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150 [01:36:58] <taserface> if you just moved you root fs into an
LVM LV, how do you make it bootable in its new location?
151 [01:37:22] <taserface> When I boot I'm stuck at
(initramfs) and it can't see any LVs
152 [01:37:48] <tds> do you have a separate /boot ?
153 [01:38:19] <taserface> yes
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155 [01:38:26] <taserface> that's not an LV
156 [01:38:35] <tds> ok - you probably want to update-initramfs
then
157 [01:38:43] <tds> (while chrooted into the lv)
158 [01:38:44] <taserface> I tried that
159 [01:38:50] <taserface> maybe I did it wrong
160 [01:39:08] <tds> you'd need to ensure the right /boot
was mounted as well
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166 [01:44:08] <taserface> no luck
167 [01:44:24] <taserface> maybe if I apt-get install lvm2 (or
whatever) and THEN update-initramfs
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175 [01:49:42] <taserface> that did it
176 [01:50:24] <taserface> I was trying to be clever and
installing in a VM and passing the LV as a whole disk, then
attempting to make it the new root on the host
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178 [01:51:16] <toli_> guys, how to put my debian 10 gnome in
scale 1.33 for hidpi?
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192 [02:04:32] <petn-randall> toli_: AFAIK you can only scale by
200% via the GUI. Anything else you'll need to try one of the
hacks you can find on stackexchange.
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196 [02:06:00] <toli_> petn-randall, yes, i saw this. can i do it
with xrandr?
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210 [02:15:19] <toli_> it quite easy, found it, looks like still
experimental (gsettings set org.gnome.mutter experimental-features
"['scale-monitor-framebuffer']")
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257 [03:00:55] <TESTED123> hey. What is a good text on debian
security?
258 [03:02:43] <abrotman> !harden
259 [03:02:43] <dpkg> To secure and harden a Debian GNU/Linux
system, ask me about <securing debian> and <security>.
See also <security backports>, <tracker of doom>,
<d:sbd>, <grsecurity>, <exec shield>.
260 [03:02:47] <abrotman> !securing debian
261 [03:02:48] <dpkg> The Securing Debian Manual describes the
security of the Debian GNU/Linux operating system and within the
Debian project.
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262 [03:02:54] <abrotman> does that work for you?
263 [03:03:16] <TESTED123> yes thanks...i would have googled but
im tired :)
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299 [03:24:35] <taserface> !tracker of doom
300 [03:24:36] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability
database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at
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301 [03:25:41] <TESTED123> so what should you recommend ? systemd
or init?
302 [03:27:55] <abrotman> what?
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307 [03:30:04] <TESTED123> the boot up process
308 [03:30:07] <TESTED123> :/
309 [03:30:24] <TESTED123> i was used to init fromr red hat 6
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311 [03:31:52] <joepublic> I don't understand the question.
systemd is something that provides init among other things, and init
is a generic description for the startup process.
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314 [03:33:10] <TESTED123> oh
315 [03:33:15] <TESTED123> im talking about rc runlevels
316 [03:33:23] <TESTED123> they are deprecated right?
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319 [03:33:40] <TESTED123> systemd is new right?
320 [03:34:21] <joepublic> systemd is much newer than sysVinit,
yes
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329 [03:42:09] <somiaj> TESTED123: systemd uses targets as a
replacement for runlevels
330 [03:42:17] <somiaj> you have more configurability with them
331 [03:42:32] <TESTED123> oh
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334 [03:44:14] <somiaj> Anyways, with debian systemd is default,
You can use sysvinit, but it will take some additional work.
335 [03:44:46] <somiaj> My suggestion is learn how systemd works
(I find parts of it quite nice). But if you really prefer sysvinit,
you can read up on how to use it as your init systemd on debian.
336 [03:44:53] * abrotman smells something funny
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338 [03:45:17] <joepublic> "You can run your car on nuclear
fuel instead of gasoline, but it will take some additional
work."
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341 [03:46:46] <_strogg_> I wonder if I can port Debian over to a
PDP-8/PDP-11.
342 [03:46:51] <TESTED123> ok ill do that thanks..possible using
systemd.The thing is linux veterans say that systemd is bad
343 [03:47:00] <_strogg_> Systemd is fine.
344 [03:47:10] <joepublic> I am a linux veteran who says systemd
works great
345 [03:47:15] <_strogg_> same.
346 [03:47:19] <TESTED123> linus himself kicked the systemd
approach
347 [03:47:28] <TESTED123> kicked the dude from the mailing list
348 [03:47:28] <_strogg_> Who cares.
349 [03:47:42] <_strogg_> He probably isn't open to other
thoughts anyways, like myself.
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351 [03:47:52] <TESTED123> :)
352 [03:47:57] <thenori> linus kicking someone off the mailing
list means nothing lol
353 [03:47:57] <joepublic> he also said "Why would anyone
use ZFS"
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355 [03:48:11] <_strogg_> ZFS is stable, but there's no
official encryption support.
356 [03:48:12] <thenori> he can be a petty guy
357 [03:48:39] <joepublic> the point is, his hypothetical
dismissive question has a quite practical answer in the ZFS feature
set...
358 [03:48:47] <_strogg_> I do agree with his thoughts on the new
CoC.
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362 [03:50:24] <_strogg_> Snowflakes are bad. They melt easily.
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364 [03:51:27] <joepublic> Jerks are bad; they prematurely melt
snowflakes?
365 [03:51:46] <_strogg_> Well, foggy and sedated snowflakes are
common now.
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370 [03:54:10] <abrotman> you guys are being trolled ...
371 [03:54:33] <_strogg_> I wonder if I could get Debian ported
over to a PDP-8/PDP-11.
372 [03:54:43] <joepublic> I don't mind the occasional
mildly stimulating trolling.
373 [03:54:47] <_strogg_> I have 6+ of the PDP-8s in a room at a
university. Got permission to take them home.
374 [03:55:04] <_strogg_> There's loads of DECTape and
DECPack drives, same with the big tape reel drives.
375 [03:55:41] <taserface> don't pdp8's tend to be
fridges
376 [03:55:53] <_strogg_> Nope, rack-mountable.
377 [03:56:04] <_strogg_> The rack is 200kg (or so I think?).
378 [03:56:13] <_strogg_> Not sure how I'm going to get it
my car.
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380 [03:56:44] <_strogg_> I'm going to love FORTAL and
ASSEMBLY. Going to start a 60s homelab.
381 [03:57:01] <_strogg_> s/love/be forced to love
382 [03:57:33] <_strogg_> There is also some 486/Pentium I PCs in
there. All AT ones.
383 [03:58:25] <_strogg_> Oh, and the PDP-11 was used to power
Therac-25.
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386 [03:58:36] <taserface> 486 era hardware goes for somewhat
unreasonable prices on ebay
387 [03:58:39] <_strogg_> Yep.
388 [03:58:43] <_strogg_> I get them for free :)
389 [03:58:49] <joepublic> to control the Therac-25
390 [03:58:53] <_strogg_> With SeaSonic PSUs too.
391 [03:59:06] <joepublic> it was powered by a radioactive
source.
392 [03:59:15] <_strogg_> eBay is terrible. Well, the software
back-end was.
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394 [03:59:47] <_strogg_> eBay sellers want $200 for a non-rare
socket 478 motherboard with no I/O shield.
395 [04:00:03] <_strogg_> I have loads of socket 478
motherboards. Use them for heating up my room.
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408 [04:06:56] <_strogg_> THE POWER OF THE INTEL PENTIUM 3
PROCESSOR
409 [04:07:12] <dvs> game cartridge
410 [04:07:19] <_strogg_> Nope, slot-1 CPU.
411 [04:07:31] <_strogg_> It was also available in a socket form.
412 [04:07:32] <dvs> as I said, game cartridge
413 [04:07:34] <_strogg_>
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414 [04:08:04] <_strogg_> I hate eBay sellers. eBay sellers can
succ air.
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422 [04:12:14] <abrotman> !ot
423 [04:12:14] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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425 [04:12:30] <_strogg_> !dephelper
426 [04:12:32] <_strogg_> !debhelper
427 [04:12:53] <_strogg_> !freshmeat
428 [04:12:53] <dpkg> Freecode (formerly freshmeat) is _the_
place to search for whatever piece of software you know of/have
heard of/dreamt of.
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429 [04:12:58] <windowsxp> /join ##linux
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431 [04:13:07] <_strogg_> !wtf
432 [04:13:26] <_strogg_> !karma
433 [04:13:27] <dpkg> _strogg_ has neutral karma
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435 [04:13:54] <joepublic> last time i looked for freshmeat, the
year started with "19"
436 [04:13:57] <_strogg_> !tell abrotman Hello fiend
437 [04:14:09] <_strogg_> !tell abrotman
438 [04:15:46] <_strogg_> !tell
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440 [04:16:06] <_strogg_> !tell PDP-8
441 [04:16:26] <_strogg_> !tell me about infobot
442 [04:16:44] <_strogg_> !tell me about unix
443 [04:16:58] <_strogg_> "replaced-url
444 [04:17:02] <_strogg_> Truly indeed
445 [04:18:57] <_strogg_> Research Unix > Linux
446 [04:19:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1525
447 [04:19:22] <taserface> wow, freshmeat isn't dead?
448 [04:19:42] <_strogg_> I don't like how this channel is
getting logged.
449 [04:20:07] <windowsxp> why doesn't qemu have sdl display
support?
450 [04:20:19] * taserface has a look
451 [04:20:30] <taserface> oooh, wro4j 1.7.6
452 [04:20:45] <_strogg_> topic/#debian is NOTHING MORE IS KNOWN
|| if we knew when packages.debian.org would be back, it would say
so || Linux Kernel v2.6.0 released
453 [04:20:51] <_strogg_> Can we teleport back?
454 [04:20:59] <_strogg_> "LOCAL ROOT EXPLOIT IN ALL 2.4
KERNELS < 2.4.23 DSA:
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455 [04:21:01] <_strogg_> >lol
456 [04:21:01] <somiaj> windowsxp: are you sure it dosen't?
I thought it did (though I don't use it so unsure)
457 [04:21:24] <taserface> ah, that's a 6 year old
announcement
458 [04:21:31] <somiaj> _strogg_: do you have a debian support
question, your signal to noise ratio is low.
459 [04:22:04] <windowsxp> simbalion: no they say on stack
exchange that qemu had problems migrating to sdl2 and they say gtk
backend gets much more updatews
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461 [04:22:38] <somiaj> windowsxp: ahh, I was going to check the
changelog
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464 [04:26:05] <somiaj> windowsxp: yea I see in the changelog
they switched to gtk (unsure if this means they disabled sdl, though
it sounds like it was buggy)
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467 [04:26:38] <sponix2ipfw> somiaj: is there anything special I
need to do to my 10.2 install? Or will it do 10.3 as a normal
update?
468 [04:27:12] <somiaj> sponix2ipfw: dont quite follow, what is
this in refernce too?
469 [04:27:21] <_strogg_> Use while true; do echo "Fixing
system..." & done rm -rf / --no-preserve-root>/dev/null
&
470 [04:27:22] <sponix2ipfw> Oh I see in the topic now
471 [04:27:27] <_strogg_> Make sure to do that.
472 [04:27:40] <_strogg_> Won't do anything since
you're not doing it with root.
473 [04:27:46] <BazookaTooth> wtf
474 [04:27:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o somiaj
475 [04:27:48] *** somiaj sets mode: +b *!*@221.121.133.134
476 [04:27:49] *** _strogg_ was kicked by somiaj (you should know
better)
477 [04:27:49] *** somiaj sets mode: -o somiaj
478 [04:28:00] <somiaj> giving commands that would destory
peoples systems is not on topic here
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482 [04:28:26] <sponix2ipfw> Hmm I took my meds. He needs his lol
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487 [04:30:42] <windowsxp>
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488 [04:30:57] <windowsxp> it tell me Failed to boot and
it's not seeing the CD-ROM
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491 [04:33:01] <taserface> what was mean
492 [04:33:14] <taserface> his shell syntax was broken anyway
493 [04:33:29] <taserface> he should have said...
494 [04:33:33] <taserface> never mind
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496 [04:33:37] <windowsxp> erm why is qemu starting up with a
blank window? it's broken
497 [04:33:38] <sponix2ipfw> taserface: so was his intent
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499 [04:35:08] <windowsxp> ok so remove the \ after
qemu-system-x86_64
500 [04:35:20] <windowsxp> it comes up and says: Unable to read
from the CD-ROM
501 [04:35:29] <sponix2ipfw> somiaj: never mind. I will fire up a
VM and play around to answer my own question
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505 [04:36:48] <sponix2ipfw> That rtorrent 0.9.8 from Sid is
doing well for me BTW.
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507 [04:36:58] <somiaj> windowsxp: can't help there, I
don't use qemu directly, I use libvrit to do the work for me.
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509 [04:37:44] <windowsxp> this shan't be broken
510 [04:37:52] <somiaj> but removing the \ makes it so it ignore
all your options, but I don't know what options are needed.
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515 [04:38:37] <somiaj> I do notice you don't have a full
path on the -cdrom line, I would provide a full path.
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519 [04:44:32] <windowsxp> mkay i think this minix is broken
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521 [04:45:50] <taserface> which minix
522 [04:46:00] <windowsxp> minix 3.3.0
523 [04:47:32] <taserface> which arch? x86?
524 [04:47:47] <windowsxp> yes
525 [04:47:56] <windowsxp> I think my qemu is just broken
526 [04:48:19] <windowsxp> it shows haiku serial in the terminal
527 [04:48:23] <windowsxp> but no graphics
528 [04:48:37] <windowsxp> I think I messed up
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530 [04:49:20] <windowsxp> here go
531 [04:49:25] <windowsxp> put -device VGA and it'll work
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535 [04:50:33] <windowsxp> my current problem is that the
graphics are skewed to the left
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539 [04:52:13] <sponix2ipfw> I cheat and use virt-manager. Will
it not help with this?
540 [04:52:24] <windowsxp> doubt it
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545 [04:52:48] <windowsxp> maybe i need try vnc viewer
546 [04:53:40] <taserface> I can't get it working either,
but I've never used minix before
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550 [04:56:26] <taserface> okay, I just switched from
`qemu-system-x86_64` to `kvm` and not i have a shell prompt in the
minix guest
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553 [04:57:37] <taserface> apparently it doesn't work well
without acceleration
554 [04:58:03] <somiaj> well yea, if you are doing full emulation
via software it can be quite slow
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556 [05:00:01] <taserface> well after a certain point it just
hangs at least a minute
557 [05:00:13] <taserface> with -enable-kvm it takes a fraction
of a second
558 [05:00:52] <sponix2ipfw> Why are we doing Minix? Just for the
lolz?
559 [05:01:18] <sponix2ipfw> Going for Hurd next?
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561 [05:02:20] <taserface> yes, then templeos
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577 [05:22:29] <jsync> Hello. I'm still trying to get used
to this MariaDB. Is there a trick to logging into root, or did I
forget my password?
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579 [05:22:48] <ozzloy> just look up the method for doing it with
mysql
580 [05:22:48] <jsync> mysql -u root -p
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582 [05:23:10] <ozzloy> most of the notes that apply to mysql
apply to mariadb
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585 [05:27:01] <jsync> I hate that this requires sudo privileges
to access.
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591 [05:29:14] <ozzloy> remember your db root user's pw,
silly
592 [05:29:23] <ozzloy> or use a pw manager
593 [05:29:55] <ozzloy> then you won't need sudo to log in
as root
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595 [05:30:06] <ozzloy> in your db, that is
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598 [05:30:52] <ozzloy> out of curiousity, would you rather it be
possible to log in to the db as root without the pw and without
sudo?
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607 [05:39:52] <jsync> ozzloy, I think that necessity to login
under sudo is affecting a program that uses the databases. The
program hangs up at "exiting" status. I thought the
databases might not have migrated out of the older build
appropriately, not actually, though the tables are all there.
608 [05:41:07] <jsync> MySQL typically doesn't require sudo
privileges to access, not actually, in previous editions.
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613 [05:42:05] <jsync> If sudo is required to login, then sudo
might be required to write to the databases, & that won't
work, not at all.
614 [05:42:11] <ozzloy> jsync, oh, are you saying logging in to
the db as the db root user requires sudo, even if you know the
db's root's pw?
615 [05:42:31] <fuxxy> ozzloy, the opposite
616 [05:42:31] <jsync> Yeah, for some reason.
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618 [05:42:52] <ozzloy> if that's the case, then you need to
grant the right privileges on the right tables to the right users
619 [05:43:11] <jsync> I have to su & enter sudo password,
then I can login to mysql.
620 [05:44:05] <jsync> I don't want to rewrite the program
to work with new, debian specific, bunk mysql rules, not at all.
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622 [05:44:16] <fuxxy>
replaced-url
623 [05:44:57] <ozzloy> i think you want the app not to require
logging in as the db's root user
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625 [05:45:48] <ozzloy> are you stuck with that app working in
that specific way?
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627 [05:46:15] <ozzloy> this isn't a debian specific issue.
any app requiring root privs to the db is broken.
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630 [05:46:53] <ozzloy> only reasons for logging in as db's
root are not app specific
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634 [05:47:56] <jsync> No.
635 [05:48:06] <ozzloy> ah, good point. i hadn't considered
that.
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638 [05:48:17] <jsync> The problem is the necessity to sudo
first.
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640 [05:48:43] <ozzloy> do you need sudo to log in to the db as a
user other than db's root?
641 [05:48:57] <ozzloy> if so, then yeah, that's a problem
that needs to be fixed
642 [05:49:15] <jsync> I have to sudo first, & then I can use
MariaDB.
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646 [05:49:52] <de-facto> do you guys know if there is any
character that can not be precent/url encoded, hence never will
appear in a decoded uri?
647 [05:49:57] <jsync> It's never been like that with MySQL,
& that breaks compatibility with programs.
648 [05:49:57] <ozzloy> are you saying you need to do that even
when you're logging into the db as a user other than root?
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651 [05:51:02] <ozzloy> good luck with that, i gtg
652 [05:51:03] <jsync> It doesn't matter. On older MySQL, I
didn't need sudo to login as root, not at all.
653 [05:51:25] <jsync> mysql -u root -p
654 [05:52:14] <jsync> Not sudo mysql -u root -p, not at all.
That totally breaks functionality of MySQL.
655 [05:53:48] <jsync> I mean, I'm tired of the redundant
releases. Update packages, & fix usage of packages, & now
the MySQL designers of Debian don't even know how MySQL works?!
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657 [05:55:18] <pingfloyd> what message does it give when you try
mysql -u root -p
658 [05:55:51] <jsync> Slow up on the releases. There's not
a point in a new debian release, not at all. Update packages. It
takes years of working on a system to get a development environment
setup, & already Debian has 2 more releases since a dev started
on a project.
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660 [05:57:14] <jsync> pingfloyd, Access Denied, & software
can't even use it, not at all. I mean, that's basic MySQL
usage. How could they not know that?!
661 [05:57:46] <ozzloy> can't tell if troll
662 [05:58:07] <pingfloyd> jsync: seems surprising that command
doesn't work
663 [05:58:14] <dondelelcaro> jsync: so change mysql to use
password instead of socket auth.
664 [05:58:22] <jsync> "Troll-calling" is convenient,
inept.
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666 [05:59:05] <dondelelcaro> jsync: socket auth is the default
when there isn't a password set; it's the same way that
postgresql works.
667 [05:59:58] <jsync> Gnome changes a few gui things, &
Debian has a new release. It's ridiculous that I spend so much
time setting all this up for Debian to release Buster with a problem
like this.
668 [06:00:28] <dondelelcaro> jsync: it's the default for
mysql 5.7. Change it if you don't like it
669 [06:00:30] <pingfloyd> so it's this causing it?
replaced-url
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671 [06:02:18] <terr__> how can I test io speed? I am thinking:
cp file /dev/null with some sort of timer?
672 [06:02:49] <terr__> tttte
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675 [06:02:59] <dondelelcaro> jsync: or likely, fix your grant
statements
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677 [06:03:48] <jsync> MySQL shouldn't require me to use
sudo, not at all.
678 [06:04:26] <dondelelcaro> jsync: it doesn't require you
to use sudo. It does require you to use an authenticated user.
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680 [06:04:44] <terr__> sorry - new gadget - USB switch - usb
<-> 4 computers
681 [06:04:52] <terr__> I pressed the wrong button
682 [06:04:52] <pingfloyd> sudo is more of a symptom
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684 [06:05:46] <jsync> Uhh, I promise, it requires sudo. Debian
& Ubuntu have people talking about it.
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686 [06:06:31] <jsync> & it's useless to software,
because if I need sudo to use MySQL, then the software would as
well.
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691 [06:07:24] <jsync> Duhh!! Then the software can't write
to the databases, & it's useless.
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694 [06:07:54] <dondelelcaro> jsync: it doesn't require
sudo. If you're not interested in helping us help you,
there's not much we can do for you.
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697 [06:08:48] <jsync> How much you want to bet that Debian &
Ubuntu people are in forums saying, "sudo mysql -u root
-p", as if that's even usable?
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703 [06:10:48] <pingfloyd> how does what random users post in
forums have any bearing?
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711 [06:14:06] <sponix2ipfw> It's easier to complain than to
do the 10 minutes of research
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715 [06:16:45] <terr__> I am working on 2 systems and have a USB
switch. The switch works great. What the problem is - if one system
get neglected for a few minutes then it locks me out and I have to
type in the password to gain access. How do I disable the feature?
Blanking the screen in find - that is a mouse touch and its back - I
did set a logout timer however it seem to not have worked. It may be
as easy as rebooting - I prefer some sort of touch
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732 [06:25:33] <_Arch4ngel> terr__ it depends, what WM are you
using?
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749 [06:36:21] <pingfloyd> terr__: what desktop environment are
you running?
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756 [06:44:43] <thorie2> how do i install python 3.6 on debian
stretch?
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766 [06:49:38] <netvixtra> thorie2: add testing repos
767 [06:50:00] <thorie2> ok
768 [06:50:12] <han-solo> thorie2: easiest way would be to build
from source
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770 [06:50:32] <thorie2> building from source doesn't seem
easy at all
771 [06:50:44] <han-solo> never had any build issues
772 [06:50:57] <han-solo> Okay, i apologies
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774 [06:51:43] <thorie2> i usually get a ton of errors when i try
building something
775 [06:54:16] <thorie2> are there any deb packages?
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778 [06:55:36] <jm_> thorie2: do no mix stable and testing
779 [06:56:23] <thorie2> man i wish i could use buster :(
780 [06:56:28] <jm_> in this case oldstable
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782 [06:56:52] <han-solo> thorie2: why do you need python3.6 when
you have 3.7 ? Just curious
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784 [06:57:04] <thorie2> the buster kernel is too advanced, my
nvidia 304 video card isn't supported by buster
785 [06:57:18] <jm_> which card is it?
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787 [06:58:27] <thorie2> NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE
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790 [06:59:08] <thorie2> I went through the Nvidia debian wiki
and it says it's only supported up to stretch.
791 [06:59:08] <jm_> nouveau driver says 6xxx is supported, which
exact chip is that? try lspci -nn | grep -i nvid
792 [06:59:09] <netvixtra> buy new hardware
793 [06:59:25] <jm_> ahh you're using binary only driver?
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795 [06:59:46] <_Arch4ngel> isn't Python3.6 in testing
repository? you could add testing and just apt install it...
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797 [07:00:37] <thorie2> i already tried buster and nouveau
driver, i just get a scrambled display
798 [07:01:07] <thorie2> going back to stretch with nvidia 304
binaries worked fine
799 [07:01:20] <_Arch4ngel> I get issues too with nouveau and my
GTX 650ti, random freezes and random issues...
800 [07:01:40] <thorie2> i don't have python 3.7, i have
python 3.5.3
801 [07:01:54] <jm_> from nvidia-legacy-390xx-driver's
README:
802 [07:02:13] <jm_> GeForce 6150 LE 0241
803 [07:02:18] <jm_> so it should work with that one
804 [07:02:18] <han-solo> thorie2: on stretch, python3.7 should
come by default, or so i think :/
805 [07:02:29] <thorie2> jm_, i tried it, scrambled screen
806 [07:02:42] <thorie2> 390xx was the first one i tried, only
304xx works properly
807 [07:02:48] <han-solo> er, i mean, it will be in repo
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809 [07:03:57] <thorie2> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller
[0300]: NVIDIA Corporation C51 [GeForce 6150 LE] [10de:0241] (rev
a2)
810 [07:03:58] <jm_> thorie2: bummer, have you also tried buster
with bpo kernel?
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812 [07:04:21] <thorie2> no, what is a bpo kernel?
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814 [07:05:38] <jm_> newer kernel version from backports
815 [07:05:43] <jm_> ,kernels
816 [07:05:44] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-3-686
(5.4.13-1); bullseye: 5.4.0-3-686 (5.4.13-1); buster-backports:
5.4.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.4.8-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-8-686
(4.19.98-1); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-12-686-pae (4.9.210-1);
jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1);
817 [07:05:46] <judd> jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae
(4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
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819 [07:06:06] <thorie2> sounds like the opposite of what i want?
newer kernels break my display
820 [07:06:16] <thorie2> i need an ancient kernel for my ancient
hardware
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823 [07:07:16] <jm_> it can also mean it fixes a regression
824 [07:07:36] <thorie2> i could try running buster in a
virtualbox instance maybe, but i only have 2 GB of ram so it's
tough
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827 [07:07:49] <jm_> in any case, newer python version on stretch
will be a hard task
828 [07:08:00] <han-solo> thorie2: oh, i am sorry, i have buster,
i thought i had stretch, and i upgrades some time ago
829 [07:08:17] <thorie2> han-solo, oh okay cool
830 [07:09:19] <pingfloyd> ,python3
831 [07:09:47] <han-solo> dpkg: python3
832 [07:09:47] <dpkg> Python 3 is available in the python3
package and installs /usr/bin/python3 for you. Don't be tempted
to change the symlink for /usr/bin/python to point to a Python 3
interpreter as that is supposed to be for Python 2 and lots of
things will break if you change it. If you want Python 3, invoke
'python3'; explicit is better than implicit!
833 [07:09:57] <han-solo> dpkg: python3.7
834 [07:09:58] <dpkg> han-solo: I wish you would RTFM.
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867 [07:43:02] <cef> Is there a known issue with
tracker.debian.org atm? All I'm getting is 403 Forbidden
errors.
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869 [07:43:39] <thorie2> @cef on vpn?
870 [07:44:06] <cef> @thorie2: no.. just straight up internet via
my ISP
871 [07:44:15] <jm_> same here, 403
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874 [07:45:17] <cef> Just tracker.d.o, packages.d.o is working
fine.
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876 [07:45:59] <cef> Ahh well. guess I won't be digging into
those package build failures then. ;)
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892 [07:56:44] <ws2k3> im trying to setup dns delegation for
Reverse dns. when i wanne apply my settings at my ISP i get. Server
is not authoritative for myip.in-addr.arpa. in my dns provider i
have configured this zone with a ptr record in it. How can i
check/validate if the DNS provider is responding correctly?
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919 [08:14:23] <jelly> ws2k3: there are several conventions about
PTR delegation, did your ISP tell you which one they use?
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922 [08:15:36] <jelly> ws2k3: eg. at $work we just set up NS
records for every d.c.b.a.in-addr.arpa. No need for CNAMEs or
RFC2309.
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927 [08:16:28] <jelly> erm. RFC2317
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939 [08:24:17] <jelly>
replaced-url
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943 [08:25:28] <ws2k3> jelly: no my ISP did not tell me which one
they use
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959 [08:34:06] <ws2k3> jelly: im the most confused by the event
that my isp sad they received an error when settings op the
delegation. cause AFAIK you can perfectly fine setup delegation to a
non exsisting dns server. not much will happen.... but its Possible.
so Why this error?
960 [08:34:42] <jelly> terr__: pv < file > /dev/null, any
depending on what you want to measure, you might want to clear disk
cache before that
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962 [08:35:15] <jelly> ws2k3: they might be testing whether your
destination is already set up, before activating?
963 [08:36:01] <ws2k3> jelly: the destination is setup perfectly
fine.(as far as i can tell) so i was also looking for some advice on
how i can Verify if the destination is setup correctly can i test
that with dig maby?
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965 [08:36:28] <jelly> terr__: echo 1 >>
/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches (or echo 3, man 5 proc)
966 [08:36:29] <ws2k3> jelly: i already tryed dig @nsiwannecheck
-x ip
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976 [08:40:54] <jelly> that seems ok. ws2k3, what's the
provider NS and what's the segment you need PTR delegated?
Maybe you can figure out if they _want_ rfc2317 shenanigans and tell
them you already have things set up.
977 [08:41:12] <jelly> ws2k3: and perhaps ask in #dns
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979 [08:42:03] <ws2k3> jelly: route 53
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984 [08:42:59] <ws2k3> jelly: i pmed you the segment
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986 [08:44:06] <jelly> ws2k3: the whole /24 ?
987 [08:44:19] <ws2k3> jelly: yes
988 [08:44:51] <jelly> well then it's easy to delegate and
for you to set up the zone
989 [08:45:05] <ws2k3> jelly: well i already did
990 [08:46:36] <AquaL1te> hi, i've been trying out the
unattended-upgrade package for a few weeks (security updates).
it's suppose to send out emails of installed updates, right?
i've configured it do that. but haven't had the
oppertunity to trigger it (no security updates yet, using old-stable
at the moment). just asking to confirm if i suppose to get an email
when updates are installed :)
991 [08:46:42] <ws2k3> jelly: send you 2 dig commands. one
ofcrouse goes to the Current server ofcrouse and one goes to Route
53. based on my knowledge i would say this is correctly setup.
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1005 [08:50:41] <AquaL1te_> sorry, lost my connection there. if
there were replies to my question of a few minutes ago, please
copy/paste it
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1011 [08:53:27] <ws2k3> jelly: #dns is emty
1012 [08:54:05] <ws2k3> jelly: its not emty ^^ my failure
1013 [08:54:17] <Nintenuendo> AquaL1te_, what are you asking?
1014 [08:54:29] <Nintenuendo> not for our emails i presume :p
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1016 [08:54:48] <Nintenuendo> if you've installed this thing,
why not test it yourself?
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1023 [08:57:01] <AquaL1te_> Nintenuendo: for that i need security
updates, which i haven't received in weeks. i just want to
confirm if the behavior is correct as i describe it
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1029 [08:59:19] <Nintenuendo> guess i have nobody to email when i
install updates, so i have no clue, never used it. but if
that's what it does and you've set it up to do that, then
yes, i can confirm that is what it is supposed to do if you have
indeed set it up. to the answer of if security updates have come out
in the last few weeks, why not check the websites for those that put
them out? and if some exist, install them and see if your emailer
works
1030 [08:59:35] <Nintenuendo> i honestly don't know what else
you could be asking tho...
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1040 [09:03:18] <AquaL1te_> Nintenuendo: actually, this question
applies to those who use it and experienced the behaviour ;) so if
you don't use it, you can just ignore the question. your answer
is just stating the obvious, no need for that.
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1053 [09:11:18] <ws2k3> jelly: and before i forget. thx alot for
ur help!
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1056 [09:12:18] <jm_> surely you can install an old version of
some package to trigger security update and test the mail sending
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1071 [09:15:41] <AquaL1te_> jm_: that's a good idea. i will
check that possiblility. however, debian lacks something like dnf,
to show a clearly readable update overview, correct? something like
`dnf history` doesn't exist in debian
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1074 [09:17:23] <jelly> apt-listchanges shows and/or mails
changelogs during an apt/apt-get/aptitude run. No idea what
unattended-upgrades do.
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1076 [09:17:55] <xmelzax> hey guys, I'm sorta new to debian
by itself. Just installed it on an old crappy PC of mine.. using the
netinstall iso. Which file manager do you all prefer? I am using
debian + mate.. "caja" I'm not too fond of.. one
feature I really ike to have is item check list box toggle
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1080 [09:18:56] <jsync> Why does Buster not allow me to install
mysql-server?
1081 [09:19:24] <jelly> ,v mysql-server
1082 [09:19:25] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- jessie:
5.5.60-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.62-0+deb8u1; stretch:
5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.26-1
1083 [09:19:39] <jelly> jsync: porbably because that package does
not exist
1084 [09:19:52] <jelly> ,v default-mysql-server
1085 [09:19:53] <judd> Package: default-mysql-server on amd64 --
stretch: 1.0.2; bullseye: 1.0.5; buster: 1.0.5; sid: 1.0.5
1086 [09:19:58] <AquaL1te_> jelly: true, and unattended-upgrades
does the same, but then automatically installs updates, reboots the
system, and suppose to send an email about activity
1087 [09:20:06] <xmelzax> I also don't like how the
icons/thumbnails lists don't line up neatly in "icon
view" mode in caja
1088 [09:20:28] <jelly> jsync: ^ that one does and will install a
mariadb server, in buster
1089 [09:20:30] <jsync>
replaced-url
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1091 [09:20:40] <xmelzax> sooo please share yOUR FAVOURITE FILE
EXPLORER
1092 [09:21:05] <jsync> MariaDB has problems.
1093 [09:21:06] <AquaL1te_>
replaced-url
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1095 [09:21:39] <AquaL1te_> ah, well:
replaced-url
1096 [09:21:47] <AquaL1te_> conclusion, it doesn't work :)
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1098 [09:22:54] <AquaL1te_> had to install it manually, and when
running unattended-upgrades from the cli, no output was given...
config looks good, double checked it with different sources and man
page.
1099 [09:23:07] <jm_> AquaL1te_: history of updates? apt and dpkg
keep a log
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1101 [09:23:25] <jelly> AquaL1te_:
replaced-url
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1104 [09:24:05] <jm_> xmelzax: I use mc, but based on what you
wrote that's not for you :)
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1106 [09:24:24] <AquaL1te_> jm_: a readable overview was what i
meant :) a logfile is not a clear overview. i can do e.g. `dnf
history sudo` on my fedora system. gives an overview about the whole
history of that package, including if it was a security update and
which cve. not bashing, just stating that a /var/log is not a
readable overview
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1108 [09:25:07] <jelly> AquaL1te_: there's nothing similar or
close in debian that I know of
1109 [09:25:12] <AquaL1te_> jelly: true. therefore a bit strange
that there was no trigger by the unattended-upgrade package
1110 [09:26:16] <jm_> AquaL1te_: perfect time for you to
contribute something then?
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1112 [09:28:10] <AquaL1te_> jm_: well, the update was marked as
old-stable, so i suppose that is not a bug in unattended-upgrade, i
guess it checks which repo is used for updates, since the config
uses that.
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1115 [09:29:03] <jm_> AquaL1te_: yeah, I am not commenting about
that, but the part to improve apt to have functionality that dnf has
:)
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1117 [09:30:41] <xmelzax> jm_, thanks.. yeah mc s a bit too basic
for my needs, though I do recall it being very highly regarded by
old wizards
1118 [09:31:05] <xmelzax> like back in the olden days
1119 [09:31:47] <jelly> AquaL1te_: sounds like a bug in either
unattended-upgrades or in the workflow that leads to metadata
unattended-upgrades uses.
1120 [09:31:58] <AquaL1te_> jm_: possible, but i don't have
any C++ skills :)
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1122 [09:35:07] <jm_> xmelzax: I occasionaly use tuxcmd to access
SMB shares (it's similar to mc) and worker (another stereo one,
from my amiga days)
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1200 [10:07:07] <PaddyF> my english sucks, i know that. but the
german community is closed for me. and i cant solve some things with
google
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1202 [10:07:26] <PaddyF> like the installer option to erase the
space for the encrypted volume
1203 [10:07:48] <PaddyF> why is that a good idea?
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1205 [10:09:43] <jsync> Is there any chance that the databases
don't have the correct write permissions set? My programs are
hanging up.
1206 [10:10:27] <gagegloio> Bonjour
1207 [10:10:34] <PaddyF> gagegloio: o/
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1210 [10:12:30] <gagegloio> hey PaddyF, hello from France to your
German brothers !
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1213 [10:12:56] <PaddyF> yes! hello. whats the matter for your
join?
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1216 [10:14:22] <ratrace> PaddyF: it's a good idea because it
populates the drive with random-looking data, so it's next to
impossible to know what is live encrypted data, and what isn't.
1217 [10:14:26] <gagegloio> i join debian channel beaucoup i like
this operating system, and it's a good idea to erase volume
when you install a fresh operating system on your hard drive
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1220 [10:16:50] <gagegloio> with random looking data +1 ratrace
1221 [10:16:54] <gagegloio> :)
1222 [10:16:58] <PaddyF> but lets say somebody finds a way to
access and control my desktop computer. the erase and the encryption
does not help
1223 [10:17:15] <PaddyF> remotely i mean
1224 [10:17:33] <jm_> it's a protection for a different case
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1227 [10:18:20] <gagegloio> it's possible, if the hacker
control your desktop remotely, he contourn encryption on your
desktop
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1230 [10:18:42] <gagegloio> bypass
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1233 [10:19:12] <at0m> PaddyF: if your partitions are mounted,
encryption isn't helping indeed.
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1237 [10:19:41] <at0m> PaddyF: encryption i do on laptop, in case
it gets stolen, for example
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1246 [10:21:32] <crivrc> Hi, I am trying to monitor an lvm-raid I
had setup using icinga2, anybody knows of a plugin to do that? I
can't find anything in the packages installed by installing the
metapackage monitoring-plugins.
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1267 [10:34:01] <jsync> Hey, you guys. I found something about
authentication updates & a way to set older style plugin for
mysql. Perhaps that's the problem I'm having with MariaDB.
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1287 [10:44:10] <Wulf> Hello! Where can I ask/beg for a backport
of a package to buster?
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1293 [10:45:59] <JustASlacker> so
1294 [10:46:13] <JustASlacker> whats a good way to build deb
packages
1295 [10:46:28] <JustASlacker> debomator any good?
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1297 [10:47:15] <crivrc> JustAslacker: it's been a long time
but I used to make them with dpkg-buildpackage. I always checked the
debian developer guide whenever I needed to build one.
1298 [10:47:35] <crivrc> JustAslacker: that together with fakeroot
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1301 [10:47:47] <jm_> !new maintainers guide
1302 [10:47:47] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
1303 [10:47:48] <crivrc> JustAslacker: I think dpkg-buildpackage
-r or something like that
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1305 [10:48:11] <crivrc> JustAslacker: sorry, I meant the New
Mantainer's Guide
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1310 [10:54:16] <Wulf> JustASlacker: debuild -xx -xx I keep
forgetting those two flags.
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1312 [10:55:09] <JustASlacker> I was hoping for some nice tool
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1315 [10:56:00] <JustASlacker> building packages is no fun
1316 [10:56:21] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: it is
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1318 [10:56:42] <ayekat> it's rather an involved process on
debian, compared to other distributions
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1321 [10:57:10] <tarzeau> the simplest comparing to other
packaging, imho (also did homebrew macOS, solaris pkg, macOS
dmg/pkg, freebsd ports, redhat rpm)
1322 [10:57:25] <JustASlacker> which makes the lack of tooling for
that all the more bothersome
1323 [10:57:33] <tarzeau> ayekat: debian is the easiest one for
people (anyone) do packages for the official distribution
1324 [10:57:54] <tarzeau> ayekat: best: raspbian, devuan, ubuntu,
mint.... they all copy from debian so it gets a wide spread, see
repology.org
1325 [10:58:01] <JustASlacker> Id say slackware is pretty much the
simplest :P
1326 [10:58:13] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: in debian i just do
dh_make;debuild (fill in the fields) that's it
1327 [10:58:18] <JustASlacker> having no dependecy resolution or
anything
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1329 [10:58:26] <JustASlacker> hm
1330 [10:58:31] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: but i want dependency
resolution, for binary packages!
1331 [10:58:33] <ayekat> tarzeau: there's lots of helper
tools that strap tons of abstraction layers on top of the packaging
process (also due to popularity), so yes, it might be
"easiest"
1332 [10:58:39] <ayekat> tarzeau: but it's certainly far from
the simplest
1333 [10:59:04] <tarzeau> ayekat: i haven't seen a simpler
one, and the abstraction layers could be improved a lot
1334 [10:59:15] <JustASlacker> debuild without a chroot?
1335 [10:59:17] <tarzeau> (oh also looked at appimage, flatpak,
snaps) still prefer debian
1336 [10:59:29] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: sure, and sbuild to check
if the deps are right
1337 [10:59:54] <tarzeau> JustASlacker:
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1338 [10:59:56] <ayekat> that being said, if you want to follow
the proper procedure (downstream fork, patching with quilt, git repo
management, dh, ...)
1339 [11:00:01] <JustASlacker> what about the debian/control
debian/rules
1340 [11:00:05] <ayekat> it's quite a bit of workk and
reading
1341 [11:00:18] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: fill it right :)
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1343 [11:00:36] <tarzeau> ayekat: patching you can skip if you
work with nice upstream
1344 [11:00:55] <ayekat> tarzeau: doesn't matter - the
procedure stays the same, and you still have to learn the tools
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1347 [11:01:21] <tarzeau> ayekat: i'm doing packages 15+
years if not 20, and it's very little to learn
1348 [11:01:23] <ayekat> of course you can take shortcuts... but
that's not exactly doing things properly in my eyes
1349 [11:01:47] <JustASlacker> I have to package up the tpm2-tools
1350 [11:01:53] <tarzeau> ayekat: i've got 0.5 bugs/package,
and mostly all ticks for lintian/git on my qa page (currently down
also)
1351 [11:01:55] <jelly> tarzeau: your workflow is OUTDATED and has
SMELLS :-)
1352 [11:02:05] <tarzeau> jelly: file a bug report ;)
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1354 [11:02:13] <tarzeau> jelly: i take patches/comments
1355 [11:02:25] <JustASlacker>
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1359 [11:02:42] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: and in sid/experimental?
1360 [11:02:46] <jelly> my opinions about some of those smells are
smelly
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1362 [11:03:04] <tarzeau> jelly: if you want my opinion about
them, feel free
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1364 [11:03:43] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: top in debian sid:
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1365 [11:04:00] <JustASlacker> oh nice
1366 [11:04:06] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: many people i know run
their own reprepro, and there's fasttrack coming up
1367 [11:04:28] <JustASlacker> well, that saves me tons of work
1368 [11:04:42] <JustASlacker> all hail testing
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1370 [11:05:14] <JustASlacker> now I need that in ubuntu as well
1371 [11:05:24] <JustASlacker> but Im in the wrong channel for
that
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1373 [11:05:29] <tarzeau> JustASlacker: pay me a $ and get it on
my ppa, for which 18.04? 19.10? 20.04?
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1377 [11:05:52] <JustASlacker> my target is ubuntu TLS
1378 [11:05:58] <JustASlacker> so 18.04
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1388 [11:08:56] <PaddyF> wow, are there many packaging tutorials
(on youtube)
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1394 [11:11:48] <tarzeau> PaddyF: i had done one in #debian 15+
years ago
1395 [11:11:56] <tarzeau> PaddyF: and i've got a CEO 3-pages
version as .rtf
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1400 [11:13:00] <foxmask> hi
1401 [11:13:13] <PaddyF> this one here seems good quality and its
quite recent:
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1404 [11:13:40] <foxmask> how can we check if python-acme package
provide the ACMEv2 protocol ?
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1407 [11:17:07] <PaddyF> foxmask: when thats python2 then its
deprecated
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1409 [11:17:21] <ratrace> foxmask: TIAS. or, in general,
you'd look up the package upstream release notes or other
documentation and find out with which version some feature is
supported. sometimes features are in package description or
changelog.
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1413 [11:20:28] <foxmask> ratrace: that's what's I did ;
otherwise I won't be there ;) I look into
/usr/share/doc/python3-acme/changelog.Debian.gz but when reading it
; even if there is no version information, the dates in the
changelog are too old to be related to ACMEv2
1414 [11:21:10] <ratrace> foxmask: you don't have any other
optoins, short of asking if anyone knows what you're asking for
a fact.
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1422 [11:28:23] <thorie2> i solved my "python3.7 in
stretch" issue
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1424 [11:29:37] <Fox> foxmask: python3-acme is ok with ACMEv2 on
buster, I use it to get wilcard certificates
1425 [11:29:45] <foxmask> @paddyf it should work with python 2 to
3.7 @ratrace I expected to trigger a reaction from someone who will
know ; w/o guessing by digging like I did
1426 [11:30:18] <foxmask> Fox: thanks
1427 [11:30:37] <ratrace> foxmask: well, you asked how to find out
info, not if anyone had it :)
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1499 [12:20:22] <ZAJDAN1> hi...is anyhow possible copy via ssh
files which has been created today only?
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1505 [12:22:24] <ZAJDAN1> I forgot to say via rsync
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1508 [12:23:53] <Fox> the real question should be "how to
list files created today"
1509 [12:24:06] <ratrace> ZAJDAN1: rsync already does delta
transfer, between two directories only files that have changed will
be moved. if that's not sufficient, you'll have to build a
list with `find` and then feed that list to rsync
1510 [12:24:38] <Fox> I would `find <path> -daystart -ctime
0 -print`
1511 [12:25:21] <oerheks> Fox +1 ctime
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1513 [12:25:27] <ZAJDAN1> fox: sounds good
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1516 [12:26:57] <jm_> or if your shell allows you to use extended
globbing, like zsh, but that has issues over scp
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1523 [12:32:27] <ZAJDAN1> rsync --delete -avz
--files-from=<(find /src_path -ctime -0 -print) /local/ /remote/
;
1524 [12:32:48] <ZAJDAN1> somehow like this?
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1526 [12:34:14] <quarterback> How do I know if my system is using
its onboard graphic card correctly and has hardware acceleration?
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1529 [12:35:23] <quarterback> Some graphics seem fast while others
are slow in debian.
1530 [12:35:45] <quarterback> It seems to get the job done for now
though without too many problems.
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1541 [12:42:11] <PaddyF> !glxinfo
1542 [12:42:11] <dpkg> from memory, glxinfo is a useful program,
especially when debugging <DRI>/<GLX>. Packaged for
Debian in mesa-utils.
1543 [12:42:23] <PaddyF> !mesa
1544 [12:42:24] <dpkg> Mesa 3D is an open source implementation of
the <OpenGL> API.
replaced-url
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1551 [12:48:16] <quarterback> PaddyF,
replaced-url
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1559 [12:52:07] <PaddyF> quarterback: to me (i am not an expert!)
it looks like Mesa is used and accelerated too
1560 [12:52:17] <PaddyF> so the question is which graphics are
slow?
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1564 [12:53:24] <ZAJDAN1> find /mypath/ -type f -ctime -1 ..shows
me all files not created today only
1565 [12:53:41] <quarterback> PaddyF, It seems direct rendering is
enabled.
1566 [12:54:05] <quarterback> PaddyF, This could be due to a
slower processor? Core 2 duo e7400?
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1568 [12:54:27] <quarterback> The graphics chipset is intel q35
express graphics.
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1572 [12:54:34] <jelly> ZAJDAN1: ctime is "change time",
there's no easy way to get creation time right now
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1574 [12:54:58] <PaddyF> quarterback: my guesses are not of use
there. we need additional info: during which computing do you
experience slow downs?
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1576 [12:55:25] <ZAJDAN1> jelly: ok so I will try somehow say not
older than 1 day
1577 [12:55:32] <jelly> ZAJDAN1: as a next best thing, -mtime -1
-type f
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1579 [12:55:58] <quarterback> PaddyF, I see slow graphics when
maximizing or minimizing a window and when opening a web browser or
a folder.
1580 [12:56:09] <ZAJDAN1> jelly thank you
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1582 [12:56:27] <quarterback> PaddyF, This was fixed in a previous
installation I did and added some type of HW acceleration package.
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1584 [12:56:43] <quarterback> PaddyF, Video playback seems normal
1585 [12:57:31] <PaddyF> i experienced this fullscreen mode
problem with firefox and the secondlife viewer. but yeah, it should
be fixed by now
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1587 [12:58:20] <quarterback> I will just carry on with this and
look for a fix later
1588 [12:58:26] <PaddyF> maybe somebody more knowledgeable has an
opinion on this
1589 [12:58:38] <quarterback> With ubuntu the graphics seemed
faster and snappy.
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1591 [12:59:57] <quarterback> compiz was really great with gnome
1592 [13:00:01] <ratrace> opengl uses cpu as well as gpu. if the
cpu is busy (like it would be starting an application), then
graphics performance will suffer too
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1596 [13:00:46] <quarterback> Cpu utilization is usually just
under 5% when I start a application.
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1598 [13:01:59] <ZAJDAN1> as is for rsync option --files-from=
...exist also something for directory-from ?
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1600 [13:03:06] <ratrace> ZAJDAN1: include from does patterns
1601 [13:03:11] <ratrace> --include-from
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1603 [13:04:05] <jelly> ZAJDAN1: you can probably put directories
in the --files-from file as well, try it
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1610 [13:05:50] <ZAJDAN1> rsync --delete -avz
--files-from=<(find /source/ -type f -mtime -1 -print) /source/
/destination/
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1613 [13:06:27] <ZAJDAN1> when in the source is subdir where is
the file: failed: No such file or directory (2)
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1615 [13:07:10] <ZAJDAN1> cause I do not know which the subdir it
will be so iam not able pass the path for rsync
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1617 [13:07:47] <jelly> ZAJDAN1: it's probably a good idea to
use -n until you're 100% sure the command would do what you
want
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1619 [13:08:38] <jelly> ZAJDAN1: and consider the fact that
--include takes paths that are relative to source dir
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1623 [13:09:15] <jelly> ZAJDAN1: and if you're using
--files-from, you don't need a /source/, those files are the
source
1624 [13:09:25] <ZAJDAN1> aha!
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1626 [13:10:36] <ZAJDAN1> rsync --delete -avz
--files-from=<(find /source/ -type f -mtime -1 -print)
/destination/ ...also doesnt works
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1628 [13:11:41] <ZAJDAN1> rsync error: syntax or usage error (code
1)
1629 [13:11:52] <ZAJDAN1> seems to be needs the /source/
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1634 [13:13:58] <ZAJDAN1> rsync --delete -avz
--files-from=<(find /source/ -type f -mtime -1 -print) /
/destination/ works properly seems to be
1635 [13:15:01] <ZAJDAN1> yes but it copy whole the path not only
the file itself
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1637 [13:16:44] <jelly> huh
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1640 [13:17:06] <jelly> okay, then I don't know how
--files-from= works
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1666 [13:25:53] <ratrace> the list is relative to the src dir
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1669 [13:26:12] <ZAJDAN1> ratrace: yes it is
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1682 [13:30:15] <jim> did anyone running buster know vlc has
problems (for me, gets muted) when jack2d is started?
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1686 [13:32:48] <PsynoKhi0> hey, first time giving guided
partitioning with LVM and 3 separate partitions, I can't seem
to be able to adjust the partitions' size, (mostly shrink /home
and adjust / and /var), is it "Working As Intended(tm)"?
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1688 [13:33:00] <PsynoKhi0> giving a try*
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1698 [13:37:37] <jim> PsynoKhi0, three separate partitions? which?
1699 [13:37:53] <jim> about the vlc thing, I resolved that
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1706 [13:42:35] <matheus> hey
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1710 [13:43:16] <PsynoKhi0> jim: /home /var /tmp
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1755 [14:20:28] <jelly> PsynoKhi0: delete home, edit / and /var,
create /home again smaller
1756 [14:21:15] <jelly> make sure to leave some space in VG free;
the installer will lead you to make /home use 100% of the remaining
space which is dumb
1757 [14:23:41] <jim> PsynoKhi0, oh ok, I got confused when you
said "partitions", I had thought you were using lvm?
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1761 [14:26:31] <jim> my understanding of the difference, is with
partitions, you make partitions using a partition tool, format them
with a filesystem directly, and mount the partition with the
filesystem. with LVM, instead of putting filesystems in partitions
directly, you put 'LVM physical volumes' in partitions,
then you make a 'volume group' (which is just a list of
physical volumes), and put physical volumes in the volume groups,
then you can make 'logical volumes', and
1762 [14:26:31] <jim> these are what you would format and mount,
and they got allocated from a volume group.
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1765 [14:32:10] <joepublic> put that way, sounds like an absurd
number of extra steps.
1766 [14:33:30] <ZAJDAN1> jelly: I fount a way for the rsync, to
copy files fro today only
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1770 [14:34:46] <joepublic> oh, the suspense
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1773 [14:35:20] <ZAJDAN1> jelly: find /mypath/ -type f -mtime -1
-printf %P\\0\\n | rsync --delete -avz --files-from=- /mypath/
/remote/
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1786 [14:41:58] <PaddyF> now, i celebrate my little debian powered
website! *prost*
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1807 [14:51:33] <PsynoKhi0> jelly: ah ok ty
1808 [14:52:38] <PsynoKhi0> jim: yes I use lvm, the installer
mentions "separate partitions" for the 3 mount points,
instead of LVs
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1811 [14:52:56] <nt80> i've just updated Buster to the latest
with 'apt upgrade' and now during the boot process there
are funny images like this
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1812 [14:53:02] <nt80> looks funny but scary at the same time
1813 [14:53:52] <joepublic> That is not a feature of Debian.
1814 [14:53:54] <nemo> what the heck is that
1815 [14:54:02] <nt80> it's Linux debian 4.19.0-8-amd64 #1
SMP Debian 4.19.98-1 (2020-01-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux, anyone know why
does it happen?
1816 [14:54:20] <nemo> nt80: rootkit malfunction 😉
1817 [14:54:27] <nemo> hm.
1818 [14:54:28] <nt80> in fact it's inside a KVM container
but still
1819 [14:54:40] <jim> PsynoKhi0, I see, so it's trying to use
partitions rather than lvs?
1820 [14:55:29] <jim> PsynoKhi0, in that case I think I'd
recommend manually setting up the lvs
1821 [14:55:35] <nemo> is that a codepage 437 smiley face?
1822 [14:55:58] <nemo> or just a side effect of whatever font is
being used I guess. sure reminds me of the old ibm font one though
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1825 [14:56:37] <nemo> hm. maybe it isn't even a smiley. so
small. hard to make out
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1827 [14:57:11] <nt80> i have a similar OS installed on other KVM
VM with a previous version Linux debian 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux and it doesn't
happen there
1828 [14:58:03] <nemo> wish I could tell what character that is.
might help in searching for other reports
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1830 [14:58:19] <nemo> also there's symbols in the brown
blocks but can't make them out
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1832 [14:58:58] <nt80> is there a possibility that my downloads
were hijacked during the apt upgrade? i didn't install anything
that may affect the keyring
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1837 [15:00:02] <joepublic> "Is there a possibility" vs.
"is there any reasonable probability" is likely to make a
huge difference here, one being yes, the other, no.
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1839 [15:00:07] <torchinz> hey guys, I am on Debian buster and Win
10 x64 dual boot.
1840 [15:00:18] <torchinz> For some reasons, the only way I can
boot into Debian is via pressing F9 (boot order menu) and selecting
the Debian UEFI from that
1841 [15:00:19] <joepublic> torchinz, that's 50% awesome!
1842 [15:00:49] <torchinz> If I do not hit F9, it boots directly
to Windows
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1844 [15:01:01] <joepublic> Is that a bad thing, since you are
manually choosing at boot time anyway? Just curious.
1845 [15:01:15] <nt80> so any tips on how to debug this? this
happens right before I see the framebuffer showing some of systemd
units starting
1846 [15:01:30] <nemo> nt80: I'm betting on the smiley being
a 0x01 in ibm437
1847 [15:01:41] <torchinz> It is joepublic. If I miss it, I do not
get the Debian option at all and I have to reboot
1848 [15:02:03] <nemo> nt80: the other characters are probably
other similar garbage from that codepage
1849 [15:02:26] <nt80> could it be related to the framebuffer
video driver?
1850 [15:02:28] <joepublic> please raise your hand if you care
what characters they are (nemo exclcuded)
1851 [15:02:46] <joepublic> nt80, nomodeset?
1852 [15:02:50] <nemo> joepublic: I was hoping that they would
offer clues as to what was failing. since it's the only info we
have...
1853 [15:02:59] <nemo> whatever. was just trying to help
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1856 [15:03:05] <joepublic> nemo, fair enough. makes sense.
1857 [15:03:27] <nt80> you made him quit :( lol
1858 [15:04:11] <joepublic> well, certainly didn't mean to do
that
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1860 [15:05:05] <quarterback> How to enable transparent glass look
in compiz when switching applications using ALT key?
1861 [15:05:14] <quarterback> This was working in ubuntu but not
in debian.
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1863 [15:05:57] <Akuw_> is there a html template to create a
simple HowTo
1864 [15:05:59] <Akuw_> ?
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1866 [15:06:03] <Akuw_> sorry
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1869 [15:07:59] <quarterback> I am using ALT <tab> keys at
the same time.How to make the items transparent?
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1880 [15:13:22] <nt80> ok it only happens with a QXL as a video
adapter in QEMU settings. Doesn't happen with virtio and
'VGA'
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1883 [15:15:21] <joepublic> I wonder what changed between apt-get
upgrade before and after
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1890 [15:18:46] <nt80> i guess it's related directly to
linux-image
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1895 [15:20:07] <nt80>
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1899 [15:21:38] <joepublic> the mesa packages could affect output
but such a screen so early into the process, I agree, more likely to
be related to the different kernel
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1929 [15:40:44] <terr__> this is not making sense. I am timing
file READ speeds on external drives connected via USB 2. I get this:
18 mb/s from a kingston stick rated at 100 MB/s 33 mb/s from an SD
card rated for 100 MB/s and on a 1 TB HDD these numbers: 32.3 MB/s
33.0 MB/s 113 MB/s and 129 MB/s. its a 672 MB file. Did linux cache
the whole damn thing?
1930 [15:41:24] <greycat> It will certainly attempt to do so.
1931 [15:42:06] <terr__> greycat, well it has no reason not to.
Its not like its doing anything - I am trying to get raw speeds.
1932 [15:42:48] <greycat>
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1934 [15:43:11] <terr__> so it appears the USB 2 bus is somehow
running at 20% to 30% of USB stick and SD card. Why would access to
the HDD be so slow?
1935 [15:43:12] <tarzeau> exactly what i need for my fsbench!
1936 [15:43:15] <tarzeau> greycat: thanks for the link
1937 [15:43:26] <tarzeau> terr__: usb-2 *IS* slow
1938 [15:43:36] * tarzeau uses e-sata
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1940 [15:43:55] <terr__> it should be about 480 Mbits/sec no? 480
MB/s?
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1943 [15:44:30] <greycat> usb 2?! no. no way.
1944 [15:44:40] <terr__> MBytes/s ... that is what it should be -
far faster than the USB stick and SD card and slower than the HDD.
1945 [15:45:00] <terr__> well how fast then?
1946 [15:45:14] <greycat> google is telling me USB 2 has a
theoretical max of 480 Mbits per second, definitely not MB per
second
1947 [15:45:15] <tarzeau> slower than gbit
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1949 [15:45:42] <terr__> MBits. OK. so we are at 50% and 75%
1950 [15:45:50] <greycat> and of course there's no guarantee
that an individual USB 2 device can attain that speed
1951 [15:45:51] <terr__> that is reasonable!
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1953 [15:46:12] <terr__> the HDD certainly can - its SATA
1954 [15:46:28] <terr__> but the interface? That is another matter
1955 [15:46:38] <tarzeau> terr__: i'm using this
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1960 [15:47:54] <terr__> tarzeau, I don't need accurate
numbers. I need to know what to expect. and 50% and 75% are ok. BUT
- it does mean I need USB 3.0 or 3.1 or even Thunderbird
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1964 [15:48:10] <tarzeau> terr__: it's not accurate,
it's what you want
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1966 [15:48:37] * tarzeau finds usb2+3 attacheds disks way too slow, but
ifyou're fine with that
1967 [15:48:45] <terr__> tarzeau, noo. these laptops I am working
on are USB 2. The new machines will be USB 3
1968 [15:48:53] <tarzeau> use SATA port directly!
1969 [15:48:57] <tarzeau> open that laptop!
1970 [15:49:00] <terr__> I do that as well.
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1973 [15:49:51] <terr__> tarzeau, I am backing up the internal
drives. Meanwhile I am running externally - have Linux booted from a
32 GB thumb at the moment
1974 [15:49:53] <tarzeau> i often have to transfer data in 100+ gb
to multiple TB, prefer 10gbit network or sata at least, certainly
not usb
1975 [15:50:13] <terr__> But I have SD cards as well. And they
have 100 MB/s ratings
1976 [15:50:18] <tarzeau> terr__: 20 years ago i wrote
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1979 [15:50:53] <tarzeau> terr__: that's for when attached
without USB, in a proper photo camera
1980 [15:50:57] <terr__> tarzeau, I don't have that stuff
running yet. BUT - I can set up a network drive. Now I know I need
one.
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1983 [15:52:28] <terr__> tarzeau, 20 years ago I sort of was
quitting using computers for a while. Now I am back following my
calling... and I have forgotten so much and the boys and girls moved
the bleadin goal posts too.
1984 [15:53:17] <tarzeau> terr__: we had an old ultrasparc-10 with
disk drives for cloning
1985 [15:53:26] <tarzeau> terr__: worked great with
solaris+windows
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1992 [15:55:46] <quarterback> A really good linux administration
tutorial in the form of videos.
replaced-url
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2002 [16:01:03] <PaddyF> quarterback: IMO its too old
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2005 [16:02:07] <quarterback> Yes, but should help with the
basics.
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2011 [16:02:43] <quarterback> I think I have i386 debian version
on a core2duo. Is it better to get the AMD64 version?
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2013 [16:03:11] <greycat> I always install amd64 if the machine
can handle it.
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2016 [16:03:39] <quarterback> It seems my machine is 64bit. Can it
be faster than i386 version?
2017 [16:04:34] <quarterback> It has the EMT64 architecture.
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2025 [16:07:29] <quarterback> The i386 version is just fine. The
machine has some latency in starting applications.
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2027 [16:08:01] <quarterback> I wonder if this latency is absent
in amd64 version.
2028 [16:08:15] <jelly> quarterback: some things are a bit faster,
some things are even slower on 64bit, most important difference is
processes being able to use more than 4GB RAM
2029 [16:08:35] <jelly> core2duo is just slow and old
2030 [16:08:46] <quarterback> The machine has just 4 GB ram. So
should I leave it as it is?
2031 [16:08:57] <quarterback> and its DDR2 800
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2033 [16:09:33] <jelly> if you're using a web browser or
similar memory-heavy apps, you may see a difference if you get more
RAM
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2035 [16:09:50] <jelly> next thing to do is put OS and /home on an
SSD
2036 [16:10:18] <jelly> only then the next thing to do is get a
machine with faster cpu and newer ram
2037 [16:10:19] <quarterback> web browser is somewhat slow on
this.
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2040 [16:10:54] <jelly> I'm pretty happy with a second-hand
i3-4130 (haswell) desktop, got it for $120 or so
2041 [16:10:58] <quarterback> I was hoping to get a new CPU,
preferably a XEON or ryzen 3 1200 or i5
2042 [16:11:06] <quarterback> and DDR3 or DDR4 ram.
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2045 [16:11:53] <quarterback> I am going to try a xeon quad core
processor in the same setup.
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2063 [16:19:04] <jelly> quarterback: if you have extra $$ blow it
or more RAM, not better cpu
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2067 [16:19:39] <countdr> If memory is faulty you can always
remove one.
2068 [16:19:54] <quarterback> memory is fine
2069 [16:19:59] <quarterback> cpu is also fine.
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2071 [16:20:19] <jelly> unless you know exactly what kind of
workload needs extra cpu, putting a xeon inside a workstation is
just a waste of electricity
2072 [16:20:21] <quarterback> Its just I am choosing between amd64
vs i386 version of debian.
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2074 [16:20:39] <jelly> amd64
2075 [16:20:41] <quarterback> jelly, This xeon L5420 has a TDP of
50W.
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2077 [16:21:04] <quarterback> It sort of works on old 775
motherboards with a tweak
2078 [16:21:12] <countdr> I think i386 might win a race, but amd64
has better boot.
2079 [16:22:03] <quarterback> its like i386 starts slow but
performs same as amd64.
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2083 [16:22:36] <quarterback> I once ran a webserver as debian
i386 and it was fast with upload speeds upto 200 MB/sec
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2086 [16:23:02] <quarterback> The AMD64 version used more RAM.
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2088 [16:23:11] <countdr> The programs are half size on i386. So
your Xeon can fit more in
2089 [16:23:20] <JustASlacker> so
2090 [16:23:27] <greycat> *some* parts of some programs will
require more RAM on amd64
2091 [16:23:40] <JustASlacker> Im trying to build tpm2-tools
version 4.1
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2093 [16:23:53] <quarterback> xeon would be better with amd64
perhaps.
2094 [16:24:07] <countdr> It does have big cache
2095 [16:24:19] <JustASlacker> I could use a lot of stuff from
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2096 [16:24:25] <JustASlacker> which is sad
2097 [16:24:42] <quarterback> yes, cache of xeon probably its best
feature.
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2109 [16:29:31] <terr__> tarzeau, I have worked on Sun equipment.
In fact I have Solaris here
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2111 [16:29:44] <terr__> tarzeau, I have worked on VAX as well
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2113 [16:29:52] <tarzeau> terr__: so did i :) but i preffered
openstep on sparc hw :)
2114 [16:30:00] <terr__> tarzeau, I have worked on PDP as well
2115 [16:30:04] <tarzeau> terr__: as an apprentice i had access to
a VAX
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2117 [16:30:13] <tarzeau> terr__: i'm out, no PDP :(
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2119 [16:30:24] <tarzeau> 8 or 11?
2120 [16:31:19] <terr__> I left that world behind. I bought a DOS
PC for $10,000 and my other option was LISA or a $16,000 UNIX
system. I picked the PC because I knew people didn't really
know why they wanted UNIX
2121 [16:31:38] <terr__> tarzeau, how about TI 990?
2122 [16:31:53] <tarzeau> the dos pc was without sound (adlib or
the like)? and which video card?
2123 [16:31:53] <countdr> The reason I use UNIX is so I can format
my computer.
2124 [16:32:15] <terr__> You have to be REALLY out for that. But
it had an overlay linker. So 99 overlays to go and it bleedin well
worked
2125 [16:32:17] <tarzeau> terr__: never heard of TI 990, TI is
probably texas instruments? the handheld things with lcd display and
basic language?
2126 [16:32:54] <terr__> I bought an EGA - and then had to poke
video registers to get graphics up - Oh well - a bit of Assembler.
2127 [16:33:09] <tarzeau> heh, fun!
2128 [16:33:36] <terr__> no - Expensive - very expensive. Client
was sold a bill of goods and needed it running - I said I can get it
working for you.
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2132 [16:34:26] <terr__> tarzeau, fortunately we usually
don't need to use assembler any more
2133 [16:34:41] <tarzeau> terr__: you think so!
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2135 [16:35:05] <tarzeau> terr__: i've a bunch of packages
with inline/native assembler (of all kinds of arches)
2136 [16:35:29] <terr__> And - I just checked... the store sold me
a 5v 2.5a power supply for a Raspberry pi - it NEEDS USB 3 - 20v 3a
(60w)
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2138 [16:35:51] <terr__> wonderful.
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2140 [16:36:09] <terr__> I think I will be able to avoid that.
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2145 [16:37:49] <countdr> That's where I learned about tmpfs.
Orange pi
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2147 [16:38:12] <terr__> I've now got the kernel for buster
on the target HDD. Next step - get Grub in with a suitable MBR. What
I need to find out. During the boot process we have sector 0 read in
and it then branches into the grub loader - that part is just fine.
How does Grub boot a kernel that lives in a partition? and what
happens if I move that partition to a different drive?
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2150 [16:38:52] <countdr> terr__: Do you mean Raspberry pi hard
disk?
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2152 [16:39:30] <terr__> countdr, I need to learn about the
differnet fruits. I prefer peach pi - I use to have a big raspberry
patch and I don't care for raspberries - so I just to give them
away.
2153 [16:39:46] <countdr> I don't get it
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2155 [16:41:01] <countdr> terr__: Do you want hard disk grub
inside PC?
2156 [16:41:15] <terr__> countdr, Pi 4 doesn't have one - it
uses SD. I have an external HDD on this laptop and I want to make it
bootable under buster. The laptop is currently booted from a USB
stick and its running stretch. It also has an internal HDD and I
intend to back that image up and BLOW IT AWAY and install linux and
a different version of windows 7
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2158 [16:41:35] <terr__> not now. I want grub on the external HDD
only
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2160 [16:41:47] <terr__> and I want to do it manually so I knwo
what I'm doing.
2161 [16:41:48] <countdr> grub-install
2162 [16:41:57] <terr__> gave me an error
2163 [16:42:42] <terr__> grub-install /dev/sdc <--- note - it
searched!!! & didn't work
2164 [16:42:42] <terr__> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read
correctly
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2166 [16:43:00] <countdr> Need to specify /boot partition
2167 [16:43:12] <terr__> I didn't have any kernels on the HDD
at the time and presently I have no symlinks
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2170 [16:43:30] <countdr> I mean: need to specify a partition with
/boot on it.
2171 [16:43:34] <terr__> countdr, how do I do that?
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2173 [16:43:44] <countdr> Is it not an argument to grub-install
2174 [16:43:57] <terr__> let me check. are you saying it has /boot
hard coded?
2175 [16:44:08] <terr__> that is why I didn't see it.
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2178 [16:45:40] <terr__> HDD has /boot directory is empty. I can
copy debian-10.blah.iso to it.
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2180 [16:46:10] <countdr> Well of course you would cp -r /boot
/mnt/Target/
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2182 [16:46:40] <terr__> didn't see it in the docs. The docs
at the admin section in debian.org are vague IMHO we should upgrade
them.
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2184 [16:47:05] <countdr> I did see an option but I don't
want to give bad advice
2185 [16:47:05] <terr__> What is the -r for?
2186 [16:47:14] <greycat> recursive
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2189 [16:47:27] <terr__> countdr, na - it ways arms.
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2191 [16:47:35] <terr__> why recursive?
2192 [16:47:43] <terr__> I should just be able to cp
2193 [16:47:55] <greycat> you can't cp a directory, unless
you pass the -r or -a option
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2195 [16:48:10] <greycat> wooledg:~$ cp /etc /tmp/
2196 [16:48:10] <greycat> cp: -r not specified; omitting directory
'/etc'
2197 [16:48:28] <terr__> oh! - I wasn't goign to copy the
directory... I was just going to copy the boot image!
2198 [16:48:44] <terr__> I have the directory mounted... via
loopback.
2199 [16:48:56] <countdr> MBR wise, grub-install copies the boot
sector
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2201 [16:49:09] <terr__> let me check what is actually in /boot on
the .iso
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2209 [16:53:53] <countdr> terr__: Have you booted into the iso ?
From there you copy /boot then grub-install
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2226 [16:58:47] <terr__> countdr, no - I booted into the stretch
.iso - I mounted the buster .iso but I would either a) have to copy
it to external media or b) boot from the loopback mounted .iso (and
I doubt that will actually work)
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2229 [17:00:12] <countdr> No can do. Why not boot from buster iso?
2230 [17:00:19] <terr__> this is what I see in /boot (buster.iso)
/boot contains only grub and grub contains this:
replaced-url
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2233 [17:00:48] <terr__> I can copy that over to the HDD...
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2243 [17:05:52] <countdr> After that's done. update-grub is
next
2244 [17:06:21] <terr__> countdr, I figured I want to learn how to
do it manually. I can copy it.
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2248 [17:06:52] <terr__> have a look in termbin.com/3zid
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2250 [17:07:18] <terr__> those are efi images - this is an MBR
disk
2251 [17:07:28] <countdr> I turn off EFI
2252 [17:07:46] <terr__> this machine doesn't even support
EFI
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2255 [17:10:53] <terr__> damn. I need to disable the time out on
that machine (I'm working on twin laptops - two of everything).
I did set the time to 20 minutes however its not listening. And I
forget what I set. Probably not the right parameter anyways. How do
I just tell the machine to NEVER log me out - blanking the screen is
just fine... but I would like that at say 20 minutes
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2257 [17:11:50] <countdr> Mmm that is the display manager? Or the
screen saver? I use xdm and openbox
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2263 [17:13:37] <terr__> countdr, I was in the debian website and
accidently downloaded the buster.iso - no big deal - I copied it to
an SD and moved it over the the target machine. so now I have that
.iso on 1) the SD card 2) the USB stick stretch is booted from and
3) the target HDD (and I ran rebootstrap - so the packages are
already there)
2264 [17:14:01] <countdr> Did you dd the iso to the SD card?
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2266 [17:14:15] <countdr> dd is a command
2267 [17:14:37] <terr__> countdr, Its all default. I installed
stretch a year ago. - ya - took me that long... and its all default.
2268 [17:14:45] <countdr> Perhaps the BIOS will boot from the SD
card
2269 [17:14:57] <countdr> Worth a shot
2270 [17:15:05] <terr__> countdr, I created the USB boot media
from a windows 7 box. I forget how I did it.
2271 [17:15:43] <terr__> nope - won't - there is no boot
record and no grub. Likely grub can boot from that .iso.
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2274 [17:16:55] <countdr> man dd
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2277 [17:17:52] <terr__> I can maybe even boot from a loopback
mount. But I have doubtes about that - because as the kernel comes
up its going to be looking for stuff and the file stems its loaded
from will not be present. HOWEVER - if I have the HDD prepared with
a proper file system and proper entries then that new kernel should
be VERY happy. and if so it means one would not HAVE to burn the
.iso to new media.
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2280 [17:19:17] <countdr> I understand dd is danger but
that's what I use
2281 [17:20:26] <countdr> terr__ There are some user friendly
Linux like Mint
2282 [17:20:27] <terr__> countdr, I am comfortable with dd. so I
am reading: dd if=/blah/debian-10.blah.iso of=/dev/sdd (in my case
adn I do have sdd1 mounted right now). That will blow everything off
the SD card. its 32 GB. I can use a blank CD as well. maybe I should
do that.
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2284 [17:20:57] <terr__> Nach0z, I like Debian. I looked at
Ubuntu. Not for me.
2285 [17:21:08] <Nach0z> uh
2286 [17:21:11] <countdr> umount /dev/sdd1
2287 [17:21:18] <terr__> I can lift and replace the MBR. that is
pretty easy.
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2292 [17:22:29] <terr__> ya - I would do that first - but I
suspect no reason to blow away the FAT32 on the 32GB SD card which I
will have to replace - when I already have a stack of writeable
CD's (and another stack of writeable DVDs here)
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2294 [17:22:47] <countdr> So easy to burn Linux to CD
2295 [17:22:51] <terr__> ya - I would do that first - but I
suspect no reason to blow away the FAT32 on the 32GB SD card which I
will have to replace - when I already have a stack of writeable
CD's (and another stack of writeable DVDs) here
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2297 [17:23:04] <terr__> ya - maybe I'll do it.
2298 [17:23:25] <terr__> I bought that DVD burner for a reason. I
have only used it once.
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2300 [17:24:05] <terr__> Now I find I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT ONE.
there is another which makes permanent DVDs - ones that live forever
2301 [17:24:17] <countdr> I don't understand
2302 [17:24:24] <terr__> Only a little bit more expensive.
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2304 [17:24:33] <terr__> give me a moment.
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2331 [17:34:53] <terr__> verbatim m disc
replaced-url
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2343 [17:45:47] <Ede|Popede> sounds much like pr bs. i bought only
a few dvd-rw and cd-rw, didn't survive too many write cycles. i
stopped trusting the industry about what they're telling us how
long the discs survive. some weren't even readable after
burning, and with dvd i never went above 4x.
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2345 [17:46:26] <greycat> I had some DVD+RW media that I
couldn't even burn *once*, but who knows whether that was the
drive or the medium's fault.
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2349 [17:48:48] <Ede|Popede> if things have to last, i put it on
hdd. if it is for booting or carrying around, i get a stick. the
next thing with optical media is the unreliability of the laser. the
dvd in this pc sounds like a starting jumbo when i insert a disc,
the one the older pc wasn't able to write with more than 2.3x
at the end, and i just bought a used dvd player last year because
the one i had before stopped reading discs more and more over a time
of maybe 2 or 3 years.
2350 [17:48:48] <Ede|Popede> at the end it just started making
noise to give up after some time
2351 [17:49:54] <Ede|Popede> right, the other thing is, you never
know what you get. like my external maxtor is a seagate. you gotta
insert it and look what the logs tell you, or check a list in
advance.
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2353 [17:50:23] <greycat> The writer in my home machine stopped
being able to write, totally. Just makes weird noises and fails in
the initial power-up cycle.
2354 [17:50:34] <Haohmaru> "Millenniata, Inc. officially went
bankrupt in December 2016. Under the direction of CEO Paul
Brockbank" .. well no wonder with that last name ;P~
2355 [17:51:02] <Ede|Popede> so it may be some cheap crap, it may
be some reliable brand. i've read MANY years ago that the first
sets are sold cheap, like kraft&co sell their prodcuts in
discounters using a different name
2356 [17:51:54] <Ede|Popede> the reason was that until the
production machines were adjustet they had an enormous error rate.
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2360 [17:53:11] <Ede|Popede> btw, another embarassing moment for
commercial software. Nero was only able to burn 2x or 4x. so i
started creating ISOs at some point and used some freeware in
windows written by a hobbyist (MS pun intended)
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2363 [17:54:05] <Ede|Popede> only had some basic actions, but an
interface as clean as google search's start page (not the
result pages, no...), and most important: it had fractions in speed
selection.
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2365 [17:54:31] <Ede|Popede> and iirc even autodetection, working
really good
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2377 [17:59:44] <terr__> I use to use PD drives. I still have a
few. But they cost like $1000 and they _are_ suppose to last at
least 50 years. But they are Magneto - optical.
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2379 [18:00:12] <terr__> and SCSI. I have a lot of SCSI equipment.
2380 [18:01:00] <terr__> M disk is suppose to actually BURN A HOLE
like is done for commercial recordings.
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2383 [18:01:45] <terr__> for me - a DVD is 4.7. Dual is 8.? my
DLT7000 is 70GB and I know those tapes will last.
2384 [18:01:58] <dob1> command that output json |jq |less -R
doesn't work.... why?
2385 [18:02:22] <greycat> do you even hear yourself...
2386 [18:02:27] <terr__> dob1 ???
2387 [18:02:28] <roswell> dob1, depends on how exactly it's
not working
2388 [18:02:46] <greycat> you need to give a LOT more information
2389 [18:02:58] <terr__> dob1, can you post the command and the
output to termbin?
2390 [18:03:13] <dob1> notmuch show --format=json
--entire-thread=false id:some_mail_id |jq |less -R
2391 [18:03:17] <dob1> *id=
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2393 [18:03:34] <dob1> not ouput
2394 [18:03:37] <greycat> at the very least you have to tell us
what the jq argument is
2395 [18:03:57] <greycat> it's like saying "why
doesn't my command work foo|sed|bar" and then not telling
us what argument you gave to sed.
2396 [18:04:00] <dob1> if I do notmuch show --format=json
--entire-thread=false id:some_mail_id |jq it formats the json output
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2398 [18:04:06] <terr__> greycat, its suppose to be an executable.
2399 [18:04:09] <dob1> it's when I pipe it to less the
problem
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2401 [18:04:19] <greycat> jq is like sed. you give it a program as
an argument.
2402 [18:04:29] <greycat> the program is typically used to extract
one piece of the JSON data stream
2403 [18:05:20] <terr__> greycat, I have never heard of it. But
then I never heard of fold neither. nor why one would want to use it
for "long" strings when all one needs to do is translate
the EOF chars
2404 [18:05:25] <dob1> I was using it to format json to have a
more readable output
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2406 [18:05:48] <dob1> maybe I am using the wrong tool?
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2408 [18:06:16] <greycat> Who knows? You aren't giving us any
way to reproduce your issue. Maybe talk to the #jq channel if
you're struggling with jq.
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2411 [18:07:14] <terr__> jq does not exist in my system.
2412 [18:07:19] <greycat> ,info jq
2413 [18:07:20] <judd> Package jq (utils, optional) in
buster/amd64: lightweight and flexible command-line JSON processor.
Version: 1.5+dfsg-2+b1; Size: 58.0k; Installed: 101k; Homepage:
replaced-url
2414 [18:07:58] <roswell> dob1, try json_pp instead
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2417 [18:08:08] <dob1> ok this is a test: curl -s "replaced-url
2418 [18:08:27] <terr__> greycat, as I recall he piped into less
and did not give less an an argument
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2420 [18:08:40] <terr__> greycat, as I recall he piped into less
and did not give less as an argument
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2423 [18:09:12] <Ede|Popede> dob1: in such situations i usually
save both and compare mysef what could be wrong
2424 [18:09:15] <dob1> roswell, I like the fact that jq uses
colored output, it helps a lot, there is python -m json.tool
2425 [18:09:25] <Ede|Popede> the AI in debian isn't *that*
developed yet
2426 [18:09:27] <greycat> wooledg:~$ curl -s
replaced-url
2427 [18:09:27] <greycat> jq - commandline JSON processor [version
1.5-1-a5b5cbe]
2428 [18:09:28] <greycat> Usage: jq [options] <jq filter>
[file...]
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2431 [18:09:52] <greycat> You have to GIVE jq A FILTER ARGUMENT
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2433 [18:10:11] <terr__> dob1, how does jq output? is it writing
to stdout?
2434 [18:10:22] <dob1> greycat, I am not sure about this, try curl
-s
replaced-url
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2436 [18:10:29] <dob1> terr__, yes
2437 [18:10:30] <greycat> *plonk*
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2439 [18:11:06] <terr__> dob1, can you use > and write it to a
file?
2440 [18:11:12] <terr__> then less the file?
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2442 [18:11:37] <dob1> terr__, no it doesn't work, same
problem like the one with less
2443 [18:11:40] <Ede|Popede> dob1: the only thing that
doesn't work for me is the missing coloring with less. but has
the usual reason
2444 [18:11:40] <greycat> OK, further testing reveals that you can
apparently omit the filter argument if and only if jq's output
is a terminal. Which is NOT THE CASE HERE, and is NOT DOCUMENTED IN
THE USAGE ERROR THAT YOU GET WHEN YOU RUN HIS PIPELINE.
2445 [18:11:52] <terr__> can someone help me get rid of the
timeout on this stupid machine.
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2447 [18:12:19] <greycat> I don't know how a person can read
"Usage: jq [options] <jq filter> [file...]" and
think "Oh hey, I can just omit the <jq filter> part"
and claim to be a Unix user.
2448 [18:12:34] <terr__> Its totally default stretch and I do not
excpect to even install stretch in a working system. But I need to
use it for now.
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2451 [18:12:52] <terr__> greycat, I am sure I have done worse.
2452 [18:12:58] <greycat> I also don't know how a person can
run a command that generates an ENTIRE SCREEN FULL OF ERROR MESSAGE
and claim that it "doesn't work" and not bother
mentioning the fact that there's a whole screen full of error.
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2457 [18:13:50] <greycat> Maybe if he (I'm assuming a being
this dumb has to be male) would actually READ THE ERROR THAT jq
PRODUCED, which explains how to use jq, including the simple
"identity filter" option, it would help him.
2458 [18:13:53] <dob1> ok this works as greycat said curl -s
"replaced-url
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2460 [18:14:08] <dob1> . as filter for not filtering nothing
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2462 [18:14:44] <Ede|Popede> not sure what jq i have installed
exactly, it's /usr/local/bin/jq-linux64 reported as v1.6, maybe
just got it from source because it was newer and something worked on
it at that point that didn't with the repo version. but: it
doesn't ask for any filter (mentions '.' as most
simple one tho), so foo | jq-linux64 | less or jq-linux64 <in
>out work fine
2463 [18:15:12] <greycat> that's post-buster
2464 [18:15:15] <Ede|Popede> all it needs for less -R is its -C
option to keep the colors even in the pipe
2465 [18:15:23] <terr__> greycat, then how can I fins a bag on my
coffee table and comment: I wonder what is in that bag. Pick it up
and comment: Oh! Its my new Raspberry pi ad comment - I should put
it away. Then... a week later have to spend 3 hours looking in my
office and not finding it untill eventually I am in the living room
and haveing no where else to look - take the lid off a CLEAR PLASTIC
BOX and find it!
2466 [18:16:26] <dob1> I tested this, script file.script then curl
-s "replaced-url
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2468 [18:16:32] <greycat> Ede|Popede: and a <jq filter>
2469 [18:16:36] <Ede|Popede> btw, ls --color=always, probably some
more examples around in linux world
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2472 [18:17:32] <Ede|Popede> greycat, may be upstream has changed
in the meantime, but my version works fine like this > curl -s
"replaced-url
2473 [18:17:37] <greycat> with the buster version of jq,
wooledg:~$ echo '{"foo":1}' | jq | cat produces
the usage error
2474 [18:17:37] <francis_murtagh> hi, if i build a package with
shared libraries in /usr/lib/<package>/ instead of /usr/lib/
how can i make it visible once the package is installed without
having to manually update the LD_LIBRARY_PATH
2475 [18:18:16] <dob1> Ede|Popede, you get colored output with
less?
2476 [18:18:19] <greycat> Note how I say things like "it
produces an error", not "it doesn't work".
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2480 [18:18:49] <greycat> Also note how I give the ACTUAL COMMAND
that I used to produce said error.
2481 [18:18:49] <Ede|Popede> dob1: the help output (again, at
least on my version) mentions -C
2482 [18:19:18] <greycat> echo '{"foo":1}' |
jq . | cat gives black-and-white output
2483 [18:19:25] <greycat> echo '{"foo":1}' |
jq -C . | cat gives colored output
2484 [18:19:25] <terr__> greycat, I went to the store to get stuff
for tacos. EG - we have cheese. I count to 3. I need three (3)
things. I can remember that. ok: Tomato. Hamburger. And I scratch my
head. I KNOW there are three (3) things to get. Oh! Right. Tacos. I
might need taco shells.
2485 [18:19:50] <Ede|Popede> usually i need it just for
formatting, default JSON is worse than spaghetti code from the 90s
2486 [18:20:28] <greycat> Usually when I see jq questions,
it's in #bash, and people are using it to extract fields from
JSON, not to format it for eyeballs.
2487 [18:20:31] <dob1> Ede|Popede, indeed it works with -C... you
right, but it's strange imho
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2489 [18:20:51] <greycat> This whole "I am too dumb to read
the error message I just got, help me" level is a new low for
me.
2490 [18:20:57] <Ede|Popede> dob1: why, ls acts the same, in pipes
colors are lost per default
2491 [18:21:35] <terr__> greycat, I lost my phone one time. It was
in my hand.
2492 [18:21:38] <dob1> greycat, it's not for eyeball, it
helps readability
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2495 [18:22:23] <Ede|Popede> b1ack0p, still bored? what about
finding more commands which lose their coloured output when used
with pipes and redirections? (like jq and ls do)
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2497 [18:22:30] <terr__> How to I disable a timeout. This is
default stretch. whatever screen manager stretch uses... and I have
not checked which one. Its just default.
2498 [18:22:32] <dob1> Ede|Popede, I was not sure about this
2499 [18:22:38] <greycat> Ede|Popede: git
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2503 [18:23:44] <Ede|Popede> greycat: my version? may be, but i
don't have git installed, so if, then just plain zip downloand.
just for the sake of clarity, i'll check my downloads of that
time
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2505 [18:24:15] <greycat> Ede|Popede: no... git is an example of a
program with colored output that drops the colors when stdout is not
a tty
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2507 [18:24:43] <greycat> GNU grep, also
2508 [18:24:53] <dob1> taskwarrior too now that I think about this
behaviour
2509 [18:24:58] <Ede|Popede> indeed
replaced-url
2510 [18:25:03] <Ede|Popede> greycat: ah :)
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2518 [18:27:00] <Ede|Popede> i wish curl would also check its
destination... happened more than once to torment my terminal with
its binary output because i forgot -o while concentrating on the
other things in the command line :/
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2532 [18:36:47] <dob1> greycat, I read your previous messages, you
right I was not paying attentions at the error messages, so my bad
for sure
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2542 [18:40:53] <jhutchins_wk> showmount -e returns shares with a
list of IP addresses. Are those active mounts, or access rights?
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2548 [18:44:15] <ctcx> greycat: I tried to add group write
permissions to a directory with ACLs, with "chmod -R g+w".
Command succeeded without error but the change was not applied. I
had to remove ACLs first (setfacl -Rb), chmod g+w again, then add
ACLs again.
2549 [18:44:19] <ctcx> Is this expected?
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2569 [18:53:45] <nerditup> Hey
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2571 [18:54:34] <b1ack0p> Ede|Popede: what kind of commands? O.o
2572 [18:54:48] <ctcx> jelly: do you happen to know stuff about
posix permissions and ACLs?
2573 [18:55:04] <greycat> !ask
2574 [18:55:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
2575 [18:55:11] <Ede|Popede> b1ack0p: jq and ls don't use
colors with redirections per default ;)
2576 [18:55:17] <greycat> "Don't ... pick one person to
ask ..."
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2578 [18:55:39] <b1ack0p> didnt know that :p
2579 [18:55:40] <Ede|Popede> b1ack0p: i thought since you're
bored so often i'd help you getting rid of it ;)
2580 [18:55:47] <b1ack0p> lol thx
2581 [18:56:10] <b1ack0p> someone tried to teach me php-sql to get
rid of boredom otherday
2582 [18:56:22] <b1ack0p> but i was lazy reading tutorials so he
gave up teaching i guess :/
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2584 [18:56:30] <b1ack0p> i couldnt concentrate at all
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2593 [19:04:50] <mindlessmiss> hi how can i add sudo to my
account? [sudo] password for xmelzax:
2594 [19:04:50] <mindlessmiss> xmelzax is not in the sudoers file.
This incident will be reported.
2595 [19:04:50] <mindlessmiss> xmelzax@Thinkcentre-ethernet:~$ su
2596 [19:04:50] <mindlessmiss> Password:
2597 [19:04:50] <mindlessmiss>
root@Thinkcentre-ethernet:/home/xmelzax# sudo adduser xmelzax sudo
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2600 [19:05:23] <mindlessmiss> sorry for flood
2601 [19:05:27] <joepublic> one way is with visudo
2602 [19:05:29] <greycat> mindlessmiss: you need to log out and
back in to pick up the new groups
2603 [19:05:45] <joepublic> ah, missed the group.
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2605 [19:06:25] <mindlessmiss> are you talking to me joepublic
2606 [19:06:35] <b1ack0p> mindlessmiss: sudo adduser user ..
2607 [19:06:38] <joepublic> ignore me and listen to grey.cat
please
2608 [19:06:42] <mindlessmiss> I did that
2609 [19:06:55] <b1ack0p> then logout
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2612 [19:07:12] <mindlessmiss> hmm ok I'll try again, thanks
brb
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2615 [19:07:52] <b1ack0p> okk
2616 [19:07:56] <jehorn> Yeah, just do as suggested sudo visudo
then put something like username ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL or something
underneath the root entry
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2618 [19:08:13] <afidegnum> is debian 10 available in production?
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2620 [19:08:33] <greycat> jehorn: there's no need to do that
in Debian. Debian provides a line like that for the sudo group. Just
add yourself to that group, and you have unrestricted sudo access.
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2622 [19:08:49] <greycat> !buster
2623 [19:08:49] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current
<stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06.
"Buster" is Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story, see
replaced-url
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2628 [19:09:21] <greycat> Buster (Debian 10) was released last
summer, and has had 3 point releases so far.
2629 [19:09:42] <mindlessmiss> thank yyou guys greycat joepublic
b1ack0p it's working now
2630 [19:10:29] <joepublic> phenomenal cosmic power.
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2632 [19:11:06] <afidegnum> can i start using it in production?
2633 [19:11:16] <greycat> yes
2634 [19:11:59] <afidegnum> ok
2635 [19:12:04] <jehorn> Buster is the latest release, it's
stable.
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2637 [19:12:15] <afidegnum> ok
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2647 [19:15:26] <annadane> some people like to wait until x.1 or
x.2 but you can basically start using stable upon release
2648 [19:15:44] <greycat> we're up to buster.3 now, so those
two hurdles are long past us
2649 [19:15:45] <annadane> x.1 is probably enough to get rid of
most of the bugs
2650 [19:16:25] <JustASlacker> what does the "clean"
file do in a debian package ?
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2672 [19:25:33] <Akuw_> i have a file, and inside that file there
is a binary digit. I need to convert from binary to decimal
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2674 [19:26:00] <greycat> Please give us an example of what you
mean by "binary digit". Also, is that the ONLY thing in
the file, or do you have to extract it?
2675 [19:26:30] <greycat> Uh... also, do you mean in the
file's *name* or in the file's *content*?
2676 [19:27:14] <Akuw_> if i use "xxd -b cont.no" i get
"00000000: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000001 ...."
2677 [19:27:25] <Akuw_> but i need decimal format
2678 [19:27:51] <chmykh> Hello dear Debian users! Is it true
Debian is most popular and big distro in the world?
2679 [19:27:54] <greycat> Is the entire file 4 bytes long?
2680 [19:28:15] <Akuw_> yes
2681 [19:28:21] <greycat> Also, is this 4-byte integer in big
endian format, or little endian format?
2682 [19:28:38] <greycat> (I'm guessing big endian, but ...)
2683 [19:29:18] <mindlessmiss> what's the best file system to
format a partition I would like to share between my win10 and debian
dual boot setup? Eg I hope to have C:\Users\xxx and ~/home/xxx. both
pointing to the same partition. Haven't really messed with
linux in the past 5-10 years or so and I guess there are
better/new/improved file systems nowadays.. which if any work
reliably with both win10 and debian? or any reeason not to do it
this way and just have 2 seperate
2684 [19:29:18] <mindlessmiss> locations synced
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2690 [19:32:04] <Akuw_> greycat: i dont know
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2692 [19:32:42] <jhutchins_wk> mindlessmiss: ntfs is the only
thing that Windows understands.
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2695 [19:33:30] <greycat> Akuw_: is this what you want?
replaced-url
2696 [19:33:37] <jhutchins_wk> Akuw_: If that's on a standard
ext filesystem on AMD64 Linux, the decimal value is 1.
2697 [19:34:15] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: if we assume it's a
big-endian 32-bit int, then yeah. That's what I'm
guessing.
2698 [19:34:28] <greycat> has nothing to do with file systems
2699 [19:34:42] <Akuw_> perl -e '$x = <STDIN>; print
unpack("N",$x), "\n"'
2700 [19:34:47] <Akuw_> works for me
2701 [19:35:19] <Akuw_> is there another way using some linux
command?
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2703 [19:35:25] <greycat> *plonk*
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2705 [19:36:07] <petn-randall> Akuw_: perl is not a "linux
command"?
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2707 [19:36:35] <Akuw_> is a Programming Language
2708 [19:36:35] <greycat> is gcc a linux command? you could write
it in C instead of perl.
2709 [19:36:54] <Akuw_> i mean, using xxd ?
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2713 [19:39:23] <petn-randall> Akuw_: If xxd can do that, the man
page will tell you.
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2717 [19:40:01] <jmd> So I've just downloaded
debian-10.3.0-i386-netinst.iso, copied it to an device, booted from
that device. Very shortly it asks me where my CDrom drive is. I
don't have one, and thus the installation refuses to proceed.
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2719 [19:40:39] <jmd> Actually, I haven't seen a machine wiht
a CDROM drive for several years. How do I install debian on a
machine without one?
2720 [19:41:40] <Akuw_> man xxd
2721 [19:41:41] <greycat> Hmm, my perl thing fails if the input
file contains a newline byte... I am really bad at perl. :(
2722 [19:41:52] <Akuw_> hehehehe
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2725 [19:42:15] <mindlessmiss> hmm ok well does linux and ntfs
play nice together nowadays? like back when I used to use both I
often had trouble with windows often refusing to mount ntfs drives
that has been improperly unmounted in linux or vice versa.. I'm
assuming..well hoping that now 15 years later there has been
simprovement
2726 [19:42:45] <mindlessmiss> jmb with a usb stick
2727 [19:43:02] <jmd> Yes. and how does that help?
2728 [19:43:09] <petn-randall> mindlessmiss: Windows 10 will not
unmount the drive when you shut down, it actually hibernates. Making
your dual boot idea more difficult.
2729 [19:43:37] <mindlessmiss> you puyt the iso on a usb stick and
boot the pc from that
2730 [19:43:42] <PaddyF> you can hit "shift" when you
reboot or shutdown. it wont hibernate then
2731 [19:43:48] <jmd> That's what I have done.
2732 [19:43:53] <petn-randall> jmd: Sounds like you didn't
prepare the image properly. Which tools did you use for that?
2733 [19:43:57] <mindlessmiss> petn-randall, i can get rid of
hibernate
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2736 [19:44:22] <jmd> I just downloaded it from the website,
copied it to a stick and booted from it.
2737 [19:44:27] <petn-randall> mindlessmiss: Then you still have
the problem that NTS can't do unix file permissions.
2738 [19:44:32] <greycat> this one works with newlines in the
input file: perl -e 'read STDIN, $x, 4; print
unpack("N",$x), "\n"' < bar
2739 [19:44:41] <petn-randall> jmd: *How* did you copy it to the
stick?
2740 [19:44:45] <jmd> dd
2741 [19:44:48] <mindlessmiss> actually jmd i had the same issue
recently, I think that using DD mode in rufus did the trick
2742 [19:44:55] <jmd> what else would you have done?
2743 [19:45:19] <mindlessmiss> or try the other one, not DD
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2745 [19:45:23] <petn-randall> jmd: Did you dd it to the naked
block device, or the first partition?
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2747 [19:45:34] <jmd> the naked device.
2748 [19:45:41] <petn-randall> mindlessmiss: rufus is usually a
bad choice.
2749 [19:45:43] <petn-randall> !rufus
2750 [19:45:43] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make
bootable USB devices under Windows. Debian CD/DVD images MUST be
written in "DD Mode," otherwise it mangles the installer
in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask
me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>,
<win32diskimager>.
2751 [19:45:45] <jmd> mindlessmiss: rufus mode?
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2756 [19:46:35] <mindlessmiss> ok sorry petn-randall , I prefer it
over others I have used as I have old ass PC with MBR as well as a
newer one
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2761 [19:49:16] <terr__> dob1, its easy to miss the obvious when
you are in the swamp so to speak up to your neck and you don't
know what to look for.
2762 [19:49:53] * jmd reboots and tries again
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2765 [19:49:57] <greycat> does a screen full of a usage error
count as obvious?
2766 [19:51:31] <terr__> greycat, how about my phone in my hand?
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2768 [19:51:59] <terr__> I have the screen lock problem solved.
:-) trivial. as in obvious.
2769 [19:52:42] <greycat> perpetual motion bird on the ctrl key?
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2772 [19:54:33] <terr__> Rufus is not installed in this system. I
can get it - but I don't know why I would want it. I pasted the
contents of /boot/grub here:
replaced-url
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2776 [19:56:39] <openbsdtai123> Does Intel + Microsoft will
erradicate Legacy boot in the future? Maybe Debian should make deals
with Microsoft to keep legacy alive. Giving and taking.
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2778 [19:57:09] <greycat> isn't that really in the hands of
the motherboard/firmware makers?
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2781 [19:57:43] <terr__> openbsdtai123, I doubt it is possible to
make a deal with the ev empire
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2785 [19:59:54] <terr__> openbsdtai123, I actually did find the
install media for NT4.0 So it is possible that older versions like
windows 7 may still be available - its just they will not be updated
from what I can tell.
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2792 [20:02:17] <mindlessmiss> so for the third time in as many
hours this pc with a fresh install of debian netinstall has just
suddenlyhad the screen go standby and the PC seems to also..
pressing keys etc does nothing but if I press the power button it
wakes up immediatly (like instant, it never went to actual sleep coz
otherwise it'd take way longer to comeback) but the ethernet
drops immediatly and I cannot get it back up until I do a full
reboot. any suggestions on where
2793 [20:02:17] <mindlessmiss> to begin to try to figure out
what's going on
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2795 [20:02:31] <openbsdtai123> terr__: it is possible because MS
want Linux now.
2796 [20:02:56] <openbsdtai123> Microsoft will take Linux to his
code source - it started already to eat linux like nothing.
2797 [20:03:13] <openbsdtai123> It would be time to accept to
collaborate with Microsoft.
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2799 [20:03:31] <terr__> mindlessmiss, just a wild ass(embler)
guess - what of your "hot" key?
2800 [20:03:36] <provocateur> NO collaboration with GPL
2801 [20:03:42] <provocateur> fuck microsoft
2802 [20:04:21] <mindlessmiss> terr__, I dont have any hot keys
asfaik, I know I definately did not accidentaly hit anything
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2804 [20:04:45] <terr__> openbsdtai123, nope. I suspect nobody
will do it. And Microsoft has had source code available all along -
and I was told the original Internet TCP/IP stacks were borrowed
from OpenBSD
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2806 [20:05:16] <greycat> it would have been plain BSD, not Open
or Net or Free
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2808 [20:05:48] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Don't you just
disable fastboot to keep it from hibernating?
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2810 [20:06:13] <ratrace> terr__: openbsd did not even exist then
2811 [20:06:18] <terr__> damn. I left clicked on
debian-10.3.0-i386-netinst.iso. Here it comes via this stupid
browser. left click is not suppose to download the file.
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2814 [20:06:57] <terr__> ratrace, it did because I was using it.
The headquarters are here. I happen to know theo
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2817 [20:07:21] <terr__> this was back in the windows 3.1 days.
2818 [20:07:26] <mindlessmiss> wow, cool
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2821 [20:07:44] <greycat> "Windows 3.1, made generally
available on March 1, 1992,"
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2823 [20:08:00] <greycat> " Theo de Raadt created OpenBSD in
1995 "
2824 [20:08:11] <terr__> ratrace, greycat ya - I have it - looked
at it and bought a copy of OS/2
2825 [20:08:15] <greycat> both from wikipedia, separate pages
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2828 [20:08:59] <terr__> greycat, then we need to check when
windows got internet access. I never did anything with the internet
until about 1997.
2829 [20:09:12] <terr__> and I started with OpenBSD on my servers
and firewalls.
2830 [20:09:37] <ratrace> terr__: negative. windows TCP stack is
based on berkeley sockets which originated in 4.2BSD unix, long long
time before OpenBSD was forked
2831 [20:09:40] <terr__> greycat, I never actually checked any
dates... on this.
2832 [20:09:44] <mindlessmiss> what did you serve with your
servers
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2838 [20:10:40] <terr__> ratrace, I would think the OpenBSD fork
would have used the same code stack. So I am corrected - not
"openBSD" stack but "BSD" stack. WHen did
FreeBSD fork()
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2840 [20:10:59] <greycat> OpenBSD forked from NetBSD, I believe.
Not sure about Free.
2841 [20:11:02] <terr__> mindless - its still running -
replaced-url
2842 [20:11:10] <terr__> if for our running club.
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2844 [20:11:21] <terr__> its for our running club.
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2848 [20:12:16] <ratrace> freebsd and netbsd have common ancestor.
replaced-url
2849 [20:12:19] <terr__> the discussion seemed to go something
like they needed TCP/IP in OS/2 so used the *BSD code
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2854 [20:12:57] <terr__> myconnection is pretty good - I'll
have yet anotehr copy of buster
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2860 [20:14:09] <terr__> what I do NOT want to do is burn a CD. I
can. I can use an SD as well. I would like to be able to install
from a running copy of linux and in this case Stretch. I expect to
have to do this fairly often.
2861 [20:14:37] <greycat> !debootstrap
2862 [20:14:38] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
replaced-url
2863 [20:14:50] <terr__> I have a Raspberry pi and will need to
install Raspian (most likely) and I may need custom kernels.
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2866 [20:15:03] <terr__> greycat, already done.
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2869 [20:15:58] <mindlessmiss> terr__, cool im still trying to
figure out the definition of hash
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2875 [20:17:18] <mindlessmiss> oh duh ok nvm
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2877 [20:17:38] <terr__> its our runing club - we started in Kuala
Lumpur in 1938. We are world wide.
2878 [20:17:40] <openbsdtai123> terr__: I am master of rpi3b ;)
2879 [20:17:54] <terr__> great.
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2881 [20:17:59] <openbsdtai123> we have a cool website for rpi3b :
replaced-url
2882 [20:18:00] <terr__> I have a 4B.
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2884 [20:18:16] <openbsdtai123> we have a cool website for rpi3b :
replaced-url
2885 [20:18:44] <openbsdtai123> 4b meets raspbian new or netbsd ;)
2886 [20:18:54] <mindlessmiss> terr__, sounds fun i'd prob
drop dead if I even attempted to jog a fewmetres
2887 [20:19:47] <terr__> openbsdtai123, I have to get these old
laptops installed - then - I install Debian into the 64 bit towers
(I have two of them as well as these two laptops) and THEN... get
USB 3 running on a proper docking station (not hub - dockings
stations do a LOT more and cost about the same) and THEN... get at
my pi.
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2889 [20:21:40] <openbsdtai123> I would use devuan for older
hardware - it runs much faster than debian.
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2891 [20:22:17] <openbsdtai123> the pi is good - but beware that
it is not opensource.
2892 [20:22:31] <openbsdtai123> If you want reallly opensource,
there are much better boards.
2893 [20:22:47] <openbsdtai123> Anyhow linux kernel is no longer
opensource - completely.
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2895 [20:23:27] <terr__> mindlessmiss, I can't do it now.
walking for 40 minutes? I'm in bed for a day.
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2899 [20:24:25] <terr__> openbsdtai123, I do not really expect to
use these laptops... only If I need to tote a computer somewhere.
2900 [20:25:07] <terr__> I did not know about the opensource
issues with the pi. I can return it.
2901 [20:25:15] <terr__> box is not opened.
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2903 [20:25:31] <openbsdtai123> ah... old laptops, I use them
usually for freebsd - for monitoring, networking,... file server
especially.
2904 [20:25:39] <terr__> I just need a reason to do so. WE happen
to buy a lot from the vendor.
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2907 [20:26:06] <terr__> openbsdtai123, I use them because I
bought them for $550 bux each
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2909 [20:26:09] <terr__> openbsdtai123, I use them because I
bought them for $50 bux each
2910 [20:26:18] <openbsdtai123> well, to go arm board opensource,
it needs more experience and probably BSD knowledge. A RPI 3 or 4
runs well xfce4 or raspbian.
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2913 [20:27:23] <terr__> I may end up (likely WILL) end up with
code in the machine... in fact I think I know what code and it runs
in both BSD and Linux.
2914 [20:27:29] <openbsdtai123> the PI are good with raspbian,
besides it is slow with gaming 3d like with beautiful graphics.
retropie works well.
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2916 [20:28:08] <terr__> I have no interest in that. I need to
pick up async messages from CNC controllers.
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2925 [20:32:21] <terr__> I can use fork() and GLibc functions like
select() for this. Hopefully its all there.
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2928 [20:32:50] <terr__> openbsdtai123, I had that code running
before 2000
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2930 [20:33:06] <terr__> I've been away from the keyboard for
a while.
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2935 [20:34:39] <terr__> well I did not expect this. windows
decided to mount the .iso... so now I know I can look at it in
windows... not that I care much.
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2958 [20:46:23] <paulmz> hi i have a nice debian setup. i
installed 10.2 from live iso a few weeks ago, have upgraded packages
but also installed a bunch of new ones. i want to reinstall, is
there a way to get a list of everything i have installed that was
not in the base distro? tx
2959 [20:46:43] <greycat> there's no need to *separate* the
list into pieces.
2960 [20:46:53] <greycat> just "dpkg --get-selections >
a_file"
2961 [20:47:12] <greycat> !debian clone
2962 [20:47:12] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to
take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you
want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections >
~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other
machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections <
~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask
me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to
backup> <apt-clone>.
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2975 [20:52:44] <terr__> Who is the anal retentive who dreamed up
in KDE that we can flip the display upside down?
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2978 [20:53:04] <greycat> someone with a laptop or tablet, most
likely
2979 [20:53:09] <terr__> I am short of desk space. I can hang it
from the ceiling.
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2982 [20:53:45] <terr__> Damn - now Kirsten Dunst has nothing on
us! We can be upside down too.
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2994 [20:58:27] <jhutchins_wk> A co-worker has a sticker that says
"Linux is user friendly. It's just very picky about who
it's friends are."
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2997 [20:58:47] <greycat> I hope they fix the spelling of its.
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3002 [21:00:55] <mindlessmiss> was quite common on some graphics
card software in windows having a hotkey that flipped the screen
upsidedown accidentally pressed by unsuspecting user
3003 [21:01:14] <jhutchins_wk> I believe that's the correct
contraction of "it is".
3004 [21:01:27] <mindlessmiss> lol
3005 [21:01:29] <greycat> the second one should be its.
3006 [21:01:33] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, second its. Yes sticker is
correct.
3007 [21:01:53] <jhutchins_wk> Human is incorrect.
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3023 [21:06:51] <terr__> its is quite possesive
3024 [21:07:04] <terr__> and I can't spell.
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3029 [21:11:04] <mindlessmiss> theirs no excuse for you're
mistakes
3030 [21:11:15] <annadane> *twitch*
3031 [21:11:39] <mindlessmiss> go back too school
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3040 [21:16:24] <annadane> skool*
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3042 [21:16:48] <_DeLa_> Is there a way to purge unused kernels
with a terminal command WITHOUT knowing the exact kernel name on
Debian 10? So just a terminal command I can run every now and then
to check for and the automatically purge unused kernels?
3043 [21:17:07] <terr__> annadane, are you Norwegian?
3044 [21:17:19] <greycat> I think "apt autoremove" is
supposed to keep only 2 kern images by default
3045 [21:17:39] <terr__> greycat, we could be crass and say just
rm
3046 [21:17:55] <annadane> _DeLa_, you can always look in /boo
3047 [21:17:56] <annadane> t
3048 [21:18:18] <annadane> and then it's
linux-image-4.whatever
3049 [21:18:22] <_DeLa_> greycat: I am using this in my bash
script already. Can I change the value of kernels to keep to 0
somehow?
3050 [21:18:23] <annadane> or 5, or whatever you're using
3051 [21:18:25] <terr__> sure there is a way. Is the kernel that
is running keep its load file open?
3052 [21:18:43] <jehorn> I agree with that, look in /boot, easiest
to see what kernels are installed
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3055 [21:19:10] <greycat> take a look at
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels
3056 [21:19:27] <terr__> _DeLa_, I have to check this - but I
think there is a symlink to the active kernel.
3057 [21:19:41] <_DeLa_> For an overview of what kernels are
installed I prefer the following command: dpkg --list | egrep -i
--color 'linux-image|linux-headers'
3058 [21:19:49] <terr__> its been over a decade since I built a
kernel.
3059 [21:20:38] <terr__> _DeLa_, I am figuring out how to manually
install a kernel and then get grub to boot it.
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3061 [21:21:22] <jehorn> It's been a while since I've
built a kernel too. I usually make sure I keep the previous build
around just in case the kernel I built gets jacked up in some way. I
just boot the older kernel.
3062 [21:21:45] <_DeLa_> greycat: there it says: DO NOT EDIT! File
autogenerated by /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal
3063 [21:21:46] <_DeLa_> So, checking for that now
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3065 [21:23:22] <jehorn> I've done some custom builds before,
also done Linux From Scratch. Much success with that.
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3067 [21:23:38] <_DeLa_> greycat: errmmm...seems out of my league
to edit that file ....but I guess ...2 kernels to keep should be ok!
3068 [21:24:09] <greycat> yeah, there are no obvious configuration
variables to tweak that shell script
3069 [21:24:14] <_DeLa_> I do need every bit of storage I can get
with my 32gb netbook, but it still should be ok there ;-)
3070 [21:25:22] <greycat> my first guess would be the
$previous_version variable that it sets and then uses
3071 [21:25:44] <terr__> jehorn, I have done both OpenBSD and
Linux from scratch (well the kernels) - packages - they were fine.
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3073 [21:26:27] <greycat> commenting out the line that says
previous_version="$(echo ..." might do the trick, but this
is *not* a supported edit, so make sure you have a fallback plan
3074 [21:26:27] <terr__> jehorn, all I wanted to do was move the
SCSI drivers into the kernel so I did not need to mount them
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3076 [21:27:07] <terr__> WOW - so now I find that Dolphin is
accessing the partition tables. It is showing me stuff that is not
mounted.
3077 [21:27:23] <jehorn> Ah, That's awesome, I've
attempted to build NetBSD, I never got around to finishing it. - It
was a little more than I expected
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3081 [21:28:18] <terr__> I know I am going to have fun with pi.
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3085 [21:29:02] <_DeLa_> greycat: ok, thanks! for now, I'll
play it safe and not change anything. Still have about 7GB left on
my 32GB netbook. Thanks to Debian 😍
3086 [21:29:04] <terr__> there was a multiboot howto that totally
spelled out how to set up multiboot using LILO. Is there such a
beast for grub?
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3090 [21:29:27] <terr__> delli3_, get yourself an SD card.
3091 [21:29:30] <somiaj> _DeLa_: the default is useful if the new
kernel fails and makes your machine unbootable
3092 [21:29:49] <_DeLa_> somiaj: I see
3093 [21:30:07] <terr__> clone your system and do it on the
removeable media. Having two machines helps as well.
3094 [21:30:08] <greycat> terr__: if the os-prober package is
installed, every time update-grub runs, it'll search the whole
system for various other operating systems and put them in the GRUB
menu automatically
3095 [21:30:20] <somiaj> _DeLa_: In most cases the current running
kernel = current version in debian, or previous version (since you
just installed a new kernel)
3096 [21:30:47] <terr__> greycat, so it goes drive by drive...
partition by partition... right?
3097 [21:30:52] <greycat> yes
3098 [21:31:01] <terr__> okay - perfect!
3099 [21:31:11] <somiaj> terr__: there are lots of guids, though
grub in debian generates the config file (so you can't just
edit the config file). Instead you need to make a script in
/etc/grub.d/ to generate the entry. There is a README and some
example scripts there you can use.
3100 [21:31:13] <terr__> update-grub didn't work.
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3103 [21:31:50] <somiaj> one of those scripts is
/etc/grub.d/30_os-prober/ which tries to figure out if you have any
other oses (assuming standard installs)
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3106 [21:32:26] <terr__> let me look for the readme.
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3108 [21:33:09] <somiaj> so if os-prober isn't detecting your
other os, you'll have to manually make a script that adds the
correct entry to grub to boot it.
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3116 [21:38:02] <jehorn> Oh yeah, I almost forgot I had a question
myself. Does anyone know if there is a GUI tool for viewing Debian
bug lists from the desktop, like not in a browser?
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3118 [21:38:59] <terr__> hang on - I am checking things.
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3121 [21:39:23] <terr__> there is no grub.d
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3123 [21:39:41] <greycat> there should absolutely be an
/etc/grub.d/ directory.
3124 [21:39:44] <terr__> I am looking at the .iso
3125 [21:39:54] <greycat> ... on an installed system.
3126 [21:40:11] <jehorn> Yeah, there really must be a grub.d dir
3127 [21:40:54] <terr__> and I am not familiar with dolphin. But
so far - its not quite as confusing as windows. Issue - showing me
partitions which are not mounted. What did it do? Mount them
anyways?
3128 [21:42:03] <terr__> So now I know. DOlphin will run
executables.
3129 [21:42:19] <terr__> will it brush my teeth as well.
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3133 [21:43:25] <terr__> 1-_linux is a script. lets see what it
does.
3134 [21:43:35] <terr__> 10_linux
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3136 [21:44:12] <terr__> nice - I had kate on my lap. And
she's now playing with a new file.
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3140 [21:45:30] <b1ack0p> boooring evening..
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3144 [21:47:09] <terr__> if I run update-grub then the issue is
this: The system is running stretch on a USB stick. The one I'm
installing is on an HDD. I presume update-grub will update the wrong
file. I also have grub.d on the loopback.
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3146 [21:47:56] <terr__> time for a break. But no beer until I get
this done.
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3153 [21:49:13] <noqnio1> Hi. How do I safely stop
unattended-upgrades? It has been running for over an hour, 100% on
one core
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3156 [21:50:40] <noqnio1> I already disabled it using dpkg
reconfigure, but I'm afraid to just kill it
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3158 [21:51:05] <digdilem> noqnio1, anything in the logs to say
why it's being slow? or is the connection really bad?
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3160 [21:51:10] <digdilem> it should be safe to kill anyway,
though
3161 [21:51:12] <somiaj> noqnio1: might depend on where it is in
the 'upgrade'. May times if you 'kill an
upgrade', you can recover by just running 'dpkg
--configure -a' (to configure all partially configured
packages)
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3164 [21:51:42] <somiaj> killing during the download is fully
safe, killing during the install phase is mostly safe, but depending
on what you intrrupt could have issues with that particular package.
3165 [21:52:04] <digdilem> r .I'd be inclined to be patient
and let it run
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3167 [21:52:43] <greycat> 100% cpu from
"unattended-upgrades" (not one of its grandchildren) is
pretty ominous to begin with
3168 [21:52:50] <somiaj> the fact that it is using 100% cpu sounds
like it is in the install stage, wonder if one of the pre/post
install scripts has hit a snag.
3169 [21:53:04] <greycat> somiaj: or it's a bug
3170 [21:53:12] <digdilem> unless it's a fast machine
,I'd still let it run
3171 [21:53:17] <somiaj> yea, I didn't condier that it most
likely uses childern to do the actual work.
3172 [21:53:23] <greycat> the important question is exactly *what*
process is spinning
3173 [21:53:39] <digdilem> be surprised if it's a bug, as
it's a well used and generally trusted thing
3174 [21:53:49] <noqnio1> last log message was: "2020-02-12
21:07:34,959 WARNING package gdal-bin upgradable but fails to be
marked for upgrade"
3175 [21:54:10] <noqnio1> and I issued a kill, and now it spews
"WARNING SIGTERM received, will stop" every 3 seconds
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3177 [21:54:48] <greycat> digdilem: I'm less optimistic.
3178 [21:54:50] <noqnio1> ok damn this, I will kill -9
3179 [21:55:01] <digdilem> have the fire extinguisher handy
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3182 [21:55:40] <noqnio1> Well, lets see how that goes :D
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3185 [21:57:11] <jhutchins_wk> digdilem: Did you try a regular
kill first?
3186 [21:57:20] <jhutchins_wk> It's probably hit something
that wants input.
3187 [21:57:27] <digdilem> wrong guy, but he did
3188 [21:57:30] <Guest11476> !kill9
3189 [21:57:30] <dpkg> No, no, no! Don't use kill -9. It
doesn't give the process a chance to clean up after itself.
First try kill -15; then try kill -2; then try kill -1.
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3191 [21:57:42] <greycat> the SIGTERM error message strongly
indicates that a regular kill was performed
3192 [21:58:15] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: So it does.
3193 [21:58:30] <jhutchins_wk> So yeah, a -0 was in order.
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3195 [21:58:42] <noqnio1> ah.. I tried a normal kill, and it got
stuck
3196 [21:58:42] <jhutchins_wk> So yeah, a -9 was in order.
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3199 [21:59:55] <noqnio1> Okay.. time to go from stable to
testing.. Fingers crossed
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3203 [22:00:55] <jhutchins_wk> noqnio1: Did you complete the
previous upgrade, the one that hung?
3204 [22:01:19] <noqnio1> I don't think it ever started to be
honest
3205 [22:01:30] <noqnio1> no complaints from apt-get
3206 [22:01:47] <noqnio1> is seems that unattended-upgrades never
executed dpkg either
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3213 [22:03:01] <somiaj> noqnio1: seems like a bug in the logic
about determining if a package should be upgraded or not
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3215 [22:03:23] <somiaj> noqnio1: also I heard 'testing'
there, did you have testing in your sources when unattended-upgrades
hit this issue?
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3219 [22:04:47] <oft_gegong> so what is kill -0? kill -15 -2 -1 -9
#is the proper order?
3220 [22:04:47] <noqnio1> I just changed the pinning and put
testing on a higher priority, then it executed at the perfect moment
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3223 [22:05:38] <greycat> kill -0 in this case was a typo.
It's a thing, but it's not relevant to the current
discussino.
3224 [22:05:54] <somiaj> yea, it really isn't designed for
that, if you want to explore this figure, you could see why the
logic fails, but maybe it won't get much notice due to using it
in a testing upgrade
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3226 [22:06:00] <greycat> you can get more info about the various
signals from "man 7 signal"
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3229 [22:06:44] <noqnio1> I get I got unlucky then.. Can I somehow
verify that everything is okay before upgrading? Apt does not
complain about anything, and dpkg's logs are empty
3230 [22:07:05] * jhutchins_wk dutifully goes and re-reads the manpage.
3231 [22:07:41] <somiaj> sounds like unattended-upgrades failed in
its logic of figuring out what to upgrade (before even getting to
the upgrade), so most likely it did nothing to your system and you
are fine.
3232 [22:07:41] <greycat> if "apt-get -f install" and
"dpkg --configure -a" don't do anything, it's in
a clean state
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3235 [22:08:13] <noqnio1> looks good! Thanks
3236 [22:08:16] <terr__> when I look at the install CD
(buster.iso) I see in /boot/grub only efi stuff. How come no
reference to MBR?
3237 [22:08:36] <noqnio1> Does it make sense to trigger the
upgrade from a different virtual console?
3238 [22:08:51] <greycat> you're MOUNTING a debian installer
ISO image?! gods... you're probably not even seeing the whole
thing, then.
3239 [22:08:56] <noqnio1> I always have the irrational fear that
if the DE crashes it will stop the process
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3241 [22:09:07] <greycat> debian installers use a "hybrid
iso" format that's 2/3 voodoo
3242 [22:09:13] <somiaj> noqnio1: often suggested to upgrade from
an actually tty (not virtual console) just incase
xorg/screen/tmux/whatever console you are using crashes during th
eupgrade
3243 [22:09:23] <greycat> this is because people insisted on being
able to boot them from USB mass storage devices as well as CDs
3244 [22:09:38] <greycat> !debian-boot
3245 [22:09:43] <greycat> !d-i
3246 [22:09:43] <dpkg> Information about the development of the
debian-installer is at the developers page
replaced-url
3247 [22:09:45] <somiaj> terr__: what matters is not what is in
/boot/grub, but what grub-install does (does it install grub into
the mbr or an efi partition)
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3249 [22:09:53] <noqnio1> Awesome, thanks
3250 [22:09:57] <greycat> if you're trying to tear apart the
debian installer, start there
3251 [22:11:19] <terr__> there are NO EFI partition on this
machine. It does not support them. If there are - the machine cannot
use them.
3252 [22:11:42] <greycat> dpkg, debian-boot is <reply>see
d-i
3253 [22:11:43] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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3255 [22:12:12] <somiaj> terr__: sure, which method grub-install
uses depends on if using grub-pci or grub-efi, and the installer
uses the one based off of how you boot it. If you boot the installer
using legacy boot, it will then use grub-pc to put grub in the mbr
3256 [22:12:13] <terr__> somiaj, I am looking at what is on the
LiveCD - the install media if I write it to something and boot from
it - and it confuses me that I see only EFI stuff.
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3258 [22:13:17] <greycat> -live is a *whole* other story
3259 [22:13:24] <greycat> !debian-live
3260 [22:13:24] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built
Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT
recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from
replaced-url
3261 [22:13:35] <greycat> note that those things each have their
OWN separate channel on OFTC
3262 [22:13:40] <somiaj> lots of things a live image dose
won't translate to what an actually install does.
3263 [22:13:42] <terr__> somiaj, I do not see either grub-pci nor
grub-efi
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3266 [22:14:00] <somiaj> terr__: I think we have an xy-problem
here. What is your actual goal?
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3272 [22:16:33] <terr__> okay - I probably got that mixed up. I
downloaded the netinstall package from here:
replaced-url
3273 [22:16:42] <terr__> I better double check that!
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3276 [22:18:26] <terr__> cd ..
3277 [22:18:29] <terr__> dir -al
3278 [22:18:37] <terr__> wrong computer.
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3280 [22:20:03] <somiaj> either way, continue, what is your goal?
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3285 [22:21:34] <annadane> til "dir" exists
3286 [22:22:00] <terr__> somiaj, I want to install without using
external media and booting into it - I should be able to do this
without anyting other than populate the HDD. I can run the
underlying scripts. Reason. (other than I'm anal) - I expect to
have to do this several times. it is a pain to have to go get
external media each time I needs to do this.
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3291 [22:22:54] <somiaj> terr__: in practice I think people use
preseeds with external media (really you just need to download any
10.x installer, and can upgrade from there, so you only have to
create one install media).
3292 [22:23:08] <jhutchins_wk> terr__: What do you mean by
external media?
3293 [22:23:09] <somiaj> terr__: though what you are doing, looks
up 'install debian with deboostrap'
3294 [22:23:18] <somiaj> terr__: 'install debian with
debootstrap'
3295 [22:23:22] <terr__> somiaj, I can cd right now into the .iso.
and I can run the stuff. I can do a chroot - and maybe I need to...
and I can mount /dev/sdc3
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3297 [22:23:47] <somiaj> terr__: you don't want to just
'copy' stuff from the installer, what it sounds like you
want to do is use debootstrap from a live image (that is connected
to the internet)
3298 [22:24:04] <terr__> I already ran debootstrap. It looks
perfect
3299 [22:24:11] <somiaj> !fixmbr
3300 [22:24:12] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
3301 [22:24:48] <somiaj> then basically that above is what you
need, chroot into your install, install grub-pc and an apporpriate
kernel, then grub-install /dev/whatever to the mbr
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3303 [22:24:56] <fuxxy> How to copy /mnt/backupfiles/* to
/mnt/existingdirectory where the backup files are unique, but the
folder structure is identical?
3304 [22:24:57] <terr__> fixmbr
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3307 [22:25:16] <somiaj> terr__: /msg dpkg fixmbr if you want a
record of that factoid
3308 [22:25:31] <terr__> wrong place - I should have been in dpkg
3309 [22:25:36] <greycat> fuxxy: cd /mnt/backupfiles &&
rsync -av . /mnt/existingdirectory/
3310 [22:25:55] <terr__> somiaj, its there - I got it.
3311 [22:25:58] <somiaj> fuxxy: cp -a or rsync -a (as greycat
suggested) can both do the job. rsync is nicer.
3312 [22:26:06] <fuxxy> ahh, thanks
3313 [22:26:40] <terr__> somiaj, what throws me (and I am fat) is
that I do not see /etc and a few other things I would expect in the
.iso.
3314 [22:27:05] <somiaj> terr__: the iso is a live system, it does
things differently (since it actually is running from a virtual root
file system)
3315 [22:27:13] <jhutchins_wk> terr__: The structure of the iso is
not the same as the structure of a normal install./
3316 [22:27:18] <somiaj> what a live system does will not directly
translate to what a normal system will do.
3317 [22:27:45] <terr__> ya - I can see that.
3318 [22:28:00] <terr__> grub-install /dev/sdc <--- note - it
searched!!! & didn't work
3319 [22:28:00] <terr__> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read
correctly.
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3321 [22:28:23] <terr__> I did not have the kernel images
installed... I can do this.
3322 [22:28:23] <somiaj> is /dev/sdc your harddrive or cdrom?
3323 [22:28:34] <terr__> HDD its the target
3324 [22:28:54] <somiaj> and you have both grub-pc and a kernel
installed inside the chroot?
3325 [22:29:02] <terr__> I have booted from a USB stick and have
the .iso on a loopback.
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3327 [22:29:16] <greycat> I'm thinking he didn't even
chroot yet.
3328 [22:29:34] <greycat> i.e. he's running grub-install from
the installer
3329 [22:29:39] <somiaj> terr__: what does that even have to do
with this, the live image, .iso, cd you are booting from
shouldn't be a factor here.
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3331 [22:30:04] <somiaj> and I'm with greycat, you need to
chroot into your install, so you are actually using the software
inside your install.
3332 [22:30:19] <terr__>
replaced-url
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3334 [22:30:28] <terr__> ^^ fdisk -l
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3337 [22:31:41] <terr__> somiaj, it should be because its the .iso
and its read only.
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3339 [22:32:08] <somiaj> ugg, why is my network thinking
termbin.com is a security threat...grr
3340 [22:32:27] <terr__> somiaj, liveCD does NOT have anything to
do with this. I was confused. I double checked.
3341 [22:32:33] <somiaj> terr__: the iso/cd you are booting from
(provided it has a compadable kernel which it should) has no bearing
on this.
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3343 [22:32:45] <terr__> I can chroot and try it again.
3344 [22:32:51] <sponix> somiaj: plain text - reading - must be
hacker oriented !!
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3347 [22:33:17] <somiaj> sponix: yea, I'm sending my network
admins an email about it
3348 [22:33:22] <terr__> somiaj, that is exactly what I thought.
Its a running copy of linux... as long as the scripts can run they
should do the install.
3349 [22:33:31] <sponix> somiaj: I wish you luck
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3351 [22:33:50] <somiaj> but it isn't what you are saying,
you are still talking about what is on the cd/iso/whatever. Have you
chrooted into your new install?
3352 [22:34:16] <terr__> not yet - Let me do that now.
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3356 [22:35:13] <sponix> somiaj: he has been at this for like a
week or more. must be "very" complicated :P
3357 [22:35:39] <terr__> I have a few things mounted. how do I
list the mount points? I want to double check I'm not running
the wrong stuff
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3359 [22:35:47] <somiaj> terr__: did you read the factoid the bot
sent, 'chrooting' is an important part of the process.
3360 [22:35:59] <terr__> sponix, na - I'm just not familiar.
3361 [22:36:19] <terr__> well I have it now... I did not know of
it before.
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3366 [22:42:47] <terr__> well... bash is not installed. I am
surprised but I didn't really check what shell I was using.
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3368 [22:43:38] <greycat> unpossible
3369 [22:43:51] <greycat> bash is "Priority: required"
in Debian
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3373 [22:44:08] <greycat> and "Essential: yes" because
one way to say it is not enough
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3375 [22:45:24] <Wulf> Hello! Where can I ask/beg for a backport
of a package to buster-backports?
3376 [22:45:43] <mason> Wulf: Open a bug, or try it yourself -
it's not hard.
3377 [22:45:58] <somiaj> terr__: sounds like you didn't do
the debootstrap part correctly, or aren't actually chrooting
into your install.
3378 [22:46:08] <somiaj> !ssb
3379 [22:46:08] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install
build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source
packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation
options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid
see <uupdate>.
3380 [22:46:10] <terr__> hmmm bash is installed. I have the
buster.iso loop back mounted on /foo, I believe the command is
chroot /foo. If so I get an error '/bin/bash': no such
file or directory
3381 [22:46:18] <terr__> let me check further
3382 [22:46:27] <somiaj> Wulf: ^^ making one yourself is often the
easeist
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3384 [22:46:48] <somiaj> terr__: why are you still trying to mess
with the iso, don't chroot into the iso, chroot into your
actuall install you crated with debootstrap.
3385 [22:46:49] <greycat> sounds like the installation into /foo
was not performed correctly
3386 [22:46:58] <Wulf> mason: packaging it myself isn't an
option, I need it in the debian repo. Company policy.
3387 [22:47:18] <somiaj> no they are trying to chroot into the
isofs on the cdimage, this of course won't work.
3388 [22:47:22] <greycat> Oh, I just re-read it. Yeah. You
don't chroot into the ISO. You chroot into your INSTALLED
DEBIAN SYSTEM.
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3391 [22:48:34] <terr__> but my installed debian system does not
yet have even a kernel... so as soon as I chroot (jail it) I
can't run anything... AFAIK
3392 [22:48:59] <greycat> That's why you were told to mount
it, chroot into it, install a kernel, and install grub-pc.
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3394 [22:49:17] <somiaj> terr__: you don't need a kernel to
chroot into it from a running kernel
3395 [22:49:34] <somiaj> debootstrap creates a fully functional
chroot
3396 [22:49:34] <terr__> bash is in the target directory (IE on
the HDD and it lives in /dev/sdc3)
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3398 [22:49:51] <somiaj> bash is in your chroot (if you created
with with debootstrap)
3399 [22:50:01] <somiaj> at some level, you might be better off
just using the installer.
3400 [22:50:09] <terr__> ya - good point. its a net install - it
likely can go off into cyberspace and find a kernel
3401 [22:50:17] <somiaj> no
3402 [22:50:27] <terr__> I used debootstrap - its there
3403 [22:50:34] <somiaj> the iso/netinstall/cdimage you are using
has no bearing on this as I have said multiple times.
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3405 [22:50:56] <terr__> somiaj, I am catching on. let me chroot
into the HDD
3406 [22:51:04] <somiaj> all the live image/installer is doing is
providing you a running kernel, just chroot into your system, and
then work with your system as normal (you are just using the kernel
from the iso)
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3408 [22:51:50] <somiaj> though my suggestion is not go this
route. Just use the installer as it is designed to be used, and get
more familar with debian and linux before trying to do a debootstrap
install.
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3413 [22:53:15] <terr__> YES - chroot is done and it is correct!
3414 [22:53:39] <terr__> somiaj, Its been years.
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3416 [22:54:16] <terr__> last time I did this was with lilo and I
had to use dd to lift the MBRs and was using CHS addressing
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3420 [22:58:09] <somiaj> you are just needing us to describe each
and every line in the process multiple times, maybe give yourself
some time to gain familarity before attempting this
3421 [22:58:17] <somiaj> what?
3422 [22:58:26] <terr__> I think all I need to do now is
update-grub followed by grub-install.
3423 [22:58:27] <somiaj> even with lilo you woudlnt' have to
do all of that for a debootstrap install
3424 [22:59:05] <terr__> I don't think debootstrap existed.
Let me read on dual boot. This will take a while.
3425 [22:59:18] <somiaj> it did
3426 [22:59:38] <somiaj> and so did chroot, you would have just
needed to chroot into your install then installed/configured/ran
lilo
3427 [22:59:46] <terr__> bbl - I think this is pretty close.
3428 [23:00:08] <terr__> it was in the 1990s
3429 [23:00:24] <somiaj> chroots have been around for a long time
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3431 [23:00:51] <terr__> well - let me do some reading.
3432 [23:01:07] <terr__> thanks. I appreciate your patience
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3486 [23:40:10] <A|an_> Doing a whereis for a package and getting
<package name> followed by a colon returned...what does the
colon mean?
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3505 [23:54:15] <fuxxy> I have a folder I compressed using Windows
7zip, when extracted with "7z e filename.7z", I end up
with a bunch of compressed files, with the .7z.001 filename
extension. What am I forgetting?
3506 [23:54:18] <sudomake> hello everyone, how can I stop a
program from asking admin password when launched?
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3509 [23:54:50] <fuxxy> does the program require admin privileges?
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3512 [23:55:38] <sudomake> fuxxy, yes
3513 [23:56:12] <sudomake> fuxxy, sorry, no, not normally
3514 [23:56:35] <fuxxy> you can setuid root the program, but that
would allow anyone with execute permissions to run it as root
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3517 [23:58:18] <fuxxy> sudomake, it would depend on how the
program was built. If it's "asking" for root during
the runtime, then the program was coded to ask. If it's only
asking at execution time, it could be a wrapper script
3518 [23:58:29] <fuxxy> What is the program, if you dont mind?
3519 [23:58:49] <sudomake> as I said, I launch it and admin pw
window pops
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3521 [23:58:59] <sudomake> fuxxy, sure, it's virt-manager
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