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4 [07:29:47] <nemo_roy> Welcome All
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18 [07:48:43] <jiggawattz> Hey so Ian is dead - but how is Deb
doing?
19 [07:48:48] <jiggawattz> Is she doing ok ?
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23 [07:52:06] <jmcnaught> jiggawattz: the family has requested
privacy, we try to honour that here.
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44 [08:15:40] <Sabotender> greetings, how can I back up
meaningful data from a drive that has been encrypted if I am not
able to boot into it?
45 [08:16:08] <Sabotender> I am getting DMA errors and I have
read online that it could either be a failing drive or a controller
on the motherboard
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49 [08:21:13] <pingfloyd> using dm-crypt?
50 [08:21:36] <pingfloyd> have you tried booting up a live
environment and using cryptset to open it manually?
51 [08:21:43] <pingfloyd> *cryptsetup
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70 [08:35:11] <pragomer> hi. my xfce-session under debian
stretch always autostarts firefox and thunar when I logged in
(autologin). I cannot see how this "autostart" is
"done". any ideas? Session saving is not used
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77 [08:38:53] <cruncher> pragomer, you may not use save session
now, but maybe it was saved at some point. Did you try "Clear
saved sessions"?
78 [08:39:39] <pragomer> i looked under .config/xfce4-session/
there was no file in it... or what do you mean by "clear saved
sessions" ? is this somewhere in settings?
79 [08:39:58] <cruncher> pragomer, Settings, session and
startup, session
80 [08:40:26] <pragomer> got it. will test it right now
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82 [08:40:31] <cruncher> and if that doesnt help, the autostart
files are in .config/autostart
83 [08:40:54] <cruncher> but it should work with the first
option
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88 [08:43:32] <pragomer> cruncher: THAT was the thing.
"Clear Saved Sessions" in session settings worked. Thank
you such much :-)
89 [08:43:40] <cruncher> you are welcome
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121 [09:08:55] <guavas> Hi all. What should I write in the mail
to get an account for the debian wiki?
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130 [09:19:54] <jmcnaught> guavas: tell them why you want an
account, perhaps the pages you were planning on contributing to
131 [09:20:37] <guavas> jmcnaught, and send them the password and
name in clear?
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134 [09:21:58] <jmcnaught> guavas: did you already try to make an
account?
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136 [09:23:32] <jmcnaught> guavas: don't email them a
password. you may need to tell them the username that you will use
so they can whitelist it. If you email the list, they typically
follow-up with you in private. Make sure to use a FirstnameLastname
username following the MoinMoin wiki convention
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138 [09:25:07] <guavas> jmcnaught, yes I tried to make an account
from the wiki, it says to send an email to register
139 [09:25:26] <guavas> jmcnaught, thanks that is all I needed to
know, I'll send an email
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266 [11:09:46] <jrmu> Hi all, just installed debian stretch but
I'm having problems enabling sudo for my user
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268 [11:10:05] <jrmu> I uncommented sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL in
/etc/sudoers, then ran # usermod <username> sudo
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271 [11:10:47] <jrmu> then logged in and out, but sudo is still
not working
272 [11:11:48] <jrmu> running $ groups shows that
<username> is indeed in sudo
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277 [11:14:51] <jrmu> ok I fixed it by adding a new line
<username> ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL right under the root line, but
I'm not sure why simply adding my user to the sudo group
didn't work
278 [11:14:51] <jrmu> *adding the line in the /etc/sudoers file
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341 [11:50:24] <guavas> jrmu, tried the adduser USERNAME sudo?
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348 [11:55:35] <Randy2> hello
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350 [11:57:02] <Randy2> I'm using debian 8.8 , and the x
server don't go
351 [11:58:18] <Randy2> hello
352 [11:58:50] <rk[ghost]> i noticed a strange effect, i think it
is due to nature of a symlink. i call chown -R bob:alice mydir
353 [11:59:10] <rk[ghost]> however, everything in mydir/symdir
354 [11:59:15] <rk[ghost]> is still root:root
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356 [11:59:47] <rk[ghost]> symdir is a symlink to asdf/
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359 [12:00:13] <rk[ghost]> is this normal? if so, is there a way
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360 [12:00:46] <rk[ghost]> doh, i just noticed --dereference in
the manpage of chown.. going to try it out :)
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362 [12:01:29] <Randy2> hello
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364 [12:02:04] <Randy2> (EE) Server terminated with error (1).
Closing log file.log" for additional information.
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405 [12:34:58] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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422 [12:46:39] <mr__tea> heh :)
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501 [13:29:32] <pingouin> i hate firefox !
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504 [13:30:29] * pingouin slaps Firefox with IE
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506 [13:31:35] <mr__tea> pingouin: let it all out!
507 [13:34:35] <pingouin> :)
508 [13:35:04] <pingouin> why the Mozilla foundation hates us so
much ?! Why ?!
509 [13:35:24] <pingouin> i know must use chrome...can you belive
that ?!
510 [13:35:32] <pingouin> /s/know/now
511 [13:36:10] <pingouin> because they breaks Alsa...with their
troublesome code...
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517 [13:39:05] <BluesKaj> pingouin, the new FF requires
pulseaudio
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560 [14:04:44] <pingouin> BluesKaj: yes..this is the problem...i
do not run pulseaudio...:/
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562 [14:05:01] <pingouin> so...installed chrome...works
great...sadly...
563 [14:05:55] <BluesKaj> yup, same here pingouin ...but I
don't miss FF
564 [14:06:01] <pingouin> Mozilla wants me to install something i
do not need...forgot that i can remove their firefox too... sad
story for Firefox...
565 [14:06:22] <pingouin> i feel bad to use chrome :/
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567 [14:07:01] <pingouin> but i do not want to jiggle between
pulse/jackd/config..etc...Alsa/Jackd works great...why would they do
that ?!
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570 [14:08:10] <littlekitty> !help
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576 [14:08:33] <BluesKaj> pin no idea
577 [14:08:39] <BluesKaj> pingouin, ^
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581 [14:09:12] <littlekitty> !tutorial
582 [14:09:13] <dpkg> A very common problem is that some people
prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to
setup their system without reading the documentation or
understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they
have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they
sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial.
This is not The Proper Way.
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584 [14:09:24] <littlekitty> !docs
585 [14:09:24] <dpkg> Before asking, please read the
documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but
that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches
to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to
RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that
"Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very,
good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me
about <finding docs>, <manuals>.
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587 [14:09:54] <littlekitty> !manuals
588 [14:09:54] <dpkg> If you are looking for manuals, guides and
procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the
administrator's view and others - see
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589 [14:10:03] <jmcnaught> littlekitty: if you have a question
please just ask, or /msg the bot privately
590 [14:10:29] <littlekitty> jmcnaught, okay i'm sorry
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594 [14:11:24] <littlekitty> i'm in a search for a gentle
introduction to debian
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596 [14:11:37] <littlekitty> for someone who grew up using
windows only
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599 [14:12:31] <jmcnaught>
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602 [14:12:57] <DarkNight777> hi everyone
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605 [14:13:15] <pingouin> hi DarkNight777
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608 [14:14:48] <littlekitty> jmcnaught thank you. do you know of
any resource that targets for windows users? like a programming book
that reads 'java for c devs'
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613 [14:16:38] <jmcnaught> littlekitty: there are lots of print
titles like that available for purchase, but I don't know which
are current or well written. The free books that I mentioned are
pretty good for the price though
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623 [14:20:39] <littlekitty> jmcnaught okay I'll check out
that handbook then
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625 [14:20:59] <littlekitty> jmcnaught: thanks for the links
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628 [14:24:24] <rootkea> Hello! I want to add
-fdiagnostics-color=always if the gcc on that system supports this
flag. Right now I have WARN_CFLAGS="$WARN_CFLAGS
-fdiagnostics-color=always"
629 [14:24:43] <rootkea> But this fails if the gcc on that
particular system doesn't support -fdiagnostics-color
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685 [14:56:26] <lxsameer> hey guys where can i find the old
stable cd images ?
686 [14:56:27] <br320> hello one
687 [14:56:47] <br320> i got problems with apt-get ... dpkg
failure
688 [14:57:34] <br320> i can not get de mysql-server, it gave me
an error after remove from the first intaltion why ... i use debian
jessi.
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691 [14:59:16] <dvs> lxsameer,
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692 [14:59:32] <Putti> br320, I had same or similar problem with
mariadb, so maybe it's a bug. Can you paste the message you
get?
693 [14:59:33] <lxsameer> dvs: cheers
694 [14:59:49] * dvs chugs up
695 [14:59:52] <Putti> br320, though, I used stretch
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697 [15:00:48] <br320> the answer for this is to remove the all
files that left in your seystem ... try first apt-get autoremove
698 [15:01:07] <br320> apt-get autoclean
699 [15:01:10] <br320> apt-get autoclean
700 [15:01:53] <br320> for REMOVE in $(dpkg --get-selections |
grep deinstall | cut -f1 ) ; do dpkg -p $REMOVE ; done
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702 [15:02:32] <br320> it resolve me the problem ... now i can
install mysql-server again ... :-)
703 [15:02:40] <Putti> br320, but what was the message apt gave
you?
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721 [15:08:47] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me with nginx? They
don't reply in #nginx
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724 [15:09:14] <hexhaxtron> I want to load PHP pages but it asks
me to open/save instead of loading them.
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726 [15:09:42] <forcerecon> morning debian
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729 [15:10:43] <forcerecon> still going strong for last 20
hours.. -
replaced-url
730 [15:10:44] <forcerecon> its at about 85% today..
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732 [15:12:09] <cesdo> Hey, why this stream is not working with
deadbeef?
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737 [15:15:15] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: can you provide a summary
with pastes of configs of what you have done to get it working?
738 [15:15:26] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: sure!
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741 [15:16:17] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I've messed a lot
with the config:
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742 [15:16:31] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I think there's
nothing in the logs.
743 [15:17:10] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: it works with
website/index.php but not with website/~hexhaxtron/index.php
744 [15:17:39] <hexhaxtron> Actually... website/index.php is not
working anymore...
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746 [15:17:56] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: looks like you are having
trouble matching with regex
747 [15:18:17] <hexhaxtron> It could be. Do you know how to fix
it?
748 [15:18:54] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: it needs to match
/home/h/hexhaxtron/replaced-url
749 [15:19:31] <hexhaxtron> Or inside other directories like
/home/h/hexhaxtron/replaced-url
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762 [15:23:03] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I removed some comments.
website/index.php is working again but not
website/~hexhaxtron/index.php
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765 [15:23:20] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: removing comments should
not change behaviour
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767 [15:23:50] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I commented everything
else just to see if PHP would work.
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770 [15:25:12] <forcerecon> <?php phpinfo(); ?>
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775 [15:26:02] <torandu> hello. i'm following instructions
here
replaced-url
776 [15:26:10] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: do you want all .php files
to be interpreted, or only the ones at certain paths?
777 [15:26:20] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: all of them.
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779 [15:28:39] <jmcnaught> torandu: just make it large enough for
the files you're going to put on it?
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782 [15:29:25] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: then maybe try using
something like the example here:
replaced-url
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786 [15:30:12] <jmcnaught> (using the unix socket path instead of
127.0.0.1:9000)
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795 [15:33:39] <dvs> torandu, why are you making your own USB
installer?
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799 [15:35:09] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: same thing, open/save...
Current config:
replaced-url
800 [15:35:54] <torandu> dvs: i want a usb installer to set up
multiple machines. also want a data partition on same for some
packages and other data
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805 [15:37:55] <dvs> ah
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809 [15:38:44] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: i don't think
you've done it right, line 137 starts a location stanza, which
ends on line 142, then outside of that stanza you have fastcgi_pass
declared. You may also have conflicting parts of your config
810 [15:38:46] <torandu> anyway, jmcnaught put me on the path.
the answer afaict is ~20M. not much
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812 [15:39:42] <jmcnaught> torandu: i haven't done this
before, i usually just install from a hybrid ISO image. You may need
to experiment, and/or estimate on the large side
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814 [15:40:06] <torandu> yes, will for that little. 100M
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816 [15:40:50] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: the } in line 142 is for
the if condition.
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818 [15:41:12] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: clean it up and I'll
take another look
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822 [15:42:42] <boodie> Hi everybody (jessie): I want to take the
opportunity to upgrade both to Stretch and my desktop PC. Do you
reckon it's easier to replicate this machine (packages and all)
and THEN upgrade, or backup /home, configure the new hardware and
then restore the contents of /home?
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825 [15:43:27] <jmcnaught> boodie: Debian is easy to upgrade. Do
a backup, and follow the instructions in the release notes.
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827 [15:44:15] <jmcnaught> oh, you mean upgrade computer too. you
can probably just put your old harddrive into the new computer
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831 [15:44:50] <boodie> jmcnaught: Th third possibility is to
upgrade on the current machine and THEN replicate the packages on
the new hardware ... what do you think?
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834 [15:45:05] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I've cleaned it:
replaced-url
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839 [15:45:42] <boodie> Just trying to elaborate a strategy
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841 [15:46:32] <forcerecon> I have a fairly new pc and after
installing stretch I was getting tired of seeing the bluetooth
icon.. so I decided to turn it off in the bios. Once I did that the
machine would just blackscreen.. turn it back on and boots.. is that
a glitch or can linux just not handle a hardware change on the fly
like that
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844 [15:48:16] <jmcnaught> forcerecon: Linux can generally handle
and hardware it has support for when it boots. If you want to find
out what happened, you should check your logs.
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846 [15:49:22] <forcerecon> yeah you are correct.. I need to do
that.. thanks..
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852 [15:50:29] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: you still have multiple #
Userdir with PHP sections at line 46 and 107
853 [15:51:02] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: one is for thunix.org and
the other is for
replaced-url
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857 [15:51:33] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: i don't use nginx but
there's gotta be an easier way to do that
858 [15:51:55] <jmcnaught> (that doesn't require duplicating
the config just to get
replaced-url
859 [15:52:13] <hexhaxtron> Yes, but I don't know how.
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861 [15:52:27] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: what about the PHP issue,
any ideas?
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865 [15:53:25] <jrmu> guavas: I didn't try adduser USERNAME
sudo, but if I type groups, my username is definitely in the sudo
group. I'm not sure why sudo isn't working for it
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867 [15:53:35] <jrmu> I ended up just adding the username
directly into the /etc/sudoers file, instead of relying on the sudo
group, but I'm not sure why it didn't work
868 [15:53:50] <tdn> I have a apt repository with my own
packages. Packages are signed with my GPG key and it works fine for
Debiann 8. Now I want to install these packages in debian 9 and
apt-get complains packages are not authenticated. How do I make my
package signing work for both debian 8 and 9?
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872 [15:55:53] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: you probably need to spend
more time with the nginx docs. Like, should the second starting at
line 62 be outside of Userdir part, or should the userdir part be
nested inside of it
873 [15:56:37] <jmcnaught> tdn:
replaced-url
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877 [15:57:55] <tdn> jmcnaught, thanks!
878 [15:58:14] <tdn> jmcnaught, so if I update my signature to
using sha256 it should work for both debian 8 and 9, right?
879 [15:58:29] <jmcnaught> tdn: you also need an InRelease file
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882 [16:00:11] <tdn> jmcnaught, ok
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890 [16:03:43] <tdn> jmcnaught, hmm... I think I already have
both InRelease and a correct key. I have this in .gnupg/gpg.conf:
default-preference-list SHA512 SHA384 SHA256 SHA224 AES256 AES192
AES CAST5 BZIP2 ZLIB ZIP Uncompressed
891 [16:03:50] <tdn> And: cert-digest-algo SHA512
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894 [16:04:46] <tdn> And then I ran gpg --gen-key to generate
key. And then : gpg --armor --output mykey.gpg.key --export
<code>.
895 [16:05:22] <tdn> jmcnaught, wouldnt that be good?
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897 [16:05:45] <tdn> I think this should give me sha512 which is
"at least sha256" which is required, right?
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900 [16:07:07] <jmcnaught> tdn: the note about sha256 in the
release notes is about checksums for all items
901 [16:07:44] <boodie> Hi: I am planning to purchase an
assembled desktop PC with two SSDs and Windows preinstalled on one
of them, in order to be able to dual boot. This will be done by the
shop, while installing whichever debian will be up to me
(obviously). Any issues to be aware of (e.g. UEFI problems)?
902 [16:08:03] <tdn> jmcnaught, I just dont know what I am
missing.
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905 [16:08:51] <tdn> jmcnaught, I create the repo via reprepro. I
think that might be the one making the hashes.
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914 [16:13:57] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: how should I paste code in
the nginx forum?
915 [16:14:15] <hexhaxtron> There should be something like
<code> and </code> I think.
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918 [16:15:06] <jmcnaught> tdn: i haven't used it before,
but are you using the version on stretch to make the repo?
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920 [16:15:17] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: i don't know what you
mean about code tags
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922 [16:15:49] <tdn> jmcnaught, no, I do not yet have a build
server in stretch
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925 [16:16:26] <tdn> jmcnaught, you think if I upgrade build
server it would just work?
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927 [16:17:14] <jmcnaught> tdn: i don't know, but if apt has
new requirements in stretch, the reprepro in stretch is more likely
to handle them. check the changelogs.
928 [16:17:45] <tdn> jmcnaught, will do. thanks. You got me a
step closer to solving this I think :)
929 [16:18:13] <jmcnaught> tdn: good luck ☺
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996 [17:04:18] <perseptole> hi. i am looking for a way to create
a list in the form of a tree diagram of my debian folder structure
(or of a part of it, e.g. the home folder). how can I achieve that?
997 [17:04:57] <perseptole> i would like it to be a simple
textfile including the folder names and filenames in it
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1006 [17:09:36] <petemc> perseptole: tree /home/foo
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1022 [17:27:00] <BitNebula> Hello, yesterday I booted my computer
to the error screen of "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A
problem has occurred and the system can't recover." From
my research this is a gnome problem I believe. How can I
troubleshoot this? I upgraded yesterday so I believe that could be
the culprit. I just looked at my apt history and xserver-xorg-core
was one of the services upgraded. Additionally, I am able to run
programs in the
1023 [17:27:01] <BitNebula> terminal fine
1024 [17:27:08] <BitNebula> (tty2, etc
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1028 [17:28:24] <roger21> yo, where do i get te bot log with the
server start status and all?
1029 [17:28:29] <roger21> boot*
1030 [17:28:45] <roger21> debian 9
1031 [17:29:58] <th0r> roger21: dmesg?
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1034 [17:31:54] <roger21> th0r, i don't see the [OK] lines
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1036 [17:33:33] <flypp> check ~/.xsession-errors
1037 [17:33:43] <roger21> what?
1038 [17:34:00] <flypp> do you have access to the terminal?
1039 [17:34:02] <roger21> i don't evenhave x installed
1040 [17:34:07] <roger21> of course
1041 [17:34:22] <th0r> I think that was a message for BitNebula
1042 [17:34:31] <roger21> oh
1043 [17:34:32] <flypp> oh, yes, sorry about that
1044 [17:34:39] <roger21> np
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1047 [17:34:48] <BitNebula> Lol my bad!. I will check that in a
second flypp. Yes I have access to tty
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1050 [17:35:36] <br320> help i got an error while iam trying
install mysql-server in debina jessi .
1051 [17:35:41] <BitNebula> The last entry with in that file is
"**(process:3673) WARNING**: software acceleration check
failed: Child process exited with code 1"
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1055 [17:36:50] <br320> error were encouter while processing
mysq-server
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1058 [17:37:04] <nvz> br320: paste the full output on
paste.debian.net
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1061 [17:37:36] <nvz> br320: or I can give you a generic answer
for a generic summary of the error
1062 [17:37:38] <BitNebula> flypp, the problem could be in
relation to the xserver update though? I'm not sure
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1065 [17:38:34] <flypp> I don't use gnome-shell... put I
assume gnome-shell is trying to run in fallback mode. It's
possible 3d acceleration is not working
1066 [17:38:47] <br320> i just have done the update, the first
time i was running fine ... after deinstall it is like this whith
this error ... what to do ?
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1069 [17:40:07] <nvz> br320: that part of the error is the
summary, its not specifically what caused the problem, standard
approach is apt-get update; dpkg --configure -a; apt-get
--fix-missing -f install;
1070 [17:40:23] <nvz> br320: but that probably won't help,
just like not giving the full output won't help you much
1071 [17:40:26] <flypp> BitNebula, try "gnome-session"
1072 [17:40:29] <flypp> type it
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1074 [17:40:54] <BitNebula> flypp, just typed it. Nothing is
happening I'm just getting a blinking cursor that is hanging
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1079 [17:41:52] <br320> Processing triggers for man-db
(2.6.7.1-1ubuntu1) ...
1080 [17:41:53] <br320> Processing triggers for ureadahead
(0.100.0-16) ...
1081 [17:41:53] <br320> Errors were encountered while processing:
1082 [17:41:53] <br320> mysql-server-5.6
1083 [17:42:09] <br320> ya this the error ...
1084 [17:42:52] <br320> dpkg returned code error -1
1085 [17:42:53] <dpkg> br320: I don't know, could you explain
it?
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1091 [17:43:55] <br320> first i installed fine ... ya it was fine
... then i remove with apt-get remove and now apt-get install doensk
want to install it ...
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1094 [17:44:57] <br320> when i do apt-get install mysql-server,
the error comes dpkg returned code error -1
1095 [17:45:00] <BitNebula> flypp, can I ctrl+c it now? There is
also an error in journalctl I would like to show you, though I am
not sure if it is related
1096 [17:45:13] <flypp> BitNebula, you could try a 'dpkg
--configure -a' . You can also try another session manager like
lightdm, in case your problem is gdm related
1097 [17:45:33] <flypp> yes, ofc you can, as gdm is not starting
correctly
1098 [17:45:45] <br320> i looked it in google but it doenst
work... it return the same error
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1100 [17:46:47] <nvz> br320: I've already told you at least
twice now, that message is the last line on the output summerizing
the exit code of apt, there are literally millions of reasons that
could happen, without the entire output of the command nobody can be
of any help
1101 [17:46:48] <BitNebula> flypp, here is the output from
journalctl -p err:
replaced-url
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1104 [17:47:43] <nvz> br320: notice what BitNebula did ^
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1107 [17:48:27] <br320> ...
1108 [17:48:36] <br320> start: Job failed to start
1109 [17:48:36] <br320> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action
"start" failed.
1110 [17:48:36] <br320> dpkg: error processing package
mysql-server-5.6 (--install):
1111 [17:48:36] <br320> subprocess installed post-installation
script returned error exit status 1
1112 [17:48:36] <br320> Processing triggers for man-db
(2.6.7.1-1ubuntu1) ...
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1114 [17:48:37] <dpkg> br320: That isn't an error, post the
whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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1118 [17:49:59] <nvz> ugh.. I told him both in here and when he
/msg me to use paste.debian.net
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1120 [17:50:52] <nvz> he's not even using debian
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1122 [17:51:19] <BitNebula> lol
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1124 [17:51:30] <flypp> BitNebula, could you try installig lightdm
and look if you can have a working enviroment?
1125 [17:51:35] <BitNebula> Here I am trying to get help and
providing all the info I can :P
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1128 [17:52:07] <flypp> ... so we can see if your problem is only
gdm related
1129 [17:52:18] <BitNebula> flypp, will do. Do I just need to apt
install it? Or do I need to configure?
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1132 [17:52:46] <flypp> after installing, you will prompt to
choose to use gdm3 or lightdm
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1134 [17:53:17] <BitNebula> flypp, ok cool. SHould I reboot or can
I just start it now?
1135 [17:53:30] <BitNebula> flypp, guess I'll reboot just to
be safe
1136 [17:54:06] <flypp> you need to reboot
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1138 [17:54:51] <BitNebula> flypp, Yup I get a graphical interface
now
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1140 [17:55:27] <BitNebula> flypp, Well once I login that same
error comes up with the background still showing
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1143 [17:56:39] <flypp> so... you don't have a working
environment?
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1146 [17:57:27] <BitNebula> flypp, Nope. The background debian 8
splashpage still show but the error still pops up so I'd say no
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1148 [17:57:42] <BitNebula> I can login, which is farther than I
could with gnome, but can't do anything else
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1152 [17:58:29] <flypp> did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
1153 [17:58:52] <flypp> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep
"EE"
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1156 [17:59:18] <BitNebula> termbin.com/4psa
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1160 [18:00:09] <flypp> oh... what is this? I assumed you were
using nouveau. Did you installed nvidia drivers?
1161 [18:00:26] <BitNebula> flypp, yes I have nvidia's
official drivers installed
1162 [18:01:08] <flypp> but you had some nouveau errors on your
journalctl... nouveau should not be loaded
1163 [18:01:26] <flypp> lsmod | grep nouveau
1164 [18:01:29] <BitNebula> flypp, Yeah that seems to have been
occuring since I first install debian
1165 [18:01:55] <BitNebula> flypp, termbin.com/bmeu
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1169 [18:03:05] <flypp> mmm.. so you have nouveau working
alongside nvidia. Which one do you want to use?
1170 [18:03:06] <BitNebula> flypp, and here is grepping for
nvidia: termbin.com/nu26
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1174 [18:03:25] <BitNebula> I'd say the official nvidia
drivers. I do machine learning with these gfx cards so I need nvidia
support
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1176 [18:04:24] <flypp> do you have
/etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf ?
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1178 [18:04:38] <flypp> the content should be 'blacklist
nouveau'
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1180 [18:05:23] <BitNebula> flypp, the only files I have in
/etc/modprobe.d are dkms.conf, modesetting.conf and
open-vm-tools-dkms.conf
1181 [18:05:51] <flypp> ok. Try to create it yourself
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1183 [18:06:18] <flypp> or... we can just reinstall + reconfigure
nvidia packages, as the nvidia installer should create that file
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1185 [18:06:52] <BitNebula> flypp, I'll try making the file
first. Should I reboot after making it?
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1191 [18:07:43] <flypp> yes
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1195 [18:08:31] <BitNebula> flypp, hmm that error is still
appearing. It occurs before I unlock my encrypted container
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1197 [18:09:14] <BitNebula> flypp, yup and now that I'm in
lightdm the "oh no! something has gone wrong" error has
shown
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1199 [18:10:12] <flypp> ok, let's try the easy way. Remove
the file you created on /etc/modprobe.d and remove any nvidia
package installed
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1201 [18:10:53] <flypp> apt-get remove `dpkg -l | grep nvidia | tr
-s " " | cut -d" " -f2`
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1205 [18:11:23] <flypp> so your system will use only nouveu
driver. Reboot and check if you can have a working environment
1206 [18:11:31] <flypp> if so, you can install the nvidia drivers
1207 [18:12:04] <BitNebula> flypp, so I haven't run that
command yet, but grepping for nvidia in apt list --installed and
dpkg -l does not show any entries
1208 [18:12:35] <flypp> dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows nothing?
1209 [18:12:35] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep nvidia
shows nothing
1210 [18:13:04] <BitNebula> flypp, correct
1211 [18:14:08] <BitNebula> flypp, if I recall, I had to download
the deb package from nvidia and it installed it as a dkms
1212 [18:14:08] <flypp> ok, so for some reason nouveu was
re-enabled in the update, removing all nvidia packages but not
making the correct changes to use nouveau
1213 [18:14:22] <flypp> are you using stretch?
1214 [18:14:51] <BitNebula> flypp, well the thing is, I have
gotten that nouveu error ever since I first installed nvidia like
6-8 months ago, however it never caused problems
1215 [18:15:01] <flypp> well, even using a donwloaded deb, the
package would be listed in a dpkg -l, so don't worry, you
don't have any nvidia package isntalled
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1217 [18:15:13] <BitNebula> flypp, no, i use jessie stable
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1219 [18:16:07] <BitNebula> flypp, Well it must have been removed
yesterday because I definitely had nvidia drivers beforehand
1220 [18:16:08] <towo`> BitNebula, whatever you have downloaded
from nvidia, they do not provide deb packages
1221 [18:16:37] <towo`> and using the foo.run installer is not a
good idea
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1223 [18:16:58] <flypp> either way, just install the nvidia
drivers from the debian repository
1224 [18:17:09] <flypp> you can try directly aptitude -r install
linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
nvidia-kernel-dkms
1225 [18:17:26] <BitNebula> I mean is it a good idea to try to
install them over the one I currently have though?
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1227 [18:17:40] <BitNebula> If I recall the debian repo never
updated their drivers to support the latest cards, which I have
1228 [18:17:44] <flypp> dpkg -l shows no nvidia packate installed
1229 [18:17:45] <dpkg> No packages found matching shows no nvidia
packate installed
1230 [18:18:24] <BitNebula> flypp, there are dkms entries for
nvidia though
1231 [18:18:44] <flypp> the problem is not the drivers. Is the
kernel version on Jessie. I switched to Stretch so I can play games
from steam
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1234 [18:19:45] <BitNebula> flypp, on jessie (oldstable) on the
debian package website it shows on 340.102-1
1235 [18:19:48] <BitNebula> As the current version
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1238 [18:21:03] <towo`> and backports wopuld have a recent version
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1243 [18:22:03] <BitNebula> I still have the nvidia- commands on
the terminal, can I run one of these to show what is going on?
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1245 [18:22:21] <BitNebula> nvidia-smi says I have driver version
378.13 installed
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1248 [18:22:52] <flypp> i don't know how you can have those
commands with any of the nvidia packages installed
1249 [18:23:20] <BitNebula> flypp, thats what I'm saying the
nvidia package is definitely installed, it was working earlier in
the day yesterday
1250 [18:23:27] <flypp> but that drivers needs a newer version of
the linux kernel that jessie uses
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1252 [18:24:02] <towo`> flypp, no, why should it?
1253 [18:24:21] <BitNebula> Are you guys sure it doesn't have
to do with the xserver update I install yesterday?
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1255 [18:24:41] <towo`> BitNebula, congratulations, you have
installed the dribver with the run-installer, that is not supported
in debian
1256 [18:25:07] <flypp> if I donwload a *.deb packege to install
something, it will show in dpkg -l
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1258 [18:25:30] <towo`> nvidia does not provide deb packages on
their website
1259 [18:25:50] <flypp> so he used the *.run script?
1260 [18:25:52] <towo`> they only provide a generic installer,
which is bypassing the package management
1261 [18:26:07] <BitNebula> yes I ran a .run you're right,
and nvidia has their own installer that has an updater
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1263 [18:26:23] <BitNebula> But I haven't used that in 2-3
months and everything was working
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1265 [18:26:45] <towo`> until the next update of xserver or mesa
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1268 [18:27:17] <towo`> and again, using that installer is not
supported here
1269 [18:27:26] <BitNebula> I see
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1271 [18:28:11] <BitNebula> So the problem is the update of
xserver triggered this error since this is not a supported package
1272 [18:28:17] <BitNebula> or not a package at all, rather
1273 [18:28:31] <nkuttler> BitNebula: try nvidia-install
--uninstall
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1275 [18:29:01] <towo`> debian has a package
nvidia-installer-cleanup
1276 [18:29:11] <towo`> which should be able to fix that crap
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1280 [18:29:43] <nohitall> anyone can hint me how to compile
kernel under stretch? there is no kernel-package anymore for all the
tools
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1282 [18:29:59] <nkuttler> !tell nohitall about kernel handbook
1283 [18:30:04] <towo`> make bindeb-pkg
1284 [18:30:16] <BitNebula> towo`, so you're saying run that,
and then add jessie-backports to me apt sources, and then install
nvidia driver from there?
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1286 [18:30:28] <towo`> BitNebula, exact
1287 [18:30:30] <zophyx> i installed debian from dvd's
choosing not to install networking, now afterwards, how can i
install networking support ?
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1292 [18:30:48] <nohitall> nkuttler: thanks
1293 [18:30:53] <nkuttler> zophyx: do you still have the dvd?
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1297 [18:31:08] <zophyx> nkuttler: oh yes, i do
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1300 [18:31:55] <ihatecsv> Hello! I have Debian Stretch installed
on my /dev/sda, and I also have another 1TB drive at /dev/sdb that I
want to install Windows 10 on temporarily.
1301 [18:31:56] <nkuttler> zophyx: there should be cdrom entries
in your sources.list, so you can just install from them
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1303 [18:32:04] <BitNebula> towo`, would you suggest the
nvidia-installer-cleanup restore the xconfig?
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1305 [18:32:27] <ihatecsv> Do I need to do anything special to get
a dual-boot going with Win 10 and Debian?
1306 [18:33:18] <nkuttler> ihatecsv: sounds more like a question
for ##windows.. who knows what their installer does..
1307 [18:33:49] <zophyx> nkuttler: i don't know the packages
i need to install, or the dpkg... or installer helper programs to
run
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1311 [18:34:04] <nkuttler> zophyx: what are you trying to do that
doesn't work?
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1316 [18:35:22] <BluesKaj> ihatecsv, installing windows after
linux will wipe your grub file
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1320 [18:35:41] <BluesKaj> bootloader
1321 [18:35:47] <zophyx> nkuttler: i couldn't find a way to
enter a wireless password during the install from the dvd's so
i skipped the installation of networking support, now after i have
debian installed i need to install networking support
1322 [18:36:03] <PipeItToDevNull> BluesKaj, assuming a BIOS or
legacy system
1323 [18:36:06] <BitNebula> towo`, is there I can tell if this is
working? It seems to be hanging
1324 [18:36:15] <PipeItToDevNull> BluesKaj, EFI wont be affected
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1326 [18:37:02] <nkuttler> zophyx: sounds like you want to install
network-manager-gnome
1327 [18:37:23] <BluesKaj> PipeItToDevNull, really ? that news to
me ...but go ahead then
1328 [18:37:35] <zophyx> nkuttler: ah, that might pull in
everything i need, thnx, i'll try it !
1329 [18:37:36] <nkuttler> zophyx: or simply run nm-applet, in
case you don't have it running yet
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1331 [18:37:55] <nkuttler> zophyx: if you installed the default
desktop you probably already have it
1332 [18:37:57] <PipeItToDevNull> BluesKaj, EFI is amaing, all
boot files are held in the EFI partition and every OS makes their
own directory there
1333 [18:38:05] <PipeItToDevNull> amazing
1334 [18:38:28] <zophyx> nkuttler: gotta boot into debian now, see
ya later
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1336 [18:40:49] <JPT> So ... upgrading from Debian Jessie (8) to
Stretch (9).
1337 [18:40:50] <BluesKaj> including grub which gets wiped in the
/uefi /boot partition when windows is installed
1338 [18:41:07] <JPT> Mysql is being replaced by mariadb and i get
a "Too many levels of symbolic links". Is this a common
issue?
1339 [18:41:34] <nkuttler> JPT: paste.debian.net the entire error
1340 [18:41:56] <BitNebula> towo`, so the cleanup seems to have
frozen and ctrl-c does not work
1341 [18:41:58] <JPT> Sure, one sec :)
1342 [18:42:32] <nkuttler> BitNebula: anything in top/htop ?
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1344 [18:43:11] <JPT> Here we go:
replaced-url
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1346 [18:43:23] <JPT> I included what ever accumulated in
journalctl -f at the same time.
1347 [18:43:30] <BitNebula> nkuttler, it seems nvidia-installer is
running
1348 [18:43:33] <BitNebula> aswell as normal nvidia
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1350 [18:44:01] <JPT> I'm clueless, because the
mariadb.service file does not contain any "NAMESPACE"
related things.
1351 [18:44:03] <BitNebula> and apt
1352 [18:44:06] <nkuttler> wtf is mariadb doing running install
(1) from a service file.. ?!
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1354 [18:44:25] <JPT> It's basically in the middle of the
upgrade
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1356 [18:44:51] <JPT> The mariadb.service file contains this:
ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/install -m 755 -o mysql -g root -d
/var/run/mysqld
1357 [18:45:09] <JPT> running this manually returns with code 0
(it's fine)
1358 [18:45:26] <nkuttler> JPT: i'd try to dpkg -i the
package by hand from /var/cache/apt/archives and edit the postinst
script in /var/lib/dpkg/info, add set -x at the top..
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1360 [18:45:41] <JPT> I'll try that :)
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1366 [18:47:47] <jhutchins> What's the command that cleans up
orphan autoinstalls?
1367 [18:48:02] <nkuttler> jhutchins: deborphan?
1368 [18:48:35] <jhutchins> I thought there was some autoremove or
autoclean...
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1372 [18:49:09] <nkuttler> well, there is autoremove
1373 [18:49:31] <jhutchins> for which command? Or is it a
stand-alone?
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1376 [18:49:47] <nkuttler> jhutchins: apt-get/aptitude afaik
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1378 [18:50:29] <jhutchins> apt-get, not aptitude.
1379 [18:50:40] <nkuttler> apt-get best apt
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1383 [18:51:49] <JPT> This namespace thing got me thinking a bit
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1386 [18:52:06] <JPT> Might this be related to the ancient kernel
this vps runs on? -- Linux vs2373 2.6.32-042stab117.14 #1 SMP Tue
Aug 30 17:12:57 MSK 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1388 [18:52:17] <nkuttler> um..
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1391 [18:52:37] <nkuttler> JPT: that doesn't look like it
would run stretch, but check the release notes
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1393 [18:52:54] <nkuttler> and either upgrade your kernel or get
better hosting.. anyway..
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1396 [18:53:06] <discovered> hello
1397 [18:53:09] <BitNebula> nkuttler, towo` would it be safe to
kill this process? I think it has hung
1398 [18:53:12] <JPT> I got the usual warning while upgrading
libc, but since it did not produce horrible results i figured it
would be fine
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1401 [18:53:27] <JPT> I'll see if i can get it to work
somehow. Thanks :)
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1404 [18:53:48] <nkuttler> BitNebula: well.. define safe..
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1408 [18:54:08] <wfq> hi all
1409 [18:54:26] <jhutchins> BitNebula: I would say you already
have problem.
1410 [18:54:29] <wfq> when I try to install libmysqlclient-dev I
get the following error: Package libmysqlclient-dev is not
available, but is referred to by another package.
1411 [18:54:38] <wfq> I'm a bit stuck here.
1412 [18:54:44] <BitNebula> nkuttler, well I'm not really
sure what to do at this point...
1413 [18:54:46] <nkuttler> ,v libmysqlclient-dev
1414 [18:54:47] <judd> Package: libmysqlclient-dev on amd64 --
wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.55-0+deb7u1; jessie:
5.5.55-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.55-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.7.18-1
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1416 [18:54:59] <nkuttler> wfq: paste.debian.net output of
apt-cache policy
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1418 [18:55:42] <jhutchins> wfq: Known problem. Hoping for a
solution soon.
1419 [18:55:43] <wfq> nkuttler apt-cache policy libmysqlclient-dev
--> shows no candidates. I am using Stretch
1420 [18:55:52] <nkuttler> wfq: yeah, not in stretch
1421 [18:56:03] <jhutchins> wfq: You might consider mariadb
instead.
1422 [18:56:54] <jhutchins> Oddly, kde's mahjong requires
mysql-server.
1423 [18:56:54] <towo`> BitNebula, do you try that all from
running X with half running binary blob?
1424 [18:56:55] <wfq> I am going from error to error :). Thought I
had MariaDb on as when I do mysql -u root -p Maria Db appears as
prompt
1425 [18:57:11] <BitNebula> towo`, could you rephrase that? Sorry
1426 [18:57:15] <jhutchins> wfq: Then you do have maria installed.
1427 [18:57:36] <wfq> dpkg -l mariadb-* shows that is installed
1428 [18:57:36] <dpkg> No packages found matching mariadb-* shows
that is installed
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1430 [18:57:45] <towo`> BitNebula, i want to know, if you do that
all from a xterm from a running x session?
1431 [18:57:53] <jhutchins> wfq: What are you actually running
when you get the install error?
1432 [18:58:11] <BitNebula> towo`, I'm doing this from a tty
session. Top does show Xorg running, however
1433 [18:58:45] <BitNebula> Additionally it shows a gnome-session
process
1434 [18:58:46] <wfq> I am trying to install that library in
isolation. I am now even more confused. I have both mysql and
mariadb installed
1435 [18:58:50] <jhutchins> BitNebula: You'll probably have
fewer problems if you shut X down first (kill gdm or lightdm or
whatever).
1436 [18:58:54] <towo`> BitNebula, don't you think, stopping
x would be a good idea before you try to uninstall that nvidia crap?
1437 [18:59:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1688
1438 [18:59:17] <jhutchins> wfq: Why are you installing a library?
1439 [18:59:23] <BitNebula> towo`, well yes but I didn't know
it was running since I didn't see a desktop enviornment. Do I
just pkill, or is there a proper way?
1440 [18:59:34] <wfq> jhutchins I need it to install mysqlclient
python library
1441 [18:59:49] <nkuttler> wfq: um
1442 [18:59:51] <jhutchins> bit service <whatdm> stop
1443 [18:59:58] <jhutchins> BitNebula: service <whatdm> stop
1444 [19:00:01] <towo`> BitNebula, the propper way would be
systemctl stop $yourdm
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1446 [19:00:09] <nkuttler> wfq: apt-get install python-mysqldb ?
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1448 [19:00:31] <jhutchins> wfq: libraries are almost always
installed through dependencies.
1449 [19:00:32] <wfq> nkuttler that is installing a version of
python 2 that is not the one I want
1450 [19:00:43] <wfq> I installed python 3.6
1451 [19:00:47] <nkuttler> ...
1452 [19:00:49] <wfq> manually
1453 [19:00:51] <BitNebula> OK thank you. Should I reboot and try
this again and kill lightdm first?
1454 [19:00:51] <jhutchins> ,v python
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1456 [19:00:52] <nkuttler> wfq: oh well, have fun then
1457 [19:00:53] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; buster: 2.7.13-2; sid: 2.7.13-2;
stretch: 2.7.13-2
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1459 [19:01:13] <nkuttler> ,v python3.6
1460 [19:01:14] <judd> Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster:
3.6.2~rc2-2; sid: 3.6.2~rc2-2
1461 [19:01:24] <wfq> I am starting to regret to have updated from
Wheezy to Jessie and from this to Stretch :)
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1463 [19:01:52] <JPT> Found a solution: Comment out
"ProtectHome=true" in the mariadb.service file. >.>
1464 [19:01:55] <jhutchins> wfq: It's a temporary glitch in
package availability, not a failure of the relase.
1465 [19:01:58] <nkuttler> wfq: did you install python3.6 from
source? or did you use debian packages?
1466 [19:02:38] <apollo13> wfq: why would you even install it
manually?
1467 [19:02:53] <wfq> nkuttler I did it from source. From Debian
I'd have to add a testing or unstable source and did not want
to do such thing
1468 [19:03:14] <apollo13> *shrug* add the repo, set default
release to stable and be done with it
1469 [19:03:18] <BitNebula> towo`, jhutchins should lightdm be the
only process I need to end?
1470 [19:03:19] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport python3.6
1471 [19:03:21] <judd> Backporting package python3.6 in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch.
1472 [19:03:23] <apollo13> I bet that your source install is
borked
1473 [19:03:26] <nkuttler> apollo13: no
1474 [19:03:33] <nkuttler> !tell wfq about ssbp
1475 [19:03:52] <apollo13> nkuttler: mhm?
1476 [19:04:03] <nvz> python 3.6 is a development version
1477 [19:04:09] <nkuttler> apollo13: you seem to suggest mixing
stable/testing repos?
1478 [19:04:28] <apollo13> nkuttler: yeah, doing that since years
:)
1479 [19:04:32] <wfq> that's exactly what I wanted to avoid.
It isn't generally a good idea from my perspective
1480 [19:04:33] <nkuttler> nvz: it's not
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1482 [19:04:41] <nvz> according to python.org it is
1483 [19:04:45] <wfq> nvz, it is not a development version
1484 [19:05:02] <apollo13> well rc2 is development ;)
1485 [19:05:17] <apollo13> at least in debian, the 3.6.2
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1487 [19:05:21] <BitNebula> towo`, jhutchins So I rebooted,
stopped lightdm and ran this nvidia-installer-cleanup and it is
hanging again after I go past the prompt
1488 [19:05:38] <apollo13> nkuttler: anyways, are there any
backports for 3.6 available?
1489 [19:05:39] <wfq> but not python 3.6 by itself
1490 [19:05:44] <nkuttler> apollo13: well, whatever works for you
i guess, but it's not supported in here
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1492 [19:05:50] <nkuttler> apollo13: no, but you can build your
own
1493 [19:05:53] <wfq> apollo13, that's a good question :)
1494 [19:06:00] <nkuttler> !ssbp
1495 [19:06:01] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1496 [19:06:04] <apollo13> nkuttler: ah, makes sense
1497 [19:06:11] <nkuttler> and you can just use testing instead of
sid in those instructions
1498 [19:06:21] <wfq> nkuttler, I get it
1499 [19:06:26] <apollo13> mhm, what is a "local"
variant for ,checkbackport ?
1500 [19:06:35] <wfq> more work to do but the right way.
1501 [19:06:42] <nkuttler> apollo13: tell me when you know
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1503 [19:06:59] <apollo13> or rather any non irc variant
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1506 [19:07:51] <wfq> nkuttler, That'd solve the problem with
python 3.6. What about libmysqlclient... Is there anything I can do
in the meantime?
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1509 [19:08:26] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport libmysqlclient-dev
1510 [19:08:27] <judd> Backporting package libmysqlclient-dev in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch.
1511 [19:08:42] <nkuttler> mh
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1513 [19:08:51] <nkuttler> that might not work though if it's
a different mysql version
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1517 [19:09:38] <nkuttler> jhutchins: what's this glitch you
were talking about anyway?
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1520 [19:11:32] <wfq> do you check the backport packages on the
web... I mean is there any typical procedure you guys follow?
1521 [19:11:49] <apollo13> nkuttler: found it
replaced-url
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1523 [19:12:07] <nkuttler> apollo13: nice
1524 [19:12:10] <apollo13> so basically you need to grep judd and
then can execute udd-cache
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1530 [19:14:06] <apollo13> nkuttler: crap, that thing directly
connects to the udd postgres db
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1533 [19:15:04] <apollo13>
replaced-url
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1537 [19:16:03] <Sabotender> any idea how to run smart utility
under linux? i am trying to back up this drive but not sure i can
because of the errors its spitting out
1538 [19:16:10] <BitNebula> towo`, jhutchins Still hanging even
when I kill gdm3 and lightdm :|
1539 [19:16:40] <towo`> BitNebula, now you see, why using that
installer was a bad idea
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1541 [19:16:55] <towo`> happy fixing your fuckked install
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1543 [19:17:05] <BitNebula> towo`, I mean this uninstaller is
giving me more problems than the the installer did lol
1544 [19:17:21] <BitNebula> This installer was my only choice my
card wasn't supported when I did this :
1545 [19:17:57] <towo`> no, it was not the only choise
1546 [19:18:21] <apollo13> nkuttler:
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1547 [19:18:28] <towo`> you had 2 supported choices, 1. unsing
jessie-backports, 2. using stretch
1548 [19:19:03] <BitNebula> towo`, ok but what I'm saying is
when I first did this neither of those had drivers supporting the
1080 Ti
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1550 [19:19:17] <BitNebula> Unless I missed something but I looked
when I first did this
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1568 [19:24:53] <BitNebula> Seemed to get it working, just had to
run the nvidia uninstaller manually
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1570 [19:25:08] <BitNebula> all nvidia uninstalled :)
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1572 [19:25:38] <wfq> Thanks guys, a lot to catch up with
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1576 [19:26:23] <BitNebula> I'm able to only use backports
for certain packages right?
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1580 [19:30:43] <iodev> apollo13, guess you seen that movie
1581 [19:30:46] <iodev> :D
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1583 [19:31:20] <iodev> favorite scene: when they make that CO2
filter out of spare stuff and duck tape :D
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1585 [19:31:44] <BitNebula> How can I tell the version of the
nvidia drivers jessie-backports will install?
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1590 [19:34:07] <n4dir> BitNebula: try "apt-cache show
<pkg-name>"
1591 [19:34:17] <pingouin> BitNebula: apt list --all-versions
<paquage-name> ?
1592 [19:34:49] <n4dir> though you can always use -s , like
simulate, which will give you the info what it will do without doing
anything, iirc
1593 [19:34:55] <pingouin> BitNebula: apt install -t
stretch-backports <paquage-name> ?
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1595 [19:35:23] <BitNebula> cool thanks that helped n4dir :_
1596 [19:35:25] <BitNebula> :)*
1597 [19:35:40] <wfq> How do I ask the bot about deb-src sid
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1599 [19:36:04] <sebastia1> hello, Im trying to connect to
Postgres DB via IPSec from a PHP Script
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1601 [19:36:36] <n4dir> wfq: /msg dpkg ssb (like simple sid
backport) ?
1602 [19:36:37] <sebastia1> while I can connect using psql command
the PHP PDO failes to connect
1603 [19:37:07] <BitNebula> How can I switch my DM back to gdm
from lightdm?
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1607 [19:38:37] <teraflops> BitNebula: tried dpkg-reconfigure
lightdm?
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1609 [19:39:12] <wfq> n4dir sorry I don't get you. I got the
following info from dpkg and I'd like to know more about it:
ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see
<bdo>)
1610 [19:39:24] <BitNebula> teraflops, I just edited the
X11/default-desktop-manager file
1611 [19:39:53] <n4dir> wfq: type this at the beginning of an
empty line in your irc-client /msg dpkg deb-src sid
1612 [19:40:24] <wfq> n4dir thanks!
1613 [19:40:34] <teraflops> I do not have a debian istallation
with xorg at hand but isn't that file just a symlink?
1614 [19:40:44] <n4dir> wfq: to me it sure was confusing, and
still is, to be honest :-)
1615 [19:40:48] <BitNebula> actually that was not the correct way
to do it apparently lol going to try that command
1616 [19:41:17] <wfq> n4dir I just feel useless here :) but
getting there
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1618 [19:41:54] <n4dir> BitNebula: i always try
update-alternatives, have to use the web to know how exactly, but am
never sure if it helps with the problem at hand
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1620 [19:42:44] <BitNebula> everything siw roking finally
1621 [19:43:43] <BitNebula> thanks for the help everyone :) hope
my cuda still works lol
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1623 [19:44:03] <teraflops> n4dir: I think dpkg-reconfigure
<current-dm> is the preferred method
1624 [19:44:12] <BitNebula> yes that is what worked
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1630 [19:45:28] <n4dir> teraflops: thanks. i was only shooting an
ide.
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1639 [19:49:13] <Frosh> dpkg: warning: files list file for package
'ndiff' missing; assuming package has no files currently
installed in the latest debian
1640 [19:49:14] <dpkg> frosh: That isn't enough detail, post
the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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1642 [19:49:37] <wfq> n4dir, another silly question. When you
backport you do it by adding a backport source from at least the
previous release to your current one, don't you? For example if
I am on stretch I should add the one from Jessie no?
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1645 [19:50:48] <Brigo> wfq, no, you backport from sid or testing
to stable or old-stable.
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1647 [19:51:09] <n4dir> wfq: i am not really the right person to
ask. If i would run stable, i would add the sid src lines and
backport from there. I think
1648 [19:51:26] <wfq> Sorry :) I understood it all the way around
1649 [19:51:42] <Brigo> !ssbp
1650 [19:51:43] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1651 [19:53:18] <wfq> Brigo, thanks, nkuttler had let me know
before too but I clearly did not understand it
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1656 [19:54:40] <Brigo> wfq, np
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1667 [19:59:24] <wfq> Brigo I am not sure I follow. If this is to
backport from stretch deb
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1670 [20:00:35] <Brigo> wfq, the stretch-backport repo has already
backported packages. If you find what you are searching for there,
you are a lucky man. If not you have to backport it yourself.
1671 [20:01:10] <wfq> Ok, that's why I don't find it. I
see the whole picture now
1672 [20:01:46] <wfq> Brigo, it is just because apollo13 provided
here
replaced-url
1673 [20:01:53] <wfq> hence I got lost
1674 [20:02:21] <wfq> Oh I see that says that it can be backported
not that it is
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1676 [20:02:56] <Brigo> wfq, right.
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1700 [20:17:45] <beaver> hello, why debian stretch with mate is
not translate correctly in french ?
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1702 [20:18:33] <beaver> e.g : popup network-manager
1703 [20:18:59] <beaver> sorry for my bad english, i'am
french
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1706 [20:21:24] <jmcnaught> beaver: it could be becaue the
translation is incomplete
1707 [20:21:51] <jmcnaught> ahh.. sorry for my bad english, i
can't type
1708 [20:22:52] <beaver> there is a site that lets see?
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1710 [20:25:20] <jmcnaught> who see what?
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1712 [20:25:51] <beaver> what percentage is translated
1713 [20:26:36] <jmcnaught> Not that I'm aware of, but maybe
the GNOME project keeps track on their site
1714 [20:26:44] <rapha> Hi!
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1716 [20:27:01] <beaver>
replaced-url
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1718 [20:28:14] <rapha> I was on vacation and now came back and
wanted to apt upgrade my router box first thing. Unfortunately it
won't do that. "insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be
enabled to start service udev", then "update-rc.d: error:
insserv rejected the script header" and then packages
initramfs-tools and udev fail to complete installation. Is there a
way to fix this?
1719 [20:28:35] <beaver> ok jmcnaught
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1725 [20:31:50] <jmcnaught> beaver: the nm-applet you are talking
about, it is in the source package named network-manager-applet. If
you download that source package "apt-get source
network-manager-applet" you could look for in it for the
po/fr.po file, make a correction, make a patch, then submit the
patch with a bug report to
replaced-url
1726 [20:31:56] <jmcnaught> m. Or maybe that transifex website ...
1727 [20:31:59] <jmcnaught> ... helps connect translators with
projects.
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1729 [20:32:37] <jmcnaught> rapha: probably best to show the full
output in a paste, and also tell us about your custom init script.
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1731 [20:32:44] <rapha> jmcnaught: are the comments at the
beginning of files in /etc/init.d evaluated or are they just
comments?
1732 [20:32:57] <beaver> ok, thank you jmcnaught
1733 [20:32:58] <rapha> jmcnaught: I don't have any custom
init scripts on that machine. It's all stock.
1734 [20:33:03] <jmcnaught> rapha: the LSB headers are important
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1736 [20:33:17] <rapha> jmcnaught: Aha, so I could disable
requirement of mountkernfs there.
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1738 [20:33:45] <jmcnaught> rapha: from where? what are you
editing?
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1740 [20:34:19] <rapha> jmcnaught: /etc/init.d/udev. On a hunch.
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1742 [20:34:50] <jmcnaught> rapha: keep a backup of the original
file so you can revert to it
1743 [20:35:19] <rapha> jmcnaught: I backed up the line that I
removed.
1744 [20:35:58] <rapha> jmcnaught: Also, no need for it really, as
I use etckeeper.
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1747 [20:37:09] <jmcnaught> mountkernfs.service is masked on my
system
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1753 [20:39:09] <rapha> jmcnaught: I don't know what that
means but it seems now that it's not required by udev anymore,
the udev upgrade goes through fine.,
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1760 [20:41:31] <rapha> jmcnaught: Yay! All good again now! :) ...
I made a Gist so that the search engines can find the problem and
the solution:
replaced-url
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1763 [20:42:23] <jmcnaught> rapha: there is almost definitely
something else going on there considering my udev init script is
still default and my system upgrades fine
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1766 [20:44:25] <rapha> jmcnaught: the best guess I have is that
it has something to do with the NTOPNG repository I use.
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1768 [20:45:47] <rapha> jmcnaught: but then, some guys over at
replaced-url
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1785 [20:55:28] <apollo13> iodev: no
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1788 [20:56:10] <apollo13> wfq: no, that is just a command that
checks if something is backportable
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1811 [21:15:28] <Ruebezahl> I need help, would evryone help
me?(German possible)
1812 [21:15:34] <jelly> !ask
1813 [21:15:34] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
1814 [21:15:36] <jelly> !de
1815 [21:15:42] <jelly> !de
1816 [21:15:42] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in
#debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) -
German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net,
irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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1829 [21:20:45] <Ruebezahl> I have a problem with a partition. I
am runnig Debian version 9. When I try to boot it stopped. I must
del a lot of *.mp3 and *.mp4 in my gabbage(Trash), but how i kann
from another partition an a another OS changed it?
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1831 [21:21:26] <Ruebezahl> In this moment i work with LM and i
hope i can fixed my problem.
1832 [21:22:11] <Ruebezahl> with our help
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1837 [21:23:23] <jmcnaught> Ruebezahl: does the system refuse to
boot because your disk is full?
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1839 [21:23:48] <Ruebezahl> Of course, my partition have 20G and
20G is in used
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1842 [21:24:15] <nvz> how do I change the user transmission-daemon
runs as?
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1845 [21:24:43] <Ruebezahl> I had del mp3 and mp4, but i forggeted
that is only trannsferd in trash
1846 [21:24:49] <Ruebezahl> @nvz i dont now
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1848 [21:25:06] <jmcnaught> nvz: run "systemctl status
transmission-daemon" (or whatever the service is called), what
file does it say for the Loaded line?
1849 [21:25:12] <Ruebezahl> I am a beginner in Linux
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1852 [21:25:29] <jmcnaught> Ruebezahl: for GNOME, the trash for a
user is in /home/username/.local/share/Trash
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1854 [21:25:45] <Ruebezahl> Do not Gnome, i used Cinnamon
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1858 [21:26:40] <Ruebezahl> When i go in this part
"/home/username/.local/share/Trash" Terminal say me he can
not find it
1859 [21:26:40] <jmcnaught> Ruebezahl: you could also consider
deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb to free up enough space to be
able to boot
1860 [21:26:57] <jmcnaught> Ruebezahl: you of course changed
username for your own username?
1861 [21:27:03] <nvz> jmcnaught: you mean
/lib/systemd/system/transmission-daemon.service ?
1862 [21:27:49] <jmcnaught> nvz: yeah, so you can run
"systemctl cat transmission-daemon" to show it along with
overrides, look for User= and Group= lines
1863 [21:27:52] <Ruebezahl> @jmcnaugth:
"/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" what i delled with this
action?
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1866 [21:28:33] <nvz> I either need it to run as user or to create
files I can modify, its making files that are 644
debian-transmission:debian-transmission so even with group
membership I can't delete or modify them
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1869 [21:29:56] <nvz> jmcnaught: I need to use what then,
systemctl edit to modify this?
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1871 [21:30:31] <jmcnaught> nvz: if you run "systemctl edit
transmission-daemon" you can add "[Service] \n
Group=foobar" (two lines) which makes a file
/etc/systemd/system/transmission-daemon.service.d/override.conf
1872 [21:30:38] <nvz> this systemd is a pita, it won't let me
just use normal linux administration
1873 [21:30:47] <jmcnaught> why won't it let you?
1874 [21:30:59] <apollo13> nvz: lol, and what would
"normal" be?
1875 [21:31:02] <jmcnaught> you don't have to run
"systemctl edit" you can just make that fil manully
1876 [21:31:03] <nvz> idk because its designed to be a pain in the
ass..
1877 [21:31:12] <jmcnaught> you just gotta learn it…
1878 [21:31:12] <apollo13> noone forces you to use transmission
via systemd either
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1880 [21:31:20] <nvz> anytime I've done something manually
systemd either ignores it or puts it back
1881 [21:31:27] <apollo13> looooooooooool
1882 [21:31:51] <apollo13> well you cannot just write into
arbritrary files managed by a package system and expect it to stay
like that
1883 [21:32:03] <jmcnaught> for example, once you make an override
it will be shown in "systemctl cat foo.service", and also
by running "systemd-delta" which is handy
1884 [21:32:50] <nvz> what would be handy is if I could just get
rid of this crap and admin my system the way I have for over 15
years
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1886 [21:32:53] <apollo13> systemd is the first system that allows
me to write service files without making me wanting kill someone
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1888 [21:33:14] <apollo13> ah one of those people, change is bad
because to have to bother?
1889 [21:33:28] <apollo13> boy you must have hated going from
gnome 2 to gnome 3 or kde 3 to kde 4
1890 [21:33:41] <nvz> I never did any such thing
1891 [21:33:43] <apollo13> s/to have/you have/
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1894 [21:33:51] <petn-randall> nvz: No one is stopping you from
going back to sysv init.
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1896 [21:34:44] <nvz> but what I have done is understood my init
system to have scripts in /etc/init.d/ and links in /etc/rc*.d and
they could be managed manually or with rcconf or update-rc.d that
has been that way since I started using debian 15 years ago, now
none of that works
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1898 [21:35:11] <jmcnaught> you can still use update-rc.d on a
systemd Debian system
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1900 [21:35:30] <petn-randall> nvz: So what's stopping you
from using sysv init?
1901 [21:35:33] <sypher> Or learn how the new system works. Alas,
things do change.
1902 [21:35:33] <apollo13> nvz: sadly that stuff never worked in a
sane way
1903 [21:35:43] <nvz> yes you can, you can update-rc.d -f remove
ssh and then you can reboot to find sshd still running
1904 [21:35:47] <apollo13> even upstart was an improvement
1905 [21:36:05] <apollo13> if that is the case that is a bug in
debian
1906 [21:36:17] <apollo13> either way systemctl disable ssh would
certainly work
1907 [21:36:24] <jmcnaught> systemd is a massive improvement once
you learn it. it's the best thing since dependency resolution
for packages
1908 [21:36:28] <apollo13> sshd rather
1909 [21:36:30] <nvz> yes it did, but all 3 methods I knew already
didn't
1910 [21:36:48] <apollo13> we got it, change is bad…
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1912 [21:37:25] <petn-randall> nvz: Why are you dodging the
question and ranting on?
1913 [21:37:42] <nvz> I'm being trolled
1914 [21:37:58] <nvz> petn-randall: I tried that remove systemd
thing dpkg said, things got real hairy
1915 [21:38:00] <jmcnaught> well you asked how to do something in
systemd, i told you how, then you went into a rant…
1916 [21:38:27] <floki> hey there.
1917 [21:38:28] <apollo13> nvz: if you want debian without systemd
you should install Devuan
1918 [21:38:29] <sypher> nvz: So perhaps consider devoting the
energy you're currently wasting on complaining into learning
systemd?
1919 [21:38:36] <apollo13> it will not be a pleasant experience in
stretch
1920 [21:39:04] <petn-randall> nvz: What advice did you follow?
What error did you get?
1921 [21:39:19] <nvz> sypher: I've been trying to learn
systemd. and I'm making progress but mostly all I'm
learning is every issue I have traces back to systemd somehow
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1923 [21:40:22] <petn-randall> *plonk*
1924 [21:40:57] <sypher> nvz: Being blunt, here, I don't buy
that. You've done nothing but complain.
1925 [21:41:23] <apollo13> well systemd is certainly not without
problems -- but in the end it generally works better than init.d
1926 [21:41:27] <sypher> nvz: And if you're actually serious,
I'd say try HARDER.
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1928 [21:42:01] <nvz> you're doing nothing but complain at me
not liking systemd while I'm trying to address the current
issue
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1930 [21:42:24] <apollo13> <nvz> this systemd is a pita, it
won't let me just use normal linux administration <-- that
is hardly addressing an issue
1931 [21:42:39] <jmcnaught> we should all just drop it, or move
the discussion to #debian-offtopic if it's not going to be tech
support
1932 [21:42:48] <petn-randall> jmcnaught++
1933 [21:42:50] <nvz> agreed
1934 [21:43:28] <jmcnaught> nvz: if you really want to switch back
to sysvinit it is documented how to do it properly in
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz
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1936 [21:44:15] <jmcnaught> alternatively Mr. Poettering's
blog series about systemd is a good intro/supplement to the man
pages:
replaced-url
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1938 [21:47:23] <apollo13> btw does anybody else have shutdown
problems with systemd? I have 2 computers where sometimes systemd
hangs on shutdown and I cannot sensibly debug it
1939 [21:47:35] <apollo13> or rather every time I enable the debug
shell the issue doesn't occur XD
1940 [21:47:42] <sypher> apollo13: Only time I ever have that
issue is when using gdm as the DM on a system with an nvidia gpu.
1941 [21:47:55] <apollo13> sypher: gdm yes, intel cpu/gpu though
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1943 [21:48:14] <apollo13> it seems as if ™ a unit is not
shutting down properly
1944 [21:48:20] <sypher> apollo13: I fixed it by switching to
lightdm.
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1949 [21:48:53] <apollo13> Mhm, that is not what I'd call a
fix :D
1950 [21:49:21] <sypher> That's all I got.
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1952 [21:50:00] <apollo13> Gotta try it, but in the end I'd
like to debug it if possible
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1955 [21:51:00] <jmcnaught> apollo13: do you use persistent
journals? "journalctl -n 50 -b -1" for the last 50 lines
of the previous boot's journal
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1958 [21:51:39] <apollo13> jmcnaught: gotta check that next time
it happens -- but I think that the journal was already down at that
point
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1960 [21:52:03] <apollo13> which in itself would be weird because
disks are still mounted, so no need to turn it off
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1974 [21:56:18] <peyam> hi
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1978 [21:56:33] <peyam> Where can I install the testing release of
debian?
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1980 [21:56:44] <peyam> All I found is the unstable and stable one
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1983 [21:57:17] <peyam> what is Stretch and buster?
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1985 [21:57:50] <tw> stretch is current stable, buster is next
stable
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1988 [21:58:26] <peyam> is there very old packages in stretch?
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1991 [21:59:05] <tw> It was released last month, so not yet.
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1993 [21:59:10] <peyam> there are Stable- testing-unstable in
order of security updates and bug reporten
1994 [21:59:34] <peyam> what does the testing called? is it
downloadable?
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1999 [22:01:27] <Guest42835> @peyam you have to change your
sources.list to get all testing packaes
2000 [22:01:28] <petn-randall> peyam: If you don't know what
testing is called, it's best for you to use stable for now.
Testing is geared towards people who actively work on Debian.
It's buggy most of the time and is not covered by the security
team.
2001 [22:01:31] <Guest42835> *packages
2002 [22:02:07] <peyam> petn-randall, I'm worried all the old
packages.
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2005 [22:02:42] <nvz> Stretch just released, there isn't that
much newer in debian yet
2006 [22:02:50] <petn-randall> peyam: We prefer the term
"well tested".
2007 [22:03:03] <peyam> yes well-tested
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2009 [22:03:37] <nvz> peyam: is there something specific you
actually need newer versions of or do you just like living on the
edge of software?
2010 [22:03:43] <Guest42835> peyam otherwise you are betatesting
software you might not trust
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2012 [22:04:35] <peyam> nvz, Last time I installed midori on
debian (two years ago) I was the oldest looking webbrowser I had)
and there were some options that were missing in that release of
midori
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2017 [22:04:58] <peyam> Can I use newer packages even when I have
the stable version of Debian?
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2021 [22:05:47] <petn-randall> peyam: Yes, there is
stable-backports.
2022 [22:06:06] <petn-randall> peyam: Note however that not all
browsers have security support in Debian, it's documented in
the release notes.
2023 [22:06:15] <petn-randall> (mostly webkit based ones, IIRC)
2024 [22:06:30] <peyam> thank you
2025 [22:08:59] <tw> To be fair, midori from bazaar is still the
oldest-looking browser I have and I only have it to bypass the error
other browsers throw on 512-bit ssl certs.
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2028 [22:12:46] <peyam> Does the installer work fine with my wifi?
replaced-url
2029 [22:12:56] <peyam> or should I download non-free firmware?
2030 [22:13:09] <petn-randall> !firmeware installer
2031 [22:13:17] <jelly> !firmware images
2032 [22:13:17] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
2033 [22:13:17] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
2034 [22:13:26] <petn-randall> heh, beat me to it.
2035 [22:13:35] <petn-randall> peyam: Check out the link above.
2036 [22:13:55] <peyam> but would that not work? How do I know the
device I have should have non-free firmware?
2037 [22:14:05] <jelly> 05:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp.
RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI ?
2038 [22:14:16] <peyam> is it nonfree?
2039 [22:14:27] <jelly> show its pci id (lspci -nn will show it)
2040 [22:14:42] <peyam> lspci -nn ?
2041 [22:14:46] <petn-randall> peyam: Unfortunately most wifi
devices require firmware, and most is non-free.
2042 [22:14:48] <jelly> yes
2043 [22:15:05] <petn-randall> s/is/are/
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2045 [22:15:32] <peyam>
replaced-url
2046 [22:15:46] <jelly> ,pciid 1814:0301
2047 [22:15:47] <judd> [1814:0301] is 'RT2561/RT61 802.11g
PCI' from 'Ralink corp.' with kernel module
'rt61pci' in jessie. See also
replaced-url
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2050 [22:16:23] <jelly> yeah, those seem to use non-free
firmware-ralink
2051 [22:16:51] <jelly> which should be present on
"unofficial" netinst images w/ firmware
2052 [22:16:58] <peyam> jelly, If i download the netinstaller how
would that install the nonfree firmware? the wifi wouldnt work
during installation
2053 [22:17:24] <peyam> or would it?
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2055 [22:17:31] <jelly> peyam, the easiest thing to do is use the
netinst image that already has firmware
2056 [22:17:47] <peyam> awwkey. it has the firmware. very good.
2057 [22:17:50] <jelly> see what dpkg linked, above
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2059 [22:18:07] <peyam> and when it's installed? would it
install all the drivers? or should be done manually?
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2061 [22:18:19] <jelly> the default netinst does not have firmware
you hw needs
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2064 [22:19:05] <peyam> but the installer will connect to internet
with my wifi?
2065 [22:19:13] <peyam> the nonfree netinst
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2067 [22:19:18] <PipeItToDevNull> peyam, Not if it doesnt have the
firmware for your wifi
2068 [22:19:20] <jelly> that's the idea
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2070 [22:19:53] <peyam> okej very good. and it will install the
firmwares I need to make my computer work?
2071 [22:19:54] <jelly> PipeItToDevNull, the context is firmware
images.
2072 [22:20:22] <jelly> peyam, I _think_ so, but if it
doesn't, you can install it manually
2073 [22:20:47] <peyam> jelly, from the image? it's in there
right?
2074 [22:20:54] <peyam> sorry for my confusion.
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2076 [22:21:09] <peyam> I'm not a linux developer. just a
normal user.
2077 [22:21:30] <jelly> peyam, not sure, but no, netinst installs
most of the stuff from the net
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2079 [22:21:42] <peyam> very good. thanks
2080 [22:22:01] <awef>
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2107 [22:34:46] <tyranny12> hi. ive got a laptop with a fresh
install of stretch where networkmanager doesn't properly
authenticate to my wireless networks. ive gone through
troubleshooting - i know that specifically nm is failing to supply
the correct passphrase during the wpa handshake. i don't know
what it IS supplying.
2108 [22:35:00] <tyranny12> this was tested by connecting manually
via wpa_cli - works fine
2109 [22:35:12] <tyranny12> (except for nm clobbering resolv.conf)
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2112 [22:35:54] <tyranny12> so, my question is, last time i dealt
with this, eight years ago, the standard advice was to whack nm and
install wicd. that was long ago and a different distro. nm is a lot
more integrated and polished now.
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2114 [22:36:08] <tyranny12> is that still the advice? i've
never had to dive in to modern networkmanager.
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2116 [22:36:54] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: and you make a paste of
your NM logs, "journalctl -u NetworkManager"?
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2119 [22:39:10] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: yea will take a second. irc
client is on a different box.
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2121 [22:39:23] <tyranny12> (also, now i learned a new command)
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2129 [22:43:08] <tyranny12> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
2130 [22:43:24] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: thanks. sorry i meant
'can' where i said 'and'
2131 [22:43:30] <tyranny12> yea i figured it out
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2134 [22:43:53] <tyranny12> log entries relevant around 107 for a
failed auth with NM
2135 [22:44:00] <tyranny12> that'll show my messing with wpa
too, later on
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2139 [22:44:55] <tyranny12> (only as much as NM will be confused
when i kill it's supplicant to use my own)
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2143 [22:46:10] <teraflops> tyranny12: and why would you do such
thing?
2144 [22:46:42] <tyranny12> teraflops: that was to try manual
authentication via wpa_cli, not as standard practise
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2146 [22:46:54] <jmcnaught> don't go killing processes that
belong to services, stop the service if you must
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2148 [22:47:11] <tyranny12> fair dues
2149 [22:47:33] <tyranny12> i figured sending a halt vs a kill
would tell it to gracefully shut down and remove its lock file, and
it did so
2150 [22:47:34] <teraflops> tyranny12: then do as jmcnaught
pointed
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2153 [22:48:30] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: that's a bad practice.
use the systemctl command, or the service command if you already
know it
2154 [22:48:46] <tyranny12> teraflops: paste is above? As i
mentioned, line 107 shows the issue before i messed with
wpa_supplicant, i was just calling out that the last few lines of
the log were not relevant. i can supply a fresh log if needed
2155 [22:48:56] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: yep, noted for the future.
2156 [22:49:16] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: which NM interface are you
using? did it prompt to re-enter the WPA-PSK?
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2161 [22:50:35] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: gnome NM interface, if
that's what you mean. and yes, multiple times. I also went in
to the GUI and verified that passphrase was displayed correctly,
then tried connecting from that
2162 [22:50:48] <tyranny12> s/that/there/
2163 [22:51:23] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: tried telling it to forget
the network and connecting as if it were a new network?
2164 [22:51:25] <teraflops> tyranny12: I'm just pointing out
that NM already uses wpa_supplicant, if you dont want to use it via
NM, stop NM, then use your own thingy
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2166 [22:54:00] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: just tried again to be
sure, but yes, that doesn't work either. worth noting it's
showing this behaviour on both of my wireless networks.
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2172 [22:55:51] <tyranny12> teraflops: yea, the old advice used to
be to uninstall it and install wicd, was wondering if that was still
common
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2176 [22:56:22] <teraflops> tyranny12: whatever floats your boat,
NM is fine if you ask me
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2178 [22:56:57] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: NM has been reliable for
years
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2180 [22:57:37] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: agree, this was eight years
ago and it's improved to the point where i don't know how
to troubleshoot it for lack of need
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2182 [22:59:05] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: it's 100% impossible
you're entering the wrong password for your wifi?
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2185 [22:59:48] <Peyam> hi
2186 [22:59:56] <Peyam> so I just installed debian xfce
2187 [23:00:04] <Peyam> but the dislays are horrible
2188 [23:00:13] <Peyam> I tryi to install xserver-xorg-core
2189 [23:00:27] <Peyam> it says it is set to manually installed.
2190 [23:00:34] <jmcnaught> Peyam: hi. other people are also
talking, so please don't use <enter> in place of
punctuation
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2192 [23:00:51] <Peyam> sory about that
2193 [23:01:18] <jmcnaught> it's okay, it's just easier
for messages to get lost when they're spread across multiple
short lines
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2195 [23:01:46] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: sadly, yes, 100% sure.
here's a fresh paste from boot, no mucking about on my behalf
with services or killing of processes, with several attempts, after
forgetting the network -
replaced-url
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2197 [23:01:55] <jmcnaught> Peyam: what is so horrible about the
displays?
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2199 [23:02:48] <Peyam> they look not so good and my dual screen
is not recognized in settings
2200 [23:04:21] <tyranny12> hmm, giving NM seems to be in favour,
means im not going to look to rip it out yet, will have to google
more to see how nm controls wpa_supplicant.
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2202 [23:05:33] <teraflops> tyranny12: maybe the AP is using key
type your wireless nic does not support, or even a channel
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2205 [23:07:05] <tyranny12> teraflops: can connect fine if i use
wpa_cli to connect to the network. so im pretty sure something isnt
getting passed correctly to wpa_supplicent
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2207 [23:07:36] <teraflops> oh well
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2215 [23:12:52] <teraflops> tyranny12: which debian release are
you using? did you search if there's a bug related to your
issue?
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2217 [23:13:32] <teraflops> journalctl -u service name says
something?
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2219 [23:13:39] <tyranny12> fresh install of stretch. and am doing
that now, as well as looking in to NM debug logging.
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2222 [23:13:54] <teraflops> tyranny12: also which NM interface?
2223 [23:14:04] <teraflops> nmtui, kde/gnome applets?
2224 [23:14:17] <tyranny12> gnome applet, journalctl result here
-->
replaced-url
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2236 [23:20:58] <teraflops> tyranny12: no idea, yo do not have a
wpa_supplicant instance running there, appart from NM's one?
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2243 [23:22:01] <teraflops> you^
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2251 [23:24:48] <tyranny12> teraflops: nope, just NM. im basically
out-of-the-box bare install. funny thing is, ive got a laptop
downstairs running stretch on this network no problem. however,
there are at least two open bugs with people with similar systems,
so im going over those reports now
2252 [23:25:01] <tyranny12> s/systems/symptoms/
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2254 [23:25:56] <tyranny12> oh nm, i didnt look at the bloody date
2255 [23:25:57] <teraflops> tyranny12: are the wireless nics the
same?
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2257 [23:26:22] <tyranny12> teraflops: no, its most likely that
specific.
2258 [23:26:51] <tyranny12> teraflops: laptop downstairs is a
laptop, this is a surface pro 1st gen. i knew it would be a pain.
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2283 [23:38:42] <un214> how do I manage which root certificates
debian accepts (as opposed to web browser)?
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2289 [23:41:44] <rudi_s> un214: /etc/ssl and man
update-ca-certificates
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2294 [23:42:21] <rudi_s> However the web browsers accept the same
(well except maybe chromium which might have a separate storage, not
sure).
2295 [23:42:39] <un214> I found the brower's storage long ago
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2297 [23:43:01] <un214> but I'm pretty sure that
debian's store is still accepting startcom which was bought out
by an untrustworthy entity
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2301 [23:44:20] <bzed> un214: look into /etc/ssl/certs
2302 [23:44:30] <jmcnaught> un214:
/usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian
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2304 [23:45:13] <rudi_s> un214: Interesting, looks like it got
fixed in Stretch but not yet in Jessie.
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2306 [23:46:09] <nvz> I'm experiencing slow copy speeds from
my debian usb sata drive to an external ntfs drive, slow to the tune
of 30kb/s any thoughts on what might be wrong here?
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2310 [23:49:48] <bzed> nvz: ntfs maybe?
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2312 [23:50:05] <un214> there we go reconfigure the package to get
rid of them
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2320 [23:51:56] <nvz> bzed: why would ntfs be slowing it down this
much?
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