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7[00:07:25] <teraflops> wegg: idk what bazaar is. Idk if there
is already a URL hander. You might create your own one though.
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8[00:08:29] <ryouma> bazaar might be a dvcs
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11[00:08:47] <dax> openbazaar is a bitcoin marketplace thing
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12[00:08:55] <dax> unrelated to the dvcs
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14[00:09:03] <ryouma> aha
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17[00:09:34] <teraflops> Well you can create custom uri
handlers
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32[00:20:52] <wegg> xdg-mime worked. When I click on an ob://
link in chrome it opens openbazaar.
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33[00:21:07] <wegg> but openbazaar doesn't take me to the
link I clicked on. . .
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34[00:21:21] <wegg> it opens it but doesn't take it that
step further.
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42[00:27:36] <teraflops> wegg: create a desktop file and set
the command to chromium %s or whatever it uses, look at an existing
.desktop file
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43[00:29:01] <koris> hm. I don't know much about systemd
or sysvinit myself - can someone tell me why systemd was put in
Jessie? I'm not complaining but I want to know why so many
people are removing it from their systems
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44[00:29:31] <cra1g321> koris, best to talk about it in
#debian-offtopic
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46[00:30:17] <koris> I see, thank you
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47[00:30:25] <jmcnaught> koris: there's a lot of FUD about
systemd which can be difficult to separate from legit complaints,
but the decision was made by the Debian technical committee (CTTE)
in 2014 during the development of Jessie. If you do some digging
you'll find the discussions
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48[00:30:35] <teraflops> wegg: not sure, I guess it's
Exec=chromium %u
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55[00:35:57] <aguitel> anyway to install firefox in jessie ?
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57[00:36:13] <markybob> aguitel: mozilla.debian.net
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58[00:36:21] <teraflops> you'll miss good old iceweasel :P
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59[00:36:24] <aguitel> a ok
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60[00:37:20] <TomTomTosch> teraflops:
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61[00:37:27] <teraflops> oh
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62[00:38:14] <teraflops> TomTomTosch: hey it's for ff 45,
46 is the current one in debian jessie :P
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64[00:38:56] <teraflops> well in mozilla.debian.net for jessie
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65[00:39:36] <TomTomTosch> oh no. damn software isn't
supposed to change. what is this, arch?!
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66[00:39:42] <teraflops> heh
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69[00:40:26] <markybob> i really don't know how people
deal with rolling distros. i'd fucking shoot someone
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72[00:40:53] <teraflops> markybob: I do arch in my workstation,
and it's ok for m
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73[00:40:55] <teraflops> me*
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74[00:41:09] <teraflops> note the _for me_
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77[00:41:48] <teraflops> I suppose is the same as running sid
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90[00:46:08] <Martyn> Anyone here have experience with virtual
machines and using bridging to DHCP boot? ( br0 )(
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92[00:46:46] <teraflops> Martyn: what's the real question?
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94[00:47:04] <Martyn> I'm having issues getting DCHP
booting using libvirt+KVM+br0 on debian 6
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96[00:47:21] <Martyn>
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98[00:47:29] <Martyn> domain configuration :
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100[00:47:40] <Martyn> What could prevent a virtual machine from
seeing the network properly on br0 such that it can't DHCP/PXE?
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101[00:47:55] <teraflops> Martyn: are you doing pxe?
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104[00:48:34] <Martyn> yep
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105[00:48:47] <Martyn> pxe, and I'm simulating a rtl8139
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106[00:48:47] <teraflops> ah
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107[00:48:50] <aguitel> how choose with synaptic fastest mirror
? no option in
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108[00:48:52] <Martyn> I've also simulated an e1000
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117[00:52:05] <Martyn> I have ip_forward enabled
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118[00:52:10] <Martyn> here's the ifconfig
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119[00:52:27] <Martyn> @sf111:~# brctl show
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120[00:52:27] <Martyn> bridge name bridge id STP enabled
interfaces
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121[00:52:29] <Martyn> br0 8000.0cc47a696f70 no bond0
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122[00:52:29] <Martyn> vnet0
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127[00:52:40] <Martyn> Ack
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131[00:53:53] <Kirito> !make-kpkg
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132[00:53:53] <dpkg> make-kpkg is no longer the recommended
method for building kernel packages. See <kernel handbook> for
current instructions. It can be used to make a debian package for a
custom kernel. See man make-kpkg, <kp mantra>. NOTE it does
not automatically create header packages, needed for
module-assistant and dkms.
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133[00:54:09] <Kirito> :|
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135[00:54:22] <markybob> make-kpkg sucks
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138[00:54:35] <Kirito> I was hoping for an actual link in place
of <kernel handbook>
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140[00:54:47] <Kirito> !<kernel handbook>
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141[00:54:53] <markybob> Kirito:
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142[00:54:56] <Kirito> thank you
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144[00:55:07] <markybob> Kirito: you probably want 4.5 and 4.6
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146[00:55:27] <Kirito> Yep yep
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147[00:55:33] <jmcnaught> Martyn: does the VM get connected to
the network if it boots from an ISO or disk image?
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148[00:55:41] <Martyn> nope
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149[00:55:44] <jmcnaught> Kirito: FYI you can message the bot
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150[00:55:53] <Kirito> Oh, hah, right >_>
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151[00:55:56] <Martyn> no connectivity .. which is odd, because
br0 -is- working. The host itself has connectivity
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152[00:56:15] <Martyn> so the domain host has networking through
br0, but the virtual guest does not
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153[00:56:51] <jmcnaught> Martyn: have you tried with something
newer than squeeze?
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154[00:56:52] <markybob> Kirito: now i need to ask why
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155[00:57:10] <Martyn> jmcnaught : Not an option(tm) .. this is
on a production machine.
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156[00:57:24] <Martyn> squeeze-lts is what I have to work with,
until The Upgrade(tm) happens to jessie
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158[00:57:32] <Martyn> but this -is- working on other machines
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159[00:57:40] <TomTomTosch> that's two things you
don't want to have together >.>
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160[00:57:40] <Martyn> so I must be missing something basic,
somehow
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161[00:57:48] <TomTomTosch> there is no squeeze-lts anymore.
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163[00:57:50] <jmcnaught> Martyn: squeeze-lts finished in
february, no more security for squeeze
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164[00:57:53] <Martyn> Yes, I'm aware
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166[00:57:57] <Martyn> Move on, keep on topic
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168[00:58:18] <Martyn> This =does= work on another machine, on
the same cluster
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170[00:58:53] <markybob> Kirito: you know jessie-backports has
kernel 4.5, right?
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171[00:58:54] <Kirito> markybob, Just general improvements.
blk-mq became feature complete in just 3.16, but I believe it's
had some notable improvements since.
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172[00:59:09] <Kirito> oh, does it?
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173[00:59:15] <markybob> Kirito: yes sir
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174[00:59:23] <Kirito> I thought that would be too new for
backports, awesome then, thanks
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175[00:59:37] <jmcnaught> Martyn: honestly you should consider
upgrading production machines to at least wheezy before putting more
services or VMs on them. Have you compared the interfaces files for
the working system with the borked one?
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176[00:59:46] <Martyn> on the machine that works .. there are no
special POSTROUTING/PREROUTING rules, or other special IPTABLES
rules
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238[01:26:32] <KomputerKid> Hello. I am trying to setup sendmail
for use with wordpress on my VPS running Debian Jessie, it does
work, but it is painfully and I mean, painfully slow. It takes about
20 minutes for the mail to be received in my inbox.
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239[01:26:42] <KomputerKid> at least, the test mail got send
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240[01:26:50] <KomputerKid> as for wordpress, it took awhile.
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242[01:27:39] <KomputerKid> actually for wordpress it still
hasn't been sent
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243[01:27:41] <KomputerKid> :|
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245[01:28:55] <bazhang> try #wordpress KomputerKid
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248[01:29:56] <jmcnaught> KomputerKid: did you install sendmail,
or you're trying to use the sendmail command provided by
another package? Does this system receive mail, or only send?
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251[01:30:17] <KomputerKid> I installed sendmail with apt
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252[01:30:22] <KomputerKid> and it is only for sending mail
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253[01:30:49] <jmcnaught> KomputerKid: Debian provides MTAs that
are a lot easier to configure than sendmail. Does your ISP or domain
name provider give you an SMTP server for sending mail?
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255[01:31:22] <KomputerKid> I don't know if namecheap
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256[01:31:27] <KomputerKid> also my VPS is on digital ocean
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258[01:32:13] <KomputerKid> oh wait
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259[01:32:15] <KomputerKid> lol there
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260[01:32:18] <KomputerKid> that's a little better
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261[01:32:22] <KomputerKid> >2 minutes
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262[01:32:25] <KomputerKid> vs 20 minutes
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263[01:32:35] <KomputerKid> okay lets see if I can get a
password reset
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268[01:34:11] <jmcnaught> KomputerKid: if you have an SMTP
server you can relay mail through, the simplest would be to use
msmtp-mta (or another null client), or to configure exim4 to use a
smarthost (can be done through the debconf questions asked by
dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config) or postfix (can also be configured
with dpkg-reconfigure)
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279[01:39:51] <KomputerKid> yeah its working fine now
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280[01:39:54] <KomputerKid> that was... weird
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281[01:39:54] <KomputerKid> :P
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282[01:39:57] <teraflops> oh yes that phpmail thing is awful, I
just do sane relay to a mail server with multi-domain support
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286[01:42:23] <jmcnaught> KomputerKid: to be honest installing
sendmail was a strange choice. it's very complex
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291[01:43:30] <KomputerKid> yeah I'll look into other
alternatives later, it works fine for now so that's all that
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293[01:43:52] <jmcnaught> KomputerKid: just be sure you
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298[01:46:10] <zz> same
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334[02:06:00] <donofrio> so if sound does work when I type
"aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav" how do I
get it to go though pianobar ?
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335[02:07:53] <donofrio> casue pianobar just says "/|\
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385[02:42:26] <internat> Hi Debian team, i have a questino about
SMART. it keeps sending me an email saying that "Device:
/dev/sda [SAT], 65535 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors"
which i get means there is something wrong with the drive. What im
wondering is, is there a way of acknowleding the alet, so it only
sends me anything new, and not the same message every day?
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386[02:42:59] <un214> is it a SSD disk?
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389[02:43:15] <internat> nah
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392[02:43:57] <un214> anyway the recommendation is to replace
drives as soon as you get that because it can't swap out bad
sectors anymore
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393[02:44:17] <un214> a rotating disk would be usable for awhile
yet assuming the generating cause is gone
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394[02:44:34] <internat> its in a raid1. and the other disk is
fine.
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395[02:44:46] <un214> swap it
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396[02:44:52] <un214> it's killing your raid performacne
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397[02:44:56] <internat> i can replace it if it needs replacing,
its just that everything seems to be working so im hesitant to
replace a disk if its still actually doing what i need to do
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398[02:45:17] <un214> all its remapped sectors makes raid run
really bad
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401[02:45:32] <Javabean> its the moment it stops doing what you
need it to do that is a BIG problem
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402[02:45:44] <un214> raid 1
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404[02:48:16] <internat> guess ill find one of the spare 2tb
drives in the cupboard and replace it.
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406[02:48:41] <internat> its only the os disk, .. hehe, only.
Its not my main data is i guess my point
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411[02:54:02] <deepy> internat: so with disks you sort of have
this tendency of things going: something goes wrong, alerts start,
and then suddenly the disk dies
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412[02:54:51] <deepy> internat: the moment you get alerts is
generally the point where you make sure you got a full backup of the
entire thing becuase it might've already failed and if not it
might do so very shortly, or it might continue working for years
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413[02:57:07] <deepy> and say you got two disks in a RAID 1, if
one of the disks is giving you errors you want it replaced ASAP,
becuase if the second disk suddenly dies you're then relying on
a failing disk to keep you safe
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415[02:57:43] <internat> yeah i get that. it is only the os
disk, whcih is litterally just debian with a few basic config. the
datadisks i replace or have a spare handy as soon as the raid6 even
hiccups.
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416[02:57:49] <internat> ill stop being lazy :)
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418[02:58:19] <misnix> it might be the controller :(
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419[02:58:33] <ohithere> Unlikely.
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420[02:58:35] <deepy> on the bright side, if it IS the
controller you get another disk
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422[02:58:56] <misnix> unlikely but possible
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423[02:59:00] <internat> nah, im sure its the disk. they are old
disks.. just one of those things, where if its working, do i invest
time in fixing it :)
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424[02:59:26] <deepy> internat: decomission the disk to a
Google-styled JBOD setup
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426[02:59:36] <internat> god no
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427[02:59:54] <deepy> is that a 'god no, the power costs
too much'?
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431[03:00:33] <internat> its a "i want my data
locally", and raid6 is what i want :)
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432[03:00:45] <internat> all the super important stuff is
"in the cloud" as well
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435[03:01:06] <internat> or did i misunderstand what you mean by
google-style JBOD?
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438[03:01:19] <ohithere> How many drives are in that raid 6?
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440[03:01:37] <internat> 6
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441[03:02:09] <deepy> They toss a bunch of drives and replicate
the data to a lot of them, so if one drive fails they just move it
to another drive
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442[03:02:26] <internat> zfs? kinda style?
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443[03:02:36] <internat> is it zfs that you can just chuck disks
at? i always forget
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444[03:03:02] <deepy> iirc zfs doesn't quite do JBOD
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445[03:03:07] <deepy> but it does software raid
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449[03:03:57] <internat> one of the fs's i thought let you
just chuck disks of any size at it, and say i want atleast x copies
of the data.
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450[03:04:10] <deepy> well I'm drunk and should go to
sleep, this is as far as I dare trust the advice I'm about to
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458[03:05:03] <deepy> but zfs has some interesting setups
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462[03:06:01] <foul_owl> Hi folks. Where's the python
binary in the python3.4 package?
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464[03:06:30] <foul_owl> I'm just looking for the python
interpreter for 3.4. I have the python 3.4 package installed already
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465[03:06:31] <markybob> foul_owl: apt-get install python3 in
jessue
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466[03:06:37] <foul_owl> Yep, already done
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467[03:06:40] <markybob> that is 3.4...
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468[03:06:46] <arahael> foul_owl: thats... a weird question.
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470[03:07:08] <foul_owl> dpkg -L tar | xargs file | grep -i elf
... no result
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471[03:07:08] <dpkg> ii tar | xargs file | grep -i elf ... no
result 2.3-12 foul_owl's private stamp collection
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473[03:07:18] <markybob> ,v python3
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474[03:07:22] <foul_owl> s/tar/python3.4
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475[03:07:23] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze:
3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch:
3.5.1-3; sid: 3.5.1-3
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476[03:07:34] <markybob> foul_owl: python3 == python 3.4
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477[03:07:38] <markybob> in jessie
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479[03:07:49] <RippyDippy> Hey guys, does anyone know an
channels where I get some help with specific neural network
questions
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483[03:08:32] <arahael> foul_owl: the '3' is because
it's a syntatically incompatible language. it's not just a
newer version.
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484[03:08:36] <foul_owl> dpkg -L python3 | xargs file | grep ELF
.. no result
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485[03:08:36] <dpkg> ii python3 | xargs file | grep ELF .. no
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486[03:09:12] <CoJaBo> Anyone here good with, I think awk? I
need to convert every occurrence of a square-bracketed number to a
curly-bracked number that is one higher.
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487[03:09:28] <TomTomTosch> foul_owl: the binary should be
/usr/bin/python3.4 with /usr/bin/python3 being a softlink pointing
at it.
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489[03:09:31] <markybob> CoJaBo: eh you might wanna try #bash
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490[03:09:54] <foul_owl> TomTomTosch: Thank you :)
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491[03:10:20] <foul_owl> Exactly the answer I was looking for
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494[03:10:46] <CoJaBo> :/
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496[03:11:08] <markybob> CoJaBo: there are 1123 people in there
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497[03:11:26] <CoJaBo> who sent me to #awk which theres only a
handful in
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501[03:12:28] <arahael> CoJaBo: you did ask an awk question.
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505[03:14:10] <arahael> CoJaBo: personally, i'd take the
opportunity to learn a programmjng language. ruby or python are boh
good choices.
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506[03:14:18] <arahael> *both
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508[03:15:56] <CoJaBo> Figured out how to do it in perl, but the
perl interpreter is crashing
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516[03:18:01] <jordanm> CoJaBo: what do you mean by crashing?
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517[03:18:06] <jordanm> CoJaBo: segfaulting?
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it's a good idea to enable the strict mode.
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528[03:23:42] <CoJaBo> -bash: /usr/bin/perl: Input/output error
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530[03:23:47] <CoJaBo> EXT3-fs error (device hda1):
ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block - inode=77513,
block=295382
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531[03:23:50] <CoJaBo> >_______________>
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532[03:24:01] <CoJaBo> Restoring from backups now :/
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534[03:24:46] <jordanm> CoJaBo: sounds like a failing drive
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536[03:25:19] <jordanm> or perhaps just a fs in need of a fsck
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538[03:25:38] <CoJaBo> Bad sectors; the restore will (hopefully)
remap and buy me some time at least
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540[03:27:28] <arahael> CoJaBo: failing drives tend to fail very
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545[03:28:47] <CoJaBo> I can't replace it tho, not my box
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546[03:29:23] <arahael> CoJaBo: then give up in it. sag
it's failing.
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552[03:30:48] <CoJaBo> I just need to run the scrpt, then that
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555[03:33:50] <CoJaBo> got it running, now to put in a ticket
about the disk, that will undoubtedly be closed as
"COULDNOTREPRODUCE"
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556[03:33:55] <CoJaBo> <_<
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612[04:16:58] <lwizardl> with Debian Jessie it seems my onboard
audio hardware is not being detected but instead the system is
trying to use the ATI video card as audio source. Is there a guide
for correcting that?
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616[04:19:35] <lwizardl> in ALSA Mixer the sound card options
are "HDA ATI SB (Alsa Mixer)" and "HDA ATI HDMI (Alsa
Mixer)"
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642[04:36:05] <simonlnu> select the correct default, google it,
as exact procedure isn't known to me. it just works for me,
even though i have similar setup.
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switch it, too.
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684[04:55:55] <asterismo> i deleted the file
/etc/modsecurity/modsecurity.conf-recommended
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685[04:56:05] <asterismo> and reinstalling the package wont
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686[04:56:18] <asterismo> how do i reinstall stock version of
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687[04:56:28] <jmcnaught> !confmiss
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688[04:56:29] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging
system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is
assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o
DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall
$packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the
package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about
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713[05:05:30] <themill> asterismo: what did you try and how do
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libapache2-mod-security2" says that this file is a conffile in
the libapache2-mod-security2 package, perhaps you reinstalled the
libapache2-modsecurity dummy transitional package?
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772[05:34:23] <SmileMZ> Hi people.
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774[05:34:56] <SmileMZ> I don't know if anybody is here...
but I wanted to ask, where do I make the report about issues in
debian testing ?
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777[05:35:24] <SmileMZ> I'd love to tell that there is a
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785[05:40:14] <SmileMZ> ok, everybody's busy.
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786[05:40:15] <SmileMZ> bye
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791[05:41:56] <wasutton3> so I'm on the hunt for a patch
file that was made to a package sometime in 2010. where would I go
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792[05:42:13] <wasutton3> its econvert-typo.diff applied to the
package exact-image
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809[05:50:57] <jmcnaught> wasutton3: you could try looking on
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835[06:03:22] <bigterd> find /mnt/test/ -name "*.zip"
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837[06:03:33] <bigterd> find prints out everything, but the exec
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860[06:13:20] <Rusty1_> bigterd: try /join #bash and ask there ,
whilst you wait here
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924[06:51:18] <SagelessFox> debian server is down
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937[06:55:12] <dax> i usually just grab the ISO off the
top-right of the front page and dist-upgrade it if i want testing
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938[06:55:21] <Javabean> where are you in the world,
sagelessfox?
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941[06:55:33] <SagelessFox> Hongkong China
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943[06:55:52] <dax> doesn't work for me in USA either, fwiw
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944[06:56:20] <Javabean> nah, was redirecting to a local server
to try
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945[06:56:31] <dax> oic
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946[06:56:46] <SagelessFox> it just send back EOF
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947[06:56:52] <SagelessFox> sent*
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949[06:57:01] <SagelessFox> what does EOF mean
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951[06:57:22] <Javabean> no one has a testing ( ie weekly build)
but i can direct you to download the current release
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954[06:57:41] <Javabean> EOF = End Of File ... its an error
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956[06:57:54] <SagelessFox> hmm..
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958[06:58:15] <SagelessFox> K, I will try the current release
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959[06:58:49] <Javabean> ftp://debian.ustc.edu.cn/debian-cd/ or
replaced-url
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960[06:59:19] <Javabean> sorry but i don't know where
things are located in china...
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961[06:59:36] <raspberrypifan> china is in asia
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962[07:00:11] <Javabean> but where things in china are located
relative to each other... idk
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965[07:01:55] <SagelessFox> thx
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967[07:02:14] <raspberrypifan> the north is in the north...
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968[07:02:16] <Javabean> you're welcome
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971[07:06:00] <peterrooney> This is driving me batty - something
is making my keyboard's left control key intermittent in X -
multiple keyboards, and not in console. Could gpm be the culprit?
showkey doesn't work in X.
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976[07:07:51] <virgosun> hi, any one sucess with this openvpn, I
can not make it work in debian. It works in windows. This
replaced-url
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981[07:14:07] <lesta> maybe in #openvpn
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1036[08:07:02] <locrian9> Is this the best site to grab an
archived Debian (Etch 4.0 r9)? curl -C - -L
replaced-url
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1039[08:07:41] <locrian9> The download is not running for some
reason.
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1043[08:09:53] <ecom> I'm missing UI elements such as
highlighting in the context menu, the scrollbar, buttons, etc?
I'm using the theme Arc, and I downloaded all the prereqs
listed on the git page. What could be missing?
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1046[08:12:34] <themill> locrian9: cdimage seems to have gone
fishing; there are other cd mirrors that might have old releases
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1047[08:13:49] <jml2> perhaps he's looking for a 486/586
kernel image
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1048[08:14:22] <jml2> doesn't make sense to use something 2+
years old considering so much security vulnerabilityies around bash
and tls
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1049[08:15:05] <themill> (6 years, actually)
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1050[08:15:43] <arahael> jml2: except... bash hasn't been
the system shell for a while, has it?
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1051[08:15:50] <arahael> not in debian.
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1052[08:16:21] * jml2 says there's a -586 for non-smp processors
in jessie
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1059[08:21:11] <locrian9> It's a manufacturer that needs
this Debian 4.0_r9 for their specific smtp control and database
queries. Do you know of a mirror to download the iso? It's for
an i386 (32-bit).
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1061[08:21:47] <jml2> locrian9, ?
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1063[08:22:11] <themill> how hideous
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1064[08:22:44] <themill> locrian9: most cd mirrors don't
carry the archive
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1065[08:23:20] <jml2> locrian9, i'm sure with a little bit
of homework, it likely is a generic solution, using things like the
'sendmaiil' command -- which exim, postfix and other smtp
packages can emulate
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1075[08:40:47] <cplemaster> hello everyone
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1076[08:40:51] <cplemaster> I am having an issue with an Intel
I217-LM chipset on Debian Jessie, it refuses to pull an ipv4. It
only takes ipv6. Does anyone else have this chipset? This is a
server environment.
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1079[08:42:01] <jml2> cplemaster, did you do the first thing i
told you?
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1080[08:42:03] <rozie> cplemaster: what do you mean
"pull"
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1081[08:42:25] <rozie> in general, IP layer is very far from
chipset, so I didn't blame hardware
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1082[08:42:40] <cplemaster> rozie, pull, assign, get from DHCP
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1085[08:44:38] <cplemaster> I will explain the issue in its
entirety now that I am in a different channel.
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1089[08:45:09] <rozie> cplemaster: can you run tcpdump and check
if your computer sends DISCOVER and if DHCP server replies with
OFFER?
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1094[08:47:41] <cplemaster> The issue began because I am running
a Debian Jessie server on a Supermicro X10SLM-F motherboard with
dual Intel NICs. 1 NIC is an Intel I210, and the other is an Intel
I217-LM. I was setting up a pfSense virtual machine, and I used PCI
passthrough to pass both NICs to pfSense. There I discovered that
the I217-LM NIC would not assign an IPv4 address from DHCP on my
router, but the I210 would. So I took the I217 off back to my Debian
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1095[08:47:41] <cplemaster> host. It would not get an address
there either, only IPv6. So I then passed it through to a Windows 7
VM, because it is a different system, so why not. It received an
IPv6 there, but it also listed an IPv4 address. So I am trying to
find out why this is not the case on Debian.
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1096[08:47:50] <cplemaster> rozie, I will do that now and report
back
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1102[08:51:42] <cplemaster> rozie, forgive me if I am uneducated
with tcpdump, I am supposed to run tcpdump -i eth1 (my interface for
the I217) to monitor for the requests, correct?
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1104[08:52:56] <cplemaster> rozie, if so, I do not see DISCOVER
or OFFER showing up
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1113[08:57:28] <cplemaster> I will try passing through to an
Ubuntu VM I have just for giggles to see if anything different
occurs.
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1119[09:01:43] <jml2> tcpdump won't work on the host with
passthrough
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1120[09:01:56] <jml2> that's to be done on your Ubuntu
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1121[09:02:09] <cplemaster> jml2, I completely understand that, I
am just seeing if it will receive an IPv4 from Ubuntu.
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1123[09:05:04] <cplemaster> Nope, still only receives an IPv6,
after quite long wait just the same as it did with Debian and
pfSense. Very odd that it seems to work without issues in a Windows
environment but not BSD or GNU/Linux.
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1130[09:05:47] <jml2> again as i said on #linux, maybe you should
find out why it does not work on "debian" :)
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1131[09:05:51] <jml2> lol
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1132[09:06:24] <cplemaster> jml2, clearly at this point you
should understand that I am trying to figure out that problem. Are
we not in the Debian channel?
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1133[09:06:46] <jml2> cplemaster, yeah so? why are you making
this more complicating that it needs to?
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1134[09:07:20] <cplemaster> jml2, Please explain to me how I am
making things more complicated than it needs to be. Basic
troubleshooting includes trying the same troublesome piece of
equipment in a different scenario.
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1137[09:08:11] <cplemaster> jml2, I really don't understand
why testing in a different environment, such as Windows, and finding
that it DOES work in that situation, does not help.
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1140[09:10:37] <arahael> I have to admit: cplemaster's
approach makes a lot of sense.
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1141[09:11:11] <arahael> It has one significant flaw: It
doesn't mean that the 'working' behaviour is actually
correct.
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1143[09:11:56] <cplemaster> I just don't get how that seems
odd to someone on an IRC that I would do such a thing? If I had a PC
that would not power on, and everything seemed OK configuration wise
(PSU switch is on, cables are attached correctly), would I not test
a different outlet first?
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1145[09:12:23] <cplemaster> I mean that is all I am doing here,
is testing to see what happens somewhere else so I can observe
different behavior.
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1146[09:12:52] <jml2> i never brought that up. I don't think
"virtualization" is a necessity at all, and then you
ramble on "Ubuntu" "Windows"
"pfsense". Absolutely useless..
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1148[09:13:21] <arahael> jml2: It's clear to me that
cplemaster's reference to "Ubuntu",
"Windows", and so on, are merely to contrast the behaviour
with other existing implementations.
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1149[09:13:30] <jml2> unnecessary
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1150[09:13:39] <jml2> just get it to work in #debian and
that's it
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1151[09:13:52] <jml2> makes it more complicating that it needs to
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1152[09:13:55] <cplemaster> jml2, Okay jml2, so where would you
start then? Please enlighten me.
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1153[09:14:24] <jml2> cplemaster, maybe you should read above.. I
asked you twice already
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1155[09:14:36] <arahael> jml2: Maybe he's used a few
additional words than was strictly neccessary. However, he's
very clearly stating: 1) What's happening. 2) What he's
expecting.
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1156[09:14:42] <jml2> "<jml2> cplemaster, did you do
the first thing i told you?"
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1157[09:14:49] <jml2> (#linux)
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1159[09:15:13] <cplemaster> jml2, This is a new channel, and I
closed linux because you made yourself clear that you were not open
to helping me because I was in the Linux channel.
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1160[09:15:22] <jml2> "<jml2> cplemaster, a common
problem for many many debian first-time users is they don't
have their proprietary firmware install from non-free -- simply
doing -> "dmesg|grep -i fail" can mention if
there's anything missing"
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1161[09:15:40] <cplemaster> jml2, and if you would've read,
I very clearly gave you an output.
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1163[09:15:45] <jml2> cplemaster, because you kept jumping all
over the place with passthrough with Windowes
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1164[09:16:45] <jml2> cplemaster, what debian version are you
trying?
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1165[09:17:13] <cplemaster> jml2, again, if you would've
read, since you are reaming me for "not reading", then you
would've seen I said Debian Jessie.
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1166[09:17:43] <jml2> cplemaster, that doesnt tell me if
that's amd64/i386
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1167[09:18:03] <jml2> cplemaster, since you're so
stubborn... i suppose you know it all
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1169[09:18:05] <jml2> lol
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1170[09:18:08] <jml2> bye bye :)
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1171[09:18:10] <arahael> Guys... Please just take a break for 2
minutes. Grab a coffee, or something. jml2 is annoyed that
cplemaster is being verbose. (A valid point). cplemaster is annoyed
that jml2 is disregarding all the (helpful?) ancedotes.
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1174[09:19:19] <cplemaster> jml2, I'm sorry but I'm
adding you to my ignore list. This is clearly getting nowhere with
semantics and our clearly different definitions of troubleshooting
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1176[09:19:33] <cplemaster> I don't want to blow up the IRC
chat because of it.
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1177[09:19:35] * jml2 been using debian for 16 years
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1180[09:20:10] <arahael> cplemaster, jml2: Please just take a
short break NOW before you regret something. You two are clearly
competent, but also, clearly have very different communication
styles.
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1181[09:20:10] <jml2> i've been using linux longer than
he's been alive
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1182[09:20:30] <jml2> ok, he's ignoring me, that's
good. I didn't even get to have his debian fixed.
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1183[09:20:40] <arahael> jml2: Just drop it, plese.
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1184[09:20:55] <cplemaster> I apologize for the entire page taken
up by this argument. I cannot see what is happening, obviously. But
I apologize in advance.
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1185[09:21:01] <jml2> arahael, "drop it" -- Has been
dropped as though nothing ever started back 5 minutes ago.
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1186[09:21:12] <arahael> jml2: Not actually relevant.
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1187[09:21:22] <jml2> arahael, you have to learn something here.
Virtualization does not fix the "host" part.
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1189[09:21:31] <jml2> arahael, that's a point for you.
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1195[09:23:28] <jmcnaught> cplemaster: perhaps you could show us
your /etc/network/interfaces file. does using dhclient manually
work?
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1196[09:24:18] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, okay I will pastebin it. I
have a bridge set up for VMs on the other NIC so you will see a br0
entry. Give me one moment
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1199[09:26:14] <jmcnaught> cplemaster: checking "journalctl
/sbin/dhclient" might also yield some clues (or whatever you
use as DHCP client)
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1200[09:26:37] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, it depends on what I would
define "work" as in this situation. It does work, but
takes about 30 seconds and ends up assigning an IPv6 only to the
NIC.
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1204[09:27:14] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, it repeats NO DHCP OFFERS
RECEIVED for this interface
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1206[09:27:35] <jmcnaught> cplemaster: is debian also a VM like
the others you tested for comparison, or is it the host?
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1208[09:28:21] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, No, the Debian OS is the
host. I won't mention the other systems to avoid confusion for
now
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1214[09:29:51] <jmcnaught> cplemaster: it's cool, just
trying to understand the difference between the ones that work and
the one that doesn't. i suppose we can also assume that MAC
address is the same when passed through, and there are no rules for
that MAC address on the DHCP server that could be an issue?
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1215[09:30:21] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, I said I would pastebin
but I am working in a TTY so copypasting to pastebin isn't that
easy (I am not using SSH). Here is a screenshot instead if
that's okay.
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1216[09:31:31] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, yes the MAC remains the
same. I am not restricting MACs on my network either. All MACs are
accepted.
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1220[09:33:11] <jmcnaught> cplemaster: the "it" that
repeats "NO DHCP OFFERS...", was that using dhclient
manually?
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1232[09:36:16] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, yes sorry I should've
specified. I ran dhclient manually for eth1, the I217-LM NIC.
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1239[09:40:04] <jmcnaught> cplemaster: i found this post that
seems like a similar issue:
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1240[09:40:58] <jmcnaught> cplemaster: seems like this person was
having trouble after using the card in windows then again in linux,
and it ended up being the WoL and power management settings
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1241[09:42:09] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, I wish I would've
paid attention when I first passed it through to Windows. The first
time I tried it I did it only because I wanted to confirm that it
would work (the VM is for a project I have planned) and it did, and
I just didn't think anything of it
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1243[09:43:11] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, so would you say I should
try putting it back on Windows, and turn off the WoL features, and
then try to put it back on Debian and see what happens? Just to
clarify what you would think
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1245[09:43:43] <jml2> jmcnaught, his interfaces file is wrong. --
problematic with systemd as well adds to the flavor.
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1249[09:44:31] <cplemaster> Again, really sorry for the chat spam
earlier. I'm still confused as to what triggered all that
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1252[09:44:55] <arahael> cplemaster: Could have been anything,
including a bad day in the office. I'd ignore it.
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1253[09:45:07] <jmcnaught> cplemaster: did you get it working?
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1256[09:45:40] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, no I haven't, but I
am going to try what I just mentioned, just as an in-case. Anything
is helpful at this point
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1259[09:47:41] <jmcnaught> also jml2 just said she/he spotted a
problem in your interfaces file, but the stanza "auto eth1 \
iface eth1 inet dhcp" looks fine to me. she/he also said
something about systemd, then left
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1261[09:48:52] <jmcnaught> cplemaster: i only spent a few minutes
reading that thread and it seemed like it could be related which is
why i shared it with you, there was a lot of detail there and
you're in a better position than me to check its relevance
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1272[09:55:55] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, and thanks for looking.
Turning off power management features did not help the issue, but
I'll keep reading
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1282[10:00:10] <Ozzyboshi> why does debian 8 miss compiz
packages?
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1287[10:06:18] <jmcnaught> Ozzyboshi: it was removed before
Wheezy was released
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1290[10:07:29] <Ozzyboshi> jmcnaught, i'd like to switch
from ubuntu to debian but compiz is missing, why is that?
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1294[10:09:35] <jmcnaught> Ozzyboshi: because of unfixed bugs and
no longer developed upstream it seems:
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1295[10:09:36] <judd> Bug
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1301[10:10:30] <jmcnaught> Ozzyboshi: Debian has lots of window
managers with compositing features, i'm sure if you decide to
switch you'll find something that suits your workflow
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1304[10:10:47] <Ozzyboshi> i love cinnamon
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1305[10:10:56] <Ozzyboshi> and i see it's supported by the
debian community
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1308[10:11:09] <Ozzyboshi> but compiz had one feature that is
missing
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1309[10:11:36] <Ozzyboshi> the ability to switch virtual desktop
with mouse extra button clicks
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1310[10:11:56] <Ozzyboshi> i have a 5 button mouse and i like to
customize button number 4 and 5
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1312[10:12:09] <Ozzyboshi> with compiz it was easy
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1314[10:12:22] <Ozzyboshi> i must figure out another way with
debian+cinnamon
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1318[10:14:35] <jmcnaught> Ozzyboshi: I don't use Cinnamon,
but there's probably some sort of shortcut configuration
dialogue. Compiz seems to be dead so it'll have to be something
else
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1336[10:24:04] <cplemaster> I am going to try shutting down and
unplugging my server. I've seen the same thing you showed me,
jmcnaught, on about 4 other forums. Same "Windows does weird
stuff with the card" solution
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1340[10:26:31] <cplemaster> jmcnaught, it works!!!!!
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1341[10:27:21] <cplemaster> I will definitely take note of this
any time this happens again!
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1354[10:34:21] <ziddey> when i set both iface br0 inet and iface
br0 inet6, when i down it, i get device br0 does not exist (because
it's already down when it tries to down the inet6 one). am i
doing it wrong or is that just the way it is?
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1366[10:40:29] <Emery> I'm currently using the
'default' open-source AMD drivers for my GFX card, a few
problems being... screen tearing.. and my R9 390 displays as a 290..
"[AMD/ATI] Hawaii PRO [Radeon R9 290]" when I run this
command:lspci -vnn | grep VGA
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1367[10:40:29] <Emery> .... would I be better using proprietary
drivers?
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1380[10:49:00] <teraflops> Emery: Which DE there (if any)?
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1382[10:49:11] <Emery> xfce
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1387[10:49:27] <SagelessFox> I successfully installed debian 8 to
my tablet
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1389[10:49:32] <Emery> teraflops,
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1392[10:49:49] <SagelessFox> but touch screen does not work :(
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1393[10:49:52] <teraflops> Emery: do you have the xfce composting
manager enabled?
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1394[10:50:03] <jelly> heh, composting
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1395[10:50:08] <Emery> I don't have any of that stuff
enabled
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1396[10:50:38] <teraflops> Well.Sometimes helps. I don't use
any though
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1398[10:51:13] <Emery> Well beside the screen tearing, it's
displaying my 390 as a 290
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1399[10:51:32] <Emery> Which is a totally different card anyway
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1402[10:51:57] <Emery> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller:
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Hawaii PRO [Radeon R9 290]
(rev 80)
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1403[10:52:50] <teraflops> Emery: no idea then. Foss driver
behaves fine. Xorg sucks anyway at this regard.
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1404[10:53:32] <teraflops> Emery: is this the new amdgpu fancy
stuff?
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1405[10:53:38] <Emery> I suspect I'll have to use the
proprietary drivers to get my card working to a reasonable level
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1406[10:53:51] <cplemaster> PCI IDs probably just aren't
updated yet with that card's info
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1409[10:54:41] <Emery> teraflops, I wouldn't call it fancy
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1410[10:55:06] <Emery> teraflops,
replaced-url
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1411[10:55:07] <teraflops> Emery: there's a new amdgpu Foss
driver. No idea if it's in debian stable though
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1413[10:55:13] <teraflops> Emery: heh
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1414[10:55:17] <Meerkat> Can I get poEdit 1.8 for jessie
anywhere?
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1415[10:55:49] <Emery> teraflops, I'd rather use AMD's
driver than move to another branch really
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1418[10:57:31] <SagelessFox> how to make touch screen work in
debian?
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1421[10:58:00] <SagelessFox> will I install extra drivers to
system?
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1422[10:58:20] <cplemaster> fglrx has been dropped in recent
releases
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1423[10:58:22] <teraflops> Emery: no idea about the support of
amdgpus in debian jessiebto be honest. Good old HDxxxx behaves
pretty well.
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1424[10:58:34] <Emery> teraflops, ergh haha
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1425[10:58:41] <teraflops> Heh
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1426[10:58:55] <SagelessFox> or just install software, touch
screen will automatically work ? :|
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1427[10:58:57] <Emery> teraflops, I don't even want it for
games, I just want the screen tearing gone, it's annoying af
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1428[10:59:07] <teraflops> Ups 5% battery
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1429[10:59:08] <jmd> I'm trying to debug something nasty in
ncurses-5.9 - I have installed libncurses5-dbg but in the debugger I
just get an opaque stack frame
/build/ncurses-K1qcbH/ncurses-5.9+20140913/menu/m_driver.c
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1430[10:59:17] <teraflops> Emery: yeah.
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1431[10:59:21] <jmd> How can I see what's going on inside
the library?
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1432[11:02:41] <teraflops> Emery: just wait. Amdgpu and Vulcan
looks promising :P
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1434[11:03:00] <Emery> teraflops, I'd rather get this fixed
today haha
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1436[11:03:12] <teraflops> Lel
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1437[11:04:40] <Emery> teraflops, Can't stand hardware going
to waste
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1440[11:05:48] <teraflops> Emery no idea about the support
perhaps you need a newer kernel than the stock jessie one. Since the
driver is in the kernel
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1446[11:07:59] <Emery> teraflops, I'm sure i'll figure
something out!
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1450[11:08:20] <teraflops> Yeah. Good 🍀
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1492[11:38:03] <TechChristoph__> hi can i use one nick name for
two irc-clients ?
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1493[11:38:20] <cplemaster> I don't believe so, it will say
it's already connected
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1498[11:39:08] <teraflops> TechChristoph__: use a relay
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1499[11:39:34] <teraflops> or ssh to the client (screen/tmux)
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1502[11:39:44] <TechChristoph__> ok
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1503[11:39:53] <TechChristoph__> hardwarerelay ?
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1504[11:40:22] <TechChristoph__> teraflops: or how do you mean ?
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1507[11:41:05] <TechChristoph__> because sometimes i use irrsi
and sometimes quasselclient
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1509[11:41:18] <TechChristoph__> but i dont want 2 nicknames for
2 clients
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1510[11:41:18] <teraflops> nope I mean weechat/irssi in relay
mode or one of those relay thingies over the internet. those are
always running then you connect to it not the irc itself
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1513[11:41:46] <hellyeah> hey
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1515[11:41:52] <cplemaster> TechChristoph__, if you mean you just
sometimes launch another IRC client but don't use them at the
same time, then yeah that's fine
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1517[11:42:09] <cplemaster> TechChristoph__, you just can't
use 2 at the same time
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1518[11:42:18] <TechChristoph__> ok
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1520[11:42:26] <TechChristoph__> well then
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1521[11:42:37] <cplemaster> TechChristoph__, I do the same thing
with a terminal-based IRC on linux and then Hexchat on Wangblows
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1522[11:42:44] <TechChristoph__> i have to create another one
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1523[11:42:54] <TechChristoph__> Wangblows ?
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1524[11:42:56] <Parrhesiastes> how to set locale for user instead
of global? /etc/default/locale
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1525[11:42:59] <cplemaster> TechChristoph__, Windows
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1526[11:43:06] <TechChristoph__> ah ok
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1530[11:44:11] <teraflops> TechChristoph__: as I said if you can
do it if you run a proxy/relay whatever
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1534[11:44:39] <teraflops> ℹ ⎸ Welcome to the Internet Relay
Chat Network teraflops!weechat@proxy
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1536[11:45:22] <teraflops> or just a cli client over tmux
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1538[11:46:22] <newbie|3> hey
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1539[11:46:27] <newbie|3> i try to install debian
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1541[11:46:42] <newbie|3> each time it gave me error installation
step failed
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1542[11:46:49] <newbie|3> is there any known issus?
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1546[11:47:42] <Parrhesiastes> newbie|3: which version are you
trying to install?
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1547[11:47:50] <Parrhesiastes> which step failed?
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1548[11:47:53] <newbie|3> stretch alpha 5
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1550[11:48:04] <newbie|3> installing base system
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1552[11:48:29] <Parrhesiastes> ye they say you should use the
stable installer, then upgrade later..
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1554[11:48:55] <Parrhesiastes> but i managed to use the stretch
installer if i had the dvd, and could install a base system just
from the dvd
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1555[11:49:16] <Parrhesiastes> (also i had to hack a bit with the
firmware placement etc)
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1556[11:49:28] <Parrhesiastes> anyway i guess they recommend
using the stable installer
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1557[11:49:51] <Parrhesiastes> (even thought the webpage can say
something else)
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1559[11:50:11] <newbie|3> hmm i have to use usb stick
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1560[11:50:19] <newbie|3> what is the name of stable release?
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1561[11:50:41] <Parrhesiastes> oh, ye, but you can put the dvd
image on a usb stick
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1562[11:50:49] <Parrhesiastes> dont remember, google it, jessie?
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1564[11:51:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes, jessie
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1565[11:51:16] <newbie|3> okey thans
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1566[11:51:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's not as if you could
have had a look at the /topic
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1567[11:51:21] <Parrhesiastes> good luck!
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1568[11:51:26] <newbie|3> i downloaded iso and make bootable usb
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1569[11:51:35] <newbie|3> i will download jessie now
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1570[11:51:40] <newbie|3> i love debian
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1571[11:51:46] <Parrhesiastes> ;|
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1572[11:52:01] <Parrhesiastes> theres an topic? ;P
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1573[11:52:05] <Parrhesiastes> -n
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1575[11:52:34] <newbie|3> debian jessie 8.4 right
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1576[11:52:43] <Parrhesiastes> ye, probably
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1579[11:55:06] <newbie|3> wondering stretch has update release in
2016 one before release was at 2015 but still have that issue?
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1580[11:55:08] <newbie|3> hmm
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1581[11:55:11] <newbie|3> interesting
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1585[11:56:22] <Parrhesiastes> seems the "next"
releases usually have problem with the installer *shrug*
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1587[11:56:48] <Parrhesiastes> i think i usually have some
problem installing linux, even with stable.. but then i dont do it
every year..
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1588[11:57:19] <newbie|3> hope jessie works stregth
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1589[11:57:27] <newbie|3> straight*
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1590[11:57:27] <teraflops> Parrhesiastes: that's why there
are daily weekly and monthly builds
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1591[11:57:53] <teraflops> err^ newbie|3
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1619[12:11:54] <Mathisen> hello i need a way to sync 2 folders
from my windows workstation to my debian server... what would be the
best way to do this ?
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1630[12:16:49] <tme5> Mathisen, perhaps see
replaced-url
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1641[12:20:36] <tme5> the debian docs still reference TLDP quite
a lot
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1644[12:21:36] <tme5> do we still consider it a useful resource
for linux users?
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1645[12:22:27] <tme5> it seems quite outdated. i have read
several guides which have software links straight to tarballs
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1654[12:25:26] <tmladek> hi, during installation of the latest
stable from a netinst usb drive, it stopped at "Partitions
formatting" - "Creating ext4 file system for / in..."
- I am afraid to shut this off and try again, what should I do?
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1656[12:26:33] <tme5> tmladek, afraid of data loss? is there even
anything on the disk?
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1672[12:38:12] <hiexpo> backup data tme5
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1673[12:38:30] <tme5> hm?
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1689[12:47:18] <tmladek> tme5: yup
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1691[12:47:34] <tme5> tmladek, are you partitioning the whole
disk?
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1693[12:47:55] <tmladek> a NTFS partition whose data I would not
like to use as sda1; sda2 is the ext4 (used to be a different
distro, getting formatted), sda3 is swap
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1694[12:48:05] <tme5> ah ok
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1698[12:48:36] <tmladek> so I guess in theory this should be
fine, but still
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1700[12:48:43] <tme5> hmm. unless you are editing the partition
table, i can't imagine you'd lose anything
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1701[12:48:50] <tme5> but i am not certain
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1703[12:50:28] <tmladek> Im more wondering as to why would this
hang, and Id like to find out so it does not happen a second time
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1707[12:52:09] <teraflops> Mathisen: rsync works in windows, also
openssh (cygwin and so on)
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1708[12:52:36] <PaulePanter> Hi. Just a note, that there is not
disk space on paste.debian.net anymore.
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1712[12:53:45] <teraflops> wtf
replaced-url
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1713[12:54:28] <fireba11> :-D
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1715[12:54:48] <tmladek> rofl
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1737[13:09:24] <tmladek> so, the installation hung again on the
same point - formatting the existing ext4 partition, so I deleted
them and created new ones with the guided partitioner tool - still
hangs on creating the ext4 filesystem
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1746[13:19:13] <fireba11> tmladek: how big is the partition and
how long does it hang? that might just take a while
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1747[13:19:35] <tmladek> fireba11: 100G, I rebooted the machine
after 40 minutes
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1749[13:20:05] <fireba11> okay, it definetely should not take
that long. you checked the HD to make sure it's not faulty?
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1750[13:20:38] <tmladek> yes, I bought it from the store some 2
weeks ago and it also runs Windows fine
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1757[13:23:48] <noqnio> i would try to boot on gparted liveusb
and partition it there
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1759[13:24:22] <fireba11> doesn't seem likely then but
still. i suggest doing either an extended smart test to be sure
and/or using a live medium to format your partition
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1762[13:25:26] <hexnewbie> tmladek: I found that some setting,
e.g. accidentally choosing an encrypted volume, cause all data to be
overwritten with zeros or otherwise take incredibly long. Still, 100
GB should take about 16 minutes even in that case.
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1764[13:26:06] <hexnewbie> tmladek: You could go to a free
console during the installation (e.g. Alt+F2) and see what's
running.
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1767[13:27:00] <hexnewbie> mkfs.ext4 should be fairly quick,
clocking under a minute or so. If it takes longer, it may be a dying
drive too.
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1774[13:29:16] <tmladek> running mkfs.ext4 manually in console
and then just telling the installer not to format it worked
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1775[13:29:21] <tmladek> the drive is not faulty :)
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1776[13:29:30] <tmladek> but thanks anyway!
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1778[13:29:48] <nebg> hello everyone... can somebody tell me if i
can run lxc as unrpivileged user on all distros ?
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1783[13:31:51] <bazhang> ,v lxc
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1784[13:31:51] <judd> Package: lxc on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.2-1;
squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.2-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports:
0.8.0~rc1-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.8.0~rc1-8+deb7u2; wheezy-backports:
1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie:
1:1.0.6-6+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 1:1.1.5-1~bpo8+1; sid:
1:2.0.0-2; stretch: 1:2.0.0-2
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1786[13:32:22] <bazhang> try #lxcontainer nebg
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1797[13:38:49] <wewlad> ,v wine-development
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1798[13:38:50] <judd> Package: wine-development on amd64 --
jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 1.9.5-3~bpo8+1; stretch:
1.9.8-1; sid: 1.9.8-1
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1801[13:40:32] <wewlad> what's stretch and sid?
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1803[13:41:00] <fireba11> unstable and testing
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1805[13:41:03] <wewlad> 2 days ago wine 1.9.9 released, where do
I get it?
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1807[13:41:33] <bazhang> try #winehq wewlad
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1808[13:41:39] <cynicallemon> wewlad, stretch is debian testing
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1809[13:41:46] <bazhang> they have their own repos
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1810[13:41:49] <wewlad> do I need to remove my current wine
installation (from jessie-backports, 1.9.5) in order to switch to
the more recent version?
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1812[13:42:02] <cynicallemon> wewlad sid is the unstable branch
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1814[13:42:29] <cynicallemon> wewlad, in toy story, sid always
broke things
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1816[13:43:07] <wewlad> what's the difference between
testing and unstable?
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1818[13:43:27] <rysiek|pl> wewlad: testing is the next-stable
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1819[13:43:33] <rysiek|pl> wewlad: unstable is "all bets are
off"
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1820[13:43:38] <wewlad> also, I guess
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1821[13:43:51] <hexnewbie> wewlad: unstable breaks a lot, testing
breaks less and you're testing that it is not broken
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1823[13:44:02] <cynicallemon> wewlad, not a lot of difference, as
said testing is a step nearer stable
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1824[13:44:37] <wewlad> thx
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1825[13:44:48] <cynicallemon> hexnewbie, testing breaks more than
sid as a rule
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1826[13:45:15] <cynicallemon> for me anyway
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1828[13:45:26] <fireba11> rysiek|pl: you got ti the wrong way
around you know?
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1831[13:45:54] <rysiek|pl> fireba11: ah damn it, I need my coffee
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1835[13:46:56] <rysiek|pl> fireba11: although...
replaced-url
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1836[13:47:06] <fireba11> anyway everything except stable is not
recommended for production use
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1837[13:47:14] <rysiek|pl> fireba11: so no, at least in theory,
sid aka unstable is the "all bets are off" one ;)
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1838[13:47:42] <rysiek|pl> fireba11: and testing is the one that
will become next stable eventually
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1841[13:48:30] <fireba11> oh that reminds me .. i still got a few
boxes running oldstable i need to upgrade
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1845[13:49:19] <rysiek|pl> don't we all ;)
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1847[13:50:05] <fireba11> and for everyone that ended up being
confused here the official explanation:
replaced-url
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1865[13:54:53] <cynicallemon> stable << testing <<
unstable
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1866[13:54:54] <cynicallemon> jessie << stretch <<
sid
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1884[13:57:15] <qis> What was the package "vim-full"
renamed to?
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1885[13:57:25] <fireba11> also, sid stays sid. only packages move
over to testing, never the whole thing
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1886[13:57:31] <qis> apt-get install vim does not install common
syntax files. Not even for the vimrc.
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1888[13:57:49] <fireba11> qis: use nano *ducks and runs for
cover*
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1889[13:58:15] <qis> Ah, linux communities. So friendly, so
helpful. =)
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1892[13:58:45] <fireba11> don't know .. never liked using
vim :-P
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1893[13:58:47] <hexnewbie> qis: The syntax files are in
vim-runtime, which should be pulled by vim. I would install vim-gtk
anyway.
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1897[13:59:42] <hexnewbie> qis: vim pull one of vim-athena,
vim-gnome, vim-gtk or vim-nox, all of them pull vim-runtime
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1900[14:00:14] <qis> hexnewbie: Hmm, you're right. And I
just noticed that debian-7 vim is so old that it ignores
~/.vim/vimrc
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1902[14:00:38] <qis> Still 7.3
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1903[14:00:42] <hexnewbie> I'm not sure if ~/.vim/vimrc was
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zsh would read .zsh/zshrc or something like that.
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1935[14:19:05] <qis> How can I instruct debian to restart the
networking? `/etc/init.d/networking stop &&
/etc/init.d/networking start` doesn't cut it. The
dns-nameservers entry is ignored.
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1936[14:19:45] <hexnewbie> qis: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
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1937[14:20:32] <TechChristoph__> hi
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1944[14:22:20] <qis> hexnewbie: Nope.
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1946[14:22:29] <qis> hexnewbie: Still missing entries in
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1948[14:23:09] <cynicallemon> hexnewbie, what missing entries?
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1956[14:25:30] <digidog> cp debian.x.iso /dev/sdX && sync
and plug in USB stick has always worked. not this time on a new acer
aspire v 17 nitro *scratchhead*
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1957[14:25:32] <qis> I have "dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8
8.8.4.4" in the interfaces config file.
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1958[14:25:39] <qis> /etc/resolv.conf shows only 8.8.8.8
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1959[14:25:47] <qis> Which it got from DHCP.
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1961[14:25:57] <qis> But I switched to a static IP address
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1962[14:26:02] <qis> Do I have to reboot?
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1966[14:27:11] <abrotman> digidog: doesn't work how?
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1967[14:27:13] <abrotman> qis: sholdn't have to
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1971[14:29:18] <digidog> abrotman: usb stick didnt get recognised
on new acer laptop, nor on USB2 nor on USB3, not via boot menu
(F12), not via BIOS boot order. But on the Debian system where I
have created the stick, the is fine: mounts normally with debian iso
content
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1973[14:29:50] <qis> Ok, solved it. This did the trick:
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1974[14:29:51] <qis> echo -e "nameserver 8.8.8.8\nnameserver
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1980[14:33:06] <abrotman> digidog: does the new laptop recognize
anyUSB bootable media?
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1987[14:37:14] <qis> What's the difference between
/etc/init.d/networking stop/start and ifdown/ifup eth0? With and
without changing the interface configuration file.
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1988[14:37:17] <digidog> abrotman: hard to say, tis 100% new and
has only I kind minimum linux on it via terminal. let me check viw
blkid
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1989[14:37:56] <digidog> abrotman: I would say: no. damn...
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1995[14:41:02] <johnny0> digidog: is it a live cd or a netinst
image?
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2000[14:42:40] <johnny0> digidog: have you enabled
legacy/bios/hybrid boot mode?
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2001[14:42:52] <johnny0> the live images don't have uefi
boot support iirc
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2004[14:44:20] <digidog> johnny0: o.O
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2005[14:44:23] <digidog> wuuut ?
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2006[14:44:25] <digidog> okayyy
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2007[14:44:37] <digidog> johnny0: ok, then, net image try ?
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2010[14:45:03] <digidog> johnny0: abrotman: thx, I'll try
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2011[14:45:07] <digidog> johnny0++
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2012[14:45:12] <digidog> abrotman++
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2013[14:45:19] <digidog> thanks a million for your time
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2046[15:07:54] <da3m0n22> hi, with kdump-tools (crash, coredump,
...), i'm not able to dump vcore, using 'kdump-config
savecore' reports 'open_dump_memory: Can't open the
dump memory(/proc/vmcore). No such file or directory'
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2048[15:08:54] <da3m0n22> running '4.5+72~bpo8+1' from
jessie-backports, i've checked the kernel config, and all
relevant sections are enabled, as they should be, but /proc/vmcore
is really non-existent
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2049[15:09:06] <da3m0n22> anybody has a hint on what's going
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2062[15:14:52] <Robert_Darwin> When shutting down or rebooting
debian8.4 on my laptop, systemd gives that "Failed to finalize
DM devices, ignoring".
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2066[15:16:13] <Robert_Darwin> The developer of systemd said that
"systemd has nothing to do with this" on github issue831.
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2072[15:19:27] <tremon> da3m0n22: from reading the kdump manual
page, it seems that /proc/vmcore only appears after a crash?
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2075[15:19:49] <neoncortex> i think i find a bug into lightdm,
anyone want to try it? xD .. in my laptop, if i turn it on and close
it [ don't login, let it into the lightdm login ], after some
time, like an hour or two, if i open it, the screen will not turn
on, then i need to switch for some tty, log in and restart lightdm
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2076[15:19:50] <tremon> (rather, after a panic causes the kernel
to re-exec into kdump mode)
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2077[15:20:12] <toruvinn> happy worldwide mdraid killing day ;-)
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2083[15:22:44] <da3m0n22> tremon: oh, so only way to test it is
not 'kdump-tools savecore/test' but actually causing
kernel panic?
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2086[15:23:16] <tremon> I think so. But I've never actually
used it, I'm just reading the man page...
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2094[15:25:22] <da3m0n22> as i'm solving panics in my
system, only thing that is in /var/crash are empty directories named
as date-time when panic occured and kexec_cmd file, hard one to
debug ...
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2096[15:25:57] <tremon> maybe
replaced-url
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2099[15:29:25] <philm88> Anyone know why a etc/shadow file would
get deleted on boot? I've been trying to edit it on a separate
system to get around a forgotton password issue; but every time I
boot up the machine in question, it deletes the shadow file
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2103[15:31:12] <tremon> philm88: wut? on a Debian system?
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2105[15:32:09] <koollman> philm88: deleted as in not there
anymore ? My guess would be you messed up while editing it
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2107[15:32:25] <koollman> if it's not deleted, but rather
not modified, same guess
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2109[15:32:51] <philm88> tremon: Yes. Well, it's technically
OSMC, which is based on debian
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2110[15:33:01] <koollman> it *could* be on a selinux system, and
then it would need some more operations
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2111[15:33:43] <philm88> koollman: Yeah, seems to be totally
deleted. I thought it was just not writing to the device (sd card)
properly, but removing it and remounting it on another machine shows
my updated file there. Put it into my locked out machine (raspberry
pi), I can't ssh in, so re-mount the sd card on another machine
and the file is gone
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2112[15:33:43] <tremon> even selinux would not delete the file,
but rather deny all access if it's mislabeled
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2115[15:34:31] <tremon> philm88: if it's deleting essential
files, I would not trust that OS one bit. Can you nuke and start
over?
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2116[15:34:48] <koollman> it is why I asked about the kind of
deletion :)
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2117[15:35:11] <koollman> it could be a rather bad luck and not
unmounting properly the just edited file ... but that's
unlikely
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2119[15:35:34] <philm88> tremon: I can - I haven't gone too
far from nothing at this point, so I could nuke it and start again.
I was hoping to not resort to the nuclear option just yet though
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2120[15:36:20] <philm88> koollman: yeah, it's happened a
few/every-time I've tried it. Pretty sure everything gets
unmounted/ejected correctly before I put the sd card back into my
raspberry pi. So I'm pretty sure that somehting during the
pi's boot is killing the file for some reason
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2121[15:36:37] <tremon> well I don't see what else you can
do. From the sound of it, you're using it in a headless box so
stepping through the boot process manually may not be possible
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2125[15:37:58] <tremon> the rpi has a mechanism that can reset
the root password on first boot, maybe that's broken and you
need to edit a different file. But we can't help you with that
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2126[15:38:46] <tremon> all we can do is verify that it
doesn't happen on Debian proper
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2127[15:39:33] <philm88> fair enough, thanks anyway. Looks like I
might have to go nuclear
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2131[15:40:23] <dontknow> test
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2133[15:40:42] <neoncortex> go nuclear o.O
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2134[15:40:52] <tremon> dontknow: didn't work, we're
all still here
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2140[15:42:04] <dontknow> tremon: i am testing pidgin
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2141[15:43:08] <dontknow> do you know if i can list channels on
pidgin?
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2152[15:46:28] <dontknow> ok i figured out
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2170[15:54:21] <digidog> johnny0: *facepalm*
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2171[15:54:31] <digidog> johnny0: I only read your last comment
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2174[15:56:14] <digidog> johnny0: now it works... thx a mill
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2181[15:57:52] <digidog> johnny0: well, at least I can choose
another boot device, but now I have only blinking cursor after
choosing the correct USB device
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2182[15:58:16] <digidog> but maybe it takes a while until Debian
install pops up, not sure
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2190[16:00:53] <digidog> I remember that I had a similar issue
once when I used cp instead of dd. Than I did it with dd and it
worked. BUt I can't find the tut no more because I remeber
there was some more options to set by using the dd command to create
the stick
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2195[16:04:19] <GNU\colossus> it appears paste.debian.net's
free disk space has been exhausted
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2199[16:06:54] <teraflops> GNU\colossus: yeah. Just don't
use pastebin.com in the meantime :P
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2200[16:07:07] <GNU\colossus> I would NEVER ;)
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2202[16:07:20] <teraflops> Heh
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2207[16:09:07] <toruvinn> teraflops, why?
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2208[16:09:50] <shibly> /etc/init.d/networking , is this run
during boot?
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2209[16:09:59] <shibly> Where is it told to run this at boot?
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2210[16:10:16] <shibly> How is it run at boot?
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2211[16:10:27] <toruvinn> shibly, i'd guess either
/etc/rcX.d if you're using sysvinit or somewhere in systemd
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2212[16:10:27] <shibly> I can do manually like :
/etc/init.d/networking start
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2214[16:11:43] <shibly> There is a symlink in /etc/rc0.d/
K07networking -> ../init.d/networking
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2215[16:12:02] <teraflops> toruvinn: Ads, Spamfilters,
Captcha,Addswhitespace, Slow, Ugly, Nocommentannotate, Breaks
copy/paste, Blocked for some people, etc.
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2219[16:12:53] <shibly> Where is it told to run
/etc/init.d/networking at boot?
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2220[16:13:05] <toruvinn> teraflops, thanks, thought it had
something to do with "keeps your secret, precious data
forever" or something like this. ;-) but yeah i dont really
like them either.
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2224[16:13:57] <toruvinn> shibly, are you using systemd or not?
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2225[16:14:08] <shibly> This is what i got:
replaced-url
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2232[16:16:15] <toruvinn> shibly,
replaced-url
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2237[16:18:34] <toruvinn> shibly, in short, it's probably
not used (like most if not all of /etc/init.d) in systemd.
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2241[16:21:02] <brigo> toruvinn, i think in Debian
/etc/init.d/networking is using by systemd at boot time.
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2246[16:25:44] <shibly> service --status-all displays some
service with + sign in front and - sign in front, what does this +
and - mean?
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2247[16:26:02] <brigo> shibly, if you are using systemvinit: this
is how it boots:
replaced-url
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2252[16:26:59] <shibly> brigo: What's sysvinit? How can i
know if the system is using sysvinit?
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2258[16:28:54] <brigo> shibly, cat /proc/1/comm
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2265[16:31:00] <shibly> cat /proc/1/comm outputs systemd
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2274[16:34:54] <shibly> cat /etc/inittab has
si::sysinit:/etc/init.d/rcS
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2276[16:37:09] <teraflops> shibly: are you trying to understand
the symlink clusterfuk behind debians systemd/sysvinit
implementation? Good luck :P
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2284[16:40:31] <shibly> teraflops: There is nothing like sysvinit
in /etc/systemd/
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2287[16:43:46] <shibly> Suppose i have written a bash script, now
how can i start it at boot time?
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2288[16:44:34] <teraflops> If.youre using systemd create a
systemd unit
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2291[16:46:19] <shibly> service --status-all displays service
with a + or - sign in front of it, what does that mean by + or - ?
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2297[16:49:34] <Javabean> + is running, - is not running
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2300[16:52:48] <tmladek> hi, I just installed Debian 8.4, but
when I boot it, it just shows a usual message about sda2 (my root
partition), then blanks out, and shuts off the monitor, and I cant
switch it to any other tty; but it is still responsive to magic
sysrq codes
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2301[16:54:09] <tremon> tmladek: amd graphics?
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2302[16:54:52] <tmladek> tremon: what about them?
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2303[16:54:59] <tmladek> oh, I misread; no, NVidia
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2305[16:56:36] <shibly> teraflops: Debian uses systemd
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2308[16:56:53] <tremon> hmm, ok, not what I thought then. almost
all recent AMD graphics display that behaviour when the (non-free)
firmware is missing
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2309[16:56:54] <shibly> teraflops: If i don't use systemd,
then how can i run a script at boot?
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2310[16:56:56] <teraflops> tmladek: did you installed DE/Dm? Are
you using nouveau? Which gpu model is this
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2311[16:57:20] <tremon> not sure if nvidia is the same, or what
firmware would be needed
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2312[16:57:48] <tmladek> teraflops: yes, chose KDE on install; I
do not know what I am using, as I hadnt had the chance to use the
system yet; it is a GTX 460v2
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2315[16:59:06] <teraflops> tmladek: I wondering you can ping/ssh
the machine
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2316[16:59:12] <teraflops> Wonder if
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2317[16:59:27] <shibly> Is using the systemd unit the only way to
start a script during boot?
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2319[17:00:04] <teraflops> shibly: /etc/rc.local still works in
jessie.
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2322[17:00:21] <tmladek> teraflops: good idea to try; didnt
install SSH server, or I would have already been troubleshooting :/
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2323[17:00:33] <digidog> nor 8.3.0 nor 8.4.0 netinstall wont boot
on the new acer aspire v 17 nitro i legacy mode, johnny0. It tries
to boot but its only blinking cursor
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2325[17:02:07] <shibly> teraflops: There is nothing like rc.local
in /etc/
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2326[17:02:38] <teraflops> shibly: which debian release are you
using?
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2331[17:03:27] <tmladek> teraflops: yes, it responds to ping
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2332[17:03:43] <dzz007> calling from debian-live GNOME Edition,
Anyone heard?
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2333[17:03:45] <shibly> Debian GNU/Linux 8.4 (jessie)
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2334[17:04:02] <tmladek> dzz007: roger
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2335[17:04:06] <teraflops> tmladek: then I guess your Dm does not
like your gpu. Are you using nouveau?
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2336[17:04:12] <tmladek> teraflops: how do I tell?
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2338[17:04:42] <shibly> teraflops: Oh, yes, there is a file named
/etc/rc.local
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2339[17:04:43] <dzz007> So, what is the best irc chatting
application under debian?
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2340[17:04:55] <teraflops> tmladek: you installed the system. If
you didn't install any nvidia related thingy I guess
you're on nouveau
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2343[17:05:17] <tmladek> teraflops: I did not notice the
installer asking me about any nvidia thingy, so yes, I probably dont
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2344[17:05:25] <digidog> dzz007: irssi terminal chat :P
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2345[17:05:30] <tmladek> dzz007: hexchat
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2346[17:05:45] <dzz007> how about empathy, have you heard of it?
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2347[17:05:46] <tmladek> I just unplugged my other screen just in
case it was caused by that; no dice
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2348[17:06:10] <dzz007> tmladek: hexchat is not a free one... i
am not a rich people
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2349[17:06:16] <teraflops> tmladek: then I guess trying lightdm
is a good idea
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2350[17:06:16] <tmladek> dzz007: it is
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2352[17:06:24] <tmladek> teraflops: so do I reinstall?
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2354[17:06:32] <teraflops> Not really tm
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2355[17:06:35] <teraflops> Ups
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2357[17:06:41] <dzz007> really? i remember it wasn't when i
was using my windows system?
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2358[17:07:00] <tmladek> dzz007: it is opensource
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2361[17:07:31] <teraflops> Just boot into rescue mode with the
iso. Select your installation and install lightdm
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2362[17:07:52] <dzz007> tmladek: well, maybe i remembered the
wrong one.
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2363[17:08:33] <shibly>
replaced-url
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2364[17:08:45] <shibly> Or will it stop during shutdown the pc?
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2365[17:09:06] <shibly> update-rc.d blah defaults this adds in
all run-levels
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2368[17:10:12] <shibly> There are two options, start) and stop)
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2381[17:16:49] <tmladek> teraflops: I just ran "update-rc.d
kdm disable" so that I can at least have a normal shell, but
the behavior persists - what do I have to disable for this not to
happen?
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2384[17:17:41] <teraflops> tmladek: hmm, giving a try to the
nvidia propietary driver I guess.
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2387[17:18:00] <teraflops> tmladek: did you google for your gpu
and same issues?
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2390[17:19:07] <tmladek> teraflops: well to be honest Ive never
had these issues before since I ran debian 6, so I did not think to
check for that, but I will
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2399[17:22:40] <asarch> What do you do with a "W: There is
no public key available for the following key IDs:
1397BC53640DB551"?
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2401[17:22:54] <asarch> ...warning message?
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2402[17:22:57] <tmladek> asarch: import the public key :)
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2403[17:23:07] <asarch> How?
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2404[17:23:12] <aZz7eCh> Enigmail GnuPG through Icedove broken
for everyone just recently? or just me ?
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2405[17:23:14] <tmladek> asarch: gpg --import-key
1397BC53640DB551, iirc
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2407[17:24:12] <asarch> gpg: Invalid option
"--import-key"
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2408[17:24:27] <tmladek> teraflops: sure enough, no error message
regarding X (before it said "X server startup timeout")
after I disabled kdm, but still blank screen/sleep mode of my
display after boot
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2410[17:24:51] <tmladek> asarch: sorry, I dont have a working
linux system at hand right now to check for you, but google for
"gpg import key"
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2412[17:25:09] <asarch> Ok. Thank you tmladek
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2414[17:25:14] <asarch> Thank you very much :-)
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2415[17:25:33] <teraflops> tmladek: youre using nouveau? look at
xorg/lsmod
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2416[17:25:51] <tmladek> teraflops: yes, that shows up in the
syslog
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2419[17:26:25] <aZz7eCh> just me? damn.
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2420[17:26:53] <tmladek> teraflops: what did you mean
"xorg/lsmod"?
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2421[17:26:58] <teraflops> tmladek: give a try to nvidia blob if
you're not that picky
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2422[17:27:21] <teraflops> tmladek: look for which driver you are
using
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2425[17:29:21] <teraflops> tmladek: ah xorg log*
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2430[17:31:20] <tmladek> ah gee, the chroot always fails for some
reason when I press page up in less. how odd
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2438[17:34:10] <teraflops> tmladek: run `bash` inside the chrroot
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2441[17:34:20] <teraflops> chroot*
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2443[17:34:35] <tmladek> teraflops: huh, this is interesting -
"Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist,
0)"
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2446[17:35:10] <teraflops> tmladek: well I suggest you to follow
replaced-url
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2451[17:36:32] <aZz7eCh> If anyone here has much experience with
GnuPG/Enigmail.. an update (no idea which) has broken my pgp.
replaced-url
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2452[17:36:32] <aZz7eCh> use GnuPG it bombs out with this error.
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2455[17:37:23] <teraflops> aZz7eCh: maybe you have already
running gnome-keyring-whatever
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2458[17:37:48] <aZz7eCh> which i no doubt do yes - for network
passwords etc..
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2462[17:38:09] <tmladek> teraflops: alright, thanks :)
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2463[17:38:59] <aZz7eCh> teraflops, but this would have been the
case prior to whatever has caused this.
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2466[17:40:34] <teraflops> aZz7eCh: yeah I thought of gpg-agent
already exists issue, that's not your issue.
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2477[17:45:40] <awwal> Which pkg libreoffice uses in the
background for spell checking?
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2478[17:45:55] <awwal> aspell-... ?
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2485[17:49:15] <awwal> My debian system have spanish localization
and without any extra dictionary he does spell checking just fine
for spanish, so I'm trying to find which pkg I really need for
make libreoffice do spell checking for french language
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2488[17:50:58] <awwal> I'm just lost with hyphen, hunspell,
myspell, aspell ; I dont know which one is needed or if libreoffice
spell check depends on the system localization
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2502[17:55:31] <tremon> awwal: going just by package
dependencies, LO could use either hunspell or myspell, and hyphen
and mythes alongside
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2508[17:57:40] <awwal> tremon, have checked those pkgs but in my
system I only see aspell-es (spanish) installed ; hunspell, myspell
mythes -es are not installed but libreoffice do the spell checking
for spanish docs
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2510[17:58:05] <awwal> thats my confusion. So I thought that LO
needs aspell-es?
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2511[17:58:39] <awwal> hyphen-es not installed also
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2517[18:00:26] <hellyeah> hey
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2518[18:00:44] <hellyeah> is there a package in debian to make
windows usb stick?
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2519[18:00:56] <aZz7eCh> unetbootin
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2520[18:01:03] <aZz7eCh> i think might be what you want
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2522[18:01:22] <dvs> !unetbootin
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2523[18:01:22] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer)
allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux
distributions.
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2524[18:01:36] <darkblue_b> hey - paste.debian.net says
"disk full"
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2525[18:01:39] <darkblue_b> fyi
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2526[18:01:41] <satori> my install tells me the time is 12:00
EDT, what do I change to set my TZ to London, Enlgand?
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2527[18:01:45] <tremon> hellyeah: what's a "windows usb
stick"?
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2528[18:01:54] <hellyeah> i have win8 iso file
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2529[18:02:05] <hellyeah> i want to make bootable usb with
windows
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2530[18:02:14] <hellyeah> unetbootin works?
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2532[18:02:22] <aZz7eCh> tremon, "a make-shift stick for
poking windows in the usb hole"
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2537[18:04:08] <teraflops> the same as a debian bootable usb
stick for installing it. windows has a native tool
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2538[18:04:08] <satori> never mind, found "dpkg-reconfigure
tzdata"
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2541[18:05:21] <hellyeah> teraflops: i am using debian currently
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2542[18:05:33] <hellyeah> i need linux package if it is available
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2543[18:05:38] <teraflops> aZz7eCh: winusb works
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2546[18:05:53] <teraflops> hellyeah: it's not in debian
repos though
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2547[18:06:03] <tremon> hellyeah: you can just use mkfs.vfat to
format the usb disk, and just use any archiver to extract the iso to
the usb disk
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2548[18:06:04] <teraflops> sorry <
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2549[18:06:05] <hellyeah> hmm
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2551[18:06:30] <hellyeah> tremon: let me try
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2552[18:06:30] <Kirito> Could re-compiling Debian's PHP and
MySQL packages with native CPU optimizations (i.e. -march/-mtune)
make a perceivable difference in performance?
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2554[18:07:21] <teraflops> hellyeah: but, if your windows is EFI
I guess you can do some magic as tremon says (I tested with windows
8 though)
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2555[18:07:51] <Kirito> (I've also read that using
intel's compilers over standard gcc can produce a nice
performance boost with MySQL, but I have no experience with that)
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2556[18:08:05] <tremon> hellyeah: normally, you'd use
something like mbr or dosfstools to make a disk MS-style bootable,
but I'm not sure if that's enough for the win8 installer
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2558[18:08:42] <hellyeah> let me try make.vfat
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2561[18:09:58] <hellyeah> mkfs.vfat
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2562[18:10:04] <tremon> Kirito: I think it's unlikely to
make much difference
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2563[18:10:50] <teraflops> hellyeah: this works for windows 8
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2564[18:11:16] <hellyeah> thanks teraflops
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2565[18:11:19] <teraflops> hellyeah: for EFI
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2566[18:11:29] <hellyeah> EFI?
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2567[18:11:41] <teraflops> yeah not BIOS/MBR
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2569[18:11:52] <teraflops> sorry UEFI
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2571[18:12:16] <hellyeah> ,c
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2573[18:12:58] <teraflops> winusb works great if you dont mind
compiling it
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2575[18:13:53] <hellyeah> i can compile it
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2577[18:14:48] <teraflops> it's clever. it just install grub
in the usb stick copy the iso to it and then boot it via grub <3
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2578[18:15:39] <Kirito> tremon, that's generally what
I'm told. It's all relative to some extent, of course. For
someone like Facebook or Google, the difference can be significant
because they handle massive amounts of data, and even small
improvements can mean a lot. Of course, I'm not Facebook or
Google. I can handle a decent bit of traffic, but not really
anything enterprise grade
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2581[18:16:09] <Kirito> I think I might boot up my old laptop and
test a few sql benchs with and without build optimizations for
academic purposes if anything and see what happens :D
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2583[18:17:24] <tremon> Kirito: the biggest difference between
processor architectures are the introduction of more specialized
instructions (vector, encryption, etc). It's unlikely php or
mysql benefits much from those
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2585[18:17:44] <tremon> (processor families I mean. within the
same architecture)
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2589[18:18:20] <tako> is there any source for sublime text 3?
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2590[18:19:01] <Kirito> Yeah, I know that much so far. I was
thinking that MySQL specifically may actually benefit more from
those things than other packages, but I'm possibly completely
wrong there. Just with the nature of MySQL / RDBMS' in general,
it seemed like it would be able to benefit more from the additional
CPU instructions
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2591[18:19:38] <Kirito> Also since when running a web server, PHP
and MySQL are the things consuming a majority of the systems
resources, maybe even the small benefits could make it worthwhile
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2594[18:20:28] <tremon> well in theory, the optimizations that
benefit most programs (including php and mysql) is to align data
structures and loops according to the target processor's cache
sizes
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2595[18:20:50] <tremon> but that is much more involved than
simply recompiling
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2599[18:22:08] <Kirito> Ahh, I see. I should take the time to sit
down and maybe actually learn C or some other non-interpreted
language some time, then maybe I can start to learn more about
low-level stuff like this :D
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2601[18:23:15] <tremon> it's not really about C though,
it's about knowing processor architecture
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2605[18:25:22] <Kirito> I think Coursera actually has a few
courses on things like that. I should set aside some time for that
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2608[18:26:07] <tremon> that's probably a better way to
start :)
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2617[18:32:30] <tremon> not really entry-level though, I think
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2621[18:34:36] <tmladek> teraflops: what actually worked was
upgrading to testing as I had intended :)
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2623[18:35:00] <tmladek> but now I have a problem with KDE, it
just black-screens after login. Anybody encountered this kind of
issue?
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2624[18:35:19] <Kirito> Ah, good point, thank you. I'll add
this one to my watch list
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2627[18:36:22] <teraflops> tmladek: so, newer kernel? still doing
nouveau?
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2629[18:36:45] <tmladek> teraflops: still nouveau, yes; newer
kernel and Xorg and noveau too, I suppose
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2631[18:37:26] <teraflops> no idea about the kde part :(
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2636[18:38:32] <tmladek> teraflops: no problem, thanks anyway!
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2646[18:42:30] <awwal> libreoffice auto spell checking issue
solved :) required pkgs : 'myspell-Xlanguage'
'mythes-Xlanguage'
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2648[18:43:19] <hellyeah> windows doesnt have password but when i
try to open hdd it ask for pass
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2658[18:47:21] <white_magic> does anyone here know which program
is used in raspbian debian (for raspberry pi) to automatically mount
usb drives?
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2662[18:49:04] <wewlad> hello debs, a question about mem usage
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2664[18:49:22] <wewlad> I just learned there's a
'free' command/util that shows mem usage
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2667[18:49:38] <wewlad> but it's data don't match the
data shown by 'ps'
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2671[18:50:33] <wewlad> I mean in 'ps' I have only 2
processes using 5.4% and 4.2%, the rest of processes are around
0-1.5%
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2677[18:52:14] <abrotman> white_magic: ask #raspbian
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2682[18:54:38] <white_magic> ok
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2684[18:54:46] <white_magic> oops
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2686[18:55:39] <wewlad> so I've just summed all mem usage %
in ps and the sum for all processes is 54%
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2687[18:56:27] <wewlad> and 'free -m' says that out of
total 3963Mb I have 370Mb used, which is way more than 54%
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2688[18:56:40] <wewlad> is it okay or is it a sign of a memory
leak?
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2689[18:57:30] <exedore6> Are you counting the cached memory
usage?
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2694[19:01:23] <teraflops> wewlad: sorry for throwing links at
you, that said
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2704[19:06:06] <wewlad> teraflops: don't be sorry and thanks
for the link, there's quite a good answer there
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2753[19:33:03] <satori> I've got nginx installed, but if I
try to uninstall Apache, then WordPress wants to uninstall too. Is
there a way around this?
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2756[19:33:25] <satori> I want to keep nginx and wordpress, but
lose Apache.
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2801[19:54:37] <exedore6> satori: You could use equivs to build a
package the 'provides' apache so Wordpress doesn't
complain.
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2803[19:54:49] <prussian> ugh, I hate when that happens exedore6
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2804[19:55:01] <prussian> I don't think you can without
putting your package manager in a bad state
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2808[19:55:27] <prussian> I know on RHEL, if you install
something like nagios it pulls httpd as a dep as well.
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2814[19:56:40] <raspberrypifan> hey why i am getting this error
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2815[19:56:42] <raspberrypifan> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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2816[19:56:42] <raspberrypifan> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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2817[19:56:42] <raspberrypifan> W: Some index files failed to
download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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2818[19:56:58] <exedore6> prussian: Only other thought is to
repackage either Wordpress or ngenix with the right keywords. Equivs
seemed like the least broken way (or just install wp in /opt I
guess)
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2821[19:57:22] <barubaru> Just take it from another place.
Probably this source is dead
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2825[19:58:00] <HerculeP> non-us.debian.org doesn't resolve
indeed
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2827[19:58:22] <raspberrypifan> is that an issue with my
particular install or is it with all of the newer debian installs
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2828[19:58:35] <prussian> exedore6: yeah. Oh well.
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2829[19:58:47] <prussian> I would just keep using nginx for now
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2830[19:58:49] <barubaru> Its an issue with a website i guess,
check another mirror
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2832[19:59:29] <raspberrypifan> i guess id have to update the apt
file right?
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2833[19:59:41] <raspberrypifan> or are these sources really
needed and i can just # them out
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2837[20:00:43] <barubaru> Just find any working site and throw
out the rest
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2840[20:01:13] <raspberrypifan> is this a common source cause id
imagine other ppl would be complaining if it was
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2841[20:01:21] <raspberrypifan> i didnt build this debian it was
built for me on a vm
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2842[20:02:09] <barubaru> Put there german or american source
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2843[20:03:41] <raspberrypifan> is there a list of sources
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2844[20:03:43] <raspberrypifan> plz
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2854[20:07:22] <f31n> hi, since the new saba update i can't
access the server any more from a mac - does anyone else has that
problem?
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2862[20:13:02] <solix> Did anyone maybe tried to install srware
iron ("the ungoogled chrom")?
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2863[20:13:21] <barubaru> Ungoogled chrom is called chromium
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2864[20:13:33] <solix> Well, actually installing went fine with
gdebi and the iron.deb package, but I just cannot start it...
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2865[20:13:58] <raspberrypifan> i found a nice huge list of
sources
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2866[20:14:00] <raspberrypifan> but apparently i need curl
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2867[20:14:04] <raspberrypifan> and that doesnt come with debian
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2868[20:14:11] <solix> barubaru Yes, Chromium, indeed... There is
also Iridium
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2869[20:15:18] <barubaru> Rasp you just need to find any single
working repo and then install all what you need
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2870[20:15:56] <barubaru> Repository
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2874[20:17:02] <gionnico> I upgraded from stable to testing and
aptitude was removed. Now I can't install it again:
replaced-url
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2875[20:17:07] <gionnico> Anyone got a hint?
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2879[20:18:24] <barubaru> Downgrade to testing?
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2881[20:18:43] <markybob> gionnico, testing support is in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2882[20:18:48] <barubaru> *Stable
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2897[20:24:04] <white_magic> hi, does anyone know if it's
possible to prevent a user from navigating their home share when
they authenticate to Samba?
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2900[20:25:43] <jim> is it possible to determine from grub.conf
where grub was installed? I have a LOT of grubs everywhere, and when
I boot, it's to some older copy of grub that doesn't get
altered when its grub.conf is updated... how can I make sure the
right grub is booted?
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2904[20:26:37] <jim> three 2tb drives, and copies of old installs
from 15 and 20 years ago
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2915[20:29:23] <unborn> white_magic: it should be set up within
your samba shares
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2916[20:29:41] <unborn> like /shared-folder that should lock them
in that folder
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2925[20:31:47] <solix> Hmmm, might be sounding silly, but I just
cannot start the browser after install. There is /usr/share/iron -
is this the right folder to launch the browser?
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2929[20:32:36] <tremon> jim: the path to grub.conf is hardcoded
in stage1.5 at install time, the answer to your first question is
"no". The answer to your second question is normally to
run grub-install again on your boot device
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2932[20:36:42] <jim> tremon, if I turn off secure booting (which
I have), does that mean it will not boot from the uefi grub boot
loader file?
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2934[20:38:02] <tremon> don't know, that depends on your
bios. If your bios can do efi boot without secure boot, it should
still work with grub-efi
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2935[20:38:39] <tremon> if your bios only does efi boot with
secure boot enabled, it will probably try to boot through the
mbr/grub-pc route
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2936[20:38:47] <ecom> I'm missing UI elements such as
highlighting in the context menu, boxes around text, and scrollbars.
I'm trying to run default gtk themes like Adwaita, but they
seem to be broken after doing a netinst of Debian Jessie. What
packages am I missing?
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2937[20:38:56] <raspberrypifan> is there anyway to make an image
of my cloud server and store on my computer to restore it when it
goes back?
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2938[20:39:23] <tremon> raspberrypifan: ask your cloud server
provider
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2940[20:39:55] <raspberrypifan> i know they do have anything
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2941[20:40:03] <raspberrypifan> cause its got the worst customer
service ever
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2942[20:40:04] <raspberrypifan> but its free
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2943[20:40:14] <raspberrypifan> cant i do some kind of dd to of
my cloud to my home
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2944[20:40:49] <tremon> sure you can, with netcat
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2946[20:41:03] <tremon> but how will you restore that image?
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2947[20:41:47] <tremon> you can't dd to the disk your system
is running on, it will crash halfway through or you'll end up
with a corrupt image
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2951[20:42:26] <raspberrypifan> hmm
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2952[20:42:29] <raspberrypifan> is there any other option?
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2954[20:43:01] <tremon> to do a meaningful (bare-metal) restore,
you side a side-channel to access the cloud disk from outside the
running server
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2955[20:43:12] <raspberrypifan> right
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2956[20:43:16] <raspberrypifan> thats the exact problewm
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2957[20:43:21] <raspberrypifan> cause this cloud thing gives you
no way to do
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2958[20:43:27] <raspberrypifan> even the building of the machine
itself is done by them
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2959[20:43:32] <raspberrypifan> thats why its free
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2960[20:43:56] <tremon> ok, then you're stuck with
filesystem-level backups, like rsync
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2966[20:45:22] <raspberrypifan> rsync
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2967[20:45:25] <raspberrypifan> ill have ot look into that
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2971[20:45:50] <tremon> that's not really a problem though,
rsync is a great backup tool. But it's not an exact
"image" of your cloud server, it's a filesystem copy
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2989[20:48:33] <jim> is it true the uefi booting does not involve
writing to specific disk sectors, and instead involves files?
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2990[20:48:55] <tremon> yes
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2992[20:50:01] <jim> so, when the uefi filesystem is backed up
using (say) rsync, it can be restored to a blank drive by putting
the filesystem there and copying the files back?
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2993[20:50:03] <tremon> to be exact, the uefi spec requires that
the boot system can read FAT(32) partitions, and run executables
from there
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2998[20:51:33] <tremon> you can backup and restore files from
there, you just need to make sure that the partition you're
restoring to has the correct signature (it should be marked as EFI
System Partition in the partition table)
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3001[20:52:18] <jim> and, does the partition table need to be
gpt?
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3006[20:53:35] <tremon> not exactly sure. There is an ESP
partition type for mbr disks (0xEF), but I can't vouch for
every single bios/efi implementation out there
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3017[20:55:39] <jim> gotcha,,, so, all the combinations are then
possible... either partition table, impl. supports gpt but not mbr,
impl supports mbr but not gpt, impl supports both, impl supports
neither (aka broken or not uefi)
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3022[20:56:22] <tremon> with linux (and possibly *bsd), yes.
Windows does not support booting from GPT disks in bios mode, nor
booting from MBR disks in EFI mode
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3024[20:58:00] <tremon> for bios-booting with grub from a GPT
disk, you need a (tiny) partition marked as bios boot partition:
replaced-url
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3025[20:58:15] <jim> ok, hmm. as far as my own issue that leaves
me in the same place... but more well informed, thanks for that
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3027[20:59:07] <tremon> jim: so where are you at then?
you've described your issue, but not your complete situation.
are you efi booting or bios booting?
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3028[20:59:20] <tremon> (i.e. do you have grub-efi or grub-pc
installed)
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3029[20:59:30] <jim> bios, I turned that stuff off for now
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3030[21:00:00] <jim> let me check on that part... btw, do those
packages conflict?
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3031[21:00:34] <tremon> I don't think they conflict, but not
sure
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3032[21:00:57] <tremon> scratch that, they do conflict
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3033[21:01:10] <tremon> grub-efi-amd64 Conflicts: grub-pc
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3035[21:01:17] <jim> so I cannot have both installed
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3036[21:01:38] <jim> ok, grub-pc is installed, grub-efi is not
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3037[21:02:05] <tremon> good, at least your bios and debian agree
on the boot method :)
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3042[21:02:39] <tremon> so you said that changes to grub.conf are
not reflected in the grub menu at boot?
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3048[21:03:31] <jim> the machine boots a grub I must have
installed sometime in the past... maybe recent, it has a debian 8.3
choice (I'm running 8.4, so not too recent)
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3053[21:04:23] <zz> lol
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3057[21:05:28] <tremon> ok, so I think there's two
possibilities: either your bios is booting from the wrong disk, or
it's booting from the right disk but the grub bootloader reads
from the wrong /boot partition
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3060[21:06:18] <jim> tremon, I think that's right, since
I'm running 8.4, the grub menu entry should probably say so
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3063[21:07:07] <tremon> you can probably fix this by re-running
grub-install /dev/sda from your current system, but do you actually
need to boot into the other system(s)?
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3064[21:07:34] <tremon> the nuclear option is to just write the
new grub bootloader to every drive (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb and so on)
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3065[21:07:49] <jim> probably not... and if I ever do, I can
probably find it from the grub shell
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3067[21:08:14] <tremon> ok then installing grub to every hdd is
probably the safest option
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3068[21:08:52] <tremon> I'd also advise you to run
dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and check every disk there, so that grub
gets re-installed on upgrade
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3069[21:09:19] <tremon> and you can install os-prober to
autodetect other OS installs on your system
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3073[21:11:06] <jim> what does debconf store about grub-pc?
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3075[21:11:36] <tremon> the kernel command line options and on
which devices to install the bootloader
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3078[21:13:10] <tremon> it's a bit messy, because those
command line options are still stored in /etc/default/grub. You can
still edit those files by hand, but changes to the
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX* lines are no longer persisted there
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3079[21:13:16] <jim> ok, cool... so while the config file
(grub.conf) doesn't have the device to write grub to, the
debconf system does... good to know
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3080[21:13:18] <mlin112> does anyone know what type of program i
am supposed to use to read a .nfo file? when i open it in a text
editor it has a bunch of tags and looks messy
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3088[21:15:44] <tremon> mlin112: that can't be helped. .nfo
files are simple text files, but without any encoding information.
If you know its origin, you can probably use iconv to convert the
"foreign" encoding to your system's native encoding
and then it might display normally in your text editor
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3089[21:17:04] <tremon> mlin112: but that requires you to a) get
familiar with iconv b) know the original encoding of the file
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3090[21:17:05] <mlin112> tremon, ok thanks
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3091[21:17:26] <mlin112> i think it might be for kodi
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3092[21:17:27] <ecw-> wtwe
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3105[21:24:31] <DHowett> aren't .nfo files usually
distributed with digital copies of media, identifying the source and
container/stream information in a human-readable format?
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3106[21:24:59] <DHowett> (i.e. they're not useful in the
least)
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3109[21:27:02] <ecom> I'm missing UI elements such as
highlighting in the context menu,
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3110[21:27:02] <ecom> boxes around text, and scrollbars. I'm
trying to run default gtk
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3111[21:27:02] <ecom> themes like Adwaita, but they seem to be
broken after doing a
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3112[21:27:02] <ecom> netinst of Debian Jessie. What packages am
I missing?
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3114[21:28:12] <DHowett> harsh
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3120[21:30:19] <tdm4> Hi all.. I'm running Debian Jessie and
using Wine-1.8 from backports. It keeps saying "Could not load
wine-gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled". How do install
gecko in wine?
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3123[21:31:59] <tremon> tdm4: there's a libwine-gecko-2.24
package
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3124[21:32:09] <tdm4> tremon: yes, I have that installed. Wine
ignores it.
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3125[21:32:10] <tremon> not sure why it's not pulled as a
dependency by wine
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3126[21:32:17] <tremon> hmm...
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3127[21:32:25] <tdm4> found this bug but it's unhelpful:
replaced-url
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3128[21:32:27] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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3129[21:32:43] <tdm4> there a way I can put gecko into wine
properly as a workaround?
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3131[21:33:03] <tremon> funny thing is, wine doesn't
complain for me but I still have libwine-gecko-1.4 installed...
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3134[21:33:22] <tdm4> I tried 'msiexec /i
wine_gecko-2.24-x86.msi' from the directory libwine_gecko is
installed.. it didn't do anything
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3135[21:33:42] <DHowett> interestingly, the wine 1.9.7 devel
version decided to download wine-gecko on its own on first launch
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3136[21:33:47] <tdm4> ii libwine-gecko-2.24 2.24+dfsg-1
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3138[21:34:23] <TomTomTo1> it's possible to download it from
winehq.
replaced-url
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3139[21:34:27] <tdm4> is there a way to get wine to download
wine-gecko?
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3142[21:34:50] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello
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3143[21:35:21] <tremon> tdm4:
replaced-url
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3144[21:35:25] <tdm4> according to that site.. for Wine 1.8,
I'd need wine_gecko-2.40.. which is much newer than
libwine-gecko-2.24 :)
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3145[21:35:36] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, does the layout in
XKBLAYOUT in /etc/default/keyboard affect the console (ttys)
keyboard? or do I need to set it in initramfs?
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3148[21:35:50] <tremon> well that would explain why it complains
at least :)
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3151[21:36:32] <tremon> SpeakerToMeat: it should affect it iirc,
but not sure. Try it and see?
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3160[21:38:24] <tdm4> tremon: wine 1.8 doesn't try to
download gecko at all.. I guess the package is broken
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3168[21:41:18] <hellyeah> hey
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3169[21:41:27] <hellyeah> debian didnt see my 3g device
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3170[21:41:38] <hellyeah> do i need to install any extra package?
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3175[21:45:47] <de-facto> how do i disable services when
systemctl does not complete? :-(
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3176[21:47:21] <de-facto> is there a filesystem interface to do
this like back in the days with systemV?
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3178[21:47:57] <de-facto> for some reason everytime i use
systemctl i get a headache :-//
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3180[21:48:30] <jmcnaught> de-facto: "systemctl list-units
-t service" and "systemctl status" can both list unit
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3181[21:48:44] <jmcnaught> systemctl has tab complete for me
though
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3182[21:49:08] <de-facto> yeah they could if it was not so buggy
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3183[21:49:11] <de-facto> Failed to execute operation: Connection
timed out
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3184[21:49:20] <de-facto> GREAT :-/
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3186[21:49:41] <hellyeah> i am connecting 3g with usb
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3187[21:49:47] <hellyeah> i am using wodofone
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3189[21:50:13] <hellyeah> any suggestion?
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3191[21:50:21] <jmcnaught> de-facto: what kind of system is this?
a VPS?
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3192[21:50:27] <de-facto> yes
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3195[21:50:51] <de-facto> it was on high i/o wait, so i wanted to
disable some services and reboot then
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3196[21:50:59] <jmcnaught> de-facto: did you upgrade to jessie,
or did the VPS come with it? what does uname -a say your kernel is?
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3197[21:51:12] <de-facto> its jessie clean installed some time
ago
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3198[21:51:37] <jmcnaught> and the kernel?
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3199[21:51:49] <de-facto> default
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3200[21:52:02] <de-facto> even sync takes very long
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3202[21:52:07] <jmcnaught> what does "uname -a" say?
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3204[21:52:29] <de-facto> 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
3.16.7-ckt25-2 (2016-04-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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3210[21:53:28] <tecra_m1> i installed jessie on an old laptop
(Toshiba Tecra M1) using CD1 after i finished installing the base
system, i rebooted and from the command line i proceeded to install
xorg. lightdm and mate-desktop environment. After they were
installed, i rebooted but X does not start. The screen goes solid
black. help!
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3212[21:53:42] <de-facto> for some reason it has some io wait
problems, probably it uses a lot of swap
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3215[21:54:27] <tecra_m1> The laptop is:
replaced-url
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3219[21:55:13] <tecra_m1> lscpci says: Graphics Processor AGP 4x
- Trident XP4m32 - 32 MB DDR SDRAM
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3221[21:56:23] <de-facto> jmcnaught how can i disable services
when systemctl is flawed? can i delete some links somewhere?
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3222[21:56:54] <dom7th> qq
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3223[21:56:54] <dom7th> q
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3226[21:57:24] <tremon> de-facto: iirc you need to mask them. For
every service file in /lib/systemd that you need to disable, create
a symlink in /etc/systemd to /dev/null
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3231[21:58:25] <tecra_m1> btw, the laptop has 1 gigabyte of RAM
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3232[21:58:33] <jmcnaught> de-facto: yes as tremon says.. the
symlinks would be in /etc/systemd/system and need to have the same
name as they do in /lib/systemd/system
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3238[21:59:48] <jmcnaught> de-facto: did you earlier have systemd
or udev packages fail to install or upgrade properly?
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3243[22:01:02] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: can you put a copy of
/var/log/Xorg.0.log on
replaced-url
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3246[22:01:55] <de-facto> jmcnaught not that i know of any
problems with those. i guess i ran out of ram (java dangit) and
killed all those now, but i want to disable the services completely
before rebooting
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3247[22:02:04] <tdm4> tremon: got it working! Downloaded
wine_gecko-2.40-x86.msi and ran wine msiexec /i <the file>..
all sorted
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3249[22:02:28] <tecra_m1> jmcnaught, how can i copy the output of
/var/log/Xorg.0.log if the screen goes black before it starts X?
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3251[22:02:38] <de-facto> jmcnaught where does systemctl place
its symlinks for enabled services? or arent there any on the
filesystem?
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3257[22:04:05] <de-facto> the problem always seems to be
magically related to systemd somehow, cost me so much time already
:-/
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3258[22:04:07] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: boot from a livecd, copy the
file to a USB stick. have you researched to see if this card is
still supported by linux? Did you have graphics during the installer
(or did you use text mode)?
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3260[22:05:00] <jmcnaught> de-facto: "man systemd.unit"
tells you where units go, and i already mentioned it
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3266[22:07:29] <tecra_m1> jmcnaught, i do not have a spare CD to
create a live CD. The old laptop does not support booting from usb.
I used C1 and perfomed a text install, that is i installed the base
system without X. I rebooted and from the command line i installed
xorg, lightdm and mate-desktop environment
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3269[22:07:55] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: can you boot into rescue
mode from the grub menu?
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3276[22:09:13] <jim> tremon, grub seems to be working better now
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3279[22:10:09] <tecra_m1> jmcnaught, do you mean recovery mode
from the grub menu?
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3282[22:10:37] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: yes sorry, have you tried
that?
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3283[22:10:39] <jim> tecra_m1, the isos for the live cd are
writable to a usb stick, because they're hybrid boot
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3295[22:13:06] <tecra_m1> jim: The old laptop does not support
booting from usb
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3296[22:13:15] <de-facto> Failed to start reboot.target:
Connection timed out
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3298[22:13:38] <de-facto> i LOVE systemd
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3299[22:13:41] <de-facto> its the best ever
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3300[22:14:09] <tremon> remember, it's never the fault of
systemd. it's always a distro or user error
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3302[22:14:23] <tecra_m1> jmcnaught, i booted recovery mode from
the grub menu. what do i do now?
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3305[22:15:43] <tecra_m1> jmcnaught, i booted recovery mode from
the grub menu and i am at the command line waiting for your
instructions
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3306[22:15:50] <jmcnaught> de-facto: it sounds like your dbus has
gone AWOL, have you looked at
replaced-url
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3307[22:17:16] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: do you have a network
connection? the goal here is to get your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on to a
paste site so others can help you troubleshoot
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3313[22:18:00] <de-facto> well the question is, how can i reboot
without data loss now?
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3314[22:18:49] <tecra_m1> jmcnaught, i have right now a working
internet connection on the old laptop running recovery mode
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3316[22:19:53] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell tecra_m1 about pastebinit
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3318[22:20:22] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: check the message from dpkg
and use pastebinit on the Xorg.0.log file, then tell us the URL
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3343[22:27:06] <tecra_m1> jmcnaught,
replaced-url
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3344[22:28:03] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: sorry that paste site
doesn't work for me. didn't pastebinit default to
replaced-url
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3358[22:30:53] <de-facto> is there any chance to get that
wonderfull systemd into a state wich would me allow to reboot my
server?
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3359[22:30:58] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: well it seems like the
debian paste site is getting spammed at the moment, but if you could
use a paste site that doesn't require javascript i'll take
a look
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3361[22:31:59] <jmcnaught> de-facto: for services that still have
an init script you could use those to stop the services. otherwise
you may need to do a hard reboot.
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3363[22:32:08] <tecra_m1> jmcnaught,
replaced-url
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3365[22:32:19] <de-facto> hmm ok great
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3372[22:33:47] <de-facto> i really miss the good old init.d
system
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3375[22:34:23] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: so in this file you want to
look for lines with (EE). On line 321 there's: (EE) TRIDENT:
Failed to load module "xaa" (module does not exist, 0).
You might be able to get this to work using an xorg.conf that forces
the VESA or fbdev driver (which should be used as a fall back)
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3376[22:34:59] <jmcnaught> de-facto: you're dealing with a
very uncommon problem that doesn't seem to be very documented
very much on line. complaining about systemd is just going to make
people like me not want to help you
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3377[22:35:12] <tecra_m1> jmcnaught, sorry but i am a desktop
newbie and do not understand what you are saying
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3379[22:35:45] <SpeakerToMeat> Something odd happens
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3381[22:36:28] <jmcnaught> tecra_m1: normally Xorg is very good
at autodetecting hardware and will fallback to generic drivers if
necessary. It does this without a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. You can
make a file that will force it to use a fallback driver. Have you
searched online for solutions used by others using this video card?
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3382[22:36:49] <SpeakerToMeat> my kbd layout is set correctly on
Xorg gnome3, but if I go to console (ctrl alt f1) the layout is
wrong there (a strange one) until I run loadkeys es, and if I move
from console back to xorg, the layout there changed to be the same
as in console (the odd one).....
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