13[00:13:21] <ardualabs> Greets - I'm on stretch 9, and
got an Intuos CTL4100. The kernel seems to detect the device just
fine (dmesg, lsmod | grep wacom # and so on) but when I get into X11
it's not showing as a viable tablet (sidenote: Using cinnamon)
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24[00:16:26] <ardualabs> Shooting from the hip, but in ye olde
days, sometimes on multinic systems I ran into eth0 enumerating
differently from one boot to the next (rare) and things definitely
get weird if you add an interface (esp. in virtuals or hot-add
situations)
29[00:19:35] <ardualabs> fwiw, centos and others are doing the
same.
30[00:19:56] <de-facto> i dont even understand where that 3
comes from, i dont like it
31[00:20:43] <de-facto> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0
biosdevname=0" with "grub-mkconfig -o
/boot/grub/grub.cfg" and changing /etc/network/interfaces from
ens3 to eth0 seems to do the trick
86[01:06:29] <de-facto> btw what is the difference between
stretch-updates and stretch/updates?
87[01:07:05] <cheapie> That first one gets you
"normal" updates and the second one (note the
debian-security) is for security updates.
88[01:07:08] <somiaj> one is security (stretch/updates) the
others is previews of pacakages before they get put into a point
release, mostly just bug fixes
89[01:08:07] <cheapie> You can leave out the stretch-updates
one if you want, just don't expect too many bug fixes and stuff
if you do that. Don't leave out either of the other two.
124[01:39:57] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. My system froze completely
(even the kernel) so I had to power-cycle it. Now LibreOffice has
lost my preferences, recent documents, etc. Where are they stored on
the official backported LibO 6.x package for Stretch?
125[01:40:12] <Pegasus_RPG> (I suspect there's a file lock
or something.)
141[01:58:54] <rant> Pegasus_RPG: more than likely all your
settings are in ~/.config/libreoffice/ how can you be sure the
kernel froze? Did you try pressing numlock see if the light came on?
Try a sysrq command?
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193[02:20:31] <mefistofeles> that is, if bios I guess
194[02:20:40] * iflema nods
195[02:21:01] <iflema> bs= even
196[02:21:07] <michael2> I typed it, then realised, it was a
mistake, so I then used a zsh trick to run `lsblk' to see what
the correct /dev/* identifier was - then forgot I had command
sitting at command line. Momentarily lapse of concentration - hit
<Enter>
197[02:21:26] <mefistofeles> ouch xD, tough luck
198[02:21:48] <michael2> iflema: yes /sda is my only hard disk
199[02:21:54] <iflema> !next
200[02:21:54] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
209[02:27:39] <michael2> So this system won't reboot again.
but Im guessing I can continue to use the current in-memory system
to get files backed up. to prepare for another OS reinstall?
216[02:32:34] <michael2> so I need to get files and data copied
off this system. is there anyway I can check whether I killed blocks
belonging to those files? i.e. files whose inodes pointed to to
blocks I just wiped? or do I just assume all files on this system
are corrupted?
218[02:36:10] <ardualabs> if you haven't wiped all the
backup blocks on sda...
219[02:36:18] <ardualabs> assuming you're ext4?
220[02:37:05] <ardualabs> but that's some pretty darn
fiddly business. I'd personally just backup, and see
what's left when you have a stable system again.
222[02:37:24] <Pegasus_RPG> rant: yes and yes, neither
responded. (This happens somewhat regularly on this computer, about
once a week if I never reboot it.)
223[02:37:27] <ardualabs> assuming any of the utils you would
need to copy things around haven't gotten munged.
244[02:52:40] <rant> Pegasus_RPG: sounds like you need to
replace the user if you keep letting something like that happen.
245[02:53:20] <michael2> when I set the hard disk up I just used
the debian installer's option of using a LVM with full disk
encryption. can anyone how understands how that lays out the
partitions explain what data is contained in the first 34MB of this
device?
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270[03:18:58] <goose> I've got a headless home server which
I want to set up system encryption on (basically everything except
/boot). I've found various guides when google'ing how to
do this, but they mention different methods/programs for encryption.
What's the "standard"/go-to encryption software I
should be looking at using?
302[03:41:13] <rue_> I'm trying to collect spambot
information, I need to have a count of around 22 or more people in a
channel that dosn't matter, could I get some volunteers to join
#gnaatrap?
308[03:42:26] <AciD`> hey guys, anybody knows if a updated
version of the 'Understanding Debian, the universal operating
system' image has been released somewhere? (see
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325[03:55:35] <rant> I'm not a betting man, but if I were,
I'm willing to bet out of 1297 users on IRC as you say,
you're the only one who ever knew that existed :p
326[03:56:08] *** Quits: sulit (~sulit@replaced-ip) (Quit: Lost terminal)
327[03:56:25] <rant> cause I been using Debian SINCE Potato, and
been here about that long too (about 15 years) and I never seen it
before
331[03:57:40] <KelinerALOC> Wow, 15 years are longer than I have
lived...
332[03:58:05] <rant> that really only says, we put a lot of time
and effort into making nice looking material nobody will use for
anything but to act impressed at how much time we spend doing such
things
333[03:58:35] <rant> KelinerALOC: sorry to hear that, what do
you make of this planet? :P
340[04:02:01] <rant> KelinerALOC: well, you ok then, or you need
help with something?
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342[04:02:24] <somiaj> funny the image suggests testing for
'general users'
343[04:02:34] <rant> yeah that rubbed me the wrong way too
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345[04:03:00] <KelinerALOC> rant I am here for loneliness? Linux
is cool.
346[04:03:27] <rant> KelinerALOC: ah ok, well maybe check out
#debian-offtopic and hang out here to learn more ;)
347[04:04:32] <KelinerALOC> rant You're right :)
348[04:05:07] <rant> KelinerALOC: I'm just glad you
weren't gonna say you needed help collecting the debt we (US)
owe China.. cause I was gonna refer you to that big orange moron..
349[04:06:14] <rant> KelinerALOC: even a broken clock is right
twice a day.
374[04:10:55] <rant> KelinerALOC: this is not the official
Debian channel anymore. This is the legacy support channel which was
Offical back when I first came here. Debian has moved to the OFTC
irc network
375[04:11:19] <rant> KelinerALOC: are you a Debian user?
384[04:14:27] <rant> KelinerALOC: I wouldn't get too caught
up on those specialty distros were I you.. certainly cool to play
with if you have the time.. but its best to be part of a distro with
a large friendly support community
385[04:14:42] <rant> KelinerALOC: anything you can do on those
others you can probably manage to do on Debian.
392[04:17:51] <KelinerALOC> rant Nope, Common Lisp with SBCL
393[04:17:58] <rant> KelinerALOC: it was the Window Manager for
Gnome back in the day.. I still use it but its fallen behind in
development a bit. It's written in lisp. Its one of the most
powerful window managers ever created. Its just fallen out of style
due to lack of proper support for EWMH and Themes and such
406[04:23:50] <KelinerALOC> rant Thank you! You can also look
over this
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407[04:24:38] <KelinerALOC> rant I think I'm not so good at
English .... agh
408[04:25:55] <KelinerALOC> rant I am just a primary school
student... but thanks a lot:)
409[04:27:11] <KelinerALOC> rant The parrot offical site says :
Parrot is a GNU/Linux distribution based on Debian Testing and
designed with Security, Development and Privacy in mind.
410[04:27:25] <rant> KelinerALOC: you are doing quite well, and
I can understand why you might be interested in parrot if you are in
PRC, but we don't support that here.
411[04:27:48] <KelinerALOC> So I think I am also a debian user
...(HAPPY:)
413[04:28:50] <rant> no, you are being seduced by one of the
vast MANY debian spinoffs and thats keeping you from learning to do
those things that specific spinoff is geared toward, yourself and
alienating yourself from a large knowledgeable Debian community by
not just using Debian
431[04:33:37] <rant> KelinerALOC: my personal recommendation is
to install Debian stable, hang out here and other places, and try
out things like parrot and such inside a virtual machine such as
VirtualBox or such
432[04:34:11] <rant> that way you have the stability and support
of debian, and you learn to interact with and implement the things
you toy with yourself
433[04:35:23] <KelinerALOC> rant Thank you for your guidance.
434[04:36:39] <KelinerALOC> I thought more about programing
before
435[04:37:16] <KelinerALOC> But nothing much in system...
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437[04:37:52] <KelinerALOC> rant Are you interested in AI?
446[04:47:25] <rant> you really should look into
#debian-offtopic and other channels, this channel is for support of
Debian Stable, #debian-offtopic is a more social channel
447[04:48:54] <KelinerALOC> Yup I will
448[04:49:19] <KelinerALOC> I've love debian
449[04:52:16] <KelinerALOC> I think the channel #debian-offtopic
is more difficult to search than here
450[04:52:36] <KelinerALOC> But i'm happy to join that
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494[05:59:23] <zumba_addict> any suggestions which terminal I
should install? I don't like the currently installed one. I
want something similar to my Iterm2 or maybe even better
568[07:55:20] <kale> hi, i have at some point been running
testing by mistake, and downgraded to stretch again. but i still
have som remaning issues. when i want to install gtk+3.0 it gives
something like: "libwxgtk-media3.0-gtk3-0v5 : Depends:
libwxbase3.0-0v5 (>= 3.0.4+dfsg) but 3.0.2+dfsg-4 is to be
installed". How do i figure out which package gives me this
problem?
598[08:15:20] <no_gravity> Ha! I was able to change a style by
creating a file ~/.gtkrc-2.0
599[08:15:23] <no_gravity> What I am trying to achieve is to
have a padding in the terminal window. Any ideas how to do that?
600[08:15:50] <Haohmaru> but the hard disk on this was kinda
small-ish, and now the debian on this is used for more things than i
initially expected, i've ran out of space two or three times
already
601[08:16:31] <kale> Haohmaru: check for old package file is
/var/cache/apt
627[08:28:33] <kale> Haohmaru: if you do "du -hs /*"
then you should see which of those dirs take up the most space. you
can then make a partition for that directory in you unallocated
space and mount it there instead
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630[08:29:02] <Haohmaru> hmz
631[08:29:03] <kale> Haohmaru: i would recommend taking a look
at lvm
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633[08:29:24] <Haohmaru> i think i've looked into it, but
it seems complicated at first
635[08:31:48] <kale> Haohmaru: i guess so. what you need to get
it running is to create a physical volume, create a volume group on
that, and the the lvm partitions in the volume group. it would
require some cleverness to switch without reinstalling.
636[08:32:35] <Haohmaru> i think it's not worth to attempt
such stunts in my case
637[08:33:10] <Haohmaru> i'm more considering switching
from stretch to testing so i can get a few newer versions of the
programs i use
639[08:34:59] <Haohmaru> i'm wondering.. if i make the 26GB
unalocated chunk be a new "/", and then maybe wipe the old
14GB "/" and glue it onto the /home partition without
disturbing the files, then install testing onto that
652[08:51:56] <Haohmaru> rant yes, i got LXDE and i'm using
it for CAD stuff
653[08:52:21] <[Signal]> in essence of things, programs are that
wide.
654[08:52:25] <rant> well I dont even use LXDE and I can assure
you it has nothing at all to do with CAD
655[08:53:02] <Haohmaru> but i can't do anything right now
because i'm using it.. but soonish i'm considering moving
it to "testing"
656[08:53:28] <Haohmaru> rant uhm, well, i need some desktop to
run the CAD programs, lxde is my choice
657[08:53:39] <rant> well if you move to testing you're
saying I no longer will be getting support here in this channel, and
I know how to solve basic package breakages and use the BTS on my
own
658[08:54:09] <rant> where if you actually have new features in
a SPECIFIC program we can look into other options to keep you on
stable and get that newer program
659[08:54:27] <Haohmaru> oh wait, i have misunderstood you
666[08:58:14] <Haohmaru> but it might break my current projects
(which are done with kicad4) so i might have to be able to also run
kicad4 in an emergency situation
667[08:58:25] <rant> Haohmaru: that looks to be somethign really
simple to backport.. are you at all familiar with the ssb
proceedure? Its really simple
668[08:58:42] <Haohmaru> i guess i'm not
669[08:58:49] <rant> Haohmaru: well in that case you may want a
chroot rather than a backport
670[08:59:08] <rant> Haohmaru: so you can keep the stretch 4.x
and install the buster/sid 5.x in a chroot
673[08:59:59] <rant> Haohmaru: there is no reason to go possibly
breaking your system to get a couple newer programs an SSB and a
chroot are the best and simplest two options
680[09:01:25] <rant> well 4.0.7 is in backports, and thats not
naughty.. if you didnt use the backports version, then you're
just showing how little you know Debian and exactly why you shouldnt
be moving to testing
681[09:02:00] <Haohmaru> nah, i was instructed how to get 4.0.7
properly (here)
682[09:02:21] <Haohmaru> i call it naughty cuz it was via
commands, while i usually use synaptic
683[09:02:21] <rant> not only is getting both 4.0.7 and 5.0.0
easy in stable, but we have some regulars here who use kicad
regularly for work and play and can support it well for you
684[09:02:31] <rant> if you go switching to testing you lose
that support
689[09:04:11] <Haohmaru> tried out a bunch of DEs and what not,
later i changed it to "stretch"
690[09:04:42] <rant> yes well just before/during a freeze isnt
so bad.. cause it'll be stable real soon.. but we can't
and dont suppot testing here.. you not only are left going to OTFC
and dealing with a more narrow support group, but you are expected
to know how to solve basic issues and report more complex ones
691[09:05:00] <rant> people aren't going to offer you the
same level of support when you declare you're a tester not a
normal user
692[09:05:16] <Haohmaru> yeah, i get that
693[09:05:31] <Haohmaru> oftc was a little bit more like the
wild west ;P~
696[09:05:48] <rant> and I can't express enough that there
are very simple ways to get newer packages in Stable
697[09:05:54] <rant> !ssb
698[09:05:55] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
699[09:06:25] <rant> that proceedure right there is dead
simple.. it may be a lil confusing at first but once you do it and
see how easy it is..
700[09:07:11] <rant> the other is to create a dir somewhere..
/srv/, /opt/, /home/, /usr/local/ wherever you like and use
debootstrap to install testing/unstable in it..
701[09:07:29] <Haohmaru> that takes the source codez for a
program from the debian testing, and builds it?
702[09:07:39] <rant> then you can chroot to that dir and install
apps and run them from within that chroot
703[09:08:03] <rant> Haohmaru: exactly, it uses apt to fetch the
newer source and build a package against the STABLE dependencies
708[09:09:33] <rant> Haohmaru: so if foo-1.2 in stable depends
on bar-5.4 and foo-2.7 in testing depends on bar-6.3 in testing you
backport it, apt fetches the source for foo-2.7 in testing and
builds it against bar-5.4 in stable
709[09:09:47] <rant> then you have a deb file of the newer foo
that works with all the older bars
710[09:10:14] <Haohmaru> okay, i can't try any of that here
right now, but i could try it at home, since i don't have
urgent kicad projects there
711[09:11:10] <rant> yes well when you backport the new backport
deb is gonna replace the existing version.. if you wanna keep both
versions you either need a more complex backporting proceedure or
you need to use a chroot
712[09:11:52] <rant> a chroot is a whole other install inside a
directory which can run programs on top of but seperate from your
running system
713[09:12:37] <rant> debootstrap is a handy tool you can use
that will install a base-install of any given branch from any given
repo into a directory to use as a chroot
714[09:13:22] <rant> you need to learn how to do things like
this, and how to use the BTS and all that before you even think of
moving to testing/unstable or you're only going to cause
yourself and volunteer supporters more problems
715[09:14:00] <Haohmaru> is this whole process explained (even
just briefly) somewhere on a webpage so i can study it a bit more at
home?
716[09:14:42] <Haohmaru> i think i did "chroot" once
when i messed up something in grub due to incompleted kernel update
717[09:15:10] <Haohmaru> but, i think it's not the same
kind of usage as here
731[09:25:19] <rant> yes chroot is very simply a commmand that
runs another command, much like su or sudo does, only where those
run it as a different user, chroot runs it changing the root
directory so the program cannot see beyond the path specified and
considers that path its root
733[09:25:58] <rant> the thing that makes it effective in this
use case is debootstrap which installs a debian base system
including apt and such into a directory
736[09:26:38] <rant> you need only install chroot and
debootstrap and read their manpages, and when in doubt come here and
most anyone can help you.. and dpkg can always recite the ssb mantra
to you by doing /msg dpkg ssb
836[09:48:41] <hans_> colo-work, that fixed chromium! (but not
firefox-esr for some reason. i did shut down all visible windows but
maybe something in the background, or maybe it needs a restart?
either way, chromium works)
837[09:48:42] <arahael> Install them all! :)
838[09:49:13] <AciD`> rant ⟹ I hear you ; I too never
encountered that infography before today, and I've been using
Debian for longer than you apparently
839[09:49:13] <colo-work> hans_, restarting the x11 application
should suffice
840[09:49:27] <AciD`> but it looks ok for a presentation about
Debian
901[10:47:37] <_wrksx> what "module" is used to auto
mount partitions when plugging an USB device
902[10:48:19] <_wrksx> and does it rely on the fstab if it
contains info about this device ?
903[10:52:51] <Haohmaru> there are probably mutliple ways it can
be done, i know some filemanagers can even auto-mount such devices
(PCManFM for example)
938[11:24:34] <ntz> I want to reduce the LV that is filled
55/300GB by 50GBs ... lvreduce manpage is rather scary saying, that
all data on reduced extends will be lost ... did some test and seems
like that the
953[11:28:12] <bites> lvm has the tendency to crap out at the
worst of times.
954[11:28:13] <ntz> bites: oldstable :D
955[11:28:24] <bites> eh, backups not updates.
956[11:28:31] <bites> brain not fully bootes yet.
957[11:28:45] <bites> *booted. see?
958[11:29:49] <ntz> I did it already ... it passed .. fsck.ext4
/dev/rpool/home says it's clean
959[11:30:50] <ntz> I'm always saying to ppl that when they
are installing a new system that they should always leave se free
PEs in VG if possible, they don't listen :P
971[11:43:50] <sine0> guys anyone have experience of domain
transfers, does the dns info have to be setup before the transfer or
does it naturally preserve it
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981[11:50:25] <sine0> Fox, k, jelly: but how do I get all the
information to carry over, I can do dig lookups, but not sure how I
get all the information. this is working business with busy mail and
I have been putting off this process...
990[11:52:39] <sine0> Fox: what do you mean the actual dns zone?
im sorry but I have lots of domains and I setup the mx/a/ns on them,
but this is with someone else who I have contact with via email, and
my client wants me to take ownership of the domain onto an account
999[11:54:39] <sine0> Fox: ok that is fair enough, but for
example I wouldnt know how to give you access to a dns zone of my
domains, so I wouldnt know how to access one either, I will look it
up, is it like guest access to the table ?
1000[11:54:42] <Fox> sine0: I'm sure godaddy does give
access to you're zone details via their website
1129[13:32:32] <ngomes> something, that uppon kernel update can
configure my graphics card without me having to install the drivers
from scratch
1130[13:33:13] <jelly> !nvidia dkms
1131[13:33:13] <dpkg> For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later
systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>.
«aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed
's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir -p
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section
"Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver
"nvidia"\nEndSection' >
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to
enable the <nouveau> blacklist.
1132[13:33:21] <jelly> !non-free sources
1133[13:33:21] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
1134[13:33:32] <jelly> ngomes, ^^
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1136[13:34:55] <ngomes> jelly, i'm on it , thank
1137[13:34:56] <ngomes> jelly, i'm on it , thank
1138[13:34:57] <ngomes> jelly, i'm on it , thanks
1139[13:35:19] <jelly> two thank equal one thanks yes
1160[13:52:40] <dpkg> Mesa 3D is an open source implementation of
the <OpenGL> API.
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1161[13:52:50] <ngomes> !glx
1162[13:52:50] <dpkg> GLX (OpenGL Extension to the X Window
System) enables programs wanting to use <OpenGL> to do so, via
a window provided by X Window System.
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1183[14:08:34] <AeCEgGfTv5> I'm setting up a linux router,
it has 3 interfaces: eth0 (internet/wan), eth1 (lan), tun0 (vpn).
All traffic should go through the vpn tun0. The setup is currently
working.
1184[14:08:46] <AeCEgGfTv5> can someone review my iptables to
ensure they are secure and restrictive?
1193[14:12:53] <kopper> For iptables rules, how about #netfilter?
1194[14:13:25] <AeCEgGfTv5> letme try that thanks
1195[14:13:37] <aloo_shu> from what I hear, in to world of
open-rwt they set up more custom things
1196[14:14:37] <AeCEgGfTv5> i don't really trust open-rwt
and dd-wrt. DD-wrt developers are not good, one release had a
"accidental" backdoor and the developer did not inform
anybody about it
1209[14:16:31] <AeCEgGfTv5> so some people are probably still
running that release
1210[14:16:37] <jediofthecode> i also had a problem with gnome on
stretch.Docker is creating virtual network interfaces but
they're all showing up under the 'dropdown' menu
1239[14:29:44] <greycat> Why would we look at the docs of this
thing that is totally unrelated to your desire to change the mount
options of /home?
1240[14:30:53] <petn-randall> !context
1241[14:30:54] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example,
let us know which command/program you are running, what you
expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as
possible. If your command produced output, share the complete
command (with all parameters!) and its output on
replaced-url
1243[14:31:18] * aloo_shu dimly remembers gvfs mounts sitting in there
that uid1000 could write to, but root couldn't
1244[14:31:23] <greycat> Also, why would you want a setuid
program in a user's home directory in the first place?
1245[14:31:27] <_AleX_> mount -o remount,suid /run/user/1000
works but solve my problem, maybe i'm wrong. suid program dont
work inside /home/myuser
1246[14:31:38] <_AleX_> mount -o remount,suid /run/user/1000
works but dont solve my problem, maybe i'm wrong. suid program
dont work inside /home/myuser
1247[14:31:44] <j0seph> hiya all, I've been considering
making a move to debian and I wanted to ask a question or two just
to clear some trivial things up before i make a decision
1248[14:31:51] <petn-randall> _AleX_: Tell us about the problem
you're trying to solve, not what you think the solution is.
1249[14:31:54] <petn-randall> !xy problem
1250[14:31:54] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
1251[14:31:57] <greycat> Why would you think that changing the
mount options of /x would affect the behavior of /y?
1259[14:33:13] <greycat> Putting a setuid-to-root program in
/home/susan is ludicrous.
1260[14:33:15] <petn-randall> _AleX_: And why not just put it in
/usr/local/bin/?
1261[14:33:18] <FinalX> setuid in /usr/bin?
1262[14:33:23] <FinalX> put it in sbin at the very least :p
1263[14:33:42] <j0seph> out of debian testing and debian
unstable, which is 'better' for security updates?
('better' as in availability, priority, etc.)
1264[14:33:48] <FinalX> forget my last comment.
1265[14:33:53] <petn-randall> j0seph: None of them.
1266[14:33:55] <_AleX_> petn-randall: just for understand how to
suid limitations of users works
1267[14:34:05] <petn-randall> j0seph: If you want timely security
updates, stick with stable.
1269[14:34:11] <_AleX_> petn-randall: and how to remove it if
people ask me
1270[14:34:27] <petn-randall> _AleX_: If the program check from
where it's being run, you need to edit the program.
1271[14:34:48] <petn-randall> *checks
1272[14:35:00] <FinalX> j0seph: I'd like to add that
backports only receive selective updates, stable repo gets them for
sure and in a timely fashion.. backports are anyone's guess
1273[14:35:01] <_AleX_> petn-randall: it's not a check made
by the program, it's a config parameter of the system
1282[14:36:23] <greycat> Since, you know, the program was
allegedly IN /home.
1283[14:36:30] <petn-randall> j0seph: However, if you really want
to beta-test the unfinished release of Debian, you can go with the
following to cherry-pick security fixes from unstable:
1284[14:36:33] <petn-randall> !tum
1285[14:36:33] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one
set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable
install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as
usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release:
set Preferences->Distribution.
1286[14:36:39] <_AleX_> petn-randall: make a test : with a normal
user, copy /usr/bin/passwd in your homedir and launch the command.
On another window you will see that the process run with your user
identity and not the root identity
1287[14:36:57] <greycat> _AleX_: if you only "copied"
the program to your home directory, then it is not setuid.
1289[14:37:01] <petn-randall> j0seph: ^^^ However, both testing
and unstable break regularly, so if you have to ask, you probably
should be running stable.
1291[14:37:08] <j0seph> petn-randall, FinalX: i would like to run
stable, though i'm not sure if i'd prefer running older
software. as such I wanted to make a decision between testing and
unstable. if they're both on the same level in regards to
security and both are discouraged if security is a concern, perhaps
debian isn't for me
1292[14:37:29] <FinalX> any software in any non-rolling distro is
outdated by default
1293[14:37:43] <petn-randall> j0seph: stable or new, pick one.
1294[14:37:45] <_AleX_> jelly: same with chmod u+s ./passwd
1295[14:38:08] <jelly> _AleX_, show "ls -ld ./passwd"
from that example, and output of "mount"
1296[14:38:23] <petn-randall> _AleX_: I haven't seen any
command nor output yet ...
1297[14:38:24] <greycat> _AleX_: show us "ls -l" of the
copy and show us the mount options of whatever file system the thing
is ACTUALLY IN, which is NOT /run.
1320[14:40:57] <greycat> [sr]: so you just thought you could
insert some random comment into a crontab file and it would
magically do something? Even though it's a comment?
1321[14:41:05] <_AleX_> jelly: greycat : i'm running Linux
since the 0.98b2 kernel ...
1322[14:41:07] <FinalX> yeah, was trying to remember if there was
a more common one in debian, too :P
1323[14:41:12] <jelly> _AleX_, we _need_ to know whether you did
it as root, and we _need_ to know which specific mountpoint it was
copied to.
1324[14:41:20] <[sr]> greycat: ok, but how would i specify the
UID+GID then?
1325[14:41:30] <[sr]> googled a bit but didn't found any
relevant info
1326[14:41:34] <petn-randall> _AleX_: If you can't show us
the output, we can't help you. Simple stuff.
1327[14:41:52] <greycat> [sr]: are you talking about /etc/crontab
as opposed to regular crontab(5)?
1328[14:41:53] <jelly> _AleX_, we don't know that and even
experts can get confused sometimes, so pretty please show the actual
info, when you have access to the system
1330[14:42:22] <[sr]> greycat: yes, a line that is in
/etc/crontab
1331[14:42:28] <j0seph> bitess: ah, so stable currently IS on
4.9. thanks
1332[14:42:56] <petn-randall> j0seph: That's right. But you
can get the 4.16 from stretch-backports.
1333[14:43:25] <FinalX> but backports doesn't get updates
from stretch-security
1334[14:43:27] <greycat> [sr]: the man page says that
/etc/crontab has a "username" field. It does not specify
any way to give a numeric UID. It does not specify any way to give a
group name OR a GID.
1335[14:43:34] <jelly> _AleX_, I spent an hour fixing an issue
before checking for disk full, just a couple weeks back, and
I've been using Linux since 1.2
1336[14:43:47] <[sr]> greycat: damn, that's what i had in
mind
1337[14:43:50] <greycat> [sr]: you can try using a numeric UID
instead of a username, and see what happens. Other than that, you
can download the source code of cron and see what it does.
1338[14:44:01] <[sr]> greycat: doesn't work
1339[14:44:34] <j0seph> petn-randall: coolio, thanks. a couple of
my main concerns was the older kernel and older version of KDE
Plasma (I absolutely hate 5.8 but love 5.13)
1340[14:44:43] <_AleX_> jelly: greycat : i found my solution, a
stupid problem of rights, i'm very sorry to distrub you with
that. Thank you a lot
1341[14:44:49] <petn-randall> [sr]: Why can't you just use a
username/groupname? The user must exist on the system to work,
anyway.
1342[14:44:59] <_AleX_> (i forget petn-randall in the greetings)
1343[14:45:06] <[sr]> petn-randall: no system users
1344[14:45:17] <petn-randall> _AleX_: ... which we could have
pointed out easily if you had showed us the output.
1351[14:48:08] *** Parts: _AleX_ (~alex@replaced-ip) ("I'll be back !")
1352[14:48:19] *** Quits: conta (~Thunderbi@replaced-ip) (Quit: conta)
1353[14:48:29] <greycat> e.g. if you have daemontools installed,
you could use setuidgid; or if you have runit installed, you could
use chpst; I have no idea if systemd provides something equivalent
1354[14:50:14] <jelly> it's probably done as an option
inside the unit definition file
1355[14:50:15] <[sr]> this is because a wordpress cron
1356[14:50:48] <greycat> jelly: yeah, that's why I'm
thinking there isn't an actual program provided to do it. He
might want to just install runit to get the chpst program.
1357[14:50:57] <[sr]> my 2nd option is to run the cron via url
and not the script directly, like: php /path/wp-cron.php, and yes
wget XXXX
replaced-url
1358[14:51:12] <jelly> [sr], why does it have to be numeric uid
and gid?
1359[14:51:21] <greycat> [sr]: which number option is "add
the user to the system"
1360[14:51:33] <[sr]> 'cause my vhost's use
uid+gid's
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1385[14:55:14] <greycat> Rather than writing your own deriviative
distribution and then not understanding it/
1386[14:55:14] <jelly> that's what I do with a horrible
legacy custom qmail setup
1387[14:55:41] <jelly> greycat, Debian is a platform. People run
all sorts of crap on top of it.
1388[14:55:44] <[sr]> no qmail here, postfix&dovecot ;)
1389[14:56:03] <greycat> Sure, but if you remove pieces of the
platform, then at what point does it stop being something we can
support here?>
1390[14:56:21] <jelly> greycat, it's also said to be a
"universal operating system" so it's MEANT to be used
to run anything on it.
1391[14:56:25] <greycat> I'm saying that when you remove the
freaking /etc/passwd file, you've already crossed that line.
1392[14:56:39] <jelly> [sr], did you remove /etc/passwd file?
1393[14:56:48] <Pegasus_RPG> rant: Well, I suspect the anti-virus
engine is the problem. The kernel hanging tends to happen when the
A-V engine updates itself. Not every time of course, just once in
awhile. I'd like to try disabling it for a week and see if it
occurs, but then I'm at risk. It uses FANotify though so
I'm surprised it could hang the kernel.
1394[14:57:00] <[sr]> jelly: of course not! just my apache
vhost's use numeric UID+GID, just that!
1395[14:57:21] <jelly> greycat, see, it's still there. Just
not all the users are in it.
1396[14:57:41] <[sr]> apart from that, it's all debian the
system, which i LOVE
1397[14:57:47] <FinalX> what about just doing: sudo -u #1000
crontab -e
1398[14:57:51] <greycat> I've already /ignored it. If the
/etc/passwd file is there but he REFUSES TO USE IT because he's
a stubborn jackass, then what is the point of offering assistance?
1399[14:57:51] <[sr]> i want to marry with it 'cause i love
it
1400[14:57:58] <FinalX> and putting it in there instead of
/etc/crontab or /etc/cron.*/*
1401[14:58:13] <greycat> FinalX: sudo -u needs an argument.
You've stopped the shell command with a comment. So you will
get a usage error.
1402[14:58:17] <jelly> [sr], honestly I'd do a simple
mapping uid 1000 -> user u1000 and keep it updated
1403[14:58:25] <FinalX> greycat: no, it works fine here.
1404[14:58:38] <greycat> FinalX: then you are not typing what you
said.
1405[14:58:40] <FinalX> well, my shell is different, but still
1409[14:58:50] <[sr]> jelly: i'll just call the cron via
url, and won't have to touch anything else of my setup, that
way the file will run with the vhost's uid+gid (that are
numeric)
1415[15:00:11] <FinalX> greycat: using zsh, I get a perfectly
running crontab -e as uid 1000. if # stopped the line, I'd have
gotten the error: sudo: option requires an argument -- 'u'
1416[15:00:18] <greycat> FinalX: But, if sudo -u can be used as a
chainloading alternative to setuidgid, using whatever shell quoting
is necessary to pass the argument that begins with # (probably just
regular quotes), then sure. Go for it. I didn't think it would
work, so I didn't suggest that.
1417[15:00:34] <jelly> my shell does not think # in the
interactive command line is a comment
1418[15:00:37] <greycat> you're telling me that zsh
doesn't treat a word starting with # as a
comment-until-end-of-line?
1419[15:00:47] <jelly> greycat, of course not
1420[15:00:53] *** glennb is now known as glennb_
1421[15:00:55] <FinalX> it does, but not in this case, apparently
1422[15:00:55] *** Quits: KelinerALOC (~keliner@replaced-ip) (Quit: Lost terminal)
1423[15:00:59] <jelly> who writes comments in interactive CLI?!
1424[15:00:59] <FinalX> surprised as you are :)
1425[15:01:07] <bitess> !localized errors
1426[15:01:07] <dpkg> To provide command output in English
instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one
(e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get
-f install".
1427[15:01:08] <jelly> [15:00] ~ => echo #foo
1428[15:01:08] <jelly> #foo
1429[15:01:12] <bitess> nrubsig: ^
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1431[15:01:23] <FinalX> though if you specify a uid not in
passwd: crontab: your UID isn't in the passwd file.
1432[15:01:25] <bitess> nrubsig: show us the command you used
too, please.
1433[15:01:28] <FinalX> so, guess it's pointless either way
:)
1434[15:01:39] <greycat> FinalX: sudo, or crontab?
1435[15:01:56] <FinalX> what, the error? comes from crontab
1436[15:02:05] <nrubsig> bitess: $ apt-get install
./subgit_3.3.3_all.deb # as user "root"
1437[15:02:14] <greycat> FinalX: I thought you were talking about
sudo -u '#6666'
1466[15:04:15] <FinalX> I'm not the one having the fucking
problem here.
1467[15:04:16] <greycat> BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ZSH
1468[15:04:21] <FinalX> Chill the hell out.
1469[15:04:22] * nrubsig threatens zsh users here with ksh93's
object-oriented extensions
1470[15:04:29] <jelly> greycat, it's not #bash either.
1471[15:04:31] <FinalX> You just start ranting about things you
haven't even tried yet.
1472[15:04:43] <FinalX> "it doesn't work"... yet
it does
1473[15:04:51] <queip> jelly: well he has a point, debian
defaults to bash
1474[15:04:57] <greycat> jelly: a crontab line is interpreted by
/bin/sh which will treat a # as a comment unless quoted. Everyone
offering assistance here should understand this.
1475[15:05:02] <jelly> cron uses /bin/sh by default, not zsh, not
bash
1476[15:05:18] <FinalX> which is dash
1477[15:05:20] <FinalX> congrats
1478[15:05:30] <greycat> Which is either dash or bash or some
other posix-compliant shell.
1480[15:05:52] <greycat> I bet zsh invoked as sh would probably
treat an unquoted #1 as a comment too.
1481[15:06:14] <jelly> in fact, if cron thinks it can avoid
calling /bin/sh at all it will spawn the command on its own
1482[15:06:18] <nrubsig> jelly: by definition /bin/sh should be a
POSIX-conforming shell. If anyone wants to suffer ... conformance
level goes from 1) ksh93 (fully conformany) 2) bash --posix 3) dash
4) bash (default mode)
1483[15:06:19] <FinalX> it doesn't matter now, does it?
point is, with sudo you run programs as numeric user id's, yet
crontab doesn't accept it. that was the whole point of
everything and you're taking your frustration out on me without
1) checking things yourself first and 2) talking to the right person
who is actually asking for help
1484[15:06:25] <FinalX> I'm not asking for your help, or
ever asking for your help.
1494[15:09:13] <nrubsig> [sr]: too late to be sorry - this is
Debian, and Debian people are like the people of the Earth Kingdom:
Proud, stubborn, and bash in heads over harmless arguments
1507[15:11:38] <nrubsig> bitess: install *.deb package from local
filesystem
1508[15:11:52] <nrubsig> What does $ apf -f install # do ?
1509[15:11:58] <greycat> nrubsig: take it up with the wordpress
dude who has a passwd file but refuses to use it for some personal
challenge reason that he thinks we will honor
1510[15:12:07] <bitess> install the missing dependencies.
1511[15:12:37] <bitess> just let him be...
1512[15:13:07] *** glennb_ is now known as glennb
1513[15:13:10] <nrubsig> bitess: my ancient ubunto has no command
called "apf" ...
1562[15:22:51] <ngomes> it looks like wine32 is missing, you
should install it.
1563[15:23:12] <ngomes> wine is installed , should i need wine32
?
1564[15:24:30] <bitess> fender0107401: apt repositories are just
http servers on port 80.
1565[15:24:50] *** donnelly is now known as TheDonnelly
1566[15:24:55] *** TheDonnelly is now known as donnelly
1567[15:25:01] <bitess> !multiarch
1568[15:25:02] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& apt-get update». See
replaced-url
1578[15:30:39] <thms> "Unable to satisfy the build-depends:
Build-Depends: dh-apache2" when running aptitude build-dep
libapache2-mpm-itk. I've tried installing dh-apache2 and
apache2-dev, stil lsame problem.
1579[15:31:04] <thms> Quite sure this is the reason why the
following steps are not working, though not sure. I'm trying to
build a package without an option (capabilities)
1580[15:31:22] <thms> Can anyone help me out with this ? Not sure
where to start to debug :/
1581[15:31:25] <ngomes> The following packages have unmet
dependencies:
1582[15:31:25] <ngomes> wine32:i386 : Depends: libwine:i386 (=
1.8.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
1583[15:31:25] <ngomes> E: Unable to correct problems, you have
held broken packages.
1587[15:32:53] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1588[15:32:57] <bitess> ngomes: ^
1589[15:33:15] <Brigo> ngomes, you don't need wine for
running steam in debian, just need to activate multiarch so you can
use 32bit software in you amd64 installation.
1590[15:34:11] <ngomes> Brigo, how do i check if it is activated
?
1591[15:34:34] <jelly> thms, which version of libapache2-mpm-itk
are you building, on which debian release?
1592[15:34:57] <jelly> just a package rebuild with different
options within the same release?
1593[15:35:33] <thms> jelly thaty's what i aim yes
1598[15:36:01] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1599[15:36:11] <jelly> thms, ^ start with all that
1600[15:36:26] <nrubsig> !help
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1658[15:52:58] <jediofthecode> what is the stability of testing
at currently ? vs say stretch
1659[15:53:13] <greycat> !debian-next
1660[15:53:13] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1664[15:53:53] <greycat> Its "stability" as we define
the word is zero. It is not stable. But you probably meant
"buglessness" or "crash-bug-lessness" or
something, which #debian-next might be able to answer.
1665[15:55:12] <ngomes> Brigo, i'checked it long time ago ,
what about it ?
1666[15:55:20] <section1> abrotman, ok aptitude giveme some
options...lets try it :d
1667[15:55:34] <Brigo> ngomes, i was wondering if it could suit
your needs.
1668[15:55:36] <ngomes> Brigo, does it have the hability to run
Windows Steam ?
1722[16:31:04] * greycat reads cron(8) and learns that Debian's
cron apparently tries to compensate for Daylight Saving by running
missed jobs afterward, or skipping jobs that would be repeated.
Still, I will not ever put a job into that time slot, because I
don't trust it.
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install the Geo::IP module) restart again!)
1775[17:14:26] <aesin> current kernel 4.9.110-1 in stable has a
bug fixed in 4.9.110-2. How can i install 4.9.110-2 ? i added
proposal updates to sources.list but after apt-get update there is
no 4.9.110-2
1783[17:16:15] <greycat> final comment says there's a
4.9.110-3 in stretch-proposed-updates
1784[17:17:21] <greycat> !stable-proposed-updates
1785[17:17:21] <dpkg> stable-proposed-updates is a repository
containing packages being prepared for the next <point
release>. While they have already been, your additional testing
is most welcome prior to wider release.
replaced-url
1788[17:19:25] <greycat> dpkg, stretch-proposed-updates is
<reply> see stable-proposed-updates
1789[17:19:27] <dpkg> okay, greycat
1790[17:20:40] <aesin> after i enabled proposed updates in
sources.list apt-cache search linux-image displays several kernels
last of which linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64. but apt-cache show
linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64 prints its version 110-1.
1791[17:20:50] <aesin> how to i get 110-3?
1792[17:20:51] <greycat> did you forget to apt-get update?
1802[17:30:10] <greycat> it will typically give several results
that are all formatted alike, with just a blank line between them,
and not in any meaningful order
1837[17:58:06] <greycat> The /usr/bin/env one is used when you
plan to distribute the script to many different systems that may
have bash in different locations, and you don't know in advance
where it will be, and there isn't an installation procedure to
target the shebang at install time.
1838[17:58:37] <greycat> It relies on the PATH variable at the
time of execution to include a directory with at least one valid
version of the interpreter.
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1896[18:53:53] <setuid> In Ubuntu, we have an ubuntu-minimal
package, which when installed, will take the system down into
bare-bones, minimalist packages. Is there something like this for
debian? I need to strip a system of all non-essential packages, and
build it back up clean.
1908[19:00:06] <setuid> whereas in ubuntu, you can have a fully
installed and working system, desktop, apache, Xorg, etc. and then
install ubuntu-minimal, and it will strip it all back
1911[19:00:20] <ChmEarl> setuid, I used the XFCE disk, which is
complete and fits on a CD
1912[19:00:40] <setuid> ChmEarl: The problem is that I have this
system that seems to be a hybrid of wheezy, squeezze and stretch...
in production.
1913[19:00:49] <setuid> I need to rip it all out, build it back
up clean with current/stable packages
1914[19:00:55] <petn-randall> setuid: So a Frankendebian?
1915[19:00:55] <setuid> _without_ reinstalling
1916[19:01:08] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
1917[19:01:08] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
1918[19:01:14] <greycat> I can't imagine that stripping
everything that makes it a server will go well.
1919[19:01:15] <setuid> Yes, someone added the newer repos to
sources.list, and packages got installed
1920[19:01:35] <petn-randall> setuid: If it's a mix out of
three releases, I strongly recommend to reinstall and start from
scratch. It'll be 10x easier than fixing it.
1921[19:01:39] <setuid> greycat: As long as it boots, and has
basic packages/tools, I can reinstall the rest from the
'correct' repos
1922[19:02:41] <setuid> petn-randall: Yes, that's a last
resort. It has a lot of services running, and each of them is
uniquely configured. I had plans on breaking all of the services
into separate VMs, but that's not as easy as it sosunds
(sendmail, mailman, apache, git repos, and others)
1924[19:03:35] <jhutchins_wk> I've actually had to deal with
this. It's pretty simple to just clean up the old distros in
the source list and then do upgrades.
1925[19:03:37] <setuid> It's backed up, so we _could_ just
wipe it
1926[19:04:04] <setuid> jhutchins_wk: Problem is that when I just
point sources.list to stretch repos, it can't find basic
packages like apache2 and supporting dependencies
1927[19:04:14] <petn-randall> setuid: The thing is, there's
going from wheezy to stretch is not a supported path. So packages
*will* break in horrible ways.
1928[19:04:17] <setuid> I may just build a clean VM and move
data/services over
1929[19:04:31] <setuid> petn-randall: Yep, btdt over the last 18
or so yearss :)
1930[19:04:45] <setuid> I've got battle scars from debian
upgrades many, many, many times
1934[19:06:07] <setuid> Well, I suspect this happened because
someone added newer repos to get 1 package, forgot they were still
there, and an upgrade jumped a release, causing frankendebian
1935[19:06:31] <setuid> I'll start removing groups of
packages, and remove anything with 'wheezy' in the package
version
1939[19:07:58] <petn-randall> setuid: Personally, I'd start
using something like ansible to configure all those services, and
then when you got all those services set, start migrating them over.
This avoids the "unique snowflake" syndrom that you get
with longrunning servers.
1940[19:08:53] <setuid> Agreed, right now we have
'web', 'mysql', 'mail' and other VMs
set up, but this one monstrous snowball-of-snowflakes server is the
keystone, and we have to tread carefully.
1942[19:09:40] <setuid> See above, it's still running
'sendmail', because it runs greymilter + dspam, and runs
circles around a compatible postfix/exim config to strip out spam
before it hits the mailboxes. It's current, but it's
legacy.
1944[19:10:15] <setuid> So moving services is also a bit of
porting of ugly legacy; at some point, someone began editing the
sendmail.mc, instead of the m4 and re-generating the .mc, so
it's got more snowflakes in there too.
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1971[19:34:15] <xaeB5> i installed mate from debian and i'm
getting some notification that pops up about adding a printer to
google print or something related to google. anyone know what this
could be and if it's normal? i searched for any google package
and nothing seems to be installed. i don't have chrome either
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1995[19:50:32] <Brigo> peaceguy, yes
1996[19:51:03] <Brigo> peaceguy, there is no debian server
version, just one for all purpouses
1997[19:51:13] <greycat> Debian doesn't have different
"tiers" or whatever you implied by "debian server,
the one with ...". It's just Debian. You choose which
pieces you want to install.
2009[19:52:05] <jhutchins_wk> That's up to you when you run
the installer.
2010[19:52:07] <greycat> Whether you're installing from
netinst or from a "full" DVD image, the installer is the
same.
2011[19:52:27] <greycat> The only thing that changes is how much
comes from the physical media and how much comes from the network.
2012[19:52:27] <peaceguy> so i can set up separate /home
partition and encrypt it?
2013[19:52:30] <jhutchins_wk> peaceguy: Ubuntu is really the
same, they just pretend to have different versions where
they've pre-selected certain packages.
2014[19:52:56] <peaceguy> but it's not the same, using the
one without xorg and one that ships with some desktop environment
2015[19:53:13] <greycat> It's the same installer, unless
you're talking about a "Live" image, and those are
just not good.
2016[19:53:31] <jhutchins_wk> peaceguy: It's the same, you
just don't select "Desktop" when you install.
2017[19:53:32] <peaceguy> i guess that's not important but i
wonder how many space does it take, debian 9.5 lxde iso
2018[19:53:48] <peaceguy> ok
2019[19:53:49] <greycat> what is "debian 9.5 lxde"?
2020[19:54:05] <greycat> I still feel like you've somehow
come across the "Live" images.
2021[19:54:06] <jhutchins_wk> peaceguy: We usually recommend
using the net installer if you have a decent internet connection.
2024[19:54:18] <greycat> see where it says "-live"
twice in there?
2025[19:54:25] <greycat> don't use those for installation
2026[19:54:30] <peaceguy> why??
2027[19:55:02] <greycat> The installer on the Live images is
historically broken.
2028[19:55:18] <greycat> I can't say whether that *specific*
one is as broken as the ones from years past, but there is a very
poor track record.
2029[19:55:19] <peaceguy> what? why is it on the site then?
2030[19:55:30] <peaceguy> which one should i use then?
2031[19:55:34] <peaceguy> it's the official site
2032[19:55:34] <greycat> It's intended to be used as a
"Live distro", not for installing.
2033[19:55:36] <jhutchins_wk> peaceguy: Because the live part
works.
2034[19:55:40] <jhutchins_wk> !netinstall
2035[19:55:40] <dpkg> i heard netinst is a small CD image with
which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process
you have a working Internet connection, you can install more
packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and
more packages later. See
replaced-url
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2037[19:55:48] <Brigo> the netinstall as greycat told you already
2040[19:56:11] <jediofthecode> hello, i was in here earlier with
an issue, but it seems backporting network-manager myself
didn't fix it
2041[19:56:30] <jediofthecode> docker is creating veth
interfaces, and they're showing in the gnome menu, im wondering
if anyone has experience hiding these
2042[19:56:33] <peaceguy> what packages do i need to install to
netinstall in order to encrypt hard disk, or is it already
supported?
2043[19:56:44] <Brigo> netinstall is not a good name. It can be
used for rescue too, so i would call it rescueintall or something
like that.
2044[19:57:04] <peaceguy> can it encrypt?
2045[19:57:06] <greycat> because that name isn't confusing
at all... :-/
2046[19:57:16] <Brigo> XD
2047[19:57:26] <Brigo> i said somethink like that :D
2092[20:11:57] <squarecircle> is there a recommended
"default" way to go?
2093[20:13:05] <greycat> heh, the !kiosk factoid is amusingly
antiquated
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2095[20:13:43] <squarecircle> greycat: ?
2096[20:14:19] <greycat> !kiosk
2097[20:14:20] <dpkg> it has been said that kiosk is /bin/su -c
"/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk);
kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or
replaced-url
2099[20:15:21] <booyah> are this characters visible by default in
your IRC programs/terminals? (with exception of virtual terminal
text where it will fail) -> ▁▂▃▄▅▆▇█▓▒░ (that should look like 8
characters of rising stair-case and then 3 gradient blocks)
2100[20:15:39] <greycat> are you conducting a survey? please
don't.
2121[20:20:47] <squarecircle> greycat: ok, I'll look into it
2122[20:21:20] <greycat> squarecircle: I don't know what the
systemd equivalent is. I was hoping there would be an up to date
!kiosk factoid, but apparently not under that name.
2123[20:22:10] <greycat> If nobody else knows, you could try
googling for "debian kiosk" and maybe add
"stretch" or "systemd" or whatever to help weed
out the old stuff.
2128[20:25:16] <RoyK> greycat: I'm using raspbian in kiosk
mode for some infoscreens at work - not a big debian deal, really,
just chromium running in kiosk mode (and everything forced to IPv6
for simplicity reasons, and software installed with ansible)
2129[20:25:35] <RoyK> and raspbian is basically stretch and some
changes
2214[20:57:16] <cyberbootje> hi, anyone an idea how to restrict a
tap adapter to allow some outgoing Ip's on a host? And with
"restrict" i mean, no packet going out at all, not even
ARP if it is not the ip that is allowed to do so
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2216[20:58:02] <[BrightSide]> no_gravity: an issue is everything
about your expectation from the *software*, it's not always bug
2277[21:49:32] <TinkerTiger> In a few weeks I will start teaching
a CompTIA cert course. I have never heard of them but then again
I'm 'coming back to' IT.
2283[21:53:55] <TinkerTiger> Of course there is. I've been a
Debian user for several years now! Seriously though. Here's
what's annoying me. I do a lot of work on imagining SD cards
and on my Debian Server box the SD cards always come up as
'read-only' file systems and I can't wrtie to them.
Even though, I move them to another computer and write to them. I
want to figure out what is going on and the reading I have done so
far
2284[21:54:01] <TinkerTiger> isnt' helpful. Also, is CompTIA
credible? I mean, does anyone care?
2297[21:59:22] <TinkerTiger> Something1: However, I recently
learned about USB Hubs, like yesterday, and now I'm wondering
if the box is just a bit too beat up and I'm having USB Hub
issues.
2303[22:01:25] <Something1> (You´re sure you didn´t
switch that notch on the side?)
2304[22:01:57] <TinkerTiger> Something1: I have a 4TB drive
attached to a regular USB port and have not had issues yet. It was
purely speculation.
2305[22:02:42] <TinkerTiger> I've fiddled with the notch and
right now the same card that failed in the server is imaging on my
laptop.
2306[22:02:50] <jhutchins_wk> TinkerTiger: When you say the cards
are read-only, are you talking about how they're presented in a
GUI filemanger for an ordinary user?
2307[22:03:10] <jhutchins_wk> TinkerTiger: For some reason the
default in Linux is to mount devices as read-only except for root.
2335[22:16:15] <greycat> rsync just calls ssh, and ssh will
communicate with the ssh-agent if one is running and if rsync/ssh
inherits the correct env vars to point to it
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2339[22:17:27] <Aebian> ah yes, probably thats the issue: Could
not open a connection to your authentication agent
2340[22:17:51] <Aebian> thanks for the help
2341[22:18:22] <greycat> Typically you log in, and part of your
login process is to run an ssh-agent and to add your keys to it
(which prompts you for your keys' passphrase). Then anything
you run from within your login session inherits those vars to talk
to that agent and use those keys.
2355[22:25:20] <peaceguy> can i have something really minimal
like just xorg lxde/openbox and that?
2356[22:25:29] <peaceguy> i mean it's not bloated, that dvd?
2357[22:25:35] <peaceguy> i can make minimal system using that?
2358[22:26:06] <greycat> At the end of the install, you get a
dialog (or whiptail) box that lets you CHOOSE which software you
want to install, from several "tasks" which are big
collections of stuff, like desktop environments.
2362[22:27:09] <thavlik> Hi folks, I have an issue where every
once in a while my mouse wheel will jump in the opposite direction a
few increments. I have tried a different mouse, and
unplugging/plugging it back in does not serve to fix the mouse by
"resetting" it
2393[22:40:32] <bodqhrohro> What exact upstream kernel version do
Debian linux-image-* packages correspond to: the one specified in
the package name or the package version?
2409[22:49:50] <dashs> Current stable: running mplayer (or vlc)
audio stream command works fine. If put in the background (with
&} it suspends the job. Wassup with that?
2410[22:51:15] <Brigo> dashs, weird, have you tried fg command?
2413[22:53:00] <Brigo> dashs, it works for me (with vlc, i
don't have mplayer installed)
2414[22:53:10] <greycat> It suspends in the background most
likely because it's trying to read input from the temrinal.
2415[22:53:14] <Brigo> dashs, yes, as a test
2416[22:53:44] <greycat> If you want to run a program that can
possibly read terminal I/O in the background, either tell it not to
read any I/O using some command-specific option, or redirect stdin
</dev/null
2442[23:06:42] <Kurogane> I've a problem with an alias, i
setup an alias and working fine in the console but the problem is
when i try to call via bash script not working... How i can the
alias recognize me the command in the bash file?
2443[23:07:11] <greycat> aliases do not fire in bash scripts,
unless you go out of your way to make them do so, because otherwise
your aliases would wreck every script you run
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2480[23:30:25] <AeCEgGfTv5> running debian stable here, just want
to make sure that the correct way to update is the follwing: run
apt-get update and then apt-get full-upgrade
2501[23:35:25] <annadane> mefistofeles, if you have that problem
currently, post it to paste.debian.net and perhaps #debian can
resolve it
2502[23:35:26] <annadane> !bat
2503[23:35:26] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2516[23:39:04] <AeCEgGfTv5> i built a debian router with the
following 3 network interfaces: eth0 (WAN), eth1 (LAN), tun0 (VPN).
I want all traffic to go through the tun0 VPN. I setup some basic
firewall iptable rules and everything is working perfectly
2517[23:39:17] <AeCEgGfTv5> however, I want to make sure the
rules I have are secure and restrictive
2518[23:39:23] <AeCEgGfTv5> these are the rules:
replaced-url
2519[23:39:49] <AeCEgGfTv5> it's connected directly to the
internet