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• 3[00:02:20] <Tr4sK> Got it
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• 8[00:02:41] <jelly> what was it
• 9[00:02:50] <Tr4sK> It was my /etc/crypttab
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• 12[00:03:34] <Tr4sK> Because, I wanted to use some other name in /dev/mapper, not the one generated by the rescue disk
• 13[00:03:37] <jelly> Unzkilled: are you a bot?
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• 18[00:04:10] <jelly> that should be possible
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• 20[00:04:52] <jelly> I did not like that sda2_crypt thing, so I put in...
• 21[00:05:01] <Tr4sK> Debian rescue mount my disk into /dev/mapper with the name from /dev/sd??
• 22[00:05:21] <jelly> luks0 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-OCZ-VERTEX3_OCZ-3UA144F0J2X0R3Q3-part2 none luks,discard
• 23[00:05:56] <jelly> (using by-id path instead of UUID=, I hate UUIDs)
• 24[00:06:12] <Tr4sK> Let me try this way
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• 26[00:06:35] <jelly> and now /dev/mapper/luks0 is the decrypted PV
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• 45[00:14:07] <Tr4sK> same issue with /dev/disk/by-id
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• 47[00:16:30] <Tr4sK> it raise some warning if the first field in /etc/crypttab is not the same as in /dev/mapper/sd??_crypt
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• 50[00:19:18] <Tr4sK> then, the initramfs is not well populated (no /sbin/cryptsetup)
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• 151[01:12:35] <wpostma> Is there a way, when you install Debian to make it use LVM for the root filesystem but NOT use 100% of the disk space at installation?
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• 154[01:13:02] <wpostma> I chose LVM option when partitioning my disk, and it made 100% of my disk space used up.
• 155[01:13:19] <wpostma> I want the LVM partition to take the whole disk, but the LVM filesystems NOT to.
• 156[01:13:25] <fishcooker> i have the xfce4-powermanagement uninstalled so the no data battery collected any recommendation...?
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• 165[01:19:16] <themill> wpostma: sure, you can make the LVM any size you want by doing so manually in the installer, rather than accepting its automagical defaults.
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• 168[01:19:33] <wpostma> i must have missed that menu. i guess I need to try it a few more times.
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• 171[01:20:25] <Gimcrack> anyone have experience setting up ircd-hybrid? I'm attempting to host an IRC server on a amazon ec2 box
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• 173[01:24:13] <themill> wpostma: Where you selected to make it all on one lvm you had the option to do it manually
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• 175[01:24:48] <wpostma> i guess when you do it manually though, in debian, you start with an empty disk, you have to create the LVM partition and everything inside it.
• 176[01:25:04] <wpostma> There's no way to have it set the LVM partition up and create all the stuff in it inside, and then let me just adjust the sizes.
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• 178[01:25:31] <themill> Once it has created all the stuff inside, it's too late to adjust the sizes.
• 179[01:25:41] <hipster> ^
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• 181[01:25:59] <themill> But yes, once could imagine nicer ways of doing it... turning imagination into code is harder
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• 184[01:26:54] <hipster> well if one wanted to code a solution for that they would load all the variables before making the actual changes
• 185[01:27:30] <wpostma> automatic LVM choice with parameter to leave x% unallocated would be a nice addition to the installer.
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• 190[01:31:58] <hipster> Does anyone here use KDE with their Debian install. How up to date are the packages? Do the plasma widgets work well?
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• 194[01:33:11] <themill> wpostma: lots of things would be nice; the installer environment is *very* constrained and not many people want to work on it. If you think you can offer assistance, I can't imagine the d-i team will be unhappy to hear from you ;)
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• 197[01:33:54] <wpostma> I might try to help with it.
• 198[01:34:39] <wpostma> I have been installing Debian since 2.0 (Hamm).
• 199[01:34:48] <wpostma> The modern installer is way slicker than those early ones
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• 202[01:35:52] <wpostma> KDE Plasma is working great here.
• 203[01:36:03] <wpostma> I personally prefer XFCE4 but KDE Plasma is very nice, and I like it a lot more than Gnome.
• 204[01:36:29] <benrob0329> Ok, anyone here have any experience with SSD caching for rootfs?
• 205[01:36:49] <benrob0329> Or, installing stuff from the live environment?
• 206[01:36:49] * dvs hands wpostma dselect
• 207[01:37:14] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: I've setup cachefiles on HDD
• 208[01:37:27] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: for network shares and such. though rootfs seems to be tricky
• 209[01:37:42] <benrob0329> Whenever I run apt-install it just fills the screen with black lines and exits
• 210[01:38:06] <keropok> try apt install without -
• 211[01:38:10] <benrob0329> I've setup a bcache rootfs in Void Linux, not in Debian tho
• 212[01:38:31] <benrob0329> Apt doesnt exist in the live environment
• 213[01:39:14] <wpostma> So you're trying to use a Live Install Debian and then have some kind of SSD caching to speed up the live image?
• 214[01:39:30] <wpostma> But you don't want to just do a traditional SSD install of Debian?
• 215[01:39:37] <benrob0329> I'm trying to install Debian with bcache for rootfs
• 216[01:39:57] <benrob0329> Or any kind of caching that is similar
• 217[01:40:07] <benrob0329> No RAID setups would do it afaik
• 218[01:40:51] <TomTheDragon> No, RAID would not
• 219[01:41:09] <mnuhmnuh> benrob0329: to be clear, livecd toram or eg. tails-sh? que?
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• 221[01:42:07] <benrob0329> mnuhmnuh: livecd on a flash stick, no gui, ash
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• 223[01:43:18] <benrob0329> I really just need to be able to install bcache-tools
• 224[01:43:19] <mnuhmnuh> benrob0329: should be easy, old tech, never bothered w it myself, lots of others have. zzz...
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• 226[01:43:48] <wpostma> Not sure what the benefit is if your SSD is large enough to just have a traditional Debian root filesystem on your SSD
• 227[01:43:55] <benrob0329> But the only apt-thing that exists seems to be "apt-install"
• 228[01:44:11] <benrob0329> wpostma: large recording files at high quality
• 229[01:44:30] <mnuhmnuh> well, i did, but that was for client, so don't count.
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• 231[01:44:55] <benrob0329> I need both speed and space, bcache works quite nicely with my SSD + large HDD
• 232[01:44:58] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: looks like you got a broken system if you don't have apt-get/"apt install"
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• 234[01:45:38] <benrob0329> TomTheDragon: this isn't an install
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• 236[01:46:00] <wpostma> The instructions for using BCache I have seen boil down to:
• 237[01:46:12] <wpostma> 1. do a traditional Debian install to your regular disk
• 238[01:46:17] <wpostma> 2. add bcache.
• 239[01:46:26] <wpostma> So the live debian thing is probably the wrong starting point.
• 240[01:46:48] <mnuhmnuh> TomTheDragon: he' bldg sumfin. :-)
• 241[01:46:55] <benrob0329> So, post-install register the bcache and swap out the boot drive?
• 242[01:47:06] <benrob0329> That sounds messy, but doable
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• 244[01:47:31] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: bcache doesn't change the file system itself, right?
• 245[01:47:35] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: it's just a cache
• 246[01:47:36] <wpostma> Here's a blog post using Debian Jessie
• 247[01:47:45] <wpostma> replaced-url
• 248[01:47:57] <benrob0329> TomTheDragon: I'm not entirely sure, I'd have to go reread
• 249[01:47:59] <wpostma> probably would work the same in stretch
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• 253[01:49:19] <benrob0329> wpostma: it seems he is doing a different setup
• 254[01:49:27] <benrob0329> Non-rootfs
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• 257[01:49:53] <wpostma> Hmm. So since Grub doesn't support booting from BCache, how is your system booting?
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• 260[01:50:26] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: you boot from initrd
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• 262[01:50:39] <wpostma> Which has to be on a /boot partition which is not bcache right?
• 263[01:51:01] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: bcache is a block level cache, I thought... so not a filesystem, right?
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• 265[01:51:17] <wpostma> right, but grub won't read your initrd from it.
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• 267[01:51:32] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: it would read your initrd from the hard drive formatted ext4/xfs/etc
• 268[01:51:40] <benrob0329> /boot is standard (efi in my case)
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• 270[01:52:03] <wpostma> got it. Never set up BCache either way (rootfs or not)
• 271[01:52:09] <benrob0329> So load ramfs -> mount bcache
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• 275[01:53:02] <benrob0329> Problem with doing it in post is that bcache seems to need a clean fs beforehand
• 276[01:53:20] <benrob0329> Official instructions: replaced-url
• 277[01:53:54] <TomTheDragon> looks like bcache is a filesystem or image thing
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• 279[01:55:19] <wpostma> well the usage of bcache that I understand is where it's like the Windows feature that uses an SSD to accelerate a non-SSD main volume.
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• 281[01:55:40] <wpostma> mac os also has something like it, a hybrid-drive configured in software instead of as a hardware layer feature.
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• 286[01:56:12] <wpostma> but I don't understand the "rootfs" usage of it.
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• 288[01:57:15] <benrob0329> wpostma: speed everything up without limiting space
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• 300[01:59:26] * mnuhmnuh why do they always say that?
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• 309[02:02:57] <benrob0329> But, why does apt-install only seem to clear the screen?
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• 312[02:05:06] <mnuhmnuh> apt update && apt upgrade
• 313[02:05:35] <wpostma> what does man apt-install say that apt-install does?
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• 315[02:07:25] <benrob0329> wpostma: man does not exist in the live environment
• 316[02:07:33] <benrob0329> mnuhmnuh: nor does apt
• 317[02:07:39] <benrob0329> Just apt-install
• 318[02:07:41] * mnuhmnuh unaware that apt-install existed.
• 319[02:07:48] <benrob0329> I dont understand either
• 320[02:08:08] <wpostma> I don't have any idea what apt-install does but since you're in a live filesystem, how could it possibly install anything?
• 321[02:08:34] <wpostma> You have a read-only root filesystem.
• 322[02:08:53] <benrob0329> wpostma: like any other ram based filesystem, install it temporarily
• 323[02:09:26] <benrob0329> Its the way every other live environment i've come across has done
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• 325[02:09:35] <thomas___> hello
• 326[02:09:38] <wpostma> I don't see any Debian documentation about "apt-install" on the web.
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• 328[02:09:42] <unknownbeing> hello
• 329[02:09:50] <mnuhmnuh> wpostma: :-) "no chance of breaking anything, play, you're where you wanna be!"
• 330[02:10:23] <benrob0329> wpostma: that is the problem
• 331[02:10:38] <benrob0329> I mean I can go redownload from my laptop
• 332[02:10:47] <wpostma> I am not convinced that apt-install is what you think it is.
• 333[02:10:57] <benrob0329> Most likely not
• 334[02:11:10] <wpostma> What I suspect is that Debian's Live CD is not like other live CDs. What you got is what you got.
• 335[02:11:20] <wpostma> You got a desktop. And you can launch the installer.
• 336[02:11:20] <benrob0329> Which makes this a very frustratingly limited live environment
• 337[02:11:22] <wpostma> And that's all you got.
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• 341[02:11:55] <benrob0329> Hmm, maybe the livedvd image would be of use
• 342[02:12:11] <chocolate> is I do ls /root/file > result how can I proceed to ls /root/file2 > result not loosing the last result?
• 343[02:12:11] <benrob0329> Having more tools packaged I would assume
• 344[02:12:12] * mnuhmnuh homo sapiens. sheesh.
• 345[02:12:37] <ezdev> in my experience, debian has a good live environment--
• 346[02:12:50] <moxom> I love Debian.
• 347[02:12:55] <ezdev> whether it is on a cd or not is another matter. and i havent tried it since jessie
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• 352[02:17:23] <themill> Are you sure it's actually the debian live cd?
• 353[02:17:40] <themill> (apt-install exists only within the installer; the live cd has apt)
• 354[02:18:01] <benrob0329> Its likely a net-install image
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• 356[02:18:32] <wpostma> so you have the netboot install?
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• 359[02:19:07] <wpostma> the ordinary debian installer images are definitely not Live CD images
• 360[02:19:08] <benrob0329> Most likely, i'm downloading the DVD live iso rn
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• 367[02:26:15] <mischief> hi, why is the changelog for replaced-url
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• 369[02:29:20] <wpostma> Once debian installer has partitions, can I delete one of them or alter it in any way? I can't see how.
• 370[02:29:41] <wpostma> I can change mount points and labels, but not size. And most importantly I can't delete or drop one. I can erase it but that doesn't delete it.
• 371[02:29:51] * Maai firstly needs to apologise for earlier behavior 2 years ago
• 372[02:30:24] <Rusty1_> mischief: replaced-url
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• 374[02:30:27] <wpostma> If I go back to Detect disks, it doesn't ask me if I want manual or guided again. I suspect I have to reboot to undo the choice of Guided Partitioning.
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• 377[02:30:36] <mischief> Rusty1_: check the changelog.
• 378[02:30:47] <mischief> replaced-url
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• 381[02:31:18] <Maai> or admit i got annoyed. i was annoyed. anyway. do packet managers dpkg, aptitude and apt-get store all downloads in the same area?
• 382[02:32:31] <Rusty1_> mischief: that 404's here as well
• 383[02:33:44] <betatester> server DNS address could not be found.
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• 385[02:34:37] <allizom> the package libxml2 has got a security update 2 days ago
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• 388[02:35:42] <mischief> it looks like this was the issue
• 389[02:35:44] <mischief> replaced-url
• 390[02:35:58] <mischief> i was just curious why there was no changelog.
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• 395[02:40:20] <Rusty1_> /usr/share/doc/libxml2/changelog.Debian.gz << mischief see what that says?
• 396[02:41:09] <mischief> yea, it's there
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• 424[03:04:06] <[ohnx]> hiya, I'm having a rather strange issue with Debian... only 1 core out of the 8 cores (2 CPUs x 4 cores per CPU; no hyperthreading) I have is being recognized. I'm running a E5420
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• 434[03:12:10] <b1anc> hi, is umask 022 the default in Debian?
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• 443[03:20:22] <teatime> [ohnx]: really? in /proc/cpuinfo ?
• 444[03:20:26] <teatime> b1anc: yes.
• 445[03:20:37] <b1anc> thx
• 446[03:20:54] <[ohnx]> teatime: yup
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• 449[03:21:20] <teatime> [ohnx]: just shows one core? that is radical, I have never seen anything like that.
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• 451[03:22:16] <[ohnx]> teatime: yeah, I know the system has broken ACPI tables, so I tried using acpi=off but that didn't help
• 452[03:22:26] <[ohnx]> I'm just double-checking that it isn't some obscure BIOS issue
• 453[03:22:45] <[ohnx]> s/BIOS issue/BIOS setting that is disabling the other cores
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• 460[03:25:58] <teatime> [ohnx]: I don't even know where you'd start with that on the linux side
• 461[03:26:02] <teatime> it's just supposed to be right :)
• 462[03:26:10] <teatime> it's surprising to me it can be wrong and the system run
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• 473[03:29:26] <[ohnx]> teatime: yeah I was rather surprised to see that, too...
• 474[03:29:34] <[ohnx]> I'm going to try some live iso
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• 479[03:31:16] <TomTheDragon> [ohnx]: and you're using SMP kernel right? I'm pretty sure /all/ kernels are SMP now though
• 480[03:31:26] <kaliuser> anyone knows how to install kde desktop enviroment on kali 2017.3
• 481[03:31:26] <[ohnx]> TomTheDragon: yup
• 482[03:31:41] <[ohnx]> it's linux 4.13 something
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• 489[03:35:59] <donald_> I read that replaced-url
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• 492[03:38:19] <awal1> how can I get diff colorize differences?
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• 494[03:40:22] <awal1> I seen colordiff in deb pkgs but wondering if one can already do with traditional diff
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• 497[03:41:29] <[ohnx]> hmm, looks like it may have been a BIOS issue?!?
• 498[03:41:37] <[ohnx]> I reset the BIOS and everything works now.
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• 502[03:43:33] <jordanm> awal1: --color=auto
• 503[03:43:36] <donald_> [ohnx] me?
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• 508[03:47:39] <awal1> jordanm, not exactly :P tried --color=auto but what it does exactly is colorize stuff not present in file A but present in file B . stuff present in both but modified are not colorized
• 509[03:48:16] <awal1> hm, I think I just install colordiff
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• 530[03:58:15] <wpostma> so what I've learned about the installer that surprises me is that it doesn't seem to give me an option to erase a disk that already has partitions. It actually remembers (after a reboot) the changes I never wrote to the disk. I can't figure out how it did. Unless it wrote the partitions before I even told it to do so.
• 531[03:58:43] <wpostma> I pick manual partition and it still shows me the LVM volumes inside an LVM partition, which I never wrote to the disk.
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• 535[03:59:31] <wpostma> Manual Partition mode has NO delete partition option, even in Advanced Install, in Debian Stretch.
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• 540[04:00:54] <wpostma> how can I delete a partition or clear an existing set of partitions and manually partition a disk in the stretch installer?
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• 542[04:01:52] <wpostma> when I select an LVM partition it says "Partition in Use: No modifications to partition 5 of device can be made... in use by LVM volume group".
• 543[04:02:16] <themill> you need to delete the vg then the pv then the lvm
• 544[04:02:24] <wpostma> How do I delete the VG?
• 545[04:02:38] <wpostma> There is literally NO delete VG option
• 546[04:02:50] <wpostma> There's erase data on this partition, but no "remove vg"
• 547[04:02:52] <themill> there is but I'd need to fire up the installer to find it
• 548[04:03:16] <wpostma> options are: use as: mount point: mount options: label: reserved blocks: typical usage: erase data. and done.
• 549[04:03:18] <themill> I last did this about 4 weeks ago...
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• 553[04:03:24] <wpostma> there is literally NO delete VG option.
• 554[04:03:33] <themill> you're a menu level too deep there
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• 556[04:04:08] <wpostma> up one menu, choices are guided parition, configure raid, configure lvm, configure encrypted volumes, config iscsi, followed by a list of LVMs
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• 558[04:04:33] <wpostma> there's no delete option and pressing delete on the VG item doesn't delete it.
• 559[04:04:37] <themill> configure lvm doesn't go straight to "mount point"
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• 561[04:05:31] <wpostma> right after detect disks stage which offers no choices, you get to partition disks. If there partitions already exist, including an LVM and a VG, you can't remove any of it.
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• 564[04:05:42] * themill has done so
• 565[04:06:03] <wpostma> I'm looking for an option that will wipe an entire disk but there isn't one, nor a way to remove the VG and LVM
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• 568[04:06:31] <themill> I don't have the time to spare to walk you through it, sorry. Knowing that it is indeed possible should help though
• 569[04:07:00] <wpostma> interesting. you can wipe the LVM out by choosing GUIDED, then choose the NON LVM option, then choose YES to wipe all the VGs.
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• 572[04:07:08] <wpostma> Once you do that, you cal delete individual partitions.
• 573[04:07:19] <wpostma> but there is no way to do it until you delete everything and go back to a non-LVM guided mode.
• 574[04:08:01] <themill> I know I didn't do it that way, but if that works for you then all good
• 575[04:08:17] <wpostma> yeah. it's surprising me. I expected there to be a delete VG item and there isn't.
• 576[04:08:36] <themill> yeah, there is
• 577[04:08:40] <themill> *shrug*
• 578[04:08:52] <wpostma> I'm looking at it. :-) If you find one, DM me @wpostma
• 579[04:09:53] <wpostma> If I manually create volumes, I believe I may get the option to delete VMs.
• 580[04:10:03] <wpostma> but if they were created by the guided VG creation then no.
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• 582[04:10:48] <themill> Considering that what I did was let it do guided, decide that wasn't what I wanted, switch to manual, delete them and create them how I wanted, I disagree.
• 583[04:11:02] <wpostma> ok. I'm happy to be wrong. Will keep looking.
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• 589[04:14:07] <benrob0329> Can I start the installer from a live environment?
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• 592[04:14:24] <benrob0329> Or do I have to back out of the live environment?
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• 594[04:15:18] <wpostma> If there isn't an icon on the desktop called Installer, I'd imagine you have to use a boot menu choice.
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• 596[04:16:27] <themill> benrob0329: I wouldn't advise installing from the live CD at all, it tends to be a bit quirky. The installer images are much better at … installing.
• 597[04:16:43] <wpostma> ^ this. also it's probably buggy.
• 598[04:16:44] <dvs> who knew?
• 599[04:16:56] <benrob0329> But, I need extra toola
• 600[04:17:00] <benrob0329> *tools
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• 602[04:17:19] <themill> wpostma: quite. It manages to forget the lvm2 package, for instance.
• 603[04:17:42] <benrob0329> I'm doing a non-standard setup and need extra tools not in the installer
• 604[04:17:56] <benrob0329> But I actually have to be able to install...
• 605[04:18:05] <themill> benrob0329: what do you need?
• 606[04:18:17] <benrob0329> bcache-tools
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• 608[04:18:47] <benrob0329> And a disk partitioner, neither or which are in the installer iso
• 609[04:19:00] <wpostma> uh, the debian installer does include a partitioning tool.
• 610[04:19:02] <themill> A disk partitioner certainly is.
• 611[04:19:10] <wpostma> I'm using it right at this very second.
• 612[04:19:22] <benrob0329> I couldn't find gdisk or fdisk..
• 613[04:19:27] <benrob0329> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 614[04:19:28] <wpostma> If you want the maximum flexible install, start the debian installer in "ADVANCED" MODE.
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• 616[04:19:44] <themill> The installer is not a live-cd
• 617[04:19:44] <benrob0329> You can do that?
• 618[04:20:01] <wpostma> in the normal installer (not the live CD), yes there is an advanced mode.
• 619[04:20:15] <benrob0329> Does it include apt?
• 620[04:20:47] <wpostma> I believe not. It has a menu driven installer.
• 621[04:20:59] <benrob0329> Then that doesnt help me in the least
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• 623[04:21:08] <wpostma> Which creates your root image and installs your root image. Apt works AFTER you have a root image and bootable system. It can't work before that.
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• 625[04:21:20] <themill> benrob0329: you're probably better off using debootstrap and making the setup yourself.
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• 628[04:22:14] <benrob0329> themill: very well, the manual manual way it is
• 629[04:23:41] <themill> make sure you mount devices into the chroot, chroot in and install a bootloader and a kernel since debootstrap will not. (The install guide has more)
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• 659[04:37:25] <clumsy_boy> why has debian been so popular among other distros? i mean, when it started it didnt has many packackes as it does now
• 660[04:37:28] <clumsy_boy> packages*
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• 663[04:39:10] <daeng> non profit
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• 670[04:41:09] <clumsy_boy> fedora is non profit?
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• 673[04:42:13] <annadane> i mean what do you mean by "among other distros"? in any case it's more of a #debian-offtopic conversation
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• 698[04:57:24] <demo__> zoogle
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• 711[05:05:24] <Lady_Aleena> Hello everyone. How are all of you today? I am wondering how much longer I can use Jessie before apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and say something like "Are you kidding me?"
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• 715[05:08:57] <iflema> Lady_Aleena: so what 2018 for features and 2020 for security?
• 716[05:09:16] <iflema> i dont get it
• 717[05:10:29] <annadane> i think that's pretty much it; see replaced-url
• 718[05:10:52] <Lady_Aleena> It is a psychological thing. Every time I make a change to my OS, something bad happens.
• 719[05:11:40] <iflema> Lady_Aleena: 2018 for security team and until 2020 for community?
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• 721[05:11:43] <annadane> i want to say bug fixes stop in june 2018 and then the volunteer team of LTS does stuff until 2020 but i'm not sure
• 722[05:11:50] <iflema> M
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• 724[05:12:22] <Lady_Aleena> I just wish I could upgrade without the gut-wrenching fear and dread.
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• 727[05:12:42] <iflema> Lady_Aleena: do you have lots of third party repos and/or software
• 728[05:12:53] <iflema> if so you need to sort it because you added it
• 729[05:13:04] <iflema> if not i woulnd worry too much
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• 731[05:13:30] <iflema> .
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• 735[05:14:31] * iflema watch out for those trojan horses
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• 737[05:14:43] * iflema theres a few getting around...
• 738[05:14:48] <Lady_Aleena> When I upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie, the KDE KMail from Wheezy became incompatible with KDE KMail with Jessie. I lost all access to my saved email. Going from Windows XP to Debian Wheezy, I lost things too. I upgrade, I lose things no matter how backed up I have things.
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• 741[05:15:31] <iflema> kmail is really good but but so annoying
• 742[05:15:36] <iflema> so annoying
• 743[05:15:52] * annadane puts "fix the debian wiki LTS page" on my list of to-do things
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• 745[05:16:09] <demo__> backup external
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• 747[05:16:23] <Lady_Aleena> I just wish there were a safe place to put my old KMail email dir to get it sorted to a new email client format, but I know there is no such place to get things settled.
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• 750[05:17:06] <annadane> Lady_Aleena, kde is known for changes
• 751[05:17:17] <annadane> though how they are now compared to then i don't know
• 752[05:17:32] <iflema> I actully jumped away from kmail again because it was working and im worried it waill all end again... =)
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• 755[05:17:52] <iflema> not that i email much
• 756[05:17:53] <Lady_Aleena> Well, with everything I've gone through with computers, I am even phobic of rebooting.
• 757[05:17:53] <themill> kmail in jessie has no trouble with email archives form wheezy
• 758[05:18:36] <Lady_Aleena> themill, I couldn't get them to work.
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• 760[05:18:56] * themill did it on many machines with many GB of email
• 761[05:19:15] <annadane> anyway you wouldn't be the first person to complain about substantial shifts in kde fotware
• 762[05:19:22] <annadane> software
• 763[05:19:24] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, and KDE won't help me get them working because I run such an old version.
• 764[05:19:27] <themill> Filters and templates got broken but the mail was there
• 765[05:19:45] <annadane> this is why people like xfce, it's more stable
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• 767[05:19:55] <Lady_Aleena> I still have the mail dir, but it won't work anywhere.
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• 769[05:20:13] <themill> Lady_Aleena: are you going to make someone type "!doesn't work"?
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• 771[05:20:47] <Lady_Aleena> themill, I opened KMail, I tried loading the email from the directory where they were stored, nothing happens.
• 772[05:20:58] <themill> replaced-url
• 773[05:21:00] <Lady_Aleena> s/were/are/;
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• 776[05:22:25] <iflema> are you on your computer everyday? If not maybe consider looking for a desktop and apps not so fluxy. If your on it everyday and trendy (lol) you should should get a bit more current desktop/system
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• 779[05:23:19] <Gaiseric> Hello everyone! Quick question: I'm on oldstable (jessie), want to upgrade to stable... BUT I'm using tons of backported packages. Anything I should keep in mind? Any preparation necessary? Will the backported stuff automatically use stretch-backports, or will the whole system become "stable"?
• 780[05:23:32] <themill> Also, if you're the sort of person who cries when an icon changes due to an upgrade, you're not going to like KDE4→5 with Stretch. replaced-url
• 781[05:23:35] <Lady_Aleena> I am on the same computer everyday. I have only one computer.
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• 783[05:24:00] <themill> Gaiseric: backports from Debian or elsewhere?
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• 785[05:24:35] <annadane> especially because kde 5 was already out when jessie was released i think
• 786[05:24:43] <annadane> it just didn't quite make it into stretch
• 787[05:24:52] <annadane> er
• 788[05:24:56] <annadane> reverse that
• 789[05:25:13] <Gaiseric> themill: from debian
• 790[05:25:20] <annadane> it was out when jessie was released, didn't quite make it into jessie
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• 792[05:26:14] <themill> Gaiseric: all package versions in jessie-backports are less than those that are in stretch so you can upgrade from jessie+jessie-backports to stretch. (If you have jessie-backports-sloppy then you will need stretch-backports already)
• 793[05:26:26] <iflema> if you want sit in the 2000s and not trendy try slackware 14.2
• 794[05:26:42] <Gaiseric> themill: plus a few custom-built packages (with checkinstall etc.) but I assume those won't be a problem
• 795[05:26:47] <Gaiseric> themill: I see.
• 796[05:26:48] <themill> Gaiseric: Note that it's a completely untested upgrade path etc and apt may well get a little confused and need a hand.
• 797[05:26:49] <Lady_Aleena> themill, what icons? replaced-url
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• 799[05:27:39] <Gaiseric> themill: I don't even know what's jessie-backports-sloppy :P
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• 801[05:27:50] <annadane> so you take the already long cycle of stable updates of like 1 1/2-2 years and effectively double that because it barely missed inclusion into jessie
• 802[05:27:57] <annadane> not surprising it's a big update
• 803[05:28:08] <themill> Gaiseric: stuff from buster recompiled for jessie
• 804[05:28:41] <Gaiseric> Oh... no, not using that
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• 809[05:29:23] <Lady_Aleena> What version of Firefox is it where every plug-in breaks?
• 810[05:29:37] <annadane> 57, quantum
• 811[05:30:17] <Lady_Aleena> What ships with Stretch?
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• 814[05:30:52] <Gaiseric> BTW, have the Spectre mitigation patches for Firefox-ESR (v52) landed on Debian? (Jessie here)
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• 817[05:30:58] <annadane> firefox 52 ESR does
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• 819[05:31:13] <annadane> and then i think in a few months there will be an ESR of quantum
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• 824[05:32:09] <Lady_Aleena> ACK! Can't let that happen to my system. Quantum breaks too many plug-ins.
• 825[05:32:12] <Gaiseric> annadane: Will pre-quantum ESR immediately stop receiving updates when the quantum ESR lands?
• 826[05:32:54] <Gaiseric> Lady_Aleena: Same problem, too many essential extensions here, I dread upgrading to quantum :(
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• 828[05:33:11] <annadane> well, the ESR of quantum will be in backports
• 829[05:33:23] <annadane> stable won't get quantum until buster becomes stable
• 830[05:33:26] <themill> Lady_Aleena: if in another few months they're not updated to work with quantum, you probably shouldn't be running unmaintained (flake/crappy/broken/...) code
• 831[05:33:35] <themill> annadane: no, it will end up in stretch
• 832[05:33:47] <annadane> oh will it? i didn't know that
• 833[05:33:57] <Gaiseric> themill: Ouch!
• 834[05:33:59] <themill> as soon as there's a security update that can't be fixed in 52 esr
• 835[05:34:05] <annadane> ahh
• 836[05:34:05] <Gaiseric> makes sense
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• 846[05:41:29] <awal1> why should i log out and re-login in X for get my debian guest resized with its window? («--- via spice-vdagent)
• 847[05:41:38] <awal1> a bit annoying :(
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• 854[05:50:42] <benrob0329> Please tell me the livedvd doesn't log you out if you go afk
• 855[05:51:01] <benrob0329> I think that would about send me over the edge tonight
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• 862[05:55:00] <benrob0329> No, it doesnt..whew
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• 864[05:55:18] <benrob0329> Had to guess the password, that really should be somewhere obvious
• 865[05:55:48] <annadane> isn't it something really simple like "admin" for both fields, though i get your point
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• 920[06:48:54] <Lady_Aleena> themill, I just asked around, and there are no replacement add-ons. 8(
• 921[06:49:22] <Lady_Aleena> I will lose over half my add-ons with quantum. 8(
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• 925[06:51:10] <TomTheDragon> Lady_Aleena: Firefox Quantum?
• 926[06:51:36] <TomTheDragon> Lady_Aleena: I'm running Pale Moon which supports older Firefox plugins.
• 927[06:51:42] <TomTheDragon> Maybe too old though, not sure.
• 928[06:52:40] <hiexpo> hello all just did a fresh install of 9 and i am using mate and i set the terminal for transparent background but it wont change
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• 934[06:59:48] <awal1> hiexpo, check if compositing is enabled somewhere in mate system settings
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• 938[07:00:59] <hiexpo> awal1, where do i look
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• 943[07:01:52] <awal1> browse in settings manager
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• 955[07:09:01] <demo__> fac for mate
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• 967[07:16:51] <silly_boy> sample text
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• 993[07:37:41] <Lady_Aleena> So, to recap what I've been told tonight; I have until sometime in 2020 to upgrade to Stretch before I lose security updates, but only to the end of this year before I lose feature updates. I do not know how many, if any, 3rd party repos I have (I think only two). I don't have to worry about Firefox for a while yet, since Stretch still is on 52. Am I correct so far?
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• 995[07:38:12] <annadane> well, official support for jessie ends june 2018
• 996[07:38:29] <annadane> but the rest of it sounds correct
• 997[07:39:07] <Lady_Aleena> Is there an easy way to find 3rd party software?
• 998[07:39:14] <rant> last I checked (within 48hrs) all our branches have that version
• 999[07:39:30] <rant> ,v firefox-esr
• 1000[07:39:31] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.5.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.5.3esr-1
• 1001[07:39:43] <Lady_Aleena> I think the only 3rd party software I have is my terminal emulator and Discord.
• 1002[07:40:05] <Lady_Aleena> I think I got all of the rest from apt-get install.
• 1003[07:40:14] <rant> heh, you went 3rd part for a terminal emulator?
• 1004[07:40:28] <Lady_Aleena> rant, I couldn't find any other I liked.
• 1005[07:40:31] <annadane> Lady_Aleena, find 3rd party software you have installed? vrms package
• 1006[07:40:49] <annadane> assuming it's in the debian repository
• 1007[07:40:59] <annadane> s/3rd party/non free
• 1008[07:41:23] <annadane> most of it is probably 3rd party unless you're on bsd :P
• 1009[07:42:07] <rant> pretty much all the terminals satisfy my needs from aterm to mate-term, lxterm..etc
• 1010[07:42:24] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, I had to install vrms. 8)
• 1011[07:42:44] <rant> aterm has pseudo-transparency which is cool sometimes but no GUI profile editor or tabs like mate/lx
• 1012[07:42:47] <annadane> now it will complain every time you don't use "GNU/Linux" in a sentence
• 1013[07:42:50] <Lady_Aleena> rant, I couldn't find on that doesn't wrap my perl output.
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• 1015[07:42:56] <Lady_Aleena> s/on/one/;
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• 1017[07:43:16] <rant> haha
• 1018[07:43:35] <annadane> you're doing it wrong. you need sexy colours :P
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• 1020[07:43:39] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, vrms did not list either the terminal emulator or Discord.
• 1021[07:43:49] <Lady_Aleena> Who needs sexy colors?
• 1022[07:43:52] <annadane> right, assuming the software is in the debian repository
• 1023[07:43:53] <themill> Lady_Aleena: there are no jessie feature updates already. Packages (probably including web browsers) will lose security support sooner.
• 1024[07:44:00] <themill> (and vrms is junk)
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• 1028[07:44:06] <annadane> if it's just a tar.gz or something then no vrms won't list it
• 1029[07:45:23] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, both programs had .deb files that I installed from.
• 1030[07:45:27] <rant> I'm still torn on term colors.. on this machine I got the darkish blue-gray bg with cream color text which is very readable, and on the other I got a pale pink bg with a grayish maroon text which is also really readable
• 1031[07:45:40] <annadane> then they won't be listed
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• 1033[07:46:06] <Lady_Aleena> org.jessies.terminator_27.9.6921_amd64.deb and discord-0.0.4.deb
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• 1054[07:53:27] <Lady_Aleena> Do I have to worry about Jessie's Terminator and Discord while upgrading to Stretch?
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• 1056[07:53:52] <themill> You'd have to ask the people you got them from
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• 1058[07:54:25] <Lady_Aleena> And here is the output from vrms: replaced-url
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• 1060[07:54:54] <annadane> i guess the closest thing for .deb files is replaced-url
• 1061[07:55:25] <themill> "aptitude search ~o"
• 1062[07:55:39] <annadane> i'd probably just remove them, write down where they came from, and reinstall them later on stretch (except i avoid installing .deb files directly but i guess ultimately that's your choice...)
• 1063[07:56:13] <Lady_Aleena> themill, sudo or no sudo?
• 1064[07:56:30] <themill> 'search' doesn't require any privileges
• 1065[07:56:31] <annadane> no sudo for that
• 1066[07:57:03] <darxmurf> morning
• 1067[07:57:39] <annadane> i mean i use discord but i use it as a tar.gz so it doesn't gain privileged access to my system
• 1068[07:58:11] <Lady_Aleena> I just followed the directions on the Discord website.
• 1069[07:58:17] <annadane> websites will do that
• 1070[07:58:20] <annadane> but whatever
• 1071[07:58:23] <annadane> i'm not here to lecture you
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• 1075[08:00:47] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, yeah, there's the software that I installed to see if I could get a printer to print, but that failed. I probably need to plug the printer into the computer and never try wireless again.
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• 1077[08:02:01] <Lady_Aleena> Results of aptitude search ~o: replaced-url
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• 1079[08:02:54] <Lady_Aleena> themill, at first I couldn't tell the character before the o was a tilde.
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• 1088[08:06:26] <midhun> why am i getting this error ? " Debian packaging “ block lacks the 'Package' field” in control file "
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• 1091[08:06:39] <annadane> !context
• 1092[08:06:40] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on replaced-url
• 1093[08:06:47] <midhun> replaced-url
• 1094[08:07:37] <themill> Lady_Aleena: sounds like you should look for a better font while you're at it
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• 1099[08:10:11] <Lady_Aleena> themill, why better font?
• 1100[08:10:23] <Lady_Aleena> Oh!
• 1101[08:10:52] <Lady_Aleena> I'm using Courier 10 pitch 10 in hexchat.
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• 1103[08:11:10] <Lady_Aleena> What do you use?
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• 1105[08:11:43] <GNU\colossus> I use Terminus
• 1106[08:11:47] <annadane> gentium basic 16
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• 1108[08:11:53] <GNU\colossus> it's a very readable fixed width-font
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• 1110[08:12:17] <GNU\colossus> -> replaced-url
• 1111[08:12:18] <Lady_Aleena> I don't have either of those.
• 1112[08:12:18] <themill> midhun: you're missing a space after Description: (your description is also pretty crap) but I wouldn't expect either of those to cause this error
• 1113[08:12:26] <awal1> +1 for fonts-roboto
• 1114[08:12:41] <awal1> ,v fonts-roboto
• 1115[08:12:42] <judd> Package: fonts-roboto on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1:4.3-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.4.4r2-6; buster: 2:0~20160106-2; sid: 2:0~20160106-2; stretch: 2:0~20160106-2
• 1116[08:12:53] <GNU\colossus> ,v xfonts-terminus
• 1117[08:12:54] <judd> Package: xfonts-terminus on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.35-1; jessie: 4.39-1; buster: 4.40-2; sid: 4.40-2; stretch: 4.40-2
• 1118[08:13:17] <awal1> fonts-roboto are the most nice I have personally found
• 1119[08:13:20] <nix64bit> whats the status for debian with mysql/postgres? I sense mysql/mariadb has fallen by the way?
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• 1121[08:13:31] <annadane> mariadb is a fork of mysql
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• 1123[08:14:04] <Lady_Aleena> Any other font packages I should get?
• 1124[08:14:17] <Lady_Aleena> I have fonts-terminus and fonts-roboto.
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• 1126[08:14:33] <midhun> yes themis i added a space and tried buildpackage
• 1127[08:14:43] <annadane> don't start font wars :P
• 1128[08:15:01] <midhun> <themis> still it is showing the same error
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• 1133[08:15:28] <nix64bit> I am looking for information to advice people
• 1134[08:15:35] <Lady_Aleena> GNU\colossus, E: Unable to locate package fonts-terminus
• 1135[08:15:39] <nix64bit> not to upset anyone
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• 1137[08:15:42] <awal1> Lady_Aleena, I like fonts-roboto and fonts-dejavu . they work good for me
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• 1140[08:15:59] <GNU\colossus> Lady_Aleena, I believe it's xfonts-terminus
• 1141[08:16:04] <annadane> nix64bit, if you mean me i was responding to Lady_Aleena and i was also just joking
• 1142[08:16:08] <GNU\colossus> (not on Debian at this very moment)
• 1143[08:16:10] <awal1> not only well polished, but they are also compatible with non latin stuff
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• 1145[08:16:28] <nix64bit> annadane: i saw that too late
• 1146[08:16:31] <nix64bit> :)
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• 1150[08:17:50] <Lady_Aleena> I have to close HexChat for it to pick up the new fonts? *head desk*
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• 1153[08:18:10] <GNU\colossus> Lady_Aleena, yes, it only enumerates available fonts on startup or something
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• 1159[08:19:47] <Lady_Aleena> Um, terminus looks bad on my monitor.
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• 1163[08:21:44] <Lady_Aleena> I'll try plain ordinary monospace for a while. It will take me time to get used to it, but I can not tell and l from a 1.
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• 1166[08:25:16] <Haohmaru> "Fixed" 8 is excelent
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• 1170[08:26:07] <Haohmaru> i don't know why raster fonts are disabled by default
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• 1179[08:30:39] <blackslide> Hi, just wondering why debian stable doesn't treat SSD's properly by default?
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• 1182[08:30:58] <blackslide> Meaning, fstrim -a in cron.weekly, and noatime in fstab...
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• 1186[08:31:20] <eck> lol
• 1187[08:31:33] <blackslide> which are there by default on many other systems..
• 1188[08:31:54] <eck> go ask dennis ritchie why atime is the default behavior
• 1189[08:32:02] <eck> that ship has sailed
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• 1195[08:34:00] <blackslide> I just wonder, how much of "wear and tear" will relatime do?
• 1196[08:34:15] <blackslide> I assume that's the default since kernel 2.something
• 1197[08:34:33] <jim> blackslide, but... you can edit those...
• 1198[08:34:35] <blackslide> I mean relatime vs noatime. Are there really that many writes to disc
• 1199[08:34:48] <blackslide> to cause even the remotest alarm?
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• 1201[08:35:26] <blackslide> I'm just thinking debian installer might be able to do crucial SSD optimization automagically when it detects an ssd
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• 1203[08:35:53] <eck> the atime thing isn't really related to SSD drives, in fact it's worse on spinning disks
• 1204[08:36:06] <blackslide> But I assume there's hasn't been any issues with SSDs at least up tp this point to grant any action?
• 1205[08:36:16] <eck> apparently not
• 1206[08:36:20] <jim> blackslide, when you say "debian stable" doesn't treat ssds properly, which part of debian are you actually referring to?
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• 1208[08:36:37] <blackslide> eck, SSD's have a limited amount of write cycles, so writing something every time something is read, is bad
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• 1211[08:36:54] <eck> the extra writes caused by atime are not enough to wear out your ssd
• 1212[08:36:56] <blackslide> I'm referring to the installer not optimizing for SSD wear and tear
• 1213[08:36:57] <Haohmaru> therefore SSDs are bad
• 1214[08:37:00] <eck> i believe it only has 1s granularity anyway
• 1215[08:37:46] <eck> if atime caused SSDs to fail then SSD drives would be too unreliable to use for anything anyway
• 1216[08:38:48] <eck> anyway if you want to have a real conversation about this, you should probably email debian-devel
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• 1218[08:38:59] <eck> or try the debian channels on oftc
• 1219[08:39:08] <jim> blackslide, oh, the installer... ok. so would you put these options in fstab for all disk types? if "no, just SSDs", then by what mechanism would the installer know a disk is an ssd?
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• 1223[08:39:43] <Haohmaru> libcrystalball
• 1224[08:39:48] <eck> jim: the kernel can detect ssds already
• 1225[08:39:48] <dexta> gm
• 1226[08:39:54] <eck> that's how it knows what options the drive supports
• 1227[08:40:18] <eck> if you have a really old drive or whacky interface it may not detect those, but it's probably pretty accurate
• 1228[08:40:36] <jim> ok, so then the installer could add that stuff to fstab (and elsewhere)
• 1229[08:40:44] <eck> in theory yeah
• 1230[08:40:53] <seefood> hey guys! I upgraded my kernel but /boot/config-4.9.0-5-686-pae has no CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION, is that a bug?
• 1231[08:41:02] <blackslide> At least mint and ubuntu do this by default
• 1232[08:41:13] <towo^work> seefood, no, is not
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• 1235[08:42:06] <towo^work> PTI depends on x86_64, which does not fit in a 32bit kernel
• 1236[08:42:48] <Haohmaru> no meltdown fix for 32bit?
• 1237[08:43:01] <seefood> towo^work: WOAH! so 32 bit OS are safe from meltdown either way? first I've heard of it. Spectre too?
• 1238[08:43:16] <eck> how old even is your computer if you're using a 32 bit kernel
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• 1240[08:43:35] <GNU\colossus> why would anyone be using a 32bit kernel nowadays?
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• 1242[08:43:47] <Haohmaru> old processor
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• 1244[08:43:55] <GNU\colossus> Intel Core?
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• 1246[08:44:00] <Haohmaru> nope
• 1247[08:44:00] <towo^work> seefood, no, but 32bit cpus maybe do not have the meltdown bug
• 1248[08:44:01] <eck> it would have to be like 15 years old at this point
• 1249[08:44:06] <seefood> eck: it's an 11YO CPU (That may not even be vulnerable, Xeon 5310), but the system was installed circa 1999 and upgraded ever since)
• 1250[08:44:22] <blackslide> I was rather wondering if there was a specific reason for not doing any optimization for SSD. it does sector/cylinder size and partitions accordingly (tho I'm not sure if this is true with all hdd/ssd types anyways)
• 1251[08:44:36] <eck> wild
• 1252[08:44:49] <eck> blackslide: you're much more likely to get an answer on the debian-devel email list
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• 1254[08:45:34] <eck> there's probably only a handful of developers in the debian project who know the rationale for the current disk settings in the installer, and they're unlikely to be paying attention to #debian at this moment
• 1255[08:46:22] <blackslide> hehe, I was just thinking if there was some general consensus among deb supporters why we do A when others do B, on the SSD thingie..
• 1256[08:46:23] <Haohmaru> how do i check the processor from terminal?
• 1257[08:46:43] <blackslide> I'd assume if it's a XEON it's affected
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• 1259[08:46:50] <eck> Haohmaru: /proc/cpuinfo
• 1260[08:47:26] <Haohmaru> Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
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• 1263[08:47:40] <blackslide> Afterall, they've had all the bells and whistles, Speculative excecution
• 1264[08:47:54] <blackslide> would be quite surely on the list..
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• 1268[08:48:46] <Haohmaru> "address size: 32bits" <- that means it's 32bit?
• 1269[08:48:57] <eck> yes
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• 1272[08:49:02] <eck> atom cpus were all 32-bit until quite recently
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• 1277[08:50:34] <seefood> Haohmaru: found no N270 on the list, odd! replaced-url
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• 1280[08:51:34] <blackslide> Atoms apparently jumped to 64bit around 2013
• 1281[08:51:47] <seefood> Haohmaru: eck: well, my CPU is not on that list, I hope it means I'm safe then. still need to patch for my desktop and laptop.
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• 1283[08:52:12] <blackslide> at least some of the articles on Meltdown/Spectre say that Intel Atom up until 2013 are not vulnerable
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• 1287[08:52:38] <blackslide> Also Itanium is not affected apparently
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• 1290[08:54:03] <seefood> Got a silly question then! If the hardware is not vulnerable in 32bit mode, downgrading the OS to 32 bits will keep the machine safe without the KPTI load hit for low-RAM machines, won't it?
• 1291[08:55:18] <seefood> blackslide: Itanium had no out-of-order execution and very primitive speculation IIRC.
• 1292[08:56:32] <blackslide> apparently so
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• 1295[08:57:21] <blackslide> Since were in kernel 4.x I'd prolly be having best of both worlds by using lazytime instead of noatime...
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• 1298[08:58:21] <OtakuSenpai> if i want to format the usb which is /dev/sdb using fdisk, is this the command?
• 1299[08:58:24] <OtakuSenpai> fdisk -W /dev/sdb
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• 1303[08:58:42] <OtakuSenpai> or is -W for partitions like /dev/sdb1
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• 1308[08:59:24] <towo^work> no one was saying, vulnerable hardware is safe in 32bit mode
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• 1313[08:59:45] <blackslide> also, since the installer insisted on a swap partition, I created it, but have deemed it totally unneccessary for my use case. But removing it has proven to be not so straightforward..
• 1314[08:59:46] <OtakuSenpai> can anyone tell me?
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• 1328[09:02:09] <blackslide> I don't remember using the -W option..
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• 1331[09:03:27] <OtakuSenpai> can anyone help me wipe a read only filesystem?
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• 1335[09:04:46] <blackslide> so you've tried mkdosfs and it says read-only?
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• 1347[09:09:39] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, is that a portable hdd which you try to access?
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• 1371[09:19:27] <OtakuSenpai> hello can anyone help me recover my read only usb stick?
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• 1375[09:20:11] <OtakuSenpai> im pasting the dmesg output
• 1376[09:20:18] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
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• 1389[09:27:59] <OtakuSenpai> i cant use testdisk and e2fsck gives this error
• 1390[09:28:06] <seefood> OtakuSenpai: if it's read-only, read it and save to a R/W device, what's the problem?
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• 1392[09:28:39] <OtakuSenpai> seefood: i dont need the data, i need the device
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• 1394[09:28:47] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
• 1395[09:28:53] <OtakuSenpai> anyone can help me?
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• 1399[09:29:09] <cheapie> Throw the drive out and buy a new one. It's done.
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• 1402[09:29:52] <seefood> OtakuSenpai: fdisk won't repartition the thing? mkfs.ext4 won't format it?
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• 1405[09:30:07] <OtakuSenpai> yes
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• 1410[09:30:58] <seefood> OtakuSenpai: then it's toast. aliexpress.com, find something that has a lot of good feedback from a seller of good standing. good luck :-)
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• 1413[09:32:13] <cheapie> Seems like every day someone shows up with a flash drive that's gone read-only. The only time they ever do that, unless someone was messing with stuff they shouldn't have been, is if the flash has reached end-of-life and the controller switched to read-only so that you can get your data off and go buy a new drive.
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• 1424[09:36:33] <plant-man> I have had hard drive volumes go read-only, for no reason. It happens in Linux.
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• 1427[09:37:26] <cheapie> plant-man: It's one thing if the filesystem decides to remount read-only ("errors=remount-ro"), but OtakuSenpai's problem was an entire drive that went read-only.
• 1428[09:37:45] <cheapie> As in, the issue is not that the OS won't let them write to it, but rather that the drive will not accept wirtes.
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• 1430[09:37:47] <cheapie> writes*
• 1431[09:38:29] <plant-man> cheapie: o, i understand now.
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• 1463[09:52:15] <OtakuSenpai> can someone give me a free win7 product key :3
• 1464[09:52:40] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, ask in #windows
• 1465[09:52:42] <aaap> :D
• 1466[09:52:46] <OtakuSenpai> oh
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• 1468[09:52:59] <OtakuSenpai> i thought i was in windows
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• 1472[09:53:31] <cheapie> OtakuSenpai: Win7 will install without a product key, just click "skip" when it asks. As far as activation goes, you're on your own there...
• 1473[09:53:55] <OtakuSenpai> i hav a x64 version of it
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• 1476[09:54:32] <OtakuSenpai> n i dont hav enough space on my laptop, so thinking of installing on my core2duo machine
• 1477[09:54:37] <cheapie> There are some great tools to take care of the activation part, but you're not going to find any of them here, nor will I direct you to where you can find them.
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• 1479[09:55:28] <kopper> I'm not giving advises on pirating OS, but on a side-note those activators are very likely to have something else included in them.
• 1480[09:55:48] <kopper> If you care about security at all
• 1481[09:55:55] <kopper> Just buy a copy
• 1482[09:56:04] <OtakuSenpai> windows and security? in what world?
• 1483[09:56:37] <kopper> That's kinda naive
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• 1502[10:03:20] <rant> was fglrx removed? I am not getting any hits in my package cache and I have contrib non-free as well
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• 1506[10:04:32] <kopper> rant: Iirc a chat from couple of days ago, that indeed is the case
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• 1512[10:05:37] <rant> hmm.. oh well.. heh. I guess I either gotta go upstream or find something else
• 1513[10:05:49] <jelly> ,bug rm fglrx
• 1514[10:05:52] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
• 1515[10:05:58] <jelly> ,v fglrx
• 1516[10:06:00] <judd> No package named 'fglrx' was found in amd64.
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• 1518[10:06:25] <shtrb> rant , radeon or build it yourself
• 1519[10:06:34] <jelly> ,v fglrx-driver
• 1520[10:06:35] <rant> my graphics work and I dont really need 3d I mostly just wanted the catalyst control center.. something I could use to adjust brightness/contrast and such
• 1521[10:06:35] <judd> Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2; jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+4
• 1522[10:06:44] <jelly> ,bug rm fglrx-driver
• 1523[10:06:47] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1524[10:06:53] <jelly> there you go
• 1525[10:06:57] <shtrb> rant , radeon support brightness for the 200M
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• 1527[10:07:23] <shtrb> I think amdgpu does not support old cards
• 1528[10:07:25] <rant> yeah I already gathered that much gooling that the driver lacked EGL support and such
• 1529[10:07:42] <shtrb> I was using radeon , so if you are with 200M you should be safe
• 1530[10:07:50] <rant> this is a very old card I'd say.. its an old ibm thinkpad
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• 1532[10:08:16] <rant> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV350/M10 GL [Mobility FireGL T2] [1002:4e54] (rev 80)
• 1533[10:08:17] <shtrb> That is why I said amdgpu had issues with it
• 1534[10:08:27] <shtrb> Your card was newer than mine
• 1535[10:08:45] <shtrb> Check the opensource driver
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• 1538[10:09:31] <towo^work> rant, install firmware-amd-graphics, after that radeon driver should work well
• 1539[10:10:18] <rant> I dont care if the driver works or not.. I have graphics now.. as I said my main concern is a better control of it
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• 1542[10:10:38] <rant> things like nvidia-settings offer full control of the graphics
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• 1544[10:10:56] <shtrb> rant, the opensource driver has brightness control
• 1545[10:11:09] <iodot> what would be the sane way to obtain libssl1.0.0. its needed for a program that still depends on it.
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• 1555[10:17:10] <deltam> hi, which package do I need to install to avoid "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files" ?
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• 1563[10:21:42] <deltam> maybe at-spi2-core, i will try that
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• 1572[10:24:46] <deltam> yeah, that is the one
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• 1583[10:29:07] <agatineau> iodot, libssl1.0.0 wil not conflict with newer version. So i'd say find a proper repo providing it (be sure it's legit) and install it :-)
• 1584[10:29:13] <silly_boy> i want to die
• 1585[10:31:15] <darxmurf> well, it's not always the best solution mate
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• 1589[10:33:02] <somiaj> iodot: install libssl1.0.2 and make a link from the 1.0.0 version of the libary to the 1.0.2 version, it is compadable with most programs (except those that explicity look for the 1.0.0 flag in the version string)
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• 1598[10:36:54] <silly_boy> darxmurf is it
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• 1601[10:37:18] <darxmurf> think about it again
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• 1604[10:38:00] <jelly> clumsy_boy / silly_boy : do you have a debian tech support question?
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• 1607[10:41:25] <silly_boy> jelly, yeah, i get some error logs at boot, i've tried to look up some info on google but i could not find anything that relates to my case; example: [ 8.580620] sp5100_tco: I/O address 0x0cd6 already in use
• 1608[10:41:26] <silly_boy>
• 1609[10:41:34] <noocx> ntfsresize v2016.2.22AR.1 (libntfs-3g)
• 1610[10:41:34] <noocx> ERROR: Volume is scheduled for check.
• 1611[10:41:35] <noocx> Run chkdsk /f and please try again, or see option -f.
• 1612[10:41:42] <noocx> whats should i use for ntfs check?
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• 1615[10:41:57] <darxmurf> windows...
• 1616[10:42:04] <noocx> deleted it:D
• 1617[10:42:17] <noocx> so i need a debian command:)
• 1618[10:42:27] <darxmurf> why do you keep a NTFS volume then :-x
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• 1621[10:42:49] <noocx> ..:D
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• 1623[10:42:54] <noocx> im deleting it too
• 1624[10:42:58] <noocx> but first need to move data
• 1625[10:43:07] <noocx> to be able to move data i wwant to swap to ext4
• 1626[10:43:10] <noocx> with ntfsresize
• 1627[10:43:14] <darxmurf> hm
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• 1629[10:43:18] <noocx> resizing the partition in 2 steps
• 1630[10:43:21] <noocx> first is done
• 1631[10:43:29] <noocx> now i need more space to be able to copy my data
• 1632[10:43:40] <noocx> but cant do the second resize cause it need to be checked
• 1633[10:43:41] <noocx> clear?:)
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• 1635[10:44:07] <darxmurf> ntfsfix
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• 1638[10:45:01] <somiaj> in genenral it is suggeted to use windows tools to preform checks on ntfs file systems. The tools in linux are very limited.
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• 1640[10:45:19] <noocx> darxmurf: thanks
• 1641[10:45:21] <somiaj> you may want to find another place to move the data tha tdonest' involve resizing the partition.
• 1642[10:45:48] <darxmurf> true
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• 1655[10:49:11] <noocx> ntfsfix run but ntfsresize still cries
• 1656[10:49:20] <Iridos> this cpu microcode that will be updated because of the meltdown/spectre thing… how does that even work? There is some writable memory on the CPU?
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• 1658[10:49:57] <Iridos> And how will the update for that happen under linux?
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• 1660[10:50:45] <__marco> Hello. I cannot use thunderbird with enigmail. The problem seems to be gpg-agent and the pinentry program
• 1661[10:50:52] <themill> ,i intel-microcode
• 1662[10:50:53] <judd> Package intel-microcode (non-free/admin, extra) in stretch/amd64: Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs. Version: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; Size: 974.4k; Installed: 1172k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1663[10:50:55] <themill> Iridos: ^^
• 1664[10:51:05] <__marco> pinentry[4063]: Remote error from secret service: o
• 1665[10:51:05] <__marco> rg.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files
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• 1667[10:51:14] <__marco> gpg-agent[2390]: Failed to lookup password for key
• 1668[10:51:14] <__marco> n/60B34B29F5C651A448CD66040228CFD5416F1B09 with secret service: The name org.fre
• 1669[10:51:14] <__marco> edesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files
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• 1673[10:51:35] <noocx> :D
• 1674[10:51:35] <Iridos> themill, hm, interesting, thanks
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• 1677[10:52:12] <noocx> __marco: maybe use some pasting site
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• 1679[10:52:14] <__marco> Do you have any clue? What should I install to provide the org.freedesktop.secrets service?
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• 1682[10:52:31] <Iridos> I don't have that installed
• 1683[10:52:50] <noocx> replaced-url
• 1684[10:52:56] <Iridos> and it's from Nov 2017
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• 1687[10:53:50] <__marco> noocx: I found that answer too, but I don't use KDE neither GNOME
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• 1690[10:54:51] <themill> __marco: you might want to install and select a different pinentry tool. aptitude search ~npinentry
• 1691[10:54:54] <__marco> I would avoid to install all GNOME only for the keyring
• 1692[10:55:04] <noocx> +1
• 1693[10:55:07] <somiaj> Iridos: it is a package from non-free, and that is the package debian will use to provide the updated microcode.
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• 1695[10:56:19] <__marco> themill: I try with the qt version
• 1696[10:56:37] <__marco> I am using pinentry-gtk2
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• 1699[10:58:41] <themill> I'd have expected the gtk2 version to work without the rest of gnome
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• 1704[11:00:10] <__marco> themill: I am pretty sure I used enigmail before, in this very same system. Maybe a bug introduced with an update
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• 1711[11:04:06] <pdobrogost> Hi all! I'm trying to make a deb package following 5 simple instructions at replaced-url
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• 1714[11:04:45] <themill> !packaging tutorial
• 1715[11:04:45] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
• 1716[11:05:10] <themill> How easy it is to make a package depends entirely on how well behaved the upstream developers are
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• 1718[11:05:39] <__marco> themill: side question, if you don't mind. I used to have a frankdebian. How can I see the list of installed packages that are not in stable?
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• 1720[11:06:04] <themill> !which repo
• 1721[11:06:04] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have come from, try replaced-url
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• 1723[11:06:14] <pdobrogost> I am the upstream developer. I just need to package some files and mark some of them as configuration the same way I do it with rpm. However I can't find any good documentation on this.
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• 1728[11:08:47] <__marco> themill: I tried to lunch gpg from the command line and the pinentry had no problem. The problem comes somehow from enigmail and/or thunderbird
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• 1730[11:09:03] <__marco> themill: and thanks for your answers
• 1731[11:09:27] <themill> __marco: which release of debian?
• 1732[11:09:39] <__marco> themill: stretch
• 1733[11:09:54] <themill> __marco: stretch kernel or backports or ?
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• 1736[11:11:49] <Iridos> what about apt-show-versions … that's not in that list
• 1737[11:11:59] <__marco> themill: stable was the base, then I added once unstable to install firefox. Actually the base system was jessie, then jessie+sid, then I upgraded to stretch
• 1738[11:12:49] <Iridos> sounds like all you need now are some packages from potato ^^
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• 1740[11:13:27] <themill> Iridos: unless apt-show-versions has improved, it will misreport packages that have the same version in multiple releases
• 1741[11:13:43] <__marco> Iridos: My very first Debian was woody. In that times potato was already old
• 1742[11:13:56] <Iridos> hm, I may remember it doing that
• 1743[11:14:06] * themill tests
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• 1745[11:14:30] <__marco> It seems that all my packages comes from the stable repositories
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• 1747[11:15:35] <Iridos> themill, mmh. apt-show-versions is just a bunch of perl. It's a bit poor if thta does less well than a bash oneliner
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• 1749[11:16:15] <themill> it seems better now
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• 1756[11:18:31] <__marco> this is what enigmail reports: replaced-url
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• 1784[11:39:47] <pdobrogost> themill: Do you know why simple instructions at replaced-url
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• 1794[11:47:02] <noocx> ok ntfsresite -f solve the check issue
• 1795[11:47:08] <noocx> ntfsresize*
• 1796[11:47:13] <noocx> solved*
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• 1801[11:48:48] <noocx> pdobrogost: its an article from 2011
• 1802[11:49:21] <pdobrogost> noocx: And debian is from 1993 so what? :)
• 1803[11:49:32] <noocx> lol
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• 1805[11:49:42] <noocx> but get updated actively..:D
• 1806[11:49:55] <noocx> replaced-url
• 1807[11:50:05] <pdobrogost> I do, I'm on latest Fedora, always :)
• 1808[11:50:14] <iodot> somiaj: that my problem, the problem does look for the specific version string.
• 1809[11:50:28] <iodot> program*
• 1810[11:50:41] <noocx> always try to find your answer in the real documentation first:)
• 1811[11:50:49] <pdobrogost> Instead of using dpkg-deb --build <dirname> I was using dpkg-buildpackage -b and that's why it didn't work.
• 1812[11:51:20] <pdobrogost> Why it didn't fail but was creating empty package is beyond me however…
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• 1815[11:52:26] <somiaj> iodot: there are older packages that might work in that case, the one from jessie should isntall.
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• 1819[11:53:46] <noocx> replaced-url
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• 1840[12:03:01] <the_doc> hi all
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• 1842[12:03:59] <the_doc> which software I need to install on Debian 9 to access a mate desktop from remote locations ? (existing sessions)
• 1843[12:04:26] <the_doc> Trying some xrdp guides but not working
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• 1845[12:05:16] <somiaj> do you want to access the desktop or just run gui apps on a remote machine?
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• 1848[12:07:18] <the_doc> access the desktop (already logged on the physical machine)
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• 1867[12:17:37] <somiaj> the_doc: I belive xrdp is the way to go, but don't know any details. optinally you could use a vncserver.
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• 1870[12:20:21] <the_doc> OK I just undertood that the client (remmina) was the trouble , I'm trying now with rdesktop and at least I'm able to open a new session ! Trying now to connect to the existing one
• 1871[12:20:35] <the_doc> Thanks anyway !
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• 1905[12:45:15] <jhonnyBeGood> I guys... I am running Jessie and trying to install the 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 package that was released to mitigate meltdown . I can not find this package
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• 1923[12:57:13] <kschlesselmann> Hi guys! I'd like to create a vagrant box from a debian snapshot (replaced-url
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• 1945[13:11:01] <jelly> kschlesselmann: take a look at vmdb2 or vmdebootstrap
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• 1952[13:11:53] <themill> You've probably got to teach them how to deal with expired keys
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• 1955[13:13:05] <noocx> which is a good program to expand ext4 partition?
• 1956[13:13:40] <noocx> resize4fs?
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• 1965[13:14:42] <noocx> resize2fs
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• 1988[13:25:37] <jelly> noocx: resize2fs expands the filesystem, but you need to expand the block device (partition, or whatever) before that. You cna use parted to do both at the same time, with some caveats
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• 1994[13:27:14] <noocx> jelly: what caveats?
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• 1996[13:27:39] <noocx> or fdisk + resize2fs?
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• 2004[13:29:32] <jelly> noocx: the usual one is linux kernel often does not want to see new partition size if ANY partition on that disk is in use; eg. if you only have one disk, you probably need to do resizing from a livecd
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• 2006[13:30:00] <noocx> its on unmounted disk
• 2007[13:30:09] <noocx> a separate one from my linux
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• 2009[13:30:11] <eck> can i force apt-get to use a particular mirror via the command line?
• 2010[13:30:26] <noocx> but with 3 partitions at the moment
• 2011[13:30:30] <eck> the one it keeps sending me to is flaking out
• 2012[13:30:36] <jelly> eck: configure only this mirror in sources.list?
• 2013[13:30:47] <lng> Hi! I have `dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of pandorafms-server: ***` and then I run `apt install -f` to install dependencies, but it prompts to uninstall pandorafms-server instead. Why?
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• 2017[13:31:21] <jelly> noocx: if they're all umounted resizing the partition (with fdisk or sfdisk or parted or whatever) might work without a reboot.
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• 2019[13:31:58] <jelly> lng: usually because it cannot find the dependencies required to install that package
• 2020[13:32:06] <jelly> !bat
• 2021[13:32:06] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2022[13:32:10] <jelly> lng: ^^
• 2023[13:32:13] <noocx> jelly: ok thanks
• 2024[13:32:46] <eck> that works, not super elegant but it'll do
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• 2035[13:37:54] <lng> jelly: k mmt tnx
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• 2039[13:38:27] <Strider_Soul> hi
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• 2041[13:40:19] <noocx> partiotion expanding with fdisk works too if i change its starting sector?
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• 2043[13:41:22] <lng> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2045[13:43:26] <lng> libjson-perl is present, for example
• 2046[13:44:29] <jelly> lng: can you show output of commands for step 2 and step 3?
• 2047[13:45:22] <lng> jelly: pls define step 2,3
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• 2049[13:45:53] <lng> jelly: apt-get -f install output is in the paste
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• 2053[13:47:25] <themill> lng: what dpkg asked for
• 2054[13:47:45] <noocx> libdbi-perl
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• 2057[13:48:25] <lng> ah sorry
• 2058[13:48:31] <noocx> what debian is this?
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• 2061[13:49:31] <lng> Debian GNU/Linux 9
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• 2063[13:49:50] <noocx> and whats your problem?
• 2064[13:50:09] <lng> broken packages
• 2065[13:50:22] <noocx> cause you dont have the dependency?
• 2066[13:50:29] <noocx> dependencies installed?
• 2067[13:50:32] <lng> apt-cache policy pandorafms.server_7.0NG.717.deb
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• 2069[13:50:47] <lng> noocx: replaced-url
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• 2071[13:51:14] <jelly> lng: apt-cache policy package names of RACH package in the output (yes all those perl module package names)
• 2072[13:51:18] <jelly> EACH*
• 2073[13:51:35] <lng> jelly: got it
• 2074[13:51:37] <jelly> and including pandorafms.server
• 2075[13:51:53] <jelly> and for step 3 just "apt-cache policy" without any other params
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• 2077[13:52:23] <jelly> maybe your package is tested only for debian 8 not debian 9?
• 2078[13:52:37] <noocx> jelly: can you tell me if expanding with fdisk works too if i change the starting sector?
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• 2080[13:52:47] <lng> jelly: replaced-url
• 2081[13:53:15] <jelly> noocx: do NOT change the starting sector
• 2082[13:53:30] <noocx> but ive got the space there:D what should i do then?
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• 2085[13:54:14] <jelly> noocx: use a better tool, maybe gparted live iso, and verify your backups work before moving data around
• 2086[13:54:51] <noocx> ok thanks
• 2087[13:55:05] <jelly> lng: hum, that still does not have any apt-cache policy ... stuff?
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• 2089[13:55:57] <lng> jelly: replaced-url
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• 2093[13:57:42] <jelly> ,v xprobe2
• 2094[13:57:43] <judd> No package named 'xprobe2' was found in amd64.
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• 2096[13:58:18] <jelly> lng: now check all the dependencies with no Candidate version available, like xprobe2
• 2097[13:58:23] <themill> ,v xprobe
• 2098[13:58:24] <judd> Package: xprobe on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3-1.1; wheezy: 0.3-1.1; buster: 0.3-3; sid: 0.3-3; stretch: 0.3-3
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• 2100[13:58:49] <lng> I see
• 2101[13:58:52] <lng> Thanks
• 2102[13:58:56] <jelly> cursed Provides
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• 2104[13:59:10] <jelly> you'll need contrib for snmp-blahblah-downloader
• 2105[13:59:15] <jelly> !contrib
• 2106[13:59:16] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
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• 2108[13:59:33] <jelly> ,v snmp-mibs-downloader
• 2109[13:59:34] <judd> Package: snmp-mibs-downloader on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 1.1; wheezy/non-free: 1.1; buster/non-free: 1.1+nmu1; sid/non-free: 1.1+nmu1; stretch/non-free: 1.1+nmu1
• 2110[13:59:39] <jelly> worse, non-free
• 2111[13:59:43] <nwe> I have setup bond0 and my bond0 is in my bridge br0, the problem I have now is that br0 doesnt get any dhcp.. any idea?
• 2112[13:59:48] <jelly> !non-free sources
• 2113[13:59:48] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
• 2114[14:00:12] <lng> cool
• 2115[14:00:22] <lng> doing it
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• 2117[14:01:03] <__marco> themill: Just for the record. I solved the problem with enigmail. It was gpg indeed. Apprentry enigmail tried to encrypt the email with an old key of mine that was not present in the keyring
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• 2119[14:01:24] <__marco> themill: Why, this is a good question
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• 2121[14:02:14] <themill> fun
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• 2124[14:03:05] <jelly> oh, snmp-mibs-downloader is not just a downloader, it actually contains a bunch of RFCs
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• 2128[14:03:51] <jelly> dpkg: boggle my mind
• 2129[14:03:51] <dpkg> jelly: wish i knew
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• 2131[14:05:02] <lng> jelly: thanks a lot. got it installed
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• 2134[14:06:17] <adac> hi there. is .ssh/authorized_keys2 still working in stretch? Would need it for a quick fix
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• 2137[14:08:01] <gpunk> you want someone's .ssh/authorized_keys2 ?
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• 2140[14:10:16] <iodot> somiaj: pulling from jessie did it. thanks.
• 2141[14:10:31] <themill> adac: yes
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• 2143[14:11:06] <adac> themill, thanks! Need to bring up my rescue system and will put some keys in there for now
• 2144[14:11:45] <themill> (but you should be using .ssh/authorized_keys instead)
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• 2151[14:14:47] <noocx> see you
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• 2154[14:20:53] <NetTerminalGene> wheezy gets meltdown and specre updates?
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• 2159[14:22:32] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: wheezy LTS is EOLed in May anyway
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• 2161[14:22:43] <jelly> this year.
• 2162[14:23:00] <jelly> you should be testing upgrade paths already
• 2163[14:23:26] <NetTerminalGene> i see
• 2164[14:23:26] <jelly> wc -l outdated.2018-05.Deb7.txt
• 2165[14:23:26] <jelly> 54 outdated.2018-05.Deb7.txt
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• 2172[14:24:41] <jelly> I... won't paste the number of OLDER releases we have running.
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• 2174[14:24:53] <s0nou572> name
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• 2176[14:25:29] <s0nou572> hi,
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• 2178[14:25:44] <s0nou572> Jan 15 14:19:18 debian-genuis kernel: [ 403.492308] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: device [8086:9d15] error status/mask=00000001/00002000
• 2179[14:25:44] <s0nou572> Jan 15 14:19:18 debian-genuis kernel: [ 403.492312] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: [ 0] Receiver Error (First)
• 2180[14:25:44] <s0nou572> Jan 15 14:19:18 debian-genuis kernel: [ 403.492322] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: AER: Corrected error received: id=00e5
• 2181[14:25:44] <s0nou572> Jan 15 14:19:18 debian-genuis kernel: [ 403.492969] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: can't find device of ID00e5
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• 2186[14:26:53] <s0nou572> replaced-url
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• 2188[14:27:34] <gpunk> what s your lspci ?
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• 2193[14:30:00] <gpunk> s0nou572
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• 2196[14:30:36] <jelly> ,pciid 8086:9d15
• 2197[14:30:37] <judd> [8086:9d15] is 'Sunrise Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #6' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See also replaced-url
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• 2202[14:34:27] <rafalcpp> hello
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• 2204[14:35:04] <rafalcpp> will one day Debian be capable of playing sound by default?
• 2205[14:35:16] <gpunk> it already is
• 2206[14:35:29] <rafalcpp> while one user is logged in on virtul terminal 7, and another one is on vt 6, then the one on vt6 doesn't have audio
• 2207[14:36:00] <gpunk> is he in the audio group ?
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• 2209[14:36:28] <gpunk> the audio device could assigned exculisivly by an app of X user
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• 2211[14:38:06] <s0nou572> replaced-url
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• 2213[14:39:15] <gpunk> what 's your debian version/kernel ?
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• 2215[14:39:33] <gpunk> sounds like a kernel bug of likely a motherboard failing
• 2216[14:39:38] <gpunk> or*
• 2217[14:39:58] <s0nou572> debian stretch
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• 2222[14:42:56] <gpunk> you have more then one kernel installed ?
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• 2226[14:46:03] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: but to answer the question, yes, wheezy kernels will get some version of meltdown patches, not sure about spectre
• 2227[14:46:16] <jelly> use the tracker of doom
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• 2229[14:46:50] <rafalcpp> gpunk: ok indeed it was only audio group. forgot that one, thought's it's again some bullcrap with hot seating / systemd / etc
• 2230[14:47:11] <rafalcpp> kmix / alsamixer etc, really should by default display that "no permissions (audio group?)" message.
• 2231[14:47:31] <gpunk> ... :)
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• 2264[15:02:16] <marinero> I am having problems with cup in stretch recognizing (from other computers in same LAN) printer attached to usb port of one computer in LAN
• 2265[15:02:31] <marinero> CUPS
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• 2271[15:03:43] <gpunk> can you print locally ?
• 2272[15:04:37] <marinero> gpunk: yes, I can from the computer with the printer attached
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• 2274[15:04:58] <gpunk> is there a firewall activated?
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• 2277[15:06:10] <marinero> gpunk: from others is not even visible. No firewall, just regular LAN. Even though, now that you mention, this particular router may be acting different
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• 2280[15:06:48] <gpunk> is it really published ? check on the webinterface of cups
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• 2282[15:06:53] <marinero> since now I remember that once I couldn't ssh between machines, which I never have had trouble before
• 2283[15:07:02] <gpunk> hmm
• 2284[15:07:16] <marinero> Yes, it is published, share, etc
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• 2287[15:08:39] <gpunk> can you telnet on port 631 from the other PCs to the printer's PC ?
• 2288[15:09:02] <gpunk> to check if the port is open/accessible
• 2289[15:09:34] <marinero> gpunk: It is a router that provides different access points, which probably are translated as different LANS. Will try that now, one second
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• 2292[15:10:35] <gpunk> if they are on different "lan"s they wont see it
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• 2297[15:15:05] <marinero> gpunk: thanks for directing my attention to that,, it is the router, will have to check its settings.
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• 2299[15:15:19] <marinero> they don't see each other
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• 2304[15:17:42] <gpunk> alright then
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• 2332[15:35:08] <aithios> j #postgresql
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• 2334[15:35:25] <aithios> sorry for that :)
• 2335[15:37:18] <ben_____________> nobody is perfect ;p
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• 2338[15:39:12] <blackflow> If one wants to backport a package from, say, buster to stretch, following this recommendation: replaced-url
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• 2346[15:45:47] <blackflow> I suppose cloning the package's debian git repo and using debuild (and procedures listed here: replaced-url
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• 2348[15:47:19] <rant> blackflow: its as good a solution as any, we dont really have a way to do this
• 2349[15:48:06] <rant> I suppose in theory one could code a program to act as a local apt repo/proxy that checks the testing/unstable package versions and automates builds of simple backports. but nothing like this has been done
• 2350[15:48:27] <rant> kind of like apt-cacher but with a package builder attached :P
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• 2356[15:52:53] <blackflow> rant: or maybe a simple script that uses apt policy to check available version and compare to what's locally installed. Really the idea is just to get some sort of notification when it changed so the new source can be inspected and rebuilt.
• 2357[15:53:16] <blackflow> I'll figure something out, I was just wonderig if there's an established/recommended procedure for this.
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• 2359[15:53:19] <rant> blackflow: yeah a cronjob with a simple script would be the easiest
• 2360[15:53:45] <hassoon_> 'evening
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• 2362[15:55:11] <rant> I've never thought much about it as I dont really backport much.. I usually am forward porting stuff that was removed or such
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• 2368[15:59:20] <lintguy> How do i sett configure (Before make) to include a specific curl library?
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• 2373[16:02:07] <gpunk> --with-curl=/...
• 2374[16:02:08] <gpunk> ?
• 2375[16:02:32] <gpunk> ./configure --help will help you
• 2376[16:02:46] <gpunk> sometimes it depends of the software you are building
• 2377[16:02:48] <lintguy> Thanks! I'm a bit new with this
• 2378[16:03:10] <lintguy> Normaly I'd just install libcurl package
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• 2380[16:03:32] <gpunk> you need libcurl-dev
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• 2384[16:03:56] <lintguy> I'm building from source, old server, old system
• 2385[16:04:26] <gpunk> libcurl-dev is the package for building :)
• 2386[16:04:34] <lintguy> Yes, new source
• 2387[16:05:16] <lintguy> I couldn't find an apt archive for debian 4
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• 2391[16:06:12] <gpunk> replaced-url
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• 2393[16:06:43] <gpunk> replaced-url
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• 2396[16:06:58] <lintguy> Hm
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• 2398[16:07:05] <n4dir> wondering why one would want to use debian 4. Is it pre-etch ?
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• 2400[16:07:15] <lintguy> GAH, i had spelled the name wrong
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• 2402[16:07:22] <lintguy> This certainly simplifies things
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• 2404[16:07:33] <webmind> hi, can someone recommend a manual explaining how to make a custom debian usb-stick installer using preseed?
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• 2406[16:07:45] <lintguy> It is etch
• 2407[16:07:46] <webmind> got it working with pxe, but usb boot seems quite something else
• 2408[16:07:59] <n4dir> should be 10 years old, or such .
• 2409[16:08:08] <lintguy> Yeah, it is
• 2410[16:08:26] <n4dir> you probably have reasons to use it. well.
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• 2413[16:08:54] <lintguy> Will only be used on a VM, it's some super old forum that need to work. Client have used it for 14 years…
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• 2415[16:09:02] <lintguy> On a live server, non-patched
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• 2417[16:09:37] <n4dir> the forum software won't work on actual operating systems?
• 2418[16:09:39] <lintguy> I expected malware, rootkits and the like.. Still haven't found anything.
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• 2434[16:17:00] <avallark> hello all :)
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• 2445[16:21:58] <TheSin> hey all I have libpam-ldap installed and I keep seeing "CRON[9695]: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_ldap.so): /lib/security/pam_ldap.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" and "CRON[9695]: PAM adding faulty module: pam_ldap.so" in my auth.log, I don't have a lib/security, but there again all my pam stuff is in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security and no other module complains, anyone know how to fix this?
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• 2557[17:07:06] <rayzer> hello i need help installing pubkeys on debian testing
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• 2560[17:08:27] <RoyK> rayzer: ssh_
• 2561[17:08:29] <RoyK> rayzer: ssh?
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• 2563[17:08:50] <rayzer> not sure what you mean, beginner at debian
• 2564[17:09:14] <RoyK> what sort of public keys? for what use?
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• 2566[17:09:30] <rayzer> for updates
• 2567[17:09:42] <RoyK> and btw, if you're new to debian, better start with stable, not testing
• 2568[17:09:43] <rayzer> says theyre not signed and disabled
• 2569[17:10:05] <rayzer> i used stable before, new to testin
• 2570[17:10:31] <RoyK> there's another chanel for testing, #debian-next at irc.oftc.net
• 2571[17:11:00] <rayzer> let me try paste my terminal info might help
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• 2573[17:11:24] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 2574[17:11:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2575[17:11:46] <rayzer> et:1 replaced-url
• 2576[17:12:07] <rayzer> something like that
• 2577[17:12:22] <RoyK> rayzer: still wrong channel
• 2578[17:12:24] <mnuhmnuh> rayzer: next time, paste.debian.net
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• 2581[17:13:03] <rayzer> that section that showed was one of 2 keys im missing
• 2582[17:13:39] <RoyK> mugai: it was only one line…
• 2583[17:13:44] <mnuhmnuh> aptitude search keyring
• 2584[17:13:45] <rayzer> tried a few tutorials and got such errors as no openGPG or else no data
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• 2587[17:14:46] * greycat googles NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010
• 2588[17:14:53] <RoyK> rayzer: erm - two of us have pointed out it's the wrong IRC channel for testing
• 2589[17:14:56] <mnuhmnuh> doesn't like Ign:2 replaced-url
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• 2591[17:15:09] <rayzer> what was it again roy ill try there
• 2592[17:15:19] <rayzer> thanks though
• 2593[17:15:32] <greycat> rayzer: /msg dpkg debian-next
• 2594[17:15:41] <rayzer> thanks
• 2595[17:15:44] <greycat> (or, like, scroll up 10 lines)
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• 2612[17:24:02] <shtrb> What tool is suggested If I wish to allow user to perform graphical login to plasma+sddm installation over network ?
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• 2615[17:24:47] <gribouille> hi
• 2616[17:24:57] <mnuhmnuh> !hi
• 2617[17:24:57] <dpkg> hello, mnuhmnuh
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• 2619[17:26:10] <gribouille> I use LVM for my system; df tells me that the system is mounted on /dev/dm-3; is there a command that can tell me which LV it is?
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• 2621[17:26:41] <jelly> gribouille: silly way: ls -la /dev/mapper/
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• 2625[17:27:22] <gribouille> jelly, I would rather have a command that tells me directly
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• 2628[17:28:44] <jelly> gribouille: cat /sys/block/dm-3/dm/name maybe?
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• 2631[17:29:43] <gribouille> jelly, thats better
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• 2633[17:30:02] <jelly> there are all sorts of interesting things about block devices (disks) under /sys/block/
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• 2648[17:39:01] <mnuhmnuh> gribouille: does df? pydf?
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• 2663[17:47:54] <tw> gribouille: lsblk
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• 2667[17:49:48] <mnuhmnuh> tw: pretty.
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• 2670[17:50:21] <tw> if you need parsing, lvs -o lv_name,lv_path
• 2671[17:50:45] <tw> not the greatest though, because people can put dumb characters in those names.
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• 2715[18:07:29] <gribouille> mnuhmnuh, I dont want to parse df output; and I don't know pydf
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• 2736[18:14:24] <mnuhmnuh> colourised df(1)-clone
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• 2738[18:14:54] <mnuhmnuh> also pretty.
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• 2741[18:15:00] <praveenbatman> Hi everyone - what is a good open source TR-069 and cwmp package I can download for our phone and computers?
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• 2776[18:29:13] <mnuhmnuh> gawd, i wish people didn't say things like "TR-069 and cwmp package I can download" this early am.
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• 2781[18:29:51] <mnuhmnuh> #debian-offtopic?
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• 2790[18:32:38] <mnuhmnuh> what does "TR-069 and cwmp package I can download" mean?
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• 2792[18:33:53] <shtrb> a client I guess
• 2793[18:33:56] <shtrb> or a server
• 2794[18:34:01] <shtrb> depeend on the user
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• 2804[18:37:23] <shtrb> praveenbatman, do you plan to build your own client or to setup the server side ?
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• 2811[18:41:50] <praveenbatman> @shtrb - I want to build my own server and I will use SIP phones and DSL modems to connect to it to get configuration
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• 2814[18:41:56] <praveenbatman> I would like something with a GUI preferrably
• 2815[18:42:43] <shtrb> praveenbatman, you need to choose a decent ACS (or you can use your favorite web server and some scripting language)
• 2816[18:42:53] <shtrb> but your CPEs need to be able to access it
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• 2824[18:44:19] <praveenbatman> shtrb - what is a decent ACS that you would recommend?
• 2825[18:44:52] <shtrb> none
• 2826[18:45:25] <shtrb> but if you are going that way you have a reason to do so
• 2827[18:45:26] <praveenbatman> any scripts you would recommend if I use apache
• 2828[18:45:27] <praveenbatman> ?
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• 2830[18:45:59] <praveenbatman> shtrb - I would like a ready made package with a GUI but if not as you suggested I can scripts with apache but I don't want to reinvent the wheel
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• 2835[18:46:46] <shtrb> If you are going the TR069 way, I assume you already check the alternatives . few minutes of google pointed me to several ACS on github and SF (didn't use any of them)
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• 2837[18:47:46] <shtrb> easycwmp.org look like something that is maintaned
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• 2844[18:49:01] <shtrb> just hope your router will not interfere with the ISP ACS
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• 2953[19:41:33] <v4char> some can help? replaced-url
• 2954[19:41:47] <v4char> debina 9 using kernel 4.9.0-5-amd64
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• 2959[19:43:40] <annadane> also,
• 2960[19:43:43] <annadane> !localized errors
• 2961[19:43:43] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 2982[19:59:48] <tw> useful, thanks.
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• 2988[20:03:54] <jelly> v4char: what are you trying to achieve? headers are not a full source tree.
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• 2997[20:09:19] <OS-33679> this is OSCP channel ?
• 2998[20:09:40] <somiaj> this is #debian
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• 3000[20:10:37] <jelly> what is OSCP?
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• 3041[20:30:45] <jan6> hi, for some reason it looks like once my bluetooth headphones go out of a2dp range, they fallback to hsp/hfp mode and low-quality audio, but, even once I get back in front of the computer I can't reconnect as a2dp, it shows the option, but resets to hsp/hfp as soon as I close the window and never really changes the settings...
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• 3044[20:32:12] <jan6> happened in unstable, I thought that was it, but now I've done a complete reinstall to stable and it's still a thing (I wiped the partition)
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• 3141[21:09:06] <Nezoriel> Hi i think to buy a Lenovo ThinkPad W540 it has a Intel HD Graphics 4600 NVIDIA Quadro K1100M Optimus - 2 GB hyrid graphicscard any one has experience with this?
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• 3147[21:10:18] <Nezoriel> the other option is a Lenovo ThinkPad W541.
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• 3151[21:11:23] <toolz> hello, are these errors, replaced-url
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• 3155[21:12:38] <Henry151> i just got a lenovo thinkpad p51 and most things are working nicely...
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• 3157[21:13:50] <Henry151> the hdmi output i haven't figured out yet, and the fingerprint reader, and the volume buttons, but everything else worked right out of box (had to get the iwlwifi firmware for the wifi)
• 3158[21:14:12] <Nezoriel> thanks this sounds good, i have very good experience too with lenovo use a T430 at the moment.
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• 3160[21:14:23] <Henry151> i'm sure i'll get the hdmi and the volume buttons to work, but from what i've read the fingerprint reader may prove challenging
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• 3169[21:18:02] <Nezoriel> thanks for the information
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• 3217[21:43:27] <MaxLanar> Hi, I just discovered the rtcwake command. It is exactly what I need, seems wonderful. I just wonder how I can modify or cancel programmed waking time. Say I used rtcwake to programmed the pc in my bedroom to wake up at 4am, but I change my mind and don't want to be disturbed by the sound of a running pc until 5 am. How can I control that ?
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• 3219[21:44:30] <annadane> mbnt, as far as drivers are concerned you shouldn't install from the manufacturer's website, in general
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• 3221[21:44:41] <annadane> not sure if there's a debian pkg for it
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• 3223[21:45:47] <mbnt> annadane, I am trying to do video editing in Linux and it seems an exercise in futility
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• 3226[21:46:25] <mbnt> I can run hefty programs like premiere pro and after effects on windows with my machine, on Linux, I cannot seem to run anything without a crash or lock up or transquilized slowdown
• 3227[21:46:40] <mbnt> for video
• 3228[21:46:45] <greycat> ,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
• 3229[21:46:46] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.2.0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.2.0-1+b1; buster: 1.4.0-1; sid: 1.4.0-1
• 3230[21:46:51] <mbnt> For games, I ran 0AD and it flew seamlessly
• 3231[21:46:54] <greycat> beyond that I know nothing
• 3232[21:47:25] <mbnt> judd, Is that the AMDGPUPRO?
• 3233[21:47:41] <greycat> judd's a bot
• 3234[21:47:43] <mbnt> I figure it *might* be a driver thing
• 3235[21:48:03] <mbnt> greycat, Ahh, pfff
• 3236[21:48:06] <nest> hi all, is it normal to have nfs-common service off on a nfsv3 server with jessie?
• 3237[21:48:43] <mbnt> greycat, Is that AMDGPUPRO?
• 3238[21:49:10] <greycat> ,info xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
• 3239[21:49:11] <judd> Package xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu (x11, optional) in stretch/amd64: X.Org X server -- AMDGPU display driver. Version: 1.2.0-1+b1; Size: 85.1k; Installed: 201k
• 3240[21:49:18] <greycat> Says "AMDGPU display driver"
• 3241[21:49:32] <mbnt> greycat, Does it work?
• 3242[21:49:37] <greycat> 15:46 greycat> beyond that I know nothing
• 3243[21:49:55] <mbnt> Goes back to my original question
• 3244[21:50:03] <mbnt> Hey, has anyone here sucessfully installed and ran the AMDGPUPRo drivers?
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• 3247[21:50:50] <jpw> nest: i'm not sure about the nfs-common service. the unit that runs the nfs server is called nfs-kernel-server
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• 3249[21:52:12] <nest> I have problems with the service nfs-kernel-server: I need to start it twice to make it work and I noticed that nfs-common is masked. This box was upgraded from jessie
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• 3256[21:54:31] <nest> jpw: thanks ... what about nfs-common?
• 3257[21:54:57] <greycat> That's basically the client.
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• 3261[21:55:36] <jpw> it's required. but not a clue what it does
• 3262[21:55:50] <greycat> Read "dpkg -s nfs-common". Says it's also used on the server.
• 3263[21:55:54] <Tarrasquero> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
• 3264[21:56:32] <Tarrasquero> sry
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• 3267[21:57:55] <nest> greycat: thanks, nfs-kernel-server depends on nfs-common, I'm just trying to understand why the service nfs-common is masked (because I didn't mask it)
• 3268[21:58:10] <greycat> It shouldn't be.
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• 3271[21:58:41] <greycat> Or... hmm, it's showing masked on my computer as well.
• 3272[21:58:43] <jelly> nest: nfs-common init script is replaced by a bunch of separate systemd units, it gets masked for a reason. what does "systemctl status nfs-server.service" before you restart anything?
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• 3275[21:59:40] <greycat> The real question is whether everything is *working* as expected.
• 3276[21:59:41] <jelly> nest: or even "service nfs-kernel-server status"
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• 3278[22:00:20] <jelly> nest: do your nfs exports not work before you restart things?
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• 3280[22:00:37] <fasdfd> anybody using dehydrated? What config options did you edit?
• 3281[22:00:52] <nest> hi jelly: status is green
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• 3283[22:01:08] <nest> but active (exited)
• 3284[22:01:25] <nest> then at the bottom of the messages there is
• 3285[22:01:26] <jelly> nest: right after reboot? pastebin the whole output.
• 3286[22:01:26] <nest> nfs-server.service: cgroup is empty
• 3287[22:01:39] <nest> fs-server.service: Failed to send unit change signal for nfs-server.service: Connection reset by peer
• 3288[22:01:41] <jelly> and the command you ran as well.
• 3289[22:01:44] <jelly> !paste
• 3290[22:01:44] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 3291[22:02:26] <nest> jelly can you please take a look at this log before I reboot? replaced-url
• 3292[22:02:26] <greycat> fasdfd: I'm using it. You need to change the ... uh... I'd better just make a paste thingy.
• 3293[22:03:12] <nest> jelly: there is a process running on the server I prefere not to stop
• 3294[22:03:15] <greycat> fasdfd: replaced-url
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• 3296[22:03:37] <nest> but .. of course I can reboot if needed
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• 3298[22:03:57] <jelly> nest: and that is output from "systemctl status nfs-kernel.service", before you did any manual restarts?
• 3299[22:04:49] <jelly> there's all sorts of crap in there that I'm not going to bother to visually grep -v, sorry
• 3300[22:05:14] <greycat> fasdfd: plus of course the changes in the web server configuration to point to the acme-challenges directory.
• 3301[22:05:14] <nest> jelly: I'm sorry for asking ... rebooting right now
• 3302[22:05:53] * jelly goes back to ds9 reruns for a bit
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• 3327[22:21:09] <nest> jelly: naturally now I'm not able to replicate the issue
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• 3340[22:30:30] <fasdfd> greycat, thanks, I don't think I'd figure out nginx reload can be done this way
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• 3344[22:31:42] <greycat> P.S. that's a wheezy system, but it shouldn't change much in newer releases
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• 3355[22:39:59] <chocolate> olebrom: hello
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• 3388[23:00:08] <mbnt> greycat you there?
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• 3394[23:02:54] <mbnt> Debian 8.8.10 is stable?
• 3395[23:03:17] <mbnt> or is it 8.10
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• 3397[23:03:38] <mbnt> I notice a significant kernel jump
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• 3409[23:09:46] <RedSoxFan08> mbnt: Debian 8 is Old Stable. Current Stable is Debian 9. Testing is Debian 10, which is what I'm running - with the exception of Firefox 57, which is from Sid.
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• 3412[23:10:45] <mbnt> RedSoxFan08, What kernel is 9 running?
• 3413[23:11:06] <zerocool> is 10 cool?
• 3414[23:11:06] <RedSoxFan08> mbnt: That's a good question. I don't have an answer for it though.
• 3415[23:11:28] <vectr0n> 4.9.65-3+deb9u2
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• 3417[23:11:35] <RedSoxFan08> zerocool: Yeah, when everything works. But stuff breaks sometimes. I think I'll go with the stable branch next time.
• 3418[23:12:04] <mbnt> vectr0n, Why is Debian 8 stable at the 4.13 kernel?
• 3419[23:12:16] <vectr0n> backports maybe?
• 3420[23:12:27] <zerocool> i use to use testing at home, stable at work. i feel like by the time testing goes stable it feels old to me and deploying at work is ezpz
• 3421[23:12:34] <zerocool> i have fallen behind
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• 3431[23:17:06] <mbnt> Is Debian testing buggy?
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• 3433[23:17:36] <pckratoras> hello what is last stable kernel update?
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• 3439[23:20:09] <DexterF> hi
• 3440[23:20:17] <babilen> judd: kernels
• 3441[23:20:19] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 3442[23:20:20] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
• 3443[23:20:21] <babilen> pckratoras: ^
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• 3445[23:21:30] <DexterF> linux-image-amd64 3.16+63+deb8u1 <- what does "+63" mean?
• 3446[23:21:55] <pckratoras> i have parrot sec and kernel 4.14.0-parrot12-686-pae
• 3447[23:22:02] <annadane> !parrot
• 3448[23:22:03] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
• 3449[23:22:53] <babilen> DexterF: replaced-url
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• 3451[23:23:21] <mbnt> Now, are those kernels based on a fresh install or when you do a full update/upgrade?
• 3452[23:23:44] <babilen> mbnt: There wouldn't be a difference, you get the same packages
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• 3454[23:24:31] <pckratoras> ok thank you in the past i had debian 9 but i face a problem an yesterday i install parrot
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• 3457[23:25:47] <babilen> pckratoras: That's fine, but it means that this channel no longer supports that installation
• 3458[23:25:57] <annadane> word of caution: parrot/kali are not intended for casual use, they're advanced pentesting distros
• 3459[23:26:13] <pckratoras> i understand
• 3460[23:26:18] <DexterF> babilen, so that's compacted?
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• 3466[23:28:33] <pckratoras> annadane, i know this i experiment in pentesting sometimes for that reason i install parrot
• 3467[23:28:59] <annadane> that's fair, just that a lot of people who install it are "hackers" trying to be cool
• 3468[23:30:00] <pckratoras> i'm not hacker just i experiment on it
• 3469[23:30:05] <pckratoras> in my free time
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• 3473[23:32:43] <Alina-malina> i need a small help, i want to compile a dropbear ssh i downloaded, but i am not sure how to do this, i specifically need to do it with gcc compiler myself
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• 3481[23:34:36] <pckratoras> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Parrot "stable" 3.11 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz (1,60GHz) • Memory: Physical: 1,9 GiB Total (796,8 MiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (1,9 GiB Free) • Storage: 0 bytes / 0 bytes (0 bytes Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation NV44 [GeForce 7100 GS] @ VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M890 Host Bridge • Uptime: 3h 5m 41s
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• 3497[23:43:35] <miskatonic> is it reasonable to add the directories containing texlive fonts to the fontconfig path, or is this nsupposed to cause troubles?
• 3498[23:43:35] <DexterF> after installing kernel 3.16.0-5 -4 is gone from dpkg -l but it's still in grub. are linux-image-amd64 and the -4 synonymous?
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• 3504[23:48:15] <somiaj> DexterF: care to put the output of 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image' at paste.debian.net, and no, linux-image-amd64 is just a meta package that points at the newest kernel.
• 3505[23:48:40] <somiaj> DexterF: by default you should usually have two abi versions installed, since autoremove won't remove kernels until there are three or more old kernels
• 3506[23:49:54] <DexterF> replaced-url
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• 3509[23:50:44] <DexterF> some ancient ones.. that system has seen lots of upgrades... it's becoming more of cyberman
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• 3512[23:53:20] <DexterF> somiaj, wasn't properly removed when .5 came in, I just purged it, that seems to do it
• 3513[23:53:49] <DexterF> why are ancient kernels like 2.6 still in dpkg despite they have been removed long since?
• 3514[23:53:54] <somiaj> DexterF: it is working as designed. When isntalling a new kernel, dpkg won't remove the current working kernel as a saftey
• 3515[23:54:14] <somiaj> apt and apt-get won't autoremove by default, but apt autoremove should remove all but 2 kernels (The current one, and one version back)
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