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• 7[00:06:31] <Enissay> ectospasm: I see no FTP service running
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• 10[00:06:50] <Enissay> and that why I am asking which one shoudl be up ?
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• 13[00:08:15] <ectospasm> vsftpd? proftpd?
• 14[00:08:31] <ectospasm> Those are the only two I can think of, off the top of my head.
• 15[00:08:42] <otisolsen70> I have just upgraded from Debian 9 --> debian 10. Now no authentication in apache seems to work. Everything gets permission denied. This is with libapache-mod-svn
• 16[00:08:49] <Enissay> Not sure if this is linked, but, the issue started since I have ran a dist-upgrade and wireguard install kept failing
• 17[00:08:51] <otisolsen70> What can cause this behavior?
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• 19[00:09:27] <ectospasm> Enissay: you can try `sudo dpkg -l *ftp*`
• 20[00:09:36] <ectospasm> That might give you a clue as to what's installed
• 21[00:09:49] <ectospasm> If that doesn't work, you can try `sudo dpkg -l | grep ftp
• 22[00:10:51] <Enissay> > openssh-sftp-server
• 23[00:13:47] <Enissay> ectospasm: thks
• 24[00:14:01] <ectospasm> That is not ftp.
• 25[00:14:06] <ectospasm> You said ftp.
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• 29[00:18:37] <Enissay> meant sftp
• 30[00:18:49] <Enissay> my bad
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• 32[00:19:36] <quadrathoch2> Azrael_- replaced-url
• 33[00:19:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 34[00:19:40] <ectospasm> That's completely different.
• 35[00:20:11] <ectospasm> You can usually enable the sftp service in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, Enissay
• 36[00:20:28] <ectospasm> It will listen to the same port as sshd, 22 by default.
• 37[00:20:39] <ectospasm> 22/tcp*
• 38[00:20:41] <quadrathoch2> tldr: it was a 'bug' in debian 8 and was fixed in 9 Azrael_-
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• 144[02:23:08] <ryouma> my old machine freezes frequently if i open tabs in firefox. e.g. 8 tabs of youtubes. swappiness does not seem to make a difference. it gets sluggish then freezes, then maybe if i am lucky after a long time i will get some notification that some internal part of firefox is not responding and can get the poitner back. my question is: can i set it so taht going to a new vt and logging in and getting bash always st
• 145[02:23:08] <ryouma> ays in memory and has high priority so i can kill stuff?
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• 147[02:26:40] <oiaohm> ryouma: replaced-url
• 148[02:27:01] <ryouma> they are not running, just loading
• 149[02:27:11] <ryouma> i have a youtube extension that makes sure they don't run
• 150[02:27:25] <ryouma> (and this occurs with other stuff than youtube)
• 151[02:28:47] <ryouma> thanks though
• 152[02:29:06] <oiaohm> I still have a system here with only 4G of ram and I do have to remember on it to go into profile and run restart every so often to make firefox restart and clean up its memory leaks.
• 153[02:29:33] <ryouma> into profile?
• 154[02:29:38] <EdePopede> ryouma: they *are* running, youtube is mostly javascript
• 155[02:29:48] <ryouma> EdePopede: i mean the video is not running
• 156[02:29:58] <EdePopede> the JS is worse than the video
• 157[02:30:10] <ryouma> i believe it
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• 159[02:31:17] <EdePopede> i unblocked only replaced-url
• 160[02:31:44] <annadane> remember when youtube was good? in like, 2007? =/
• 161[02:32:42] <oiaohm> ryouma: "about:profiles" and there a restart normally there. Some times firefox stops completely when you hit that other times it restast but either way its remembers what were the current tabs open.
• 162[02:33:27] <oiaohm> Its like my universal sledge hammer for firefox memory leak.
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• 165[02:34:28] <EdePopede> annadane: no, i didn't have a flatrate until near the end of that year ;)
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• 178[03:08:19] <n4dir> wish i had 4 gigs of RAM ...
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• 180[03:09:33] <n4dir> not sure when was the year firefox didn't freeze for me. feels like ages.
• 181[03:09:58] <ryouma> i have 6 but it worked better when i had a machine with 4
• 182[03:10:57] <n4dir> i see. if i had the hope more RAM would solve the problem, i could go for it. But as most other apps work like a charm ( ... well ...) and i don't like webbrowsing that much anyway.
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• 184[03:12:48] <n4dir> though for me firefox makes the whole desktop freeze. i think they call it "cold restart"
• 185[03:16:29] <EdePopede> the lenovo is about the age of this machine, had 4 at the beginning, this one has 2. the live system on the other one always was running better then the installed one here. and now it has 8. and it feels like desktop computing should feel like.
• 186[03:17:13] <EdePopede> i only can't torment it with youtube and fb due to lack of networking
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• 189[03:17:29] <n4dir> pretty tired. EdePopede you are saying 8 gigs would be what makes sense today ?
• 190[03:18:11] <n4dir> sooner or later i will need a new PC ...
• 191[03:18:37] <EdePopede> the 2 in this machine didn't even make sense when i bought it. with enough money i probably wouldn't leave the shop with less than 16 these days
• 192[03:19:00] <EdePopede> and some graphic card that is NOT some cheap (or any other) nvidia
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• 194[03:19:13] <n4dir> i see. thanks.
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• 197[03:19:41] <n4dir> how much money you'd assume i had to spend for a more or less decent PC ?
• 198[03:19:42] <EdePopede> htop sorted by memory usage is really revealing
• 199[03:19:52] <n4dir> the less the better. so absolute minimum
• 200[03:20:11] <n4dir> most of the time i use ps_mem.py.
• 201[03:20:37] <n4dir> firefox uses as much or more than the rest of the OS and apps. If i use it at all
• 202[03:20:41] <EdePopede> firefox: 42% (even after a restart some hours ago, but with 3 windows and some 20 tabs it doesn't even start below 30%), ibus being next with 7%. i'm sure after a restart it would only need half of it.
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• 205[03:21:17] <EdePopede> i have no need for office, i have anything java running here
• 206[03:21:44] <EdePopede> and firefox is because the web has become such a dump yard over the last decade.
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• 208[03:22:20] <tomreyn> replaced-url
• 209[03:22:22] <n4dir> yeah, i heard so.
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• 211[03:23:01] <EdePopede> ErichHyuuga: stfu, mkay? not interested in your bullshit, not here and not in my query
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• 217[03:24:43] <n4dir> tomreyn: will tried to keep it in mind. for me netsurf did the job and now dillo. Most of the time
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• 231[03:37:45] <EdePopede> brows needs firefox? so what is it good for then?
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• 236[03:40:41] <tomreyn> EdePopede: you can run it on a remote system which has more ram ;)
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• 239[03:43:34] <EdePopede> oh so i have to rent a server somewhere to make use of it. really doesn't make sense.
• 240[03:44:18] <EdePopede> i can't run testing netsurf because glibc and the oldstable version doesn't show me even the menu line on arte.tv.
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• 242[03:45:04] <EdePopede> and on another page the table like arrangment if list items containing DIVs (just like youtube's video pages on profiles)
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• 244[03:45:19] <EdePopede> it's all a simple long list there
• 245[03:45:51] <EdePopede> seems there's at least a lot of css not yet implemented which firefox knows about for years and is used all over the web
• 246[03:46:37] <ealfonso> I'm getting this warning and corrsponding error: "pip is configured with locations that require TLS/SSL, however the ssl module in Python is not available." online search suggests installing pip3 from source. is there a better way?
• 247[03:46:53] <ealfonso> I am on debian 9
• 248[03:47:05] <EdePopede> on arte the layout is so broken that the startpage doesn't even make sense.
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• 252[03:48:16] <coffeecow> I'm finally fed up with Ubuntu and I've always liked using Debian on my server. However, I'm wondering: should I use Testing on my laptop instead of Stable? I do a good amount of coding.
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• 254[03:49:14] <ectospasm> I'd say use stable + backports
• 255[03:49:21] <ectospasm> But that's just my opinion.
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• 257[03:49:39] <coffeecow> yeah i like no fuss
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• 260[03:51:11] <ectospasm> I don't believe using backports is much fuss, but then again YMMV.
• 261[03:51:30] <coffeecow> by that i meant it makes sense to use stable
• 262[03:51:43] <coffeecow> i find that testing branches of various software always results in mild headaches
• 263[03:51:54] <ectospasm> The only thing you gotta remember is to pass `-t buster-backports` whenever you upgrade packages.
• 264[03:52:00] <coffeecow> in fact the last straw was something breaking in ubuntu that used to work
• 265[03:52:13] <ectospasm> coffeecow: it can, which is why I usually use stable + backports
• 266[03:52:28] <coffeecow> gotcha
• 267[03:52:33] <ectospasm> You can install backports of only software you want more up to date. Everything else can be stable.
• 268[03:52:59] <coffeecow> yeah that makes sense. i don't really need bleeding edge *anything* except for some software development things.
• 269[03:53:08] <coffeecow> ok here i go :) thanks ectospasm
• 270[03:53:35] <ectospasm> Yeah, and you can get thst stuff via backports (or roll your own packages if you need stuff that's not available yet in backports).
• 271[03:53:59] <ectospasm> I think you'll be happier with Debian than you were with Ubuntu.
• 272[03:54:07] <ectospasm> Too much stuff in Ubuntu felt half baked.
• 273[03:54:25] <coffeecow> i completely agree
• 274[03:54:33] <coffeecow> i have really been enjoying using debian on my home server
• 275[03:54:33] <ectospasm> I switched from Ubuntu to Debian around 2008 or 2009, and I never looked back.
• 276[03:54:49] <coffeecow> that's great
• 277[03:54:58] <coffeecow> just running one last backup before i make the switch
• 278[03:54:59] <ectospasm> I do have Arch on my daily driver laptop and my home server, but my router is Debian buster + backports.
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• 280[03:55:19] <ectospasm> I also run Debian buster + backports on my VPS.
• 281[03:55:40] <coffeecow> i always imagined arch would break a lot and be involved--i moved away from *bsds for this reason--i used them for years but they just felt too involved in the end
• 282[03:56:10] <coffeecow> like expecting me to read an updating guide every time i upgrade my software? what the hell.
• 283[03:56:23] <ectospasm> The heavy involvement is setting it up and making it what you want. Once you get through that phase Arch is pretty stable, IMO. But getting there can be work.
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• 285[03:56:43] <coffeecow> yeah i'd rather not. those days are behind me heheh.
• 286[03:56:53] <ectospasm> To each their own.
• 287[03:56:56] <coffeecow> yes
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• 326[04:55:55] <tharkun> Good $DAY. Please be safe. I am looking for a lightweight FTP gui. Any Debian native suggestions?
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• 328[04:57:25] <tomreyn> filezilla, gftp, most file browsers
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• 353[05:32:08] <tharkun> tomreyn: Thanks thunar did a fine job.
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• 409[06:45:25] <Konomi> bit of a question I've been wondering about for awhile, will debian still suggest a swap partition if it's being installed on an sdd?
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• 413[06:52:23] <joze> is there a way to determine if there is a SSD?
• 414[06:52:38] <joze> a standard
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• 422[07:02:51] <Konomi> yeah
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• 426[07:03:21] <Konomi> /sys/block/[device]/queue/rotational
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• 432[07:09:15] <kiwiirc> after 20 years of running freebsd, i'm switching to linux for both desktop and server. *bsd has stagnated too badly, sadly. now i need to choose a distro, and i'm looking for security, reliability, and performance, in that order. which distro has the best rep for that pls?
• 433[07:11:32] <diogenes_> kiwiirc, you ask this on Debian so the answer is obvious.
• 434[07:12:03] <kiwiirc> i don't know the linux world at all
• 435[07:13:30] <diogenes_> kiwiirc, pick an iso: replaced-url
• 436[07:13:56] <diogenes_> put it on usb drive, boot and see.
• 437[07:14:21] <diogenes_> it boots into live environment.
• 438[07:15:17] <Konomi> I mean debian is probably a pretty easy distro to get into if you were into bsd
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• 440[07:16:59] <diogenes_> if you want a fancy desktop then pick debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-cinnamon+nonfree.iso or debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-kde+nonfree.iso for a more simplistic debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-lxde+nonfree.iso debian-live-10.4.0-amd64-xfce+nonfree.iso.
• 441[07:18:16] <kiwiirc> nonfree means proprietary nvidia drivers are included?
• 442[07:18:42] <diogenes_> kiwiirc, no, mostly wireless.
• 443[07:18:58] <kiwiirc> oh, i don't have any of that
• 444[07:19:07] <kiwiirc> bluetooth or wifi
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• 447[07:22:20] <Konomi> "wat"
• 448[07:22:42] <kiwiirc> isn't that what he meant by wireless?
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• 451[07:23:07] <diogenes_> kiwiirc, it also includes codecs so you can do multimedia stuff, in other words you just up and running.
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• 453[07:23:41] <kiwiirc> oh and drm too prolly
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• 468[07:36:51] <rrn> Hi, why does the default umask in Debian allow for any user in the OS to access files in one's home directory??
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• 471[07:43:06] <nkuttler> rrn: seems like a sensible default for a multi user system to me. if you need a more tightly controlled environment there's much more to do anyway
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• 480[08:03:08] <rrn> nkuttler: Hmm I find such a default to be pretty strange...
• 481[08:03:55] <rrn> nkuttler: I'm sure that many unfamiliar users would get scared of such a thing...
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• 484[08:04:41] <rrn> nkuttler: unless it's a system used strictly for unpersonal use
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• 490[08:06:44] <rrn> nkuttler: too bad that it can't be set during installation
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• 494[08:07:58] <kiwiirc> is debian equally popular for desktop and server use?
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• 499[08:10:27] <nkuttler> rrn: in most cases users will want to cooperate, share files, etc. see man adduser and the skel stuff if you want to customize it
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• 501[08:11:07] <nkuttler> kiwiirc: define popular? i run debian on a handful of desktops/laptops, but a lot more servers
• 502[08:11:16] <rrn> nkuttler: I thought that that was what $HOME/Shared is for...
• 503[08:11:53] <nkuttler> rrn: nah, that's some newfangled stuff from desktop environments
• 504[08:12:43] <kiwiirc> ty nkuttler
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• 507[08:15:35] <rrn> nkuttler: hmm too bad that it can't be set right during installation, before nonsystem files are created...
• 508[08:16:08] <nkuttler> rrn: look into preseeding i guess
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• 510[08:18:13] <rrn> nkuttler: So what is the most-optimal procedure for getting rid of this on an existing installation? 1. ensure that new users aren't currently being created; 2. set the proper system-wide umask; and 3. recursively do o-rwx on the root directory of every user in /home?
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• 513[08:19:31] <nkuttler> rrn: if you're so concerned about users accessing each others files i'd argue not to put them on the same machine
• 514[08:20:38] <rrn> nkuttler: obviously this would break things if someone runs some sort of software, which relies on $HOME, as a utility user
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• 544[09:05:49] <aZz7eCh> Hi #Debian. (Raspbian/Apache2/Mulitple Sites Enabled/Working) .. I want to set up FTP so clients can log in to upload stuff for each of their websites, what file permissions or ownership should I use on each /var/replaced-url
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• 623[10:44:24] <Azrael_-> quadrathoch2: thx, switched now to C.UTF-8 and it seems to fit
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• 626[10:46:49] <nkuttler> hrm, is jessie still on mirrors?
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• 628[10:48:40] <nkuttler> looks like it..
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• 630[10:50:52] <miskatonic> is the first of July the deadline for jessie support?
• 631[10:53:31] <nkuttler> yup
• 632[10:53:44] <nkuttler> well, lts support anyway
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• 640[11:04:17] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 650[11:08:32] <Agafnd> i'm curious: is there away to get a list of packages that use the fewest dependencies?
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• 652[11:12:01] <darsie> Agafnd: Like all the packages that don't need any dependencies?
• 653[11:12:13] <Agafnd> yeah
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• 655[11:12:55] <darsie> You could parse the file Packages
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• 660[11:16:22] <darsie> Agafnd: replaced-url
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• 663[11:17:37] <darsie> Package: 0ad-data has no dependencies
• 664[11:18:13] <Agafnd> yeah hm now i have to figure out what to grep for
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• 728[12:20:39] <darsie> Yay, I jigdo downloaded a BD image, put it on an SD card as a file, mounted the card on my offline computer, mounted the image on /media/cdrom and ran 'apt-cdrom -md /media/cdrom add' and it works :).
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• 731[12:23:45] <darsie> beep and zbarcam don't beep on the Eee PC 4G. Audacious plays music fine.
• 732[12:24:32] <shtrb> EEE PC are still alive ?
• 733[12:24:47] <darsie> Yes. Well, the battery is dead.
• 734[12:25:26] <darsie> Got it for 15 EUR. Using it as offline PC.
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• 736[12:26:00] <darsie> Can I make it beep?
• 737[12:26:24] <darsie> e.g. so zbarcam can tell me when it read a QR code?
• 738[12:26:50] <darsie> beep says 'beep: Error: Coud not open any device'.
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• 757[13:03:50] <f8e4> hi
• 758[13:03:57] <f8e4> sed -i '/^-e /d' file.txt
• 759[13:04:07] <f8e4> hi cannot figure what this does, wtf is / for and where to read
• 760[13:04:09] <f8e4> man is silent
• 761[13:04:19] <f8e4> sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [in file]
• 762[13:04:24] <f8e4> wow much know
• 763[13:04:34] <shtrb> darsie, do you have any audio devices present in alsamixer
• 764[13:04:47] * darsie boots the Eee PC ...
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• 767[13:05:40] <shtrb> f8e4, portions you can read more here replaced-url
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• 769[13:07:54] <darsie> shtrb: I have some in 'Volume Control'.
• 770[13:08:57] <darsie> That seems to be pavucontrol.
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• 774[13:11:51] <darsie> Hmm, IIRC it was disabled so computers wouldn't beep when the volume was turned off.
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• 777[13:14:06] <darsie> some module blacklist
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• 779[13:14:52] <miskatonic> I have no headphones or microphones or boomboxes or whatsoever
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• 783[13:22:11] <otisolsen70> I just noticed that I have a file called ''$'\020''AVoCV' in / on my Debian server. What could create this file? Could this be a sign I am owned? I have grepped for AVoCV in /etc and other places. It does not seem to be mentioned. Neither in my history. The file is owned by root:adm.
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• 790[13:30:26] <trinity> otisolsen70: is there anything in this file? What type is it? When was it created?
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• 792[13:31:32] <trinity> Maybe search your root-shell's history file for commands that could have created it.
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• 795[13:33:37] <nobyk> Anyone here with a thinkpad and working fingerprint sensor ?
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• 813[14:08:16] <apollo13> nobyk: that question is rather unspecific; what exact model etc…
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• 818[14:09:51] <nobyk> This one is a T480
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• 820[14:10:34] <nobyk> I think it's just a driver that I'm missing, but can't seem to find one for it
• 821[14:11:21] <apollo13> nobyk: and which fingerprint sensor? iirc they have multiple
• 822[14:11:24] <apollo13> even within a series…
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• 825[14:12:54] <apollo13> but iirc that device has a synaptics 06cb:009a, for which no linux driver existed when I looked
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• 841[14:26:53] <nobyk> Where do you look?
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• 843[14:27:27] <nobyk> I did not know there were multiple sensors, sorry
• 844[14:27:34] <apollo13> dunno, it's a while since I had a t480 in my hand
• 845[14:27:45] <apollo13> but just run lsusb and check the ids and then google for that
• 846[14:27:46] <nobyk> I figured they probably have some http or ftp site somewhere that serves drivers and it might be on there
• 847[14:27:57] <nobyk> okay I'll try that, thanks!
• 848[14:28:17] <apollo13> no, as far as I know there are none for linux
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• 853[14:29:18] <otisolsen70> trinity, not it is 0 bytes. It is almost 3 years old
• 854[14:29:28] <otisolsen70> trinity, sorry was AFK
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• 862[14:39:07] <trinity> I guess its left over from your grep'ing then. If nothing else is weird on your system.
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• 865[14:40:41] <trinity> There are intrusion detection systems, that will detect unwanted system changes. Tripwire comes to mind. So maybe check them out if that makes you sleep better at night.
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• 868[14:43:12] <dvs> !remove kde
• 869[14:43:12] <dpkg> To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
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• 872[14:43:26] <dvs> There is no such library as kdelibs5
• 873[14:44:04] <otisolsen70> trinity, how would it be a leftover from my grep'ing? I mean, how would grepping produce a file in /?
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• 879[14:47:03] <trinity> Maybe you used redirection? $ grep AVoCV > /''$'\020''AVoCV'
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• 883[14:48:10] <trinity> Or any programm that you piped your grep to wrote that to disk?
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• 885[14:50:00] <otisolsen70> trinity, then it would be in my shell history, right?
• 886[14:50:09] <otisolsen70> trinity, and why would I grep for that string?
• 887[14:50:17] <otisolsen70> trinity, I ran chkrootkit and it gave this: replaced-url
• 888[14:51:08] <trinity> Well that does not look good.
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• 890[14:52:01] <apollo13> mhm that can as often be a false positive as not
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• 892[14:52:19] <apollo13> but yeah, verify, but I wouldn't panic due to chkrootkit output like that
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• 894[14:52:42] <apollo13> for instance you'd always get that if using BTRFS iirc
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• 899[14:59:33] <tyzef> hi guys ! how are you today? I have a usb pen drive 64gb flash... showing from "lsusb" not showing from "fdisk -l"... Garted refuse to read it... Gnomedisk can't format it... I searched a lot... yet couldnt find a way to fix it back... i did a live-usb on it before that happens
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• 908[15:02:51] <diogenes_> tyzef, try to erase "overwrite existing data with zeros" in gnome-disk-utiliry
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• 912[15:03:46] <tyzef> ok diogenes_
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• 916[15:06:45] <tyzef> diogenes_ I get that: "error wiing device: failed to probe the device '/dev/sdb' (udisks-error-quark, 0)
• 917[15:07:02] <tyzef> wiping*
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• 920[15:09:44] <diogenes_> tyzef, if it's /dev/sdb then try: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1k count=2048 oflag=dsync status=progress
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• 922[15:10:22] <diogenes_> duoble check that it's /dev/sdb!!!
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• 924[15:10:27] <tyzef> well diogenes_ thx
• 925[15:10:38] <tyzef> lol yes it is sdb b
• 926[15:10:57] <tyzef> thank you again
• 927[15:11:18] <diogenes_> did it work?
• 928[15:11:47] <tyzef> not yet done, doing now
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• 933[15:19:00] <tyzef> diogenes_, it say: error writing /dev/sdb, error in/out....
• 934[15:19:51] <diogenes_> tyzef, then the device might be damaged.
• 935[15:22:34] <tyzef> dianogenes_ its a very good one, i don't think so
• 936[15:23:03] <joepublic> *was
• 937[15:25:42] <otisolsen70> apollo13, other tools to check with than chkrootkit?
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• 939[15:26:55] <tyzef> nice then
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• 941[15:28:05] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 943[15:28:54] <Azrael_-> i try to get postgres running with postgis. it seems like postgis isn't installed and i miserably fail how to fix it. can you give me a hint?
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• 951[15:41:21] <tyzef> i forgot to say somethins
• 952[15:41:51] <tyzef> the usblive on it linux kernel 5.8.0.0
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• 977[16:22:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey guys
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• 980[16:23:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i am trying to setup bind on my debian host, and im comparing my how to article to how i setup it for centos, and tohow i have it set in debian
• 981[16:23:17] <Eryn_1983_FL> should the named.conf file syntax be the same?
• 982[16:23:32] <phogg> is the guide for the same major version? Then yes.
• 983[16:23:43] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 984[16:23:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> zone "example.com" { debian config
• 985[16:24:09] <Eryn_1983_FL> but i got zone "example.com" IN { for centos..
• 986[16:24:15] <Eryn_1983_FL> as ex:
• 987[16:24:57] <phogg> Eryn_1983_FL: bind9 is bind9. I recommend you read 'man named.conf'
• 988[16:25:30] <phogg> quote: " zone string optional_class {" ... you get the idea?
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• 990[16:25:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> optional class?
• 991[16:26:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> i see like options in man named.conf
• 992[16:26:50] <dD__> Hi, I'm having a server giving me some I/O errors on a pretty new SSD. I have tried changing the sata3 ports (although initially I did it with an LSI SAS port and not sure if that created errors that I need to fix), I tried upgrading the firmware, changing the cables, blowing compressed air into the connection on all ends, running fsck, running smartctl, is there anything else I could be trying
• 993[16:26:52] <dD__> other than changing my SSD? My smartctl and fsck don't find anything (just a couple of sectors but not the ones giving us errors). replaced-url
• 994[16:27:30] <Eryn_1983_FL> are the sata ports on the same board?
• 995[16:27:37] <phogg> Eryn_1983_FL: see replaced-url
• 996[16:27:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> maybe try it on a diff board.
• 997[16:27:49] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
• 998[16:28:24] <phogg> Eryn_1983_FL: the class string is optional and defaults to IN, because in practice everything is the internet these days.
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• 1001[16:32:51] <dD__> Eryn_1983_FL: Yes, they are on the same board. Why would that make a difference? Stupid question: If I connect it through USB and boot it through there would it be different?
• 1002[16:33:20] <dD__> Because I don't have another board
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• 1008[16:35:14] <CuteAlien> Hi! I noticed I can no longer run OpenGL ES2 on Debian stable. Like es2gears from mesa-utils-extra. Card is NVidia GTX 550 with 390.132 driver (newest one for this card). It worked in the past, but not sure how long ago (maybe was still with Debian 9 when it worked). There is a "DRI2: failed to authenticate" warning (caused by eglInitialize), thought not certain if that's the reason. Anyone familiar with this or even
• 1009[16:35:14] <CuteAlien> got an idea how to get ES 2 still running on nvidia?
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• 1021[16:48:38] <Azrael_-> i try to get postgis running on postgresql but if i try it with "CREATE EXTENSION postgis;" i get the message "ERROR: could not open extension control file "/usr/share/postgresql/11/extension/postgis.control": No such file or directory". I see some postgis files in "/usr/lib/postgresql/11/lib/" but no clue how to use them. i installed postgis and postgresql-11-postgis-2.5 packages. any ideas?
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• 1036[17:03:53] <Azrael_-> ok, got it
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• 1105[18:00:25] <BalooRJ> Doed anyone know if there is a way in Debian to prevent the Xscreensaver from turning on or screen going to sleep only while plugged in to VGA or HDMI
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• 1108[18:00:56] <BalooRJ> for example if my laptop is on and not connected to the TV, I want the screensaver to run. I dont want the screensaver to run when my VGA cable is plugged in
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• 1115[18:03:02] <AndreasLutro> I think you'll have to hook into udev events to customize that
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• 1120[18:05:42] <Azrael_-> hi
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• 1126[18:10:40] <annadane> hi Azrael_- :)
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• 1161[18:53:00] <nkuttler> ,v python3.7
• 1162[18:53:01] <judd> Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.3-2+deb10u1
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• 1202[19:27:08] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.13-2; buster: 2.7.16-1; bullseye: 2.7.17-2; sid: 2.7.17-2
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• 1268[20:21:44] <mr_ab> Hello folks. So, I'm running debian + lightdm on our family PC. I actually have it so my (rather small) children, me, and wife all have separate unix users... which is nice because kids can't screw with each other's data (as they tend to do). However they have a bad habit of either (a) logging me out, instead of suspending my session, which bugs
• 1269[20:21:44] <mr_ab> the crap out of me, or inversely ... not logging out and suspending their own sessions (which eh I use this PC to write code on for a living so I'd prefer not to have extra WMs running in the bg if I can help it)
• 1270[20:22:11] <mr_ab> Is there any way I can enforce these policies automatically?
• 1271[20:22:22] <mr_ab> I really can't find anything that fine grained in config
• 1272[20:22:42] <mr_ab> Basically so that "switch user" can only occur if certain conditions are met
• 1273[20:23:03] <mr_ab> or, actually, .. sorry, to be specific, -- switching user would log the previous user out and kill their processes
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• 1311[20:45:18] <Aleena> Happy Father's Day to all the ##debian dads!
• 1312[20:45:40] <annadane> but this is #debian
• 1313[20:45:42] <annadane> >:(
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• 1316[20:46:15] <Aleena> AH!
• 1317[20:46:26] * Aleena blurbles.
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• 1319[20:47:05] <dvs> Aleena, does you dad need help with Debian? ;-P
• 1320[20:47:27] <Aleena> dvs, my father died several years ago.
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• 1326[20:53:14] <dvs> oh, sorry to hear that. It's been less than a year for me
• 1327[20:54:06] * Aleena hugs dvs.
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• 1373[21:31:44] <jhutchins> mr_ab: I think you can set a session time-out, so that idle sessions are killed, but that would probably kill yours as well.
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• 1390[21:46:57] <ectospasm> I've helped my dad with Debian!
• 1391[21:48:02] <ectospasm> He has a 24T Areca hardware RAID array, and he installed Debian to work on it. I had installed Debian a while back, but the OS disk died, and he resurrected it and needed my help.
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• 1393[21:49:21] <dvs> resurrected it? he made backups!?!
• 1394[21:49:35] <IanJ> it has raid...
• 1395[21:50:01] <ectospasm> The RAID array was intact, he just reinstalled the OS, and then needed help bring the RAID array back online.
• 1396[21:50:19] <IanJ> Raid should have been online, it's hardware raid...
• 1397[21:50:33] <IanJ> basically it just looks like a disk to debian.
• 1398[21:50:37] <ectospasm> IanJ: Right, but you still need to work with the OS to mount it.
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• 1400[21:50:44] <ectospasm> He needed help with that.
• 1401[21:51:02] <IanJ> You don't, it just percieves the raid as a single disk, just partition it as you would a normal disk.
• 1402[21:51:09] <ectospasm> And I helped him set up Samba so he could see it on his Windows laptop.
• 1403[21:51:23] <ectospasm> IanJ: He didn't want to partition it, he needed the data that was already there.
• 1404[21:51:32] <IanJ> you only need mess with raid in the installer if you haves software raid.
• 1405[21:51:36] <ectospasm> about 12T worth of BP oil spill data.
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• 1407[21:51:58] <ectospasm> He did manage to load the Areca software so he could manage the RAID via their web GUI.
• 1408[21:52:07] <ectospasm> I had to help him with that too.
• 1409[21:52:25] <IanJ> So is the OS on the raid or some other disk?
• 1410[21:52:30] <ectospasm> Or maybe it was 16T
• 1411[21:52:34] <ectospasm> Something like that.
• 1412[21:52:44] <ectospasm> Whatever the DoJ gave him.
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• 1415[21:54:08] <IanJ> Honestly if you just need to view the data then use a livecd or something.
• 1416[21:54:46] <IanJ> If you start changing files then isn't that like changing evidence?
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• 1420[21:57:38] <IanJ> if it's for forensic analysys / evidence then you really don't want to change anything on there. Just use a livecd and search for what you need so you don't modify anything.
• 1421[21:57:53] <ectospasm> IanJ: He wasn't changing files on the RAID, he was just trying to get it mounted.
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• 1424[21:58:57] <ectospasm> And besides, it's just his copy of the data. He can change it any way he wants. Not that he will, but he doesn't need it for the case.
• 1425[21:59:22] <IanJ> Ok that's fine. Then you just need to boot a livecd or something and mount the drive so you can view it.
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• 1429[22:00:21] <ectospasm> Need something more permenant than that, so he installed Debian and I helped him with the rest.
• 1430[22:00:28] <ectospasm> I'm not seeking support right now, just chatting.
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• 1432[22:02:01] <IanJ> Depends what you want to do with it. If you try to install linux onto the raid there's a potential to lose data.
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• 1506[23:03:38] <dka> Hi
• 1507[23:03:42] <dka> I am having hard trouble with my debian desktop I don't know why it used to work
• 1508[23:03:48] <dka> can anyone help around here?
• 1509[23:04:14] <dka> When I launch google-chrome-stable , I get logged out from my session, there is a message in the console but I can't read it it's too fast
• 1510[23:04:29] <dka> I have to relogin but I still can't start google chrome, I just upgraded it and it didn't help
• 1511[23:04:39] <dka> This is my kernel: Linux dka 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.3.9-2~bpo10+1 (2019-11-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1514[23:06:37] <dka> Sorry I just got logged out again
• 1515[23:06:45] <dka> I am trying to run apt-get upgrade to see if that helps
• 1516[23:09:06] <jmcnaught> dka: anything in your logs? "journalctl --user" or just "journalctl" might have some useful information.
• 1517[23:09:43] <dka> journalctl replaced-url
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• 1519[23:11:48] <dD__> How do I get update-smart-drivedb to run from a live USB? The command doesn't exist.
• 1520[23:11:59] <dka> I don't know what that is
• 1521[23:12:09] <dka> jmcnaught, does it help
• 1522[23:12:11] <dka> ?
• 1523[23:12:25] <jmcnaught> dka: that's the logs for the first fraction of a second after the kernel booted (just the first page). With --pager-end to get to the end of the logs, or --since=-10min to see the last 10 minutes for example.
• 1524[23:12:41] <dka> this is dmesg replaced-url
• 1525[23:13:09] <dka> I don't have any sound as well
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• 1528[23:13:51] <dka> I can't rerun chrome because it will crash my session and apt-get upgrade is running
• 1529[23:14:48] <jmcnaught> dka: you will likely have a kernel upgrade, so you'll need to reboot when that's done. After that, try it again, and check the end of the journal for relevant errors.
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• 1531[23:16:35] <dka> ok
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• 1534[23:17:09] <dka> Do you see a kernel upgrade here : replaced-url
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• 1542[23:25:02] <mert> dka: probably have some issues with xorg driver, try to edit /etc/default/chromium CHROME_START_ARGS kind of parameters to disable gpu acceleration
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• 1544[23:25:51] <mert> also you may try putting ~/.xinitrc `exec xterm` inside if it crashes just xorg only or not
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• 1551[23:27:08] <dka> I just upgraded debian, reboot, rerun google-chrome-stable, I got logged out again, I log in, run sudo journalctl and this is the log: replaced-url
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• 1554[23:28:43] <mert> wouldnt help since its just start-of-the-kernel logs
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• 1556[23:28:53] <dka> I don't know how to help better
• 1557[23:29:04] <mert> dka: disable hw accel
• 1558[23:29:11] <mert> are you using wayland or Xorg
• 1559[23:29:17] <dka> xorg
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• 1564[23:30:45] <mert> try journalctl -xef ?
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• 1566[23:32:17] <dka> I am first upgrading my kernel, will reboot try again and post journalctl -xef
• 1567[23:32:41] <mert> ok i'll check for easier/full paste
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• 1584[23:40:46] <dka> I just upgraded my kernel
• 1585[23:41:02] <dka> the problem is a bit worst, instead of just closing the session, it now hang when I launch google-chrome-stable
• 1586[23:41:09] <dka> Linux dka 5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.6.14-2~bpo10+1 (2020-06-09) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1590[23:42:49] <dka> mert, the file /etc/default/chromium does not exist on my system
• 1591[23:43:09] <dka> I just google-chrome-stable 83.0.4103.106-1 installed from apt
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• 1593[23:44:53] <mert> try to run it from terminal
• 1594[23:45:04] <mert> eg google-chrome-stable --disable-gpu --disable-extensions --disable-d3d11 --disable-local-storage --disable-notifications --disable-offne-pages --disable-plugin-power-saver --disable-plugins-discovery --disable-sync --disable-translate --disable-webgl --no-experiments --no-sandbox
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• 1596[23:45:44] <mert> dka: btw google-chrome-stable is a bash script afaik
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• 1601[23:48:33] <dka> On Linux 5.6.0 with Debian Stretch latest, I keep having google-chrome-stable closing my linux session on start. I use xserver-xorg, I don't see any logs, any help please? Also after upgrading the kernel from 5.3.0 to 5.6.0 to solve that problem, my /var/log/syslog is having: sh[15361]: Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 5.6.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 (x86_64) , any idea how to fix that?
• 1602[23:48:58] <dka> mert running: ` google-chrome-stable --disable-gpu --disable-extensions --disable-d3d11 --disable-local-storage --disable-notifications --disable-offne-pages --disable-plugin-power-saver --disable-plugins-discovery --disable-sync --disable-translate --disable-webgl --no-experiments --no-sandbox` work
• 1603[23:49:24] <dka> but no sound on youtube
• 1604[23:49:54] <dka> oh I do have sound
• 1605[23:49:58] <annadane> just a general note, we're close to stretch entering LTS; unless you have a specific reason to stay on it i'd consider migrating to buster
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• 1607[23:50:31] <mert> good point actually
• 1608[23:50:42] <mert> > remembers to update servers <
• 1609[23:50:51] <mert> * gives up instantly *
• 1610[23:51:00] <jmcnaught> ,kernels
• 1611[23:51:01] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.7.0-rc5-686 (5.7~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.6.0-2-686-pae (5.6.14-2); bullseye: 5.6.0-2-686-pae (5.6.14-1); buster-backports: 5.6.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.6.14-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-9-686 (4.19.118-2+deb10u1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports:
• 1612[23:51:02] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
• 1613[23:51:50] <jmcnaught> stretch-backports doesn't have 5.6, it has 4.19. Sure you're not using buster?
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• 1616[23:53:23] <dka> When I run google-chrome-stable --disable-extensions`, google chrome can start, so I presume some extension got broken, how can I fix it? I need it for work
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• 1623[23:57:53] <mert> just cleanup user-data directory (probably ~/.chrome or ~/.config/chrome or whatever)
• 1624[23:58:08] <mert> maybe start without extensions and delete them ?
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