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3[00:02:20] <Tr4sK> Got it
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8[00:02:41] <jelly> what was it
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9[00:02:50] <Tr4sK> It was my /etc/crypttab
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12[00:03:34] <Tr4sK> Because, I wanted to use some other name
in /dev/mapper, not the one generated by the rescue disk
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18[00:04:10] <jelly> that should be possible
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20[00:04:52] <jelly> I did not like that sda2_crypt thing, so I
put in...
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21[00:05:01] <Tr4sK> Debian rescue mount my disk into
/dev/mapper with the name from /dev/sd??
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22[00:05:21] <jelly> luks0
/dev/disk/by-id/ata-OCZ-VERTEX3_OCZ-3UA144F0J2X0R3Q3-part2 none
luks,discard
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23[00:05:56] <jelly> (using by-id path instead of UUID=, I hate
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24[00:06:12] <Tr4sK> Let me try this way
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26[00:06:35] <jelly> and now /dev/mapper/luks0 is the decrypted
PV
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45[00:14:07] <Tr4sK> same issue with /dev/disk/by-id
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47[00:16:30] <Tr4sK> it raise some warning if the first field
in /etc/crypttab is not the same as in /dev/mapper/sd??_crypt
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50[00:19:18] <Tr4sK> then, the initramfs is not well populated
(no /sbin/cryptsetup)
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151[01:12:35] <wpostma> Is there a way, when you install Debian
to make it use LVM for the root filesystem but NOT use 100% of the
disk space at installation?
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154[01:13:02] <wpostma> I chose LVM option when partitioning my
disk, and it made 100% of my disk space used up.
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155[01:13:19] <wpostma> I want the LVM partition to take the
whole disk, but the LVM filesystems NOT to.
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156[01:13:25] <fishcooker> i have the xfce4-powermanagement
uninstalled so the no data battery collected any recommendation...?
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165[01:19:16] <themill> wpostma: sure, you can make the LVM any
size you want by doing so manually in the installer, rather than
accepting its automagical defaults.
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168[01:19:33] <wpostma> i must have missed that menu. i guess I
need to try it a few more times.
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171[01:20:25] <Gimcrack> anyone have experience setting up
ircd-hybrid? I'm attempting to host an IRC server on a amazon
ec2 box
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173[01:24:13] <themill> wpostma: Where you selected to make it
all on one lvm you had the option to do it manually
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175[01:24:48] <wpostma> i guess when you do it manually though,
in debian, you start with an empty disk, you have to create the LVM
partition and everything inside it.
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176[01:25:04] <wpostma> There's no way to have it set the
LVM partition up and create all the stuff in it inside, and then let
me just adjust the sizes.
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178[01:25:31] <themill> Once it has created all the stuff
inside, it's too late to adjust the sizes.
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179[01:25:41] <hipster> ^
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181[01:25:59] <themill> But yes, once could imagine nicer ways
of doing it... turning imagination into code is harder
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184[01:26:54] <hipster> well if one wanted to code a solution
for that they would load all the variables before making the actual
changes
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185[01:27:30] <wpostma> automatic LVM choice with parameter to
leave x% unallocated would be a nice addition to the installer.
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190[01:31:58] <hipster> Does anyone here use KDE with their
Debian install. How up to date are the packages? Do the plasma
widgets work well?
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194[01:33:11] <themill> wpostma: lots of things would be nice;
the installer environment is *very* constrained and not many people
want to work on it. If you think you can offer assistance, I
can't imagine the d-i team will be unhappy to hear from you ;)
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197[01:33:54] <wpostma> I might try to help with it.
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198[01:34:39] <wpostma> I have been installing Debian since 2.0
(Hamm).
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199[01:34:48] <wpostma> The modern installer is way slicker than
those early ones
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202[01:35:52] <wpostma> KDE Plasma is working great here.
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203[01:36:03] <wpostma> I personally prefer XFCE4 but KDE Plasma
is very nice, and I like it a lot more than Gnome.
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204[01:36:29] <benrob0329> Ok, anyone here have any experience
with SSD caching for rootfs?
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205[01:36:49] <benrob0329> Or, installing stuff from the live
environment?
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206[01:36:49] * dvs hands wpostma dselect
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207[01:37:14] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: I've setup
cachefiles on HDD
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208[01:37:27] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: for network shares and
such. though rootfs seems to be tricky
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209[01:37:42] <benrob0329> Whenever I run apt-install it just
fills the screen with black lines and exits
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210[01:38:06] <keropok> try apt install without -
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211[01:38:10] <benrob0329> I've setup a bcache rootfs in
Void Linux, not in Debian tho
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212[01:38:31] <benrob0329> Apt doesnt exist in the live
environment
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213[01:39:14] <wpostma> So you're trying to use a Live
Install Debian and then have some kind of SSD caching to speed up
the live image?
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214[01:39:30] <wpostma> But you don't want to just do a
traditional SSD install of Debian?
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215[01:39:37] <benrob0329> I'm trying to install Debian
with bcache for rootfs
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216[01:39:57] <benrob0329> Or any kind of caching that is
similar
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217[01:40:07] <benrob0329> No RAID setups would do it afaik
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218[01:40:51] <TomTheDragon> No, RAID would not
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219[01:41:09] <mnuhmnuh> benrob0329: to be clear, livecd toram
or eg. tails-sh? que?
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221[01:42:07] <benrob0329> mnuhmnuh: livecd on a flash stick, no
gui, ash
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223[01:43:18] <benrob0329> I really just need to be able to
install bcache-tools
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224[01:43:19] <mnuhmnuh> benrob0329: should be easy, old tech,
never bothered w it myself, lots of others have. zzz...
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226[01:43:48] <wpostma> Not sure what the benefit is if your SSD
is large enough to just have a traditional Debian root filesystem on
your SSD
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227[01:43:55] <benrob0329> But the only apt-thing that exists
seems to be "apt-install"
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228[01:44:11] <benrob0329> wpostma: large recording files at
high quality
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229[01:44:30] <mnuhmnuh> well, i did, but that was for client,
so don't count.
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231[01:44:55] <benrob0329> I need both speed and space, bcache
works quite nicely with my SSD + large HDD
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232[01:44:58] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: looks like you got a
broken system if you don't have apt-get/"apt install"
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234[01:45:38] <benrob0329> TomTheDragon: this isn't an
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236[01:46:00] <wpostma> The instructions for using BCache I have
seen boil down to:
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237[01:46:12] <wpostma> 1. do a traditional Debian install to
your regular disk
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238[01:46:17] <wpostma> 2. add bcache.
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239[01:46:26] <wpostma> So the live debian thing is probably the
wrong starting point.
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240[01:46:48] <mnuhmnuh> TomTheDragon: he' bldg sumfin. :-)
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241[01:46:55] <benrob0329> So, post-install register the bcache
and swap out the boot drive?
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242[01:47:06] <benrob0329> That sounds messy, but doable
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244[01:47:31] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: bcache doesn't
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245[01:47:35] <TomTheDragon> benrob0329: it's just a cache
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246[01:47:36] <wpostma> Here's a blog post using Debian
Jessie
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247[01:47:45] <wpostma>
replaced-url
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248[01:47:57] <benrob0329> TomTheDragon: I'm not entirely
sure, I'd have to go reread
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249[01:47:59] <wpostma> probably would work the same in stretch
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253[01:49:19] <benrob0329> wpostma: it seems he is doing a
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254[01:49:27] <benrob0329> Non-rootfs
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257[01:49:53] <wpostma> Hmm. So since Grub doesn't support
booting from BCache, how is your system booting?
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260[01:50:26] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: you boot from initrd
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262[01:50:39] <wpostma> Which has to be on a /boot partition
which is not bcache right?
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263[01:51:01] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: bcache is a block level
cache, I thought... so not a filesystem, right?
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267[01:51:32] <TomTheDragon> wpostma: it would read your initrd
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268[01:51:40] <benrob0329> /boot is standard (efi in my case)
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270[01:52:03] <wpostma> got it. Never set up BCache either way
(rootfs or not)
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271[01:52:09] <benrob0329> So load ramfs -> mount bcache
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275[01:53:02] <benrob0329> Problem with doing it in post is that
bcache seems to need a clean fs beforehand
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276[01:53:20] <benrob0329> Official instructions:
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277[01:53:54] <TomTheDragon> looks like bcache is a filesystem
or image thing
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279[01:55:19] <wpostma> well the usage of bcache that I
understand is where it's like the Windows feature that uses an
SSD to accelerate a non-SSD main volume.
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281[01:55:40] <wpostma> mac os also has something like it, a
hybrid-drive configured in software instead of as a hardware layer
feature.
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286[01:56:12] <wpostma> but I don't understand the
"rootfs" usage of it.
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288[01:57:15] <benrob0329> wpostma: speed everything up without
limiting space
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300[01:59:26] * mnuhmnuh why do they always say that?
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309[02:02:57] <benrob0329> But, why does apt-install only seem
to clear the screen?
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312[02:05:06] <mnuhmnuh> apt update && apt upgrade
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313[02:05:35] <wpostma> what does man apt-install say that
apt-install does?
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315[02:07:25] <benrob0329> wpostma: man does not exist in the
live environment
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316[02:07:33] <benrob0329> mnuhmnuh: nor does apt
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317[02:07:39] <benrob0329> Just apt-install
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318[02:07:41] * mnuhmnuh unaware that apt-install existed.
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319[02:07:48] <benrob0329> I dont understand either
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320[02:08:08] <wpostma> I don't have any idea what
apt-install does but since you're in a live filesystem, how
could it possibly install anything?
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321[02:08:34] <wpostma> You have a read-only root filesystem.
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322[02:08:53] <benrob0329> wpostma: like any other ram based
filesystem, install it temporarily
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323[02:09:26] <benrob0329> Its the way every other live
environment i've come across has done
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325[02:09:35] <thomas___> hello
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326[02:09:38] <wpostma> I don't see any Debian
documentation about "apt-install" on the web.
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328[02:09:42] <unknownbeing> hello
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329[02:09:50] <mnuhmnuh> wpostma: :-) "no chance of
breaking anything, play, you're where you wanna be!"
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330[02:10:23] <benrob0329> wpostma: that is the problem
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331[02:10:38] <benrob0329> I mean I can go redownload from my
laptop
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332[02:10:47] <wpostma> I am not convinced that apt-install is
what you think it is.
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333[02:10:57] <benrob0329> Most likely not
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334[02:11:10] <wpostma> What I suspect is that Debian's
Live CD is not like other live CDs. What you got is what you got.
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335[02:11:20] <wpostma> You got a desktop. And you can launch
the installer.
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336[02:11:20] <benrob0329> Which makes this a very frustratingly
limited live environment
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337[02:11:22] <wpostma> And that's all you got.
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341[02:11:55] <benrob0329> Hmm, maybe the livedvd image would be
of use
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342[02:12:11] <chocolate> is I do ls /root/file > result how
can I proceed to ls /root/file2 > result not loosing the last
result?
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343[02:12:11] <benrob0329> Having more tools packaged I would
assume
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344[02:12:12] * mnuhmnuh homo sapiens. sheesh.
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345[02:12:37] <ezdev> in my experience, debian has a good live
environment--
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346[02:12:50] <moxom> I love Debian.
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347[02:12:55] <ezdev> whether it is on a cd or not is another
matter. and i havent tried it since jessie
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352[02:17:23] <themill> Are you sure it's actually the
debian live cd?
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353[02:17:40] <themill> (apt-install exists only within the
installer; the live cd has apt)
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354[02:18:01] <benrob0329> Its likely a net-install image
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356[02:18:32] <wpostma> so you have the netboot install?
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359[02:19:07] <wpostma> the ordinary debian installer images are
definitely not Live CD images
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360[02:19:08] <benrob0329> Most likely, i'm downloading the
DVD live iso rn
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367[02:26:15] <mischief> hi, why is the changelog for
replaced-url
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369[02:29:20] <wpostma> Once debian installer has partitions,
can I delete one of them or alter it in any way? I can't see
how.
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370[02:29:41] <wpostma> I can change mount points and labels,
but not size. And most importantly I can't delete or drop one.
I can erase it but that doesn't delete it.
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371[02:29:51] * Maai firstly needs to apologise for earlier behavior 2
years ago
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372[02:30:24] <Rusty1_> mischief:
replaced-url
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374[02:30:27] <wpostma> If I go back to Detect disks, it
doesn't ask me if I want manual or guided again. I suspect I
have to reboot to undo the choice of Guided Partitioning.
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377[02:30:36] <mischief> Rusty1_: check the changelog.
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378[02:30:47] <mischief>
replaced-url
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381[02:31:18] <Maai> or admit i got annoyed. i was annoyed.
anyway. do packet managers dpkg, aptitude and apt-get store all
downloads in the same area?
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382[02:32:31] <Rusty1_> mischief: that 404's here as well
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383[02:33:44] <betatester> server DNS address could not be
found.
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385[02:34:37] <allizom> the package libxml2 has got a security
update 2 days ago
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388[02:35:42] <mischief> it looks like this was the issue
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389[02:35:44] <mischief>
replaced-url
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390[02:35:58] <mischief> i was just curious why there was no
changelog.
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395[02:40:20] <Rusty1_>
/usr/share/doc/libxml2/changelog.Debian.gz << mischief see
what that says?
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396[02:41:09] <mischief> yea, it's there
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424[03:04:06] <[ohnx]> hiya, I'm having a rather strange
issue with Debian... only 1 core out of the 8 cores (2 CPUs x 4
cores per CPU; no hyperthreading) I have is being recognized.
I'm running a E5420
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434[03:12:10] <b1anc> hi, is umask 022 the default in Debian?
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443[03:20:22] <teatime> [ohnx]: really? in /proc/cpuinfo ?
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444[03:20:26] <teatime> b1anc: yes.
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445[03:20:37] <b1anc> thx
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446[03:20:54] <[ohnx]> teatime: yup
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449[03:21:20] <teatime> [ohnx]: just shows one core? that is
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451[03:22:16] <[ohnx]> teatime: yeah, I know the system has
broken ACPI tables, so I tried using acpi=off but that didn't
help
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452[03:22:26] <[ohnx]> I'm just double-checking that it
isn't some obscure BIOS issue
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453[03:22:45] <[ohnx]> s/BIOS issue/BIOS setting that is
disabling the other cores
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460[03:25:58] <teatime> [ohnx]: I don't even know where
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461[03:26:02] <teatime> it's just supposed to be right :)
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462[03:26:10] <teatime> it's surprising to me it can be
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473[03:29:26] <[ohnx]> teatime: yeah I was rather surprised to
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474[03:29:34] <[ohnx]> I'm going to try some live iso
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479[03:31:16] <TomTheDragon> [ohnx]: and you're using SMP
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480[03:31:26] <kaliuser> anyone knows how to install kde desktop
enviroment on kali 2017.3
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481[03:31:26] <[ohnx]> TomTheDragon: yup
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482[03:31:41] <[ohnx]> it's linux 4.13 something
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489[03:35:59] <donald_> I read that
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492[03:38:19] <awal1> how can I get diff colorize differences?
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494[03:40:22] <awal1> I seen colordiff in deb pkgs but wondering
if one can already do with traditional diff
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497[03:41:29] <[ohnx]> hmm, looks like it may have been a BIOS
issue?!?
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498[03:41:37] <[ohnx]> I reset the BIOS and everything works
now.
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502[03:43:33] <jordanm> awal1: --color=auto
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503[03:43:36] <donald_> [ohnx] me?
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508[03:47:39] <awal1> jordanm, not exactly :P tried --color=auto
but what it does exactly is colorize stuff not present in file A but
present in file B . stuff present in both but modified are not
colorized
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509[03:48:16] <awal1> hm, I think I just install colordiff
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530[03:58:15] <wpostma> so what I've learned about the
installer that surprises me is that it doesn't seem to give me
an option to erase a disk that already has partitions. It actually
remembers (after a reboot) the changes I never wrote to the disk. I
can't figure out how it did. Unless it wrote the partitions
before I even told it to do so.
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531[03:58:43] <wpostma> I pick manual partition and it still
shows me the LVM volumes inside an LVM partition, which I never
wrote to the disk.
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535[03:59:31] <wpostma> Manual Partition mode has NO delete
partition option, even in Advanced Install, in Debian Stretch.
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540[04:00:54] <wpostma> how can I delete a partition or clear an
existing set of partitions and manually partition a disk in the
stretch installer?
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542[04:01:52] <wpostma> when I select an LVM partition it says
"Partition in Use: No modifications to partition 5 of device
can be made... in use by LVM volume group".
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543[04:02:16] <themill> you need to delete the vg then the pv
then the lvm
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544[04:02:24] <wpostma> How do I delete the VG?
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545[04:02:38] <wpostma> There is literally NO delete VG option
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546[04:02:50] <wpostma> There's erase data on this
partition, but no "remove vg"
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547[04:02:52] <themill> there is but I'd need to fire up
the installer to find it
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548[04:03:16] <wpostma> options are: use as: mount point: mount
options: label: reserved blocks: typical usage: erase data. and
done.
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549[04:03:18] <themill> I last did this about 4 weeks ago...
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553[04:03:24] <wpostma> there is literally NO delete VG option.
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554[04:03:33] <themill> you're a menu level too deep there
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556[04:04:08] <wpostma> up one menu, choices are guided
parition, configure raid, configure lvm, configure encrypted
volumes, config iscsi, followed by a list of LVMs
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558[04:04:33] <wpostma> there's no delete option and
pressing delete on the VG item doesn't delete it.
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559[04:04:37] <themill> configure lvm doesn't go straight
to "mount point"
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561[04:05:31] <wpostma> right after detect disks stage which
offers no choices, you get to partition disks. If there partitions
already exist, including an LVM and a VG, you can't remove any
of it.
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564[04:05:42] * themill has done so
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565[04:06:03] <wpostma> I'm looking for an option that will
wipe an entire disk but there isn't one, nor a way to remove
the VG and LVM
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568[04:06:31] <themill> I don't have the time to spare to
walk you through it, sorry. Knowing that it is indeed possible
should help though
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569[04:07:00] <wpostma> interesting. you can wipe the LVM out by
choosing GUIDED, then choose the NON LVM option, then choose YES to
wipe all the VGs.
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572[04:07:08] <wpostma> Once you do that, you cal delete
individual partitions.
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573[04:07:19] <wpostma> but there is no way to do it until you
delete everything and go back to a non-LVM guided mode.
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574[04:08:01] <themill> I know I didn't do it that way, but
if that works for you then all good
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575[04:08:17] <wpostma> yeah. it's surprising me. I
expected there to be a delete VG item and there isn't.
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576[04:08:36] <themill> yeah, there is
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577[04:08:40] <themill> *shrug*
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578[04:08:52] <wpostma> I'm looking at it. :-) If you find
one, DM me @wpostma
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579[04:09:53] <wpostma> If I manually create volumes, I believe
I may get the option to delete VMs.
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580[04:10:03] <wpostma> but if they were created by the guided
VG creation then no.
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582[04:10:48] <themill> Considering that what I did was let it
do guided, decide that wasn't what I wanted, switch to manual,
delete them and create them how I wanted, I disagree.
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583[04:11:02] <wpostma> ok. I'm happy to be wrong. Will
keep looking.
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589[04:14:07] <benrob0329> Can I start the installer from a live
environment?
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592[04:14:24] <benrob0329> Or do I have to back out of the live
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594[04:15:18] <wpostma> If there isn't an icon on the
desktop called Installer, I'd imagine you have to use a boot
menu choice.
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596[04:16:27] <themill> benrob0329: I wouldn't advise
installing from the live CD at all, it tends to be a bit quirky. The
installer images are much better at … installing.
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597[04:16:43] <wpostma> ^ this. also it's probably buggy.
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598[04:16:44] <dvs> who knew?
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599[04:16:56] <benrob0329> But, I need extra toola
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600[04:17:00] <benrob0329> *tools
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602[04:17:19] <themill> wpostma: quite. It manages to forget the
lvm2 package, for instance.
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603[04:17:42] <benrob0329> I'm doing a non-standard setup
and need extra tools not in the installer
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604[04:17:56] <benrob0329> But I actually have to be able to
install...
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605[04:18:05] <themill> benrob0329: what do you need?
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606[04:18:17] <benrob0329> bcache-tools
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608[04:18:47] <benrob0329> And a disk partitioner, neither or
which are in the installer iso
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609[04:19:00] <wpostma> uh, the debian installer does include a
partitioning tool.
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610[04:19:02] <themill> A disk partitioner certainly is.
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611[04:19:10] <wpostma> I'm using it right at this very
second.
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612[04:19:22] <benrob0329> I couldn't find gdisk or fdisk..
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613[04:19:27] <benrob0329> ¯\_(ă)_/¯
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614[04:19:28] <wpostma> If you want the maximum flexible
install, start the debian installer in "ADVANCED" MODE.
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616[04:19:44] <themill> The installer is not a live-cd
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617[04:19:44] <benrob0329> You can do that?
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618[04:20:01] <wpostma> in the normal installer (not the live
CD), yes there is an advanced mode.
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619[04:20:15] <benrob0329> Does it include apt?
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620[04:20:47] <wpostma> I believe not. It has a menu driven
installer.
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621[04:20:59] <benrob0329> Then that doesnt help me in the least
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623[04:21:08] <wpostma> Which creates your root image and
installs your root image. Apt works AFTER you have a root image and
bootable system. It can't work before that.
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625[04:21:20] <themill> benrob0329: you're probably better
off using debootstrap and making the setup yourself.
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628[04:22:14] <benrob0329> themill: very well, the manual manual
way it is
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629[04:23:41] <themill> make sure you mount devices into the
chroot, chroot in and install a bootloader and a kernel since
debootstrap will not. (The install guide has more)
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653[04:34:55] <santaclauze_> dsa
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659[04:37:25] <clumsy_boy> why has debian been so popular among
other distros? i mean, when it started it didnt has many packackes
as it does now
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660[04:37:28] <clumsy_boy> packages*
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663[04:39:10] <daeng> non profit
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670[04:41:09] <clumsy_boy> fedora is non profit?
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673[04:42:13] <annadane> i mean what do you mean by "among
other distros"? in any case it's more of a
#debian-offtopic conversation
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711[05:05:24] <Lady_Aleena> Hello everyone. How are all of you
today? I am wondering how much longer I can use Jessie before
apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and say something like "Are
you kidding me?"
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715[05:08:57] <iflema> Lady_Aleena: so what 2018 for features
and 2020 for security?
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716[05:09:16] <iflema> i dont get it
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717[05:10:29] <annadane> i think that's pretty much it; see
replaced-url
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718[05:10:52] <Lady_Aleena> It is a psychological thing. Every
time I make a change to my OS, something bad happens.
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719[05:11:40] <iflema> Lady_Aleena: 2018 for security team and
until 2020 for community?
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721[05:11:43] <annadane> i want to say bug fixes stop in june
2018 and then the volunteer team of LTS does stuff until 2020 but
i'm not sure
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722[05:11:50] <iflema> M
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724[05:12:22] <Lady_Aleena> I just wish I could upgrade without
the gut-wrenching fear and dread.
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727[05:12:42] <iflema> Lady_Aleena: do you have lots of third
party repos and/or software
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728[05:12:53] <iflema> if so you need to sort it because you
added it
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729[05:13:04] <iflema> if not i woulnd worry too much
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731[05:13:30] <iflema> .
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738[05:14:48] <Lady_Aleena> When I upgraded from Wheezy to
Jessie, the KDE KMail from Wheezy became incompatible with KDE KMail
with Jessie. I lost all access to my saved email. Going from Windows
XP to Debian Wheezy, I lost things too. I upgrade, I lose things no
matter how backed up I have things.
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741[05:15:31] <iflema> kmail is really good but but so annoying
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742[05:15:36] <iflema> so annoying
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743[05:15:52] * annadane puts "fix the debian wiki LTS page"
on my list of to-do things
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744[05:16:05] * iflema mutt
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745[05:16:09] <demo__> backup external
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747[05:16:23] <Lady_Aleena> I just wish there were a safe place
to put my old KMail email dir to get it sorted to a new email client
format, but I know there is no such place to get things settled.
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750[05:17:06] <annadane> Lady_Aleena, kde is known for changes
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751[05:17:17] <annadane> though how they are now compared to
then i don't know
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752[05:17:32] <iflema> I actully jumped away from kmail again
because it was working and im worried it waill all end again... =)
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755[05:17:52] <iflema> not that i email much
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756[05:17:53] <Lady_Aleena> Well, with everything I've gone
through with computers, I am even phobic of rebooting.
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757[05:17:53] <themill> kmail in jessie has no trouble with
email archives form wheezy
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758[05:18:36] <Lady_Aleena> themill, I couldn't get them to
work.
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760[05:18:56] * themill did it on many machines with many GB of email
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761[05:19:15] <annadane> anyway you wouldn't be the first
person to complain about substantial shifts in kde fotware
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762[05:19:22] <annadane> software
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763[05:19:24] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, and KDE won't help me get
them working because I run such an old version.
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764[05:19:27] <themill> Filters and templates got broken but the
mail was there
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765[05:19:45] <annadane> this is why people like xfce, it's
more stable
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767[05:19:55] <Lady_Aleena> I still have the mail dir, but it
won't work anywhere.
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769[05:20:13] <themill> Lady_Aleena: are you going to make
someone type "!doesn't work"?
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771[05:20:47] <Lady_Aleena> themill, I opened KMail, I tried
loading the email from the directory where they were stored, nothing
happens.
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772[05:20:58] <themill>
replaced-url
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773[05:21:00] <Lady_Aleena> s/were/are/;
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776[05:22:25] <iflema> are you on your computer everyday? If not
maybe consider looking for a desktop and apps not so fluxy. If your
on it everyday and trendy (lol) you should should get a bit more
current desktop/system
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779[05:23:19] <Gaiseric> Hello everyone! Quick question:
I'm on oldstable (jessie), want to upgrade to stable... BUT
I'm using tons of backported packages. Anything I should keep
in mind? Any preparation necessary? Will the backported stuff
automatically use stretch-backports, or will the whole system become
"stable"?
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780[05:23:32] <themill> Also, if you're the sort of person
who cries when an icon changes due to an upgrade, you're not
going to like KDE4→5 with Stretch.
replaced-url
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781[05:23:35] <Lady_Aleena> I am on the same computer everyday.
I have only one computer.
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783[05:24:00] <themill> Gaiseric: backports from Debian or
elsewhere?
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785[05:24:35] <annadane> especially because kde 5 was already
out when jessie was released i think
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786[05:24:43] <annadane> it just didn't quite make it into
stretch
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787[05:24:52] <annadane> er
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788[05:24:56] <annadane> reverse that
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789[05:25:13] <Gaiseric> themill: from debian
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790[05:25:20] <annadane> it was out when jessie was released,
didn't quite make it into jessie
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792[05:26:14] <themill> Gaiseric: all package versions in
jessie-backports are less than those that are in stretch so you can
upgrade from jessie+jessie-backports to stretch. (If you have
jessie-backports-sloppy then you will need stretch-backports
already)
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793[05:26:26] <iflema> if you want sit in the 2000s and not
trendy try slackware 14.2
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794[05:26:42] <Gaiseric> themill: plus a few custom-built
packages (with checkinstall etc.) but I assume those won't be a
problem
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795[05:26:47] <Gaiseric> themill: I see.
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796[05:26:48] <themill> Gaiseric: Note that it's a
completely untested upgrade path etc and apt may well get a little
confused and need a hand.
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797[05:26:49] <Lady_Aleena> themill, what icons?
replaced-url
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799[05:27:39] <Gaiseric> themill: I don't even know
what's jessie-backports-sloppy :P
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801[05:27:50] <annadane> so you take the already long cycle of
stable updates of like 1 1/2-2 years and effectively double that
because it barely missed inclusion into jessie
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802[05:27:57] <annadane> not surprising it's a big update
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803[05:28:08] <themill> Gaiseric: stuff from buster recompiled
for jessie
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804[05:28:41] <Gaiseric> Oh... no, not using that
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809[05:29:23] <Lady_Aleena> What version of Firefox is it where
every plug-in breaks?
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810[05:29:37] <annadane> 57, quantum
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811[05:30:17] <Lady_Aleena> What ships with Stretch?
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814[05:30:52] <Gaiseric> BTW, have the Spectre mitigation
patches for Firefox-ESR (v52) landed on Debian? (Jessie here)
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817[05:30:58] <annadane> firefox 52 ESR does
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819[05:31:13] <annadane> and then i think in a few months there
will be an ESR of quantum
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824[05:32:09] <Lady_Aleena> ACK! Can't let that happen to
my system. Quantum breaks too many plug-ins.
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825[05:32:12] <Gaiseric> annadane: Will pre-quantum ESR
immediately stop receiving updates when the quantum ESR lands?
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826[05:32:54] <Gaiseric> Lady_Aleena: Same problem, too many
essential extensions here, I dread upgrading to quantum :(
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828[05:33:11] <annadane> well, the ESR of quantum will be in
backports
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829[05:33:23] <annadane> stable won't get quantum until
buster becomes stable
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830[05:33:26] <themill> Lady_Aleena: if in another few months
they're not updated to work with quantum, you probably
shouldn't be running unmaintained (flake/crappy/broken/...)
code
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831[05:33:35] <themill> annadane: no, it will end up in stretch
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832[05:33:47] <annadane> oh will it? i didn't know that
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833[05:33:57] <Gaiseric> themill: Ouch!
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834[05:33:59] <themill> as soon as there's a security
update that can't be fixed in 52 esr
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835[05:34:05] <annadane> ahh
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836[05:34:05] <Gaiseric> makes sense
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846[05:41:29] <awal1> why should i log out and re-login in X for
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847[05:41:38] <awal1> a bit annoying :(
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854[05:50:42] <benrob0329> Please tell me the livedvd
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855[05:51:01] <benrob0329> I think that would about send me over
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862[05:55:00] <benrob0329> No, it doesnt..whew
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864[05:55:18] <benrob0329> Had to guess the password, that
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865[05:55:48] <annadane> isn't it something really simple
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920[06:48:54] <Lady_Aleena> themill, I just asked around, and
there are no replacement add-ons. 8(
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921[06:49:22] <Lady_Aleena> I will lose over half my add-ons
with quantum. 8(
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925[06:51:10] <TomTheDragon> Lady_Aleena: Firefox Quantum?
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926[06:51:36] <TomTheDragon> Lady_Aleena: I'm running Pale
Moon which supports older Firefox plugins.
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927[06:51:42] <TomTheDragon> Maybe too old though, not sure.
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928[06:52:40] <hiexpo> hello all just did a fresh install of 9
and i am using mate and i set the terminal for transparent
background but it wont change
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934[06:59:48] <awal1> hiexpo, check if compositing is enabled
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936[07:00:00] <awal1> not sure how mate calls it
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938[07:00:59] <hiexpo> awal1, where do i look
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943[07:01:52] <awal1> browse in settings manager
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955[07:09:01] <demo__> fac for mate
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956[07:09:45] <demo__> faq
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967[07:16:51] <silly_boy> sample text
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993[07:37:41] <Lady_Aleena> So, to recap what I've been
told tonight; I have until sometime in 2020 to upgrade to Stretch
before I lose security updates, but only to the end of this year
before I lose feature updates. I do not know how many, if any, 3rd
party repos I have (I think only two). I don't have to worry
about Firefox for a while yet, since Stretch still is on 52. Am I
correct so far?
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995[07:38:12] <annadane> well, official support for jessie ends
june 2018
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996[07:38:29] <annadane> but the rest of it sounds correct
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997[07:39:07] <Lady_Aleena> Is there an easy way to find 3rd
party software?
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998[07:39:14] <rant> last I checked (within 48hrs) all our
branches have that version
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999[07:39:30] <rant> ,v firefox-esr
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1000[07:39:31] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie:
52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster:
52.5.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb7u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.5.3esr-1
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1001[07:39:43] <Lady_Aleena> I think the only 3rd party software
I have is my terminal emulator and Discord.
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1002[07:40:05] <Lady_Aleena> I think I got all of the rest from
apt-get install.
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1003[07:40:14] <rant> heh, you went 3rd part for a terminal
emulator?
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1004[07:40:28] <Lady_Aleena> rant, I couldn't find any other
I liked.
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1005[07:40:31] <annadane> Lady_Aleena, find 3rd party software
you have installed? vrms package
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1006[07:40:49] <annadane> assuming it's in the debian
repository
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1007[07:40:59] <annadane> s/3rd party/non free
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1008[07:41:23] <annadane> most of it is probably 3rd party unless
you're on bsd :P
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1009[07:42:07] <rant> pretty much all the terminals satisfy my
needs from aterm to mate-term, lxterm..etc
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1010[07:42:24] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, I had to install vrms. 8)
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1011[07:42:44] <rant> aterm has pseudo-transparency which is cool
sometimes but no GUI profile editor or tabs like mate/lx
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1012[07:42:47] <annadane> now it will complain every time you
don't use "GNU/Linux" in a sentence
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1013[07:42:50] <Lady_Aleena> rant, I couldn't find on that
doesn't wrap my perl output.
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1015[07:42:56] <Lady_Aleena> s/on/one/;
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1017[07:43:16] <rant> haha
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1018[07:43:35] <annadane> you're doing it wrong. you need
sexy colours :P
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1020[07:43:39] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, vrms did not list either
the terminal emulator or Discord.
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1021[07:43:49] <Lady_Aleena> Who needs sexy colors?
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1022[07:43:52] <annadane> right, assuming the software is in the
debian repository
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1023[07:43:53] <themill> Lady_Aleena: there are no jessie feature
updates already. Packages (probably including web browsers) will
lose security support sooner.
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1024[07:44:00] <themill> (and vrms is junk)
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1028[07:44:06] <annadane> if it's just a tar.gz or something
then no vrms won't list it
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1029[07:45:23] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, both programs had .deb
files that I installed from.
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1030[07:45:27] <rant> I'm still torn on term colors.. on
this machine I got the darkish blue-gray bg with cream color text
which is very readable, and on the other I got a pale pink bg with a
grayish maroon text which is also really readable
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1031[07:45:40] <annadane> then they won't be listed
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1033[07:46:06] <Lady_Aleena>
org.jessies.terminator_27.9.6921_amd64.deb and discord-0.0.4.deb
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1054[07:53:27] <Lady_Aleena> Do I have to worry about
Jessie's Terminator and Discord while upgrading to Stretch?
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1056[07:53:52] <themill> You'd have to ask the people you
got them from
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1058[07:54:25] <Lady_Aleena> And here is the output from vrms:
replaced-url
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1060[07:54:54] <annadane> i guess the closest thing for .deb
files is
replaced-url
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1061[07:55:25] <themill> "aptitude search ~o"
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1062[07:55:39] <annadane> i'd probably just remove them,
write down where they came from, and reinstall them later on stretch
(except i avoid installing .deb files directly but i guess
ultimately that's your choice...)
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1063[07:56:13] <Lady_Aleena> themill, sudo or no sudo?
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1064[07:56:30] <themill> 'search' doesn't require
any privileges
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1065[07:56:31] <annadane> no sudo for that
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1066[07:57:03] <darxmurf> morning
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1067[07:57:39] <annadane> i mean i use discord but i use it as a
tar.gz so it doesn't gain privileged access to my system
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1068[07:58:11] <Lady_Aleena> I just followed the directions on
the Discord website.
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1069[07:58:17] <annadane> websites will do that
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1070[07:58:20] <annadane> but whatever
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1071[07:58:23] <annadane> i'm not here to lecture you
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1075[08:00:47] <Lady_Aleena> Oh, yeah, there's the software
that I installed to see if I could get a printer to print, but that
failed. I probably need to plug the printer into the computer and
never try wireless again.
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1077[08:02:01] <Lady_Aleena> Results of aptitude search ~o:
replaced-url
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1079[08:02:54] <Lady_Aleena> themill, at first I couldn't
tell the character before the o was a tilde.
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1088[08:06:26] <midhun> why am i getting this error ? "
Debian packaging “ block lacks the 'Package'
field” in control file "
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1091[08:06:39] <annadane> !context
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1092[08:06:40] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example,
let us know which command/program you are running, what you
expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as
possible. If your command produced output, share the complete
command (with all parameters!) and its output on
replaced-url
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1093[08:06:47] <midhun>
replaced-url
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1094[08:07:37] <themill> Lady_Aleena: sounds like you should look
for a better font while you're at it
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1099[08:10:11] <Lady_Aleena> themill, why better font?
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1100[08:10:23] <Lady_Aleena> Oh!
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1101[08:10:52] <Lady_Aleena> I'm using Courier 10 pitch 10
in hexchat.
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1103[08:11:10] <Lady_Aleena> What do you use?
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1105[08:11:43] <GNU\colossus> I use Terminus
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1106[08:11:47] <annadane> gentium basic 16
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1108[08:11:53] <GNU\colossus> it's a very readable fixed
width-font
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1110[08:12:17] <GNU\colossus> ->
replaced-url
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1111[08:12:18] <Lady_Aleena> I don't have either of those.
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1112[08:12:18] <themill> midhun: you're missing a space
after Description: (your description is also pretty crap) but I
wouldn't expect either of those to cause this error
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1113[08:12:26] <awal1> +1 for fonts-roboto
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1114[08:12:41] <awal1> ,v fonts-roboto
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1115[08:12:42] <judd> Package: fonts-roboto on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 1:4.3-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.4.4r2-6; buster:
2:0~20160106-2; sid: 2:0~20160106-2; stretch: 2:0~20160106-2
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1116[08:12:53] <GNU\colossus> ,v xfonts-terminus
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1117[08:12:54] <judd> Package: xfonts-terminus on amd64 --
wheezy: 4.35-1; jessie: 4.39-1; buster: 4.40-2; sid: 4.40-2;
stretch: 4.40-2
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1118[08:13:17] <awal1> fonts-roboto are the most nice I have
personally found
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1119[08:13:20] <nix64bit> whats the status for debian with
mysql/postgres? I sense mysql/mariadb has fallen by the way?
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1121[08:13:31] <annadane> mariadb is a fork of mysql
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1123[08:14:04] <Lady_Aleena> Any other font packages I should
get?
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1124[08:14:17] <Lady_Aleena> I have fonts-terminus and
fonts-roboto.
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1126[08:14:33] <midhun> yes themis i added a space and tried
buildpackage
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1127[08:14:43] <annadane> don't start font wars :P
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1128[08:15:01] <midhun> <themis> still it is showing the
same error
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1133[08:15:28] <nix64bit> I am looking for information to advice
people
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1134[08:15:35] <Lady_Aleena> GNU\colossus, E: Unable to locate
package fonts-terminus
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1135[08:15:39] <nix64bit> not to upset anyone
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1137[08:15:42] <awal1> Lady_Aleena, I like fonts-roboto and
fonts-dejavu . they work good for me
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1140[08:15:59] <GNU\colossus> Lady_Aleena, I believe it's
xfonts-terminus
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1141[08:16:04] <annadane> nix64bit, if you mean me i was
responding to Lady_Aleena and i was also just joking
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1142[08:16:08] <GNU\colossus> (not on Debian at this very moment)
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1143[08:16:10] <awal1> not only well polished, but they are also
compatible with non latin stuff
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1145[08:16:28] <nix64bit> annadane: i saw that too late
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1146[08:16:31] <nix64bit> :)
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1150[08:17:50] <Lady_Aleena> I have to close HexChat for it to
pick up the new fonts? *head desk*
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1153[08:18:10] <GNU\colossus> Lady_Aleena, yes, it only
enumerates available fonts on startup or something
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1159[08:19:47] <Lady_Aleena> Um, terminus looks bad on my
monitor.
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1163[08:21:44] <Lady_Aleena> I'll try plain ordinary
monospace for a while. It will take me time to get used to it, but I
can not tell and l from a 1.
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1166[08:25:16] <Haohmaru> "Fixed" 8 is excelent
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1179[08:30:39] <blackslide> Hi, just wondering why debian stable
doesn't treat SSD's properly by default?
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1182[08:30:58] <blackslide> Meaning, fstrim -a in cron.weekly,
and noatime in fstab...
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1186[08:31:20] <eck> lol
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1187[08:31:33] <blackslide> which are there by default on many
other systems..
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1188[08:31:54] <eck> go ask dennis ritchie why atime is the
default behavior
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1189[08:32:02] <eck> that ship has sailed
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1195[08:34:00] <blackslide> I just wonder, how much of "wear
and tear" will relatime do?
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1196[08:34:15] <blackslide> I assume that's the default
since kernel 2.something
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1197[08:34:33] <jim> blackslide, but... you can edit those...
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1198[08:34:35] <blackslide> I mean relatime vs noatime. Are there
really that many writes to disc
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1199[08:34:48] <blackslide> to cause even the remotest alarm?
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1201[08:35:26] <blackslide> I'm just thinking debian
installer might be able to do crucial SSD optimization automagically
when it detects an ssd
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1203[08:35:53] <eck> the atime thing isn't really related to
SSD drives, in fact it's worse on spinning disks
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1204[08:36:06] <blackslide> But I assume there's hasn't
been any issues with SSDs at least up tp this point to grant any
action?
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1205[08:36:16] <eck> apparently not
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1206[08:36:20] <jim> blackslide, when you say "debian
stable" doesn't treat ssds properly, which part of debian
are you actually referring to?
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1208[08:36:37] <blackslide> eck, SSD's have a limited amount
of write cycles, so writing something every time something is read,
is bad
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1211[08:36:54] <eck> the extra writes caused by atime are not
enough to wear out your ssd
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1212[08:36:56] <blackslide> I'm referring to the installer
not optimizing for SSD wear and tear
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1213[08:36:57] <Haohmaru> therefore SSDs are bad
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1214[08:37:00] <eck> i believe it only has 1s granularity anyway
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1215[08:37:46] <eck> if atime caused SSDs to fail then SSD drives
would be too unreliable to use for anything anyway
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1216[08:38:48] <eck> anyway if you want to have a real
conversation about this, you should probably email debian-devel
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1218[08:38:59] <eck> or try the debian channels on oftc
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1219[08:39:08] <jim> blackslide, oh, the installer... ok. so
would you put these options in fstab for all disk types? if
"no, just SSDs", then by what mechanism would the
installer know a disk is an ssd?
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1223[08:39:43] <Haohmaru> libcrystalball
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1224[08:39:48] <eck> jim: the kernel can detect ssds already
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1225[08:39:48] <dexta> gm
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1226[08:39:54] <eck> that's how it knows what options the
drive supports
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1227[08:40:18] <eck> if you have a really old drive or whacky
interface it may not detect those, but it's probably pretty
accurate
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1228[08:40:36] <jim> ok, so then the installer could add that
stuff to fstab (and elsewhere)
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1229[08:40:44] <eck> in theory yeah
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1230[08:40:53] <seefood> hey guys! I upgraded my kernel but
/boot/config-4.9.0-5-686-pae has no CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION, is
that a bug?
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1231[08:41:02] <blackslide> At least mint and ubuntu do this by
default
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1232[08:41:13] <towo^work> seefood, no, is not
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1235[08:42:06] <towo^work> PTI depends on x86_64, which does not
fit in a 32bit kernel
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1236[08:42:48] <Haohmaru> no meltdown fix for 32bit?
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1237[08:43:01] <seefood> towo^work: WOAH! so 32 bit OS are safe
from meltdown either way? first I've heard of it. Spectre too?
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1238[08:43:16] <eck> how old even is your computer if you're
using a 32 bit kernel
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1240[08:43:35] <GNU\colossus> why would anyone be using a 32bit
kernel nowadays?
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1242[08:43:47] <Haohmaru> old processor
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1244[08:43:55] <GNU\colossus> Intel Core?
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1246[08:44:00] <Haohmaru> nope
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1247[08:44:00] <towo^work> seefood, no, but 32bit cpus maybe do
not have the meltdown bug
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1248[08:44:01] <eck> it would have to be like 15 years old at
this point
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1249[08:44:06] <seefood> eck: it's an 11YO CPU (That may not
even be vulnerable, Xeon 5310), but the system was installed circa
1999 and upgraded ever since)
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1250[08:44:22] <blackslide> I was rather wondering if there was a
specific reason for not doing any optimization for SSD. it does
sector/cylinder size and partitions accordingly (tho I'm not
sure if this is true with all hdd/ssd types anyways)
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1251[08:44:36] <eck> wild
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1252[08:44:49] <eck> blackslide: you're much more likely to
get an answer on the debian-devel email list
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1254[08:45:34] <eck> there's probably only a handful of
developers in the debian project who know the rationale for the
current disk settings in the installer, and they're unlikely to
be paying attention to #debian at this moment
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1255[08:46:22] <blackslide> hehe, I was just thinking if there
was some general consensus among deb supporters why we do A when
others do B, on the SSD thingie..
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1256[08:46:23] <Haohmaru> how do i check the processor from
terminal?
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1257[08:46:43] <blackslide> I'd assume if it's a XEON
it's affected
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1259[08:46:50] <eck> Haohmaru: /proc/cpuinfo
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1260[08:47:26] <Haohmaru> Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
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1263[08:47:40] <blackslide> Afterall, they've had all the
bells and whistles, Speculative excecution
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1264[08:47:54] <blackslide> would be quite surely on the list..
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1268[08:48:46] <Haohmaru> "address size: 32bits" <-
that means it's 32bit?
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1269[08:48:57] <eck> yes
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1272[08:49:02] <eck> atom cpus were all 32-bit until quite
recently
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1277[08:50:34] <seefood> Haohmaru: found no N270 on the list,
odd!
replaced-url
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1280[08:51:34] <blackslide> Atoms apparently jumped to 64bit
around 2013
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1281[08:51:47] <seefood> Haohmaru: eck: well, my CPU is not on
that list, I hope it means I'm safe then. still need to patch
for my desktop and laptop.
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1283[08:52:12] <blackslide> at least some of the articles on
Meltdown/Spectre say that Intel Atom up until 2013 are not
vulnerable
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1287[08:52:38] <blackslide> Also Itanium is not affected
apparently
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1290[08:54:03] <seefood> Got a silly question then! If the
hardware is not vulnerable in 32bit mode, downgrading the OS to 32
bits will keep the machine safe without the KPTI load hit for
low-RAM machines, won't it?
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1291[08:55:18] <seefood> blackslide: Itanium had no out-of-order
execution and very primitive speculation IIRC.
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1292[08:56:32] <blackslide> apparently so
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1295[08:57:21] <blackslide> Since were in kernel 4.x I'd
prolly be having best of both worlds by using lazytime instead of
noatime...
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1298[08:58:21] <OtakuSenpai> if i want to format the usb which is
/dev/sdb using fdisk, is this the command?
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1299[08:58:24] <OtakuSenpai> fdisk -W /dev/sdb
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1303[08:58:42] <OtakuSenpai> or is -W for partitions like
/dev/sdb1
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1308[08:59:24] <towo^work> no one was saying, vulnerable hardware
is safe in 32bit mode
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1313[08:59:45] <blackslide> also, since the installer insisted on
a swap partition, I created it, but have deemed it totally
unneccessary for my use case. But removing it has proven to be not
so straightforward..
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1314[08:59:46] <OtakuSenpai> can anyone tell me?
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1328[09:02:09] <blackslide> I don't remember using the -W
option..
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1331[09:03:27] <OtakuSenpai> can anyone help me wipe a read only
filesystem?
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1335[09:04:46] <blackslide> so you've tried mkdosfs and it
says read-only?
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1347[09:09:39] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, is that a portable hdd which
you try to access?
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1371[09:19:27] <OtakuSenpai> hello can anyone help me recover my
read only usb stick?
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1375[09:20:11] <OtakuSenpai> im pasting the dmesg output
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1376[09:20:18] <OtakuSenpai>
replaced-url
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1389[09:27:59] <OtakuSenpai> i cant use testdisk and e2fsck gives
this error
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1390[09:28:06] <seefood> OtakuSenpai: if it's read-only,
read it and save to a R/W device, what's the problem?
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1392[09:28:39] <OtakuSenpai> seefood: i dont need the data, i
need the device
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1394[09:28:47] <OtakuSenpai>
replaced-url
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1395[09:28:53] <OtakuSenpai> anyone can help me?
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1399[09:29:09] <cheapie> Throw the drive out and buy a new one.
It's done.
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1402[09:29:52] <seefood> OtakuSenpai: fdisk won't
repartition the thing? mkfs.ext4 won't format it?
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1405[09:30:07] <OtakuSenpai> yes
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1410[09:30:58] <seefood> OtakuSenpai: then it's toast.
aliexpress.com, find something that has a lot of good feedback from
a seller of good standing. good luck :-)
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1413[09:32:13] <cheapie> Seems like every day someone shows up
with a flash drive that's gone read-only. The only time they
ever do that, unless someone was messing with stuff they
shouldn't have been, is if the flash has reached end-of-life
and the controller switched to read-only so that you can get your
data off and go buy a new drive.
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1424[09:36:33] <plant-man> I have had hard drive volumes go
read-only, for no reason. It happens in Linux.
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1427[09:37:26] <cheapie> plant-man: It's one thing if the
filesystem decides to remount read-only
("errors=remount-ro"), but OtakuSenpai's problem was
an entire drive that went read-only.
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1428[09:37:45] <cheapie> As in, the issue is not that the OS
won't let them write to it, but rather that the drive will not
accept wirtes.
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1430[09:37:47] <cheapie> writes*
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1431[09:38:29] <plant-man> cheapie: o, i understand now.
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1463[09:52:15] <OtakuSenpai> can someone give me a free win7
product key :3
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1464[09:52:40] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, ask in #windows
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1465[09:52:42] <aaap> :D
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1466[09:52:46] <OtakuSenpai> oh
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1468[09:52:59] <OtakuSenpai> i thought i was in windows
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1472[09:53:31] <cheapie> OtakuSenpai: Win7 will install without a
product key, just click "skip" when it asks. As far as
activation goes, you're on your own there...
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1473[09:53:55] <OtakuSenpai> i hav a x64 version of it
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1476[09:54:32] <OtakuSenpai> n i dont hav enough space on my
laptop, so thinking of installing on my core2duo machine
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1477[09:54:37] <cheapie> There are some great tools to take care
of the activation part, but you're not going to find any of
them here, nor will I direct you to where you can find them.
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1479[09:55:28] <kopper> I'm not giving advises on pirating
OS, but on a side-note those activators are very likely to have
something else included in them.
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1480[09:55:48] <kopper> If you care about security at all
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1481[09:55:55] <kopper> Just buy a copy
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1482[09:56:04] <OtakuSenpai> windows and security? in what world?
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1483[09:56:37] <kopper> That's kinda naive
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1502[10:03:20] <rant> was fglrx removed? I am not getting any
hits in my package cache and I have contrib non-free as well
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1506[10:04:32] <kopper> rant: Iirc a chat from couple of days
ago, that indeed is the case
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1512[10:05:37] <rant> hmm.. oh well.. heh. I guess I either gotta
go upstream or find something else
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1513[10:05:49] <jelly> ,bug rm fglrx
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1514[10:05:52] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
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1515[10:05:58] <jelly> ,v fglrx
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1516[10:06:00] <judd> No package named 'fglrx' was
found in amd64.
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1518[10:06:25] <shtrb> rant , radeon or build it yourself
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1519[10:06:34] <jelly> ,v fglrx-driver
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1520[10:06:35] <rant> my graphics work and I dont really need 3d
I mostly just wanted the catalyst control center.. something I could
use to adjust brightness/contrast and such
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1521[10:06:35] <judd> Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 --
wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free:
1:15.9-4~deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:15.9-4~deb8u2;
jessie-backports/non-free: 1:15.12-2~bpo8+4
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1522[10:06:44] <jelly> ,bug rm fglrx-driver
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1523[10:06:47] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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1524[10:06:53] <jelly> there you go
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1525[10:06:57] <shtrb> rant , radeon support brightness for the
200M
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1527[10:07:23] <shtrb> I think amdgpu does not support old cards
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1528[10:07:25] <rant> yeah I already gathered that much gooling
that the driver lacked EGL support and such
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1529[10:07:42] <shtrb> I was using radeon , so if you are with
200M you should be safe
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1530[10:07:50] <rant> this is a very old card I'd say.. its
an old ibm thinkpad
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1532[10:08:16] <rant> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]:
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV350/M10 GL [Mobility FireGL
T2] [1002:4e54] (rev 80)
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1533[10:08:17] <shtrb> That is why I said amdgpu had issues with
it
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1534[10:08:27] <shtrb> Your card was newer than mine
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1535[10:08:45] <shtrb> Check the opensource driver
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1538[10:09:31] <towo^work> rant, install firmware-amd-graphics,
after that radeon driver should work well
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1539[10:10:18] <rant> I dont care if the driver works or not.. I
have graphics now.. as I said my main concern is a better control of
it
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1542[10:10:38] <rant> things like nvidia-settings offer full
control of the graphics
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1544[10:10:56] <shtrb> rant, the opensource driver has brightness
control
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1545[10:11:09] <iodot> what would be the sane way to obtain
libssl1.0.0. its needed for a program that still depends on it.
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1555[10:17:10] <deltam> hi, which package do I need to install to
avoid "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files" ?
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1563[10:21:42] <deltam> maybe at-spi2-core, i will try that
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1572[10:24:46] <deltam> yeah, that is the one
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1583[10:29:07] <agatineau> iodot, libssl1.0.0 wil not conflict
with newer version. So i'd say find a proper repo providing it
(be sure it's legit) and install it :-)
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1584[10:29:13] <silly_boy> i want to die
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1585[10:31:15] <darxmurf> well, it's not always the best
solution mate
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1589[10:33:02] <somiaj> iodot: install libssl1.0.2 and make a
link from the 1.0.0 version of the libary to the 1.0.2 version, it
is compadable with most programs (except those that explicity look
for the 1.0.0 flag in the version string)
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1598[10:36:54] <silly_boy> darxmurf is it
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1601[10:37:18] <darxmurf> think about it again
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1604[10:38:00] <jelly> clumsy_boy / silly_boy : do you have a
debian tech support question?
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1607[10:41:25] <silly_boy> jelly, yeah, i get some error logs at
boot, i've tried to look up some info on google but i could not
find anything that relates to my case; example: [ 8.580620]
sp5100_tco: I/O address 0x0cd6 already in use
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1608[10:41:26] <silly_boy>
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1609[10:41:34] <noocx> ntfsresize v2016.2.22AR.1 (libntfs-3g)
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1610[10:41:34] <noocx> ERROR: Volume is scheduled for check.
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1611[10:41:35] <noocx> Run chkdsk /f and please try again, or see
option -f.
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1612[10:41:42] <noocx> whats should i use for ntfs check?
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1615[10:41:57] <darxmurf> windows...
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1616[10:42:04] <noocx> deleted it:D
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1617[10:42:17] <noocx> so i need a debian command:)
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1618[10:42:27] <darxmurf> why do you keep a NTFS volume then :-x
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1621[10:42:49] <noocx> ..:D
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1623[10:42:54] <noocx> im deleting it too
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1624[10:42:58] <noocx> but first need to move data
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1625[10:43:07] <noocx> to be able to move data i wwant to swap to
ext4
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1626[10:43:10] <noocx> with ntfsresize
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1627[10:43:14] <darxmurf> hm
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1629[10:43:18] <noocx> resizing the partition in 2 steps
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1630[10:43:21] <noocx> first is done
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1631[10:43:29] <noocx> now i need more space to be able to copy
my data
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1632[10:43:40] <noocx> but cant do the second resize cause it
need to be checked
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1633[10:43:41] <noocx> clear?:)
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1635[10:44:07] <darxmurf> ntfsfix
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1638[10:45:01] <somiaj> in genenral it is suggeted to use windows
tools to preform checks on ntfs file systems. The tools in linux are
very limited.
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1640[10:45:19] <noocx> darxmurf: thanks
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1641[10:45:21] <somiaj> you may want to find another place to
move the data tha tdonest' involve resizing the partition.
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1642[10:45:48] <darxmurf> true
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1655[10:49:11] <noocx> ntfsfix run but ntfsresize still cries
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1656[10:49:20] <Iridos> this cpu microcode that will be updated
because of the meltdown/spectre thing… how does that even
work? There is some writable memory on the CPU?
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1658[10:49:57] <Iridos> And how will the update for that happen
under linux?
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1660[10:50:45] <__marco> Hello. I cannot use thunderbird with
enigmail. The problem seems to be gpg-agent and the pinentry program
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1661[10:50:52] <themill> ,i intel-microcode
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1662[10:50:53] <judd> Package intel-microcode (non-free/admin,
extra) in stretch/amd64: Processor microcode firmware for Intel
CPUs. Version: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; Size: 974.4k; Installed: 1172k;
Homepage:
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1663[10:50:55] <themill> Iridos: ^^
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1664[10:51:05] <__marco> pinentry[4063]: Remote error from secret
service: o
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1665[10:51:05] <__marco>
rg.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
org.freedesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files
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1667[10:51:14] <__marco> gpg-agent[2390]: Failed to lookup
password for key
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1668[10:51:14] <__marco>
n/60B34B29F5C651A448CD66040228CFD5416F1B09 with secret service: The
name org.fre
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1669[10:51:14] <__marco> edesktop.secrets was not provided by any
.service files
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1673[10:51:35] <noocx> :D
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1674[10:51:35] <Iridos> themill, hm, interesting, thanks
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1677[10:52:12] <noocx> __marco: maybe use some pasting site
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1679[10:52:14] <__marco> Do you have any clue? What should I
install to provide the org.freedesktop.secrets service?
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1682[10:52:31] <Iridos> I don't have that installed
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1683[10:52:50] <noocx>
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1684[10:52:56] <Iridos> and it's from Nov 2017
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1687[10:53:50] <__marco> noocx: I found that answer too, but I
don't use KDE neither GNOME
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1690[10:54:51] <themill> __marco: you might want to install and
select a different pinentry tool. aptitude search ~npinentry
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1691[10:54:54] <__marco> I would avoid to install all GNOME only
for the keyring
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1692[10:55:04] <noocx> +1
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1693[10:55:07] <somiaj> Iridos: it is a package from non-free,
and that is the package debian will use to provide the updated
microcode.
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1695[10:56:19] <__marco> themill: I try with the qt version
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1696[10:56:37] <__marco> I am using pinentry-gtk2
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1699[10:58:41] <themill> I'd have expected the gtk2 version
to work without the rest of gnome
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1704[11:00:10] <__marco> themill: I am pretty sure I used
enigmail before, in this very same system. Maybe a bug introduced
with an update
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1711[11:04:06] <pdobrogost> Hi all! I'm trying to make a deb
package following 5 simple instructions at
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1714[11:04:45] <themill> !packaging tutorial
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1715[11:04:45] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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1716[11:05:10] <themill> How easy it is to make a package depends
entirely on how well behaved the upstream developers are
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1718[11:05:39] <__marco> themill: side question, if you
don't mind. I used to have a frankdebian. How can I see the
list of installed packages that are not in stable?
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1720[11:06:04] <themill> !which repo
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1721[11:06:04] <dpkg> To see what repository a package may have
come from, try
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1723[11:06:14] <pdobrogost> I am the upstream developer. I just
need to package some files and mark some of them as configuration
the same way I do it with rpm. However I can't find any good
documentation on this.
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1728[11:08:47] <__marco> themill: I tried to lunch gpg from the
command line and the pinentry had no problem. The problem comes
somehow from enigmail and/or thunderbird
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1730[11:09:03] <__marco> themill: and thanks for your answers
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1731[11:09:27] <themill> __marco: which release of debian?
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1732[11:09:39] <__marco> themill: stretch
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1733[11:09:54] <themill> __marco: stretch kernel or backports or
?
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1736[11:11:49] <Iridos> what about apt-show-versions …
that's not in that list
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1737[11:11:59] <__marco> themill: stable was the base, then I
added once unstable to install firefox. Actually the base system was
jessie, then jessie+sid, then I upgraded to stretch
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1738[11:12:49] <Iridos> sounds like all you need now are some
packages from potato ^^
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1740[11:13:27] <themill> Iridos: unless apt-show-versions has
improved, it will misreport packages that have the same version in
multiple releases
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1741[11:13:43] <__marco> Iridos: My very first Debian was woody.
In that times potato was already old
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1742[11:13:56] <Iridos> hm, I may remember it doing that
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1743[11:14:06] * themill tests
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1745[11:14:30] <__marco> It seems that all my packages comes from
the stable repositories
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1747[11:15:35] <Iridos> themill, mmh. apt-show-versions is just a
bunch of perl. It's a bit poor if thta does less well than a
bash oneliner
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1749[11:16:15] <themill> it seems better now
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1756[11:18:31] <__marco> this is what enigmail reports:
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1784[11:39:47] <pdobrogost> themill: Do you know why simple
instructions at
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1794[11:47:02] <noocx> ok ntfsresite -f solve the check issue
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1795[11:47:08] <noocx> ntfsresize*
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1796[11:47:13] <noocx> solved*
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1801[11:48:48] <noocx> pdobrogost: its an article from 2011
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1802[11:49:21] <pdobrogost> noocx: And debian is from 1993 so
what? :)
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1803[11:49:32] <noocx> lol
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1805[11:49:42] <noocx> but get updated actively..:D
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1806[11:49:55] <noocx>
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1807[11:50:05] <pdobrogost> I do, I'm on latest Fedora,
always :)
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1808[11:50:14] <iodot> somiaj: that my problem, the problem does
look for the specific version string.
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1809[11:50:28] <iodot> program*
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1810[11:50:41] <noocx> always try to find your answer in the real
documentation first:)
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1811[11:50:49] <pdobrogost> Instead of using dpkg-deb --build
<dirname> I was using dpkg-buildpackage -b and that's why
it didn't work.
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1812[11:51:20] <pdobrogost> Why it didn't fail but was
creating empty package is beyond me however…
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1815[11:52:26] <somiaj> iodot: there are older packages that
might work in that case, the one from jessie should isntall.
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1840[12:03:01] <the_doc> hi all
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1842[12:03:59] <the_doc> which software I need to install on
Debian 9 to access a mate desktop from remote locations ? (existing
sessions)
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1843[12:04:26] <the_doc> Trying some xrdp guides but not working
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1845[12:05:16] <somiaj> do you want to access the desktop or just
run gui apps on a remote machine?
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1848[12:07:18] <the_doc> access the desktop (already logged on
the physical machine)
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but don't know any details. optinally you could use a
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(remmina) was the trouble , I'm trying now with rdesktop and at
least I'm able to open a new session ! Trying now to connect to
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1871[12:20:35] <the_doc> Thanks anyway !
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trying to install the 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 package that was released to
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1923[12:57:13] <kschlesselmann> Hi guys! I'd like to create
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1945[13:11:01] <jelly> kschlesselmann: take a look at vmdb2 or
vmdebootstrap
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1952[13:11:53] <themill> You've probably got to teach them
how to deal with expired keys
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1955[13:13:05] <noocx> which is a good program to expand ext4
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1956[13:13:40] <noocx> resize4fs?
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1965[13:14:42] <noocx> resize2fs
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1976[13:20:14] <kai_w> Do I need a separate /boot if / is on lvm?
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1988[13:25:37] <jelly> noocx: resize2fs expands the filesystem,
but you need to expand the block device (partition, or whatever)
before that. You cna use parted to do both at the same time, with
some caveats
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1996[13:27:39] <noocx> or fdisk + resize2fs?
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2004[13:29:32] <jelly> noocx: the usual one is linux kernel often
does not want to see new partition size if ANY partition on that
disk is in use; eg. if you only have one disk, you probably need to
do resizing from a livecd
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2006[13:30:00] <noocx> its on unmounted disk
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2009[13:30:11] <eck> can i force apt-get to use a particular
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2010[13:30:26] <noocx> but with 3 partitions at the moment
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2011[13:30:30] <eck> the one it keeps sending me to is flaking
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2012[13:30:36] <jelly> eck: configure only this mirror in
sources.list?
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2013[13:30:47] <lng> Hi! I have `dpkg: dependency problems
prevent configuration of pandorafms-server: ***` and then I run `apt
install -f` to install dependencies, but it prompts to uninstall
pandorafms-server instead. Why?
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2017[13:31:21] <jelly> noocx: if they're all umounted
resizing the partition (with fdisk or sfdisk or parted or whatever)
might work without a reboot.
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2019[13:31:58] <jelly> lng: usually because it cannot find the
dependencies required to install that package
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2020[13:32:06] <jelly> !bat
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2021[13:32:06] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2022[13:32:10] <jelly> lng: ^^
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2023[13:32:13] <noocx> jelly: ok thanks
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2024[13:32:46] <eck> that works, not super elegant but it'll
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2035[13:37:54] <lng> jelly: k mmt tnx
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2041[13:40:19] <noocx> partiotion expanding with fdisk works too
if i change its starting sector?
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2043[13:41:22] <lng> jelly:
replaced-url
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2045[13:43:26] <lng> libjson-perl is present, for example
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2046[13:44:29] <jelly> lng: can you show output of commands for
step 2 and step 3?
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2047[13:45:22] <lng> jelly: pls define step 2,3
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2049[13:45:53] <lng> jelly: apt-get -f install output is in the
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2053[13:47:25] <themill> lng: what dpkg asked for
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2054[13:47:45] <noocx> libdbi-perl
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2057[13:48:25] <lng> ah sorry
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2058[13:48:31] <noocx> what debian is this?
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2061[13:49:31] <lng> Debian GNU/Linux 9
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2063[13:49:50] <noocx> and whats your problem?
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2064[13:50:09] <lng> broken packages
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2065[13:50:22] <noocx> cause you dont have the dependency?
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2066[13:50:29] <noocx> dependencies installed?
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2067[13:50:32] <lng> apt-cache policy
pandorafms.server_7.0NG.717.deb
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2069[13:50:47] <lng> noocx:
replaced-url
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2071[13:51:14] <jelly> lng: apt-cache policy package names of
RACH package in the output (yes all those perl module package names)
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2072[13:51:18] <jelly> EACH*
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2073[13:51:35] <lng> jelly: got it
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2074[13:51:37] <jelly> and including pandorafms.server
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2075[13:51:53] <jelly> and for step 3 just "apt-cache
policy" without any other params
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2077[13:52:23] <jelly> maybe your package is tested only for
debian 8 not debian 9?
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2078[13:52:37] <noocx> jelly: can you tell me if expanding with
fdisk works too if i change the starting sector?
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2080[13:52:47] <lng> jelly:
replaced-url
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2081[13:53:15] <jelly> noocx: do NOT change the starting sector
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2082[13:53:30] <noocx> but ive got the space there:D what should
i do then?
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2085[13:54:14] <jelly> noocx: use a better tool, maybe gparted
live iso, and verify your backups work before moving data around
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2086[13:54:51] <noocx> ok thanks
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2087[13:55:05] <jelly> lng: hum, that still does not have any
apt-cache policy ... stuff?
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2089[13:55:57] <lng> jelly:
replaced-url
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2093[13:57:42] <jelly> ,v xprobe2
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2094[13:57:43] <judd> No package named 'xprobe2' was
found in amd64.
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2096[13:58:18] <jelly> lng: now check all the dependencies with
no Candidate version available, like xprobe2
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2097[13:58:23] <themill> ,v xprobe
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2098[13:58:24] <judd> Package: xprobe on amd64 -- jessie:
0.3-1.1; wheezy: 0.3-1.1; buster: 0.3-3; sid: 0.3-3; stretch: 0.3-3
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2100[13:58:49] <lng> I see
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2101[13:58:52] <lng> Thanks
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2102[13:58:56] <jelly> cursed Provides
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2104[13:59:10] <jelly> you'll need contrib for
snmp-blahblah-downloader
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2105[13:59:15] <jelly> !contrib
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2106[13:59:16] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain
<DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main
(possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages,
add lines like "deb
replaced-url
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2108[13:59:33] <jelly> ,v snmp-mibs-downloader
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2109[13:59:34] <judd> Package: snmp-mibs-downloader on amd64 --
jessie/non-free: 1.1; wheezy/non-free: 1.1; buster/non-free:
1.1+nmu1; sid/non-free: 1.1+nmu1; stretch/non-free: 1.1+nmu1
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2110[13:59:39] <jelly> worse, non-free
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2111[13:59:43] <nwe> I have setup bond0 and my bond0 is in my
bridge br0, the problem I have now is that br0 doesnt get any dhcp..
any idea?
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2112[13:59:48] <jelly> !non-free sources
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2113[13:59:48] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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2114[14:00:12] <lng> cool
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2115[14:00:22] <lng> doing it
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2117[14:01:03] <__marco> themill: Just for the record. I solved
the problem with enigmail. It was gpg indeed. Apprentry enigmail
tried to encrypt the email with an old key of mine that was not
present in the keyring
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2119[14:01:24] <__marco> themill: Why, this is a good question
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2121[14:02:14] <themill> fun
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2124[14:03:05] <jelly> oh, snmp-mibs-downloader is not just a
downloader, it actually contains a bunch of RFCs
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2128[14:03:51] <jelly> dpkg: boggle my mind
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2129[14:03:51] <dpkg> jelly: wish i knew
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2131[14:05:02] <lng> jelly: thanks a lot. got it installed
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2134[14:06:17] <adac> hi there. is .ssh/authorized_keys2 still
working in stretch? Would need it for a quick fix
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2137[14:08:01] <gpunk> you want someone's
.ssh/authorized_keys2 ?
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2140[14:10:16] <iodot> somiaj: pulling from jessie did it.
thanks.
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2141[14:10:31] <themill> adac: yes
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2143[14:11:06] <adac> themill, thanks! Need to bring up my rescue
system and will put some keys in there for now
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2144[14:11:45] <themill> (but you should be using
.ssh/authorized_keys instead)
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2151[14:14:47] <noocx> see you
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2154[14:20:53] <NetTerminalGene> wheezy gets meltdown and specre
updates?
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2159[14:22:32] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: wheezy LTS is EOLed in
May anyway
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2161[14:22:43] <jelly> this year.
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2162[14:23:00] <jelly> you should be testing upgrade paths
already
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2163[14:23:26] <NetTerminalGene> i see
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2164[14:23:26] <jelly> wc -l outdated.2018-05.Deb7.txt
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2165[14:23:26] <jelly> 54 outdated.2018-05.Deb7.txt
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2172[14:24:41] <jelly> I... won't paste the number of OLDER
releases we have running.
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2174[14:24:53] <s0nou572> name
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2176[14:25:29] <s0nou572> hi,
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2178[14:25:44] <s0nou572> Jan 15 14:19:18 debian-genuis kernel: [
403.492308] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: device [8086:9d15] error
status/mask=00000001/00002000
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2179[14:25:44] <s0nou572> Jan 15 14:19:18 debian-genuis kernel: [
403.492312] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: [ 0] Receiver Error (First)
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2180[14:25:44] <s0nou572> Jan 15 14:19:18 debian-genuis kernel: [
403.492322] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: AER: Corrected error received:
id=00e5
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2181[14:25:44] <s0nou572> Jan 15 14:19:18 debian-genuis kernel: [
403.492969] pcieport 0000:00:1c.5: can't find device of ID00e5
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2186[14:26:53] <s0nou572>
replaced-url
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2188[14:27:34] <gpunk> what s your lspci ?
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2193[14:30:00] <gpunk> s0nou572
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2196[14:30:36] <jelly> ,pciid 8086:9d15
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2197[14:30:37] <judd> [8086:9d15] is 'Sunrise Point-LP PCI
Express Root Port #6' from 'Intel Corporation' with
kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in
stretch. See also
replaced-url
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2202[14:34:27] <rafalcpp> hello
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2204[14:35:04] <rafalcpp> will one day Debian be capable of
playing sound by default?
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2205[14:35:16] <gpunk> it already is
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2206[14:35:29] <rafalcpp> while one user is logged in on virtul
terminal 7, and another one is on vt 6, then the one on vt6
doesn't have audio
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2207[14:36:00] <gpunk> is he in the audio group ?
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2209[14:36:28] <gpunk> the audio device could assigned
exculisivly by an app of X user
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2211[14:38:06] <s0nou572>
replaced-url
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2213[14:39:15] <gpunk> what 's your debian version/kernel ?
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2215[14:39:33] <gpunk> sounds like a kernel bug of likely a
motherboard failing
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2216[14:39:38] <gpunk> or*
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2217[14:39:58] <s0nou572> debian stretch
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2222[14:42:56] <gpunk> you have more then one kernel installed ?
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2226[14:46:03] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: but to answer the
question, yes, wheezy kernels will get some version of meltdown
patches, not sure about spectre
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2227[14:46:16] <jelly> use the tracker of doom
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2229[14:46:50] <rafalcpp> gpunk: ok indeed it was only audio
group. forgot that one, thought's it's again some bullcrap
with hot seating / systemd / etc
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2230[14:47:11] <rafalcpp> kmix / alsamixer etc, really should by
default display that "no permissions (audio group?)"
message.
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2231[14:47:31] <gpunk> ... :)
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2264[15:02:16] <marinero> I am having problems with cup in
stretch recognizing (from other computers in same LAN) printer
attached to usb port of one computer in LAN
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2265[15:02:31] <marinero> CUPS
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2271[15:03:43] <gpunk> can you print locally ?
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2272[15:04:37] <marinero> gpunk: yes, I can from the computer
with the printer attached
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2277[15:06:10] <marinero> gpunk: from others is not even visible.
No firewall, just regular LAN. Even though, now that you mention,
this particular router may be acting different
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2280[15:06:48] <gpunk> is it really published ? check on the
webinterface of cups
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2282[15:06:53] <marinero> since now I remember that once I
couldn't ssh between machines, which I never have had trouble
before
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2283[15:07:02] <gpunk> hmm
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2284[15:07:16] <marinero> Yes, it is published, share, etc
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2287[15:08:39] <gpunk> can you telnet on port 631 from the other
PCs to the printer's PC ?
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2288[15:09:02] <gpunk> to check if the port is open/accessible
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2289[15:09:34] <marinero> gpunk: It is a router that provides
different access points, which probably are translated as different
LANS. Will try that now, one second
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2292[15:10:35] <gpunk> if they are on different "lan"s
they wont see it
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2297[15:15:05] <marinero> gpunk: thanks for directing my
attention to that,, it is the router, will have to check its
settings.
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2299[15:15:19] <marinero> they don't see each other
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2334[15:35:25] <aithios> sorry for that :)
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2335[15:37:18] <ben_____________> nobody is perfect ;p
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2338[15:39:12] <blackflow> If one wants to backport a package
from, say, buster to stretch, following this recommendation:
replaced-url
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2346[15:45:47] <blackflow> I suppose cloning the package's
debian git repo and using debuild (and procedures listed here:
replaced-url
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2348[15:47:19] <rant> blackflow: its as good a solution as any,
we dont really have a way to do this
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2349[15:48:06] <rant> I suppose in theory one could code a
program to act as a local apt repo/proxy that checks the
testing/unstable package versions and automates builds of simple
backports. but nothing like this has been done
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2350[15:48:27] <rant> kind of like apt-cacher but with a package
builder attached :P
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2356[15:52:53] <blackflow> rant: or maybe a simple script that
uses apt policy to check available version and compare to
what's locally installed. Really the idea is just to get some
sort of notification when it changed so the new source can be
inspected and rebuilt.
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2357[15:53:16] <blackflow> I'll figure something out, I was
just wonderig if there's an established/recommended procedure
for this.
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2359[15:53:19] <rant> blackflow: yeah a cronjob with a simple
script would be the easiest
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2360[15:53:45] <hassoon_> 'evening
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2362[15:55:11] <rant> I've never thought much about it as I
dont really backport much.. I usually am forward porting stuff that
was removed or such
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2368[15:59:20] <lintguy> How do i sett configure (Before make) to
include a specific curl library?
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2373[16:02:07] <gpunk> --with-curl=/...
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2374[16:02:08] <gpunk> ?
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2375[16:02:32] <gpunk> ./configure --help will help you
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2376[16:02:46] <gpunk> sometimes it depends of the software you
are building
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2377[16:02:48] <lintguy> Thanks! I'm a bit new with this
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2378[16:03:10] <lintguy> Normaly I'd just install libcurl
package
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2380[16:03:32] <gpunk> you need libcurl-dev
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2384[16:03:56] <lintguy> I'm building from source, old
server, old system
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2385[16:04:26] <gpunk> libcurl-dev is the package for building :)
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2386[16:04:34] <lintguy> Yes, new source
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2387[16:05:16] <lintguy> I couldn't find an apt archive for
debian 4
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2391[16:06:12] <gpunk>
replaced-url
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2393[16:06:43] <gpunk>
replaced-url
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2396[16:06:58] <lintguy> Hm
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2398[16:07:05] <n4dir> wondering why one would want to use debian
4. Is it pre-etch ?
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2400[16:07:15] <lintguy> GAH, i had spelled the name wrong
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2402[16:07:22] <lintguy> This certainly simplifies things
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2404[16:07:33] <webmind> hi, can someone recommend a manual
explaining how to make a custom debian usb-stick installer using
preseed?
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2406[16:07:45] <lintguy> It is etch
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2407[16:07:46] <webmind> got it working with pxe, but usb boot
seems quite something else
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2408[16:07:59] <n4dir> should be 10 years old, or such .
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2409[16:08:08] <lintguy> Yeah, it is
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2410[16:08:26] <n4dir> you probably have reasons to use it. well.
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2413[16:08:54] <lintguy> Will only be used on a VM, it's
some super old forum that need to work. Client have used it for 14
years…
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2415[16:09:02] <lintguy> On a live server, non-patched
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2417[16:09:37] <n4dir> the forum software won't work on
actual operating systems?
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2418[16:09:39] <lintguy> I expected malware, rootkits and the
like.. Still haven't found anything.
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2445[16:21:58] <TheSin> hey all I have libpam-ldap installed and
I keep seeing "CRON[9695]: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_ldap.so):
/lib/security/pam_ldap.so: cannot open shared object file: No such
file or directory" and "CRON[9695]: PAM adding faulty
module: pam_ldap.so" in my auth.log, I don't have a
lib/security, but there again all my pam stuff is in
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security and no other module complains, anyone
know how to fix this?
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2557[17:07:06] <rayzer> hello i need help installing pubkeys on
debian testing
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2560[17:08:27] <RoyK> rayzer: ssh_
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2561[17:08:29] <RoyK> rayzer: ssh?
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2563[17:08:50] <rayzer> not sure what you mean, beginner at
debian
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2564[17:09:14] <RoyK> what sort of public keys? for what use?
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2566[17:09:30] <rayzer> for updates
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2567[17:09:42] <RoyK> and btw, if you're new to debian,
better start with stable, not testing
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2568[17:09:43] <rayzer> says theyre not signed and disabled
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2569[17:10:05] <rayzer> i used stable before, new to testin
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2570[17:10:31] <RoyK> there's another chanel for testing,
#debian-next at irc.oftc.net
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2571[17:11:00] <rayzer> let me try paste my terminal info might
help
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2573[17:11:24] <petn-randall> !debian-next
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2574[17:11:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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2575[17:11:46] <rayzer> et:1
replaced-url
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2576[17:12:07] <rayzer> something like that
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2577[17:12:22] <RoyK> rayzer: still wrong channel
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2578[17:12:24] <mnuhmnuh> rayzer: next time, paste.debian.net
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2581[17:13:03] <rayzer> that section that showed was one of 2
keys im missing
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2582[17:13:39] <RoyK> mugai: it was only one line…
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2583[17:13:44] <mnuhmnuh> aptitude search keyring
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2584[17:13:45] <rayzer> tried a few tutorials and got such errors
as no openGPG or else no data
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2587[17:14:46] * greycat googles NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010
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2588[17:14:53] <RoyK> rayzer: erm - two of us have pointed out
it's the wrong IRC channel for testing
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2589[17:14:56] <mnuhmnuh> doesn't like Ign:2
replaced-url
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2591[17:15:09] <rayzer> what was it again roy ill try there
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2592[17:15:19] <rayzer> thanks though
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2593[17:15:32] <greycat> rayzer: /msg dpkg debian-next
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2594[17:15:41] <rayzer> thanks
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2595[17:15:44] <greycat> (or, like, scroll up 10 lines)
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2612[17:24:02] <shtrb> What tool is suggested If I wish to allow
user to perform graphical login to plasma+sddm installation over
network ?
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2615[17:24:47] <gribouille> hi
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2616[17:24:57] <mnuhmnuh> !hi
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2617[17:24:57] <dpkg> hello, mnuhmnuh
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2619[17:26:10] <gribouille> I use LVM for my system; df tells me
that the system is mounted on /dev/dm-3; is there a command that can
tell me which LV it is?
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2621[17:26:41] <jelly> gribouille: silly way: ls -la /dev/mapper/
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2625[17:27:22] <gribouille> jelly, I would rather have a command
that tells me directly
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2628[17:28:44] <jelly> gribouille: cat /sys/block/dm-3/dm/name
maybe?
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2633[17:30:02] <jelly> there are all sorts of interesting things
about block devices (disks) under /sys/block/
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2663[17:47:54] <tw> gribouille: lsblk
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2667[17:49:48] <mnuhmnuh> tw: pretty.
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2670[17:50:21] <tw> if you need parsing, lvs -o lv_name,lv_path
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2671[17:50:45] <tw> not the greatest though, because people can
put dumb characters in those names.
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2715[18:07:29] <gribouille> mnuhmnuh, I dont want to parse df
output; and I don't know pydf
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2736[18:14:24] <mnuhmnuh> colourised df(1)-clone
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2738[18:14:54] <mnuhmnuh> also pretty.
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2741[18:15:00] <praveenbatman> Hi everyone - what is a good open
source TR-069 and cwmp package I can download for our phone and
computers?
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2755[18:21:01] <Panic-Kernel> asd
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2776[18:29:13] <mnuhmnuh> gawd, i wish people didn't say
things like "TR-069 and cwmp package I can download" this
early am.
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2781[18:29:51] <mnuhmnuh> #debian-offtopic?
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2790[18:32:38] <mnuhmnuh> what does "TR-069 and cwmp package
I can download" mean?
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2792[18:33:53] <shtrb> a client I guess
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2793[18:33:56] <shtrb> or a server
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2794[18:34:01] <shtrb> depeend on the user
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2804[18:37:23] <shtrb> praveenbatman, do you plan to build your
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2811[18:41:50] <praveenbatman> @shtrb - I want to build my own
server and I will use SIP phones and DSL modems to connect to it to
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2814[18:41:56] <praveenbatman> I would like something with a GUI
preferrably
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2815[18:42:43] <shtrb> praveenbatman, you need to choose a decent
ACS (or you can use your favorite web server and some scripting
language)
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2816[18:42:53] <shtrb> but your CPEs need to be able to access it
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2824[18:44:19] <praveenbatman> shtrb - what is a decent ACS that
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2825[18:44:52] <shtrb> none
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2826[18:45:25] <shtrb> but if you are going that way you have a
reason to do so
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2827[18:45:26] <praveenbatman> any scripts you would recommend if
I use apache
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2828[18:45:27] <praveenbatman> ?
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package with a GUI but if not as you suggested I can scripts with
apache but I don't want to reinvent the wheel
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2835[18:46:46] <shtrb> If you are going the TR069 way, I assume
you already check the alternatives . few minutes of google pointed
me to several ACS on github and SF (didn't use any of them)
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maintaned
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with the ISP ACS
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2846[18:49:20] <shtrb> because if you manage take over the ISPs
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2953[19:41:33] <v4char> some can help?
replaced-url
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2954[19:41:47] <v4char> debina 9 using kernel 4.9.0-5-amd64
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2957[19:43:33] <annadane> not recommended to use make as root
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2959[19:43:40] <annadane> also,
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2960[19:43:43] <annadane> !localized errors
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2961[19:43:43] <dpkg> To provide command output in English
instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one
(e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get
-f install".
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2982[19:59:48] <tw> useful, thanks.
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2988[20:03:54] <jelly> v4char: what are you trying to achieve?
headers are not a full source tree.
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2996[20:09:08] <OS-33679> hey
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2997[20:09:19] <OS-33679> this is OSCP channel ?
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2998[20:09:40] <somiaj> this is #debian
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3000[20:10:37] <jelly> what is OSCP?
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3007[20:12:55] <annadane> there's a lot of people with
OS-numbers names
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3041[20:30:45] <jan6> hi, for some reason it looks like once my
bluetooth headphones go out of a2dp range, they fallback to hsp/hfp
mode and low-quality audio, but, even once I get back in front of
the computer I can't reconnect as a2dp, it shows the option,
but resets to hsp/hfp as soon as I close the window and never really
changes the settings...
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it, but now I've done a complete reinstall to stable and
it's still a thing (I wiped the partition)
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3141[21:09:06] <Nezoriel> Hi i think to buy a Lenovo ThinkPad
W540 it has a Intel HD Graphics 4600 NVIDIA Quadro K1100M Optimus -
2 GB hyrid graphicscard any one has experience with this?
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3147[21:10:18] <Nezoriel> the other option is a Lenovo ThinkPad
W541.
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3151[21:11:23] <toolz> hello, are these errors,
replaced-url
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3155[21:12:38] <Henry151> i just got a lenovo thinkpad p51 and
most things are working nicely...
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3157[21:13:50] <Henry151> the hdmi output i haven't figured
out yet, and the fingerprint reader, and the volume buttons, but
everything else worked right out of box (had to get the iwlwifi
firmware for the wifi)
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3158[21:14:12] <Nezoriel> thanks this sounds good, i have very
good experience too with lenovo use a T430 at the moment.
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3160[21:14:23] <Henry151> i'm sure i'll get the hdmi
and the volume buttons to work, but from what i've read the
fingerprint reader may prove challenging
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3169[21:18:02] <Nezoriel> thanks for the information
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3212[21:42:39] <mbnt> Hey, has anyone here sucessfully installed
and ran the AMDGPUPRo drivers?
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3217[21:43:27] <MaxLanar> Hi, I just discovered the rtcwake
command. It is exactly what I need, seems wonderful. I just wonder
how I can modify or cancel programmed waking time. Say I used
rtcwake to programmed the pc in my bedroom to wake up at 4am, but I
change my mind and don't want to be disturbed by the sound of a
running pc until 5 am. How can I control that ?
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3219[21:44:30] <annadane> mbnt, as far as drivers are concerned
you shouldn't install from the manufacturer's website, in
general
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3221[21:44:41] <annadane> not sure if there's a debian pkg
for it
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3223[21:45:47] <mbnt> annadane, I am trying to do video editing
in Linux and it seems an exercise in futility
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3226[21:46:25] <mbnt> I can run hefty programs like premiere pro
and after effects on windows with my machine, on Linux, I cannot
seem to run anything without a crash or lock up or transquilized
slowdown
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3227[21:46:40] <mbnt> for video
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3228[21:46:45] <greycat> ,v xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
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3229[21:46:46] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu on amd64
-- jessie-backports: 1.2.0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.2.0-1+b1; buster:
1.4.0-1; sid: 1.4.0-1
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3230[21:46:51] <mbnt> For games, I ran 0AD and it flew seamlessly
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3231[21:46:54] <greycat> beyond that I know nothing
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3232[21:47:25] <mbnt> judd, Is that the AMDGPUPRO?
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3233[21:47:41] <greycat> judd's a bot
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3234[21:47:43] <mbnt> I figure it *might* be a driver thing
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3235[21:48:03] <mbnt> greycat, Ahh, pfff
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3236[21:48:06] <nest> hi all, is it normal to have nfs-common
service off on a nfsv3 server with jessie?
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3237[21:48:43] <mbnt> greycat, Is that AMDGPUPRO?
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3238[21:49:10] <greycat> ,info xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
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3239[21:49:11] <judd> Package xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu (x11,
optional) in stretch/amd64: X.Org X server -- AMDGPU display driver.
Version: 1.2.0-1+b1; Size: 85.1k; Installed: 201k
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3240[21:49:18] <greycat> Says "AMDGPU display driver"
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3241[21:49:32] <mbnt> greycat, Does it work?
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3242[21:49:37] <greycat> 15:46 greycat> beyond that I know
nothing
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3243[21:49:55] <mbnt> Goes back to my original question
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3244[21:50:03] <mbnt> Hey, has anyone here sucessfully installed
and ran the AMDGPUPRo drivers?
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3247[21:50:50] <jpw> nest: i'm not sure about the nfs-common
service. the unit that runs the nfs server is called
nfs-kernel-server
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3249[21:52:12] <nest> I have problems with the service
nfs-kernel-server: I need to start it twice to make it work and I
noticed that nfs-common is masked. This box was upgraded from jessie
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3256[21:54:31] <nest> jpw: thanks ... what about nfs-common?
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3257[21:54:57] <greycat> That's basically the client.
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3261[21:55:36] <jpw> it's required. but not a clue what it
does
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3262[21:55:50] <greycat> Read "dpkg -s nfs-common".
Says it's also used on the server.
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3263[21:55:54] <Tarrasquero> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
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3264[21:56:32] <Tarrasquero> sry
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3267[21:57:55] <nest> greycat: thanks, nfs-kernel-server depends
on nfs-common, I'm just trying to understand why the service
nfs-common is masked (because I didn't mask it)
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3268[21:58:10] <greycat> It shouldn't be.
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3271[21:58:41] <greycat> Or... hmm, it's showing masked on
my computer as well.
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3272[21:58:43] <jelly> nest: nfs-common init script is replaced
by a bunch of separate systemd units, it gets masked for a reason.
what does "systemctl status nfs-server.service" before you
restart anything?
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3275[21:59:40] <greycat> The real question is whether everything
is *working* as expected.
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3276[21:59:41] <jelly> nest: or even "service
nfs-kernel-server status"
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3278[22:00:20] <jelly> nest: do your nfs exports not work before
you restart things?
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3280[22:00:37] <fasdfd> anybody using dehydrated? What config
options did you edit?
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3281[22:00:52] <nest> hi jelly: status is green
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3283[22:01:08] <nest> but active (exited)
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3284[22:01:25] <nest> then at the bottom of the messages there is
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3285[22:01:26] <jelly> nest: right after reboot? pastebin the
whole output.
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3286[22:01:26] <nest> nfs-server.service: cgroup is empty
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3287[22:01:39] <nest> fs-server.service: Failed to send unit
change signal for nfs-server.service: Connection reset by peer
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3288[22:01:41] <jelly> and the command you ran as well.
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3289[22:01:44] <jelly> !paste
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3290[22:01:44] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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3291[22:02:26] <nest> jelly can you please take a look at this
log before I reboot?
replaced-url
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3292[22:02:26] <greycat> fasdfd: I'm using it. You need to
change the ... uh... I'd better just make a paste thingy.
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3293[22:03:12] <nest> jelly: there is a process running on the
server I prefere not to stop
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3294[22:03:15] <greycat> fasdfd:
replaced-url
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3296[22:03:37] <nest> but .. of course I can reboot if needed
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3298[22:03:57] <jelly> nest: and that is output from
"systemctl status nfs-kernel.service", before you did any
manual restarts?
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3299[22:04:49] <jelly> there's all sorts of crap in there
that I'm not going to bother to visually grep -v, sorry
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3300[22:05:14] <greycat> fasdfd: plus of course the changes in
the web server configuration to point to the acme-challenges
directory.
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3301[22:05:14] <nest> jelly: I'm sorry for asking ...
rebooting right now
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3302[22:05:53] * jelly goes back to ds9 reruns for a bit
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3327[22:21:09] <nest> jelly: naturally now I'm not able to
replicate the issue
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3340[22:30:30] <fasdfd> greycat, thanks, I don't think
I'd figure out nginx reload can be done this way
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3344[22:31:42] <greycat> P.S. that's a wheezy system, but it
shouldn't change much in newer releases
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3355[22:39:59] <chocolate> olebrom: hello
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3388[23:00:08] <mbnt> greycat you there?
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3394[23:02:54] <mbnt> Debian 8.8.10 is stable?
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3395[23:03:17] <mbnt> or is it 8.10
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3397[23:03:38] <mbnt> I notice a significant kernel jump
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3409[23:09:46] <RedSoxFan08> mbnt: Debian 8 is Old Stable.
Current Stable is Debian 9. Testing is Debian 10, which is what
I'm running - with the exception of Firefox 57, which is from
Sid.
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3412[23:10:45] <mbnt> RedSoxFan08, What kernel is 9 running?
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3413[23:11:06] <zerocool> is 10 cool?
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3414[23:11:06] <RedSoxFan08> mbnt: That's a good question. I
don't have an answer for it though.
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3415[23:11:28] <vectr0n> 4.9.65-3+deb9u2
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