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• 6[00:01:29] <deepesh> replaced-url
• 7[00:01:31] <somiaj> maxcell_: why do you think you need the virtualbox-guest package?
• 8[00:01:40] <somiaj> ,i virtualbox-guest
• 9[00:01:41] <judd> No package named 'virtualbox-guest' was found in stretch/amd64.
• 10[00:01:58] <somiaj> also where are you getting this virtualbox-guest package?
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• 12[00:02:01] <somiaj> ,v virtualbox-guest
• 13[00:02:02] <judd> No package named 'virtualbox-guest' was found in amd64.
• 14[00:02:08] <hypn0> buster
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• 16[00:02:14] <somiaj> what is the actual package name?
• 17[00:02:37] <maxcell_> somiaj: i'm on buster bro
• 18[00:02:45] <hypn0> oh
• 19[00:02:46] <somiaj> debian contains no package called virtualbox-guest
• 20[00:02:46] <maxcell_> this channel support buster now right?
• 21[00:02:56] <RoyK> !testing
• 22[00:02:56] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
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• 24[00:03:23] <maxcell_> sorry i read the topic and it says OFTC to unstable, but i'm on buster so i thought it was supported here as well
• 25[00:03:28] <somiaj> buster is almost released, so questions can be asked either place, but I want to know the exact package you want to install. Debian doesn't have a package called 'virtualbox-guest' from as far as I can tell.
• 26[00:04:04] <hypn0> that was stretch?
• 27[00:04:11] <maxcell_> virtualbox-guest-additions-iso/testing,testing,now 6.0.4-1 all
• 28[00:04:31] <somiaj> why do you want to install that iso? What is your goal, is this a host machine or a guest?
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• 31[00:04:56] <somiaj> Also note virtualbox-guest-additions-iso is a different package, than virtualbox-guest, please use full package names, helps people double check things
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• 34[00:05:20] <maxcell_> what i wanna reach is simple, i want to install Android on Virtualbox on Debian. I want it to have guest additions to be able to use the hardware as i intended.
• 35[00:06:19] <RoyK> qemu should work
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• 37[00:06:53] <somiaj> that package should not be removing virtualbox, unless you have installed it from somewhere other than debian.
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• 39[00:07:10] <somiaj> Also unsure if the addons on the iso work on andriod guests or not.
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• 41[00:07:46] <somiaj> maxcell_: paste the output of 'apt install virtualbox-guest-additions-iso' at paste.debian.net (so we can see the actual problem), also paste the output of 'apt policy' and 'apt policy pkg1 pkg2 ...' for any packges listed that could be causing problems.
• 42[00:07:46] <maxcell_> Debian repositories did not have any version of VirtualBox on available so, yeah, i add the repo from Oracle and i've installed VirtualBox.
• 43[00:07:50] <somiaj> !bat
• 44[00:07:50] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 45[00:08:21] <somiaj> Debian repos contain virtualbox, it is contrib. But that is your problem right there, you are trying to link debian packages with oracle packages, this is causing the problems.
• 46[00:08:36] <somiaj> If using oracle's packages, you need to get support from oracle, as debian dosen't support the package.
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• 48[00:09:04] <maxcell_> right, i didn't found any virtualbox on debian repos before, that's why i've installed oracle repo
• 49[00:09:15] <somiaj> I just told you it is in debian, it is in contrib.
• 50[00:09:17] <somiaj> !contrib
• 51[00:09:17] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
• 52[00:09:17] <maxcell_> i have contrib and non-free activated
• 53[00:09:20] <somiaj> (not enabled by default)
• 54[00:09:24] <somiaj> ,v virtualbox
• 55[00:09:25] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.0.6-dfsg-1
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• 57[00:09:38] <maxcell_> i'm on buster
• 58[00:09:38] <somiaj> Oh I see, yea get the package from sid
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• 61[00:09:53] <maxcell_> wait, i will remove oracle repos
• 62[00:10:02] <dvs> ???
• 63[00:10:02] <somiaj> They are removing it from buster, becuse we cannot provide security support for virtualbox (due to oracle coprate policy)
• 64[00:10:03] <maxcell_> how can i get it from sid?
• 65[00:10:09] <maxcell_> i dont know how
• 66[00:10:24] <somiaj> Once buster is released, virtualbox will be provided in buster-backports.
• 67[00:10:28] <maxcell_> got it somiaj
• 68[00:10:41] <maxcell_> how can i install it from sid?
• 69[00:10:44] <somiaj> If the oracle packages are working just fine for you, you can keep using them. Just get the .iso from orcale, not from tha package in debian you are trying to install
• 70[00:10:46] <RoyK> dpkg: tell maxcell_ about sid
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• 73[00:11:01] <somiaj> basic, add sid repo to your sources.list (make sure you pin it low), and install virutal box from sid.
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• 76[00:11:28] <RoyK> or just ask on the oftc channel - sid isn't popular in here
• 77[00:11:35] <somiaj> you could just remove the sid repo after you do this. Though at this point I would be careful, since buster is about to release, you don't want to mix things. But if you want the debian package in buster, you'll have to get it from sid until after the release and it appears in backports.
• 78[00:11:44] <maxcell_> should i be using stretch package instead?
• 79[00:12:01] <somiaj> I think using the oracle package is just fine, I would just reconsider wher eyou get that .iso from.
• 80[00:12:17] <somiaj> You can just download that .iso from oracles site, put it on your machine, and tell your guests where to find it as a mount.
• 81[00:12:26] <RoyK> just don't mix packages from different distro versions
• 82[00:12:33] <RoyK> you'll just end up breaking things
• 83[00:12:46] <somiaj> So nothing wrong with using oracles package, just don't mix them with debian packages, and realize support for those packages if from oracle.
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• 85[00:13:34] <maxcell_> ok
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• 89[00:13:50] <maxcell_> i'll try to find that package from oracle but, when i search on apt it doesn't appears
• 90[00:13:56] <maxcell_> so i don't know if they have it
• 91[00:14:15] <somiaj> just grab the .iso, you don't need a package to copy an .iso to your system. Most likely why oracle doesn't have a package for it.
• 92[00:14:31] <somiaj> debian just packages the iso so it matches the version of virtualbox debian ships
• 93[00:14:33] <maxcell_> hmm
• 94[00:14:43] <somiaj> I'm sure you can download the .iso from oracle.
• 95[00:14:49] <maxcell_> got it
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• 102[00:16:12] <maxcell_> tell your guest where to find it as a mount. You are saying i need to mount the .iso before?
• 103[00:16:38] <maxcell_> Then open vbox and tell guest where it is already mounted?
• 104[00:16:39] <somiaj> when you configure the VM, you can select various hardware/mountpoints to add to it.
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• 107[00:17:11] <somiaj> You will tell your vm to create a virtual cd image, and point it at the .iso, then the .iso will be provided to the guest as a piece of hardware (a cdrom with that cd in it)
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• 110[00:17:38] <maxcell_> ohh got it
• 111[00:17:40] <somiaj> the exact process in vbox for this I know not (I use qemu mostly because I don't like oracle's corprate policy around vbox)
• 112[00:17:55] <somiaj> so the debian package just allows you to download that .iso, you would still have to do that anyways.
• 113[00:18:05] <somiaj> (there are also other methods to get drivers for virtualbox into the guest)
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• 115[00:19:17] <maxcell_> right
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• 117[00:20:06] <maxcell_> that qemu have those drivers that can speak to your hardware in a better way?
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• 122[00:23:15] <maxcell_> because i need Android to be fast, specially on video side of things (nvidia)
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• 127[00:24:21] <ChunkzZ> I reinstalled my system and made sure NetworkManager wasn't installed but it's still auto generating?
• 128[00:24:50] <somiaj> qemu has a bunch of modules that should work with an andriod guest. I think because qemu is stock in the kernel, you don't need any additional guest addons for linux based oses
• 129[00:24:53] <ChunkzZ> ameserver 194.168.4.100
• 130[00:24:55] <ChunkzZ> nameserver 194.168.8.100
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• 134[00:25:22] <somiaj> ChunkzZ: there are other ways your system can configure interfaces. Check /etc/network/interfaces (do you have anything in that file)?
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• 136[00:26:02] <ChunkzZ> yeah there's my etho etc in there
• 137[00:26:06] <dvs> dhcp?
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• 140[00:26:35] <ChunkzZ> replaced-url
• 141[00:26:37] <somiaj> if it configured via dhcp, it is your network assigining those addresses
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• 143[00:26:52] <somiaj> yup, your network is assigining those via dhcp
• 144[00:26:58] <ChunkzZ> omg
• 145[00:27:02] <ChunkzZ> how do I change it?
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• 147[00:27:34] <ChunkzZ> I edit; reboot and it goes back -.-
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• 149[00:27:46] <somiaj> what do you mean change it, what do you want it to do?
• 150[00:28:00] <ChunkzZ> I want to change the nameserver so I can use a vpn
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• 152[00:28:12] <ChunkzZ> nameserver 208.67.222.222
• 153[00:28:12] <ChunkzZ> nameserver 208.67.220.220
• 154[00:28:15] <ChunkzZ> to that
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• 156[00:28:36] <ChunkzZ> every time I edit, reboot; it's goes back
• 157[00:29:01] <somiaj> might depend on your vpn, or how you have things setup. You have various options. 1) Configure dhclient to not set the nameserver or to use your vpn ones, 2) use the resolvconf (or openresolv) package to help manage this.
• 158[00:29:07] <somiaj> there are more ways, but those are some options.
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• 160[00:29:35] <maxcell_> somiaj: thanks!
• 161[00:29:43] <ChunkzZ> how?
• 162[00:29:49] <maxcell_> somiaj: i will try qemu
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• 164[00:30:04] <maxcell_> RoyK: thank you for the help too bro
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• 168[00:31:26] <somiaj> maxcell_: I'm not quite sure what is the best way to emulate andriod, maybe ask around. I use qemu because I almost only emulate linux machines, and qemu to me is easy for linux (since it is all built into the kernel)
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• 172[00:31:48] <somiaj> ChunkzZ: pick one of those methods, if you pick one, man dhclient, or google, configure dhclient to set nameserver, if you use 2) install the package and read the docs.
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• 175[00:32:26] <szy_mat> everything is on a fresh installed Debian Stretch, on Xen dom0
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• 177[00:33:11] <ChunkzZ> somiaj, I installed resolvconf and: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
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• 181[00:34:11] <somiaj> well yea, you now use resolv.conf to configure what writes to that file, read the docs on resolv.conf, it will tell you how to configure it.
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• 183[00:34:15] <somiaj> I don't know off top of my head
• 184[00:34:29] <jhutchins> ChunkzZ: So you have to follow the instructions on how to configure the system to use your settings instead.
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• 186[00:34:48] <jhutchins> ChunkzZ: The file will be re-created on boot, configure the system to use your input.
• 187[00:34:56] <jhutchins> !resolvconf
• 188[00:34:56] <dpkg> from memory, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>
• 189[00:35:06] <somiaj> I think you can just add dns-nameserver options to your interfaces file for this
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• 197[00:40:52] <maxcell_> somiaj: i want to emulate android-x86 so, i think qemu will do it as any other linux distro?
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• 204[00:42:01] <maxcell_> i need to install qemu qemu-guest-agent and what more?
• 205[00:42:12] <somiaj> maxcell_: that is my guess, since it is based off the linux kernel, it should have all the modules already. Though unsure what sort of stuff get stripped out of andriod kernels, hence andriod people may know better.
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• 207[00:42:33] <somiaj> maxcell_: I would just install virtual-manager to have a gui (if you want one) to configure things, else yo uhave to manually do everything
• 208[00:44:05] <maxcell_> hmm i'm not seeing any virtual-manager on apt
• 209[00:44:24] <maxcell_> neighter qemu-virtual-manager or something
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• 212[00:45:14] <maxcell_> qemu-system-gui
• 213[00:45:18] <maxcell_> thats it? somiaj
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• 215[00:47:16] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: maybe you're looking for virt-manager?
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• 223[00:50:02] <maxcell_> jmcnaught: hmm there it is
• 224[00:50:13] <maxcell_> jmcnaught: it's always easier than we expect
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• 251[00:59:34] <zerocool> hi everyone, i have a strange question by google standards. with echo or printf how can i print the literal newline characters in one line?
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• 253[01:00:12] <zerocool> oh wait no im using python, that would be a better place to look
• 254[01:00:42] <rant> zerocool: echo -e
• 255[01:00:51] <rant> zerocool: echo -e "\n"
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• 258[01:03:42] <humpled> :þ
• 259[01:04:11] * rant pulls humpled's tongue
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• 261[01:04:36] <humpled> i don't know what they mean but i don't think they meant that
• 262[01:04:56] <rant> idk, that prints a literal newline
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• 264[01:05:02] <rant> literally
• 265[01:05:03] <rant> heh
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• 268[01:06:56] <rant> if you mean a string literal.. you just do echo "\"\n\""
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• 270[01:07:23] <rant> or echo '"\n"'
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• 273[01:07:58] <humpled> the question literally makes no sense
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• 278[01:09:56] <maxcell_> Hey, on QEMU there is "logic CPU's host" then -> actual alocation -> maximum alocation --- my processor is an i5 4 cores. What should i put on those in order to use maximum power all the time?
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• 285[01:12:14] <maxcell_> I can choose Manual Topology as well, and it asks me 3 questions. Sockets, Cores, and Threads. If i put 1, 4, 4 respectively the Actual Location changes to 16 minimum 64 maximum, that right??
• 286[01:12:41] <maxcell_> I mean 16 maximum***
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• 289[01:13:30] <maxcell_> and it gives a massage saying that too much alocation can cause performance issues
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• 303[01:20:22] <hermande> For those still running Exim on Debian, here is a bit of config/perl script that can turn Exim into an MTA-STS compliant sender..... replaced-url
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• 306[01:22:36] <maxcell_> Omg i'm on debian wiki right now and i'm not understanding a thing!
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• 310[01:23:47] <maxcell_> What is the right options i gotta use on Qemu in order to install Android-x86 and use the nouveau driver inside him?
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• 317[01:27:26] <humpled> maxcell_ have you tried just using 1 socket 4 cores 1 thread? because i don't think i5s hyperthread
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• 342[01:35:14] <maxcell_> humpled: i5 is 1 thread for every cores
• 343[01:35:26] <maxcell_> 1 core 1 thread, 4 cores 4 threads
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• 345[01:35:42] <maxcell_> should i put 1 instead of 4?
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• 350[01:38:23] <rant> thats not true
• 351[01:38:34] <rant> I have a core i5 in this machine, its dual core, and it has 4 threads
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• 353[01:39:23] <rant> maxcell_: replaced-url
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• 358[01:41:10] <humpled> so you would put 1 2 2 i guess
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• 362[01:41:31] <maxcell_> rant: your i5 is an laptop processor, i'm on a desktop
• 363[01:41:38] <maxcell_> intel.com i5 2500
• 364[01:41:44] <maxcell_> 4 threads, 4 cores
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• 367[01:42:09] <rant> yes well regardless to say the i5 is 1 thread per core is inaccurate.. YOUR i5 may be..
• 368[01:42:32] <maxcell_> omg dude
• 369[01:42:41] <maxcell_> you serious?
• 370[01:42:56] <humpled> “For the PC target, the number of cores per socket, the number of threads per cores and the total number of sockets can be specified.”
• 371[01:43:17] <maxcell_> we are talking about my processor to make a config on Qemu, not every processor in the world
• 372[01:43:50] <maxcell_> the only i5 for desktop that is differente from the others is 8ª generation i5's
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• 378[01:45:08] <Marge99> i have sexy body,big Ass,Nice boobs, Clean WET pussy. Trade nude selfies with me: replaced-url
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• 380[01:45:34] <humpled> well looking here replaced-url
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• 383[01:46:25] <maxcell_> yeah 8º gen or more, they are 6/6 cores, before that only 4/4
• 384[01:46:28] <humpled> there are plenty of different kinds now, rant is quite correct, i misspoke, nevertheless you don't have 16 or 64 threads
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• 386[01:47:19] <maxcell_> nice so we are set
• 387[01:47:26] <maxcell_> my i5 is 4/4
• 388[01:48:05] <maxcell_> i won't discuss details about the mysterys of the world i only wanna config the qemu at this point
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• 391[01:50:21] <maxcell_> well, nevermind
• 392[01:50:26] <maxcell_> thanks anyways
• 393[01:51:01] <maxcell_> sorry i'm a little frustrated
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• 396[01:51:29] <maxcell_> not your fault rant
• 397[01:52:09] <maxcell_> you weren't trying to be an ass i gess
• 398[01:52:15] <maxcell_> just seems that way to me
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• 402[01:54:29] <rant> I don't need to try.. I'm an ass.. heh
• 403[01:54:48] <rant> but in this case, I was just trying to point out the flaws in your logic
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• 431[02:08:24] <maxcell_> rant: the logic i was trying to say was, i5 is already 4/4 or 6/6, you were only right about laptop's i5. the same wont apply to desktop processors
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• 433[02:08:37] <maxcell_> already = always
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• 437[02:12:34] <rant> again, your logic is severly flawed
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• 455[02:15:28] <rant> it'd be more accurate to say that all dual-core Core i support HT (2 threads per core)
• 456[02:15:55] <rant> the lack of HT is exclusive not to i5, but to QUAD CORE i5 .. and only the older gen ones
• 457[02:16:02] <maxcell_> rant there is no Dual core i5 for desktop
• 458[02:16:07] <maxcell_> only 4 or 6
• 459[02:16:39] <maxcell_> every core has only one thread, in all versions of i5 for desktops
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• 463[02:17:34] <maxcell_> no, there is not a version of i5 for desktops that supports HT, even the last ones, 8º and 9º gen are all 6/6
• 464[02:17:37] <maxcell_> afaik
• 465[02:18:15] <maxcell_> if you find an i5 with HT tell me, i may buy it someday
• 466[02:18:42] <rant> Intel Core i5-7400
• 467[02:18:48] <rant> just to name one of many
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• 469[02:18:52] <rant> replaced-url
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• 471[02:19:09] <bindi> 4c/4t
• 472[02:19:16] <maxcell_> 4/4 too rant
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• 474[02:19:19] <maxcell_> not HT
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• 476[02:19:38] <maxcell_> bro, your good no doubt but you are wrong about that
• 477[02:19:45] <maxcell_> just stop
• 478[02:19:49] <maxcell_> please
• 479[02:20:03] <maxcell_> it doesn't make sense at this point anymore
• 480[02:20:16] <maxcell_> we are altering laws of physics with this talk
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• 482[02:20:29] <maxcell_> just forget about it
• 483[02:20:31] <mplsjoker> I was just installing from a USB and Debian
• 484[02:20:32] <rant> heh
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• 486[02:20:52] <mplsjoker> said that there were exsiting OSs installed using bios compatability mode
• 487[02:21:10] <mplsjoker> but I have never installed anything in bios comp mode
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• 489[02:21:51] <rant> sorry to hear that
• 490[02:22:13] <rant> I install EVERYTHING (Debian is all I install) in bios compatibility mode :P
• 491[02:22:23] <rant> since we're sharing
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• 495[02:24:02] <rant> chances are this is a result of an os-prober looking at the ESP and then the partition table, and finding something bootable thats not in the ESP
• 496[02:24:09] <rant> a recovery partition perhaps
• 497[02:24:35] <rant> maybe even the install media itself for all I know
• 498[02:25:31] <rant> regardless there is no question in there I can see
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• 536[02:56:15] <tom_work> Is it possible to use a concatnated zone file with bind9 in Debian?
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• 538[02:56:54] <tom_work> instead of putting every single zone in it's own file, and having 5 lines in the config for bind
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• 561[03:11:56] <xormor_GNU> so how many of you have moved on to buster?
• 562[03:12:06] <xormor_GNU> when will it be "stable"?
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• 580[03:24:17] <tom_work> Is it possible to use a concatnated zone file with bind9 in Debian?
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• 582[03:24:20] <tom_work> instead of putting every single zone in it's own file, and having 5 lines in the config for bind
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• 607[03:40:57] <tom_work> Is it possible to use a concatnated zone file with bind9 in Debian?
• 608[03:40:59] <tom_work> instead of putting every single zone in it's own file, and having 5 lines in the config for bind
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• 620[03:46:20] <themill> tom_work: Sort of. replaced-url
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• 624[03:46:59] <themill> (I know that bind is a relic but I'm not sure why you'd want to go back in time to the most hideous ways of configuring it possible)
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• 627[03:48:34] <tom_work> themill, because as soon as i;ve enabled AXFR and transfered the zones to linode, i'm going to delete the server
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• 633[03:50:39] <tom_work> the old provider refused to enable AXFR for the zones and instead provided a file which seems to be ~600 zones concated into 1 file
• 634[03:50:52] <tom_work> I'm not sure what i'm supposed to do with this
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• 641[03:53:27] <m0rd3cai> does anyone know what these errors usually mean or are referring to?
• 642[03:53:29] <m0rd3cai> May 31 11:07:51 raptor-host kern.warn kernel: dhd_prot_ioctl: status ret value is -23
• 643[03:53:32] <m0rd3cai> May 31 11:07:51 raptor-host kern.warn kernel: dhd_prot_ioctl: status ret value is -23
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• 645[03:53:38] <m0rd3cai> May 31 11:07:51 raptor-host kern.warn kernel: dhd_prot_ioctl: status ret value is -23
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• 650[03:56:58] <tom_work> it keeps complaining there's not an SOA record at the top of the file
• 651[03:57:00] <tom_work> but there is
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• 654[03:58:53] <tom_work> example.com. 3600 IN SOA ns.example.com. hostmaster.example.com. (bunchofnumbers)
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• 657[04:00:39] <tom_work> i don't know why it's not taking it
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• 659[04:01:52] <tom_work> SOA record not at top of zone
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• 731[04:52:24] <metreo> I'm trying to install a older version of `ghc` using `apt` is this possible?
• 732[04:52:54] <metreo> sudo apt install ghc=8.0.2
• 733[04:52:54] <metreo> E: Version '8.0.2' for 'ghc' was not found
• 734[04:53:12] <metreo> So not found = not existing
• 735[04:53:26] <dvs> ,v ghc
• 736[04:53:27] <judd> Package: ghc on amd64 -- jessie: 7.6.3-21; stretch: 8.0.1-17+b1; buster: 8.4.4+dfsg1-2; sid: 8.4.4+dfsg1-2; experimental: 8.6.4+dfsg1-1
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• 738[04:54:11] <metreo> I'm on sid currently. So I need to add the source for stretch?
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• 742[04:55:49] <metreo> What about installing and using multiple versions simultaneously?
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• 745[04:57:52] <dvs> That's a no-no
• 746[04:57:56] <dvs> !frankendebian
• 747[04:57:57] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
• 748[04:58:43] <metreo> I was worried that might be the case. Opam handles this nicely, Haskell is seemingly bifurcated due to versioning headaches.
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• 754[05:01:02] <metreo> Nothing wrong with Debian of course :-[
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• 834[06:03:48] <_Random_> just installed mxlinux , don't understand why this install has not shown in file manager the other linux partitions, how do I add them so file manager gan see them.
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• 839[06:09:13] <bigMouthCommie> fairly fresh install of v9.8, i tried xfce but i'm not happy with all my cofigs. i want to switch back to gnome, but i know that i allowed xfce to switch me to lightdm.
• 840[06:09:40] <bigMouthCommie> i'm fairly confident that there is a dpkg --reconfigure command i can pass to make gnome prompt me to switch back, but idk what it is
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• 856[06:21:26] <annadane> gnome should already allow you to without dpkg-reconfigure
• 857[06:22:50] <mishehu> if I install a package, say opensips, and it has a problem with its systemd unit file. so I want to have another package (mytools) that contains other files in it to also include an updated systemd unit file for opensips in it, and I want it to overwrite the existing one. in the control file for mytools, do I need to define it as "replaces opensips" ? or will that cause the removal of opensips files
• 858[06:22:56] <mishehu> when mytools is installed?
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• 973[07:54:30] <TomyWork> i tried to install a package but there were conflicts. now it's in state "in", according to dpkg -l, implying that i desire to install it, but that it's not installed. How do i get that thing out of the system?
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• 976[07:55:20] <TomyWork> dpkg --purge only got it to "unknown
• 977[07:55:20] * dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up only got it to "unknown all over tomywork and dreamer...
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• 979[07:56:04] <TomyWork> wat
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• 981[07:56:35] <TomyWork> actually nm, i just realized this is an ubuntu, not a debian
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• 1084[09:16:35] <lupulo> hi
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• 1092[09:25:08] <dreamer> eh, what?
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• 1098[09:32:10] <rkd> I'm hitting a 'cycle found while processing triggers' error (replaced-url
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• 1100[09:32:54] <rkd> package-A has a package-A.triggers file saying "interest package-C" and "interest package-D", and package-C has a package-C.triggers file saying "activate package-C". (This is because if package-C is installed or upgraded, I want to reconfigure package-A to start using it). package-B has a package-B.triggers file saying "interest package-B". (I want to restart package-B if any of twenty other packages are installed, as they
• 1101[09:32:55] <rkd> put config files for it into place, so they have 'activate package-B').
• 1102[09:33:22] <rkd> Does any of that sound like an invalid use of triggers?
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• 1127[09:48:42] <maxcell_> hi, i recently found out Anbox, it is an Android emulator that uses a container to run Android apps. It needs 2 modules for the kernel tho, ashmem and binder. Can i install those on Debian?
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• 1131[09:50:23] <Fox> maxcell_: you don't have these on stretch stock kernel, you'll have to use backports kernel
• 1132[09:50:37] <maxcell_> i'm on buster actually Fox
• 1133[09:50:54] <at0m> maxcell_: it's been a while, but i did run anbox on buster
• 1134[09:51:00] <Fox> I don't know about buster kernel, sorry, this channel is for stable :)
• 1135[09:51:04] <maxcell_> help me guys
• 1136[09:51:06] <Fox> !debian-next
• 1137[09:51:06] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1138[09:51:13] <at0m> Fox: /topic has recently changed
• 1139[09:51:14] <petn-randall> Support for buster is fine in here.
• 1140[09:51:18] <at0m> ^
• 1141[09:51:22] <Fox> oh, did see that, thx at0m
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• 1143[09:51:27] <Fox> didn't
• 1144[09:51:30] <maxcell_> Fox: they said earlier to me that buster is almost stable so the channel is supporting
• 1145[09:51:34] <petn-randall> maxcell_: Both modules are in the buster kernel.
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• 1147[09:52:03] <petn-randall> Yes, the opers agreed on that we'll also support buster in here.
• 1148[09:52:05] <at0m> maxcell_: so, it sounds like you're all set for anbox :)
• 1149[09:52:23] <maxcell_> ok so, no need to install anything else?
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• 1151[09:52:32] <maxcell_> just lxc and anbox?
• 1152[09:52:38] <at0m> petn-randall: technically speaking, opers are admins on the irc /server/
• 1153[09:52:47] <at0m> admins are channel operators
• 1154[09:53:40] <maxcell_> at0m: do i need to run Anbox through LXC?
• 1155[09:53:40] <petn-randall> maxcell_: anbox is also part of buster. So I'd say just install it and then try it and see.
• 1156[09:53:50] <petn-randall> at0m: oh, right.
• 1157[09:53:54] <jelly> ,v anbox
• 1158[09:53:55] <judd> Package: anbox on amd64 -- stretch-backports/contrib: 0.0~git20181014-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1; sid/contrib: 0.0~git20190124-1
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• 1160[09:54:02] <maxcell_> petn-randall: really? it will run using the hardware and all?
• 1161[09:54:06] <at0m> maxcell_: yea no need for lxc, afaik
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• 1163[09:54:12] <maxcell_> wow
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• 1165[09:54:43] <petn-randall> maxcell_: Try it and see.
• 1166[09:54:45] <jelly> it's packaged, but that does not always mean it runs (well)
• 1167[09:54:50] <maxcell_> i literally being all day trying to install android-x86 on a virtualbox/qemu without luck regarding performance
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• 1171[09:55:34] <maxcell_> let's try it out
• 1172[09:55:37] <maxcell_> :)
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• 1174[09:56:22] <jelly> maxcell_: apt-cache show anbox shows a Description with a pointer where to find more docs
• 1175[09:57:19] <maxcell_> jelly: i was reading their website, it says you only need ashmem and binder modules DKMS for kernel and install Anbox through Snap
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• 1177[09:58:29] <maxcell_> i was trying to find a way to install those modules, are we sure we have it already out-of-the-box?
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• 1184[10:03:11] <petn-randall> maxcell_: If in doubt, look for yourself.
• 1185[10:03:38] <petn-randall> maxcell_: `modinfo <kernelmodulename>` will give you info about it, if it exists.
• 1186[10:03:38] <maxcell_> petn-randall: i can't, but thanks anyway
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• 1188[10:03:41] <maxcell_> thats ok
• 1189[10:03:51] <maxcell_> hmm
• 1190[10:03:52] <maxcell_> ok
• 1191[10:03:54] <petn-randall> maxcell_: Why can't you?
• 1192[10:03:57] <at0m> hmm modinfo: ERROR: Module binder not found, same for ashmem.
• 1193[10:04:02] <at0m> but apt show android-androresolvd
• 1194[10:04:04] <maxcell_> petn-randall: don't know how
• 1195[10:04:04] <at0m> that has them
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• 1197[10:04:22] <petn-randall> maxcell_: I just gave you the literal command.
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• 1200[10:04:35] <maxcell_> petn-randall: module ashmem or binder not found
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• 1202[10:04:41] <petn-randall> They're called ashmem_linux and binder_linux.
• 1203[10:04:42] <at0m> maxcell_: apt show android-androresolvd
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• 1206[10:05:07] <at0m> petn-randall: oh, right!
• 1207[10:05:24] <at0m> the appended _linux does it
• 1208[10:05:34] <maxcell_> at0m: i saw this before, i think it's ashmem
• 1209[10:06:10] <maxcell_> petn-randall: it says in-tree
• 1210[10:06:31] <lupulo> at0m, compile the kernel or search the module and compile it
• 1211[10:06:31] <maxcell_> if it's in-tree it's already loaded?
• 1212[10:06:42] <at0m> maxcell_: /sbin/modinfo binder_linux ; /sbin/modinfo ashmem_linux
• 1213[10:06:45] <lupulo> at0m, plus you need headers
• 1214[10:06:58] <at0m> lupulo: no need. this is stock 4.19.0-4-amd64
• 1215[10:07:26] <at0m> lupulo: it's maxcell_ that's looking for support, not me.
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• 1221[10:08:13] <at0m> but afaik they're in stock buster kernel, so no need to compile or get headers
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• 1224[10:09:54] <maxcell_> so, as it is built-in no need to load the module, it is already working, right?
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• 1227[10:11:35] <at0m> maxcell_: i would guess so. just apt install anbox (and its depends that it pulls in, if any aren't installed already)
• 1228[10:13:15] <maxcell_> ok, sorry for many questions
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• 1230[10:14:01] <at0m> maxcell_: no worries :)
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• 1246[10:26:24] <petn-randall> maxcell_: Both kernel modules are shipped with the standard kernel from buster. As I said, you can verify this yourself with the commands I gave you. There's no need to ask thrice.
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• 1248[10:27:17] <petn-randall> maxcell_: modinfo only tells you about the module. You'd use `modprobe` to load it, but I'm guessing that anbox already does the job automatically.
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• 1300[11:03:29] <lupulo> why? qemu-arm -L /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/ -> ./main -> Profiling timer expired
• 1301[11:03:41] <lupulo> why? qemu-arm -L /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/ ./main -> Profiling timer expired
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• 1319[11:15:18] <petn-randall> !ask
• 1320[11:15:18] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1321[11:15:37] <petn-randall> lupulo: See above. What are you trying to do?
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• 1375[11:44:29] <uio> Hi. I'm using LXDE and xfce4-power-manager. I can't get the manager to manage. Just an example : it won't display a message at 15% battery left. Another: it won't suspend the laptop after a certain period of inactivity. How can I fix this? Are there other tools that would work better with LXDE?
• 1376[11:45:07] <zamuro> LXDE has its own power manager.
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• 1380[11:45:53] <uio> zamuro, Ah. That could suspend, and give notifs?
• 1381[11:46:37] <uio> zamuro, I can't find anything about it... I don't think there is one.
• 1382[11:46:46] <zamuro> It notifies, indeed. As per suspending, most likely.
• 1383[11:47:01] <uio> zamuro, Would you have the exact name of the package?
• 1384[11:47:27] <zamuro> It's like an panel applet. I've got an Lubuntu installed on an old laptop and it has power manager.
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• 1387[11:48:01] <uio> zamuro, Ah - maybe there is something for Lubuntu, but I'm on Debian.
• 1388[11:48:30] <zamuro> Never used LXDE on debian TBH. On arch and ubuntu.
• 1389[11:48:33] <mrig> Hello, is there a password to return back into a live usb session, after the screen locks?
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• 1391[11:48:39] <uio> zamuro, I also have it working on Lubuntu (perhaps another example of how Debian is not user-friendly...) but can't get it to work on Debian.
• 1392[11:48:49] <uio> *can't find it on Debian.
• 1393[11:48:53] <mrig> I am using debian 9.9 gnome, live cd
• 1394[11:49:37] <uio> mrig, Not sure, maybe just root?
• 1395[11:49:51] <uio> mrig, or guest?
• 1396[11:49:52] <zamuro> uio Have you tried running xfce4-power-manager-settings?
• 1397[11:50:04] <uio> zamuro, Yep, I am right now.
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• 1399[11:50:18] <mrig> uio I will try that, thank you, I think the lock on sleep is turned off now, but just in case.
• 1400[11:50:22] <uio> zamuro, Have been for months now, but can't get it to work properly.
• 1401[11:50:24] <zamuro> To no avail, I presume.
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• 1403[11:50:49] <zamuro> I see. Sorry for not being of much help.
• 1404[11:51:05] <mrig> I am stuck and can no longer install debian after using it for a couple of years, no idea why :(
• 1405[11:51:25] <uio> zamuro, No worries. It is odd: on Lubuntu it works great, but not on Debian. Alas.
• 1406[11:51:27] <Gasoline> why can't you install it?
• 1407[11:52:46] <mrig> Gasoline, I thought that it might be a UEFI issue, but that appears to be working okay, the UEFI graphical install is workink, it just fails at the install system step, with no further details.
• 1408[11:53:16] <Gasoline> I was having a problem with it picking up my cd drive
• 1409[11:53:29] <Gasoline> came across an article that helped me finally
• 1410[11:53:39] <uio> Would it be possible to use the Lubuntu power-management on Debian?
• 1411[11:53:41] <Gasoline> just had to unplug the usb for a few seconds
• 1412[11:54:02] <mrig> ah, I dont have a cd drive but have moved the cd usb to a different location in the listing.
• 1413[11:54:19] <mrig> that is after that it started to refuse to install though.
• 1414[11:54:51] <mrig> I am beginning to really suspect foul play. It is as if it just hits something that stops it.
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• 1416[11:55:06] <uio> Apparently Lubuntu uses xfce4-power-manager... replaced-url
• 1417[11:55:10] <mrig> Gasoline do you remember the link?
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• 1421[11:55:41] <Gasoline> I'm looking for it now
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• 1423[11:55:57] <mrig> Thank you very much.
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• 1426[11:58:36] <Gasoline> I can't find it atm but I'll keep looking
• 1427[11:59:05] <Gasoline> but if I remember right what I did was unplug the usb when it stalled and waited 30 seconds
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• 1429[11:59:19] <Gasoline> plug it back in and hit enter
• 1430[11:59:25] <Gasoline> or try that step again
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• 1435[12:02:33] <Gasoline> I really shoulda saved that link cause I'm sure I'll need it again someday
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• 1437[12:02:52] <mrig> Gasoline, thank you for the tip, I have had a similar comment in linux, will go and try this now.
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• 1439[12:03:14] <lupulo> qemu-arm Profiling timer expired
• 1440[12:03:18] <lupulo> why?
• 1441[12:03:23] <mrig> they did not mention unplugging though so this is grat to have extra options.
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• 1443[12:03:37] <mrig> great
• 1444[12:03:42] <Gasoline> I found a similar post about kali linux
• 1445[12:03:47] <Gasoline> replaced-url
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• 1447[12:04:03] <Gasoline> not the same one I used but looks like the same deal
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• 1451[12:04:31] <sorokinvic> Hi! Is there a way to revert Thunar theme in Buster to the Stretch one (striped rows and dotted lines btwn columns) ?
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• 1539[12:49:52] <Nong> apt update && apt upgrade && -yes
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• 1576[13:09:22] <m1dnight_> I have a noobie question. I installed a fresh install of stretch, and want to install texlive-full, but that depends on asymptote. That package doesn't want to install because it needs libosmesa6 (>= 10.2~) , which needs libglapi-mesa (= 13.0.6-1+b2), but it says "but 18.2.8-2~bpo9+1 is to be installed"
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• 1582[13:13:11] <jelly> m1dnight_: you have some packages installed from stretch-backports already, and apt-get does not know how to gracefully deal with that. Use aptitude instead, or add -t stretch-backports to the command line but the latter might install more stuff from backports than is strictly needed
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• 1584[13:13:50] <m1dnight_> aha
• 1585[13:13:57] <m1dnight_> Yeah, I needed to install the nvidia-driver from backports
• 1586[13:15:12] <m1dnight_> ill give it a shot, thanks jelly
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• 1608[13:30:44] <mrig> Hello, well unplugging the usb ans reinserting did not seem to help. Still no install.
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• 1620[13:39:10] <AnAverageUser> hello
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• 1633[13:47:00] <AnAverageUser> Is there any debian chat server ?
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• 1746[14:44:29] <BCMM> i'm kind of impressed that it's possible to so bad at spamming that you kick yourself before you can get klined
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• 1758[14:50:09] <JolietJakeBlues> are there other reasons for spamming than annoying people and/or economic profit?
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• 1763[14:56:40] <m1dnight_> Relieving some form of frustration?
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• 1789[15:14:19] <debuser> hello, what create the .cache directory ?
• 1790[15:15:04] <greycat> the first thing that needs to create it
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• 1792[15:16:01] <greycat> if you need it, then that thing is you
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• 1795[15:17:18] <debuser> the issue i have, something create a .cache directory directly in /
• 1796[15:17:36] <greycat> was HOME set incorrectly at the time?
• 1797[15:17:48] <debuser> yes
• 1798[15:17:58] <debuser> how i can trace the issue?
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• 1800[15:18:32] <petn-randall> debuser: You can probably run fsnotify on /. However, I'd wonder what you're running as root in the first place.
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• 1804[15:19:47] <debuser> i don't know yet the condition for it's creation
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• 1808[15:21:08] <greycat> if you're asking "over the history of my computer's existence, what are all the events that could have led to this directory being created", we can't possibly tell you.
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• 1810[15:21:22] <greycat> if you don't want it here, delete it and get on with your life
• 1811[15:21:33] <wwilliam> hello i did this usermod -a -G wireshark wwilliam but when i log in as wwilliam and do id he is not part of the wireshark group, do i need to do anything else?
• 1812[15:21:36] <wwilliam> Thank you.
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• 1818[15:22:25] <dvs> wwilliam, adduser wireshark wwilliam
• 1819[15:22:34] <greycat> if you want to add a user to an existing group in Debian and you aren't comfortable just editing the /etc/group file by hand, the correct command is "adduser username groupname"
• 1820[15:22:40] <greycat> dvs: other way around
• 1821[15:22:48] <dvs> yup, just got that
• 1822[15:22:50] <wwilliam> Thanks greycat
• 1823[15:22:59] <dvs> hmp
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• 1825[15:23:30] <wwilliam> the user already exists also.
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• 1827[15:23:40] <greycat> Yes, I meant to imply that.
• 1828[15:23:53] <greycat> The man page for adduser has better formal language than I felt like typing out.
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• 1838[15:28:56] <debuser> greycat, i'll do more debugging tonight (i think the directory get created at each boot)
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• 1841[15:30:37] <greycat> OK, then you can start by looking through all of the stuff that YOU (or your fellow sys admins) added at boot time. Any customized local stuff, init.d script, systemd unit files, crontabs, rc.local and so on.
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• 1851[15:34:49] <debuser> will try the fsnotify thing
• 1852[15:35:57] <greycat> You have so many local boot things that you don't feel you can possibly review them all?!
• 1853[15:36:16] <greycat> You think it'll be easier to hack something *more* into the boot sequence?
• 1854[15:36:35] <tmroland> tried to apt install steam bt no go. no candidate found for package steam
• 1855[15:36:41] <tmroland> followed wiki instructions
• 1856[15:36:42] <greycat> !steam
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• 1858[15:36:42] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
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• 1861[15:37:21] <tmroland> E: Unable to locate package steam:i386
• 1862[15:37:27] <tmroland> did that already
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• 1864[15:37:58] <milkt> !nonfree
• 1865[15:37:58] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
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• 1867[15:38:16] <greycat> either you didn't enable multiarch correctly, or you didn't add non-free correctly, or both
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• 1875[15:41:36] <tmroland> root@localhost:/home/tmroland# dpkg --add-architecture i386
• 1876[15:41:42] <tmroland> thats ok i suppose
• 1877[15:42:19] <woenx> I have a question regarding ssh public and private keys. Let's say I give my public key to a server, so I can access it without a password (e.g. to run some script or check some stat)
• 1878[15:42:21] <greycat> setting your hostname to localhost is probably going to break something, sometime, but I don't know what
• 1879[15:42:37] <woenx> then, if my computer was hacked, the server would be at risk too, no?
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• 1882[15:42:54] <greycat> woenx: if your private key has a passphrase (which it should) then the attacker would need that passphrase as well as your private key fikle
• 1883[15:43:12] <woenx> greycat: no, it doesn't
• 1884[15:43:15] <greycat> if your private key does not have a passphrase, then you're correct
• 1885[15:43:22] <woenx> ok, that's what I thought
• 1886[15:43:30] <tmroland> deb replaced-url
• 1887[15:43:51] <woenx> greycat: but if I used a passphrase, I couldn't program (via cron) scripts to be run in another machine, right?
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• 1889[15:43:58] <woenx> (i mean remotely)
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• 1892[15:44:54] <BCMM> woenx: you can't have automated remote access without storing sufficient credentials to enable that remote access...
• 1893[15:45:12] <BCMM> (but you could maybe edit the crontab on the remote server)
• 1894[15:45:35] <greycat> tmroland: a sid user shouldn't have to ask these things. Seriously.
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• 1897[15:46:11] <woenx> basically, I have a scheduled weekly backup that connects to another remote device and performs the backup (via rsync) offsite. For that, I use passwordless ssh keys so it can be automated
• 1898[15:46:33] <tmroland> greycat no one should need to ask anything if documentation and instructions would work properly, which they don't , obviously. there is no error in that file or in what i did. yet the package still doesn't work.
• 1899[15:46:38] <woenx> but the thing is... if anyone has access to my computer (well, it's my NAS), then that person would also have access to my backup device, no?
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• 1901[15:47:00] <greycat> tmroland: *plonk*
• 1902[15:47:11] <milkt> ,v steam
• 1903[15:47:12] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
• 1904[15:47:42] <BCMM> tmroland: try #debian-next on oftc maybe
• 1905[15:47:43] <tmroland> yes, no package, same error here
• 1906[15:47:55] <tmroland> i installed steam before doing the same im doing now
• 1907[15:48:22] <greycat> It's funny how the documentation and instructions worked for everyone except him.
• 1908[15:48:43] <BCMM> greycat: come on, saying "you should already know the answer" on IRC is just plain unhelpful
• 1909[15:48:49] <greycat> He's using sid.
• 1910[15:48:58] <greycat> He should be able to edit a sources.list file without hand-holding.
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• 1913[15:49:40] <BCMM> tmroland: you've definitely done `apt update` since enabling non-free, right?
• 1914[15:50:15] <tmroland> greycat i see you are very late in reading, analyzing and processing information provided.
• 1915[15:50:29] <tmroland> i already did everything exactly according to instructions and it doesn't work , that's why i'm here
• 1916[15:50:45] <tmroland> assuming that the problem is a very basic one and it's my fault for having it is not the purpose of a help channel
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• 1918[15:51:05] <tmroland> BCMM ofcourse
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• 1920[15:51:28] <woenx> greycat: what' the benefit of using passphrased SSH keys intead of passwords?
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• 1924[15:52:30] <greycat> For starters, someone trying to falsify themselves as you needs both the key file AND the passphrase, not just the password. So it's two-factor authentication, which is one thing.
• 1925[15:52:54] <Fox> tmroland: sid is unstable, it's for advanced users that don't need explanations about the problem you're having
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• 1927[15:53:12] <BCMM> woenx: 1. now an attacker needs two pieces of information, which are stored separately, to take over the remote computer. 2. the key is effectively impossible to bruteforce, unlike any passphrase that isn't horribly cumbersome
• 1928[15:53:26] <woenx> greycat: BCMM: Ok, now I get it.
• 1929[15:53:32] <milkt> tmroland: try different mirror maybe?
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• 1931[15:54:47] <BCMM> tmroland: did you get any errors when trying to add i386?
• 1932[15:54:53] <BCMM> tmroland: and can you see any other i386 packages?
• 1933[15:54:57] <tmroland> none
• 1934[15:55:08] <greycat> Another thing: scripting stuff is immensely easier with passphrased keys, because you just use an ssh-agent and type the passphrase once, and the key is then available for scripts/programs to login securely from your session. You don't have to write some awful hack in expect(1) to feed the password to the server every time.
• 1935[15:55:13] <tmroland> only tried adding steam
• 1936[15:55:44] <karlpinc> woenx: (There's a whole slew of advantages to using keys. The remote end can disable password logins....)
• 1937[15:56:01] <woenx> karlpinc: that's true too
• 1938[15:56:25] <karlpinc> woenx: command= in authorized_keys is probably my favorite.
• 1939[15:56:38] <woenx> I was reading about that right now
• 1940[15:57:04] <woenx> So I could tell the remote machine to just accept some commands (like rsync) from my nas, right?
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• 1943[15:58:24] <karlpinc> woenx: Well, command= forces the running of a command. So you could run the daemon end of rsync listening on stdin, for instance, to have a key that only rsyncs. (I've done this but I forget how. It might involve "." in the rsync command line.)
• 1944[15:58:53] <woenx> Ok. I'll have to check it out
• 1945[15:59:08] <woenx> so by having passwordless ssh keys, the weakest link in the chain is always my computer
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• 1947[15:59:14] <karlpinc> woenx: rsync --server --daemon . (perhaps)
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• 1949[15:59:49] <karlpinc> woenx: Yes. Depending. (Sometimes I do rsync pulls instead of pushes, so the connection is initiated the other way around.)
• 1950[15:59:58] <woenx> aha
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• 1952[16:00:58] <woenx> what about using sshfs through ssh keys? (e.g. to mount a remote NAS in my computer automatically). The whole NAS would be vulnerable if something happens to my computer, right?
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• 1955[16:01:55] <BCMM> woenx: that depends on the capabilities that your user on the remote NAS has
• 1956[16:02:15] <BCMM> again, an attacker taking over your computer will have exactly the same access to remote machines that your computer has now
• 1957[16:02:33] <woenx> BCMM: well, it would only be limited by the user permissions in the remote machine
• 1958[16:02:35] <woenx> Ok
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• 1960[16:03:05] <BCMM> woenx: you can configure your remote user so it can't have a shell (sftp only), and you can use file and directory permissions to restrict which files and directories it can access
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• 1962[16:03:16] <woenx> aha, ok
• 1963[16:03:24] <karlpinc> I have a tendency to do things as root with rsync. On the side being copied I often need root permission to read everything. And on the receiving side I often want to keep uid and gid exactly as it is in the original. There's probably something I could do instead, but haven't paid attention.
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• 1965[16:03:29] <BCMM> but there's nothing magic about ssh keys - it's just an authentication method.
• 1966[16:03:30] <greycat> (sshfs uses sftp)
• 1967[16:03:55] <woenx> is it possible to check which hosts have access to a specific machine?
• 1968[16:03:57] <greycat> karlpinc: I do that too.
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• 1970[16:04:19] <woenx> karlpinc: yes, same as me. I use root for rsync, and preserve the uid and gid
• 1971[16:04:22] <greycat> access should not be based on "hosts" for most protocols. NFS is an exception, because it's old.
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• 1973[16:05:08] <woenx> greycat: well, yes, I meant in that specific case. NFS does not work in remote connections (unless you use a VPN or similar)
• 1974[16:05:45] <greycat> What specific case are you talking about, and why are "hosts" involved in the decision?
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• 1976[16:06:21] <woenx> doing a backup to a remote location
• 1977[16:06:26] <BCMM> woenx: you can restrict which IPs can connect in sshd_config. but there's no way for the server to know who has a copy of the key, if that's what you mean
• 1978[16:06:34] <woenx> ok, that's what I meant
• 1979[16:06:41] <BCMM> woenx: the private key really is just a file, that can be readily shared out-of-band if you want to
• 1980[16:06:47] <bashes5> Anyone have good resources for deploying zfs on a debian home server?
• 1981[16:07:06] <woenx> BCMM: so what if I suspect a private key has been compromised? what should I do?
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• 1983[16:07:22] <woenx> is there any way to revoke access to all previous ssh keys?
• 1984[16:07:24] <BCMM> woenx: you should remove the corresponding public key from authorized_keys
• 1985[16:07:46] <BCMM> woenx: and then generate a new one, once you've worked out how to stop that one getting leaked too
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• 1987[16:08:09] <greycat> authorized_keys is just a text file. you can delete keys (lines) from it at will.
• 1988[16:08:10] <woenx> BCMM: ok
• 1989[16:08:20] <BCMM> woenx: ssh keys are generated in pairs, see replaced-url
• 1990[16:08:25] <woenx> so just removing them from .ssh/authoorized_keys
• 1991[16:08:25] <karlpinc> bashes5: I think if you enable contrib, or non-free, you can just install the zfs package. You might want to install a minimal debian to do that, and then migrate. Or do it running a live boot, etc. etc.
• 1992[16:08:48] <BCMM> woenx: yup. authorized_keys is just a serious of public keys with line-breaks in between
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• 1994[16:09:02] <woenx> ok
• 1995[16:09:03] <BCMM> woenx: any private key that matches a public key in authorized_keys can be used to log in
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• 1998[16:09:28] <karlpinc> bashes: That's just a thought. I've not tried it.
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• 2002[16:10:33] <karlpinc> bashes: (IIRC, the trouble with zfs is that it's non-free. The licence requires that the end-user compile it. So that's what the package does.)
• 2003[16:10:48] <BCMM> karlpinc: it's not non-free as such. just not gpl-compatible
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• 2005[16:11:17] <bashes> What file systems do you use for a debian server?
• 2006[16:11:18] <BCMM> you can't distribute cddl binaries linked to gpl binaries
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• 2008[16:11:30] <bashes> I'm completely new and trying to weigh out options
• 2009[16:11:34] <BCMM> bashes: ext4 still feels like the most trustworth solution to me
• 2010[16:11:35] <woenx> ok. So a related question. I have a script that connects to several raspberry pi at home, runs some commands, and records stats (cpu, ram usage, uptime, etc. for Grafana). The best way to "secure" that access would be limiting the commands that the computer can run on these raspberryes, right?
• 2011[16:11:41] <karlpinc> BCMM: Ah, right. So it's just not compatible with Linux's licence.
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• 2013[16:12:22] <greycat> woenx: a better model would be for each of those pi boxes to initiate a connection and send you the information. That could be done with ssh, or with email, or with a specific TCP service that you create....
• 2014[16:12:31] <BCMM> bashes: i mean it doesn't do any of the fancy features like snapshots that you can do with zfs and btrfs, but i guess if you're asking an open-ended question about filesystems, you're not using those?
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• 2016[16:12:42] <BCMM> bashes: and it's extremely well-supported and well-tested
• 2017[16:12:59] <woenx> greycat: well, I think that MQTT would be ideal for this
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• 2019[16:13:08] <woenx> (I already use it for some sensors)
• 2020[16:14:07] <BCMM> karlpinc: yeah. so it can't be shipped with the linux sources, or shipped in binary linux kernels.
• 2021[16:14:21] <Psi-Jack> Mmmm, MQTT can be nice.
• 2022[16:14:26] <BCMM> karlpinc: but compiling it locally isn't a huge deal, since there's a dkms package in contrib
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• 2027[16:16:04] <woenx> Well, thanks everyone, that's all I wanted to know!|
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• 2040[16:23:52] <Psi-Jack> But, hmm... using MQTT for stats like CPU, memory, etc... Seems ... Silly, to me.
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• 2044[16:24:24] <greycat> it's what SNTMP was built for, probably, but I never learned that
• 2045[16:24:59] <Psi-Jack> snmp, you mean. That's one way, or another way is a special monitoring agent like zabbix-agent, or node_exporter (prometheus), etc is for.
• 2046[16:25:06] <greycat> yes
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• 2048[16:25:15] <greycat> I have no idea where that T came from
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• 2050[16:25:27] <Psi-Jack> It came from your misplaced fingers. :)
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• 2054[16:27:03] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I finally got all my LXC containers migrated back to VMs this weekend, and been re-implementing monitoring back with Prometheus. So I'm happy. Lot more reliable.
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• 2066[16:34:25] <wwilliam> is there a way to get pictures from an iphoneX to Debian?
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• 2068[16:34:46] <rpifan> why does a ppa not auto import the pub key on debian
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• 2074[16:36:35] <nkuttler> !ppa
• 2075[16:36:35] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
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• 2079[16:37:06] <rpifan> well this package only comes in a ppa
• 2080[16:37:10] <rpifan> several of them do in fact
• 2081[16:37:18] <greycat> because if it could "auto import a key" that key would not be useful
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• 2083[16:38:00] <rpifan> well i run the command by hand what difference does it make
• 2084[16:38:11] <greycat> then it's not "auto", is it
• 2085[16:38:21] <rpifan> Debian users also can install Papirus from our PPA, but the commands will differ:
• 2086[16:38:38] <rpifan> but its stupid, the key still goes through the same gpg server
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• 2089[16:39:21] <greycat> You need to tell apt that you TRUST this key. Otherwise there's no point.
• 2090[16:40:23] <rpifan> i trust all keys
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• 2092[16:40:25] <rpifan> from everyone
• 2093[16:40:32] <rpifan> id like to enable that
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• 2096[16:40:45] <themill> umm, no.
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• 2098[16:43:09] <rpifan> it makes no difference
• 2099[16:43:13] <rpifan> paranoid for no reason
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• 2101[16:44:09] <themill> has 3 decades of computer virus transmitted by untrusted file transfer taught us nothing?
• 2102[16:44:24] <greycat> yes.
• 2103[16:44:45] <dvs> what's a virus?
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• 2105[16:45:21] <greycat> in any case, look at apt.conf(5) and search for Insecure
• 2106[16:45:32] <rpifan> i like my apt like i like my sex bareback
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• 2142[17:06:12] <wrksx> hey, how can I easily find out what 'command' a systemd service accept?
• 2143[17:06:40] <greycat> systemctl {stop|start|disable|enable|...} servicenmae
• 2144[17:06:46] <greycat> man systemctl for a full list
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• 2146[17:07:05] <wrksx> but I mean, are all services accepting all commands?
• 2147[17:07:18] <wrksx> I would like to know if vsftp supports some kind of reload command
• 2148[17:07:24] <greycat> Do you mean, "what does this service DO?" That would be documented in the individual service's documentation.
• 2149[17:07:59] <greycat> You seem to be confused between "what systemctl accepts
• 2150[17:08:10] <greycat> and "what the service does/accepts on its TCP ports".
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• 2153[17:08:43] <wrksx> I want to type "systemctl reload vsftp"
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• 2158[17:09:02] <wrksx> but that outputs nothing
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• 2162[17:10:20] <greycat> it's not supposed to. systemctl just sends a signal (or whatever) to systemd.
• 2163[17:10:36] <greycat> use "systemctl status vsftpd" to see what the current status is, when the process started, the last things it logged, etc.
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• 2165[17:11:23] <wrksx> The man systemctl says Reload: Asks all units listed on the command line to reload their configuration.
• 2166[17:11:38] <wrksx> That's exactly what I wanna do with vsftpd
• 2167[17:11:48] <greycat> check 'status' and see if it logged something like "re-reading my config"
• 2168[17:12:02] <wrksx> but based on what you said I understand it's not systemctl responsability
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• 2171[17:12:35] <wrksx> It says reloading then reloaded
• 2172[17:12:40] <wwilliam> So I can not transfer from IphoneX to Stretch?
• 2173[17:12:42] <greycat> If you COMPLETELY REFUSE to use systemctl status, then go to the /lib/systemd/system directory and grep for ExecReload= in the vsftpd unit file.
• 2174[17:13:14] <wrksx> greycat: sorry I was a bit slow that's all
• 2175[17:13:27] <wrksx> greycat: still I'll have a look at /lib/systemd/system
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• 2179[17:14:39] <wrksx> okay so it kill -HUP
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• 2181[17:14:47] <wrksx> ty greycat
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• 2187[17:15:59] <greycat> it's funny that systemd seems to require forking /bin/kill just to send a HUP signal instead of offering it as builtin functionality
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• 2189[17:17:06] <wrksx> I have no clue what effect the HUP signal has on vsftpd
• 2190[17:17:19] <greycat> man vsftpd
• 2191[17:17:35] <wrksx> tried without any luck, looked for "HUP"
• 2192[17:17:37] <greycat> It's an extremely common convention for unix daemons that HUP means "reread config".
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• 2195[17:18:34] <wrksx> Seems like vsftp doesn't do that
• 2196[17:18:35] <greycat> but it's weird that it's not in the man page
• 2197[17:18:37] <wrksx> too bad
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• 2200[17:18:53] <wrksx> I just tried it while changing the config, it's not updated
• 2201[17:19:05] <wrksx> probably the reason why it's not in the man =)
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• 2204[17:19:49] <greycat> That's a weird omission.
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• 2227[17:33:14] <greycat> Is there a way I can see the vsftpd.service file online without downloading and extracting it from the .deb?
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• 2230[17:33:50] <Elon_Satoshi> Will zathura-pdf-mupdf ever be available for zathura?
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• 2233[17:34:23] <Elon_Satoshi> s/for zathura/for debian
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• 2235[17:34:33] <petn-randall> greycat: You could check the packaging repo from vsftpd, if it's on salsa / gitlab you can view it online.
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• 2237[17:35:02] <greycat> "VCS: unknown" on tracker
• 2238[17:35:09] <greycat> good idea though
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• 2240[17:36:28] <petn-randall> greycat: Or grab the source via apt-get source vsftpd`. That's the complete tarball, though.
• 2241[17:36:38] <DLange> greycat: replaced-url
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• 2243[17:37:18] <greycat> DLange: thanks
• 2244[17:37:27] <DLange> any time
• 2245[17:37:33] <greycat> OK, so replaced-url
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• 2247[17:37:46] <greycat> If HUP doesn't actually *do* anything to this daemon, I'd think that's a bug in the service file.
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• 2254[17:41:22] <petn-randall> Ah right, sources.d.o is a thing, too! Nice!
• 2255[17:41:26] <greycat> (on the other hand, if HUP *does* work with this daemon, the man page could use some additions)
• 2256[17:41:31] <tony`> hi
• 2257[17:41:56] <DLange> my vsftpd seems pretty un-impressed when HUP'ing it
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• 2265[17:43:57] <Janni> Hello. I have a question... Does anyone know a way to change the mouse cursor temporarily into a BIG crosshair? What I mean by that are a horizontal and a vertical line spanning the whole screen, indicating where the cursor is.
• 2266[17:44:16] <Janni> (on Xorg, obviously).
• 2267[17:44:53] <jelly> kde used to have ways of showing where the cursor was, but they looked different than that
• 2268[17:44:54] <DLange> greycat: ./standalone.c:static void handle_sighup(void* duff); in vsftpd-3.0.3
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• 2272[17:46:16] <jelly> duff and his engine
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• 2274[17:46:39] <DLange> Janni: I actually have a script for that in my XPS13 because of its insane screen resolution
• 2275[17:46:41] <greycat> looks like it tries to load the config file...?
• 2276[17:46:42] <Janni> jelly: I want to use it to help me read some files (in various contexts) with indentation.
• 2277[17:47:10] <saskwach> I'm trying to cross compile something with CMake, and can't figure out how to tell it that I have the target's libraries installed on my system. My toolchain file has
• 2278[17:47:10] <Janni> DLange: What is the script based on?
• 2279[17:47:13] <saskwach> SET(CMAKE_SYSTEM_NAME Linux)
• 2280[17:47:13] <saskwach> SET(CMAKE_SYSTEM_PROCESSOR armhf)
• 2281[17:47:22] <DLange> ah, won't do that, just helps to find the mouse cursor
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• 2283[17:47:39] <saskwach> Anyone know how to tell it where to find, for example, libssl?
• 2284[17:47:50] <saskwach> er, libcrypto
• 2285[17:49:08] <greycat> wrksx: anyway... if HUP (or systemctl reload which does a HUP) is not having any effect, you should file a bug report. It looks like it's supposed to work.
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• 2291[17:53:45] <markovski> guys how to install the ffmpeg codecs for opera-stable?
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• 2296[17:55:07] <mrig> hello, net install has worked. Will store the dvd as a backup form now on I think, rather than the live cd, I suspect that my locality could be the cause. Not in any way sure of that though.
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• 2298[17:55:46] <markovski> ?
• 2299[17:56:18] <dvs> mrig, at least you only have to install from DVD once.
• 2300[17:57:07] <mrig> dvs, I am working up to that level, still have a habit of going to a new install when I don't know what is causing an issue.
• 2301[17:57:39] <mrig> dvs: really nice to know that you do not depend upon an internet connection to install software.
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• 2303[17:58:26] <mrig> I am back with gnome again, no doubt about it, I really like it, the colour profiling is awesome.
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• 2305[17:58:38] <dvs> O_O
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• 2307[17:59:21] <mrig> Is that a reel to reel recorder or a look of surprise?
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• 2314[18:01:11] <mrig> I should try a session of switching GUI environments without reinstalling the base as a learning experience, seems that there is quite a difference between gnome and xfce when it comes to the user configuration of the GUI user profile.
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• 2317[18:02:39] <dvs> mrig, you definitely dont have to reinstall to change GNU environment
• 2318[18:02:50] <mrig> Would really like to learn how to track down the cause of this glitch though, comes with time and experience I suppose.
• 2319[18:03:30] <mrig> dvs comes from being dependant on the live usb sticks I think, need to shake the habit.
• 2320[18:04:02] <mrig> I used a net advanced install, all seems quite familiar now, so no excuses.
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• 2324[18:05:16] <mrig> curious thing, the chromium colour is awful in gnome, and mozilla is excellent, less noticeable in xfce.
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• 2326[18:05:44] <mrig> I think gnome must have a wider color profile than xfce, speculation though.
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• 2329[18:06:09] <mrig> else it is mapping very differently.
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• 2337[18:09:08] <mrig> I had a question in the advanced install that I did not really understand, I would appreciate some clarification on; `Force grub to the EFI removable media path`. This was the default setting, I was wondering if there was any security benefit forsaken by doing this?
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• 2340[18:10:19] <dvs> mrig, I had to select that option in order to do the EFI install
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• 2343[18:10:56] <mrig> right so it is sometimes an obligation, yes it mentions that the alternative can be buggy.
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• 2345[18:11:46] <mrig> I used it but do not know if I had to or not, will experiment if I do need to install again. Intruiged to know if it is better protection if it is not done?
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• 2368[18:22:57] <Synaptic> is that possible to install debian on virtualbox, if the virtualbox is on a VPS??
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• 2371[18:23:08] <Synaptic> i can reach only the installation screen.... then... all black
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• 2376[18:24:06] <RoyK> Synaptic: duuno about vbox, but with kvm I guess it should work, just by re-exporting the cpu flags needed
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• 2379[18:25:25] <RoyK> Synaptic: btw, why would you want to virtualise on a virtualised platform? using lxc will probably be far more efficient, although it won't have its own kernel
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• 2393[18:32:53] <Synaptic> RoyK because its a windows vps that i ned for some job.... but i need also a linux shell
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• 2396[18:33:12] <Synaptic> so what you suggest me to do?
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• 2399[18:33:55] <greycat> two separate VPSes?
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• 2404[18:34:50] <annadane> does crontab -e support aliases?
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• 2407[18:35:28] <greycat> I wouldn't care to risk it.
• 2408[18:35:50] <greycat> It'll depend on which shell cron is using to parse the lines, and which mode that shell is operating in.
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• 2410[18:36:13] <annadane> yeah i think i'll just not be lazy and standardize it instead.
• 2411[18:38:12] <bashes> How do you go about backing up a ext4 filesystem on a debian server?
• 2412[18:38:34] <Synaptic> greycat no to separate vps.... i have a vps hosted... i want to create a vps inside a vps
• 2413[18:38:53] <Synaptic> i will try now with vpware
• 2414[18:38:57] <Synaptic> vmware
• 2415[18:39:02] <greycat> I wasn't asking what you have now. I was proposing that as a solution.
• 2416[18:39:15] <Synaptic> ah ok no but i cannot fit that
• 2417[18:39:21] <Synaptic> i dont host the first vps
• 2418[18:39:41] <greycat> that's not relevant
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• 2420[18:40:01] <greycat> The question is just "can I afford the monthly charges of a second VPS or will that exceed my budget"
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• 2428[18:46:01] <jelly> Synaptic: which windows version on the host?
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• 2430[18:46:20] <jelly> well, vps-pretending-to-possibly-become-host
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• 2433[18:47:38] <Synaptic> server 2006
• 2434[18:47:43] <jelly> Synaptic: if you 1) just need a shell and 2) do not care about performance a lot and 3) can live with serious limitations in socket api and 4) have a windows 10, try WSL
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• 2436[18:47:54] <jelly> 2016?
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• 2439[18:48:04] <jelly> no such thing as windows server 2006
• 2440[18:48:32] <Synaptic> 2016 sry
• 2441[18:48:33] <jelly> or use cygwin
• 2442[18:48:44] <Synaptic> i will try now with vmware
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• 2447[18:51:14] <jelly> ability to use nested virtualization usually comes with a price tag
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• 2592[20:14:34] <spacedust> hi, could anyone give me a link the adb+fastbook package ?
• 2593[20:14:56] <tom_work> you mean fastboot?
• 2594[20:15:21] <spacedust> lol that writing :)
• 2595[20:15:30] <spacedust> hi, could anyone give me a link to the adb+fastboot package ?
• 2596[20:15:47] <petn-randall> spacedust: They're literally called "adb" and "fastboot".
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• 2598[20:16:07] <spacedust> but im not on debian right now but i would still like to download and try them
• 2599[20:16:07] <tom_work> spacedust, apt install adb fastboot
• 2600[20:16:26] <tom_work> spacedust, you can download them from packages.debian.org
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• 2603[20:16:56] <spacedust> replaced-url
• 2604[20:17:06] <spacedust> replaced-url
• 2605[20:17:18] <spacedust> ah loads of deps :)
• 2606[20:18:10] <spacedust> i am using gentoo right now, and android-tools package wants to download go , which is 600mb, not sure why would i need go for adb + fastboot :)
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• 2608[20:18:22] <spacedust> so was thinking maybe i can make the debian packages work on it :D
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• 2613[20:21:59] <petn-randall> That won't work. You're better off installing from sources than trying to get Debian packages work on Gentoo.
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• 2617[20:24:25] <spacedust> yeah petn-randall i figured, its just it need go to build ... which is 600mb big ... and i dont want go
• 2618[20:24:34] <spacedust> fsck go :)
• 2619[20:24:39] * petn-randall shrugs.
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• 2641[20:34:36] <uniqdom> how can I reconfigure mysql-server package? I need to get rid of all misconfigs that I have done. I don't care about the databases or users that i had created
• 2642[20:34:54] <uniqdom> apt purge mysql-server; apt install mysql-server ??
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• 2645[20:35:22] <greycat> you'll need to purge the actual server package, not the meta package
• 2646[20:35:30] <uniqdom> i see
• 2647[20:35:34] <uniqdom> thanks :)
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• 2649[20:35:54] <petn-randall> uniqdom: `dpkg-reconfigure -plow <packagename>`
• 2650[20:35:56] <greycat> I'm not sure if it's mariadb-server-core-10.1 or mariadb-server-10.1 ... hell, just do 'em both
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• 2682[20:59:20] <milkt> is it completely safe to pause "dd" or "rsync" or "ffmpeg" etc with ctrl+z and resume it later? or should i better avoid to pause jobs often?
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• 2691[21:02:11] <Akuw> hi, i am trying to copy using scp -P 38752 user@domain.com:home/user/file.tar
• 2692[21:02:31] <Akuw> but command show me usage options
• 2693[21:02:40] <nkuttler> no target
• 2694[21:02:41] <greycat> milkt: depends on too many factors to give a single answer. You gave three incredibly DIFFERENT commands, and you gave no indication what kind of devices the dd is operating on.
• 2695[21:03:06] <petn-randall> Akuw: Read them closely.
• 2696[21:03:32] <Akuw> damm .
• 2697[21:03:34] <greycat> for rsync the most likely source of problems would be "after x minutes of inactivity, the connection to the remote host is lost because my NAT times out"
• 2698[21:03:36] <Akuw> all is ok now
• 2699[21:03:57] <greycat> there are workarounds for that, and they're the same ones you use for regular interactive ssh sessions
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• 2702[21:06:07] <milkt> greycat: sorry, i meant just some non-interactive local file manipulation without networking
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• 2704[21:06:39] <greycat> well, your local system probably won't complain that you're doing nothing, unless you're talking to some exotic device
• 2705[21:06:40] <petn-randall> It was missing the dot. :)
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• 2930[23:19:26] <z3r0_r00t> hi
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• 2939[23:23:36] <z3r0_r00t> hi
• 2940[23:23:37] <z3r0_r00t> !
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• 2953[23:28:29] <_2E0LNX> Hi z3r0_r00t...
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• 2964[23:32:04] <z3r0_r00t> i need to know about this exploit
• 2965[23:32:19] <z3r0_r00t> windows/nuuo/nuuo_cms_sqli
• 2966[23:32:37] <z3r0_r00t> msfconsole
• 2967[23:32:38] <jmcnaught> z3r0_r00t: we don't do that here
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• 2972[23:34:01] <dvs> we can solve it: install Debian!
• 2973[23:34:01] <z3r0_r00t> why ?!
• 2974[23:34:25] <z3r0_r00t> kali linux is my os
• 2975[23:34:34] <jmcnaught> !kali
• 2976[23:34:34] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 2979[23:34:59] <jmcnaught> z3r0_r00t: try #kali-linux ^^
• 2980[23:35:13] <z3r0_r00t> oh yeah sure
• 2981[23:35:19] <annadane> !whynotpentesting
• 2982[23:35:19] <dpkg> For some reasons why Kali/Parrot/Other based-on-Debian penetration testing distributions shouldn't be used as a home desktop, see replaced-url
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• 2984[23:35:24] <enowaldo> Upgraded from jessie to stretch, Xorg doesn't start, ask here or elsewhere?
• 2985[23:35:27] <z3r0_r00t> thanks for your time anyone
• 2986[23:35:30] <annadane> here, enowaldo
• 2987[23:35:47] <enowaldo> annadane: I've got a /var/log/Xorg.0.log to paste, where should that go?
• 2988[23:35:52] <annadane> paste.debian.net
• 2989[23:35:56] <enowaldo> annadane: Tx.
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• 2994[23:38:05] <enowaldo> annadane: Here: replaced-url
• 2995[23:38:42] <enowaldo> Xorg segfaults on startup with: [ 47.649] (EE) modeset(0): glGetString() returned NULL, your GL is broken
• 2996[23:39:01] <enowaldo> 4.6.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.6.4-1 (2016-07-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 2997[23:39:07] <enowaldo> Thinkpad T520
• 2998[23:40:01] <annadane> that's neither a jessie nor a stretch kernel
• 2999[23:40:21] <enowaldo> annadane: Too new or old? It's freshly installed.
• 3000[23:40:26] <enowaldo> annadane: I can update that if needs be.
• 3001[23:40:33] <annadane> for stretch, too old, stretch uses 4.9
• 3002[23:40:47] <annadane> not certain, of course, that the kernel is the source of your problems or not
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• 3004[23:41:14] <annadane> jessie uses 3.16 so it's strange you have that one
• 3005[23:41:21] <enowaldo> annadane: I'll see if I can't update that.
• 3006[23:41:43] <enowaldo> annadane: ... as it may impact other bits. And yes, I did update the kernel during the upgrade. System's been offline a few years.
• 3007[23:42:22] <enowaldo> hrm. I'm finding 4.19 in aptitude...
• 3008[23:42:34] <enowaldo> and 4.9
• 3009[23:42:43] <annadane> 4.19 is in stretch-backports, you likely have that in your sources list
• 3010[23:42:47] <annadane> ,kernels
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• 3012[23:42:48] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-5-686-pae (4.19.37-1); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 3013[23:42:49] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
• 3014[23:43:48] <enowaldo> Hrm, strange...
• 3015[23:44:42] <annadane> someone else can probably answer this better than i can, i'm not completely aware of your problems
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• 3018[23:45:18] <enowaldo> annadane: NP. And I've got a 4.19 installed, just ... not booted, for some reason. I'll go kick at grub a bit.
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• 3020[23:45:54] <enowaldo> BBIAM, rebooting
• 3021[23:46:02] <annadane> enowaldo, did you read the release notes btw?
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• 3045[23:58:27] <enowaldo> So ... what happened to update-grub?
• 3046[23:59:23] <annadane> you probably need to be more specific
• 3047[23:59:40] <annadane> also, i was asking before you rebooted... did you follow the release notes?
• 3048[23:59:46] <enowaldo> I thought there was a command "update-grub", for re-generating Debian grub configs. I don't find it now.
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