 [14:57:17] <neomoon> as described here
replaced-url
1944 [14:57:25] <neomoon> do we have a fix for this yet ?
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1948 [14:59:19] <kazdax> how do i remove my user from the sudeors
file ?
1949 [14:59:24] <kazdax> i dont remember the location of the file
1950 [14:59:32] <kazdax> i could use find to find the file right ?
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1952 [14:59:47] <tsglove> kazdax, visudo and delete the appropiate
lines?
1953 [14:59:56] <kazdax> yes
1954 [14:59:59] <tsglove> phutchins, I'm lost on that man.
Sorry
1955 [15:00:00] <kazdax> thanks
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1957 [15:00:06] <tsglove> kazdax, sure think =)
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1959 [15:00:09] <tsglove> *thing
1960 [15:00:17] <phutchins> tsglove: no worries. :) I'm
attempting to dd the image to the thumb drive again without the USB
hub in the middle.
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1962 [15:00:26] <tsglove> phutchins, ahhh... yes
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1964 [15:00:31] <kazdax> it say visudo command not found
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1966 [15:00:33] <phutchins> I have a feeling there are issues with
getting enough power to all of the devices on the USB hub (yes, it
is powered...).
1967 [15:00:40] <kazdax> this current user i am using is a sudoer
1968 [15:00:54] <tsglove> I've had problems, yet with
"Rasbian", burning images to microSD cards using an
"adapter microSD to SD card"... no idea why, yet the
adapters always give me problems.
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1971 [15:01:15] <tsglove> kazdax, maybe do su to run as root
itself?
1972 [15:01:17] <tsglove> then visudo?
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1978 [15:02:08] <kazdax> got it thanks again :)
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1982 [15:02:13] <phutchins> tsglove: yeah, its definitely a
thing... Not sure how error correction wouldn't catch that tho.
1983 [15:02:22] <kazdax> simple thing like this i need to think
for a moment before asking
1984 [15:02:40] <phutchins> And yeah looks like that did the
trick :). Wrote the USB while directly plugged into a USB-C port and
it is getting past that spot on install now...
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1986 [15:02:56] <tsglove> phutchins, yup. I remember I tracked it
down specifically to the SD card adapters. And I tried multiple
ones... yet they all failed. Oh well.
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1988 [15:03:05] <tsglove> phutchins, nice!
1989 [15:03:23] <phutchins> tsglove: definitely a man in the
middle denial of service ;)
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1991 [15:04:01] <phutchins> While I'm here... Is there a full
install ISO out there? I looked around and couldn't find one
that was a single ISO (not broken up into cd's or
dvd's...)
1992 [15:04:32] <kazdax> phutchin nah all i have seen are seperate
DVDs
1993 [15:04:39] <kazdax> you can try netinsal
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1995 [15:04:40] <kazdax> instal
1996 [15:04:45] <kazdax> if you have the internet
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1998 [15:05:04] <phutchins> Thats what I've been using but
it's inconvenient a lot of times...
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2000 [15:05:08] <kazdax> yes
2001 [15:05:10] <kazdax> slow
2002 [15:05:12] <kazdax> i guess
2003 [15:05:24] <phutchins> Like right now I have to make a 30
foot ethernet cable :-\
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2005 [15:05:34] <kazdax> ahh :(
2006 [15:05:53] <kazdax> is there a way he could merge the 3 DVDs
and make his own USB bootable ?
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2008 [15:06:24] <phutchins> Thats waht I was wondering, if anyone
had already done that. Seems that someone wuold have had to...
2009 [15:06:37] <kazdax> have you tried torrents ?
2010 [15:06:43] <kazdax> they might have it there on the torrents
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2012 [15:06:50] <kazdax> i remember finding something similer for
freebsd
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2015 [15:08:04] <kazdax> but you can do a base package install
from the single DVD
2016 [15:08:41] <Brigo> in the first dvd is almost everything you
could need.
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2022 [15:10:05] <kazdax> phut do you want to install everything on
all the DVDs
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2026 [15:10:19] <kazdax> or you just need a windows manager and a
base install ?
2027 [15:10:38] <kazdax> check the list of items on the first DVD
and see if what you need is on that
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2029 [15:11:19] <kazdax> Debian is really nice .i like the way it
handles everything
2030 [15:11:36] <kazdax> i have completely switched from windows
to debian linux
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2032 [15:11:44] <jolt> Debian <3
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2034 [15:12:02] <kazdax> i can do everythign i can on my windows
and i am not a gamer
2035 [15:12:14] <kazdax> so yup ..basiclly everything i need my
windows for..i can do it on my debian
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2039 [15:13:03] <kazdax> is vmware workstation free for linux ?
2040 [15:13:55] <vlt> kazdax: I don't know. For
virtualization I use Xen.
2041 [15:14:21] <kazdax> i am using Qemu
2042 [15:14:30] <kazdax> with virt-manager
2043 [15:14:35] <vlt> There's also KVM and VirtualBox
2044 [15:15:09] <kazdax> kvm is built into linux tho right ?
2045 [15:16:21] <emu_rider> If i want to make my own VM, and the
guest screen must be able to auto resize when I change window size,
what programs should I use
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2047 [15:16:34] <FinalX> yes, KVM is built into the kernel
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2053 [15:17:05] <emu_rider> Of course higher performance would be
nice but auto resize is a must because I want to use GUI
applications
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2079 [15:31:29] <peterandre> hi
2080 [15:31:53] <peterandre> my rc.local keeps being overwritten
every 30 minutes or so with the following:
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2083 [15:32:19] <peterandre> wget --quiet
replaced-url
2084 [15:32:24] <peterandre> is this malware ?
2085 [15:32:36] <peterandre> i cant seem to find the culprit
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2088 [15:33:15] <g0zzy> In Stretch installer. Weird thing is that
when i say "format the partition" when i see what's
been set, the setting is to leave the data on it. What gives?
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2090 [15:33:35] <petn-randall> peterandre: yes. Wipe that system
and restore from backups.
2091 [15:33:43] <peterandre> darn
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2097 [15:35:01] <g0zzy> Actually - i think it's OK
2098 [15:35:07] <petn-randall> peterandre: That command downloads
a shell script and executes it. And that downloads another shell
script that adds a new root account, and also adds itself again 10
times as different cron jobs.
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2100 [15:35:41] <egnuph> Does /tmp need to be mounted as a tmpfs
or should I keep it a disk partition mount?
2101 [15:35:52] <vlt> peterandre: Any idea where you got that?
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2103 [15:36:06] <neo219> I am trying to install ISPConfig on
Debian 9 server and when it came to configuring mysql i get this
error: "Wrong SQL-mode. You should use NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION.
Add sql-mode="NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION" to the
mysqld-section in your mysql-config on this server and restart
mysqld afterwards". I added the line
sql-mode="NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION" in the file
/etc/mysql/conf.d/mysql.cnf and restarted mysql server but when i
try to install ISPConfig again, i get
2104 [15:36:11] <neo219> the same error.
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2108 [15:36:59] <peterandre> well
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2110 [15:37:02] <peterandre> maxided got hacked
2111 [15:37:09] <peterandre> i have my server hosted with them
2112 [15:37:21] <peterandre> i changed passwords and everything
2113 [15:37:35] <peterandre> but found one of my servers with that
command
2114 [15:37:48] <peterandre> thank you for the extra info
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2117 [15:38:15] <vlt> peterandre: Yeah, you should wipe
everything.
2118 [15:38:20] <peterandre> i see
2119 [15:38:23] <peterandre> thanks
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2137 [15:48:13] <muAdmDev> I'm used to define network
interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces. Is that still ok, or should I
switch to the systemd way?
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2140 [15:49:04] <muAdmDev> Further I'm wondering how the
default gateway is chosen, is this based on the primary interface?
And is the primary interface always the first one mentioned in
/etc/network/interfaces?
2141 [15:49:50] <Ool> just one default gateway
2142 [15:49:57] <g0zzy> Wow! You really can't mix remote
installation and local installation??
2143 [15:49:59] <Ool> so no choose is needed
2144 [15:51:24] <muAdmDev> Ool: I know, ok, so if I got multiple
interfaces I just have one line with gateway and this will be the
default gw
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2156 [15:55:57] <Ool> muAdmDev: yes, but perhaps you need some
static route
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2159 [15:59:38] <muAdmDev> Ool: further static routes may come
later. I would add them in /etc/network/interfaces via "post-up
route add X.X.X.X gw Y.Y.Y.Y" + pre-down
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2188 [16:11:40] <NetTerminalGene> how to buy debian license key?
2189 [16:12:17] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: there is no license key
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2195 [16:14:05] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: debian is not a
commercial product
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2197 [16:14:44] <karlpinc> NetTerminalGene: People are free to
sell you Debian but you can get it for free from debian.org.
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2217 [16:21:42] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: why do you ask?
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2225 [16:23:40] <roylaprattep> Editing interfaces in
/etc/network/interfaces is now obsolete?!
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2227 [16:24:48] <jelly> roylaprattep: on stretch no, on buster
maybe, I didn't check?
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2229 [16:25:15] <roylaprattep> I am still on Jessie. I like the
name. Kidding.
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2234 [16:26:36] <colo-work> oh, is ifupdown finally being
replaced? :o
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2250 [16:34:20] <blaztek> colo-work: replaced with what?
2251 [16:34:35] <Aebian> I added some storage via the VMWare
interface. Before it worked flawless. Now for some reason when
umount'ing the disk and runing a resize2fs /dev/sdb I get the
output that my disk is still at max block size. Any idea?
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2269 [16:40:27] <colo-work> blaztek, Idk :)
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2272 [16:42:32] <nikitasius> morning folks, have a think to ask..
When i test with MTR and i see latency 5mc it mean 5 ms from me to
target AND back (i.e. 2.5ms+2.5ms) or it's 5ms one way and
summary it is a 10ms ?..
2273 [16:42:37] <nikitasius> *a thing
2274 [16:42:47] <nikitasius> im completely bugged with
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2276 [16:43:04] <nikitasius> normally it's RTT i.e. full way
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2307 [16:56:28] <DammitJim> I need recommendations on software to
edit video (take a 30second section of an mp4)
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2309 [16:57:22] <vlt> DammitJim: ffmpeg
2310 [16:57:27] <DammitJim> ty
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2314 [16:58:11] <themill> if you need accuracy in the cutting
ffmpeg won't be good enough and something like kdenlive will be
needed
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2317 [16:58:36] <vlt> I doubt that.
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2322 [16:59:58] <themill> You can doubt it all you like. I have
the experience of ffmpeg being unable to accurately clip.
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2324 [17:00:49] <dracc> themill, I doubt ffmpeg is inaccurate.
Might be hard providing the arguments in the correct format, but
that's another thing.
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2623 [17:01:18] <Lope> Does anyone know about systemd-nspawn? I
can't `machinectl login foo` more than twice into a debian
stretch container. When I try into the same machine in the 3rd
terminal window it gives me a login prompt, but the password prompt
never comes and then it says incorrect login after a few sec. Any
ideas?
2624 [17:01:21] <themill> it was unable to do anything between
keyframes last time I looked
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2746 [17:02:22] <themill> umm. that's nice. also irrelevant.
whatever.
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2847 [17:04:17] <Lope> I installed the debian package python2.7
into debian stretch, but `which python` can't find python?
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3017 [17:05:59] <themill> Lope: if you want /usr/bin/python you
should install the "python" package. The pythonX.Y
packages only give you /usr/bin/pythonX.Y
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3046 [17:11:29] <themill> vlt, dracc: from the ffmpeg man page
entry for -ss which is the relevant option: «Note that in most
formats it is not possible to seek exactly, so ffmpeg will seek to
the closest seek point before position.» There is *now* an
additional -accurate_seek helps solve this problem, but that's
a relatively new addition.
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3083 [17:20:38] <vlt> themill: This passage is taken from the
"When used as an input option (before "-i")"
part.
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3116 [17:32:49] <Lope> themill: thanks buddy
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3126 [17:35:57] <noodlepie> Debian is fast to update with binary
packages, its good on older machines. I use Gentoo on my 8 core i7
laptop becuase I have the CPU power to build packages from source.
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3131 [17:37:39] <roylaprattep> noodlepie: It's good on
everything!
3132 [17:37:50] <dracc> roylaprattep, +1!
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3134 [17:38:45] <dracc> noodlepie, I have 8 core, 16 thread Ryzen
and use Debian because I want to spend my time on other things than
compiling libreoffice, firefox or g++. :)
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3136 [17:38:58] <jelly> it's not your time, it's cpu
time
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3138 [17:39:27] <dracc> jelly, Well, cpu time I could spend on
doing things that amuses me. :)
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3150 [17:43:34] <JohnA> what have I screwed up here "0 */12 *
* * root sleep $[$RANDOM % 1800 + 1] && ...." I am
getting log entries such as "sleep: invalid time interval
'$['.
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3154 [17:44:21] <JohnA> That entry is from cron.d
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3170 [17:50:46] <jelly> JohnA: several things come to mind. 1)
shell code is run at /bin/sh, and 2) /bin/sh does not know about $[
] 2) % needs to be escaped in crontab, man 5 crontab
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3174 [17:51:39] <jelly> /bin/sh also probably doesn't know
about $RANDOM either
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3179 [17:53:32] <jelly> JohnA: if you're used to bash syntax,
maybe use something like 0 */12 * * * root bash -c 'sleep
$[$RANDOM % 1800 + 1] && ....'
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3181 [17:54:04] <jelly> oops, now my irc client ate a %
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3196 [18:00:05] <JohnA> jelly: Thanks
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3362 [18:28:01] <sangy> is there any tool that's similar to
fakeroot but inverted? (i.e., fake the uid to something other than
0)
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3382 [18:39:36] <relaxed> sangy: man su
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3388 [18:41:24] <sangy> relaxed: I wasn't clear enough. This
machine *only* has the root uid. I don't see in the manpage
that I can use a uid of my choosing, but more I have to go through
PAM and go to an actual user no?
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3404 [18:46:03] <jelly> sangy: what do you mean only has root uid,
did you wipe all the default users and groups from
/etc/{passwd,group}?
3405 [18:46:15] <jelly> sangy: what does eg. this command say: su
- nobody -s /bin/sh -c 'id'
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3409 [18:47:08] <sangy> jelly: welp, it was more of a trivia
question, but let me try this out
3410 [18:47:31] <jelly> which debian release are you using?
3411 [18:47:49] <sangy> debian:stable-slim
3412 [18:47:55] <sangy> (as in, the container image)
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3414 [18:48:18] <jelly> where can one get that container image
3415 [18:48:47] <sangy> docker pull debian:stable-slim
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3417 [18:49:36] <sangy> this seems to work though. Thanks!
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3420 [18:52:50] <jelly> right.
replaced-url
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3472 [19:13:08] <jasperarcola> Hi, I've installed debian with
root on nvme, but the BIOS I'm using dosn't can't
boot from nvme devices (in either UEFI or BIOS mode). I've put
a efi shell and the nvmexpress efi driver on a usb stick and with a
startup.nsh script can now boot from nvme via efi. This is less than
satasfactory tho - the efi shell and nvme dxe where downloaded from
semi-random places on the internet - does anyone know if there is
any "official" place to download
3473 [19:13:08] <jasperarcola> them? debian dosn't seem to
have an nvmexpress driver in refind or syslinux-efi
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3476 [19:13:56] <petn-randall> jasperarcola: Does updating the
BIOS help?
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3478 [19:14:19] <jasperarcola> it's the latest one
3479 [19:14:48] <jasperarcola> (It was released on the 19th with
intel microcode updates for spectre/meltdown and some errata).
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3483 [19:16:36] <jasperarcola> It's a Dell server, so
it's possible that it only likes Dell pcie ssd's.
Alternativly the nvme devices I'm using (Samsung PM961)
don't include an efi driver in there option rom? (I don't
know how that works these days, they wern't visible in the bios
anyway)
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3486 [19:17:10] <jasperarcola> Dell PowerEdge 510 fwiw
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3490 [19:17:37] <jasperarcola> afaict the biggest community to
have this issue is people building hackintoshes, which is not su
useful for Debian!
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3534 [19:32:49] <digdilem>
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3561 [19:45:19] <phantomcircuit> i'm having trouble with
hostapd
3562 [19:45:39] <phantomcircuit> the wireless device is being
renamed by ?? from wlan0 to wlp4s0 after hostapd is started
3563 [19:45:59] <phantomcircuit> which of course means hostapd
fails every boot
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3610 [20:06:21] <DammitJim> is smartctl the best command to check
if a hard drive is starting to fail?
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3613 [20:07:03] <mutante> i think so, yea
3614 [20:07:29] <mutante> it's using what is built into the
hard disks themselves
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3622 [20:10:54] <no_gravity> I'm looking at git in Debian 9
here:
replaced-url
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3624 [20:11:07] <no_gravity> How do I read the version number? Is
it "1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2"?
3625 [20:11:26] <greycat> ,v git
3626 [20:11:28] <judd> Package: git on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy6;
wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u5;
jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u5; jessie-backports:
1:2.11.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2; stretch-security:
1:2.11.0-3+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 1:2.14.2-1~bpo9+1; buster:
1:2.17.0-1; sid: 1:2.17.0-1; experimental:
3627 [20:11:29] <judd> 1:2.17.0+next.20180420-1
3628 [20:11:32] <greycat> Yes, looks right.
3629 [20:11:58] <no_gravity> What does it mean? It looks somewhat
strange with the leading 1:
3630 [20:12:07] <greycat> The leading 1: is called an
"epoch".
3631 [20:12:10] <greycat> !epoch
3632 [20:12:11] <dpkg> [epoch] a fixed point in a chronology or
the start of an era. For example, y2k was a 2 digit year epoch. In
Unix, epoch often refers to the time from which seconds are counted;
epoch was is Jan 1 1970 and we will run out of 32 bit numbers for
this on Jan 18 2038 (by which time we will have hopefully all
migrated to 64-bit architectures). An epoch can also be used to help
manage version numbering in Debian; ask me about <version
epoch>.
3633 [20:12:18] <greycat> *sigh*
3634 [20:12:23] <greycat> !version epoch
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3636 [20:12:23] <dpkg> The version number of a package has a
prepended number called the "epoch". It is only added when
the system for upstream version numbers changes. Example: in sarge,
X was version 6.8 but in etch it was 1.1 (xfree86->xorg). But 1
< 6, so we add an epoch "2:" to signify that everything
with 2: is newer (if there is no : the epoch is assumed to be
"0"). See section 5.6.12 of <policy> or ask me about
<compare versions> <debian revision>.
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3674 [20:28:34] <IN5T2UK> halo ada orang indonesia
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3680 [20:29:35] <greycat> !id
3681 [20:29:36] <dpkg> Silahkan kunjungi channel #debian-id di
irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) untuk bantuan dalam bahasa Indonesia.
For help in Indonesian, please try #debian-id on irc.oftc.net
(irc.debian.org)
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3751 [21:02:46] <DammitJim> funny thing just happened...
3752 [21:02:54] <Tenkawa> oh?
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3754 [21:03:14] <DammitJim> I tried to install debian on a machine
with the remote installer option
3755 [21:03:33] <DammitJim> and when I ssh'd into the box, it
didn't give me the window to continue the installer
3756 [21:03:56] <DammitJim> it just said it was failing back to
brltty something
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3758 [21:04:14] <noodlepie> Ah the joys of "apt-get
clean" to free some disk space.
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3768 [21:09:33] <DammitJim> silly question, but should I set the
kernel to be linux-image-4.9.0.... or linux-image-amd64?
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3770 [21:10:19] <greycat> if you install linux-image-amd64 it will
always bring in the newest stable kernel, even if the ABI changes
(-5- -6- etc.)
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3772 [21:10:33] <DammitJim> what's the CON of doing that?
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3774 [21:11:16] <greycat> if you're not certain the new
kernels will work on your hardware for some reason, you may not want
them installed, because update-grub will typically make the newest
kernel the default boot target
3775 [21:11:42] <DammitJim> sounds like I should just do the
amd64, then
3776 [21:11:46] <DammitJim> thanks greycat for clarifying...
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3816 [21:27:26] <Logg> trying to open a serial connection. any
alternatives to minicom? I don't like that it hijacks ctrl-a,
since that's the "home" key for cisco ios.
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3819 [21:27:53] <greycat> um... kermit comes to mind
3820 [21:28:11] <Tenkawa> start minicom with a diff hotkey
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3826 [21:29:37] <Tenkawa> check its docs
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3829 [21:30:10] <Logg> looking at them now to figure out how
it's possible Tenkawa
3830 [21:30:29] <Tenkawa> Logg: i see a meta hotkey option
3831 [21:30:40] <Tenkawa> that looks like a possibility
3832 [21:30:44] <Logg> That might conflict with my window manager
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3834 [21:30:58] <Tenkawa> heh
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3852 [21:42:34] <Aebian> anyone knows why tomcat and java are no
beoing nice on my debian? My tomcat start script is
replaced-url
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3864 [21:47:46] <Logg> Aebian, strange place to put jdk. Have you
tried using the packages included with debian?
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3866 [21:48:17] <Logg> btw Tenkawa, minicom let me change the the
hotkey to something cisco doesn't use by running `sudo minicom
-s`
3867 [21:48:43] <Aebian> no I haven't. would that be the
openjdk one?
3868 [21:49:04] <Logg> I think you can get oracle's java in
non-free if you prefer it
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3871 [21:49:38] <Logg> tomcat8 is also in the debian repositories
if you're able to use that version (8.5.14)
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3941 [22:27:52] <VirusInsane> When I record in debian using
audacity, the volume is crackling/sizzling sometimes
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3961 [22:38:38] <siiky> hello everyone, im setting up a new PC
and, after finding and installing the drivers for my GPU, dmesg
shows many lines of the sort 'failed to load
<path/to/firmware>'. is it safe to ignore them?
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3963 [22:39:03] <Tenkawa> depends on which firmware but mosly yes
3964 [22:39:09] <Tenkawa> er mostly
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3966 [22:39:17] <siiky> after those failure messages, there are a
few related to the firmware too, but without any errors, so i
suppose it was able to load?
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3968 [22:40:01] <Tenkawa> you probably need some firmware- and
firmware-nonfree packages installed
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3971 [22:41:14] <siiky> Tenkawa: thats what i installed
(firmware-amd-graphics)
3972 [22:41:53] <Tenkawa> can you pastebin the ones that are
messaging (output using dmesg in a console/xterm window)
3973 [22:41:54] <siiky> before installed that package dmesg showed
'smth smth needs firmware' (dont remember now)
3974 [22:42:25] <siiky> Tenkawa: sure, do you want the full thing
or just the firmware related lines?
3975 [22:42:42] <Tenkawa> just the firmware ones for now
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3978 [22:44:07] <siiky> Tenkawa:
replaced-url
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3981 [22:45:01] <Tenkawa> ahhhh
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3984 [22:45:35] <Tenkawa> those are just different blobs for the
different cards
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3987 [22:46:09] <Tenkawa> somewhere in dmesg one should say loaded
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3989 [22:46:46] <siiky> hm so its trying all of them until one
works?
3990 [22:46:58] <Tenkawa> pretty much
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3992 [22:47:08] <siiky> it doesnt say 'loaded' exactly,
but there are no errors after saying its trying to load it
3993 [22:47:18] <Tenkawa> do an lsmod
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3995 [22:47:30] <Tenkawa> do you see one similar to that list?
3996 [22:47:43] <Tenkawa> in the output
3997 [22:47:52] <Alina-malina> Is there a way in debian to monitor
the latest log files very last line in that are located in specific
directory and find for specific regex when the file gets updated?
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3999 [22:48:29] <Tenkawa> Alina-malina: man watch
4000 [22:48:30] <siiky> Tenkawa: not polaris12, but the generic
amdgpu appears in a few lines
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4005 [22:49:43] <Tenkawa> siiky: have you read the wiki page on
debian's site for amd gpu?
4006 [22:49:50] <Alina-malina> Tenkawa, to specify, does watch
checking inside files and can output the latest line like tail does?
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4008 [22:49:58] <Tenkawa> radeon gpu is a bit tricky
4009 [22:50:07] <Tenkawa> Alina-malina: ah
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4011 [22:50:26] <Tenkawa> Alina-malina: sorry.. misunderstood
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4013 [22:50:57] <greycat> watch(1) is just an incredibly stupid
command that people use because they are too lazy to type out
"while sleep 1; do clear; ...; done". Which is all that
watch actually does.
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4016 [22:51:18] <siiky> Alina-malina: no, but you can combine the
various commands, if i understand correctly :) `watch -n 1
'tail file.log'`
4017 [22:51:26] <greycat> And yet somehow watch has become part of
people's BRAINS, like seq. *shudder*
4018 [22:52:04] <Tenkawa> greycat: watch can actually do
incremental change diff monitoring too
4019 [22:52:10] <Alina-malina> alright thanks
4020 [22:52:19] <greycat> siiky: Alina-malina: if you're
writing a log parser BY HAND, FROM SCRATCH, I would start with tail
-n0 -F "$file" | while read -r line; do ...; done
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4022 [22:52:48] <Alina-malina> yes i guess its log parser what i
am trying to do
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4026 [22:56:57] <greycat> Well, "real time log analyzer"
is more correct than "log parser" for that framework.
"Log parser" sounds more like something that reads whole
logs at once. The tail|read framework looks at each line in (near)
real time.
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4028 [22:58:07] <greycat> What do you actually want to do with
each line?
4029 [22:58:15] <siiky> Tenkawa: thanks for your help! there are
still a few niceties missing but today ill take this as a win :P
4030 [22:58:22] <Tenkawa> np
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4032 [22:58:33] <Tenkawa> good luck and have fun
4033 [22:58:55] <Alina-malina> greycat, i need to find a specific
regex in latest log file and get that string and process
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4036 [22:59:22] <greycat> Can you be any more vague?
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4038 [23:00:47] <Alina-malina> to be more specific, it needs to
check every 10-20 minutes in the latest modified file, and find ip
address in latest strings that been created after last check and
extract those ip addresses and store in file
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4040 [23:01:04] <siiky> Tenkawa: tyty
4041 [23:01:14] <greycat> Why do you want a 10-20 minute delay?
What do you mean by "latest modified file"? Is there not
just ONE log file?
4042 [23:01:25] <Alina-malina> no there are new files every day
4043 [23:01:30] <greycat> *sigh*
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4045 [23:01:48] <greycat> "I have consructed a problem that
is intentionally impossible to solve!"
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4047 [23:02:26] <greycat> "I have made sure that NO efficient
solution is possible! It must be done with freshman level stupidity
and brute force polling!"
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4049 [23:02:55] <Alina-malina> wut?
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4051 [23:03:07] <greycat> Why is there not a SINGLE LOG FILE?
4052 [23:03:11] <Logg> as long as the file names follow a
consistent pattern, you should be able to write an efficient script
still
4053 [23:03:16] <Logg> but yes, that IS annoying.
4054 [23:03:48] <ikus060> Hello, I need to connect to a L2TP
Server (sonicwall router) from linux. L2TP seams a big complicated
to configure manually. Do you know a quick script to set it up with
one command line ?
4055 [23:03:52] <Alina-malina> greycat, i did not design that
system, so it is what it is
4056 [23:04:18] <greycat> Let me guess -- the files are
uploaded/created by something and you ALSO have to guess when the
file has been completely written because there is no temporary
file/move step....
4057 [23:04:46] <Alina-malina> ye
4058 [23:05:00] <greycat> So whatever you write will fail 0.000x%
of the time and there is nothing you can do about it.
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4069 [23:08:47] <greycat> At this level of inept design you end up
writing crap like "touch a file 20 seconds in the past, and use
find ! -newer to make sure we ignore any file that's < 20
seconds old because it might still be opened, then take the results
of that, and try to figure out which file is newest, and ..."
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4073 [23:09:39] <greycat> At least, if you're doing it in
shell, that's what you end up needing, because shell can't
just LOOK AT the mtime on a file directly.
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4078 [23:10:02] <greycat> (although since this is #debian you
could use nonportable programs like stat(1) to help a bit)
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4080 [23:10:11] <Alina-malina> greycat, "ls -Art | tail -n
1" i want to rely on this command
4081 [23:10:23] <greycat> HAHAHAHAHAHA
4082 [23:10:28] <greycat> such failure
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4085 [23:11:03] <greycat> "I have a broken design, but
instead of writing extra bullet-proof code to work around all the
flaws, I'm going to write utterly ABYSMALLY STUPID code that
ADDS more failures!"
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4087 [23:11:32] <greycat>
replaced-url
4088 [23:12:02] <greycat>
replaced-url
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4096 [23:13:34] <greycat> Making this shit NOT BREAK is the
challenging part. You can't just take the newest file in the
directory because it might still be opened. You're apparently
using some horrible polling thing instead of inotifywait, so you
have NO idea what the state of any file is.
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4099 [23:14:16] <greycat> Thus my earlier comments about
disqualifying any file that's "too new", and the
difficulties of merging tools to try to achieve these conflicting
goals.
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4104 [23:20:02] <Alina-malina> ok let me try those aproaches
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4124 [23:28:00] <greycat> unset -v newest; printf -v now
'%(%s)T' -1; for f in *; do if [[ $f -nt $newest ]]; then
mtime=$(stat -c %Y "$f"); if ((mtime < now - 30)); then
newest=$f; fi; fi; done; echo "newest = $newest"
4125 [23:28:17] <greycat> that gets the newest file in the current
directory that's at least 30 seconds old (by mtime)
4126 [23:28:25] <greycat> requires bash 4.something
4127 [23:28:31] <greycat> and Debian's stat
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4129 [23:30:39] <petemc> find . -mmin -1
4130 [23:30:47] <petemc> less granularity..
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4132 [23:31:04] <greycat> You didn't actually WRITE it
though. Extracting one filename out of find's output is
nontrivial.
4133 [23:31:28] <greycat> Remember, filenames can contain
newlines.
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4136 [23:32:17] <greycat> And to get the granularity you wanted,
you can touch a file with an arbitrarily chosen timestamp (probably
using GNU date -d to generate that timestamp) and then find ! -newer
tempfile
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4138 [23:32:27] <greycat> Which is what I said like 20 minutes
ago.
4139 [23:32:40] <petemc> i wasnt following, sorry
4140 [23:33:08] * petemc reads back
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4142 [23:33:13] <greycat> In any case, this entire PROBLEM is a
clusterfuck because of the broken design coming in.
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4144 [23:33:40] <Tenkawa> greycat: have you seen any good
benchmarks between the mmc interface and usb controller in using it
for running the os?
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4146 [23:34:07] <greycat> I have no idea what that means.
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4150 [23:35:33] <greycat> To reduce the clusterfuck-ness, you
would need some additional information about the files. ANYTHING
would help. Like, "we know each file has to have at least 10
lines" -- then you could reject files with less than 10 lines.
Or even better, "each file will have exactly 20 lines".
Then you can reject...
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4153 [23:36:04] <Tenkawa> it doesnt get much clearer.. benchmarks
running the pi with a microsd card or with a usb adapter
4154 [23:36:08] <greycat> Set up something using inotifywait to
react on file-close events, and then process each file as it's
closed, rejecting ones that we can see are incomplete.
4155 [23:36:30] <Tenkawa> !language
4156 [23:36:30] <dpkg> methinks language is a wonderful fucking
thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a
<knoppix> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See
<$lang>, <language per user>.
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4159 [23:37:18] <greycat> Just because I know a few things about
shell programming, don't assume I know anything about ARM
devices or MMC hardware or whatever.
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4162 [23:37:58] <Tenkawa> greycat: apologies.. hit wrong button on
channel
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4165 [23:38:10] <Tenkawa> for my q
4166 [23:40:37] <greycat> Heh, knoppix users... that factoid is
showing its age.
4167 [23:41:03] <Tenkawa> knoppix.. man that is ancient
4168 [23:41:11] <greycat> dpkg, language =~ s/knoppix/parrot/
4169 [23:41:11] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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